1 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Great Detectives of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho. 2 00:00:35,439 --> 00:00:39,039 This is your host, Adam Graham. In a moment, we're 3 00:00:39,079 --> 00:00:42,759 going to bring you this week's episode of The Big Story. 4 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,280 But first, I do want to encourage you. If you're 5 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:51,880 enjoying the podcast, please follow us using your favorite podcast software. 6 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,479 And I want to encourage you to check out our 7 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,920 other podcast and today I'm highlighting the old time Radio 8 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:03,759 Snackwagon now back for it's sixth season, and we've got 9 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:08,040 some great episodes coming up across a wide variety of genres. 10 00:01:08,359 --> 00:01:12,519 Check it out snackwagon dot net or wherever you get 11 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:19,000 your podcast from. But now, from January fast, nineteen forty nine, 12 00:01:19,239 --> 00:01:25,439 here is the episode called sixteen year Old Misfit Kills 13 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:26,599 out of Fear. 14 00:01:28,879 --> 00:01:43,519 Speaker 2: Hell Mel Famous Cigarettes Present a Big Story. 15 00:01:44,239 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 3: Frankie, Frankie, where are you? 16 00:01:50,599 --> 00:01:51,359 Speaker 4: Never listen? 17 00:01:52,200 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 5: Never run when I want them, Frankie. 18 00:01:58,560 --> 00:01:59,519 Speaker 6: And shit again. 19 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:02,439 Speaker 3: Someday he'll do something terrible. 20 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 5: I know it. 21 00:02:04,799 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 4: Get out. 22 00:02:05,719 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 6: Didn't you hear me? 23 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 3: Call you? 24 00:02:07,239 --> 00:02:07,879 Speaker 2: Get out of here? 25 00:02:07,959 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 6: Leave me alone? What are you doing now? What crazy thing? 26 00:02:11,759 --> 00:02:14,680 What's in that box? I told you? Leave me alone? 27 00:02:15,159 --> 00:02:16,319 Speaker 3: You are to come in the shed again. 28 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,319 Speaker 2: If you have to come sneaking in on me again, 29 00:02:18,319 --> 00:02:19,919 if you ever ask me again what I'm doing, what's 30 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:20,479 in his box? 31 00:02:21,479 --> 00:02:22,759 Speaker 7: So help me. I'll brain you. 32 00:02:23,759 --> 00:02:25,879 Speaker 3: I'll take a hammer and I'll brain you to death. 33 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 4: The big story here is America. 34 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: It's sound and its fury, it's joy and at sorrow, 35 00:02:40,199 --> 00:02:42,319 as faithfully reported by the men and women of the 36 00:02:42,319 --> 00:02:50,039 great American newspapers eight line, Louisville, Kentucky. The story of 37 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:54,080 a boy, a misfit of sixteen, a frightened boy who 38 00:02:54,159 --> 00:02:58,080 killed out of fear to reporter Al Aronson of the 39 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,599 Louisville Courier Journal or his excellent work in this case 40 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:17,800 goes the Pellmell Award for the big Story. Of all 41 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:23,919 America's leading cigarettes, only one is outstanding. Only one is outstanding. 42 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,439 It's the longer, finer cigarette hell Mell. 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So enjoy the longer, finer cigarette 52 00:03:58,919 --> 00:04:00,520 in the distinguished red package. 53 00:04:00,919 --> 00:04:01,439 Speaker 4: Hell Mail. 54 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: Hell Malls are good, good to look at, good to feel, 55 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:11,080 good to taste, and good to smoke. Hell Mel famous cigarettes, 56 00:04:11,639 --> 00:04:28,120 outstanding and they are mild. Now The story as it 57 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:40,720 actually happened. Reporter Al Aronson's story as he lived it Louisville, Kentucky. 58 00:04:42,879 --> 00:04:45,959 Speaker 8: You didn't know about it, Al Aronson, reporter for the 59 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,079 Louisville Courier Journal. No one on the paper knew about it, 60 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,959 but it would electrify you and all of Louisville within 61 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:00,399 an hour. It happened, This frightening, pathetic thing to live 62 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,360 with you the rest of your life. It happened just 63 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:09,040 across the river from Louisville, in New Albany, Indiana, six 64 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:13,759 miles from where you sat enjoying your breakfast. It began 65 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,959 in the first Farmers Bank, corner of Eastern Maypole in 66 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,439 New Albany, Henry Easton. The bank teller said to Ernest Thornton, 67 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:27,519 the cashier. Hey, Ernie, look at that limousine just pulling up. 68 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 7: It must be a half a block long. What a 69 00:05:29,639 --> 00:05:32,240 car I meet here? Who is it? 70 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 4: Don't know? Must be a new depositor. 71 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 7: Every show for him, some star, and they come. 72 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 4: It's a kid, some rich man's son. 73 00:05:41,759 --> 00:05:42,199 Speaker 9: Probably. 74 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 7: Oh, oh, isn't Henry, hasn't Donny. 75 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 4: He's got a he's got a gun. 76 00:05:47,439 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 3: Mister Adams, mister Adams, mister Adams, shut up, stand still, 77 00:05:52,519 --> 00:05:53,319 all your stand still? 78 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:55,319 Speaker 6: Where's Adams? 79 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:57,519 Speaker 3: Where's the president of the Spatch? 80 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:57,759 Speaker 6: No? 81 00:05:58,839 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 4: Now? 82 00:05:59,040 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 3: What is this shoe? 83 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 4: They shut up? 84 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:03,079 Speaker 3: Around? Are you Adams? 85 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 4: Yes, I'm mister Adams. 86 00:06:05,079 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 7: Went around and water to the vault. 87 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 3: You don't think you can, kid? You think I don't 88 00:06:10,519 --> 00:06:12,519 mean it all right? 89 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:14,639 Speaker 4: You refuse to go to the vault? 90 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:21,399 Speaker 3: I do, and I the queen? Okay, who else refuses 91 00:06:21,439 --> 00:06:22,160 to go to the vault? 92 00:06:23,199 --> 00:06:30,079 Speaker 4: Come on talk? Oh okay, you laid me there? 93 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 7: Should we rush him? 94 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 4: Kill us? 95 00:06:31,639 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 7: Even so? I think whispering, don't. 96 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 6: You chauffeur? 97 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 3: Go out in the car and stop the motor. Yes, 98 00:06:44,759 --> 00:06:46,839 I can't take this place now so much noise. 99 00:06:47,439 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 4: You're gonna drive me where I want to go? 100 00:06:48,759 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 10: And I'm ready to come. 101 00:06:49,639 --> 00:06:55,319 Speaker 8: Back, holding the gun before him. 102 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 4: The kid. 103 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 8: One dead man thought he was a rich man's son. 104 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,720 Another dead man thought he could be rushed, and a 105 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,040 third dead man thought he could be urged. The kid, 106 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,879 he was sixteen, forced the liveried chauffeur into the sleek 107 00:07:09,959 --> 00:07:14,079 limousine and drove away. And that was all anybody saw 108 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:20,399 her that morning. Three dead, a sixteen year old murderer escaped. 109 00:07:24,439 --> 00:07:28,959 You get the story, you youthful, serious, and I for 110 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:29,720 every detail. 111 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:30,839 Speaker 4: Al Arenson. 112 00:07:31,639 --> 00:07:35,079 Speaker 8: The first lead, twelve hours after the attempted robbery and 113 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,680 triple murder, came from a hospital bed in New Albany, 114 00:07:38,759 --> 00:07:42,199 just across the river. A man was perhaps an hour 115 00:07:42,319 --> 00:07:45,279 to live, A man with a hole through his chest 116 00:07:45,399 --> 00:07:50,279 made by a forty five the liveried chauffeur George Murphy. 117 00:07:52,439 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: Now, don't raise your voice, George, I can hear you. Fine, 118 00:07:56,959 --> 00:08:02,319 Thank you, misters. There's like I told you, sir. He 119 00:08:02,439 --> 00:08:04,879 picked me up sitting in the car about nine thirty in. 120 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 9: The morning in Louisville. 121 00:08:06,519 --> 00:08:09,759 Speaker 10: What was yes, sir, I drive from mister Norton at 122 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,399 the Steel Plans, made me drive across the. 123 00:08:12,439 --> 00:08:18,759 Speaker 7: Bri but uh it bad George. No, it's not too bad, sir. 124 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:21,480 Made me drive up to the bank. 125 00:08:22,199 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 10: He knew that bank too, says, says, nobody'll be in 126 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,959 there now. I'll just to cats here, the teller and 127 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:28,680 the president. 128 00:08:29,319 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 4: He was right, wasn't he? 129 00:08:30,759 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 10: Yes, sir, that's right. 130 00:08:32,399 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 7: He got there, kept. 131 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 10: A gun on my side and made me go in 132 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,639 with him. He killed them three men, made me go 133 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,240 out and drive 'em away, misr. I tried to turn 134 00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:45,639 'em in. Uh, how do you mean, George? When I 135 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,679 uh tried to mix him up, turning corners and twist 136 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,799 and so on, and tried to pull him into the 137 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,159 police station. But well, he knew the town. Told me 138 00:08:54,519 --> 00:08:57,360 turn down here, turn down the aim all the time 139 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:58,039 keeping him awake. 140 00:08:59,159 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 3: It's a now, Uh, I'm s I'm sorry. 141 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 7: I said take it easy too, Yes, sir. 142 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,759 Speaker 10: We all the time he'd keep me from driving to 143 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:09,799 the police station New Alleys. 144 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 7: I I didn't have know myself, and it made me 145 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:14,759 go down near the river front. 146 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,159 Speaker 10: Was a little blind outy. I never did see it before. 147 00:09:17,799 --> 00:09:19,759 That's the way the way he done it to me. 148 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,679 Said to me, you might keep your mouth shut, but 149 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,399 I'm making sure. And then he shot you, Yes, sir, 150 00:09:29,039 --> 00:09:31,759 It stuck a gun right next to my chest and 151 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:32,679 pull a trigger. 152 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,039 Speaker 7: Had a smile on his face. 153 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 10: See he was mean, messed, a bad mean no more 154 00:09:39,039 --> 00:09:41,440 on sixteen real mean? 155 00:09:41,879 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 4: What uh? 156 00:09:42,399 --> 00:09:43,159 Speaker 7: What did he look like? 157 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 6: Well? 158 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 10: A big fella six one six two, only sixteen or seventeen, 159 00:09:48,919 --> 00:09:52,879 the most pimples on his face, and a foul tongue, sir, 160 00:09:53,399 --> 00:09:56,000 I tell you, a foul cuss his own mother. 161 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 3: Ever seen him before? 162 00:09:57,759 --> 00:09:58,639 Speaker 7: N no, sir. 163 00:09:59,639 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 10: But but the way he knew them streets, knew how 164 00:10:02,039 --> 00:10:06,039 to turn, knew the bank. He must must be a 165 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,200 local boy, I figure. 166 00:10:07,639 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 3: But Georgie, maybe George, George. 167 00:10:16,639 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 8: You take the theory given to you by the heroic 168 00:10:19,519 --> 00:10:22,559 negro chauffeur who tried to steer the car to the 169 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,720 police station. You take his idea that this was a 170 00:10:25,799 --> 00:10:28,720 local boy and there are no other clues to the cops. 171 00:10:29,519 --> 00:10:32,360 Lieutenant Edmunds listens, lights up a cigar, But. 172 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 7: He's chewing a local boy. Couldn't be. Couldn't be. 173 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 3: But but he knew the town from the chauffe's description, he 174 00:10:37,879 --> 00:10:38,720 knew it as well as you. 175 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 7: I know every hold him in this town, every one 176 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,360 of them. Killer isn't here. There's nine kids, maybe ten 177 00:10:44,399 --> 00:10:46,759 who fit that description and checked everyone. They didn't do it. 178 00:10:46,799 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: But if you'd heard the chauffeur, Lieutenant, if you'd heard, 179 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,399 if you're a bride reporter, answer me this. 180 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 7: He wants to do a hole up in the wall. 181 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: Why does he go over the bridge to Louis Bill, 182 00:10:54,399 --> 00:10:56,159 get the car, forced the chauffer all the way back 183 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:57,360 here and then do the hold up? 184 00:10:57,759 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 7: Does that make sense? No, but it's stuck nothing. That 185 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:02,759 was a local New Albany boy. 186 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 2: It had happened in the kop and halfway up for sentencing, 187 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:11,159 wry something news. 188 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 8: Lieutenant Edmunds knows New Albany knows it's hoodlums, it's racketeers. 189 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 4: Knows what he's talking about. 190 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,799 Speaker 8: But you aral aronson and stubborn and a man with 191 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,879 an eye for facts. You don't easily shake the sight 192 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,600 of the dead Chauffeur George Murphy from your mind or 193 00:11:30,919 --> 00:11:37,279 his words. So you start looking in dives and pool 194 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,120 rooms and the sordid places, having no others that young 195 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:42,159 hoodlums gather. 196 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 9: But always I never heard of nobody look like that. 197 00:11:46,279 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 8: Pimples Always the wise guy grinned a gag and the 198 00:11:50,759 --> 00:11:51,679 shaking of the head. 199 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 4: And then. 200 00:11:55,279 --> 00:11:56,799 Speaker 7: I thought, as a. 201 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 4: Kid who knew the term that well, must. 202 00:11:58,759 --> 00:12:02,639 Speaker 8: Have lived here, maybe move move. That's it lived here 203 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,279 and moved. You go to the movers in town. There 204 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,600 are six. The first four I know nothing about it. 205 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,919 The description means nothing, but the. 206 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 2: Fifth A mean kid, dark haired, pimples, real low down, 207 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:15,320 mean kid. 208 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 4: That's the one. 209 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I moved him to Louisville. Him and his 210 00:12:19,759 --> 00:12:22,120 own man what was his name, I'll. 211 00:12:21,919 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 4: Never forget him. 212 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 2: Said he'd helped me with a crate, big crate, kind 213 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,759 of a piano crate, but no piano in it. When 214 00:12:27,759 --> 00:12:29,440 I had it up, he let it well, he let 215 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,480 go his end. He busted my leg. I could have 216 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,720 killed him. But his own man was there. What was 217 00:12:33,759 --> 00:12:38,000 the name Jensen or Henson something like that. Benson Benson, Yeah, 218 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,600 Frankie Benson, a real mean little rat with a foul mouth, 219 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:43,639 an all American punk. 220 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 9: You find the home of the mean, foul mouthed. 221 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 8: Kid in Louisville, a CD two room shack, kitchen and bedroom, 222 00:12:57,639 --> 00:13:00,440 a little shed in the back or attired beat an 223 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,559 old man listens to you, and. 224 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 5: Before you're half through, it's him. Don't say no more. 225 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,480 It's him. Four men killed, you. 226 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,799 Speaker 3: Said, that's right, mister Benson. Sooner or later it had 227 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:13,080 to be. 228 00:13:14,039 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 5: Now it happened a son, a man slaves a whole 229 00:13:18,519 --> 00:13:19,320 life for a boy. 230 00:13:19,759 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 6: His mother died eight years ago. I never married again. 231 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 7: Who'd marry me? 232 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 4: And this? 233 00:13:25,919 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 6: I knew it. I knew it. It had to happen. 234 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 5: Has he been around since? When did he do it? Tuesday? 235 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:40,320 Today's Thursday? Yesterday he disappeared? No, No, Thursday today, he 236 00:13:40,399 --> 00:13:45,399 disappeared today. Excuse me if I'm a little mixed up 237 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,879 on the days. Of course, you've no idea where he 238 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:52,840 went away. That's all he said. Away except the note. 239 00:13:53,519 --> 00:13:54,960 Now it comes to me, the note. 240 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:55,519 Speaker 6: What it meant? 241 00:13:55,639 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 3: What note, mister Bencer, He left me a note? 242 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,919 Speaker 5: I'll get it. If I tell you, you won't believe me. 243 00:14:00,399 --> 00:14:02,320 Step inside into here. 244 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:07,639 Speaker 8: Here is the only other room, the bedroom. He opens 245 00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:11,399 a closet where rags hang in one decent suit of clothes, 246 00:14:12,039 --> 00:14:15,440 and in a pocket he finds a piece of crumpled paper, 247 00:14:15,759 --> 00:14:19,159 cheap note paper with lines in it, and in childish 248 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,120 handwriting is a note. 249 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,559 Speaker 6: Read it, Read it, you wouldn't believe it. 250 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:31,399 Speaker 4: Otherwise, this is his writing, his stop me, stop me 251 00:14:31,639 --> 00:14:33,440 please before I do it again. 252 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 6: That was after he murdered them four men. 253 00:14:38,279 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 7: Ah, it's awful. 254 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 5: Mister. Do you do you think you can find him? 255 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:45,279 Do you think you can stop. 256 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 4: Him before he does it again? 257 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:49,639 Speaker 6: Before he does it again? 258 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 4: I can try. 259 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 3: We've got to him, mister Benson Wheat, we just got. 260 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:12,799 Speaker 2: To We'll be back in just a moment with tonight's 261 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:30,600 big story. 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Pell Mell Famous cigarettes, outstanding, and 281 00:16:40,879 --> 00:16:56,039 they are mild. This is Si Harris returning you to 282 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,879 your narrator and reporter Al Aaronson's story as he lived 283 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:02,200 and wrote it. 284 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 8: It's only a few minutes since the father admitted that 285 00:17:05,079 --> 00:17:09,200 his son is a murderer to you, Al Arenson, reporter 286 00:17:09,279 --> 00:17:13,319 for the Louisville Courier Journal. Just a short time since 287 00:17:13,319 --> 00:17:16,480 the father showed you the fear in his heart and 288 00:17:16,559 --> 00:17:21,319 the terror and desperation in his son's a boy of 289 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:26,440 sixteen who feared he'd kill and kill again unless he 290 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:33,759 was stopped. He set now in the bare kitchen on 291 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:37,000 a rickety chair, and listen to the history of this boy, 292 00:17:37,759 --> 00:17:41,680 this mean, foul mouthed boy, waiting for a clue that 293 00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:43,240 might tell you where to find him. 294 00:17:43,839 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 5: He was bad since he was ten. A week after 295 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,799 his birthday, he stole a knife and tried to cut 296 00:17:49,839 --> 00:17:54,160 one of his friend's fingers off. I stopped him. Why 297 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:58,000 did he do it? A lot of reasons. He was bad, 298 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,480 his mother was dead. I saw him only a few 299 00:18:01,519 --> 00:18:04,160 hours a week. I worked the only work I could 300 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,960 get out of town. He lived like a like a 301 00:18:08,039 --> 00:18:11,279 wild animal, in the streets and the gutters. 302 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:12,839 Speaker 4: Don't blame yourself with de Benson. 303 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 5: Blame blame. I don't blame anyone. I tell you only 304 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:23,359 the facts. He stole twice. He was caught twice a 305 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,839 year in reform school each time. And how'd he come out? 306 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,400 Of course, you know about reform schools. 307 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 6: If he was. 308 00:18:31,319 --> 00:18:33,279 Speaker 5: Wild before he went in. When he came out, he 309 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,880 was sly, a fox, a wolf waiting for his chance. 310 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,319 Small boys he tortured, tied them up. Things he saw 311 00:18:41,319 --> 00:18:44,000 in the movies he did to them like the Indians, 312 00:18:44,039 --> 00:18:47,680 and in some of the magazines he read where he 313 00:18:47,759 --> 00:18:48,079 got him. 314 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:48,559 Speaker 6: I don't know. 315 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,279 Speaker 3: I know what happens to kids sometimes kids. 316 00:18:52,039 --> 00:18:55,559 Speaker 5: He was bigger than me, four inches bigger, weighed a 317 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,000 hundred and seventy pounds. If I asked him to come 318 00:18:59,039 --> 00:19:02,119 into the house, to work. Maybe I raised my voice. 319 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:07,680 He hit me many times. He knocked me down at 320 00:19:07,799 --> 00:19:10,319 night at night. 321 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:12,039 Speaker 4: I don't understand. 322 00:19:12,279 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 5: No one i'd understand. At night he slept with a gun, 323 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:23,759 a gun of forty five. I saw it once, a 324 00:19:23,839 --> 00:19:27,400 gun under his pillar. We gotta find him, to stop him, 325 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,200 to to. 326 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:30,079 Speaker 6: Take care of him. 327 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,079 Speaker 3: Mister Benson. You you say he just disappeared the day 328 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:33,839 after the killing. 329 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 6: This the boxer. I didn't tell you about the box, 330 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,240 that's right, the day after the killings. 331 00:19:39,519 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 7: What box? I don't know. 332 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 5: Maybe it ain't important. It was to him. He said 333 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,240 he'd bring me once. If I ain't the fear it, 334 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:51,039 he would have too. He he got a piano crate somewheres, 335 00:19:51,839 --> 00:19:54,400 brought it into the shed. This is when we lived 336 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,559 in New Albany, before we moved and fixed it up. 337 00:19:58,519 --> 00:20:01,839 Speaker 6: He called it camping out. You know. 338 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 5: He'd get in the box and spend a whole day there, 339 00:20:05,039 --> 00:20:07,119 never come out, even eating there. 340 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 6: Maybe he's just a child's game. I don't know. 341 00:20:10,319 --> 00:20:13,079 Speaker 3: Maybe lots of kids do things like that. Why did 342 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,319 you mention the box, mister Benson. 343 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 5: Because they day before he disappeared. The only thing he 344 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,160 said to me, This was after he killed those men. 345 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,799 He said, I'm leaving money for the box. Ship it 346 00:20:25,839 --> 00:20:29,000 to Knoxville. Knoxville. Where he got the money from, I 347 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,519 don't know he he never worked a day in his life. 348 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 3: I didn't give it to him. Where in Knoxville General Delivery? 349 00:20:36,039 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 5: I remember because he said, here's the money, go right 350 00:20:39,799 --> 00:20:44,279 down the address. Remember it General Delivery, Knoxville. And you 351 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,160 send it, shouldn't I have no? I don't want to 352 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:48,480 ask me. 353 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 3: I said it, yes to see but a railway expression. Yeah, 354 00:20:54,799 --> 00:20:56,519 have you got the receipt? Yes, give it to me. 355 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:07,559 What just maybe nothing? But give it to me. You 356 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:11,839 check the neighborhood. No one saw Frankie leave town. That's 357 00:21:11,839 --> 00:21:15,079 said he got to the police, to Lieutenant Edmunds. So 358 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,839 once before I told you your theory was cracked. Say 359 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,920 that again, Aarons, and I don't think my hearing's that bad. 360 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,920 I said, this kid sent a packing crate out of 361 00:21:24,039 --> 00:21:26,839 turn to General Delivery in Knoxville, and I want to. 362 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:27,799 Speaker 4: Investigate that crate. 363 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 7: What are you trying to prove nothing? 364 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 3: I want your cooperation to find out where that crate 365 00:21:31,799 --> 00:21:33,240 is and see what's inside of it. 366 00:21:33,279 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 7: Is that going to tell us where little Frankie is admired. 367 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 6: What did he do? 368 00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:38,799 Speaker 2: Leave an old inside and say you will find me 369 00:21:38,839 --> 00:21:40,279 at the wall of the story in New York. 370 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,559 Speaker 3: I don't know what we'll find from what his father said. 371 00:21:42,599 --> 00:21:43,680 This kid's been bad. 372 00:21:43,519 --> 00:21:44,079 Speaker 4: A long time. 373 00:21:44,319 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 7: His kid's been bad since he was born. 374 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 3: Look, let's fight about it. All I want is in 375 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,240 order to stop the crate examined it. 376 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 7: Not I play hunches long shots. I'm scrowey, but not 377 00:21:53,799 --> 00:21:54,440 this scrowy. 378 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 3: Uh who found out where Frankie lived? 379 00:21:58,799 --> 00:21:59,279 Speaker 7: Okay? 380 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 3: Who said he couldn't possibly be a local boy? 381 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 7: Okay? Maybe I am. That's screwy. Hennessy got the railway 382 00:22:09,279 --> 00:22:11,680 express on the phone. I want to place a quiet 383 00:22:12,079 --> 00:22:13,079 shipton Knoxville. 384 00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:26,559 Speaker 2: That's the warehouse, lieutenant, that big one, Yes, sir, warehouse three, 385 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,160 the krits and sexual d want me to go in 386 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:29,480 with you? 387 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 7: What for the checkered crepe. I'm a big boy, Yeah, sir, 388 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,240 Lieutenant got. 389 00:22:34,079 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 2: A flashlight once a matter of no lights in that ouse, 390 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,440 the lieutenant dowly a warehouse. 391 00:22:38,599 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 4: I got a flash Lieutenant. 392 00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:55,599 Speaker 7: Prepared for anything? Yeah, yes, sir, Lieutenant in Section D 393 00:22:56,759 --> 00:23:00,799 must be down there. Yeah you see all right? 394 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 3: What the devil you're whispering about. 395 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 7: I don't know what are you whispering for? 396 00:23:04,839 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 3: Shut up? 397 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,839 Speaker 7: I'm sorry. You know, this crazy idea of yours is 398 00:23:08,839 --> 00:23:13,839 getting I know me too. Wait a minute, there it is. 399 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:14,200 I think. 400 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 4: Let's see. 401 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:16,799 Speaker 7: Oh here's the address. 402 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, General Delivery Knox. So same hand, right hand ready, 403 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:21,559 same as on the note. 404 00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 4: I told you about the note. 405 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:31,559 Speaker 7: Ye. But now let's let's look a little. Stop whispering. Look, 406 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,039 why holds about. 407 00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 3: Six eight holes in the top, same on the side 408 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,200 on this side too, So why I think the rare holes? 409 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:39,839 What are you talking about? 410 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 4: He's inside the kid, I tell you, he's in that box. 411 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 7: You're nuts. 412 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 3: Watch brought a candle. I'm gonna light it and while 413 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,559 it's burning, it'll go inside the box. 414 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 4: What for? 415 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 7: Don't slide of chet back up a little? That's it. 416 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:56,519 Speaker 4: You're in that box. 417 00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:57,039 Speaker 7: You're crazy. 418 00:23:57,079 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 4: Kid. Come out. 419 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 7: You're in that cat on the side of the box. 420 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 2: Do you hear me? 421 00:24:05,519 --> 00:24:14,039 Speaker 7: Listen? Take up your inside that box like the candle. 422 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:16,359 Watch hot, you know? 423 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,599 Speaker 3: Okay, I hate to do this, but I'm gonna wiggle 424 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:21,440 it around. 425 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 4: It's like your thirty cowers. I got a gun, so 426 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,599 help me if you don't leave me alone, I. 427 00:24:27,559 --> 00:24:29,279 Speaker 7: Said, come out, I've got a chance. 428 00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 4: Watch it. Stay way. 429 00:24:31,319 --> 00:24:31,839 Speaker 7: What are you doing? 430 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 3: The only thing we can do. I'm gonna roll the 431 00:24:34,759 --> 00:24:39,359 crate over. Watch up ill, okay, together. 432 00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:41,079 Speaker 4: Now roll it. Never get me your love? 433 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 8: You not what? 434 00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 9: Never but never. It's a long time. 435 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,759 Speaker 8: And after three more turns of the crate there's silence inside, 436 00:24:55,480 --> 00:25:00,000 no more shots, no more despairing threats. And then you, 437 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,839 oh and the lieutenant open it up and out comes 438 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,440 the mean, foul mouthed boy of sixteen, who did all 439 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:14,640 these things, these unspeakable things, robbery, sawt brutality, taught his 440 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:21,400 father murder. He comes out and asks two questions, Can. 441 00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 6: You tell me why I did it? Can you? 442 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,519 Speaker 7: Can you help me? Mister? Can you? 443 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:35,839 Speaker 8: And then he collapses. And in the end, after the arrest, 444 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:41,359 after the confession, you and his beaten aged father examined 445 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,359 the box his camping out place, and you find. 446 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 5: Look like a pullman compartment. He fixed it with a bed. 447 00:25:53,319 --> 00:25:56,319 You could sleep here at day two days. 448 00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:00,519 Speaker 3: He had containers under the seat. It's one there's water 449 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:07,000 and this is for food. The lantern look, wisdom, the 450 00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:10,720 lantern I see and matches and what a proof case, 451 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:16,319 a knife for more guns. He had quite an arsenal. 452 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 5: The magazines, look at all the magazines. 453 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 8: And then something that brings your heart, that touches everything 454 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,799 and colors it. 455 00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 3: Dense look black hat, black shirt, black pants, and mask 456 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:44,000 to wear over his eyes, and false black whiskers. 457 00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 8: You write the story, al Arenson. The case is finished, 458 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:59,359 the killer found. But when you're done, the biggest story 459 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,759 is left on, written unsaid. 460 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 7: Whose fault, Who's to blame? 461 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 8: How does it happen in this year of our Lord 462 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,839 nineteen forty nine, that a boy of sixteen could murder 463 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,880 four men, ship himself to Knoxville, and carry with him 464 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:32,200 an arsenal, loaded guns, and a mask of false whiskers. 465 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 2: In just a moment, we'll read you a telegram from 466 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,559 mal Aronson of the Louisville Courier Journal with a final 467 00:27:43,599 --> 00:28:00,720 outcome of tonight's big story. Of all America's leader cigarettes, 468 00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:06,440 only one is outstanding. Only one is outstanding. 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Now we read you that telegram from 479 00:28:53,759 --> 00:28:56,079 Al Arenson of the Louisville Courier Journal. 480 00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:59,119 Speaker 3: Further examination of crate used is hideout by killer in 481 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,039 Tonight's Big Store revealed that one side of it was 482 00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:04,519 so hinged that it could be locked or open from 483 00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:07,880 the inside. He had also provided straps to hold himself 484 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,119 and his provisions steady while in transit. News of his 485 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,160 capture so are our citizens of New Albany, Indiana. The 486 00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:18,000 police were compelled to transfer him to Indiana Reformatory at Jeffersonville. 487 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,359 Tried for murder, he was sentenced to life imprisonment in 488 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,079 the state penitentiary. 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Of the Pell Mell five hundred 492 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,480 dollars Award for Notable Service in the field of Journalism. 493 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,440 Listen again next week, same time, same station, when Pellmell 494 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:42,960 Famous Cigarettes will present another Big Story, A big story 495 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,319 from the front pages of the Jacksonville Journal Byline Lee Cully. 496 00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:51,680 A big story about an abandoned school, a weird old man, 497 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,119 and the witch who walked in the night. 498 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 4: The Big Story is produced by Bernard J. 499 00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:16,279 Speaker 2: Proctor, with music by Vladimir Selenski. Tonight's program was written 500 00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:20,200 by Arnold Pearl. Your narrator was Bob Sloan and James 501 00:30:20,279 --> 00:30:23,839 McAllion played the part of Al Aronson. In order to 502 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,200 protect the names of people actually involved in Tonight's authentic 503 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,480 Big Story, the names of all characters and the dramatization 504 00:30:31,559 --> 00:30:34,599 were changed, with the exception of the reporter, mister Aaronson. 505 00:30:43,559 --> 00:30:45,759 This is Ernest Chapple speaking for the makers of Pall 506 00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:47,319 Maw Famous Cigarettes. 507 00:30:54,119 --> 00:30:57,359 Speaker 3: This is NBC, the National Broadcasting Company. 508 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: Welcome back well. In this episode, in addition to mcallian, 509 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,960 we heard Martin Wolfson, Santos Ortega, who was really in 510 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:26,480 everything in New York Radio. Then you had Jackie Grimes 511 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:32,279 and Grant Richards to Joe Webb's Great Resource Story. The 512 00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:38,119 Stories behind the Big Story actually has details on where 513 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:44,119 this story originated from, and it was actually from US 514 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:50,480 an incident that occurred in November of nineteen o nine 515 00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:55,359 when there was a daytime robbery of the Merchant's National 516 00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:00,960 Bank and four people were killed in the pross and 517 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,559 that is really the extent to which the story has 518 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,400 truth in it, and a chauffeur was among those killed 519 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,279 as well as bank employees. I often say The Big 520 00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:18,720 Story is a true Ish crime series, and this episode 521 00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:25,359 illustrates why there is a basic crime and circumstances that 522 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,359 are involved, but the embellishments really take it to being 523 00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:36,839 very fictitious. Of course, there's the issue of narrative framing, 524 00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:42,160 and we've talked about this in another episode, where the 525 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:47,960 way the case was presented was changed to tie into 526 00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:52,440 a cultural narrative of the time about the problem of 527 00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:57,559 juvenile delinquency. That ending question, how could this happen in 528 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,799 nineteen forty nine, Well it didn't. It happened in nineteen 529 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:08,880 o nine. There were two world wars and a depression 530 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:15,279 in between this story and this episode, and I don't 531 00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:19,279 think that the episode really showed that he killed out 532 00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:23,200 of fear or even much that he was a misfit, 533 00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:26,759 But it was trying to go for the narrative. Of course, 534 00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:30,240 out of context, it could be read, what is the 535 00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:34,359 postal service in this country doing that people are shipping 536 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:39,039 themselves around in nineteen forty nine and able to carry 537 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,599 all of the stuff with them. That would be worse 538 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,200 because that was not actually part of the story of 539 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:56,240 the young killer Thomas Jefferson Hole where according to doctor 540 00:33:56,359 --> 00:34:00,400 Joe Webb, that police caught him as he tried to 541 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:05,599 cross the Ohio River to the Kentucky side on a skiff. 542 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,559 So the whole idea of this crate is an invention 543 00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:15,920 for the radio show. Now, I should say that even 544 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:21,480 though it didn't actually happen, it is plausible because people 545 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:27,400 did ship themselves around, and piano crates were huge, and 546 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,519 they were built from very sturdy wood, and so you 547 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:38,039 could kind of curl up in there, and nothing that 548 00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:42,679 he did was impossible. It's a bit implausible that this 549 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,880 seventeen year old juvenile delinquent is going to have the 550 00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:54,480 sort of mad carpentry skills, a mechanical genius, and also 551 00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:58,559 a knowledge of how the freight companies work, and this 552 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,400 sort of like z then master sort of physical discipline 553 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:09,400 to stay still the whole time. That plus, just as 554 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:16,840 a practical matter, nobody saw him particular radio take, and 555 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,800 so he didn't need to go to all this trouble. 556 00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:24,880 I mean, I guess if you'd already prepared the create 557 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,760 in advance as your escape plan, you wouldn't think about 558 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,079 whether it was necessary or not, or you think, you know, 559 00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:36,000 I don't technically need to do it this way, but 560 00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:40,639 I've already built out this really cool box with hinges 561 00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:47,159 and secret compartments and secret and a full down bed, 562 00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:52,760 and I've got the money for the shipping, and I've 563 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,760 just got to it. I mean, that is the best reason. 564 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:02,079 If I've been planning on making a secret escape in 565 00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:06,159 a piano cright, then you gotta do it. It doesn't 566 00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:08,039 matter if you don't need to, You've got to do 567 00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:15,159 it now. One thing that's really interesting is that I 568 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:20,480 do have access to the performance scripts for each episode, 569 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,920 and this episode was had a couple of funny changes. 570 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:30,000 The funniest to me was that the original script as 571 00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:35,440 type had him being shipped to a po box, which 572 00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:41,119 just raises so many questions, well, listener comments and feedback now, 573 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:46,320 and we start on Patreon where Joel comments great cast, 574 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:51,519 and then Harrison like me for the follow up on 575 00:36:51,639 --> 00:36:58,440 the previous episode and said the said regarding episode the 576 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,599 lottery the minute the cop otis mac, I knew I'd 577 00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:04,639 heard that somewhere before, but couldn't recall where. Thanks for 578 00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:08,719 mentioning Casey crime photographer, Otherwise it would have driven me 579 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,639 a bit crazy. And yeah, there are those cases where 580 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,679 you just hear a case and it sounds familiar, like 581 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,039 I've heard that before, and it sets me down a 582 00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:23,199 rabbit hole trying to figure out where did I hear 583 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,960 that before? And if I don't solve it, yeah, it's 584 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,440 it's going to bother me. So appreciate your comment. And 585 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:38,599 then I have a comment over from YouTube where James 586 00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:43,239 Rise's very interesting story and well acted well. Thanks so much, James. 587 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,320 And now it is time to thank or Patreon supporter 588 00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:50,760 of the day, and I want to thank Jennifer, Patreon 589 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,880 supporter since November twenty nineteen, currently supporting the podcast at 590 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,800 the rookie level of two dollars more per month. Thanks 591 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,320 so much for your support, jenn and that will do 592 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,880 it for today. If you're enjoying the podcast, please follow 593 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,280 us using your favorite podcast software, and be sure to 594 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,280 rate and review the podcast wherever you download it from. 595 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,039 We'll be back next Tuesday with another episode of the 596 00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:19,360 Big Story. But join us back here tomorrow for Broadways 597 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,400 my beat where. 598 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 3: A nervous twitch, Danny to juggle things in my right hand. 599 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 4: Maybe I'll be remembered for it. 600 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,159 Speaker 7: What have we got, doctor Sinsky? 601 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,679 Speaker 11: The man lying there, They found him in his bed 602 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,360 last night, murdered these that murdered him, two. 603 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 7: Bullets, twenty two and a thirty two. Wouldn't you say so, doctor. 604 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,119 Speaker 9: That I wouldn't know. 605 00:38:43,679 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 11: What I know is only one of these was needed 606 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,880 to kill him, either one. The man was wanted dead twice, Danny. 607 00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:57,280 He was killed twice, two bullets, different size, twice dead. 608 00:38:57,679 --> 00:38:58,639 Speaker 7: You know who he was. 609 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,199 Speaker 6: And they brought him to me last night. 610 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,039 Speaker 11: There was a tag on him, a name Tom keeler 611 00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:05,559 An addressed to Nixon Hotel. 612 00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 4: Nothing else, no other words. Is living about? Why such things? 613 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:11,599 You're sure, doctor? 614 00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:15,320 Speaker 11: You're sure that each wound was a mortal wound, Danny, 615 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,079 each wound couldn't. 616 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 1: You'll be with us then in the meantime, sends your 617 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,920 comments to Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot yet, follow 618 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,119 us on Twitter at Radio Detectives, and check us out 619 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:34,679 on Instagram, Instagram dot com slash Great Detective from Boise Altohol. 620 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,000 This is your host, Adam Graham, signing off.