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Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson Junior Welcome Forward to the Jesse Jackson Juniorship

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on KBA off fifteen eighty, It is Freezing here in

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Chicago on Moving Mountain Day and jan Lunch Club So

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Greatful Weekly series Three Mountain Mondays includes Ernest Krim the Third,

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an Emmy nominated producer, public teacher, anti racist educator, hate

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crime victor who uses black historical narratives to empower and

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educate through a culturally equitable lens. Mister Krim is a

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South Side of Chicago native and University of Urbana Champaigne graduate,

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former high school history educator of twelve years who now

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also advocates for social justice issues and teaches black history

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to the world through social media, a platform that reaches

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roughly four million people each month as of twenty twenty four.

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As such, he has created content for companies such as HBO, Hulu, Disney, Paramount,

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The History Channel. Additionally, he is the CEO of Crim's

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Cultural Consulting LLC. An international speaker who's spoken at Harvard University,

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the University of Chicago, Microsoft, Colin Kaepernick's Know Your Rights Camp,

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and audiences in the United Kingdom in Canada, and author

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of two books and passionate about progressive educational causes. I'm

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particularly honored that Ernest krim Is are a very special

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guest and regular communicator and participant on Monday morning or

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Monday afternoons, if you will on the T Lunch Club.

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Hey Ernest, welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what's up? My brother is good to be back here.

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Which has been so much going on? I know we

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got a lot to discuss.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you know, why don't we pick up on some

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of the issues that you know are going on? Why

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don't we start there. I was looking at the news

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a few moments ago and found a GOP senator has

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now decided to buck the Trump administration. I received that

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text message from you earlier saying, hey, we need a

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deal with this. He says that Obamacare is putting America first.

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Earnest your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable, because it's unbelievable because the first thing that

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pops up in my mind because I was reading an

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article this morning. This was actually a white guy right

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outside of Nashville, and he was talking about how he

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had to essentially get rid of his healthcare because the

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premiums went up, and he and his wife lost a

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job in December, so they were kind of struggling and

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just essentially hoping that they didn't get sick and wouldn't

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need it because they couldn't afford the extra seventy dollars

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a month. Now, I'm not sure how they voted. I

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don't think that's important right now to the conversation. But

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we do know that Tennessee, of course, is a red state.

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But as I was reflecting on that, I couldn't help

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but think about a student I once had, maybe ten

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eleven some outy years ago, and I talked about this

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in my book, and this was a white kid from

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a surrounding town that was very conservative. He was the

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minority in the school in his racial group as well

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as his political ideology. And this kid was sixteen years

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old and he absolutely hated Obama and everything he stood for.

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He hated Obamacare, And as a good teacher, I would

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often engage him in conversations to.

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Speaker 3: Try to like really pinpoint you know.

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Speaker 2: I knew why he felt that way, right, but I

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wanted him to be able to pro proof and he

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never he never could.

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Speaker 3: He never could. So when I think about where we

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are now in this country.

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Speaker 2: I'm reflecting on I wonder where this young man is

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and I him being in a you know, lower middle

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class environment. I'm I'm assuming he made you know this,

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one percent of the population probably doesn't have to deal

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with this as a concern. And I'm thinking he's just

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like every other American and they we need health care.

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We need something that's affordable, not say Obamacare Act, the

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Affordable Care Act. And I think we're at a point

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now where so many people are being humbled to realize

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that this is actually what we should have been supporting

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the whole time. But the actions of ten years ago,

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my pot and bringing this up is has led to

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where we are right now, at a point where now

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we have some GOP senators and Congressmen saying, hey, you

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know what, we actually do need this, and we just

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have to hope that it's not too late.

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Speaker 1: The article in Political says this GOP senator says reviving

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Obamacare subsidies would be putting America first. If the Senate

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is going to strike a deal to revive the a

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signature democratic policy, it will be in part because of

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an unlikely broker, a freshman Republican from the party's magawing.

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Senator Bernie Moreno of Ohio is on paper an odd

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fit in the core of about a dozen senators and

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talks to extend Obamacare credits that lapsed on January first.

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Most are well known by partisan deal makers, such as

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Republican Susan Collins and Democrat Jean Shaheen. Moreno, on the

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other hand, joined the Senate a year ago, and, as

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President Donald Trump annointed Low two, had just defeated longtime

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Democratic Senator Shared Brown with hardline attacks focused mainly on immigration.

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But he has a key asset, a close relationship with Trump,

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who will need to bless or at least tacitly accept

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any agreement to smooth its passage through Congress. I think

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the political reality, brother krem Of, it's an election year.

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People are calling their Members of Congress's office, their senator's

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office offices, their premiums are exploding through the roof, and well,

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many of these Republican senators and congressmen are going to

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have to come to Jesus.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And we have to hope that they stay there

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and metaphorically stay in the church. And we have to

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hope that if they don't, then people don't elect them again.

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With him being this bold, he might not be a

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return and senator.

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Speaker 3: He might this.

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Speaker 2: Six years might be it for him. But I hope

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that during that time, because he switched size of p

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I hope, during his time of realizing he needed to

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need to put America first as he is now, presumably

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that we actually get the change that we desire. Who

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would have thought that a black man who made his

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career in Chicago, when he became the president, you know,

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was actually putting Americans first and not the current president,

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who was a white guy who people would assume based

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on his background and talking points.

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Speaker 3: Wow, amazing.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people are feeling the heat right through

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this election year. I might add when we come forward

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on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty, we're going to turn our

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attention to the one year anniversary of the Haitian earthquake,

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where more than three hundred thousand Haitian people lost their lives,

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and we're going to deal with a little bit of

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that because this is the time that the United States

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Agency for International Development, which Trump dismantled, would be working

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its way to Haiti to provide goodwill to the people

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of that great country. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior more on

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KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty with Ernest Kram, jack Jason

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Show Ernest Krim a very special contributor on Mondays in

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the Classroom with mister Ernest. M Ernest looking forward to

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Speaker 3: Hey, what's up brother? Thanks again for having me.

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Speaker 1: Always a pleasure brother. Listen. Sixteen years ago today, Haiti

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suffered one of the most devastating earthquakes in the history

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of our hemisphere, and it killed nearly three hundred thousand people.

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Haiti is still recovering from that quake.

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Speaker 2: Mister Krim, you know, when I hear about this, it's

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hard to believe it's been that long.

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Speaker 3: I recall actually being in my first.

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Speaker 2: Year of teaching actually on the South side of Chicago,

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and I found out about this, and I think a

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lot of the question that a lot of my students had,

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of course during that time was why for what not

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about the earthquake, but why was there so much poverty there?

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And I was upset that I did not learn about

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the historical context of why was so impoverished and why

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they are still fighting to this day to repair their country.

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Speaker 3: Many of many folks might not know.

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Speaker 2: For one, they're also celebrating their independence day this month

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this month, which I think is very coincidental and also

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too When they gained independence after defeating France to becoming

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an independent state, defeating a global superpower and eradicating slavery

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from their country, they were punished for that. They were

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placed in debt, not just by France, but various other

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European colonial powers, including America, who refused to acknowledge that

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they were in fact independent. They didn't want that news

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to get to America because they knew that it would

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inspire other black folks to do something similar. So we

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have to always remember Haiti within that historical context because

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Haiti and what they did there also had an impact

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on what we would do fifty sixty some odd years later.

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They impacted the entire war world of African people in

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the diaspora and that small island on the of course,

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the western hemisphere of that island. When I reflect now,

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I think again within that context that Haiti cannot be

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repaired until these colonial powers repair them, provide them with

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reparations the way that they are deserving, and without that

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we cannot properly equip them of what they need to

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be doing moving forward. You also have to think about

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what Trump is doing right now with To me, it's

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a blatant attack not just on the island of the

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people who are there currently, but the people who are

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here presently, ending the TPS temporary protection status of all

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the Haitians who are here. And again we have to

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remember when we talk about what Ice is doing, we

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talk about immigrants. I know we are a small percentage

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of those folks, but there are black folks in the diaspora,

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including not just the continent of Africa, but in Haiti,

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folks who have come here for a better life and

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who have been contributing to this economy of ours who

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are being targeted by this president as well. So to me,

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it's all connected. The way we are treating Haitians who

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have come here for protection is the same way that

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we continue to mistreat Haitians on the island right now.

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Speaker 3: You know, I find it.

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Speaker 1: I find your point to be brilliant. The point that movements,

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for example, Haitian liberation impacted other movements around the world

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for liberation, just as our civil rights movement. Nelson Mandela

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when he emerged from prison in South Africa, said that

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he was inspired in his twenty seven year prison ordeal

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to fight for democracy within South Africa and that white

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Africaners could exist as a minority under a constitution, just

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like minorities have existed under the United States constitution. But

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to the point that no matter how small the country is,

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or even how small the liberation movement is, the idea

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of freedom and liberation actually extends and inspires other groups

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within other countries around the world, and Haiti is one

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of those, is one of those shining examples.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, movements are magnetic, and when we come across information

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like that, you know, that's why knowledge is so powerful.

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old books. We're talking about stories that we can connect to.

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if you were privileged enough to be able to read

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in the eighteen hundreds as a black person on this

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land mask, then you would then compare that to your

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situation and say, well, what can we then do? Right,

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there's no coincidence that we had liberation movements around New

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Orleans at the time, rebellions that were quailled because they

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were inspired by that it's no coincidence that we had

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in that Turner and we had David Walker's book which

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was banned, or even thirty somebody years after that at

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Harriet beecher Stow, a white woman who spoke out against slavery,

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whose book was banned.

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Speaker 3: Because when you read that information, you began.

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Speaker 2: To say, well, if they did it, then why can't we,

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or if they went through that, that kind of sounds

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very similar. And the look, these lines from history are

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not a straight line. We're all over the place with this,

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but we cannot disconnect the fact that not only did

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they deal with that earthquake, but they are still struggling

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to repair with what happened with them being placed in

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debt for gaining freedom. That is the most ludicrous thing

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when you truly think about it. That's the equivalent. And

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we know what our ancestors had to deal with here

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with the debt slavery. We we replaced in the tenant

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farming and sharecropping. I mean, that's bad enough, but imagine

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being forced to pay, as a group of people in

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this country after the Civil War zillions of dollars to

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your government. That is how they've operated.

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Speaker 3: All across the world.

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Speaker 2: And that's why it claims for reparations here, which are

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in a town, not just in a village, not just

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in a state, but across the country, then that inspires

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other people across the country, across the world. I'm sorry

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the same way we were inspired by that island, and

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for us to truly get the justice that we deserve here,

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we also have to support our brothers and sisters in Haiti,

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because if they don't get it there, then who's to

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say we can never get it here.

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Speaker 1: What comes to mind is the name Francois Dominique Toucssaint

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Looverture Toussaint Loverture was a Haitian general and the most

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prominent leader of the Haitian Revolution. During his life's life,

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Loverture was first fought and allied with Spanish forces against

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Saint Dominique royalists, then joined with Republican France, becoming governor

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general for life of Sant Dominiqui, and lastly fought against

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Bonaparte's Republican troops. That's right, Tucsaint Loverture defeated Napoleon Bonaparte.

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As a revolutionary leader, Louverture displayed military and political acumen

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that helped transform the fledgling slave rebellion into a revolutionary movement.

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We ought to make the distinction earnest between a slave

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rebellion and a movement that continued after the rebellion, demanding

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total complete liberation of a people. Along with Jean Jacques Dessaline's,

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Loverture is known as one of the fathers of Haiti.

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I also understand. My mother often shares with me that

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it was the Haitians who joined the American Revolution on

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the side of the founding fathers of our republic in

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the effort to fight the British. Imagine that a black

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free country gave truths to the United States of America

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in order to continue the struggle for liberation, not just

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in Haiti, but throughout the United States. I'm amazing that

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at Haiti's most desperate need in their history, the United

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States of America, the wealthiest named nation in the history

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of the world, can't find can't find the time or

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the resources to help Haiti during this critical time.

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Speaker 2: You know, we don't even have Chicago without a Haitian

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man as I've heard some people pronounce gene point duceable.

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Speaker 3: We don't have this to exercise my broken French a

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little bit.

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Speaker 2: We don't have what we know as Chicago, a man

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who Now, this is what I'm gonna give y'all for

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the folks that's listening across the country in LA and everything.

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I want you all to understand, because I know in

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La their history, you know, is often overshadowed as well.

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If you can imagine in Chicago there was only a

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small bust to commemorate the man who was the first

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permanent resident of this what became Chicago. Of course, outside

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of our indigenous brothers and sisters, you know, like a

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very small busy you have to go by the Chicago River.

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like we have George Washington, Christopher Columbus statues and stuff like,

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who have nothing to do with the land mass, right.

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And I think what to me is pivotal about it

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for us to understand is they know that if a

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group of black people are allowed to live freely without

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these systemic barriers, that it could for one, it leads

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to us creating what we've always wanted to create things

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like Black Wall Street, Brownsville in Chicago and places like that, right, Harlem,

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New York. Right, But it also inspires others to say,

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we can do that same thing. So it's also to

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me metaphorical that they would put that foot down and

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keep that foot on their necks so that the world

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could see. And the assumption without context. Right when I

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was in my first year teacher and I had to

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give my kids context that I had not even had yet,

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the assumption is Black people who are impoverished around the

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world are that way because they simply did not work

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hard enough.

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Speaker 3: But that's because there's something wrong with them.

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Speaker 2: When I speak to kids, and I should say audiences too,

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when I speak to educators, I bring up this question.

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I say, do you believe that the gaps we see

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in literacy and math is the result of our children,

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a result of their destiny, or a result of the

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design of the system. If you believe that it is

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the result of the destiny of our kids, then you

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believe inherently in anti blackness. And for us as a

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community too, we have to reflect on that. The poverty

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we see in Haiti, the poverty we see in some

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places in Africa.

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Speaker 3: Is not a result of who we are.

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Speaker 2: It's a result of a system that has practiced the

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most unheard of violence known to man globally in the

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past five hundred years.

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Speaker 3: You know, I find it.

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Speaker 1: I find it interesting because when you look at the chronology,

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the role that the Haitian Revolution plays, and it's a

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slave rebellion and then a revolutionary period inspires the American Revolution,

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But the Haitian Revolution also inspires Fidel Castro and Shee Gavera,

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which led to the Cuban Revolution and obviously the Cuban

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Missile Crisis, which also led to revolutionary movements in Venezuela,

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in Mexico, in Panama, in other parts of South America,

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largely inspired by the slave rebellion and then revolutionary movements

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to determine self determination and determine their own fate in

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South America. And I nom only have a couple of

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minutes before I come forward, but I think it's kind

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of fascinating, speaking of Venezuela, that Donald Trump and the

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oil companies are in a dispute right now over the

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kind of crude that comes out of Venezuela. Now, this

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crude is not like the kind that we see on

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the Beverly Hillbillies where Jed took a shotgun and blew

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a hole and is trying to shoot a rabbit and

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some bubbling crude came out. Venezuelan crude is thicker than

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Murray's grease. Some of you all still use Murray's hair grease.

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Know exactly how thick it is, and it requires additional refinement.

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First of all, you got to get it out of

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the earth, which isn't just like bubbling crew that comes

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up through a drill and a pipe and then is

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loaded on a tanker or into a refinery and then

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onto a tanker. This stuff is so thick it's like asphalt.

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And so all the oil companies are now saying, you

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know what, we appreciate what you've done, mister Trump, which

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they shouldn't appreciate trying to steal these people's oil. It

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turns out to be so thick and so costly to

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refine that the oil companies are saying that we don't

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want it. How about that?

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Speaker 3: I think is very symbolic.

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Speaker 2: They're profound because I think it it begs the question,

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all of that for what? And I think that's that's

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the question we have to ask about this whole thing.

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You did all of this for what you're gonna suffer too.

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Speaker 1: You know, the same government that Maduro, that they took

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Maduro from, is still running the country of Venezuela. Ideologically,

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it's the same party, it's the same underlings of Maduro

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still running the country. Because they have a revolutionary spirit

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that is against being occupied or colonialized by any foreign power.

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And they got that from the Haitians and the Jamaicans

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and the Cubans and others who insisted upon the liberation

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and freedom of their people. They got that spirit in

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the latter half of the twentieth century from the freedom

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movement here in the United States, just as Mandela got

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the same freedom movement and spirit from the United States

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during his twenty seven year period of incarceration.

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Speaker 2: For the crim movements are magnetic, and that entire Latin

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American hemisphere is still bubbling, you know, like they our people.

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Oppressed people cannot be stopped for long, you know, you can.

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You cannot remove somebody and think that that is not

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going to impact the way they.

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Speaker 3: View your country. It's an attempt to show strength, but

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it's really an obvious display of weakness.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. Listening to the Jesse Jackson Junior

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Show on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. You're listening to the

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Jay Lunch Club Moving Mountain. Monday's our first hour, mister

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Crim's classroom more. Will we come forward? On KBLA Talk

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fifteen to eighty. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. Welcome forward to

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the classroom with Ernest krim On, Moving Mountain, Mondays and

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the Jay Lunch Club. Ernest to welcome forward to mister

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Crim's classroom.

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Speaker 3: Hey, what's up, brother? Thanks again for having me.

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Speaker 1: Her name Ernest is Lisa Dannelle Cook born in nineteen

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sixty four an American economist who was sworn in as

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a member of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors in

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twenty twenty two. She is the first black woman to

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sit on the board. Before her appointment to the Federal

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Reserve Board, she was elected in January of twenty twenty

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two to the Board of Directors of the Federal Reserve

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Bank of Chicago. Donald Trump has done everything in his

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power to get rid of her, but the breaking news

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in the country is that because he cannot control Fed

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Reserve Board Chairman Jerome Powell. The President and the Department

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of Justice has now authorized. I believe there is a

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sitting grand jury to look into the construction of the

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Federal Reserve building, and their target is now the Federal

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Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell. I'm convinced that America will never

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be the same again. All of the cultural norms, all

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of the legal norms have been broken. Ernest the consequences

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of the President of the United States being able to

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dictate interest rates with world for the United States and

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world financial systems is nothing short of extraordinary.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think that what first thing we should extract from

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this is, for one, you have to understand that coming

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from any of our circumstances, whether we are black Americans

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historically of folks who have come in from a different country,

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we have had to overcome insurmountable eyes and get to

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that point. So she is exceptional, but she would be

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shown as if she was simply a dei higher, which

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we know that is incorrect and fallacious. The second thing

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I give from that too is we have to remember

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and understand that those who operate under this mindset and

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belief of white supremacy. We know that is an ideology

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of belief, is not something you're born with. They would

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be willing to sacrifice, and we were saying in real time,

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so this shouldn't be a surprise, but I want us

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to really see this and understand what's happening is they

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would be willing to sacrifice the country, the republic, so

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that we could not have all We couldn't all have

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equitable access to the things that we need and desire

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and should have in this country. The Federal Reserve controls

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our interest rates, They can influence inflation, right, we're talking

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they can just shape our employment conditions. We're talking about

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an impact on housing, student loans, small businesses, credit cards,

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make credit cards right, how we acquire wealth as a whole.

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As long as he's good, which again that's really a

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misnomer that in the long run he won't be, But

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as long as he appears to be good financially, he

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could care less about the rest of us.

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Speaker 3: And again, now that we're talking about going back to

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what we first discussed with some of the GOP coming

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on board and saying, yo, we need to actually keep

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this healthcare, we have to all be wondering is it

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too little, too late, Because the vast majority of people

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who will be impacted numerically will be white folks, and

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we know a majority of them voted for this right here.

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Speaker 2: We know he shouldn't be allowed to do that, but

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he doesn't care. He's gonna find he acts first and

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validates it later, and he's gonna find someone in a

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position of power that's completely fine with it, unfortunately, most

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often in Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: I find it fascinating also in terms of breaking the

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historical norms that just last week before the government issued

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an official labor report that of course impacts the stock market,

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consumer confidence, how people feel about the economy, he tweeted

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the numbers on his personal account before the government released

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the numbers, which of course on fat Met Friday's Gina

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Towns suggested this is some kind of insider trading scheme

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and Bishop Toulton, who has an MBA from Vassar College.

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Bishop Tulton was really clear, follow the money. Look at

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the members of Congress, members of the Senate, and members

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of the administration who made trades either before or after

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the President's announcements before the official statistics were released by

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the government. Ernest your thoughts on having powerful and important

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friends in high places.

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Speaker 3: It amazes me.

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Speaker 2: You know, somebody while we were going break, I was

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watching a video on TikTok and somebody said this educated

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was like, you know, how disturbing it is that the

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new cycle has mostly moved on to what happened to Maduro.

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And it's not like there isn't a justifiable reason why,

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because there's just so much happening. But like, you know,

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twenty thirty years ago, we would have sat with something

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for an entire I say that to say it is

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unbelievable the amount and the degree to which they keep

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us on this hamster whel with so much information and

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it does all matter. But by the time you pay

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attention to something like this, they're on to the next thing.

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And having that access to power makes it that much

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more pivotal to us. And when I see these tweets

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or whatever it is, I think it's on a true

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social app or whatever.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 2: What also is disturbing to me is the fact that

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I understand and know, especially if you know how like

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politicians operating stuff, they don't most often even manage their

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social media accounts.

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Speaker 3: This stuff goes through filters.

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Speaker 2: There are people who, like he might say, he wants

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to post it, it's not a good idea if the

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team still doesn't, or sometimes, which is even more alarming,

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it's probably their idea too, to go along with something

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like this case. It really is an inside job. They're

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all colluding to aggregate what they presume to be powered.

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Well again, just you know, I'm reminded oftentimes when I

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see things like, you know, the climate issues in la

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or how in Chicago on a random January sixty degrees,

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Like the climate don't lie like that.

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Speaker 3: Type of stuff.

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Speaker 2: That's my metaphor for like, this stuff is gonna impact

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us off and it's.

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Speaker 3: Only so much you can do to avoid it.

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Speaker 1: While the news cycle has moved on from the capture

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of Maduro, it has not moved on in Chicago from

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the Bears versus the Packers. Rightfully, so this is gonna

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be a long cycle. My brother, turn your thoughts another.

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We have just about one minute two minutes before we

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come forward. Are you shifting? Are you sensing any shifting

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in terms of voter enthusiasm for the mid term elections?

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Speaker 2: I am, I'm sensing the ship. But here's again what

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worries me just Like I said about the news cycle,

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it could last for a day, it could last for

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a couple months.

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Speaker 3: Right, we need to in some ways, we need to keep.

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Speaker 2: Track of all of the stories that are triggering Americans

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to come to their senses. Right, And not because we

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want to trigger people, but because we know, Okay, this

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is what has resonated with folks, that has already been

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impacting us, but now on a high degree, and we

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need to say, once it's election season, we have to

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go revisit them. They're As an educator, what I hate

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too is understanding that because I would often be preparing

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for final exams, I gotta go back The final exam

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is December. I might have to go back to October.

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Kids forgot it, but that's still important to what you

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understand in December. So by the time it's election season

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October November, we gotta go back to what's happening right

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now and say, don't forget this happened. Don't forget this happened.

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We got to I don't want to keep talking to

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people in Democrat, Republican, liberal, conservative. I know we do

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that naturally, but we're talking Look, humanity, people, everybody, this

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is what's happening to you in this moment. He don't

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discriminate against who he discriminates against and poor wife. Folks,

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y'all are feeling it more than anybody because of your numbers.

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Will you wake up?

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Speaker 1: Finally, we have not much time before we come forward,

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but I do want to comment on this and I

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find it interesting. Maybe we'll talk about it in the

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next segment. That Bill Gates has now said that he

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has set a time limit on when the United States

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and the world will enter into a new dark age.

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The definition of what Bill Gates means by a dark

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age could certainly take us back to the dark ages

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on the prehistory before the United States, very very difficult

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times and periods for the idea of civilization. But I

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think it's it's a cautionary tale. More when we come

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forward on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty, my very special

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guest and regular contributor, mister Ernest Krim Mister Crim's Classroom

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on Wealthy Wednesdays on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. You're

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listening to the j Lunch Club. More on KBLA Talk

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fifteen to eighty. When we come forward, Jackson Junior, Welcome

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forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show and the j

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Lunch Club. Ernest Crim's Classroom on Moving Mountain Mondays, Ernest,

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welcome forward to the show.

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Speaker 3: Hey, what's up brother, Good to be back with you.

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Speaker 1: Hey. As much as I want to pick up on

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what we ended on in the last segment, I do

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want to raise this question because you're such a brilliant historian.

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As you know, we did earn some civil rights protections

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coming out of slavery in first reconstruction. The first civil

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Rights Acts of the United States were offered during a

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number of those legislative sessions and produced some minimal progress

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for the freedmen. And then from Rown versus the Board

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of Education to the present, we've issued an offer many

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many civil rights acts, the nineteen sixty four Civil Rights

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Act being chief amongst them. But the Americans with Disabilities

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Act is a civil rights act. Protections for the LGBTQ

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community are civil rights act. Extending protections for women is

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a form of civil rights.

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Speaker 3: Roe v.

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Speaker 1: Wade is an extension of the idea of civil rights

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women having the right to make decisions about their own bodies.

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So the forms and the ways in which civil rights

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have presented themselves have presented themselves not just for blacks

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who had denied access to buses, lunch counters, water fountains,

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and classrooms, but civil rights has really transformed the idea

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of democracy itself. Here's what Donald Trump says recently. Trump says,

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civil rights led to white people being treated very badly.

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Ernest help us with this.

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Speaker 3: I need like a five second buffer.

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Speaker 2: But it's not funny, because it's really it impacts us, right,

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because at one point in time this was just commentary

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from a rich guy from New York, right, But now

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it has political, socio economic consequences. I just it's what

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hurts me again as a former classroom teacher, is he

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speaks at a level that is so easily digestible that

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if you are emotional, you connect with it without any

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critical thinking. Because if you are a white person who

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has never been exposed to the black community, you went

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to your like little segregated school in the middle of

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Kentucky somewhere, or maybe in West Virginian Appalachian area, and

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you think that we're the problem, and you hear that, you're.

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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, that's it's not fair because.

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Speaker 2: We'll no, no, And I know I'm not saying white

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folks have a dealt with poverty. We know the class

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issues in this country, But what he's alluded to with

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that is white people deserve to have racial privileges. And

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when I say privileges, I mean economic benefits as a

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result of violence, systemic violence, physical violence, psychological violence. These

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are I don't even know if we can call them

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dog whistles anymore, man, don't. I don't know what these are. Like.

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I mean, it's it's a it's a it's a I mean,

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this is over the intercom for everybody to hear. It's

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no longer dog dog whistle. It's a referee whistle. And

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if you don't again, So I said this recently when

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I was talking to a group of kids. After revolts happened,

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particularly in seventeen thirty nine with the Stone and Rebellion,

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they would ban a variety of things. Black folks couldn't

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meet in person together without permission. And you know, but

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I also wanted to pinpoint the fact that they also

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they would ban fire arms. Yeah, but they would also

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again ban knowledge, right, and think about that being on

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the same level.

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Speaker 3: To most people, they would assume, oh, well, no, that

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weapon is more valuable, But why would they repeatedly in

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every generation, not just back then, not just seventeen thirty nine,

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but twenty twenty six, still seek to ban that same thing,

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not just for us black folks, but for everybody else.

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So you don't have historical context to call out that foolishness.

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The fact that white folks have had.

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Speaker 2: All of these social benefits forever, court forever is the

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reason why a mediocre white guy like him could become

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the leader of this country and put us in a

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dangerous position like this.

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Speaker 1: You're preaching, no, brother, Hey, let me throw this out

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at you. There has been no history since the inception

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of the United States that white men or white people

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have been discriminated against. There is no history that their

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civil rights have ever been violent. They's just no history

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of that. And I find it particularly puzzling that the

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President of the United States is now and the Department

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of Justice is willing to bring lawsuits civil lawsuits for

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white men who can claim that they've been discriminated against

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by these laws. And that, my friends, really really does

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turn the idea of the American experiment on its head.

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Speaker 3: Ernest, before we.

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Speaker 1: Get to your word of hope, share with our listeners

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a little bit about your books and share with us

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00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,239
how we can stay in touch with you on your

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various various social media handles.

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Speaker 2: Definitely so. My most recent book is How Black History

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Can Save Your Life. It is essentially the second edition

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of Black History Saved My Life. It's going to give

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you practical tools, so how to use our history in

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00:36:43,519 --> 00:36:46,199
a proactive way. Told from a first person narrative of

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how I discovered who I was after dealing with the

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hate crime and various other issues of racism from the

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time I was in first grade to the present day.

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The book was re released last year, and I can

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promise you with everything we're dealing with now, if it's

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not explicitly connected to what we're talking about now, there

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00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,159
are some indirect connections because these things happen in cycles.

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And in the effort to be able to give these

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lessons to our children, I wrote a book called The

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Abcason Affirming Black Children. You'll find out one of the

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most prominent parts of the first part of my book

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is the way I was affirmed. We have to affirm

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black children, especially with the sense of somebody this and worthiness,

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so that they can realize they are the solution to

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the problems we face in this world today.

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Speaker 3: You all can.

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Speaker 2: Follow me on all social medias with a slight caveat

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for the time being. Unfortunately, have to say that my

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Meta pages were banned and disabled as of yesterday and

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I'm trying to resolved right now. Somebody hacked my account

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and Meta thinks I'm the one posting a lot of

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00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,039
craziness on my platforms and it's not mean. So if

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00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:51,920
anybody's listening and they know somebody had met and please

656
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,079
hit me up until that gets restored. I am on LinkedIn,

657
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:01,320
I'm on TikTok, I'm on substack. Please subscribe to my newsletter.

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00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,480
Put in my name Ernest Kram the third you'll find

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me there.

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Speaker 1: I'm still here, Ernest, about a minute and forty five

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seconds forward of Hope.

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Speaker 2: I think the thing I'll take away from our conversation

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today is movements are magnetic, so we have to continue

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to study, especially with Doctor King's holiday coming up every year.

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When we get around this day, I like to reread

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a lot of his works and his speeches, and I'm

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always inspired, but I'm also perturbed because I feel like

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the more the years pass by and I read the

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more I realize how much we have not realized, not

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just his dream.

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Speaker 3: But just the practicality of it all.

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Speaker 2: Read, Read, read, and find a way to apply it,

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because movements and books and those thoughts are magnetic.

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Speaker 1: I've been listening to and reading over and over and

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over again Martin Luther King Junior's speech on April fourth,

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I think it was April fourth, nineteen sixty seven, from

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the Riverside Church. Those of you who can hear my voice,

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00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:04,719
it's called be Beyond Vietnam. Beyond Vietnam. Later this week

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I will share with you the subject matter that I

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will be addressing at a number of events for Martin

681
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Luther King Junior's birthday, and I look forward to sharing

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it right here on KBLA as soon as my thoughts

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are completed and prepared. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior listening to

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Jesse Jackson Junior show Ernest, thanks for being on the

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program today.

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Speaker 3: Thanks again for having me, brother. Look forward to next

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week coming up next.

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Speaker 1: Reverend Doctor Terry hord Owens the President and General Minister

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of the United Disciples of Christ Church. She is our

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regular contributor. She is the General Minister and President of

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a multi racial denomination, a rarity in the United States.

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She's our very special regular contributor on Moving Mountain. Mondays

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more when we Come Forward on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty