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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. Now here is your host, DJ leaves.

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Speaker 2: Well, we get ready for a fourth of July holiday

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weekend here in the US of a red, white and

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blue apple pie baseball and fights.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there actually are a couple of fights, but you

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know what, they're not in the United States. We're going

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to talk about this coming up. It is the Big

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Fight Weekend previewpot. I'm merely the somewhat capable host.

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Speaker 1: TJ. Reeves.

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Speaker 3: Hello to Uncle Sam himself, our insider Dan Rayphiel. Fight

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Freaks Unite is the substack. It's a new month. Why

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are you not subscribing on the Fight Freaks Unite substack

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and newsletter. Good to be back with you. I can

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confirm to the video audience Dan is not in a red,

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white and blue top hat like Apollo Creed. However, it

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is the fourth of July weekend. How are things? What's

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going on?

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Speaker 4: It's hot, muggy, yeah, uh, don't really feel like being outside.

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But he got, like you said, one solid fight card

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and we'll talk about correct and uh that's about it.

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And then you know, I was kind of like the

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calm before the storm. TJ. Because coming in the next

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couple of weeks between UH the New York card in

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the Tennis UH Stadium with h Berlanga and Shiraz and

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then of course the week after with a ton of

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stuff well also Katie Taylor and Toronto is the correct

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at the Garden we plus you have Pacio's return, the

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undisputed heavyweight championship fight Dan Rodriguez, et cetera. So UH,

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take a little breather on the fourth of July weekend

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watch one show and we'll reconvene.

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Speaker 3: Did you say Edgar Berlanga I have. You don't have

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to wait till next week. You're gonna hear Edgar Berlango

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with Dan right here on this podcast in just a

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few minutes. Stand by for that for that fight with Shiraz.

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And you mentioned the Paquio week last last I talked

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with you. You are planning to head, speaking of the heat,

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head west to Vegas for the Pacquiao fight week right,

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that is the plan? Yes, okay, so UH is definitely

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scorching out there. I have returned from southern California with

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my family with the twins turning seventeen and being part

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of the Jake pol Pay per view, which again I

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thought was entertaining. Again, maybe I'm a little slanted because

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I was there and in person, and I understand, But

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I mean, you got your money's worth with knockouts early

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on on the pay per view before.

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Speaker 4: That was more important than any of that. As you

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survived the Tower of Terror.

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Speaker 3: I did, and I did show you the photograph. I

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did not put the photograph on social media. I did

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show you the photograph of us surviving, of my twins screaming.

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I'm sort of yelling out as that thing bounces up

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and down, as my father likes to say, get your

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prayer life in order if you're going to get on

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that ride.

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Speaker 4: Exactly nuts.

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Speaker 1: It was nuts.

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Speaker 3: So we did well at Disneyland. I'm back here in

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West central Florida. By the way, it's supposed to rain

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all through this fourth of July Thursday, Friday, Saturday, so

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they're already canceling Rayfield a lot of the firework shows

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in Tampa Bay. We'll just have to watch the other

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shows on video, the one at the at the Nation's Capital,

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or the one on NBC in New York, or YouTube,

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theorized somewhere else.

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Speaker 4: Maybe like me and not give all it could be.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that shit could fly. I'll just use

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your quote, but if you say so, all right. So

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thank you for finding us. Make sure you're following subscribing

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to this podcast feed. We typically preview going into the

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weekend and recap coming off the weekend. Summer is a

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little different, but we do our best to do that. Apple, Spreaker, Spotify, follow, subscribe.

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Also be with us for the bet Us Boxing Show

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first mentioned. That is live even on July fourth. As

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Raypael said to me before I hit the record button,

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the Brits don't care about July fourth. That was a

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losing effort for them as it turned out in the

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Revolutionary War. So the Brits don't care about July fourth weekend.

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They got a July fifth fight card. We'll be previewing

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that on the bet Us Show on their platforms, YouTube,

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social media one Eastern time on the fourth of July.

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Tom Cruise was born on the fourth of July, movie right,

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So that that yeah, that's out there all right. So

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let's get into all of this, including that fight card.

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It is Manchester, England, it is the match Room de

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Zone show. It is Jack Catterall in the main event

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with Harlem U Bank. It is a twelve round welterweight fight.

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Tell me more about the main event. We obviously know

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about Caterall and some of his recent battles, and U

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Bank obviously clarify for me again. This is the nephew, right,

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this is the cousin of Chris Eubank Am.

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Speaker 1: I correct, Harlem, you Bank, this is the view of Chris.

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Speaker 4: He's Chris Senior's nephew. He is Chris Juniors Parson, the

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lesser known of the U Bank fighting family, but an

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undefeated fighter. And as you mentioned, he's in this main event.

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This is really a step up fight. This is this

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is the first time he's in with a well known commodity,

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a world class level fighter, a guy that's fought for

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a world title in the past, who's been in the

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ring with the good opponents. So Harlem is uh He's

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already thirty one years old. He's been moving along. I

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think when he turned pro he was not given a

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lot of thought by most people when they were paying

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attention to the family. They were paying a lot more

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closer attention to Chris Junior. But Harlem has been doing

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his thing. He's been a pro since twenty seventeen, he's

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achieved a record of twenty one and zero with nine knockouts.

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But you have to look at who the twenty one

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fighters that he's faced are, and there's not a lot

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of names on there that you would recognize. So I

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would submit to you that even though he's looked pretty

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good and win fights, a lot of the fights he's

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been on actually have been able to watch live because

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they've streamed on the Triller Plus app in the United

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States and also very easy to find a lot of

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his events on YouTube. But his last fight, which was

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in March, was in my estimation, by far and away

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his most notable opponent. It's, you know, being kind, but

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it was Tyrone McKenna, who's been in the ring with everybody,

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and I thought, Harlem, you bank looked very good in

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that fight. It was considered like a test and he

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didn't just win the fight, he pretty much dominated. You know,

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he's got a tenth round knockout victory. He was knocking

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McKenna down. I think he dropped him three times in

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the fight, and he did a good job in that fight.

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So that was sort of like that would open the

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eyes and say, you know, what Maybe he's not a

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super prospect or a top ten contender, but that's a

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big step. And so now he's going into the fight

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with Caterall. But Caterarell's got his own question mark. So

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he's been around a while. People know he's thirty and two.

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We don't have to relitigate the controversy of his loss

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to Josh Taylor when they fought a few years ago

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for the undisputed title. He did defeat him in the rematch,

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but Josh obviously seen what's happened since then. He's probably,

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you know, I had seen better days. But then he

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defeated Regis Progray that was another fighter that might have

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seen better days. And then in his last fight that

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took place in February, he lost a fight that he

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had no business losing, in my opinion, to Arnold Barbosa,

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you know, who was undefeated, fair enough, but Barbosa had

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gone to Manchester, which is where Jack is from that region,

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and he lost a unanimous decision. That was in an

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interim world title bout. And so it's sort of like

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the ships are meeting at that time. You have Caterall

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coming off of a rough loss, not from fact that

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he got beat up by a fight where most people

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expected him to win in front of the home crowd,

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and maybe he's not what he once was. And you

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have Harlem youw Bank, who has never really been paid

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a lot of attention to by a lot of people,

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but has been sort of making his way coming off

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of his biggest win. And so one guy's kind of

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on the upswing, the other guy's kind of a little

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bit maybe on the downslide. And now they meet and

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we'll see, you know, which one is on the better course.

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I guess getting Harlem score another what would be by

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far his biggest win, and not to say that this

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would be Caterall's biggest win, but it would certainly go

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a long way to uh saying I'm back, you know,

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as a top contender in the one hundred and forty

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seven division now because he's moving up the Barbosofi was

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at one hundred and forty pounds and so Harlem new

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he's going up that way.

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Speaker 3: And we should mention that welter Waite has now become

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a little more wide open. We're going to get into

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this litt war with Brian Norman and Devin Haney in

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a little bit, but Welter Waite is more wide open

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if Innis is moving up and belts are now going

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to be available. So I'm not saying that either one

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of these would be in a world title fight next,

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but that's kind of out there. If you continue to

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win at one forty seven for sureling.

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Speaker 4: Up right, Look, the guy that's going to be the

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guy that emerges as the winner from this fight is

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certainly going to be I have to imagine, you know,

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somewhere in the top certainly in the top ten of

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the various sanctioning bodies. And what that does. That puts

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you in a position where you qualify to fight for a belt.

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bring in fans and bring in money and attract some attention,

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then you have an opportunity possibly to fight for a title.

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As you mentioned, like you said, this is we're not

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in the days where Terrence Crawford has become the undisputed champion,

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or even at the time when you had Terrence Crawford

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with a title and you had Aerol Spencer three of

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the titles. You have the titles that are now splintered.

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I mean, it's kind of a weird thing in boxing.

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Everybody always wants see all there should be you know,

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let's get the unification, let's get the undisputed, and then

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that happens, and everybody gets pissed off because there's only

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one champion. There's not an opportunity to fight for other belts. Well, yeah,

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because one guy's got all of them. So you got

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to kind of make your decision to live with it.

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So right now there is no more undisputed champ because

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of what Crawford did by vacating and moving up, and

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now they are all splintered, even Bootsennis, who unified two

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of the belts between uh, you know, with his victory

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over stanionas he's about to vacate those two titles and

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go to one hundred and fifty four, which will leave

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those available. You got Barrios with the other title, and

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now Brian Norman is holding the WBO title. So we're

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back to we're gonna we're about to be back to

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there being four belts splintered. Uh, and then we start again.

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It's like it's almost like whack a mole, you know,

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as soon as you hit the guy on the head.

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The next one pops up. It's like, so you unify

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all the belts.

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Speaker 1: Were you ever any good at whack them Mole?

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Speaker 4: That begs to a few times in the summer.

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Speaker 1: I asked, were you any good?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was pretty good.

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Speaker 3: You could score some, especially like at Chuck E Cheese

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with your kids? Could you get five tickets off of wack?

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Speaker 4: Not going to Chuck e Cheese? It was in the arcade,

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at the.

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Speaker 3: On the arcade, but at Chuck E Cheese I could

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get I could get me some ten tickets off the

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whack a Mole?

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 4: Do you understand the point though? It's like, yes, you

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hit it down and then they now it's now it's

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splinter again.

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Speaker 3: Look all you're doing, all you're doing is making me

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surly again that Ennis should have stayed and fought Brian

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Norman in a unification and we would have a three

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bet champion. But instead it's gonna splinter, as you said,

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and we're gonna have four different champions.

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Speaker 1: So there we go. There we go for the carrots.

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Speaker 3: So again that is going to be Saturday afternoon for

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Catterall and U Bank will handicap it a little more

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on the bet Us show Friday.

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Speaker 1: As you hear this on.

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Speaker 3: The holiday on the July fourth holiday, we are live

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Speaker 1: Catterwall fights, all distance fights, it seems like.

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Speaker 4: So I'm hopeful that this will not turn out to

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be the typical Jack Catterall fight. And I'm hoping that

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the u bank that I saw in the fight against McKenna,

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who was a little more aggressive, who scored some knockdowns,

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who let his hands go, we'll at least force Jack

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into a bit more of a of a of a

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crowd pleasing fight. I'm not saying that Jack should abandon

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his style and suddenly become a defensive liability and become

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very reckless, but you can do a little bit maybe

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to take a step forward once in a while.

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Speaker 3: All Right, That's the main event. In the co feature,

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Joe Cordina, a former world champion junior lightweight, is fighting.

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I wish I knew who Jarett gonzales kiros is. This

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is why I rely on you.

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Speaker 1: Tell me.

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Speaker 3: Is this opponent even the least bit worthwhile for Cordina,

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who's had some hand injuries as well.

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Speaker 4: What don't we know, not a well known guy. I

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find it interesting that Cordina, who is an Olympian and

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a former world champion, he is seventeen and one and

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his opponent that nobody really ever heard of is also

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seventeen and one. Now it is a it is a

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matroom boxing card. It is mattroom boxing bringing a Mexican

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fighter to fight the home you know, the home guy. Now,

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now Cordina is you know, he's actually not from England,

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he's from Wales. But it's sort of the same thing.

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and we don't have to go through it.

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Speaker 3: But where's been the British favored fighter has not fared

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well in these scenarios.

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Speaker 4: That doesn't mean that Joe Cordina won't do his work,

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because this is not the first Mexican that most people

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would say are completely unknown, who would then, you know,

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come over and make a name for themselves by beating

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the British fighter. But so we'll say, now the one

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thing that's significant two things about Cordina in this fight. Well,

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back to Kiros for a quick second. He hasn't fought

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anybody that anybody ever heard of that's the first thing.

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I mean, I looked at his record, TJ. There's nothing there.

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I mean, it's like, you know, again, he's got the record, fine,

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but there's nobody on that record that you would recognize.

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And most of the fights have been in Mexico. And

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again I say this all the time. It doesn't mean

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he's no good. It just means there's nothing else to

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make the comparison to because there's literally nothing on the record.

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his last opponent was seven seven and one. The fight

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before that with the opponent was four wins, fourteen losses

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in a draw. Before that was eight and one. Before

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that was three wins, thirteen losses and two draws. So

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you know, I'm not going to get hyped on him

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as being the guy that's suddenly going to pull that

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dramatic upset because if you looked at the records of

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other guys that went to the UK, like Mauricio Lara,

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for example, they at least had good records that had

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fought like at least some reputable guys, even if they

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weren't super well known anyway. But as far as Cordina,

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he is moving up to lightweight from this For this fight,

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he had been fighting obviously at one hundred and thirty

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pounds where he was, you know, he held the IBF title.

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But he's also coming off he held the IBF title

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twice as a matter of factcause he got stripped and

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then he won it back. But he's coming off of

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a very harsh loss, go back to May of last year,

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so he's coming off that long lay about fourteen months.

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That was the fight in Saudi Arabia. He was heavily

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favored against Anthony Kasachi and he got his clock fucking

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cleaned and he just losed a fight. He got dominated

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and he got knocked out in the eighth round and

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lost the IBF title. And so he's taken a bit

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of a time off to the wounds, get his head straight.

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He has changed trainers, so there's always that element when

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you're dealing with what happens. You know, I don't know

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if you can necessarily blame your trainer for what occurred

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in the fight. But it's not the first, nor will

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be the last time where a guy loses a significant

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fight and suddenly when he's back in action, he is switching.

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So he had been trained for many years by Tony Simms,

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that was gonna be trained by the former middleweight contender

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long retired in Gary Lockett. And so we'll see how

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that particular union works out. But obviously I don't think

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they were looking to match him super hard after a

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knockout loss and a fourteen month layoff and a change

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of trainer. So this is about scene where Jack, or

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rather where Joe Cordine is, you know, in his career,

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coming off of that rough loss and seeing if he

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can make a run in the lightweight division.

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Speaker 1: All right, good enough.

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Speaker 3: By the way, it was just a couple of weeks

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ago we were touting Gallia Phi against Francisco Rodriguez, same

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kind of scenario, main event, British fighter, and Rodriguez dominated

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him and won the decision.

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Speaker 1: Let's see what happens. They're in that co feature fight again.

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Speaker 3: That is Saturday afternoon from Manchester, England for the match

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Room the Zone show. And that again there's not a

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prominent US fight card this weekend, so that's pretty much

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it in terms of the fight cards. But but when

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we get to next week, it is is Edgar Berlanga

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Hams of shiraz In the July twelfth matchup at Louis

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Armstrong Stadium in New York. Before that fight week, Dan

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Rayfield spoke at length with Edgar Berlanga, man that fought

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who uh Canelo Alvarez for the undisputed super middleweight title

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back a year ago?

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Speaker 4: Undisputed?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 4: Or was it undisputed?

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Speaker 1: It was not? Did they strip him at that point? Whatever?

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He was three belts? He was three belts. I think

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you're right he.

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Speaker 4: Had been stripped of that at that point.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 4: It was for the time he fought, he fought, he

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stripped of the IBF title. Correct.

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Speaker 3: He fought Canelo last fall. So it's a big moment

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here for Berlanga. Hear him in his own words right

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now with Big Dan.

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Speaker 4: Well, it is my great pleasure to welcome back to

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our podcast this week. It is the super middleweight contender

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and former world title challenger, Edgar Berlanga. Edgar, you have

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a pretty big fight coming up. I'll tell everybody what

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you've got going on. You're fighting the britt Hamsa Shiraz

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July twelfth. It's on his own pay per view. It

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headlines the Ring Magazine card at the Louis Armstrong Stadium

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in New York, your hometown, a card that Turkey al

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Chica is putting on, and I'm looking forward to seeing

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you back in action and seeing this matchup. How have

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you been. I know before we clicked on the video,

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you said you just finished up training getting ready for

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the fight. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I just finished up training, doing my first workout of

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a day. I feel good. You know, I'm all here

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and Boulder just tapeer and down camp now, you know it.

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It was a long camp, hard camp. You know, been

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working hard. Man. I'm excited. You know what I'm saying.

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Gilotof is gonna be a big knife for me.

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Speaker 4: Yes, sir, It's gonna be a big night I think

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for boxing. Ten months ago, you had the biggest opportunity

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of your career. You got an opportunity to challenge the

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unified champ, the superstar Canelo Alvarez. Big fight in Las Vegas.

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You know, he knocked you down in the third round.

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He won a pretty wide decision. But you know, as

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we've discussed before, but it was a good fight for

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the fans, and you did a heck of a lot

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better than a lot of people thought you were going

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to do in that fight. A lot of guys and

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gals didn't think you're getting out of the first couple

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of rounds, but you gave him a solid go for

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all twelve. And I wonder what did you take from

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that experience? From the fight? What did you learn about

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yourself and frankly your position within one hundred and sixty

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eight pound weight class.

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Speaker 5: You know, it was a great experience just learning, you

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know what I'm saying. I felt like, you know, you

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know that when when Canelo fort Floyd, you know, he

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learned a lot. You know, I feel like it was

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the same thing. I learned so much from that fight.

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I'm just being in there, you know, with a god

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at that love. You know what I'm saying. You know,

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I gained a lot of experience, a lot of IQ

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and now you know what I'm saying now, I just

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feel like nobody could stop me. Now, you know, I

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know that nobody could fuck with me. I think right now,

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you know I'm at man, So Chris stopped calling me.

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Speaker 4: Little technical difficultly, I'm here from here.

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Speaker 6: Continue as you were saying, you know, just you know,

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being in the ring with him, you know, it was

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a great experience. You know what I'm saying, I'm just

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getting all I I feel how it feels to fight

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in front of twenty thousand people and then twenty thousand

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Mexicans at that, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: There there was a few perto Ricans. There are also

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for you.

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Speaker 5: You know that every one Puerto Rican was probably like

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a hundred Mexicans in that you know, so being in

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his being in another guy's basically home turf. You know,

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I took everything. Well, you know what I'm saying. I

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was built for this man, like I'm a superstar, you know.

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Speaker 4: And well you didn't let the loss break you, right, you?

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I think, did you tell me if I'm wrong about this?

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Like you got the lost. Fine, guys lose fights like

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Canelo you mentioned lost to Floyd, but I feel like

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you gained, Like you're like, yeah, I can really compete.

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I can be in this thing. I I'm I'm gonna

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be more confident the next time. I know, I'm I

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can be involved in these big events.

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Speaker 5: Yeah for sure. Listen, man, you know I just needed

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the experience, you know what I'm saying. You know, now

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now that I got it, that's all I needed. You know,

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I'm ready to go. You know what I'm saying. I'm

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ready to take over the one six state division. You

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know I know that, man. You know I got discout everything.

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You know that lacked that fight was experienced, you know

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what I'm saying. And obviously he thought how many how

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many grace you for? You know what I'm saying. So

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you know, I just stopped from from from from a

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low level to the lead level super fast, you know,

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and then I handled it up pretty well. You know

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what I'm saying. I think that you know now is

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off to the races. You know what I'm saying. Jul

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twelve is gonna be another day, you know, another day

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in the office, you know, you know, to to the

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story his dude, Sharras Man, you know I'm gonna, I know,

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after this fight. You know what I'm saying, I'm gonna be.

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I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be with Turkey after this fight.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: So So let's see, you know what I'm saying. Let's see.

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Speaker 4: So your last fight, you know, you came back after

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the Canelo fight, and you came back this past March

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and you scored a very easy first round knockout against

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Jonathan Gonzalez O Kenda, who really had nothing for you.

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He was had a great record, but he hadn't fought

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for a while, or he's been uh not had big

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wins or anything like that. You dusted him like a

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lot of folks expected. First of all, you had that big,

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long streak of first round knockouts the start your curt.

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Did it feel good to get back to getting a

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first round ko Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Oh good, I got seventeen first rounds.

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Speaker 4: Well what is the fight like that for?

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Speaker 5: People don't want to embrace that. The onely guy at

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the middleweight I'm the only guy right now current and

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boxing that has seventeen first round nagos. You know what

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I'm saying. I got eighteen gos, seventeen of them on

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the first round. You know, so, people did not.

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Speaker 4: Do anything for you that fight. They're coming back in

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such an easy kind of win. What did that do

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for you?

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Speaker 5: It wasn't easy none to lose. Everybody'll be doing that. Yeah,

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well I bet you. I'll put my life, I'll put

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my life, put my bank on. Nobody was stopping that

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man in the first round like that. Nobody, I'll promise you, nobody, nobody, nobody, nobody.

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Speaker 4: That was your last fight with with Eddie Herd and Mattroom.

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And there was a lot of discussion beforehand about the

472
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:52,720
way that that all came out. You wound up on

473
00:20:52,759 --> 00:20:56,079
an undercard because of your contract situation, you didn't do

474
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,759
an extension, et cetera. We'd all disappointed kind of with

475
00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:00,759
the way at that end. You know, you go from

476
00:21:00,799 --> 00:21:04,319
the huge spotlight of a main event against Can. We

477
00:21:04,319 --> 00:21:05,000
was already set.

478
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,400
Speaker 5: We already was set to fight. Was in March eighth

479
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,079
and Trolie sail in Puerto Rico, sixteen thousand people, you know,

480
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,119
and I was supposed to be main event, and I

481
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,799
had a lot of fighters in Puerto Rico, young fighters.

482
00:21:16,839 --> 00:21:18,480
I was going to be on that car getting ready,

483
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,480
you know. So they was upset, you know, because that

484
00:21:21,559 --> 00:21:22,960
was going to be a big turnoff for me, you

485
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,519
know what I'm saying. Being in Puerto Rico, you know,

486
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,559
headlining and pr was was going to be something. You know,

487
00:21:28,759 --> 00:21:29,880
it was going to be a dream for me, what

488
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,920
I'm saying, Especially to do it at the Troy Sale.

489
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,319
You know, that's the biggest that's like the Masters Square Garden,

490
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,079
but in Puerto Rico. You know, so when they shifted

491
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,880
me over to to the courrier or y'all call me

492
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,920
an event. I was like, I was like, give me

493
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,920
that ship, then you want to play that give me

494
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,000
a I take it. I took it for a reason

495
00:21:48,039 --> 00:21:49,519
and I took way less money.

496
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 4: But yeah, but you became.

497
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,319
Speaker 5: I didn't. I didn't let them enjoy nothing. I gave

498
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,079
it to that man in one round, you know what

499
00:21:59,079 --> 00:22:00,839
I'm saying. So it's like, yeah, want to cheat me

500
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,240
like that and I'm not gonna think out in the

501
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,240
first round and ye're not getting no show.

502
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 4: And then you became a free agent, a.

503
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,559
Speaker 5: Free agent, and now you know I'm not still I'm

504
00:22:10,559 --> 00:22:12,720
still not signing nobody. You know, right now, I'm still

505
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,200
a free I'm basically still a free agent. I'll just

506
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,440
find it. I'll just on the one deal with at twelve.

507
00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:21,720
So you know, after what I'm saying, after this fight,

508
00:22:21,759 --> 00:22:24,359
we're gonna see who really who really gonna drop the bag?

509
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,480
And you know who won't really make it happen. You know,

510
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,920
I want to I want to fight one more time

511
00:22:28,279 --> 00:22:28,720
this year.

512
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 4: You know, So, were you at all surprised that they

513
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,960
gave you Sharaz as the opponent? And I say that

514
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,000
nothing against Sharaz, but he had fought in middleweight title

515
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,359
fight his previous fighting announced his intentions to move up

516
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,720
after the draw that he had against cler What's that?

517
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 5: I said? He was on my list?

518
00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say so that that sort of

519
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,200
to me, it sort of it kind of came out

520
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,200
of nowhere though, Like there wasn't like the boxing fans

521
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,519
and media talking about Berlanga Charaz. Both fighters were known

522
00:22:56,559 --> 00:22:59,000
to boxing fans and media, but it was sort of

523
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,160
seemed like an unusual How did that come about? In

524
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,000
your mind?

525
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 5: They just they just you know, Pieve, my dad, you know,

526
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,039
Louis just came and it was just like we got

527
00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:13,799
to offer for you, you know, find July twelve. I said,

528
00:23:13,799 --> 00:23:17,319
we're in New York. They're like, yeah, listen, because I

529
00:23:17,319 --> 00:23:19,519
know Turkey like to do all these big fights in

530
00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:21,920
one card. I said, let me tell you something. The

531
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,920
only way I'm taking the fights of my main event,

532
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,799
I'm not being no care main event for anybody in

533
00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:30,079
New York. Right, Well, fuck who it is? You know

534
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,440
what I'm saying. I said, if I'm not main event

535
00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:36,759
in my city, scratch me off that card. And there

536
00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:38,519
was like, now we're promising you that we're gonna put

537
00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:40,079
your main event. I was like, all right, send them on,

538
00:23:40,279 --> 00:23:44,440
let's do it. And I really want to, I really

539
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,759
want to like Mogia or something, or like Caleb or

540
00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:50,119
one of those guys. But you know, Caleb just lost,

541
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,880
fucked up the bag. Monea tested positive, fucked up the bag,

542
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,480
you know. So you know it's starting to like, you know,

543
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,359
my list is starting to like drop little.

544
00:24:01,839 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 4: So when when Sharaz fought Adamas Uh, it turned out

545
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,960
to be a draw, as I mentioned, but a lot

546
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,519
of people thought that it was a kind of a

547
00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:13,720
poor performance from Hamza and also that should have won

548
00:24:13,759 --> 00:24:15,519
the fight. I wonder what your impressions were.

549
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 5: Of that, oh step fight. He got gifted because he's

550
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,480
in Saudi and he got he had you know, uncle,

551
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,279
his poppy Turkey with him. You know that Turkey's trying

552
00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:27,640
to push him to beat his big, big, big thing,

553
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,000
you know what I'm saying, because that's his baby. So

554
00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:33,240
you know, they they scoreded a draw, but he got

555
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,279
his ass w bro. So now, don't blame the trainer,

556
00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:39,240
you know what I'm saying. You know, you can't blame

557
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,400
the trainer. You know, it was just when competition, stepped

558
00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:44,960
stepped up, he folded, He got beat up in his

559
00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:45,720
in his home town.

560
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 4: He is moving up in wait to fight you. Uh,

561
00:24:50,039 --> 00:24:52,000
and so I wonder how you think that that will

562
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,400
make any difference. I asked that specifically, because even him

563
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,960
coming up to a next weight class, he's still a

564
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,759
couple of inches taller than you, be six foot three,

565
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,960
a little bit a little bigger than you, still got

566
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,759
a little bit of a reach advantage on you. Do

567
00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:05,720
you think that that plays any part that he'll have

568
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,880
at least some physical advantages from that standpoint against you.

569
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 5: He ain't gonna have nothing anything he try to do.

570
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,680
I'm breaking him down. I'm culting him. He's like he's

571
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,759
a he's a he's a tree. Cut him down or

572
00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:20,559
cut him down. You know what I'm saying. He don't

573
00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:22,960
got more IQ than me. He don't got more foot

574
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,799
movement at me. He don't got more head movement in me.

575
00:25:24,839 --> 00:25:26,880
He don't got the same man. His man and power

576
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,640
don't don't don't add up either. You know what I'm saying.

577
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,599
My power is out of this world, and I'm gonna

578
00:25:31,599 --> 00:25:32,839
beat him mentally. You know what I'm saying with this,

579
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,079
with the mind. You know what I'm saying this, I

580
00:25:35,079 --> 00:25:37,440
don't care what he what he got going on. You know,

581
00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:40,599
I'm unpredictable. That's the problem with me everything. You guys

582
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:42,200
people a way.

583
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,599
Speaker 4: You guys have been going back and forth hard with

584
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,839
each other on you know, the press conference, social media

585
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,039
that kind of thing. Uh is that is that sort

586
00:25:50,079 --> 00:25:52,200
of like are you like? What is that? What annoys

587
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,319
you about him?

588
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 5: And I know it's personal. You know you've seen what

589
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,599
Turkey put out. You know, if Sharaz gets knocked out,

590
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,400
it's gonna be a disaster, you know for my plans

591
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,200
that I have for him. So it's personal. I'm taking

592
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:05,400
I'm taking.

593
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 4: The very personal like you know, for him to win

594
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:08,000
the fight.

595
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 5: Of course, obviously that that post was set everything. You

596
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,359
know what I'm saying, But I already knew that what

597
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,039
I'm saying, But I'm not I'm not afraid of smoke.

598
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,240
You know, I know who I walk with. You know,

599
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,319
I woke he was christ and let me talk. Yeah,

600
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,640
that fight, it's gonna be something spectacular.

601
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 6: Man.

602
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,799
Speaker 5: They just he just built it up even more to

603
00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:30,720
where once I destroyed this dude, I'm gonna become the

604
00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:32,759
one of the biggest stars in the sport of boxing.

605
00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 4: Do you at least give him some credit for coming

606
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:37,799
to fight you in your hometown.

607
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,839
Speaker 5: He was forced, we think, I don't know, he was

608
00:26:40,839 --> 00:26:43,599
forced to take the fight on him. You know why

609
00:26:43,599 --> 00:26:46,640
he was forced because Turkey said, Hey, you gotta fight

610
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,559
this guy, but beat him. I'm gonna give you Canello.

611
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,839
So come on. You know it's gonna be New York,

612
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,759
you know. And you know what I'm saying, he didn't

613
00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:56,160
want to take that note. A man, a man that

614
00:26:56,279 --> 00:26:59,000
loses his last fight, ain't gonna jump into a harder fight.

615
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,200
You know what I'm saying. They ain't gonna want to

616
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,880
do a rematch with the guy that they got. They asked,

617
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,039
will buy just a foots to the people right me?

618
00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:07,759
You know, I'm legit. You know it was it was

619
00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:11,319
a close fight, you know, I wipe this dude off

620
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,799
the floor and then you get a hard fight after that.

621
00:27:13,839 --> 00:27:16,359
But he ain't want that smokes. So now he's jumping

622
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,799
to me because Turkey's is offering him Cando, you know.

623
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,480
And everything I said is the truth, you know what

624
00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:24,359
I'm saying, Like you've seen that post what Turkey said, Yeah, yeah,

625
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:29,480
so you know I'm just you know, I'm locked in, man, whatever, So.

626
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 4: I gotta I gotta wrap up with one more question

627
00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:33,759
that this is sort of like when I when I

628
00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:35,920
saw the stuff that was going on, I was like, boy,

629
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,079
maybe maybe Edgar Burlang is gonna have to have two

630
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,279
fights next week because I seen all the stuff. Yeah,

631
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:43,000
and I've seen all the back and forth that you've

632
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:45,680
had with de la Hoya, who is Golden Boy is

633
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,839
one of the promoters of this event. What in the

634
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:49,759
world is the deal with you? He's threatening you to

635
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,119
slap your you're threatening to slap him or he's gonna

636
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,680
slap you, and he's making videos about you like you're

637
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,440
living in his head. You've been posting stuff and you're

638
00:27:57,519 --> 00:28:00,519
social about him. At one point he tried to sign you.

639
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:02,519
You guys talk nothing but good things about one another.

640
00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:03,839
What's up with you? Guys?

641
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,079
Speaker 5: Wanted it was him? He was throwing the shots. You know,

642
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,839
he he's throwing shots, you know, because we didn't want

643
00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:13,599
to sound his his white guys. You know, he robs fighters, man,

644
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,759
so you know, fuck fuck Oscar Joy And like I

645
00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:19,279
said in New York, he better have security because I

646
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:21,119
heard that he's he's packing up with a lot of security.

647
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,599
He better have a lot of security. Care he goes

648
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,799
next to me, I'm smacking the shit out of him.

649
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 4: You know, you don't want to mess up your bag.

650
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,599
Maybe all right, we will leave it there, Edgar, thank

651
00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:35,359
you very much for your time. Oscar.

652
00:28:35,559 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 5: Fuck Oscar.

653
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,599
Speaker 4: I'll be agnostic. I like both of you guys, so

654
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:42,839
I wish you good luck in the fight and uh

655
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,279
and I'll be watching man all right, thank you very much.

656
00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:51,079
Speaker 3: All right, So there we go, both guys with something

657
00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:54,119
to prove coming up. Because Sharaz, I keep maintaining this

658
00:28:54,319 --> 00:29:01,640
had the draw in a fight that I believe he lost.

659
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 4: Back the WBC Carlos A Damas.

660
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:07,319
Speaker 3: Middleweight challenge with a Damas on what was that the

661
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:13,119
undercard of the Bevil and Better BV main event back

662
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,640
earlier this year. So, but Sharaz has been having trouble

663
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,319
making the weight. But there's something to prove for both

664
00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:20,559
of these guys now at super middleweight here with Berlanga

665
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:22,519
and the headlining main event. Any final thought as we

666
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:24,960
head to that fight week next week, just.

667
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 4: That you know it's a it should be an interesting matchup.

668
00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:29,920
It's it's Sharaz moving up in weight, but he's actually

669
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,079
the as I discussed with Edgar in the interview, he

670
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,519
is the larger person in general in terms of his

671
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:37,680
reach and his height, even though Edgar has been a

672
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,799
super middleweight for you know, his career. But Sharaz is

673
00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:42,839
moving up and look there's a lot on the line.

674
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:45,079
As you said, Berlanga can win and look good. You know,

675
00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:46,720
he's gonna put himself right back in the mix for

676
00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:49,680
another big, big fight. And if Sharaz wins, as has

677
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,480
been discussed and mentioned, he puts himself in a position

678
00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:55,960
to challenge Canelo Alvarez sometime in twenty twenty six, assuming

679
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,960
that Canelo takes care of the business with Terrence Crawford.

680
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:02,160
So that'll be an interesting matchup and it's a good card.

681
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,279
Speaker 1: All right, Good on that.

682
00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:08,039
Speaker 3: You know, you and I have had an evolving rundown

683
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,200
of news with two or three different things that we

684
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,079
wanted to talk about.

685
00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: We've added something.

686
00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:15,759
Speaker 3: So as we are doing this podcast and we're getting

687
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:17,359
it out a little early to the public because of

688
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,559
the holiday, you and I have both become aware.

689
00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:23,799
Speaker 1: Of a fascinating story. I can't even say it with

690
00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:24,599
a straight voice.

691
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 3: That just last Saturday Night Julio Saysar Chavez Junior was

692
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,640
fighting Jake Paul in the main event of a pay

693
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,440
per view card in Anaheim, California. Rayfield, you know, I

694
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,400
know that I was there. I was in the building

695
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,119
in the Honda Center in Anahei. Well, guess what Thursday

696
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:48,400
has brought us. According to multiple reports and confirmation from

697
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,759
the Department of Homeland Security, Julio saysar Chavez Junior has

698
00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:58,000
been arrested by US immigration officers and is being processed

699
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,160
to be extradided back to his home country of Mexico.

700
00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:05,920
This is because there's an active investigation and an active

701
00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:10,400
arrest warrant in Mexico for Chavez as alleged involvement in

702
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:16,640
a criminal enterprise, a crime ring that includes trafficking of firearms,

703
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,400
ammunition and explosives.

704
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: There is an arrest warrant for him in.

705
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,559
Speaker 3: Mexico, so he was gathered up, shall we say, by

706
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,839
the Department of Homeland Security, which has confirmed this in

707
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,839
a statement. Chavez was in the United States at the

708
00:31:32,839 --> 00:31:35,279
time of the arrest after having fought last Saturday night,

709
00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:39,519
which we know. He was arrested in Studio City, California,

710
00:31:39,559 --> 00:31:45,319
Wednesday evening. According to the Department of Homeland Security, Rayphiel.

711
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,079
Sometimes the material practice stranger than fiction.

712
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: Here.

713
00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 4: I'm no big fan of the immigration policies, let's say

714
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,079
of the United States of America right now, but if

715
00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:02,160
you have an active investigation against you in your home country,

716
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,039
that would make you at least a suspected criminal, and

717
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:07,200
that's the type of person that probably should be removed

718
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,319
from the country. Now. Job has does spend a lot

719
00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:11,480
of time, to my knowledge, in Los Angeles. All I

720
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:16,079
can say to the to the immigration officials is I

721
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,000
wish you would have done your fucking job back before

722
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,960
the Jake cull fight gave us all the time of

723
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,519
that nonsense. I'll leave it at that.

724
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: Could you imagine?

725
00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 3: Could you imagine if we were getting ready for that

726
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,599
fight night and in the arena and the main event

727
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,880
ain't happening because Ice has taken Julio s a Star

728
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,839
shop is Junior into custody.

729
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,279
Speaker 4: I've never seen that, but I've seen I've heard of

730
00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:41,400
fighters being taken into custody when they get out of

731
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:41,680
the ring.

732
00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, so that did happen.

733
00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 3: While we totally digress, that did happen for a Tampa

734
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,440
Bay fighter not from Tampa.

735
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:53,799
Speaker 1: But a guy that had been fighting on cards.

736
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,759
Speaker 3: Who's your guy from top rank that was the matchmaker

737
00:32:56,759 --> 00:32:58,799
for all the Philo Lessi shows back in the eighties.

738
00:32:58,839 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: He can better fill this.

739
00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 4: In well, Jacobs, the matchmakers. Brad Jacobs is a chief.

740
00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 3: Brad Jacobs will be able to pick up on this

741
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,880
whole story. So there was a fighter fighting under the

742
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,880
alias Roberto Medina. I remember this, and he was fighting

743
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,440
in the eighties and I went to a couple of

744
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,640
the fights as a teenage TJ and Medina was moving

745
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,039
up in whatever weight class and he actually got a

746
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:23,359
national television fight on ABC's Wide World of Sports on

747
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,039
like an undercard, one of two fights. And I believe

748
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,079
Dan it is before the fight happened, he got taken

749
00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:34,839
into custody for being a wanted criminal and using the

750
00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:39,000
alias Roberto Medina. It wasn't his real name, and the

751
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:42,759
fight never happened, and so they were having to explain

752
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:44,799
on whid World of Sports for some reason. I want

753
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:47,359
to say, Dan Dierdorf was doing the play by play

754
00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:50,279
the former football player of the former Monday night football broadcaster,

755
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:53,759
and he's on ABC having to explain there's not going

756
00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:56,720
to be a co feature with Roberto Medina, And we

757
00:33:56,759 --> 00:34:00,200
don't even know what Roberto Medina's real name is because

758
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,039
he's been taken into a in the custody. So when

759
00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:05,440
you said that, you prompted me to think of that.

760
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,680
That that really happened in the nineteen eighties before a

761
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,199
network televised. It wasn't the main event because we were all.

762
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 4: But they shouldn't in Tampa make his money.

763
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they let him do that, and now they've.

764
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,599
Speaker 4: Taken I don't know if they let him do that,

765
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:21,159
they might not have known or not realized.

766
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: How do they not know where he is? My friend?

767
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,079
They were promoting it everywhere.

768
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:31,679
Speaker 4: Nothing but trouble for years and years and years.

769
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:34,519
Speaker 3: Man oh man, all right, so there's the there's the

770
00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:37,440
breaking news while you and I do the pod. Hey,

771
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,159
guess what else? On Thursday, Tyson Fury says he's not retired.

772
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 4: Dan, Oh my god, are you serious?

773
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: Fill in the blanks? What's going on?

774
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 4: Do we believe anybody that really believed that Tyson Fear

775
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,280
is retired is an absolute fucking idiot. I'll say that

776
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:57,000
flat out. Uh. Normally, when fighters announced retirements, I generally

777
00:34:57,039 --> 00:34:58,960
take them at their work because you know, they're going

778
00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:01,679
to think about it. But I truly don't believe that

779
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,000
Tyson Fiverry thought he was going to never fight again.

780
00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:06,719
That it was a you know, maybe take a little break.

781
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,000
And at some point he knew there's big fights out

782
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:10,440
there for him. He knew there's a lot of money

783
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,440
that he can still make. Tyson Ferry has always been

784
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,039
about the money. Uh, and now he's won all the titles,

785
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:17,239
so now it's only about the money. But the thing

786
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,840
that was weird to me, so there was some uh turkey.

787
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,760
Alchik posted to his social media on Thursday that he

788
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,599
was going to come out of retirement and that the

789
00:35:26,639 --> 00:35:29,119
reason wasn't for an Anthony Joshua fight. It wasn't for

790
00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:32,119
some other fight. It wasn't for Danieu Duwad. Let's say

791
00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:34,519
of Dubai. This happens to be the winner of the

792
00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:36,960
fight that will take place in ah in a you

793
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,679
know later in July against Usik for the undisputed title. No,

794
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,599
he said he's going to fight in read uh in

795
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,440
uh next you know in uh in April? No was

796
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,280
it uhmbley statem in April, but that they're quote unquote

797
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,639
hunting rabbits that's Usik and Tysoon Fury. They're looking to

798
00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:59,000
make that rematch or the third fight, and I'm thinking

799
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,159
to myself, well, what happened that Daniel Dewad defeats Stick

800
00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:04,000
in their fight, which is a rematch, which is certainly

801
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,719
a possibility, would they still do that fight? So I'm

802
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,840
not really sure what that all means. And I got

803
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,119
to be honest, I mean, yeah, they fought too good fights,

804
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:14,480
but enough is enough. How in the world could you

805
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,679
possibly go and try to make Tyson Fury against Usak

806
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,960
in a third fight when the fight that most people

807
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,599
want to see is, you know, get Joshua back with

808
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:24,280
a win this fight.

809
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 3: I was just gonna go there. I was just sort

810
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,800
that was the logical place. Why would they not have

811
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,679
that fight first? When we're talking about this proposals all

812
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:31,800
the way to next April.

813
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 4: I have no idea aside from the.

814
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 3: Fact that Fury would be concerned that he might lose

815
00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:38,800
and it could it could cost him the other fight because.

816
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 4: Gonna fight.

817
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 3: If Joshua was ready to go in like August or September,

818
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,400
why would you not have that fight and make all

819
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:47,599
that mega money and then he.

820
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:50,199
Speaker 4: Certainly won't be ready in August. It's more likely going

821
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:51,480
to be later in the fall. But the point is,

822
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,960
if he's not fighting until April, you let him fight

823
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,360
the fight whatever it is in this fall, and he

824
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:02,199
can be ready by April. Look, the reality is he's

825
00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:04,800
gonna fight again. It's not a surprise. He's gonna make

826
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,159
a lot of money if it happens to be Usik.

827
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:08,719
I mean whatever I mean.

828
00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 3: Does this indicate that Usik just doesn't have anybody else

829
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,119
to fight after the Dubua fight, that he would be

830
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:15,199
interested in fighting a guy that he's already beaten twice.

831
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's funny.

832
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 4: But here's the point about it. If you're only about

833
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,079
the money, then you fight theory.

834
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:20,679
Speaker 1: That's right.

835
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 4: But to me as a champion, and Husak has always

836
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,840
shown this, and before he was heavyweight champion, he ran

837
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,360
through a lot of the top guys. But you can't

838
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,039
tell me that there's not other reputable opponents that he

839
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:35,920
could give an opportunity to, Right, There's there's plenty of

840
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,320
guys out there. There's Joseph Parker, There's Fabio Wordley who's

841
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,920
making a name for himself. There is uh Ajkabiel, your

842
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:43,639
boy I.

843
00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:46,519
Speaker 1: Mean there's a fa a Jagua, right, Well.

844
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,639
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not gonna put him on the top

845
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:49,000
of the list, but I'm talking guys who are more

846
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:53,440
more more.

847
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: On the top of their list, right a Jagma.

848
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying, like there's other guys

849
00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:58,599
that would but he a jaga I'm not going to

850
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:01,400
even go there. But the other guys, I'm saying, Cabo

851
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,519
has been impressive and explosive. Same thing with Fabia Wordley,

852
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,719
Joseph Parker's earned it, so to me, yep, you know, yeah, yeah,

853
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,760
they can do the match and it's nothing terrible about it.

854
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,199
But it's like, I mean, I'm glad they made the

855
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,239
first two fights, I guess, but it gets to be

856
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,559
to the point where it gets to be kind of

857
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:19,960
overkilled where they're just going against the same game and

858
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:21,719
these other guys aren't gtting their opportunity.

859
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 3: Right if they had split, there would be a reason

860
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,880
for a third fight. Usik won the first two fights,

861
00:38:26,119 --> 00:38:28,880
Fury hasn't beaten anybody else in the interim to have

862
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:32,199
a third fight, so there wasn't like, I mean, here's

863
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:33,360
the other thing we got the.

864
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 4: Controversy there wasn't like a big controversy after the rematch.

865
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:40,079
Speaker 3: There's there's such a long runway here too to get

866
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:42,079
to next April. Why do I get the feeling it

867
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:44,760
could be somebody else for Tyson Fury, We'll sing.

868
00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 4: The The main thing is he's supposed he's coming out

869
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,159
of retirement, which again.

870
00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: No shot at all, no shock all right.

871
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,119
Speaker 3: So, speaking of Turkey Ali Chic and news that he's making,

872
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:58,679
it is confirmed that Brian Norman will defend the WBO

873
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,199
welterway with Devin Haney, a fight that I think we

874
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,440
are both and a lot of fight fans interested in.

875
00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:06,880
So tell me more on the details of that and

876
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,840
also how it right might relate to David Benavetez being

877
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:10,760
back in the ring too.

878
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: Go ahead.

879
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 4: Well, the Haine and Norman fight was being discussed, and

880
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,440
it was really one of these kinds of fights where

881
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,400
you wish you saw it more often in boxing, where

882
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:21,880
we're so used to guys dancing around with each other

883
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,320
for weeks and weeks and endless negotiations, and they fall

884
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,559
apart and they go their separate ways and maybe they

885
00:39:26,559 --> 00:39:29,119
come back together, maybe the fight never happens. This was

886
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:30,840
a fight that I don't think anybody was even thinking

887
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,000
about Now, it's not a bad matchup, but it wasn't

888
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:34,960
like I never heard one person ever say I need

889
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,000
to see Brian Norman against Devin Haney. But you know,

890
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:40,400
fights make fights, is the old saying. And Devin Haney

891
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,719
is looking for a fight because he got stood up

892
00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:47,199
by Tiafimo Lopez, so that you know, he decided not

893
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,239
to do that fight. Before that, it was Ryan Garcia

894
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,199
losing and also being injured, so we got rid of

895
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,639
their potential for the ringmatch. So Hane's been looking for

896
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,199
a good matchup and a good fight. Meanwhile, you got

897
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,760
Brian Norman has been looking at outstanding, he looks spectacular

898
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,719
and recent fight in Japan, and so this fight really

899
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,199
was started to be discussed literally a few days after

900
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:09,559
the Brian Norman fight took place in Japan. And Norman

901
00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:11,480
is not looking to avoid guys. Just look at the

902
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,119
guys he's faced in terms of when he won the title,

903
00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:17,679
going to the hometown of Santion, going to Japan to

904
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,760
fight Sasaki in the hometown. He had the one sort

905
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,880
of layup against Quavis, but he wants a big fight

906
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,039
and Devin Haney his record speaks for itself. He's been

907
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:28,599
willing to fight the top guys. He did fight Garcia,

908
00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:31,519
he did go twice to Australia in the Cambosas fights.

909
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:34,920
He's fought Lomachenko, He's fought pro Gray. I mean, he's

910
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,519
fought a lot of top guys. So he's gonna now

911
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:40,480
stay at one forty. You know, he fought the fight

912
00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:43,280
in his last fight, that terrible matchup against zier Mirs

913
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,119
where they were contracted at one for four. This fight

914
00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:47,960
will be at the full one forty seven, I am told,

915
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,880
and they're doing this matchup. And Brian Norman, who had

916
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,320
won the Javat Japanese fight in top rank was had

917
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,440
said to me what their plan was to do when

918
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,760
I also had spoken to his manager. The plan was,

919
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,360
let's go forward and try to figure out a game

920
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,320
plan and do a fight for Brian in the fall

921
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,039
in the Atlanta area, which is where he is from. Obviously,

922
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,480
when the money becomes what it is, and the offer

923
00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:09,320
to fight a bigger name like any you know, it's

924
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:10,639
the kind of thing where it's like an offer you

925
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:12,559
can't refuse. So they're getting on the plane and going

926
00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:14,679
to read to do the fight and so that'll be fight.

927
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,119
They didn't say a date, but it'll be in a

928
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:18,960
Read in November. And you said, how does that relate

929
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,760
to David Denavitez. I think it does because it was

930
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,280
on Thursday morning that Turkey Alschik made it public that

931
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,280
he had done a one fart. He didn't say this,

932
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,239
but Ben Aavid's people have told me this. He has

933
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,840
a one fight deal with David to fight against Anthony

934
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,280
Yard in Read and again in November. No specific dates.

935
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,519
So David, as you know, has been elevated to the

936
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:43,559
full title holder in the WBC. He'll defend the title

937
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:46,239
against Anthony Yard, who's a good puncher from the UK,

938
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,880
who has been in the ring with some quality opponents.

939
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,719
Gave Arthur better be of a solid fight. And so

940
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,920
the problem for Benavide's in terms of the fights in America,

941
00:41:56,199 --> 00:41:58,199
you know he's been headlining on paper, user been on

942
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,320
he shared the tank Davis cart Is. They were having

943
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,119
trouble finding a good opponent that was willing to come

944
00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:06,800
here for the money. They went down a lot of

945
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,719
whole different routes and they were just coming up dry.

946
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,719
And so when this came to their attention, the PBC

947
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,800
and Turkey. We're gonna make the deal. Sampson Lukawitz, who

948
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,360
is the promoter Fordnavies, he signed off on and so

949
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:22,760
that's what's happening. That's unfortunate because David when he had

950
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,119
his last fight, made a very big deal about not

951
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,519
to in soult Turkey, but was like, I want to

952
00:42:28,559 --> 00:42:31,039
fight in the United States in Las Vegas in front

953
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:33,719
of my crowd, which is obviously an American in a

954
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,719
Mexican American crowd. Obviously that's not gonna happen. So he's

955
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,239
gonna have this fight in Saudi Arabia and just becomes

956
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,519
the latest American to go fight in Saudi Arabia.

957
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: Does it indicate maybe to you?

958
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 3: And I'm just speculating here because the fight is for

959
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,719
him to fight Bevil. If Bevil wins, I was advocating

960
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,679
that Bevil should defend the four titles against Benavitez, and

961
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,199
instead he elected to vacate the WBC belt and have

962
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,079
the third fight with Better BV.

963
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: We can connect some dots here.

964
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,679
Speaker 3: The Turkey Ali Chiek's been bankrolling the first two fights

965
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,519
with Bevol and Better BV. Might he bankroll let's say

966
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:11,639
a Las Vegas fight at some point with Ben Avetez

967
00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:14,159
and Bevol if it comes to it, we'll see, I mean, maybe.

968
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 4: Ve Las Vegas or yet. I mean, but the point is, obviously,

969
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,960
if you're a light heavyweight and you have a title

970
00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:23,639
and then Bevol is there as the lineal champ and

971
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,159
has other belts, that would make sense. Obviously that's an

972
00:43:26,159 --> 00:43:29,920
interesting matchup. Uh Beeble is interesting situation now at the

973
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,400
moment because the IBF, which has been very leaning in

974
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,280
terms of the Michael Eiffert mandatory, has reordered that here.

975
00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:38,199
But he may step aside. They make it, they might

976
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,480
make a deal, he may vacate whatever. I mean, nobody

977
00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:43,480
in the world nothing against Eiffort. You know he got

978
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,639
the win by knocking out or by beating Pascal. He

979
00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:49,000
didn't uh you know that was a while ago. You know,

980
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:51,239
I'm I'm done with the belts at this point with

981
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,239
some of the ship because it's like whatever, I know.

982
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,320
I know this. If you're a boxing fan and you

983
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,360
follow the sport, even to a small degree, you know

984
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,639
the number one heavy waiting in boxing at the moment

985
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,880
is Dmeetri people, and whether he has one belt, two belts,

986
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,800
three belts, four belts or has no belt. He's the

987
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,280
number one guy. You want to see him fight the

988
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,760
next best guys. I'm all for making unification fights, but

989
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,599
when the sanction bodies are counterproductive, you know you can

990
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:17,400
just say thank you, but no, thank you, you're wasting.

991
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,199
I'm not going to get mad about it. It's like,

992
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,320
you know, they're doing their following their rules effert and again.

993
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,360
Maybe Eifer will step aside, maybe they'll make a deal,

994
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,960
maybe they'll put them on the undercart. But if the movement,

995
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,480
if their teams, if Turkey and the money, if they

996
00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:33,239
want to make the fight, they're going to make the fight,

997
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,880
regardless of what belts are at stake. Period.

998
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 3: Two more things here, Oscar Valdez looking to be back.

999
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,960
What are the details on this? What have you found out?

1000
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 4: So Oscar obviously a two division world champion, been a

1001
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:48,559
champ at one hundred and thirty and one hundred and

1002
00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:52,639
twenty six. He's coming off of a loss that was

1003
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,599
He's only two and three in his last five doubts,

1004
00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:57,239
but he is coming off that very one sided, six

1005
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,679
round knockout loss against Emmanuel Never at the in their

1006
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:01,920
So he's looking to get back on the horse. And

1007
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,400
in order to do that, he will go and have

1008
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,800
a fight in September date to be announced in Mexico,

1009
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,960
where he is from, two time Mexican Olympian, and I

1010
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,400
went and looked this up because I knew we're going

1011
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,480
to talk about this. This is what I'm reporting. But

1012
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:17,480
he had only had in his whole career two previous

1013
00:45:17,519 --> 00:45:20,199
fights in Mexico. He turned professional in Mexico and then

1014
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,440
in I don't know, maybe his like six or eight fight.

1015
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,679
He had another fight well before he was at the

1016
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,719
championship level in Mexico, but all the rest of his

1017
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,000
fights have been in the United States. So he'll be back,

1018
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:34,760
and it's an opportunity to get a win under your belt,

1019
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,840
to put the put the loss to never At Day

1020
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,320
behind you, and try to create another opportunity to fight

1021
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,320
for a world title. What's interesting though, is that he

1022
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:44,920
is a Top Rank fighter, but they have a very

1023
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,400
close relationship and have had for decades with the team

1024
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,559
at Zanfer Promotions, which is one of the big promoters

1025
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:53,159
in Mexico. And because Top Rank right now has an

1026
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,800
unsettled broadcast deal, they're looking for opportunities and sort of

1027
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,599
cherry picking spots. Maybe where it makes sense for everybody

1028
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,559
to put some of their talent on other shows, because

1029
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:04,360
when they do figure out what they're doing, they're obviously

1030
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,599
gonna have some kind of backlog. Uh you know, I

1031
00:46:06,639 --> 00:46:08,599
don't know what they're gonna wind up doing. What I

1032
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:10,760
am told is they're not gonna whatever they if they

1033
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,360
do get a deal, they're probably not doing anything in

1034
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,480
the month of August. Okay, so they're gonna take this

1035
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:19,840
opportunity to put Valdez on a card in September. They've

1036
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,320
made a deal with PBC for Oshaki Foster to fight

1037
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,079
Stephen Fulton that will be on a PBC card, presumably

1038
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:28,519
the Tank Davis and Roach rematch card. They've got some

1039
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:31,639
of their prospects that they're keeping active on some local

1040
00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:34,199
shows where maybe they've become ticket sellers in California where

1041
00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:36,159
they can bring in some people and they're just sort of,

1042
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,079
you know, trying to try to do that. They've had

1043
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:41,079
some of their fighters uppear on some probox cards, that

1044
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:44,239
type of thing. They they had Brian Norman, you know,

1045
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,360
just go to Japan to fight on a car there.

1046
00:46:46,639 --> 00:46:49,840
They just made the deal with with the Fight for

1047
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,079
him to now go and fight the fight against Haiti

1048
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:54,800
and Saudi Arabia and Valdez is part of that thing

1049
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,360
where top rank is obviously not given up. I think

1050
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,559
they're going to get a deal. I've heard a few things.

1051
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,880
But in the meantime, until that sign stilled and delivered,

1052
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,599
they got to get their guys fights, and this will

1053
00:47:03,639 --> 00:47:06,159
be one of those opportunities for Oscar to go back

1054
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:08,039
home to Mexico and have a fight.

1055
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: All right, so touch on this. Why not we do

1056
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:11,360
the podcast?

1057
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,559
Speaker 3: We keep it real. ESPN was dropped by Major League Baseball.

1058
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:17,840
They are the ones that decided we're going to opt

1059
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,119
out of the deal right now. Reportedly, ESPN, for the

1060
00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:24,639
first time in months since that happened, is back talking

1061
00:47:24,679 --> 00:47:28,239
with Major League Baseball about continuing a relationship with Major

1062
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,840
League Baseball from talking with top ranked people, is the

1063
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,480
door potentially still open to stay in some capacity even

1064
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,880
on ESPN Plus, etc. From what you're hearing, because that

1065
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,920
seems to make a lot of sense. There was buzz

1066
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,239
out in California that maybe they're going to work something

1067
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,079
out with ESPN to at least stay on ESPN Plus

1068
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:50,840
as a platform as.

1069
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: Opposed to going to DIZONN.

1070
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 3: Have you heard anything about are they still talking beyond

1071
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,599
the expiration of the deal later on this month, anything

1072
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:00,719
to that, I.

1073
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 4: Wouldn't say that that while I would never, you'd never

1074
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,400
say never. And you know, I think in terms of

1075
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,559
the baseball and ESPN, it makes sense for ESPN to

1076
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:12,519
not have Major League Baseball. It seems insane to me.

1077
00:48:13,159 --> 00:48:14,519
But they're not going to do it at the price

1078
00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:16,039
they were paying. This was all I got to get

1079
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:18,960
it for a better price. And so obviously if ESPN

1080
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,639
has made a decision, they're not going to pay Top

1081
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:23,599
Rank what they were paying. And so if I'm not

1082
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:25,719
sure what they're willing to pay of anything to keep

1083
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,920
them in some capacity. But to answer the question, I've

1084
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,039
not heard anything credible that says that there's even a

1085
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:34,880
remote discussion that that may happen. Now, that doesn't mean

1086
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,800
it won't happen, because they can keep secrets sometimes pretty well.

1087
00:48:38,639 --> 00:48:40,840
It would be my great hope, frankly, that they would

1088
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,239
still maintain a presence on ESPN what Top Rank because

1089
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:45,920
and I may be in the minority, which I really

1090
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,559
don't care about, but I will tell you from my perspective,

1091
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,760
I feel like ESPN and Top Rank have done that

1092
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,440
Top Rank has done a very good job in there

1093
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,039
in their relationship with Top Rank. Not every fight has

1094
00:48:57,039 --> 00:48:59,920
been a winner, and it's never going to be my one.

1095
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:03,719
It's not a criticism, it's a critique, my critique of

1096
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,360
what the error was in the marriage between Toppering and ESPN,

1097
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,960
and I think the promotional company and the network both

1098
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,800
have to take some blame for it. And I do

1099
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,159
think that it hampered what they were trying to do,

1100
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,159
is that when they went to ESPN, ESPN had the

1101
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,159
entire slate topped the bottom the Schmorgensport, from the prospect

1102
00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:23,800
fights on preliminaries on ESPN all the way to the

1103
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,920
big mega you know, big championship level fights. Even like

1104
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,880
when they were doing in partnership with Fox the Wilder

1105
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,719
Fury two and three big pay per view fights, they

1106
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,239
never got to a point with their non pay per

1107
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:37,679
view fights and they didn't do a lot of pay

1108
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:40,280
per view fights. That might be one problem where ESPN

1109
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,039
was not thrilled that they were not able to somehow

1110
00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:44,800
create a pay per view star. I think like a

1111
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,960
t Femo Lopez and a Looma Chenka were hampered by

1112
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,760
the pandemic with that. But put that aside. What they

1113
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,320
didn't do a good job about was to let the

1114
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,320
public and the media understand that there were different levels

1115
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,880
of shows that similar to the way we saw it

1116
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,400
with HBO, where you a World Championship Boxing you had

1117
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,679
Boxing after Dark, or on Showtime where you had Showtime

1118
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:08,400
Championship Boxing and Showbox. They never like explain that they're

1119
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,480
different levels. So one week you might see Tithy Maloba's

1120
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:16,800
against against Lomachenko in a big unification fight. Er you

1121
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,880
might see the undisputed lightweight championship fight from Australia with

1122
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,519
Haney and Cambosas, and they did plenty of other major

1123
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:24,880
fights on the network. And but the next week you

1124
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,119
might see, you know, Wido Vnelo against Faa Jagua. Not

1125
00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:29,920
a bad fight, but it's certainly not at the level

1126
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,760
level recognition or the financial commitment. So they never like

1127
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,559
explain that not everything that somebody these are going to be.

1128
00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:40,079
To use the vernacular, a boxing after dark level show

1129
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,400
compared to a World Championship boxing show, I feel like

1130
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,960
you cannot take the same product and present that the

1131
00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:50,440
exact same way when there's such vastly different levels of

1132
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,320
what the expectations are that was a major, major with

1133
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,559
and I feel like it costs the whole program.

1134
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 3: All right, Well, let's see what they end up doing.

1135
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,320
And it would not supprise me if the dialogue is

1136
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,679
being had or maybe comes around to ESPN Plus because

1137
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,280
it is so vast and so many different entities do

1138
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,840
deals with them, you could, you know, I'm just speculating,

1139
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,880
you could have a fight of the Month on ESPN

1140
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,840
Plus from top rank if you wanted to. You wouldn't

1141
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,599
have to be exclusive to there, but it'd be a

1142
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:19,840
way to keep your name out there, keep your fighters

1143
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,039
out there if you wanted to. Maybe they are divorced,

1144
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,280
maybe they're not gonna be together anymore.

1145
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll see.

1146
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 3: But there was some speculation out in southern California on

1147
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:31,440
what are they gonna do and would they just go

1148
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:32,920
with a deal with the ES.

1149
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: Let me put it to you this way, and this

1150
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:35,480
is the truth.

1151
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,199
Speaker 3: There are a whole lot more people interested in the

1152
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:42,079
wide array of what's on ESPN Plus with ESPN promoting it,

1153
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,039
then what's on Dezone, even though Zone's got a lot

1154
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:48,320
of boxing. I understand that point in that premise too.

1155
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,239
You would be promoting to a lot more than just

1156
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,519
boxing people. If you were promoting that boxing was on

1157
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:53,360
ESPN plus.

1158
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 4: I don't know what they're I've never heard of any

1159
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,559
real discussions between the Z and maybe there's Zone and

1160
00:51:57,599 --> 00:51:57,960
Top Rank.

1161
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, and so what is the outlet?

1162
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 4: And I mean, I'll be honest you, I hope that

1163
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,519
Top Rank isn't on the Zone. And it's not because

1164
00:52:03,519 --> 00:52:05,599
I am antid Zone. It's just because I'm a very

1165
00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:09,840
strong believer that it is terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible for

1166
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,400
the industry for everybody to be rolled up on one platform,

1167
00:52:13,559 --> 00:52:16,719
particularly when in the United States that platform does not

1168
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:21,639
have a large subscription. So good point. Yeah, nothing against

1169
00:52:21,679 --> 00:52:24,480
the Zone, but they have Matchroom, they have Golden Boy,

1170
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:28,039
they have Frank Warren, They've plenty of good boxing content

1171
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:31,920
Top Ranked. Hopefully they get a deal somewhere else. PBC

1172
00:52:32,119 --> 00:52:34,079
is doing their thing at the moment with Prime Video,

1173
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,400
and if the people say, well that it makes them

1174
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,920
making the big fights harder. It's always harder to make

1175
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,000
big fights. It's not the easiest thing, even if you're

1176
00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:43,519
on the same platform. So if the fight is big enough,

1177
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,519
there'll be a way to make it happen. I know this.

1178
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,840
I lived through and covered and wrote extensively about Mike

1179
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,400
Tyson and Lennox Lewis, and it happened. And I did

1180
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,679
the same thing for five years before it happened on

1181
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,880
Manny Paco and Floyd Maywether. If the fight is there,

1182
00:52:58,199 --> 00:53:00,079
it can be made. Where there is a will, there

1183
00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:00,719
is a way.

1184
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.

1185
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,159
Speaker 3: One other thing, what are you just trying to put

1186
00:53:05,159 --> 00:53:08,480
comedy in for July fourth weekend? That on my rundown

1187
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,800
it says Gary Russell Junior is ending a three and

1188
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:11,960
a half year layoff?

1189
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:13,199
Speaker 1: Is that?

1190
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,599
Speaker 3: Is that a comedic punch line to something? What's going

1191
00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:17,960
on with this? Give me the give me the quick version.

1192
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 4: The quick version is PBC made their formal announcement of

1193
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,519
what the free preliminary fights are going to be on Saturday,

1194
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,480
the July nineteenth in the in the couple of hours

1195
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,159
before the Paco pay per view begins. And one of

1196
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:32,360
the and I've reported on the two other fights. One

1197
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,679
of them is the return of the former featherweight title

1198
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:39,639
older Mark Megsio, who actually defeated Gary Russell Junior. He's

1199
00:53:39,639 --> 00:53:42,840
coming back in a junior lightweight fight. Against Jorge monta Quaar.

1200
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,239
And then you also have a guy that's been in

1201
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,840
the news is Alan David Picasso against Kayan Kamita from

1202
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,079
Japan in the second fight. He's trying to win that

1203
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:54,079
fight to set up what he hopes will be the

1204
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:57,159
December match against in a way in Saudi Arabia. And

1205
00:53:57,199 --> 00:53:59,840
the main fight among the preliminary baubts is the return

1206
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,320
of Gary Russell, who last was seen, as you said,

1207
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:07,960
three some years ago, losing his featherweight title to two Magxio,

1208
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,000
and he hadn't fought for a while. And you know,

1209
00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:12,280
Gary Russell's entire career unfortunately has been.

1210
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 3: What has he had two fights since the first Trump

1211
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:15,920
administration began?

1212
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 4: Maybe, I mean, I'm not even sure that man. I mean,

1213
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,800
the problem with Gary is that he was the epitome

1214
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,800
of the once a year fighter and he has held

1215
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,320
that delt hostage. But again in the last fight, which

1216
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,920
was what January of twenty twenty two, he lost the

1217
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:32,840
WBC featherweight title in a close fight by a majority

1218
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,519
decision to Mark mccio. He has not fought since, and

1219
00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:39,320
so I didn't know if he was ever coming back.

1220
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,800
I never he never announced his retirement. But the main

1221
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,440
thing is the last time I saw Gary Russell wasn't

1222
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,320
in the boxing ring as a fighter. He was in

1223
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,519
there because he was working as a trainer with his

1224
00:54:48,599 --> 00:54:51,480
brothers that you know, he works with his brother Gary

1225
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:55,199
and Twin Russell as a world title and who know

1226
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:56,599
if he was going to come back, but he's not

1227
00:54:56,639 --> 00:54:58,440
coming back at featherweight. He's not even coming back at

1228
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,360
junior lege way, it was announced as a lightweight fight

1229
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,159
and we'll see he's fighting Hugo Castaneda, not a particularly

1230
00:55:04,199 --> 00:55:05,599
well known name. I think this is just a matter

1231
00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:07,800
of let Gary ease back into things. It's sort of

1232
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,719
striking to me that he's on the same card fighting

1233
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,760
above him on the show as Mark Magsio, but Maxio

1234
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,079
is the guy that beat him front of the title

1235
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:16,079
back a few years ago.

1236
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,599
Speaker 3: By the way, for the record, Gary Russell Junior fought

1237
00:55:19,679 --> 00:55:24,400
someone named Joseph Pedraza Diaz in February of twenty eighteen.

1238
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:28,119
He fought Keiko Martinez in May of twenty nineteen, and

1239
00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:33,960
then he lost or he beat Niambaar in February of

1240
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,920
twenty twenty, and he lost to Magsio in January of

1241
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:41,559
twenty two four fights since the May of twenty eighteen,

1242
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,119
four fights in seven years.

1243
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,639
Speaker 4: At the moment, Garry Russell is that when he was

1244
00:55:46,679 --> 00:55:50,920
coming into the pros off the Olympics, as naturally talented

1245
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,920
and gifted as anybody you've ever seen, I would tell

1246
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,920
you to me the fastest hands I may have ever

1247
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,559
seen period in my life, and that include the prime

1248
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:07,199
Roy Jones or Floyd Mayweather. Phenomenal, phenomenal talent, had power, obviously,

1249
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,320
come from a great background with his father and the

1250
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:15,480
whole family, just a tremendous talent, and just never really

1251
00:56:15,519 --> 00:56:17,440
seemed to really care that much boxing.

1252
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: Well, there you go.

1253
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,559
Speaker 4: It was his life from the standpoint, that's what they

1254
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:23,360
were doing. They were always in the gym with the

1255
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,760
brothers and training and this and that. But he just

1256
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,239
never seemed like he had that true zest for the fight.

1257
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: So is he doing this for money? Is he?

1258
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 3: I mean, it can't be that much money to fight

1259
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,159
on a prelim card of a pay per view that's

1260
00:56:35,199 --> 00:56:37,960
not the pay per view? Is he doing this because

1261
00:56:38,119 --> 00:56:40,480
because he wants to be a champion again and now

1262
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:42,760
wants to fight. That's a great mystery question.

1263
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,559
Speaker 4: I'm assuming I'm assuming he's doing it because he wants to.

1264
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:47,239
I don't think it's a matter. I mean, even if

1265
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:48,840
he's not making the money he was making when he

1266
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,599
was champion. You know, I think everybody understands that you're

1267
00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:53,480
not going to just jump in after three plus years

1268
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,519
off and a loss and be making a million dollars

1269
00:56:55,559 --> 00:57:00,000
a fight. That's not realistic. But Gary seemed to always

1270
00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:03,079
be quite happy to make his you know, low seven

1271
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:06,000
figure perse for his title fights and go about his

1272
00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:09,400
merry way. I've always thought highly of him as a

1273
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,000
fighter because of the talent I just outlined. I picked

1274
00:57:12,039 --> 00:57:13,519
him as the prospect of the year way back in

1275
00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:16,800
the day, and so all that said, it's so weird.

1276
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,400
He's one of the single most disappointing fighters ever that

1277
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,719
I have covered, not because he was a bust. Some

1278
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,719
guys you pick as a prospect of the year, you

1279
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,280
think is gonna go to the promised land, be a champ,

1280
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,679
be a Hall of Famer, and they just completely shit

1281
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:32,039
the bed and they're gone in a couple of years

1282
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:34,840
and they don't do anything. Gary Russell was not that guy.

1283
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:39,519
Gary Russell had massive talent, he was supreme fighter, but

1284
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:42,079
he just like if I care more than you do,

1285
00:57:42,239 --> 00:57:42,920
that's a problem.

1286
00:57:43,199 --> 00:57:45,519
Speaker 3: He just didn't have a passion to be one of

1287
00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:47,599
the greats or a great champion or a great fighter,

1288
00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:49,880
or he would have fought morning, would have fought better fighters.

1289
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,519
Speaker 4: And it wasn't like he laid off because he was injured.

1290
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,880
Whe there was no fights in now fight he you

1291
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,039
know whatever, And I wish you good, lucky to come back.

1292
00:57:59,079 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 3: I'll say like that, all right, So he's back on

1293
00:58:01,559 --> 00:58:04,519
July nineteenth, we will be back off of this holiday

1294
00:58:04,519 --> 00:58:07,840
weekend again. We began talking about the Jack Catterwall main

1295
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,320
event in England that will take place on Saturday afternoon

1296
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,800
from Manchester. We'll recap the fights, we'll see what other

1297
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,639
fight news that there is as well, and then we'll

1298
00:58:16,679 --> 00:58:20,119
get ready for the double header. Friday night is the

1299
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,400
Katie Taylor Amanda Soroano Trilogy main event for the Madison

1300
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,400
Square Garden All Ladies card in New York. And then

1301
00:58:27,639 --> 00:58:30,239
as you heard from Edgar Berlanga on this podcast, Berlanga

1302
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,039
and Shiraz is the headlining fight on the card the

1303
00:58:33,079 --> 00:58:36,760
next night in Queens at the US Tennis Center Stadium,

1304
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:37,800
Louis Armstrong Stadium.

1305
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,159
Speaker 1: So we got double header next week.

1306
00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:43,119
Speaker 3: With that, my friend, be well. For everybody that's traveling,

1307
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:46,239
that's listening to us, please be careful. Dangerous, dangerous weekend

1308
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,679
on the roadways because there's so many more people on

1309
00:58:48,719 --> 00:58:52,599
the roadways. Good luck with the airlines, I say with

1310
00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:54,599
a face. I mean I did well on the airlines

1311
00:58:54,639 --> 00:58:56,639
last weekend getting back home, but so many people have.

1312
00:58:56,639 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: Had a mess. Be careful on the airline.

1313
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 3: Other than that, mister Rayphiel, I'll see you on the

1314
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,239
bet Us Boxing Show. We'll do it live Friday as

1315
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,480
you hear us at one Eastern time. Other than that,

1316
00:59:08,519 --> 00:59:10,000
my friend, Happy July fourth weekend.

1317
00:59:10,519 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 4: Thank you Tjay and there.

1318
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Speaker 3: We go, and we thank you for listening on Apple, Spreaker, Spotify.

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This is the Big Fight Weekend Preview podcast.