Speaker 1: O d of des are.
Speaker 2: That of desire.
Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
Speaker 3: of Conspiracy. And my name's Jonathan. I'm Jacob and today Jacob.
Speaker 3: Let the COLT members know what the fuck we're talking
Speaker 3: about today, sir.
Speaker 4: So there, I was doing my little historical deep dives,
Speaker 4: as I am one to do from time to time,
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, I was looking into some Vietnam
Speaker 4: war stuff. I do enjoy looking at that, not just
Speaker 4: for the warfare of it all, but also the political
Speaker 4: time frame, the era in American history and a lot
Speaker 4: of the things that we did as and we, I
Speaker 4: mean the Royal we as far as what we did
Speaker 4: in Southeast Asia. And I find it to be a
Speaker 4: very interesting conversation because like, for instance, Vietnam is one
Speaker 4: of the only countries where we have been to war
Speaker 4: or at war with them at one point in time
Speaker 4: in the last two hundred years, where pretty much as
Speaker 4: soon as the war ended, give them a ten year
Speaker 4: time gap, and then they got.
Speaker 1: Real cool with us, like real cool.
Speaker 4: You have a lot of Vietnam era veterans that will
Speaker 4: go to Vietnam today and the Vietnamese people hold no grudge,
Speaker 4: like they are not some type of way about the
Speaker 4: fact that you killed so many of us. And oh,
Speaker 4: look the old guy sitting in the room of their
Speaker 4: missing an arm. That's because of year fifty cows. Nah,
Speaker 4: they're just whatever about it right now to this day.
Speaker 3: Why is that?
Speaker 4: I wish I knew. I mean, granted, Vietnam, the Vietnam
Speaker 4: War was about communism, really and truly. You had the
Speaker 4: North Vietnamese, the NVA or the Vietcong, who wanted communism
Speaker 4: to take over as the premier government type in Vietnam,
Speaker 4: and you had the South Vietnamese that were very pro
Speaker 4: democracy and they were very pro American and because of
Speaker 4: that a war spurned up, as it did during the.
Speaker 1: Cold War all of the world.
Speaker 4: But after we left, and which for the record, we
Speaker 4: won the Vietnam War. I know a lot of people
Speaker 4: will argue that point, but that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 1: The fact of the matter is how you declare who.
Speaker 4: Loses a ward, who was forced to come to the
Speaker 4: table to sign a treaty that was not beneficial to them,
Speaker 4: That is who lost the war.
Speaker 1: Vietnam lost the war against us.
Speaker 4: We left two years later, we had that whole embassy
Speaker 4: situation and that's what the optics were to show the
Speaker 4: world that we lost. The war didn't happen. But whatever, Kay,
Speaker 4: Communism took over Vietnam for a while. They're pretty democratic
Speaker 4: these days. But that's neither here nor there either. So
Speaker 4: as I was looking into some stuff, I heard about
Speaker 4: the Secret War, which I had heard about.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 4: It took place in Laos and Cambodia and some of
Speaker 4: the neighboring countries to Vietnam, and I stumbled upon a
Speaker 4: place called the Plane of Jars, Jonathan, have you ever
Speaker 4: heard of this place?
Speaker 1: Before we get into it?
Speaker 3: Oh, but secret War sounds very marvel of you, sir Ah.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 4: So the Secret War was basically the Huchi Minh Trail.
Speaker 4: Have you ever heard this?
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 4: So Hou Chi Minh or Ho Chi Minh, however you
Speaker 4: want to say, was the leader of the North Vietnamese Army. Okay,
Speaker 4: he the guy Huci Minh, right, And there was something
Speaker 4: called the Huchi Minh Trail, which was a combination of
Speaker 4: trails through the jungles, underground cave networks that had been
Speaker 4: dug out all these things, and it was a way
Speaker 4: that they would send supplies and weapons and manpower from
Speaker 4: point A to point B. Basically, these dudes you would
Speaker 4: see nothing in the jungle, and out of nowhere you'd
Speaker 4: have like two platoon sized elements swarm you, and by
Speaker 4: the time you looked up, the fighting was over and
Speaker 4: they were gone. It's because they popped out of man
Speaker 4: holes that are like one foot by one foot squares
Speaker 4: carved out of rock, and we couldn't see them. That's
Speaker 4: where tunnel rats became a thing, right, American soldiers with
Speaker 4: a forty five in a light that would dive into
Speaker 4: these caves and these tunnels to see what the hell
Speaker 4: was down there. Right, So all of this was all
Speaker 4: a part of the Huchim Introil. Now, there was a
Speaker 4: section of this trail that went through Laos and Cambodia
Speaker 4: because we weren't allowed to go there. The war was
Speaker 4: in Vietnam. American forces couldn't go to Laos and couldn't
Speaker 4: go to Cambodia because they were not in open war
Speaker 4: with America. It's kind of similar to think of Afghanistan,
Speaker 4: right Osama bin Laden hung out in Pakistan. We couldn't
Speaker 4: go there because we weren't at war with Pakistan.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Okay, so a section of this trail went through Laos
Speaker 4: and this is where the plane of Jars is located.
Speaker 4: But before we get into the possible connections thereof let's
Speaker 4: talk plane of jars.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: So this place has thousands of giant stone jars, some
Speaker 4: of them way up to like eight or ten tons, okay,
Speaker 4: and they are scattered around this area. No one knows
Speaker 4: exactly where they came from. We're going to get into
Speaker 4: a lot of archaeological conversations about who might have carved them,
Speaker 4: where they came from. They were mined from a quarry
Speaker 4: eight miles or kilometers rather away from this site, and
Speaker 4: no one knows exactly who brought them here or for
Speaker 4: what purpose. This good cult members is why I brought.
Speaker 1: It to the show.
Speaker 4: This is a weird situation where we are going to
Speaker 4: be blending the modern day, We're gonna be blending the
Speaker 4: ancient world, the unexplained folklore giants and why the US
Speaker 4: dropped two hundred and sixty two million cluster bombs.
Speaker 1: All over this area?
Speaker 4: Could this be because they wanted to cover up the
Speaker 4: ancient origins of these jars?
Speaker 3: Are we going like, how do we know how far
Speaker 3: these jars date back.
Speaker 1: No one knows for sure. There are and we're gonna read.
Speaker 4: There's articles that I've brought on, there's videos that I
Speaker 4: brought on. Good cult members, you're gonna want to see this, okay,
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna tell you now, the best estimates for
Speaker 4: the longest time were twelve hundred years ago, right, But
Speaker 4: then they became two thousand years ago. Now the arguments
Speaker 4: are over three thousand years ago.
Speaker 1: And here's the kicker.
Speaker 4: Some of them are made from sandstone, which is relatively
Speaker 4: easy to carve out. I mean, how bronze tools could
Speaker 4: carve out standstone beautifully with no issue. But some of
Speaker 4: these are made of granite, meaning that they were carved
Speaker 4: with iron. Jonathan, they didn't have iron three thousand years ago.
Speaker 4: The iron age didn't exist three thousand years ago.
Speaker 1: So this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: We're blending, We're blending a lot of different ideas and
Speaker 4: perspectives on this. Get ready, everybody, today we are gonna
Speaker 4: be talking about the conspiratorial origins of the Plane of Jars.
Speaker 4: And if you would like to see this episode, see
Speaker 4: the videos, see the article, and see these gorgeous pictures rather.
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Speaker 1: One hundred percent with you. That's agreed.
Speaker 4: So all right, now let's get into the plane of jars.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go ahead and share the screen at this time, Like.
Speaker 1: Princess, look at these things.
Speaker 4: They are massive stone containers and none of them really
Speaker 4: makes sense as far as how they got there, Who
Speaker 4: built them, how did they get brought here from a
Speaker 4: stone quarry eight kilometers away from this location?
Speaker 1: How old are they? Now?
Speaker 4: I will say this before we get into it. There's
Speaker 4: a couple of different theories as to what they're supposed
Speaker 4: to be used for, and the going theory as of
Speaker 4: this moment is something along the.
Speaker 1: Lines of burial.
Speaker 4: Okay, there were some skeletal fragments found in one, there
Speaker 4: were some charred charred remains rather found in another, some trinkets,
Speaker 4: some beads, some little things like this, and okay, that
Speaker 4: makes sense. But if you look at it grand scheme
Speaker 4: looking at one individual, because they laid it out in
Speaker 4: grid squares. There's like zone one, zone two, zone three,
Speaker 4: all these zones, and that's how archaeology is done, so
Speaker 4: you don't miss anything. Everything is laid out in grid
Speaker 4: squares and you dig your entire square through and through,
Speaker 4: and that's like this person is designated for this one
Speaker 4: square and that's their whole job to make sure that
Speaker 4: you're getting as many eyes on as much area as possible.
Speaker 4: If you look at one of the burial then okay,
Speaker 4: that makes perfect sense, and you could understand why they
Speaker 4: would say that all of these were basically burial tombs.
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, except none of them line up.
Speaker 4: Every style of burial goes completely against the other type
Speaker 4: that was found in this jar, which is completely different
Speaker 4: from this type found in this jar. It makes no
Speaker 4: sense if this was all done by the same culture
Speaker 4: and in the same region, even for hundreds, if not
Speaker 4: thousands of years, there would at least be some kind
Speaker 4: of rhyme or reason to it.
Speaker 1: All right, It's not like for Egyptian ummification.
Speaker 4: Okay, looking at an Egyptian mummy from the first and
Speaker 4: the oldest mummy that we can find, to King tut
Speaker 4: to Cleopatra, there's wide, wide centuries worth of gaps that
Speaker 4: I just said with those three things. Okay, the mummification
Speaker 4: principles and practices are the same. They kept it the same.
Speaker 4: None of these are the same. It makes no sense whatsoever.
Speaker 3: So as far as these uh, these jars go, is
Speaker 3: it like are they buried into the ground like an
Speaker 3: easter Island type of situation, or are they is there
Speaker 3: a hole beneath them? Like how deep do they go
Speaker 3: or is it just surface level?
Speaker 1: No? No, they're enclosed. They're enclosed.
Speaker 4: There's absolutely a bottom of these, not like Easter Island
Speaker 4: where it's like it's right there and then you dig
Speaker 4: down and it's like there's more to it.
Speaker 1: No, no, No, it's what you see is what you get.
Speaker 4: You might have it like a foot below the dirt,
Speaker 4: you know, like some erosion and some soil has gone
Speaker 4: up the sides. Very normal for it being there upwards
Speaker 4: of three thousand years kind of thing, But not to
Speaker 4: not to say that there's like a whole complex underneath
Speaker 4: them or something like that. There's no tunnels that connect
Speaker 4: them or anything like this. They're just out here and
Speaker 4: no one can give any real reason as to why,
Speaker 4: although the local legends say that they were giants that
Speaker 4: made them for specific reasons. We're gonna get to.
Speaker 3: It all cauldrons, do I not like cauldrons.
Speaker 4: Like this was allegedly giant jars that were used to
Speaker 4: hold whiskey when a great king won a battle and
Speaker 4: wanted a party.
Speaker 1: Hard.
Speaker 3: Oh I hope that's real.
Speaker 1: I hope so too.
Speaker 4: But for the amount of jars, It's like, bro, how
Speaker 4: drunk did these people get There's hundreds of these things?
Speaker 3: Are you're talking about giants? Bro? I mean they probably
Speaker 3: can a few, you know.
Speaker 1: They could they could throw it down, Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 4: So from the first first video we're gonna play here
Speaker 4: is from R M R U I n K. The
Speaker 4: Plane of Jars Medalist Jesus Mesalithic.
Speaker 3: Mystery in Laos megalithic Yeah, thank you, let's check it out.
Speaker 5: Since their discovery in the nineteen thirties, the giant stone
Speaker 5: jars scattered throughout central Laos have remained a prehistoric puzzle.
Speaker 5: These megalithic jar sites, collectively known as the Plane of Jars,
Speaker 5: cover over two thousand square kilometers and are filled with
Speaker 5: thousands of enormous stone jars, some weighing up to fourteen tons.
Speaker 5: Who put them there and why archaeologists are still puzzled.
Speaker 5: One theory suggests that the jars were used for burials
Speaker 5: or ritualistic purposes. Another legend tells of a race of
Speaker 5: giants who used the jars to brew and store rice wine.
Speaker 5: The jars themselves give little clue as to their origins
Speaker 5: or purpose. Carved of rock and varying in shape and size,
Speaker 5: they are predominantly constructed of sandstone, Brescia conglomerate, granite, and limestone.
Speaker 5: After decades of speculation, a team of researchers used optically
Speaker 5: stimulated luminescence to date the jars. They discovered that the
Speaker 5: jars were constructed between twelve forty and six hundred sixty BC.
Speaker 5: The function of the jars is still debated, with some
Speaker 5: suggesting they were mortuary vessels or used to capture rainwater
Speaker 5: for caravans passing through the region. Researchers have also found
Speaker 5: intricately carved discs buried with the jars. These discs feature
Speaker 5: geometrical images of concentric circles, human figures, and animals. Some
Speaker 5: believe they may have served as burial markers. The Plane
Speaker 5: of Jars in Laos remains a mysterious and enigmatic archaeological site.
Speaker 5: Despite years of research, the true purpose of these giant
Speaker 5: stone jars continues to elude us.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: There's no one set pattern to their placement or even
Speaker 4: how they look. Some of them have a lip, some
Speaker 4: of them look like they were pretty much just kind
Speaker 4: of carved into some sort of a.
Speaker 1: Bowl shape and then left.
Speaker 4: Some of them are short as and they only come
Speaker 4: up to maybe your knee. Some of them are eight
Speaker 4: foot tall. Some of them have lids and or you know,
Speaker 4: lids next to them, these discs that were next to
Speaker 4: them that they believe were lids to them.
Speaker 1: Some not.
Speaker 4: But even still, even if that is a lid for
Speaker 4: that jar, bro, what kind of manpower do you think
Speaker 4: you're gonna need to lift the lid to go on
Speaker 4: to a fourteen ton jar.
Speaker 3: This is why this is and this is the kind
Speaker 3: of shit this along with the Pyramids, amongst other things
Speaker 3: like we just mentioned Dester Island and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: This is why, like I honestly truly believe that history
Speaker 3: is a lie agreed upon because history has no fucking
Speaker 3: answer for shit like this. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: How do you just not know?
Speaker 4: Well, they were allegedly found quote unquote by found, I
Speaker 4: mean like by Western scientists in the nineteen thirties. The
Speaker 4: locals have known about them for thousands of years, right,
Speaker 4: And that's what you're saying. Their best estimates were twelve
Speaker 4: hundred to twenty eight hundred BC. Like we're talking coming
Speaker 4: up on four thousand years old, and they didn't know
Speaker 4: that until recently. They the last burial that was done
Speaker 4: was in twelve hundred AD in one of these jars,
Speaker 4: which made them believe that maybe they were a little
Speaker 4: earlier constructed than what you know, the people are thinking.
Speaker 4: The new evidence is pointing to three thousand plus years old,
Speaker 4: So we're talking about prehistory for this region, which is
Speaker 4: where it goes more into the line of the legend
Speaker 4: and lore to it.
Speaker 1: But I mean, look at these things, all of them.
Speaker 4: You got some that are shorter, some of them that
Speaker 4: are way larger like this. I couldn't stand up and
Speaker 4: like look into this like that's.
Speaker 3: Why there was a whole like grown up standing right
Speaker 3: next to the one of those and it was way
Speaker 3: over him.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: Look, these are the people, I mean, I mean they're
Speaker 4: probably right. Yeah, yeah, that's true. We're talking about Laos
Speaker 4: or Laoshian people, so they are smaller in stature than
Speaker 4: most like European or Westerns. But even still, these people,
Speaker 4: as compared to these things that are way in the background. Bro,
Speaker 4: like you might be able to stay on your tiptoes
Speaker 4: and peer into that jar.
Speaker 3: Maybe, oh man, I cannot wait to hear some of
Speaker 3: the theories about this. You ready to go?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So this is from Archaeology magazine, and this is going
Speaker 4: to be the first article that we read talking about.
Speaker 1: Some of the finer points of this situation.
Speaker 3: I'm following Belgian archaeology archaeologist Julie Vanderberg around Laos remote
Speaker 3: Jeang Xuang province. Did I crush that?
Speaker 1: I think so?
Speaker 3: Hell yeah. We're inspecting giant ancient vessels which are scattered
Speaker 3: through rice patties, forests, and hilltops at more than sixty
Speaker 3: sites across what is known as the Plane of Jars.
Speaker 3: Archaeologists think the jars were mortuary containers, perhaps two thousand
Speaker 3: years old, but no one knows for sure their precise age,
Speaker 3: who built them, or why they are swathed in mystery
Speaker 3: and surrounded by unexploded bombs. Unexploded bombs.
Speaker 4: So they're gonna get into it more off more throughout
Speaker 4: the articles and the videos and things. But it's not
Speaker 4: like you can even go and check these out to
Speaker 4: this day, like you can. There's a few of them
Speaker 4: where they have cleared the path and it's okay to
Speaker 4: go there. Operation Barrel Roll, which we're gonna go into
Speaker 4: more in depth. We dropped more bombs on the plane
Speaker 4: of jars, then we dropped on the entirety of Europe,
Speaker 4: in the entirety of World War II.
Speaker 3: O okay, well, Jiang Kwang Province is one of the
Speaker 3: most heavily bombed places on Earth. Between nineteen sixty four
Speaker 3: and nineteen seventy three, the United States dumped four billion,
Speaker 3: four billion pounds of bombs on the country and a
Speaker 3: secret war against Pathet Lao and North Vietnamese communists. Up
Speaker 3: to a third of them never exploded, and they litter
Speaker 3: the land today. While generally s to tread upon buried UXO,
Speaker 3: unexploded ordinance can detonate when an erratic fuse is inadvertently triggered.
Speaker 3: The earth around here is dangerous to farmers plowing fields,
Speaker 3: children staking buffalo out to graze, and to archaeologists. The
Speaker 3: jars are huge, up to nine feet tall and the
Speaker 3: largest weighing fourteen tons. Most are carved of sandstone, others
Speaker 3: of granite conglomerate or calcified coral, some around, others angular,
Speaker 3: and few have discs that appear to be lids. Tools
Speaker 3: and human remains found inside and around the jars suggest
Speaker 3: their use and manufacture spans centuries. The bulk of material
Speaker 3: dates from five hundred BC to AD eight hundred AD,
Speaker 3: and additional carbon dates are expected this summer.
Speaker 1: Are quick, real quick.
Speaker 4: So the bulkan materials that they have found inside these
Speaker 4: jars date to between five hundred BC and eight hundred AD.
Speaker 3: That's just okay, stuff that's inside them.
Speaker 1: That's just the stuff that's inside of them.
Speaker 4: And the most recent studies are showing that they were
Speaker 4: constructed twenty eight hundred BC, so we are talking about
Speaker 4: over two thousand years before this earliest remains that we
Speaker 4: have inside of there being found. No one has a
Speaker 4: clue where they actually came from.
Speaker 3: Oh, what's that other place over in I can't remember
Speaker 3: if it's England or Ireland with the bunch of all
Speaker 3: the little statues, not not Easter Island, but all the
Speaker 3: little Stonehenge Stonehenge, That's what I was thinking of. I've
Speaker 3: actually heard several theories that that you know, that goes
Speaker 3: back super far and that maybe some people as time
Speaker 3: went on, started to use them for something different as
Speaker 3: opposed to what they were originally created for. And so
Speaker 3: I bet you that that's what's going on here. Because
Speaker 3: if you got something here that these things were, that
Speaker 3: there was something possibly in these jars, you know, five
Speaker 3: hundred BC. But even but they were created damn near
Speaker 3: one thousand years before that, or a little bit more than.
Speaker 1: A thousousand years before that, dude.
Speaker 3: Right, So clearly somebody created it for something and somebody
Speaker 3: else started using it for something else, Right, isn't that
Speaker 3: what it says?
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying to say that these were meant
Speaker 4: to be burial sites. I understand the theory behind that,
Speaker 4: and at least the trail of thought that would lead
Speaker 4: to that conclusion. Right, you find some skeleton remains inside
Speaker 4: of some but again, none of the burial practices align
Speaker 4: with each other. And I understand that, like cultures change
Speaker 4: over time, perhaps in these centuries, these people buried themselves
Speaker 4: like this, and in these centuries they buried themselves like this,
Speaker 4: And like, okay, I could at least understand Outlaud, where
Speaker 4: you're going with this, big dog. There is no way
Speaker 4: that that was the actual intended design and function of
Speaker 4: these vessels.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why would you go through all that trouble just
Speaker 3: to I mean, I get it. You know, it's pretty
Speaker 3: honorable to bury somebody going through all this craziness. I
Speaker 3: get it, but I.
Speaker 4: Mean it's not like that's the normal way of burying
Speaker 4: somebody in the country of Laos. This is in one
Speaker 4: select region that has these jars. Like the country has
Speaker 4: been around for forever, Burma has been around for forever, Vietnam,
Speaker 4: all these places, they're neighboring to each other, like they
Speaker 4: share a lot of cultural similarities. Nobody buries their dead
Speaker 4: like this enshrined in a giant jar shaped tomb. That's
Speaker 4: not something that the people have done in this area.
Speaker 4: Even like if we're gonna go ancient times here, two
Speaker 4: tribes over, they were just burying them as you would
Speaker 4: bury anybody, or burning them as you would burn anybody
Speaker 4: in the You might have charred remains in a jar
Speaker 4: of some type, but like an urn, not a fourteen
Speaker 4: ton nine foot tall stone carved jar. This is very,
Speaker 4: very This is something that has not no precedence anywhere
Speaker 4: else in this region.
Speaker 3: That's a little extra. Yeah, so it says archaeologists are
Speaker 3: certain the Plane of Jars is one of Southeast Asia's
Speaker 3: most important archaeola sites, but it is one with more
Speaker 3: questions than answers. French archaeologist Madeline Kolani pioneered research and
Speaker 3: Jang Shuang in the nineteen thirties. She found jars with
Speaker 3: cremated human remains and a nearby cave with burned bones
Speaker 3: and ash. Kilani speculated the cave was a crematorium, the
Speaker 3: jars were mortuary vessels, and the fields were ancient cemeteries. Today,
Speaker 3: more than two thousand jars have been identified across the province.
Speaker 3: Two thousand of those things.
Speaker 4: Two thousand and all of them. And like you said,
Speaker 4: some of it's out of coral like from the ocean,
Speaker 4: some of it's from sandstone, some of it's from granite.
Speaker 4: And none of them were carved in place. They were
Speaker 4: all carved from other areas and brought here. That it's
Speaker 4: mind blowing to see and to think of why these
Speaker 4: things happen.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know some people they maybe you have
Speaker 3: a little bit of faith and respect in regards to
Speaker 3: history up to a certain point. I feel like once
Speaker 3: you start reaching to twenty five hundred, three thousand years ago,
Speaker 3: four thousand years ago, it starts to get so damn murky.
Speaker 3: It's hard to follow.
Speaker 4: This is and see, this is this is the part
Speaker 4: of history that I love. I do love all of it,
Speaker 4: don't even me wrong.
Speaker 1: I love the.
Speaker 4: Written down, the archaeological history that backs the written history
Speaker 4: and all these things.
Speaker 1: I do love that.
Speaker 4: But this is where it goes into the legends and
Speaker 4: the myths and the lore that's surrounding certain things, because
Speaker 4: that's pretty much all we have to go on, especially
Speaker 4: when it's something like this in this area of the world,
Speaker 4: three thousand year old carved vessels that no one even
Speaker 4: the local legends and Lord just say, oh yeah, giants
Speaker 4: carve those that they could drink to celebrate a victory.
Speaker 4: It's like, wait, I'm sorry, come back with that, Like
Speaker 4: you have no other story that backs this claim.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna get to it all.
Speaker 3: I mean, we're talking about different humans, dude. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. I'm not necessarily saying it Lantian or
Speaker 3: anything like that, but I'm saying, like, these these people
Speaker 3: were very different than the people of today, right, And
Speaker 3: so I get that, Like maybe even now you'd look
Speaker 3: back and be like, all right, well, if we were
Speaker 3: those people with the technology and the understanding of you know,
Speaker 3: how rocks work, and you know, you want to get
Speaker 3: weird with the lay lines and what grid and maybe
Speaker 3: there's something along there, right, But I just don't know
Speaker 3: if you can even try to get into the mind
Speaker 3: of somebody four thousand years ago, Like it's probably literally
Speaker 3: night and day.
Speaker 4: And again if it was sandstone, if all of them
Speaker 4: were sandstone, it's very interesting, it's very cool.
Speaker 1: Why did they do it, how they do it? Who
Speaker 1: did it? Who knows?
Speaker 4: Right, But at least you could understand, bro, some of
Speaker 4: these are granite and coral. You're not chipping away at
Speaker 4: these things with bronze. I'm sorry. It requires iron and
Speaker 4: we didn't have iron three thousand years ago.
Speaker 3: Well, it says these archaeological treasures sits on one of
Speaker 3: the world's poorest regions. That's why Vanderberg, a UNESCO consultant
Speaker 3: from the Hong Kong based Archaeological Assessments, is here. She
Speaker 3: hopes to turn the Plane of Jars into a UNESCO
Speaker 3: World Heritage Site. The UNESCO lab I'm sorry. The UNESCO
Speaker 3: LAO project to safeguard the Plane of Jars aims not
Speaker 3: only to protect the vessels, but to rehabilitate, rehabilitate this
Speaker 3: remote province by clearing bombs, restoring agricultural lands and promoting tourism.
Speaker 3: A specialist in geoarchaeology with a decade of experience in Asia,
Speaker 3: Vanderberg has worked in Laos on six week stints for
Speaker 3: four years now in conjunction with the Lao government and
Speaker 3: a geographer from Bangkok. The project I just had to
Speaker 3: put a little oh on that one.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: The project includes training Laosians to recover, record, and store
Speaker 3: archaeological material, create a precise map of the jar fields,
Speaker 3: and identify key areas for preservation and tourism development. The
Speaker 3: project also enlists local villagers to help with these tasks
Speaker 3: and involves the British based Minds Advisory Group or MAG,
Speaker 3: a non governmental organization hired to remove explosives from the
Speaker 3: most popular Jar sites. Some dubbed the Plane of Jars
Speaker 3: the world's most dangerous archaeological site, and Vanderberg readily agrees.
Speaker 3: While archaeologists occasionally encounter UXO in war torn countries and
Speaker 3: military testing grounds around the world, perhaps no archaeological site
Speaker 3: is as contaminated as the Plane of Jars. Two archaeologists
Speaker 3: conducted limited excavations in the nineteen nineties without incident, but
Speaker 3: that's just luck. Vanderberg says, I've come home from surveying
Speaker 3: and thought, I'm happy to be getting into the car
Speaker 3: and coming home.
Speaker 4: So this picture you see right here, this is in
Speaker 4: basically the welcoming tourist attraction. This is just a handful
Speaker 4: of the two hundred and sixty two million bombs that
Speaker 4: were dropped in the plane of jars field.
Speaker 3: Oh man, Yeah, that's uh, that's quite a bit sure there.
Speaker 3: So insane, man, it says. The writer of this article says,
Speaker 3: my husband Jerry, and I first visited sheng Chuang in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety eight. Back then, the capital fon Savan was
Speaker 3: a wild West sort of town with a main street
Speaker 3: of mud on again off again water and equally unreliable electricity.
Speaker 3: You could count on three fingers the tourists arriving each
Speaker 3: day on three fingers.
Speaker 1: That's wild.
Speaker 3: We stayed at a dimly lit guesthouse with a lobby
Speaker 3: full of bomb casings, mortarshells, grenades, and guns. Back then,
Speaker 3: we knew uxo still polluted the ground, but we didn't
Speaker 3: know the jar sites still remained riddled with bombs, or
Speaker 3: that UXO continued to kill villagers every week in jeng Chuang,
Speaker 3: And we didn't know our guest house displayed four live bombs,
Speaker 3: no worries, MAG removed them. When we arrive in fon Savan,
Speaker 3: this time, it's still a dusty cowtown, but the knights
Speaker 3: are ablaze with flure essence. Cheap restaurants and guesthouses line
Speaker 3: the streets, and tourists from all over the world fill them.
Speaker 3: Vanderberg drives us half an hour outside of town over
Speaker 3: a bone rattling road to a wooden house where MAG
Speaker 3: bases its operations. There we meet Stuart Broome, a jovial
Speaker 3: ex military man from Australia who heads the clearance team.
Speaker 3: The staff, about two dozen strong, are celebrating. Beer is flowing,
Speaker 3: music is thumping. A week ahead of schedule. They've just
Speaker 3: finished clearing jar sites one, two, and three, the most
Speaker 3: popular tourist stops, each within a forty five minute drive
Speaker 3: of Fonsevin. Visitors can now can safely explore those sites,
Speaker 3: provided they stick within Mag's red and white concrete markers.
Speaker 3: Tourists come unaware of how dangerous jiang Zhuan is. Vanderberg
Speaker 3: says the jars have attracted travelers as long as Laos has,
Speaker 3: but many recent visitors never knew that they were crossing
Speaker 3: contaminated land. That's sketchy. Some local guides mistakenly told their
Speaker 3: guests all was their guests, all was safe and clear,
Speaker 3: long before it was here. The ordinance problem isn't visible
Speaker 3: as as it is in neighboring Cambodia, where land mines
Speaker 3: have left thousands of amputees. If UFO or if UXO blows,
Speaker 3: it'll just kill you. Brim says, no limbs lost, no
Speaker 3: person left, nothing to illustrate the danger. Sket gee, dude,
Speaker 3: you want to turn that into a tourist town.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, and that was the problem in the
Speaker 4: jungle warfare, in the gorilla fighting that took place. It
Speaker 4: was seen as, I don't want to say, a necessary evil,
Speaker 4: but for lack of better words, yeah, a necessary evil.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like when we think of dropping ordinance from
Speaker 4: a plane, usually people will think of something akin to
Speaker 4: World War Two. Right, You have these big bombers that
Speaker 4: would open those bay doors, and you just have a
Speaker 4: string of bombs that follow after it.
Speaker 1: Boom boom, boom boo boom, And that was just it.
Speaker 4: These dudes were dropping mines and cluster bombs that won't
Speaker 4: explode until you step on them, right, So they did
Speaker 4: all of this, and like they said, it did in
Speaker 4: Cambodia as well, but most of Cambodia. You well, maybe
Speaker 4: it depends on if you look into this region or not.
Speaker 4: It's a lot more documented in Cambodia because still to
Speaker 4: this day, people will a farmer will be, you know,
Speaker 4: plowing his new fields and he'll hit a bomb and
Speaker 4: he'll blow up, and like he'll lose a limb or
Speaker 4: something like that. America stopped using these pretty much after
Speaker 4: the Vietnam War because that was seen as inhumane, which
Speaker 4: I personally agree with. But then to drop them in
Speaker 4: an area like this and then not pick them up afterwards.
Speaker 4: If you're gonna use these things for warfare, I get it.
Speaker 4: I'm with you one hundred percent. But it's also on
Speaker 4: you to clean up your mess after the fact so
Speaker 4: that life can continue and resume as scheduled after the
Speaker 4: war is over. We pretty much say, nah, Son, we
Speaker 4: weren't even in Cambodi or a Laos, which you're talking about.
Speaker 4: We went back and cleaned up a lot of Vietnam.
Speaker 4: We didn't do shit for Laos because that was a
Speaker 4: part of the secret war. We didn't do shit in
Speaker 4: Cambodia for the same reason. So a lot of these
Speaker 4: locals were just left to figure it the fuck out.
Speaker 3: Oh it makes sense. So it says there is no
Speaker 3: reliable tally of UXO victims, but experts here of at
Speaker 3: least one a week. They admit that's probably low. Oh
Speaker 3: my god.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like real shit.
Speaker 3: Dude, Like you're dying, they said. They like, you're not
Speaker 3: getting limbs blown off, You're just done. And there's like,
Speaker 3: there's never gonna be a record of you ever again.
Speaker 4: Somewhere I've seen Essaman saying somewhere between one to five
Speaker 4: a week pretty much, and it's been that way for
Speaker 4: the past few decades.
Speaker 3: Oh man, So they admit that's probably low. Broom tells
Speaker 3: us of tells us of eleven accidents the week before
Speaker 3: we meet that we know of. Uh, there were four
Speaker 3: two weeks before that that we know of in quotes,
Speaker 3: but later we learn of eight more for a total
Speaker 3: of twelve that we know of. Is an often used
Speaker 3: qualifier here. Mag's clearance records are staggering. Since work started
Speaker 3: in July of two thousand and four, the team has
Speaker 3: successfully removed and destroyed one hundred and twenty seven pieces
Speaker 3: of UXO. Cleared six acres. Visually searched fifty five acres
Speaker 3: and found thirty eight and fourteen pieces of scrap metal.
Speaker 3: And that's just Site one. Finding explosives using a variety
Speaker 3: of metal detectors covering fifteen inch to seven foot swaths
Speaker 3: is a scrupulous task. Workers move back and forth up
Speaker 3: and down a grid of red rope lanes, detectors in hand.
Speaker 3: Each signal was marked with a red chip, and each
Speaker 3: chip is investigated by a technician with a shovel. They
Speaker 3: always dig down and toward the source, starting half a
Speaker 3: foot back. We don't dig on top, Broom explains, because
Speaker 3: that could cause uxos to blow up. UXO is a
Speaker 3: UXO that is safe to move. Is stored until each Friday,
Speaker 3: when Mag detonates the entire higher the entire week's cash.
Speaker 3: It's really similar archaeology and bomb disposal, they explain. When
Speaker 3: mag clears a sight, all the scrap metal is plopped
Speaker 3: into a bucket. Broom Is is first to peek at
Speaker 3: the findings, and Vanderberg's quick to follow. Both are curious
Speaker 3: about the bucket because its contents can tell a story
Speaker 3: about the site, either through bomb fragments or metal artifacts,
Speaker 3: brom or broom rather and I examined the bucket one morning.
Speaker 3: A projectile fragment, cartridge cases, barred wire cans. I pick
Speaker 3: up a piece. It's a cartridge case from a recoils rifle.
Speaker 1: You said that recoil Liss rifle. Yeah, basically it's an
Speaker 1: anti tank.
Speaker 4: It's a recoilss rifle.
Speaker 1: It's a cannon. It's a fucking cannon.
Speaker 4: I know dudes that were shooting in the carl goostaf
Speaker 4: Recoilist rifle. For the record, you're only allowed quote unquote
Speaker 4: to shoot like five of those a day, like five
Speaker 4: rounds because of the concussive force in the sound.
Speaker 1: And shit. Yeah, they're bad piece of equipment. As for show.
Speaker 3: So they found one, he says, uh, he ogles an
Speaker 3: aluminum bit. I think it's part of a rocket motor's.
Speaker 3: It was all found in the in the parking lot
Speaker 3: at Site three. One bright Saturday, Vanderberg leads us through
Speaker 3: side one, pointing to hundreds of jars scattered over parched
Speaker 3: grasslands and rolling hills just outside of a town. A
Speaker 3: few cow's grays through the area. Western tourists trundle downhill
Speaker 3: ignoring the MAG markers. Lausen kids scramble uphill doing the same.
Speaker 3: It will take time for people to learn. I think
Speaker 3: that would be a pretty good lesson.
Speaker 4: You would think so, but there's always people that are like, ah,
Speaker 4: fuck it, I'll be fine. I've I've been here a
Speaker 4: thousand times, I've never found one yet, and then kaboom, it'd.
Speaker 1: Be like this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're lucky until you're not, you know exactly. So
Speaker 3: we walk from jar to jar, each in small clusters.
Speaker 3: Vanderburgh only has permission to survey on site. All our
Speaker 3: excavations are connected to the MAG excavation, she explains. We
Speaker 3: don't have permission to excavate for research. She suspects the
Speaker 3: ground below our feet is rife with archaeological information, perhaps tools,
Speaker 3: burial urns, bones, or charcoal that could more precisely pin
Speaker 3: a date or offer conclusions on the historical background of
Speaker 3: the site. But Vanderbergh is here solely to help prepare
Speaker 3: the sites for nomination for World Heritage status. Taking inventory,
Speaker 3: mapping jars, and creating database. Working with MAG provided a
Speaker 3: bonus the chance to see below the surface, so while
Speaker 3: they dig, we collect the information. She says. In fact,
Speaker 3: the jars have not been studied much archaeologically. Laos is
Speaker 3: almost terra incognita, writes THONKSA, fuck that last name, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I try that savant COMMANDI the countries. That was pretty close.
Speaker 3: The country's only certified archaeologists and one of few to
Speaker 3: have excavated the jars. He, like Vanderberg, relies heavily on Kolani,
Speaker 3: who documented her findings in two massive volumes titled The
Speaker 3: Megalith of Upper Laos. Seventy years later, there remained the
Speaker 3: primary source on the jars. The plane of Jars seems
Speaker 3: to coincide with the Karat Plateau in Thailand and the
Speaker 3: North Kartshar Kotcher Hills of India, where jar burials have
Speaker 3: also been found. These were transformative times some two thousand
Speaker 3: years ago, of agricultural advancement, metal manufacturing, religious expansion, widening
Speaker 3: Asian trade routes, and the societal precursors to urbanization. Kalani
Speaker 3: speculated the plane of jars lay at an important intersection
Speaker 3: of trade routes that stretch perhaps from India to Vietnam.
Speaker 3: She found beads and bronze and iron tools the cave
Speaker 3: she discovered on site one has blackened walls and two
Speaker 3: chimney openings that signaled to her that bodies have been
Speaker 3: cremated here before placement inside the jars. Japanese archaeologists I.
Speaker 3: Jai E. G. Nita excavated some of the jars in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety four and Thongs have followed a couple of
Speaker 3: years later. Both found burial pits containing human bones among
Speaker 3: the j and both concluded the sites were used for
Speaker 3: secondary burials. Vanderberg wonders about the archaeological discoveries over time.
Speaker 3: Kolani found burned bones, Tonsa and Nita found unburned. Did
Speaker 3: they stem from different periods where they half hearted cremations.
Speaker 3: It seems the deceased were either buried or put in
Speaker 3: a stone jar for defleshing. Then the bones were either
Speaker 3: cremated or placed directly into an urned and buried. But
Speaker 3: questions nag Her Nita found an urn with human bones
Speaker 3: and teeth beneath a jar at Site one. It looked
Speaker 3: like it looked to him like tenth century pottery from
Speaker 3: the Kemer Empire, and he concluded that the stone jar
Speaker 3: directly above this urn could be no older than that.
Speaker 3: If so, that would make the jar a thousand years
Speaker 3: younger than previously thought. VanderBurg doesn't dispute this date, but
Speaker 3: thinks the jar sites were occupied and used over many centuries. Nito,
Speaker 3: who returned to Japan, has sent his reports to Vanderberg,
Speaker 3: but she has not been able to reach him since.
Speaker 3: She has spoken with Doanxa several times, but he now
Speaker 3: studies in Australia and their work at the jars has
Speaker 3: yet to coincide. He declined to be interviewed for this article. Furthermore,
Speaker 3: many of Kolone's artifacts have disappeared from Laus over the years,
Speaker 3: so Vanderberg plugs along with what she has.
Speaker 1: She artifacts have disappeared over the years.
Speaker 3: Ah, that's probably pretty common, I would imagine.
Speaker 4: Maybe you would think, if this is going to be
Speaker 4: a UNESCO World Heritage Site, that they would want to
Speaker 4: keep all the artifacts very close to where they were discovered.
Speaker 4: I don't know that for a fact, but that makes
Speaker 4: sense to me, especially if this is supposed to be
Speaker 4: a burial site.
Speaker 1: Allegedly that would be desecration of graves.
Speaker 3: But well, again, the same can be said for Egypt
Speaker 3: with the Pyramids. There's a lot of shit that's just
Speaker 3: like literally scattered all over the place, Like people go
Speaker 3: down there and visit and they're like, it's so sad
Speaker 3: that this place is just not being kept up. Like
Speaker 3: you'll find like certain bricks that maybe were some they
Speaker 3: were part of something important, but here they are just
Speaker 3: scattered at alongside the road. Or you know, whatever happened
Speaker 3: to the gold tops of the pyramids and you know
Speaker 3: that kind of shit to where maybe it was desecrated,
Speaker 3: maybe it was used for other purposes, or maybe people
Speaker 3: just want to steal things to sell it online or something.
Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe or maybe the artifacts had been
Speaker 4: taken on purpose, because it's more of a cover up
Speaker 4: type of situation.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: That's probably the most I think there's multiple things happening
Speaker 4: at the same time here.
Speaker 3: I think that's probably the most likely. She questions villagers,
Speaker 3: hoping that they'll know something about the jars, but they
Speaker 3: always return to the same legend of the ancient king
Speaker 3: named kun Chung. I think I.
Speaker 4: Don't know how to pronounce it either, but yeah, that's
Speaker 4: that's the gap.
Speaker 3: An epic battle against an evil enemy and a grand
Speaker 3: victory celebrated with copious quantities of alcohol. Some fifteen hundred
Speaker 3: years ago, the jars they say, stored tons of loo lao,
Speaker 3: a hammering rice whiskey still enjoyed today.
Speaker 4: Lou lao, Yeah, loo lao, which is it's like there,
Speaker 4: it's their drink of choice, right, So like, okay, dope,
Speaker 4: I get it, But dude, to say you got two
Speaker 4: thousand jars that are massive, like the amount of gallons
Speaker 4: per per capita of one of these jars, of how
Speaker 4: much whiskey they could hold, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, how shitfaced were you trying to get? Bro?
Speaker 1: Bro what?
Speaker 3: I mean it.
Speaker 4: Hundred years ago, even though the jars date back over
Speaker 4: three thousand years ago.
Speaker 3: But it did say that there could have been some
Speaker 3: kind this could have been like some kind of place
Speaker 3: that people would meet up for trade routes. So maybe
Speaker 3: it was if it was the alcohol thing, not suggesting
Speaker 3: that it was, but if it was, it would suggest
Speaker 3: that maybe they were trading their whatever they were cooking
Speaker 3: up in these jars to other countries.
Speaker 4: I could see that, Like if this was a storage
Speaker 4: vessel of some type for some sort of good that
Speaker 4: you are trading, I get this as well.
Speaker 1: But then the way they also brought up.
Speaker 4: The Indian jars and the Vietnam thing, they're showing that
Speaker 4: this is like this crazy cross section of trade routes. Yes,
Speaker 4: but not necessarily Like when we think of trade routes,
Speaker 4: you also think of like the East India Trading Company, right,
Speaker 4: and you think of the Opium Wars. There was a
Speaker 4: direct connection between Chinese grown opium and then Laos and
Speaker 4: and Burma and all these places that were growing the
Speaker 4: good shit and it would go into India through the
Speaker 4: northeast and then it would make its way to Europe
Speaker 4: that way. It's not like this was a hotbed for
Speaker 4: that type of trade. I mean, yeah, you might have
Speaker 4: a passer by that would be a part of that conversation.
Speaker 1: But also that was not three thousand years ago, so.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like Ukraine being the bread basket of bread
Speaker 3: basket of Europe type of situation.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, for the Opium Wars, there was only
Speaker 4: one spot on Earth that they knew for sure it grew.
Speaker 4: It was before they knew how to really cultivate poppy
Speaker 4: around the world in other places. But yes, to that point,
Speaker 4: it's not like this was the bread basket of Southeast
Speaker 4: Asia by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, they kind of look like bread baskets, giant
Speaker 3: bread baskets. You know she it, says. Vandenburgh doesn't discount
Speaker 3: this theory. Like any good Belgian, she likes her beer.
Speaker 3: When people die in Belgium, it always involves lots of drinking,
Speaker 3: she says, So I can understand lots and lots of
Speaker 3: loudlow on a gravesite, though she doubts the jars where
Speaker 3: ferm enters. As we continue touring Site one, she points
Speaker 3: toward a zigzag of a zigzag of war era trenches,
Speaker 3: to the bottoms of bomb craters where villagers dig for
Speaker 3: scrap metal, to a cavity in the hillside once used
Speaker 3: as a tank position. She points to broken jars, a
Speaker 3: cause of consternation. They've been bombed and looted. Cows rub them,
Speaker 3: tourists climb them, trees straddle them. Villagers fashion the jars
Speaker 3: into water troughs or knife sharpeners. Between the war, cattle,
Speaker 3: people and trees were losing a lot, she says. The
Speaker 3: weaker the jars get, the quicker they topple. So she
Speaker 3: has a few plans a bamboo fence.
Speaker 1: Wanting to show this real quick.
Speaker 4: These small Buddhists statues were found inside of a cracked
Speaker 4: jar at Site three, so we can at least see
Speaker 4: some very ancient Buddhist remnants in this area.
Speaker 3: That's pretty cool if they were able to, Like I mean,
Speaker 3: I know that I would imagine that people back then
Speaker 3: were pretty good at like carving stone or carving wood
Speaker 3: or whatever. But those are those look pretty cool to
Speaker 3: be a couple thousand years old.
Speaker 1: The people in this area are very good craftsmen.
Speaker 4: I will give the credit where it is due, for sure,
Speaker 4: but like that's my point as far as like an archaeological.
Speaker 1: Dig site goes. It's this.
Speaker 4: The jars themselves predate Buddhism, but they have Buddhist statues
Speaker 4: inside of a jar. This is why I'm saying none
Speaker 4: of the going narrative on these things makes sense.
Speaker 1: Overall.
Speaker 4: You could understand at least a little bit of why
Speaker 4: somebody they would use this as a burial site, they
Speaker 4: would use it as a crematorium, they would use it
Speaker 4: as a water vessel today or like, Okay, I could
Speaker 4: understand why that would happen, but that does doesn't explain
Speaker 4: the entire story, and unfortunately none of it does.
Speaker 3: So she does have a few plans for preservation a
Speaker 3: bamboo fence will enclose some of the jars to deter
Speaker 3: the cows, but she doesn't want an overly restrictive situation.
Speaker 3: After all, part of the charm is that people can
Speaker 3: walk freely among the jars, but the cows must go
Speaker 3: and some of the trees, and so must some of
Speaker 3: the trees. People come up here in picnic, she says,
Speaker 3: it's just not acceptable. We don't want people to We
Speaker 3: don't want people to stay on site. We just want
Speaker 3: them to visit. In fact, Vandenburg wants more visitors. About
Speaker 3: nine thousand traveled to Site one last year from all
Speaker 3: over the world, but only a third of those reached
Speaker 3: Site two, and fewer yet three, which lies farther outside town.
Speaker 3: Vandenburg hopes tourism can spur the local agrarian economy, which
Speaker 3: affords most people less than a dollar each day. Site
Speaker 3: one is run by the government, but at the other sites,
Speaker 3: surrounding villages get half of the seven thousand KIP, which
Speaker 3: is seventy cent entrance fees. Vandenburg hopes new jars new
Speaker 3: jar sites well up and soon, though they're not safe,
Speaker 3: of course, we just want we want more torres. You know,
Speaker 3: we got to set off those bombs. Yeah, so they
Speaker 3: haven't been cleared of Uxou. Funding for Mag's role in
Speaker 3: the project ended with clearance for Sites one, two and three.
Speaker 3: Van It's almost like a Rick and Morty type situation.
Speaker 3: How Rick always sends Mortian to test, like and taste
Speaker 3: something first, or test something first.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, basically guinea pigs basically.
Speaker 4: But that's the problem, right, nobody knows for sure where
Speaker 4: the bombs are. You can mind sweep and you could
Speaker 4: do all these things, but I mean, you're still gonna miss.
Speaker 1: Stuff, and it's it's horrible. But that's the thing.
Speaker 4: Sites one, two, and three that is not the entirety
Speaker 4: of the two thousand jars. This is just them starting
Speaker 4: the process. And that's only two thousand jars they have
Speaker 4: found thus far. Who knows if you were to do
Speaker 4: like some sort of uh what's it called, like a
Speaker 4: light oar scam or whatever, it's the ground penetrating how
Speaker 4: many of these jars are actually buried of foot or
Speaker 4: two beneath the surface. But we can't dig them to
Speaker 4: or we can't dig the area to find them because
Speaker 4: we don't want to blow up.
Speaker 1: Who knows how many jars there are in totality.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty interesting, so Vandenberg is. Vandenberg's is
Speaker 3: a shoe string operation, evident as soon as we enter
Speaker 3: her office. It sits on the second floor of a
Speaker 3: wooden building, a rustic work room with back half stocked
Speaker 3: with shelves and metal trunks. Her face brightens as she
Speaker 3: reveals her treasures, collected from various sites, packed in plastic
Speaker 3: bags and acid free paper, pottery, shirt shirts, a stone ads,
Speaker 3: a bugle which is presumably French or Chinese left in
Speaker 3: war era trench, a small buddha, six metal knives and
Speaker 3: tools made of flaky white stone. Then she beckons to
Speaker 3: the back, smiling, saying, our pride and joy There Wrapped
Speaker 3: gingerly in a spandages and foam packed in wooden crates
Speaker 3: are two urns found on found in a site one
Speaker 3: trench during Uxo clearance. They're about two feet tall, brown
Speaker 3: and coated in resin, and they look like bombs, which
Speaker 3: is what Vandenburg was told when she took one to
Speaker 3: the hospital for X rays. They also resemble the ern
Speaker 3: Nita found with bones. Vandenberg's pots are stuffed with soil
Speaker 3: too fragile to empty, but the X rays revealed a
Speaker 3: possible bone fragment inside. Somedays she'll figure out a way
Speaker 3: to get to get at the contents, but she doesn't
Speaker 3: have the money right now. UNESCO is paying two hundred
Speaker 3: and seventy five thousand dollars for the project, but that
Speaker 3: includes overhead and fundraising costs. Only about half of that
Speaker 3: amount reaches Vandenburg in the field. So a few years back,
Speaker 3: project members started going village to village asking do you
Speaker 3: have jars and if so, they could attract taurists and money.
Speaker 3: Vandenberg still criss crosses the province, greeting villagers and sitting
Speaker 3: for hours on wooden floors and homes on stilts. She
Speaker 3: is accompanied by government officials and the meetings require exhaustive
Speaker 3: explanations what the jars mean to archaeology. Tourists are interested
Speaker 3: how tourism might help villagers. The jars are valuable relics,
Speaker 3: she explains, and UNESCO hopes to protect them as as
Speaker 3: World heritage, a status afforded to few. Villagers usually don't
Speaker 3: think much of the jars. They're just rocks in the backyard,
Speaker 3: but once they get the idea that the jars are
Speaker 3: really important, they start talking about quote unquote new jars.
Speaker 3: They had always been there, but no one realized that
Speaker 3: they mattered. We attended one of those meetings in Nazetong
Speaker 3: village and hours drive from Fon Savan Shan Mooti, and
Speaker 3: elder says, the villagers here attribute healing qualities to the jars,
Speaker 3: and they poured jar water over their heads of the
Speaker 3: ill children. Many years ago, he says, village monks rolled
Speaker 3: a jar into the temple for use as a water basin,
Speaker 3: but many people quickly quickly grew sick, so the monks
Speaker 3: returned the jars to the original site.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, hold on real quick.
Speaker 4: So depending on who you ask, some villagers pour water
Speaker 4: from the jars on six children to heal them because
Speaker 4: these jars have healing properties according to them. Then monks
Speaker 4: bring it into a monastery and they all get sick.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. There's no one set answer
Speaker 1: for any of this shit.
Speaker 3: Very wild, I mean, and I'm this is the thing
Speaker 3: about jars is too. It's like, you know, you don't
Speaker 3: know what the original purpose was. Like imagine, for example, somebody,
Speaker 3: uh a thousand years from now finds a fucking wigi board,
Speaker 3: and it would say like, this is a this is
Speaker 3: a board game to contact spirits on the other side.
Speaker 3: But they don't know that. Most of the time, evil
Speaker 3: shit was coming through whenever you called upon it. But
Speaker 3: they didn't know that. So, hey, we're just gonna play around.
Speaker 3: Maybe I can talk to my great aunt Kimberly or whatever.
Speaker 3: Right next thing, you know, you got fucking Beel's above
Speaker 3: trying to reach his dirty hand and choke you through
Speaker 3: the board or something like that. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I feel like that's what happens with most people that
Speaker 4: fuck with Wuigi boards, that like don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 4: I think they think it's like that and then they realize,
Speaker 4: oh shit, that's not the case. It's I mean, it's
Speaker 4: very similar. Who knows what these jars are actually used for.
Speaker 4: Were these used for some sort of occult rituals. Were
Speaker 4: they actually carved by a race of giants that have
Speaker 4: gone like just lost into the sands of history.
Speaker 1: We don't know.
Speaker 4: So in one sense, the jars have healing properties. On
Speaker 4: the other sense, they make people get sick. Now to
Speaker 4: my knowledge, themby died from drinking the water from these jars.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't negate, what the hell just happened?
Speaker 4: But also keep that in mind because a lot of
Speaker 4: people these days use them as water cisterns in the
Speaker 4: field right now, So it's like, Okay, did the jars?
Speaker 1: Are they not?
Speaker 4: They don't make people sick if they're left in their
Speaker 4: correct location. When you bring them away from the plane
Speaker 4: of jars, is that when they become cursed?
Speaker 3: Like I don't know, I actually found just while you
Speaker 3: were talking a little bit earlier about like some of
Speaker 3: the possible theories, and some of it does involve certain
Speaker 3: lay lines and certain like like, uh, there's this one
Speaker 3: thing called the Southeast Asia dragon lines. Have you ever
Speaker 3: heard of that I have? That that could be involved here.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna get through this first. Yeah, So it
Speaker 3: says we attend one of these meetings and NASO already
Speaker 3: read that, Uh, they grew sick, and so they returned
Speaker 3: the jar to the original site. When all stories have
Speaker 3: been told, we gather for a feast of cabbage soup,
Speaker 3: boiled chicken, green papaya salad, and a tray of fried
Speaker 3: enterds in congield duck blo congealed duck blood. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 3: like blood sausage, which we forego, but what comes next?
Speaker 3: No one can avoid the lao lao, round and round
Speaker 3: the room. It goes several sherry glasses of fiery water
Speaker 3: or firewater, offered in an ancient tradition of hospitality and celebration.
Speaker 3: The meeting is a prelude to a long height, a
Speaker 3: long hike to a survey site near Hamong Village called
Speaker 3: ban Faco fu Keo fuck Koh. There we go. I
Speaker 3: like that word. Fuck Kio. A place with many jars
Speaker 3: but little in the way of tourism development. It's a
Speaker 3: half hour trudge downhill until the trail crosses a rickety
Speaker 3: bamboo bridge and makes a sharp upward turn. We see
Speaker 3: miles of blue green mountains and a hot haze. I'm
Speaker 3: not tired, Vanderberg pants. After another ninety minutes hiking through
Speaker 3: the sweltering jungle, I'm just dead. Ban Fakio is a
Speaker 3: collection of wooden homes, most with earthen floors, thatched roofs,
Speaker 3: and cluster bomb casings for planters and feed troughs. The
Speaker 3: one room schoolhouse has a bell made from bomb scrap,
Speaker 3: and the walls are decked with postering, with posters showing
Speaker 3: kids proper behavior around UXO. Don't shake your buffalo to
Speaker 3: the ground, tie it to a tree instead. Never touch
Speaker 3: you XO. Tell an adult if you'd see something suspicious.
Speaker 3: Farther upheal. About another half an hour away, there are
Speaker 3: nearly four hundred jars toppled in the forest, covered in
Speaker 3: mosaics of green and white lichens.
Speaker 1: Lichens, lichens. I think, I don't know.
Speaker 3: The team quickly gets to business, stretching a tape measure
Speaker 3: from jar to jar, numbering, measuring, and photographing details. We
Speaker 3: spend two days among these ancient vessels, and the team
Speaker 3: works diligently amid scrub brush and trees, avoiding thoughts of UXO.
Speaker 3: Nothing here has been cleared. It's amazing, these jars sitting
Speaker 3: in the woods on a windy hill. I catch Vandenberg
Speaker 3: in a moment of reflection, and she offers a pensive sigh.
Speaker 3: They're beautiful, aren't they? It is really the only imaginal comment.
Speaker 3: The beauty of these magnificent jars is indisputiful, indisputable. Their
Speaker 3: value of archaeology is certain. These things are known, but
Speaker 3: for now little else about the jar is okay.
Speaker 4: So that was from this is from two thousand and
Speaker 4: five that that article was published, and this video as
Speaker 4: a matter of fact, we are going to play right here.
Speaker 4: So this is from Archaeology TV, and if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 4: this is the YouTube channel associated with the article that
Speaker 4: we just read. And it's just gonna give another kind
Speaker 4: of overview. It might reiterate some of the points we
Speaker 4: already made, and some of the articles are gonna bring
Speaker 4: up some of those same points as well, but we're
Speaker 4: gonna go a little bit deeper into why they're so
Speaker 4: so much unexploded ordinance, some of the legends and the
Speaker 4: lore surrounding these jars, possible uses, and where they may
Speaker 4: have actually came from. But it all ties together to
Speaker 4: why would the government? Why would the US government bomb
Speaker 4: this area so heavily? Was it, in fact, because they
Speaker 4: were trying to, you know, get to the huci Min
Speaker 4: trail and blow up the guys that were trying to
Speaker 4: attack us? I see the string of events, it's possible,
Speaker 4: or were they trying to erase some of the ancient
Speaker 4: past that would have spit in the face of what
Speaker 4: we know to be history. I don't know there's enough
Speaker 4: to stand a reason on either side of this conversation
Speaker 4: but without further ado.
Speaker 1: Here's the video from Archaeology TV.
Speaker 6: So the project's title is Unraveling the Mysteries of the
Speaker 6: Plane of the Jars and it's funded by the Australian
Speaker 6: Research Council. This project is a joint project, a cooperative
Speaker 6: project between the LAO Ministry of Information, Culture and Tourism,
Speaker 6: the Australian National University and Monash University. So we've had
Speaker 6: basically a really successful season identifying a whole range of
Speaker 6: different kinds of mortuary practices and mortuary practices that haven't
Speaker 6: been identified previously here. So it's been very very robust
Speaker 6: in terms of the data that we've gathered. Today we're
Speaker 6: at Site one, which is one of the larger sites
Speaker 6: with over three hundred very large stone jars.
Speaker 4: All right, so you see this is Site one, as
Speaker 4: there's all about Sites one, two and three and all
Speaker 4: of these there's more sites. Site one has three hundred jars,
Speaker 4: but there is as of this moment two thousand known.
Speaker 3: I wonder, who knows why is it so cleared in
Speaker 3: that area? They clear that out themselves or is it
Speaker 3: naturally like that way?
Speaker 4: So they cleared it out themselves to be able to
Speaker 4: get in and get out and do the archaeological dig
Speaker 4: site and all these things. But understand everything in this
Speaker 4: brush has not been cleared for mines.
Speaker 1: Oh all of this.
Speaker 4: There's bombs everywhere, some of them right on the surface,
Speaker 4: some of them an inch below the dirt that you.
Speaker 1: Won't know about until you step on them.
Speaker 4: All this cleared area has been mind swept and is
Speaker 4: like considered safe. They've done all the testing and they
Speaker 4: know they could walk freely in this area and along
Speaker 4: the same thing. This trail over here. Either side of
Speaker 4: this trail has not been cleared. You have to stay
Speaker 4: on the walkway or else you're in danger of losing
Speaker 4: a leg, if not your life.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, you know what.
Speaker 3: Like from this view, it almost looks like little crawfish mountains.
Speaker 4: You would think, so, yeah, yeah, yeah, it does look
Speaker 4: like that, and then you see the people standing right
Speaker 4: next to it, and it's like.
Speaker 1: Whoa, yeah, all right, let's keep on. So these things
Speaker 1: are quite impressive.
Speaker 6: Some are, you know, two meters tall and you can't
Speaker 6: get your arms around them. We found what looks like
Speaker 6: now a primary burial with a very large limestone slab
Speaker 6: with a hole in it, and the skull positioned basically
Speaker 6: looking out of the hall. Whether that was the original positioning,
Speaker 6: you know, you've got various kinds of turbation, so it's
Speaker 6: possible that it wasn't originally like that, but that's how
Speaker 6: we found it.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: Also keep in mind, this is a burial site next
Speaker 4: to the jars. They're not inside one of these jars
Speaker 4: doing this digging right now. So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: If this was all burial, then you would see tons
Speaker 4: of remains. You would see at least tons of DNA
Speaker 4: or something to show that these were all some sort
Speaker 4: of a tomb structure, to say that this place was
Speaker 4: important right to the people of this region, and that's
Speaker 4: why they use the surrounding area as a burial site.
Speaker 1: I completely understand that.
Speaker 4: But this dude was buried in a specific way with
Speaker 4: that hole cut through a rock that he was looking
Speaker 4: through in his burial position. But he wasn't inside of
Speaker 4: a jar. So you see what I'm saying. None of
Speaker 4: it actually lines up and makes sense out loud.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's uh. All of this is just so
Speaker 3: fucking confusing, it is it is, let's keep going hello.
Speaker 6: In Unit two, we selected that because there was another
Speaker 6: interesting disc shape object on the ground, and it was
Speaker 6: a disc that had a knob on it, and actually
Speaker 6: had knobs on both sides. So we excavated there and
Speaker 6: lo and behold we found a number of jar burials
Speaker 6: and also another burial that was apparently not marked except
Speaker 6: for in the pit they placed a limestone block on
Speaker 6: top of the human bones. So the jars also their
Speaker 6: clay jars also contain human remains. There yet to be
Speaker 6: excavated out of the jars, but that will be in
Speaker 6: the future. Madeline Klani of the coll Francist Extremoial worked
Speaker 6: here in the thirties and did excavate around many of
Speaker 6: the jars. Kolani's idea was more that this was the
Speaker 6: jars were not necessarily used for interment. Julie Vandenberg also
Speaker 6: is of the opinion that they perhaps were used to
Speaker 6: rot the flesh from the bones, and then the bones
Speaker 6: were extracted and secondary burial was used around the jars.
Speaker 1: Okay, another fine point to make.
Speaker 4: There is a working theory by the lady in question here,
Speaker 4: the one we just read about in that whole article.
Speaker 4: She believes that the jars were used to deflesh the
Speaker 4: bodies the corpses, if you will, and then the bones
Speaker 4: were extracted later for a secondary burial. And okay, there
Speaker 4: are certain cultures around the world that will bury bones
Speaker 4: but not the meat associated. And I understand where that
Speaker 4: thought's from, except that no culture in this area of
Speaker 4: the world did anything of that type of a practice.
Speaker 4: That there's no record of that being a real possible
Speaker 4: candidate to what these jars were used for. She is speculating,
Speaker 4: and at this point, really there's nothing there. No theory
Speaker 4: is too crazy because there is no rhyme or reason
Speaker 4: to any of this shit. But that being said, bro,
Speaker 4: no one in this region has done that. And if
Speaker 4: they did, why wouldn't they use the insects that are
Speaker 4: all over the jungle to eat away at the flesh.
Speaker 4: You've seen how they'll take like a bull's head and
Speaker 4: they'll put it in like an ant pile or something
Speaker 4: like that, and they'll slowly right and they'll.
Speaker 1: Do it like that. Then they'll bleach the skull and
Speaker 1: they'll do stuff with it. They would have done that.
Speaker 4: Why would you enclose it in a stone jar and
Speaker 4: then put a lid on top of it where no
Speaker 4: insects can get to it? Nothing can decompose from it.
Speaker 4: It's just gonna sit there and slowly wrought off. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I would hate to be the guy that lifts the
Speaker 4: lid on in that thing to take the bones out
Speaker 4: of it six months to a year after the fact.
Speaker 3: I mean what, Yeah, it's pretty strange too, Like I
Speaker 3: feel like because they talk about what is it like
Speaker 3: certain jars and pots that you can go back and
Speaker 3: you can find or God and stuff like that from
Speaker 3: two thousand years ago in some areas of the world, right,
Speaker 3: and you'd be able to tell if these people were
Speaker 3: triven on psychedelics or whatever the fuck? Right is there
Speaker 3: no remains of anything inside the jar outside of just
Speaker 3: like the physical like bones and teeth and stuff like
Speaker 3: that I'm talking about, like lined up against the walls.
Speaker 3: There's nothing there.
Speaker 4: So there are a few of them that have like
Speaker 4: charring to show that maybe there was a fire inside
Speaker 4: of them and maybe somebody used it as a burn
Speaker 4: pit for cremations, which okay, that's fine, but that's my point.
Speaker 4: There is only a few, and by a few, I
Speaker 4: mean like under ten jars that have any kind of
Speaker 4: charring at all associate with them out two thousand, So
Speaker 4: like that's not what these jars were originally intended for.
Speaker 4: People may have used it as that at some point,
Speaker 4: but that wasn't the point.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: None of it like out loud, this theory, Oh that
Speaker 4: totally makes sense. This theory, Oh no, No, that one
Speaker 4: makes sense when you look at all of them next
Speaker 4: to each other and you also align that with what
Speaker 4: they have found. Archaeologically speaking, none of it actually checks out.
Speaker 4: It's basically like a hodgepodge of burial practices and they're like, oh, well,
Speaker 4: this was used as vessels to hold goods for trade routes,
Speaker 4: then why are their bodies inside what? That goes against
Speaker 4: the whole cremation conversation and against the funeral conversation. It
Speaker 4: None of it absolutely makes sense. But that's the point.
Speaker 4: Nothing about this place is like, oh so easily woven
Speaker 4: into a.
Speaker 1: Great tapestry of anything. We don't know. Bro.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's just like, you know, because you can only
Speaker 3: really go on speculation, and you can say, well, maybe
Speaker 3: it's this, or maybe it makes the most sense that
Speaker 3: it's or whatever. But I feel like a lot of
Speaker 3: this extremely historical shit that goes back thousands of years
Speaker 3: is almost just poetic because it keeps us like wondering
Speaker 3: about the people before, you know, like, well, were they
Speaker 3: capable of? What were they into? What I mean was
Speaker 3: it were these spiritual relics where they where they work relics?
Speaker 3: Were they you know, burial relics or whatever. And there's
Speaker 3: nobody to really know for sure exactly what they're all
Speaker 3: used for. And it keeps us kind of on our
Speaker 3: toes in a sense of like, all right, well, maybe
Speaker 3: the people way back then weren't just dumb. Maybe they
Speaker 3: weren't you know, extremely technologically, you know, electronically advanced as
Speaker 3: we are today, because that's what we associate advancement with
Speaker 3: is with technology, right, and usually that's with wires and
Speaker 3: the you know, motherboards and whatever else, touch screens or whatever.
Speaker 3: But I mean back then, they I dude, I really
Speaker 3: believe that they had their own type of advancement back then,
Speaker 3: and maybe that's what these things were used for. There's
Speaker 3: no way of knowing.
Speaker 4: Well, so like iron, for instance, to say that you
Speaker 4: find evidence of metallurgy of iron working dating back to
Speaker 4: three thousand BC, that was essentially space age technology to
Speaker 4: the people of three thousand BC. Iron, dude, the best
Speaker 4: they could hope for was bronze at best, which is
Speaker 4: a combination of copper and tin.
Speaker 1: Right, So that was crazy in of itself.
Speaker 4: So to find certain types of metallurgy, like I said,
Speaker 4: the granite that was carved out, which would show signs
Speaker 4: of iron, they didn't have that at the time when
Speaker 4: these were being carved, So like, what the hell did
Speaker 4: they use? But even to your point, there's other instances,
Speaker 4: like in Egypt, for instance, where they kept a really
Speaker 4: good written history and they kept it etched.
Speaker 1: On the walls.
Speaker 4: And so when they say this happened, this happened, this happened,
Speaker 4: and then we do archaeological digs and find this happened,
Speaker 4: this happened, this happened, It all lines up and it
Speaker 4: just it goes together perfectly and neatly. There is no
Speaker 4: written record on anything associated with these jars. Now granted,
Speaker 4: I'm sure somebody somewhere wrote down some things, but you're
Speaker 4: in the jungle, right, Water and erosion will.
Speaker 1: Make all of these things fall apart.
Speaker 4: The Egypt is it's an isolate because it's a desert
Speaker 4: and because the dry, arid environment makes for the preservation
Speaker 4: of artifacts.
Speaker 1: Right like that, it's perfect for that purpose. The jungle
Speaker 1: is not.
Speaker 4: The jungle is the most inhospitable place to preserve things.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's what these jars are for. Maybe it was
Speaker 4: for preservation of certain things, but something went awry, because
Speaker 4: nothing that we can find, aside from some burial remains,
Speaker 4: makes any sense.
Speaker 3: And like, so that's how I look at this. I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm less concerned with how they were created,
Speaker 3: and I'm more excited about what were they used for,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, that's what I want
Speaker 3: to know, because I mean, we don't know. Like, for example,
Speaker 3: if you took somebody from three thousand years ago and
Speaker 3: you placed them in today, and you just gave them
Speaker 3: a cell phone and just put them in a padded
Speaker 3: room or whatever, put them in a cave, they would
Speaker 3: just at it. Maybe they'd touch it and it would
Speaker 3: light up or something like that. Maybe it would start
Speaker 3: vibrating and probably freak them the fuck out, and they
Speaker 3: would say, what kind of sorcery is going on here?
Speaker 3: And I think equally, if you put us back in
Speaker 3: this time with this kind of pottery, we wouldn't know
Speaker 3: what the fuck to do with it. But those people
Speaker 3: back then, they probably maybe they used it with astrology,
Speaker 3: or they used it for like some kind of frequency,
Speaker 3: healing water, or you know what I'm saying. It could
Speaker 3: be anything.
Speaker 4: And that's the other part, right, So to the knowledge
Speaker 4: that we have right now, these aren't like glorified sound bowls,
Speaker 4: Like they don't make a noise whenever you strike them
Speaker 4: or anything like that. And the way that they are
Speaker 4: placed doesn't line up with any kind of astrology. It
Speaker 4: wasn't like placing certain specific spots for the stars.
Speaker 1: They seem to be fucking strewn about now.
Speaker 3: But I almost had her. But in accordance with what
Speaker 3: were you saying, though, I almost wonder that if you
Speaker 3: strike one, would you get some kind of resonant that
Speaker 3: would ring with the other pots and some kind of
Speaker 3: almost like a tuning fork. Maybe they all match up,
Speaker 3: and you know, whenever you strike all of them at
Speaker 3: the same time, they create some kind of frequency. I
Speaker 3: don't know, I'm just trying to get you know, a
Speaker 3: little wild here, But.
Speaker 4: I thought of that exact same thing whenever I first
Speaker 4: found these. I'm thinking, like, all right, Southeast Asia, giant
Speaker 4: stone vessels, What are the chances that these were sound
Speaker 4: bowls or something? Akin to that. I wish I would
Speaker 4: have pulled up the article to sew it. But basically,
Speaker 4: when you hit this thing, it sounds like you're just
Speaker 4: hitting rock. Like there's no ding, there's no sound wave energy,
Speaker 4: there's nothing that's coming off of this. It's their car
Speaker 4: from coral from quartz from or not quarts, I'm sorry, coral,
Speaker 4: granite and sandstone, right, so like there's there's no real
Speaker 4: resonant frequency that comes off of them.
Speaker 1: I thought the exact same thing, dude, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's the thing.
Speaker 4: No idea or theory is too crazy about these because
Speaker 4: no one has a fucking clue.
Speaker 3: And they're not lined up in some weird astrologic like
Speaker 3: type of way like the pyramids are.
Speaker 1: No, dude, they literally seem like they were thrown.
Speaker 4: Kind of the theory about the whole giants, it seems
Speaker 4: like these giants were using these like drinking cups and
Speaker 4: just kind of threw them around at the end of
Speaker 4: the party and walked away. That makes the most sense
Speaker 4: as far as how random it is basically, and it's
Speaker 4: not even like if you look at the sites one, two,
Speaker 4: and three, and how do they align with this other
Speaker 4: site they found in the forest and all this when
Speaker 4: you triangulate, it makes this pat no, it is.
Speaker 1: It is as random as you could fucking think.
Speaker 4: Now, maybe as more research is done on these things,
Speaker 4: maybe some new information will come out that will make
Speaker 4: a lot more sense to us. But as of this moment, again,
Speaker 4: Western scientists and quote unquote experts only found these things
Speaker 4: in the nineteen thirties. They only really started digging into
Speaker 4: them in the nineteen nineties, so we don't know there's
Speaker 4: so much Again, there might be a thousand more six
Speaker 4: inches below the.
Speaker 1: Surface, we don't know well.
Speaker 3: And the thing even about the giants though, which makes
Speaker 3: even that story. I mean, I know that it's just
Speaker 3: a postulating theory, but like even the giants, like dude,
Speaker 3: giants weren't fucking one hundred feet tall, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, at least not according to some records, like
Speaker 3: most of them have them at you know, ten twelve
Speaker 3: maybe getting a little crazy at thirteen feet tall. And
Speaker 3: I don't know how many pounds, but you think about
Speaker 3: the size of these fucking things. They said that they
Speaker 3: weigh up to fourteen tons.
Speaker 4: That's twenty eight thousand pounds, though there's no twelve foot
Speaker 4: tall human that's going to lift that up?
Speaker 1: No, No, like.
Speaker 3: I don't care if you know, we got a David
Speaker 3: and Goliath situation. This is too big for Goliath.
Speaker 1: Agreed. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Bro It none of it checks out out loud like
Speaker 4: a theory being proposed. You could possibly put the piece
Speaker 4: together in your head to say, oh, sure, maybe that
Speaker 4: was the case, maybe this maybe, and then when you
Speaker 4: look at that lined up next to everything else, it's no,
Speaker 4: that couldn't be because of xyz. What about theory B?
Speaker 4: Well that can't be because of xyz? What about theory C? Well, no,
Speaker 4: because xyz. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's wild brinkle. All right, let's get back to the video.
Speaker 6: And of course there's also local legends about these being
Speaker 6: drinking cups for giants or you know, former Lao kings
Speaker 6: using them to make the local liquor Lao Cow.
Speaker 4: The bomb Okay, So they're going to get into the
Speaker 4: bombings that took place in the quote unquote Secret War
Speaker 4: with Operation Barrel Roll at this time. Some of this
Speaker 4: is actual footage from the events that took place.
Speaker 1: This is wild bro.
Speaker 6: Bombing of Laos in the nineteen seventies is a massive tragedy.
Speaker 6: It's hard to even comprehend the scale of the of
Speaker 6: the destruction that was wrought here. And unfortunately, some of
Speaker 6: the targets, like this site, Site one, was heavily impacted
Speaker 6: by bombing. So there's there was cluster bombs and very
Speaker 6: large of two hundred pound bombs dropped on this site,
Speaker 6: and of course the there's clear impact here. You can
Speaker 6: still see the bomb craters in the ground.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 4: This is around them doing the archaeological site. This is
Speaker 4: a bomb crater from one of the bombs that were dropped. Okay,
Speaker 4: so you gotta understand, it's not like it was over
Speaker 4: in this area. But they left the clay pots alone.
Speaker 4: And that's the claypots, I'm sorry, the stone jars alone.
Speaker 4: They were specifically targeting the plane of jars.
Speaker 3: I mean, were people hiding in them?
Speaker 1: Possibly?
Speaker 4: I mean mayighty maybe, But I mean, how many people
Speaker 4: are you hiding inside of a jar?
Speaker 1: Dude?
Speaker 4: And this is Site one, So there's three hundred jars here, Okay,
Speaker 4: so three hundred dudes are hiding here.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna bomb the hell out of that alone?
Speaker 3: I mean, but could you possibly, like I don't know,
Speaker 3: throw down a turret in there or something.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean no, because we weren't supposed to be
Speaker 4: in Laos, right, That's the thing. We allegedly, quote unquote
Speaker 4: had no troops in Laos or Cambodia, even though we
Speaker 4: absolutely did look up anything involving mac VSAG, which was
Speaker 4: the predecessor for Delta and the SOCOM in general, the
Speaker 4: special forces community. But my point is, Okay, I could
Speaker 4: understand it, but like, dude, this wasn't some sort of
Speaker 4: a crazy strategic target. And even if you had three
Speaker 4: dudes per jar, they are miles away from Vietnam. It
Speaker 4: doesn't make sense to bombit that heavily with this one
Speaker 4: spot when you know there's other areas where you could
Speaker 4: hit your target. If anything, this would be a fortified position.
Speaker 4: These dudes are pretty safe from explosion unless one hits
Speaker 4: on top of them, like the dudes that were If
Speaker 4: there was dudes inside this jar, this bomb did not
Speaker 4: kill them, right, Like, they're fine. Yeah, their ears are
Speaker 4: ringing and they probably have a concussion or puken all
Speaker 4: over each other, but they lived through the experience.
Speaker 1: If that's the.
Speaker 4: Case, I'm telling you it makes a lot more sense
Speaker 4: to me that the government was bombing this area specifically
Speaker 4: for some other reasons.
Speaker 1: But we're going to get to all of it. Let's go.
Speaker 6: And many of the jars have been blown over and
Speaker 6: smashed in half by the bombing. But fortunately the majority
Speaker 6: of the jars were not destroyed. But there's massive damage here.
Speaker 6: There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 7: We did all the gis all right, So we're actually
Speaker 7: gonna stop this video at this time and let's go
Speaker 7: into the next article here.
Speaker 4: So this is from laosh Travel. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 4: this is from the Laosian government themselves. They are trying
Speaker 4: to show the case this as the tourist attraction itself.
Speaker 1: So let's let's do a little reading here.
Speaker 3: Scattered along the the muang Fun plateau, the Plane of
Speaker 3: Jars is one of the most important prehistoric sites in
Speaker 3: Southeast Asia, located near Fonsavan Commune in the province of
Speaker 3: xeng Chong and Laos. This destination has been a challenge
Speaker 3: to laos An international archaeologists, with many myths, and its
Speaker 3: origins are still unknown until now. Until now they think
Speaker 3: that they know the origins as what they're saying.
Speaker 1: At least more now than they did thirty years ago.
Speaker 3: There are about two thousand jars dating from the Iron Age,
Speaker 3: which is five hundred BC to five hundred AD and
Speaker 3: possibly up to as late as eight hundred eighty scattered
Speaker 3: in many locations of the province due to unexploded bombs,
Speaker 3: mines and ammunition. Not all sites have been put in
Speaker 3: operation yet. At present, seven jar sites that are open
Speaker 3: for tourists include Site one, which is the most visited,
Speaker 3: Site two and three, Site sixteen near the old capital
Speaker 3: xing Chuang, Site twenty three near the hot spring in
Speaker 3: muang Kom, Site twenty five in the largely unvisited Fu
Speaker 3: Coast district I'm guessing, and Site fifty two near Hamong
Speaker 3: Village where is only accessible by foot.
Speaker 4: So you see what I'm saying here, Dude, they keep
Speaker 4: talking about sites one, two and three. They've got more
Speaker 4: than just Site fifty two. But that's my point. There's
Speaker 4: so many sites where these things exist, scattered around the country,
Speaker 4: and they don't even make sense as to why and.
Speaker 1: How they're lined up. But again, we're gonna learn more
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 3: From a distance. The plane of jars is like a chessboard,
Speaker 3: while the jars are like amazing plump chess pieces. Coming closer,
Speaker 3: visitors can see the fantastic mixture without any fixed arrangement.
Speaker 3: Many jars are completely protruded on the ground, while others
Speaker 3: can be partially sunk on the ground. The shapes are
Speaker 3: also different, including the not the straight mouth, the square,
Speaker 3: same as their various sizes up to three meters high
Speaker 3: and wait up to several tons. On July sixth, twenty nineteen,
Speaker 3: megalithic jar sites in jang Shuang Plane of Jars officially
Speaker 3: became a World Heritage Site after twenty years of waiting
Speaker 3: for approval, which is the third World Cultural Heritage of
Speaker 3: Laos recognized by UNESCO, after town of Long pro Bang
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety five and that Fu and associated ancient
Speaker 3: settlements within the Campascic cultural landscape in two thousand and one.
Speaker 3: Touching the rough time green milestones lying quietly on the ground,
Speaker 3: people vaguely feel the great history worical mysteries behind. Let's
Speaker 3: discover all the values of the destination through this post.
Speaker 4: I mean, look at this dude as a spot to
Speaker 4: just go and check out, and no one has any
Speaker 4: answers for it.
Speaker 1: I mean, that is a wild thing. So far.
Speaker 3: The history of the stone jars has been still put
Speaker 3: in mystery and their certain purpose has also been unknown,
Speaker 3: but are believed to be about fifteen hundred to two
Speaker 3: thousand years old. According to the Laosian legend, it claimed
Speaker 3: that there were giants who once settled in this area
Speaker 3: and created jars to store rice wine, which was brought
Speaker 3: to commemorate the victor of their king kun Cheng against
Speaker 3: the enemy. Another idea is that these jars were used
Speaker 3: to store monsoon rainwater, which could be provided for caravan
Speaker 3: travelers along their journey, as the water was not readily
Speaker 3: available for or on the easiest footpaths when it occurred seasonal.
Speaker 3: Following the theory from most archaeologists, they believe them to
Speaker 3: be earns. In nineteen thirty, French archaeologists Kolani began surveying
Speaker 3: the area and concluded that the stone jars were related
Speaker 3: to prehistoric burial rights when she discovered a cave housing
Speaker 3: human remains such as burned bones and ash. Excavations by
Speaker 3: Lousian and Japanese archaeologists over the years also helped support
Speaker 3: this hypothesis when many remains, burial objects, and ceramics were
Speaker 3: found around the stone jars. Even The materials that make
Speaker 3: these jars are controversial. Some say that they're made of limestone.
Speaker 3: Others say that they're made of laterite and marble mixed
Speaker 3: with some special ancient and now lost materials. At present,
Speaker 3: all jars are empty, with only with d the only
Speaker 3: single jar with lib okay.
Speaker 1: I think that means it's a lid like a jar.
Speaker 3: And lid, gotcha. Some other lids have been found between
Speaker 3: the jars, which were made of stone and wood. Archaeologists
Speaker 3: have yet to come to a conclusion. However, research is
Speaker 3: still struggling as the jars are one of the most
Speaker 3: dangerous archaeological sites in the world and no matter how
Speaker 3: many theories are put forward, all have contributed to the
Speaker 3: weaving of a field of legendary jars, attracting visitors from
Speaker 3: all over the world to come and.
Speaker 4: Discover absolutely so now outstanding values of the Plane of Jars.
Speaker 3: The Plane of Jars is located at a historical crossroads
Speaker 3: the facilitated movement through the region, enabling trade and cultural exchange.
Speaker 3: The location is between two major cultural systems of Southeast
Speaker 3: Asia in Iron Age, including the Red River Gulf of
Speaker 3: Tonkin system and mun mccong system. So the distribution of
Speaker 3: the jar site seems associated with overland routes. The various size,
Speaker 3: ape and quantity of the megalithic jars, which are well crafted,
Speaker 3: require technological skill to produce. Their wide distribution within jeng
Speaker 3: Schuan Province is remarkable. The jars and the cereal property
Speaker 3: that can attest to the quarrying, manufacturing, transportation and use
Speaker 3: are the most prominent evidence of the Iron Age civilization.
Speaker 3: The form, design, uh and mostly original materials and locations
Speaker 3: of the megalithic jars, lids, secondary burials and archaeological deposits,
Speaker 3: as well as their abundance, antiquity and condition create the
Speaker 3: authenticity of the serial property.
Speaker 4: So they talk about how to get there by by
Speaker 4: air and by road and by.
Speaker 1: All these things.
Speaker 4: So let's let's go down here to what's to see
Speaker 4: in the plane of jars.
Speaker 3: So one of the most uh as one of the
Speaker 3: most attractions of Fonsavan and jang Jipong province.
Speaker 4: Felt in the English translation one of the most attractions
Speaker 4: of the province.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the most plane of jars attracts many
Speaker 3: visitors to come among hundreds of jars at various sites.
Speaker 3: There are three main sites that are the most investigated
Speaker 3: and visited in this area. The Plane of Jar Site one,
Speaker 3: so Jar Site one is the closest to Fontsevan, just
Speaker 3: about ten minutes of a drive. This is also the biggest, easiest,
Speaker 3: the biggest and easiest to access and most visited of
Speaker 3: all the plane of jars. There is a visitor center
Speaker 3: at the entrance which provides information and history about the
Speaker 3: plane of jars as well as its importance during the
Speaker 3: Second Indo China War and community handicraft shop. Jar Site
Speaker 3: one has a number of unique elements to make it
Speaker 3: a make it a kind of one stop shop of
Speaker 3: all interesting parts of the plane of jars, including the
Speaker 3: biggest jar which is over ten tons of weights ten
Speaker 3: tons of weights and nearly three meters high, the jar
Speaker 3: with lid, carved jars, and a large cave which is
Speaker 3: thought to be an ancient crematorium. At this site you're
Speaker 3: also reminded of the Grim War in the sixties through trenches,
Speaker 3: foxholes and bomb craters.
Speaker 4: So this is the lid in question here again, bro,
Speaker 4: how many Lautian men do you think it would take
Speaker 4: to lift this thing off? To get in here and
Speaker 4: place things or to store things and then put it
Speaker 4: back up here.
Speaker 3: I'd say probably about a dozen.
Speaker 4: That's all I'm saying, dude, the whole giants conversation. I'm
Speaker 4: not saying that giants use these as drinking cups. But
Speaker 4: you see what I'm saying here, that's that's a big
Speaker 4: claim to say that ten Southeast Asian gentlemen just got
Speaker 4: down and squat pressed that bitch off of a two
Speaker 4: meter tall clay jar or stone jar.
Speaker 1: That that's kind of wild.
Speaker 3: I have a I have an idea what they could be.
Speaker 4: On on the jars in totality or this one jars
Speaker 4: in totality.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, hold on, Let's wait for theories to the end.
Speaker 3: All right. So then we get to the plane of
Speaker 3: Jar Site two. It says further to Fonsavan is Jar
Speaker 3: Sit two without good path, which is bumpy, unpaved, dusty
Speaker 3: and properly muddy too. Jar Sit two is split into
Speaker 3: two by the road, with the difference from each side.
Speaker 3: For one side there are jars on the top of
Speaker 3: a small hill with dramatic views of the plains, while
Speaker 3: jars secluded in a small corpse of trees which bring
Speaker 3: more intimate and secretive On the other side here are
Speaker 3: here Many of the jars show the damage from roots
Speaker 3: by effective time and nature, while others are completely split
Speaker 3: in two by their forest neighbors. This site is less touristy,
Speaker 3: so visitors can feel closer to such an incredible historical
Speaker 3: landmarks and more quote unquote green with more scenic hilltop
Speaker 3: view of rice paddy fields and the plains below.
Speaker 1: Okay, now we get in two Site three and look
Speaker 1: how tall this jar is?
Speaker 3: Dude, so big, it says jar. Site three is pretty
Speaker 3: similar to jar Sit two and also surrounded by a
Speaker 3: small cluster of trees. From Site two, you can take
Speaker 3: an easy thirty minute walk to Site three via ban
Speaker 3: Shin Jengoi village. This walk between sites can make the
Speaker 3: feel of the most authentic way when you uh when
Speaker 3: you can see the farming activity and away from the
Speaker 3: roads and houses. Here the jars are less uniform and
Speaker 3: more rectangular than those at Site one, and some jars
Speaker 3: are so tall for visitors to see inside. For safety,
Speaker 3: visitors should carefully follow the small stone marker's place by
Speaker 3: Mind's Advisory Group mag which are designed to show walk safe.
Speaker 3: As this such area has been cleared of unexploded ordinance absolutely.
Speaker 1: Now ban Napia.
Speaker 4: Okay, this is the Warspoon village, and that doesn't really
Speaker 4: play into the whole Jar situation. But like I said,
Speaker 4: this is a this is a tourist website for LAOS,
Speaker 4: so it makes sense that they would go that way
Speaker 4: with it. Now, real quick, let's read a little bit
Speaker 4: about the whole operation. Here Air and Space Forces Magazine
Speaker 4: because it used to be Air Force Magazine but now
Speaker 4: it's Air and Space Forces Magazine. An article written in
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety nine about the Plane of Jars. Dude, and
Speaker 4: this will go a little more in detail about the operation.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna read all of it.
Speaker 4: It is a rather long article, and we really don't
Speaker 4: because it gets into the types of planes that we
Speaker 4: used and the types of ordnance that we're dropped in
Speaker 4: all these things.
Speaker 1: We only need to get into all of that.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I got a Wikipedia article right here about
Speaker 4: operation Barrel Role. We're gonna read like the excerpt from
Speaker 4: that one to kind of get the veel for that.
Speaker 4: But I thought it was interesting that the United States
Speaker 4: military that bombed the fuck out of the Plane of
Speaker 4: Jars wrote an article about it in ninety nine.
Speaker 1: I figured to be worth a read.
Speaker 3: The Plane of Jars is a five hundred square mile
Speaker 3: diamond shape region in northern Laos, covered with rolling hills,
Speaker 3: high ridges, and grassy flatlands. Its average altitude is about
Speaker 3: three thousand feet. It derives its name from the hundreds
Speaker 3: of graystone jars that dot the landscape, five feet high
Speaker 3: and half again as broad. These containers were created by
Speaker 3: a people of a megalithic Iron Age culture and probably
Speaker 3: served as burial earns. Exactly who created them and why
Speaker 3: their culture disappeared is not known. During the Long Southeast
Speaker 3: Asian War, all sides found the Plane of Charge to
Speaker 3: be situated in a highly strategic location. The area was
Speaker 3: a home to several airfields and contaminated and contained a
Speaker 3: limited road complex that connected various sectors of Laos to
Speaker 3: themselves and to the outside world. This crossroads has been
Speaker 3: a battleground for centuries, but never so but never so
Speaker 3: intensively as this centuries many overlapping conflicts and into China.
Speaker 3: The struggle for the Plane of Jars and Laos in
Speaker 3: the nineteen sixties and seventies was a mysterious and tragic affair,
Speaker 3: Wrapped in the confusion and obscured by years of falsehoods
Speaker 3: and half truths. It was a side show to the
Speaker 3: main war in Vietnam, but it was ennobled by some
Speaker 3: of the finest and most heroic flying in the history
Speaker 3: the United States Air Force. These valiant efforts were designed
Speaker 3: to support US back forces and destroy Communists North Vietnamese
Speaker 3: units that opposed them. The Many campaigns and the Plane
Speaker 3: of Jars were fought in parallel with a continuing bombing
Speaker 3: effort against the Ho Chi Minh Trial Trail. Rather, the
Speaker 3: latter campaign would prove to be futile for enemy vict
Speaker 3: for enemy activities in South Vietnam could be sustained on
Speaker 3: as little as sixty tons of supplies a day, the
Speaker 3: equivalent the equivalent of about thirty trucks worth of material.
Speaker 3: So then we get into the secret war. So the
Speaker 3: Laosian War was a quote unquote secret war by tacit
Speaker 3: agreement on both sides. It was nominally a civil war,
Speaker 3: purportedly reflecting the divided interest and political loyalties of members
Speaker 3: of the Laosian royal family. In fact, the war was
Speaker 3: fought largely by surrogates of their own aims. The Laosians
Speaker 3: are proving generally to be peace loving even when, especially
Speaker 3: when in uniform. The communist force comprised tough, regular North
Speaker 3: Vietnamese Army units and supplementary and generally not very effective
Speaker 3: local path at Lao units. They were opposed by the
Speaker 3: very ineffective Royal Laosian Armed Forces, whose leaders preferred to
Speaker 3: let the despised Laosian hill people, the Mung chamong do
Speaker 3: the real fight.
Speaker 1: It's pronounced mung, but yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay, they just said, fuck that a trait there they
Speaker 3: do that. It's Southeast Asia. They'd be throwing letters in
Speaker 3: for the fuck of it. The US supplied airpower on
Speaker 3: a very limited scale, initially in greater and greater amounts
Speaker 3: as the war progressed. As the Mung casualties rose, the
Speaker 3: US sponsored fighting forces were increasingly augmented by Thai volunteers
Speaker 3: in quotes, whose numbers eventually reached seventeen thousand. Highly doubt
Speaker 3: you're gonna have that many volunteers. I like how they
Speaker 3: put it in quotes there like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I should also make a mention of this.
Speaker 4: The Mung were some of the most insane fighters period,
Speaker 4: and they were hated.
Speaker 1: They were like, how could I put this?
Speaker 4: They were known as the hill people, right, And so
Speaker 4: a lot of MACV saw guys in US Special Forces
Speaker 4: guys that were operating in this area, and I've even
Speaker 4: talked to a few former French Foreign Legion guys that
Speaker 4: were operating in this area too. The Mong were looking
Speaker 4: for any kind of ally that could just help them
Speaker 4: defend themselves against the outside invaders, whether it was the
Speaker 4: communists from the north, the Royal Guards from the south,
Speaker 4: whatever the case was. They pretty much all unanimously hated
Speaker 4: the Mung. So when it came time to get some
Speaker 4: local assets, people who knew the jungle, people who knew
Speaker 4: the hill country, people that could tell you when something
Speaker 4: is out of place, the Mong were the people to
Speaker 4: be like. They were the guys, right, they were the
Speaker 4: dude that was in the clutch situation. But it depended
Speaker 4: on situation, right. There was tons of times when the
Speaker 4: Mung would straight up abandon their post and just lead
Speaker 4: the US service members to fend for themselves when they
Speaker 4: basically accidentally walk them into an ambush. And there were
Speaker 4: other times where they would like fight tooth and nail
Speaker 4: to the last man to defend what they considered their
Speaker 4: home turf, their hill or whatever. The case was so yeah,
Speaker 4: the monk casualties definitely rose because they were kind of
Speaker 4: thrown into the mix for the fuck of it.
Speaker 3: As the mon casualties rose, the US sponsored fighting forces
Speaker 3: were increasingly augmented by Thai volunteers, which eventually reached seventeen thousand.
Speaker 3: As they said, these mostly were mercenaries paid with US
Speaker 3: funds and led by the Thai Armies regular officers and
Speaker 3: non commissioned officers. The situation suited the US, which was
Speaker 3: loath to introduce American ground forces. The Mong were supported
Speaker 3: by airpower and supplied by the CIA. Shocker there Coincidentally,
Speaker 3: the Vietnamese were also were content to let the war
Speaker 3: simmer as long as they could protect traffic along the
Speaker 3: ever growing Ho Chi Minh trail. Air sorties against the
Speaker 3: Plane of Jars tied up US military assets that otherwise
Speaker 3: would be used to bomb the trail. North Vietnam was
Speaker 3: confident that when South Vietnam fell Laos Woodfall, the worst
Speaker 3: result of the fourteen year struggle of the Planet of
Speaker 3: Jars was the destruction of a noble ally, the Monk.
Speaker 3: They fought in countless battles against North Vietnamese forces and
Speaker 3: were in the end, left to their fates. Originally numbering
Speaker 3: about three hundred thousand people living high on mountain ranged
Speaker 3: ridges and subsisting by means of slash and burn agricultural techniques,
Speaker 3: the monk suffered some thirty thousand casualties, mostly young fighting men.
Speaker 3: The Mung families were driven from their homes to CIA
Speaker 3: supported hilltop encampments where they were fed by in quotes,
Speaker 3: soft rice drops and armed by in quotes hard rice drops.
Speaker 4: So what that means is essentially so the CIA they're
Speaker 4: not a war fighting force. They do intelligence work right,
Speaker 4: and sometimes that means you have to get your allies
Speaker 4: on the.
Speaker 1: Ground the hook up.
Speaker 4: And so if the people in the Mung, if they
Speaker 4: needed food, they would be getting boxes lace labeled as
Speaker 4: soft rice drops, and if they needed more AMMO, they
Speaker 4: would be getting boxes labeled hard rice drops.
Speaker 3: You with me very well, Okay? So when the end came,
Speaker 3: those who those who could do so, fled to camps
Speaker 3: in Thailand. Those who chose to remain in Laos were
Speaker 3: for years hunted down and killed by Laoshan communists. A
Speaker 3: few mon relocated to the US. The war was fought
Speaker 3: through the years on a seasonal basis, with US sponsored
Speaker 3: forces advancing from April through September in the monsoon season,
Speaker 3: and the North Vietnamese and its allies responding during the
Speaker 3: dry season of October through March. Perhaps unique to this
Speaker 3: Ebb and Flow war was as unusual vertical separation of territory,
Speaker 3: for the Mung often dominated mountains and ridges, even when
Speaker 3: the path At Lao or North Vietnamese owned the valleys below.
Speaker 3: It should be noted that the lowland Laosians discriminated against
Speaker 3: the hill people. Indeed, indeed, Laos is a landlocked country
Speaker 3: that shares a border with Cambodia, China, Thailand, Vietnam or Vietnam,
Speaker 3: and Burma now called Myanmar. It's recorded history starts with
Speaker 3: the Lao Kingdom of lang janlang Jan, founded in the
Speaker 3: thirteen hundreds. It has since suffered through six centuries of
Speaker 3: more or less unbroken warfare, and in nineteen oh seven
Speaker 3: France established the modern borders of Laos, primarily to serve
Speaker 3: as a bulwark against the Thai and Chinese expansion into
Speaker 3: what was then French into China. It was granted independence
Speaker 3: in nineteen fifty three.
Speaker 1: So that's another big thing too.
Speaker 4: When you hear a lot of people that will compare
Speaker 4: the war in Afghanistan against the war in Vietnam. There
Speaker 4: are some similarities that come to fruition. Okay, For one,
Speaker 4: it was guerrilla fighting. It was dudes that would shoot
Speaker 4: at you, go behind a wall, change their clothes real quick,
Speaker 4: and walk out, and you couldn't tell one from the
Speaker 4: the other, right for one. For two, it was in
Speaker 4: an environment that we as Americans are very much not
Speaker 4: used to. We're talking jungles and mountains and flat lowlands and.
Speaker 1: Rice patty and then more jungle.
Speaker 4: Then we had the monsoon season that rains for months
Speaker 4: and months at a time, and they wouldn't fight in
Speaker 4: the monsoon season.
Speaker 1: And as soon as.
Speaker 4: Because we would do that, we would fight through the
Speaker 4: rain because fuck them. Then when we would go back
Speaker 4: and kind of regroup, it'd be the dry season and
Speaker 4: that's when they would fight. And it was it was
Speaker 4: a crazy, crazy situation, saying kind of situation in the Afghanistan.
Speaker 4: You had the harvest season where there would be almost
Speaker 4: no fighting that took place, and as soon as all
Speaker 4: the crops were harvested, mostly poppy for the opium, then
Speaker 4: all the quote unquote farmers would down their flags and
Speaker 4: now they're the bad guys again. And it was a
Speaker 4: crazy thing not to mention they pretty much have been
Speaker 4: in open conflict since their beginning, since the thirteen hundreds. Essentially,
Speaker 4: this area has just had warfare, warfare, warfare, same with Afghanistan,
Speaker 4: and these people have never been defeated on their home
Speaker 4: turf to this day. Period' That's the way this goes.
Speaker 4: So there's a lot of things to say that the
Speaker 4: Vietnam War and the war in Afghanistan kind of had
Speaker 4: some similarities.
Speaker 1: Dude. All right, now moving on to this next one.
Speaker 1: Let's see rescue.
Speaker 4: Uh now, we could pretty much be done with this
Speaker 4: off with this article because I was hoping that, you know,
Speaker 4: we get a kind of a feel for the situation
Speaker 4: as to the why the bombings took place in the
Speaker 4: plane of Jars, which leads us to Operation Barrel Role.
Speaker 4: All right, now, I'm gonna read this one here. So
Speaker 4: Operation Barrel Role was a covert interdiction and close air
Speaker 4: support campaign conducted in the Kingdom of Laos by the
Speaker 4: US Air Force Second Air Division in the US Navy
Speaker 4: Task for seventy seven between March fifth, nineteen sixty four
Speaker 4: and March twenty ninth, nineteen seventy three, So for about
Speaker 4: nine years they bombed the ever loving shit out of
Speaker 4: this area. The operation was launched to persuade North Vietnam
Speaker 4: to stop supporting the insurgency in South Vietnam. It became
Speaker 4: an interdiction campaign against the ho Chi Mintrail, North Vietnam's
Speaker 4: main logistical corridor, which ran from southwestern North Vietnam through
Speaker 4: southeastern Laos and into South Vietnam. The operation also increasingly
Speaker 4: provided close air support for Royal Lao Armed Forces, CIA
Speaker 4: backed tribal allies and the Tai Volunteer Defense Corps in a.
Speaker 1: Covert group I'm sorry, covert.
Speaker 4: Ground war in northern and northeastern Laos barrel roll and
Speaker 4: the quote unquote Secret.
Speaker 1: Army, which would be all the groups that we just listed.
Speaker 4: Here, attempted to stem an increasing hide of People's Army
Speaker 4: of Vietnam and the Pathet Lao offensive. So the background
Speaker 4: of it a little bit here. After a series of
Speaker 4: political and military mechanizations conducted by the US and the
Speaker 4: Palate Pathet Lao, the North Vietnamese in Laos that were
Speaker 4: described in the History of Laos since nineteen forty five,
Speaker 4: the Declaration of the Neutrality of Laos was signed in Geneva, Switzerland,
Speaker 4: on the twenty third of July nineteen sixty two. The agreement,
Speaker 4: which was an attempt to end a civil war between
Speaker 4: the communist dominated Pathet Lao neutralists and American backed rightists,
Speaker 4: included provisions that required the removal of all foreign military
Speaker 4: forces and precluded the use of Lao territory for interfering
Speaker 4: in the international affairs of another country. A blatant effort
Speaker 4: to shut down North Vietnam's growing logistical corridor through southeastern
Speaker 4: Laos that would become known as the Uchimen Trail. So
Speaker 4: the entire thing was basically to break this up. You
Speaker 4: see this right here, red section of this map. So
Speaker 4: this is North Vietnam. This is the Gulf of Tonkin.
Speaker 4: You might recognize it from the Gulf of Tonkin incident.
Speaker 4: Over here is Thailand. This white section is Laos. It's
Speaker 4: a very small country in Southeast Asia. Operation Barrel Roll
Speaker 4: pretty much strafed and bombed the absolute fuck out of
Speaker 4: this entire eastern area of the country. The Plane of
Speaker 4: Jars happens to be in this region, and specifically it
Speaker 4: was bombed more than the rest of the area. To
Speaker 4: be completely honest with you, But yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was crazy and it still is.
Speaker 4: They are still dealing with the remnants of this war
Speaker 4: and the bombs that were dropped to this day. So
Speaker 4: all this being said, let's hear a couple of theories
Speaker 4: as to where they came from and how they came from,
Speaker 4: and a couple of other let's just call it historic
Speaker 4: precedents for what these jars might have been meant to
Speaker 4: symboliz or be akin to.
Speaker 1: So real quick, do you.
Speaker 4: Want to give your theory as of this moment? Do
Speaker 4: you want to hear this video out?
Speaker 1: First? What are you thinking?
Speaker 3: I kind of just had a silly theory I was
Speaker 3: gonna throw out there just being for it. Basically, Uh,
Speaker 3: if dinosaurs are in fact not fake and gay, could
Speaker 3: this have been ancient dinosaur shit? And somehow the people
Speaker 3: knew how to find some kind of housing. So I
Speaker 3: would imagine that maybe this was some kind of pterodactyl
Speaker 3: dropping that just so happened to be huge dong not dong,
Speaker 3: but uh dung dung rather.
Speaker 1: Terodacts are They're huge pedong.
Speaker 3: Dude, huge p doongs and uh and and and somehow
Speaker 3: people found ways to make it spiritual. I mean, who's
Speaker 3: to say because they are scattered, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: like all over the place. It's not like, you know,
Speaker 3: my dog, for example, whenever he takes a ship, he
Speaker 3: has to walk and ship. He can't just sit in
Speaker 3: one spot and take a ship. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: What it looks like, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh dude, that's hilarious my dog. Well, I mean, granted,
Speaker 4: might I have English Masters. So she shits the size
Speaker 4: of like she's a shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So yeah, she gets in one spot and you
Speaker 4: see that hip go like down.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, yeah, here we go. And you could
Speaker 1: hear that bitch drop and hit the earth when she shits.
Speaker 3: It just shakes the fucking terror.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. You know you can hear it legitimately.
Speaker 1: If I'm out there and I'm just playing on my
Speaker 1: phone whatever waiting for her, you hear it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there there she goes. It's all good gone.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was. I don't know, just because there's
Speaker 3: not really any good explanation for any of this. I
Speaker 3: did want to after we, you know, go through this video,
Speaker 3: I do want to kind of go into the whole
Speaker 3: dragon line possible thing. Yes, because people say that there
Speaker 3: is some kind of correlation amongst all these like weird
Speaker 3: wonders of the world, then nobody has any explanation about.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, so let's listen in This is from
Speaker 4: Dark five Ancient Mysteries, and uh, the dude's going through
Speaker 4: a couple of examples of.
Speaker 1: Passable working theories.
Speaker 4: Now we've already heard the one about it being some
Speaker 4: sort of a burial site or something like that. I
Speaker 4: didn't even I didn't even go that route, because that's
Speaker 4: that's just ridiculous to me.
Speaker 1: Whatever, But yeah, let's listen.
Speaker 2: In the Giants, the locals of Laos tell of a
Speaker 2: legend passed down by the elders from generation to generation
Speaker 2: and still believed by many of the Lao people to
Speaker 2: this day. The legend says that Laos was once home
Speaker 2: to a race of giants led by their king Quin Chung,
Speaker 2: who waged a long and hard war against an evil enemy,
Speaker 2: ultimately emerging victorious. To celebrate and toast his victory, vast
Speaker 2: quantities of a rice wine known as Laohai would be required.
Speaker 2: To brew and store the wine, the king of the
Speaker 2: giants created the huge jars from which they could also drink.
Speaker 2: One of the greatest mysteries from modern researchers is in
Speaker 2: the legios of how an early civilization could have managed
Speaker 2: to transport such immnts and heavy objects from the quarry
Speaker 2: to the resting place, a journey of up to ten
Speaker 2: kilometers largely uphill. Some might say this supports the theory
Speaker 2: that the jars were once hewn by thirsty giants.
Speaker 4: Now that's also an interesting point to make. They were
Speaker 4: carried uphill to their resting place. Right now, it would
Speaker 4: make more sense to me if they were quarried from
Speaker 4: up on top of the mountain and then rolled down
Speaker 4: to where they are currently. Bro, you're talking about carrying
Speaker 4: or dragging or rolling or something. These massive fourteen ton
Speaker 4: twelve ton eight ton jars up mountains. And it's not
Speaker 4: like these are just clearcut mountains either. It's like jungleist mountains.
Speaker 4: It is insane to really, like logistically think about how
Speaker 4: they moved them. First off, how they carved them. Second,
Speaker 4: how do they move them from point A to point B. Now,
Speaker 4: I'm not saying and this leads more credence to the
Speaker 4: giants theory. I understand that's a wild one, But Bro,
Speaker 4: what the hell.
Speaker 3: I mean, were they created on the spot or were
Speaker 3: they created I mean I know that they probably at
Speaker 3: least got some of the material from far away, but
Speaker 3: were they crafted and molded into these pots on the
Speaker 3: spot where they where they lay or were they rolled uphill?
Speaker 3: Like what are they suggesting? Or they don't know.
Speaker 4: So, as of this moment, there has been with all
Speaker 4: the archaeological archaeological digs that they've done, they don't find
Speaker 4: fragments of Like let's say you bring up like a
Speaker 4: cube of this stone that you're like carving out. Whenever
Speaker 4: you get to your location, you would find chunks of
Speaker 4: the rock. They're not finding chunks of any of the rocks.
Speaker 4: So it stands to reason, as of this moment that
Speaker 4: they were carved at the quarry and then brought to
Speaker 4: their location, which even if they were to be carved
Speaker 4: where they're at currently, that's still crazy. You're bringing a
Speaker 4: fourteen ton jar. Before you carved it was probably a
Speaker 4: twenty ton cube. How are you moving a twenty ton
Speaker 4: cube up mountains, jungleist mountains from the quarry to the location.
Speaker 1: That's also wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is kind of strange.
Speaker 4: And there's no evidence that these people were doing horseback
Speaker 4: activities at that time, either I should make a mention
Speaker 4: of that. So there's no takeaway all theories of horse
Speaker 4: drawn wagons and carriages and any of that that is
Speaker 4: not in the conversation as of this moment.
Speaker 3: Just strong motherfuckers. That's all.
Speaker 1: These cockstrong Southeast Asia.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I guess at Rice got a little extra protein to
Speaker 4: what we've been thinking. I guess anyway. All right, So
Speaker 4: now we're gonna get to the Indian jars. And this
Speaker 4: isn't necessarily connected, but it is a working theory that
Speaker 4: some are saying might be what these jars were actually
Speaker 4: used for, based off of historic precedents of another quote
Speaker 4: unquote similar city situation. I don't think they're similar, but
Speaker 4: they're worth mentioning.
Speaker 1: So let's go.
Speaker 2: The Indian jars. Approximately five hundred miles from the planet
Speaker 2: of Jars in India is the Assam Forest. In twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: a survey of the region found that the forest contained
Speaker 2: a number of large stone jars similar to those in Laos. Mysteriously,
Speaker 2: the jars being excavated in a Sam are made from
Speaker 2: a sandstone not known to be found near the site.
Speaker 2: Researchers speculate that the jars may have been dragged great
Speaker 2: distances and note that doing so would require a team
Speaker 2: of hundreds. With the Indian jars being such a recent discovery,
Speaker 2: archaeologists have barely scratched the surface in their understanding, and
Speaker 2: they continue to discover more and more of these sites
Speaker 2: in Islam. They've also found inside the jars the impressions
Speaker 2: of the iron tools once used to carve them from boulders.
Speaker 2: It is unclear just how much the Indian jars have
Speaker 2: in common with those found on the Plane of Jars,
Speaker 2: but it has been noted by some researchers that they
Speaker 2: too contain cremated bone fragments. The secrets of the Assam
Speaker 2: region and its monolithic stone jars are yet to be revealed,
Speaker 2: as are the details regarding how they relate to their
Speaker 2: low counterparts.
Speaker 4: Okay, real quick, dude, these I don't think that they're comparative.
Speaker 4: These are way smaller than the ones that we have.
Speaker 1: In the Plane of Jars and Laos.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they're smaller even compared to the trees
Speaker 3: there exactly.
Speaker 4: And then not to mention, yes, so they're from sandstone
Speaker 4: not found in this region. They don't have any evidence
Speaker 4: to say that these are from like the same quarry
Speaker 4: as Laos or anything like that. But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It's another idea that they are saying kind of look similar.
Speaker 4: I feel like they're trying to compare apples to apples here.
Speaker 4: I don't think that it's so easy. I don't think
Speaker 4: that this is an actual apples to apples comparison.
Speaker 3: Dude. All right, So is it possible because uh, Loos
Speaker 3: is kind of right up against the ocean right there
Speaker 3: right you know, it's a landlocked country. Oh I thought that,
Speaker 3: Uh what what is the Indian Ocean on that side?
Speaker 1: Oh, the Gulf of Tonkin. But that's what that. You
Speaker 1: have to go through Vietnam to get to them.
Speaker 3: So you got Golf of Tonkin, then you got Vietnam,
Speaker 3: then you got Laos going inland.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hmmm.
Speaker 3: I mean, is it possible that maybe there was some
Speaker 3: kind of flood or crazy storm, or maybe the the
Speaker 3: water started to recede and this this used to be
Speaker 3: underwater just getting weird because it did have coral in it,
Speaker 3: it did have sand sandstone in it. I don't know
Speaker 3: if that's you know, from the ocean or whatever. But
Speaker 3: I don't know, just trying to think, like could it,
Speaker 3: could these be like oceanic remnants of sorts.
Speaker 4: If I'm not mistake, in this area is underwater somewhere
Speaker 4: around one of the ice ages, like it was way
Speaker 4: longer ago, way longer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: Interesting, Okay, never mind, then I'll keep on the own speculating.
Speaker 1: The Secret War.
Speaker 2: Study of the Jars and Laos has been hindered by
Speaker 2: the terrible remnants of a little known conflict known as
Speaker 2: the Secret War or the Laosian Civil War. Between nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty four and nineteen sixty nine, the plane was the
Speaker 2: subject of extended explosive bombardment by the United States Air
Speaker 2: Force targeting North Vietnamese and Pucket Lao communist armies in
Speaker 2: the area. During this period, more than two hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty two million anti personnel cluster bombs were dropped. The
Speaker 2: damage to the Jars was substantial. Many now lay broken
Speaker 2: or overturned in craters created by the explosives, and the
Speaker 2: consequences of this bombardment still loom over the land and
Speaker 2: its local population today. Of those two hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: two million cluster bombs dropped, an estimated eighty million did
Speaker 2: not explode, and many lay on and around the Plane
Speaker 2: of jars, posing a fatal threat to anyone who strays
Speaker 2: off the paths known to be safe. Movement in the
Speaker 2: area is heavily restricted by the unexploded bombs. Efforts to
Speaker 2: clear bombs are slow but ongoing. Seven jar sites have
Speaker 2: now been cleared, but estimates suggest that fewer than ten
Speaker 2: percent of the jars have been formally investigated. Despite the
Speaker 2: ongoing efforts to rid the plane of unexploded munitions, dozens
Speaker 2: of Lausians tragically perish each year. Interest in the Plane
Speaker 2: of Jars has never waned and it remains one of
Speaker 2: the most important sites for archaeological research on the planet. Consequently,
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, it was named a World Heritage Site
Speaker 2: by UNESCO. With advanced methods such as radiocarbon dating, geochemistry
Speaker 2: and ground penetrating radar, modern research continues to reveal more
Speaker 2: about the jars, their purpose, and their creators. This contemporary
Speaker 2: research finds that human burials took place on the Plane
Speaker 2: of Jars, with bodies being buried alongside the jars sometime
Speaker 2: between seven hundred and twelve hundred years ago.
Speaker 4: So you see what I'm saying here like this was
Speaker 4: what was above ground, and then they dug and found
Speaker 4: another two feet into this jar. So it's not like there's,
Speaker 4: you know, something way more underneath this thing. But yeah,
Speaker 4: some of them have been They're sinking into the ground
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 3: With dust and rain and dirt, and yeah, I get
Speaker 3: that exactly.
Speaker 4: But again, dude, look that's just one of them. This
Speaker 4: jar over here, This jar over here, This looks like
Speaker 4: a lid of some type. This one's broken up. It's
Speaker 4: there's no rhyme or reason as to why some of
Speaker 4: them are larger than others, why some of them are
Speaker 4: located here and some are located there. It's all over
Speaker 4: the place, dude. But anyway, let's keep going.
Speaker 2: This suggests that the plane of jars has held ritual
Speaker 2: significance multiple cultures over an extended period. It has also
Speaker 2: been found in recent years that while most of the
Speaker 2: jars are carved from sandstone, others are made from much
Speaker 2: harder stone, including limestone and granite. One working theory, supported
Speaker 2: by some evidence, is that the jar has had a
Speaker 2: practical use. They may have been designed to catch rain
Speaker 2: water during monsoon season.
Speaker 1: Okay, real quick rain water during monsoon season. Big dog.
Speaker 4: That is the water that is inside of one of
Speaker 4: these jars. I seriously doubt that somebody is going to
Speaker 4: be drinking.
Speaker 1: Out of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that looks kind of gross.
Speaker 1: I don't see it, especially seeing as how monsoon season
Speaker 1: is like half the year.
Speaker 4: You have water regardless, it's falling from the sky, regardless
Speaker 4: if you wanted to or not.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Anyway, let's keep going for use.
Speaker 2: By travelers passing through later in the year. A more
Speaker 2: macab explanation is that the jars were part of a
Speaker 2: unique burial tradition. It was customary in certain cultures for
Speaker 2: dead bodies to be placed above ground to decompose and
Speaker 2: dry out, allowing the soul to make its transition to
Speaker 2: the spiritual world before a final cremation or burial. This
Speaker 2: theory has been lent weight by another recent study which
Speaker 2: found eighteen more examples of human burial amongst the jars,
Speaker 2: sixty percent of which were infants or babies. Undoubtedly, as
Speaker 2: technology in the field of archaeological study progresses and as
Speaker 2: the remaining munitions are cleared, more information will continue to
Speaker 2: present itself.
Speaker 4: Okay, so eighteen burial remains were found out of two
Speaker 4: thousand jars, eighteen, So that's less than one percent of
Speaker 4: the jars we can confirm or used in some.
Speaker 1: Sort of a burial practice.
Speaker 4: That's just to me personally, I'm speaking on behalf of
Speaker 4: Jacob here. If a glass is one percent full, would
Speaker 4: you call it full?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: So if one percent of the jars were used in
Speaker 4: burial practices, would you say that these were obviously burial sites?
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm I don't know. I mean, how long
Speaker 3: does it take for bone to like disintegrate?
Speaker 4: It depends on the environment, right, So, I mean the
Speaker 4: mummies in Egypt, there are still bones that are wrapped
Speaker 4: up and skin that are wrapped up in the mumification
Speaker 4: garbs in our sarcophagus, and they have been untouched and
Speaker 4: so we can see those. That's how he did an
Speaker 4: X ray of King Tut and we know he had
Speaker 4: a cleft f lip and a club foot and hip
Speaker 4: displasia and all of these things because of the massive
Speaker 4: inbreeding that Egypt is so well known for. But you
Speaker 4: in the jungles, not much, not much at all. I mean,
Speaker 4: hell I you remember I was telling you about the
Speaker 4: body farm that the three letter agencies use so in
Speaker 4: Louisiana Bayu environment. If you take a body and you
Speaker 4: bury it eighteen inches below the surface, in a matter
Speaker 4: of two weeks, it's gone, bone, teeth, everything. And again
Speaker 4: y'all could disagree with that. If you want do your
Speaker 4: research into the body farm and the findings, look at
Speaker 4: corner reports. It's because of the level if you combined heat, humidity,
Speaker 4: the type of insects that live at that depth, the
Speaker 4: type of rodents that dig down to that deep, or
Speaker 4: anything else.
Speaker 1: That's all you need to go. Certain places, you.
Speaker 4: Need to go deeper, certain places you can leave it
Speaker 4: on the surface and they'll decompose on its own.
Speaker 1: It depends on the location inside of.
Speaker 4: A stone jar with a lid, which most of I
Speaker 4: would say that most of these probably had a lid
Speaker 4: at one point in time, but they have been lost
Speaker 4: or destroyed or whatever the case is. I feel like
Speaker 4: bone wouldn't disintegrate in an enclosed stone jar in that manner.
Speaker 4: It just the whole thing about these being used for
Speaker 4: burials makes no sense to me.
Speaker 3: Well, what fascinated me a little bit is the lids,
Speaker 3: you know, because there seemed to be some kind of
Speaker 3: geometric or some kind of weird like concentric lines on
Speaker 3: top of them. From what you showed earlier and just
Speaker 3: from you know, my short amount of research, just in
Speaker 3: my interest in this while we've been talking about it.
Speaker 3: It's there's something called a triscillian line. So it had
Speaker 3: three concentric lines on it, and then there seemed to
Speaker 3: be some kind of symbol in the center of it.
Speaker 3: And so a triscillion is a figure consisting of three
Speaker 3: curved lines or branches or three stylized human arms or
Speaker 3: legs radiating from a common center. So I was like,
Speaker 3: that's pretty interesting. But it's even more interesting because and
Speaker 3: I know that this isn't Celtic by any means, but
Speaker 3: we'll get to the Hinduism and Buddhism type stuff. But
Speaker 3: in Celtic tradition, the triskelion symbolizes life, death and rebirth
Speaker 3: or past as in future or the three realms, which
Speaker 3: would be earth, sea, and sky. So I don't know,
Speaker 3: maybe there was something there. In Hinduism and Buddhism, you
Speaker 3: have the triple spirals, which I mean they said that
Speaker 3: they found Buddhists little figurines in there, right, So you
Speaker 3: have triple spirals or rotating shapes that symbolize motion, energy,
Speaker 3: and reincarnation. So maybe the reason why you only find
Speaker 3: a couple of bodies in there, maybe those are the
Speaker 3: ones that couldn't reincarnate. I don't know, I mean, just
Speaker 3: getting weird here, throwing shit at the wall sea what sticks.
Speaker 4: But like, but if reincarnation is real, then the bodies remain.
Speaker 4: The spirit is what reincarnates.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, and that's what makes it weird. I mean,
Speaker 3: but that's where I go, like, could this be kind
Speaker 3: of a death and rebirth kind of thing, not necessarily
Speaker 3: a reincarnation, but a death and rebirth kind of ritual
Speaker 3: of sorts similar to I mean they have them, you know,
Speaker 3: Like that's what they used to do back in those
Speaker 3: kind of ritualistic days, where you'd go through the death
Speaker 3: ceremony to be reborn, so to say, Right, And I
Speaker 3: don't know, maybe that's maybe that's what it was. I mean,
Speaker 3: I have no idea. This is fucking mind boggling to me.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, dude. So what's on screen right now?
Speaker 4: Again, for anybody who's just listening, they would like to
Speaker 4: see this Patreon, that is where you'll go. I'm telling you,
Speaker 4: you're gonna want to see these things. This is the
Speaker 4: catalog of all of the artifacts that were found. This
Speaker 4: is just site one, Okay, so they have each site
Speaker 4: and it's all categorized and you can see the pictures
Speaker 4: of it. These circles are called bone circles. Those are
Speaker 4: carved out of human bone. We have a bunch of
Speaker 4: pottery shards, you know, little tools, a little smaller vessels
Speaker 4: that are inside of it.
Speaker 1: Let's see.
Speaker 4: Let's go to the next page and see what they
Speaker 4: got here, more broken shards of things. It looks like
Speaker 4: I'm not sure if that's a jawbone or if that
Speaker 4: is some sort of a tool of some type. It's
Speaker 4: kind of dirty looking, so you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: We got little pendants looks like a shark tooth again
Speaker 4: this I mean they were close enough to the coast
Speaker 4: where they would go.
Speaker 1: There a lot of beads that were found.
Speaker 4: It's it's pretty incredible the the painstaking amount of research
Speaker 4: that has been done into this area for us to
Speaker 4: know nothing about it like that is crazy. We got
Speaker 4: some arrowheads over here, looks like bronze arrowheads that that
Speaker 4: looks like a necklace or some sort of a relic
Speaker 4: of some type. To be worn clay cups and jars
Speaker 4: more broken. You know, remains of vessels of some type.
Speaker 1: Here we go.
Speaker 4: I think that's a type of bracelet of some type,
Speaker 4: some little trinket over here.
Speaker 1: It's it is incredible to me, dude. So but that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So to say that some of them were used in
Speaker 4: burial practices, Okay, I can believe that they have found bodies.
Speaker 1: They have found urns of burial remains.
Speaker 4: These two over here, these are urns where they believe
Speaker 4: they have bodily remains inside of it.
Speaker 1: And that was found near the jars. But this wasn't
Speaker 1: found inside the jars.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 4: So with all of that, let's go into some of
Speaker 4: the theories about the plane of jars. We've covered some
Speaker 4: of them and some of them we have not. This
Speaker 4: is from DISCOVERYUK dot com. So Planes of Jars theories.
Speaker 4: The field of jars in Laws's archaeological marvel has posed
Speaker 4: numerous questions that remain largely unanswered. While several theories have
Speaker 4: been proposed, none have been definitively proven. Storage for food
Speaker 4: or wine. One of the most common theories is that
Speaker 4: the jars were used for storing food or wine. This
Speaker 4: theory is grounded in the idea that such large containers
Speaker 4: would have been ideal for storing surplus grains or for
Speaker 4: fermenting and storing rice wine. Again, I see where they're
Speaker 4: going with this, But you would have some sort of
Speaker 4: of uh, some sort of a sign that that was
Speaker 4: what these were used for.
Speaker 3: Some also that would state that, yeah, I mean some
Speaker 3: kind of scraping along the walls or at the bottom,
Speaker 3: but there isn't that.
Speaker 1: Not to mention the archaeology.
Speaker 4: The archaeologist who's like leading this study heard the theory
Speaker 4: and is like, you know, this is not a good
Speaker 4: vessel for fermentation, like that if for fermentation you need
Speaker 4: an airtight seal.
Speaker 3: It seems very porous, very porous.
Speaker 4: Yes, But also unless these jar lids were so perfectly
Speaker 4: formed that they could fit with an air tight seal,
Speaker 4: that is that's not you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't make a lot of.
Speaker 3: Sense, right. I imagine if it rained, water was still
Speaker 3: finding its way in there, even exactly.
Speaker 1: Burial or funeral use.
Speaker 4: Another widely supported theory is that these megalithic stone jars
Speaker 4: were used for funerary practices. Archaeological evidence including the discovery
Speaker 4: of human remains and burial goods in and around some
Speaker 4: of the jars, support this theory. It's believed by some
Speaker 4: that the jars might have been used to expose the
Speaker 4: dead temporarily before their final burial, a practice known in
Speaker 4: archaeology as second burial. And again, okay, I could at
Speaker 4: least understand the chain of events on that one, but
Speaker 4: you've only found evidence at eighteen jars that that might
Speaker 4: be what they were used for out of two thousand
Speaker 4: confirmed jars. I got a hard time putting those pieces
Speaker 4: together in my head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a problem with that one too. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's cool, you know, that would be cool if that
Speaker 3: was the case. I mean, maybe this was the Eastern
Speaker 3: way of you know, of what the Egyptians were doing.
Speaker 4: I mean maybe, But again, there'd be some other remains,
Speaker 4: and most of these remains weren't found inside the jar.
Speaker 4: Some of the jars had the charring inside to show
Speaker 4: that they were trying to use it for like a crematorium.
Speaker 4: But most of the conversation about cremator remains and stuff
Speaker 4: come from a cave a little ways away.
Speaker 1: From the jars.
Speaker 4: So it's like, if one then the other doesn't necessarily
Speaker 4: line up here. Maybe it's possible that they were burning
Speaker 4: them in the cave and then bringing the burn remains
Speaker 4: back to the jars for final resting or whatever the
Speaker 4: case was, but that's not as clear cut as what
Speaker 4: they're making it out to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Then, of course collection of rainwater, which again forests
Speaker 3: not not really something that would work.
Speaker 4: Some scholars process or sorry, some scholars propose that the
Speaker 4: jars were used to collect and store rainwater for caravan
Speaker 4: travelers moving along the ancient and long forgotten trade routes.
Speaker 4: This theory aligns with the strategic locations of the plans
Speaker 4: of jar sites, often found on elevated areas or along
Speaker 4: potential travel routes throughout the region. Again, elevated, dude, they're
Speaker 4: on top of hills and on top of mountains. This
Speaker 4: took hundreds, if not thousands of dudes to move from
Speaker 4: point A to point B. Who had I mean, they
Speaker 4: have beasts of burden, right, They have like oxen and
Speaker 4: yacks and not Yacks's more than the mountains of Lake Tibet.
Speaker 4: But you know what I'm saying, They have like their
Speaker 4: version of animals that they could use for this purpose.
Speaker 4: But even still, that is a tall order to say
Speaker 4: that they did that two thousand times for water collection.
Speaker 4: So you're telling me that the people that have lived
Speaker 4: in this area since the beginning of time have found
Speaker 4: no better way to collect rainwater other than carving stone jars.
Speaker 3: What And if that's the case, you would find like
Speaker 3: much older remnants of maybe housing utensils or some people
Speaker 3: like living in that specific area around here. And I
Speaker 3: know that they can't really get to a lot of
Speaker 3: that because of all the undetonated bombs and whatnot. But
Speaker 3: even still, that's not what they're finding, you.
Speaker 1: Know, exactly. It doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 4: Then there's another one, trade route markers, building on the
Speaker 4: idea of caravan travelers. Another theory suggests that the plane
Speaker 4: of jars was a part of a more extensive trade network, specifically,
Speaker 4: according to Madeleine Kolani, the trade of salt in the
Speaker 4: region Salt. This is supported by the discovery of items
Speaker 4: such as beads and ornaments from different regions, possibly indicating
Speaker 4: some level of trade and cultural exchange. The jars themselves,
Speaker 4: under this theory, could have been central to the trade network,
Speaker 4: perhaps being the Macong River basin and Gulf of Tonkin.
Speaker 4: I could understand this being a portion of the trade route,
Speaker 4: for sure. I get this. You're still going uphill to
Speaker 4: get to these things. It would make way more sense
Speaker 4: that you would have trade along river banks, not on
Speaker 4: top of mountains.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you think about it, I mean, and I
Speaker 3: don't know what you know. I mean, I know that
Speaker 3: there was like spiritual little Buddhist figurines in there, but
Speaker 3: that even like you said earlier, like the Buddhism wasn't
Speaker 3: even like it wasn't even around four thousand years ago, right,
Speaker 3: you know, or thirty five hundred or three thousand years
Speaker 3: ago or whatever like that only started back in like
Speaker 3: pretty much around the time that Jesus died, right or
Speaker 3: around thereabouts.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to remember. I looked that up once upon
Speaker 4: a time. When did Buddhism really begin? When did the
Speaker 4: Buddha like break off from the Vedics? Because he was
Speaker 4: a if I'm not mistaken, he was a guru in
Speaker 4: Hinduism or at least some type of the Vedic philosophy,
Speaker 4: and then he broke off, went more north and more east,
Speaker 4: and then founded what we would now call Buddhism.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember the year in which that took place.
Speaker 3: So Buddha, also known as Siddhartha Gautama, is believed to
Speaker 3: have lived around the sixth to fourth century BC. Interesting,
Speaker 3: but when was Buddhism.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean.
Speaker 4: Buddhism in practice came from his followers, So I mean
Speaker 4: I'm assuming as he went he taught and he like
Speaker 4: developed his own following and disciples and all of these things.
Speaker 4: But so that's my point. So fifth and sixth century BC,
Speaker 4: it's old. I'm not denying that at all. But also
Speaker 4: the jars were carved a thousand to two thousand years
Speaker 4: before he was alive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that. I thought that Buddha Buddhism started
Speaker 3: around like the turn of the century, you know, around
Speaker 3: you know, year zero or whatever. But yeah, it says
Speaker 3: Buddhism was founded in late sixth century BC, So that
Speaker 3: was whenever Buddha was around, or the original Buddha, because
Speaker 3: I think there was actually several Buddhas, but he's like
Speaker 3: the first.
Speaker 4: Technically, according to their beliefs, anybody can become a Buddha. Right,
Speaker 4: it just like a level of enlightenment and all of that.
Speaker 4: But right, and I knew that it was older than
Speaker 4: like Jesus, for instance, which is why whenever I hear
Speaker 4: people say like, oh, Buddha had christ consciousness, it's like, bro,
Speaker 4: that's that's not even in the same conversations.
Speaker 3: Buddha consciousness is more likely.
Speaker 1: Oh shut up.
Speaker 4: But anyway, my point is that doesn't make sense. Buddhism
Speaker 4: started centuries, uh a millennia after these jars were carved,
Speaker 4: so say that they had something in that regard also,
Speaker 4: that makes no sense. And like the bootest figurines that
Speaker 4: you see, like, sure they've been used by people since
Speaker 4: they were carved, but I don't see a direct connection
Speaker 4: to the trade network. I don't see a direct connection
Speaker 4: to water cisterns. I don't see a direct connection to
Speaker 4: burial sites of some type, you know, not really.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to look up when dn Buddhism. When
Speaker 3: was Buddhism h startopular in Laos?
Speaker 1: Maybe okay, you can look into that.
Speaker 4: When did Buddhism make its way more south as far
Speaker 4: as the Asian continent is concerned.
Speaker 1: I mean, but even.
Speaker 4: Still, it would be well, after these stone jars were
Speaker 4: carved and put in place.
Speaker 3: Well, what I thought it was like, uh, wasn't it
Speaker 3: four thousand BC? That whenever they suggest that these things were.
Speaker 4: Created the early assessments as of this moment, some of
Speaker 4: them three thousand BC, some of them like one thousand BC,
Speaker 4: so to that point, but.
Speaker 3: It was alive and four fucking thousand.
Speaker 1: BC before five hundred BC.
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't five hundred BC.
Speaker 1: That's so what you just said six to fifth century BC, six.
Speaker 3: To fifth century BC. So what sixth century BC is
Speaker 3: six thousand BC?
Speaker 1: Right? A century is one hundred years? My boy?
Speaker 3: Oh, I am tripping.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So when you say six thousand years, it's like
Speaker 1: you mean six.
Speaker 3: Oh, I am all the way fucked right now, you're right,
Speaker 3: you're right, yeah. But even still, Buddhism became popular in
Speaker 3: Laos starting from the seventh to eighth centuries AD, so after,
Speaker 3: way after, So that would be that would just point
Speaker 3: to the people of that time, not necessarily the people
Speaker 3: that created them exactly.
Speaker 1: And that's my point.
Speaker 4: These stone jars were carved and moved at the same time,
Speaker 4: or at least around the same When I say at
Speaker 4: the same time, I don't mean the exact year thereof,
Speaker 4: but I mean around the same time frame, the same
Speaker 4: thousand year stint where the pyramids that Egypt were being.
Speaker 3: Built right right, which is making so strange about like
Speaker 3: these are all I mean, yeah, probably a couple hundred
Speaker 3: years away from each other, but right around the same
Speaker 3: time zone that people are speculating that these things were
Speaker 3: created with, you know, the pyramids and and this like
Speaker 3: and amongst other things. But it's weird, just like you know,
Speaker 3: we just just we just supposed that they were stupid
Speaker 3: and they didn't know what the fuck they were doing
Speaker 3: because they weren't advanced, but they had a rhyme or reason.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't just pull or push you know, four ton
Speaker 3: or fourteen ton fucking uh bowls or pots or cups
Speaker 3: or whatever uphill for no damn reason.
Speaker 4: So also, while you're looking, look up, when did iron
Speaker 4: working become a thing in this region Because for some
Speaker 4: of the sandstone, again some of them that are made
Speaker 4: of a sandstone, I could absolutely understand why they were
Speaker 4: able to do that with stone chisels or even bronze chisels.
Speaker 1: This makes sense to me.
Speaker 4: The granite dude, you couldn't do that by in that
Speaker 4: timeframe of two thousand, three thousand BC because you would
Speaker 4: need iron for this, and how in the actual hell
Speaker 4: did it And it's not like cutting a stone, right,
Speaker 4: We've talked about how they did it in Egypt with
Speaker 4: the bricks and how there's excuse me, bronze saws they
Speaker 4: would use and they pour some sand into the cut
Speaker 4: and they'd scrape it and pour some more sand and
Speaker 4: scrape it in very long, arduous process to make a
Speaker 4: cube out of a stone. I understand this. We're talking
Speaker 4: about getting inside of it and carving out the walls.
Speaker 1: No, dude, you're gonna need You're gonna need iron for.
Speaker 3: This, says iron working in Laos began around seven hundred BC,
Speaker 3: following the earlier use of bronze, which started around fifteen
Speaker 3: hundred BC.
Speaker 4: Okay, seven hundred BC, and the last jar was made
Speaker 4: a thousand BC.
Speaker 3: A you see what I'm saying. Fucking aliens, that's the answer.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, that's just what we're gonna say with this one.
Speaker 1: Who knows, dude.
Speaker 4: We get to the next theory. A mythical race of giants.
Speaker 4: Some legends add a mythological dimension to the various planes
Speaker 4: of jars. Theories suggest seeing they were created by a
Speaker 4: race of giants and their king kun Chung. The story
Speaker 4: goes that these giants use the jars to brew and
Speaker 4: store huge quantities of rice wine, known locally as Lao hi,
Speaker 4: although we also saw the Lao lao, which is like
Speaker 4: the rice whiskey that they make. Look, who's to say
Speaker 4: if they're giants and their party, and who knows what
Speaker 4: they were making.
Speaker 3: Anyway, they probably just s if they were giants, they
Speaker 3: probably just called.
Speaker 1: It right to be drunken celebration of a great victory.
Speaker 4: While this theory isn't supported by archaeological evidence, it's a
Speaker 4: significant part of the cultural and historical narratives surrounding the jars.
Speaker 4: There are other less prominent and more speculative theories as
Speaker 4: to the purpose of the huge number of vessels in
Speaker 4: the field of jars, including some sort of ceremonial or
Speaker 4: ritualistic use, or as a status symbol or representations of
Speaker 4: social ranking. There's also speculation that they were used in
Speaker 4: relation to astronomy or calendar type devices used to mark
Speaker 4: certain celestial events or seasons. They could also be territorial
Speaker 4: markers or boundary stones delineating specific areas, or, given the
Speaker 4: age of the ministry surrounding the jars, they might have
Speaker 4: held religious or spiritual significance that is not yet understood,
Speaker 4: possibly related to the ancient belief systems or practices which
Speaker 4: have been lost to history. See this is my problem. This,
Speaker 4: this is my problem, dude. Anytime there is something that
Speaker 4: we can't easily explain, oh, we believe it had verious significant,
Speaker 4: ceremonial and religious principles.
Speaker 1: That's that's what it was for. It's like, Okay, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, it's possible. It's not impossible.
Speaker 4: It's possible, yes, but these were obviously vessels meant to
Speaker 4: hold something, carry something, store something like, they had a
Speaker 4: pretic use, and maybe there was a spiritual or religious
Speaker 4: or ceremonial use for them holding something.
Speaker 1: But it's just, oh, dude, it's such a cop out
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 4: Every time we find anything that we just can't easily
Speaker 4: identify clearly it was a religious significant thing.
Speaker 3: It's like, I mean, is it possible though, Like, because
Speaker 3: it wasn't that long ago that people were really into
Speaker 3: like the weird spiritual shit. It wasn't until organized religion
Speaker 3: came and started making everything the way that we know it.
Speaker 3: But back then there wasn't really organized religion. You had
Speaker 3: certain pagan deities and maybe there was a certain community
Speaker 3: that offered up offerings to certain spirits or ancestors or
Speaker 3: something like that.
Speaker 1: I didn't call it organized religion.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean within each community. I mean organized for
Speaker 3: a community, I guess, but not for like a large
Speaker 3: not for like the whole world or a specific country.
Speaker 2: Ma.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Romans had a very organized religion. The Greeks had a
Speaker 4: very organized religion. Egypt had a very organized religion. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 4: when they built the pyramids, they had a very organized
Speaker 4: and structure religion.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, but I'm talking about the Romans.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, when the Romans is like, yeah, they they
Speaker 4: had granted, it was basically the exact same Hellenistic vibe.
Speaker 4: They just renamed things to make it Roman, even though
Speaker 4: they took all of their notes from the Greeks. And
Speaker 4: then there's an argument to say that the Greeks took
Speaker 4: all of their notes from the Egyptians.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 4: But yeah, they had very specific practices that had to
Speaker 4: be uphild. It wasn't just kind of a fly by night,
Speaker 4: do it feels right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: But it was ever changing though, at least from my research,
Speaker 3: as far as at least within the Roman times, because
Speaker 3: before Christianity made its way over into that region of
Speaker 3: the world, they were legit like they had fucking cults
Speaker 3: where they were worshiping the emperor's genius or which was
Speaker 3: another way of just saying that the emperor's guardian angel
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 4: They had, yeah, military cults that would worship the emperor
Speaker 4: as a deity himself, which is why he was put
Speaker 4: a statue of him was usually put into either a
Speaker 4: his own temple or be the temple of Zeus for
Speaker 4: that or I should say Jupiter as you do.
Speaker 3: With the mad dog matters.
Speaker 4: It's some Yeah, I've seen people Bill trying some mad dog.
Speaker 4: I had to take mine down, but that's besides the point.
Speaker 4: But didn't neither here there, Okay, but yeah, there is
Speaker 4: people that would do that, But that's my point. You
Speaker 4: would have organized cults to a specific deity, but I
Speaker 4: wouldn't call that unorganized.
Speaker 1: If anything, I would call that extremely structured. It was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a pantheon, and there was.
Speaker 4: More than one way or more than one way to
Speaker 4: worship in totality. But like you knew that this God
Speaker 4: expected this type of sacrifice, This God expected this type
Speaker 4: of sacrifice this, God did this thing, and it's like,
Speaker 4: if you wanted this, you sacrifice this in order to
Speaker 4: get this, so like it to us in now, our
Speaker 4: modern day, we might see that as kind of all
Speaker 4: over the place and unorganized. I would argue that that's
Speaker 4: very organized as a matter of fact.
Speaker 1: But I mean, there's that's the thing.
Speaker 4: We're talking about, a religion in this area of Southeast
Speaker 4: Asia that we probably will never know about because it's
Speaker 4: been lost to the sands of time. Buddhism took over,
Speaker 4: like you said, in the eighth century a d. So
Speaker 4: whatever the people were worshiping before that point, who fucking.
Speaker 3: Knows, man, who knows?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So anyway, so yeah, the plane of jars, it's
Speaker 4: a wild it's a wild conversation, dude.
Speaker 3: I actually did want to pull up a couple of
Speaker 3: the other possible speculative kind of things here, and so
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. Some of it's gonna get a
Speaker 3: little wooy loo woo woo wie if you will, Okay,
Speaker 3: But I mean, hey, you can't really throw anything out
Speaker 3: because there is no answer, so you can only speculate. So,
Speaker 3: first of all, you had the the whole giants and
Speaker 3: that whole conversation, which we're not going to go back into,
Speaker 3: but if you think about it as far as that
Speaker 3: whole giant situation, So that's what they believe. As far
Speaker 3: as the local Lautian legend that there was a race,
Speaker 3: a race of giants that roam the land. The jars
Speaker 3: created by are created for Kun Chung, who had just
Speaker 3: won a great battle. To celebrate, he commissioned the creation
Speaker 3: of massive jars to brew and store huge quantities of
Speaker 3: rice wine for the victory feast. It says that this
Speaker 3: theory fits into broader Indo Asian mythology of giants and
Speaker 3: sky beings who built massive structures around the world, much
Speaker 3: like the Nephelum lore in the Bible. So I thought
Speaker 3: that was kind of strange. Then we we can't not
Speaker 3: mention aliens like it's gotta get thrown out there.
Speaker 1: Why the fuck not at this point?
Speaker 3: Not so it says alien landing markers or stargates. All right,
Speaker 3: you got your ship like this, you gotta get a
Speaker 3: little stargatey up in here, dude.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So some French theory believe that the plane of jars
Speaker 3: aligns with the ancient global energy grids much like the
Speaker 3: Nasca lines or Stonehenge. According to this idea, the jars
Speaker 3: are not just containers but markers or amplifiers of electromagnetic energy,
Speaker 3: placed deliberately by either extraterrestrial visitors or ancient civilizations guided
Speaker 3: by them. So the jar's durable material. There's strange distribution
Speaker 3: across wide areas and lack of clear quarrying records, all
Speaker 3: fueled the alien theory. Of course, maybe why not? Then
Speaker 3: you get into the interdimensional anchors. Possibly so in esoteric circles,
Speaker 3: it speculated that the jars were used in soul transference
Speaker 3: or anchoring rituals. The theory posits that they could have
Speaker 3: held relics or remains during astral or shamanic ceremonies where
Speaker 3: the goal was to preserve or transfer consciousness, essentially acting
Speaker 3: like primitive soul jars or horcuxes. All right, throw a
Speaker 3: little Harry Potter in there. So the jar's hollow interiors
Speaker 3: in alignment with certain lay lines give this idea some
Speaker 3: mystical appeal. Then there's obviously the last civilization technology, one
Speaker 3: of my favorites if we're going here, similar to the
Speaker 3: Atlantis of the East idea, Some believe that the jars
Speaker 3: were created by a now lost advanced civilization with stone
Speaker 3: shaping technology unknown to us. Some of the jars were
Speaker 3: made of solid granite, which would have required extreme tools
Speaker 3: or methods to carve precisely, methods that supposedly didn't exist
Speaker 3: in the region at that time. This parallels other anomalies
Speaker 3: like the Ballbeck stones in Lebanon or the megaliths of
Speaker 3: Saska Jueman in Peru. I don't know how to say.
Speaker 3: That's a long ass word. Then you got the ancient
Speaker 3: refrigeration and food storage, which, man, I'm not big on
Speaker 3: that one. This is the one that I thought was
Speaker 3: really interesting, which is the dragon or naga symbolism. So
Speaker 3: in Southeastern Asian mythology, it's filled with tales of the naga,
Speaker 3: which are the serpent and deities. Right Yeah, And some
Speaker 3: believe that the jars mark important lay points or dragon
Speaker 3: lines across the land. They may have been used in
Speaker 3: rituals to appease earth spirits or channel energy along these
Speaker 3: invisible lines, much like the Chinese funk Shue grid or
Speaker 3: Indian vast iwo. So this theory blends animism, geomancy, and
Speaker 3: ancient serpent worship traditions. And then of course, and then
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, well, let's get into this
Speaker 3: whole Asian dragon grid theory, right.
Speaker 1: So talked about that in an episode.
Speaker 4: Do there certain buildings that are built with dragon holes
Speaker 4: cut into them for funk shue purposes?
Speaker 1: Even architecturally speaking in.
Speaker 4: Our modern day, they build buildings so that the spirit
Speaker 4: of dragons can pass through unimpeded.
Speaker 1: Some mean, okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: So In Eastern geomancy, such as funk Shui and vastu
Speaker 3: et cetera, lay lines are referred to as dragon lines,
Speaker 3: currents of chi or life or life force that flows
Speaker 3: across the land these lines. These lines often aligned with
Speaker 3: mountain ranges, sacred temples, rivers, and megalithic sites. So the
Speaker 3: Plane of Jars is located in northern Laos near the
Speaker 3: Anamite Mountains. The entire Mikong River basin, which includes Laos, Cambodia,
Speaker 3: and Vietnam, is said to host an energetic vortex that
Speaker 3: feeds into the Himalayas and spread southeast into the South
Speaker 3: China Sea. Some researchers place the Plane of Jars along
Speaker 3: a secondary or tertiary lay grid that aligns with the
Speaker 3: Ankor Watt and Cambodia, Bagan and Myanmar and watt Fu
Speaker 3: in southern Laos, and possibly even the Nasca lines when
Speaker 3: viewed through certain Great Circle Earth grid models. And this
Speaker 3: suggestion or this suggests a sacred geometric connection nodes of
Speaker 3: consciousness or energy where ancient people's placed temples, monuments, or
Speaker 3: ritual sites to tap into this subtle force. And then
Speaker 3: there's a bunch of like I was just looking into
Speaker 3: all the different grids and lay line and whatever we
Speaker 3: could speculate. Right, there's something called the becker Hagen's grid connection,
Speaker 3: which is really interesting because this theory proposes a dodecahedron
Speaker 3: icosahedron planetary energy structure with sixty two major nodal points.
Speaker 3: These are based on mathematical divisions of the Earth, similar
Speaker 3: to how meridians and parallels divide geography. So if you
Speaker 3: really want to get real weird, that's really where you go.
Speaker 3: I'm not even gonna go there. But then there's of
Speaker 3: course the sound vibrational lay line points such as like
Speaker 3: acoustic resonance and harmonic or natural harmonic amplification that would
Speaker 3: allegedly reverberate through the land subsonic vibrational pathways, hypothesized sound corridors,
Speaker 3: and you can really just get fucking wild. But I
Speaker 3: thought that it was interesting the most with the Southeast
Speaker 3: Asian dragon lines, which you know, you got the certain
Speaker 3: nature chi that just flows through the land. I don't
Speaker 3: know what the fucking pots would have to do with that,
Speaker 3: but it's like it always seems like anytime there's like
Speaker 3: these megalithic structures, they're always, for one reason or another,
Speaker 3: perfectly in line on certain grids or lay lines like that. Right,
Speaker 3: Like we bring up our boy that likes to talk
Speaker 3: about the the energetic grid and the lay lines and
Speaker 3: the thirty third pel parallels and shit like that. I
Speaker 3: just believe that the people way back then were much
Speaker 3: more connected to the land than what we are now.
Speaker 3: You know, they respected the land. They looked at the
Speaker 3: land as if it was that it wasn't, you know,
Speaker 3: just some animate object or inanimate object. Rather that they
Speaker 3: they like had built like some weird connection to the land.
Speaker 3: And maybe that maybe that's why we don't know, because
Speaker 3: we don't understand the way that they were thinking back then.
Speaker 3: And I think that that's really the the the mystery
Speaker 3: here for the most part, it's that we don't understand
Speaker 3: their mind and their connection to the whatever their spiritual
Speaker 3: essence was, or what were they connected to to the
Speaker 3: land or the spirits of the ancestors, to the gods.
Speaker 3: And maybe it's not spiritual at all, Maybe it literally
Speaker 3: is just a burial ground. That's also possible too. But
Speaker 3: even with the burial ground, I find it very interesting
Speaker 3: that they would bring it all the way up to
Speaker 3: the top of the hill, maybe the closest you can
Speaker 3: get to Heaven symbolically.
Speaker 4: Maybe, But even with that, there's higher mountains that they
Speaker 4: could have chose.
Speaker 1: So like, what was the purpose to this? But I
Speaker 1: think you might be onto something here.
Speaker 4: And this is currently a working theory that I have
Speaker 4: not about who created the jars or for what purpose?
Speaker 1: Who knows? And I hope that as.
Speaker 4: More archaeological discovery is done, once they can clear out
Speaker 4: more of the minds and things, that maybe we'll find
Speaker 4: out more answers to these questions. Right that being said,
Speaker 4: why are there so many minds? Yeah, the Hucci Min
Speaker 4: trail went through this area. Don't get me wrong, I
Speaker 4: get this. There is murals depicting bombings that took place
Speaker 4: at the plane of jars specifically, it's kind of crazy
Speaker 4: to me that we dropped two hundred and sixty two
Speaker 4: million cluster bombs on the plane of jars, not the entirety,
Speaker 4: not the entirety of the huci Man trail and all that.
Speaker 4: We dropped a lot more, don't get me wrong, just
Speaker 4: on these jars themselves. We dropped this much, ordinance, more
Speaker 4: than we dropped on the entirety of Europe in World
Speaker 4: War Two. So here's my theory. I think that you're
Speaker 4: right that these jars were or they are, some kind
Speaker 4: of a connection now to what, to whom, to what dimension? Look,
Speaker 4: who knows, who fucking knows. But I think it's very
Speaker 4: interesting that during this operation Operation Rollback so.
Speaker 1: On the wait, wait, I don't want to misquote, I
Speaker 1: don't want.
Speaker 4: To know roll Operation Barrel role. I find it very
Speaker 4: very interesting that the United States government, while I have
Speaker 4: a whole war going on in Vietnam, and yes they're
Speaker 4: trying to break up the logistical pathway for the North
Speaker 4: Namese and viet Cong and all, that they go out
Speaker 4: of their way to try to destroy these jars that
Speaker 4: weren't doing things.
Speaker 3: Which kind of do resemble barrels?
Speaker 1: They do? They do?
Speaker 3: You know, you call it barrel roll in that area
Speaker 3: from our government and we're bombing that land on top
Speaker 3: of these fucking seemingly barrel type structures.
Speaker 4: Then look at more modern days, when we invaded Iraq,
Speaker 4: where was the first place we went to?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: I know this, I forget though.
Speaker 1: It was It was Nebuknezer's palace.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 4: Yes, Now there's people that will speculate as to the
Speaker 4: why on that? Was it for the stargate? Was it
Speaker 4: for the artifacts? Was it just to take out the
Speaker 4: heart and soul of the Iraqi army by taking their
Speaker 4: most prized possessions i e. Their historical possessions to where
Speaker 4: they would have no will to fight. Look, I don't
Speaker 4: know their speculation on this, but that being said, if
Speaker 4: we're trying to disrupt Vietnam, why are we bombing a
Speaker 4: what is now a UNESCO.
Speaker 1: World Heritage Site for Laos.
Speaker 4: It's very similar to when Napoleon went to Egypt and
Speaker 4: he fired canons at the pyramids. But why you're not
Speaker 4: going to destroy them with canons? You already won the battle,
Speaker 4: or you're just trying to stomp on the heart and
Speaker 4: soul of Egypt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or is it or.
Speaker 3: Or is it desecrating that there were gods before you
Speaker 3: if you wanted to be seen as a god.
Speaker 1: You see where I'm going with that. Now.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that the American president at the time
Speaker 4: of Operation Barrel role, which was I mean nine years.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that Johnson and or Nixon and or
Speaker 4: whoever was trying well no, no, no, Nixon was after that
Speaker 4: or before that. I should say it was Kennedy than Johnson.
Speaker 4: But either way, I am not saying that they were
Speaker 4: trying to be seen as gods to the people of Laos.
Speaker 4: But if you were trying to disrupt those people's spiritual
Speaker 4: connection in some way, shape or form, and or prevent
Speaker 4: any archaeologist to ever discover what they were actually used for,
Speaker 4: because that might get in the way of the historical
Speaker 4: narrative that we've come to know and love.
Speaker 1: Perhaps there was more of.
Speaker 4: A h more of a a Malfesians to it, right,
Speaker 4: Maybe there was a bit more evil intent behind the
Speaker 4: bombings of the Plane of Jars. I don't know that
Speaker 4: for a fact, but that is a whole hell of
Speaker 4: a lot of ordinance to be bombing the shit out
Speaker 4: of two thousand stone jars.
Speaker 3: Dude, I mean, yeah, maybe you don't point necessarily to
Speaker 3: a president as him wanting to become a god or
Speaker 3: anything like that, but if you look at it grand scale,
Speaker 3: are you trying to make America God? Are you trying
Speaker 3: to make you know, the literal world's leader in basically
Speaker 3: fucking everything? Like we pretty much lay down, dick whatever
Speaker 3: we do, right and compared to I mean not as
Speaker 3: far as manufacturing, but as far as consuming goes, we
Speaker 3: got that down.
Speaker 4: H It's like the same conversation is why can't we
Speaker 4: go to every area of the Grand Canyon, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: certain areas are dangerous and they don't want people to
Speaker 4: get hurt, and I get that, But there are other
Speaker 4: areas they don't want us to go to because it
Speaker 4: would expose a little bit of the prehistory that they
Speaker 4: don't want us.
Speaker 1: To know about. Right, We've talked about that.
Speaker 3: And get to the giant doorways.
Speaker 4: So why would they bomb the shit out of these
Speaker 4: stone jars that they allegedly no one knows where they
Speaker 4: came from, carved somewhere around three thousand BC. What difference
Speaker 4: does it make that's not gonna hurt anybody unless the
Speaker 4: more we find out about these things, the more it
Speaker 4: kind of unravels the fabric of what we thought. Again,
Speaker 4: those granite stone carvings, nobody knew how to do that
Speaker 4: in one thousand BC. How the fuck did they accomplish
Speaker 4: that unless and again now we get into the speculation.
Speaker 4: Was it giants? Was it aliens? Was it air dimensional beings?
Speaker 4: Were these people operating at a level of technology that
Speaker 4: we seriously have never considered that they could even have
Speaker 4: before that point, but they were fucking with it?
Speaker 1: How do they get that technology? How do they get
Speaker 1: that knowledge?
Speaker 4: And you see what I'm saying, It starts the churning,
Speaker 4: It starts the wheels spinning. I don't know, but it
Speaker 4: stands to reason that the American government really did not
Speaker 4: want those jars to survive the war. They bombed the
Speaker 4: fuck out of them for nine straight years.
Speaker 3: Good cult members, let us know what you think. We
Speaker 3: tried to cover as many possible angles that we could
Speaker 3: on this one, and we are still puzzled at the end.
Speaker 3: I don't have even one like leading theory with this
Speaker 3: whole thing. It is just so mind boggling. I mean,
Speaker 3: why would you have these giant fucking structures. I mean,
Speaker 3: are you you're just gonna be using as burial grounds
Speaker 3: in Loos? I mean, what were they up to back then?
Speaker 3: What were they doing? What did they do it for?
Speaker 1: Was it just.
Speaker 3: To collect rain water? Was it just to store wine?
Speaker 3: Was it just to maybe they were storing grain or
Speaker 3: rice or whatever. Or was it used in some kind
Speaker 3: of magical ceremony. Was it to call on the sky gods?
Speaker 3: Was it to line up astrologically, was it to like
Speaker 3: line up perfectly with the grids of the lay lines
Speaker 3: of the earth, or maybe something even entirely more different,
Speaker 3: like the fucking giants using them for whiskey glasses. Let
Speaker 3: us know.
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