1 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: And hello, how are you welcome to the Big Podcast. 2 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:34,079 Today's Wednesday, seventeenth day of September, year of our twenty 3 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,880 twenty five. My name is Tom Sullivan. And while we 4 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,719 have kind of an offshoot, if you will, from all 5 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:47,719 the business about the Charlie Kirk investigation the FBI, they're 6 00:00:47,759 --> 00:00:50,039 working all of that, but also some more news about 7 00:00:50,039 --> 00:00:56,320 the FBI came out today about how they were being 8 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,719 very political and the prior administration. We'll share that if 9 00:00:59,759 --> 00:01:03,039 from me with you. The president's over in the UK 10 00:01:03,399 --> 00:01:06,799 having a wonderful visit. He just it's right up his alley. 11 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:11,400 I mean, he got the right in the Golden Carriage 12 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,040 and he loves all that stuff. So he's having a 13 00:01:14,079 --> 00:01:16,439 good time over there. The Fed came out today and 14 00:01:16,519 --> 00:01:20,040 made their decision about interest rates down a quarter of 15 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,319 a percent. We'll dig into a little bit more about 16 00:01:22,359 --> 00:01:29,719 it and tomorrow and Friday. The new vaccine Panel ASP 17 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,840 it's what they're called there. They are going to beat 18 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:39,040 about changing the vaccine panel in America. But let's we'll 19 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,480 get into all of that. Is a lot there. Oh 20 00:01:41,519 --> 00:01:44,519 and by the way, the woman who was the CDC 21 00:01:44,719 --> 00:01:48,959 director for I think three weeks they hired her, they 22 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,680 sent it, confirmed her, and then she got fired. She 23 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,599 testified today as well. So we have a lot on 24 00:01:55,799 --> 00:02:01,040 vaccines to go over, but the FBI, well, let me 25 00:02:01,159 --> 00:02:03,959 let me start at the end first. Late this afternoon, 26 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,520 the sheriff of Washington County, which is where Saint George, 27 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:15,159 Utah is where the shooter's family lived. The sheriff came 28 00:02:15,199 --> 00:02:20,759 out today and briefly mentioned how that whole thing went down, 29 00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:24,400 with the shooter being basically taken into custody. 30 00:02:25,199 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 2: My friend drove Tyler and his parents to my office 31 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,520 where he was greeted by playing clothes detectives. 32 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,759 Speaker 3: So that was part of the part of the deal. 33 00:02:34,879 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: Is Tyler knew it was just inevitable with all the 34 00:02:38,879 --> 00:02:41,599 law enforcement pressure that he you know, his picture in 35 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:43,599 the news, the gun at the gun on the news. 36 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,759 He knew was inevitable that he would be caught. He 37 00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:49,439 was fearful of the swat team hit on his house, 38 00:02:49,599 --> 00:02:52,159 or he was fearful of being shot by law enforcement. 39 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,280 So part of the negotiation and getting him to bring 40 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,400 himself in was that that we would we would treat 41 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,479 it as delicate and as soft as possible to make 42 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,680 him feel comfortable. To where he would show up at 43 00:03:05,719 --> 00:03:07,680 my office and that's exactly what happened. 44 00:03:08,719 --> 00:03:12,439 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's just incredible to me. He was afraid 45 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,520 of being shot. Did it occur to him that he 46 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:21,080 just shot and killed a human being? But he was 47 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,960 afraid of being shot? And the other thing Yet a 48 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,520 weird part about all of this that keeps I know, 49 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,680 this wasn't the main focus on my podcast today, but 50 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,560 I keep thinking about the fact that they, you know, 51 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,960 the news yesterday was the DA read the whole background 52 00:03:37,039 --> 00:03:40,439 and everything else and said that he had communicated with 53 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,879 his roommate that he was that Charlie Kirk was going 54 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,919 to be in the area. He told his family that 55 00:03:46,039 --> 00:03:48,479 Charlie Kirk was going to be in the area, and 56 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,599 then he in one of the text messages with his roommate, 57 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:56,400 talked about the fact that Charlie has so much hate. 58 00:03:57,039 --> 00:03:59,599 According to the shooter, has so much hate that it's 59 00:03:59,599 --> 00:04:02,919 just not negotiable. But I'm thinking, wait a minute, isn't 60 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:08,639 that what Charlie did. He sat in front of students 61 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,360 and welcome them, especially the ones who disagreed with him, 62 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,759 welcome them to come up to the microphone and debate him. 63 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,360 So instead of coming up and with a gun and 64 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:23,759 shooting him. Why didn't he just he was there, he 65 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,160 was at the spot. Why did he not go down 66 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,839 and stand in line for the microphone and confront Charlie 67 00:04:33,399 --> 00:04:37,040 Kirk all about the hate perceived hatred that this guy 68 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:41,319 said that Charlie had. Maybe Charlie could have convinced him 69 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,519 that they saw more eye to eye than he thought, 70 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,079 or maybe not, but at least that would have been 71 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,439 the normal thing to do. And then to think that 72 00:04:52,519 --> 00:04:55,680 he was afraid of being shot. How can you be 73 00:04:55,759 --> 00:04:59,040 afraid of being shot but you're willing to shoot other people. 74 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,399 It's just bizarre. So I don't know why the killer 75 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:09,160 did not debate Charlie. He was right there. Just released 76 00:05:09,199 --> 00:05:15,079 a pull By Morning consult finding two thirds of Americans 77 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:20,600 have heard a lot about Charlie's killing. Most people said 78 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:26,319 the news made them worried or angry. The Republicans and 79 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,920 Democrats argue that America's political rhetoric is to blame for 80 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:35,279 the assassination, but the survey says they also blame one another. 81 00:05:35,439 --> 00:05:41,199 The result showed sixty two percent of Republicans said the 82 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,040 liberal media is to blame, while the same number of 83 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,639 Democrats point the finger at President Trump and say he's 84 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:56,600 to blame. So we both have our villains. People on 85 00:05:56,639 --> 00:05:58,879 the right have the liberal media as they're villain. People 86 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,319 on the left have Donald Trump as their villain. So 87 00:06:02,399 --> 00:06:05,399 that's where we are. Sixty almost not not quite two thirds, 88 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,639 but it's a decent majority of people feel that way. 89 00:06:09,639 --> 00:06:14,439 So let me get to this FBI story. We all 90 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,959 know that their accusations Peter Strock and the whole group 91 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:24,079 that went after Donald Trump round well first Trump one 92 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:29,120 point zero primarily, but also before that, and more is 93 00:06:29,199 --> 00:06:34,199 coming out now that Cash Bettel has the controls of 94 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,560 the FBI and they're looking into what exactly went on. 95 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:43,319 Chuck Grassley the oldest senator, he turned ninety two years 96 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,319 of age today. He sounds like you said, much younger man. 97 00:06:48,079 --> 00:06:50,199 He acts like a much younger man. But anyway, he 98 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:56,439 is unveiling the fact that the FBI is accused of 99 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:03,759 targeting Republican groups, including turning point USA that they were 100 00:07:03,759 --> 00:07:06,160 going remember remember back in You've got to go back 101 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,879 to the Obama years when they were going at the 102 00:07:08,959 --> 00:07:11,040 lowest learner and that whole crowd at the I r 103 00:07:11,199 --> 00:07:16,000 S were specifically going after anybody that was a nonprofit 104 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,399 organization on the right side of the aisle. I mean, 105 00:07:19,399 --> 00:07:22,800 they just they absolutely used the big boot of government, 106 00:07:23,439 --> 00:07:27,879 uh to violate a lot of organizations' rights under the 107 00:07:27,879 --> 00:07:31,560 Internal Revenue Code. Well, now apparently it's coming out that, yeah, 108 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,120 they were still doing this in the Biden administration, targeting 109 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:41,000 Republican groups, including Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA. 110 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:48,519 Speaker 4: There's grassly articke Frost wasn't just a case to politically 111 00:07:48,879 --> 00:07:55,759 investigate Trump. It was the vehicle by which partisan FBI 112 00:07:56,079 --> 00:08:03,480 agents and Department Justice prosecutor could achieve their partisan hands 113 00:08:04,439 --> 00:08:11,120 and improperly investigate the entire Republican political apparatus. 114 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:17,279 Speaker 1: So if the FBI was investigating Republican organizations, what was 115 00:08:17,319 --> 00:08:19,959 the reason for going after Turning Point usaid? Do you 116 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,639 know the answer to that is no. 117 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 4: But understand that none of this stuff would be known 118 00:08:27,639 --> 00:08:32,200 this very day if we hadn't had whistle wars in 119 00:08:32,279 --> 00:08:36,759 the FBI and Department of Justice. Tell us about it 120 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:42,200 and give us the documents, and I can thank Director 121 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:47,240 Patel for making sure that we got those documents. And 122 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,080 I think it's ought to remind us all that it's 123 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,759 a continuation of what tried to happen in the Obama 124 00:08:54,879 --> 00:09:00,600 administration with the Loess Arner attacked through the irs of 125 00:09:00,639 --> 00:09:05,840 investigating conservative nonprofits. And it's something that shouldn't happen on 126 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:10,759 our political system. And it's an example of the FBI 127 00:09:11,039 --> 00:09:16,159 weaponization or political weaponization. And it all started with a 128 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:22,399 special agent t Bow, Timothy t Bow, that violated every 129 00:09:22,519 --> 00:09:29,799 FBI protocol to set up for the Jack Smith electoral 130 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,360 charges against President Trump. And until now we thought that 131 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,840 that's all it was about, was going after President Trump. 132 00:09:38,159 --> 00:09:43,120 But it's going after ninety two conservative groups, Republican groups, 133 00:09:43,159 --> 00:09:49,919 and Republican individuals, and Charlie Kirk's organization Turning Point was 134 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,200 one of those. But we wouldn't have known that. 135 00:09:53,159 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 3: Without the FBI whistle blewart. 136 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,519 Speaker 4: I think we ought to make a case for both 137 00:09:59,519 --> 00:10:04,519 political parties to quit this attacking each other in these 138 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,000 very secretive ways where you don't know about it until 139 00:10:08,039 --> 00:10:11,039 some whistlebo war tells you about it. And it's just 140 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:16,200 very anti American, it's anti constitutional, and it's an a 141 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,360 violation of free speech if you can pleader political speech. 142 00:10:21,399 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: Being Senator John Kennedy always has John Kennedy's asked about 143 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,960 always has his accusations. He was asked about these accusations 144 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:32,840 about the FBI. 145 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 3: It doesn't surprise me. 146 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 5: There were some people, not the majority, but some people 147 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:44,639 with that bunder President Biden who used their positions of 148 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:50,240 power to prosecute their political beliefs or the president's political beliefs. 149 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:55,120 We know that we've seen the evidence Peter Struck, Lisa Page, 150 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:01,600 and part of mister Patel's mission needs to be to 151 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:02,360 get rid of them. 152 00:11:02,399 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: Now. That doesn't mean to go the other way. 153 00:11:04,919 --> 00:11:09,159 Speaker 5: That means to just be turn the FBI back into 154 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:14,120 a professional a political organization. But there's no question that 155 00:11:14,799 --> 00:11:17,960 under President Biden, the place was political as hell. 156 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,919 Speaker 1: And people wonder why many of us don't trust our 157 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,639 government the FBI of all places. I mean, how can 158 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,639 you not trust the FBI? But this is proof positive, 159 00:11:30,639 --> 00:11:35,440 and because of whistleblowers within the FBI, we are finding 160 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,120 out about the fact that they had political access to 161 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:43,799 grind and win after people based upon politics. Well, I 162 00:11:43,799 --> 00:11:45,960 don't we'll find out later. I'm sure what the deal 163 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,840 was with what their problem was with Turning Point USA. 164 00:11:48,879 --> 00:11:51,759 But like Chuck Grassley said, that was just one of 165 00:11:52,519 --> 00:11:57,240 ninety two Republican organizations that the FBI was going after. 166 00:11:57,919 --> 00:12:05,720 Absolutely disgusting. Back to more on the shooter and FBI 167 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:10,360 profiler guy by the name of Jim Clemente. That's what 168 00:12:10,399 --> 00:12:12,759 he does. I don't know how anybody can look into 169 00:12:12,759 --> 00:12:15,200 somebody's head, but this is what he had to say 170 00:12:15,639 --> 00:12:16,360 about the shooter. 171 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,759 Speaker 6: Well, first of all, it just indicates that he has 172 00:12:18,799 --> 00:12:21,919 a very skewed perspective. I mean, obviously, the difference between 173 00:12:21,919 --> 00:12:24,399 getting in trouble with his father and murdering a human 174 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:29,519 being is drastic. Yet he's more worried about the lesser 175 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:34,559 crime or lesser problem. I think the father represents morals 176 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,360 and ideals to him and he doesn't subscribe to them, 177 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,960 and therefore he didn't fit in well, and that could 178 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,360 lead to a really poor self image, which led this 179 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,840 guy to decide that he wanted to do something outrageous 180 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,879 to feel better about himself, to feel more powerful. Well, 181 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,720 obviously his father has the social skills to discuss this 182 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,639 with his son. His son, though secretly at least for 183 00:12:59,639 --> 00:13:03,879 the last week, has been harboring this incredibly violent way 184 00:13:03,919 --> 00:13:06,279 to address this issue. This is not the first thing 185 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,039 he should have been thinking of. This is not the 186 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,799 first way that you address an issue. If he had 187 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,879 a problem with somebody's political ideologies or what they said 188 00:13:14,879 --> 00:13:18,039 in public, then he certainly could have addressed it one 189 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,360 on one. He could have talked to a number of people, 190 00:13:21,039 --> 00:13:23,200 but that's not what he chose to do. And this 191 00:13:23,279 --> 00:13:26,559 is where he indicates what's really going on in his mind. 192 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:30,320 I think I've said it before. Genetics actually loads the gun. 193 00:13:30,759 --> 00:13:35,480 Personality and psychology aims it, and experiences pull the trigger. 194 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,320 And that psychology and personality you participate in the formation 195 00:13:39,399 --> 00:13:42,440 of that through the thousands of little decisions that you 196 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,159 make in your mind. And so instead of going away 197 00:13:45,159 --> 00:13:48,399 from that violence, he embraced it. Instead of trying to 198 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,559 deal like a normal human being, he decided he wanted 199 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,759 to go towards extreme violence. And I'm not saying that 200 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,320 genetics made him do this. What I'm saying it just 201 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,080 he had the potential, that's all. He could definitely have 202 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,440 fought thought that potential gone against it. But I think 203 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,600 that he made a lot of decisions in his brain, 204 00:14:06,639 --> 00:14:08,559 and maybe a lot of them occurred over the last 205 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:11,279 year or so, but he made decisions in his own 206 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,600 brain that he was going to do something outrageous so 207 00:14:14,639 --> 00:14:16,320 that he could feel better about himself. 208 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,159 Speaker 1: Well back to the why didn't he go talk one 209 00:14:19,159 --> 00:14:22,679 on one with somebody like Charlie Kirk, It would have 210 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,799 been the obvious place to go, I would think. Paul Morrow, 211 00:14:26,039 --> 00:14:29,000 former NYPD, weighs in with his latest thoughts. 212 00:14:29,559 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 7: But yeah, you can see that is the planning that 213 00:14:31,919 --> 00:14:34,480 reportedly is about a week going into it, and then 214 00:14:34,519 --> 00:14:37,759 this meticulous plan that he follows. He very clearly thought 215 00:14:37,799 --> 00:14:40,120 it all out. But then even subsequent to the event, 216 00:14:40,399 --> 00:14:43,399 which he seems to have executed the way he expected to, 217 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,759 he then takes all of these evasive maneuvers to get away, 218 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,879 to include dumping the gun in a place that he 219 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,240 thought was going to be a drop point, then getting 220 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,039 to the roommate by text in a forum that he 221 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,639 thought was going to be safe in discord, giving that instruction, 222 00:14:57,879 --> 00:15:00,080 and planning to go back waiting for the cops to 223 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,799 be clear. All of that speaks to the fact, exactly 224 00:15:02,799 --> 00:15:05,799 as you're just saying, he's speaking with a clear mind. 225 00:15:05,879 --> 00:15:09,120 He doesn't have a mental defect. The bar is high 226 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,960 for an insanity plea in Utah. The fact that he 227 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,320 was operating at such a high level I would argue 228 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,360 pretty much takes that off the table. They may try it, 229 00:15:19,399 --> 00:15:21,120 I don't think it's going to succeed. So from the 230 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,600 press conference we got yesterday, two things jumped out at 231 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,000 me relative to the roommate. First of all, the fact 232 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,559 that he says to the roommate, destroy the note. And 233 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,399 then the prosecutor said in the press conference we have 234 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,159 a photograph of the note, not the note itself, which 235 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,919 argues to me very good chance that the roommate did 236 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,240 destroy the note, which is potentially chargeable. The other thing 237 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:46,080 was this conversation about you saw me engraving the bullets. Now, 238 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:50,159 while it does seem that the roommate appears to be shocked, 239 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,039 is that a little bit on the nose is a 240 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,879 little contrived? Is it a little too perfect? Somebody exchange 241 00:15:55,879 --> 00:15:58,799 they have there's some suggestion of that online. Those are 242 00:15:58,799 --> 00:16:02,679 people just speculating. But the fact that he knew that 243 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:08,120 his roommate was engraving bullets argues that that's a callback 244 00:16:08,159 --> 00:16:10,879 to mangi own, which obviously was done for no good purpose. 245 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,960 So those things suggest to me maybe the roommate could 246 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,519 be in the hot box. But the thing is this, 247 00:16:17,639 --> 00:16:20,080 that doesn't mean you have to charge that person, and 248 00:16:20,159 --> 00:16:23,120 in fact, it seems like the investigators have the roommate 249 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,679 working for them. They got that person right where they 250 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,600 want them, and they want to keep them that way 251 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,720 because you can do all the forensics in the world, computers, phones, surveillance, 252 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,960 all of that stuff. To have somebody who was living 253 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:40,120 with the accused for the investigator, that's gold. So this 254 00:16:40,159 --> 00:16:42,720 is difficult. We had this very much in the terrorism world. 255 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:44,759 When I was working terrorism cases. We used to call 256 00:16:44,799 --> 00:16:47,240 it loser the lion, and isis particul call it what 257 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:52,080 loser to lion isis was particularly adept at finding people 258 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,879 who were leave leading sort of slipping down lives, who 259 00:16:54,919 --> 00:16:58,159 were looking around for an identity, to get into that mindset, 260 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,879 to catfish them and to cite them into doing something violent. 261 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: However, low level. 262 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 7: Here, pick up a gun, pick up a knife, pick 263 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,079 up a bat, charge a police officer, give them purpose, 264 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,920 and that made them a lion for Islam right now. 265 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,559 It was a pure act of weaponization, and it's a 266 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,400 very low level operation. It's very easy. What you're looking 267 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,640 for is that cognitive aperture. You're looking for the opening 268 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,920 in the person's psyche where you can drill in there 269 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,839 and change their mindset into something that's more glorious for them. 270 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,240 That was during the terrorism world. This paradigm feels very, 271 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,720 very similar. It's very very tough to guard against. There's 272 00:17:34,759 --> 00:17:38,400 so many encrypted apps. Generally, what it really comes down 273 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:43,000 to is the people who are closest family friends, primarily family, 274 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,279 because after one of these events, they always say, on 275 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,279 doing the interviews, I saw them going down a bad path, 276 00:17:49,319 --> 00:17:51,680 but I didn't think it would be anything like this. 277 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,880 This commission is important to sensitize people, but as far 278 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:56,079 as stopping. 279 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,839 Speaker 1: It, I'm sure this story isn't the only one in America. 280 00:18:00,039 --> 00:18:03,759 And imagine how many If you know anybody that's gay, 281 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:09,559 you know they'll tell you that the whole excruciating, anxiety 282 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:15,119 filled moment of having to come out to tell their parents, 283 00:18:15,559 --> 00:18:18,960 tell their mother. Many many cases, it's easier to tell 284 00:18:19,039 --> 00:18:22,480 mom than it is dad. And I'm sure that this father, 285 00:18:22,559 --> 00:18:27,640 who was described as a very conservative guy and his 286 00:18:27,839 --> 00:18:31,880 son turning to the not only to the left, but 287 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,200 into the gay and trans world, I'm sure there was 288 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,599 probably a lot of problems between those two even getting along, 289 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,319 let alone sitting down and trying to figure out how 290 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,400 to help him. So I mean, this is where you 291 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,839 need to go to professional counseling, get somebody outside of 292 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:54,640 your home to help. Where this young man was having 293 00:18:54,720 --> 00:19:00,319 problems with self image is clear. And so again not 294 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,279 go stand in front of Charlie Kirk and debate him 295 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:10,799 instead of shoot him as still absolutely puzzling. So it's 296 00:19:10,839 --> 00:19:13,720 all I don't want to blame the clowns under the dome, 297 00:19:14,319 --> 00:19:18,720 but yesterday there was I think there's something wrong with 298 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:24,359 Corey Booker. He's just such a strange guy. And yesterday 299 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,359 he was supposed to be asking questions of the FBI 300 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,240 director and instead he started yelling at him, and Cash 301 00:19:32,279 --> 00:19:35,680 Betel fired right back at him, and Corey Booker had 302 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,599 just lost his mind. It was embarrassing to see. These 303 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:44,599 are supposed to be the adults in our country. Senator 304 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:49,559 John Kennedy was in the room when these two went 305 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,960 down this path so immature. 306 00:19:52,279 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 5: Well, I'll put it this way, mister Patel on the FBI, 307 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,279 working with you, Utah state and local law enforcement officials 308 00:20:03,319 --> 00:20:10,559 caught the assassin uh with within thirty three hours, and 309 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:15,079 I congratulate him and all his colleagues for that. In 310 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,640 terms of the hearing. Parts of it were very informative. 311 00:20:20,079 --> 00:20:24,240 Parts of it, as you showed, looked like something my 312 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:25,480 dog brought up. 313 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: You know, you can. 314 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 5: It's never a good thing when senators and a witness 315 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:37,680 uh lose their temper and uh and and start screaming 316 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:43,079 at each other. Wasn't exactly a Lincoln moment. And and 317 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,519 I think most Americans look at that and with it, 318 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,839 some will assigned blame. I don't care to, but they'll 319 00:20:49,839 --> 00:20:51,880 look at it and they'll think, you know, you can 320 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,519 only be young once, but you can always be immatere. 321 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,400 I think I think the FBI is going to be 322 00:20:57,519 --> 00:21:01,680 on this very aggressively. I asked the director yesterday point blank, 323 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,920 can you tell me with certainty that no one else 324 00:21:05,039 --> 00:21:07,920 was involved? And he said, no, I can't say that. 325 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,480 And I said, could others have been involved? And he said, 326 00:21:11,079 --> 00:21:17,240 he said, yes. Look this this the assassin. We've all 327 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,400 seen his emails. This guy was about ten exits past normal. 328 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:28,359 That doesn't mean he's insane, he just he just he 329 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:34,519 has no soul and talking to his his his boyfriend 330 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:40,200 or girlfriend. He's not worried about having just killed another 331 00:21:40,279 --> 00:21:42,920 human being in cold blood. He's worried about his dad 332 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:48,200 being mad because he lost his grandfather's rifle. This guy 333 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,880 got radicalized in some way, and I believe the FBI 334 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,400 will get to the bottom of it, and they should. 335 00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:58,119 And yeah, some of it probably is the fault of 336 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,720 social media. Maybe he had other chuckleheads encouraging him. But 337 00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:04,640 at the end of the day, I believe in free 338 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,519 will and responsibility, and this guy's going to be held 339 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:10,400 and should be held responsible for his action. 340 00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: All right, So, speaking of tense moments in Congress, doctor 341 00:22:16,519 --> 00:22:20,039 Susan Moneraz who was the CDC director for all of 342 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,119 three weeks she was hired, She went through the she 343 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,839 was hired by RFK Junior, and then went through the 344 00:22:25,839 --> 00:22:29,559 Senate confirmation process and he fired her three weeks later. 345 00:22:30,519 --> 00:22:33,279 I thought it was well, first of all, it's time 346 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:39,440 she was testifying today, but tomorrow and Friday, this vaccine 347 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,319 panel is going to be meeting to determine what vaccines 348 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,119 are allowed and which ones are not, and maybe even 349 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,480 beyond a ladder. It comes down to sometimes they will 350 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,880 allow it, but if they don't approve, what that means 351 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,519 your insurance company is going to pay for it. So 352 00:22:54,680 --> 00:23:01,279 I thought we would play some chunks from her testimony. Today, 353 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,240 we'll start with doctor Susan Moneras, and she was being 354 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:11,039 quizzed by Senator Bill Cassidy, who's the head of this committee, 355 00:23:11,319 --> 00:23:16,559 but he's also a medical doctor. So listen to this 356 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,279 and see if you aren't confused when we get done 357 00:23:19,319 --> 00:23:20,000 with this segment. 358 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 8: I met with him twice when he swore me in. 359 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,759 He was in the room he swore me in, and 360 00:23:25,799 --> 00:23:28,240 then I met him again on August eleventh when he 361 00:23:28,279 --> 00:23:32,160 came down to tour the buildings that had been under 362 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,480 the gunfire, and we chatted briefly. 363 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 3: Then you met the twenty fifth as well, and. 364 00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:40,839 Speaker 8: Then the twenty fifth that's correct, yes, okay. 365 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 3: And how many meetings were during around the period of 366 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:43,759 the twenty fifth. 367 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 8: We had three distinct meetings that day, okay. 368 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,039 Speaker 3: And what did he tell you to do. 369 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 8: In the first meeting? Briefly? In the first meeting, he 370 00:23:55,039 --> 00:24:01,000 asked me to commit to firing as scientists or resign. 371 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,480 He asked me to pre commit to signing off in 372 00:24:05,559 --> 00:24:10,400 each in one of the forthcoming ACIP recommendations, regardless of 373 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,119 whether or not there was scientific evidence. 374 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 9: And what were those recommendations. Did you have a foreshadow 375 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:15,119 and of what they would be. 376 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 8: I did not. We did not get into any subsistance. 377 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 3: About what he wanted to approve them. 378 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,519 Speaker 8: He just wanted to blanket approval. And if I could 379 00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:27,680 not commit to approval of each and every one of 380 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,960 the recommendations that would be forthcoming, I needed to resign. 381 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,240 I did not resign. And that is when he told 382 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,200 me he had already spoken to the White House about 383 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,039 having me removed. 384 00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 9: Did he ever communicate is going to change the childhood 385 00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:41,680 vaccination schedule? 386 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,519 Speaker 8: Not until that very day. In that morning meeting, he 387 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,599 said that the childhood vaccine schedule would be changing starting 388 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,920 in September, and I needed to be on board with it. 389 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,839 Speaker 9: Did he ever suggest that the President was that he 390 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,319 was speaking for the president. 391 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 8: In that morning meeting, he did say that he had 392 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,839 spoken to the president. He spoke to the President every 393 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,160 day about changing the childhood vaccine schedule. 394 00:25:09,519 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 3: Okay. 395 00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 9: Did Secretary Kennedy asked you to speak to anybody outside 396 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:14,079 of HHS? 397 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 3: He did. 398 00:25:16,319 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 8: In the second meeting that day, he indicated that one. 399 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:19,519 Speaker 1: Of his. 400 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 8: Colleagues or collaborators, I don't know what the relationship is, 401 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,079 was coming into town the following week and he wanted 402 00:25:28,079 --> 00:25:29,319 me to meet with that person. 403 00:25:29,559 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 3: Who was that person? 404 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 8: The person was named Aaron Siri. 405 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 3: Aaron Siri? Is he the trial attorney who. 406 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,279 Speaker 9: Wanted to get rid of the polio vaccine allegedly and 407 00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:43,400 President Trump slapped him down and said he couldn't do that? 408 00:25:43,519 --> 00:25:44,519 Speaker 3: Is that the same eron Siri? 409 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,799 Speaker 8: I don't know the second part of that, but I 410 00:25:46,839 --> 00:25:48,920 do know that there were public reports that he is 411 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:53,799 the individual who had suggested getting rid of the polio vaccine. 412 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,559 Speaker 9: Now, Senator Secretary Kennedy told the Finance Committee that he 413 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,200 did not ask you to prove but that you're a 414 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,319 biased against the new ACIP and he just asked you 415 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,839 to keep an open mind. Did he cite any data 416 00:26:08,319 --> 00:26:13,079 or science as relates to the potential ACIP recommendations to 417 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,599 persuade you to support them. 418 00:26:16,039 --> 00:26:19,279 Speaker 8: He did not have any data or science to point to. 419 00:26:19,839 --> 00:26:23,240 As a matter of fact. We got into an exchange 420 00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:26,359 where I had suggested that I would be open to 421 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:31,039 changing childhood vaccine schedules if the evidence or science were supportive, 422 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,000 and he responded that there was no science or evidence 423 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:40,200 associated with a childhood vaccine schedule, and he elaborated that 424 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,880 CDC had never collected the science or the data to 425 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,960 make it available related to the safety and effort. 426 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,319 Speaker 9: To be clear, he said there was not science or data, 427 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,119 but that you still expected you to change the schedule. 428 00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:55,279 Speaker 3: Correct, Okay, doctor Howery. 429 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,799 Speaker 9: Doctor Manaras has just said the Secretary directed her to 430 00:26:58,839 --> 00:27:01,640 accept vaccine recommendation without seeing them and for which there 431 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,000 is no science related to tomorrow's ACIP meeting. 432 00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 3: Who decided what would be on the agenda? 433 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,599 Speaker 10: So I don't have great visibility into that. I know 434 00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:13,880 the senior Advisor and HHS counselor worked with our staff 435 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,039 and the designated federal official and proposed items. 436 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 3: Kent, And who is the senior counselor. 437 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,039 Speaker 10: The senior counselor. The senior Advisor is Stuart Burns, and 438 00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:24,200 the HHS Counselor is Ren Archer. 439 00:27:24,279 --> 00:27:27,279 Speaker 9: And those are political appointees answerable to the secretary. Yes, 440 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,200 is that the way the does it? Normally the Cabinet 441 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,680 Secretary of Political Staff set the agenda for a scientific meeting. 442 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 10: Not for the past decade. 443 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 3: I was at CDC, so. 444 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 9: This is the first time that's been the case. Yes, 445 00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:42,079 And in preparing materials for the meeting, were you told 446 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,440 to disregard science or to enhance science or how is 447 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,160 what were you supposed to do for the last meeting 448 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,960 we had to I'm talking about this meeting coming up. 449 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 10: So for this meeting, we didn't have work groups other 450 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,039 than one for COVID, So CDC scientists were being asked 451 00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:03,559 by ACP did questions and recommendations. I did suggest additional 452 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,119 questions that the Hepatitis B work group look at so 453 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,519 that they could look at differences in age groups. The 454 00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:12,559 senior advisor was concerned that could bias moving away from 455 00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:15,599 a birth dose. I asked how asking questions and providing 456 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,039 data could do bias if we didn't have the answer. 457 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 9: Bias against moving away from your suggesting that they wanted 458 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,039 to move away from the birth dose, but they were 459 00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:25,440 afraid that your data would say that they should retain it. 460 00:28:25,599 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: Right, That's okay, So again that's well, there's two ladies there. 461 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,480 One is doctor Susan Moneraz, who was the fired head 462 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,799 of CDC and the chief medical officer for the CDC. 463 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,920 You heard doctor Deborah Howry. Here's the thing. As far 464 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,640 as having confidence in the CDC, they lost my confidence 465 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,279 a long time ago, back when they were coming up 466 00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:52,240 with all kinds of goofy things during COVID and they 467 00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:57,200 were proven wrong over and over and over. So this, however, 468 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:04,720 is focusing on childhood vaccine protocol. And Senator rand Paul, 469 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,319 who also is a doctor, I don't know if he 470 00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:11,079 asked really all that many questions. He kind of basically 471 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,559 made a lot of statements. But listen to the back 472 00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:15,480 and forth with doctor rand Paul. 473 00:29:16,319 --> 00:29:19,279 Speaker 3: Doctor Menaras, I agree with you completely that we need 474 00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:22,880 to restore trust in public health. In order to do so, 475 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,440 we have to have a discussion about the actual science, 476 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,359 and we can't have discussions this. You know, it's a 477 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,240 but all vaccines are good, all vaccines are bad. This 478 00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:35,279 is about specific vaccines. It's about specific age groups, It's 479 00:29:35,319 --> 00:29:39,759 about specific policies. Does the COVID vaccine prevent transmission? 480 00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 8: The COVID vaccine can reduce viral load in individuals who 481 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:45,720 are positioning. 482 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 3: Does it prevent transmission? 483 00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:51,519 Speaker 8: When you have reduced viral load, you will have reduced transmission. 484 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,759 Speaker 3: But in other words, it doesn't prevent transmission. You can 485 00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:58,079 still transmit the virus if you've had the vaccine. In fact, 486 00:29:58,359 --> 00:30:03,960 there's been reduced ability to interfere with transmission over time, 487 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,480 and what we've found is the most recent one since 488 00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:10,000 Omicron is down around sixteen percent reduction. If there is 489 00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:14,240 a reduction. Does the COVID vaccine reduce hospitalization for children 490 00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:20,279 under eighteen? It can, it doesn't. The statistics are inconclusive. 491 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,039 And the reason you can't prove that it does is 492 00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:26,000 there's so few people under eighteen that go to the hospital. 493 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,960 The numbers are extraordinarily small. There's like seventy six million 494 00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:32,680 kids under eighteen in our country. One hundred and eighty 495 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,839 three died and a few thousand went to the hospital 496 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,880 in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, and since then 497 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,880 the numbers have dropped precipitously, and the idea and the 498 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,160 issue needs to be discussed. But the COVID vaccine is 499 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,440 not reducing hospitalization. It's not statistically significant. Does the COVID 500 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,440 vaccine reduce the rate of death for children under eighteen? 501 00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 5: It can? 502 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 3: Once again, it can. That's a ridiculous answer. No, it doesn't, 503 00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:59,960 and there is no statistical evidence that it does reduce 504 00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:02,599 the death rate. These are statistics. We've looked at it. 505 00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:06,039 When they approved it, they had this discussion at the 506 00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:09,680 Vaccine Committee that we've been talking about During the discussion, 507 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,599 they acknowledged that there was no proof of reduction in 508 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,599 hospitalization or in death. So what they did is they said, 509 00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:17,960 what can we use to try to make people take 510 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,960 this vaccine. They came up with this, They said that 511 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,839 if we give you a covid vaccine, you make antibodies. 512 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,440 So really, the whole recommendation for having a COVID vaccine 513 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,920 from six months up is not based on hospitalization data, 514 00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:34,960 not based on deaths. It's based on whether you make 515 00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:38,359 antibodies or not. And what people fail to see from 516 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,440 this is I can inject you with a foreign protein 517 00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:43,200 every week and measure your antibodies. You will make antibodies 518 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,039 every time. It just means immunology work has nothing to 519 00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:48,240 do with whether you should get a vaccine every week. 520 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,759 So when we're discussing the science here, we have to 521 00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:54,039 discuss what is the science in favor of giving a 522 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,119 vaccine to six month old and what are the benefits 523 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,400 from that? And there is no benefit of hospitalization or death, 524 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,039 and then what would the risks of the vaccine be. 525 00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:06,240 We have large population studies of the risks of the 526 00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:09,079 vaccine and younger people, and it turns out that You 527 00:32:09,119 --> 00:32:10,759 don't see this as much if you look at the 528 00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:14,319 general population. But once you start isolating in by age group, 529 00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:16,200 which you have to do in COVID because there's such 530 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,640 a disparity among age group, you find that there is 531 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,279 a risk of milcarditis a significant event and somewhere between 532 00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:25,279 six and eight and ten thousand. But that's much greater 533 00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:27,880 than the risk of hospitalization or death, which are not 534 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,680 even measurable because they're so small. So you resisted firing 535 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,400 people who have this idea that the COVID vaccine should 536 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,759 be at six months. That's what this is about. You 537 00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:42,720 didn't resist firing the beauty of the perfect, beautiful scientists 538 00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:46,440 that are a career people and unobjective and unbiased. You 539 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,079 wouldn't fire the people who are saying that we have 540 00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:53,000 to vaccinate our kids at six months of age. That's 541 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,160 who you refuse to fire. 542 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:02,839 Speaker 8: So that assertion is not commensurate with the experience that 543 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,200 I had with the individuals who are identified to be 544 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,720 fund Any of the people. 545 00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 3: You refused to fire, did any of the people you 546 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,039 can answer the question, did any of the people you 547 00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:14,680 refused to fire believe that we should change the vaccine schedule? 548 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,960 And no longer force six months old kids to take it. 549 00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:19,799 Every one of them was adamant. We should keep it 550 00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:22,240 at six months. Everybody's alarm, we're going to change the 551 00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:26,000 childhood routine. Well we should. There is no medical reason. 552 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,720 What is the medical reason to give a hepatitis B 553 00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:31,880 vaccine to a newborn whose mom has no hepatitis? 554 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 8: So none of the discussion points that you just brought 555 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:36,640 up wherever. 556 00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:41,279 Speaker 3: It that's changing the childhood schedule? Answer? Regular order, regular, 557 00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:44,279 your time? You have your time? Wordy, I got in mine. Look, 558 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,720 this is the debate over changing the childhood schedule. The 559 00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:51,799 hepatitis B vaccine on the schedule is given to newborns. 560 00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:56,559 What is the medical, scientific reason and proof for giving 561 00:33:56,599 --> 00:34:00,559 a newborn a hepatitis B vaccine if the mom is negative? 562 00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 8: I want to go back to the assertion association. 563 00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:08,679 Speaker 3: What is the medical reason for giving a hepatitis B 564 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,199 vaccine to a newborn? See, everybody's like blithely going along. 565 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,239 We can't change the childhood You're somehow terrible if you 566 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,239 want to change the childhood. We should be discussing what 567 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,559 is the childhood vaccine schedule? And you should be The 568 00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:24,360 burden should be on you. You want to make all the 569 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,360 kids take this. The burden is upon you and the 570 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,920 people you wouldn't fire to prove to us that we 571 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,599 need to give our six month old to COVID vaccine 572 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:34,239 and that we need to give our one day old 573 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,840 a hepatitis B vaccine. That's what the debate ought to 574 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,480 be about, not whether all vaccines are good or whether 575 00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:40,280 we live in alice. 576 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,079 Speaker 8: In the one len, I actually agree with you, and 577 00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:45,679 I was open to the science. I just would not 578 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,840 pre commit to approving all the ACIP recommendations without the science. 579 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 3: Untrue. 580 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: Okay, so where does that leave you? So Rand Paul, 581 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,880 by the way, is medical doctor, but he is an 582 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,719 eye doctor. And the doctor Mani is an immunologist who 583 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,559 deals with your im know your immune system and viruses. 584 00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:10,679 So and there you know he's just slamming her one 585 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,280 side and the other. So let's get a couple more 586 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,320 doctors in here. By the way, the reason why you 587 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:20,719 give a baby on his first day a hepatitis B shot? 588 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,440 Doctor Bill Cassidy, the chairman of this committee, will answer 589 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,440 that in a moment, But first let me get doctor 590 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,960 Sanjay Gupta in here to respond to what you just heard. 591 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,119 Speaker 11: Well, she wasn't really allowed to answer the questions, so 592 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:35,960 I don't know that it was an exchange as much 593 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,119 as a sort of a statement from from doctor Paul. 594 00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:41,800 He is a doctor, by the way. I think what 595 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,360 he was sort of getting at was the idea that 596 00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:48,079 what is the data show on the efficacy of vaccines 597 00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:51,400 for children? And he focused on COVID, he focused on 598 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,800 have B, But again she wasn't allowed to answer some 599 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,519 of those questions. There is evidence to show that people 600 00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:01,840 who received the COVID vaccin scene reduced their likelihood of 601 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:07,760 hospitalization and death. That benefit is lower as people become younger, 602 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,719 because they're less likely to get very sick in the 603 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,760 first place, but there's still benefit, much of which we 604 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,719 reported on for years, frankly after these vaccines rolled out. 605 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,280 But again, it would have been great to hear what 606 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,280 she had to say. Other things that sort of stuck 607 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,840 out to me was this ASIP meeting that's going to 608 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,400 take place tomorrow and Friday. The agenda for that was 609 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,039 set by political appointees, according to doctor Manaraz, something that 610 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:33,400 has not been done in at least a decade, probably ever, 611 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,800 but at least a decade. Also, the changing of the 612 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,679 childhood vaccine schedule, which really seems to be at the 613 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,480 heart of all these discussions. It appears that there was 614 00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:48,719 no data or science provided to doctor Manaras when she 615 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,079 was asked to sort of rubber stamp or preapprove some 616 00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:56,000 of these changes. So it was just she didn't see anything. 617 00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:59,000 She didn't hear what the recommendations were. She didn't see 618 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,199 any of the science that I dictate some of those 619 00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:04,960 future recommendations. So that was a little confusing, and I 620 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,639 think the last thing had sort of jumped out at me. 621 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,760 She said that Secretary Kennedy had been in regular communication 622 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,800 with President Trump, who agreed, at least according to what 623 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,280 we just heard, that President Trump agreed to changing the 624 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,679 childhood vaccine schedule. 625 00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:21,320 Speaker 3: That's something we had not heard before. 626 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,320 Speaker 1: All Right, one more politician. Doctor. This is a Bill Cassidy. 627 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,719 He is the chairman of the committee that was hearing 628 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,599 this today, and he's also a medical doctor. Let's see 629 00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:33,159 what he says. 630 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 9: One thing that reportably reportedly is going to be discussed 631 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,679 at the upcoming ACIP meeting is ending the recommendation for 632 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,800 the birth dose of hepatitis B vaccine. Now, again, this 633 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:48,159 was my practice for twenty years before I entered politics, more. 634 00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 3: Than ninety percent of infants. 635 00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:54,599 Speaker 9: Let me start over for those who say, why should 636 00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:57,840 a child be vaccinated for a sexually transmitted disease when 637 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,000 they're at birth. The child passed through the birth canal 638 00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:04,840 and is exposed to the same secretions as one would otherwise, 639 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,079 and that passage through the birth canal makes that child 640 00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:12,239 vulnerable to the virus being transmitted, not just hepatitis B. 641 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,719 It can be HIV, it can be other things. But 642 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,920 in terms of hepatitis B that happens if that child 643 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,320 is infected at birth, more than ninety percent of them 644 00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:28,760 develop chronic lifelong infection. Now we'll talk about the consequences 645 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,840 of that in a second. Before nineteen ninety one, as 646 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,360 many as twenty thousand babies babies were infected with hepatitis 647 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,880 B in the United States of America, and that change 648 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,199 when the hepatitis BE vaccine was approved for newborns. And 649 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,000 by the way, as doctor Menora says, this doesn't mandate. 650 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,840 Doesn't say you can't leave the hospital unless you get it. 651 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,599 It just says that if the mother accepts, then the 652 00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:55,760 insurance company has to pay. It's not mandated it's just 653 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,679 like Mama, if you think it's a good idea accepted. 654 00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:03,199 In the decade following approval of a birth dose of 655 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:08,320 hepatitis B, newborn infection of hepatitis B reduced by sixty 656 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,079 eight percent, as in the decade sets up to two 657 00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:16,119 thousand and one. Now fewer than twenty babies per year 658 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,800 get hepatitis B from their mother. That is an accomplishment 659 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,039 to make America healthy again. And we should stand up 660 00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:28,079 and salute the people that made that decision because there's 661 00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:32,599 people would otherwise be dead if those mothers were not 662 00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:36,119 given that option to have their job vaccinated. Now, by 663 00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:38,280 the way, there's some who said they've never seen it, 664 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,840 so therefore it cannot exist. I want to submit for 665 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,800 the record a link to an x thread in which 666 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:49,039 doctor James Wong from California shares his personal information. This doctor, 667 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:55,760 he was infected at birth. He developed cirrhosis. He almost died. 668 00:39:56,679 --> 00:40:00,000 Now because of modern medicine that hepatitis B virus is controlled, 669 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,719 but he has to get screened regularly and lives with 670 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,639 the specter of getting liver cancer because he got cirrhosis. 671 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,079 Speaker 3: When he's infected as a baby. It does occur. 672 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,039 Speaker 9: It occurs less often now, so we can argue, now 673 00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:15,920 that we've controlled it, do we let the genie out 674 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,079 of the bottle. If the recommendation goes away and a 675 00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:22,360 parent does want the vaccine, insurance will no longer cover 676 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,159 it free of charge. She'll be forced to pay out 677 00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:25,639 of pocket. 678 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,679 Speaker 1: So there you go. And as I started this, I said, 679 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:33,039 you're probably going to be confused. All you can do 680 00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:36,519 is just recommend talk to your doctor. Ask your doctor 681 00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:39,679 what you should be doing. I don't know get they're 682 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:45,960 disagreeing with each other. And Ran Paul and Sanjay Gupta 683 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:51,519 and doctor Maneries and doctor Cassidy, they all have different 684 00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:54,280 feelings about it, obviously, and if you're on the fence 685 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,519 about what to do, ask your doctor. So before we 686 00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:00,760 get out of here for today, one of the things 687 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,960 that I'd like to point out it rarely has even 688 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:10,679 talked about today, is Constitution Day. Yes, it is a 689 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:15,559 federal observance that recognizes the adoption of the US Constitution. 690 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,639 It normally observed on September seventeenth. Because it was on 691 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:26,239 this day in seventeen eighty seven yep. Seventeen eighty seven 692 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:31,760 Delegates to the Constitutional Convention signed the documents in Philadelphia, 693 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:37,199 So Happy Constitution Day to you on Wall Street. Today, 694 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,039 again they had to digest everything going on with the Fed. 695 00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:43,360 They did lower interest rates by a quarter of a percent, 696 00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:47,000 which was as expected. I'm sure the President is going 697 00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:49,719 to have some rousing to say about that because he 698 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,639 wanted more. Out of all of the FED governors that voted, 699 00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:56,880 there was only one who dissented, and that was the 700 00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:02,519 new guy, Stephen Myron, who was on the National Economic 701 00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:05,239 Council over at the White House. He was on Trump's 702 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,280 team and Trump nominated him. Today was his first yesterday 703 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,239 and today his first meeting. He was the only one 704 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:17,559 out of all of the FED officials who voted against 705 00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:21,280 a twenty five percent of quarter percent twenty five basis 706 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,440 points a quarter percent cut. He wanted a half a 707 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:30,559 percent cut. So he's already basically doing political work. Which 708 00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:34,000 is what makes Wall Street nervous about the FED, is 709 00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:36,840 that it will become a political vehicle. But when all 710 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,199 was said and done, the Dow was up, the rest 711 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,039 of the market was down. Dow was up two hundred 712 00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:48,320 and sixty to close at forty six thousand, eighteen s 713 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:53,000 ANDP down six NASDAK down seventy two, goal down thirty 714 00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:58,119 dollars to thirty six ninety four, and oil down fifty cents. 715 00:42:58,119 --> 00:43:02,280 It's at sixty three dollars some change. That's it for today. 716 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,199 Thanks for coming by. We will be here tomorrow. Hope 717 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:06,840 to see you then