Speaker 1: November twenty, twenty twenty four, allegedly according to that thing
Speaker 1: we call a calendar, this the o'celli effect, And I
Speaker 1: am live here on a Wednesday, Woden's Day, middle of
Speaker 1: the week. Now, I'm not going to do any more
Speaker 1: live shows until after I return from the Lancer Conference,
Speaker 1: which is on the twenty second this Friday, so you know,
Speaker 1: two days away. But I got to travel, so I
Speaker 1: need a little travel time. But I had to get
Speaker 1: this one in before I go. Why do I want
Speaker 1: to study the headlines with you today? Not really, because
Speaker 1: I got to tell you what I've been collecting in headlines.
Speaker 1: I'm not that enthusiastic about doing a news show, folks.
Speaker 1: I mean, really, you take a look at what's happening.
Speaker 1: Fox hosts are calling for Trump prosecutors to face the
Speaker 1: death penalty. Allegedly, Kamala Harris was an inauthentic lightweight who
Speaker 1: couldn't do the one thing politicians are supposed to be
Speaker 1: able to do.
Speaker 2: Speak.
Speaker 1: That's according to the Federalist. And if you were listening
Speaker 1: to my show this whole time, you know that's what
Speaker 1: I said about her. You know, regardless, objectively, whatever you
Speaker 1: think about the selection process or anything else. She was
Speaker 1: a useless candidate. So what was the point? That was
Speaker 1: the question I kept asking. But hey, the New Orleans Archdiocese,
Speaker 1: according to the Guardian, is agreeing to release secret files
Speaker 1: on clergy accused of child's sex abuse. Are you yawning yet?
Speaker 1: Is that a story? That seems to be the Mandela effect?
Speaker 1: It keeps repeating in your head. Society crumbling all over
Speaker 1: the place, of course it is. But what else is happening?
Speaker 2: Oh right?
Speaker 1: Allegedly allegedly now Russia's threatening us because the Americans are
Speaker 1: allowing the Ukrainians to launch weapons into Russia. That wasn't
Speaker 1: the case before. And a lot of people are starting
Speaker 1: to say I would like to kick off World War
Speaker 1: three before he wanders aimlessly out of the office. Is
Speaker 1: that a possibility? Is Trump going to be able to
Speaker 1: stop it? Are they going to blame it on Trump?
Speaker 1: If it goes further?
Speaker 2: What's going to happen next?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm waiting for a big flushing noise unless
Speaker 1: you think Elon Musk's technocratic utopia is about to take hold, right?
Speaker 1: I mean, Tesla's huge in China. How's that going to
Speaker 1: work out? In the Trump administration. Musk is talking about
Speaker 1: voluntary termination of government employees, and he's supposed to be
Speaker 1: in there as an efficiency guy. So I guess we'll
Speaker 1: have to stay tuned and see how that works. Hey,
Speaker 1: what about the tiktop flip flop? People wanted it gone
Speaker 1: because it was a Chinese spy tool. Now some people
Speaker 1: want it to stick around. And some of those people
Speaker 1: are the same people. And do you care about any
Speaker 1: of this crap? This is why I'm not talking about
Speaker 1: a news show.
Speaker 2: This is why I don't want to do it.
Speaker 1: Instead, we're going to talk about something that is constantly
Speaker 1: in the news, whether it's on the news or not.
Speaker 2: It's in the news.
Speaker 1: It's actually what's happening north East, West and south and EWS.
Speaker 1: It's actually what's going on in America, the drug war,
Speaker 1: the drug wars? How about that?
Speaker 2: Not just one? What's going on?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, some people want to talk about the
Speaker 1: opioid crisis, although you notice it was kind of absent
Speaker 1: from the campaign recently. I guess people stopped buying harrow
Speaker 1: in the past two years. People stopped buying oxy cotton
Speaker 1: in the past two years. Well, oxycotton might have been
Speaker 1: on a decline although one of those drug companies is
Speaker 1: selling a decent amount of it right now to pay
Speaker 1: off one of their lawsuits, which they might reverse on
Speaker 1: appeal pretty soon anyway. But do you care about any
Speaker 1: of that? I mean, you do if somebody you know died.
Speaker 1: But what about the rest of the drug war, the
Speaker 1: rest of the story, how it is being used as
Speaker 1: a sociological and psychological weapon against all of us, you, me, celebrities, everybody.
Speaker 1: John Potash, all right, has done incredible work on this before.
Speaker 1: But he's got a newer film out there, Okay, And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you I have my own description for it,
Speaker 1: but I'll read to you a description real quick here
Speaker 1: and let you know how it could be described, Okay,
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna give you my short version of it,
Speaker 1: and then we're going to talk to John tonight.
Speaker 2: So let's get on it, all right. What do we have?
Speaker 1: It? Is this sequel to the film Drugs, His weapons
Speaker 1: against us, the CIA war on musicians and activists. A
Speaker 1: matter of fact, just pausing from the description, I talked
Speaker 1: to John on this show a great deal about a
Speaker 1: bunch of interesting characters that he was the only one
Speaker 1: covering out there, discussing at length. We did hear about
Speaker 1: the Tupac case recently, KEPD and all that, and there
Speaker 1: might be somebody found out in the murder, et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera. But why, how about the why of it?
Speaker 1: What was Tupac's real danger to the establishment. John has
Speaker 1: a couple of ideas about it, But anyway back to
Speaker 1: this description, okay. The film continues focusing on US intelligence's
Speaker 1: use of drugs for social control and in the murderous
Speaker 1: targeting of activists. It particularly covers John Lennon, Kurt Cobain,
Speaker 1: and Tupac Shakor. The film further details the CIA's Project
Speaker 1: mk Ultra involvement with the Manson family regarding activists, actors,
Speaker 1: and the Black Panthers. It also details examples regarding US
Speaker 1: intelligence drugs and the anti war students for a Democratic Society.
Speaker 2: The film then discusses.
Speaker 1: The CIA's mk Ultra front group, the Human Ecology Fund continuation,
Speaker 1: along with Maryland's Catholic church sex abuse scandal featured in
Speaker 1: the Emmy nominated documentary series The Keepers. The DVD includes
Speaker 1: eighteen plus minutes of bonus scenes. Now, I saw the
Speaker 1: arms Line version of this, and it is like being barraged.
Speaker 1: Okay with every bizarre connection. I mean, I know some
Speaker 1: of you are not going to be fans of, say Tupac,
Speaker 1: but you might like Kurt Cobain, or you like Tupac.
Speaker 1: You like Tupac, but Kurt Cobain is noise to you.
Speaker 1: Depends on who you are, what your culture was like.
Speaker 1: But or maybe John Lennon, because you're one of the
Speaker 1: older guys that listens to this show. Maybe John Lennon
Speaker 1: is the big end all be all. He said he
Speaker 1: was bigger than Jesus, and certainly he was, And was
Speaker 1: he high on acid when he said it?
Speaker 2: What about that? Oh and by the way, I'm not
Speaker 2: somebody who's against LSD.
Speaker 1: Right, I discussed on this show my use of psilocybin
Speaker 1: to assist myself. But you know, just like any good
Speaker 1: tool out there, I mean, I'll tell you, even opioids
Speaker 1: are effective painkillers. They do a great deal of good
Speaker 1: when utilized properly. So can psilocybin. Oh well, see, I
Speaker 1: don't know about that chemical crap they slapped together in labs,
Speaker 1: but the natural stuff that comes out of the ground,
Speaker 1: opium itself, is an effective narcotic which can have a
Speaker 1: lot of good uses. But when it's turned against us
Speaker 1: as a weapon, when it's utilized and encouraged as a
Speaker 1: treatment for not the thing it's intended to do, when
Speaker 1: it's utilized to disrupt and disconnect and destroy communities, that's
Speaker 1: a whole other story, John. I know I gave a
Speaker 1: long introduction here, but I wanted to read that whole
Speaker 1: thing and give my own impression of this movie that
Speaker 1: I felt barraged with because you know, it's sort of
Speaker 1: got a comic edge to it. But I didn't find
Speaker 1: it funny because for once in a lifetime, all of
Speaker 1: the things that I could collect from other authors, other
Speaker 1: people who have talked about this, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: the Doug Valentines of the world, other people who have
Speaker 1: revealed and shown us things, whether it's about MK Ultra,
Speaker 1: Charles Manson, or it's about you know, and any of
Speaker 1: these separate things, you bring them all together into this
Speaker 1: Drugs are Us. I mean, it reminds me of toys
Speaker 1: r us and they are the toys of the elites,
Speaker 1: which is something that isn't mentioned in this descriptor here.
Speaker 1: What is it that the elites are actually doing? And
Speaker 1: you know, the elitist names you know, like the Rockefellers,
Speaker 1: et cetera. What are they doing in regards to the
Speaker 1: drug war, of course, and then what do they do
Speaker 1: with it afterwards? What are they established with that money?
Speaker 1: Where do things go? Kind of shocking unless you've been
Speaker 1: reading about this from about fifty different sources previously. And
Speaker 1: even then, you bring up things in this film that
Speaker 1: I doubt anybody. I mean, you know, maybe a guy
Speaker 1: like Doug Valentine would look at me and go, yeah,
Speaker 1: I knew this already, you know, but a lot of
Speaker 1: other people who haven't studied pop culture, who haven't studied
Speaker 1: you know again, diverse music, diverse cultural influences, diverse government
Speaker 1: influences here, diverse elitist influences. You're bringing together a hell
Speaker 1: of a lot of different things here, and it is
Speaker 1: an amazing mosaic. So, first off, how you doing tonight?
Speaker 1: But this is what we're going to talk about.
Speaker 3: Great, Thanks so much for that all that, Chuck, and
Speaker 3: it's great to be talking with you again.
Speaker 4: And yeah, the the last third of the.
Speaker 3: Film about the Maryland church sex abuse scandal, which I
Speaker 3: imply and you know, show the evidence of that could
Speaker 3: really apply to the whole country's church sex abuse scandals
Speaker 3: because they're really you know, attorney generals have come out
Speaker 3: with this stuff in a number of different states. Now,
Speaker 3: you know, from Massachusetts people might have seen the film
Speaker 3: about that, or Pennsylvania or now the latest one was Illinois,
Speaker 3: which came out right after I finished writing the script
Speaker 3: for my film. So so it's really all over the country.
Speaker 3: But I had an in on that because of the
Speaker 3: fact I'm a trauma you know, I'm a psychotherapist for
Speaker 3: a living. It's my day job. And uh a special
Speaker 3: specialty is trauma. And I worked with some father father
Speaker 3: Joseph mascul victims that were featured in the you know,
Speaker 3: Emmy nominated film The Keeper nominated docuseries The Keepers. They
Speaker 3: featured your father Joseph Maskel and his horrible you know,
Speaker 3: abuse of tons of women and you know girls in
Speaker 3: this school, in this Catholic school. And and so I
Speaker 3: actually my neighborhood is one neighborhood over is where this
Speaker 3: school is, where father Mascal did that. And so I've
Speaker 3: seen the counseled victims of him. I counseled victims of
Speaker 3: other priests here and when I and also you know,
Speaker 3: being as you know, a serious M culture researcher. When
Speaker 3: I saw the documentary film The Keepers, I sent evidence
Speaker 3: over to Gemma Hoskins Elites as an investigator of that,
Speaker 3: and just showed her evidence that this is like, you know,
Speaker 3: likely tied to MK ultra and I suggested she you know,
Speaker 3: investigate more if she'd like.
Speaker 4: So she started a.
Speaker 3: Podcast where she reinterviewed a lot of the our friends
Speaker 3: or victims, you know, when she went to high school
Speaker 3: with these victims of father Joseph Mascal.
Speaker 4: She reinterviewed a lot.
Speaker 3: Of them for her podcasts and got the from them
Speaker 3: their testimony, you know, showing that yes, they used all
Speaker 3: these M culture tactics, I mean, Joseph Maskel and these
Speaker 3: other priests use M culture tactics against them and drugs, hypnosis,
Speaker 3: and they were worried, you know, they believed they were programmed,
Speaker 3: you know, to carry out deeds of a some kind
Speaker 3: of other you know entity, a US Intelligence type entity
Speaker 3: they were using.
Speaker 4: And she talked to I took her up with this.
Speaker 3: I gave her the name of an expert M culture
Speaker 3: expert psychiatrist who had gone through personally gone through all
Speaker 3: the twenty thousand documents and could cite parts of the
Speaker 3: documents where you know, what these victims testimony related to.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the only part that's like brand new that
Speaker 3: I believe that you know, hasn't really come out before.
Speaker 3: But nonetheless, I'm glad you've you're aware of a lot
Speaker 3: of stuff, and you know, because you've introduced so many
Speaker 3: people that are you know, have researched thoroughly the cis
Speaker 3: trafficking of drugs and researched M culture like myself, and
Speaker 3: you know, so this is a story that basically, yeah,
Speaker 3: it does try that My film does try to.
Speaker 4: Encompass it all because it is a sequel.
Speaker 3: It's the original presentation of the story of M culture
Speaker 3: of drugs and Weapons against Us. My first film based
Speaker 3: on my book of the same name. And I just
Speaker 3: I thought when I saw a new information coming out
Speaker 3: about Kurt Cobain, you know, Kurt Cobain's death and Tupac
Speaker 3: Shakor's death, you know, after his death, and came out
Speaker 3: with the book when Tupac Shakor and uh and then
Speaker 3: you know this second book.
Speaker 4: One, two Bucks Scored Drugs, Weapons against Us.
Speaker 3: The first one was if there weren't two Bucks, scorn
Speaker 3: and Black leaders and and then came out with the
Speaker 3: you know this two films. I just thought, Okay, now
Speaker 3: they all of a sudden are saying that they you know,
Speaker 3: arrested in the culprit for his murder, which was a joke.
Speaker 4: You know, is you know, I show that how it's
Speaker 4: a joke in the film. The guy that you know
Speaker 4: really you know, pointed.
Speaker 3: To this guy as the culprit for two bucks murder
Speaker 3: is just shown lying in my film, and and I
Speaker 3: show him him lying and people you know, pointing out
Speaker 3: the lies, and how he bribed a guy that the
Speaker 3: top witness who they arrested to say what he said,
Speaker 3: you know, basically bribed him with getting off of a
Speaker 3: huge drug charge and I'd go to prison. And so
Speaker 3: that's some of the new stuff that I needed to
Speaker 3: follow up one to make you make a sequel to
Speaker 3: the drugs weapons against this film. But and then of
Speaker 3: course there's all that this new stuff with the Manson family,
Speaker 3: with tom O doing this great research, twenty years of research.
Speaker 3: It started as a Premier magazine feature article on the
Speaker 3: Manson family twenty years later became the book Chaos that
Speaker 3: he came out with, and I showed clips of him,
Speaker 3: of course, and Joe Rogan explaining the book explaining how
Speaker 3: he got the CIA M cilture director Sidney Gottlieb's letters
Speaker 3: to doctor Julian Jollian West and doctor you know Jolly
Speaker 3: and West was.
Speaker 4: The guy that had interviewed.
Speaker 3: Jack Ruby after he shot and killed Lee Harvey Oswald,
Speaker 3: who was you know, was blamed for the assassination of
Speaker 3: President Kennedy, President John Kennedy.
Speaker 2: And let me let me.
Speaker 1: Pause you there for a second, John, because there is
Speaker 1: an important fact that I don't remember if it was
Speaker 1: in your film, but is worthy of mention here. See,
Speaker 1: Ruby for many years was making some wild statements. At
Speaker 1: a certain point, he at first was kind of of it,
Speaker 1: you know, when he shot and Melvin Bell eye or whatever.
Speaker 1: He tried to claim that he had had, you know,
Speaker 1: some sort of epileptic response to all the lights and
Speaker 1: all this other nonsense, and claimed that it was sort
Speaker 1: of a seizure and this is why Ruby had acted
Speaker 1: strangely and all that. But the truth is Ruby starts
Speaker 1: acting really crazy, stating that people are being murdered outside
Speaker 1: of the prison, that he's hearing all kinds of crazy
Speaker 1: things outside, that they're literally slaughtering children outside of the
Speaker 1: prison cell, which you know is right on the street
Speaker 1: there in Dallas, and he's saying that that's going on.
Speaker 1: He's sticking his fingers into light sockets, trying to commit suicide,
Speaker 1: bashing his head up against the wall. And here's the
Speaker 1: funny part. Only did he start behaving this way after
Speaker 1: guess who visited him? Yeah, okay, And this is not
Speaker 1: the only instance where we know about it.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I got a.
Speaker 1: Hold of summ of Tom O'Neill's files. I did a
Speaker 1: whole special on Vince Booglio and what kind of a
Speaker 1: scumbag he was.
Speaker 2: By the way, I know.
Speaker 1: Everybody, you know, it's not like I'm siding with the
Speaker 1: Manson family here, but you know, corruption goes all directions
Speaker 1: here in that case. And Vince Boogliosi, you know, he's
Speaker 1: dead now, but hopefully sitting somewhere in hell considering you know,
Speaker 1: he's throwing pregnant women downstairs that he knocked up and
Speaker 1: everything else. And Tom O'Neill discovered all this, you know,
Speaker 1: in his study wild stuff. One time he kidnapped somebody's
Speaker 1: child and dropped him back off at the house. You know,
Speaker 1: took him to a toy store, bought toys and dropped
Speaker 1: them off at the house as a way of just
Speaker 1: showing him, you know, I can get to your child.
Speaker 1: Because he was under this belief that this guy was
Speaker 1: sleeping with his wife. Weird stuff went on with Boogliosi. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to sidetrack yet. I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: these stories, the deeper you go, the stranger they get.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, and when it comes to Jolly West,
Speaker 1: this guy's all over the place. He's you know, Sir
Speaker 1: Hans Saran, you can find him near there. He's all
Speaker 1: over the Manson family's all over other criminals. He shows
Speaker 1: up around Jack Ruby. Gee, just coincidentally, right, you know,
Speaker 1: And these people always end up acting out in very
Speaker 1: bizarre ways that one might say, you know, if I
Speaker 1: just told you the guy was like really heavily dosed
Speaker 1: on narcotics, you'd say, oh, well, that explains a lot
Speaker 1: of what just went on here. And Jack Ruby is
Speaker 1: a prime example of that, Okay, Glad John. So I
Speaker 1: just wanted to point that out because you know, you're
Speaker 1: in you're in my wheelhouse there with Jack Ruby, and
Speaker 1: I found it amazing that all these crazy behaviors that
Speaker 1: Ruby starts, you know, which people talked about for years,
Speaker 1: where he was saying weird things and talking about dark,
Speaker 1: shadowy things that were going on, and he started to
Speaker 1: get really paranoid and again he's bashing his head up
Speaker 1: against the wall and all these kind of things he
Speaker 1: was doing. And then he dies of cancer, you know,
Speaker 1: in sixty eight. But you know, and people have their
Speaker 1: questions about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because them Culture did have I mean they say
Speaker 3: in them Culture papers that they think they've found the
Speaker 3: way to cause you know, quick acting cancer with you know,
Speaker 3: certain hypercarcinogens that you know, they developed in the m
Speaker 3: Kulture Project and culture you know, the CIA project, which
Speaker 3: is the umbrella project for one hundred and forty nine
Speaker 3: other subprojects. And you know, now I don't get into
Speaker 3: Ruby seriously in the in this film, because I do
Speaker 3: talk about them in my book Drugs and Weapons against Us,
Speaker 3: and but in this film it's just the key is
Speaker 3: doctor Jilliam West had perfected the use of hypnosis and drugs.
Speaker 3: It's in the letters or Neil found in the letters
Speaker 3: to you know, cause people to do what they know
Speaker 3: the CIA wanted them to do. And that's what Manson
Speaker 3: you know, was part of and that's what they helped
Speaker 3: Manson calls and all these girls, the whole Manson family
Speaker 3: kept visiting doctor West at the half Mac the hate
Speaker 3: Ashbury Free Medical Clinic for about six months. They were
Speaker 3: visiting them almost every day, you know, they say at
Speaker 3: least once a week, but often daily. And and that's
Speaker 3: you know what that was a CIA project, you know
Speaker 3: obviously because the letters were going back and forth between
Speaker 3: the mkal TRA director and doctor Jolly West while he
Speaker 3: had an office at he'd Ashbury Free Michael Clinic. And
Speaker 3: and so that's where they got hypnotized, you know, most
Speaker 3: like again they used the drugs on him.
Speaker 4: He perfected that. But with Sir Hansor Hand, I have.
Speaker 3: A a doctor, doctor William Bryant admitting that with enough
Speaker 3: drugs and enough of gnosis in time, you could get
Speaker 3: someone to do anything he wanted.
Speaker 4: And so it's you know, this is some.
Speaker 3: Of those CIA projects and how they killed these you
Speaker 3: know political leaders that were against the war and uh,
Speaker 3: we're for civil rights and and some of these you know,
Speaker 3: great activists that were leading the activist group that were
Speaker 3: doing good work to you know, go against the Vietnam
Speaker 3: War and go against wars today even I think, you know,
Speaker 3: it goes all the way up to today because because
Speaker 3: all these projects, I want to just say, some of
Speaker 3: these whistleblowers that were involved in the FBI's counter intelligence program,
Speaker 3: which was an overlapping program with m KILT, they basically
Speaker 3: said the whistleblowers from those programs, like Wes Swearing and
Speaker 3: says that even though I was a Cotent tel proagent
Speaker 3: in the sixties, is supposedly stopped in seventy one, but
Speaker 3: it never did stop. They just changed the names and
Speaker 3: kept it going until I at least until I came
Speaker 3: out with my memoir in the mid nineteen nineties. And
Speaker 3: so you know, they all whistleblowers from these programs do
Speaker 3: say they continue till today.
Speaker 4: And so that's the sad fact, is just under different names.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's the thing. They are under different names.
Speaker 1: Like when people talk about, you know, today's MK Ultra project,
Speaker 1: I say, well, that's a convenient way to label it,
Speaker 1: but that's not the name of it anymore. It's obviously
Speaker 1: not that you know, we wouldn't even know the details
Speaker 1: about this had not somebody forgot to destroy the financial documents. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, that's one thing Dollis forgot to clean up,
Speaker 1: was the financial documents. Otherwise we would have never been
Speaker 1: able to reconstruct this. But either way, these programs have
Speaker 1: continued under different names with different heads, but some of
Speaker 1: those same actors stay in place as well. Like when
Speaker 1: did they shut down that clinic that you were just
Speaker 1: talking about, Because there was a.
Speaker 3: Clinic that that's the funny coincidence there. It's not obviously
Speaker 3: it's not a coincidence, but yeah, they just closed that
Speaker 3: down within weeks of after maybe maybe a couple of
Speaker 3: months or so, after Tom O'Neill's book came out, you know,
Speaker 3: exposing that that clinic that he asked for a free
Speaker 3: medical clinic, so, you know, and Joe Rogan said, you know,
Speaker 3: what are the odds? Has been fifty years, sixty years,
Speaker 3: and they suddenly closed it down if Tom O'Neil's book
Speaker 3: comes out, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, well, look, I'm not a huge fan of Rogan,
Speaker 1: but broken Clocks and all, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: he got that one right, because it's wild and look,
Speaker 1: there are a variety of things going on here, right
Speaker 1: there is the general attack on the culture, which doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily specifically target people, which is meant to you know,
Speaker 1: keep the population sick and bewildered.
Speaker 2: And busy with you know, junk.
Speaker 1: And like I said, I even I utilized psilocybin because
Speaker 1: I had a serious PTSD issue. I dosed myself, okay,
Speaker 1: and I was able to utilize that to reorganize some
Speaker 1: things in my mind. Okay.
Speaker 3: I didn't talk about psilocybin in my books and my
Speaker 3: films because I just haven't, you know, found the evidence
Speaker 3: that that was used the same way acid was.
Speaker 4: Acids very artificial, right, and much more dangerous.
Speaker 3: Psilocybin. I just haven't found that, So I didn't you
Speaker 3: discuss that. But MDMA ecstasy is problematic because it's u
Speaker 3: It definitely you know, messes with your brain in a
Speaker 3: bad way, you know, messes with memory in a bad way.
Speaker 4: So that's very problematic.
Speaker 3: And that's one of the few things the FDA got right,
Speaker 3: I think, is I believe they didn't allow that to
Speaker 3: pass because yeah, PTSD is terrible, and if psilocybin helps it, great,
Speaker 3: but MDMA or ecstasy or mally they call it now,
Speaker 3: is not the right answer. And EMDR eye movement to
Speaker 3: sensitization reprocessing is actually the least and masive way to
Speaker 3: cure PTSD is because I've used it for the last
Speaker 3: ten years, I've found great results for PTSD is.
Speaker 4: Along with you know many other EMDR therapists.
Speaker 1: No, and look, I'm not even recommending what I'm saying
Speaker 1: I did for myself. I just state that it was
Speaker 1: a big help because I was getting crushed by this.
Speaker 1: I mean I had gone through and again it's trauma
Speaker 1: based stuff. And that's the thing is that some of
Speaker 1: us have been traumatized just in general life. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't claim to be targeted by MK ultra, but
Speaker 1: believe me, I had a traumatic childhood. You know, the
Speaker 1: chapter that I wrote and I'm still working on my book,
Speaker 1: but the chapter I wrote in the book is that
Speaker 1: you know, the the drug war has child soldiers. Because
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's how I count where it is.
Speaker 1: I came through my trauma based programming. That wasn't targeting me.
Speaker 1: It's not like they came after me, but they went
Speaker 1: after a generation this way.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definitely, So you.
Speaker 1: Know generating like there is a reason why Generation X
Speaker 1: is not the big player on the political scene, is
Speaker 1: not that. I'm serious. If you notice we stayed home.
Speaker 1: You know, why were the the boomers arguing with the
Speaker 1: new generation? Right, the X just stayed home?
Speaker 3: Because I don't I think your generation X, and I'm
Speaker 3: Generation X John Stewart's generation X, I don't think we
Speaker 3: stayed home. I mean, I'm fifty nine, and you know,
Speaker 3: I think you're doing great stuff chuck with your you
Speaker 3: know podcast. I'd like to think I'm you know, where
Speaker 3: you're having an effect. I'm having affect a little effect.
Speaker 3: But the effect with my books and films, John Stewart
Speaker 3: and just having great generation I'm saying, not saying it's
Speaker 3: the greatest. But he did a good job of getting
Speaker 3: some you know, more anti war you know, maybe uh
Speaker 3: pro civil rights in some way ideas out in a
Speaker 3: comic way, right, And so I don't, Yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: think we totally stayed at home, though I do think
Speaker 3: we might have been traumatized by the old drug war.
Speaker 3: I agree, you know, but we were all introduced to
Speaker 3: so many drugs.
Speaker 4: I have no doubt about that. You know.
Speaker 1: So and you also covered the Vietnam War of the
Speaker 1: Golden Triangle, and you know, and that's something I always
Speaker 1: bring up because people talk about this, you know, opioid crisis,
Speaker 1: or they used to.
Speaker 2: They stop now.
Speaker 1: But if you notice a couple of years ago when
Speaker 1: they were talking about it, they were talking about it
Speaker 1: like it was brand new.
Speaker 2: And I'm saying to myself, my whole life, the opioid
Speaker 2: crisis has been going on.
Speaker 1: It's just that when I was I mean, I was
Speaker 1: taught to mix and distribute heroin when I was less
Speaker 1: than ten years old.
Speaker 4: You know, so to deal what you deal with that,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And the stuff sold just fine. It was nice and cheap,
Speaker 2: it was nice and quiet.
Speaker 1: Of course, the crack thing went through and ripped apart
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of places in the country. That did
Speaker 1: a lot more damage to the black community, I think
Speaker 1: than any other.
Speaker 2: But either way, these drugs have.
Speaker 1: Been constantly utilized and targeted against society in general. So
Speaker 1: you know, you have the collateral damage, so to speak,
Speaker 1: people like say me, not being targeted, and then you
Speaker 1: have celebrities, people of influence who are targeted. Why because
Speaker 1: then they will spread the problem among the rest of
Speaker 1: the masses. And I mean, starting with John Lennon, you know,
Speaker 1: that's a hell of a thing to say. But you know,
Speaker 1: is that really the reason why US intelligence was all
Speaker 1: over John Lennon, you know, so talk to me about that.
Speaker 2: For a minute.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I think the populous was that. I
Speaker 3: think we were part of the target too. I mean
Speaker 3: not as directly, of course as these celebrities, but these celebrities,
Speaker 3: I argue, like John Lennon, you know, so, so basically,
Speaker 3: the Vietnam War, you know, started in the uh, early
Speaker 3: mid sixties, basically the mid sixties, will say, just for
Speaker 3: and and the increase in heroin coming into the United
Speaker 3: States paralleled the increase in the war in Vietnam. And
Speaker 3: that was no coincidence, of course, because as you said,
Speaker 3: Golden Triangle area best place to produce opium and heroin,
Speaker 3: and that you know, I have ci whistleblower saying how
Speaker 3: it came into the United States from that area, and
Speaker 3: you know, and increased, uh, you know, to control basically
Speaker 3: for a lot of different reasons, to make money, but
Speaker 3: also for social control, to control of the populace because
Speaker 3: when you haven't you know, people with addictions and or
Speaker 3: people selling you know, the drug, which is usually both
Speaker 3: it ruins communities.
Speaker 4: And that's what they were doing and you know, at first.
Speaker 3: They targeted black communities, but it was definitely targeting white
Speaker 3: communities too, and it was a huge population of people
Speaker 3: being targeted in that way. But they use these celebrities
Speaker 3: like John Lennon to help promote the drug, inadvertently promote
Speaker 3: the drugs. And so I show the evidence that the
Speaker 3: CIA M Culture Assistant Director Robert Lashbrook Ernest Hemingway's editor A. Hotschner,
Speaker 3: came out with the book about the sixties blown Away,
Speaker 3: where he says that A Hotchner the I mean so
Speaker 3: that Robert Lashbook, Assistant M Culture director, came over to
Speaker 3: London with tons of acid and tons of agents and
Speaker 3: tons of money and directed the agents to get LSD
Speaker 3: acid in as many musicians hands as possible.
Speaker 4: And I argue it was partly to get them to
Speaker 4: inadvertently promote the drug to others, because you know, we
Speaker 4: all loved everyone you know, looked at like the Beatles
Speaker 4: or the Rolling Stones, et cetera.
Speaker 3: And you know, so who someone you know doses John
Speaker 3: Lennon and George Harrison for them to get their first
Speaker 3: hit of acid. They put in their coffee without them
Speaker 3: knowing it, and it was joy Harrison's dentist did that
Speaker 3: to them, and John Lennon George Harrison was furious and
Speaker 3: George Harrison didn't even.
Speaker 4: Know what elles D was at the time.
Speaker 3: And so then they had an undercover agent name believe
Speaker 3: his name is Rob Scheiderman or David Schneiderman, who was
Speaker 3: the British Daily Mail newspaper, said that he was both
Speaker 3: an m I five which is British FBI, and an
Speaker 3: undercover FBI agent at the same time. The snyder Man
Speaker 3: and he convinced Mick Jagger in nineteen sixty seven to
Speaker 3: try his first acid, and so they basically used them
Speaker 3: to do this to promote this drug inadvertently. And when
Speaker 3: John Lennon to you know, by nineteen sixty seven or so,
Speaker 3: he said, he thought he was losing his mind on acid,
Speaker 3: so he stopped. He stopped, he said, for about two years.
Speaker 3: But then two people in an interview with jam you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: Win owner of the Rolling Stone started Rolling Stone magazine.
Speaker 3: He said that his publicist and you know go both
Speaker 3: convinced him to get you start taking acid again. And
Speaker 3: so this is these are some of the people that
Speaker 3: I show evidence that we're under cover agents in his life,
Speaker 3: trying to get him to keep promoting acid to the
Speaker 3: masses to quell you know, hurt people's minds, hurt you
Speaker 3: young people's minds who were involved getting more and more
Speaker 3: in mouth in the anti war movement.
Speaker 4: And so then you got him. Then Yoko, according.
Speaker 3: To you know, I didn't have this in my first film,
Speaker 3: because it came out in a book after I came
Speaker 3: out with my first film, you know, booking film Drugs's
Speaker 3: Weapons against Us. But a close friend who was a
Speaker 3: journalist was friends with Yoko, and John said that Yoko
Speaker 3: introduced John to heroin and it was the same thing
Speaker 3: to get John to inadvertently promote heroin to all his fans,
Speaker 3: and and so it's really ugly, you know that that happened.
Speaker 3: But then, of course when he got sobered, when he
Speaker 3: sobered up and got more into activism again, anti war
Speaker 3: activism and pro civil rights activism, he had you know,
Speaker 3: Bobby seal of the founder of the National Black Panther
Speaker 3: Party on a uh, you know TV program. He was
Speaker 3: a guest host, I think from MERV Griffin at one point.
Speaker 4: And so John Lennon was you know, so radical about.
Speaker 3: The politics, and when he sobered up and got more
Speaker 3: into the politics again, they they did away with him.
Speaker 4: You know, they have best evidences that CIA.
Speaker 3: Just undercover agent basically was working at the Dakota Apartments,
Speaker 3: his Dakota apartments as a doorman that night when Mark
Speaker 3: David Chadman took a gun and let loose, you know,
Speaker 3: fired at him, and they say the best evience is
Speaker 3: that there was a backup shooter, which was that CIA.
Speaker 3: Jose San Jernis Perdomo was a former pigs veteran of
Speaker 3: you know, the former Cuban exile worked.
Speaker 5: For the CIA.
Speaker 3: And this came out with a guy and Phil Strongman
Speaker 3: came out this evidence of that and all the best
Speaker 3: events of that, and he's a noted music journalists in
Speaker 3: England and he came out with that in his book
Speaker 3: about John Lennon. And so that's just some of the
Speaker 3: new evidence I felt like needed to get out there,
Speaker 3: you know, and why they use these musicians inadvertently to
Speaker 3: promote these drugs and then when they serve it up
Speaker 3: and started getting more into activism, they were done away with.
Speaker 4: And well it's sad aspect of it all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And look, even if you don't have a heavy
Speaker 1: amount of activism when you just see the potential for it, right,
Speaker 1: it can sometimes spark this kind of reaction. Now here's
Speaker 1: a weirder story, Hank Harrison, And like, I was almost
Speaker 1: surprised that I didn't see more mentions of say, the
Speaker 1: Grateful Dead in some of your stuff, because I used
Speaker 1: to know a couple of people that you know, got
Speaker 1: into that. And believe me, that was like the acid culture.
Speaker 4: You know, it was actually good as as a particular
Speaker 4: reason for.
Speaker 3: That, and I'll tell you in a moment agoing.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is is that Hank Harrison I think of,
Speaker 1: you know again, because I.
Speaker 2: Interviewed him shortly before he died, you know, not long ago.
Speaker 1: And the thing was that, I mean, he got into
Speaker 1: some weird stuff and he started calling me just before
Speaker 1: he passed away, Like the week he passed away, he
Speaker 1: was calling me, leaving me messages telling me that he
Speaker 1: needed to get something out that was important. And I
Speaker 1: still don't know what it is. But you know, for
Speaker 1: listeners who don't know or don't remember, Hank Harrison is
Speaker 1: you know, Courtney Love's biological father, right, but he was
Speaker 1: also the road manager for The Grateful Dead, and he
Speaker 1: was heavily influential in a whole lot of this culture.
Speaker 1: And I got to tell you that, honestly, after speaking
Speaker 1: with him on air off air, I don't know what
Speaker 1: to make of Hank Harrison, right, And even though I
Speaker 1: mean he was clearly a brilliant guy. He had a
Speaker 1: lot of intelligence. He was very creative stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I even was virtually they invited me to
Speaker 1: go on the Zoom for his memorial service. They held
Speaker 1: right so because I was one of the last people
Speaker 1: still in contact with him, and this and that, and
Speaker 1: it was it was so strange. But anyway, why do
Speaker 1: I bring this up? Because Courtney Love is like the
Speaker 1: way better Yoko when she goes in and somehow gets
Speaker 1: Kurt into using the heroine. Now, look, people that wind
Speaker 1: up using drugs, you know, for repetition, it's usually because
Speaker 1: there is either a physical pain or a psychological pain
Speaker 1: which is constant, and that is usually why they're seeking
Speaker 1: to you know that that old phrase self medicating. And
Speaker 1: I'm not big on the psychiatric industry because the psychiatric industry,
Speaker 1: in my mind, has done a lot more harm than good.
Speaker 1: In all honesty, I know you're a therapist and whatnot,
Speaker 1: but I agree with you. So here's the thing, though,
Speaker 1: is that people that are in search of something to
Speaker 1: stop the pain again, whether it's emotional or you want
Speaker 1: to call it spiritual, or it's physical. And in Kurt's case,
Speaker 1: I think it was spiritual and physical. You know, there
Speaker 1: was something sad inside of him, but there was also
Speaker 1: a physical pain. He had stomach problems and you know,
Speaker 1: believe me, if you're constantly because I went through a
Speaker 1: time period of bad stomach issues, it will shut down everything.
Speaker 2: If your guts are killing.
Speaker 1: You, you know, And he finds heroin, Heroin will work again.
Speaker 1: Opium is you know, heroin is opium based. And thanks
Speaker 1: Bear Aspiring Company for introducing you know, heroin to the
Speaker 1: people because you know why they wanted to get people
Speaker 1: off of morphine. That was the answer to get him
Speaker 1: off of morphine, right, it was the non addictive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: heroin was the non addictive you know. That's why it
Speaker 1: should be no surprise that oxycotton was a non addictive drug. Also,
Speaker 1: you know, when they got their right FDA guy in place.
Speaker 2: But that's the story for another time. Back to it,
Speaker 2: the influence of court plans.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you bringing that up. For my film.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, well see here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Long before it was in your film, I've been talking
Speaker 1: about this, right because because to me, the opium war
Speaker 1: so to speak, has never stopped. It keeps changing form.
Speaker 1: They keep reintroducing it, they keep repackaging it. And opium
Speaker 1: is a wonderful control mechanism. Is it a useful narcotic? Yes,
Speaker 1: it can be used to take care of things. I mean,
Speaker 1: you got to admit it does kill pain when applied,
Speaker 1: you know, and stuff like that. You know, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: And I had a problem. I was hooked onto pain
Speaker 1: killers for a while because I had bad back injury,
Speaker 1: and I got hooked on painkillers, and you know, I
Speaker 1: thought I was going to die trying to come off
Speaker 1: with those things. It's very similar to heroin withdrawal. It's
Speaker 1: basically the same thing, anyway, It's a synthetic version of it.
Speaker 2: So hooray. You know, I was on a.
Speaker 1: Percocet's oxy cotton and anything else I could buy on
Speaker 1: the street at that point because I couldn't get enough
Speaker 1: for my doctors, right, but I got medically addicted anyway.
Speaker 1: That's the thing though, is that Kurt basically did that,
Speaker 1: except he had a little more access because he had
Speaker 1: you know, some friendly doctors, like a lot of these
Speaker 1: stars get and he had Courtney helping him get stuff.
Speaker 1: And she's there. Now this whole weird thing. Think about this, though, guys.
Speaker 1: Is that Hank Harrison who is connected to the Grateful
Speaker 1: Dead and he's like this way out guy. Courtney Love
Speaker 1: has this crazy background, which you know, let's not forget.
Speaker 1: She's also Nancy Sponging in the movie said Nancy right
Speaker 1: before she's with Kurt. You know, she has a weird
Speaker 1: life where she's you know, traveled to some other countries,
Speaker 1: been around organized criminals, been around a lot of destructive
Speaker 1: and interesting people in the intelligence agencies.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: Her prostitution in these Asian countries, including for the Japanese mafia, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: as a teenager, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then she shows up and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm Kurt Cobain's wife. Now, you know, like I don't
Speaker 1: even know how to approach Francis Bean or whatever. She's
Speaker 1: come out on uh, you know, on social media in
Speaker 1: the in the past few years a bit, and you know,
Speaker 1: talk to a few people, but I don't think she's
Speaker 1: really looking to do interviews. Uh, but you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know what to make of Francis either or what's
Speaker 1: gone on there. But you know, the one thing about
Speaker 1: Hank is that, even though he's a suspicious character, right, uh,
Speaker 1: he was just screaming up and down basically that Kurtney
Speaker 1: killed you know, uh, you know, Kurt Courtney killed Kurt.
Speaker 1: I said Kurtney, Well, Courtney killed Kurt. Sorry, And I
Speaker 1: can believe that. I've definitely seen a lot of weird evidence.
Speaker 1: But again, it's this broken trail of strangeness and her
Speaker 1: influence over him. And meanwhile, that's a completely different uh
Speaker 1: you know, a social figure or whatever than John Lennon,
Speaker 1: let's say, although it's probably still in the white community.
Speaker 1: So you know, we're gonna have to touch on Tupac
Speaker 1: before we're done. But I mean, what about that. I mean,
Speaker 1: do you think people I missed the boat on that
Speaker 1: because they've gotten too involved in the murder mystery end
Speaker 1: of it, or.
Speaker 4: You yeah, well I think they Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's it's scary to talk about
Speaker 3: that aspect of it. But when you know, there's certain
Speaker 3: podcasters that cover uh you know, Courtney killing Kurt up
Speaker 3: a storm, and uh, they're they're like censored when they
Speaker 3: when they interviewed me. And thankfully though they've finally broken
Speaker 3: through that censorship and gotten you know, our interview up there,
Speaker 3: and people accepted it quickly. They're like that makes sense,
Speaker 3: you know, because you know the situation with Hank. You know,
Speaker 3: Hank is not I couldn't you know, I read his
Speaker 3: He sent me a PDF version of his book before
Speaker 3: he came out with that. He sent it to like
Speaker 3: a uh, you know, a certain amount of people before
Speaker 3: he came out with in paperback form and the PDF
Speaker 3: he had the CIA, he said, the letter letter from
Speaker 3: the CIA, he had that, that know, the Guy O'Leary,
Speaker 3: Stephen O'Leary letter, you know, who kind of guided Courtney
Speaker 3: when she was seventeen years old, had just come into Ireland.
Speaker 3: He you know, he got he slept with her, then
Speaker 3: guide her through London and through Liverpool to the music
Speaker 3: scene in Liverpool which with all these rising you know musicians,
Speaker 3: alternative and rock musicians that were going to get big,
Speaker 3: you know, like at a Man and the Pogues, et cetera.
Speaker 4: And how she just brought a.
Speaker 3: Thousand hits of acid, really strong acid over there, just
Speaker 3: like you know, Robert Lashbrook did in the sixties. And
Speaker 3: she has distributed to all these musicians and also you
Speaker 3: know a number of other drugs, you know, narcotics and
Speaker 3: other things. And she duplicated that behavior throughout the punk
Speaker 3: music scenes of arising in the United States, Portland, in
Speaker 3: Los Angeles and Los Angeles. She married the top punk
Speaker 3: rocker and and he just thought he was marrying, you know,
Speaker 3: he said this, this left wing you know, punk musician herself,
Speaker 3: the Courtney. And it turns out he felt he was
Speaker 3: married to Phillis Diller, this right wing Philis Diller, who
Speaker 3: was you know, he says, you said, told her him
Speaker 3: that she slept with army generals in Alaska, and they
Speaker 3: told her that, you know, explained why wars are good
Speaker 3: for us, and so you know, she's pro war, and
Speaker 3: so she was just a mess and she could hire hitman,
Speaker 3: you know, thugs to beat him up when he didn't
Speaker 3: he didn't do what she said. So he just divorced
Speaker 3: her guy as far away from her as possible. But
Speaker 3: then she finds, you know, finds Kurt and clings to hymns. Now,
Speaker 3: with Harrison's testimony, all he said in his book. I
Speaker 3: just read it very carefully to key points out of it,
Speaker 3: and I said, you know, can you you know, show
Speaker 3: me backup evidence for some of this. And I searched
Speaker 3: for backup evidence for as much of it as possible,
Speaker 3: and only included that, you know, that stuff from him
Speaker 3: that had backup evidence. And that's why I, you know,
Speaker 3: relied on some of the key stuff he had there,
Speaker 3: that word gems. And he does have a lot of
Speaker 3: very interesting information that I didn't include in my book
Speaker 3: and film just because for space reasons most likely, but nonetheless,
Speaker 3: you know, it's just he was on the scene in
Speaker 3: a big way, researching himself too, and that's great to
Speaker 3: have that firsthand evidence that this Stephen O'Leary, you know,
Speaker 3: when his deathbed, says, I, you know, I wasn't a
Speaker 3: spy per se, but I had to report to the
Speaker 3: US embassy in Ireland, you know, once a week and
Speaker 3: give a report.
Speaker 4: So obviously, yes, he was part of the US intelligence.
Speaker 3: And so he you know, he copies Robert lashbook and
Speaker 3: guiding this seventeen year old you know, supposed groupie Courtney
Speaker 3: Love throughout the music scenes in England, and he says
Speaker 3: he got helped, you know, Hank said that a guy
Speaker 3: named Kevin O'Leary, his brother was was helped, was there
Speaker 3: guiding this you know situation too, And so it's just
Speaker 3: a you know, so I found the obituary that had
Speaker 3: Stephen O'Leary's death when Hank Harrison said, and the area
Speaker 3: of the of the country, Minnesota where Hank Harrison said,
Speaker 3: And there's Kevin O'Leary's brother in the obituary.
Speaker 4: So it could be just a coincidence.
Speaker 3: But there's Courtney Love in you know, in the last
Speaker 3: five or ten years, you know, being caught with Kevin O'Leary.
Speaker 3: You know, what's he doing, what she's doing, hanging out
Speaker 3: with shark tanks, Kevin O'Leary, And there are film you know,
Speaker 3: the pap Rozzi has them on film, you know, hanging
Speaker 3: out or you're asking are you dating and stuff.
Speaker 4: So I don't know if it's the same Kevin Oilary,
Speaker 4: but it.
Speaker 3: Sure is an interesting coincidence and makes it look like
Speaker 3: that this Kevin O'Leary could be her handler, but you know,
Speaker 3: who knows for sure. It's just it's a lot of
Speaker 3: evidence that Courtney Love is being handled by you know,
Speaker 3: members of you know, us of US intelligence to keep
Speaker 3: doing whatever she's doing in that community, and then where
Speaker 3: she ends up next, she ends up when Jeffrey Epstein's
Speaker 3: you know, Little Black Book is one of the only
Speaker 3: females in his Little Black Book that has major prominence
Speaker 3: that was a material witness to to the actual crimes
Speaker 3: of you know, sexual abuse of minors.
Speaker 4: And that's what you know he was.
Speaker 3: So she was starred in that way by you know,
Speaker 3: the attorneys that were representing some of the victims.
Speaker 2: Normally that you know John.
Speaker 1: Not only that, but there's a good handful of West
Speaker 1: Coast musicians right who had encountered her during that time
Speaker 1: when she was in California, when she was in uh,
Speaker 1: Oregon and uh and stuff like this in Washington.
Speaker 2: Uh. And you know a lot of them refused to talk.
Speaker 1: Uh. Like you probably recall a guy named Jack Blood
Speaker 1: who used to do this kind of show.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And you know he's since stopped, he's gone back to
Speaker 1: just being a musician, and he's out there in Seattle
Speaker 1: and he's doing his thing.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: But but he was at the old media thing for
Speaker 1: many years. I'm sure you spoke to him at some point.
Speaker 4: He at one time was Yeah.
Speaker 1: Jack Blood at one time he was her roommate. He
Speaker 1: was a roommate with Courtney Love. Would not talk about
Speaker 1: the details of that ever in public. A bunch of
Speaker 1: other guys that I knew just because I was a
Speaker 1: musician in the nineties, they would not talk about their
Speaker 1: interactions with her.
Speaker 2: Weirdest thing I ever saw.
Speaker 1: Like usually, if you know a musician and they've been
Speaker 1: in touch with or in the orbit of or the
Speaker 1: universe as somebody who's famous, they want to tell you
Speaker 1: every story possible about they hung out with them to
Speaker 1: do this, They d had this party, they did this
Speaker 1: drug with him, whatever. But they tell you everything. When
Speaker 1: it comes to her, I don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the weirdest thing that I personally experienced.
Speaker 1: Plus Hank, you know, he said a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: again that I can't verify, But man if I could
Speaker 1: verify half of some of the stuff he said to
Speaker 1: me off air, I mean it's out there, John, you know,
Speaker 1: it's pretty out there. I mean the stuff he's saying
Speaker 1: about his own daughter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, I mean he used to manage
Speaker 3: the Great Dead when they were the Warlocks, I guess,
Speaker 3: But he said that you know that they were actually,
Speaker 3: you know, dealing heroin, he believes, is my understanding.
Speaker 4: I think I heard he came out without that in
Speaker 4: a book, but I can't. I can't remember if I
Speaker 4: can verify that.
Speaker 3: But either way, they you know, someone told me that
Speaker 3: he was an acid dealer, and he guys acid from
Speaker 3: the top, he said, from the dead, directly from the
Speaker 3: grateful Dead.
Speaker 4: But you know that's just some of it all.
Speaker 1: But yeah, she's, well, you did tell me you would
Speaker 1: explain to me why you don't mention the Grateful Dead
Speaker 1: so much?
Speaker 2: Could could you do that now?
Speaker 1: Because I'm curious now, like why why is it? I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that's the biggest acid related you know, recording
Speaker 1: artist in history.
Speaker 3: I insinuate a lot in my book, but but my
Speaker 3: publisher very means well, but he uh, he just he's
Speaker 3: a big Grateful Dead fan. And I used to be
Speaker 3: a big Grateful Dead fan, you know, when I was
Speaker 3: maybe a teenager stuff.
Speaker 4: But you know, when I.
Speaker 3: Found out that, you know what I just told you
Speaker 3: about the dead with the acid and stuff, and I
Speaker 3: just stopped being a fan. But they, you know, I
Speaker 3: just he because because he was such a big Grateful
Speaker 3: Dead fan.
Speaker 4: I was worried.
Speaker 3: Uh, he's a big you know, he's he's more positive
Speaker 3: about LSD and obviously I'm more negative of eloic D
Speaker 3: in my book. And we had back and forth about that,
Speaker 3: and you know, that was a hard thing.
Speaker 4: It wasn't easy to come out with my book.
Speaker 3: You know, you're bound to have some differences with editors
Speaker 3: that you know, you always probably do have different, you know,
Speaker 3: differences with your publisher.
Speaker 4: So you know, my publisher had this point of view.
Speaker 3: So I thought, like, I can't jeopardize this book coming
Speaker 3: out anymore. I gotta just be careful. You know how
Speaker 3: many people implicate. So I just had stuff only Grateful Dead.
Speaker 3: But I just I couldn't, you know, say anything more
Speaker 3: than I've said.
Speaker 1: Basically, do you think someday you might put it out
Speaker 1: in a film or something like in a short film
Speaker 1: or something like that.
Speaker 4: Well, I just yeah, I don't know. It's I don't
Speaker 4: know if I have enough for that.
Speaker 3: I just had enough maybe to add to maybe a
Speaker 3: chapter or something.
Speaker 4: But I think there's nothing.
Speaker 3: There's enough implied already with they had the first act tests,
Speaker 3: you know, they were holding the first asset test and
Speaker 3: there was loads of CIA undercover. You know, CIA people
Speaker 3: undercover at the acid tests.
Speaker 4: You know, what are they doing.
Speaker 3: They're traveling from Langley, Washington, all the way to San
Speaker 3: Francisco for these asset tests.
Speaker 4: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: You know, people like John Gittings are the top psychologist
Speaker 3: from kiltre Is undercover at the acetest with a grateful
Speaker 3: dead or the house band. It's pretty obvious, you know,
Speaker 3: it's I mean, it just implies enough right there.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 1: And you also talked about, you know, the strange scenes
Speaker 1: inside of Laurel Canyon there and a particular author that
Speaker 1: a lot of people like to bring up. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: and Maria Heller was a very good friend of his
Speaker 1: as well. Uh So I wonder if you wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to just talk about him a little bit before we
Speaker 1: get done. But also we got to touch on Tupac
Speaker 1: and then we'll be through a whole hour with no
Speaker 1: problem here. So yeah, so good, good, tell me about
Speaker 1: that a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yes, I appreciate you bringing up Dave McGowan because he
Speaker 3: I think he was a great writer, researcher, I mean,
Speaker 3: one of the best argue wall you know, with all
Speaker 3: his foresight, you know, considered supposedly the soonest person to
Speaker 3: implicate the you know, the US is, you know, carrying
Speaker 3: out the inside.
Speaker 4: Job on nine to eleven with the.
Speaker 3: World Trade Center and all. But mcgallan's h weird scenes
Speaker 3: inside the Canyon. I don't even think it's his best book,
Speaker 3: but it's it's the one that applies to my work
Speaker 3: so much, as does his other book, Program to Kill.
Speaker 3: But like, we couldn't really get into that because I
Speaker 3: had been doing the same research as him.
Speaker 4: But he, you know, he came out with things faster
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a great writer, and but so weird
Speaker 3: scenes sets up this.
Speaker 4: This uh you know, covers Low Canyon.
Speaker 3: How they instant rise of all these musicians and they
Speaker 3: all have ties to either you know, military intelligence and
Speaker 3: or the wealthiest oligarchs. David Osby being one of the
Speaker 3: top ones holding drug and sex parties to lure actors
Speaker 3: and musicians to these parties with these orgies and and
Speaker 3: drugs to turn them on to you know, all these
Speaker 3: different drugs get them.
Speaker 4: Using heroin, cocaine, and acid, and the Manson.
Speaker 3: Family by you know, late nineteen sixty seven, early nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty eight, they started becoming part of these parties. And
Speaker 3: here's all these hypnotized you know, dissociative likely girls, young
Speaker 3: girls having orgies with you know at these parties too.
Speaker 4: But anyways, the Manson family is part of all that living, you.
Speaker 3: Know at the Beach Boys Drummer's house and for six
Speaker 3: months and you know, in six early six, nineteen sixty eight,
Speaker 3: and so there's huge parties there.
Speaker 4: There's huge parties.
Speaker 3: Frank Zappa comes from his father worked for Edgewood Arsenal
Speaker 3: here in Maryland, which was part of m k Lture,
Speaker 3: the m culture project, you know, using involved in chemical warfare.
Speaker 3: And he's Zapp has recruited to go out to Lowal Canyon,
Speaker 3: made instant star and hold these these parties in regular parties.
Speaker 4: And the other one.
Speaker 3: Is phil Is Papa John Phillips, who is the most bizarre,
Speaker 3: you know, one of the most bizarre guys around. His
Speaker 3: father's military. He went to the Naval Academy, supposedly dropped out,
Speaker 3: but I argue you probably dropped out to do undercover work.
Speaker 3: He's uh he marries into uh John Quincy Adams like descendants,
Speaker 3: you know. He marries that woman, has a kid with
Speaker 3: her Mackenzie Phillips gets away from her, and then Mary
Speaker 3: gets hooked up with this bizarre woman who whose father's
Speaker 3: probably blamed for the Black dalue A murder. But this
Speaker 3: so him and this bizarre woman hold constant drug and
Speaker 3: sex parties, you know, for the stars in Lowell Canyon also,
Speaker 3: and so meanwhile, John Phillips is drugging his daughter McKenzie,
Speaker 3: who becomes a TV star for on One Day at
Speaker 3: a Time for us.
Speaker 4: You know who grew up in that age.
Speaker 3: You remember One Day at a Time, and you know
Speaker 3: it's one of the top shows on television. And he's
Speaker 3: you know, having sex with his daughter right before she
Speaker 3: gets married and for ten years after. So she's obviously
Speaker 3: a drugged out, sadly made dissociate type robot by him
Speaker 3: with all the drugs and crazy sex with her father.
Speaker 4: And it's just very sad story.
Speaker 3: But he, you know, this is a guy's you know,
Speaker 3: basically a predator monster doing these things. And so Dave
Speaker 3: mcgallan did great work in uncovering all this what was
Speaker 3: really going on in Laal Canyon, but he also covered
Speaker 3: how some of these guys like Barbara Sears, Rockefeller's cousin
Speaker 3: was a key player in that in that he had
Speaker 3: a he gave dance lessons and led all these groupie girls.
Speaker 4: He gave dance lessons to to go to all these bands.
Speaker 3: And meanwhile he wasn't using drugs at all, but he
Speaker 3: was using all the same techniques as Charles Manson was
Speaker 3: with his family. And it was just a you know,
Speaker 3: really interesting tons of parallels he shows in his book.
Speaker 3: I couldn't show him all on my film. And that's
Speaker 3: just some of that, you know, And I get into
Speaker 3: the fact that the whole Rockefeller family was helping fund
Speaker 3: m culture when when you know, Congress, when the government
Speaker 3: pulled out a little bit of funding for it, they
Speaker 3: step in and the Rockefeller Foundation would give lots of
Speaker 3: money to it, and so they were you know, this
Speaker 3: was there was a lot of parallels with what was
Speaker 3: going on, you know, with the CIA and funding, with
Speaker 3: the Rockefellers and with you know, then leading into what
Speaker 3: happened with Charles Manson and all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, getting then the same people are setting up method
Speaker 2: and clinics. By the way, a.
Speaker 1: Little while later, you know, after they introduced the heroin
Speaker 1: into the country. Now we'll also you know, they give
Speaker 1: you the problem, the reaction, and the solution in three
Speaker 1: drug stages, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: That's just it's put you in handcuffs. Have you come
Speaker 4: to a clinic every.
Speaker 3: Single day versus all the other countries you know that
Speaker 3: use subox and that you know is much much better
Speaker 3: you know, as a you know, for a medication for
Speaker 3: you know, OPI.
Speaker 4: The addiction, I mean, the best is getting off it completely.
Speaker 3: But if you put suboxon, it's definitely much superior to
Speaker 3: Method areic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it actually takes it out of your system. The
Speaker 1: thing with methodone is now you're addicted to the methodone
Speaker 1: or bupern x or whatever it is that they're giving you.
Speaker 2: Uh And and that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Those clinics still continue rather quietly all over the country.
Speaker 1: But to my understanding, it's the Rockepellers who set them up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1: So anyway, let's go to the last thing here, just
Speaker 1: real fast, and I don't mean to give short trip
Speaker 1: to it. But totally different cultural edge, right Tupac shakor.
Speaker 1: It's not about the drugs with tupac, although you know,
Speaker 1: some people argue, and I don't consider cannabis a drug,
Speaker 1: you know, especially in that culture. Cannabis is not a
Speaker 1: big deal to me at all. Uh, you know what,
Speaker 1: what is the worst thing that happens? It makes you
Speaker 1: a bit lazy and a bit stupid.
Speaker 3: Well, the only thing about weed is yeah, if you
Speaker 3: don't get addicted, it's not not a major issue unless
Speaker 3: they lace it with something that makes you that messes
Speaker 3: up your brain, which they have seen happen to a
Speaker 3: number of people.
Speaker 2: There's the problem.
Speaker 4: I was doing addictions counseling. Yeah, so that does happen,
Speaker 4: especially in the black community, but also I've seen some
Speaker 4: white people.
Speaker 3: It happened to some white people too, So they are
Speaker 3: putting something in the weed, you know, street weed.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it messes up some people's brains. But if you
Speaker 4: don't get addicted, it's a problem.
Speaker 3: But some some clients, my clients, you know, did get
Speaker 3: addicted to weed. Smoking every day. It hurts you know, obviously,
Speaker 3: it hurts grades. I mean, you know, it caused me
Speaker 3: almost to not graduate from high school when I was
Speaker 3: smoking weed every day my senior year. But I you know,
Speaker 3: it's just you know, so if you get developed a
Speaker 3: problem with it, it can you know, it can't make
Speaker 3: you lazier and turn you know, as I say, us
Speaker 3: into a bunch of housecats. But if you know, if
Speaker 3: you don't develop a problem with it, you're smoking every
Speaker 3: now and then and it's not lace. Yeah, no big
Speaker 3: deal really. But so Tupac, though, was such a dynamo
Speaker 3: in terms of energy and so brilliant and I had
Speaker 3: a photographic memory.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: He wrote hundreds and hundreds of songs before he died
Speaker 3: at the age of twenty five. He wrote book, you know,
Speaker 3: a book of poetry, wrote films, he wrote, he acted
Speaker 3: in six major you know film major movies released in theaters,
Speaker 3: did so much, put out so many albums. That's why
Speaker 3: he kept coming out. After he died, people thought he
Speaker 3: was still alive because he was just so you know,
Speaker 3: incredible and such an incredible writer, and he came out.
Speaker 3: He worked so incredibly hard, Like his assistant said that
Speaker 3: him and his mother were the same and that they
Speaker 3: worked twenty four hours a day, they barely slept.
Speaker 4: And that's just who he was.
Speaker 3: And so he before he became a rapper, he was
Speaker 3: actually head of the New African Panthers, who we were
Speaker 3: trying to replicate the Black Panthers, and they left that
Speaker 3: to join Digital underground and think could get out the
Speaker 3: activist message in a different way. And so he pretended
Speaker 3: to be a gangster in order to peel the gangs
Speaker 3: and put a size them, which is part of his
Speaker 3: Black Panther extended Families, per you know, plan to could
Speaker 3: get the black the leaders of the Bloods and the
Speaker 3: Crypts gangs to call peace truces and turn on too.
Speaker 3: Activism started in La spread throughout California and then spread
Speaker 3: throughout the country and Tupac was instrumental in that. And
Speaker 3: for that he was a big threat because he was
Speaker 3: taking so many street dealers off the street and stopping them,
Speaker 3: you know, from dealing drugs and but turning on to
Speaker 3: activism throughout the country. And for that that's the reason
Speaker 3: his life was so short and sadly enough.
Speaker 1: Well and also his family had been involved in, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, putting an end to a lot of the
Speaker 1: destructive stuff that was happening with drugs in his community.
Speaker 4: That mother one time leader of the Harlem Black Panthers.
Speaker 3: His father was Metulu Sha course starting acupuncture detox clinic
Speaker 3: in the Bronx, which was a pioneering clinic that's that
Speaker 3: tried to replicate itself throughout the country.
Speaker 4: I got trained in acupuncture detox there in the Bronx.
Speaker 3: Like you know, much later if well, Portmantulau was in prison,
Speaker 3: but they closed down that clinic and imprisoned him for
Speaker 3: his great activist work, sadly enough, and uh but the
Speaker 3: clinic kept going after you know, they closed it down.
Speaker 4: It reopened and uh, yeah, yeah, it's terrible.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna tell you what, guys.
Speaker 1: If you go to John Potash dot com, that's John
Speaker 1: you know, spelled like John is j O h N
Speaker 1: Potash p O T A s h Okay dot com
Speaker 1: John Potash one word then dot com. If you go there,
Speaker 1: right on the front page, you'll see, uh, the trailer
Speaker 1: I believe to the movie we're talking about, which is
Speaker 1: CIA Drugs Are Us Okay, And it's the sequel to
Speaker 1: that other movie, which I don't know what kind of
Speaker 1: distribution you got on that first one, but that first
Speaker 1: one I enjoy it. I have a DVD of it,
Speaker 1: and it is one of those things is it's like
Speaker 1: I sit back and I go, these are things.
Speaker 2: That need to be said. This is what needs to
Speaker 2: be known about this.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not just the toxic nature of pop culture,
Speaker 1: you know that eats people alive. Although it kind of
Speaker 1: does that too, you know, there is something to that,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I found it interesting too when you
Speaker 1: showed that that that clip of Chuck Berry and and
Speaker 1: John Lennon in the movie, which is funny because he
Speaker 1: had Bill Burr commenting on it. But I remember Howard
Speaker 1: Stern commenting on that probably thirty years earlier.
Speaker 4: You know, Bill Berry's He's great. I love Bill Berry.
Speaker 4: It's really funny.
Speaker 3: Chris Rocks in the film too, in my film too,
Speaker 3: And I think I love Chris Rock too. Oh yeah
Speaker 3: them in the film.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No, Chris Rock is great.
Speaker 1: Bill Burr is one of the funniest guys out there period.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love Dave Chappelle too, but you know,
Speaker 1: but these are the guys that I think are still
Speaker 1: on the cutting edge. But it's amazing some of the
Speaker 1: stuff that Bill Burr slips into his podcast and his
Speaker 1: stand up routine on occasion, because you know, he doesn't
Speaker 1: go too deep into the rabbit holes, but he lets
Speaker 1: you know that he's been there, you know, So I
Speaker 1: love that. Anyways, if you go to John Potash dot com,
Speaker 1: you can see this. It's available on two b Where
Speaker 1: else is the movie available if people want to go get.
Speaker 3: It, Yeah, it's on YouTube, movie rents, It's on ten
Speaker 3: other platforms, and you can you find them at John
Speaker 3: Podash dot com. But as for the DVD has the
Speaker 3: eighteen plus minutes of bonus scenes, and you can get
Speaker 3: that of course, on Amazon, at Barnes and Noble and
Speaker 3: Target actually, and even Walmart, believe it or not, dispause
Speaker 3: they sell on their website. I don't know if they
Speaker 3: doubt they sell in the stores, but it's nice that,
Speaker 3: you know, if you want to have avoid Amazon, you
Speaker 3: can get somewhere like Barnes and Noboard Target.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I would definitely suggest checking out anything other than Amazon, because.
Speaker 2: I think somebody needs to do a movie about that.
Speaker 1: But anyway, there needs to be an in depth movie
Speaker 1: about that, because it's getting darker and darker, and I
Speaker 1: got to tell you, I'm a little nervous about what
Speaker 1: we're about to face here, you know, regarding the changes.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm not a Trump fan. I wasn't
Speaker 1: sitting there telling you to vote for Harris either, because
Speaker 1: that was ridiculous.
Speaker 2: But I mean, you know.
Speaker 3: At least Trump was an anti war with this Ukraine business,
Speaker 3: and Biden is trying to go full throttle and start
Speaker 3: World War three, you know, before Trump gets into office.
Speaker 4: It's just absurd.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's the anti war part is very important
Speaker 3: to stop, you know, possibly having a nuclear war with Russia.
Speaker 2: See, I got you there.
Speaker 1: But I'm also a little nervous about how pro war
Speaker 1: he might be in Israel, you know, just saying just.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, hopefully he's not, but yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 2: You know, we we shall see.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. We're gonna have to stay tuned
Speaker 1: on all of this. But as we do, we can't
Speaker 1: allow society to be completely dominated and poisoned and destroyed
Speaker 1: by the other weapons which are trained against us. Because
Speaker 1: you know what, there's a whole lot of weapons on
Speaker 1: the planet, and there's a lot of ways they can
Speaker 1: be pointed at everyone. And indeed, the drugs are one weapon.
Speaker 1: There's psychological weapons. There is the material out there, there
Speaker 1: is the you know, the programming that is occurring here.
Speaker 1: You know they call TV programming programs and all that. Sure,
Speaker 1: but believe me, it didn't stop just because people have
Speaker 1: thrown out their TVs. Okay, the programming is still happening.
Speaker 1: And I know you know this, John, but I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that when they hobble us with the drugs and
Speaker 1: they weaken us with that, they make it, you know,
Speaker 1: almost necessary based on what it is you got to endure, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, you're also one of the few people
Speaker 1: who's had the courage to mention the boy Scouts in
Speaker 1: your movie too, by the way, so big up see
Speaker 1: you there, because a lot of people are afraid to
Speaker 1: even mention them anymore.
Speaker 2: You know that. I don't know what's going on with that,
Speaker 2: do you.
Speaker 4: That's strange. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like, look, Jeffrey Epstein is okay to mention okay,
Speaker 1: And you know you can talk about Harvey Weinstein and
Speaker 1: you can talk about these other sexual predators, but just
Speaker 1: stop talking about the boy Scouts.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is. Why is that happening anyway?
Speaker 1: I don't figure you're going to answer it, John, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, but it is really strange to me when
Speaker 1: I see musicians clamming up about Courtney Love, when I
Speaker 1: see the bizarre way that the mainstream media grabbed and
Speaker 1: picked up the Tupac story. Just this past year, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, all of a sudden headline news, it looks
Speaker 1: like there's going to be an arrest and oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, really really quietly, just by the way, the
Speaker 1: Malcolm X thing, they had to let those guys out
Speaker 1: of pre did you know that anyway?
Speaker 3: Right now, the three daughters are suing the CIA, FBI,
Speaker 3: and NYPD for collaboration and killing their father.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think they're going to try to replicate
Speaker 1: what happened in Memphis with the MLK killing, you know,
Speaker 1: where basically the government, the mob, everybody was kind of
Speaker 1: implicated in that civil trial, you know, in doctor King's assassination,
Speaker 1: which is funny that he didn't come up in your
Speaker 1: film too much because he's another anti Vietnam activist that
Speaker 1: you know, they threatened him with. You know, look, well
Speaker 1: they'll find you dead somewhere with a syringe in your arm.
Speaker 1: You know, you might commit suicide. Why don't you commit suicide?
Speaker 1: I mean they went after him with cointelpro.
Speaker 3: Right, and so he was more in my first book
Speaker 3: and then my first film, and then a little bit
Speaker 3: more for some of my drugs and weapons against this
Speaker 3: film too. But yeah, this film, I just thought, you know,
Speaker 3: I just kind of focus one of these other people
Speaker 3: that were more directly hit with the drug aspect of
Speaker 3: it all.
Speaker 1: But I'll warn you if you get this film and
Speaker 1: and you you know, you either buy a copy of it,
Speaker 1: or you download it, or you go to tub or
Speaker 1: whatever it is you choose to do, it is a
Speaker 1: barrage of information. Okay, I'm telling you, it's a barrage
Speaker 1: of information. There's a little bit of a sark downic
Speaker 1: sarcasm on occasion. By the way, I know you say
Speaker 1: in there somewhere that it's supposed to be comedic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Look, don't be offended by this. I don't
Speaker 1: find it funny.
Speaker 7: I hear you.
Speaker 4: It's dark. It's dark comedy. And I don't blame you
Speaker 4: for thinking, oh my god, this is so dark. You
Speaker 4: can't make fun of this stuff.
Speaker 1: No, but you know what, I get the joke, but
Speaker 1: I don't think it's funny. At the same time. I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there, but I'm saying to myself the whole time,
Speaker 1: while I'm listening to this, while I'm watching this go by,
Speaker 1: I'm saying to myself, thank God, somebody is putting this
Speaker 1: all in one place. Other people have taken some of
Speaker 1: these aspects John and they they've come out with you know, hey,
Speaker 1: here's my thing on MK Ultra, here's how this has
Speaker 1: gone on. You know, here's Jolly West. I mean, I
Speaker 1: did the thing on Jolly West. Even on this show.
Speaker 2: I did two.
Speaker 1: Parts, you know, and stuff like that. And and some
Speaker 1: of us have pulled together some interesting little pieces.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: But you literally cram all of this into this running barrage,
Speaker 1: which is amazing. And the point at the end of it,
Speaker 1: what is it that you want people to take away
Speaker 1: from this?
Speaker 2: That's my last question, and then we're going to close
Speaker 2: this out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I want people to take away the
Speaker 3: fact that they, you know, we can be independent thinkers
Speaker 3: and we can get outside.
Speaker 4: Of this drug haze and drug world that you.
Speaker 3: Know is trying to attack our minds and our bodies
Speaker 3: and our lives, and we can you know, uh parse
Speaker 3: it out and say we you know, we just resist it.
Speaker 3: And we can also you know, try to inform and
Speaker 3: educate musicians that they could attack you this way, they
Speaker 3: could try and I pH this way, and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: inform educate other activists that you know, we got resist
Speaker 3: and we got to be our sharpest to resist and
Speaker 3: we can't mess our brains up because they've got more
Speaker 3: money and they you know, but we've got the numbers
Speaker 3: and creative resistance can you know, work. And so you
Speaker 3: know a lot of these groups, SDS and the Panthers
Speaker 3: had some great creative resistance and they were you know,
Speaker 3: did achieve a lot despite being.
Speaker 4: Targeted and attacked.
Speaker 3: But they had you know, it helped to sober up first,
Speaker 3: you know, before they had some you know, even more effect,
Speaker 3: greater effect to stop wars, stop the Vietnam War for example,
Speaker 3: and you know, probably stopping wars you know, thereafter by
Speaker 3: being more elucid sober and using their creativity to do such.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 1: One live question came in connected to the TUPAC discussion.
Speaker 1: So I do want to throw it at you just
Speaker 1: before I close out, just to give give this listener
Speaker 1: is due because I think it's an interesting question connected
Speaker 1: to the two Bloc murder. Of course, is Biggie Small's right,
Speaker 1: is you know in the notorious Big Well you know
Speaker 1: in recent news his guy you know, puff Daddy right,
Speaker 1: Sean Combs, a guy whose hand I actually shook it
Speaker 1: one time in a weird situation. This guy has now
Speaker 1: gotten himself in a lot of trouble. Does it look
Speaker 1: like one of these kind of things that maybe if
Speaker 1: you started to dig into it you could find the
Speaker 1: same kind of connections, that's the question from the listener.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So in my book the FBI War on Tipoxicor, which
Speaker 3: has been republished a State Repression of Black Leaders, I
Speaker 3: do have a chapter when Puffy and you know now
Speaker 3: called Pete Diddy Sean Puffy Combs, he the FBI did
Speaker 3: target him for even though he was.
Speaker 4: Not he was a political for all this.
Speaker 3: And you know, I can't say I think he has
Speaker 3: a lot of talent, but they as a talent as
Speaker 3: a businessman obviously.
Speaker 4: But he did get political in the late nineties.
Speaker 3: He did try to join the hip hop summon Action Network,
Speaker 3: and I described that, and I describe how he was
Speaker 3: targeted for that. He was targeted with a like a
Speaker 3: you know, armed armed mugging at a party, right, and
Speaker 3: then he was they attempted. When I was living in
Speaker 3: New York, I heard the newscast newscaster, mainstream newscaster like
Speaker 3: Channel eleven or whatever it was, and the kind of
Speaker 3: thing where ABC News say that they spent new York
Speaker 3: spent the I mean, the New York prosecutor spent the
Speaker 3: most money ever to get a charge to you know,
Speaker 3: get a conviction for gun possession on Puff Daddy, on
Speaker 3: p Diddy and and so he was definitely targeted at
Speaker 3: that time for his political work because he was born.
Speaker 3: He was one of the chairs of the group you know,
Speaker 3: Hip Hop's an action network which had Columbia University professor
Speaker 3: Manning Marrable, the Democratic Socialist as part of that group,
Speaker 3: is on the chair, you know, on.
Speaker 4: The board of that group. It had.
Speaker 3: It got the top rappers involved in that group, you know,
Speaker 3: Eminem and Jays I forget all the others, but the
Speaker 3: really top rappers of the day, you know, fifty and so. Yes,
Speaker 3: I think it's certainly possible that he's definitely targeted.
Speaker 4: Then is he being targeted again?
Speaker 3: Now? I don't know, it's certainly possible. You can't trust
Speaker 3: the FBI when they say, okay, we found all this.
Speaker 3: Maybe he did have these things, or maybe he was
Speaker 3: compromised at some point, or they threatened him and they
Speaker 3: got to get him involved in things that we're carrying
Speaker 3: out and culture like parties.
Speaker 4: I don't know for sure.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry I haven't investigated enough, but that's just the
Speaker 3: bit I do know.
Speaker 1: Right, But that's one of those instances where again, you know,
Speaker 1: you dig hard enough on any of these things and
Speaker 1: it might be difficult to determine whether somebody is a
Speaker 1: victim or a predator or both in these circumstances, because that's.
Speaker 2: That's what happens.
Speaker 1: You know, they find that you have a proclivity, they
Speaker 1: go after it, they blackmail you with it. Next thing
Speaker 1: is you're working for them, and you.
Speaker 2: Never know where that goes.
Speaker 1: So anyway, John Potash dot com again, Drugs r US.
Speaker 1: That's the new film, and it is say again.
Speaker 3: It's the c I A Drugs or US. Some other
Speaker 3: people have thought it was just called Drugs or US.
Speaker 3: But CIA Drugs are US, right.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, c I A Drugs are US. My mistake there,
Speaker 1: but definitely John Potash dot com, p O T A.
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Speaker 1: one word dot com. Go there, check out the trailer,
Speaker 1: get the DVD. I bet you that at extra minutes
Speaker 1: will be worth it too. Anyway, I appreciate it, and
Speaker 1: I appreciate all of you, So.
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