WEBVTT 1 00:00:14.960 --> 00:00:18.960 November twenty, twenty twenty four, allegedly according to that thing 2 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:22.079 we call a calendar, this the o'celli effect, And I 3 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:25.239 am live here on a Wednesday, Woden's Day, middle of 4 00:00:25.280 --> 00:00:28.600 the week. Now, I'm not going to do any more 5 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:31.800 live shows until after I return from the Lancer Conference, 6 00:00:31.879 --> 00:00:35.039 which is on the twenty second this Friday, so you know, 7 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:36.960 two days away. But I got to travel, so I 8 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:39.960 need a little travel time. But I had to get 9 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:43.159 this one in before I go. Why do I want 10 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:45.799 to study the headlines with you today? Not really, because 11 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:47.920 I got to tell you what I've been collecting in headlines. 12 00:00:48.399 --> 00:00:51.039 I'm not that enthusiastic about doing a news show, folks. 13 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:54.159 I mean, really, you take a look at what's happening. 14 00:00:55.560 --> 00:00:58.600 Fox hosts are calling for Trump prosecutors to face the 15 00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:03.920 death penalty. Allegedly, Kamala Harris was an inauthentic lightweight who 16 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:06.719 couldn't do the one thing politicians are supposed to be 17 00:01:06.840 --> 00:01:07.480 able to do. 18 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:08.040 Speak. 19 00:01:08.920 --> 00:01:11.879 That's according to the Federalist. And if you were listening 20 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:14.480 to my show this whole time, you know that's what 21 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:18.599 I said about her. You know, regardless, objectively, whatever you 22 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:21.439 think about the selection process or anything else. She was 23 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:25.280 a useless candidate. So what was the point? That was 24 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:28.840 the question I kept asking. But hey, the New Orleans Archdiocese, 25 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:32.640 according to the Guardian, is agreeing to release secret files 26 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:36.840 on clergy accused of child's sex abuse. Are you yawning yet? 27 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:39.879 Is that a story? That seems to be the Mandela effect? 28 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:43.120 It keeps repeating in your head. Society crumbling all over 29 00:01:43.159 --> 00:01:46.439 the place, of course it is. But what else is happening? 30 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:47.400 Oh right? 31 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:52.719 Allegedly allegedly now Russia's threatening us because the Americans are 32 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:57.000 allowing the Ukrainians to launch weapons into Russia. That wasn't 33 00:01:57.000 --> 00:01:59.599 the case before. And a lot of people are starting 34 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:01.560 to say I would like to kick off World War 35 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:06.480 three before he wanders aimlessly out of the office. Is 36 00:02:06.519 --> 00:02:08.599 that a possibility? Is Trump going to be able to 37 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:11.199 stop it? Are they going to blame it on Trump? 38 00:02:11.280 --> 00:02:12.159 If it goes further? 39 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:13.560 What's going to happen next? 40 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:18.039 You know, I'm waiting for a big flushing noise unless 41 00:02:18.080 --> 00:02:22.840 you think Elon Musk's technocratic utopia is about to take hold, right? 42 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:25.560 I mean, Tesla's huge in China. How's that going to 43 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:29.599 work out? In the Trump administration. Musk is talking about 44 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:33.280 voluntary termination of government employees, and he's supposed to be 45 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:36.199 in there as an efficiency guy. So I guess we'll 46 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:38.479 have to stay tuned and see how that works. Hey, 47 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:42.360 what about the tiktop flip flop? People wanted it gone 48 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:44.680 because it was a Chinese spy tool. Now some people 49 00:02:44.719 --> 00:02:46.960 want it to stick around. And some of those people 50 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:49.800 are the same people. And do you care about any 51 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:51.639 of this crap? This is why I'm not talking about 52 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:52.199 a news show. 53 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:54.719 This is why I don't want to do it. 54 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:58.159 Instead, we're going to talk about something that is constantly 55 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:00.639 in the news, whether it's on the news or not. 56 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:01.879 It's in the news. 57 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:06.000 It's actually what's happening north East, West and south and EWS. 58 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:09.159 It's actually what's going on in America, the drug war, 59 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:12.719 the drug wars? How about that? 60 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:15.400 Not just one? What's going on? 61 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:17.719 Well, you know, some people want to talk about the 62 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:20.319 opioid crisis, although you notice it was kind of absent 63 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:23.199 from the campaign recently. I guess people stopped buying harrow 64 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:26.680 in the past two years. People stopped buying oxy cotton 65 00:03:26.680 --> 00:03:28.639 in the past two years. Well, oxycotton might have been 66 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:31.840 on a decline although one of those drug companies is 67 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:33.560 selling a decent amount of it right now to pay 68 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:36.159 off one of their lawsuits, which they might reverse on 69 00:03:36.199 --> 00:03:39.520 appeal pretty soon anyway. But do you care about any 70 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:41.879 of that? I mean, you do if somebody you know died. 71 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:44.560 But what about the rest of the drug war, the 72 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:46.879 rest of the story, how it is being used as 73 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:54.479 a sociological and psychological weapon against all of us, you, me, celebrities, everybody. 74 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:59.560 John Potash, all right, has done incredible work on this before. 75 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:03.759 But he's got a newer film out there, Okay, And 76 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:06.759 I'll tell you I have my own description for it, 77 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:10.319 but I'll read to you a description real quick here 78 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:14.639 and let you know how it could be described, Okay, 79 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:16.879 and then I'm gonna give you my short version of it, 80 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:18.720 and then we're going to talk to John tonight. 81 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:23.480 So let's get on it, all right. What do we have? 82 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:27.759 It? Is this sequel to the film Drugs, His weapons 83 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:31.519 against us, the CIA war on musicians and activists. A 84 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:34.399 matter of fact, just pausing from the description, I talked 85 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:37.160 to John on this show a great deal about a 86 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:40.600 bunch of interesting characters that he was the only one 87 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:43.920 covering out there, discussing at length. We did hear about 88 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:46.519 the Tupac case recently, KEPD and all that, and there 89 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:48.560 might be somebody found out in the murder, et cetera, 90 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:52.279 et cetera. But why, how about the why of it? 91 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:58.079 What was Tupac's real danger to the establishment. John has 92 00:04:58.120 --> 00:04:59.959 a couple of ideas about it, But anyway back to 93 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:06.600 this description, okay. The film continues focusing on US intelligence's 94 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:09.800 use of drugs for social control and in the murderous 95 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:14.439 targeting of activists. It particularly covers John Lennon, Kurt Cobain, 96 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:19.680 and Tupac Shakor. The film further details the CIA's Project 97 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:25.199 mk Ultra involvement with the Manson family regarding activists, actors, 98 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:29.800 and the Black Panthers. It also details examples regarding US 99 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:35.079 intelligence drugs and the anti war students for a Democratic Society. 100 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:38.120 The film then discusses. 101 00:05:37.639 --> 00:05:45.480 The CIA's mk Ultra front group, the Human Ecology Fund continuation, 102 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:51.279 along with Maryland's Catholic church sex abuse scandal featured in 103 00:05:51.319 --> 00:05:56.279 the Emmy nominated documentary series The Keepers. The DVD includes 104 00:05:56.480 --> 00:05:59.720 eighteen plus minutes of bonus scenes. Now, I saw the 105 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:03.839 arms Line version of this, and it is like being barraged. 106 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:10.839 Okay with every bizarre connection. I mean, I know some 107 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:13.199 of you are not going to be fans of, say Tupac, 108 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:16.839 but you might like Kurt Cobain, or you like Tupac. 109 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:20.839 You like Tupac, but Kurt Cobain is noise to you. 110 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:23.920 Depends on who you are, what your culture was like. 111 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:27.040 But or maybe John Lennon, because you're one of the 112 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:29.959 older guys that listens to this show. Maybe John Lennon 113 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:32.279 is the big end all be all. He said he 114 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:35.040 was bigger than Jesus, and certainly he was, And was 115 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:36.519 he high on acid when he said it? 116 00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:40.879 What about that? Oh and by the way, I'm not 117 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:42.439 somebody who's against LSD. 118 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:45.639 Right, I discussed on this show my use of psilocybin 119 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:49.240 to assist myself. But you know, just like any good 120 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:52.319 tool out there, I mean, I'll tell you, even opioids 121 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:55.720 are effective painkillers. They do a great deal of good 122 00:06:55.920 --> 00:07:00.839 when utilized properly. So can psilocybin. Oh well, see, I 123 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:03.240 don't know about that chemical crap they slapped together in labs, 124 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:06.480 but the natural stuff that comes out of the ground, 125 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:10.959 opium itself, is an effective narcotic which can have a 126 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:14.839 lot of good uses. But when it's turned against us 127 00:07:14.879 --> 00:07:19.920 as a weapon, when it's utilized and encouraged as a 128 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:23.600 treatment for not the thing it's intended to do, when 129 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:29.160 it's utilized to disrupt and disconnect and destroy communities, that's 130 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:32.399 a whole other story, John. I know I gave a 131 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:34.879 long introduction here, but I wanted to read that whole 132 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:38.199 thing and give my own impression of this movie that 133 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:41.720 I felt barraged with because you know, it's sort of 134 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:44.560 got a comic edge to it. But I didn't find 135 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:48.560 it funny because for once in a lifetime, all of 136 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:51.680 the things that I could collect from other authors, other 137 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:53.959 people who have talked about this, I mean, you know, 138 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:56.199 the Doug Valentines of the world, other people who have 139 00:07:56.279 --> 00:07:59.839 revealed and shown us things, whether it's about MK Ultra, 140 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:02.839 Charles Manson, or it's about you know, and any of 141 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:07.720 these separate things, you bring them all together into this 142 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:12.079 Drugs are Us. I mean, it reminds me of toys 143 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:14.279 r us and they are the toys of the elites, 144 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:17.439 which is something that isn't mentioned in this descriptor here. 145 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:21.160 What is it that the elites are actually doing? And 146 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:23.959 you know, the elitist names you know, like the Rockefellers, 147 00:08:23.959 --> 00:08:29.240 et cetera. What are they doing in regards to the 148 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:31.560 drug war, of course, and then what do they do 149 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:34.039 with it afterwards? What are they established with that money? 150 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:37.279 Where do things go? Kind of shocking unless you've been 151 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:41.039 reading about this from about fifty different sources previously. And 152 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:44.000 even then, you bring up things in this film that 153 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:48.200 I doubt anybody. I mean, you know, maybe a guy 154 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:50.039 like Doug Valentine would look at me and go, yeah, 155 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:54.240 I knew this already, you know, but a lot of 156 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:57.159 other people who haven't studied pop culture, who haven't studied 157 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:02.519 you know again, diverse music, diverse cultural influences, diverse government 158 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:08.600 influences here, diverse elitist influences. You're bringing together a hell 159 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:10.879 of a lot of different things here, and it is 160 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:15.039 an amazing mosaic. So, first off, how you doing tonight? 161 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:16.759 But this is what we're going to talk about. 162 00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:20.440 Great, Thanks so much for that all that, Chuck, and 163 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:22.159 it's great to be talking with you again. 164 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:25.159 And yeah, the the last third of the. 165 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:30.559 Film about the Maryland church sex abuse scandal, which I 166 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:32.480 imply and you know, show the evidence of that could 167 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:36.480 really apply to the whole country's church sex abuse scandals 168 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:39.360 because they're really you know, attorney generals have come out 169 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:41.720 with this stuff in a number of different states. Now, 170 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:45.679 you know, from Massachusetts people might have seen the film 171 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:49.679 about that, or Pennsylvania or now the latest one was Illinois, 172 00:09:49.720 --> 00:09:52.799 which came out right after I finished writing the script 173 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:56.679 for my film. So so it's really all over the country. 174 00:09:56.720 --> 00:09:59.679 But I had an in on that because of the 175 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:02.399 fact I'm a trauma you know, I'm a psychotherapist for 176 00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:05.320 a living. It's my day job. And uh a special 177 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:09.960 specialty is trauma. And I worked with some father father 178 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:13.399 Joseph mascul victims that were featured in the you know, 179 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:18.639 Emmy nominated film The Keeper nominated docuseries The Keepers. They 180 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:22.840 featured your father Joseph Maskel and his horrible you know, 181 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:27.120 abuse of tons of women and you know girls in 182 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:32.360 this school, in this Catholic school. And and so I 183 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:35.960 actually my neighborhood is one neighborhood over is where this 184 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:40.399 school is, where father Mascal did that. And so I've 185 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:43.799 seen the counseled victims of him. I counseled victims of 186 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:47.399 other priests here and when I and also you know, 187 00:10:47.480 --> 00:10:51.320 being as you know, a serious M culture researcher. When 188 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:55.159 I saw the documentary film The Keepers, I sent evidence 189 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:58.399 over to Gemma Hoskins Elites as an investigator of that, 190 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:02.679 and just showed her evidence that this is like, you know, 191 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:05.759 likely tied to MK ultra and I suggested she you know, 192 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:07.320 investigate more if she'd like. 193 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:08.600 So she started a. 194 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:11.600 Podcast where she reinterviewed a lot of the our friends 195 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:13.960 or victims, you know, when she went to high school 196 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:15.639 with these victims of father Joseph Mascal. 197 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:16.639 She reinterviewed a lot. 198 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:20.320 Of them for her podcasts and got the from them 199 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:24.320 their testimony, you know, showing that yes, they used all 200 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:27.320 these M culture tactics, I mean, Joseph Maskel and these 201 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:33.159 other priests use M culture tactics against them and drugs, hypnosis, 202 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:36.559 and they were worried, you know, they believed they were programmed, 203 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:41.279 you know, to carry out deeds of a some kind 204 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:44.559 of other you know entity, a US Intelligence type entity 205 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:45.080 they were using. 206 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:47.440 And she talked to I took her up with this. 207 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:49.679 I gave her the name of an expert M culture 208 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:52.919 expert psychiatrist who had gone through personally gone through all 209 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:56.799 the twenty thousand documents and could cite parts of the 210 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:01.240 documents where you know, what these victims testimony related to. 211 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:02.279 And so. 212 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:06.440 Yeah, that's the only part that's like brand new that 213 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:09.679 I believe that you know, hasn't really come out before. 214 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:15.159 But nonetheless, I'm glad you've you're aware of a lot 215 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:17.679 of stuff, and you know, because you've introduced so many 216 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:22.960 people that are you know, have researched thoroughly the cis 217 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:27.960 trafficking of drugs and researched M culture like myself, and 218 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:32.440 you know, so this is a story that basically, yeah, 219 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:34.159 it does try that My film does try to. 220 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:36.000 Encompass it all because it is a sequel. 221 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:40.000 It's the original presentation of the story of M culture 222 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.720 of drugs and Weapons against Us. My first film based 223 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:45.960 on my book of the same name. And I just 224 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:49.960 I thought when I saw a new information coming out 225 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:54.000 about Kurt Cobain, you know, Kurt Cobain's death and Tupac 226 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:56.639 Shakor's death, you know, after his death, and came out 227 00:12:56.679 --> 00:12:59.679 with the book when Tupac Shakor and uh and then 228 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:01.399 you know this second book. 229 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:03.080 One, two Bucks Scored Drugs, Weapons against Us. 230 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:05.159 The first one was if there weren't two Bucks, scorn 231 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:08.440 and Black leaders and and then came out with the 232 00:13:08.919 --> 00:13:12.120 you know this two films. I just thought, Okay, now 233 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:14.919 they all of a sudden are saying that they you know, 234 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:19.840 arrested in the culprit for his murder, which was a joke. 235 00:13:19.799 --> 00:13:21.759 You know, is you know, I show that how it's 236 00:13:21.799 --> 00:13:24.120 a joke in the film. The guy that you know 237 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:26.320 really you know, pointed. 238 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:28.840 To this guy as the culprit for two bucks murder 239 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:32.879 is just shown lying in my film, and and I 240 00:13:32.960 --> 00:13:36.080 show him him lying and people you know, pointing out 241 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:39.480 the lies, and how he bribed a guy that the 242 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:42.480 top witness who they arrested to say what he said, 243 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:44.879 you know, basically bribed him with getting off of a 244 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:48.279 huge drug charge and I'd go to prison. And so 245 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:51.279 that's some of the new stuff that I needed to 246 00:13:51.320 --> 00:13:53.120 follow up one to make you make a sequel to 247 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:56.080 the drugs weapons against this film. But and then of 248 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:59.240 course there's all that this new stuff with the Manson family, 249 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:04.039 with tom O doing this great research, twenty years of research. 250 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:07.120 It started as a Premier magazine feature article on the 251 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:10.679 Manson family twenty years later became the book Chaos that 252 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:13.039 he came out with, and I showed clips of him, 253 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:16.159 of course, and Joe Rogan explaining the book explaining how 254 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:21.360 he got the CIA M cilture director Sidney Gottlieb's letters 255 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:27.879 to doctor Julian Jollian West and doctor you know Jolly 256 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:28.960 and West was. 257 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:33.159 The guy that had interviewed. 258 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:37.080 Jack Ruby after he shot and killed Lee Harvey Oswald, 259 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:39.360 who was you know, was blamed for the assassination of 260 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:42.559 President Kennedy, President John Kennedy. 261 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:44.000 And let me let me. 262 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:46.240 Pause you there for a second, John, because there is 263 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:48.919 an important fact that I don't remember if it was 264 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:52.279 in your film, but is worthy of mention here. See, 265 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:56.639 Ruby for many years was making some wild statements. At 266 00:14:56.639 --> 00:15:00.240 a certain point, he at first was kind of of it, 267 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:03.960 you know, when he shot and Melvin Bell eye or whatever. 268 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:05.960 He tried to claim that he had had, you know, 269 00:15:06.039 --> 00:15:08.600 some sort of epileptic response to all the lights and 270 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:11.360 all this other nonsense, and claimed that it was sort 271 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:13.639 of a seizure and this is why Ruby had acted 272 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:18.159 strangely and all that. But the truth is Ruby starts 273 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:21.600 acting really crazy, stating that people are being murdered outside 274 00:15:21.639 --> 00:15:24.559 of the prison, that he's hearing all kinds of crazy 275 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:27.879 things outside, that they're literally slaughtering children outside of the 276 00:15:27.879 --> 00:15:30.840 prison cell, which you know is right on the street 277 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:34.000 there in Dallas, and he's saying that that's going on. 278 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:39.000 He's sticking his fingers into light sockets, trying to commit suicide, 279 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:41.840 bashing his head up against the wall. And here's the 280 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:46.320 funny part. Only did he start behaving this way after 281 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:52.399 guess who visited him? Yeah, okay, And this is not 282 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:54.440 the only instance where we know about it. 283 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:55.200 And by the way, I got a. 284 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:58.200 Hold of summ of Tom O'Neill's files. I did a 285 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:00.720 whole special on Vince Booglio and what kind of a 286 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:01.600 scumbag he was. 287 00:16:01.639 --> 00:16:03.320 By the way, I know. 288 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:05.639 Everybody, you know, it's not like I'm siding with the 289 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:09.519 Manson family here, but you know, corruption goes all directions 290 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:14.120 here in that case. And Vince Boogliosi, you know, he's 291 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:17.919 dead now, but hopefully sitting somewhere in hell considering you know, 292 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:20.960 he's throwing pregnant women downstairs that he knocked up and 293 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:24.759 everything else. And Tom O'Neill discovered all this, you know, 294 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:29.320 in his study wild stuff. One time he kidnapped somebody's 295 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:33.399 child and dropped him back off at the house. You know, 296 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:36.240 took him to a toy store, bought toys and dropped 297 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:37.960 them off at the house as a way of just 298 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:39.879 showing him, you know, I can get to your child. 299 00:16:40.360 --> 00:16:43.600 Because he was under this belief that this guy was 300 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:47.360 sleeping with his wife. Weird stuff went on with Boogliosi. Now, 301 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:50.639 I'm not trying to sidetrack yet. I'm just saying that 302 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:54.320 these stories, the deeper you go, the stranger they get. 303 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:57.720 And so yeah, and when it comes to Jolly West, 304 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:00.639 this guy's all over the place. He's you know, Sir 305 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:03.320 Hans Saran, you can find him near there. He's all 306 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:06.759 over the Manson family's all over other criminals. He shows 307 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:11.319 up around Jack Ruby. Gee, just coincidentally, right, you know, 308 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:14.920 And these people always end up acting out in very 309 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:17.799 bizarre ways that one might say, you know, if I 310 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:21.359 just told you the guy was like really heavily dosed 311 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:24.799 on narcotics, you'd say, oh, well, that explains a lot 312 00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:27.200 of what just went on here. And Jack Ruby is 313 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:31.480 a prime example of that, Okay, Glad John. So I 314 00:17:31.839 --> 00:17:34.480 just wanted to point that out because you know, you're 315 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:37.960 in you're in my wheelhouse there with Jack Ruby, and 316 00:17:38.119 --> 00:17:41.079 I found it amazing that all these crazy behaviors that 317 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:43.839 Ruby starts, you know, which people talked about for years, 318 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:47.240 where he was saying weird things and talking about dark, 319 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:49.519 shadowy things that were going on, and he started to 320 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:52.440 get really paranoid and again he's bashing his head up 321 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:54.240 against the wall and all these kind of things he 322 00:17:54.319 --> 00:17:56.880 was doing. And then he dies of cancer, you know, 323 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:00.359 in sixty eight. But you know, and people have their 324 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:01.279 questions about that. 325 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:04.039 Yeah, because them Culture did have I mean they say 326 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:06.680 in them Culture papers that they think they've found the 327 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:11.119 way to cause you know, quick acting cancer with you know, 328 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:14.720 certain hypercarcinogens that you know, they developed in the m 329 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:19.039 Kulture Project and culture you know, the CIA project, which 330 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:20.960 is the umbrella project for one hundred and forty nine 331 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:24.599 other subprojects. And you know, now I don't get into 332 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:27.720 Ruby seriously in the in this film, because I do 333 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:30.400 talk about them in my book Drugs and Weapons against Us, 334 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:33.480 and but in this film it's just the key is 335 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:38.359 doctor Jilliam West had perfected the use of hypnosis and drugs. 336 00:18:38.359 --> 00:18:40.440 It's in the letters or Neil found in the letters 337 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:43.880 to you know, cause people to do what they know 338 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:47.599 the CIA wanted them to do. And that's what Manson 339 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:50.119 you know, was part of and that's what they helped 340 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:54.079 Manson calls and all these girls, the whole Manson family 341 00:18:54.200 --> 00:18:58.319 kept visiting doctor West at the half Mac the hate 342 00:18:58.359 --> 00:19:01.400 Ashbury Free Medical Clinic for about six months. They were 343 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:03.640 visiting them almost every day, you know, they say at 344 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:07.799 least once a week, but often daily. And and that's 345 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:11.279 you know what that was a CIA project, you know 346 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:13.480 obviously because the letters were going back and forth between 347 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:16.480 the mkal TRA director and doctor Jolly West while he 348 00:19:16.519 --> 00:19:20.160 had an office at he'd Ashbury Free Michael Clinic. And 349 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:23.720 and so that's where they got hypnotized, you know, most 350 00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:25.359 like again they used the drugs on him. 351 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:31.400 He perfected that. But with Sir Hansor Hand, I have. 352 00:19:31.240 --> 00:19:36.160 A a doctor, doctor William Bryant admitting that with enough 353 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:39.240 drugs and enough of gnosis in time, you could get 354 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:40.799 someone to do anything he wanted. 355 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:45.519 And so it's you know, this is some. 356 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:50.440 Of those CIA projects and how they killed these you 357 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:53.920 know political leaders that were against the war and uh, 358 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:56.960 we're for civil rights and and some of these you know, 359 00:19:57.039 --> 00:20:00.519 great activists that were leading the activist group that were 360 00:20:01.160 --> 00:20:05.519 doing good work to you know, go against the Vietnam 361 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:08.480 War and go against wars today even I think, you know, 362 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:11.240 it goes all the way up to today because because 363 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:12.839 all these projects, I want to just say, some of 364 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:16.839 these whistleblowers that were involved in the FBI's counter intelligence program, 365 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:21.559 which was an overlapping program with m KILT, they basically 366 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:25.839 said the whistleblowers from those programs, like Wes Swearing and 367 00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:28.759 says that even though I was a Cotent tel proagent 368 00:20:28.839 --> 00:20:32.200 in the sixties, is supposedly stopped in seventy one, but 369 00:20:32.319 --> 00:20:34.400 it never did stop. They just changed the names and 370 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:36.680 kept it going until I at least until I came 371 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:40.079 out with my memoir in the mid nineteen nineties. And 372 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:44.119 so you know, they all whistleblowers from these programs do 373 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:45.839 say they continue till today. 374 00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:50.079 And so that's the sad fact, is just under different names. 375 00:20:50.359 --> 00:20:52.880 Yeah, but that's the thing. They are under different names. 376 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:55.799 Like when people talk about, you know, today's MK Ultra project, 377 00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:58.759 I say, well, that's a convenient way to label it, 378 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:01.599 but that's not the name of it anymore. It's obviously 379 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:04.839 not that you know, we wouldn't even know the details 380 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:09.759 about this had not somebody forgot to destroy the financial documents. Uh, 381 00:21:09.799 --> 00:21:12.440 you know, that's one thing Dollis forgot to clean up, 382 00:21:13.079 --> 00:21:15.519 was the financial documents. Otherwise we would have never been 383 00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:20.160 able to reconstruct this. But either way, these programs have 384 00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:24.799 continued under different names with different heads, but some of 385 00:21:24.839 --> 00:21:27.440 those same actors stay in place as well. Like when 386 00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:30.240 did they shut down that clinic that you were just 387 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:31.759 talking about, Because there was a. 388 00:21:31.720 --> 00:21:35.000 Clinic that that's the funny coincidence there. It's not obviously 389 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:37.599 it's not a coincidence, but yeah, they just closed that 390 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:42.359 down within weeks of after maybe maybe a couple of 391 00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:47.279 months or so, after Tom O'Neill's book came out, you know, 392 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:49.799 exposing that that clinic that he asked for a free 393 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:53.480 medical clinic, so, you know, and Joe Rogan said, you know, 394 00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:55.720 what are the odds? Has been fifty years, sixty years, 395 00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:58.079 and they suddenly closed it down if Tom O'Neil's book 396 00:21:58.079 --> 00:21:58.680 comes out, you. 397 00:21:58.640 --> 00:22:01.799 Know, yeah, well, look, I'm not a huge fan of Rogan, 398 00:22:01.880 --> 00:22:03.960 but broken Clocks and all, you know what I mean, 399 00:22:04.279 --> 00:22:09.039 he got that one right, because it's wild and look, 400 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:12.519 there are a variety of things going on here, right 401 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:15.160