Speaker 1: People coming in and creating.
Speaker 2: Fictions about this that doesn't exist. Where's the videotape of
Speaker 2: anifcent island of X, Y and Z committing these frauds?
Speaker 2: Why haven't you given it to us?
Speaker 1: Do you really think I wouldn't give that to you.
Speaker 2: If it existed. I'm working my ass off along with
Speaker 2: the leadership at the Bureau and DJ to get you
Speaker 2: what we're allowed to give you. And you're going to
Speaker 2: get the video of the cell and you're going to
Speaker 2: see for yourself, and we will never be able to
Speaker 2: convince everywhere.
Speaker 1: But we were told that the cameras were down. Well
Speaker 1: I don't know who said that, but that was in
Speaker 1: the news.
Speaker 2: We're giving you all the footage we have.
Speaker 1: So why wasn't that released like immediately? Why did this
Speaker 1: speculation escalate?
Speaker 2: I think you'd have to ask who whatever The Attorney
Speaker 2: general back then was Bill Barr.
Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the No Way Jose Podcast. I
Speaker 3: am your host, Jose gally Son. Today we are joined
Speaker 3: again by the great Nick Bryant. It's been a long
Speaker 3: time since you've having the show. Actually life the last
Speaker 3: time actually the only other time we had mon I
Speaker 3: believe was on already dead our call in show, so
Speaker 3: now it's just me and him a little bit more
Speaker 3: of a different format, and I think it calls for it,
Speaker 3: given what's going on in the current zeitgeist. I've been
Speaker 3: covering it more than enough on my show. I am
Speaker 3: absolutely disgusted. I think this is the death nail the
Speaker 3: Trump administration, not that I really care for them much
Speaker 3: to begin with, but this is the moment and there
Speaker 3: is no better person to have on to talk about it,
Speaker 3: someone I consider a hero without much more ado. Let's
Speaker 3: go ahead and bring Nick in here. Hey, what's up, Nick,
Speaker 3: Pleasure to have you back on the show. Good to
Speaker 3: see you.
Speaker 1: Hey, Jose glad to be back on the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, glad to have you back. Just for the purpose.
Speaker 3: I know most of my audience knows who you are,
Speaker 3: but you never know when you get the odd a
Speaker 3: onesie two ISI a new person to the audience, or
Speaker 3: they're not familiar with the things that I'm familiar with.
Speaker 3: Could you let our audience know who you are, and,
Speaker 3: at least particularly for the purposes of today's discussion, why
Speaker 3: you are a significant figure. You do play into the
Speaker 3: kind of the parlance that is Epstein. Although you definitely
Speaker 3: aren't only contained to that. You've written extensively on the
Speaker 3: Franklin Scandal, the Watergate scandal, and numerous other things. I
Speaker 3: haven't read your Watergate book. I think it's only one
Speaker 3: of your books I haven't read. But for the most part,
Speaker 3: i've read all of the other stuff. You do have
Speaker 3: great work, and you are a great agent for truth.
Speaker 3: I think so. But if you could let my audience
Speaker 3: know just kind of fill in the blanks from i'd
Speaker 3: appreciate that.
Speaker 4: I've been a journalist for thirty five years. I was
Speaker 4: in academia for five years prior to that, and I
Speaker 4: moved to New York City in nineteen ninety five, and
Speaker 4: I moved here and I just committed myself to being
Speaker 4: a freelance journalist writer. And in two thousand and two
Speaker 4: I started to investigate a pedophion network that flew kids
Speaker 4: from coast to coast, that was hooked up to intelligence
Speaker 4: that deployed blackmail. And what we're seeing today is Epstein
Speaker 4: is kind of a carbon copy of that. The book
Speaker 4: was called The Franklin Scandal, a story of powerbrokers child
Speaker 4: to be some betrayal, And in that pedophon network, we
Speaker 4: saw tremendous malfeasance by the state of Nebraska and also
Speaker 4: by the federal government, as we saw tremendous malfeasance by
Speaker 4: the state of Florida and by the federal government in
Speaker 4: the Epstein case and the Franklin I spent seven years
Speaker 4: on the Franklin scandal. I really wanted to prove its existence,
Speaker 4: and I had a very high bar for that, and
Speaker 4: I live in New York City, which is the mecca publishing,
Speaker 4: and I felt if I had enough proof, I really
Speaker 4: felt this that I could get a book published on it.
Speaker 4: And I gave the book proposal to my agent, and
Speaker 4: then my agent unceremoniously jettisoned to me a couple of
Speaker 4: weeks later, and then I gave the book proposal to
Speaker 4: another agent. It was very good, and he really did
Speaker 4: try to sell it. All the doors were slammed, and
Speaker 4: that was published two thousand and nine, twenty ten. And
Speaker 4: that seven year investigation had taken a lot out of
Speaker 4: me to go as far into a child traveling network
Speaker 4: as I had gone, and just the unremitting darkness.
Speaker 1: It takes a toll on your soul.
Speaker 4: But I started reading about Epstein in twan twelve, and
Speaker 4: that he was getting massages from all these underage girls,
Speaker 4: and that a grand jury and Florida had declared that
Speaker 4: he hadn't molested a single underage girl. And that's exactly
Speaker 4: what happened in the Franklin scandal. Two grand juries declared
Speaker 4: that no children have been molested, even though scores of
Speaker 4: children have been molested. And I don't know if your
Speaker 4: audience is familiar with the machinations of a grand jury,
Speaker 4: but a special prosecutor is chosen to oversee a grand jury,
Speaker 4: and he or she calls the witnesses that the grand
Speaker 4: jurors listened to, and he or she presents evidence to.
Speaker 1: The grand jurs.
Speaker 4: And the grand jurors are just people that have shown
Speaker 4: up for jury duty and been funneled to a grand jury.
Speaker 4: So a special prosecutor is in a unique position to
Speaker 4: twist the minds of the grand jurors. And actually there
Speaker 4: was a New York Supreme Court justice who said that's
Speaker 4: special prosecutors of grand juri's have so much power over
Speaker 4: grandeurs that they could get them to indict a ham sandwich.
Speaker 1: And I was reading.
Speaker 4: About Jeffrey Epstein molesting all these girls and then I
Speaker 4: was also saw that grand jury declared that he hadn't
Speaker 4: molested a single child, and that reminded me very much
Speaker 4: of the Franklin scandal.
Speaker 1: And although I was somewhat.
Speaker 4: Depleted in a lot of different ways, I went down
Speaker 4: to Florida and I did what I do. I start
Speaker 4: knocking on doors and start talking to people, and I
Speaker 4: ultimately got Epstein's Black Book on my first trip to Florida.
Speaker 4: And I came back to New York and I thought
Speaker 4: for sure I could sell a story on the Black Book.
Speaker 4: I mean, I didn't think that that would be a problem.
Speaker 4: So I was meeting with editors, and when I was
Speaker 4: meeting with editors and publishers for the Franklin Scandal, I
Speaker 4: could see the wheels go around.
Speaker 1: I could see that they were thinking to themselves.
Speaker 3: I do have to real quick not to cut off
Speaker 3: your flow. I do have to muse how funny it
Speaker 3: is now? I mean, maybe not funny, Maybe it's the
Speaker 3: wrong word looking back now, how essentially this bombshell story
Speaker 3: that it was just kind of like you were struggling
Speaker 3: to get it published. I just think there's a maybe
Speaker 3: a note for people there. And there's always this sometimes
Speaker 3: when conspiratorial thinking comes in people go, oh, well, if
Speaker 3: this was a thing, then this would happen, you know,
Speaker 3: this would totally be in the media or whatever. So sorry,
Speaker 3: but I just had to note that, so go on,
Speaker 3: that is noted.
Speaker 1: So I came back to New York and I was
Speaker 1: talking to.
Speaker 4: Editors, I was talking to publishers, and I could see
Speaker 4: the cognitive dissonance.
Speaker 1: Emerge before my very eyes.
Speaker 4: They were thinking to themselves, this is really a horrible story,
Speaker 4: and all these children of them elasted. We need to
Speaker 4: help Nick Bryant, or I can write Nick Bryant off
Speaker 4: as crazy right now, and I don't have to worry
Speaker 4: about this anymore, and I can have a nice meal
Speaker 4: with my family tonight. So that's what happened when I
Speaker 4: was pitching the Franklin scandal. And that's what happened when
Speaker 4: I was pitching.
Speaker 1: The Epstein scandal.
Speaker 4: Even after I had acquired The Black Book. So I
Speaker 4: went to just about every publisher that I could, and
Speaker 4: I attempted to sell the Black Book in an article
Speaker 4: on in the Black Book, and finally Gauncter published the
Speaker 4: Black Book.
Speaker 1: And by that time I had had flight.
Speaker 4: Logs too, so I was the first guy to put
Speaker 4: the Black Book up, and also the first guy to
Speaker 4: put the flight logs up. And then once Gaunktor took
Speaker 4: a chance with the Black Book, then the floodgates opened.
Speaker 4: Tons of ink were dumped have been dumped on stories
Speaker 4: about the Black Book and the Passenger Manifest for that matter.
Speaker 1: But the mainstream media just won't let me in. They
Speaker 1: will not let me in.
Speaker 4: I in on lots of big podcasts, but the mainstream
Speaker 4: media just will not let Nick Bryant in to explain
Speaker 4: the Epstein scan, the Epstein scan, and and that's that's
Speaker 4: been kind of frustrating to me.
Speaker 3: Mm absolutely, And you have I mean you've been this Hey,
Speaker 3: you've been putting out good work for a long period
Speaker 3: of time. You really are a great example I think
Speaker 3: of time preference and how it could possibly pay off
Speaker 3: the long run because you've been slogging along and now you,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, are going to go on later to be,
Speaker 3: you know, one of the greatest journalists of our time,
Speaker 3: because you were one of the people that you know,
Speaker 3: we're on this, but I don't know, you don't always
Speaker 3: get rewarded with the with the with all all the
Speaker 3: things with it immediately. Sometimes you have to defer gratitude
Speaker 3: and just kind of follow your own individual moral compass.
Speaker 3: So well, I hope.
Speaker 4: If I do, if this does put me jettison me
Speaker 4: in this space, I hope it's not posthumously.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's how we all hope. We all hope
Speaker 3: for greatness, and it's not bust homes posthumously. It's like,
Speaker 3: make sure you include that asterisk when you when you
Speaker 3: rub the lamp, the Genie lamp for that one. Uh.
Speaker 3: But uh, I mean sometimes it's just the way the
Speaker 3: cookie crumbles, and uh, I don't know. I think it.
Speaker 3: I think it says something about a man. But you know,
Speaker 3: there's there's definitely a you're an inter interesting character. At
Speaker 3: this point in time, this story has flourished into something
Speaker 3: far more than I thought it would. This is Uh.
Speaker 3: The cynic in me has always thought this, there's gonna somehow,
Speaker 3: some way, some shape, some form get buried like every
Speaker 3: other scandal. But I don't know, I think, I don't.
Speaker 3: I just I don't know if it had the red
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's just the dynamic of the Trump,
Speaker 3: the thing that is Trump, the vibe that what you know,
Speaker 3: carried him through his twenty sixteen administration with these like
Speaker 3: bombastic type claims. In this way, he kind of outchads people.
Speaker 3: I guess, uh if perhaps maybe he over asserted and
Speaker 3: he thought he could literally take this up into including
Speaker 3: things like pedophilia. I don't know, but I think common
Speaker 3: people take that and go, no, I don't know, this
Speaker 3: is kind of where we draw the line. Maybe we'll
Speaker 3: let you be bombastic about this or that. But there
Speaker 3: is a certain line, and they found it, and they
Speaker 3: have been, you know, an entire administration. It seems like
Speaker 3: there was at least flirting that was a subtle way
Speaker 3: to put it, flirting with truth for Epstein, the Epstein files,
Speaker 3: the Epstein lists. Then now we have seen nothing but
Speaker 3: an entire kind of a whiplash of a one to
Speaker 3: eighty since they've been in power. And I mean, the
Speaker 3: only thing I can think is maybe they just thought
Speaker 3: that we could they could just kind of handwave it
Speaker 3: away fake news and move on. But I think this
Speaker 3: might just be a bridge too far. And as I
Speaker 3: said in my intro, I think this will be the
Speaker 3: death knell of this administration. I do not see how
Speaker 3: they weather this. I mean, they have kind of masterfully
Speaker 3: if you want to attribute motive or or that this
Speaker 3: is somehow being controlled. I mean, hell, we've had the
Speaker 3: I mean now we're at the government shut down, had
Speaker 3: the recess, and we had the Charlie Kirk shooting that
Speaker 3: just almost perfectly like sent manna, sent from above from
Speaker 3: God kind of delayed the inevitable, the the the I
Speaker 3: know this the calling that is the truth of the Epstein. Now,
Speaker 3: now do I think we're gonna get the truth? I
Speaker 3: just know. I don't know how this is going to
Speaker 3: manifest itself. I just think it's the death of the administration.
Speaker 3: But we're we're in this unique time where we have
Speaker 3: multiple different forms of bureaucracy that seemed to be working
Speaker 3: for truth. We were talking beforehand kind of. So actually,
Speaker 3: the question I'm kind of driving out here is I'd
Speaker 3: like to know you kind of I guess if you
Speaker 3: want to give some comments, but also what legal avenues
Speaker 3: are there right now, because I think I know I
Speaker 3: run a daily show and I cover this stuff regularly,
Speaker 3: particularly Epstein. Even even I I have a vague I
Speaker 3: know we have the we have the the discharge petition,
Speaker 3: which was I mean, I don't even understand the specifics exactly.
Speaker 3: I know, then that goes to Congress, and then that
Speaker 3: goes to the Senate, and then I forget exactly. We
Speaker 3: also have the subpoenas or the Democrat Oversight Committee. I
Speaker 3: don't know if there's maybe a more under a more
Speaker 3: manageable way for normal people to understand what the hell
Speaker 3: is even going on with all the different I don't
Speaker 3: know gaggle of things going on here. Uh because and
Speaker 3: I guess I'll leave it at that. I've thrown enough
Speaker 3: at you already, but just I was thinking about that,
Speaker 3: just kind of to make the more understandable for people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of the things that you said with Ebstein,
Speaker 1: we already know the truth. I mean, we really do.
Speaker 4: We know that Ebstein was involved with intelligence, we know
Speaker 4: that there was blackmail involved, We know who many of
Speaker 4: the pimps are, and the New York Times did an
Speaker 4: article on six of the pimps. Glenn Maxwell was one pimp,
Speaker 4: Sarah Kellen was another, Leslie.
Speaker 1: Groff was an other.
Speaker 4: Adriana Ross was another Native Marson Cova, and Haley Robson.
Speaker 4: Haley Robson was primarily used to get girls from the
Speaker 4: high school and middle school that she attended, but the
Speaker 4: other five Maxwell, Kellen, Graff, Ross, and Marsenkova, they were
Speaker 4: fully cognizant of that entire network, and if we really
Speaker 4: wanted justice, we could go after them and the child
Speaker 4: trafficking and the federal system is a heavy sentence and
Speaker 4: it's fifteen to life, and we could slap them with
Speaker 4: multiple kinds of child trafficking, unlike we did with Glenn.
Speaker 4: We only slapped her with one and then they would
Speaker 4: roll on the perps. And there are hundreds of Epstein
Speaker 4: victims that would be willing to testify if they felt safe.
Speaker 4: So we already know the truth, and we already know
Speaker 4: who a bunch of the perpetrators are, and they've been
Speaker 4: picked around quite a bit in the media. People having
Speaker 4: the media. People in the media have an outright said
Speaker 4: they're perpetrators. But we know who they are, so that
Speaker 4: we know the truth of Ebstein. At this point, we
Speaker 4: know the truth with the Trump administration, Epstein is like
Speaker 4: a Pandora's box and Greek mythology, Pandora was the first
Speaker 4: woman and she was given a box and she was
Speaker 4: told not to open it because a curse that would
Speaker 4: curse humanity would come out.
Speaker 1: Of the box.
Speaker 4: So the Bush administration, the Bush to administration constructed the box.
Speaker 4: They were the first ones that covered up Ebstein, then Obama, Biden,
Speaker 4: and then the first Trump administration.
Speaker 1: They didn't touch the box.
Speaker 4: But I believe that Trump thought that he could open
Speaker 4: up the box a little bit and then slam it shut.
Speaker 4: But once you open the box, you let the curse out.
Speaker 4: And Trump has let the curse out. And I fully
Speaker 4: believe that Pam Bondi in February when she said we're
Speaker 4: going to release the Ebstein files, she gave us a
Speaker 4: nothing sandwich. And actually the black book that we published
Speaker 4: with Gacker, it we redacted the names of the adults
Speaker 4: and then under massage is kind of a euphemism for
Speaker 4: underage girls or number of them were underage, and there's
Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy five and many of them were
Speaker 4: underage girls. So we with all that information, it's come out.
Speaker 1: But the black book that.
Speaker 4: Pam Bondi released at everybody's name redacted.
Speaker 1: And everybody's number redacted.
Speaker 4: I released more incriminating information on Jeffrey Epstein's network in
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen than Pam Bondi did in twenty twenty five
Speaker 4: and I truly think that the Trump administration thought that
Speaker 4: it could give us something that was highly diluted and
Speaker 4: think that we would settle for that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think the Trump.
Speaker 4: Administration really understood that people really want to get to
Speaker 4: the bottom of this story. And actually a lot of
Speaker 4: Americans are very cognizant of many of the many of
Speaker 4: the facets of this story. So and then Pam Bondi
Speaker 4: said that she had been bamboozled by the FBI Field Office,
Speaker 4: that they'd given her incorrect information, and she blamed it
Speaker 4: all on them, And then she said that, and then
Speaker 4: she said that she had a truckload of evidence and
Speaker 4: that they were betting it at the FBI and the
Speaker 4: Department of Justice, and she said, only matters of national
Speaker 4: security will be redacted. So she keeps digging herself in
Speaker 4: a deeper hole. Now she's got to tell us what
Speaker 4: a bunch of child molesters have to do with matters
Speaker 4: of national security and just the whole lie. All that
Speaker 4: stuff was taken from Epstein, the three hundred gigabytes or
Speaker 4: how many gigabytes they were taken from Epstein, And when
Speaker 4: Epstein was arrested in twenty nineteen. I mean, the FBI
Speaker 4: was saw on his safe open as as soon as
Speaker 4: it positively could.
Speaker 1: And according to the New York Times.
Speaker 4: There were hundreds, if not thousands of disks, and they
Speaker 4: were underage girls, and according to Business Insider, there were
Speaker 4: hard drives.
Speaker 1: And Pam Bondy wants us.
Speaker 4: To believe that the FBIID Department of Justice just started
Speaker 4: to look at all that material.
Speaker 1: Within the last six months. I'm willing to bet everything that.
Speaker 4: I had that FBI and DOJ and and probably a
Speaker 4: number of other alphabet organizations they were looking at that
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein material that night and then the next day,
Speaker 4: and then the next night they probably.
Speaker 1: Got triple overtime, so that it's a huge lie.
Speaker 4: And then that July sixth document came out and said
Speaker 4: that there was three hundred gigabytes of information that was
Speaker 4: taken from Epstein's possessions and.
Speaker 1: That there are over a thousand victims.
Speaker 4: And I agree with that, But then it said that
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein and Gallaine Maxwell acted alone.
Speaker 1: Now and according to pan Am Bondi.
Speaker 4: That a lot of that child abuse material had Jeffrey
Speaker 4: Epstein abusing children. So and now Cash Battell is testified
Speaker 4: before the House and the Senate, and he's saying that
Speaker 4: there's there's no other co conspirators. Everything is in under
Speaker 4: a contradiction to what Bondi has already said, and the
Speaker 4: administration just keeps digging itself deeper and deeper and deeper
Speaker 4: into an abyss of lies.
Speaker 3: M all right, yeah, I agree with that assessment now,
Speaker 3: and now I would would just kind of maybe I'm
Speaker 3: missing some things, but what specific vectors of attack bureaucratically speaking,
Speaker 3: are we seeing currently, because like I mentioned, we have
Speaker 3: I believe, the Democratic Oversight Committee, which that's well, I'm sure,
Speaker 3: I mean, if you want to, we can, you know,
Speaker 3: break off into that the recent news there, but we
Speaker 3: have obviously the discharge and then some of the subpoenas
Speaker 3: through which we got the birthday book information recently, which
Speaker 3: was kind of a huge revelation, although oddly, I know,
Speaker 3: like talking to normal people in my life, you know,
Speaker 3: some normal people, they weren't even aware of it. And
Speaker 3: I think it probably had a lot to do with
Speaker 3: the fact that the Charlie Kirk thing happened within probably
Speaker 3: forty eight hours or so, I believe, after the drop
Speaker 3: of it. So I think it kind of most normal
Speaker 3: people missed that piece of information, but for the people
Speaker 3: looking into it, that was a pretty big deal. And
Speaker 3: we'll probably have to carve out a moment to talk
Speaker 3: about that as well. But what specific avenues do we
Speaker 3: have out there? Obviously, I know you have Epstein Justice
Speaker 3: as well too, so if you want to take a
Speaker 3: moment to talk about that, that would make sense. But
Speaker 3: so far as like what actual, you know, vectors of
Speaker 3: attack are we seeing right now? And I also just
Speaker 3: kind of what are your thoughts about them in general,
Speaker 3: because obviously some of these things are being treated like
Speaker 3: they're going to be like the silver bullets, but I
Speaker 3: don't really think any of them are, but your thoughts.
Speaker 4: Mike Johnson is the Speaker of the House. Trucuently, he's
Speaker 4: the third most powerful man in the country. A former
Speaker 4: Speaker of the House. Actually, the longest reigning Republican Speaker
Speaker 4: of the House was is Dennis Haster, who was a
Speaker 4: pedophile and actually had to do some time because someone
Speaker 4: was extorting him because Dennis Haster did preyed on him
Speaker 4: when Dennis Haster was a high school teacher.
Speaker 1: But we've got another freak.
Speaker 4: As the Speaker of the house and he When I
Speaker 4: found this out, I thought it was kind of mind boggling.
Speaker 4: He has an app on his phone called Covenan I,
Speaker 4: and his seventeen year old son has an app on
Speaker 4: his phone called Covenan and I, and that gives them
Speaker 4: the ability to monitor each other's consumption of pornography.
Speaker 3: So you know for sure it goes both ways, because
Speaker 3: I've heard you speak about this elsewhere, because it's so
Speaker 3: For one, it's gross. Either way it's going Frankly, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm a father and I don't know. I just wouldn't
Speaker 3: want to know that. But I don't know. I guess
Speaker 3: I could kind of wrap my head around it, at
Speaker 3: least from the father to the son. But I mean
Speaker 3: that's still even wrapping my head around it's still disgusting.
Speaker 3: So I just I don't know. I'm just curious where
Speaker 3: you got that dead bit of info from. And if you,
Speaker 3: I guess if you are for sure it literally both
Speaker 3: father ands on can track the others. That is beyond bizarre.
Speaker 4: Actually it was broken by Rolling Stone, I believe, but
Speaker 4: it's been published in a number of mainstream publications and
Speaker 4: him a Journey in the House early, so I couldn't
Speaker 4: vote on Massey's discharge. Petition was extremely agregious. Here is
Speaker 4: a guy that's doing everything he possibly can to make
Speaker 4: sure that there is an investigation in the Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: He wants to keep it so there's no wild cards.
Speaker 4: And there's been subpoenas to a number of people that
Speaker 4: were part of this cover up, including Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 4: But the first one s a poena I believe was
Speaker 4: Alexander A. Consta, and he was the one. He was
Speaker 4: the US Attorney for Southern Florida that gave Ebstein his
Speaker 4: sweetheart deal. And Alexander A Consta testified that it wasn't
Speaker 4: that the deal that they gave Ebstein was you know,
Speaker 4: a standard deal and there was anything spectacular about it.
Speaker 4: But here's the thing about that a Consta was the
Speaker 4: Department Justice was aware of at least forty underage Epstein victims.
Speaker 4: I've got a list of thirty six, but they were
Speaker 4: aware of at least forty. And I've got emails between
Speaker 4: the Assistant US Attorney, Emery Villa Fauna, and Epstein's attorneys,
Speaker 4: and it's very obvious that they're colluding together to make
Speaker 4: sure that Epstein gets his sweetheart deal.
Speaker 1: And the sweetheart deal.
Speaker 4: Was such a sweetheart deal that the Department of Justice,
Speaker 4: once it made the deal with Epstein, it sealed it.
Speaker 4: And it was in direct violation that Crime Victims' Rights Act,
Speaker 4: because according to that, it's a piece of federal legislation.
Speaker 4: Victims of crimes have to be apprized of the adjudication
Speaker 4: of their perpetrators, and they get feedback on whether they
Speaker 4: feel whether the sentences of the perpetrators they feel reasonable,
Speaker 4: and they also get to confront the perpetrators. But the
Speaker 4: Department of Justice contravened all of that and sealed it.
Speaker 4: And there was a judge in federal judge in Palm
Speaker 4: Beach who Kenneth Merrow, who was a good guy, and
Speaker 4: he decided that it should be unsealed, and the Department
Speaker 4: of Justice appealed that, and then the Eleventh Circuit ultimately
Speaker 4: said that the document should be unsealed.
Speaker 1: And what that document was that was then it.
Speaker 4: Was called a non prosecution agreement, and it gave all
Speaker 4: of Jeffrey Epstein's.
Speaker 1: Co conspirator's blanket immunity. I mean, just stunning.
Speaker 4: And so Alexander Aconsta is telling us that that's just
Speaker 4: a status quo kind of deal that he made with Epstein.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's lying his ass up now.
Speaker 4: According to another report, Acosta was told that Epstein was
Speaker 4: intelligence and that he had to back off, and he
Speaker 4: has retracted that. But think about this, Epstein's running an
Speaker 4: international pedophile network. Is a US attorney going to go
Speaker 4: out on a limb and cover up a nationwide pedophile
Speaker 4: on network without being ordered to by his boss? And
Speaker 4: there's only two people in the country that can tell
Speaker 4: a US attorney to stand down.
Speaker 1: One is Alberto Gonzalez, the other one.
Speaker 4: At that time, the Attorney General was albertal Gonzalez and
Speaker 4: the President was Bush too. So Alexander's Acosta is not
Speaker 4: going to go out on a limb like that and
Speaker 4: cover up a nation wider international pedophile network unless he's told.
Speaker 1: And Alberto Gonzalez, the Attorney.
Speaker 4: General, He's not going to go out on a limb
Speaker 4: and cover up a nationwider international pedophile on network unless
Speaker 4: he's ordered to. So it's very obvious to me that
Speaker 4: President George W. Bush was the one that ordered that
Speaker 4: cover up. That's what I believe. I believe that for
Speaker 4: a very long time cost was lying when when he
Speaker 4: testified before the.
Speaker 3: House by that very same logic. I think we can
Speaker 3: kind of come to a very similar conclusion. But for
Speaker 3: today's purposes, you mentioned George W. Bush kind of the
Speaker 3: way certain people are behaving, the only certain things being
Speaker 3: explainable for such things. You brought up that Acossa with
Speaker 3: his recent meeting with a Democratic Oversight Committee kind of
Speaker 3: his oh uh, yeah, we decided that that wasn't a
Speaker 3: worthwhile looking into, despite the fact I didn't actually, you know,
Speaker 3: look over any of these individual witnesses whatever. And but
Speaker 3: the same thing is, I think it's interesting to note,
Speaker 3: and it was actually Tara Palmyer I think who noted
Speaker 3: made this connection first, and so it wasn't you know
Speaker 3: anything of mine. I don't know how it's used kind
Speaker 3: of two plus two. It's not like a great revelation.
Speaker 3: But that's the same thing Cash recently did in his
Speaker 3: recent ordeal going through the gauntlet of congressmen. Is he
Speaker 3: did the same thing. And we have this rolling rolodex
Speaker 3: of characters. We have the Bondie, we have the Bongino,
Speaker 3: we have Cash, Hell, we have a Costa, we have
Speaker 3: bar But hey, you kind of named one of the
Speaker 3: top dogs but he's not the top dog anymore. At
Speaker 3: the end of the day. It's kind of like it
Speaker 3: seems like all signs point like this is coming from
Speaker 3: the tippy top that shut it down. I don't care
Speaker 3: what it takes. We will anything whatever, up to and
Speaker 3: including multiple people being willing to in the most obvious
Speaker 3: ways lie to the American public about one of the
Speaker 3: most despicable things you possibly could lie to, like to
Speaker 3: the fact that it's like, I don't know, it's a
Speaker 3: It's like if I found we're like at like Nuremberg level,
Speaker 3: Like what if you were if you are somehow like
Speaker 3: against like what are you doing if you're a mouthpiece
Speaker 3: is somehow covering for this in any ways uniform it's
Speaker 3: frankly insanity. And this is like pitchfork type territory for
Speaker 3: the American public. I think.
Speaker 4: What we're seeing is the government protecting a system of politics.
Speaker 4: I mean, certain individuals are definitely being protected, but it's
Speaker 4: the same thing. But the Franklin scandal, what the primary
Speaker 4: thing that's being protected is a political system that's rife
Speaker 4: with blackmail. That I believe is what is being protected.
Speaker 4: I mean, there are definitely individuals being protected Mike Johnson
Speaker 4: might even be one of them, even though his name
Speaker 4: hasn't come up yet in my investigations. But our political
Speaker 4: system has been rife with blackmail for a long time, and.
Speaker 1: I talked about it in the Franklin scandal. I wrote
Speaker 1: a book.
Speaker 4: I co authored a book called Confessions of a DC Madam,
Speaker 4: The Politics of Sex Lives in Blackmail about Henry Vincent.
Speaker 1: And he ran a gay esque service in Washington.
Speaker 3: D C.
Speaker 4: Actually the largest gay escort service that's ever been uncovered,
Speaker 4: and he provided escorts to cissets who had useort the escorts.
Speaker 1: To blackmail closet politicians.
Speaker 4: And I also wrote a book called The Truth about Watergate,
Speaker 4: A Tale of incredible lies and liars. And at the
Speaker 4: heart of that and I can't believe that it's been
Speaker 4: covered up all these years. At the heart of Watergate
Speaker 4: is a CI blackmail operations. So and I've come across
Speaker 4: other CI blackmail operations in Washington, DC, and that is
Speaker 4: the problem right there.
Speaker 1: Trump.
Speaker 4: I don't know if Trump is compromised, and I don't
Speaker 4: know if people in his family or people close to
Speaker 4: him aren't compromised.
Speaker 1: But Trump is definitely protecting political.
Speaker 4: System that has really sure changed Americans for many, many
Speaker 4: years in so many different areas.
Speaker 3: Speaking of compromise, I mean, we'd be remiss if we
Speaker 3: didn't take a moment to discuss the Epstein birthday books.
Speaker 3: And frankly, I mean you say, I'll be completely honest
Speaker 3: with you, I'll admit that I don't have sound evidence.
Speaker 3: But I said many times in my show, the past
Speaker 3: I know of handful of months have made me reassess
Speaker 3: previous information from the past, relook at things with fresh eyes.
Speaker 3: Not that I was ever some Trump guy, but I am.
Speaker 3: I think this dude did someself some dark, dark stuff.
Speaker 3: But there's maybe maybe not. But the point being is,
Speaker 3: with this, you know, the birthday book, if we are
Speaker 3: believed that this is in any way credible at the
Speaker 3: very least, I mean, perhaps we can't say what exact
Speaker 3: untoward things were done, but I think any logical person
Speaker 3: should be able to walk away from this and realize
Speaker 3: this group of people did generousy borderline evil is basically
Speaker 3: ubiquitous with this click just kind of the way that I.
Speaker 4: Don't think we wouldn't call it borderline evil when you're
Speaker 4: destroying the lives of little girls. Yeah, I mean that's well,
Speaker 4: some of them are are very very young, much younger
Speaker 4: than the fourteen year old.
Speaker 3: Well, I was referring to the book and some of
Speaker 3: it's kind of vague in what it is, but it's
Speaker 3: definitely heavily alluding to something sinister, something something else. So
Speaker 3: so just I just kind of want to get your
Speaker 3: thoughts on that, I mean, wherever you want to take it.
Speaker 3: But just the idea that that dropped, I mean, I was,
Speaker 3: I was already thinking some pretty rough stuff about the
Speaker 3: president of that time and that dropped. And I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna lie, I was. It was one of those things
Speaker 3: where id'ling. I was already thought things are pretty bad,
Speaker 3: but that was holy moly, Like you see Bill Clinton
Speaker 3: being the tame individual in that book, and you think,
Speaker 3: oh wow, this took a very dark turn. And I'm
Speaker 3: someone who already thinks the elites are doing some crazy
Speaker 3: stuff and this was Okay, I guess I'm I guess
Speaker 3: I'm cooking with fire here. So just your thoughts on
Speaker 3: the Birthday book. I just it's just nuts to me.
Speaker 3: I Mean, I don't really know what commentary there is
Speaker 3: to say other than that, So I'm.
Speaker 1: Made a lot of words for the birthday book.
Speaker 4: As I said, I think it alludes to some major evil,
Speaker 4: and it seems from the birthday book that there's some
Speaker 4: kind of gusto involved and molesting young girls, and I
Speaker 4: believe that that's evil.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, I agree. I just the way it's
Speaker 3: it's done cryptically is what I was trying to allude to.
Speaker 3: That it's not overtly like I mean, it's basically overt
Speaker 3: for anyone with a thinking brain, but it's like in
Speaker 3: such a way that if you brought it to the
Speaker 3: court of law, you could probably argue that it wasn't.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's yeah, it's definitely evil, but just to
Speaker 3: be fair, all right. And then I think this also
Speaker 3: like another thing is you know, with the compromise question,
Speaker 3: and then also this ties into the Acosta deal. We've
Speaker 3: had this Gallain pardon concept kind of sitting in the wing.
Speaker 3: I mean, do you think I mean, obviously I don't
Speaker 3: know if you have any sort of inside information, but
Speaker 3: just I really don't think it's outside the realm of possibilities.
Speaker 3: With everything we're seeing, I think it's frankly pretty likely
Speaker 3: they seem to be leaning into up to and including
Speaker 3: legally speaking everything so far as the official narrative. And
Speaker 3: so if you know, if they didn't do nothing, then
Speaker 3: obviously that's saying that, hey, the government messed up, and
Speaker 3: they should also honor their word from before theoretically by
Speaker 3: this line of logic, and they should pardon her. Obviously,
Speaker 3: I don't believe that line of logic, but any thoughts
Speaker 3: that you find substive on just kind of the prospects
Speaker 3: of a galain. I mean, I know she also got
Speaker 3: her prison change to be something far more amentable than
Speaker 3: what she was dealing with before. Hell, I think there
Speaker 3: was even a woman who got kicked out of there
Speaker 3: for complaining about it, kicked out of that nice jail.
Speaker 3: So she's being treated with kid gloves despite the fact
Speaker 3: that she, like I think you said, what was it
Speaker 3: forty some other people in that trial, you know, ruined
Speaker 3: the lives of young, young girls. Uh so, yeah, just people.
Speaker 1: Let the Feds know about.
Speaker 4: But there's there's hundreds of girls that have been destroyed
Speaker 4: by those people.
Speaker 1: With Glene Maxwell her.
Speaker 4: The Supreme Court is deciding now whether or not it's
Speaker 4: going to hear her case, and our Supreme Court, I
Speaker 4: think is very compromised. I've written about Clarence Thomas. People
Speaker 4: can go to my h M y nick Brian NYC
Speaker 4: dot com and I've got a long blog about Clarence
Speaker 4: Thomas and how he is a freak and how he
Speaker 4: is compromised.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what kind.
Speaker 4: Of adjudication is going to go down with Glenn Maxwell
Speaker 4: and scret but it's kind of interesting because her lawyers
Speaker 4: have held off on presenting her case to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 4: And the argument that they're making is that the deal
Speaker 4: that was made with the Southern District that gave all
Speaker 4: of Epstein's co conspirators immunity applies to every district, and
Speaker 4: that is generally the case, Like if a mafia turncoat
Speaker 4: gets immunity in the Southern District of New York, they
Speaker 4: generally have immunity for the rest of the country. When
Speaker 4: Epstein was arrested in twenty nineteen, the Feds said that
Speaker 4: they didn't have to because he was arrested in the
Speaker 4: New York Southern District. That the Feds didn't have to
Speaker 4: adhere to. What had gone down in the Southern District
Speaker 4: of Florida was the rationale that they used to put
Speaker 4: Glenn Maxwell away. I hate to say this, but Glaine
Speaker 4: Maxwell has a good case. I mean, she has a
Speaker 4: fairly solid case if you look at other people that
Speaker 4: have been granted immunity.
Speaker 1: But I really hope she doesn't get immunity.
Speaker 4: And before she was put in this push prison, she
Speaker 4: was cycled into dormitory living in that prison in Florida
Speaker 4: really quickly. And dormitory living is more or less say
Speaker 4: for people that have done time, that are getting that
Speaker 4: have been exemplary prisoners and are getting ready to be released.
Speaker 4: But she leap frogged over a lot of people and
Speaker 4: ended up in dormitory living. So she even before this
Speaker 4: strange interview that she gave one of the Trump uh
Speaker 4: Department of Justice people, she had already been given preferable treatment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Todd Blanche, Yeah, all right, we're today we
Speaker 3: experienced the first day of the government shut down. And
Speaker 3: now we mentioned earlier the recess they took where everybody
Speaker 3: ran back to Israel and then before they could vote
Speaker 3: on the discharge paperwork. Now we have this government shut
Speaker 3: down that seemingly is delaying a Now we're the earliest
Speaker 3: we're going to see maybe mid October. What are your also?
Speaker 3: I do think it was meaningful. I think there were
Speaker 3: quotes at the time for the recess that there were
Speaker 3: people saying that they were actually it might even been
Speaker 3: Mike Johnson or others that straight up said the Epstein
Speaker 3: thing is why they were doing that. I mean, I
Speaker 3: could go find that later. I don't think we've seen
Speaker 3: any from this one. I think there's a little bit
Speaker 3: more at the heart of it. So I just kind
Speaker 3: of I just want to know your thoughts. Have you
Speaker 3: heard anything that does seem to imply this could be
Speaker 3: the case. It's hard not to notice it at least
Speaker 3: that it's going to affect it, And then just kind
Speaker 3: of your thoughts on how this will affect the narrative
Speaker 3: going forward, if at all. What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 4: Well, the discharge petition that Massey and Kinda have introduced
Speaker 4: requires a majority in the House, and they have two
Speaker 4: hundred and seventeen votes.
Speaker 1: They need two hundred eighteen votes. There was a election.
Speaker 4: In Arizona about a week ago and Adelita Rojava was
Speaker 4: elected to the House of Representatives and she is absolutely
Speaker 4: going to sign, so there will be two hundred and
Speaker 4: eighteen signatures. And Mike Johnson doesn't want this to go down.
Speaker 4: It's very obvious that he's doing everything he can to
Speaker 4: make sure that there isn't a.
Speaker 1: Discharge petition vote. But here's the thing about that. Even
Speaker 1: if you get.
Speaker 4: Two hundred and eighteen votes in the House, it has
Speaker 4: to go to the Senate, and the Senate majority leader
Speaker 4: has to decide that it's going to be voted on,
Speaker 4: and then it needs a majority in the Senate. And
Speaker 4: Representative or Senator Chuck Schumer from New York put a
Speaker 4: rider into a defense bill that mandated a release of
Speaker 4: the Epstein files and also an Epstein investigation, and it
Speaker 4: was defeated fifty one.
Speaker 1: To forty nine. So the discharge position would have to.
Speaker 4: It's called House Resolution five to eighty one now, and
Speaker 4: if it's voted on and there's a majority, then it
Speaker 4: would become Then it would actually be introduced as a.
Speaker 1: Bill one eighty five, and if that got a majority,
Speaker 1: then then it would go. As I said, it would
Speaker 1: go to the Senate. But the Senate has recently voted within.
Speaker 4: The last two or three weeks on it, whether or
Speaker 4: not they feel it's Germanda released the Epstein files and
Speaker 4: an Epstein investigation, and fifty one senators voted against that.
Speaker 1: So we've getten it.
Speaker 4: So we've got two hundred and seventeen representatives and fifty
Speaker 4: one Senators that have voted against children that have been
Speaker 4: molested getting any kind of justice, which is really shows
Speaker 4: how sick and appalling our system is. But then if
Speaker 4: it makes it through the House, and it makes it
Speaker 4: through the Senate, then it has to be signed into
Speaker 4: law by Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: So I really lowed the.
Speaker 4: Efforts of Massey and Conna. I mean, I really do
Speaker 4: loud their efforts, but that is not the way to go.
Speaker 4: I've got an organization, it's called Epstein Justice, and what
Speaker 4: we want is an independent congressional commission to look into
Speaker 4: the Epstein case. And an independent congressional commission can actually
Speaker 4: have been used where Congress just doesn't want to deal
Speaker 4: with something and they give it to an independent commission
Speaker 4: to look into and independent commissions have really uncovered some
Speaker 4: amazing stuff and what we would require. And when we
Speaker 4: first propose this at Epstein Justice, people thought our detractors
Speaker 4: thought we were deluded because it's going to require a
Speaker 4: majority in the House and a majority in the Senate,
Speaker 4: and it doesn't require the presidential signature at all. But
Speaker 4: we're fairly close to a majority in the House, and
Speaker 4: we're fairly close to a majority in the Senate.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm sure markers would be called in and people that
Speaker 4: are compromised would definitely vote it down. I mean, it
Speaker 4: would be a real battle. But at Epstein Justice we
Speaker 4: are this is a grassroots movement and Lisa Rakowski. Tara
Speaker 4: Palmery reported and wrote an article about Lisa Mrakowski, who
Speaker 4: is a Senator from Alaska, and it discussed how Murkowski's
Speaker 4: husband had a business relationship with Glenne Maxwell and how
Speaker 4: it was a conflict of interest of hers to vote
Speaker 4: against releasing the Epstein files and an Epstein investigation in
Speaker 4: the Senate.
Speaker 1: And we sent.
Speaker 4: Out this week, we have a Federal Legislator of the
Speaker 4: Week and we set out sent out about eighty thousand.
Speaker 1: We sent.
Speaker 4: A flyer that has a picture of Lisa Murkowski and
Speaker 4: also the number to call, and we sent that flyer
Speaker 4: to eighty thousand people this week, and we're hoping that
Speaker 4: other people will know asseminate it amongst our friends.
Speaker 1: And that's how we're going to win. We're not going
Speaker 1: to win.
Speaker 4: I really believe that we're not going to win with
Speaker 4: this discharge petition because there's just too many ways that
Speaker 4: it can go wrong. Well, how we're going to win
Speaker 4: is an independent Congressional commission, and that's going to require
Speaker 4: Americans to put a tremendous amount of heat on their legislators.
Speaker 1: But I believe that we can do it.
Speaker 4: It's our country, you know, it is our country, and
Speaker 4: we have collectively decided as Americans that we don't.
Speaker 1: Want children being molested with impunity. There was a CBS.
Speaker 4: Poll that found eighty nine percent of Americans wanted full
Speaker 4: transparency with Epstein. I don't know what's up with that
Speaker 4: other eleven percent, but eighty nine percent of Americans. So,
Speaker 4: Mike Johnson and the two hundred and seventeen House representatives
Speaker 4: and the fifty one senators, they are voting against the
Speaker 4: American will. And we've experienced that a number of times
Speaker 4: where Obama he the American Americans wanted a single payer
Speaker 4: healthcare system. And Obama had the House and he had
Speaker 4: the Senate, and we could have had a single pairent
Speaker 4: health system. But they gave us a lot of bullshit
Speaker 4: on and why they couldn't get it through, which is
Speaker 4: very troubling. So we've got and the perpetual wars in
Speaker 4: the Middle East.
Speaker 1: Eighty percent of Americans.
Speaker 4: Wanted out of those wars years ago, but our leaders
Speaker 4: didn't care. They just kept pumping money and armaments into
Speaker 4: the Middle East. So this is an opportunity for Americans
Speaker 4: to reclaim their country. And it's about children being molested.
Speaker 4: And according to the Centers for Disease Control, twenty five
Speaker 4: percent of underage girls and five percent.
Speaker 1: Of underage boys in the US have been molested.
Speaker 4: And people in the field think it's slightly conservative for
Speaker 4: underage girls and very conservative for underage boys. There was
Speaker 4: a study that found sixteen percent. That's probably too high.
Speaker 4: But if you just go with the seat see numbers,
Speaker 4: you've got over fifty million Americans that have been molested
Speaker 4: as children and I and the vast majority of them
Speaker 4: will never see justice. But if we allow the Department
Speaker 4: of Justice to be unresponsive to victims in the Epstein case,
Speaker 4: a proven trafficking case, that sends a message to millions
Speaker 4: of victims that they've got no hope or any chance
Speaker 4: for justice. So that's another level why this is so important.
Speaker 4: It's all the victims of sexual abuse in this country
Speaker 4: need to see this work, so they think that they
Speaker 4: can at one point have a voice. Many of them
Speaker 4: have just relinquished trying to have a voice. So with
Speaker 4: Epstein and an independent Congressional Commission, we can.
Speaker 1: To the heart of this.
Speaker 4: It's not going to be easy, but it's going to
Speaker 4: be worth it.
Speaker 1: It's very simple, evestein justice. We have two objectives.
Speaker 4: We want to know why four presidential administrations have covered
Speaker 4: up child sex trafficking, and we want the perpetrators to
Speaker 4: be prosecuted. Very simple. We have just two simple objectives
Speaker 4: and not easy, but simple, and we can get Americans
Speaker 4: behind that.
Speaker 1: Because this.
Speaker 4: Our leaders have done a masterful job at polarizing the
Speaker 4: right and the left. People on the right think the
Speaker 4: left is crazy, people on the left think the right
Speaker 4: is crazy. And I think that this is the one
Speaker 4: issue that can bring the right and the left together.
Speaker 4: Children shouldn't be abused with impunity and that the government
Speaker 4: shouldn't cover up child trafficking. I think that is the
Speaker 4: probably the only issue that can bring the right and
Speaker 4: left together.
Speaker 3: Now, final question, I'd kind of like to ask you,
Speaker 3: essentially your prospects in the future with all this. I
Speaker 3: think you kind of struck at something with your with
Speaker 3: the essentially the idea of a kind of a lot
Speaker 3: of these different legal actions. Essentially, if you're looking at
Speaker 3: specifically legally or what legislation come out of it, a
Speaker 3: lot of these may be somewhat for not at least
Speaker 3: from that aspect, but so far as the information that
Speaker 3: we're getting out of there, I think a lot of
Speaker 3: people are coming to realize what you know, I don't know,
Speaker 3: kind of seeing the government through a whole new different light,
Speaker 3: a very very very different light, and I think that's
Speaker 3: going to have its effects and will. Obviously I want
Speaker 3: justice for these children, but sometimes you may have to
Speaker 3: be really, we may have to have some surrealism or
Speaker 3: what is the best we can get out of it.
Speaker 3: And while I know a lot of people you know,
Speaker 3: say may pooh pooh bringing awareness, but to some extent,
Speaker 3: bringing awareness is how we prevent this from happening in
Speaker 3: the future. And also, if there is any hope whatsoever
Speaker 3: at getting any sort of justice for these individuals, it
Speaker 3: would be through this. And so I think some of
Speaker 3: the spectacle of all this this to that like, yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe ex legislation may not go through, but the very
Speaker 3: fact that you have people chattering about Oh my god,
Speaker 3: look at this birthday book, look at this. I think
Speaker 3: it makes difference. So just I kind of want to
Speaker 3: tie into your thoughts in the future, and sounds like
Speaker 3: you have some thoughts in that as well.
Speaker 1: I disagree that awareness will help. We already have awareness.
Speaker 4: We look at our awareness of the Catholic Church, look
Speaker 4: at our awareness of the boys guys, look at our
Speaker 4: awareness of Penn State, and who knows how many institutions
Speaker 4: we need to stop this now, this is going to
Speaker 4: be the best chance in our lifetimes and maybe ever
Speaker 4: to stop If you cover up a crime, I'm you're aiding.
Speaker 1: And betting that crime.
Speaker 4: So our government is aiding and betting child trafficking. And
Speaker 4: this will be the best opportunity, definitely in our lifetime
Speaker 4: and maybe ever, to stop the government from aiding and
Speaker 4: betting child trafficking. And there's been a lot of networks
Speaker 4: that have been protected over the years. I wrote about
Speaker 4: one Epstein's another one. People contact me all the time
Speaker 4: talking about how they were trafficked and protected networks, and
Speaker 4: it's kind of heartbreaking for me because I'm one guy,
Speaker 4: I'm one investigator, I'm one journalist, and it's almost impossible
Speaker 4: for me. It is impossible for me to look into
Speaker 4: all the allegations that come my way. But I really
Speaker 4: believe that this.
Speaker 1: Is something that we have to do now.
Speaker 4: It's we already have awareness, and awareness is without action
Speaker 4: isn't going to help us. Now, it's time we have awareness,
Speaker 4: and we've had awareness of child abuse being covered up
Speaker 4: for decades. Now it's time for us to act. We
Speaker 4: need to act.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you coming on, Nick, I'll respect your time.
Speaker 3: Lets you get out of here. I'd you very much
Speaker 3: like to pick your brain for a whole lot longer.
Speaker 3: We'll be sure to do that again at some point,
Speaker 3: maybe for some other topic. But I appreciate you joining
Speaker 3: us again today.
Speaker 4: Nick.
Speaker 3: You want to let people know where they can find
Speaker 3: you at any final thoughts, and then we'll get you
Speaker 3: out of here.
Speaker 4: I would suggest that you check out Ebstein Justice dot
Speaker 4: com and you can join our organization. We have monthly
Speaker 4: webinars and actually we're people are coming together by states.
Speaker 4: We've got people in various states that are going to
Speaker 4: be facilitators.
Speaker 1: And Ebstein Justice.
Speaker 4: Is a grass grassroots movement and that's what it's going
Speaker 4: to take, is a grassroots movement and we're starting to
Speaker 4: get some momentum.
Speaker 1: We're growing.
Speaker 4: The labor rights movement in the early nineteen hundreds was
Speaker 4: not an easy fight.
Speaker 1: There were children.
Speaker 4: Working for next to nothing and coal mines and people
Speaker 4: being taken advantage of in unbelievable ways. Unions came out
Speaker 4: of that, workers' rights came out of that. It was
Speaker 4: a battle, but it happened. The civil rights that was
Speaker 4: started out as a grassroots movement and it was a battle, but.
Speaker 1: We ultimately succeeded.
Speaker 4: Women's rights again, another battle, but we ultimately succeeded.
Speaker 1: So it's us.
Speaker 4: This is the next social movement is American children should
Speaker 4: not be molested. And we're never going to be able
Speaker 4: to prevent all American children from being molested, but we
Speaker 4: can definitely, we can definitely make sure that the government
Speaker 4: never protects child molesters.
Speaker 1: Again. We can do that. That's definitely possible.
Speaker 4: And so I say to your audience to come to
Speaker 4: Epstein Justice dot com and check us out and sign
Speaker 4: up for our monthly webinars. We have a webinar coming up,
Speaker 4: I believe on the twenty third this month, and we
Speaker 4: invite everyone and we hope that you'll join us as
Speaker 4: we trudge this path to a better future.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for joining us. Nick. There is no
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Speaker 3: we're gonna get out of here. Appreciate you coming. Nick.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised you stuck around with the plugs. They are
Speaker 3: a little bit likely, but thanks for sticking around. Uh,
Speaker 3: We'll see you guys on the next one. We're out
Speaker 3: of here.
Speaker 1: Have a good night, Jose you too,