WEBVTT 1 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:13.519 Welcome to the Bear Hunting Magazine Hunt Cast with me 2 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:16.879 Koby Morehead. We're gonna nerd out on bears hunting in 3 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:21.239 the outdoors. We'll tell stories, talk biology, tactics, gear, and 4 00:00:21.280 --> 00:00:23.879 the fight to protect the pursuits that we hold dear. 5 00:00:24.359 --> 00:00:26.960 So grab your bino's, lace up your boots, load up 6 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:29.440 your barrels, and gather the hounds as we venture on 7 00:00:29.559 --> 00:00:43.799 this journey together. All right, welcome to another episode of 8 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:48.240 the Bear Hunting Magazine hunt Cast. Today, we're joined by 9 00:00:48.880 --> 00:00:53.439 my buddy Heath up in Virginia. Big old plot. 10 00:00:53.119 --> 00:01:01.679 Guy was, I'm running those hosts tens. Now, I get 11 00:01:01.679 --> 00:01:04.159 a little I get a I get a little hate. 12 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:06.319 I get a little hate from it. But yeah, I 13 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:09.000 plots are near and dear to me. That's what I 14 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:12.719 started hunting. That's that's what got me into hound hunting, 15 00:01:13.519 --> 00:01:15.760 and they do hold a special place in my heart. 16 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:21.040 But right now I'm I'm sorry, I'm running the tricolors. 17 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:24.840 What did all your friends say? 18 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:29.560 Uh? Well, the group that I hunt with now, they're 19 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:32.920 all we're all running kind of mixed up dogs. I mean, 20 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:35.480 we got a little bit of everything, but none of 21 00:01:35.560 --> 00:01:38.719 us are running. None of us are running like a 22 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:43.280 registered plot. Got some of them got some plot mix. 23 00:01:43.359 --> 00:01:45.159 And the guys in West Virginia that we were just 24 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:47.959 talking about I hunt with now they have a couple 25 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:50.640 of plots and they're they've crossed the plots with some 26 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:54.560 English dogs, so they're they're running that. But nobody in 27 00:01:54.599 --> 00:01:58.719 my immediate group actually has one at this point in time. 28 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:03.799 Are right, Well I misspoke. The guys that I talked 29 00:02:03.879 --> 00:02:06.879 to your buddies with the are all plot guys. 30 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:11.759 Well that's again, that's where I got my start. You know, 31 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:13.800 that takes this all the way back to you know 32 00:02:13.960 --> 00:02:16.680 Fielder back in ninety seven. That was when we first met, 33 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:18.759 when I was running my little plot female Brandy and 34 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:22.800 he was hunting Wrangler. And that's I mean, so yeah, 35 00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:24.960 I mean, it's it's there. That's the footprint of it. 36 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:30.479 Yeah, Well I never said your last name that we're 37 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:36.360 talking today with Heath Hyatt and a few issues back, 38 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:40.319 Bear sar Gooser wrote an article about the benefits of 39 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:44.240 cross training, and Bear's a busy guy right now. So 40 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:47.680 the person that came to mind whenever I was thinking 41 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:51.479 about who can talk about this? You jumped into my head. 42 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:54.759 A lot of people might not know talk talk about 43 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:59.080 your podcast, like you have a hound podcast that you put. 44 00:02:58.919 --> 00:03:02.599 On, Yeah, so you supply Yeah, you can catch us 45 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:07.240 over on the W network and Kobe and I was 46 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:09.439 just talking about this. I'm still nameless. We call it 47 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:13.319 What's Up Wednesdays. That's just to us to hang us 48 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:15.919 there until we can come up with the title that 49 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:19.280 we're looking for. But yeah, we talk about dog training 50 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:21.879 and we talk about it in all types of venues, 51 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:26.479 which is leading us into this podcast. You know, I'm 52 00:03:26.520 --> 00:03:29.319 a police canine trainer. That's what I do for a living, 53 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:33.280 is is train and do the maintenance work and do 54 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:35.879 schools and get dogs up and running in the law 55 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:43.159 enforcement world. And I try to incorporate that into the 56 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:47.319 hound hunting and bring some of those tricks and techniques 57 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:50.599 and tactics into the training that I do with my hands. 58 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:55.680 And I will say, and I know we'll go over this, 59 00:03:55.840 --> 00:04:01.800 but it has made my hunting so much more enjoyable 60 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:05.439 by just doing a few of the small things that 61 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:08.360 make the relationship between you and your and your hunting partner, 62 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:11.919 your hound. And you know, most guys are running a 63 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:15.680 handful of dogs. I mean, my typical number that I'm 64 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:18.040 carrying with me at a time is about six. That's 65 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:22.680 my that's my sweet spot. And I know some guys 66 00:04:22.759 --> 00:04:24.639 run more than that, some guys run a little less 67 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:27.279 than that. But when you go to handling six dogs, 68 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:32.399 it can be tough. And the podcast that that we 69 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:34.879 talk about I have, I have people from all over 70 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:39.199 the world. In fact, today, uh, which is a Wednesday, 71 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:43.120 we had I had a lady on from Boswana and 72 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:47.199 we were talking about hunting leopards with hounds. How they 73 00:04:47.240 --> 00:04:49.279 do it, the stuff that they're looking for in a dog. 74 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:51.519 You know, they're using a whole pack, and they're using 75 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:54.519 that pack strategically. They've got two dogs that trail. They've 76 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:57.560 got two dogs that put the pressure, which are plots 77 00:04:57.879 --> 00:05:02.000 colby the pushing pressure on the dog. They're using some 78 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:05.040 some some of the old gasking type dogs. So they're 79 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:07.120 using a mix and match of dogs to put their 80 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:11.120 pack together so that it can work as one unit. 81 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:14.439 But just I had her on today. You know, I've 82 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:17.439 had some some of the world renown and police canine 83 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:21.480 trainers on who I've become friends with, some of them 84 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:24.959 who even meant toor me, uh for what I do. 85 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:29.480 We have those guys on. We've had retriever guys had 86 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:33.560 Jim roncourse uh with Drake Waterfowl on. You know, I've 87 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:37.639 had Jason Carter and Jeremy Moore, and I'm sure I'm 88 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:42.120 forgetting some other bird dog guys Tyler Smith. We've had 89 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:45.279 a lot of bird dog guys on. So anything that 90 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:47.879 I can learn and I can bring to the table 91 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:51.680 for the listeners, that's what the podcast is about, is 92 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:58.120 picking up different training techniques and methods to enhance your 93 00:05:58.160 --> 00:05:59.519 relationship with your dog. 94 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:03.639 Yeah. I think that's really good. I mean, if you 95 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:09.399 get stuck inside of just your segment, it's dangerous to 96 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:13.040 get into that group think and you never really like 97 00:06:13.720 --> 00:06:19.120 are going up inside of your I guess like maturity, 98 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:22.240 you're limited to the people you keep around you. And 99 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:25.319 I don't know, I think there's a lot of benefit. 100 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:28.519 I mean, if you think about an MMA fighter, no 101 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:33.279 person that is just versed in one particular style is 102 00:06:33.319 --> 00:06:35.160 going to go out there and dominate, Like they have 103 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:38.720 to have a balance of you know, they've got to 104 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:43.120 have the ability to get down and grapple, to stand 105 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:46.160 up and throw hands and stuff like that. I mean, 106 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:50.399 I could see where it takes different disciplines to have 107 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:54.920 a super well rounded hound. 108 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:57.920 You know. And I was thinking about this after you 109 00:06:57.920 --> 00:06:59.920 and I talked today on the way home. I'll think 110 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:03.759 about you know, my so I you know, I've been 111 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:06.800 in the hand world thirty years, so I've actually owned 112 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:11.920 and raised hounds for thirty and the first the first 113 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:14.199 set of dogs that I had and won't even talk about. 114 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:17.519 You know, Brandy, my plot female like, she was a 115 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:20.920 natural and the only thing I did is put boot 116 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:24.240 leather in her. Like hunted. I hunted, and I hunted 117 00:07:24.279 --> 00:07:26.000 and I hunt. I was hunting six nights a week, 118 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:29.639 and I mean that's all I did. As far as 119 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:32.600 the training part of it, I had no clue what 120 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:36.399 I was doing. None, And even into some of the 121 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:39.000 first bear dogs that I ended up with. I had 122 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:44.079 a dog named Frosty, and Frosty like taught me about 123 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:48.079 bear hunting, like he taught me where to go find 124 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:50.279 bear like I had no I had no clue. And 125 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:54.480 I was an avid hunter, but I did not understand 126 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:59.120 the woods until I started fallowing a hound. And that 127 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:01.319 was in my early twenties. You know, I was in 128 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:05.079 my early twenties. But all the dogs that have been 129 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:07.519 really good dogs and made me look like a really 130 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:11.519 good handler and trainer. They were naturals. I didn't do nothing. 131 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:14.519 I took them hunting. I did very little correction with 132 00:08:14.560 --> 00:08:17.959 them because the style of correction correction that I was 133 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:23.920 applying was basically not working or the dogs were so 134 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:27.680 strong that the damage that I was doing to them 135 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:30.839 by the wrong correction, they just went on about their business. 136 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:32.480 They shook it off and went on and that takes 137 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:36.440 a certain style of dog to do that. But it 138 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:41.320 wasn't until I got into the actual training aspect for 139 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:44.440 the law enforcement side, which is going to be about 140 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:50.559 twenty ten, so that's fourteen years ago. That's when that 141 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:54.519 kind of lifted lid off of my box. Like you 142 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:57.159 just said, the realm that I was in, like I 143 00:08:57.200 --> 00:08:59.799 had no clue. I had no clue what I was doing. 144 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:02.639 Dogs hunting and a hunted hard like I did. I 145 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:05.399 stayed in the woods. That was that's my life, that's 146 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:08.840 my passion. That's what I did. But the dogs made 147 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:10.960 me look good. I didn't make them look good because 148 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:12.480 I didn't have a clue what I was doing. I 149 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:17.720 didn't understand you know, behavior, I didn't understand drives. I 150 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:21.519 didn't understand the methods and stuff that we used today 151 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:26.559 on how to tweak things. And I get some I 152 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:29.279 get some blowback on well I don't want to hear 153 00:09:29.320 --> 00:09:31.679 what a police trainer has to say. I get it. 154 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:35.480 You know, if you're closed minded, then it doesn't apply 155 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:38.639 to you, and I'll you know, but it does apply 156 00:09:38.759 --> 00:09:41.879 to you. There is stuff there is nobody that knows, 157 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:45.159 drives and stuff like these guys that are actually make 158 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:48.279 not making that are asking a dog to go apprehend 159 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:52.519 a human being. The dogs are domesticated, we've been they've 160 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:56.240 been domesticated for thousands of years. And you're telling that 161 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:59.519 dog that, hey, here I'm feeding you, human is feeding 162 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:01.960 you human. Are good, But now I need you to go. 163 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:05.919 I need you to go apprehend this guy. So learning 164 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:10.639 how to get the dogs to operate under that, for 165 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:13.039 me at that point in time was overwhelming, Like it 166 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:15.879 was so much information that I couldn't take it all in. 167 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:19.039 I've got notes and notebooks and stuff stacked up. I've 168 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:22.639 watched videos, I bought DVDs like I was like a 169 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:24.879 sponge and I still am. I still want to learn, 170 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:29.440 I still want to make myself better. And just like 171 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:33.960 you refer to the athlete. Like, if I'm just stuck 172 00:10:34.039 --> 00:10:39.440 in my zone here boom, then what I know is 173 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:43.559 what I know, and I have to form. I have 174 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:49.919 to pick out dogs that work under that that zone, 175 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:51.720 Like if they don't fit in that zone, then they're 176 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:53.200 not going to work for me because I don't know 177 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:58.360 anything else. And I hunt, I don't hunt. I have 178 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:01.399 several groups that I train with that i'm that I 179 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:05.759 certify with or I certify their guys they use they 180 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:09.080 use some techniques that are very old, but they have 181 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:13.320 perfected their craft in that. But when they perfected their craft, 182 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:15.399 they've got a certain type of dog that fits into 183 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:20.879 that mold. And I think that is what has made 184 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:27.639 me better is taking the sport dog world. The sport 185 00:11:27.679 --> 00:11:29.840 dog guys have so much control on their dog and 186 00:11:29.879 --> 00:11:33.039 they have not diminished to drive whatsoever. That is the 187 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:35.320 biggest croc of baloney that I hear. Well, I don't 188 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:37.600 want to shut the dog down yet. You can shut 189 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:40.080 the dog down if you handle things wrongly. But if 190 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:43.519 you understand drives, what motivates the dog, what the dog's 191 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:47.200 working for, Like you're you can make that dog do 192 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:49.639 anything you want him to do. You're not going to 193 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:52.039 hurt him by putting a handle on him. And I 194 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:54.240 hear a lot of people say that, like, you know, 195 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:58.679 don't you know you got too much control of them dogs. Well, yeah, 196 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:01.360 when when they're not out here doing what they're you know, 197 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:03.720 what I want them to do, then I want them 198 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:05.559 to be under control. I don't want them to run 199 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:09.679 them up, you know. So I don't know, there's a lot. 200 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:11.559 There's a lot that goes into it. I think taking 201 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:16.720 different training methods and training disciplines, you know, like I said, 202 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:19.159 you can look at the retrievers and the pointers. You 203 00:12:19.159 --> 00:12:21.440 look at the deer dog guys and the coyote guys. 204 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:23.919 I'll give you I'll give you example of the coyote 205 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:29.039 coyote gas. So I interviewed them a guy by the 206 00:12:29.120 --> 00:12:36.039 name Howard Owens, and he was talking about the dog 207 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:40.159 swinging wide on a track and I had I was like, 208 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:45.519 all right, so explain to me what swinging means. And 209 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:47.679 he said, the dog goes wide, and you know, they 210 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:52.879 lose some points and whatever. So this past this, so 211 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:55.159 our season's in right now, you're not talking about that. 212 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:58.799 My little female, my little Kate female, who is a 213 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:03.279 kemp dog. I have noticed and I noticed this. I 214 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:06.720 really noticed it. Noticed it last year's She turned five 215 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:09.799 this year, so, but last year I really noticed it 216 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:14.639 that she's always out. If you're looking at the garment, 217 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:18.279 her track's going to be off to the side. She's 218 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:20.879 not going to be right with the pack necessarily unless 219 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:24.399 it's just caught and walking. If it's running. And I 220 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:27.679 was up in West Virginia on Youth Day and I'm 221 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:30.840 sitting there in my truck and I'm watching the iPad 222 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:35.360 and she swings way wide and she comes right back 223 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:38.120 into them dogs. And what he told me during that 224 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:44.159 podcast was it was her like I realized that boom, like, 225 00:13:44.360 --> 00:13:47.879 this is my dog. This is what she's doing. I 226 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:51.120 always seen her kind of mealing off or not melling, 227 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:53.360 but off the track a little bit with the group, 228 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:55.559 but she always was where she was need to be, 229 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:58.240 and sometimes she would end up shortcutting those dogs and 230 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:01.759 being in front. But I learned something from him. I 231 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:05.600 understand it more because somebody else told me something that 232 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:06.240 I didn't know. 233 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:10.320 While you were talking, I was just thinking that we 234 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:13.399 have to think about what our community is, and it 235 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:15.879 seems like a lot of guys would just think their 236 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:22.240 community would be bear dogs. Or tree dogs, or down 237 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:25.720 to a specific breed. But what you're talking about is 238 00:14:25.759 --> 00:14:31.000 going out and encompassing the wider community of houndsmen, of 239 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:35.879 dog guys and handlers. And whenever you do that, it 240 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:39.679 gives you the ability to see things that are illuminated 241 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:43.480 by the things that they're strong in. So basically, like 242 00:14:44.360 --> 00:14:48.120 their strengths are the things that they really have to 243 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:51.879 focus in on, illuminate the things inside of your own hounds, 244 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:56.279 and give you the ability to have a better experience 245 00:14:56.320 --> 00:15:00.840 with them, you know. So I mean in some guys, 246 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:04.120 I don't know. I think some guys like the chaos, 247 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:09.320 you know, like some guys want the split trees, and 248 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:14.960 they get the love from the that wild, chaotic like 249 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:20.000 handle the thing, you know, like their handle is like 250 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:22.879 I can step up wheneverything's happened that are outside of 251 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:25.799 my control, you know, and I can go out there 252 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:29.440 and handle it, and they get a lot of pride 253 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:34.120 or or feel strength, or or they just like the 254 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:38.279 excitement of it. I don't know, But you were talking 255 00:15:38.279 --> 00:15:42.879 about how having a better handle and having better training 256 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:46.559 inside of your hounds makes the hunt more enjoyable for you. 257 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:52.080 So what's become more enjoyable about hunting with dogs that 258 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:55.960 you have a new type of training and a good 259 00:15:55.960 --> 00:15:58.120 handling on it on them. 260 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:03.679 Well for me, And I'm very particular. If you make 261 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:05.960 it down here in December, you're going to see, like 262 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:09.200 I'm very structured in my regiment, like what I do. 263 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:14.200 I don't like dogs barking in the box, Like I don't. 264 00:16:14.519 --> 00:16:16.919 You know, if you're barking, you better be barking because 265 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:20.679 you've got a big whiff of bar oder. I see 266 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:22.600 a lot of guys driving around in boxes that the 267 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:26.360 dogs are just the whole day, and I can't stand that. 268 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:29.200 That's me personally, each to their own. I'm not against it, 269 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:30.000 it's just not for me. 270 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:32.320 Well, I think a lot of guys have given up 271 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:35.840 on getting that team down well. 272 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:37.840 And I tell one of my good friends this all 273 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:40.039 the time. If you've got one that do it, does it, 274 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:42.639 then you've got five that does it. Because it's monkey 275 00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:45.080 sea monkey do. Dogs learn from each other more than 276 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:49.159 we give them credit for. But you know, just you know, 277 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:51.720 and I know a lot of guys do this because 278 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:55.279 I see it. I see it all the time. In fact, 279 00:16:55.399 --> 00:16:57.679 I've got to put this out there because I just 280 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:03.759 watched the line Heart video today for Colorado, and you know, 281 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:06.680 Josh Whitterkin and we're on there and these guys, you know, 282 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:09.359 they saddle up their horses, they they have their dogs 283 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:13.519 with them. They're riding along as as a team. Like 284 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:16.920 the dogs are not acting crazy, and you know, they're 285 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:19.039 not blowing through the country. Of course, this is big 286 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:21.799 game hunting, not competition coon hunting, so it's different. We've 287 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:25.160 got to differentiate what we're talking about. But just the 288 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:28.119 dogs are just so a pleasure to be around. And 289 00:17:28.720 --> 00:17:30.160 you know, I come out of the woods the other 290 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:34.000 day Monday, pouring down around. I got to the tree, 291 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:37.759 I get my hands on two dogs. The bear slides out. 292 00:17:38.119 --> 00:17:40.079 I literally got two dogs in my hand. I can't 293 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:43.599 get the other two. It's the skies opened up. I 294 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:48.000 mean it monsoon rain. I'm miserable, Like you know how 295 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:50.240 it is when you walk in wet I got to 296 00:17:50.279 --> 00:17:52.319 walk a half a mile back to the truck. But 297 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:55.000 as soon as that, soon as I got my dogs 298 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:58.279 off the tree, like I don't put a lead on them, 299 00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:00.519 like come on, let's go, guys, and they come out 300 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:02.960 with me. And then you know, I had to drive 301 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:05.920 around the mountain and walk another almost a half a 302 00:18:05.960 --> 00:18:09.799 mile into the secondary and same thing. As soon as 303 00:18:09.839 --> 00:18:13.000 I get my hands on a dog, it's gone. Man. 304 00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:15.359 And I'm sitting there with my dogs and I'm holding them, 305 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:17.960 and I did put them on a lead for a minute. 306 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:20.839 I walked them back about thirty yards, let them calm 307 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:23.079 down for a second, and then I un snapped him, 308 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:25.000 like all right, let's go. Now. It's still raining and 309 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:30.240 I'm wet, But just being able to speak to the 310 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:33.599 dogs instead of you know, screaming and yelling and all 311 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:38.559 the time hooping and hollering like that takes that makes 312 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:41.799 it more stressful than it needs to be. But it 313 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:45.440 goes further than that cold. It goes into like training 314 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:50.119 techniques like I'm doing then in print scent in printing 315 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:53.599 program that I picked up from Miguel over in Spain, 316 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:56.920 and I've been imprinting my puppies from five weeks old 317 00:18:56.960 --> 00:19:00.319 on scent up to I don't know I do. I 318 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:01.720 do it kind of like I do my here. I 319 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:04.279 learned this from the police stide. When I'm imprinting dogs 320 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:08.480 for odor, I eat narcotics. Then I run through a 321 00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:11.880 process and I'm doing my hands the same way but 322 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:17.200 I'm using Miguel's I'm using his method, but my technique 323 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:19.400 to it from what I'm taking. So I'm taking his 324 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:22.960 world in my world, putting it together. And I've got 325 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:27.839 my puppies trailing odor at i mean eight weeks old, 326 00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:31.960 like they're taking tracks again, these are fifteen minute old 327 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:35.119 tracks that are twenty yards, and then we build up 328 00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:38.119 and we build up, and then I've got them running 329 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:40.680 an hour hour and a half two hour old tracks 330 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:45.000 with humidity letter levels high. The temperature is in the 331 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:49.559 mid seventies, like they're using their noses at an earlier stage, 332 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:56.519 so the dog's mature faster. So I'm able to do 333 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:00.960 more things with them in that me, I don't like 334 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:03.519 to hunt my dogs before three a year old. That's 335 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:07.440 me personally, But I'm able to do more things and 336 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:10.519 build foundations with them. And you know, I've got my 337 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:13.160 dogs loading in the truck at three and a half 338 00:20:13.160 --> 00:20:15.599 four months old. I mean they're jumping on the tailgate, 339 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:18.559 they're doing you know, they're doing their things. They're you know, 340 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:21.480 I'm tone breaking my dogs, you know, at four or 341 00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:24.160 five months old, using some of the methods that I've 342 00:20:24.279 --> 00:20:28.440 learned from my law enforcement side. It's just stuff like 343 00:20:28.519 --> 00:20:33.960 that that has helped me become better and it helped 344 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:37.079 my dog, me and the dogs have a better relationship. 345 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:39.680 Like I said, I'm I come from an old school 346 00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:43.400 method of training, and it was all compulsion. And if 347 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:45.960 your listeners don't know what compulsion is, it's you do 348 00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:47.480 as I say, or I'm gonna make you do it, 349 00:20:47.799 --> 00:20:49.119 and if you don't do it, I'm gonna make you 350 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:53.400 do it again. And you know, that's what I knew. 351 00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:55.759 That's how I was raised, That's how I was brought up, 352 00:20:55.799 --> 00:20:58.279 That's what I saw in my early years as hunting, 353 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:04.119 and I quickly learned that there's a thousand other ways 354 00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:07.559 to do it. And when you can motivate that dog 355 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:10.640 to do things that you're wanting him to do, it 356 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:14.039 just makes everything ten times better. Does that make sense 357 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:15.799 what I'm saying? Yeah? I think. 358 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:18.599 So what are some of the things you would say, 359 00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:21.839 like maybe the top three things that you're training to 360 00:21:21.960 --> 00:21:25.880 a dog that are just non negotiable for you to 361 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:28.279 now you know where it's like, these are the three 362 00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:34.240 top things that you really focus on recalls? 363 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:37.359 First one recall which means the dog has to come 364 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:37.799 to you. 365 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:42.759 How are you calling them back as a voice or tone. 366 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:47.599 Or so I start out with voice. In fact, I 367 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:49.720 did a podcast on these guys. You can go to 368 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:51.720 What's Up Wednesday listen to it. So first I start 369 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:55.279 out with voice, and I always use food as the motivator. 370 00:21:55.640 --> 00:21:57.920 But then as the dog's mature a little bit and 371 00:21:57.960 --> 00:22:03.240 you start adding in distractions, then the food motivator is good, 372 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:05.559 but it's not the end all be all, So you've 373 00:22:05.559 --> 00:22:07.839 got to add some type of correction into it. Their 374 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:12.480 pairs start paying the tone to it, and I'll tell you, you know, 375 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:16.599 I'll give you a prime example of this. So if 376 00:22:16.640 --> 00:22:19.240 I if we're on a mean bear, a bear on 377 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:22.039 the ground training season especially, you can't do nothing with it. 378 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:24.920 You just got to get your dogs. If I can 379 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:28.559 get in to where my dogs can hear me, like 380 00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:34.160 if I holler at them, hey, and most of them 381 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:37.039 will come to me. There's a couple that I have 382 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:40.039 to tone because they are stubborn and hard headed. But 383 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:42.920 that's also what makes them a good bear dog. That's, 384 00:22:43.279 --> 00:22:46.559 you know, that determination that makes a good dog. But 385 00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:48.799 if I can get in where I can see them 386 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:52.880 or or talk to them, I can get In fact, 387 00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:55.119 this happened to us a couple of weeks ago, and 388 00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:58.680 that's exactly what I did. I started, I hate y'all, 389 00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:01.279 come here. I ever of them, and the last two 390 00:23:01.480 --> 00:23:03.079 I had to tone, which I knew I was gonna 391 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:05.319 have to tone her because that's what she always does. 392 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:08.680 But recall is them. That one of the main things, 393 00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:12.440 even in the police world, the narcotics dogs, they don't 394 00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:13.799 have to have a whole lot of handle on. They 395 00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:15.440 just need to get out of the car and they 396 00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:16.960 need to run a search pattern and they need to 397 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:19.279 get it back in a car. But the one thing 398 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:21.640 that they must have on them to recall what happens 399 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:23.400 if that lead slips and you're on the side of 400 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:25.279 an interstate a dog runs out in the middle of the road. 401 00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:27.319