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Speaker 1: S What up everybody?

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Speaker 2: Paul Abernetti here, Welcome to another episode of Let's Ask Paul,

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sponsored by Master the NEC Electoral Code Academy, and we've

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got a great question or two today on this episode.

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But but first and foremost, I just want to let

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everybody out there know that sorry for about a week.

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We've been down and I made tons of promises about

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upcoming content and things that we'll be doing, and that's

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all gonna take place here very rapidly. But I just

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wanted to give everybody update. We have officially moved from

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Texas to Virginia. We are here in Virginia. The corporation

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has officially been moved. It's dissolved in Texas and reborn

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again in Virginia, which is which is where I'm from,

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for those that have always asked, I grew up here

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in central Virginia, the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains

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my whole life.

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Speaker 1: And then we ended.

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Speaker 2: Up in Texas and spent ten great years, almost eleven

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great years in Texas. Wonderful state, wonderful governor, Governor Abbott,

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and uh and it just life does what it does

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to people, and we just we're back here in uh

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in Virginia, So we are excited about it. We were

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out in the country, we're away from all the hustle

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and bustle, but we're really close two large areas like

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Richmond area, and so obviously we're going to get back

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into doing our seminars locally all throughout Virginia, hit the

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Four Corners Manassas. We'll also hit Virginia Beach area, we'll

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hit Roanoke area, and of course all those in between.

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So look for that to come shortly. When we start

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doing those live continuing education courses. I'm probably gonna be

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a little more expensive than the online stuff, but that

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means you get me in person, and there's nothing like

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attending a live seminar. So we're excited. We're gonna get

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that all kicked off again in the next couple months.

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We'll get that part of it. We still got a

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lot of stuff on the ground. We got to get

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running the studios up and running podcast. Location is still

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being worked on here a little bit, but we'll get

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it all squared away. We want to thank everybody that

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supported us during this transition and all of those students

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that have been patient in this last week while we

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moved from Texas to Virginia, so I'd be appreciate that

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and all your patients and taking letting us get that done.

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So anyway, that's out of the way. So again move

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is successful. We finally got all settled in, so we're

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good to go.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: So what we're gonna talk about to day is I got

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some questions that were submitted, and of course I've got

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tons of questions, but we're trying to take these in

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certain order in a bunch of upcoming episodes.

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Speaker 1: So let me try to dive right in.

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Speaker 2: So okay, So the first question that we have, says

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Hi Paul, I have a question regarding EV branch circuits.

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Says I have a customer who is wanting to add

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a receptacle for an EV charger. He states that he

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doesn't want to add any more circuits to his electrical

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panel because of fear of overloading his electrical service. Okay, well,

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I have some questions about that, but let me keep on.

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He says he had a low calculate performed by another

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electrical company and they told him he was already using

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two hundred and nine amps on a two hundred amp service. Hmmm, Well,

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first of all, dude, if you're actually pulling two hundred

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nine amps on a two hundred amp service, you'd have

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a problem.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you'd be tripping a two hundred a breaker. I'm

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just saying.

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Speaker 2: So basically, they did a calculation. It's very rare for

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a two hundred amp for a dwelling that has originally

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installed a two hundred amp service that typically you're only

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going to be loading half of that or a little

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more than half, So it's rare. So that sounds like

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a low calcuation. Now, if they did the load calculation

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and it came at at two hundred nine amps, then

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the two hundred amp service would be too small. And

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so either somebody originally didn't do it properly, or this

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guy's been adding stuff along the way, or the electrician

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or whoever did the load calculation and provide I did

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this stuff to this individual that's asking.

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Speaker 1: Me the question.

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Speaker 2: You have to question the first electrician in how they

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did their calculation and whether or not they use the

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standard or optional method and all that, because it just

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seems odd that they would do a calcun come up

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with two hundred and nine and then two hundred hath

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service beIN unless again, the guy's been adding all kinds

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of bookoo stuff that type of thing. So my first

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recommendation is you redo the calculation using the optional method,

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go through, tell them that you have to take a list.

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Speaker 1: It's a little more charge for it.

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Speaker 2: Make sure you charge for it, and go through and

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do a calculation to double check that first of all.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right.

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Speaker 2: Next he goes on to say, the customer is wanting

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to use an existing thirty amp two hundred and forty

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volt dryer circuit and install a double throw safety switch

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to switch power from the dryer receptacle to the evy

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charger receptacle when needed. Article six of the twenty twenty

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EC states that ev charging outlets shall.

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Speaker 1: Be on a dedicated circuit.

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Speaker 2: Now it actually says that they have to be on

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an individual brand circuit. Years ago it used to say,

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you know, dedicated whatever. Now it says individual brand circuit.

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Speaker 1: That's what it is.

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Speaker 2: It's an individual brand circuit that supplies only one piece

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of utilization equipment in the nature of the circuit. So

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if you go look up the definition of individual brand circuit,

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right and you start looking it up, it's going to

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say it's a brand circuit that applies only one utilization equipment. Now,

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in my opinion, whether or not you throw a switch

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in there and you're doing the dryer one time and

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you're doing the EV the other time, I think he

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gets into semantics and it's not the intent of the code.

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I think that it's that the only thing to be

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on that circuit is an individual brand circuit is an EV.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 2: The other things that brings into question with this would be,

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you know, thirty ahs to tally for an EV charger

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that didn't put you up in the benefit of a

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level two charging.

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Speaker 1: That that's it's higher than.

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Speaker 2: A level one, but it's just you know, it's not

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up there in the level two range where it's forty

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eight amps or whatnot. So you get that adequate charging.

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going to charge it an adequate time dropping it down

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to thirty amps. But that's the other thing you got

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to be aware of. Can your EV SSE be geared

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back and turned back, because again you have to treat

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those EV circuits as continuous loads at one hundred and

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twenty five percent, and so again, if it was forty

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eight amps of output of the ev then it's going

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to equate to sixty amps. So at the end of

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the day, it's still on a thirty. So assuming you

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could dial it back and change the settings in many

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of the ev ses you can in order to do that,

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it's still in my opinion, doesn't get you out of

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the fact that the definition of an individual brand circuit

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is only one piece utilization equipment. Now, even though there's

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a switch on there at any given time, there is

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technically only one piece of equipment on it. It's asking

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for the EVS to have a individual brand circuit specific

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for it. So if you put the receptacle in okay,

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which is again the point where you're taking power from

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the system, is also an outlet, and so it says

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Speaker 1: That's what it says in six twenty five forty.

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Speaker 2: So it's my opinion that you know, throwing the switcher

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will it work?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely? It probably will provide it.

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Speaker 2: Again, you gear that EVS back so it doesn't overload

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those conductors, and you know what, you really will be

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dropping it back when you start looking at those evs

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and then you're taking the EV's value from its nameplate

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at one hundred and twenty five percent and realize that

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you're stuck with the thirty.

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Speaker 1: It's probably going to do them no better that they

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Speaker 2: A plain old EVY you know, class one and plug

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it in fifteen amps and just charge it that way,

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be honest with you versus the hassle.

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Speaker 1: That's my first opinion on that.

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Speaker 2: Anyway it goes on, say, technically each receptacle to be

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on it be on a dedicated circuit since only one

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can be energized with the safety switch. That is true statement,

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but I do not think that is the intent of

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six twenty five dot forty. Now there's a difference between

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whether you're getting something inspected or you're just doing it.

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Speaker 1: But let me put it this way.

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Speaker 2: If you do the EVC and you don't have the

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ability to gear that thing or turn that thing back

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or make sure that the homeowner can't change it, then

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you're not gonna still gonna get the benefit of a

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faster charge, which is a whole reason for a level

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two type charger. So they're still gonna get frustrated and

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it's not going to charge in the timeframe they wanted.

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because sometimes get pushed into maybe doing things that the

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customer wants, you know, that type of thing.

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Speaker 1: It's like the suicide cord.

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Speaker 2: When somebody wants to plug a generator and put in

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the back you know, run it backfeeded into a dryer.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're like, hey, well it works.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it does, but it doesn't make it right

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for the nec aspect of it.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: So therefore, the brand circuit that is designed for that

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EVS must be dedicated okay, to that ev and not

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supply other loads.

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Speaker 1: That is that is my opinion on this.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that others may disagree with that. You go

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on to say any help would be greatly appreciated. Love

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your podcast, keep up the great work. Well, I hope

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you love it. Even after I gave you this information.

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I'm sure people will agree to disagree with me. But

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I believe that that's the intent of six twenty five forty,

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is that that that individual brand circuit is specifically to

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be run for that EVS when you put an EVS in.

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going to have to run the circuit that the individual

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brand circuit for that EVSSE and in the twenty twenty

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three code even for the calculation, it's seventy two hundred

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watts that you have to take any consideration as a

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minimum for your localc Okay, if you're going to put

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an e VSC.

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Speaker 1: In, so.

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Speaker 2: Practically what I mean technically I should say, technically will

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're only switching one and switching one to

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the other, it's basically transferring it one to the other.

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Speaker 1: That's fine. You do have a concern with the conductor size.

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Speaker 2: You do have to could be concerned with the EV's

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output and treating it as a continuous load, which you

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don't do with a dryer application. So there's things that

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you have to consider rather than just say, hey, let's

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throw the switch in and we can switch one to

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the other and it technically will work. But then you

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might be limiting what you're going to get out of

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that ev s E. You might be limiting it and

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ultimately that ends up pissing out the customer. Now, what

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I would probably ask to do that calculation again and

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there might be a way to clear up some space

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in that pannable. When they say they're worried about overloading,

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I mean if they truly believe they have two hundred

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and nine amps through a calculation on a two and

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amp service, that should be a bigger concern for them.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So again it's all about diversity as well. So that's

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two hundred nine amps is a calculation. I recommend that

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you redo the calculation you use the optional method because

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most homes that have a two hundred AM service using

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the optional method, they're usually well below that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's my recommendation.

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Speaker 2: Probably not helpful, but that's the best that I'm going

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Speaker 1: But I again summarize it.

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Speaker 2: I do believe that the individual brand circuit that's required

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by six twenty five forty needs to only supply the EVS.

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Now you do you you do whatever they want, but

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if you end up doing it, make sure that you

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know that that EVSE is not going to exceed the

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rating of those conductors and the overcurrent that's supplying it.

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Speaker 1: Just be careful with that.

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Speaker 2: If you proceed with that, because they're just thinking about

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supplying the ev they're not thinking about the other ramifications

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from the ratings of the EVS, the settings on it,

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whether you've got to dial it back, because again level

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two is designed to give you a really fast charge rate,

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not obviously not the same as a level three DC,

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but it's very fast, you know, six seven, eight hours,

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depending on the unit in what your amps are. That

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you got to be careful because even at that thirty

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amp circuit for that dryer, then you're really going to

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be dropping it down beyond that when it comes to

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the rating that you dial into that at ev S

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C and you ultimately are not going to get much

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over what a level one would give them. And then

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that they can just plug into any receptacle. So thanks

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to think about. Hopefully that helps you out a little bit. Okay,

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so let's see, let's move on to another question. So

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another question we have here was submitted that says where

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is it legal for electricians to run SCR, which is

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service entrance rated or service entrance round distinguish Its distinguishes

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it from SEU, which is typically the two conductors in

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the helical wrap that goes from the weatherhead down to

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the meter. So the SCR typically goes from the panel

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to a remote distribution panel. But you know s CU

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and SCR cable. It's kind of about a great sheeting

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on it looks like non metallic sheath cable. It is

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non metallic, but it's a little bigger. Typically used for

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services and feeders, but the SCR has in the SCU

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can be used for other things than just services or

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feeder applications. I mean, there's obviously four conductors in an

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SCR can supply a piece of equipment that needs four

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conductors and you know the equipment ground. But also you

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could have a unit that needs just the two hots

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and an equipment ground, and then the SCU would be

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fine for that too. So don't think that it's just

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for service or feeders. It can actually be used branch

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circuits to utilization equipment as long as again you're using it,

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whether or not you need the three conductors of the

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four conductors, depending on what you're installing, you may have

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a neutral and you may not. But just don't think

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that SCR or s e U is only one application,

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and that is for service applications or feeder applications. There's

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other applications where you can clearly use SCR or SCU.

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Just remember that you have to follow the security and

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supporting rules as if it was non metallic sheath cable

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that's in article three thirty four Dot thirty. You're securing

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in supporting section. Remember that dot thirty and most of

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your wining cable has to do with securing and supporting.

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Speaker 1: So you still can run it.

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Speaker 2: You just have to secure it, like if it was

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non metallic sheet cable or what some of you refer

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to as romax. You just have to remember that you

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still have to secure and support it accordingly.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now the question says.

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Speaker 2: Again, well, where is it legal for electricians to run

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SCR cable through an apartment complex?

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Speaker 1: All right, so if you.

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Speaker 2: Have an apartment and their interior units, so it's really

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one building, so it has one address, and you have

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multiple units in the building. So basically the envelope is

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it was one building, and then you have what's called

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fire rated assemblies that run through the building that separate

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the different units and maybe the common corridor, so they're

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not separate buildings.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so there's nothing.

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Speaker 2: That says that you can't run seer in the building

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to supply the remote distribution panels for each.

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Speaker 1: Of these apartment complexes.

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Speaker 2: If you penetrate a fire rated assembly, then you have

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to maintain the rating of that fire rated assembly, So

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you pay attention to three hundred twenty one of the NEEC,

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and so you'll have to use an approved fire stopping

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detail and put that the fire rated wall, floor or ceiling, whatever.

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You have to put it back at its original rating

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that it would have lost when you penetrated it. You

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have to follow the detail for how you penetrate it.

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And that's like UL or Hilty can give you those

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details on what you need to do, how you would

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need to do it, into messent material, all those type

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of things. But as far as running the SDR, if

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it's a single building, nothing prohibits you from running it

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into concealed walls all through that building to each one

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of the apartment.

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Speaker 1: Complexes or whatever you want.

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Speaker 2: Okay, totally different question when it comes to what can

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I supply because obviously one unit can't supply anything in

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another unit, and if it's a common area, that's done

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from a house panel. Uh, but that's not really what

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the question is just about. SCR cable usage. And so

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again the question is about an apartment complex. Then you

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can run it from wherever you're putting the switch gear

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or the panels. You can run it to every the

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remote distribution panel. You can run it up through the

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building in all the concealed walls to every apartment that

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you need to. That's not you're not just done all

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the time, done every day of the week, that type

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of thing. So well, where you run into issues with

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the se cable in SCR is when it goes outside.

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Right when you go outside, then you got a problem

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to get from point A to B because SCR is

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not direct burial rated. Now my product is at hung

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Kore Wire. It's called a hybrid cable. It's not only

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is it SCR, but it's also trade cable, so you

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get the benefits of direct burials. So it is perfect

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for transitions from point A to point B, especially if

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you've got to leave one building it's a another building.

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Just remember that one of the big issues you have

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is if you had an apartment complex that had let's

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say I'm just throwing this out there, that every unit

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was separated by a fire wall, so they actually create

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separate buildings. So that's when you would have an address

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on something that is let's just say it's one twenty five,

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one twenty eight, one twenty you know, different number, and

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then they have their own separate numbering system. Then typically

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this is what you'd get in a you know where

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you might have multiple apartments one level and there's firewalls

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between them. Well, if each one of those apartments has

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its own address, then there's a possibility that that is

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its own separate building. And if it's its own separate building,

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then you can't take an SDR and go from one building,

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feed it through another building to feed another building. Okay,

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that would not be koach to do something like that. Now,

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you don't want it run through the building that's not

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associated with the sea.

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Speaker 1: Now, and again, like I said, if it's a.

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Speaker 2: Big apartment complex and all of the apartments are inside

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of it and it's only separated with fire rated assemblies,

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then you're perfectly fine to run them all around and

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you're not going to have a problem that type of thing. Now,

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got to remember that it's it's once you take it

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and you go outside of the building, and you go

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like out of your one building and you go through

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it and you have a firewall, which then all of

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a sudden constitutes you going into a separate building, right,

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And once you go into that separate building, then you

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run into some issues with it going from one building

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to another and then having disconnection means and all this

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kind of stuff, right, And also then it talks about

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the number of supplies to a building and two twenty

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five thirty and it gets way more.

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Speaker 1: Complicated and that type of thing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, But if you're not passing through the building and

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you're just doing everything on the outside of the building,

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then nothing says that you can't use SCR.

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Speaker 1: And SR is a wet location product.

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Speaker 2: It can mount on the side of a building and

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run down and hit separate panels whatnot at each individual apartment.

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If the apartments are separate buildings, then that's fine. But again,

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if it's one full building and you just have apartments

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inside of it, the envelope and then the only thing

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inside is the fire rated assembly is not firewalls that

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separate and create their own buildings, which typically go up

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and through the roof.

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Speaker 1: Mind you.

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Speaker 2: So if that's not the case, then there's nothing that

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says you can't run SCR all through that building. It's

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not going to cause any problems. Again, remember the ser

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typically when you're doing that, since you're running it further

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in the building, it's going to be on the load

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side of a disc next so in overcurrent protections. So

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that's not going to be a problem with that. I

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don't know if that answered your question, feel free to

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follow up and ask me, you know, to clarify, just

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let me know what episode it is and give me

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a little bit of a summary of what it was,

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because I do get thousands of emails, so I just

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want to make sure I stay on point with what

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you're asking. But yeah, again, I've seen plenty of apartment

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complexes with individual apartments and they're just separated by fire

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rated assemblies, and you have a basement area that's got

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all of the panels in it, an access area and

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all the meter the meter stacks and everything, and then

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you go straight from that room all through the apartment

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complex to hit the panels that.

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Speaker 1: Are inside of each apartment. SCR is perfectly fine for that.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, if you're going to hit buildings, then

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you know, go from building to building. Then you got

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to pull in the rules in two twenty five and

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look at all those rules and you know, be very

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careful what you're applying those rules to.

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Speaker 1: That type of thing.

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Speaker 2: But other than that, there's really not much places that

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you can't run ser in a building.

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Speaker 1: Now, one of.

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Speaker 2: The other things that again does come into play is

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the disconnecting mean requirements. So if you did have multiple

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buildings that were separated, could be one building that separated

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with firewalls. So think of the six apartment complex where

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it has a firewall between each of the apartment complexes,

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creating separate buildings because of those firewalls. And we're not

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talking about fire rated assemblies here, we're talking about firewalls

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that separate and create buildings. Okay, that separate structures to

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create buildings. If that is the case and you want

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to run something from one building through or to another building,

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you still got to follow the rules in two twenty

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five thirty one B for the location. And when that

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takes place, you're sitting there going, okay, well, it has

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to be in a readily accessible location nearest the point

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of entry of the conductors or where you going to

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do that, So kind of pointless if you know you're

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not going to do it down in a crawl.

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Speaker 1: You're not going to do it in an attic.

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Speaker 2: You know, how are you getting across these these from

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the different buildings and where would you put that disconnect?

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So it kind of makes it impractical for that application.

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But where you don't have I'll give you a good

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another good example and Alexandria, Virginia. You have these apartment

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complexes and they have a common attic, so it's a

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common attic, so it's no firewalls. It's fire rated assemblies

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to our rated assemblies, all this kind of stuff. But

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then go up into the attic and it's just open.

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And now they may put up some wire or something

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to separate the units of it, but they're not firewalls.

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So that is it might have a bunch of apartments

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in it, but it's still just one building. Okay, you

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look at the structure and you have a just a

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makes up of a lot of fire rated assemblies. Well, hell,

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you can run ser all through that building and is

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not a problem. It's concealed in the walls. Doesn't matter

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how you rote them for point A to point b.

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Speaker 1: That's fine. Nobody knows they're there. They're in the walls.

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It doesn't.

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Speaker 2: There's no harm, no foul. They got over current protection

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on them. They're good to go. But the moment that

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you were to put firewalls in there that run from

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the foundation all the way up through the ceiling through

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the roof, now you've created separate buildings and when you

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go from one building to another building, then you got

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to meet all these disconnecting meaning rules, location rules, all

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that stuff, which makes it impractical to do that where

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you gonna do it at that type of thing. Otherwise,

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what you really would do is run it all on

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the outside and put the disconnected each one of the

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individual units, uh, and do it that way makes sense.

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Hopefully that makes sense. All right, folks, that's going to

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be it for this episode today. It's a short one.

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We just want to make sure we covered some of

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these topics and uh, we're gonna get caught up with them.

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But that's that's all we're gonna do for today. Thanks

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for following me, Thanks for sending us the questions.

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 2: If you need any follow up to any of these questions,

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all you got to do is go to Paul Abernathy

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dot com. It's a free service. Make sure you put

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in your name your information, your contact information, and give

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me a summary of the episode that you're questioning and

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you want a little clarity, and give me a brief,

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you know, summary of what you're asking and I'm more

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than happy to follow up. Okay, all right, folks, till

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next time, Stay safe, God blessed, and thanks for your

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patience while we move from Texas to Virginia.

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Speaker 1: Take care,