Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson Junior Welcome Forward to the Jesse Jackson Juniorship
Speaker 1: on KBA off fifteen eighty, It is Freezing here in
Speaker 1: Chicago on Moving Mountain Day and jan Lunch Club So
Speaker 1: Greatful Weekly series Three Mountain Mondays includes Ernest Krim the Third,
Speaker 1: an Emmy nominated producer, public teacher, anti racist educator, hate
Speaker 1: crime victor who uses black historical narratives to empower and
Speaker 1: educate through a culturally equitable lens. Mister Krim is a
Speaker 1: South Side of Chicago native and University of Urbana Champaigne graduate,
Speaker 1: former high school history educator of twelve years who now
Speaker 1: also advocates for social justice issues and teaches black history
Speaker 1: to the world through social media, a platform that reaches
Speaker 1: roughly four million people each month as of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: As such, he has created content for companies such as HBO, Hulu, Disney, Paramount,
Speaker 1: The History Channel. Additionally, he is the CEO of Crim's
Speaker 1: Cultural Consulting LLC. An international speaker who's spoken at Harvard University,
Speaker 1: the University of Chicago, Microsoft, Colin Kaepernick's Know Your Rights Camp,
Speaker 1: and audiences in the United Kingdom in Canada, and author
Speaker 1: of two books and passionate about progressive educational causes. I'm
Speaker 1: particularly honored that Ernest krim Is are a very special
Speaker 1: guest and regular communicator and participant on Monday morning or
Speaker 1: Monday afternoons, if you will on the T Lunch Club.
Speaker 1: Hey Ernest, welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 2: Hey, what's up? My brother is good to be back here.
Speaker 2: Which has been so much going on? I know we
Speaker 2: got a lot to discuss.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know, why don't we pick up on some
Speaker 1: of the issues that you know are going on? Why
Speaker 1: don't we start there. I was looking at the news
Speaker 1: a few moments ago and found a GOP senator has
Speaker 1: now decided to buck the Trump administration. I received that
Speaker 1: text message from you earlier saying, hey, we need a
Speaker 1: deal with this. He says that Obamacare is putting America first.
Speaker 1: Earnest your thoughts.
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable, because it's unbelievable because the first thing that
Speaker 2: pops up in my mind because I was reading an
Speaker 2: article this morning. This was actually a white guy right
Speaker 2: outside of Nashville, and he was talking about how he
Speaker 2: had to essentially get rid of his healthcare because the
Speaker 2: premiums went up, and he and his wife lost a
Speaker 2: job in December, so they were kind of struggling and
Speaker 2: just essentially hoping that they didn't get sick and wouldn't
Speaker 2: need it because they couldn't afford the extra seventy dollars
Speaker 2: a month. Now, I'm not sure how they voted. I
Speaker 2: don't think that's important right now to the conversation. But
Speaker 2: we do know that Tennessee, of course, is a red state.
Speaker 2: But as I was reflecting on that, I couldn't help
Speaker 2: but think about a student I once had, maybe ten
Speaker 2: eleven some outy years ago, and I talked about this
Speaker 2: in my book, and this was a white kid from
Speaker 2: a surrounding town that was very conservative. He was the
Speaker 2: minority in the school in his racial group as well
Speaker 2: as his political ideology. And this kid was sixteen years
Speaker 2: old and he absolutely hated Obama and everything he stood for.
Speaker 2: He hated Obamacare, And as a good teacher, I would
Speaker 2: often engage him in conversations to.
Speaker 3: Try to like really pinpoint you know.
Speaker 2: I knew why he felt that way, right, but I
Speaker 2: wanted him to be able to pro proof and he
Speaker 2: never he never could.
Speaker 3: He never could. So when I think about where we
Speaker 3: are now in this country.
Speaker 2: I'm reflecting on I wonder where this young man is
Speaker 2: and I him being in a you know, lower middle
Speaker 2: class environment. I'm I'm assuming he made you know this,
Speaker 2: one percent of the population probably doesn't have to deal
Speaker 2: with this as a concern. And I'm thinking he's just
Speaker 2: like every other American and they we need health care.
Speaker 2: We need something that's affordable, not say Obamacare Act, the
Speaker 2: Affordable Care Act. And I think we're at a point
Speaker 2: now where so many people are being humbled to realize
Speaker 2: that this is actually what we should have been supporting
Speaker 2: the whole time. But the actions of ten years ago,
Speaker 2: my pot and bringing this up is has led to
Speaker 2: where we are right now, at a point where now
Speaker 2: we have some GOP senators and Congressmen saying, hey, you
Speaker 2: know what, we actually do need this, and we just
Speaker 2: have to hope that it's not too late.
Speaker 1: The article in Political says this GOP senator says reviving
Speaker 1: Obamacare subsidies would be putting America first. If the Senate
Speaker 1: is going to strike a deal to revive the a
Speaker 1: signature democratic policy, it will be in part because of
Speaker 1: an unlikely broker, a freshman Republican from the party's magawing.
Speaker 1: Senator Bernie Moreno of Ohio is on paper an odd
Speaker 1: fit in the core of about a dozen senators and
Speaker 1: talks to extend Obamacare credits that lapsed on January first.
Speaker 1: Most are well known by partisan deal makers, such as
Speaker 1: Republican Susan Collins and Democrat Jean Shaheen. Moreno, on the
Speaker 1: other hand, joined the Senate a year ago, and, as
Speaker 1: President Donald Trump annointed Low two, had just defeated longtime
Speaker 1: Democratic Senator Shared Brown with hardline attacks focused mainly on immigration.
Speaker 1: But he has a key asset, a close relationship with Trump,
Speaker 1: who will need to bless or at least tacitly accept
Speaker 1: any agreement to smooth its passage through Congress. I think
Speaker 1: the political reality, brother krem Of, it's an election year.
Speaker 1: People are calling their Members of Congress's office, their senator's
Speaker 1: office offices, their premiums are exploding through the roof, and well,
Speaker 1: many of these Republican senators and congressmen are going to
Speaker 1: have to come to Jesus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we have to hope that they stay there
Speaker 2: and metaphorically stay in the church. And we have to
Speaker 2: hope that if they don't, then people don't elect them again.
Speaker 2: With him being this bold, he might not be a
Speaker 2: return and senator.
Speaker 3: He might this.
Speaker 2: Six years might be it for him. But I hope
Speaker 2: that during that time, because he switched size of p
Speaker 2: I hope, during his time of realizing he needed to
Speaker 2: need to put America first as he is now, presumably
Speaker 2: that we actually get the change that we desire. Who
Speaker 2: would have thought that a black man who made his
Speaker 2: career in Chicago, when he became the president, you know,
Speaker 2: was actually putting Americans first and not the current president,
Speaker 2: who was a white guy who people would assume based
Speaker 2: on his background and talking points.
Speaker 3: Wow, amazing.
Speaker 1: A lot of people are feeling the heat right through
Speaker 1: this election year. I might add when we come forward
Speaker 1: on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty, we're going to turn our
Speaker 1: attention to the one year anniversary of the Haitian earthquake,
Speaker 1: where more than three hundred thousand Haitian people lost their lives,
Speaker 1: and we're going to deal with a little bit of
Speaker 1: that because this is the time that the United States
Speaker 1: Agency for International Development, which Trump dismantled, would be working
Speaker 1: its way to Haiti to provide goodwill to the people
Speaker 1: of that great country. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior more on
Speaker 1: KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty with Ernest Kram, jack Jason
Speaker 1: Show Ernest Krim a very special contributor on Mondays in
Speaker 1: the Classroom with mister Ernest. M Ernest looking forward to
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 3: Hey, what's up brother? Thanks again for having me.
Speaker 1: Always a pleasure brother. Listen. Sixteen years ago today, Haiti
Speaker 1: suffered one of the most devastating earthquakes in the history
Speaker 1: of our hemisphere, and it killed nearly three hundred thousand people.
Speaker 1: Haiti is still recovering from that quake.
Speaker 2: Mister Krim, you know, when I hear about this, it's
Speaker 2: hard to believe it's been that long.
Speaker 3: I recall actually being in my first.
Speaker 2: Year of teaching actually on the South side of Chicago,
Speaker 2: and I found out about this, and I think a
Speaker 2: lot of the question that a lot of my students had,
Speaker 2: of course during that time was why for what not
Speaker 2: about the earthquake, but why was there so much poverty there?
Speaker 2: And I was upset that I did not learn about
Speaker 2: the historical context of why was so impoverished and why
Speaker 2: they are still fighting to this day to repair their country.
Speaker 3: Many of many folks might not know.
Speaker 2: For one, they're also celebrating their independence day this month
Speaker 2: this month, which I think is very coincidental and also
Speaker 2: too When they gained independence after defeating France to becoming
Speaker 2: an independent state, defeating a global superpower and eradicating slavery
Speaker 2: from their country, they were punished for that. They were
Speaker 2: placed in debt, not just by France, but various other
Speaker 2: European colonial powers, including America, who refused to acknowledge that
Speaker 2: they were in fact independent. They didn't want that news
Speaker 2: to get to America because they knew that it would
Speaker 2: inspire other black folks to do something similar. So we
Speaker 2: have to always remember Haiti within that historical context because
Speaker 2: Haiti and what they did there also had an impact
Speaker 2: on what we would do fifty sixty some odd years later.
Speaker 2: They impacted the entire war world of African people in
Speaker 2: the diaspora and that small island on the of course,
Speaker 2: the western hemisphere of that island. When I reflect now,
Speaker 2: I think again within that context that Haiti cannot be
Speaker 2: repaired until these colonial powers repair them, provide them with
Speaker 2: reparations the way that they are deserving, and without that
Speaker 2: we cannot properly equip them of what they need to
Speaker 2: be doing moving forward. You also have to think about
Speaker 2: what Trump is doing right now with To me, it's
Speaker 2: a blatant attack not just on the island of the
Speaker 2: people who are there currently, but the people who are
Speaker 2: here presently, ending the TPS temporary protection status of all
Speaker 2: the Haitians who are here. And again we have to
Speaker 2: remember when we talk about what Ice is doing, we
Speaker 2: talk about immigrants. I know we are a small percentage
Speaker 2: of those folks, but there are black folks in the diaspora,
Speaker 2: including not just the continent of Africa, but in Haiti,
Speaker 2: folks who have come here for a better life and
Speaker 2: who have been contributing to this economy of ours who
Speaker 2: are being targeted by this president as well. So to me,
Speaker 2: it's all connected. The way we are treating Haitians who
Speaker 2: have come here for protection is the same way that
Speaker 2: we continue to mistreat Haitians on the island right now.
Speaker 3: You know, I find it.
Speaker 1: I find your point to be brilliant. The point that movements,
Speaker 1: for example, Haitian liberation impacted other movements around the world
Speaker 1: for liberation, just as our civil rights movement. Nelson Mandela
Speaker 1: when he emerged from prison in South Africa, said that
Speaker 1: he was inspired in his twenty seven year prison ordeal
Speaker 1: to fight for democracy within South Africa and that white
Speaker 1: Africaners could exist as a minority under a constitution, just
Speaker 1: like minorities have existed under the United States constitution. But
Speaker 1: to the point that no matter how small the country is,
Speaker 1: or even how small the liberation movement is, the idea
Speaker 1: of freedom and liberation actually extends and inspires other groups
Speaker 1: within other countries around the world, and Haiti is one
Speaker 1: of those, is one of those shining examples.
Speaker 2: Yeah, movements are magnetic, and when we come across information
Speaker 2: like that, you know, that's why knowledge is so powerful.
Speaker 2: When we talk about history, we're not talking about these
Speaker 2: old books. We're talking about stories that we can connect to.
Speaker 2: So if you were to come across this information, let's say,
Speaker 2: if you were privileged enough to be able to read
Speaker 2: in the eighteen hundreds as a black person on this
Speaker 2: land mask, then you would then compare that to your
Speaker 2: situation and say, well, what can we then do? Right,
Speaker 2: there's no coincidence that we had liberation movements around New
Speaker 2: Orleans at the time, rebellions that were quailled because they
Speaker 2: were inspired by that it's no coincidence that we had
Speaker 2: in that Turner and we had David Walker's book which
Speaker 2: was banned, or even thirty somebody years after that at
Speaker 2: Harriet beecher Stow, a white woman who spoke out against slavery,
Speaker 2: whose book was banned.
Speaker 3: Because when you read that information, you began.
Speaker 2: To say, well, if they did it, then why can't we,
Speaker 2: or if they went through that, that kind of sounds
Speaker 2: very similar. And the look, these lines from history are
Speaker 2: not a straight line. We're all over the place with this,
Speaker 2: but we cannot disconnect the fact that not only did
Speaker 2: they deal with that earthquake, but they are still struggling
Speaker 2: to repair with what happened with them being placed in
Speaker 2: debt for gaining freedom. That is the most ludicrous thing
Speaker 2: when you truly think about it. That's the equivalent. And
Speaker 2: we know what our ancestors had to deal with here
Speaker 2: with the debt slavery. We we replaced in the tenant
Speaker 2: farming and sharecropping. I mean, that's bad enough, but imagine
Speaker 2: being forced to pay, as a group of people in
Speaker 2: this country after the Civil War zillions of dollars to
Speaker 2: your government. That is how they've operated.
Speaker 3: All across the world.
Speaker 2: And that's why it claims for reparations here, which are
Speaker 2: old in demand, are also important because if something like
Speaker 2: that happens here, not just in a city, not just
Speaker 2: in a town, not just in a village, not just
Speaker 2: in a state, but across the country, then that inspires
Speaker 2: other people across the country, across the world. I'm sorry
Speaker 2: the same way we were inspired by that island, and
Speaker 2: for us to truly get the justice that we deserve here,
Speaker 2: we also have to support our brothers and sisters in Haiti,
Speaker 2: because if they don't get it there, then who's to
Speaker 2: say we can never get it here.
Speaker 1: What comes to mind is the name Francois Dominique Toucssaint
Speaker 1: Looverture Toussaint Loverture was a Haitian general and the most
Speaker 1: prominent leader of the Haitian Revolution. During his life's life,
Speaker 1: Loverture was first fought and allied with Spanish forces against
Speaker 1: Saint Dominique royalists, then joined with Republican France, becoming governor
Speaker 1: general for life of Sant Dominiqui, and lastly fought against
Speaker 1: Bonaparte's Republican troops. That's right, Tucsaint Loverture defeated Napoleon Bonaparte.
Speaker 1: As a revolutionary leader, Louverture displayed military and political acumen
Speaker 1: that helped transform the fledgling slave rebellion into a revolutionary movement.
Speaker 1: We ought to make the distinction earnest between a slave
Speaker 1: rebellion and a movement that continued after the rebellion, demanding
Speaker 1: total complete liberation of a people. Along with Jean Jacques Dessaline's,
Speaker 1: Loverture is known as one of the fathers of Haiti.
Speaker 1: I also understand. My mother often shares with me that
Speaker 1: it was the Haitians who joined the American Revolution on
Speaker 1: the side of the founding fathers of our republic in
Speaker 1: the effort to fight the British. Imagine that a black
Speaker 1: free country gave truths to the United States of America
Speaker 1: in order to continue the struggle for liberation, not just
Speaker 1: in Haiti, but throughout the United States. I'm amazing that
Speaker 1: at Haiti's most desperate need in their history, the United
Speaker 1: States of America, the wealthiest named nation in the history
Speaker 1: of the world, can't find can't find the time or
Speaker 1: the resources to help Haiti during this critical time.
Speaker 2: You know, we don't even have Chicago without a Haitian
Speaker 2: man as I've heard some people pronounce gene point duceable.
Speaker 3: We don't have this to exercise my broken French a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 2: We don't have what we know as Chicago, a man
Speaker 2: who Now, this is what I'm gonna give y'all for
Speaker 2: the folks that's listening across the country in LA and everything.
Speaker 2: I want you all to understand, because I know in
Speaker 2: La their history, you know, is often overshadowed as well.
Speaker 2: If you can imagine in Chicago there was only a
Speaker 2: small bust to commemorate the man who was the first
Speaker 2: permanent resident of this what became Chicago. Of course, outside
Speaker 2: of our indigenous brothers and sisters, you know, like a
Speaker 2: very small busy you have to go by the Chicago River.
Speaker 2: If y'all come visit, you'll see that in comparison to
Speaker 2: like we have George Washington, Christopher Columbus statues and stuff like,
Speaker 2: who have nothing to do with the land mass, right.
Speaker 2: And I think what to me is pivotal about it
Speaker 2: for us to understand is they know that if a
Speaker 2: group of black people are allowed to live freely without
Speaker 2: these systemic barriers, that it could for one, it leads
Speaker 2: to us creating what we've always wanted to create things
Speaker 2: like Black Wall Street, Brownsville in Chicago and places like that, right, Harlem,
Speaker 2: New York. Right, But it also inspires others to say,
Speaker 2: we can do that same thing. So it's also to
Speaker 2: me metaphorical that they would put that foot down and
Speaker 2: keep that foot on their necks so that the world
Speaker 2: could see. And the assumption without context. Right when I
Speaker 2: was in my first year teacher and I had to
Speaker 2: give my kids context that I had not even had yet,
Speaker 2: the assumption is Black people who are impoverished around the
Speaker 2: world are that way because they simply did not work
Speaker 2: hard enough.
Speaker 3: But that's because there's something wrong with them.
Speaker 2: When I speak to kids, and I should say audiences too,
Speaker 2: when I speak to educators, I bring up this question.
Speaker 2: I say, do you believe that the gaps we see
Speaker 2: in literacy and math is the result of our children,
Speaker 2: a result of their destiny, or a result of the
Speaker 2: design of the system. If you believe that it is
Speaker 2: the result of the destiny of our kids, then you
Speaker 2: believe inherently in anti blackness. And for us as a
Speaker 2: community too, we have to reflect on that. The poverty
Speaker 2: we see in Haiti, the poverty we see in some
Speaker 2: places in Africa.
Speaker 3: Is not a result of who we are.
Speaker 2: It's a result of a system that has practiced the
Speaker 2: most unheard of violence known to man globally in the
Speaker 2: past five hundred years.
Speaker 3: You know, I find it.
Speaker 1: I find it interesting because when you look at the chronology,
Speaker 1: the role that the Haitian Revolution plays, and it's a
Speaker 1: slave rebellion and then a revolutionary period inspires the American Revolution,
Speaker 1: But the Haitian Revolution also inspires Fidel Castro and Shee Gavera,
Speaker 1: which led to the Cuban Revolution and obviously the Cuban
Speaker 1: Missile Crisis, which also led to revolutionary movements in Venezuela,
Speaker 1: in Mexico, in Panama, in other parts of South America,
Speaker 1: largely inspired by the slave rebellion and then revolutionary movements
Speaker 1: to determine self determination and determine their own fate in
Speaker 1: South America. And I nom only have a couple of
Speaker 1: minutes before I come forward, but I think it's kind
Speaker 1: of fascinating, speaking of Venezuela, that Donald Trump and the
Speaker 1: oil companies are in a dispute right now over the
Speaker 1: kind of crude that comes out of Venezuela. Now, this
Speaker 1: crude is not like the kind that we see on
Speaker 1: the Beverly Hillbillies where Jed took a shotgun and blew
Speaker 1: a hole and is trying to shoot a rabbit and
Speaker 1: some bubbling crude came out. Venezuelan crude is thicker than
Speaker 1: Murray's grease. Some of you all still use Murray's hair grease.
Speaker 1: Know exactly how thick it is, and it requires additional refinement.
Speaker 1: First of all, you got to get it out of
Speaker 1: the earth, which isn't just like bubbling crew that comes
Speaker 1: up through a drill and a pipe and then is
Speaker 1: loaded on a tanker or into a refinery and then
Speaker 1: onto a tanker. This stuff is so thick it's like asphalt.
Speaker 1: And so all the oil companies are now saying, you
Speaker 1: know what, we appreciate what you've done, mister Trump, which
Speaker 1: they shouldn't appreciate trying to steal these people's oil. It
Speaker 1: turns out to be so thick and so costly to
Speaker 1: refine that the oil companies are saying that we don't
Speaker 1: want it. How about that?
Speaker 3: I think is very symbolic.
Speaker 2: They're profound because I think it it begs the question,
Speaker 2: all of that for what? And I think that's that's
Speaker 2: the question we have to ask about this whole thing.
Speaker 2: You did all of this for what you're gonna suffer too.
Speaker 1: You know, the same government that Maduro, that they took
Speaker 1: Maduro from, is still running the country of Venezuela. Ideologically,
Speaker 1: it's the same party, it's the same underlings of Maduro
Speaker 1: still running the country. Because they have a revolutionary spirit
Speaker 1: that is against being occupied or colonialized by any foreign power.
Speaker 1: And they got that from the Haitians and the Jamaicans
Speaker 1: and the Cubans and others who insisted upon the liberation
Speaker 1: and freedom of their people. They got that spirit in
Speaker 1: the latter half of the twentieth century from the freedom
Speaker 1: movement here in the United States, just as Mandela got
Speaker 1: the same freedom movement and spirit from the United States
Speaker 1: during his twenty seven year period of incarceration.
Speaker 2: For the crim movements are magnetic, and that entire Latin
Speaker 2: American hemisphere is still bubbling, you know, like they our people.
Speaker 2: Oppressed people cannot be stopped for long, you know, you can.
Speaker 2: You cannot remove somebody and think that that is not
Speaker 2: going to impact the way they.
Speaker 3: View your country. It's an attempt to show strength, but
Speaker 3: it's really an obvious display of weakness.
Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. Listening to the Jesse Jackson Junior
Speaker 1: Show on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. You're listening to the
Speaker 1: Jay Lunch Club Moving Mountain. Monday's our first hour, mister
Speaker 1: Crim's classroom more. Will we come forward? On KBLA Talk
Speaker 1: fifteen to eighty. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. Welcome forward to
Speaker 1: the classroom with Ernest krim On, Moving Mountain, Mondays and
Speaker 1: the Jay Lunch Club. Ernest to welcome forward to mister
Speaker 1: Crim's classroom.
Speaker 3: Hey, what's up, brother? Thanks again for having me.
Speaker 1: Her name Ernest is Lisa Dannelle Cook born in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty four an American economist who was sworn in as
Speaker 1: a member of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. She is the first black woman to
Speaker 1: sit on the board. Before her appointment to the Federal
Speaker 1: Reserve Board, she was elected in January of twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two to the Board of Directors of the Federal Reserve
Speaker 1: Bank of Chicago. Donald Trump has done everything in his
Speaker 1: power to get rid of her, but the breaking news
Speaker 1: in the country is that because he cannot control Fed
Speaker 1: Reserve Board Chairman Jerome Powell. The President and the Department
Speaker 1: of Justice has now authorized. I believe there is a
Speaker 1: sitting grand jury to look into the construction of the
Speaker 1: Federal Reserve building, and their target is now the Federal
Speaker 1: Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell. I'm convinced that America will never
Speaker 1: be the same again. All of the cultural norms, all
Speaker 1: of the legal norms have been broken. Ernest the consequences
Speaker 1: of the President of the United States being able to
Speaker 1: dictate interest rates with world for the United States and
Speaker 1: world financial systems is nothing short of extraordinary.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that what first thing we should extract from
Speaker 2: this is, for one, you have to understand that coming
Speaker 2: from any of our circumstances, whether we are black Americans
Speaker 2: historically of folks who have come in from a different country,
Speaker 2: we have had to overcome insurmountable eyes and get to
Speaker 2: that point. So she is exceptional, but she would be
Speaker 2: shown as if she was simply a dei higher, which
Speaker 2: we know that is incorrect and fallacious. The second thing
Speaker 2: I give from that too is we have to remember
Speaker 2: and understand that those who operate under this mindset and
Speaker 2: belief of white supremacy. We know that is an ideology
Speaker 2: of belief, is not something you're born with. They would
Speaker 2: be willing to sacrifice, and we were saying in real time,
Speaker 2: so this shouldn't be a surprise, but I want us
Speaker 2: to really see this and understand what's happening is they
Speaker 2: would be willing to sacrifice the country, the republic, so
Speaker 2: that we could not have all We couldn't all have
Speaker 2: equitable access to the things that we need and desire
Speaker 2: and should have in this country. The Federal Reserve controls
Speaker 2: our interest rates, They can influence inflation, right, we're talking
Speaker 2: they can just shape our employment conditions. We're talking about
Speaker 2: an impact on housing, student loans, small businesses, credit cards,
Speaker 2: make credit cards right, how we acquire wealth as a whole.
Speaker 2: As long as he's good, which again that's really a
Speaker 2: misnomer that in the long run he won't be, But
Speaker 2: as long as he appears to be good financially, he
Speaker 2: could care less about the rest of us.
Speaker 3: And again, now that we're talking about going back to
Speaker 3: what we first discussed with some of the GOP coming
Speaker 3: on board and saying, yo, we need to actually keep
Speaker 3: this healthcare, we have to all be wondering is it
Speaker 3: too little, too late, Because the vast majority of people
Speaker 3: who will be impacted numerically will be white folks, and
Speaker 3: we know a majority of them voted for this right here.
Speaker 2: We know he shouldn't be allowed to do that, but
Speaker 2: he doesn't care. He's gonna find he acts first and
Speaker 2: validates it later, and he's gonna find someone in a
Speaker 2: position of power that's completely fine with it, unfortunately, most
Speaker 2: often in Supreme Court.
Speaker 1: I find it fascinating also in terms of breaking the
Speaker 1: historical norms that just last week before the government issued
Speaker 1: an official labor report that of course impacts the stock market,
Speaker 1: consumer confidence, how people feel about the economy, he tweeted
Speaker 1: the numbers on his personal account before the government released
Speaker 1: the numbers, which of course on fat Met Friday's Gina
Speaker 1: Towns suggested this is some kind of insider trading scheme
Speaker 1: and Bishop Toulton, who has an MBA from Vassar College.
Speaker 1: Bishop Tulton was really clear, follow the money. Look at
Speaker 1: the members of Congress, members of the Senate, and members
Speaker 1: of the administration who made trades either before or after
Speaker 1: the President's announcements before the official statistics were released by
Speaker 1: the government. Ernest your thoughts on having powerful and important
Speaker 1: friends in high places.
Speaker 3: It amazes me.
Speaker 2: You know, somebody while we were going break, I was
Speaker 2: watching a video on TikTok and somebody said this educated
Speaker 2: was like, you know, how disturbing it is that the
Speaker 2: new cycle has mostly moved on to what happened to Maduro.
Speaker 2: And it's not like there isn't a justifiable reason why,
Speaker 2: because there's just so much happening. But like, you know,
Speaker 2: twenty thirty years ago, we would have sat with something
Speaker 2: for an entire I say that to say it is
Speaker 2: unbelievable the amount and the degree to which they keep
Speaker 2: us on this hamster whel with so much information and
Speaker 2: it does all matter. But by the time you pay
Speaker 2: attention to something like this, they're on to the next thing.
Speaker 2: And having that access to power makes it that much
Speaker 2: more pivotal to us. And when I see these tweets
Speaker 2: or whatever it is, I think it's on a true
Speaker 2: social app or whatever.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: What also is disturbing to me is the fact that
Speaker 2: I understand and know, especially if you know how like
Speaker 2: politicians operating stuff, they don't most often even manage their
Speaker 2: social media accounts.
Speaker 3: This stuff goes through filters.
Speaker 2: There are people who, like he might say, he wants
Speaker 2: to post it, it's not a good idea if the
Speaker 2: team still doesn't, or sometimes, which is even more alarming,
Speaker 2: it's probably their idea too, to go along with something
Speaker 2: like this case. It really is an inside job. They're
Speaker 2: all colluding to aggregate what they presume to be powered.
Speaker 2: Well again, just you know, I'm reminded oftentimes when I
Speaker 2: see things like, you know, the climate issues in la
Speaker 2: or how in Chicago on a random January sixty degrees,
Speaker 2: Like the climate don't lie like that.
Speaker 3: Type of stuff.
Speaker 2: That's my metaphor for like, this stuff is gonna impact
Speaker 2: us off and it's.
Speaker 3: Only so much you can do to avoid it.
Speaker 1: While the news cycle has moved on from the capture
Speaker 1: of Maduro, it has not moved on in Chicago from
Speaker 1: the Bears versus the Packers. Rightfully, so this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a long cycle. My brother, turn your thoughts another.
Speaker 1: We have just about one minute two minutes before we
Speaker 1: come forward. Are you shifting? Are you sensing any shifting
Speaker 1: in terms of voter enthusiasm for the mid term elections?
Speaker 2: I am, I'm sensing the ship. But here's again what
Speaker 2: worries me just Like I said about the news cycle,
Speaker 2: it could last for a day, it could last for
Speaker 2: a couple months.
Speaker 3: Right, we need to in some ways, we need to keep.
Speaker 2: Track of all of the stories that are triggering Americans
Speaker 2: to come to their senses. Right, And not because we
Speaker 2: want to trigger people, but because we know, Okay, this
Speaker 2: is what has resonated with folks, that has already been
Speaker 2: impacting us, but now on a high degree, and we
Speaker 2: need to say, once it's election season, we have to
Speaker 2: go revisit them. They're As an educator, what I hate
Speaker 2: too is understanding that because I would often be preparing
Speaker 2: for final exams, I gotta go back The final exam
Speaker 2: is December. I might have to go back to October.
Speaker 2: Kids forgot it, but that's still important to what you
Speaker 2: understand in December. So by the time it's election season
Speaker 2: October November, we gotta go back to what's happening right
Speaker 2: now and say, don't forget this happened. Don't forget this happened.
Speaker 2: We got to I don't want to keep talking to
Speaker 2: people in Democrat, Republican, liberal, conservative. I know we do
Speaker 2: that naturally, but we're talking Look, humanity, people, everybody, this
Speaker 2: is what's happening to you in this moment. He don't
Speaker 2: discriminate against who he discriminates against and poor wife. Folks,
Speaker 2: y'all are feeling it more than anybody because of your numbers.
Speaker 2: Will you wake up?
Speaker 1: Finally, we have not much time before we come forward,
Speaker 1: but I do want to comment on this and I
Speaker 1: find it interesting. Maybe we'll talk about it in the
Speaker 1: next segment. That Bill Gates has now said that he
Speaker 1: has set a time limit on when the United States
Speaker 1: and the world will enter into a new dark age.
Speaker 1: The definition of what Bill Gates means by a dark
Speaker 1: age could certainly take us back to the dark ages
Speaker 1: on the prehistory before the United States, very very difficult
Speaker 1: times and periods for the idea of civilization. But I
Speaker 1: think it's it's a cautionary tale. More when we come
Speaker 1: forward on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty, my very special
Speaker 1: guest and regular contributor, mister Ernest Krim Mister Crim's Classroom
Speaker 1: on Wealthy Wednesdays on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. You're
Speaker 1: listening to the j Lunch Club. More on KBLA Talk
Speaker 1: fifteen to eighty. When we come forward, Jackson Junior, Welcome
Speaker 1: forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show and the j
Speaker 1: Lunch Club. Ernest Crim's Classroom on Moving Mountain Mondays, Ernest,
Speaker 1: welcome forward to the show.
Speaker 3: Hey, what's up brother, Good to be back with you.
Speaker 1: Hey. As much as I want to pick up on
Speaker 1: what we ended on in the last segment, I do
Speaker 1: want to raise this question because you're such a brilliant historian.
Speaker 1: As you know, we did earn some civil rights protections
Speaker 1: coming out of slavery in first reconstruction. The first civil
Speaker 1: Rights Acts of the United States were offered during a
Speaker 1: number of those legislative sessions and produced some minimal progress
Speaker 1: for the freedmen. And then from Rown versus the Board
Speaker 1: of Education to the present, we've issued an offer many
Speaker 1: many civil rights acts, the nineteen sixty four Civil Rights
Speaker 1: Act being chief amongst them. But the Americans with Disabilities
Speaker 1: Act is a civil rights act. Protections for the LGBTQ
Speaker 1: community are civil rights act. Extending protections for women is
Speaker 1: a form of civil rights.
Speaker 3: Roe v.
Speaker 1: Wade is an extension of the idea of civil rights
Speaker 1: women having the right to make decisions about their own bodies.
Speaker 1: So the forms and the ways in which civil rights
Speaker 1: have presented themselves have presented themselves not just for blacks
Speaker 1: who had denied access to buses, lunch counters, water fountains,
Speaker 1: and classrooms, but civil rights has really transformed the idea
Speaker 1: of democracy itself. Here's what Donald Trump says recently. Trump says,
Speaker 1: civil rights led to white people being treated very badly.
Speaker 1: Ernest help us with this.
Speaker 3: I need like a five second buffer.
Speaker 2: But it's not funny, because it's really it impacts us, right,
Speaker 2: because at one point in time this was just commentary
Speaker 2: from a rich guy from New York, right, But now
Speaker 2: it has political, socio economic consequences. I just it's what
Speaker 2: hurts me again as a former classroom teacher, is he
Speaker 2: speaks at a level that is so easily digestible that
Speaker 2: if you are emotional, you connect with it without any
Speaker 2: critical thinking. Because if you are a white person who
Speaker 2: has never been exposed to the black community, you went
Speaker 2: to your like little segregated school in the middle of
Speaker 2: Kentucky somewhere, or maybe in West Virginian Appalachian area, and
Speaker 2: you think that we're the problem, and you hear that, you're.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, that's it's not fair because.
Speaker 2: We'll no, no, And I know I'm not saying white
Speaker 2: folks have a dealt with poverty. We know the class
Speaker 2: issues in this country, But what he's alluded to with
Speaker 2: that is white people deserve to have racial privileges. And
Speaker 2: when I say privileges, I mean economic benefits as a
Speaker 2: result of violence, systemic violence, physical violence, psychological violence. These
Speaker 2: are I don't even know if we can call them
Speaker 2: dog whistles anymore, man, don't. I don't know what these are. Like.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's a it's a it's a I mean,
Speaker 2: this is over the intercom for everybody to hear. It's
Speaker 2: no longer dog dog whistle. It's a referee whistle. And
Speaker 2: if you don't again, So I said this recently when
Speaker 2: I was talking to a group of kids. After revolts happened,
Speaker 2: particularly in seventeen thirty nine with the Stone and Rebellion,
Speaker 2: they would ban a variety of things. Black folks couldn't
Speaker 2: meet in person together without permission. And you know, but
Speaker 2: I also wanted to pinpoint the fact that they also
Speaker 2: they would ban fire arms. Yeah, but they would also
Speaker 2: again ban knowledge, right, and think about that being on
Speaker 2: the same level.
Speaker 3: To most people, they would assume, oh, well, no, that
Speaker 3: weapon is more valuable, But why would they repeatedly in
Speaker 3: every generation, not just back then, not just seventeen thirty nine,
Speaker 3: but twenty twenty six, still seek to ban that same thing,
Speaker 3: not just for us black folks, but for everybody else.
Speaker 3: So you don't have historical context to call out that foolishness.
Speaker 3: The fact that white folks have had.
Speaker 2: All of these social benefits forever, court forever is the
Speaker 2: reason why a mediocre white guy like him could become
Speaker 2: the leader of this country and put us in a
Speaker 2: dangerous position like this.
Speaker 1: You're preaching, no, brother, Hey, let me throw this out
Speaker 1: at you. There has been no history since the inception
Speaker 1: of the United States that white men or white people
Speaker 1: have been discriminated against. There is no history that their
Speaker 1: civil rights have ever been violent. They's just no history
Speaker 1: of that. And I find it particularly puzzling that the
Speaker 1: President of the United States is now and the Department
Speaker 1: of Justice is willing to bring lawsuits civil lawsuits for
Speaker 1: white men who can claim that they've been discriminated against
Speaker 1: by these laws. And that, my friends, really really does
Speaker 1: turn the idea of the American experiment on its head.
Speaker 3: Ernest, before we.
Speaker 1: Get to your word of hope, share with our listeners
Speaker 1: a little bit about your books and share with us
Speaker 1: how we can stay in touch with you on your
Speaker 1: various various social media handles.
Speaker 2: Definitely so. My most recent book is How Black History
Speaker 2: Can Save Your Life. It is essentially the second edition
Speaker 2: of Black History Saved My Life. It's going to give
Speaker 2: you practical tools, so how to use our history in
Speaker 2: a proactive way. Told from a first person narrative of
Speaker 2: how I discovered who I was after dealing with the
Speaker 2: hate crime and various other issues of racism from the
Speaker 2: time I was in first grade to the present day.
Speaker 2: The book was re released last year, and I can
Speaker 2: promise you with everything we're dealing with now, if it's
Speaker 2: not explicitly connected to what we're talking about now, there
Speaker 2: are some indirect connections because these things happen in cycles.
Speaker 2: And in the effort to be able to give these
Speaker 2: lessons to our children, I wrote a book called The
Speaker 2: Abcason Affirming Black Children. You'll find out one of the
Speaker 2: most prominent parts of the first part of my book
Speaker 2: is the way I was affirmed. We have to affirm
Speaker 2: black children, especially with the sense of somebody this and worthiness,
Speaker 2: so that they can realize they are the solution to
Speaker 2: the problems we face in this world today.
Speaker 3: You all can.
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Speaker 1: I'm still here, Ernest, about a minute and forty five
Speaker 1: seconds forward of Hope.
Speaker 2: I think the thing I'll take away from our conversation
Speaker 2: today is movements are magnetic, so we have to continue
Speaker 2: to study, especially with Doctor King's holiday coming up every year.
Speaker 2: When we get around this day, I like to reread
Speaker 2: a lot of his works and his speeches, and I'm
Speaker 2: always inspired, but I'm also perturbed because I feel like
Speaker 2: the more the years pass by and I read the
Speaker 2: more I realize how much we have not realized, not
Speaker 2: just his dream.
Speaker 3: But just the practicality of it all.
Speaker 2: Read, Read, read, and find a way to apply it,
Speaker 2: because movements and books and those thoughts are magnetic.
Speaker 1: I've been listening to and reading over and over and
Speaker 1: over again Martin Luther King Junior's speech on April fourth,
Speaker 1: I think it was April fourth, nineteen sixty seven, from
Speaker 1: the Riverside Church. Those of you who can hear my voice,
Speaker 1: it's called be Beyond Vietnam. Beyond Vietnam. Later this week
Speaker 1: I will share with you the subject matter that I
Speaker 1: will be addressing at a number of events for Martin
Speaker 1: Luther King Junior's birthday, and I look forward to sharing
Speaker 1: it right here on KBLA as soon as my thoughts
Speaker 1: are completed and prepared. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior listening to
Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson Junior show Ernest, thanks for being on the
Speaker 1: program today.
Speaker 3: Thanks again for having me, brother. Look forward to next
Speaker 3: week coming up next.
Speaker 1: Reverend Doctor Terry hord Owens the President and General Minister
Speaker 1: of the United Disciples of Christ Church. She is our
Speaker 1: regular contributor. She is the General Minister and President of
Speaker 1: a multi racial denomination, a rarity in the United States.
Speaker 1: She's our very special regular contributor on Moving Mountain. Mondays
Speaker 1: more when we Come Forward on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty