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Had a nice morning walk listening to shot Shod Day,

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you know, took the dog out to take a shit,

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got some coffee, and now we're back. Welcome to the

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crime Page. But Bonnie does a podcast. I'm very excited

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for today's interview because it's with a guy whose videos

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I've been watching for quite a while. This is Raleigh

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Williams from the channel Climate Town. And you know, I

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got to say I've note about climate change obviously for

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a long time. You know, I was really I was

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a big fan of the geologic timeline. So I know

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that this is obviously happened before, not quite at this

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rate that we're doing it now. And I'm generally more concerned.

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I mean, climate change is a big fucking deal. You

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could see it. I mean I can see it firsthand

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everywhere I go to look at plants and around the globe,

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you see plants at lower elevations dying off and plants

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at higher elevations still thriving, for instance, on Sky Islands.

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It's one of many examples. I'm more concerned generally with

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habit that loss and the growing tumor of human development

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and just this like anthropocentric mindset we have. We're like, eh,

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fuck it, you know, is it is that plant beneficial

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to us? Can I eat it? Can I put it

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in my ass and make a medicine out of it?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Fuck it, get rid of it. You know, that kind

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of mentality. But it's been the last couple of years

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have been mind numbing for me because it's undoubtedly, I mean,

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it's just basic physics that CO two traps heat. You know, spectroscopy,

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you look at an absorption band CO two. You know,

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in the infrared part, the heat part of the electromagnetic spectrum,

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there's black bands. It's which means that CO two is

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absorbing right there, right, Like, this is just basic science.

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And the amount of fucking propaganda that I've seen, I mean,

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people just and granted this is mostly that I say,

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it's people just blatantly denying that the sky is blue,

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you know, or that oranges have vitamin C. It's like

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that same kind of thing. You know, it's it's it's wild,

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I mean, and you obviously this is what your whole

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channel is about. It's got to be maddening for you.

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So when I found your channel, I was like, this

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is fucking Thank god, there's like a voice of sanity

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that picks apart all this bullshit, which is very obviously

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oil company propaganda. So anyway, thank you for coming on

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the show, and now I'll let you talk. Sorry about

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that ramble.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me on the show, Joey.

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This is a real dream come true. I really appreciate it.

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And you're such a pro podcaster that I couldn't tell

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if that was the intro before you you like sort

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of brought the guests into the room, or if that

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was like part of your pattern. It was. It was unbelievable.

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I have no idea how you do this.

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Speaker 1: You just put a claim on me. Man, You let

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him go. He just rambles, He just won't shut up.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I was listening back to your old episodes

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to just sort of get a feel for what you

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do on this podcast. I mean, I know you're I'm

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familiar with your videos, but I didn't really realize that

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you had a whole pod dynasty over here. And my god,

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you know so many facts. Man, is fucking full of

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facts that you are able to just call up in

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a second. You could be a Jeopardy super superhero man

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I gave.

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Speaker 1: I get banned off the ship, you know, I let

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a couple Yeah, yeah, but no, I'm the self described

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daego windbag for sure. But but but yeah, man, I

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mean you have I think the first I've been watching

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videos for a while, but when I found like the

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Landman episode, you know, the show Landman on Paramount Plus,

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which I actually enjoyed, it's it's a good show.

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Speaker 2: One show. That's the thing. It's fun. You know, it's

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like it's a soap opera for men, and Lord knows

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then needs some soap operas, you know, like we've been

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buttoned up too long, we've been If you cram a

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man up, he starts a war, you gotta let him have.

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Speaker 1: It, exactly that those obsolete primate impulses to just go

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out and club things, you know, and.

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Speaker 2: Just focus them, focus them on the drama. Let the

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man cry, for God's sake, let him cry, Bob Thornton cry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But but it was you know, even I mean,

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there's a lot of bullshit in that show. There's like

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some really corny shit that are obviously very you know, cliched,

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because some with cringey takes. But the main thing but

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it's still an enjoyable show. It's when you want to

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to fucking I don't smoke weed, so I just got

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to fucking turn my mind off. I should probably be

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meditating instead. I just watched bullshit occasionally, you know, find

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Speaker 2: Funny that the two options for you are either meditating

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an ancient Buddhist technique or watching fucking land and those

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I was right, well, I rewatched

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episodes of The Sopranos for like six times, and that

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hits me, you know, close to the home. It's like

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a personal reminds me of my grandparents and my dad

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and shit. So but but there was the one episode

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on land Man where he's going on the fucking rant

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against the wind turbines, which is, you know, I live

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in Texas where those are like triggering for a lot

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of people of a certain persuasion, Like when the Texas

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freeze happened, they were trying to blame it on wind

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turbines and you're like, man, come on, what the fucking

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like this, you're obvi Get this is bullshit like this.

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Speaker 2: Do you have wind turbines in Antarctica? You know, like

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it's it gets I'm gonna say it. It gets colder there

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than it does in Texas, even in the winter, So

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like in this in American society at least, like the

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rest of the world seems. And I traveled to other

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places and they're like, oh yeah, climate change is real,

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like Seal two traps heat, there's just basic fucking physics.

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 1: Is the propaganda just that good? Are the seal Are

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the oil companies just so good at making us love

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COEO two and get? I mean there's other reasons to

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not to not like it too. It's fucking toxic. I mean,

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Speaker 2: See brain off. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, there's

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a lot of there's a lot of shit. My guess,

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sort of combination of American exceptionalism as a philosophy and

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the twenty four hour news cycle that had to just

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like make content or else they would have their lunch

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eaten by like TMZ or something, and just like running

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that flywheel over and over again about like America is

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great and everybody in America is like right, and everything

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you do is okay. And then the fucking fossil fuel

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inevitability of that confluence. Is my guess. If you're if

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Speaker 1: It's just wild because I mean you look, you look

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at you know ship Elon Musk of all people, was

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saying eight or nine years ago and he's like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he's just he's he's a he's

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a fucking goofy guy. You know, he's a goofy, but

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any of these people, but there are voices that a

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lot of people listen to, unfortunately, and and they're just

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there's no concern. It's just a gag. And like again,

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to the tailpipe thing, you know, Uh, there's a lot

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just CO two, you know. So yeah, man, I don't know,

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I guess I just you study this stuff and you

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make great videos about it. It's just it's easy to

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see what is your take on what's going on.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's a lot of different factors.

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industry is doing this thing, or hey, the fossil fuel industry,

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the classics industry or the chemical industry wanted to like

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sell an extra forty million units, so they put their

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even when we're not trying to do that. It's just like,

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have a nose for this bullshit now and know that

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oh yes, really.

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Speaker 2: People get it. They like they I think they're they're

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like kids are incredible bullshit detectors. Like you go on

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a plane or something and like the guy with his

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kid is like, oh yeah, buddy, that's so cool. That's awesome. Man.

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they're like clocking that we have effectively stolen their productive future.

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us all up and put us in some camps. You know,

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like these are these they they maybe they they maybe

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are would be right to do.

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Speaker 1: That Children of the Corn or something, you know, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you think kild you the corn is a

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climate story. Yeah, that'd be kind of cool.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're never going to own a house, We're

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never gonna have healthcare. You guys are shoveling all this

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bullshit down our throat. You know, it's everything's a con,

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everything's a ruse, everything's a scam.

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Speaker 3: So fuck you, guys, We're done. You know, it's just alsop.

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actively forty percent or something of the corn that's getting planted.

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Speaker 2: Is going to biofuels, which are not that useful to us,

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these Children of the Corn, Like, hey, why are we

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planting all this bullshit? This is destroying our ecosystem.

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to support the corn industry. Is that the whole reason

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that ethanol is a thing or why is that?

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Speaker 2: My understanding of why ethanol is a thing is that

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back in like two thousand and eight or something, when

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George Bush was president, we were going through some difficult

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fossil fuel times, like oil was hard to come by. Oh,

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must have been like two thousand and four or something,

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and we needed to make oil from more natural We

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needed to be able to get oil from someplace that

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wasn't the Middle East, because not because we were like

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good citizens, but because you know, we weren't able to

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control them because they had the oil and we were

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diti oil. This is there's like a speech that he

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that George W. Bush gives where it's like Americans are

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addicted to oil, Like he straight up says it, it's great.

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we were going to make biofuels, like some percentage of

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our fuels were going to come from biofuels, and so

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to like comply with this mandate and so we just

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made a ton of fuel from from corn ethanol.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's really not a good It doesn't

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make any sense when you look at it. You like,

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it's a kind of a shitty fuel. And there's massive

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amounts of land going to this and water and you

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know all the shit they spray on those I mean

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that I just through the Midwest like two months ago,

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and it's like dust bowl like when they're plowing the

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you know, you see all this. It looks like there's

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wildfires out. There's so much soil in the air being

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turned up from these machines, and you're like that can't

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be good. Like that's just destroying, Like there's no soil

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life like that fucking soil is dead and it's just

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blowing everywhere. You're like, yeah, this is what I mean,

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that's why the dustbeall happened. They tore up the prairies

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and the agriculture was not sustainable and so you know,

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get a couple of months of drought and suddenly your

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soil becomes airborne. So yeah, the ethanol thing's really weird. Man.

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doesn't make sense. I mean what doesn't make sense to me.

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And I think you've probably got a few videos on this.

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It's just the extreme car dependence and it's something me.

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always ranting about is the car, Like everything is designed

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for the car here, and it's it causes multiple health problems,

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not to mention psychological problems. And it's it's also obviously

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like a big scam because it gets people addicted to oil.

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especially in the sun Belt the lower latitude United States.

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Speaker 2: Mmmm, yeah, yeah, I mean so I'm in I'm in Brooklyn,

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and I think it's this weird trade off where I

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don't have access to nature in a real way. Like

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there's a couple of parks near my house. I have

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a dog and I'll take her to the park pretty regularly,

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and like that's my only little injection of nature. Like

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you know, I like tie off my arm and put

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a forty six seeds of prospect park into my blood,

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and like that's got to sustain me. And I can

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feel my I can fuel the depression set in when

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I'm not around nature. But at the same time, I

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haven't gotten into a car in two weeks, you know,

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like I don't need to drive anywhere. It's like such

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an amazing experience. And like I basically don't need to

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go to the gym because I'm walking everywhere. I Yeah,

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my friends that my friends came over this morning and

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we like try to work out a couple of times

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a week. Not we don't always do it. We did it.

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We I don't know how it happened, but we did

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an exercise that was just we just called it oops

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all warm ups and we didn't do any real lift.

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We just did all warm ups for an.

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Speaker 1: Hour, you know, and then after had twenty minutes, we're

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hitting the bong and pulling tubes and you know, it

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was listening to the birds. But yeah, like would you

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you know, I think about that, Like conversely, if you

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lived in a place like Houston where you're trapped in

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a car and there is no public transit and biking

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is dangerous because the drivers are so oblivious or aggressive,

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you know, would you I think you'd be more depressed,

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Like would you rather live in Houston or Brooklyn? You know,

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assuming like saying Brooklyn was affordable. I think many people

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would choose Brooklyn. It's a denser city. You're doing what

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humans evolved to do, which is move, not sit on

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your ass in a car for three hours of day.

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You know. Like that's yeah, man, I mean it's a

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trade off. There's no nature. But that could be fixed too,

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if people build cities with you know, like nature preserves

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in them, that would serve multiple purposes, not just for

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not just for places for humans to go enjoy and

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birdwatch or whatever the fuck, but to actually filter the air,

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to you know, help water infiltrate the ground, provent flooding,

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that kind of thing. I mean, you know, the the

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the pragmatic services, pragmatic services of plants. You know. But

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I don't know, man, I just just spitball in here

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and that's all, you know. I just I wonder about

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that because it's the car dominance is such a you know,

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and did you have you done videos on that on

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like the National city lines thing of the nineteen fifties

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buying up the bus lane or buying up the street

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cars and turn them into buses and kind of.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we had a we had a video about

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I think the title is like how the auto industry

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carjacked the American dream or something was back when we

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were doing like real cute s quts titles. Yeah, but yeah,

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it was. It was I mean largely about uh, General

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Motors and Alfred Sloan and like the the guy who

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ran General Motors left General Motors to become the Secretary

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of State and then went back to General Motors. Oh God,

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and this quote on the record, this quote on the

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record that's like what's good for General Motors is good

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for the American people and vice versa.

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Speaker 1: Damn.

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Speaker 2: So we just like, I mean, it was it was

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like fucking crony crony capitalism from the jump, Like America

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never had a chance because like we were a newer

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country that was like coming of age right as automobiles

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were just getting like trucked off the assembly line. And also, oh,

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the fucked up thing that I always think about is

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like any any money that's any like federal dollars that

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go to transportation are allocated in a ninety percent to

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automobile ten percent to public transportation ratio, Jesus, And it's

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just like there's it's like trying to catch up with

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the rest of the world by going attent the speed

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is them and it's just like I don't know, man,

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I don't. I don't understand how we're gonna, like we

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keep on building infrastructure, and that's like the moment you

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put a shovel in the ground to like expand a highway.

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You're putting millions of dollars into this thing, and then

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it becomes like a colossal failure if you don't use it,

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you know, or like committing ourselves to continuing this thing.

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And I don't, I don't really know what the what

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the solution around it besides like somebody investing heavily in

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like buses and then private I guess private companies coming

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up with high speed rail between like Vegas and La

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or something.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just you know, the like where I live,

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people don't even have the option to bike. It's fucking terrifying,

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Like people biking is something that poor people do or

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that like rich people do on like a bike trail,

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Like poor people will bike, yeah, you know, on the

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sidewalk here because it's too terrify find to bike on

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the I t I'll tell you my solution to biking

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here in a minute, because I still fucking bike, but

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I go hyper aggressive with it. I carry a holstered

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baseball bat that I've wrapped like reflective tape around. I

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hold it in my left hand while I'm in the

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fucking lane being like, come on, hit me, motherfucker hit me,

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you know, like hit me. You could hit me, but

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I'll take out a fucking fender, you know, headlight or something,

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and it.

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Speaker 2: Ultimate stand your ground.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it works. People stay the fuck away. They

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keep a wide berth. They go right around me. And

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it said like an orange aluminum bat too, so I

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make sure they see it. But and I just I

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just done holster when I'm on like busy roads otherwise,

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and I could still bike pretty fast. But you know,

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there's not even like if there were like a crosstown

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bike path that people could actually use for transportation, like

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i've I was in College Park, Maryland. I saw that

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same thing, Like there was a bike path like kind

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of uh parallel to the main road, but half a

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mile inland and it's like nature natury area that was

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still like trees and had never been developed, and it

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went the same place the road did. So it was

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for college kids, of course.

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Speaker 2: I mean this is the thing like people people always

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pine for their college days have you heard this before.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: People are always like, oh, I really liked it when

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I was in college. Man, I wish I could like

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be back in college. And it's like, well, it's not

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you didn't like college because it was like college. You

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liked it because it was the only place you've ever

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lived that's been like a walkable, dense urban environment where

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like you go everywhere on foot, you live near people,

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there's like a couple of common spaces. There's grass for

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people to hang out at, but you don't have to

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like tend to fucking lawn all the time. I don't know.

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It's just yeah, it's like this is the same thing

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like people who go on vacation to Europe and they're like, wow,

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I can eat all I want. I never get getting

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any weight. It's like, yeah, because you're walking five or

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six miles a day and you're feeling great and like

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the air is kind of fresher.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, it's just it's it's it's weird how we can

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constantly like have this realization but never come to the

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conclusion that we could have that in our own country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. It's it's called being bamboozled. It's called

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not realizing like how all this should happen. I mean,

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it's you know, I remember people talking about the obesity

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epidemic here. I just remember reading like the comments section

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on some fucking posts someone made, and it was like, yeah,

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people are people are learning to give up seed oils.

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Speaker 4: And it's not the seed oils. It's the fucking you've

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turned ever, You've made walking obsolete. It's not the fucking

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seed oils, pal, It's that you're stuck in a car

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for fucking five hours a day when you're not at work.

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Speaker 1: Like that's it's not the seed oils, buddy, You've got

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to get out, you know. But when we need the exercise,

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we just go to the gym and listen, you know,

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listen to bad music and smell off gasing plastic. And

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that's where you get your exercise.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: You don't get it just from your day to day life.

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It's it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And like, heart disease is like mowing down wave

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after wave of Americans and we're like, why are all

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of our hearts not working that well?

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Speaker 1: Well? You live on yeah, you live on Chick fil A,

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Rby's and Burger King, and then you fucking don't move

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so you know, like going to the gym for forty

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five minutes is not going to cut it. Man, that's

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you need more than that. But but anyway, okay, well

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moving right along. There's another video you had recently, and

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I feel for you because you had to watch Joe

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Rogan to make this this video. Joe Rogan doesn't understand

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grass is the name? What was tell us what this

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video was about?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this this this great, Like there's this great

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podcast called the Joe Rogan Experience and it's really no,

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it's yeah. I mean, he's he's the number one podcaster

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in the world by a long shot, you know, Like

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I think the next three podcasts underneath him added up

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don't even equal as many listeners as Joe Rogan has.

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So he's obviously just like insane voice to the masses

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in the United States and abroad. And I guess I

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kept on seeing these clips of like Joe Rogan pulling

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up a graph from the Washington Post and like telling

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people that, oh, yeah, this, did you see this Washington

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Post graph that like kind of disproves climate change? And

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I was like, what, the Washington Post disproved climate change?

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Speaker 1: That's crazy?

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Speaker 2: And so I excuse me, and so I like looked

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at the article and it's it says the opposite of that.

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00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,359
It's like, yeah, actually, climate change is like really bad

473
00:23:28,519 --> 00:23:34,279
right now. Obviously, like the carbon record of the history

474
00:23:34,279 --> 00:23:37,680
of the planet is like interesting in spikes and drops,

475
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,480
but like right now it's spiking harder than it's ever

476
00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:43,720
spiked ever in the history of the planet. We should

477
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,880
really be worried. And it's this giant like CO two

478
00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:49,200
is the control knob. It like says all this shit

479
00:23:49,279 --> 00:23:53,200
in the article, and Joe Rogan brought like just saw

480
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,960
the graph and because the graph has shows like times

481
00:23:58,039 --> 00:24:01,039
in the Earth's history where carbon dioxide level were way higher,

482
00:24:01,799 --> 00:24:04,039
he just looked at the graph and just look at

483
00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:08,039
the title, which is like here's the surprising place we

484
00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:12,079
are now about like global CO two or something. And

485
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,240
he just decided that the article said this because the

486
00:24:16,279 --> 00:24:20,000
graph looked a certain way, and then he brought it up,

487
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,400
like honestly six different times to various people on his show,

488
00:24:25,599 --> 00:24:27,839
Like anytime the topic of climate change came up on

489
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,680
his show, it was like, did you see that Washington

490
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,160
Post article that disproves climate change? Did you see that

491
00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:37,039
Washington and it's like people aren't gonna like and you

492
00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:39,119
have to sort of imagine what it's like to be

493
00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:42,720
on Joe Rogan's podcast because he'll like say a thing

494
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,920
and then his guy will bring it up on the

495
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,960
big screen. But they don't then sit and read the

496
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,880
article together and like, oh yeah, let me look that

497
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,240
like citation up, or let me like read through this

498
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,200
text and see what the article says. They just take

499
00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:02,440
Joe Rogan's work for it, and it's like.

500
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 1: It's like anything that like the rate, like that's just

501
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,680
basic logic and that's that this has been explained many times,

502
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,119
like all the cloud, it's always changing, yeah, but it's

503
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,400
changing faster than it did like the Paleocene has seen

504
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,839
thermal maximum you know sixty sixty to fifty five million

505
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,880
years ago when they were alligators in fucking Wyoming, Like

506
00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:23,519
you know, it's.

507
00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 2: Changing faster, thousands of times faster. Yeah, like not even then,

508
00:25:27,319 --> 00:25:31,039
the fastest it's ever changed, Like and that's in the article.

509
00:25:31,079 --> 00:25:34,039
And he didn't read down to paragraph two. He just

510
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,119
looked at the graph and was like, got it not

511
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:36,960
a problem.

512
00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: Like I grew up in Chicago, and I remember October

513
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,359
and November being really cold, and it was fucking sixty

514
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,400
five degrees five days ago. It's it's November twenty fourth.

515
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,039
I mean, it's weird. It's getting fucking weird. It's definitely

516
00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:54,839
it's always more pronounced at the higher latitudes, further away

517
00:25:54,839 --> 00:25:56,680
from the equator. That's where most of the warming is

518
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,640
going to be. Like we know, the jet streams destabilizing.

519
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,720
That's why I that's what was partially responsible for the

520
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,960
Texas freeze was that this stable you know, all that

521
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,759
polar era that's normally kept up top, all this up

522
00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:11,119
up at the higher latitudes coming down because the jet

523
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,359
streams unstable because of warming at the mid latitudes and

524
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,200
high and slightly highlighted. You know. It's it's uh, it's

525
00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:20,880
just nuts. It's like the again, it's it's the rate

526
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,559
in which is happening. Man Like life can't adapt, especially

527
00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:26,599
when we've carved up all the land, the land, most

528
00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:29,480
of the land masks into roads and cities and agriculture.

529
00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:32,319
And I mean it's a mass it's a mass extinction.

530
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,440
Like so many things are imperiled right now. And imagine

531
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,559
you're just some kid, you're like twenty years old, maybe

532
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:41,319
you work in an auto supply store. You listen to

533
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,400
Joe Rogan and you hear that, and the takeaway is

534
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,720
without picking it apart of looking at you're like, oh ah,

535
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,680
climate change is in real fuck it? Who cares?

536
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 2: You know, It's like and six times Like That's the

537
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,240
thing that really got me was like I went back

538
00:26:55,599 --> 00:26:57,880
from the from the day the article was published. I

539
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,480
went back and like got a transfer of every podcast

540
00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:05,640
he produced. And by the way, this motherfucker is making content.

541
00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:08,640
I don't know how often you're dropping episodes, but he's

542
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,960
doing like two three and a half hour episodes every week,

543
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:18,160
sometimes three. It's like unbelievable the amount this man can

544
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,039
crank out. But yeah, he's so he's like so so

545
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,480
he brought it up to Mel Gibson when mel Gibson

546
00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:29,000
was like, yeah, they say that the ice caps are melting,

547
00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:31,880
but if you put ice in your glass and it melts,

548
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,640
it doesn't overflow. It's just like these weird old like

549
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:42,599
many many generations disproved climate denial talking points that I

550
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:48,119
know for a fact, Joe Rogan has heard the answer

551
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,400
to you know, like he knows that it's about the

552
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,680
rate of change. He's had climate scientists on his show.

553
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,240
He knows that the pole like, it's not the sea ice,

554
00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:01,839
it's the land. The ice that's melting that's gonna raise

555
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,319
sea level temperature, sea level heights.

556
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,319
Speaker 1: And he just I.

557
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 2: Guess forgets or I guess he's just like whoever I'm

558
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:12,759
talking to right now, that's who I'm gonna believe on everything.

559
00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:14,799
Speaker 1: Do you think he's getting paid? Like, do you think

560
00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:17,079
it wouldn't be obvious? Of course it wouldn't be like

561
00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:19,680
here's here's five million dollars talk about this, but it

562
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,920
would probably you know the way that the people lobby,

563
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,960
corporation's lobby, they kind of lobby pay you for your

564
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,039
time or they say we'll do this, and they kind

565
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:29,200
of it's soft, you know, it's not blatant. But do

566
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,160
you think he's getting paid.

567
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I really don't. And I also

568
00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:37,799
don't think Taylor Sheridan, the writer of Landman, is like

569
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,480
making any considerable money, if any, from the fossil fuel industry.

570
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

571
00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 2: I think this is the like kind of this is

572
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:52,039
the result of three or four decades of fossil fuel

573
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:56,279
industry propaganda. Yeah, tons of different places. Like I mean,

574
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,039
I'm in my office right now, and I have this.

575
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:02,799
This books is called Petro Pete's Big Bad Dream. So

576
00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:06,759
it's called Petro Pete. It's from the Oklahoma Energy Resources Board.

577
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,119
It's about this little little kid who loves oil and

578
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,039
gas and it's created by an oil and gas lobby

579
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,240
and put in Oklahoma public schools for kids to read

580
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:19,720
and for teachers to read to the care.

581
00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:21,839
Speaker 1: That sounds like a fucking like you could do a

582
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,839
hilarious spoof on that. God, that would be hilarious crazy.

583
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like it's it's all the ship that

584
00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:33,160
like real radical right wing lunatics are saying the left

585
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,680
is doing. You know, it's like they're in our schools.

586
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,440
They're brainwater. They're transing all the kids.

587
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,079
Speaker 1: And drag queens. There's a fucking blottom and drag queen

588
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,400
migrant tread. It actually sounds kind of fun, you know.

589
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:47,920
That sounds like a fucking party. Drag queens can be

590
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,160
real fun. Yeah. We used to go to the.

591
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: Bottom all and drag queens. You know those are that's

592
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,079
gotta be the best car.

593
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:56,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. We I used to go to this drag bar

594
00:29:57,079 --> 00:30:00,279
called the Aunt Charlie's Lounge in the Tunderloin and we

595
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,640
get fucking hammered. The only time I ever tried the

596
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,240
bike across the Bay Bridge, I got I was at

597
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,480
fucking I missed bart and I was pissed off, you know,

598
00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:10,480
the rapid trans outing, and I was hammering and this

599
00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:13,079
is I'm sober now you don't, thank God handy gun.

600
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,440
But back then I used to fucking really put them

601
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,319
down and I got hammered those fucking the bartender was

602
00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:20,599
making these stiff drinks, not even charging at the end

603
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,480
of the you know, because everyone was fucking hammered, and

604
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,039
it was they were they were doing shot day covers,

605
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:28,240
they were doing everything. Miss Aurora Styles was up there

606
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,880
and I tried the bike across the Bay Bridge and

607
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,000
I didn't get arrested. The cops stopped me, but they

608
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,599
didn't arrest me. It was very kind of them, but

609
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,160
that was anyway. Sorry, but uh but yeah, the propaganda

610
00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:41,799
level is it's nuts, man, It's crazy. It's just crazy.

611
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:44,319
Speaker 2: It's like that, I mean, and it's like soaked into

612
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:47,359
our lizard brain to the extent that you don't even

613
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,359
have to fucking pay Joe Rogan, he will just do

614
00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:54,880
your propaganda for you, because that's like we've just been

615
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,200
marinating in it for so long. And also like there

616
00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:03,079
there's obviously culture work going on and for for like,

617
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,039
for whatever reason, it just got kind of sucked into

618
00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:11,279
the culture where I'm guessing that was not not zero

619
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,680
percent to do with some clever oil marketing about like

620
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:20,480
oil being manly and engines being loud and like freeloaders

621
00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:22,799
don't know how good they got it, you know, all

622
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:25,759
this all this ship like that feels pretty oily. But

623
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:28,799
I'm not you know, I'm not positive about that. But

624
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:32,960
like once you get into that culture cycle and your

625
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:36,400
party gets in power or not even that, like I

626
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,200
mean the oil industry is donating to like every fucking

627
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,160
person in Congress. But yeah, I think like if you can,

628
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,319
if you can kind of catch a wave of like

629
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:52,079
toxic masculinity and like radical exceptionalism, you can really ride that.

630
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:56,200
And and they don't care like who they're they're marketing to,

631
00:31:56,359 --> 00:31:58,240
like they just want to stay on top, you know,

632
00:31:58,319 --> 00:31:59,720
Like I think this is this is the other thing

633
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,799
that I keep on learning, like this is a sort

634
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:11,160
of an evolution of a bunch of different people all

635
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:14,079
trying to get rich, you know, like this is not

636
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:20,720
it's like an hybrid kind of many headed monster that's

637
00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:25,200
simultaneously conscious and just a figment of the imagination of

638
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,279
a bunch of executives. And it's like got a life

639
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:30,920
of its own well, and you know, it's not evil,

640
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:35,119
Like on its face, the result is evil, but it's

641
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,680
just self preservation oriented. And I think that's like that's

642
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,279
even harder to combat because it doesn't really have a

643
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:45,759
motivation besides like, oh, I've already existed, I want to

644
00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:47,920
keep existing, and that scares me.

645
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: The I think a lot of it too, is just

646
00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:54,319
it's just cultural indoctrination. It's I mean, at the end

647
00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:56,279
of the day, I mean people think humans have free

648
00:32:56,359 --> 00:32:58,880
will and that we're all individually. We're not. We're not.

649
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:02,000
We're most of the people. But you're born the you know,

650
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:05,079
the human animal, the Homo sapings, this is a primate.

651
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,119
We're social animals. We want validation and you know, conformity,

652
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,160
and we want to feel a part of our peer group.

653
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,319
And so people don't think deeply about a lot of things.

654
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:18,079
They don't critically analyze things, they don't look at the information.

655
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,519
Most people don't, I mean ninety five percent of people

656
00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:23,640
in my experience as a fucking forty three year old man.

657
00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:26,240
They don't do that. They just my buddy said this,

658
00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:28,759
that's what I think. You know, climate change is gay

659
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,960
the time, caring about caring about climate change.

660
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,119
Speaker 2: She's definitely gay. That's true. That's really true.

661
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:37,119
Speaker 1: Caring about climate change is woke and gay. I don't

662
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,839
It's just I don't care about it. I'm not going

663
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,400
to say that because I don't want to be viewed

664
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,880
as a pussy or what you know. I think that's

665
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,200
especially since moving to Texas. You know, uh, bless their

666
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,319
hearts here. But as they say, but that's just definitely

667
00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:53,319
something I see people don't. You know, are you going

668
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,960
to think critically and say something that might upset your

669
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:56,559
social group?

670
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:56,839
Speaker 2: Fuck?

671
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,759
Speaker 1: No, left or right. You're not going. Yeah, no, left

672
00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:01,559
or You're not going to do that. You're gonna go

673
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,680
You might might speak up and say something a little bit,

674
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,559
and then it gets shut down. You're like, Okay, yeah,

675
00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:09,039
you're right, I'll toe the line. I want friends, you know,

676
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:10,880
And so that's the way it goes.

677
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:14,119
Speaker 2: It's and that's like I think that really is kind

678
00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:17,400
of cutting straight to the heart of this where we

679
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,039
need to be accepted. We don't want to be kicked

680
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:22,719
out of the tree because then we're like die on that.

681
00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:25,599
I don't, I don't. I don't quite know where my

682
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:28,960
metaphor is going, but like, yeah, we're like social creatures

683
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,320
and uh and we need to be liked or else

684
00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:35,960
it could be the last thing we ever do, you know.

685
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:41,840
And so it is so coded for to just like

686
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,159
go with the flow, and sadly that's like that just

687
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,559
makes it easier to manipulate. Mass is like you know,

688
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,079
massive amounts of people, and I think, like, yeah, to

689
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:56,079
their credit, I'm not trying to like look up every

690
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,280
single thing I do to make sure it's the right

691
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,760
thing to do, you know, Like I don't when I

692
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,559
when I didn't when I got my dog, I wasn't like, well,

693
00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:05,519
I mean, let me just double check that this kind

694
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:08,519
of breed of dog isn't like problematic in some way

695
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:12,199
or like doesn't like yeah, whatever, I like the dog,

696
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,400
and I'll like fucking walk this dog around.

697
00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: Well, it's probably going to report that to the chat group.

698
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,360
Now that's really problematic.

699
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 2: Which you did.

700
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna I'm gonna just your social life is

701
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,079
it's going to be destroyed. I'm gonna make sure, I

702
00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:26,320
see you, but uh, you know, I think I think

703
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,119
what what scares me is that how easy it is

704
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:32,920
to sway public opinion just by politicizing something or making

705
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,280
it culturally charged. And for me, for the ship that

706
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,679
I do, which is killing lawns and getting people to

707
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,599
you know, embrace the plants where they live and stop,

708
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,639
you know, like where I live, stop planting fucking Washingtonia

709
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,719
palms everywhere, and embrace like the thorn scrub, the native

710
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,559
habitat here, or if you live in the Midwest, embrace

711
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:55,000
the prairie or the northeast woods or the fucking sonory.

712
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,039
Embrace those things, you know, and get rid of your lung.

713
00:35:58,039 --> 00:35:59,960
Because the turf grass thing, which I want to talk

714
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,599
talk about to you had a video on that fucking

715
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:03,119
great video by the way, thanks for the shut up.

716
00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:04,679
Speaker 2: Of course.

717
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: You know, I worry that at some point that's going

718
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,440
to be politicized and they're going to come for that,

719
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:11,639
you know, and like wanting to kill your lawn is

720
00:36:11,679 --> 00:36:14,679
going to be viewed as woke, and you know, like

721
00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:16,119
I don't, I don't know.

722
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:18,639
Speaker 2: It is it already is? I think I think you're

723
00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:21,920
like you're so early to the to the party that

724
00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:25,599
it's probably not considered that woke, and I think honestly,

725
00:36:26,119 --> 00:36:31,000
the service you are doing to prevent it from, you know,

726
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:33,760
like getting into the woke echelon by looking the way

727
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,159
you do and talking the way you do and being

728
00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:38,880
the way you are and also being like and this

729
00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:42,079
is bad for everybody. I don't know, I think like

730
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,159
it like just talking to you on the phone, it's like,

731
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:51,840
I I forget that you are so obviously on the

732
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,119
right side of this, you know, like you have such

733
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:56,400
an incredible accent and like, I don't know, you just

734
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,840
you don't you don't cut the shape of a radical

735
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:02,760
collogists that I think a lot of people think.

736
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,559
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I'm not an environmentalist. I don't identify as

737
00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:06,800
environmentalist at all.

738
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: That's not yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know. I

739
00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:13,679
think that certainly that term has gotten gotten charged. But

740
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,880
I do think that if you were to ask somebody like, hey,

741
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:21,119
you're a person in the suburb, do you want to

742
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:24,199
tear up your lawn because it's bad for you, know,

743
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,519
like you and the people around you, I think that

744
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:31,599
would probably be viewed as like a progressive, borderline environmentalist

745
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,239
thing to do. Yeah, I guess right, yeah, but like

746
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,159
and yet it's like, so it's so deeply backed up

747
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:40,960
by all the evidence, all the like the health benefits.

748
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,079
It's I mean, it's it's it's insane. How many signs

749
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:47,480
there are points into like don't plant this non native

750
00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:50,800
monoculture all over your you know, where you live.

751
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: Well, for me, it's well, I try not to moralize

752
00:37:55,519 --> 00:37:57,519
it too, And that's what I tell people. You know,

753
00:37:57,559 --> 00:37:59,800
It's like, this isn't like a feel good patch yourself

754
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,280
on a look at all the cool shit that comes

755
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,519
back to your yard, all the dope shit that comes

756
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:06,679
back to your yard when you get rid of this

757
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,960
boring desert that you're it's literally, yeah, like you said,

758
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,440
America's dumbest crappy. You don't get anything out of it.

759
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,960
It's not no one plays on it. It's a fucking

760
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,519
pan the ass to keep it alive in a lot

761
00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:17,960
of places because it requires too much water, or it's

762
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,760
just a monoculture that's open to insects and other fungui

763
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,320
that will come exploit it because there's no diversity in there,

764
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,239
so they just come, you know, And and it's stressed

765
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,920
anyway because you're keeping this thing perpetually bonds eyed at

766
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,840
two inches of three inches of leaf blade whatever. You know.

767
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,480
So just and you know, I want people to just

768
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,079
connect with the life around them, like like I get

769
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:39,000
distracted walking in my truck. I see all kinds of

770
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,239
cool insects, cool birds, cool shit going on, like, and

771
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,000
that fulfills people. That's in our fucking genome. It's right

772
00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:47,679
or left, whatever, it feels good. That's in our human

773
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,039
genome to have a relationship with the life around us.

774
00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:51,880
That's what the way we lived for three hundred thousand

775
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,840
years as a species, and probably you know Homo erectus

776
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,320
before that, when we were clubbing each other and fucking

777
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,559
banging in caves whatever. So you know, well, but I

778
00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:04,679
forget I fuck up sometimes too, because I like leave

779
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,800
it to Facebook. Of course I have this Facebook page.

780
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,639
I didn't create it. Some company created for me and

781
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:10,880
then they abandoned it later when they were making money

782
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,480
off of it. But I have got this Facebook page,

783
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:15,039
and it's obviously a different social group. It's a different

784
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:17,519
demographic that U just Facebook as opposed to TikTok or

785
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:20,679
Instagram whatever. And I put a drawing of Pam Bondy

786
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,599
I did, which I just I know nothing there. It

787
00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:26,159
just said Pam. It was a picture of pambondy. She

788
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,840
looks kind of funny. I would do the same thing

789
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,039
to a Democrat that had a laminated face and so

790
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:35,159
and I put it up there, and I got like angry,

791
00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:37,480
you know, from people you would expect, like boomers that

792
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:39,519
live in Florida being like yeah, I hear a fuck

793
00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:42,039
you know, blah blah blah, and and I was like whoa.

794
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,920
It's like, damn, did I fuck up? Like cause this

795
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:48,039
is funny to me. But like I also, I'm trying

796
00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:50,559
to recruit these people, Like I'm not trying to make

797
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:53,239
a stand for no, I'm trying to recruit these people

798
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,480
criminal mentality. Get them in there, get them into my

799
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:58,079
fucking cult so that they realize how much the lawn

800
00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:00,639
sucks and it shouldn't be politicized anyway, and then they

801
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:03,719
can recreate the native habitat. Maybe they'll want to speak

802
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,760
up for a native parcel of habitat if it gets

803
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,719
destroyed near them at some point. Whatever. So I was,

804
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:10,960
I don't know, it just made me think. I was

805
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,480
like maybe I should there is a point to toning

806
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:15,199
down some of this shit. I don't even want to

807
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,480
wade into it. But whatever I mean it was, I think.

808
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,599
Speaker 2: That's I mean, that's really that's really salient. I think

809
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:26,239
the idea of you're trying to sort of radicalize people

810
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,960
who you wouldn't expect to be radicalized, like in sort

811
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,039
of in the way that you yourself are a radicalized

812
00:40:33,159 --> 00:40:35,679
version of somebody you wouldn't expect to be radicalized, Like

813
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,400
you are kind of the perfect messenger to do this

814
00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:41,760
because you're not who they expect, and so their their

815
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:46,000
guard isn't up and they're not like immediately ticking off

816
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,159
all the reasons why you don't know what you're talking about. Yeah,

817
00:40:49,159 --> 00:40:51,639
so I don't know. I think I think, like, although

818
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,639
I'm sure it was a very funny picture of Pam

819
00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:57,199
BONDI and I would really appreciate it. I think it's

820
00:40:57,199 --> 00:40:59,920
probably not a bad idea to try to like temper

821
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:05,840
your you know, particular edges on various platforms.

822
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,039
Speaker 1: Well do and I'll do a drawing to Joe Biden

823
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:10,400
looking like a course, you know, I'll make him feel

824
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:11,199
better whatever.

825
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 2: You know, the fucking met Joe Biden? Did you really

826
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:18,000
I got invited to the White House to do to

827
00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:22,159
like they invited a bunch of influencers to the White

828
00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:26,800
House who cover anything climate related or related. Yeah, and

829
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,920
so because they when they passed the Inflation Reduction Act,

830
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,840
so they like reached out to me. And I went

831
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,199
to the White House and I met Joe Biden. Damn,

832
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,920
that's hilarious, really fucking crazy he is. He was the

833
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,400
world's oldest man. I cannot believe that we let that guy,

834
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,840
you know, like run for a second term.

835
00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: You know, I watched that that debate and I was

836
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,599
just I was like crying, laughing and also and also crying.

837
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:56,800
I'm like, fuck, man, this is so it's over, Like

838
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,800
this is so bad. Uh Yeah, I mean, you know,

839
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,599
they couldn't come up with anything better. So anyway, but

840
00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:07,159
tell me, though, did they have like a nice refreshment table,

841
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,880
Like was there a fruit spread with like the deli

842
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,440
trays and some coffee when you went? Did they have

843
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,320
stuff like that or No?

844
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 2: There was nothing. I think the only food that we

845
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:25,280
got was a White House brand M and m's. So

846
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:26,880
every time you go to the White House, to give

847
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,599
you a little white box of White House M and ms.

848
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:37,119
And it's possible there was some kind of uh refreshment somewhere.

849
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:39,400
But I went there was like a ceremony in the

850
00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:43,400
rose Garden, which I guess now is like not rubble.

851
00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:46,239
That one is like a paved surface and then the

852
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,039
other part is all rubble. But then I went, I

853
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:52,280
just uh. I went to I think it was a

854
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:57,360
macaroni grill and got an espresso martini to like cheer

855
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,599
myself up from the day.

856
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:03,039
Speaker 1: Yeah. I went of the Netflix headquarters in La once

857
00:43:03,199 --> 00:43:05,000
because they was trying to pitch some show. This is

858
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,079
like pre COVID. This some development or production company was

859
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:10,760
trying to like make some time on what I did whatever.

860
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,280
And I was like, it's good, it's not gonna work.

861
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,559
Good luck. But anyway, we went to the Netflix and

862
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:17,199
I tell you the fucking like little they have this.

863
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,159
They used to They probably got rid of it now,

864
00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:21,480
but they used to have this. There was coffee, there

865
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:24,000
was all kinds of treats. I was like filling my pockets.

866
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,880
I was like, holy shit, and they were like it's

867
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:28,320
the guy was with who worked for the production compan

868
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,840
was like, Okay, it's time to go. They're calling us soon.

869
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,639
I was like, hold on, wait, wait, let me let

870
00:43:31,679 --> 00:43:33,880
me fill up my central fuck this.

871
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 2: Rob Netflix blind, but this is prime Netflix. This is

872
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,360
like Stranger Things. One was dropping and they fell on

873
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,360
top of the world. They're crushing network television like we

874
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:46,039
will never.

875
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: Die, you know, post posting fliction. I'm sure they probably

876
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,119
don't do the little refreshment's table anymore.

877
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:55,639
Speaker 2: But well after you came through, clean the whole place out.

878
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: But how did you? I was I was filling up

879
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,840
like that, was double handing cups of coffee, you know,

880
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,400
like one for the road type shit like this is hey,

881
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,639
this is free yo, Chicago, Chicago's we love free stuff.

882
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:09,559
We love free school.

883
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 2: You said free, you said it was free. So I'm

884
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,159
not I'm not the weird one.

885
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: I want to ask. I want to ask you, though,

886
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,639
so how how did you get into all this stuff?

887
00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:23,440
Like you, what is your background? How'd you start down

888
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,000
this path?

889
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,519
Speaker 2: So weirdly? I got into it because I was a

890
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:31,920
Billiard's influencer. So my favorite fucking thing in the world

891
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,400
is pool. I love it. That's amazing, this is I

892
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,639
love it so much. I I moved to New York.

893
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,000
I was like doing improv and stand up and it's

894
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:44,559
doing comedy in Denver, and I moved to New York

895
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,800
to like to kind of like try to level up

896
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,320
to comedy in New York. And I somehow got a

897
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,760
job with this incredible billiards company based out of Japan,

898
00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:58,079
and they let me like just make whatever videos that

899
00:44:58,119 --> 00:45:00,719
I wanted for them. So my for a couple of

900
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,039
years was just like go to the pool hall, try

901
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:06,960
to recreate a famous shot and like do a comedic

902
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:09,880
breakdown of like what I learned and how hard the

903
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,639
shot was and all that stuff. Damn and so, which

904
00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:14,719
was like, I mean, I don't know, it's kind of

905
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,960
the perfect job, and I like, why did I stop

906
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,760
doing that? But yeah, so I like learned how to host,

907
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,119
I learned how to edit, learn how to like you know,

908
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,719
like do kind of punchy editing and jokes and you know,

909
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,159
kind of tie it all together as a piece. And

910
00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:34,360
then I was doing comedy on the side as well.

911
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,400
Sorry I am, I just housed an oat milk latte.

912
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:48,920
Sorry that's I'm burping. No, he doesn't doesn't like the

913
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:49,360
oat milk.

914
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: I'm drinking green tea and pissing in bottles over here,

915
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,559
just to be honest with you, since we're putting it

916
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:55,880
on the table, so you know, go ahead.

917
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,559
Speaker 2: Can I ask? Are you pissing in bottles?

918
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: Some times during podcasts, I will hit the mute button

919
00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:06,039
on this little recorder and I will piss in a bottle.

920
00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:08,039
I mean it's I drink a lot of fluids pail.

921
00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:09,960
I got a lot of stuff running through me. I

922
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,840
got antioxidants, I got a lot of caffeine, you know.

923
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:15,519
And then I and then I take it as you know,

924
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,519
I'm gonna be such a good old to tell you man,

925
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,079
and I fill it the one gallon jug the rest

926
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:24,920
with water and use it as nitrogen the water my plants.

927
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,519
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm out there. I'm out there,

928
00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:31,079
fucking wear it on my sleeve. I got nothing to hide,

929
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:31,440
you know.

930
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is we gotta just clone

931
00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:38,920
you and just like sprinkle you out throughout the South.

932
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,880
We didn't let people know that this is what, this

933
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,679
is what ecologists look like.

934
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: We didn't even talk about shitting in the compost yet.

935
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:49,280
You know that's really that's a little We're not there yet, pal.

936
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,800
You know, this is my friend, my friend Anna Maria

937
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,719
told me about She's from Chicago too. She told me

938
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,199
one time, this is years ago, about going to her

939
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,039
dad's house. He's like he speaks to Thinglis. She's like

940
00:47:01,039 --> 00:47:03,559
from the old country and she was going to like

941
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,599
visit him. And in his closet, like one of his

942
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,079
like broom closets or whatever, he had like a five

943
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:12,480
gallon jug full of his own piss that he was

944
00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:15,079
putting on. Yeah, this is fucking this is real, man,

945
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:18,360
It's just what happened. People need to hear this.

946
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:22,159
Speaker 2: Where no one can like stumble into it.

947
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:23,679
Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't like a shoe closet. It was like

948
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,880
a broom closet. You know, there was like waste basket

949
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:26,440
in there and stuff.

950
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,199
Speaker 2: But and he was filling runner your runner My ship

951
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,360
was not in a shoe closet, but he was in aroo.

952
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,199
Speaker 1: He was pissing in a five gallon buck and then

953
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:36,559
filling the rest of the water and then he would

954
00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:39,000
go put on his basilin tomato plants. You know. He's

955
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:41,599
like this guy was saying, why let that nitrogen go

956
00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:44,280
to waste? You know, this is where I'm probably losing listeners,

957
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,079
and there's probably some people turning turning this up in

958
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,079
the moment. Hey, that's okay, it's not for everybody anyway, Okay, Sorry,

959
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:51,840
where were we at? Where were we talking about?

960
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: You were talking about pissing in a jug?

961
00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:56,119
Speaker 1: No no, no no before that.

962
00:47:57,599 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was I was doing I was, I

963
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:02,039
was making these these videos. But I was also like,

964
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:04,159
I moved to New York to do comedy, so I'm

965
00:48:04,199 --> 00:48:06,440
doing comedy on the side. I'm adding comedy to these

966
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,280
Billiards videos. But I'm also like, you know, you're in

967
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,320
New York, you have like five jobs. My other job

968
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:17,920
because I'm a biology, chemistry, and mathematics tutor. That's middle school,

969
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,280
high school, and college.

970
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: So you're a pool shark and then you're teaching chemistry

971
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,079
on the side. That sounds like a pretty cool, a

972
00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:27,159
pretty cool gig, to be honest, it felt.

973
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,639
Speaker 2: Like a good combo. And also like tutoring. I don't

974
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:31,960
know if you're if you're in New York and you

975
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:36,000
want a pretty sweet gig and you can handle it,

976
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,679
tutoring is incredible. What happens is there is there's a

977
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,239
million really rich parents in New York, and they're so

978
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,039
good at controlling every aspect of their life, but they

979
00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:50,960
can't control their kids, and their kids like rebel by

980
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:55,519
being shitty at school, and so their only thought the

981
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:57,400
only thing that they can think of is to like, oh,

982
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,719
I'll just pay a tutor like one hundred dollars an

983
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,920
hour to teach my kid how to do math or

984
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,760
like how which which elements are ionic you know, and

985
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,360
so it's like, yeah, it's a it's a great gig.

986
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,000
And you know, like you make friends of the parents,

987
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:17,000
you make friends of the kids. It feels like, you know,

988
00:49:17,039 --> 00:49:19,199
you're you're you're in touch with the youth. You know

989
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,880
about like skibbity toilets and bullshit, Like there's there's a

990
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,760
there's a good element of like keeping in touch with

991
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,000
multiple generations, still friends with some of the families.

992
00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:34,079
Speaker 1: I yeah, that's cool. Teaching is fun anyway. It's incredible

993
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,079
fun to like help people grasp things because it makes

994
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:39,440
learning fun. You can make learning fun. And I remember

995
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,119
like the dopamine I would get when I learned new

996
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:44,440
things or when I was like teaching myself botany or whatever.

997
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:47,199
It's like to get other people to get that. It's like, oh, yeah,

998
00:49:47,199 --> 00:49:49,880
it's addictive, Like this is cool. I'm like understanding the

999
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,119
world around me. So but you're I mean, you obviously

1000
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:54,880
have a bat you understand chemistry, and you've got like

1001
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,639
a scientific You've got science, and you got some scientific

1002
00:49:57,679 --> 00:49:58,480
background in her.

1003
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got. I got a biochemistry degree kicking around somewhere,

1004
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,960
which is nice, and and I thought I was going

1005
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:12,360
to try to be like a doctor, do something biomedical

1006
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:16,440
engineering related, and then immediately moved to Denver and started

1007
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,880
doing improv comedy, so like kind of that didn't quite

1008
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,639
pan out, but but when I moved to New York,

1009
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,840
that was like a good skill to have in the

1010
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,760
in the chamber. Yeah, So I was doing I was

1011
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:32,440
doing these these comedy billiards videos and then I got

1012
00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:35,599
a spot at a theater that was like, hey, you

1013
00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:37,559
can do your comedy show, but it's got to have

1014
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:41,280
some kind of educational element to it. Doesn't matter what,

1015
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,880
but like it's got to be educatment in some way.

1016
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,800
And so I was like, okay, I'll pitch. I was

1017
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:48,679
trying to think of shows to pitch because I was

1018
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,679
just trying to get up and do stage time, you know.

1019
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,920
And so the show I pitched them was like, Okay,

1020
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,079
what if I am like a really strung out al

1021
00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:01,719
Gore and I'm hosting a talk show and that's like

1022
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,119
the premise of this show.

1023
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:04,159
Speaker 1: What fuck?

1024
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,199
Speaker 2: And like and maybe it would be like an I

1025
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,320
told just So tour, because climate change is real. And

1026
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:12,920
at this point I wasn't like I didn't know, you know,

1027
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,159
more than a lay person about climate change. I wasn't

1028
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:19,960
like I didn't really clock it as like an existential crisis.

1029
00:51:20,039 --> 00:51:23,079
I think it was like probably twenty sixteen or twenty

1030
00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:26,480
seventeen or something, so like definitely behind the curve, Like

1031
00:51:26,679 --> 00:51:28,599
lots of people are like, hey, it's actually a big

1032
00:51:28,639 --> 00:51:31,559
fucking problem. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm doing

1033
00:51:31,559 --> 00:51:34,239
Billiards videos. I don't you know, it couldn't be about it.

1034
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,000
So I'm doing this show. And the show kind of

1035
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,679
was starting to do pretty well in Manhattan, and then

1036
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,239
part of the show was we would have climate scientists

1037
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,599
come on the show and like, you know, I'd be

1038
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,719
in character as al Gore. I'd do my opening monologue.

1039
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: Wait, was he really strung out? Like you were pretending

1040
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,639
to be addicted to opioids or what.

1041
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: The idea was like he had been talking about. So,

1042
00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:03,280
the two things al Gore is known for are the

1043
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,400
Internet and climate change, and those are the two things

1044
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,360
that are currently controlling everybody on the planet Earth's lives

1045
00:52:11,639 --> 00:52:14,159
in my opinion, and we couldn't find a way to

1046
00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:18,840
make that man president and that was such a bummer. Yeah, okay,

1047
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,039
and imagine how he must feel where he's like I

1048
00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:27,519
called the internet from from like, you know, nineteen ninety seven,

1049
00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:31,079
I called climate change from the late eighties, and like

1050
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,760
you know, and still people sort of see him as

1051
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,800
like an alarmist or something.

1052
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nuts, man. Everything would have been so different

1053
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,400
than you know, I'm not saying. I mean, George Bush

1054
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,880
Junior has some wonderful paintings he's doing.

1055
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:44,039
Speaker 2: Now.

1056
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:46,119
Speaker 1: Have you've seen the portraits of dogs he's doing.

1057
00:52:46,159 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 2: It's really cute, man, But not gonna say that is

1058
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,280
the most talented war criminal I think we've ever had.

1059
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: It. It's like, oh, by the way, I got you, guy,

1060
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,159
I got the whole country involved in a bogus war

1061
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,519
that killed you know, tens of thousands of people. But

1062
00:52:59,639 --> 00:53:03,079
I'm I'm making wonderful portraits of puppies now. So it

1063
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,039
kind of it's a trade off, right, Yeah, I know.

1064
00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 2: Every you know, everything's trade offs. Everything's a trade off.

1065
00:53:11,519 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: How did we get here? How did we get Okay? Anyway,

1066
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,199
so keep okay, so keep going.

1067
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh so yeah, So I sort of I thought, like,

1068
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,800
I guess the personality of al Gore would be that

1069
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,920
he's a little bit frustrated that nobody listens to him.

1070
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,440
And now we're in like deep shit, and that's like

1071
00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:32,039
kind of the strung out nature of him being not

1072
00:53:32,039 --> 00:53:35,559
not like not like necessarily has just done an eight

1073
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:38,480
ball the night before and like is like sort of

1074
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:45,119
starved for neurotransmitters but like mostly mostly mad. But you know, honestly,

1075
00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:47,239
it wasn't that well thought out, if I'm being honest,

1076
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,159
It was like I want stage time, I have a

1077
00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:53,320
gray wig. Let's just make this al Gore and move on.

1078
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,360
And so the show kind of got started to get

1079
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,039
picked up and and like because we're in New York,

1080
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,000
climate science is to live in New York. Are pretty

1081
00:54:02,039 --> 00:54:06,000
easy to contact, and they're like, hell, yeah, that sounds great.

1082
00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:09,039
Like I people don't really want to hear me talk,

1083
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:13,000
and this is an opportunity to like come and do

1084
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:15,400
a show and come and say talk about climate change.

1085
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,960
So like I'll definitely go. Yeah, And so we got

1086
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,920
like some fucking hot shit. We got the director of

1087
00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:26,440
the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, Like we got

1088
00:54:26,639 --> 00:54:29,559
doctor Kate Marvel, Like we were getting really good gets

1089
00:54:29,559 --> 00:54:32,440
because they're like New York based and they have nothing

1090
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,840
else to do on like a Friday night. Yeah and

1091
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,800
so and yeah. So the show is like going good,

1092
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,559
and I'm talking to these climate scientists and kind of

1093
00:54:40,599 --> 00:54:43,960
like starting to form more of an accurate picture of

1094
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,159
the reality of the climate crisis. And so I was like, well, shit,

1095
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,880
it's about time to quit my internet job. I had

1096
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,199
a different internet job at this time, and go back

1097
00:54:55,199 --> 00:54:57,960
to grad school and get a climate science and policy degree.

1098
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,360
And so I did that and was doing the show

1099
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,800
at the same time. And then twenty twenty happened and

1100
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:09,960
everything shut down and the University of Columbia became a

1101
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,960
seventy thousand dollars University of Phoenix, which was kind of

1102
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,000
fucked up because it's, uh, you're paying, You're paying all

1103
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,039
this tuition money and the teachers are like trying to

1104
00:55:20,039 --> 00:55:21,280
figure out how to use zoom.

1105
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: University of Phoenix. I haven't thought of that in fourteen years.

1106
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,920
When I got a locomotive license working for the railroad,

1107
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,280
that was we would sign into like our law our

1108
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,599
accounts through like University of Phoenix.

1109
00:55:35,679 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 2: It was oh, for real.

1110
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got experienced. It's hilarious. Yeah, totally, man, holy shit,

1111
00:55:42,679 --> 00:55:44,679
that's that was a good I'm sorry. I just just

1112
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,079
made me remember like the fluorescent lights and like the

1113
00:55:47,159 --> 00:55:51,159
fucking you know, plastic tables and shiit that we anyway, sorry,

1114
00:55:51,159 --> 00:55:51,800
go yeah.

1115
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 2: That's you. You're getting PTSD.

1116
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's bringing me back to the ugh yeah anyway,

1117
00:55:58,480 --> 00:55:59,119
okay sorry.

1118
00:55:59,199 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, So COVID hit and I pivoted everything to YouTube,

1119
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,920
and that's when I started Climate Town. And because I

1120
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,639
had already been youtubing and been like hosting my own

1121
00:56:11,679 --> 00:56:13,920
shit with this Billiards channel that was still going on

1122
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,119
at the time, I kind of knew the ropes and

1123
00:56:17,159 --> 00:56:21,519
I knew like packaging and editing and jokes, and you know,

1124
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,719
I was in school at the time, so I also

1125
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,480
had access to like some of the world class researchers

1126
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:32,119
in the energy system and climate policy, and you know,

1127
00:56:32,159 --> 00:56:36,360
I just like had a lot of help from people

1128
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:40,800
who were sort of motivated to help students. And also

1129
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,480
I was the only student who was like not the

1130
00:56:43,519 --> 00:56:45,760
only student, I won't say, but like it was a

1131
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,280
traumatic experience for everybody, especially in New York, because like

1132
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,320
there's truly nowhere to go in New York City. You know,

1133
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:57,400
like the car park trade off really was in everywhere

1134
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,000
else's favor during the pandemic when there was just no

1135
00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:03,519
parks and it didn't make sense to go anywhere, damn.

1136
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,039
So I was like, you know, getting a ton of

1137
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:08,679
help from my teachers and able to like write scripts.

1138
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,679
And then my buddy Matt Nelson, who is to this

1139
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,440
day a co writer and the director of the channel,

1140
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,639
he started helping me work on them. And he's like

1141
00:57:19,719 --> 00:57:23,960
this engineering genius. He was like a mechanical engineer and

1142
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,000
worked for a PG and E, so he knew the

1143
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:30,119
ins and outs of like the pipeline world. Yeah, and

1144
00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:32,159
then yeah, and then we and then this guy Ben

1145
00:57:32,239 --> 00:57:37,559
Bolt joined up and we've sort of been kind of coasting,

1146
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,599
not coasting, but like spinning ever since.

1147
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,199
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, the topics that you guys pick are great,

1148
00:57:43,239 --> 00:57:45,880
And yeah, they're not just about I mean climate related stuff.

1149
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,360
It's about I mean a lot of different things. You've

1150
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,719
got you got a video on water, got a video

1151
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,119
on fast fashion. What's that You're getting screwed by free

1152
00:57:55,159 --> 00:57:57,159
returns thing? I haven't seen that one? What is that?

1153
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, that's a good one. So so base. And

1154
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:05,599
this is actually relevant to like the holiday season. Basically,

1155
00:58:05,639 --> 00:58:09,119
if you buy something online and it comes to you

1156
00:58:09,719 --> 00:58:13,800
and you return it, most of the time that item,

1157
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:16,679
even if you didn't use it, will go into a landfill.

1158
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:18,119
Speaker 1: Jesus.

1159
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,199
Speaker 2: You'll get the money back, but it will not get

1160
00:58:22,239 --> 00:58:28,079
resold to another customer because it's just like so much easier,

1161
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,239
I mean, and it actually like if you really tease

1162
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,599
it out, it makes sense, like they don't know the

1163
00:58:33,679 --> 00:58:36,599
quality of the return that you're you know, you're like, oh, hey,

1164
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:38,920
this is actually too big. I'm sending it back to

1165
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:42,239
like LLBean or whatever, or maybe maybe like you bought

1166
00:58:42,239 --> 00:58:45,199
it on Amazon and you're like returning it. So Amazon

1167
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:49,840
gives you a refund immediately, and then that item goes

1168
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:54,239
back to a returns center. So like a giant warehouse,

1169
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,440
like a low roofed warehouse, it's like stacked stacked of

1170
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:02,079
returns and somebody has to come aroun and analyze every

1171
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:05,119
item because it can't just go back because what if

1172
00:59:05,199 --> 00:59:07,559
like somebody wore it and it's called full of cat hair,

1173
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:10,440
and then somebody tries to buy it, They're like, this

1174
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,440
is full of cat hair. I'm never shopping with you again,

1175
00:59:13,039 --> 00:59:17,000
they lose a customer that like will will destroy value

1176
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:21,239
for them. So it's just simply cheaper to just eat

1177
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:25,280
the return cost, throw it away or like try to

1178
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,960
donate it, and then whoever it gets donated to eventually

1179
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:32,599
ends up throwing it away and just making a new one.

1180
00:59:32,679 --> 00:59:35,639
Because and this is part of the in shitification of everything.

1181
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,679
You know, everything's made of plastic now, and it's just

1182
00:59:38,719 --> 00:59:41,719
like easier to just spin up a polyester shirt than

1183
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:45,000
it is to look at another one, maybe clean it,

1184
00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:49,360
repackage it. Just like every extra step costs another couple bucks,

1185
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,360
Like you're employing a person to do this, and soon

1186
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,079
it's just not worth the cost of making a new one,

1187
00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:58,800
very very soon, like if it's if it's under thirty

1188
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,000
five dollars or something like, no fucking way.

1189
01:00:02,119 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: I got a was this one. So basically what you're

1190
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,880
telling me, there's there's basically a river of garbage and

1191
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,719
effluent just coming out of like this whole system just

1192
01:00:12,039 --> 01:00:14,360
going into the ocean in the ground. Like it's you know,

1193
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,000
it's gonna add to that stratigraphic layer of plastic that

1194
01:00:17,639 --> 01:00:20,440
some semi sentient species might dig up in one hundred

1195
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,880
and fifty million years. That's fucking crazy, man.

1196
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, we're doing a huge favor to that

1197
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,559
semi sentient species, but we're giving them an incredible mystery

1198
01:00:29,599 --> 01:00:33,559
to uncovered in you know, like a million years or something.

1199
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,519
Speaker 1: Plastic think of all the dumb shit too, that's gonna

1200
01:00:36,519 --> 01:00:38,880
be fun. I mean, just like my kid, Like my kid,

1201
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,920
my daughter's got this. She gets so much plastic shit

1202
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:45,840
that just like little bit like these. I don't let

1203
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,320
her have these toys anymore where it's got like seven

1204
01:00:48,519 --> 01:00:51,519
eight different plastic tiny pieces because she loses all of

1205
01:00:51,559 --> 01:00:53,039
them anyway, and they end up pull over the floor

1206
01:00:53,079 --> 01:00:54,960
and then I just throw them out. And I live

1207
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,559
in Texas, man, I've been throwing out aluminum cans for

1208
01:00:58,599 --> 01:00:59,719
the last two years.

1209
01:01:00,239 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 2: It's like, sh is there no aluminum like recycling in Texas.

1210
01:01:05,199 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: They've got a bin you can bring it to, but

1211
01:01:08,519 --> 01:01:10,519
uh but like no one does it and it's like

1212
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:12,079
out of the way and halftime you go there, it's

1213
01:01:12,119 --> 01:01:14,159
not there, and like you know, you've got to like

1214
01:01:14,239 --> 01:01:17,199
drive to this like like dusty vacant lot on a

1215
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,039
fucking on the edge of town, and it's just like man.

1216
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 2: Doing a drug deal.

1217
01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they're probably just like throwing it out anyway.

1218
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,760
It's like it's you know, it's it's fucking insane here

1219
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,119
and like no one thinks about this stuff. I mean,

1220
01:01:29,239 --> 01:01:31,800
you know, obviously I didn't move here for culture necessarily.

1221
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,960
I moved here for family and for the plant life.

1222
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,719
We started this non profit thing. But it's nuts. I mean,

1223
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,320
I I look at that, I'm like, I'm throwing out aluminum.

1224
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,280
Like I get the plastic recycling plastics kind of a scam,

1225
01:01:43,639 --> 01:01:45,960
you know, but but like, aluminum is not that hard

1226
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:46,519
to recycle.

1227
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:50,559
Speaker 2: Why the fuck, dude, aluminum is like if the fact

1228
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:53,840
that we don't recycle aluminium is crazy. It is such

1229
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,599
a valuable commodity. It's got to be mined out of

1230
01:01:56,639 --> 01:02:01,320
the ground, often by children, you know. I mean, just

1231
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,960
try explaining to somebody like, hey, yeah, we actually need

1232
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:09,000
you to risk losing another finger because we couldn't be

1233
01:02:09,079 --> 01:02:12,320
bothered to like figure out a way to collect these

1234
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:16,440
after we've slammed a bush light. You know, it is

1235
01:02:16,599 --> 01:02:17,480
so wild.

1236
01:02:18,159 --> 01:02:20,599
Speaker 1: Where does where does most of it come from? Like?

1237
01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 2: Where?

1238
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,119
Speaker 1: What country? What region?

1239
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,239
Speaker 2: Do I know it? Now? Well? I mean I can

1240
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,280
look it up, like Joe Rogan's Little guy.

1241
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: Ja we looked that up. Yeah, man, I mean it's

1242
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,760
it's you know, it's I think a lot of especially

1243
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,360
where I live, a lot of people just don't think

1244
01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:39,159
about shit like that, Like they don't really Like when

1245
01:02:39,159 --> 01:02:41,639
the electric grid here failed, it was like, oh, it's

1246
01:02:41,639 --> 01:02:45,119
this and the electric system in this state is crazy,

1247
01:02:45,239 --> 01:02:48,360
Like it's a fucking scam, Like there's so many middlemen

1248
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:52,000
involved because I mean there's no public utilities really, I mean,

1249
01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:54,559
there is one, but then they sell it to I

1250
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:56,559
forget how exactly it works, but they they sell it

1251
01:02:56,639 --> 01:02:59,199
the private companies. So you know, when you put a

1252
01:02:59,239 --> 01:03:02,039
middleman in, of course, just like with healthcare, you're it's

1253
01:03:02,199 --> 01:03:05,440
just becomes a scam. It's a fucking shakedown. It's like

1254
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,800
a you know, mafioso is in the middle, like you know,

1255
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,639
skimming off the top. So I don't know, man, it's

1256
01:03:12,679 --> 01:03:15,239
it's a it's a weird it's a weird place, but

1257
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:16,719
this is I mean, it's like that in a lot

1258
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:21,840
of the Southeast. I think these like privatized schemes for electricity,

1259
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,559
for public utilities for whenever.

1260
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 2: Dude, Yeah, we're we're we're working on a video about

1261
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,519
that right now. It's slow going, but that is the

1262
01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:32,440
utilities video is like you just keep uncovering more and

1263
01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:36,159
more ship like oh and and it shouldn't be a surprise,

1264
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:41,199
Like the government hands a private ish company a monopoly

1265
01:03:41,679 --> 01:03:43,760
and it's like, all right, don't fuck this up, and

1266
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,679
it's like, of course they're going to suck it up.

1267
01:03:46,199 --> 01:03:48,199
I just looked it up and it looks like alumitum

1268
01:03:48,239 --> 01:03:50,639
mostly comes from China, India, and Russia.

1269
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:54,679
Speaker 1: Oh wow, oh yeah, oh countries with great labor laws.

1270
01:03:55,960 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 2: They're really countries. Yeah, just like send wave after wave

1271
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,840
of our citizens that the illumined mind Jesus man.

1272
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the but anyway, but going back to the

1273
01:04:07,679 --> 01:04:10,199
public utility thing, I mean, it's you know how this

1274
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:13,960
public utility is turning private, other public services turning private

1275
01:04:14,039 --> 01:04:17,199
schools turning private you know, it's it really does just

1276
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,559
reward this bottom of the brain stem primate hoarding complex,

1277
01:04:20,639 --> 01:04:22,880
like just greed, you know, like oh we can make money.

1278
01:04:23,079 --> 01:04:24,679
I wondered about people that live like that, like do

1279
01:04:24,719 --> 01:04:26,719
they what do they what do they enjoy doing? It's

1280
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,880
just is it really just money? Like it's just having

1281
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,719
as much as possible. Is there ever like do you

1282
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:36,320
do you crave experiences? Do you crave fulfilling relationships? You know,

1283
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,199
like does where does this come from? And you know,

1284
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,960
you talk to people that know extremely wealthy people or

1285
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:44,880
have worked with them, whatever, and they're always like, yeah,

1286
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:46,920
they're fucking miserable. They're like they hate each other.

1287
01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 2: That is wild, Like why do you rich people get sack?

1288
01:04:51,159 --> 01:04:53,639
Like stop stop doing the shit that makes you.

1289
01:04:53,719 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: Sad because they're dead inside, because they're empty. There's nothing.

1290
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,719
I mean, you know, you got more shit people want

1291
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,400
to take, get more stuff to worry about. It's just

1292
01:05:02,599 --> 01:05:05,440
it's your main motivating factor. I mean, it's it's never

1293
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:08,280
just make a lot, stack it up and then then

1294
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,480
just enjoy the rest of your life. That's never enough.

1295
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:13,360
Like it becomes an addiction. It's a fucking addiction. There's

1296
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,760
brain chemistry there fucking with you making it addictive. You know,

1297
01:05:17,199 --> 01:05:17,559
I don't know.

1298
01:05:17,679 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 2: I mean I think that must be it where it's

1299
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,559
like we just like lived so much of humanity on

1300
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:28,719
outdated hardware that was just like, hey, if this happens,

1301
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:33,440
get anxious and hoard so that you can survive the

1302
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,840
winter or whatever. Yeah, and we just never like it's

1303
01:05:37,239 --> 01:05:39,760
We're just animals, you know, like we just have to

1304
01:05:40,039 --> 01:05:42,400
leap frog bad and I have no clue how we

1305
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:46,199
do it besides like holding each other tight and being

1306
01:05:46,519 --> 01:05:49,079
just like constantly saying it's not your fault to each other.

1307
01:05:49,199 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: I mean that's what I always say that, you know,

1308
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,800
we're animals. Man, the enlightenment's over, Like there's no like

1309
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,280
it can It can happen, but you need a culture

1310
01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:00,159
that supports that kind of quote enlightenment or self awareness,

1311
01:06:00,199 --> 01:06:03,440
and most people aren't doing that. We're animals, like we're

1312
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:06,480
semi sentient. I mean, people can strive to be people

1313
01:06:06,519 --> 01:06:08,360
can be more if they put their energy into it.

1314
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,440
But as a large, unthinking group, that's what we are.

1315
01:06:11,519 --> 01:06:13,679
And it's just, you know, we just revert to those

1316
01:06:13,719 --> 01:06:16,920
bottom of the brain stem impulses like that's what you know.

1317
01:06:17,159 --> 01:06:19,519
I don't know, man, And I think, yeah again, like

1318
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:22,599
taking the nature out of people's lives, like so many

1319
01:06:22,599 --> 01:06:24,840
people don't even realize, like man, that shit is not

1320
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,920
it's not just landscaping. It's not just this this feel

1321
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,639
good background sceneryef that looks good in wedding photos and

1322
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,159
fucking you know, as a background for corporate events like

1323
01:06:35,159 --> 01:06:37,039
it's actually it's a fundamental part of you. And if

1324
01:06:37,079 --> 01:06:39,880
you don't have that, your psychology starts getting sucked up.

1325
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,079
Like you start you're like the rat in a cage

1326
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,119
with no toys, Like you start just getting weird nervous

1327
01:06:45,159 --> 01:06:48,039
ticks and whatever. So you know, people need to make.

1328
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:51,239
Speaker 2: I am leaving group of this. I am currently not

1329
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,880
having enough nature in my life. And like I'm going

1330
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,159
back to Colorado for a couple of days for Christmas

1331
01:06:58,199 --> 01:07:01,280
to see my dad, and like I'm already planning, Okay,

1332
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,199
I'm gonna take this hike. I know I'm going to

1333
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,000
go out to like I'm gonna go up up Clear

1334
01:07:06,119 --> 01:07:08,840
Creek so to like you know, maybe I'll go out

1335
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,639
to Elbert, Colorado or my own boy Scout camp was

1336
01:07:12,239 --> 01:07:14,360
and like I don't know, it's just like that stuff,

1337
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:14,760
yeah you.

1338
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,199
Speaker 1: Need, but New York Scott Parks. And then also, I

1339
01:07:18,199 --> 01:07:20,159
mean this is not everybody's cup of tea, but as

1340
01:07:20,199 --> 01:07:22,280
a young man, this is where I would go. It's

1341
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:27,840
got places that trespassed, you know, Old Raiyards, Newtown Creek.

1342
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:31,039
Like there's places where nature it's not I mean, it's

1343
01:07:31,079 --> 01:07:34,079
in mostly invasive species whatever, but they're not planted plants

1344
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,719
where nature can creep back in and you can actually

1345
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:38,559
like get some quiet. You can still hear the war

1346
01:07:38,599 --> 01:07:40,440
of the city, but you can get some quiet and

1347
01:07:40,519 --> 01:07:44,639
see some actual wild plants, uh taking over. You know,

1348
01:07:44,639 --> 01:07:46,639
there's there's places to get away fromtal That's where I

1349
01:07:46,679 --> 01:07:48,800
would hang out on it, Like when I was in Chicago,

1350
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,519
Like I'd always look for like the abandoned lots and

1351
01:07:51,559 --> 01:07:53,760
train tracks and shit like that, old rail yards whatever.

1352
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:57,320
But you know clearly understand the railroad Diamond at eighteenth

1353
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,559
and Western, And I said, Wow, that's a real it's

1354
01:07:59,559 --> 01:08:01,800
a really special spot. The man we used to go

1355
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:07,639
have fires there and drinking the cottonwood trees. But but anyway, Okay,

1356
01:08:07,639 --> 01:08:10,400
well I want to talk about one more video you got.

1357
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,639
This is a actually I want to talk about too.

1358
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,679
What's with Okay, the got milk scam? The dairy is

1359
01:08:15,719 --> 01:08:17,760
milking you re what's this about?

1360
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this one is is kind of a look

1361
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:25,840
at how the dairy industry got popular or got like

1362
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:32,039
powerful really and so essentially you might be aware of

1363
01:08:32,119 --> 01:08:37,760
like stuffed crust pizza or like the triple cheese, quadruple chilopa,

1364
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:44,800
and like this these are a combination of like fast

1365
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:48,039
food restaurants trying to do their thing and and also

1366
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,920
fast food restaurants working with the dairy lobby to figure

1367
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:55,079
out how to increase the amount of dairy they're able

1368
01:08:55,079 --> 01:08:56,520
to add to people's diets.

1369
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:01,239
Speaker 1: Oh, that's gnarly. The Triple Black pass, the Triple bypassed, Chiloopa.

1370
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 2: That's yeah, I mean really, and this is like this

1371
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:10,720
is a fairly well documented thing. I mean, the dairy farmer,

1372
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:12,600
Like you just kind of close your eyes and you

1373
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,960
see an American flag and a dairy farmer walking in

1374
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,840
front of it, like patting a cow, and like this

1375
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:22,239
this was like a powerful political symbol for a lot

1376
01:09:22,279 --> 01:09:26,239
of years, and so politicians were really careful to make

1377
01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:29,520
sure they had the dairy industry on their side. But

1378
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:34,720
then the dairy industry industrialized and mechanicalized and squeezed out

1379
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:38,920
these little, you know, tiny dairy farms and and you know,

1380
01:09:39,039 --> 01:09:44,279
like created these massive mono farms that had like thousands

1381
01:09:44,279 --> 01:09:47,159
of cows and they were cranking out milk, and they

1382
01:09:47,199 --> 01:09:50,239
cranked out more milk than they could actually sell. And

1383
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:54,239
like part of the bailout was the government guaranteeing a

1384
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,840
price of milk, So a milk is a commodity. So

1385
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,159
they would take the milk and turn it into cheese

1386
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,840
and like give the cheese to people or discount the cheese.

1387
01:10:04,119 --> 01:10:07,079
And when they still had too much cheese, they had

1388
01:10:07,079 --> 01:10:10,159
to store it in these cheese caves. And you know

1389
01:10:10,199 --> 01:10:11,680
the term government.

1390
01:10:11,319 --> 01:10:16,119
Speaker 5: Cheese, Yeah, yeah, this is a literal term that refers

1391
01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:19,680
to the cheese that the government owns that they have

1392
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,079
purchased the milk from the dairy.

1393
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:26,359
Speaker 2: Industry at a mandated cost, So it's literal cheese. And

1394
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:31,279
so the government, like during the Reagan era, the government

1395
01:10:31,399 --> 01:10:33,479
was like sick of spending all this money to like

1396
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:37,159
subsidize the dairy industry, and so they were trying to

1397
01:10:37,159 --> 01:10:40,319
figure out a way to stop like having to buy

1398
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:44,039
a ton of cheese, and so a they gave out

1399
01:10:44,079 --> 01:10:46,359
a lot of that cheese. That's that's what government cheese

1400
01:10:46,399 --> 01:10:49,880
refers to. Like like lower income people and elderly people

1401
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:55,239
would get free blocks of cheese in these like cardboard boxes.

1402
01:10:55,239 --> 01:10:58,039
It's like really interesting to go look at. But the

1403
01:10:58,079 --> 01:11:00,600
other method for which they could kind of get the

1404
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:05,279
dairy industry off of the government dime was to incorporate

1405
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:11,000
the dairy farmers into a lobby group. So they called

1406
01:11:11,039 --> 01:11:14,880
this group that there's also there's both the milk lobby

1407
01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:20,800
and the larger dairy lobby, and they were sort of

1408
01:11:21,359 --> 01:11:24,560
jump started with government money as sort of a public

1409
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:31,600
private partnership. And these two lobbies have been doing marketing

1410
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:35,119
around getting people to eat more cheese and eat more,

1411
01:11:35,239 --> 01:11:38,359
drink more milk, and like eat more pizza and use

1412
01:11:38,399 --> 01:11:41,000
extra pizza, extra cheese on pizza.

1413
01:11:41,119 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 1: Damn man. This is so it's it's you know that

1414
01:11:45,039 --> 01:11:47,760
kind of annihilates the logic of the freedom of the

1415
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,600
you know, the glory of the free markets, Like we

1416
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,520
have too much supply, so we'll just manufactured demand. Now

1417
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,279
that's is that's super gaming the system a little bit.

1418
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:03,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think like it's super feels communist dick

1419
01:12:04,279 --> 01:12:08,079
when it's the government like guaranteeing a price, and so

1420
01:12:08,399 --> 01:12:11,079
like I think the move from like, oh, it's not

1421
01:12:11,159 --> 01:12:15,920
the government anymore to it's the dairy loby just drumming

1422
01:12:16,039 --> 01:12:18,720
up demand, and it's like, oh, well, this is not

1423
01:12:19,039 --> 01:12:23,640
better than the government like guaranteeing the demand. It's the

1424
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:28,720
government like financing another entity that's going to guarantee the demand.

1425
01:12:29,079 --> 01:12:33,279
The sort of like convincing people that the only way

1426
01:12:33,319 --> 01:12:35,960
to be healthy is to drink five cups of milk

1427
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:40,239
a day, which there's zero science to support.

1428
01:12:40,319 --> 01:12:43,399
Speaker 1: By the way, I mean, that's what they did with oil,

1429
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:45,520
and that's what they did with corn. You increase demand,

1430
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,800
you make everyone completely same story, every.

1431
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 2: Story that I was, Yeah, the outline where it's like, Okay,

1432
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:56,520
an industry got some money making a thing, and they

1433
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:59,479
wanted to get more money because that's what capitalism demands,

1434
01:13:00,119 --> 01:13:02,199
and the best way to get more money is to

1435
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:05,119
like trick people to buy your shit more.

1436
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:09,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, whether it's putting excess sugar and food

1437
01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:11,720
and making it taste more and hyper. You go to

1438
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:14,720
Mexico and the corner stores do that or the oxos,

1439
01:13:15,119 --> 01:13:17,760
it's all you can't get anything healthy. It's like all

1440
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:21,640
processed shit. There's fucking sugar in everything. It's like and

1441
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:24,880
it's killing people. And like the Mexican government's done, like

1442
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,119
you have notices on the food now you know, excess

1443
01:13:27,159 --> 01:13:31,159
so caldies whatever. But uh, but you know, it's it's

1444
01:13:31,239 --> 01:13:34,479
just it's crazy that that people don't realize what's going

1445
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:36,560
on here. I mean, I tell people, that's a friend

1446
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:39,600
of mine made a point once he's Canadian. He was like, man,

1447
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,960
if conservatives ever looked at the and again, not trying

1448
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:44,760
to make this political, but if conservatives, you know, they're

1449
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:46,800
all people are like, oh, fifteen minutes. There was this

1450
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,359
big thing against fifteen minute cities. Remember that fifteen minute

1451
01:13:49,399 --> 01:13:51,720
cities are a liberal stamp. Yeah, but when you look,

1452
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,239
you could say the same for the car thing, like, Okay,

1453
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:57,920
you're gonna be forced everywhere. There's not gonna be sidewalks

1454
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:59,199
in a lot of the places you live. There's not

1455
01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:00,920
gonna be bike lanes, it's not gonna be public trans that.

1456
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:03,199
You're gonna be forced to drive a car. You're gonna

1457
01:14:03,199 --> 01:14:06,560
be forced to make insurance payments, car payments. Uh, you're

1458
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,199
gonna end up paying thirty percent more than the cost

1459
01:14:09,239 --> 01:14:12,000
because you're buying it on interest. You know you're gonna

1460
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,079
be forced to do this. You have no choice. I

1461
01:14:14,079 --> 01:14:17,319
mean you can walk or you know, ride your bike

1462
01:14:17,359 --> 01:14:19,640
on a sidewalk like some of the homeless people you

1463
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,079
might see out there, but you're otherwise you're gonna be

1464
01:14:22,079 --> 01:14:23,720
forced to do this. Like if you could say the

1465
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:25,359
same thing, if like they ever came in it from

1466
01:14:25,359 --> 01:14:27,680
that they've really. I mean that's what. It kind of

1467
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:29,800
boggles my mind. It's like, man, you don't realize, like

1468
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,239
this is kind of a conspiracy. Dude, this is crazy.

1469
01:14:32,279 --> 01:14:35,479
I mean it's it's you're forced to do these things,

1470
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:37,920
like you're like the ethanol thing, like that's very obviously

1471
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:41,560
a scam. That all this again just manufacturing demand. You

1472
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,760
have too much supply, you don't want costs to go down,

1473
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:44,920
So what are you gonna do? You get to game

1474
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:48,680
the system and manufactured demand. It's it's it's nuts. I

1475
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:49,479
mean it's and it's.

1476
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's no there's no counterpoint to it because

1477
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:56,159
there's no big walking lobby and there's no like I

1478
01:14:56,159 --> 01:15:00,840
guess there's no like genuine people health lob because it's

1479
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,920
not profitable to like moderate what you eat.

1480
01:15:04,399 --> 01:15:06,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I know, they're like, oh, just call do

1481
01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:09,000
push ups. It's like, well, man, I mean it's like

1482
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,399
you need a lot more to be healthy than to

1483
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:15,279
just do one hundred push ups a day. Sorry, but yeah,

1484
01:15:15,359 --> 01:15:17,880
it's uh, I don't know, man, it's cool. It's thanks

1485
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,000
for explaining that too. I mean, I'm still gonna watch it,

1486
01:15:20,079 --> 01:15:21,520
but a lot.

1487
01:15:21,359 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 2: Of this it's it's a good one it probably didn't

1488
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:27,960
need to be forty minutes long. Hey, as someone who

1489
01:15:28,079 --> 01:15:30,319
makes this, Okay, this podcast will be more than forty

1490
01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:32,319
minutes long then, So I mean I'm off the hook.

1491
01:15:32,159 --> 01:15:35,600
Speaker 1: As somebody who makes gratuitously long videos of them, like

1492
01:15:36,079 --> 01:15:39,079
no production quality, just the man screaming at the ground.

1493
01:15:39,119 --> 01:15:41,640
You know, I can sympathize with you on the long

1494
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:45,199
the long Your videos are probably easier to watch than mine.

1495
01:15:45,239 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 2: But but but can I actually can I can I

1496
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:49,079
hit you with a couple of questions or do you

1497
01:15:49,119 --> 01:15:49,720
have go ahead?

1498
01:15:50,079 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 1: Go ahead? The no structure.

1499
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:55,560
Speaker 2: So when I was researching for the lawns video that

1500
01:15:55,600 --> 01:16:00,239
we were doing, maybe like probably like three days before

1501
01:16:00,279 --> 01:16:02,720
we were locking the script, they were like, oh, yeah,

1502
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:04,880
I've heard the phrase kill your lines before. Where's that?

1503
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:08,960
Where'd that come from? And it was your fucking series.

1504
01:16:10,039 --> 01:16:12,520
I didn't, I guess I didn't realize that, like you

1505
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:14,920
had that like an actual TV show.

1506
01:16:15,039 --> 01:16:17,399
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was a season. I was in it.

1507
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,119
But I didn't produce that that I.

1508
01:16:19,079 --> 01:16:21,600
Speaker 2: Didn't Okay, So yeah, I just wonder how did that happen?

1509
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,079
What was what was the deal with that? Because you're

1510
01:16:23,119 --> 01:16:27,359
like a genuine TV star. Yeah, well, just on that

1511
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:28,199
at least.

1512
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 1: Me and my friend All's scorch in our production company,

1513
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,680
which was this small production company out of New York

1514
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,159
that I'm friends with, like one of the main guys

1515
01:16:36,199 --> 01:16:37,720
that are really cool. Guy. I don't know how that

1516
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:39,840
fucking guy tolerated us, because me and Al are both

1517
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:43,760
insane and and you know, we like we had we

1518
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,439
like had a mutiny the first week that we were

1519
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:49,520
in production. We still we hadn't signed the contract yet,

1520
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,800
and like the production company was like freaking out because

1521
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:53,399
we could have bailed at any time, and I straight

1522
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:55,279
up told them, like I don't need this show. I

1523
01:16:55,319 --> 01:16:57,399
got my own thing. I'm doing this because I believe

1524
01:16:57,399 --> 01:17:01,199
in the message. But our friend David Metis and wonderful man,

1525
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:05,159
uh you know, tolerated anyway, so that this production company

1526
01:17:05,279 --> 01:17:09,039
got this show together, pitched it to this a bunch

1527
01:17:09,039 --> 01:17:12,760
of different networks. This company called earth X's TV company

1528
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,079
bought it, and you know, we thought they were going

1529
01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:18,199
to stream it. It's got a built in audience because

1530
01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:20,600
all the crime paced people works, all the crime paceman's

1531
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,479
were excited about it, and it's just a good message.

1532
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:25,600
People are into this stuff, like the Native Plant movement

1533
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,000
here is growing, The killer lawn movements growing. People like

1534
01:17:28,079 --> 01:17:31,000
learning about the shit that grows and lives where they

1535
01:17:31,239 --> 01:17:33,800
where they grew up and did so for millions of

1536
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:35,079
years and so.

1537
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:35,560
Speaker 2: Uh.

1538
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,159
Speaker 1: But earth X at the last minute they decided we're

1539
01:17:38,199 --> 01:17:40,319
not going to stream it. Earth xits based out of Texas, Like,

1540
01:17:40,359 --> 01:17:42,680
we're not going to stream it, We're going to sell

1541
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:45,000
it to cable and me and Al were like, are

1542
01:17:45,039 --> 01:17:48,000
you kidding? What the fuck? So like, instead of being

1543
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,439
able to just openly watch episodes, you have to like

1544
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:54,000
rent the motel six and get the check channel two

1545
01:17:54,039 --> 01:17:56,279
sixty seven at two in the morning, you know, or

1546
01:17:56,359 --> 01:17:58,479
you can like sign up for like any one of

1547
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:01,039
a number of no name streaming sea.

1548
01:18:01,119 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 2: You don't have Pigley Poop TV.

1549
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,560
Speaker 1: They've all got like these weird startup names Filo and

1550
01:18:07,079 --> 01:18:10,680
Swap and whatever the fuck they sound like pylon portant

1551
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:14,880
channel names. Well, right now, on a Patreon there's a

1552
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:18,279
link to a you know, I shouldn't put this out there,

1553
01:18:18,279 --> 01:18:19,800
but for the next two weeks there's a link where

1554
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:22,439
people can watch all of season two just by doin

1555
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:25,319
on the Patreon. Oh, just hoping I don't catch a

1556
01:18:25,359 --> 01:18:28,560
lawsuit from earth X here, but you know whatever anyway,

1557
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,039
But but yeah, so that was that was the thing,

1558
01:18:31,039 --> 01:18:32,640
and it was a fun show to produce. They did

1559
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,159
two seasons and the people at earth X were super cool.

1560
01:18:35,239 --> 01:18:37,159
I just wish they would have made a different decision,

1561
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:40,880
you know, but uh, but yeah, it got out there

1562
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:42,880
and now no one can watch it. So you know,

1563
01:18:43,159 --> 01:18:45,840
if you happen to rent a motel six and you

1564
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,359
know Las Crusix, New Mexico, and you're up at two

1565
01:18:48,399 --> 01:18:50,239
in the morning, you can catch it on Channel two

1566
01:18:50,279 --> 01:18:51,600
sixty seven. So that was it.

1567
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:55,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's that is very interesting. I was, I was.

1568
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,640
I was curious to know how that fit into the

1569
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,199
larger Pay's world.

1570
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just like a side gig. We basically

1571
01:19:05,199 --> 01:19:08,600
filmed two seasons in a year and a half and

1572
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:13,880
it was really fun. We did San Diego, Miami, South Texas, Chicago, Baltimore.

1573
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:16,960
Where the fuck else did we go? Oh? New Orleans.

1574
01:19:17,279 --> 01:19:19,039
So we went to all these different cities and found

1575
01:19:19,079 --> 01:19:21,439
homeowners we wanted to kill their lawns, and then went out.

1576
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,640
We killed the lawns different ways each time, and then

1577
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:28,399
we'll go and find, you know, find like the native

1578
01:19:28,399 --> 01:19:31,039
habitat and that's where we would get inspiration from for

1579
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:33,680
what the plant in people's yards. And and some of

1580
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:35,920
those yards I've gone back to and they look fucking amazing,

1581
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,199
like a lot of the Chicago yards, because there were

1582
01:19:38,199 --> 01:19:41,680
four yards in Chicago, and they're like amazing prairie gardens now,

1583
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:43,840
you know that are just fucking wonderful to hang out.

1584
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,520
And everyone that we did it for is like in

1585
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:48,439
love with it, you know. Two years later they're all

1586
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:50,399
excited about it. So it's been really cool. I mean,

1587
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:55,000
every time I do this and come back to check

1588
01:19:55,039 --> 01:19:57,560
on the yard, like people are fucking stoked. They're like, man,

1589
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,520
I saw this really cool dragonfly in my yard. Holy shit,

1590
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,359
you know, and like this person has no background in biology,

1591
01:20:03,359 --> 01:20:06,600
they generally didn't care about this shit, but they're stoked

1592
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:08,359
on what's going in the yard, you know. And I'll

1593
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:11,319
tell them about all the plants that we planted there

1594
01:20:11,399 --> 01:20:13,960
and what they're related to and what they what pollinates them,

1595
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,039
and they've got some cool soil fungus they associate with whatever,

1596
01:20:17,119 --> 01:20:19,199
you know, and it's cool. I mean, that's what I

1597
01:20:19,239 --> 01:20:21,760
live for. I love like seeing people get excited about

1598
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,800
shit again. And like that little kid that just loves

1599
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:26,119
to play in the backyard with sticks and roly polies

1600
01:20:26,199 --> 01:20:29,760
comes out, you know, like what society tries to kill,

1601
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:33,479
like the spirit inside of us that society like pours

1602
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:36,119
cold water on, you know, and you get the Mortha

1603
01:20:36,159 --> 01:20:39,560
Devomne's fucking walking dead. You know, when people that are

1604
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,239
just hate their jobs, hate their lives whatever. The antidote

1605
01:20:42,239 --> 01:20:44,439
today is that five year old kid that's still inside them,

1606
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:46,119
that likes to just look at bugs in the backyard.

1607
01:20:46,159 --> 01:20:47,840
And that's what comes out when people do this stuff.

1608
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,199
So it's nice to me. I really fucking talk a lot.

1609
01:20:50,239 --> 01:20:52,359
I'm sorry, it's supposed to be your interview, No, this is.

1610
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I'm curious about, uh, what makes you

1611
01:20:56,840 --> 01:21:01,880
tick and how how your various tendrils come together and

1612
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:04,560
the origin story and everything. So I'm sure if I

1613
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:07,119
listened to enough episodes of this podcast, I could glean

1614
01:21:07,199 --> 01:21:10,680
it from various breadcrumbs you dropped throughout the episodes, but

1615
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,720
I'd rather just get to mainline info anyway.

1616
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of the podcasts are you know, guest episodes

1617
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,960
like this, and then some are just ranting episodes just

1618
01:21:20,039 --> 01:21:23,199
like me talking about whatever I did saw. Some cool

1619
01:21:23,199 --> 01:21:26,039
shit whatever. But you know, I can't really listen to

1620
01:21:26,079 --> 01:21:27,960
them after I do them because it's just the word.

1621
01:21:28,119 --> 01:21:31,600
But yeah, I'm trying to think.

1622
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 2: Was there.

1623
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,560
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, let's move on to if we If I

1624
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:38,199
can ask you one more question about extra video the

1625
01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:41,399
weird fruit. I'm guessing is this the palm oil episode?

1626
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:42,119
Speaker 2: What? Yes?

1627
01:21:42,159 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 1: What? And what is this? Explain to everybody what's going

1628
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:45,359
on here?

1629
01:21:46,079 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, basically, there's a kind of oil that's in Basically,

1630
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,680
you know, the majority of the products that you eat

1631
01:21:56,119 --> 01:21:59,920
in a grocery store. I think over fifty percent of

1632
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:04,199
the items often have contained some form of palm oil.

1633
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:08,279
And so palm oil is the seed of the oil

1634
01:22:08,359 --> 01:22:11,560
palm tree. And it's a really effective oil. It's got

1635
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:17,039
a lot of really positive qualities, and like anything with

1636
01:22:17,079 --> 01:22:22,439
a lot of positive qualities, capitalism has zeroed in on it,

1637
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:25,800
figured out that they can exploit it for a lot

1638
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:32,079
of money, especially like an exploitable workforce like Indonesia for instance,

1639
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:37,000
and they've figured out ways to sort of force people

1640
01:22:37,159 --> 01:22:40,960
in the developing world to grow an insane amount of

1641
01:22:41,239 --> 01:22:45,720
oil palm to harvest the palm oil, and there's a

1642
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:49,560
ton of negative side effects from that, one of which

1643
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:55,720
being like the clear cutting of rainforests and peat and

1644
01:22:56,279 --> 01:23:00,640
the destruction of orangutan habitats, or the monocropping of oil

1645
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:04,079
palm trees so that they can like harvest these you know,

1646
01:23:04,159 --> 01:23:07,359
palm oil and put it in oreos for instance, to

1647
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:11,000
just make the texture just like three percent more creamy.

1648
01:23:11,079 --> 01:23:13,840
And that's fucking it. You know, Like there there are

1649
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,439
tons of other other you know, oils we could use.

1650
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:20,399
I mean, you know there's it's just it's just that

1651
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:24,039
classic exactly the same thing as we've been talking about

1652
01:23:24,359 --> 01:23:27,119
yet another. You know, sometimes you flip over a rock

1653
01:23:27,159 --> 01:23:29,399
and it's a roly poly. Sometimes you flip over a

1654
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:33,560
rock and it's an industry that's exploiting people in Indonesia.

1655
01:23:34,279 --> 01:23:35,600
And this is the second one.

1656
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,319
Speaker 1: It seems it seems like a lot of times you

1657
01:23:38,399 --> 01:23:42,279
flip over a rock and there's some grotesque scheme, like

1658
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:46,520
money grubbing scheme by some sleezoid that really needs to

1659
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:49,279
just touch is, you know, get in touch with his

1660
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:53,279
five year old inner child again, you know. But instead

1661
01:23:53,319 --> 01:23:55,800
he's like finding new ways to like make more money

1662
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:57,720
than he needs to buy shit. He doesn't really, it's

1663
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:00,760
it's I love that the same theme. I mean, it

1664
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:03,079
really is. It's like you're this is what is great

1665
01:24:03,119 --> 01:24:07,279
about You're. So it's different variations on the same theme,

1666
01:24:07,359 --> 01:24:11,319
and just from an anthropological and sociological perspective, it's really interesting.

1667
01:24:11,359 --> 01:24:13,840
It's like this is really the ship that runs our world.

1668
01:24:14,039 --> 01:24:17,359
These are this kind of stuff like this is peak

1669
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:20,520
human development here. We're finding ways to make that the

1670
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:23,920
cream inside an Oreo cookie three percent cream here, and

1671
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,560
that's that's it's amazing. I mean, this is really, you know,

1672
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:29,479
three hundred thousand years of human evolution to do this shit.

1673
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,319
This is it's crazy. This is bottom of the brainstem ship,

1674
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:36,800
especially when you look at I mean Borneo. Indonesia has

1675
01:24:37,079 --> 01:24:41,520
amazing biodiversity there. It's in a complex living machine, a complex,

1676
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:45,119
and we're destroying it all. We're destroying these museums to

1677
01:24:45,199 --> 01:24:49,319
put up dollar general stores filled with I mean, right figures.

1678
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:52,239
Speaker 2: It's like the burning of Alexandria. You know, it's like

1679
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:56,119
there's all this natural, not natural, but there's always knowledge.

1680
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:59,039
I mean, in in Indonesia it is natural knowledge, but

1681
01:24:59,239 --> 01:25:02,920
alexand it's not the perfect fucking metaphor. Okay, I get Yeah,

1682
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:06,319
we're just like lighting this shit on and oftentimes literally

1683
01:25:06,399 --> 01:25:08,039
lighting it on fire. Like one of the one of

1684
01:25:08,119 --> 01:25:11,680
the best ways that they found, the least labor intensive

1685
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:16,760
way to like clear peat forests is to drain them

1686
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:21,039
and then light them on fire and then like release

1687
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:25,279
all that giant carbon bomb into the atmosphere and then

1688
01:25:25,319 --> 01:25:28,119
they can plant oil palm plantations on top.

1689
01:25:28,199 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and no, nobody like who makes these decisions, like

1690
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,920
the most like most people on Earth would not want

1691
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,000
this if you ask them, if it was put to

1692
01:25:36,079 --> 01:25:39,119
a vote. It's like it's sleeves bags with lots of

1693
01:25:39,159 --> 01:25:42,840
money and power that decide this stuff. And it's crazy

1694
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,680
because it's the seconds, the same thing everywhere all over

1695
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:47,960
the globe. It's like it's in the way this system works.

1696
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:50,800
It's if you know, if there's not enough demand, we'll

1697
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:53,199
make demand. We'll make people want it. It's the same

1698
01:25:53,199 --> 01:25:56,359
shit drug dealers, do you know. It's like, yeah, just

1699
01:25:56,399 --> 01:25:57,960
give you a little taste of fence and they'll get

1700
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,760
you hooked. Then you keep coming back and yeah, yeah,

1701
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:02,800
fuck it. Who cares about the recombinations.

1702
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:05,039
Speaker 2: I think that one of the one of the other

1703
01:26:05,119 --> 01:26:08,960
stark things is like the developed world, like when you

1704
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:13,479
when you use that phrase like developed generally means that

1705
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:16,760
is a country that's already destroyed all of its forests,

1706
01:26:17,399 --> 01:26:21,520
you know, like truly like it sucks, but it's like

1707
01:26:22,119 --> 01:26:24,800
this is nothing new. In fact, these are just like

1708
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:30,119
kind of the last pockets of wilderness and they too

1709
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,239
are going to be burned on the altar of capitalism

1710
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:36,560
because we can't seem to stop ourselves.

1711
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 1: It was just like it's not very smart though either,

1712
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:44,600
Like it's not this is not the way intelligent species behaves.

1713
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:47,680
This is the way that a species that's acting like

1714
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:51,079
a greedy, spoiled nine year old behaves, like just taking

1715
01:26:51,119 --> 01:26:55,359
everything without thinking about the long term effects or the repercussions.

1716
01:26:55,399 --> 01:26:58,840
And it's it's like, god, damn, man, haven't we aren't

1717
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:00,960
we better than this? I mean maybe not, but I

1718
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:01,920
would like to think I've.

1719
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:05,119
Speaker 2: Only seen this movie though, Like haven't haven't, Like doesn't

1720
01:27:05,159 --> 01:27:08,399
everybody know the outcome? And I think the answer is

1721
01:27:08,399 --> 01:27:12,399
always like, yeah, we know it's bad, but we got

1722
01:27:12,399 --> 01:27:15,800
to hit our Q three numbers, bro, Like, obviously it's bad.

1723
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:19,079
Nobody wants to do this, but we're three percent down.

1724
01:27:19,119 --> 01:27:21,239
We got to get you know, like twelve million more

1725
01:27:21,279 --> 01:27:24,119
in sales and if we don't do this, the company

1726
01:27:24,159 --> 01:27:26,439
next door is going to do it anyway. And I

1727
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:29,840
know I'm a better person than that person. So I

1728
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,640
guess I'll let mother Nature take one for the team

1729
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,720
and I'll cut down another rainforest in Borneo.

1730
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 1: But there's no planning behind this, there's no like, a

1731
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:41,039
better way to do this than this, And we can

1732
01:27:41,079 --> 01:27:43,039
do this is more sustainable because if we do it

1733
01:27:43,079 --> 01:27:45,199
this way, in fifty years, this is going to be repercussion.

1734
01:27:45,239 --> 01:27:46,640
So I just like get as much as you can. Like,

1735
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,399
have you ever watched a tweak or build a cabinet before?

1736
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:51,920
For instance, this is just something I saw twenty years ago.

1737
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,560
It's living in a really rough apartment in San Francisco.

1738
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:57,359
I left for the summer, and you know, a friend

1739
01:27:57,399 --> 01:27:59,920
moved in, who a friend of a friend moved in

1740
01:28:00,239 --> 01:28:02,880
who was a methadict, and they built a really fucked

1741
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:05,520
up cabinet. And I came back and saw this. At first,

1742
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:07,000
I was like, what the fuck do you do to

1743
01:28:07,039 --> 01:28:10,079
my apartment? And then I was like, what the fuck

1744
01:28:10,239 --> 01:28:12,479
is that? It looks like a cabinet, like a like

1745
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:14,880
it looks like a cabinet, met a birdhouse, met a

1746
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:17,479
drawing out of a Doctor Seuss book. It was the

1747
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,359
most mind blow I mean, this is and this is

1748
01:28:19,399 --> 01:28:22,640
what we're doing in terms of economies, in terms of

1749
01:28:23,159 --> 01:28:26,760
developing quote developing the world around us, the land use

1750
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:28,920
we put together. There's no planning to it at all.

1751
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,439
It's it's just how much money can I make as

1752
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:34,079
quick as possible and then slash and burn fuck it?

1753
01:28:34,159 --> 01:28:34,399
You know.

1754
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 2: It's and I think people assume that there is planning

1755
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,920
going on, you know. I think like part of the

1756
01:28:41,239 --> 01:28:47,600
of the like the aftertaste of the Great American experiment

1757
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:51,239
and like us being a massive superpower of a country,

1758
01:28:51,359 --> 01:28:54,479
is sort of the feeling that somebody's got it figure

1759
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:58,960
it out, Like of course Colorado wouldn't just you know,

1760
01:28:59,159 --> 01:29:04,520
like ze own something for you know, residential if it

1761
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:06,760
was going to be a problem, Like of course the

1762
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:09,239
Colorado River is going to have enough water in it.

1763
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:13,279
How could we plan something like that and fuck that

1764
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:16,399
up that bad? Right? And it's like no, Like every

1765
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,479
single time you just dig a little bit into the surface.

1766
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:23,720
It's like fourteen fucking guys in eighteen ninety one all

1767
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:26,560
got together and like, Okay, we're all going to tack

1768
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:30,600
this river up. Together and it never is always just

1769
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:34,600
a house of cards. And for the first time ever,

1770
01:29:35,239 --> 01:29:38,479
we have the ability to like as a as a

1771
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:44,800
global unit course correct and it's like, well maybe we can.

1772
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:47,600
I don't know. I don't want to be too nihilistic here,

1773
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:50,439
but like, I mean, there's a chance. There's always a chance.

1774
01:29:51,199 --> 01:29:55,600
Speaker 1: It's fucking terrifying. It's like being on a ship out

1775
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,000
at sea and you wake up in the middle of

1776
01:29:58,039 --> 01:30:00,479
the night because you feel some bumps and then you

1777
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:03,479
go up to look to like the captain's the fucking whatever,

1778
01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:05,800
the platform is where to navigate, and the wheel is,

1779
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:07,960
and you realize there's no one at the helm. Like,

1780
01:30:08,039 --> 01:30:09,720
there's no one at the helm. You're like, there's like

1781
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:12,119
a monkey driving the fucking You're like, oh shit, he's

1782
01:30:12,119 --> 01:30:14,000
got a cute little fezon and shit, he's playing the

1783
01:30:14,039 --> 01:30:16,840
accordion and smiling and he's very obviously I met the

1784
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:19,760
amphetamines and that's all that's that's who's driving the ship.

1785
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:22,760
You're like, holy fuck, there's no like that. And that's

1786
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,800
like kind of the trajectory humanity z on right now.

1787
01:30:26,079 --> 01:30:29,159
And and kind of as a result of of this

1788
01:30:29,319 --> 01:30:32,920
form of capitalism we're in it's crazy. It's fucking terrifying.

1789
01:30:33,039 --> 01:30:36,600
Like there is no plan for tomorrow. There's no plan

1790
01:30:37,159 --> 01:30:39,720
to make sure we all survive and make it another

1791
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:43,079
five hundred years. It is just get get in what,

1792
01:30:43,279 --> 01:30:45,159
get in what you can like if you can fit

1793
01:30:45,199 --> 01:30:46,600
in there and get some get it.

1794
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 2: You know, it does feel like a going out of

1795
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:51,119
business sale, doesn't it.

1796
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 1: Like pigs at a trough, Like literally, like pigs that

1797
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:55,079
a trough that get out of the way. I want

1798
01:30:55,079 --> 01:30:56,439
to get some too, you know. Fuck it, Well the

1799
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:59,119
foods that we don't have anymore, we're running out. You know,

1800
01:30:59,119 --> 01:31:01,560
maybe we should refill the trough now just get it. Well,

1801
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,319
it can't. It's yeah, it's it's scary shit. But uh,

1802
01:31:04,359 --> 01:31:06,840
you know, as a nihilist myself, I kind of uh,

1803
01:31:07,319 --> 01:31:10,039
you know, it's it's I guess I'm a more of

1804
01:31:10,079 --> 01:31:14,800
a catastrophist really if I express any political belief. But yeah, man, there's.

1805
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:17,279
Speaker 2: Never been a better time to be a catastrophist. I

1806
01:31:17,279 --> 01:31:24,760
mean you really to be like an interesting angled catastrophist

1807
01:31:25,159 --> 01:31:28,279
who's also into botany. I think this is You've nailed

1808
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:29,439
a genre here.

1809
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:31,600
Speaker 1: It's like that circle jerk song, you know when the

1810
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:33,560
ship hits the fan. It's kind of like that's like

1811
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:35,439
the ethos we all got a duck when the ship

1812
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:37,279
hits the fan. But you know, I wish it just

1813
01:31:37,359 --> 01:31:39,560
is frustrating for me because it doesn't it doesn't have

1814
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:42,600
to be this way like we could. They're like we

1815
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:46,119
have smart people, they're just not in charge, or if

1816
01:31:46,119 --> 01:31:49,640
they're smart, they're in charge, but they're they're there, their

1817
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:53,119
smartness is overshadowed by their greed, you know, and they're

1818
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:57,520
their membership of this like money loving cult. It's crazy.

1819
01:31:57,720 --> 01:31:59,960
It's crazy, But uh.

1820
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 2: No, I hate Shanghai your own podcast, But in our

1821
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:06,039
dwindling minutes do it? What do you think is? What

1822
01:32:06,079 --> 01:32:08,119
do you think is the way out? Like is there

1823
01:32:08,159 --> 01:32:11,159
a or is it better to look on sort of

1824
01:32:11,199 --> 01:32:15,399
a local level and like just try to embody the

1825
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:20,199
solution that might work on a global level and move forward, Like.

1826
01:32:20,159 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 1: What's the way out? As individuals? Like for people listening

1827
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:25,399
to this podcast, like there's a coping Yes, I.

1828
01:32:25,319 --> 01:32:29,920
Speaker 2: Feel like as as leaders, maybe as aspirational leaders of

1829
01:32:31,159 --> 01:32:33,560
various communities. I'm sure there's a lot of people listening

1830
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:36,560
to this who are like, yeah, I hold a certain

1831
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:38,399
amount of sway in my local group.

1832
01:32:39,079 --> 01:32:42,239
Speaker 1: Well, you know, if the if the well being and

1833
01:32:42,399 --> 01:32:45,399
future of our species depends on this living machine that

1834
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:49,520
we're inhabiting, which is the biosphere, I would say looking

1835
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:52,880
to the living machine for instructions and trying to understand

1836
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:57,920
it should be some of the utmost priority, and certainly

1837
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:03,199
not disassembling that living machine, uh and throwing out the pieces,

1838
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:07,319
you know, like again to make a tweaker reference, because

1839
01:33:07,319 --> 01:33:09,600
that's what our species behaving like, like a tweaker under

1840
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:11,640
the hood of a car, Like just what's this? What's

1841
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:13,319
this piece? Doe? I don't know, wrench it off, throw

1842
01:33:13,319 --> 01:33:14,840
it away? Fuck it? You know, what's this tube?

1843
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 2: Do?

1844
01:33:15,079 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 1: Fucking? What's this belt?

1845
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 2: Do?

1846
01:33:16,079 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 1: Fucking? I don't know. I got to get to this

1847
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:20,399
the problems with the end, you know, I would say,

1848
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:22,640
studying it and trying to understand it and expressing a

1849
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:25,399
little bit of humilia. I think I think the instructions

1850
01:33:25,399 --> 01:33:27,640
are in quote nature. I always say, I don't like

1851
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:29,920
the word nature. It's just the real world. It's you know,

1852
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:32,239
the word nature implies it's something different from us. There's

1853
01:33:32,359 --> 01:33:35,600
nature and humanity, humanity and nature. No, Nature's the real world.

1854
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:38,960
We're apart, you know, but I think if anything, you know,

1855
01:33:39,119 --> 01:33:41,279
where would I start. I don't know, teaching, you know,

1856
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:45,039
geologic time scale and grade school. Having people learn a

1857
01:33:45,119 --> 01:33:48,279
basic I mean it sounds absurd and irrelevant, but having people,

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you know, as first second grade understand the basic parts

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of plants, how natural selection works. I mean, this stuff

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is all around us. It's the living world, it's how

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we work, it's how everything you know. I think again,

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it's it's like more I guess I would take more

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of like a sagan esque approach, like you make like

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Carl Sagan, like you make science and technology such a

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bigger part of the education system, and and also just

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the culture in general. You know, I think that's really important.

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Like you go to New Zealand, they have fucking their

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native mushrooms and fauna and flora on their currency. You know,

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we got like some balding old white guy, Like why,

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I'm not saying he shouldn't be there necessarily, but maybe

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you could put something else in there too that's more

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pertinent to what is here. And I think, you know again,

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it's just we got to stop acting as a culture

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like we can discard this stuff or that it's only

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important if we can eat it or make a medicine

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out of it or whatever, or biofuel or whatever. It's like,

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the the living world is the answer. It's it's everything, man,

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It's the whole hu chain we depend on. So that's

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and that's what I try to I try to get

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people just look closer, right it. But I mean I

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for the people in power. I mean this is because

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it all comes down to that. It comes to a

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void of leadership at the top. And that's where I

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get confused. I'm like, I don't have an answer for that,

1885
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Like how do you make sure that the right people

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are in charge? Fuck? I don't know, man, I don't know.

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I don't know. Because the sociopaths are really good at

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getting to the top.

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Speaker 2: So they're they're incredible. They have such they got great

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skills at so much.

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Speaker 1: So much. Yeah, yeah, they're definitely. I really admire their

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their passion and their drive. It's like the condescending ship

1893
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people say to me somethings, I really admire your passion, but.

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Speaker 2: Love your attitude.

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Speaker 1: Man, so interesting, ah God, and then I just throw

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up on their shoes. But but yeah, man, I don't know.

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I I think uh, I think this. I think what

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you're doing is really important and I love your fucking

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channel and your sense of humor is hilarious, and thank

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you for being a voice of sanity to counteract, you know,

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like the kind of ship you see on the Joe

1902
01:35:53,159 --> 01:35:57,000
Rogan podcast or the Landman Show, which is still a

1903
01:35:57,039 --> 01:35:59,359
good show. But their rant was just their rant. He

1904
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went on, it's like, wait, Mills, I guess all scam.

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It's like renewable energy, just scam. We need oil? Like

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wait a minute, wait what what? Like no, but we

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you know, yeah, man, So thanks for doing what you do,

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and uh.

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Speaker 2: Of course thanks for thanks for and honestly right back

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at you. I feel like the more the more of

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your stuff I watch, the more I'm like, man, this,

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I wish I could learn even a hundredth of any

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of this. And the way you're able to just like

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produce more and more like information and sort of botany

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facts out of out of seemingly nowhere is really really impressive.

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So I think like you're you're a real leader to

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the community, and just keep keep it going and great

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to great you be on the pod.

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Speaker 1: Yeah man, thanks thanks to Lough for that. Don't watch

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too much, it'll drive you insane. So you know you're

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still listening to the.

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Speaker 2: Back and forth between your channel meditation and laying man,

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or as I call it, the Big Three.

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Speaker 1: Did you watch any of the eighteen sixty eight? Like?

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Those were good shows? Actually too. I don't watch much, but.

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Speaker 2: I haven't really watched that yet, but like it's on

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my list when I have a free fucking weekend. I haven't.

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I haven't clipped into it.

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Speaker 1: Western dramas. We're watching Western dramas anyway.

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Speaker 2: Just joining us. We're talking about Western dramas, folks. For men,

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buy men, ladies, take a HiPE.

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Speaker 1: It's for men crying together, men crying again. Man, I'm

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excited to see the videos you got coming out and

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again thanks again for coming on here and fucking a.

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You know I got your number now, so I must

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be sending you a text every once in a while,

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you know.

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Speaker 2: Please. I have a million questions about why my office

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plans are dying. Oh yeah, I'm sure I'll hit you.

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Speaker 1: Up about that anytime, anytime, man. I love answer questions,

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all right, man, Riley Williams, thank you so much, Thanks

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so much, man,