WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.120 I didn't think about it something. 2 00:00:02.160 --> 00:00:04.919 I have nothing. I have absolutely nothing. 3 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:09.400 You know, Balky, when I was when I was in 4 00:00:09.599 --> 00:00:12.720 the first grade, I actually had a magic show. I 5 00:00:12.720 --> 00:00:13.000 did it. 6 00:00:13.039 --> 00:00:14.119 I was going to ask you about this. 7 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:16.960 Yeah, yeah, I had a magic show that I did 8 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:19.600 in front of the entire My elementary school was kindergarten 9 00:00:19.640 --> 00:00:21.480 through sixth grade. In the last day of school, we 10 00:00:21.559 --> 00:00:23.719 do a talent show and I had a magic act, 11 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:26.239 the Magnificent Bend. I had seven or eight magic tricks 12 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:30.039 that I planned and I actually learned these just but 13 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:31.920 it was before the internet, Like I bought like a 14 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:35.520 pack of tricks and then it just comes with instructions 15 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:36.840 and all that. And I pulled a rabbit out of 16 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:40.000 a hat. I had a die that I could predict 17 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:43.880 what if you rolled a six. I basically I set 18 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:45.719 it up so that it always added up to seven, 19 00:00:45.759 --> 00:00:47.920 and then I predicted that it was gonna the addition 20 00:00:48.039 --> 00:00:49.759 was going to add up to seven no matter what 21 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:52.119 you rolled. But I would be able to predict what 22 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:53.759 you were doing there. And I had a whole bunch 23 00:00:53.799 --> 00:00:56.600 of things, and I'll be real. In first grade, I 24 00:00:56.640 --> 00:00:58.640 absolutely knocked it out of the park, Like I killed 25 00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:00.359 it into the planet. I was going to be David 26 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:03.280 Blaine before David Blaine was a thing in second grade. 27 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:07.599 Katie Kramer, I'll out her first and last name, Katie Kramer. 28 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:08.959 I'm sure she's a big listener to this. 29 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:12.480 Absolutely, That's why I feel comfortable doing it. She outed 30 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:14.840 how I had a secret compartment in the hat for 31 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:17.159 the rabbit before what a jerk? Tell me about it? 32 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:19.120 And I was doing it in second grade as I was, 33 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:22.120 I was maneuvering. Oh, I was devastated. I still went 34 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:23.920 on and did the show because I was a trooper 35 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:26.760 after that. But that was my swan song. That was 36 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:28.239 the end of it there. And so when we see 37 00:01:28.280 --> 00:01:30.560 movies like now you see Me three, Now you three 38 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:32.400 Me if you will, it brings me. It harkens back 39 00:01:32.439 --> 00:01:34.760 to that era of my life where I really do 40 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:38.680 love magic and magicians, even though my future was cut 41 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:41.040 dramatically short by a couple of jerks. 42 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:44.079 So how did you Why did you give it up? 43 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:46.760 Was it because of the of the of the people 44 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:48.680 outing you and how you pulled it off? 45 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:52.319 So I'll be honest. The pack that I had, I 46 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:55.239 had maxed out all the tricks, like first and second grade, 47 00:01:55.280 --> 00:01:57.400 I basically just did the same show. It's not like 48 00:01:57.439 --> 00:01:59.680 I had adapted, and there really wasn't. I didn't grow 49 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:01.159 up in a house. I'd be like I needed a 50 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:04.359 whole new magic sets, like short of me learning new 51 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:06.920 card tricks on my own. Again in a pre internet era, 52 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:09.960 I really didn't have many means much means to go 53 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:11.639 on with it from there. And you know how it is. 54 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:13.479 They even make a comment in the movie I wanted 55 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:15.759 to be a magician then I turned twelve. Do you 56 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:18.800 know who that was that I can't place it? 57 00:02:18.879 --> 00:02:22.000 That is Andrew Santino, who is a stand up comic. 58 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:25.680 He co hosts the Bad Friends podcast with Mad TV 59 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:28.800 alum Bobby Lee, and he was also in the film 60 00:02:28.960 --> 00:02:30.879 Ricky Stinicky with John Cena. 61 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:33.000 I haven't seen it, but I've heard great things. Yeah. 62 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:35.479 Yeah, he's a funny guy. He's a very funny guy. 63 00:02:35.800 --> 00:02:37.680 And I knew he was in this film, and so 64 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:39.479 then I see him in the beat. It's basically the 65 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:42.319 first scene that Andrew Santino yet, and I'm like, Oh, 66 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:44.479 I wonder if he's going to play a significant role 67 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:46.800 in this man. No, No, it was basically a cameo. 68 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:47.919 He was in that scene and that was it. 69 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:51.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, he did. But so I've always had 70 00:02:51.159 --> 00:02:53.520 an affinity for these movies from that perspective because I 71 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:56.719 did love magic like you can. Still my whimsy has 72 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:58.840 been kind of beaten out of me over the decades. 73 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:00.800 You know, I'm a bit cynic. You guys hear it 74 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:02.400 when you listen to me, whether it's here or on 75 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:03.319 outside the box. 76 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:05.360 It's interesting that a guy like you, who is so 77 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:09.719 cynical about everything, like, was fascinated at one point by magic, 78 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:12.400 all right, or maybe you weren't fascinated by it. You're like, 79 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:14.319 I'm sick and tired of these people doing this stuff. 80 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:15.719 I don't know how they're doing it. I'm gonna do 81 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:18.000 and I'm gonna know how to do it. I'm gonna know, 82 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:20.080 I'm gonna know how they're pulling it off. So you 83 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:23.159 can still be cynical about it, be're like, ah, that's nothing. 84 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:25.479 Oh yeah, but I mean picture that dude, seven year 85 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:28.360 old Ben, Like, there were probably ninety kids per grade 86 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:30.960 in my school, So from kindergarten to sixth grade, that's 87 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:33.680 seven grades. That's over six hundred kids that I'm standing 88 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:35.199 up there pulling a rabbit out of a house. 89 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:38.719 That's insane. That is insane, that's kind of nuts. I 90 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:41.120 was thinking because like when we did I mean, I 91 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:43.680 did a talent show and I went to University Wisconsin, 92 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:45.439 Green Bay, which I think is just Green Bay. 93 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:45.639 Now. 94 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:48.280 I went there for one, not one. 95 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:52.560 Semester, one full year, so two semesters, and I got 96 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:55.400 to I'm watching it happen. Yeah, this is awful, fantastic, 97 00:03:56.599 --> 00:03:57.360 And I did. 98 00:03:57.560 --> 00:03:59.759 They had a freshman talent show, and I did like, 99 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:04.639 you know, drama and school plays and performed stuff. I 100 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:08.159 hosted some stuff in high school, like our big frolic 101 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:11.159 whatever you know, skit things that we would do for 102 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:14.879 homecoming and prom every year. I hosted those, and you know, 103 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:17.800 I didn't mind being in front of people. But then 104 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:20.920 when I was getting up for this Green Bay thing 105 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:24.160 talent show, I did stand up comedy for about twenty 106 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:27.480 twenty five minutes. But it's nothing that I wrote. It 107 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:31.199 was Seinfeld stuff that I memorized. Oh and you know 108 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:33.959 a lot of these people, like some of them knew Seinfeld. 109 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:37.680 This was back in nineteen ninety eight, September of nineteen 110 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:40.399 ninety eight. Sure, and this is right when right, I 111 00:04:40.399 --> 00:04:41.720 think right when it was going off the air. I 112 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:44.000 think it just had gone off the air or whatever 113 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:46.439 it was. And so know these college kids, not a 114 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:48.560 lot of them are into side. So I think legitimately 115 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:50.600 a lot of people thought I was really funny, and 116 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:53.000 I wasn't the only I wasn't the only stand up comic. 117 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:54.639 There was like two other guys, and I didn't think 118 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:56.439 they were very good. I think one guy had one 119 00:04:56.439 --> 00:04:58.199 good joke and then that was it. But I mean, 120 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:01.160 I'm just ripping off Jerry sign on this. Oh yeah, 121 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:02.560 crowd went crazy. 122 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:05.519 Well, you're talking nineteen ninety eight. That's pre video, that's 123 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:09.319 pre on demand, that's pre you know, seasoned DVDs, that's 124 00:05:09.319 --> 00:05:11.879 pre basically internet. I mean, I realized it existed, but 125 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:14.399 not in any kind of meaningful way. So like unless 126 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:16.600 you caught it live and memorized, Like, how did you 127 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:17.240 even have it? 128 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:23.120 Because I would videotape all the Seinfeld episodes. Yeah, and 129 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:25.319 I'd watch these like before I go to bed. 130 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:27.240 Watching I did that with Simpsons. 131 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:31.519 There you go, but the Seinfeld Show would have like 132 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:34.800 him doing stand up comedy, you know, before ever, and 133 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:37.240 so I remember these bits and just I watched so 134 00:05:37.399 --> 00:05:40.040 much of it. Ben it just came naturally. I didn't 135 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:41.839 even think I had like a sheet, you know where 136 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:43.720 you're like, okay, and I got to do this this 137 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:45.680 like I don't even think. I just I had it 138 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:49.360 down and you have the and what's with ID? 139 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:50.839 I didn't. I did not do it. 140 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:52.959 I did it in my own style because I felt 141 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:55.279 like that would be too obvious, like what's to do? 142 00:05:57.160 --> 00:06:02.199 I couldn't do that. So and I don't think I 143 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:04.839 think they had like three finalists or whatever, and I 144 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:07.240 don't think I made made it, which sucked, and I 145 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:09.360 had again again, you have people coming up to you 146 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:10.759 after like I can't believe you weren't in the top 147 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:13.360 three or whatever, and I'm like whatever, it doesn't matter. 148 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:16.519 But then that night, like there was like a dance, 149 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:19.560 like a freshman mixer or whatever, and so many people 150 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:21.319 like came up and like wanted to talk to me 151 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:24.759 and hang out. People I knew from Appleton that I 152 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:26.879 mean that we knew of each other, but we didn't 153 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:29.279 really really hang out. They were coming up to me 154 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:32.720 and like, oh, now now you want to hang out anyway. 155 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:35.279 So that's that was like the largest crowd that I 156 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:37.839 ever did. But I was nineteen or eighteen at the time. 157 00:06:37.879 --> 00:06:40.839 Sure you're seven. Yeah, and like when my seventh grade 158 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:43.240 was seven, when I was seven years old, first second 159 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:46.879 grade classes, man, there's like, I don't know, ten people, 160 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:48.879 fifteen people. I went to a small parochial school. 161 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:49.199 Yeah. 162 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:53.199 When my my eighth grade class graduated, you know, and 163 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:55.000 then you go to the high school in the next year. 164 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:57.360 There were seven people in my eighth grade class seven 165 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:01.040 one girl, one girl, six guys. That was it. So 166 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:03.600 it's totally I mean, I can't even imagine being seven 167 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:04.040 years old. 168 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:06.839 I don't want to say something comes off as judgmental here, 169 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:09.399 but but that sounds like you came up, you're very 170 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:11.360 well adapted. That just seems like those are like the 171 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:13.959 formative years and have such a small group of people 172 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:16.000 that that's suit. And it's basically that you know, the 173 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:19.279 same core group. That's yeah, like you're all friends or enemies. 174 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:21.800 No, there wasn't an I don't think any, but there 175 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:24.120 was there was no enemies going on there. 176 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:27.199 But yeah, because you played sports, that's that's everybody played. 177 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:31.600 Everybody played sports. All all six guys played sports, not 178 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:34.120 all the sports. Some of them skipped soccer, some of 179 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:37.360 them skipped you know, basketball or whatever. But all of 180 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:40.720 them played that's what it does. But we've digressed. We've 181 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:44.639 been off topic far long enough. Now you see me through, 182 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:47.199 you don't, Now you don't. Yeah, it was good. 183 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:51.079 Okay, here's the thing I said. I made up my 184 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:52.920 mind that I was gonna like this movie, and I 185 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:56.600 came through. Yeah, myself, I like this movie. Now, I 186 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:01.800 will say there are certain things I'm like, really, yeah, 187 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:05.199 a man, but it was it was light. It was light. 188 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:06.720 It was very light where I was kind of like, 189 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:12.560 I guess, you know whatever. I think it was much 190 00:08:12.560 --> 00:08:19.959 more formulaic into to the second movie than the first one. 191 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:24.600 It reminded me of how formulaic Hangover Part two was 192 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:26.519 to the original Hangos. 193 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:29.680 I had a very similar thought, very similar thought. I 194 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:33.039 was thinking American Pie, but the same idea because there's. 195 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:35.519 The American Pie. Two was a little bit different. I think. 196 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:37.320 Then, oh see, I think it hits all the exact 197 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:40.080 same plot points, just the actual moment. Instead of getting 198 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:42.039 you know, sticking your thing in a pie, you use 199 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:45.159 the American you glue your hand through right principle. 200 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:48.320 Well I get it, yeah, yes, but I think American 201 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:52.600 Pie two was more. American Pie was like, these guys 202 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:55.279 have known each other for forever. They have the very 203 00:08:55.559 --> 00:09:00.840 very friendly, familiar, familiar familiar relationships. Then they all go 204 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:02.960 off to school, and then they come back and you 205 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:06.200 can see that these guys have changed significantly in just 206 00:09:06.279 --> 00:09:08.600 a few months, you know, coming home for summer break 207 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:10.519 or whatever. So to me that it was it was 208 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:12.559 a little bit different for American Pie too, because I 209 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:15.720 think these characters were significantly different than what they were 210 00:09:15.759 --> 00:09:17.159 when they were high school seniors. 211 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:18.960 Yeah, there were a lot of plot points, and I 212 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:21.080 will say, I'm glad you brought that up because that's 213 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:22.120 where I wanted to start. 214 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:25.840 Jesse, Okay, just go ahead. No, I don't know, because 215 00:09:25.879 --> 00:09:27.399 I was going to ruin something, So you go. 216 00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:30.600 Ahead, Jesse Eisenberg stick. I think once you hit a 217 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:34.080 certain age, is no longer acceptable. You know what's funny? Okay, 218 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:34.799 I have to interrupt. 219 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:39.240 I was watching Social Network, but he was just so 220 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:43.360 annoying and you know, and I'm like, God, this guy 221 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:46.320 is so good at that, So maybe his shtick has 222 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:49.039 reached its limit for you give me more. Really, I 223 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:51.879 like it. Yeah, I like how he plays this arrogant 224 00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:53.919 the guy who's super arrogant. 225 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:54.240 But shouldn't be. 226 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:57.519 Yeah, and then he has nailed that, and it's it's 227 00:09:57.559 --> 00:10:00.720 different because I think in what was movie he did 228 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:05.039 with Kieran Culkin that Kieran Culkin won the Academy Award 229 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:08.080 for Best Supporting Actor, it's like two cousins on a 230 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:11.200 trip to Europe or whatever. I can't remember what it's called. 231 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:13.840 Besides the point, but I thought his character is very 232 00:10:14.679 --> 00:10:17.679 unlike what he did now you see me. I think 233 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:20.080 Zombielan he plays a different type of character. 234 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:21.480 I disagree. 235 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:25.639 I think in the first Zombielant and I think in 236 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:29.080 uh was it called Adventureland that he Yeah, I think 237 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:31.559 he was a totally different character that he played. You know, 238 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:35.320 So I think that he there. He's not like he's 239 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:38.240 getting type cast because I still think he has a 240 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:40.639 wider range, but you clearly do. 241 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:43.679 I feel like he is the social network and everything 242 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:46.360 he does. When he's Lex Luthor, he's Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah, 243 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:49.399 that's true. When he's Atlas, he's Mark Zuckerberg. When he 244 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:52.840 excuse me, he's yeah, Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah. When he's Zombielan, 245 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:55.440 he's Mark Zuckerberg. It's just a very and maybe it's 246 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:57.320 one of those things like maybe hitting a little too 247 00:10:57.360 --> 00:10:59.960 close to home, because that was the trajectory I was 248 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:01.720 on in my early twenties. I mean you, we just 249 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:04.200 joked about how cynical I am, Like I have that element. 250 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:06.720 I'm a quick witted person. I'm a smart ass at times, 251 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:09.639 but I've reined it in because it's only cute up 252 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:11.320 to a certain point. I'm pushing forty. 253 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:13.000 What did you identify with in this movie? 254 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:17.159 Oh, without a doubt, I was the uh and I 255 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:19.919 even had a reason why and why am I blanking on? 256 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:22.840 But it's it's Bosco. I was Bosco in this and 257 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:25.919 I even had a very distinct reasons of similar heights 258 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:28.639 and I can't remember. He's a very frame. He doesn't 259 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:30.399 have good posture. I don't have good posture. 260 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:33.919 I think I don't like the posture and the frame thing. 261 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:37.159 I just think like it's because you guys are so tall. 262 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:40.600 Maybe it's just normal to like communicate with other people, 263 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:42.759 you have to hunch down a little bit. And that's 264 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:46.279 the Yeah. I think if you, if you lived in 265 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:49.799 in the land of the Amazons, you'd have fantastic posture 266 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:51.639 and quite frankly, what are your six four? Yeah, you'd 267 00:11:51.639 --> 00:11:54.399 probably be six seven, you know that's seven. 268 00:11:54.679 --> 00:12:00.279 Yeah, but no ah, God, And like I would, this 269 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:01.759 is what I always say to you. I wish I 270 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:03.600 wrote stuff down when I was in there, because I 271 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:06.679 even walked out of there like, oh, that's literally a 272 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:09.120 ben thing to say, Like I've never related. This might 273 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:11.679 be the most I've related to a character in one 274 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:13.879 of these kind of things. But it hit very close 275 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:16.639 to home a lot, a lot of the messaging that 276 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:20.679 that he had here. But but s Eisenberg. I have 277 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:24.279 just always found I don't believe in zodiac signs, but 278 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:27.879 if they're real, whatever our zodiacs are, just don't gel 279 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:30.279 Because there's something about Eisenberg that I'm like. 280 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:32.960 You know, I'm sure it's not just you. Yeah, And 281 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:36.279 he plays into that in this film, Yeah, like he 282 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:37.279 is supposed to. 283 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:39.879 Be by the way he gets me to laugh. I 284 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:42.639 don't want to sound like it's an off putting character. 285 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:46.000 I'm just saying it's been the same thing for twenty years, Doug, Right, 286 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:48.639 That's what I'm saying. But go ahead, I apologize. 287 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:50.799 No, that's that's all right, because I think that he 288 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:54.480 has to and I would I would contend that he 289 00:12:54.600 --> 00:13:02.519 has never played up the the jerk, mean magician that 290 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:04.639 is full of himself more so than he did in 291 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:07.720 this one. The second one he had a redeeming quality, 292 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:09.799 didn't he save Mark Ruffalo? 293 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:10.120 Yeah? 294 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:13.360 Second one? Yeah, so there was a selflessness there, there's 295 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:17.679 some vulnerability. He kind of like got everybody together at 296 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:19.240 the end of the second one when it was them 297 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:21.679 against Harry Potter and Michael Kine. 298 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:21.919 Right. 299 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:27.559 Yeah, So I do think that this one the character 300 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:28.399 has played differently. 301 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:28.720 Now. 302 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:32.200 Is that because you had three new magicians, right, and 303 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:34.960 there was less elbow room for him to kind of 304 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:40.039 have sort of like a redeeming arc. 305 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:44.039 I don't know, or would it have been cannibalizing because 306 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:47.240 I'll be real. Bosco LeRoy's character, I think is very 307 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:51.080 sim not in a style but in attitude. I think 308 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:54.039 they're very similar types, like you know, a little too 309 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:56.399 big for their breches. They don't think they needed, like 310 00:13:56.480 --> 00:13:57.480 it would have been redundant. 311 00:13:57.519 --> 00:13:59.000 You know what's funny is like you can kind of 312 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:02.120 match up, yes, like the the new magicians with the 313 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:04.440 old ones or whatever, Like you had what was what 314 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:06.120 was the woman's name, June or something? 315 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:09.399 I can't I have it up here? Yeah, June Rube Claire, Yeah. 316 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:11.519 June Rouclaire, which is another weird name. Why do they 317 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:15.240 pick such weird Bosco Leroy yeah yeah, but she was 318 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:18.639 like the Dave Franco jack that. 319 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:21.080 Was so similar that they could have killed Dave Franco 320 00:14:21.159 --> 00:14:22.799 in the first five minutes for like a little bit 321 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:23.440 more stakes. 322 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:26.039 But they can't do that because they already killed them 323 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:29.320 off in the first one. Oh I forgot, I remember, Yeah, 324 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:30.720 so you can't. You can't do that again. 325 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:33.759 But it was so redundant their characters, like to the 326 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:35.639 point where they literally make a joke about it. 327 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:38.279 But I think that was the idea, is like, oh 328 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:41.639 you got your lock picker, look at the New Age 329 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:44.559 one that like, you know, so so those two and 330 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:48.080 then I think, uh, I can't remember the guy's name, 331 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:53.559 the actor's name, but Bosco Leroy, dominic dominiccessa thank you. 332 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:58.399 Those two him and Isberg to me like matched up whatever. 333 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:03.720 And then you had Justice Smith, who I think was 334 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:06.480 sort of like a brand new like he wasn't he 335 00:15:06.519 --> 00:15:10.559 obviously wasn't Merret McKinney, and he was not Isla Fisher, 336 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:13.759 although they had a scene together, didn't they they did? 337 00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:16.320 But to be frank Man without giving too much away. 338 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:18.360 I think they're kind of setting up for him to 339 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:22.720 be the Eisenberg of the group, even though Leroy shares 340 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:25.679 more of those traits in terms of what he actually 341 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:27.679 means to the group. They even had them say the 342 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:28.440 same catch frack. 343 00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:31.919 I'm going to move past that because I don't think 344 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:35.639 it's worth talking about for the purposes of this podcast. Yeah, 345 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:40.039 but the introduction, the first scene got me. Yeah, it 346 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:45.039 was well like kind of a magic trick by the 347 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:49.399 director and the screenwriter all in its own fooled me. Yeah, 348 00:15:49.559 --> 00:15:54.279 totally absolutely, and then it set me up. I'm like, okay, like, yeah, 349 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:55.000 we're in it now. 350 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:58.360 Every scene, the Diamond High scene wonderful, Like, honestly, I 351 00:15:58.399 --> 00:15:59.919 wish there were more of it, like those are You 352 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:01.360 said you like the parts and they ruined it and 353 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:03.559 I called you a Cretan. It really is the best part. 354 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:06.759 What what they oh no, no, no, where they show you. 355 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:08.759 How Yeah, where they ruin it is what that's called. 356 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:09.759 So I'm not a Cretan. 357 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:11.960 Yeah, I mean, if you want people to ruin magic 358 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:13.320 tricks are kind of a Cretan. Trust me. 359 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:15.200 It was a diamond heist. Okay, I want to know 360 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:18.879 how they pulled it off. It's like it's like Ocean's 361 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:21.480 eleven not showing you how they robbed three different. 362 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:23.360 Well, no, because they're not magicians. They're robbers. This is 363 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:26.360 different the magicians. You shouldn't ruin the trick. So it's 364 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:29.759 a different it's a different component here, but specifically the 365 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:32.399 diamondized one, Like I was like, ah, this is gonna 366 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:34.159 be a good movie. Like that. That was when I 367 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:36.679 really kind of bought into what was going on because 368 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:41.039 I couldn't help. Are you familiar with honest trailers? Yeah, okay, 369 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:43.679 they did an honest trailer for it always comes back 370 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:46.679 to Marvel. They did one for Age of Ultron, and 371 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:48.879 at the very end they like, you know, they do 372 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:51.240 starring and they do all the jokes with all the 373 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:53.600 different names, and the last thing they do is and 374 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:57.639 the New Avengers, and it was Falcon and Scarlet Witch 375 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:01.759 and Vision and and and down Cheetah one blanking on 376 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:04.200 his name machine, Yeah, war machine, And then the voice 377 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:08.359 for aunut trailers goes yay, and like I remember feeling 378 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:10.559 the same way when it happened, And now I love 379 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:13.039 all those characters ten years later, like they all have 380 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:16.079 their backstories, but at the time, I couldn't help, but 381 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:19.200 reminisce to that when I was meeting all these new characters, 382 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:19.880 and that at. 383 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:21.880 The end of Age Ultron. Yeah, I thought that was 384 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:22.400 the end of. 385 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:25.880 Uh, it's it's the end of Age all and the 386 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:28.799 Civil War is with Tony Sank when stan Lee rip 387 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:30.480 drops and they like have the cell phone. 388 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:34.160 Yeah, but then but then remember Captain America and Scarlet 389 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:37.720 not Scarlet Witch, Black Widow come in and they see 390 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:38.759 Scarlet Witch and. 391 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:41.160 What that's there? You're conflating that I am. I am 392 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:43.160 one hundred you're you're wrong. I would actually bet my 393 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:44.839 house on it. You're one hundred percent wrong. 394 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:49.240 I can't. I can't do that. But we're talking about 395 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:49.880 the same scene. 396 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:51.759 Yeah, Yeah, that's the end of Age of Ultron. 397 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:54.279 And then and then Chris Evans goes Avengers and then 398 00:17:54.279 --> 00:17:54.640 it cuts. 399 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:57.039 Yeah, that's the end of Yeah, you're telling me that 400 00:17:57.079 --> 00:17:59.279 was the end. I swear to God that we'll look 401 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:01.039