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<v Speaker 1>Well, whiskey, come and take my pain. The honeys all right,

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<v Speaker 1>oh whiskey. Don't why think alone when you can drink

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<v Speaker 1>it all in with Ricochet's three Whiskey Happy Hour. Join

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<v Speaker 1>your bartenders, Steve Hayward, John, You and the International Woman

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<v Speaker 1>of Mystery, Lucretia. Where this laps it up? And live it?

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<v Speaker 1>Ain't you easy on? The should tap guy to give

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<v Speaker 1>me and let that whiskey? Well? The left is having

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<v Speaker 1>a total meltdown this week, and the three Whiskey Happy

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<v Speaker 1>Hour is here for it. And by here for it,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, of course John and Lucretia, the International Woman

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<v Speaker 1>of Mystery. Uh, Lucretia, how are you and what are

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<v Speaker 1>you drinking tonight?

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<v Speaker 2>I am well, thank you, and I I decided to

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<v Speaker 2>set up in my little office a whiskey bar, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm drinking Glen Fidditch eighteen year old.

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<v Speaker 1>See I see it over your shoulder? Some of that right?

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<v Speaker 1>And then John, you thought you were done being out

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<v Speaker 1>numbered today when you left the Fox set at one

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock Eastern time. But no, we may have you out

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<v Speaker 1>numbered a bit here, but we'll see. Are you having

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<v Speaker 1>an a libation to cool off after a long week.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I wish I were by just ran here from

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<v Speaker 3>something in New York, so I want to go is water?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh I didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't have time to stop and get anything. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>so behind.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and I would think this is a week to

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<v Speaker 1>celebrate because we have ta free whiskey is back. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is important. Do you actually check the stories to

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<v Speaker 1>see if prices?

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<v Speaker 3>Immediately responded, No, I haven't, right, right, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>let we can let it share for that right.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, it's terra free Scotch whiskey specifically, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>And I do have to sorry to spring this on

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<v Speaker 2>you guys, but I read a story this morning. I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen a couple of these now, which the basic premise

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<v Speaker 2>of it. I think it was from the Wall Street

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<v Speaker 2>Journal that we needed to bring back the three martini

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<v Speaker 2>lunch because there are actually many people who whose creativity

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<v Speaker 2>who's you know, if you if you're a some kind,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're on Wall Street and you're taking all these risks.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just easier to take risks when you've had a

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<v Speaker 2>few drinks that you shouldn't become, you know, an alcoholic

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<v Speaker 2>and ruin your liver. But we should, we should return

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<v Speaker 2>to the three whiskey lunch like the admin in mad Men.

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<v Speaker 1>Well there's that. I remember. The person who made the

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<v Speaker 1>crusade against the three martini lunch, or made it famous,

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<v Speaker 1>was Jimmy Carter. Right, you wanted to take away the

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<v Speaker 1>tax deductibility of the three martini lunch, to which very

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<v Speaker 1>Goldwater said, we didn't need a three martini lunch until

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<v Speaker 1>Carter became president. I thought it was a good repust writing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fun stuff back then. But I do think

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<v Speaker 1>that we need to pat ourselves on the back here

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<v Speaker 1>today because we have to trifecta listeners. All three of

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<v Speaker 1>us appear today on the Civitas Outlook Symposium on the

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<v Speaker 1>Declaration of Independence and Justice Thomas's great speech, which was

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<v Speaker 1>our subject last week. But still I think that ought

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<v Speaker 1>to be said. Uh, and John, you're being accused of

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<v Speaker 1>outing yourself because you talked about how the people attacking

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<v Speaker 1>the Declaration were attacking natural law.

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<v Speaker 3>And no, that doesn't mean I agree with it, though

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<v Speaker 3>I was describing guys don't read carefully enough.

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<v Speaker 2>I read carefully, John, I read.

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<v Speaker 3>I taught you to your conclusions.

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<v Speaker 2>I caught your repeated reference to moral systems, and which

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<v Speaker 2>is your dismissive way of saying that that's just somebody's

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<v Speaker 2>belief system, and why what does it have to do

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<v Speaker 2>with today?

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<v Speaker 3>I caught it. See I'm still consistent, Heyward.

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<v Speaker 2>And not stress.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice try right. Let's see, So mine was about, yeah, well.

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<v Speaker 3>You should describe what each of our pieces.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go first. Mine was the headline I gave it

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<v Speaker 1>was silent Clarence meets silent Cow, right, I mean Calvin Cooler.

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<v Speaker 1>He quoted Calvin coolidg's speech and I talked about the

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<v Speaker 1>parallels between them, and actually silent cow was wrong about Coolidge.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't. I think the left invented that to say

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<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't pay attention to him, because when he did

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<v Speaker 1>speak or right, he said really serious stuff and he

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<v Speaker 1>was the last president to write his own speech as well. Thomas,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, has been attacked for years because he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>say a lot from the bench. Now he's saying more lately,

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<v Speaker 1>so they kind of call him silent Clarence. They haven't

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<v Speaker 1>really tried to label him that, but of course he's

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<v Speaker 1>not silent in his opinions and they rather you not

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<v Speaker 1>read those. But that's that was That's a very short

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<v Speaker 1>thumbnail sketch, Lucretia, what did you say, I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 2>I talked about Abraham Lincoln. I talked about that I

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<v Speaker 2>had a lot of the same themes as other people

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<v Speaker 2>who ended up kind of focused on one over another.

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<v Speaker 2>I talked about how there was a lot of parallels

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<v Speaker 2>between what Lincoln was trying to do in the anti

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<v Speaker 2>Bellum period and what Thomas is attempting to do now,

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<v Speaker 2>which is alert people to the fundamental, as you would

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<v Speaker 2>call it, john moral systems. That anyway, I'm not in

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<v Speaker 2>the mood to get in a fight about that with

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<v Speaker 2>you today. I do have a I do have a

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<v Speaker 2>slight sort of off topic thing, sort of off topic

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<v Speaker 2>thing to bring up, and that is that they've been

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<v Speaker 2>talking in different areas about the fact that he is

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<v Speaker 2>silent cal you know that that he doesn't speak much,

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<v Speaker 2>and that he's actually been somewhat Clarence Thomas has been

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<v Speaker 2>somewhat vilified for doing that as well. But I read

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<v Speaker 2>a history and it said that those I want to

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<v Speaker 2>see his name is William Johnson. So you know, Marshall

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<v Speaker 2>comes on the court and he tries to get air

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<v Speaker 2>everybody to be unanimous in all their decisions and a

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<v Speaker 2>single opinion written, and not a bunch of opinions. And

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<v Speaker 2>of course Thomas Jefferson is the moment he gets a chance,

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<v Speaker 2>appoints somebody that he's going to hopes can undermine Marshall

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<v Speaker 2>and this young guy, and all he does is talk.

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<v Speaker 2>All he does is talk all the time. And who

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<v Speaker 2>does that remind you of? By the way, and it

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<v Speaker 2>talks about how the rest of the justices thought he

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<v Speaker 2>was an idiot and that he was completely disrespectful, because

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<v Speaker 2>when you're young and stupid, you should keep your mouth shut.

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<v Speaker 2>So I didn't put out of my paper. I just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to say that because of your ok Calvin Coolidge things.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, so John, Yes, I made the point that

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<v Speaker 4>I thought the Justice's speech was responding to not just

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<v Speaker 4>a sixteen nineteen project, but the Post liberals that ah

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<v Speaker 4>wriking the argument that the founding is neither you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a white supremacist document or that it's morally morally has.

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<v Speaker 3>No content, which is what the Post liberals criticize it for,

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<v Speaker 3>and that he now I'm not saying I agree with it,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just describing this is what he did, was in

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<v Speaker 3>the speech make the claim that the founding itself had

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<v Speaker 3>moral content to it. It's not just you know, what

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<v Speaker 3>lawyers would call a process based document. So that there

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<v Speaker 3>is some moral values expressed in the declaration, and that

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<v Speaker 3>that and that at least he says, that's the common

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<v Speaker 3>ground we can have in the country is around those. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>I still want to find out where this natural law

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<v Speaker 3>and nat right come from. And he didn't address that

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<v Speaker 3>and his speaks at all.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't need to. John, That's why didn't you knows

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<v Speaker 1>that you're hope listen.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, by the way, I think one thing that was

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<v Speaker 1>left out of some breaking news this week, I have

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<v Speaker 1>for you, you know, the famous letter from Jefferson to

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Henry Lee where he says, oh, my sources were

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<v Speaker 1>u you know the basic elementary writers Aristotle, Cicero, Sydney,

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<v Speaker 1>and Locke. Well, a first traft has been discovered. And

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<v Speaker 1>he said Aristotle, Cicero, Sydney, Sweeney.

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<v Speaker 3>In Locke, Christ, geez, you got a one track mine.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure the mine that's got the one.

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<v Speaker 1>Track Okay, okay, it could be all right. I have

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<v Speaker 1>had enough whiskey to say that Richard Samuelson is telling

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<v Speaker 1>us that we ought to give up on the Sydney

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<v Speaker 1>Sweeney business and just surrender to the fact that she's

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<v Speaker 1>a juggernaut. So all right, everybody, let us take a

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<v Speaker 1>quick ad break and never come back again the serious subjects,

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<v Speaker 1>starting with voting rights and the democratic meltdown and all

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of that. Don't go away. We'll be right back,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. I said at the open that the left

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<v Speaker 1>is having a meltdown, and what they're melting down over

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<v Speaker 1>is the Supreme Court decision here a couple of days

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<v Speaker 1>ago in Louisiana versus Kela, I think, is it probably?

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<v Speaker 1>And that was the Louisiana voting rights case. And so John,

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<v Speaker 1>why don't you give us a quick summary to get

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<v Speaker 1>us started? And then I have a bunch of questions,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure Lucretia does too.

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<v Speaker 3>A quick summary of a ninety page opinion. What are

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<v Speaker 3>you talking about it now? But actually it's both simple

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<v Speaker 3>and complicated. The simple thing is that this is just

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<v Speaker 3>the continuation of two trends and the Supreme Court's cases.

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<v Speaker 3>One is stop using race. The government should just stop

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<v Speaker 3>using race. This is one of the last areas where

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<v Speaker 3>the courts have allowed the government to use race, which

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<v Speaker 3>is in the drawing of congressional districts. Now, the chances

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<v Speaker 3>of the government can do that are in a very

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<v Speaker 3>very small set of cases to basically remedy past discrimination

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<v Speaker 3>on the basis of race, that's the only time it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be allowed, I think. And then the second

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<v Speaker 3>thing that's happened here that this case is really part

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<v Speaker 3>of the culmination of is the court basically wants the

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<v Speaker 3>lower federal course that get out of the business of

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<v Speaker 3>interfering and districting at all. So what's been going on

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<v Speaker 3>here is that primarily in the South, but not just

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<v Speaker 3>in the South, federal judges were going around and forcing

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<v Speaker 3>states to add more districts, to draw them in a

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<v Speaker 3>way that will produce more minority members of Congress. And

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<v Speaker 3>the way they did that was to say, well, we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to we want states to try to draw districts

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<v Speaker 3>that have a lot of minorities in them to produce

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<v Speaker 3>those districts. So the bottom line holding of the case

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<v Speaker 3>is no longer can federal judges go to states and

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<v Speaker 3>say the Voting Rights Act or the fifteenth Amendment of

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<v Speaker 3>the Constitution require you to maximize the number of minority

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<v Speaker 3>congressmen and congresswomen in your states instead, the court says

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<v Speaker 3>that's unconstitutional. The laws don't require that. All they're there

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<v Speaker 3>to do is to make sure that everyone can get

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<v Speaker 3>to the ballot and vote without regard to their race,

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<v Speaker 3>and that the only time, and then when states draw

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<v Speaker 3>districts that don't involve they don't take race into account.

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<v Speaker 3>The course, you generally stay out and not look at

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<v Speaker 3>them at all. And the only time courts you get

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<v Speaker 3>involved is when the districts are being drawn to make

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<v Speaker 3>up for past discrimination, like if a state had been

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<v Speaker 3>using race illegally, then you might need to use race

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<v Speaker 3>to make up for it to remedy it for a

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<v Speaker 3>little while. That seems to me the only circumstance you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to be allowed to do it anymore. So what

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<v Speaker 3>that means is we're going to have the kind of

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<v Speaker 3>free for all we're seeing all around the country right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it's going to continue and the courts are not

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<v Speaker 3>going to get involved. That's the bottom line.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have a question before you ask your Steve

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<v Speaker 2>directly bearing on this, and that is, if the courts

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<v Speaker 2>will only get involved upon a finding of past discrimination

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<v Speaker 2>the illegal use of race to draw districts, can that

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<v Speaker 2>mean the illegal use of race to draw districts, as

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<v Speaker 2>the court just decided was an illegal use of race

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<v Speaker 2>to draw districts. Can we say that there need to

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<v Speaker 2>be race drawn districts where white people or Asian people

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<v Speaker 2>have been you know, systematically pushed out of the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>not have the opportunity to vote for someone who looks

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<v Speaker 2>like them, Which is really what all this nonsense comes

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<v Speaker 2>down to, right, is that you want to have draw

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<v Speaker 2>districts for minorities so they can be assured of voting

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<v Speaker 2>for someone who looks like them. Otherwise it makes no

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<v Speaker 2>sense at all. And so I'm just asking do you

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<v Speaker 2>if you have another Southern state that's had these minority

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<v Speaker 2>back and say we need white drawn districts because of this,

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<v Speaker 3>No, No, I think it's plausible. But if you were

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<v Speaker 3>get drawn into decades more litigation over that. But yeah, suppose,

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<v Speaker 3>for example, that Georgia had been forced by the federal

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<v Speaker 3>courts to have say, five districts drawn on purpose to

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<v Speaker 3>have larger black constituencies so that they might produce a

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<v Speaker 3>black congressman or women in each of those districts. Then

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<v Speaker 3>I guess a white person could say, well, that judge

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<v Speaker 3>was doing that unconstitutionally, and now the state should in

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<v Speaker 3>fact go the other way by two or three districts

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<v Speaker 3>for white people, because that would make up for all

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<v Speaker 3>those years. Generally, the courts don't like to, I think,

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<v Speaker 3>say we did something unconstitutionally, it was retroactive, and now

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<v Speaker 3>we got to make up for it, and so that

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<v Speaker 3>would present this whole new constitutional issue. I would say,

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<v Speaker 3>if you were a state like this, you should just

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<v Speaker 3>go forward and draw the districts like you want without

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<v Speaker 3>regard to race, and then, which is what they I

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<v Speaker 3>think they generally want to do anyway, Otherwise they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to get tied up in more years of litigation about

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<v Speaker 3>their maps based on Lucretia's, you know, very very cynical,

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<v Speaker 3>tricky theory about the voter rights.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so from the syllabus, I only got a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to read the syllabus, the whole ninety two pages will

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<v Speaker 1>have to wait for another day. But in the syllabus

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<v Speaker 1>it said the fifteenth Amendment bars only state action quoting

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<v Speaker 1>here motivated by discriminatory purpose. I think that's quoting the

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<v Speaker 1>previous cases. And in other words, the fifteenth Amendment prohibits

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<v Speaker 1>intentional racial discrimination. Now, I think some of the cases

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<v Speaker 1>of some of the cases, some of the circumstances from

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<v Speaker 1>seventy years ago were, say a place like Jackson, Mississippi,

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<v Speaker 1>where the entire city council was elected on an at

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<v Speaker 1>large base, which meant you got nine white city councilmen

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<v Speaker 1>even though you had thirty five forty. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>there the argument was, we think we know why they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing that, because not every city did have at large

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<v Speaker 1>elections for all the seats, right, they'd have districts. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the way most people do it. And so then so

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<v Speaker 1>you can see that that makes some sense that you

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<v Speaker 1>can tell, well, that's why they did it, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>there is a men's ray of problem there, right, But

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<v Speaker 1>it's does this decision actually bar any race based districts?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what if by coincidence, you do you know

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<v Speaker 1>contiguous or you know, compact districts and two of them

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<v Speaker 1>turned out to be highly concentrated minorities. This decision seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be just ambiguous to leave a problem for so

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<v Speaker 1>the court.

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<v Speaker 3>The Court could have gone even farther than did here

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<v Speaker 3>and just struck down the Voting Rights Act because the

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<v Speaker 3>Voting Rights Act tried to say, stop asking about the

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<v Speaker 3>intention of the legislature, just look at the totality of

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<v Speaker 3>the circumstances along with other things. But initially the first

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<v Speaker 3>version of the Voting Rights Act, which was passed in

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<v Speaker 3>sixty five, the Supreme Court right it the way Steve

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<v Speaker 3>was reading the fifteenth Amendment to say, only intentional efforts

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<v Speaker 3>to use race or unconstitutional if there should be racial

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<v Speaker 3>differences in the districts based on the effect, not the intention.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not covered by the Voting Right sick. Then the

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<v Speaker 3>Congress passed a set of amendments, i think in eighty

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<v Speaker 3>two that overruled that meeting, and then they eliminated the intent,

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<v Speaker 3>but they didn't replace with anything really clear. And so

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<v Speaker 3>the Court has struggled ever since then to figure out, well,

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<v Speaker 3>what are you allowed to do? So the Descent claims,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think there's some truth to what the Descent says,

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<v Speaker 3>is that Justice Alito's opinion kind of resurrects an intention requirement.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think you have to do that because I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think the fifteenth Amendment says you have a roving

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<v Speaker 3>mandate to go fix any voting system that happens to

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<v Speaker 3>have a desperate effect based on race. And as you said, Steve,

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<v Speaker 3>often I would suspect the effect is not race. It's partisanship.

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<v Speaker 3>That states are trying to draw districts to maximize Republicans

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<v Speaker 3>or Democrats, and African Americans have a high correlation of

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<v Speaker 3>voting Democrat, so it could look the same. So Justice

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<v Speaker 3>Alito is saying, actually says in the opinion that if

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to bring these cases, you have to show

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<v Speaker 3>that the state was not trying to do it for

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<v Speaker 3>partisan reasons, that it really was just racial reasons. And

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<v Speaker 3>just as Little basically says, the lower courts are getting

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<v Speaker 3>these two things confused because of the high rate of

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<v Speaker 3>voting for Republicans or Democrats by certain ethnic groups, and

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<v Speaker 3>he says, you have to prove that that's not what's

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<v Speaker 3>going on. And in a case, that's a very high standard.

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<v Speaker 2>I think let's take the high road for a moment

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<v Speaker 2>and say that even though over certain periods of time

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<v Speaker 2>you can identify certain minority voting patterns with a certain

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<v Speaker 2>party one or the other, especially Blacks with the Democratic Party,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's changed in the past from Republicans to Democrats.

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<v Speaker 2>And supposedly the one area where Trump is not losing

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<v Speaker 2>according to CNN Harry Enton, right, I can't remember his name,

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<v Speaker 2>that Trump is not losing. In fact, he's gaining support

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<v Speaker 2>in the black community. His support in the black community

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<v Speaker 2>is already higher than it was in twenty twenty and

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<v Speaker 2>moving up since the election. So the idea that you

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<v Speaker 2>should even play that game of noticing race at all

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be it seems to be racist. I'll just

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<v Speaker 2>say it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the other thing that Alito nods to, but this

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<v Speaker 3>is really Justice Thomas's view from thirty years ago, and

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<v Speaker 3>you could say, in the way Thomas's view is starting

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<v Speaker 3>to prevail. He said, what's so offensive about racial redistricting

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<v Speaker 3>is that it assumes people of a race all think

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<v Speaker 3>the same, vote the same, and they will only vote

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<v Speaker 3>for people of their skin color. And he's like, that's

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<v Speaker 3>so offensive and actually is under contrary to the fourteenth

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<v Speaker 3>and fifteen. It's totally fine to do it. For the

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<v Speaker 3>you know, well, of course we put the Republicans together,

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<v Speaker 3>we assume they'll vote for Republican there's nothing wrong that

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<v Speaker 3>that doesn't involve skink color, and the courts don't review that,

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<v Speaker 3>right republic Partisan jerrymandering is a political question. There's no

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<v Speaker 3>judicial review over that. Now, most districting is now going

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<v Speaker 3>to fall into the political question doctrine under this opinion

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<v Speaker 3>and won't be reviewed.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. Well, you know, one of the problems here is

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<v Speaker 1>the hardening of racial essentialism on the left. That's decades old.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, in the good old days by that,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you know New York City from you know,

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<v Speaker 1>most of the Tammany Hall days, and well in the fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>before the Civil Rights Revolution hardened all this, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>the parties would put together their slates also Chicago, And

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<v Speaker 1>what do you want on your slate for either party?

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<v Speaker 1>Want a Jew, an Irishman, a Puerto Rican, a Protestant,

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<v Speaker 1>a black?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>And and what do you call that? You call that

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<v Speaker 1>a balanced ticket? Why? It's everybody. You want to have

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<v Speaker 1>everybody joining in the you know, to be part of

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<v Speaker 1>the everybody's got a piece of the action. And that

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<v Speaker 1>was just called ordinary politics. But now we have this ideology,

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<v Speaker 1>as you alluded to that you're you're supposed to think ideologically.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, let's face it, and no, Creasey, you were.

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<v Speaker 1>You took the high road. I mustounded uh, look at

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<v Speaker 1>the idea we must have black dextris is simply a

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<v Speaker 1>proxy for Democratic voters, right, based on the propensity of it,

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<v Speaker 1>And well, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't and it doesn't necessarily pertain in this case,

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<v Speaker 2>but it often pertains. I was thinking about it when

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<v Speaker 2>you were talking about at large elections versus uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a city council, seizure districts, what what have you the

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<v Speaker 2>Depending on the percentages of minorities in the population in

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<v Speaker 2>any given area and so on, it might be the

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<v Speaker 2>case that having a single person who looks like you

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<v Speaker 2>voted as a minority, voted into office means that that

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<v Speaker 2>person no longer has to take account of other people.

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<v Speaker 2>But more important than that, let's just say you have

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<v Speaker 2>I want to make it simple. You have five districts,

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<v Speaker 2>you have at large elections, or you have five districts

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<v Speaker 2>and roughly twenty two percent of that population is black.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just say it like that, and then you draw

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<v Speaker 2>districts divided into five, and you draw a really strong

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<v Speaker 2>majority black district, that black representative who's voted in, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>under the assumptions, is one amongst four. The other four

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<v Speaker 2>members don't have to pay any attention to the specific

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<v Speaker 2>needs of the black community, et cetera, et cetera. And

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<v Speaker 2>so it's not always the case that having someone who

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<v Speaker 2>looks like you be voted into office is necessarily the

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<v Speaker 2>best way to see your your district represented, your your

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<v Speaker 2>interests represented, whatever legislative thing we're talking about, is my point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yea.

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<v Speaker 2>And that argument was made in nineteen eighty two. That

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<v Speaker 2>argument was actually made by my old professor Ed Ehler,

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<v Speaker 2>who was on the Rights Commission at the time, and

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<v Speaker 2>the Thurnberg. Anyway, I remember it vividly at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course they lost.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, well, and then you know the other part

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<v Speaker 1>of this politically, it's ideologically is the country is not

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<v Speaker 1>what it was seventy years ago. So I think the

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<v Speaker 1>numbers are something like this. I remember reading American Black

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<v Speaker 1>and White, the great book by the Fernstroms, that big doorstop,

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<v Speaker 1>the book that talked about black progress. Really that book

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<v Speaker 1>came out what I think in nineteen ninety eight, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's now pretty old. But one of things that pointed

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<v Speaker 1>out was the numbers are something like this, But in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty they are only like one hundred elected black

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<v Speaker 1>officials in the old Confederate States. Today there are several

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<v Speaker 1>thousand in all levels of government, right, local government, state,

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<v Speaker 1>and so forth. And so, in other words, you might

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<v Speaker 1>say the Voting Rights Act of Civil rights revolution has worked,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you know, you go along with the racial

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<v Speaker 1>attitudes and all the rest of that. And so this

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<v Speaker 1>really is an archaic law, but Democrats are paranoid to

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<v Speaker 1>let it go. But of course they like to throw

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<v Speaker 1>the race card around, so that's also useful to them.

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<v Speaker 1>They think, I think it's maxed out, as they say, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually don't think they're capable of thinking any other way.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, go ahead, John Well.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I think that the Steve's point is proven out

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<v Speaker 3>by Shelby County, which is the case that's struck down

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<v Speaker 3>a different section of the Voting Rights Act back in

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<v Speaker 3>I think twenty twelve or twenty fourteen, and exactly the

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<v Speaker 3>same response. This guy's falling blacks will be driven out

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<v Speaker 3>of public office. They'll be terrible things done to black

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<v Speaker 3>voting patterns. Nothing happened as far as I know. I

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<v Speaker 3>think the court said, you know, you look at black

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<v Speaker 3>participation rates in registration and voting, and it's basically the

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<v Speaker 3>same or even higher than whites in the Old South. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>and if the Democrats went in the House this in

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<v Speaker 3>the term election, we're going to have the first black

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<v Speaker 3>Speaker of the House in American history.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not the collapse of.

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<v Speaker 3>Voting rights that the left predicted was going to happen

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<v Speaker 3>after Shelby County.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh, don't even ruined my whole night.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me let me, let me, let me go

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<v Speaker 1>to an ad break so you can collect yourself with

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<v Speaker 1>a cretia.

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<v Speaker 2>I just can't stand that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, Two more questions that I have on

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<v Speaker 1>this voting rights matter. One is, isn't uh the next

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<v Speaker 1>frontier of trying to sort out the corruptions of civil

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<v Speaker 1>rights to attack the disparate impact doctrine and the famous

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<v Speaker 1>Griggs president from the early seventies, right, I mean, for

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<v Speaker 1>listeners who don't know the Griggs case, actually what did

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<v Speaker 1>it say? But it gave us the desparate impact principle,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a there's a statistical disparity between say, the

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<v Speaker 1>percentage of a minority employed in the local workforce and

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<v Speaker 1>their percentage in the local population. It's thought to be

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<v Speaker 1>prime e facient evidence that discrimination may be taking place. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>that standard as a trip wire only lasted about thirty seconds,

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<v Speaker 1>and that became assumed to be proof that discrimination is

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<v Speaker 1>taking place, and that became the cudgel for endless consent,

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<v Speaker 1>decrease changing employment testing, and lots of things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I will house it that I housing well, I will

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<v Speaker 1>add that I do recall a civil senior civil rights

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement official. This is back in the eighties and talking

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<v Speaker 1>to this official who was saying, yeah, disparate impact as

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<v Speaker 1>fine as a trip wire. But then you have to

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<v Speaker 1>investigate to see, like the fifteenth Amendment says that, as

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<v Speaker 1>we mentioned a moment ago, intentional discrimination, and this person

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<v Speaker 1>said yeah, And investigatings, I found there were companies where

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<v Speaker 1>they were clearly discriminating on a racial basis. And that

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<v Speaker 1>official was EEO seat chairman Blarence Thomas. But the problem

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<v Speaker 1>is this has been corrupted, right badly corrupted as things

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<v Speaker 1>have gone on. So I mean it seems to me

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, Edward Gloom or our friends at the

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<v Speaker 1>phil Hamburger and those Civil Liberties Alliance ought to be

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<v Speaker 1>looking for a case to attack the Griggs case. Does

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<v Speaker 1>that make sense, John, Or is Griggs just unassailable? What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think?

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<v Speaker 3>No? No, I don't think it's unassailable. And you could

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<v Speaker 3>argue that the court right, this is a Burger Court

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<v Speaker 3>precedent when Brennan and Thomps, Brennan and Marshall were still

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<v Speaker 3>kind of in control, and the statute doesn't say that

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<v Speaker 3>you can you just bring impact. And in fact, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe that when Title seven was pasted, Hubert Humphrey

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<v Speaker 3>on the floor clawing up and down, this would never happen,

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<v Speaker 3>and that you know Hooper, he was the floor manager

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<v Speaker 3>for the bill. It is surprising, she stev point, I

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<v Speaker 3>had just had thought about it that that president is

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<v Speaker 3>still there and has not been overturned. But I ask you, actually,

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't conservetives now benefit from disparate impact more? Yes? If

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<v Speaker 3>you right? If you think about like what's going with

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<v Speaker 3>school admissions now after Harvard case, we all knows universities

483
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<v Speaker 3>are still cheating and emissions and hiring to use to

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<v Speaker 3>favor certain races over others, but they can't prove it

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<v Speaker 3>because they're all doing pretextually now and trying to get

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<v Speaker 3>her of all standards and use just a whole person examination.

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<v Speaker 3>So disparate impact might be actually the benefit conservatives to

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<v Speaker 3>try to sniff out the ways that these institutions are

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<v Speaker 3>still cheating about Harvard and so on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, now, John, you are being you're you're being your

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<v Speaker 1>usual mischievous miss uh mischievous self. But well, I'll see

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<v Speaker 1>how this unfolds, because you know, Megan the Cardinal the

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Post says, I keep hearing all these people, especially

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<v Speaker 1>at universities, saying, oh, no, we won't hire any white people.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. It's just a lot of people openly admitted this,

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<v Speaker 1>And Meghan would say to herself and say to them,

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<v Speaker 1>why do you openly confess to breaking the law. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like what, it's amazing, and you know there should be Well, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they don't Actually I think or they don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been in those conversations. I do think that they

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<v Speaker 2>know it. But I get what you're saying. These people

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<v Speaker 2>who who buy the Dei agendas a hook like hook

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<v Speaker 2>line and sinker, I do not believe that there is

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<v Speaker 2>an alternative to it. And so the idea that they

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<v Speaker 2>should cheat in order to continue DEI to them is

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<v Speaker 2>an active esoteric justice, shall we say? Uh? And you

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<v Speaker 2>know I've reported on this before. I've been in meetings

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<v Speaker 2>where they say you have to go through your net

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<v Speaker 2>I D, your log in, your second factor authentication, just

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<v Speaker 2>to see what our policies are in regard to continuing

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<v Speaker 2>to discriminate on the basis of race and on behalf

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<v Speaker 2>of DEI. And so I think they believe it is

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<v Speaker 2>the prime and that's what makes it even harder.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. All right, Well, here's my mischievous question back to

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<v Speaker 1>John or also to you Lucretia, either one of you,

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<v Speaker 1>this Devil's advocate question. Is there anything to be said

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<v Speaker 1>about cynical Republican complicity and race based districts? And I'm here,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm casting my mind back to the early nineteen nineties, when,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, after the Jingles case said oh, we've got

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<v Speaker 1>to have some of these race based districts, and Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>after the nineteen ninety census said oh, we're all for this.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Ben Ginsberg, I think, when he was general

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<v Speaker 1>counsel for the RNC and he said, no, we should

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<v Speaker 1>do that because they anticipated, I think correctly, that the

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<v Speaker 1>changing voting patterns of demographics and the rural vote was

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<v Speaker 1>going to shift towards Republicans. And if you packed more

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<v Speaker 1>high propensity Democratic voters, and the most hyperpensity of all

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<v Speaker 1>were black voters into race based districts, that would be

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<v Speaker 1>good for Republicans, and that way well be true. I

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<v Speaker 1>have never gone back to look at things like.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's yeah, I know, there's like I think people

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<v Speaker 3>wrote about it at the time at New Gingridge right right,

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<v Speaker 3>the NAACP basically in the South had an unholy ALLIANCEACP

534
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<v Speaker 3>wanted to have more black representatives and Gingrich was happy

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<v Speaker 3>to have all the other districts in the suburbs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they got more Republican and and right, that's another

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<v Speaker 1>variation the bootleggers and Baptist coalition, if you know that story.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's the question, was this unacceptably unprincipled or is

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<v Speaker 1>it just hoisting democrats by their own petard? I could

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<v Speaker 1>see Lucretia you going either way on that question. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't find by the way, I remember, sorry, I remember

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<v Speaker 1>the time people like Terry Eastland and Bill Bennett were

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<v Speaker 1>saying this is a bad idea. We should not be

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<v Speaker 1>for doing this, on on on on the sound.

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<v Speaker 2>Princi gentlemen as always, aren't they Well okay, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>what are we going to say that Florida shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>a partisan gerrymandered their legislative districts in response to Virginia

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<v Speaker 2>or I mean, here's the problem. John has said it

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<v Speaker 2>very well himself that until we play their game better

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<v Speaker 2>than they will, they're never going to stop. So no,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, of course you had individual Republicans. This was

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<v Speaker 2>especially true in California for the longest time. Who who

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in order to preserve their own safe Republican district,

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<v Speaker 2>would you know, vote along with the redistricting plans of

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<v Speaker 2>the Democrats. I mean that happened many, many times, at

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<v Speaker 2>least when I was still there. I don't pay as

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<v Speaker 2>much attention now to you people as I used to

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<v Speaker 2>when I when it affected me. But I I want

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<v Speaker 2>to bring up one other quick point that's related about

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<v Speaker 2>back to universities for a moment, you know anymore, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not the issue so much of having minorities and persons

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<v Speaker 2>of color and LGBTQ and all those other things. It's

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<v Speaker 2>there's too damn many old professors who won't retire. All

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<v Speaker 2>the mandatory retirement laws are gone, and so this is

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<v Speaker 2>causing in and of its self problems because as long

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<v Speaker 2>as you have an old professor like me, and they

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<v Speaker 2>talk about people in their sixties hanging barely hanging on,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, being sane Alzheimer, et cetera, demented, And I

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<v Speaker 2>am preventing some lgbd Q plus plus plus woman of color,

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<v Speaker 2>they them from getting a job in political science. Yeah, yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way I feel about that. Sorry. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>There is an op ed in the New York Times

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<v Speaker 1>in the last few days by Sam Moyne of ye

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<v Speaker 1>Law School. I think is a very sinister person. He's

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<v Speaker 1>very smart, but he's very evil, I think. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was there's too many old people in academi and elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>They need these old baby boomers need to get out

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<v Speaker 1>of the way. Some other time we can talk about him.

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<v Speaker 1>But your point, lucretia, uh, and then we'll move on

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<v Speaker 1>to a new subject after a break. And it's all right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing this a little out of order from what

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<v Speaker 1>I propose. But your point about yeah, being gentlemen by

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<v Speaker 1>the way. I think that's too wrong. About Bill Bennet

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<v Speaker 1>and Terry Eastland thirty years ago. I mean, they wrote

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<v Speaker 1>some of the earliest books about what was wrong with

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<v Speaker 1>the race racket. But okay, and I thought maybe we

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<v Speaker 1>could win in those days by making those arguments, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think experience has shown that the left is impervious

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<v Speaker 1>to those And so yeah, during the Reagan years, I

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<v Speaker 1>would get very frustrated when Reagan people would they say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're you're hurting the environment. They say, oh, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we're spending more for this, We're doing the rules for that.

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<v Speaker 1>They're always in defensive crouch posture, accepting the premises of

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<v Speaker 1>the liberals who attack them. And that's happened on civil riots,

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<v Speaker 1>that's happened on welfare programs. Trump has brought an end

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<v Speaker 1>to this. And so I told you I'd skip over

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<v Speaker 1>Lee Zelden, the EPA director, and Rosa de Laurel the

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<v Speaker 1>other day, because it involves that statute. That's the language

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<v Speaker 1>of Mordor to John who was that?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that was Keith Richards with purple hair.

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<v Speaker 1>The Laurel, you know, she's right out of She's clearly

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<v Speaker 1>wants to be part of the canteena scene in Star Wars.

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<v Speaker 1>So here is if you know, most of our listeners

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<v Speaker 1>may not be on Twitter, but here's Lee's Eldon, head

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<v Speaker 1>of the EPA, who put out a tweet two days ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just read. It's a long one, but I'll just

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<v Speaker 1>give the first two paragraphs theez Eldon. I told Senator

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<v Speaker 1>Sheldon White club today that I won't be listening to

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<v Speaker 1>or caring about any of his lessons on morality, knowing

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<v Speaker 1>that he joined an all white Rhode Island country club. Boom,

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<v Speaker 1>that's me saying boom. Next paragraph. I'm also done with

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<v Speaker 1>the likes of aoc Al Gore, John Kerry and the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the line ball that made stupid climate predictions.

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<v Speaker 1>I put it stupid like Lucretia does under tens of

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<v Speaker 1>billions of tax dollars, enriched their well connected allies, and

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<v Speaker 1>are committed to strangulating out of existence entire sectors of

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<v Speaker 1>our economy. It goes on from there in that same vein.

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<v Speaker 1>But darn it, this is the way we should have

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<v Speaker 1>been fighting for a long time, and now we're finally

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<v Speaker 1>doing it, and I think it's going to set the

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<v Speaker 1>present move forward.

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<v Speaker 2>You know your it's kind of like why John wins

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<v Speaker 2>every debate with everybody but us not because he knows

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<v Speaker 2>his facts, he knows the law, he knows how to

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<v Speaker 2>bring it.

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<v Speaker 3>And strangely doesn't work on this podcast, strangely because.

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<v Speaker 2>We know the facts and the law and the esotericism.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's have a very quick ad break here

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<v Speaker 1>because we have to to make it work with our format,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll come back in just a moment, So don't

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<v Speaker 1>go away, everybody, all right, time for our lightning round.

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<v Speaker 1>And I looked up at the news this week and thought, gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out that Anthony Fauci really did need that

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<v Speaker 1>pardon from President Biden. Take it away, Lucretia.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's there's there's several aspects to the story, one

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<v Speaker 2>of which is the fact that it's pretty clear that

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<v Speaker 2>Fauci and his minions were responsible, along with the Chinese,

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<v Speaker 2>for producing the virus and accidentally letting it go. They

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<v Speaker 2>tried to hide that through emails, and one of Fauci's

640
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<v Speaker 2>somebody assistants has been indicted on it. But then there's

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<v Speaker 2>the other side of it, which is the cover up

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<v Speaker 2>within the scientific the federal establishment, scientific community of the

643
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<v Speaker 2>fact that the vaccine itself can't even call it a vaccine,

644
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<v Speaker 2>but they did was turning out to be incredibly dangerous

645
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<v Speaker 2>that there were, you know, that the data were proving

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<v Speaker 2>that people were not just getting all the other things

647
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<v Speaker 2>we know happened to them, but dying suddenly. And there's

648
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<v Speaker 2>massive emails now that where they talk about how they're

649
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<v Speaker 2>not going to put any of these things in emails

650
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<v Speaker 2>anymore because otherwise they're going to be foyer requests. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's just it's all so despicable when you look at

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<v Speaker 2>the mandates and the crap that came out of the

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<v Speaker 2>disinterred by mouth about you know, the winter and then

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<v Speaker 2>the all you people that are going to make us

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<v Speaker 2>die because you're not getting a vaccine that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>keep us from getting sick from you. You know, none

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<v Speaker 2>of it even made sense, but they shut down every

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<v Speaker 2>possible person who might have any credibility questioning that so

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<v Speaker 2>much so that you know, my my university and I'll

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<v Speaker 2>lightning round, you know, I'll be done. My university was

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<v Speaker 2>led at the time by a man for whom I

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<v Speaker 2>have great respect, world renowned cardiac surgeon. He knew what

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<v Speaker 2>was going on, was BS he absolutely knew. He tried

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<v Speaker 2>to push back at the beginning and then completely folded,

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<v Speaker 2>completely folded, as did the dean of the medical school.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, at the beginning of fall twenty twenty, the

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<v Speaker 2>thing we need to do is let all these students

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<v Speaker 2>come in, have their parties, get as drunk as possible,

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<v Speaker 2>do everything that students do, get over it, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we'll be fine. But instead, of course, you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>went through the jont anyway, so that and I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to add one last quick thing, and that is the

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<v Speaker 2>whole business that we have also known about about the

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<v Speaker 2>Biden administration's persecution of traditional Christians.

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<v Speaker 1>That didn't right, go ahead, well, I mean yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean we knew during while Biden was in office. We

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<v Speaker 1>knew that they were harassing Catholics and putting got documents saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the Catholic Church is a subversive, extremist organization

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<v Speaker 1>and until the new pope started criticizing Trump and now

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<v Speaker 1>they love them. But the point is now we're getting

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<v Speaker 1>some additional details and I haven't mastered them. But a

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<v Speaker 1>question for John is if there's documentary evidence and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you could depose some of these people in Justice Department

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<v Speaker 1>that they really did have an animus against certain Christian

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<v Speaker 1>denominations and Christian organizations. Are they vulnerable to any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of civil rights or civil liberties lawsuits, criminal or civil.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have an opinion? Are you following any of

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<v Speaker 1>this at all?

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<v Speaker 3>John, And I mean I saw the report that was

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<v Speaker 3>issued by the Justice Department this week which suggests that

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<v Speaker 3>the Biden administration just sort of systematically, across multiple cabinet agencies,

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<v Speaker 3>was almost deliberately trampling on the civil you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>right to free exercise of religion, and particularly with against Christians.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that they could be prosecuted for it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it is illegal to deprive people of their

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<v Speaker 3>constitutional rights. What they're going to say, I assume is

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<v Speaker 3>that we don't believe that the Constitution requires what you

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<v Speaker 3>think it requires. So we just had a different good

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<v Speaker 3>faith view that the constitutional right to free exercise is

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<v Speaker 3>much narrower than what you think it is. Or it

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<v Speaker 3>might have been that the laws changed in the Supreme

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<v Speaker 3>Courts broad in it. So I think you could kind

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<v Speaker 3>of bring us you could bring to civil I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think criminal work at all. You could bring civil, but

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<v Speaker 3>I think they would be hard to win. Also, generally

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<v Speaker 3>federal officers have immunity from lawsuit for damages options except

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<v Speaker 3>in very narrow circumstances, and so you know, like you

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<v Speaker 3>would have to show that this was a clearly established

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<v Speaker 3>right and that the government. So I think it's really

710
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<v Speaker 3>hard to win cases like this. So it's called it's

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<v Speaker 3>called Biven's action, is what we call it. I remember

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<v Speaker 3>that's the case where the government, the Supreme War did

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<v Speaker 3>allow lawsuits for against FBI agents for violating your right

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<v Speaker 3>against search and illegal search and seizure. But the court

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<v Speaker 3>has really chipped away of Biden Biven sorry creature, which

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<v Speaker 3>it was called Biden's but in the Bivns case over

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<v Speaker 3>the years to make it really hard to bring these

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<v Speaker 3>kind of cases. So I think the main punishment is

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<v Speaker 3>the political process, you know, oversight hearings and making clear

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<v Speaker 3>who did it and why they did it, and it'll

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<v Speaker 3>have an electoral effect, which I think it did have

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<v Speaker 3>an electoral effect, you know, going for liberty for being right,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, some kind of seditious group and or hate group.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's the main remedy of I think fortunately,

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<v Speaker 3>actually I think it's better for it to be a

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<v Speaker 3>political result rather than.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, just one sentence. I would like to see a

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<v Speaker 1>hearing where they're pressed on the question of I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to hear you explain why you thought it was a

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<v Speaker 1>good faith effort to say you don't like people of faith.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be a good boo opening, Cracia.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I actually heard you're the only other person who

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<v Speaker 2>gets as much FaceTime on legal issues as you on Fox.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's Jonathan Turley today talking about this very thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the things he said was that it's

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<v Speaker 2>really much worse than you're you're hearing because they went

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<v Speaker 2>so far as to do things to say that a

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<v Speaker 2>Christian family who wanted to adopt or foster a child

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<v Speaker 2>that their religious beliefs were per se all problematic because

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't, for instance, embrace transgender rights and all of

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<v Speaker 2>these other things. And I wanted to actually ask John though,

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<v Speaker 2>as I recall, the court has never been quite as

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<v Speaker 2>strong as it should be on the idea that think

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<v Speaker 2>about some of the Colorado cases and the cake Maker.

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<v Speaker 2>I know he won every time, but he didn't win

746
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<v Speaker 2>any astounding victories. That's how they managed to keep taking

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<v Speaker 2>him back to court. The idea that you would not

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<v Speaker 2>have an absolute free exercise right based upon history and tradition,

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<v Speaker 2>along with the you know, the First Amendment Free exercise

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<v Speaker 2>clause to say I believe that marriage is between a

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<v Speaker 2>man and a woman. I believed X, Y, and Z

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<v Speaker 2>and and in order to practice my faith, if I

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<v Speaker 2>want to adopt a child, this is the way I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to raise them. And and the state has no

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<v Speaker 2>right to tell me that this other trendy thing that

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<v Speaker 2>they're all in favor of, all of a sudden supersedes

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<v Speaker 2>my First Amendment free exercise rights. Yeah, as clear as

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<v Speaker 2>they should.

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<v Speaker 3>Am I wrong? I agree with the Biden administration to

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<v Speaker 3>I think what their defense is going to be is, well,

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<v Speaker 3>you know there's this case called Smith, right, that's oh,

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<v Speaker 3>the government is allowed to pursue these generally applicable policies

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<v Speaker 3>and they're not targeting religion, so they was I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't. I actually Smith is wrong, and I think eventually,

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<v Speaker 3>of course can overrule it. But Biden's the bite puple say, look,

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<v Speaker 3>we can't be prosecuted, we can't be suitsivilly because we

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<v Speaker 3>understood Smith to mean that this was okay, that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we weren't singling out religion. We're just saying religious groups,

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<v Speaker 3>you have to follow our transgender policies that we apply

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<v Speaker 3>to everybody, right, Like, that's that's gonna be argument that

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<v Speaker 3>I think the courts would be sympathetic, even though they

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<v Speaker 3>just I think a lot of the judges would disagree

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<v Speaker 3>with the way they went about it because they're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>biden people say we didn't single out religion. We just

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<v Speaker 3>wanted everybody to follow right transgender policy.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, all right, yes, right now, one last issue

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<v Speaker 1>before we have to head to a close. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I am probably guilty of thinking that wokery peaked a

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<v Speaker 1>few years ago and is on the decline, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least on the defensive. And certainly the Trump administration has

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<v Speaker 1>been trying very hard to beat down on DEI and

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<v Speaker 1>all the rest of it. But I'm not sure I'm

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<v Speaker 1>right about that if I did say that, And the

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<v Speaker 1>data points just from this week are severalfold. First well,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, general proposition, A lot of what went

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<v Speaker 1>by WOKERI and defund the police and all the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of that has now transmographied into the anti semitism that's

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<v Speaker 1>overtaken the Democratic Party in a big way. Lead that

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<v Speaker 1>aside for the moment. But this week we've saw a

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<v Speaker 1>New York Times editorial or an op ed article praising

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<v Speaker 1>micro looting. Right, we're back to the you know, no,

792
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<v Speaker 1>that's what it was, called micro looting. And then there's

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<v Speaker 1>this Hassan Piker guy who's apparently very popular on social media.

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<v Speaker 1>I've paid no attention to him, but he had a

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<v Speaker 1>moment on the New York Times podcast where he set

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<v Speaker 1>some really way out there stuff, equivocating about whether the

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<v Speaker 1>CEO of the United Health deserved to be murdered a

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<v Speaker 1>few months ago. You have this cram plot and that

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<v Speaker 1>we deserve nine to eleven, he said, lots about horrible stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You have this grand Platner guy in Maine who has

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<v Speaker 1>chased the governor out of the Senate race. The governor

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<v Speaker 1>hand picked really by Chuck Schumer to be a credible

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<v Speaker 1>candidate against Susan Collins, which is probably right, and this

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<v Speaker 1>guy's way out there, we'll just stipulate that. And then

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<v Speaker 1>finally there's the Trump they would be Trump assassin from

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<v Speaker 1>last weekend. And you know, some of these other assassins

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<v Speaker 1>look like they were, you know, kind of wacko people,

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<v Speaker 1>but this guy's manifesto sounds like the talking point of

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<v Speaker 1>every show on MS now and what many Democratic politicians say,

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<v Speaker 1>or even the New York Times columns, right, And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sitting here thinking, Ah, this, this suggests to me that

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<v Speaker 1>this is so deeply rooted. It's not going to go away,

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<v Speaker 1>but just one term of Trump, it's going to come

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<v Speaker 1>back with a vengeance, especially if you have some wacko

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<v Speaker 1>when the presidential election in twenty twenty eight, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think is the possibility. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I do think that there's actually a deeper

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<v Speaker 2>issue there. Steve kind of ties it all together, and

819
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<v Speaker 2>that is that because there is so much Trump arrangement

820
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<v Speaker 2>syndrome out there, that the left has been more successful

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<v Speaker 2>at reaching so many more people with the complete complicit

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<v Speaker 2>support of the media, that that it is going to

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<v Speaker 2>give wokery a more of a stronghold than it I

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<v Speaker 2>think it would otherwise have. I think the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four election was an indication that the average American is

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<v Speaker 2>way smarter than the average liberal, There's no doubt about that,

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<v Speaker 2>and certainly way smarter than the average progressive in Congress.

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<v Speaker 2>Of God, those people are dumb.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, Wait, you thought liberals are just more immoral,

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<v Speaker 3>not dumber.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, they've had to be stupid, you know, they'd

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<v Speaker 2>have to be stupid to believe the things that they

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<v Speaker 2>do and to believe everything that the media pushes out

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<v Speaker 2>at them. I mean, just think about the Deloro Zelden

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<v Speaker 2>back and forth. She's been in Congress for how long

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<v Speaker 2>and she doesn't know what the major Supreme Court opinions

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<v Speaker 2>about the administrative state and the powers of Congress and

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<v Speaker 2>all those other things that you know, Lee Zelden could

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<v Speaker 2>just pop off like that and she doesn't even know that.

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<v Speaker 2>She doesn't bother she's not even embarrassed to pretend she

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't know them, you know, I mean, just anyway, So

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<v Speaker 2>I do think, by the way, I the TDS is

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<v Speaker 2>making what you're talking about a much more problematic kind

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<v Speaker 2>of thing, Steve, that's my point.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, okay, well I did think Zelden, who he was fantastic,

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<v Speaker 1>but I thought he had missed one opportunity because she

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<v Speaker 1>was saying, oh, you're like, you're not protecting the environment,

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah. He said, well, I don't have the legal authority. Two.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought the next sent should have been, this is,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, the people who do have the authority

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<v Speaker 1>to give us that authority. Are you in Congress, We

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<v Speaker 1>could do this if you will pass a statute that

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<v Speaker 1>would have had would have been an embarrassing moment for

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<v Speaker 1>but for another time probably. But what we want to

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<v Speaker 1>do is go to our last quick ad break, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we're going to go to our show clothes with

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of new features. So don't go away, We'll

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<v Speaker 1>be right back, all right, Lucretia, what levity does the

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<v Speaker 1>bee have or us today to letigate our spirits?

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<v Speaker 2>All of these are pertaining, op ed. If we stop

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<v Speaker 2>discriminating based on the color of people's skin, the racists

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<v Speaker 2>will have won. Democrats na inciting violence and say anyone

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<v Speaker 2>who thinks they do must be eliminated by any means necessary. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>now the liberals progressives are applauding the diversity of would

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<v Speaker 2>be Trump's assassins.

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<v Speaker 1>But jeez, back up, by the way the previous one.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you must know the story of the time

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<v Speaker 1>Professor Jaffa was in Voidier for a jury and one

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<v Speaker 1>of the lawyers are saying, I see that you're a professor.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you evaluate, say, the expert testimony of a

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<v Speaker 1>psychiatrist and Jaffa's answer was anyone who would believe the

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<v Speaker 1>testimony he've a psychiatrist, ought to have his head examined.

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<v Speaker 3>He was.

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<v Speaker 1>He was dismissed instantly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sorry, it's quite all right. Uh A nice commentary.

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<v Speaker 2>This one is a little bit personal, but very very

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<v Speaker 2>reflective of reality. Lucretia splits commute time between worshiping the

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<v Speaker 2>Lord Jesus Christ and cursing out bad drivers. And I

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<v Speaker 2>cannot tell you how true that is, even having like

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<v Speaker 2>Christian music playing. And then also, you know, especially in

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<v Speaker 2>my town with the old people. Okay, sorry it is

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<v Speaker 2>Is it too late? This is my favorite? Is it

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<v Speaker 2>too late to ask? Who this guy? Jerry mander is

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<v Speaker 2>Ky whispers to Clarence Thomas.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw that that was fun so great.

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<v Speaker 2>Pole Show's majority of Democrats believe Lincoln assassination stage. It's

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<v Speaker 2>so funny, you know. Anyway, I have to failed Assassinationmocrats

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<v Speaker 2>observed customary five minute pause on calling Trump hitler. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>the last two are a little bit. We didn't even

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<v Speaker 2>talk about this. John didn't accuse us again wrongly of

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<v Speaker 2>being Anglo files or something or you know, Monarka.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry monarch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Trump presents King Charles with gift of toothbrush.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh have you never seen Austin powers?

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<v Speaker 3>Well I did, but a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that was just the easy answer, Steve. That's nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, yeah, this totally.

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<v Speaker 2>Non political one. But for those of us who travel

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<v Speaker 2>in and out of Austin, not you anymore because you

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<v Speaker 2>have your own car there, John, but architect carefully designs

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<v Speaker 2>airport so rental car center is conveniently located seventy five

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<v Speaker 2>miles away.

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<v Speaker 1>That's yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Well, always drink your whiskey meat, buy more books

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<v Speaker 3>than Steve. You have a land grant, I mean land

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<v Speaker 3>acknowledgment grant.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I challenged AI to give us a land acknowledgement.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't happy with most of the results, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>one that's halfway good. You'll like it, John, as kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a law and econ version of it. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think we can adopt this for a while. We would

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<v Speaker 1>like to acknowledge that this land was once inhabited by

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<v Speaker 1>people who, regrettably for them, did not file the proper paperwork,

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<v Speaker 1>secure enforceable property rights, or develop a sufficiently aggressive zoning strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>Through a series of entirely peaceful, mutually beneficial, and definitely

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<v Speaker 1>not historically contentious transactions, stewardship of this land has been

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<v Speaker 1>transferred to its current, far more efficient custodians. We recognize

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<v Speaker 1>the original inhabitants deep connection to this land, a connection

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<v Speaker 1>we now honor through thoughtfully named subdivisions, artisanal coffee shops

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<v Speaker 1>and interpret plaques place just far enough from luxury parking

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<v Speaker 1>structures to avoid inconvenience. There's more to it, but I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like I love that one's free. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's not bad. But to sign off for good, you

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<v Speaker 1>have been listening to the three Whisky Happy Hour dedicated

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<v Speaker 1>to single malts, singular metaphysics, advanced Sydney swinging studies, and

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<v Speaker 1>other nonsense. I will just say, we really would like

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<v Speaker 1>it if you would give us a five star review

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<v Speaker 1>on Apple, iTunes and other places. But you know that

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<v Speaker 1>by now, so I want to say that every other

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<v Speaker 1>week or every third week.

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<v Speaker 5>But that's it for this week, by everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Ricochet joined the conversation, sh