Speaker 1: I didn't think about it something.
Speaker 2: I have nothing. I have absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1: You know, Balky, when I was when I was in
Speaker 1: the first grade, I actually had a magic show. I
Speaker 1: did it.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I had a magic show that I did
Speaker 1: in front of the entire My elementary school was kindergarten
Speaker 1: through sixth grade. In the last day of school, we
Speaker 1: do a talent show and I had a magic act,
Speaker 1: the Magnificent Bend. I had seven or eight magic tricks
Speaker 1: that I planned and I actually learned these just but
Speaker 1: it was before the internet, Like I bought like a
Speaker 1: pack of tricks and then it just comes with instructions
Speaker 1: and all that. And I pulled a rabbit out of
Speaker 1: a hat. I had a die that I could predict
Speaker 1: what if you rolled a six. I basically I set
Speaker 1: it up so that it always added up to seven,
Speaker 1: and then I predicted that it was gonna the addition
Speaker 1: was going to add up to seven no matter what
Speaker 1: you rolled. But I would be able to predict what
Speaker 1: you were doing there. And I had a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of things, and I'll be real. In first grade, I
Speaker 1: absolutely knocked it out of the park, Like I killed
Speaker 1: it into the planet. I was going to be David
Speaker 1: Blaine before David Blaine was a thing in second grade.
Speaker 1: Katie Kramer, I'll out her first and last name, Katie Kramer.
Speaker 2: I'm sure she's a big listener to this.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, That's why I feel comfortable doing it. She outed
Speaker 1: how I had a secret compartment in the hat for
Speaker 1: the rabbit before what a jerk? Tell me about it?
Speaker 1: And I was doing it in second grade as I was,
Speaker 1: I was maneuvering. Oh, I was devastated. I still went
Speaker 1: on and did the show because I was a trooper
Speaker 1: after that. But that was my swan song. That was
Speaker 1: the end of it there. And so when we see
Speaker 1: movies like now you see Me three, Now you three
Speaker 1: Me if you will, it brings me. It harkens back
Speaker 1: to that era of my life where I really do
Speaker 1: love magic and magicians, even though my future was cut
Speaker 1: dramatically short by a couple of jerks.
Speaker 2: So how did you Why did you give it up?
Speaker 2: Was it because of the of the of the people
Speaker 2: outing you and how you pulled it off?
Speaker 1: So I'll be honest. The pack that I had, I
Speaker 1: had maxed out all the tricks, like first and second grade,
Speaker 1: I basically just did the same show. It's not like
Speaker 1: I had adapted, and there really wasn't. I didn't grow
Speaker 1: up in a house. I'd be like I needed a
Speaker 1: whole new magic sets, like short of me learning new
Speaker 1: card tricks on my own. Again in a pre internet era,
Speaker 1: I really didn't have many means much means to go
Speaker 1: on with it from there. And you know how it is.
Speaker 1: They even make a comment in the movie I wanted
Speaker 1: to be a magician then I turned twelve. Do you
Speaker 1: know who that was that I can't place it?
Speaker 2: That is Andrew Santino, who is a stand up comic.
Speaker 2: He co hosts the Bad Friends podcast with Mad TV
Speaker 2: alum Bobby Lee, and he was also in the film
Speaker 2: Ricky Stinicky with John Cena.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it, but I've heard great things. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a funny guy. He's a very funny guy.
Speaker 2: And I knew he was in this film, and so
Speaker 2: then I see him in the beat. It's basically the
Speaker 2: first scene that Andrew Santino yet, and I'm like, Oh,
Speaker 2: I wonder if he's going to play a significant role
Speaker 2: in this man. No, No, it was basically a cameo.
Speaker 2: He was in that scene and that was it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he did. But so I've always had
Speaker 1: an affinity for these movies from that perspective because I
Speaker 1: did love magic like you can. Still my whimsy has
Speaker 1: been kind of beaten out of me over the decades.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a bit cynic. You guys hear it
Speaker 1: when you listen to me, whether it's here or on
Speaker 1: outside the box.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that a guy like you, who is so
Speaker 2: cynical about everything, like, was fascinated at one point by magic,
Speaker 2: all right, or maybe you weren't fascinated by it. You're like,
Speaker 2: I'm sick and tired of these people doing this stuff.
Speaker 2: I don't know how they're doing it. I'm gonna do
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna know how to do it. I'm gonna know,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna know how they're pulling it off. So you
Speaker 2: can still be cynical about it, be're like, ah, that's nothing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but I mean picture that dude, seven year
Speaker 1: old Ben, Like, there were probably ninety kids per grade
Speaker 1: in my school, So from kindergarten to sixth grade, that's
Speaker 1: seven grades. That's over six hundred kids that I'm standing
Speaker 1: up there pulling a rabbit out of a house.
Speaker 2: That's insane. That is insane, that's kind of nuts. I
Speaker 2: was thinking because like when we did I mean, I
Speaker 2: did a talent show and I went to University Wisconsin,
Speaker 2: Green Bay, which I think is just Green Bay.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I went there for one, not one.
Speaker 1: Semester, one full year, so two semesters, and I got
Speaker 1: to I'm watching it happen. Yeah, this is awful, fantastic,
Speaker 1: And I did.
Speaker 2: They had a freshman talent show, and I did like,
Speaker 2: you know, drama and school plays and performed stuff. I
Speaker 2: hosted some stuff in high school, like our big frolic
Speaker 2: whatever you know, skit things that we would do for
Speaker 2: homecoming and prom every year. I hosted those, and you know,
Speaker 2: I didn't mind being in front of people. But then
Speaker 2: when I was getting up for this Green Bay thing
Speaker 2: talent show, I did stand up comedy for about twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five minutes. But it's nothing that I wrote. It
Speaker 2: was Seinfeld stuff that I memorized. Oh and you know
Speaker 2: a lot of these people, like some of them knew Seinfeld.
Speaker 2: This was back in nineteen ninety eight, September of nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety eight. Sure, and this is right when right, I
Speaker 2: think right when it was going off the air. I
Speaker 2: think it just had gone off the air or whatever
Speaker 2: it was. And so know these college kids, not a
Speaker 2: lot of them are into side. So I think legitimately
Speaker 2: a lot of people thought I was really funny, and
Speaker 2: I wasn't the only I wasn't the only stand up comic.
Speaker 2: There was like two other guys, and I didn't think
Speaker 2: they were very good. I think one guy had one
Speaker 2: good joke and then that was it. But I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm just ripping off Jerry sign on this. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: crowd went crazy.
Speaker 1: Well, you're talking nineteen ninety eight. That's pre video, that's
Speaker 1: pre on demand, that's pre you know, seasoned DVDs, that's
Speaker 1: pre basically internet. I mean, I realized it existed, but
Speaker 1: not in any kind of meaningful way. So like unless
Speaker 1: you caught it live and memorized, Like, how did you
Speaker 1: even have it?
Speaker 2: Because I would videotape all the Seinfeld episodes. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I'd watch these like before I go to bed.
Speaker 1: Watching I did that with Simpsons.
Speaker 2: There you go, but the Seinfeld Show would have like
Speaker 2: him doing stand up comedy, you know, before ever, and
Speaker 2: so I remember these bits and just I watched so
Speaker 2: much of it. Ben it just came naturally. I didn't
Speaker 2: even think I had like a sheet, you know where
Speaker 2: you're like, okay, and I got to do this this
Speaker 2: like I don't even think. I just I had it
Speaker 2: down and you have the and what's with ID?
Speaker 1: I didn't. I did not do it.
Speaker 2: I did it in my own style because I felt
Speaker 2: like that would be too obvious, like what's to do?
Speaker 2: I couldn't do that. So and I don't think I
Speaker 2: think they had like three finalists or whatever, and I
Speaker 2: don't think I made made it, which sucked, and I
Speaker 2: had again again, you have people coming up to you
Speaker 2: after like I can't believe you weren't in the top
Speaker 2: three or whatever, and I'm like whatever, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: But then that night, like there was like a dance,
Speaker 2: like a freshman mixer or whatever, and so many people
Speaker 2: like came up and like wanted to talk to me
Speaker 2: and hang out. People I knew from Appleton that I
Speaker 2: mean that we knew of each other, but we didn't
Speaker 2: really really hang out. They were coming up to me
Speaker 2: and like, oh, now now you want to hang out anyway.
Speaker 2: So that's that was like the largest crowd that I
Speaker 2: ever did. But I was nineteen or eighteen at the time.
Speaker 2: Sure you're seven. Yeah, and like when my seventh grade
Speaker 2: was seven, when I was seven years old, first second
Speaker 2: grade classes, man, there's like, I don't know, ten people,
Speaker 2: fifteen people. I went to a small parochial school.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: When my my eighth grade class graduated, you know, and
Speaker 2: then you go to the high school in the next year.
Speaker 2: There were seven people in my eighth grade class seven
Speaker 2: one girl, one girl, six guys. That was it. So
Speaker 2: it's totally I mean, I can't even imagine being seven
Speaker 2: years old.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say something comes off as judgmental here,
Speaker 1: but but that sounds like you came up, you're very
Speaker 1: well adapted. That just seems like those are like the
Speaker 1: formative years and have such a small group of people
Speaker 1: that that's suit. And it's basically that you know, the
Speaker 1: same core group. That's yeah, like you're all friends or enemies.
Speaker 2: No, there wasn't an I don't think any, but there
Speaker 2: was there was no enemies going on there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, because you played sports, that's that's everybody played.
Speaker 1: Everybody played sports. All all six guys played sports, not
Speaker 1: all the sports. Some of them skipped soccer, some of
Speaker 1: them skipped you know, basketball or whatever. But all of
Speaker 1: them played that's what it does. But we've digressed. We've
Speaker 1: been off topic far long enough. Now you see me through,
Speaker 1: you don't, Now you don't. Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 2: Okay, here's the thing I said. I made up my
Speaker 2: mind that I was gonna like this movie, and I
Speaker 2: came through. Yeah, myself, I like this movie. Now, I
Speaker 2: will say there are certain things I'm like, really, yeah,
Speaker 2: a man, but it was it was light. It was light.
Speaker 2: It was very light where I was kind of like,
Speaker 2: I guess, you know whatever. I think it was much
Speaker 2: more formulaic into to the second movie than the first one.
Speaker 2: It reminded me of how formulaic Hangover Part two was
Speaker 2: to the original Hangos.
Speaker 1: I had a very similar thought, very similar thought. I
Speaker 1: was thinking American Pie, but the same idea because there's.
Speaker 2: The American Pie. Two was a little bit different. I think.
Speaker 1: Then, oh see, I think it hits all the exact
Speaker 1: same plot points, just the actual moment. Instead of getting
Speaker 1: you know, sticking your thing in a pie, you use
Speaker 1: the American you glue your hand through right principle.
Speaker 2: Well I get it, yeah, yes, but I think American
Speaker 2: Pie two was more. American Pie was like, these guys
Speaker 2: have known each other for forever. They have the very
Speaker 2: very friendly, familiar, familiar familiar relationships. Then they all go
Speaker 2: off to school, and then they come back and you
Speaker 2: can see that these guys have changed significantly in just
Speaker 2: a few months, you know, coming home for summer break
Speaker 2: or whatever. So to me that it was it was
Speaker 2: a little bit different for American Pie too, because I
Speaker 2: think these characters were significantly different than what they were
Speaker 2: when they were high school seniors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were a lot of plot points, and I
Speaker 1: will say, I'm glad you brought that up because that's
Speaker 1: where I wanted to start.
Speaker 2: Jesse, Okay, just go ahead. No, I don't know, because
Speaker 2: I was going to ruin something, So you go.
Speaker 1: Ahead, Jesse Eisenberg stick. I think once you hit a
Speaker 1: certain age, is no longer acceptable. You know what's funny? Okay,
Speaker 1: I have to interrupt.
Speaker 2: I was watching Social Network, but he was just so
Speaker 2: annoying and you know, and I'm like, God, this guy
Speaker 2: is so good at that, So maybe his shtick has
Speaker 2: reached its limit for you give me more. Really, I
Speaker 2: like it. Yeah, I like how he plays this arrogant
Speaker 2: the guy who's super arrogant.
Speaker 1: But shouldn't be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he has nailed that, and it's it's
Speaker 2: different because I think in what was movie he did
Speaker 2: with Kieran Culkin that Kieran Culkin won the Academy Award
Speaker 2: for Best Supporting Actor, it's like two cousins on a
Speaker 2: trip to Europe or whatever. I can't remember what it's called.
Speaker 2: Besides the point, but I thought his character is very
Speaker 2: unlike what he did now you see me. I think
Speaker 2: Zombielan he plays a different type of character.
Speaker 1: I disagree.
Speaker 2: I think in the first Zombielant and I think in
Speaker 2: uh was it called Adventureland that he Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: he was a totally different character that he played. You know,
Speaker 2: So I think that he there. He's not like he's
Speaker 2: getting type cast because I still think he has a
Speaker 2: wider range, but you clearly do.
Speaker 1: I feel like he is the social network and everything
Speaker 1: he does. When he's Lex Luthor, he's Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. When he's Atlas, he's Mark Zuckerberg. When he
Speaker 1: excuse me, he's yeah, Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah. When he's Zombielan,
Speaker 1: he's Mark Zuckerberg. It's just a very and maybe it's
Speaker 1: one of those things like maybe hitting a little too
Speaker 1: close to home, because that was the trajectory I was
Speaker 1: on in my early twenties. I mean you, we just
Speaker 1: joked about how cynical I am, Like I have that element.
Speaker 1: I'm a quick witted person. I'm a smart ass at times,
Speaker 1: but I've reined it in because it's only cute up
Speaker 1: to a certain point. I'm pushing forty.
Speaker 2: What did you identify with in this movie?
Speaker 1: Oh, without a doubt, I was the uh and I
Speaker 1: even had a reason why and why am I blanking on?
Speaker 1: But it's it's Bosco. I was Bosco in this and
Speaker 1: I even had a very distinct reasons of similar heights
Speaker 1: and I can't remember. He's a very frame. He doesn't
Speaker 1: have good posture. I don't have good posture.
Speaker 2: I think I don't like the posture and the frame thing.
Speaker 2: I just think like it's because you guys are so tall.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's just normal to like communicate with other people,
Speaker 2: you have to hunch down a little bit. And that's
Speaker 2: the Yeah. I think if you, if you lived in
Speaker 2: in the land of the Amazons, you'd have fantastic posture
Speaker 2: and quite frankly, what are your six four? Yeah, you'd
Speaker 2: probably be six seven, you know that's seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no ah, God, And like I would, this
Speaker 1: is what I always say to you. I wish I
Speaker 1: wrote stuff down when I was in there, because I
Speaker 1: even walked out of there like, oh, that's literally a
Speaker 1: ben thing to say, Like I've never related. This might
Speaker 1: be the most I've related to a character in one
Speaker 1: of these kind of things. But it hit very close
Speaker 1: to home a lot, a lot of the messaging that
Speaker 1: that he had here. But but s Eisenberg. I have
Speaker 1: just always found I don't believe in zodiac signs, but
Speaker 1: if they're real, whatever our zodiacs are, just don't gel
Speaker 1: Because there's something about Eisenberg that I'm like.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure it's not just you. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: he plays into that in this film, Yeah, like he
Speaker 2: is supposed to.
Speaker 1: Be by the way he gets me to laugh. I
Speaker 1: don't want to sound like it's an off putting character.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's been the same thing for twenty years, Doug, Right,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. But go ahead, I apologize.
Speaker 2: No, that's that's all right, because I think that he
Speaker 2: has to and I would I would contend that he
Speaker 2: has never played up the the jerk, mean magician that
Speaker 2: is full of himself more so than he did in
Speaker 2: this one. The second one he had a redeeming quality,
Speaker 2: didn't he save Mark Ruffalo?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Second one? Yeah, so there was a selflessness there, there's
Speaker 2: some vulnerability. He kind of like got everybody together at
Speaker 2: the end of the second one when it was them
Speaker 2: against Harry Potter and Michael Kine.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I do think that this one the character
Speaker 2: has played differently.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Is that because you had three new magicians, right, and
Speaker 2: there was less elbow room for him to kind of
Speaker 2: have sort of like a redeeming arc.
Speaker 1: I don't know, or would it have been cannibalizing because
Speaker 1: I'll be real. Bosco LeRoy's character, I think is very
Speaker 1: sim not in a style but in attitude. I think
Speaker 1: they're very similar types, like you know, a little too
Speaker 1: big for their breches. They don't think they needed, like
Speaker 1: it would have been redundant.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny is like you can kind of
Speaker 2: match up, yes, like the the new magicians with the
Speaker 2: old ones or whatever, Like you had what was what
Speaker 2: was the woman's name, June or something?
Speaker 1: I can't I have it up here? Yeah, June Rube Claire, Yeah.
Speaker 2: June Rouclaire, which is another weird name. Why do they
Speaker 2: pick such weird Bosco Leroy yeah yeah, but she was
Speaker 2: like the Dave Franco jack that.
Speaker 1: Was so similar that they could have killed Dave Franco
Speaker 1: in the first five minutes for like a little bit
Speaker 1: more stakes.
Speaker 2: But they can't do that because they already killed them
Speaker 2: off in the first one. Oh I forgot, I remember, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you can't. You can't do that again.
Speaker 1: But it was so redundant their characters, like to the
Speaker 1: point where they literally make a joke about it.
Speaker 2: But I think that was the idea, is like, oh
Speaker 2: you got your lock picker, look at the New Age
Speaker 2: one that like, you know, so so those two and
Speaker 2: then I think, uh, I can't remember the guy's name,
Speaker 2: the actor's name, but Bosco Leroy, dominic dominiccessa thank you.
Speaker 2: Those two him and Isberg to me like matched up whatever.
Speaker 2: And then you had Justice Smith, who I think was
Speaker 2: sort of like a brand new like he wasn't he
Speaker 2: obviously wasn't Merret McKinney, and he was not Isla Fisher,
Speaker 2: although they had a scene together, didn't they they did?
Speaker 1: But to be frank Man without giving too much away.
Speaker 1: I think they're kind of setting up for him to
Speaker 1: be the Eisenberg of the group, even though Leroy shares
Speaker 1: more of those traits in terms of what he actually
Speaker 1: means to the group. They even had them say the
Speaker 1: same catch frack.
Speaker 2: I'm going to move past that because I don't think
Speaker 2: it's worth talking about for the purposes of this podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but the introduction, the first scene got me. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was well like kind of a magic trick by the
Speaker 2: director and the screenwriter all in its own fooled me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: totally absolutely, and then it set me up. I'm like, okay, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're in it now.
Speaker 1: Every scene, the Diamond High scene wonderful, Like, honestly, I
Speaker 1: wish there were more of it, like those are You
Speaker 1: said you like the parts and they ruined it and
Speaker 1: I called you a Cretan. It really is the best part.
Speaker 2: What what they oh no, no, no, where they show you.
Speaker 1: How Yeah, where they ruin it is what that's called.
Speaker 2: So I'm not a Cretan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you want people to ruin magic
Speaker 1: tricks are kind of a Cretan. Trust me.
Speaker 2: It was a diamond heist. Okay, I want to know
Speaker 2: how they pulled it off. It's like it's like Ocean's
Speaker 2: eleven not showing you how they robbed three different.
Speaker 1: Well, no, because they're not magicians. They're robbers. This is
Speaker 1: different the magicians. You shouldn't ruin the trick. So it's
Speaker 1: a different it's a different component here, but specifically the
Speaker 1: diamondized one, Like I was like, ah, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a good movie. Like that. That was when I
Speaker 1: really kind of bought into what was going on because
Speaker 1: I couldn't help. Are you familiar with honest trailers? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: they did an honest trailer for it always comes back
Speaker 1: to Marvel. They did one for Age of Ultron, and
Speaker 1: at the very end they like, you know, they do
Speaker 1: starring and they do all the jokes with all the
Speaker 1: different names, and the last thing they do is and
Speaker 1: the New Avengers, and it was Falcon and Scarlet Witch
Speaker 1: and Vision and and and down Cheetah one blanking on
Speaker 1: his name machine, Yeah, war machine, And then the voice
Speaker 1: for aunut trailers goes yay, and like I remember feeling
Speaker 1: the same way when it happened, And now I love
Speaker 1: all those characters ten years later, like they all have
Speaker 1: their backstories, but at the time, I couldn't help, but
Speaker 1: reminisce to that when I was meeting all these new characters,
Speaker 1: and that at.
Speaker 2: The end of Age Ultron. Yeah, I thought that was
Speaker 2: the end of.
Speaker 1: Uh, it's it's the end of Age all and the
Speaker 1: Civil War is with Tony Sank when stan Lee rip
Speaker 1: drops and they like have the cell phone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then but then remember Captain America and Scarlet
Speaker 2: not Scarlet Witch, Black Widow come in and they see
Speaker 2: Scarlet Witch and.
Speaker 1: What that's there? You're conflating that I am. I am
Speaker 1: one hundred you're you're wrong. I would actually bet my
Speaker 1: house on it. You're one hundred percent wrong.
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't do that. But we're talking about
Speaker 2: the same scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's the end of Age of Ultron.
Speaker 2: And then and then Chris Evans goes Avengers and then
Speaker 2: it cuts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the end of Yeah, you're telling me that
Speaker 1: was the end. I swear to God that we'll look
Speaker 1: it up after this is over. Remind me of looking
Speaker 1: up of Tony right now, I'm one hundred to quote
Speaker 1: Marissa Tomay.
Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, you're right, yes, because Civil War
Speaker 2: ends with.
Speaker 1: Them breaking them out of jail. Thet Yes. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so that was Agel Trud.
Speaker 2: I almost just lost my house, thank God.
Speaker 1: But I say all that to say, anytime the old
Speaker 1: cast wasn't on the screen, I felt like I was
Speaker 1: looking at the new Avengers from Age of Ultron, and
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, and I'm sure if they did
Speaker 1: two more movies of these guys, I'd be into it more.
Speaker 1: But I just I just didn't get there in this movie.
Speaker 2: So what got me there? It was that scene which
Speaker 2: was kind of hokey, but I think it was put
Speaker 2: there for a purpose where there I can't remember how
Speaker 2: it starts, but it's all these guys, all these magicians
Speaker 2: pulling off these magic tricks like yeah, you know, like
Speaker 2: like rapid fire or whatever. And it was the old
Speaker 2: ones and the new ones, and the new ones are
Speaker 2: holding their own oh sure. And the other thing we
Speaker 2: should mention too is this movie came out are the
Speaker 2: second one came out nine years ago. The events of
Speaker 2: this movie are set ten years from when the last
Speaker 2: one ended. Yeah, okay, and without you know, spoiling a
Speaker 2: whole lot here, the four Horsemen are kind of not together, right,
Speaker 2: something happened. I'll let you watch it, but they're kind
Speaker 2: of not together, so they're a little out of practice.
Speaker 2: Now they're kind of doing stuff on their own, but
Speaker 2: they haven't had to team up with anybody, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not but it's not the same at all.
Speaker 1: And now you made me think I didn't relate to
Speaker 1: Boss Goo. It was Dave Franco, Jack Wilder. Yes, because
Speaker 1: I was sitting there, they all kind of in their
Speaker 1: own variation of it, sell out because they were Dave
Speaker 1: robot hood and they're doing those kind of things. And
Speaker 1: I was sitting there thinking back to me on the
Speaker 1: freaking picket lines and Occupy Wall Street and where life
Speaker 1: is today, and I'm like, ah, no, I get it, Jack,
Speaker 1: you gotta make a living. I keep doing it.
Speaker 2: He I mean, what was Daniel Atlas doing.
Speaker 1: I don't remember. He's the only one that it seems
Speaker 1: like he was just floating. Then he was the only
Speaker 1: one who sold out. Dave Franko was the only one
Speaker 1: that sold out. Mary McKinney was Harrelson's getting drunk on
Speaker 1: the akin.
Speaker 2: He's drinking himself to death.
Speaker 1: Yes he's depressed, right, but he's not No, but he's
Speaker 1: not fighting the good fight anymore.
Speaker 2: I guess Isla Fisher ends up selling out. She didn't
Speaker 2: sell out.
Speaker 1: She comes to suburban you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because she got she didn't want to do all this,
Speaker 2: you know, putting her life in danger in all this stuff.
Speaker 2: So she ends up becoming that's not a sellout. There's
Speaker 2: no sell out there. She gets married and has kids.
Speaker 1: That's not selling You find yourself reflecting on one battle
Speaker 1: after another when they were talking about that kind of
Speaker 1: stuff though, because that's kind of the inverse of that,
Speaker 1: those people that may be held onto it too long,
Speaker 1: and that was kind of the way.
Speaker 2: I didn't think about it then, but I'm thinking about
Speaker 2: it now.
Speaker 1: Their own version of just like, yeah, no, I'm gonna whatever.
Speaker 1: Not selling out is what I'm definitely not going to
Speaker 1: fight this fight anymore and I'm just gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: host outside the ball.
Speaker 2: But I think like selling out is the wrong term
Speaker 2: for it, too, because I think what happened that caused
Speaker 2: them to splinter would be like, you know what to
Speaker 2: help with this? This is sure, you know, and I
Speaker 2: get it. Although when Jack Wilder died in the first one,
Speaker 2: they didn't seem to bother him, did not seem to
Speaker 2: bother them.
Speaker 1: No, it didn't didn't all right.
Speaker 2: Speaking of death, there's a character in this film, and
Speaker 2: I'm not going to reveal who may or may not
Speaker 2: have died.
Speaker 1: I we should just say it.
Speaker 2: No, I don't want to say. I don't want to say,
Speaker 2: all right, may or may not have died. And then
Speaker 2: I think about this type of movie and the fact
Speaker 2: that we did not see a body a dead body, right.
Speaker 1: I had the same thought, But we did see a death.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: If we did, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised, because no one ever dies in
Speaker 1: these kind of movies. But like, it's not like it
Speaker 1: was the Hound when Aria Stark leaves him bleeding leaning
Speaker 1: up against the rock. When that happened, I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: that that's like the first time I ever guessed that
Speaker 1: somebody didn't die and was right? Was that?
Speaker 2: Walking walking dead rules unless person see him die, and
Speaker 2: especially in this kind of movie.
Speaker 1: So I feel like though, and also I can only
Speaker 1: say so much because you want to avoid spoiler. Well,
Speaker 1: let's just say that actor or actress or actress, in
Speaker 1: my humble opinion, was really showing his or her age.
Speaker 1: You might as well just say that. Well, because I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about this because it's Margan Freeman, and
Speaker 1: I think they had to kill him off because I
Speaker 1: don't want to this. It's his blasphemy because how do
Speaker 1: you say, like, I'm.
Speaker 2: Not gonna reveal who it was, but he was really
Speaker 2: showing his age.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well obviously, Well it could have been Woody Harrelson.
Speaker 1: It could have could it could be it could be.
Speaker 2: Marking the same thing. I was thinking the same thing
Speaker 2: watching this. I'm like, is he talking slower? He was
Speaker 2: moving slower? He was He did not seem like it all.
Speaker 1: It felt like he was acting worse like and that's
Speaker 1: blasphemy because he's a phenomenal actor.
Speaker 2: I just I just feel like he can't talk like
Speaker 2: normal and.
Speaker 1: He's not the same anymore. And you could feel it.
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, oh, so they gave him an out.
Speaker 1: That's what it's kind of the way I look at
Speaker 1: And we we do.
Speaker 2: Know a fourth one underway, yes, and whether he's in
Speaker 2: that or not, we don't know. Michael Kane retired from acting,
Speaker 2: so we knew he wasn't going to be.
Speaker 1: In the side exactly, and I didn't know he retired
Speaker 1: by the way you both got yesterday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he retired from acting because he only wanted He
Speaker 2: didn't want to do like supporting stuff anymore. He wanted
Speaker 2: to be a lead. And he's like, why am I
Speaker 2: going to try to be? Who wants to hire me
Speaker 2: as a lead actor? When you have all these younger,
Speaker 2: good looking guys. So to help with that, I'm just
Speaker 2: hanging it up. That's basically why he I don't remember
Speaker 2: what his last film was, sure anyway, it could have
Speaker 2: been Dark Knight Rises. Actually yeah, So so getting back
Speaker 2: to More, I would imagine that regardless of if he
Speaker 2: is retired or if he is not acting, or god forbid,
Speaker 2: if he dies before the fourth one, there will be
Speaker 2: some sort of at minimum a cameo. Now, he wasn't
Speaker 2: a huge part of this film, in fact, like two
Speaker 2: scenes maybe one scene really, so I would imagine that
Speaker 2: we will see appearance in the fourth one. Whether that's
Speaker 2: posthumous or or a I or CGI.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it definitely was sticking out to me,
Speaker 1: and it was it was but to.
Speaker 2: Me when I saw that, I was like, Okay, well
Speaker 2: I don't think he's dead, but certainly I could see them.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, real life circumstances kind of like.
Speaker 2: Well, it's sort of like Isla Fisher. She wasn't in
Speaker 2: the second one because she was pregnant at the time
Speaker 2: and couldn't couldn't, couldn't do it, and they just made
Speaker 2: a convenient.
Speaker 1: Excuse for that.
Speaker 2: Well, now you have the excuse actually written into cannon
Speaker 2: for this for this third d.
Speaker 1: And I was so my dad has always called I
Speaker 1: don't know if this was his creation or if he
Speaker 1: heard it somewhere else, but he always calls Morgan Freeman
Speaker 1: baby pigeon, because baby pigeon. Yeah, have you ever seen
Speaker 1: a baby pigeon?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a young Morgan Freeman? Now? Is
Speaker 1: it the radio clip?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, radio clip like he.
Speaker 1: Did radio in the seventies and he's got a big
Speaker 1: afro and knock and jive. It's great.
Speaker 2: But the mugshot photo in Shawshank Redemption, it was the
Speaker 2: only young Morgan Freeman.
Speaker 1: I okay, But like, how old is is Shaw Shank Redemption?
Speaker 1: It's like nineteen ninety right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but remember they that photograph, At least I think
Speaker 2: it was an old photograph of him.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying is he looked like he was
Speaker 1: old in that movie. Thirty.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm not saying, yes, he looked old
Speaker 2: in that movie, obviously, but I'm saying in the photo
Speaker 2: he looked very No.
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. You're talking about you can
Speaker 1: tell there is a there. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: about a thirty year difference. I think he's aged very nicely.
Speaker 1: But yes, he did look old in that How old
Speaker 1: is he in real life? I think eighty one, I believe.
Speaker 1: I looked it up. It's just like Ian McClellan and
Speaker 1: Patrick Stewart in X Men. I saw that one in
Speaker 1: two thousand, like, these guys are old as hell, and
Speaker 1: then you see him today and you're like, wait, how
Speaker 1: old were they? Right, that's a good point. Morgan Freeman's
Speaker 1: the same way with this, But this it really stuck
Speaker 1: out and it was borderline distracting, just because I know
Speaker 1: how competent he is as an actor. Yeah, but that was, however,
Speaker 1: the best scene in the movie, in my humble opinion,
Speaker 1: the fights. The fight scene in like the House of
Speaker 1: Tricks when they're fighting. You guys listening, you know the
Speaker 1: kind of room I'm talking about where it's like the
Speaker 1: spinning room. No, no, no, the dimensions are thrown off
Speaker 1: that one person super tall, one person super short. I
Speaker 1: was sitting there watching it happen. I'm like, I can't
Speaker 1: believe this has never been done in a movie before.
Speaker 1: And I'm so happy I'm watching it right now because
Speaker 1: this is such a good idea.
Speaker 2: They went to. They went to all out in UH,
Speaker 2: utilizing every portion of magic and optical illusions that that
Speaker 2: we have been blessed with UH in the world in
Speaker 2: the history of magic. They and that was like the
Speaker 2: whole mansion in Yeah, it was a Versailles or Paris
Speaker 2: where it was, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I believe it was in France. I don't remember France somewhere,
Speaker 1: but they had Houdini strait jacket, they had a bunch
Speaker 1: of other magicians you've never heard of, and all the
Speaker 1: special tricks, and they had one of those optical At
Speaker 1: one point, they slide a piano at someone and it
Speaker 1: looks like they slide a child sized piano, but it's
Speaker 1: a real size, and you're sitting there knowing it's a trick,
Speaker 1: you know, it's an illusion in your mind, cannot grasp
Speaker 1: what you're looking at, and it was just it was
Speaker 1: a very awesome scene.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna retract what I said. No, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to it. Maybe it was the best scene in the movie.
Speaker 2: It was not my favorite scene in the movie, but
Speaker 2: it was very cool. Yeah, that they were and that
Speaker 2: was where they did That was the mansion where they
Speaker 2: did the rapid fire magic tricks, right, yes, yeah, so
Speaker 2: that whole portion for the magic geeks out there, like,
Speaker 2: oh this is great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, slid a hand if you're into it. There's times
Speaker 1: where you don't know if they're actually doing the tricks
Speaker 1: or if it's cgi because like that's like how good
Speaker 1: they've gotten. It's some of those tricks. It's like Paul
Speaker 1: Rudd and a man learning how to do the close
Speaker 1: up magic. Like it's the kind of movie that'll make
Speaker 1: you walk out of there being like, I'm gonna learn
Speaker 1: how to do this stuff because that's awesome.
Speaker 2: There was like my buddy the first when the first
Speaker 2: Fast and Furious came out, he went and saw that
Speaker 2: movie and then he came we came out, We're like, oh,
Speaker 2: it was awesome, you know, or whatever, and then we
Speaker 2: get into his card. He's like gunning it through the
Speaker 2: parking lot, you know, like just like totally inspired of
Speaker 2: what he saw in the movie all right, play off
Speaker 2: the gas Let's this is not this is not movie,
Speaker 2: this is real life. And and I don't know how
Speaker 2: many people will like want to do magic based on this,
Speaker 2: like uh, you know, maybe younger people or whatever like
Speaker 2: oh I want to get into magic or whatever. But
Speaker 2: Andrew Andrew Santino said like at the start, like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I love magic, and then I turned twelve.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, exactly what I will say, A nine year
Speaker 1: old Ben would be in love with this movie.
Speaker 2: I thought my kids, like I tried to show them,
Speaker 2: like I tried. This is like when the first one
Speaker 2: came out, and it was like I was flipping through
Speaker 2: channels and was on, I'm trying to get my kids,
Speaker 2: who are you know, right around nine or nine, and
Speaker 2: I'm trying like, hey, magicians who are robbing banks with magic?
Speaker 2: And they're like, eh, like.
Speaker 1: What are you even my kids?
Speaker 2: How is this not?
Speaker 1: Like you what?
Speaker 2: What about a world that we live in where you
Speaker 2: could just use get really good at magic and then
Speaker 2: just rob banks and.
Speaker 1: Steal like you know what I mean? Yeah, it should
Speaker 1: be right up there, Alley. I wonder because like I
Speaker 1: hated Westerns growing up, and that's what my dad grew
Speaker 1: up on and I always wonder if he's like, why
Speaker 1: won't he watch this freaking John Wayne movie, like because
Speaker 1: it's boring and they're all the same, and like maybe
Speaker 1: maybe that's their attitude. Who they all knows that the
Speaker 1: youth today I got nothing. Yeah I got it. I
Speaker 1: don't either, but this I know. I would have loved
Speaker 1: it when I was younger, and I don't want it
Speaker 1: to sound like I didn't enjoy it now. It was.
Speaker 1: I described it that way on your show. It's dumb
Speaker 1: fun It is too fast and furious and gone in
Speaker 1: sixty seconds. This is that version of Ocean's eleven best
Speaker 1: performance of the movie. In my humble opinion, Rosamund Pike.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you what you thought of her accent,
Speaker 2: because she is British, is an English actress, and she
Speaker 2: had a South African accent.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, perhaps this is because I perhaps this is because
Speaker 2: I've watched District nine way too much. Yeah, but he
Speaker 2: reminded me, and I can't remember the actor's name.
Speaker 1: He was in the eight team as well. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know the guy you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's from South Africa. Yeah, and he played a
Speaker 2: South African in District nine.
Speaker 1: It's all a metaphor for apartheid in South movie.
Speaker 2: Exactly, yes, with the prawn, and yeah, how have they
Speaker 2: never made a District ten? That would have been a
Speaker 2: great one.
Speaker 1: I know that there were rumors about Oh really, yeah
Speaker 1: it happened. Yeah, that was phenomenal.
Speaker 2: So every time she would talk I couldn't take her
Speaker 2: seriously because I'm thinking because the character he played in
Speaker 2: District nine was kind of like this cartoonish, not cartoonish,
Speaker 2: but he was out of his depth, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, And and so I hear Rosamund Pike and
Speaker 2: at least Harry Danny Radcliffe when he was the villain, like,
Speaker 2: I took him seriously.
Speaker 3: But when you're talking like this, all it's one way,
Speaker 3: your voice is going up, and everything seems so sugary
Speaker 3: and sweet and nothing bad of it happens. And I'm
Speaker 3: rich and I steal and and my my family is
Speaker 3: descended from Nazis.
Speaker 2: You know it just ah, I was, I was, I
Speaker 2: was out. I was out on her.
Speaker 1: Really, I just.
Speaker 2: There's there's a certain part of me that was like, okay, well,
Speaker 2: when when she's operating like this, talking like this, really
Speaker 2: not taking these magicians very seriously until she realized she
Speaker 2: has to and then there's certain there's a certain point
Speaker 2: of like, oh, how diabolical is she going to be?
Speaker 1: To me? She wasn't.
Speaker 2: She was She was like a bad but not a
Speaker 2: big bad. She was a villain, but she wasn't a
Speaker 2: super villain and to me just did not really have
Speaker 2: She didn't represent strength at all. To me in this movie,
Speaker 2: there was no there was no strength. It was the
Speaker 2: choices that she made. Was was from a week and
Speaker 2: panicked state that that she was in And that's not
Speaker 2: a villain.
Speaker 1: That's I don't that's see, that's it. I didn't get Radcliffe, okay.
Speaker 2: Was operating from a position of power the whole start
Speaker 2: until the very end. If you go back to the
Speaker 2: first one, and I don't really know who the villain
Speaker 2: is in the first one. In the first now you
Speaker 2: see the FBI, I don't guess. Technically, yeah, Morgan Freeman, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess Morgan Freeman. I but but to me, and
Speaker 2: let's let's use Morgan Freeman as an example. He was
Speaker 2: strong the whole way.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 2: He even brought it up to Mark Ruffalo's character is like,
Speaker 2: like you know you're you're two steps behind her, I'm
Speaker 2: two steps in front of you, and then you find
Speaker 2: out at the end, well, I was actually Dylan Rhodes.
Speaker 2: It was two steps in front of him the whole time.
Speaker 2: But that's not the way the character is portrayed for
Speaker 2: the majority of the movie. That's he was. He was strong,
Speaker 2: he was powerful. He didn't know what this guy is
Speaker 2: capable of, right, same thing with Radcliffe and Michael Kane
Speaker 2: and then this one.
Speaker 1: It was just kind of like, you know, I did.
Speaker 1: I didn't consider it from that lens, and I actually
Speaker 1: appreciate that input. And you're kind of changing my mind
Speaker 1: because I'll be real anytime I see this actress, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like seeing King Joffrey in the movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as soon as I see King Joffrey in the movie,
Speaker 1: like does he could be the nicest guy and then
Speaker 1: be like, ah, that son of a bit. You know
Speaker 1: he retired from acting. I didn't know he is. Uh.
Speaker 2: I can't remember his name, but the dude who played
Speaker 2: King Joffrey in Game of Thrones retired from acting and
Speaker 2: he is teaching drama somewhere acting.
Speaker 1: I bet all the students hate them because of that role.
Speaker 2: Could be and probably went out on the bottom.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but the.
Speaker 2: Rosamund Pike, I see her, I'm like, uh, goner.
Speaker 1: Thank you. And she's evil as crap in that movie,
Speaker 1: as is everybody, not exclusively her, Like everyone's a bad
Speaker 1: person in that movie, but she's a unique kind of
Speaker 1: bad in that movie. And that's a ten year old flick.
Speaker 1: Eleven years old, and I still see her. I care
Speaker 1: a lot. It's a Netflix movie with Tyrian in it.
Speaker 1: Peter dinklic that if you haven't seen that, she essentially
Speaker 1: plays someone that robs people that are going into hospice care,
Speaker 1: that she takes advantage of Alzheimer's patients.
Speaker 2: It's got to be her look.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's the like the look
Speaker 2: like she can't be this heroin She's got to be
Speaker 2: this fem fittale.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so her previous roles and I guess what's
Speaker 1: stuck out to me And maybe it's a little bit
Speaker 1: of my own imagination going with it a little bit.
Speaker 1: On this villains in South Africa they run and they
Speaker 1: run a diamond mind. I think there could have been
Speaker 1: a very very strong urge to have the villain mirror
Speaker 1: Elon Musk, especially in this current climate. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think it was a good move to go distinctly away
Speaker 1: from that image because there is a polarizing element to
Speaker 1: that there. And I think she was unique in her way.
Speaker 1: But you bring up a ton of good points that
Speaker 1: I think are worth acknowledging that. I mean, she gets
Speaker 1: a call from a deep voiced phone call early on
Speaker 1: that's screwing with her, and from that moment on you
Speaker 1: don't find out who that person is for most of
Speaker 1: the movie. So there's a whole other element screwing with
Speaker 1: this girl beyond the horseman that she is always trying
Speaker 1: to gather her ground. And yeah, I never thought about
Speaker 1: it until you high actively she acted. Her character acted
Speaker 1: from a very reactive sense of state of mind rather
Speaker 1: than being the one controlling everything. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, and I'll say this about Rosamund Pike. I don't
Speaker 2: know a whole lot else of the stuff that she's
Speaker 2: been in. In fact, I was thinking about this after
Speaker 2: the movie. I'm like, God, you know, the only thing
Speaker 2: off the top of my head I can think of
Speaker 2: that she was and she wasn't even a big part
Speaker 2: of this movie. And it's a great movie.
Speaker 1: Ben.
Speaker 2: If you've never seen it, you probably have Ryan Gosling
Speaker 2: Anthony Hopkins Fracture.
Speaker 1: Hell, yeah she was.
Speaker 2: She was his boss, slash like lover or whatever in
Speaker 2: that movie and that one. That is when I'll go
Speaker 2: back on YouTube and watch the final Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have it on DVD. I liked that.
Speaker 2: That was a good flame.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was in a Jack Reacher. She was a
Speaker 1: I'm sure if I thought about it long enough other ones.
Speaker 1: Was she in a Bond?
Speaker 2: It seems like she should have been. Yeah, right to
Speaker 2: one of the Bond girls that like dies early because
Speaker 2: she's trying to screw with James Bond, you know. But no,
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't remember her, and she might have
Speaker 2: been I don't know. Okay, So that was Rosamund Pike.
Speaker 2: Let's get into the not the twist at the end.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the I don't want to say cameo,
Speaker 2: but let's talk about the appearance by the character. Yeah,
Speaker 2: about halfway through the movie, you know what I'm talking
Speaker 2: about at the police station. Did you see it coming?
Speaker 2: Were you surprised when that character revealed his or herself.
Speaker 1: To a certain extent, Yes, but I was more so
Speaker 1: caught off guard as to like why they didn't just
Speaker 1: start with that person in the mid.
Speaker 2: I think they tried to explain that they didn't do
Speaker 2: a good enough job. Then they didn't. I don't want
Speaker 2: to get into it on air. Yeah, we've ruined this
Speaker 2: movie enough for people with the Morgan Freeman thing.
Speaker 1: Oh please.
Speaker 2: So I kind of like, because I was researching this
Speaker 2: movie heavily, not even right before I saw it. I've
Speaker 2: been researching this for months. I saw a thing on YouTube.
Speaker 2: It was like a YouTube short of Jesse Eisenberg in
Speaker 2: a tuxedo congratulating everybody on the rap for the filming
Speaker 2: of Now You See Me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, how did this movie start filming? I didn't
Speaker 1: even know about it.
Speaker 2: So then at that point, I'm like, I'm diving down
Speaker 2: the rabbit hole without a helmet.
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go as deep as I can. And I
Speaker 2: found out different stories on this character's involvement in this movie.
Speaker 2: That he or she was going to be in it,
Speaker 2: that he or she was not going to be in it, yeah,
Speaker 2: that he or she would have a small role, that
Speaker 2: she he or she would have a large role. So
Speaker 2: as it's getting closer and and they they reveal this person,
Speaker 2: this drunken person, and I'm like, okay, I know what's
Speaker 2: going on here. Oh sure, And and then at that
Speaker 2: point I realized who it was. And it wasn't a
Speaker 2: big reveal to me.
Speaker 1: What's funny is I thought it was Bosco because he's
Speaker 1: so good at impressions. But but look, how.
Speaker 2: Look how tiny Bosco is like seven feet tall that
Speaker 2: that person was not very tall.
Speaker 1: I say it was a smart guess, Okay, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I was more so caught off guard about why that
Speaker 1: person wasn't just like involved from the start.
Speaker 2: But well here here she was also upset that he
Speaker 2: or she was not Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: They have that in the in the plot there as well.
Speaker 1: That that was an interesting one. That was that was enjoyable, But.
Speaker 2: There were some I would say that is not the
Speaker 2: only example of lazy, convenient dus Mockina writing that we
Speaker 2: saw in this film.
Speaker 1: Oh no, and these these movies are dependent on that,
Speaker 1: and for better or worse, they're dependent on that. I
Speaker 1: just accept, like, okay, yeah, it doesn't bother me at
Speaker 1: all in these kind of relies. I'm telling you, this
Speaker 1: was an hour and fifty two minutes and at no point,
Speaker 1: was I ever hour fifty two? Yeah, I did not
Speaker 1: think it was that long, That's what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: there were times where I would check my phone for
Speaker 1: the time, because again, my Tuesdays are pretty long, and
Speaker 1: I'd be like, son of a bitch, thirty minutes when
Speaker 1: by since the last time I checked the phone, I
Speaker 1: was expecting this to say ten minutes like it, it
Speaker 1: really does. It flies by. There's contrivances, there's there's moments
Speaker 1: who you're like, well, wait a minute, and then you
Speaker 1: just move on there.
Speaker 2: There's one part of this movie where one of the
Speaker 2: magicians is kidnapped, and I just thought it was like
Speaker 2: the middle part of the movie, and I'm like, oh no,
Speaker 2: this is this is setting up for the end here.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, like I thought that was like
Speaker 2: I thought it was only like halfway through, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this really has been fun okay.
Speaker 1: And these do train your brain. It's it's similar to
Speaker 1: Naked Gun how it starts off super funny, but by
Speaker 1: the end of the movie you can kind of tell
Speaker 1: the joke pattern. Like you you hear the setup and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I kind of see the punch. There
Speaker 1: is a moment where I'm not going to get into
Speaker 1: why it matters, but they show you a Roseman Pike
Speaker 1: driving in her car and it's almost like they hit
Speaker 1: a speed bump, but she just goes, oh, and that
Speaker 1: was all that happened. I'm like, well, that meant something.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it means, but that definitely meant something.
Speaker 1: I was with you on that, and sure enough, it
Speaker 1: meant something. And like they train your brain to, by
Speaker 1: the end of the movie, you're like, oh, that meant something,
Speaker 1: ooh ooh, this is definitely on point.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even say that long that the There is
Speaker 2: a scene.
Speaker 1: I think I know what's on your top in the house, No,
Speaker 1: in the house with all the tricks, and they foreshadow
Speaker 1: what's coming later. Now, okay, what part is that. They're
Speaker 1: like going over all the different traps and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is the straight jacket, this is the bullet catch,
Speaker 1: this is this moment, and you're just like, I'm just like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I know what's coming next. Okay, was there a straight
Speaker 1: jacket thing?
Speaker 2: But okay, well whatever, I did think so I'll get
Speaker 2: to my point in a second. But the house thing,
Speaker 2: the portrait on the wall.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, really, nobody else thinks like this is
Speaker 2: just like like okay.
Speaker 1: So you just oh, that's impressive. See that was in
Speaker 1: one ear and out the other for me. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about? Yeah, I do, and that just happened.
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, that's fine. I was.
Speaker 2: Yeah at that point, I'm like, you guys are just
Speaker 2: like just like, okay, this is normal to you, like magicians,
Speaker 2: these people that are paid to fool and like, so
Speaker 2: that that was weird to me.
Speaker 1: Didn't set off any alarms. But I thought that was
Speaker 1: very bizarre. No, I didn't even know alarms.
Speaker 2: The one thing I was going to talk about is
Speaker 2: on the houseboat. Not a houseboat, it's just not like
Speaker 2: a barge or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sure, And they're all kind of like meeting each other
Speaker 2: for the first time after they escape the was that
Speaker 2: the heist, the diamond heist that they escape, and they're
Speaker 2: talking about Henley Isla Fisher's character and how she's married
Speaker 2: right m and they point out something that she's wearing
Speaker 2: right on Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, And I'm like
Speaker 2: that's important. Oh sure, you know, because we're talking, you know,
Speaker 2: you think about what the movie's about you think about
Speaker 2: like why would you, you know, focus in on that.
Speaker 2: That's kind of a bizarre thing. And then the line
Speaker 2: that Eisenberg had afterwards wasn't even that like quippie or anything. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: so that's that's There was a lot of like rough
Speaker 2: around the edges writing in this movie. Yes, and I
Speaker 2: don't want to lazy's probably not the right word, but
Speaker 2: just stuff that should have been smoothed out a little
Speaker 2: bit better. Yeah, and and to the point where I, Okay,
Speaker 2: this leads me into my next point. Let's talk about
Speaker 2: the end. Did you see? As I said, when I
Speaker 2: watched this, I did not see this coming. But I
Speaker 2: said after I was like, when it was going on, like,
Speaker 2: I bet Ben saw this coming? Did you see it coming?
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna answer this in a way, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to say before I even get into it that
Speaker 1: what I am describing is not what happens in the movie.
Speaker 1: But I'm just gonna allow my own conjecture as to
Speaker 1: how I got to where I got to. You talk
Speaker 1: about the lazy writing one of the or not lazy,
Speaker 1: but rough around the edges kind of writing. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a line early on in the movie where they say
Speaker 1: magic's not about what you see, it's about what you
Speaker 1: don't see, right, And they say that, and so I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there like, okay, I don't line. By the way,
Speaker 1: it was one of the first lines and it stuck
Speaker 1: out to me. I'm like, that is going to be
Speaker 1: the big rug pull, Like that's going to be the
Speaker 1: line and it's going to be somehow reminiscent, like that's
Speaker 1: what it was. So I'm sitting there, I'm like, what
Speaker 1: don't I see in the entire movie? You got a
Speaker 1: deep voice? We said this.
Speaker 2: I don't even remember this.
Speaker 1: It's like I think it's at last like as a
Speaker 1: voice over. Okay, as they're like setting up that first trick,
Speaker 1: and so I'm sitting there like, okay, what don't I see?
Speaker 1: Then you get the deep voice calls two Roseman Pike
Speaker 1: like kind of screwing with her, being like I know
Speaker 1: who you are and you need to turn this over X,
Speaker 1: Y and Z. So I'm sitting there and I am
Speaker 1: trying to tie the voice knew who Rosamund Pike was, yes,
Speaker 1: and like she's like he's like, I have this info
Speaker 1: on you, and I can sink your whole company if
Speaker 1: you don't do all the stuff that I want you
Speaker 1: to do. Yes. Yes. So I'm sitting there and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: clearly that person is going to be relevant to the plot.
Speaker 1: Clearly this is going to be the lynchpin.
Speaker 2: You know you Okay, I'm gonna interrupt you just for
Speaker 2: a second there. I I this is that. This is
Speaker 2: how I should have been actively watching it. That never
Speaker 2: crossed my mind. I knew there was something going on.
Speaker 2: I was much more invested into the Horseman. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I think that's that's the This goes back to the
Speaker 2: whole magician's credo of hey, look here, but really you
Speaker 2: should be looking here, Yes, exactly, And that's why it was.
Speaker 2: The phone calls were brief, Uh, there weren't. There weren't
Speaker 2: a ton of them. And I think it pushed me
Speaker 2: right to the limit of like where I didn't think
Speaker 2: I should be caring about that part. But obviously, you,
Speaker 2: being a more cynical, uh conditioned movie watcher, Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was pushed over your limit. He realized, Okay, there's something
Speaker 2: going on here.
Speaker 1: This is this is huge. I trained myself early on
Speaker 1: watching saw movies, like you realize those kind of that
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, well, wait a minute, dude, I predicted
Speaker 1: the end of Saw seven and Saw four, But that's
Speaker 1: another story entirely. That's okay.
Speaker 2: I could not do that, but I will say of
Speaker 2: your most impressive movie watching things that, now, if you
Speaker 2: would have predicted the end of the first Saw, we'd
Speaker 2: have a much wider Oh.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I'm not even gonna get it. I will say.
Speaker 1: I didn't say it out loud, but I was sitting
Speaker 1: there thinking, I'm like, what if he's just the guy
Speaker 1: dead in the center of the floor. But like, I
Speaker 1: thought that was so stupid that I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: not even gonna say it out loud. No, it was
Speaker 1: a great ending because they did it in the right way,
Speaker 1: but like I didn't think they'd do it the way
Speaker 1: that that I was thinking in any event, So I
Speaker 1: say all of that to say, and again, this is
Speaker 1: not the ending, and I'm not saying anything about this
Speaker 1: beyond then I assumed the person on the other end
Speaker 1: of the phone was Mark Ruffalo, and that he was
Speaker 1: pulling the strings secretly from behind the scenes, and.
Speaker 2: We will we will not say whether that's true or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say, I'm not spoiling the ending for
Speaker 1: you in any way, because I did not get the
Speaker 1: ending because he was not the voice, he was not
Speaker 1: the disconnected Ipically, that.
Speaker 2: Wasn't the very ending anyway.
Speaker 1: No, but like that to me was the ending. I
Speaker 1: assume you meant to guess was the the that part
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: The identity of the person who was revealed to be
Speaker 2: on the other end of the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that you didn't see that, I didn't see that.
Speaker 1: That surprises here, you're breaking of what you're saw for
Speaker 1: And so I know, yeah, I was pleasant well because
Speaker 1: I had I walked because I was like, what isn't
Speaker 1: being shown? And I'll say this off the air to you,
Speaker 1: I'm realizing now how that line still ties in in
Speaker 1: a way that I'm only just realizing right now.
Speaker 2: But uh, because no, I don't think I mean, we'll
Speaker 2: talk about it, but I know exactly. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think I know exactly what you're gonna say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And because I was headed down that pathway, I
Speaker 1: think it distracted me from other possible outcomes because I
Speaker 1: was so sure, because so many other characters were being
Speaker 1: brought out of the woodwork, there's no way the Mark
Speaker 1: Ruffle is not going to do something in this movie,
Speaker 1: and sure enough, he didn't end up doing well.
Speaker 2: And the other thing too, is how many people you
Speaker 2: didn't know Michael Kine retired. Maybe maybe it was Michael Caine,
Speaker 2: you know, and think about you know, how he was
Speaker 2: left at the end of the second one. He could
Speaker 2: honestly maybe he had a history with you know, it's
Speaker 2: the Andy Garcia al Pacino thing in Oceans right, yeah,
Speaker 2: where like, yeah, I mean you're bringing Garcia back. Oh,
Speaker 2: it turns out he hates al Pacino's character and you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And so they could have been
Speaker 2: one of those anyway. Oh sure.
Speaker 1: And I will say, knowing that another movie was already
Speaker 1: in the works, part of me was wondering, like Fast
Speaker 1: and Furious ten the literal tagline on it was the
Speaker 1: beginning of the end. Yeah, And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: son of a bitch, that means this movie isn't going
Speaker 1: to end on a high notes because obviously it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be the beginning of the end. It would just be
Speaker 1: the end otherwise, And so you kind of knew the
Speaker 1: path that was going on. I'll be real, I expected
Speaker 1: this one to end on more of a cliffhanger than
Speaker 1: it does. This cliffhanger that it ends on. I think
Speaker 1: is is very open ledge.
Speaker 2: Yeah hanger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like we definitely have an idea, but like, realistically,
Speaker 1: they could take it fifty seven different ways like you have.
Speaker 1: It's not like they leave you with them.
Speaker 2: Oh it's fine, yeah, but no, it's no, that is
Speaker 2: what you want you I mean, at least that's what
Speaker 2: I want see for this film. I want a nebulous ending.
Speaker 2: Bet no, I because I want I don't want them
Speaker 2: to pigeonhole themselves into something. Okay, well we kind of
Speaker 2: set up we kind of have to do it this way.
Speaker 1: But you just said that the that uh that Rosemond
Speaker 1: was not the kind of bad guy that you're done
Speaker 1: in this kind of move. What if it ended with
Speaker 1: that voice being like some kind of significantly more threatening
Speaker 1: presence who maybe one of the horsemen does die at
Speaker 1: the end. You're like, oh my god, this guy means business,
Speaker 1: Like when Captain Barbosa comes back from the dead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like you're like, okay, now we mean business like. This
Speaker 1: was just more like more wackiness is coming. You get
Speaker 1: ready for it.
Speaker 2: So so I don't know if I've brought this up.
Speaker 2: I know I've thought about bringing this up on this
Speaker 2: podcast several times, and I may have brought it up
Speaker 2: Silicon Valley HBO show.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it, but I'm familiar with it. Okay.
Speaker 2: Every single episode is about these like, you know, really
Speaker 2: smart tech guys that like face this huge daunting Oh
Speaker 2: my goodness, this is going to wreck the planet technology. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then some miracle happens.
Speaker 1: Sure, okay, and.
Speaker 2: To god whatever, and and then like oh thank god.
Speaker 2: And then they always put like a scene right at
Speaker 2: the end like, oh no, it's even worse than we thought.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: It was every blanking episode.
Speaker 1: And Barry the uh Bill, Yeah, that every episode would
Speaker 1: be like I can't wait till next week.
Speaker 2: And and and it was always just like it took
Speaker 2: you on this ride of like it's this is good,
Speaker 2: this is good, this is good.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's bad. It's bad. It's bad. It's bad.
Speaker 1: It's so bad. It's so bad.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's awesome, it's awesome. And then the last
Speaker 2: fifteen seconds, oh my god, it's off. It's worse than
Speaker 2: it was ever, you know. And that and that's how
Speaker 2: it and I feel like to do that in this
Speaker 2: film where it's like you know, you're you're you're happy,
Speaker 2: you know, like the old Horseman and these quasi new
Speaker 2: horsemen or whatever. It's it's great. And then to have
Speaker 2: like a thano stinger or something like that at the end.
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that was kind of more of what I
Speaker 1: was expecting, especially knowing you're getting another one already, because
Speaker 1: there's no guarantee. It's kind of like how we left
Speaker 1: twenty eight years later not knowing there was going to
Speaker 1: be a part two, and I was like, what the
Speaker 1: hell just happened? And then you realize there's a part two,
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, that's a great ending, Like I'm very
Speaker 1: excited to see what this crew of crazy people is
Speaker 1: going to do with this kid on the other side
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, and there isn't that moment. They definitely
Speaker 1: leave you wanting more and like, I'm sure it'll be
Speaker 1: fun and like, uh, I have a feeling that there's
Speaker 1: going to be a passing of the torch in that
Speaker 1: next movie, but.
Speaker 2: I don't know, because well I don't know. I think
Speaker 2: this type of movie does not necessarily prevent you from
Speaker 2: being an active character while getting older.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, I would agree with that.
Speaker 2: I don't know any of these actors in this movie
Speaker 2: who would turn down a chance to do this film again.
Speaker 2: Ala Fisher came back for this. She was super excited
Speaker 2: to do it again. I can't imagine any of them
Speaker 2: would turn this down. It's not like any of these
Speaker 2: careers are just skyrocketing to the moon.
Speaker 1: I mean, i'd say, Whaty Harrelson doesn't have to take
Speaker 1: any work. He doesn't want to take the stage of
Speaker 1: his own. But I think he likes doing it. He's
Speaker 1: with all these younger people. Yeah, and he thought he
Speaker 1: was great in this. We really haven't touched on him
Speaker 1: too much. I thought his character was awesome in this movie.
Speaker 1: His character is awesome in every single every single movie. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: that's real. Although I will say what bothered me about
Speaker 1: him is that, like I realized it's the writing, right,
Speaker 1: Like you can't it's not actually him. I understand this,
Speaker 1: But when he's like, ah, these young people can't stay focused,
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, you're Woody Harrelson, Like it doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense that this is coming out of your mouth.
Speaker 2: Was he drinking at the end of the movie with.
Speaker 1: Some kind of pomegranate like juice? Drinks.
Speaker 2: So it was alcohol yeah, because that was like.
Speaker 1: The running gag because like gen Z, they don't drink man,
Speaker 1: Like they're not drinking.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was like a THHC drink
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: Oh, I just assumed it was some fruity drink that
Speaker 1: you know, tastes good but not alcoholic. And he clearly
Speaker 1: had a drinking problem throughout most of the true Oh
Speaker 1: I forgot about that, yeah, And so so that it
Speaker 1: was just.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, turning the corner, like Okay, his life's not over, and.
Speaker 1: Which like they do a really good job of like
Speaker 1: subtly hinting at a super depressing life for him, but
Speaker 1: like not really ever bringing the paste down. Like during
Speaker 1: the interrogation scene, Roseman Pike just like hits him with
Speaker 1: a line. Then I'm like, wait, did I miss something?
Speaker 1: But when when did that? And like no, it's just
Speaker 1: she picked up on his mannerisms and kind of mentalisted
Speaker 1: him a little bit, and I'm like, this is that's
Speaker 1: like that that was actually too smart of a scene
Speaker 1: to be in this movie. Probably it was a really
Speaker 1: cool sit I just think that all four horsemen were
Speaker 1: portrayed as having a really depressing post horse in different ways,
Speaker 1: in different ways.
Speaker 2: Like I think the only one that sort of achieved
Speaker 2: happiness was Henley, and even she was like she gets
Speaker 2: the card from the eye and she didn't seem to
Speaker 2: fight it, like you know, there's a certain part of
Speaker 2: her life that was just left unfulfilled. Daniel Atlas never
Speaker 2: wanted The Horseman to break up, so you knew he
Speaker 2: was ticked off. I can't imagine Dave frank. I mean
Speaker 2: it seemed like Dave Franco kind of talked himself into
Speaker 2: doing like what he was doing on these cruises was
Speaker 2: awesome and it was great, but he really didn't believe
Speaker 2: it do it for the perks. Yeah. And Barrett McKinney
Speaker 2: wanted to kill himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So this was you pick up on The Horseman ten
Speaker 2: years later in a very mostly very very dark place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it speaks to different personality types
Speaker 1: because I think you and I have very like in mind.
Speaker 1: I've lived out here for just over three years at
Speaker 1: this point, but like by and large, I'm a city guy, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: very different environment that I have moved out out into here.
Speaker 1: And so when I see the Henley story, like I
Speaker 1: was hanging out with people like not a million years,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so you're like, well, no,
Speaker 1: that's not selling out, that's that's achieving the that's the
Speaker 1: picket fence, that's the dog and two children and all that.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there, I'm like, yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it just depends on the personality perspective, whether you're
Speaker 1: older and you're kind of going through you know, a
Speaker 1: little bit of a rough patch. Maybe Woody Harrelson's experiences
Speaker 1: a little more. Maybe you had that low paid job
Speaker 1: where you thought you were making a difference, then you
Speaker 1: end up in a corporate gig and you're Dave Franco.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll bring this up too. Outside of Henley,
Speaker 2: none of these characters had any family that we knew about,
Speaker 2: all right, Yeah, Dave Franco split up with Lizzie Kaplan's character.
Speaker 2: We phone out at the at the at the start
Speaker 2: of the movie, and you could tell the way he
Speaker 2: talked about it he was pretty depressed about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I thought they were setting him up with
Speaker 1: that June girl. My this is so creepy. Please don't
Speaker 1: make this sound Oh you couldn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, Frank was like forty one. How old is she?
Speaker 1: How old she is? No, I can find out.
Speaker 2: She's got to be like early twenties, got to be
Speaker 2: early eighteen.
Speaker 1: She's eighteen, born in August twenty seventh, two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: She is a young eighteen.
Speaker 2: I remember there was an episode of Talking Dead, which
Speaker 2: you're familiar with, right, that's like the post Yeah, and god,
Speaker 2: can I can see the guy. I cannot think of
Speaker 2: what the showrunner was like for the Walking Dead universe. Oh,
Speaker 2: this is going to irritate me. Not Greg Nickottaro, Oh
Speaker 2: I thought that too.
Speaker 1: It was nothing. I can't remember.
Speaker 2: Anyway, he was on and they asked about a potential
Speaker 2: are we seeing a relationship developed between Lauren Cohen's little
Speaker 2: sister who I'm forgetting what her name was, Bethany in
Speaker 2: real life? I want to say, I don't know her
Speaker 2: little sister on the show and Daryl Dick norman Ritis's character.
Speaker 1: Oh sure.
Speaker 2: And Chris Hardwick brought this up to whoever the and
Speaker 2: he basically it totally caught me off card He's like,
Speaker 2: it's like, well, I'm not even going to dignify that
Speaker 2: with a response, like it would be so creepy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because she was like twenty yeah, and Darryl Dixon in
Speaker 2: real life is like fifty something. I'm like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: whoa okay, But yeah, I never I never really saw that.
Speaker 2: I thought that was just more of a matching of wits.
Speaker 1: Yes, now after having seen the whole movie. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't put it past Hollywood to do anything stupid. And
Speaker 1: that was when I'm like, don't do it, don't do it,
Speaker 1: don't do it. And they put my mind at ease
Speaker 1: till the end.
Speaker 2: We talked about we talked about how formulaic this was
Speaker 2: and how close it was to the second one.
Speaker 1: Do you like that?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's giving people what they want. I mean
Speaker 2: the second one was successful, so let's just do it again?
Speaker 2: Or do you think you need the twist? But sometimes
Speaker 2: the twists spend are not the twists we want, And
Speaker 2: it's like, wow, I didn't like that they did that.
Speaker 2: This is this is what Hollywood is dealing with when
Speaker 2: trying to create stuff that's going to sell. It's like,
Speaker 2: how much of it do we do that's the same
Speaker 2: but not so same, not so similar that everybody says,
Speaker 2: oh it sucks, they just redid it. But you gotta
Speaker 2: be make it a little bit different to the point
Speaker 2: where it's like, oh, that's not what worked. That that
Speaker 2: I don't want to see that. That wasn't good. It's
Speaker 2: a balancing act.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting you bring that up because I can
Speaker 1: share my own experience with it. I wanted there to
Speaker 1: be one more big magic trick. I felt like they
Speaker 1: replaced Oh you don't like the big reveal, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I mean I think they replaced a middle of the
Speaker 1: movie magic trick with that awesome fight scene in the
Speaker 1: Magic House, And what's wrong with that? So I say
Speaker 1: that to say. I was sitting there, half of my
Speaker 1: brain was like, I wanted it to do because that's
Speaker 1: the normal formula is, here's the trick that introduces you
Speaker 1: to what the movie is gonna be about. Here's that
Speaker 1: mid tier trick where stuff kind of goes sideways and
Speaker 1: kind of sets up where the rest of the movie's going,
Speaker 1: which technically does happen in this scene still, and then
Speaker 1: and then here's the big trick at the end, that's
Speaker 1: the final act of what this film is going to be.
Speaker 1: And I sat there, half of my brain was like,
Speaker 1: I really wish they had one more of those awesome
Speaker 1: little trick moments where they do like a big thing
Speaker 1: and some rich guy ends up getting screwed over, and
Speaker 1: part of me was like, actually, this diversion from the
Speaker 1: path is probably the best part of the movie in
Speaker 1: my opinion, and probably the most enjoyable sequence. So, like
Speaker 1: I can see, I am of two minds about it,
Speaker 1: because I found myself leaving there thinking I wanted that
Speaker 1: extra trick and also thinking I didn't want to lose
Speaker 1: that scene. So like, I thought it was formulaic, and
Speaker 1: it kind of broke the mold a little bit in
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I think the mold is mostly
Speaker 2: together for me after that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I shouldn't say broke the mold. That's extreme, But
Speaker 1: at least they went about in a different route.
Speaker 2: They tried to do something a little bit different. I
Speaker 2: don't think it was different enough. I'm ask I'm gonna
Speaker 2: spoiler free. I want to ask you about the role
Speaker 2: the elevator played in the final reveal. Okay, when we
Speaker 2: see what they were doing in regards to the elevator
Speaker 2: mm hm, and knowing that that the the heart diamond
Speaker 2: that that everybody's after in this film is what sixty
Speaker 2: Stories Underground fifty stories underground in the desert or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's down, it's underground.
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh I had the same thought already, know what
Speaker 1: you're gonna.
Speaker 2: Say, I'm not going to say it. Then, Yeah, did that?
Speaker 1: So that clearly makes any sense? It doesn't make any
Speaker 1: freaking sense. Yes, I'm like watching this, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: that that that wouldn't you know? You know? I was thinking.
Speaker 1: So in Pittsburgh there's a place called the Carnegie Science Center.
Speaker 1: Andrew Carnegie and built it, and it's a place Carnegie.
Speaker 1: You don't even start with Carnegie. Oh, I will turn
Speaker 1: this podcast around right now.
Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 2: just give me a second.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where's he from? He's from Pittsburgh. Okay, you are
Speaker 1: the only person, granted you're from the Pittsburgh area. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're the.
Speaker 2: Only person I've ever ever heard and a nationwide level, Yeah,
Speaker 2: including other people from Pittsburgh card not that I know
Speaker 2: other people. Yeah, I've never heard that. Yeah, a buddy
Speaker 2: of mine from New York about do you know Dale Carnegie?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Carnegie Hall and all that. Jezz, there's definitely Carnegie.
Speaker 1: But he's Andrew Carnegie, and.
Speaker 2: So I'm never gonna get used to that.
Speaker 1: So the Carnegie Science Center's there, though, and they have
Speaker 1: a thing.
Speaker 2: Almost seems racist, quite frankly, like you're going, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't think that there's a whole lot of black
Speaker 2: people in central Pennsylvania, but it almost seems like you
Speaker 2: guys are going out of your way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, go ahead. But I say all that to say,
Speaker 1: they had an elevator in the Carnegie Science Center where
Speaker 1: there'd be like a minor and he would be taking
Speaker 1: you further and further into the Earth's crust, but you
Speaker 1: never actually opened the doors. It clearly didn't actually go anywhere.
Speaker 1: It would just rock back and forth while you were
Speaker 1: in there. And when you were seven, you thought you
Speaker 1: were going to the center of the Earth. But it's
Speaker 1: not that. But no, I say that to say, when
Speaker 1: you're twelve, you know this is a thing and the
Speaker 1: elevator isn't going anywhere, And they essentially are trying to
Speaker 1: convince you that these grown ask people fell for the
Speaker 1: fact that that elevator was going somewhere, Like I just
Speaker 1: it doesn't make any Oh, it was going somewhere, right,
Speaker 1: but not in the direction. That's what I was just
Speaker 1: like they they there's gotta you know, it doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense. And I'm sitting there thinking of carnag and
Speaker 1: I'm like, who's following for this right now?
Speaker 2: There were certain and I mentioned too with the with
Speaker 2: the portrait at the at the Paris mansion. I brought
Speaker 2: that up to in regards to who with all these
Speaker 2: people here that are trained to sniff out bs, that
Speaker 2: are trained to fool people for a living. And this
Speaker 2: guy's like, oh wait a minute.
Speaker 1: Oh look at oh look at this guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that this is the stuff I'm talking about. That
Speaker 2: was The elements were there, but they needed it. This
Speaker 2: needed this script needed one more rewrite, not a rewrite,
Speaker 2: but it needed one final edit to go through it
Speaker 2: and fix these tweaks because it I spent two minutes
Speaker 2: thinking about this, right And I feel like if I
Speaker 2: had a few weeks to think about this, yeah, I
Speaker 2: could have easily come up disect with answers to like, oh,
Speaker 2: how do how do we fix this?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: You just do this? Oh yeah, perfect, that's much better
Speaker 2: than we had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree. There there were definitely a couple
Speaker 1: of moments of that, and I mean, and I even
Speaker 1: said to you, like, I mean we're probably getting close
Speaker 1: to ratings here. But despite the fact that the plot
Speaker 1: was very similar to Running Man, or I shouldn't say
Speaker 1: the plot, the message of the movie is very similar
Speaker 1: to Running Man. I found myself, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know if i'd agree with that really now, I
Speaker 1: guess it's more so just like a ninety nine percent
Speaker 1: one percent totally. They flat out referred to themselves as
Speaker 1: anti capitalist magicians in this movie. I'm like, Oh, this
Speaker 1: is a freaking charged way to describe yourself in this climate.
Speaker 1: Like that's a falsy move, but like there's definitely an
Speaker 1: element of like, here's the Blood Diamond people and the
Speaker 1: way they take advantage of people, and that's always been
Speaker 1: the theme of these movies, and that very much. It
Speaker 1: was like, here's the media people and how they take
Speaker 1: advantage of people. In Running Man, I think there's a
Speaker 1: very similar message of what the movie is. I guess
Speaker 1: I agree, and and I found myself thoroughly more engaged
Speaker 1: and questioning less in Running Man. Despite the fact that
Speaker 1: there were just as many plot holes and logical inconsistencies
Speaker 1: in that one.
Speaker 2: Is that I didn't notice it as much, Right, That's.
Speaker 1: Just it is. It wasn't as apparent as it was yesterday.
Speaker 1: But nevertheless, do you know what Ariana? Did you know
Speaker 1: Ariana green Blatz is in Marvel? Ariana Greenblat? Who do I?
Speaker 1: That's Rune? That's that's that's the eighteen year old we
Speaker 1: were talking about. You know she's in Marble.
Speaker 2: No, that's not that's her name. Yeah, Oh that's her
Speaker 2: real name, June June, June June.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, who who is she in the Marble? So
Speaker 1: I was I had her filmography up because I didn't
Speaker 1: recognize any of it, and like, as soon as I
Speaker 1: say the movie, you'll probably give it away because now
Speaker 1: that we know she's eighteen? How many people? Was she
Speaker 1: in Miss Marvel? She in the Marvels? Was she in
Speaker 1: x Men? Is she gonna beet one of the x
Speaker 1: Men movies? No, she's been in. She in one already
Speaker 1: and you've definitely seen it. Man boy, think about one
Speaker 1: of the most impressive Hollywood achievements ever in the form.
Speaker 1: She was an Endgame half we were the close. She
Speaker 1: was an Infinity War Yeah, and I'm trying to remember
Speaker 1: who she would have been she Did she play like
Speaker 1: a superhero super villain? Nope? Was technically then I see
Speaker 1: as soon as I saw it was Infinity War, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: it has to be this person.
Speaker 2: And it was Yeah, how much of the movie are
Speaker 2: they in.
Speaker 1: Two or three minutes? I give up? She's young Mora.
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, oh I I would not have guessed
Speaker 1: that really immediately, I'm like, this has to be right,
Speaker 1: but I looked it up just to be sure. But yeah,
Speaker 1: about that. After you snap your fingers, that's who you
Speaker 1: go and talk to. Yeah, what did it cost you? Everything? Everything?
Speaker 2: Okay? Good stuff?
Speaker 1: Can it work? Yeah? All right, I think we're all right.
Speaker 2: Anything else to say on the on this, Uh, like
Speaker 2: I've exhausted everything we've talked about. Eisenberg, Merret McKinney, Dave Franco,
Speaker 2: the New Horseman, I think, uh, for me, get a
Speaker 2: lot of credibility right away.
Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be. They're the new Avengers to me,
Speaker 1: and not the Thunderbolts. I mean the new Avengers at
Speaker 1: the end of the even realistically, the new the Thunderbolts
Speaker 1: are going to take some time for them to grow
Speaker 1: on me a little bit. Well.
Speaker 2: The other thing with Thunderbolts not that I want to
Speaker 2: turn this into Marble. They're competing against so much, right,
Speaker 2: the Thunderbolts are competing against We found out at the
Speaker 2: end of Fantastic Four there's a lawsuit filed against them
Speaker 2: for utilizing it. So we know that Captain America and
Speaker 2: Falcon New Falcon have their team, the Young Avengers have
Speaker 2: their team, the Fantastic Four coming around the Blanket X Men.
Speaker 2: So it's just like, this is like bigger than the
Speaker 2: Avengers now at this point, it's much bigger. And then
Speaker 2: you get like battle World or whatever coming up with
Speaker 2: doomsday and like and.
Speaker 1: Tony dark is is Victor von dum Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: guy says we can't spoil anything. He's running around, has
Speaker 1: been on the internet for years. My dad hears this.
Speaker 1: He definitely didn't know that was gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Well, then your dad is I'm sorry. I'm just I'm
Speaker 2: assuming certain people are on the internet. I was at
Speaker 2: I was at the Harley Homecoming festival last year, getting
Speaker 2: ready to watch was it Cypress Hill? No, it was
Speaker 2: after Cypress Hill. Who's coming on? After Oh Red Hot
Speaker 2: Chili Peppers, Oh Cool? I was getting ready for that.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, my phone is blowing up because
Speaker 2: Comic Con was going on, and they just revealed Robert
Speaker 2: town Jr.
Speaker 1: As I'm like, what is it? All right? It was,
Speaker 1: and like and like, uh, it's so funny. One of
Speaker 1: that because I've watched the reveals, like everybody has their
Speaker 1: own YouTube reveals, and and so this one guy was
Speaker 1: like filming it and they're like, oh, the one person
Speaker 1: that could that could ever play Victor von dum or whatever.
Speaker 1: And then this guy is filming at this idiot. This
Speaker 1: guy is filming it right as is taking his mask off.
Speaker 1: He's like, it's Jared Leto. That's very tough. I do
Speaker 1: want to I'll bring this back to the movie here
Speaker 1: from Marvel, please, but I'm gonna have to use it
Speaker 1: because you said you were researching this movie in the
Speaker 1: lead up too, And I have to say, as much
Speaker 1: as Ai bothers, me and I have tried to become
Speaker 1: the opposite of that as I get older, because I
Speaker 1: think I spoiled so much of Phase one, two and
Speaker 1: three of Marvel by researching the shit out of it
Speaker 1: that there was some stuff that would have blown my
Speaker 1: mind that didn't catch me as off guard as I
Speaker 1: would have as I wanted it to. So I kind
Speaker 1: of avoid that stuff. What's interesting is that I see
Speaker 1: it with Doomsday, and I'm willing to bet I don't
Speaker 1: know if these now You See Me movies are high
Speaker 1: enough cachet to pull it off. Eighty percent of what's
Speaker 1: out there now is deep fakes. There's a chance that
Speaker 1: I've seen real stuff that's gonna happen in Doomsday, but
Speaker 1: I don't know that I saw it because there's so
Speaker 1: much other fake information that looks real. People. Have you
Speaker 1: seen the pictures of like the entire old school X
Speaker 1: Men cast just hanging out talking behind the scenes in
Speaker 1: like their cartoon accurate outfits in live action And I'm
Speaker 1: just like, okay, so is this either going to piss
Speaker 1: me off? And they're standing there and it's like six
Speaker 1: X Men with Toby Maguire Spider Man, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: so this is either spoiling it like everybody's saying it,
Speaker 1: say I, and like I'm saying, like the era of
Speaker 1: being able to spoil this stuff for yourself, You may
Speaker 1: spoil it, but you're never gonna know enough to know
Speaker 1: if you spoiled it or just read another deep fake.
Speaker 1: And I actually love that because we have spoiled way
Speaker 1: too much shit for ourselves, and like, it's not like
Speaker 1: like I knew we were gonna snap away everybody in
Speaker 1: Infinity War in that movie. I didn't lose anything from
Speaker 1: that because I knew the story. I didn't, you see,
Speaker 1: I had read the original, so I knew where he
Speaker 1: was ultimately headed. And I didn't lose anything. But if I,
Speaker 1: like my brother and I happen to be at the
Speaker 1: same theater, we didn't go together, but we happened to be.
Speaker 1: He did not know how that movie was gonna end.
Speaker 1: I'm walking out with my girlfriend. He's walking out with
Speaker 1: his girlfriend and he happens to drive past me when
Speaker 1: I'm walking out. He goes, Dude, he goes, I know
Speaker 1: you're at this movie. I'm like me, neither. He goes,
Speaker 1: what the F You're like, yeah, man, tell me about it,
Speaker 1: like he was like, and he never acts that way
Speaker 1: about movies. Like I'm like, oh, I'm jealous of that
Speaker 1: feeling right now.
Speaker 2: I did not. I did not see it opening night,
Speaker 2: and I think I had a show or something going on,
Speaker 2: so I couldn't see it. I was gonna see it
Speaker 2: the next day, and I couldn't.
Speaker 1: Resist, you know, me, I can't. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I went on the internet and I think it was
Speaker 2: Variety or something, and somebody posted, here's here's the fallout
Speaker 2: from all those superheroes dying at the end of Infinity War.
Speaker 2: And I'm and I'm looking at it, and they're showing
Speaker 2: these these still images of you know, Scarlet Witch turning
Speaker 2: to dust and Falcon turning to dust and everybody you know,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh my god, well, this clearly isn't real.
Speaker 2: Yeah back then, back then, I just thought it was fake.
Speaker 2: So then I actually see the movie and I'm like,
Speaker 2: my god, it was it real? And then all of a
Speaker 2: sudden they started I'm like, oh my, it's I I
Speaker 2: spoiled it. I still didn't believe it, and then I
Speaker 2: had the same reaction.
Speaker 1: And that's the world we live in. Six out of ten,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go seven and a half on this.
Speaker 2: I Like I said, I my biggest critique on this
Speaker 2: was that it was just it was too repetitive from
Speaker 2: the second one. But ultimately I love the second one,
Speaker 2: so why wouldn't I love this one. Well, it's because
Speaker 2: it was a lot of the same stuff. But that's okay.
Speaker 2: I still enjoyed it cannot go lower than a seven. Also,
Speaker 2: couldn't give it an eight seven and a half.
Speaker 1: You think the second one was better than though, just
Speaker 1: based on typically yes, because and what did you make
Speaker 1: of the big reveal at the end, like the final
Speaker 1: trick reveal, like the whole Oh, I thought it was
Speaker 1: well done outside of the element you're talking about, like the.
Speaker 2: Whole the whole thing, the whole process, the whole lead up,
Speaker 2: the set up everything.
Speaker 1: So so to me, it was like you've said.
Speaker 2: This before when when you're watching a movie and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I've seen this movie before, I seen this done before,
Speaker 2: And I'm kind of like, ah, well, you know, it
Speaker 2: was a little bit of a letdown, but not a
Speaker 2: massive one. And uh and and so I think that's
Speaker 2: my biggest problem with this. But I do like the
Speaker 2: lead up that we're going to see a fourth one
Speaker 2: hopefully yeah, and hopefully soon, and hopefully Morgan Freeman's in it.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, you never.
Speaker 1: Know exactly the best horror movie that I would like
Speaker 1: to see Daniel Radcliffe come back for the I have
Speaker 1: a feeling he will, he will, yeah, But the best
Speaker 1: horror movie I've seen since.
Speaker 2: Him and Rosamund Pike teaming up to take down the horse.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I like, add a little bit
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 2: And Andy Garcia just throw him get Terry benedict in
Speaker 2: on this.
Speaker 1: But I I love Smile. I think the original Smile
Speaker 1: is one of the best things to come out in
Speaker 1: a decade. Smile two is the exact same movie in
Speaker 1: every way. If I saw a Smile too first, I'd
Speaker 1: probably tell you that was the better one because it's
Speaker 1: the same Smile.
Speaker 2: She was the same as Smile.
Speaker 1: It's the same movie, just a different. Instead of being
Speaker 1: a psychiatrist, she's a pop singer, but the same, it's
Speaker 1: the same plot points, has the exact same.
Speaker 2: The twenty one and twenty two Jump Street movies, I
Speaker 2: mean twenty two Jump Street. Like just points that out, like,
Speaker 2: like Nick Offerman, is that his name Nick Afferman from yes,
Speaker 2: where He's like saying, just do the same thing again. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's the exact same you know it like and and
Speaker 2: we as the audience are like, well, but it's a
Speaker 2: it's a comedy, so it's a little bit different, so
Speaker 2: we can actually respect it a little.
Speaker 1: But when you when you take the chances, you chance
Speaker 1: everybody like Megan two point zero. You chance there and
Speaker 1: being like I actually kind of hated that compared to
Speaker 1: the first one. Yes, or you say I actually kind
Speaker 1: of love that compared to the first one. Not with Megan,
Speaker 1: but you like with Terminator too. Instead of making the
Speaker 1: same thing again, you're like, I'm gonna do something totally different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh with this, what we're seeing is they're like,
Speaker 1: let's not take the chance, let's not roll the dice.
Speaker 1: No one's gonna think this is the best one, but
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna come out of it hating it. And the
Speaker 1: cast is strong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anytime you have magic and twists, like you know,
Speaker 2: you know, the writing is gonna be good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was good.
Speaker 2: It wasn't great.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's where I'm at with it here. We don't
Speaker 1: know where we're going with this show. For me, there's
Speaker 1: not a lot of good stuff out there. I do
Speaker 1: want to do the Five Nights movie, but I don't
Speaker 1: even know if that's coming out till two weekends from now.
Speaker 1: I think we have two weekends from that, but we'll
Speaker 1: figure it out. We'll talk a little bit off the air,
Speaker 1: but until then, that's bulky. I'm Ben this is off topic.
Speaker 1: Have a good Thanksgiving everybody. We'll talk to you next week.