WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.760 --> 00:00:04.320 You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from 2 00:00:04.400 --> 00:00:07.960 KFI AM six forty. 3 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:11.160 I am six forty. It's Later with Mo Kelly. Let's 4 00:00:11.199 --> 00:00:14.160 go Beyond the box Score with Jackie Ray. Jackie Ray 5 00:00:14.240 --> 00:00:15.960 is good to see you this evening. You're ready to 6 00:00:16.039 --> 00:00:16.359 do this. 7 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:17.920 I am ready to go. 8 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:22.359 This segment going beyond the box Score, where sports and 9 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:27.480 society meet, I think is perfect for this next discussion. 10 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:32.079 We know that former President Trump sat down with Joe Rogan, 11 00:00:32.119 --> 00:00:36.119 whose sports adjacent with the UFC. We know that Vice 12 00:00:36.119 --> 00:00:40.479 President Harris and presidential candidate sat down with Shannon Sharp, 13 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:44.359 NFL Hall of Famer, Pro Football Hall of Famer and 14 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:49.000 also podcast hosts, one of the fastest rising podcast hosts 15 00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:52.960 in history. What does it say to you when there 16 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:57.159 really no more boundaries anymore, it's just media. 17 00:00:57.799 --> 00:01:00.960 So as a person who is trained in journalism as 18 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:05.000 you are, sometimes it's unnerving to sit back and look 19 00:01:05.359 --> 00:01:08.879 at the direction things are going. Because Shannon Sharp, you 20 00:01:08.920 --> 00:01:12.439 and I have talked about this, he's not a great interviewer. 21 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:15.400 He is Uncle Shay Shay, and it's great to sit 22 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:18.239 down with him and have a conversation. But you know, 23 00:01:18.319 --> 00:01:21.519 especially when you're talking about politicians, you want to be 24 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:25.239 able to know enough about their policies, know enough about 25 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:28.000 their background that when they say anything that's kind of 26 00:01:28.079 --> 00:01:31.000 outside or maybe adjacent to what you know about them, 27 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:34.480 you have a very good follow up question where you 28 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:37.079 can ask that hard hitting question and you can potentially 29 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:40.760 get people either new information or you can reiterate something 30 00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:43.079 that they should know but maybe they don't know. And 31 00:01:43.159 --> 00:01:45.760 you're talking about Joe Rogan, obviously I have a preference 32 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:48.480 between these two people. But when you're talking about Joe 33 00:01:48.560 --> 00:01:52.680 Rogan and Shannon Sharp, neither one of them, in my opinion, 34 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:57.319 do fantastic or outstanding interviews. They all lean in towards 35 00:01:57.760 --> 00:02:01.359 their bias, whatever that may be good bad, and neither 36 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:03.840 one of them have done enough of their homework to 37 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:07.480 ask the kind of questions they're going to be impactful on, 38 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:10.759 either changing people's mindsets or offering new information. 39 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:14.000 I come at this a different way. I think it's 40 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:17.719 a both and proposition. I don't mind when you have 41 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:22.439 these podcast hosts who are not journalists, who are sitting 42 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:26.400 down with very important people having conversations which could be 43 00:02:26.879 --> 00:02:29.199 substantive or rather simple. 44 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:30.280 I don't mind that. 45 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:32.400 But I want it to be both, and I don't 46 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:35.439 want it to be in lieu of serious conversations with 47 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:39.520 serious journalists if you are skipping over those conversations to 48 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:42.240 have three hour conversations with Joe Rogan. And let me 49 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:44.439 just say, if you need three hours to talk to anyone, 50 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:47.000 you're not a good interviewer at all. You need to 51 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:49.120 be able to get to the point inside of three hours. 52 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:52.039 You're just rambling and meandering and hoping you come up 53 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:55.719 with something. But I don't mind it. I don't mind 54 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:58.000 she had and sharp. I don't mind Joe Rogan. But 55 00:02:58.159 --> 00:03:03.719 not instead of sixty men, not instead of a presidential debate, 56 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:06.199 you know what I mean? And now politics is now 57 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:10.280 a form of entertainment. That's what bothers me. We are 58 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:13.080 looking to be entertained. I'm reading people. It's like, well, 59 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:15.039 I want to be able to see so and so 60 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:17.159 talk to so and so. No, that's not what it's about. 61 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:21.120 I want to be able to hear the substantive answers 62 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:23.520 of a person who wants to be leader of the 63 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:27.759 free world, and hopefully the person asking the question is 64 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:30.879 armed well enough to be able to probe and actually 65 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:33.039 get to something. For example, let me go back in 66 00:03:33.120 --> 00:03:36.000 history real quick. I didn't mind when Bill Clinton went 67 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:38.639 on with our Sinio Hall. Yeah, because he was also 68 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:40.919 doing the other stuff. It was in addition to, not 69 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:43.960 instead of So that's where I come out on that. 70 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:47.360 I don't think we're going to learn anything from either conversation. 71 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:52.280 Will we be entertained, probably, and we're getting more entertainment 72 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:55.599 than information and education, then I think it says more 73 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:57.400 about us as a society. 74 00:03:58.000 --> 00:03:59.800 And that's exactly what I was going to say. I 75 00:03:59.800 --> 00:04:03.080 think if anyone wants to take anything out of this, 76 00:04:03.919 --> 00:04:06.719 it might be a self reflection moment. Are you because 77 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:09.639 we're at the point now where it's the dumbing down 78 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:12.159 of our society, So now you have to ask yourself, 79 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:14.520 am I part of the dumbing down? These are hard 80 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:16.759 questions that we really need to ask ourselves. Do you 81 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:21.040 need to see and are you okay with Donald Trump 82 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:23.160 going on the Joe Rogan Show and then people who 83 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:25.800 are actually trying to support his campaign being left in 84 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:28.639 the cold while he does so, Or is it important 85 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:31.920 to actually care about the American people? Do you want 86 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:34.040 to hear him talk about how it was surreal for 87 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:36.000 him to be in the White House or do you 88 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:38.399 want him to break down his policies and how they 89 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:40.959 are going to impact you, and how he's going to 90 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:44.199 go through our governmental process to get those things passed. 91 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:47.800 I agree with Yes, you want to be able to 92 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:51.639 relate to the person that's going to lead our nation, 93 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:54.720 so don't I'm right there with you. I don't mind 94 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:57.680 these one offs that ask them more of those personal questions, 95 00:04:57.920 --> 00:05:00.399 but it has to be after I have seeing you 96 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:03.959 sit down with seasoned journalists, a political journalist who's been 97 00:05:03.959 --> 00:05:06.279 doing it for thirty years, who knows what you did 98 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:08.600 when you were over here and has this background to 99 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:10.439 ask questions that I wouldn't even think of. 100 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:11.959 I need to see both. 101 00:05:12.040 --> 00:05:13.639 I need to see that you are going to be 102 00:05:13.759 --> 00:05:16.839 really good at your job and you are relatable. I 103 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:18.879 don't need to know that you just appealed to whatever 104 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:19.759 I think you should be. 105 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:21.879 I need to know that you're educated enough to do 106 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:22.360 this job. 107 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:25.879 We completely agree in that respect, and it saddens me 108 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:30.639 because I hold America, the country the ideals to a 109 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:34.720 much higher standard. When we talk about American exceptionalism, it 110 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:37.879 is more an idea than a reality. Now, when you 111 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:43.240 talk about American exceptionalism and you want just bare bones basic, 112 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:49.439 the lowest possible common denominator, then American exceptionalism doesn't really 113 00:05:49.480 --> 00:05:53.519 exist as it originally was envisioned. I don't have anything 114 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:57.160 against Joe Rogan, but he doesn't have the background or 115 00:05:57.160 --> 00:06:01.480 the foundation to talk about this particular sular moment within 116 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:04.680 the context of history. I don't have anything against Shannon Sharp, 117 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:08.399 but I damn sure know that he doesn't have the background, 118 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:12.079 the historical foundation to be able to put any of 119 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:13.839 this in its proper context. 120 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:15.160 So we just getting entertainment. 121 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:18.199 And if that's all we want is a nation, then okay, 122 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:19.920 then oh, that's all we. 123 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:22.079 Want is a nation. Then we shouldn't be surprised that 124 00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:25.000 we're not first in education. We shouldn't be surprised that 125 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:28.040 we have the highest mortality rate when women give birth. 126 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:30.519 We shouldn't be surprised that we are at the bottom 127 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:33.079 of the bear, that our dollar is losing its value. 128 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:35.439 Don't be surprised if you just want to laugh and giggle, 129 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:37.360 laugh and giggle and let the world pass us by. 130 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:40.639 Oh you're saying that there's a correlation here. 131 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:43.879 I am no. 132 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:45.199 I am no. 133 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:47.399 Like my dad used to tell me all the time. 134 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:49.519 You know, at the end of the day, your safety, 135 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:52.600 your well being is your own responsibility. And if you 136 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:56.160 are not cognizant enough to know that, you just want 137 00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:59.120 to know that a person agrees with your mindset instead 138 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:01.000 of knowing that they can can lead the country in 139 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:03.720 the right direction, then you, my friend, are part of 140 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:04.279 the problem. 141 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:06.720 Ah that agreement. I say it all the time. We 142 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:10.000 are not as Americans. We're not in search of information 143 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:13.879 or even education. We're in search of affirmation. We want 144 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:19.439 confirmation bias. We want our politicians to reflect our worldview, 145 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:24.399 not necessarily push forward our world where that leads us 146 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:24.920 as a nation. 147 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:25.680 I don't know. 148 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:29.480 We have eight days until the election, and then the 149 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:32.680 election won't be decided in eight days, so who knows 150 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:36.160 what this conversation will look like a month from now. 151 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:37.279 But I do know. 152 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:41.399 I do know that neither Joe Rogan nor Shannon Sharp 153 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:45.600 their respective conversations, added to that equation. 154 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:47.399 It's later with mo Kelly. 155 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:49.360 We're going to continue to go beyond the box score 156 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:51.879 with Jackie Ray on the other side of this break, 157 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:53.879 and when we do, we're going to talk about this 158 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:57.480 recent podcast by angel Reaes when she sat down with 159 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:02.399 Shaquille O'Neil, and despite Shaquille nils best intentions, he embodied 160 00:08:02.439 --> 00:08:06.879 all of the sexism, all the misogyny, all the disparate 161 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:11.279 treatment of w NBA players that we had long talked about. 162 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:12.879 You don't know what I mean, Well, we'll tell you 163 00:08:12.920 --> 00:08:13.600 about it next. 164 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:17.920 You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from 165 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:19.759 KFI AM six forty. 166 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:23.000 PFI AM six forty Yes Later with Mo Kelly and 167 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:25.959 Jackie Ray, as we continue to go beyond the box Score. 168 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:29.199 Jackie Ray checked us out back on October twenty fourth, 169 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:35.320 the episode of Angel Reese's podcast, Unapologetically Angel, she sat 170 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:40.600 down with Basketball Hall of Famer Shaquille O'Neill. And everyone 171 00:08:40.679 --> 00:08:44.039 knows who Shaquille O'Neil is. He needs no introduction, and 172 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:48.200 Angel rees has long admired Shaquille O'Neill. Shaquill O'Neil is 173 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:52.519 about maybe fifty three. Angel Reese is twenty two, so 174 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:56.559 there's a maybe a father daughter dynamic to this, right, 175 00:08:57.039 --> 00:08:59.960 and Shaq is a father of daughters. I think all 176 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:02.559 of them are older than Angel Reees, so the context 177 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:05.759 is key. They had a conversation which I thought was 178 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:11.039 going to lead somewhere pretty positive, meaningful informative, talking about 179 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:13.919 how you could expand the w NBA so it is 180 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:19.799 more attractive in a sports sense to fans to increase viewership, 181 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:23.720 and Shack put up the idea that if you lowered 182 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:27.720 the rims it could impact viewership positively. More people would 183 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:31.000 want to see women dunking. He made the comparison between 184 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:35.440 the NBA you have certain skills, good shooters, ball handlers, 185 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:38.399 and we had dunkers, but not in the w NBA. Paraphrasing, 186 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:40.919 but that's basically the argument. But then he went on 187 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:44.159 and said, quote, imagine you in the same little shorts 188 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:47.000 you had on at the Wild and Out show dunking. 189 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:49.639 You know how many T shirts you're gonna sell? 190 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:51.840 And this is why we choose the bear. 191 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:57.799 Explain that reference point, Well, I could explain it. There 192 00:09:57.879 --> 00:10:01.399 was a thought experiment posted on social media like and 193 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:04.080 women were asked if you were stranded in a force 194 00:10:04.159 --> 00:10:06.919 or something, you were lost, and there was the danger 195 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:09.279 of a bear or a man out there, which would 196 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:11.120 you choose? And I'm messing it up, but that's basically 197 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:16.080 what was and women overwhelmingly chose the bear as the 198 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:17.759 threat that they would rather deal. 199 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:20.840 With, right because unless the bear is hungry, if you 200 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:22.639 just play your cards right, he might leave you alone. 201 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:26.679 But there's no chance that you can get through their unscathed. 202 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:29.200 But I really thought, and I'm really glad you laid 203 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:31.600 that out the way that you did with the age difference, 204 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:34.320 and there's just probably this father daughter, you know, situation, 205 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:37.639 because there's certain things that a couple of things that 206 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:40.879 went wrong with this that comment specifically, and because I 207 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:44.039 saw several clips every people clipped that so fast, that 208 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:46.679 was running so fast around social media. 209 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:49.000 But Shack has. 210 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:53.120 Been adamant about lowering the rim for over a decade. 211 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:56.039 This is he has been unwavering in that thought process 212 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:59.600 of lowering the rim. I understand why the women don't 213 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:01.639 want to do it, but I also understand why Shaq 214 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:04.799 would really lean into that. Dunking was his bread and butter. 215 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:07.200 If you don't remember, he was breaking rims back in 216 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:10.000 the day. That was our fanfare around Shack. So I 217 00:11:10.120 --> 00:11:12.639 understand why dunking would be a big deal to him. 218 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:16.240 But to add the booty short thing into it. You know, 219 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:20.240 women's sports are the only genre of sports where sex 220 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:22.840 appeal is always at the forefront of how can we 221 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:23.600 make it sexier. 222 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:24.840 How can we make it sexier? 223 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:27.679 When the NBA was failing, it wasn't about how can 224 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:30.159 we make these men more appealing to women? It was 225 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:32.720 about how can we make the game better, How can 226 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:35.879 we make sure that people can have access to these 227 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:38.159 athletes a little bit more. It's always about the game 228 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:41.879 and the players playing it, not their attractiveness to the 229 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:45.039 opposite sex. And so for Shack to be as old 230 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:47.159 as he is, know the history the way that he does, 231 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:50.720 and still lean into that is a problematic sentiment because 232 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:53.759 quite frankly, as a person who's been covering the WNBA 233 00:11:53.799 --> 00:11:56.440 for three years and has been a fan for much longer, 234 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:00.480 I do not care about the fans that need to 235 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:03.240 see booty cheeks on a dunk you can go. 236 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:08.399 What's troubling to me is there's the historical aspect of, yes, 237 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:11.200 we see what they do with women's volleyball, for example, 238 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:15.440 you see what they've done with women's tennis, and how 239 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:18.879 they sexualize a lot of the outfits for the purpose 240 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:21.039 of television viewing. 241 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:23.919 Right, even gymnastics men's outfit versus. 242 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:31.960 Outfit, absolutely, and I understand with Shacks very neanderthalists delivery 243 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:36.720 what he was getting at, though horrible, what he did 244 00:12:36.759 --> 00:12:41.000 have correct was lowering the rims. I agree with that 245 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:43.440 we don't need the booty shorts, but I agree with 246 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:44.240 lowering the rooms. 247 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:46.639 Here's why they already play with the smaller ball. 248 00:12:47.039 --> 00:12:51.279 It's not as if that subtle differences between the men's 249 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:54.360 and women's game will destroy. 250 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:56.159 The integrity of the game. 251 00:12:56.360 --> 00:12:58.559 If he could have left out the booty shorts and 252 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:03.519 the sexualist of it out of his remarks, then I 253 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:06.559 think I would have been okay, and most people would 254 00:13:06.559 --> 00:13:09.519 have been okay. But he's not wrong about lowering the 255 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:10.799 rim at least when where. 256 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:11.360 I said so. 257 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:14.879 I've had this conversation with several players. Olivia Nelson Odota, 258 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:17.679 she's a forward for the Connecticut Son She can actually dunk. 259 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:20.200 She doesn't dunk, and so I had the chance to 260 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:23.080 ask her, Olivia, why don't you dunk? So to your point, 261 00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:25.879 it's a catch twenty two. She doesn't agree with the 262 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:28.559 lowering of the rim, but by her own admission, she 263 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:30.960 can't just dunk at will during the game because it's 264 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:33.200 got to be something she practices over and over again. 265 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:35.879 She's got to be mentally prepared for. That's something that 266 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:39.000 you have to do when something's just outside. For those 267 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:41.960 of you who are not athletic, I sing, so let's 268 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:44.039 do this. There's certain notes that I can hit just 269 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:46.879 off top right. There's certain notes that if I'm a 270 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:49.159 sing that song, I need three days of practice first 271 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:51.120 because that notes a little bit out of my range, 272 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:54.559 because that's something that's not easy for me. So obviously 273 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:58.960 you do practice that because you know that's entertaining. So again, 274 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:02.559 this is an athletic sports. Sport is entertainment. I would 275 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:04.879 be fine with them lowering the rim a touch. I 276 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:07.960 wouldn't be because again, we have several women. Britney Griner 277 00:14:08.039 --> 00:14:10.120 is what six ' nine sheep rarely dunks. 278 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:12.559 But let me jump in there. It's not about dunk. 279 00:14:12.600 --> 00:14:14.759 It's about the virality of dunk. 280 00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:17.720 Yes, yeah, you know yeah, because a few times we 281 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:20.440 have seen Britney dunk it was like, oh okay, you 282 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:21.639 had to go back and kind of look at the 283 00:14:21.679 --> 00:14:23.600 replay and be like, oh, yeah, I guess she did done. 284 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:27.840 But but she lowered the hammer on fools someone who 285 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:30.200 tried to block it. That's what Shaq is trying to 286 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:32.600 get at. I get that, That's all I'm saying. 287 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:35.240 I get I get that too. It's never gonna fly. 288 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:38.759 And I understand there's a level of ego a little bit, 289 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:40.679 I would say as a whole, because you don't want 290 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:43.159 to say we need to do this to appeal to that. 291 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:43.559 You don't. 292 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:45.399 You don't want to say that, and so I understand 293 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:48.559 why that. But again I've always said that, well, if 294 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:51.639 you don't want to lower the rim because you're like, no, 295 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:53.679 that's the height that the men is, then explain the 296 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:56.759 ball to me. It's always going to be that that 297 00:14:56.919 --> 00:14:59.840 back and forth. I've learned to not really engage in 298 00:14:59.879 --> 00:15:03.919 the fight with WNBA players because it's a unanimous thing. 299 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:06.960 It's unanimous the players do not want this to happen. 300 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:10.639 All I can say is I like it as it is, 301 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:14.320 but I understand the poll for it to go in 302 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:17.080 that direction. And there were similar discussions about the NBA 303 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:20.120 as far as adding the three point shot, tweaking the 304 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:23.879 game so it's more attractive to viewers. This is an 305 00:15:23.879 --> 00:15:26.639 ongoing discussion and the WNBA is going through the exact 306 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:30.039 same growing pains as the NBA when they added the 307 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:34.120 three point shot back in nineteen seventy eight, nineteen seventy nine. 308 00:15:34.519 --> 00:15:36.240 Yeah, but with the addition of Steph Curry. 309 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:39.120 They've even thought about adding an additional line, a one 310 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:42.120 point shot. So the game does have to evolve, and 311 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:45.360 it has to evolve in a way that it's more engaging, 312 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:48.039 not only for the viewers but for the players as well, 313 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:50.840 because you and I both know the egos and the 314 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:54.279 intensity after seeing somebody the whole team elevates. When somebody 315 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:57.879 gets posterized on a dunk. It really does change. It 316 00:15:57.919 --> 00:16:00.000 helps the energy of the team, it helps the energy 317 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:02.639 for the fans. I am not opposed to it, but 318 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:04.480 I have learned asking that question. 319 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:06.320 I'll get you death stairs. 320 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:08.399 Hey Jackie Ray, I gotta run. 321 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:10.679 Are we gonna see you Wednesday night at the Letter 322 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:11.960 with mo Kelly pre Halloween? 323 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:15.720 Soare you will? I'll be at the Monster Bash all. 324 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:16.840 Right, talk you soon. 325 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:18.759 It's a Later with mo Kelly caf I AM six 326 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:21.080 forty Live Everywhere the iHeartRadio app. 327 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:25.279 You're listening to Later with mo Kelly on demand from 328 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:27.200 KFI AM six forty. 329 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:30.559 Mo Kelly Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. And when 330 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:33.200 we started to show off tonight, we were kind of previewing. 331 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:37.200 When we would we would talk about what I called 332 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:41.159 Venice at the time, but I meant Venom the Last Dance, 333 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:46.039 the third in the trilogy of the Venom movies, how 334 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:49.200 it debuted this past weekend, and how it was going 335 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:54.120 to make money regardless of how crappy the actual film is. 336 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:58.799 It's gross one hundred and seventy five million off its 337 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:05.440 first weekend. It did gangbusters internationally, one hundred and twenty 338 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:07.400 four million dollars internationally. 339 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:11.960 By any i'll say financial measure. 340 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:14.839 That is a hit because the budget was only about 341 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:18.000 one hundred and twenty million. But the movie, which I 342 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:21.920 have not seen, is absolute trash from what I'm told, 343 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:26.599 so it's going to make money even though it's absolute trash. 344 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:29.519 It came in at number one with one hundred and 345 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:34.400 seventy five million total worldwide gross, but fifty one, which 346 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:38.559 is what Mark Ronner indicated earlier, which was under the 347 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:41.240 sixty five million or so that it was forecast to 348 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:45.319 bring in domestically this weekend. So it's number one. Venom 349 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:47.680 The Last Dance. I have no desire to see it. 350 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:50.279 I won't be seeing it even when it's free or 351 00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:51.519 available on Blu Ray. 352 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:52.240 Oh look at that. 353 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:56.880 The Last Dance Limited Edition four K Steelbook Blu Ray 354 00:17:56.960 --> 00:17:58.839 is already up for pre order. Yeah you want that 355 00:17:58.880 --> 00:17:59.920 in your library, don't you. 356 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:00.200 Yeah. 357 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:02.279 But see, the thing is, I don't buy any physical 358 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:08.000 media anymore, not CDs, not DVDs, not DVD ROMs. 359 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:08.599 Not vinyl. 360 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:12.839 I don't do analog cassettes. I don't do physical media. 361 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:15.759 I still do, but only for special things that you know, 362 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:18.480 like say the Criterion Collection or Keino Larber that have 363 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:21.759 like a good commentary, something that has rewatch value and 364 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:23.759 extras and documentaries and stuff like that. 365 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:25.960 I think mine is more a product of age. 366 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:29.319 I want to have fewer physical attachments as I get older. 367 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:31.519 Oh yeah, you. 368 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:34.960 Don't want the bill I pay to store my library 369 00:18:35.640 --> 00:18:39.440 up in Seattle every month. The critics Rotten Tomatoes score 370 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:42.400 for Venom the Last Dance, it's thirty eight percent. The 371 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:45.200 audience score is eighty percent. 372 00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:50.119 Clearly there is an audience for this garbage. No, we 373 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:52.920 can say that there's certain food which is not healthy 374 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:55.759 for you. We could talk about flaming hot cheetos and 375 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:58.279 we can say it is not real food. We can 376 00:18:58.279 --> 00:19:01.039 say it's not healthy or good for you, have all 377 00:19:01.039 --> 00:19:04.440 these preservatives and chemicals in it which are probably gonna 378 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:08.160 kill you, but there is an audience for flaming hot Cheetos. 379 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:08.519 Yeah. 380 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:11.960 I eat Doritos sometimes. I eat broccoli sometimes, but I 381 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:13.960 don't want to steady diet of Dorrito's. 382 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:16.720 Okay, Well, if you only come out with one, you know, 383 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:20.079 every three years or so, then yeah, with one, what 384 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:21.680 a ben a movie? 385 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:24.160 Oh okay, that's what I meant. 386 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:28.200 Yeah, So if you can wet their appetite every now 387 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:29.880 and then, then yeah, it would make sense. 388 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:33.200 I get the business decision behind it. 389 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:35.440 When you look at the box office for some of 390 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:37.559 the films that have come out in the past few weeks, 391 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:41.119 very few of those have hit one hundred million out 392 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:43.559 the gate. We've had some thirty eight, some forty eighths 393 00:19:43.599 --> 00:19:46.200 and fifty eight. I think there was even one seventy five. 394 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:49.519 But one hundred out the gate. That's a lot for 395 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:54.119 this film. And it's amazing to me because I don't 396 00:19:54.119 --> 00:19:57.920 think any of us, Foosh included, can find one person 397 00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:00.519 that has seen it and said it was good, which 398 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:04.599 is what I told Mark on Friday. Sony is spending 399 00:20:04.759 --> 00:20:10.200 a lot of money to send interns and employees and family. 400 00:20:09.880 --> 00:20:12.160 And friends to go and see this film. I do 401 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:14.640