WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.799 The views and opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch 2 00:00:02.839 --> 00:00:06.440 Experience do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the host, sponsors, 3 00:00:06.519 --> 00:00:10.880 or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. As always, listener discretion 4 00:00:11.199 --> 00:00:11.880 is advised. 5 00:00:15.439 --> 00:00:20.519 We got someone or something growing around out here? 6 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:26.879 Does a legend walk among us working in the forests 7 00:00:27.239 --> 00:00:27.960 of our world? 8 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:31.960 Did you see what it was? 9 00:00:33.320 --> 00:00:34.640 Was it a person or an animal? 10 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:36.640 Or I can't go off if I know as if 11 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:38.640 my thunder light came on and I hear happened to 12 00:00:38.719 --> 00:00:41.280 Glenn and see the thing running across the yard a 13 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:44.000 good fight man or something works like a man. I 14 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:44.759 don't know what it was. 15 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:54.880 For over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators, 16 00:00:54.880 --> 00:00:59.039 and witnesses trying to gain insight and proof around the 17 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:01.719 existence of this mysterious entity. 18 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:09.640 Jesus quiet ar heel, Hello, get somebody out here. 19 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:10.760 What's going to announce? 20 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:13.280 There's got to revention about six foot nine? 21 00:01:13.359 --> 00:01:14.959 I don't know, easy announce there. 22 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:16.319 Yeah, I'm working right away. 23 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:20.959 Oh okay, hand on her yarn? 24 00:01:21.159 --> 00:01:22.319 Yeah, God, it's big. 25 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:25.599 Okay, what's he doing in your yard? We're gonna do you. 26 00:01:32.719 --> 00:01:37.400 Join us as we continue into the investigation of the 27 00:01:37.439 --> 00:02:01.280 Sasquatch Experience. And well, well, good evening everyone, Welcome to 28 00:02:01.319 --> 00:02:05.680 the Sasquatch Experience. Sean Forker, James Baker, Vance Nesbitt, Matt Arner. 29 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:09.240 No Henry May yet tonight, of course, as we are 30 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:12.439 brought to you by the longest intro in Bigfoot podcasting 31 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:15.520 right there on your screen, we got to shorten that up. 32 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:15.840 Gentleman. 33 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:19.479 It's been a long time, but we do have a 34 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:22.039 great guest tonight. But before we bring our guests on 35 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:24.479 the show, we did want to take a moment. A 36 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:30.280 couple deaths in the realms of cryptozoology and upology. Christopher O'Brian, 37 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:34.280 of course, the author of Stalking the Herd, researcher involved 38 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:37.400 in a lot of cattle mutilation studies, passed away over 39 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:40.680 the weekend. And of course Paul Halsey, you know, more 40 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:43.240 acquainted with our good friend Henry May. I met Paul 41 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:47.080 a couple occasions, but didn't quite have the you know, 42 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:51.680 opportunity to build a friendship with Paul. Besides, you know, 43 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:54.360 just a general passing acquaintance. But again, our condolences go 44 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:57.919 out to Paul's family and friends. You never want to 45 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:02.360 experience these things, and unfortunately it's that part of life 46 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:07.360 that happens. But damn it always happens, especially around this 47 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:07.960 time of year. 48 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:10.840 It just a's a little deeper cut. 49 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:14.039 But again, express our condolences out there. Was going to 50 00:03:14.039 --> 00:03:16.680 give Henry some time to talk and if he pumps on, 51 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:18.879 maybe we'll do that a little later. Give him a 52 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:21.680 chance to, you know, say some kind words about his 53 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:26.039 friend James Baker back in the habit without rambling on 54 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:28.800 too much. Goat, folks, we do have a great guest 55 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:31.520 on the program tonight. Matt was kind enough to put 56 00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:33.520 this together. Matt, do you want to go ahead and 57 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:36.560 give a little intro to our guest of the program? 58 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:43.840 Well, absolutely, if anyone in the big thimming world is 59 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:48.520 involved in in gets in the coalition group, it is 60 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:53.199 a fantastic, fantastic group that was put together by our 61 00:03:53.240 --> 00:04:01.319 guest Steven. Really it gives that critical thinking that is 62 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:07.479 much needed UH for UH for this type of research 63 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:12.919 and and UH in interest. So UH kudos for putting 64 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:19.439 that together, for putting together a very well blended UH 65 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:25.959 audience and in group members who probably have the best UH. 66 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:32.199 I guess we could say arguments, but in a sometimes 67 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:34.600 in a more pleasant manner, you know, across the internet. 68 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:38.839 So uh, definitely kudos to to you Steven and uh 69 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:42.439 and again you know, we thank you for being on 70 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:42.839 the show. 71 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:56.600 It could be a little lag there, Matt, I believe you. Yep, oh, yep, 72 00:04:56.680 --> 00:04:57.800 he popped back. 73 00:04:57.839 --> 00:04:59.040 There we go, there he goes. 74 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:02.959 We got Mario. I'm looking for the chat room, but 75 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:06.319 it's disconnected me from the talk here. 76 00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:07.639 What happened to me? 77 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:12.839 Have choice one or the other. 78 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:16.480 We'll read the questions to me as they come in. Stephen, 79 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:17.600 don't worry. We'll make you. 80 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:21.600 I'm sitting here, yeah, looking at you guys, not the 81 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:25.519 chat room. So any any trolls that come in, I 82 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:27.279 hope you will squash them. Warning. 83 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:33.000 We got your back, buddy, We got Stephen. I uh, 84 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:35.279 we've been acquainted. I don't know if we've ever actually 85 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:37.759 had conversation besides maybe just a couple of sentences on 86 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:41.160 the internet through the years. Uh, that happens from time 87 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:43.480 to time, right, you kind of run parallel, maybe don't 88 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:45.879 run into each other. But we've seen some of the 89 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:52.439 craziness over the years and the fighting, the stupidity that 90 00:05:52.519 --> 00:05:56.040 runs rampant, the hoaxes that get bent out of control 91 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:59.160 and and and run rampant over the internet. You've been 92 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:02.240 there since before where the internet was really a thing. 93 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:03.920 So why don't you tell us your origin? How did 94 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:06.800 you get involved in bigfoot? And why would then you 95 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:09.040 start a coalition group on Facebook? 96 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:14.040 That's the interesting thing, because all my life I was 97 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:19.399 really pro bag foot, believing in bigfoot, fascinated by bigfoot 98 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:23.040 and aliens and other things like that too, you know. 99 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:27.680 But the longer I stayed involved in these fields of study, 100 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:33.839 the more I was forced by the discourse to take 101 00:06:33.959 --> 00:06:38.839 a skeptical position, you know. And I've been pushed to 102 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:43.480 that degree where people think I'm a a troll, a 103 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:47.000 non believing troll who has been lurking in the bigfoot 104 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:51.319 community trying to sabotage it somehow. But the fucking sorry, 105 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:56.199 the fact is that I don't know if I can 106 00:06:56.279 --> 00:07:02.040 use my normal language here at the fact is that 107 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:08.879 I've always been very pro research and pro rational methodology 108 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:13.439 and pro science. So if that conflicts with your looney 109 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:17.319 woo woo belief systems, then well good. I mean, I'm 110 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:20.120 glad it does, but that doesn't make me a troll, 111 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:23.800 someone who's been his whole wife thinking about Bigfoot. Okay, 112 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:26.560 so I don't know who you people out there are 113 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:29.920 who are lurking in all the Bigfoot groups now saying 114 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:34.959 things like oh, they're just non never believer in trolls. 115 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:38.519 So I called me here to harass us. And you 116 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:43.360 know where were you twenty years ago? Person? You watched 117 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:48.319 Expedition Bigfoot and got inspired by Maria Mayor or whatever. 118 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:53.480 I mean, Come on, this is all a lonely a 119 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:57.360 TV show, and you know before that, at least Finding 120 00:07:57.439 --> 00:08:02.639 Bigfoot had real Bigfoot researchers on it, like Bobo and Cliff. 121 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:06.879 I mean, say what you like about Matt or for Day, 122 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:09.519 but you know I know those guys from being in 123 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:14.680 the woods with them. And that's the real Bigfoot community 124 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:17.639 right there, is looking looking for Bigfoot at Bluff Creek. 125 00:08:17.720 --> 00:08:20.360 That's how I grew into it, you know, It's how 126 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:25.839 I got absorbed into it as an adult, and I'm 127 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:26.759 happy that I was. 128 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:27.199 It was. 129 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:30.199 It was, I will say, past tense now a very 130 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:32.559 good experience to add in my life. 131 00:08:34.360 --> 00:08:37.240 I think you make a really good distinction there about 132 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:41.120 about your I call it belief system. It's not really 133 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:44.440 a belief system. But you know, there's nothing wrong with 134 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:48.720 believing yet taking that skeptical approach to everything that's put 135 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:51.399 at you, Steven. If we didn't do that, everything that 136 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:55.360 came across the internet would be accepted as Bigfoot evidence 137 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:58.000 kind of almost like it is today by most people. 138 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:01.279 But to those that have been around for a long time, 139 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:05.720 I still think there's that standard of what we could 140 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:08.159 we We used to call it critical thinking, now it's 141 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:10.279 called you call it. You know, you get accused of 142 00:09:10.279 --> 00:09:13.120 being a troll. No, we just have a higher standard 143 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:14.080 of what evidence is. 144 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:17.600 Yeah, like John Green, he's a troll too, I guess, 145 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:22.559 right right, yeah, and Forne Forne to Hinden, he was 146 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:26.519 definitely a troll. I mean, come on, I mean, these 147 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:32.399 are the fundamental principles upon which modern some North American 148 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:37.440 big footery was founded. Uh, be rational, you know, seek 149 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:42.759 a scientific approach, you can find it to whatever is 150 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:47.279 being rewarded. And you know, it's been a constant war 151 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:52.080 with the wu Wus ever since then. The wu Wu 152 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:57.360 is a is a spirituality thing that is really separate 153 00:09:57.360 --> 00:10:03.519 from Bigfoot and exists exists in American culture. Like regionally, 154 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:08.200 you'll go to places, and they'll have mysterious haunted places 155 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:12.879 or places where monsters have been seen or aliens have 156 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:16.759 landed or whatever the hell it is. Right, everyone's got 157 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:20.120 their own regional witch or demon or ghost or goblin, 158 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:24.519 and that I mean combine that with like Native American 159 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:30.639 spiritual roots and a lot of other you know, European superstitions, 160 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:36.240 and you've got a fertile cultivation ground for all manner 161 00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:40.320 of mysterious blogoney to you know, sprout up everywhere. And 162 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:42.559 that's what's been happening. 163 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:45.440 Why do I think it's so attractive? Why do you 164 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:50.720 think it's Why do you think that's become the more commonplace? 165 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:54.240 Do you think it's because folks really they can't come 166 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:56.519 up with an explanation for Bigfoot, so they just throw 167 00:10:56.519 --> 00:10:58.279 it all into a popo re and say, oh, this 168 00:10:58.320 --> 00:10:59.159 is really Yeah. 169 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:03.720 Well we you know, in the in the Coalition group, 170 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:06.799 we've warned people about these things for the whole time 171 00:11:06.840 --> 00:11:12.399 we've existed. And the group was founded in two thousand 172 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:17.320 and eleven. You know, it's been thirteen years of fighting 173 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:22.279 this battle. And you know, it started fighting the wu Wuos. 174 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:25.480 It started by being in groups where we thought we 175 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:28.080 were talking about Bigfoot. The next thing we knew, we're 176 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:32.399 talking about stick structures and glyphs on the ground and 177 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:38.039 secret languages being spoken, and before you know it, it's 178 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:42.399 mind speak and it's aliens. You know, you can start 179 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:46.080 listening to people like Carlo Williams or Tom can Troll 180 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:52.679 or Igor Burtsev. Even the supposed scientists is actually not 181 00:11:53.480 --> 00:11:58.480 a scientist. But you know, people like Kwoni Laps right as. 182 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:03.360 These people were the looney fringe of the day back then, 183 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:07.080 and they've all sort of faded away, and there's been 184 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:11.279 a whole new generational sweep taking over, so that people 185 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:14.200 like me are actually kind of bewildered, like where did 186 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:17.480 all these new people come from? Like it used to 187 00:12:17.480 --> 00:12:20.519 be like I could just look at what's happening for 188 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:22.360 the week and I'd say, oh, look there's a Billy 189 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:27.080 Willard show on or whatever. Right, Oh look they're Sean 190 00:12:27.159 --> 00:12:30.559 Forker's show, and I'd listen to that. You'd have somebody 191 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:33.759 talking like who knew what the heck they were talking about? 192 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:37.080 Like John Green or somebody was on there. And now 193 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:40.679 it's like who are these people? You know, they come 194 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:43.440 out of nowhere, they buy a plot of land, and 195 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:46.600 they're like suddenly finding they put tracks on it. You know, 196 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:52.399 I'm just speaking of one guy. I don't want to 197 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:55.600 name him, but like he was a little suspicious. He's 198 00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:59.799 a very smart guy, starts a podcast, buy some land. 199 00:12:59.840 --> 00:13:01.639 All of a sudden, now he's got big foot tracks 200 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:07.919 on his land. That is to me very suspicious. But 201 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:13.320 I mean, at least he's taking a fairly rational approach, right, 202 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:16.440 So I'm not one to rule that out or anything, 203 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:21.519 even like the stuff that Tom Powell proposes, like quasi 204 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:26.440 mystical stuff, because I mean, we're weird creatures ourselves, the 205 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:31.759 human race, our species is weird, and we are naturally 206 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:35.399 inclined to see things in terms of our own weirdness, right, 207 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:38.240 So like when there's something happening out of the woods, 208 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:41.399 we don't understand it, We're going to see a projection 209 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:44.279 of ourselves. Like that is a lot of what bigfoot is. 210 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:50.600 It is clearly clearly a lot of it anyway, is 211 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:58.200 obviously psychological or mystical, philosophical, whatever you want to call it. 212 00:13:57.600 --> 00:14:04.240 It's definitely not just an animal in that sense. And 213 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:08.279 like when when you have science supposedly failing like it 214 00:14:08.360 --> 00:14:11.759 did with the Ketchum study, which kept us all strung long, 215 00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:16.759 like how many years, like seven years. It's still going 216 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:21.679 on now that uh, you know, we predicted Ketchum would fail, 217 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:24.840 and we showed how she was failing all along the way, 218 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:29.480 and we had real scientists supporting our view on this 219 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:35.320 that he's doing false forms of DNA study. And we 220 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:37.360 knew what was going to happen after that is the 221 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:40.200 Wu is going to be broken free and they're gonna 222 00:14:40.279 --> 00:14:43.960 like run rampant as I mean, pretty much exactly what 223 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:51.279 they did. So you even have people like these wu 224 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:56.120 Wu people from the past being resuscitated, you know, brought 225 00:14:56.200 --> 00:15:00.559 back into the brought back into the field after they'd 226 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:03.879 already been chased away. You know, he's still got like M. K. 227 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:06.960 Davis to people like him, right. 228 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:10.960 That every so often that massacre theory comes back. 229 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:15.320 I can't I can't believe it. I mean, I started 230 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:18.240 getting involved in the war in two thousand and eight 231 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:22.039 when I when I heard about the massacre theory from 232 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:26.360 Henry Maine, and I'm like, I can't believe this. And 233 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:29.120 I mean I've spoken with Henry over the years, and 234 00:15:29.919 --> 00:15:33.399 I mean it's astonishing how it's still still goes on 235 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:36.639 no matter how much ever we put into it. We've 236 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:42.200 got we've got Bill Miller presenting the full film from 237 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:47.759 John Green that was supposedly the massacre. And you can 238 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:51.480 see blue water running through the creek. It's not blood. 239 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:54.720 And you know, and you know, once you think you've 240 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:59.039 got m. Davis cornered, he quits and retires. Like I've 241 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:02.519 got him to retire at least twice on my own 242 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:07.679 once alive on a radio show, The big Foot Tonight Show, 243 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:11.480 drove him into retirement, and he just comes right back, 244 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:13.919 come back, you can't resist. 245 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:17.000 Yeah, Well, they think with that new audience, they get 246 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:19.320 a whole new generation of, like you said, folks that 247 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:20.279 want to you know. 248 00:16:20.679 --> 00:16:21.440 Buy into that. 249 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:24.159 And and the problem is they just don't go back 250 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:26.279 into the homework. They don't go far enough into the 251 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:31.399 history and and pick up on you know, the point Stephen, 252 00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:34.000 that you made or other folks have made, or stuff 253 00:16:34.039 --> 00:16:37.759 that's actually just in the film that there's nothing to interpret. 254 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:41.679 It's there, you know, like the film is the film. 255 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:45.080 There's no hidden artifacts or messaging or secrets in it. 256 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:46.360 It's it's rare. 257 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:50.799 But yeah, the Patterson's film, you. 258 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:53.879 Mean, yeah, I mean there's nothing there besides what's showing 259 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:57.320 on the on the on the screen. 260 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:00.159 Not to mention though, what's showing on the screen and 261 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:05.680 are optical illusions. You know, when we went to try 262 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:10.839 to find the film site, I was amazed. In two thousand, uh, 263 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:13.960 two thousand and one, I couldn't find it. Two thousand 264 00:17:13.960 --> 00:17:16.359 and seven I went to then I went to the 265 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:18.799 conference with these guys. They took me down there and 266 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:21.319 they pointed out to me where the film site was supposedly, 267 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:24.720 and uh, that was just one of the theories. It 268 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:31.640 turned out. After the two thousand and three symposium in 269 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:34.759 Willow Creek, they all went up there and nobody could 270 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:38.160 pinpoint where the film slight even was. You know. M. K. 271 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:42.839 Davis's friend walked downstream and found a certain spot, and 272 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:45.480 other people walked upstream and that I still can't see it. 273 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:49.599 John Green was there, he couldn't identify it. And Jim Learn. 274 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:53.359 I mean, these guys, these guys, none of them, I mean, 275 00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:57.039 all that collected knowledge al Odson was involved. No one 276 00:17:57.079 --> 00:17:59.400 could pinpoint where it was. And so when we went 277 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:04.480 walking along we had to realize that the view of 278 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:08.920 the film is a plane on a two dimensional flat plane, right, 279 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:12.039 and you're looking at a bunch of information that has 280 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:16.400 to be sorted out like triggerometrically, you know, it has 281 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:22.279 to be put into a three dimensional version of the 282 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:25.400 in your mind just to be able to see where 283 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:29.440 the film site even is. Because those trees in the back, 284 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:31.759 they are like three hundred feet away from the camera. 285 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:36.920 You know, there is a big plane. And if you 286 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:39.920 don't have access to the information like we did with 287 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:45.599 the Christopher Murphy's book, the means the Sasquatches what we had. 288 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:48.599 And there's a view from above the film site taken 289 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:53.359 by Renading Inden in nineteen seventy one that shows all 290 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:59.039 the stumps and everything that was there then after the 291 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:02.160 film was shot. Now it's all grown back so that 292 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:04.839 all you see is a you see the cover of 293 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:08.240 our book, the Bluff Greek Project book, that's the title. 294 00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:14.400 You'll see a drone footage taken by our guy Rowdy 295 00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:18.519 Kelly of the film site, and we know it's the 296 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:21.799 film site. But what you what all you're seeing is 297 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:24.480 is an outline of trees grown back on the sand bar, 298 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:27.759 you know, and you can see the creek, the shape 299 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:31.960 of the creek, and it all matches up with the 300 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:36.839 story told by Bob Gimlins and everything else, But even 301 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:39.759 then you have to get down on the ground. When 302 00:19:39.799 --> 00:19:43.839 Bob Gillen was there, he didn't even identify the big Tree. 303 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:49.799 In twenty eleven, they just he identified where he thought 304 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:53.960 they first were shooting the film, and then we were 305 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:57.279 doing our survey of the site, and we surveyed every 306 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:00.480 inch of that whole sand bar the size of a 307 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:05.559 square football field, and we were able to show exactly 308 00:20:05.599 --> 00:20:08.559 where the big Tree was. I mean, I couldn't believe 309 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:11.480 when I first saw the big Tree, it like it 310 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:14.559 was like hidden in the background, and it sort of 311 00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:17.039 just emerged out, like, oh my god, there it is, 312 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:20.079 you know, like sitting right next to it, where the 313 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:23.119 other trees that were supposed to be there. And we 314 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:28.039 had had actually we had arguments amongst ourselves right in 315 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:32.920 front of those trees just a few weeks earlier. We 316 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:36.599 had been there arguing about it, and our guy Ian 317 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:39.519 had said, this can't be the place. It just can't 318 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:42.160 be the place. And he went walking off and started 319 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:46.680 playing with his GPS and taking readings all around the 320 00:20:46.759 --> 00:20:50.279 area where me and Robert sat there, and said, well, 321 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:53.200 I guess I have to do the survey, you know, 322 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:56.160 And when we did that survey, we were able to 323 00:20:56.200 --> 00:21:00.400 look at it three dimensionally and see that all those 324 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:03.680 stumps and the log piles and the old trees were 325 00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:07.960 still there. So at that point we had stable anchors 326 00:21:08.359 --> 00:21:12.160 that could not be denied, and they still can't be denied. 327 00:21:13.400 --> 00:21:17.119 We've added confirmed by Bill Munz and just about anybody 328 00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:20.400 who's got a brain who's been there will agree with 329 00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:27.319 our position. It's like scientifically proven. But MK Davis, he's 330 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:32.039 still going on and on about how we are the debutantes, 331 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:35.119 Like we just came along and said, oh no, that's 332 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:40.920 not the real film site, and he, on the other hand, 333 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:44.720 has no evidence, is not a single bit of evidence 334 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:48.960 that is related to the current site compared to the 335 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:49.920 site back then. 336 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:54.119 Well, I have to tell you, you guys have put 337 00:21:54.200 --> 00:21:58.200 together quite the tone on the research you did to 338 00:21:58.440 --> 00:21:59.759 you know, into the film site. 339 00:21:59.799 --> 00:22:03.400 Low yeah, pages. 340 00:22:04.279 --> 00:22:06.240 I hope you guys have read it and enjoyed it. 341 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:10.960 We tried to make it about something more than just ourselves, 342 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:14.759 you know, right, because it's really our story, like our 343 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:18.440 adventure that we took to go out and into the 344 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:22.599 world and to seek the answer to this great mystery, 345 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:26.279 like where is the film site? You know, we didn't 346 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:31.519 even have to propose the real hypothesis, which is Bigfoot 347 00:22:31.599 --> 00:22:35.720 exists or not. You know, we just said, where's the 348 00:22:35.720 --> 00:22:39.680 film site? And we were able to demonstrate a fact 349 00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:45.519 in the natural real world that cannot be denied. And 350 00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:50.640 it's just it's just beyond laughable that there's still people 351 00:22:50.680 --> 00:22:52.839 who are trying to deny it. Mhm. 352 00:22:53.960 --> 00:22:56.359 Well, you know what's funny is that, you know, even 353 00:22:56.400 --> 00:22:59.839 for the search for the Big Fellow himself, the difficulty 354 00:22:59.880 --> 00:23:03.079 in finding the film site was its own challenge. 355 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:03.759 Yeah. 356 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:05.759 It's not like you could just go and prove it, 357 00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:08.880 you know. You guys put the work in the accuracy 358 00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:11.160 to ensure that this is where I'm at, This is 359 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:15.200 where we can validate these landmarks to prove this is 360 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:15.920 the film site. 361 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:18.200 Yeah, I mean, how can you deny How can you 362 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:22.039 deny a set of stumps that are in the perfect 363 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:28.400 matching alignment with the photographs from the film itself and 364 00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:32.599 afterwards by known researchers that have been there, You can't. 365 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:36.680 And we've done trigonometry, you know, we had our our 366 00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:42.559 fellow Jamie Wayne, joined the group and did the trigonometry, 367 00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:48.480 with the survey and with the photography, and I mean 368 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:52.680 it showed that it's beyond doubt, you know. I mean 369 00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:56.480 Bill Mant spent two days there with us, serving and 370 00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:00.079 working on the site. Thing. There's no doubt about it. 371 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:03.079 So who is this guy? Mk? Davis? He doesn't even 372 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:06.559 go to the place that we m that we talked about. 373 00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:10.160 He gets down there and he immediately has downstream to 374 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:13.440 his own special place where he he you know, finds 375 00:24:13.480 --> 00:24:16.319 like bones in the rocks and tries to claim that 376 00:24:16.400 --> 00:24:17.559 it's a bigfoot bone. 377 00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:22.119 Oh boy, Mac, go ahead, did you have a question 378 00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:22.759 there or a baker? 379 00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:25.279 Well, first, I want to thank you. 380 00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:28.000 I wanted to clap through most of your conversation here 381 00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:31.079 because you you pretty much say what I do, except 382 00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:31.880 you read a book. 383 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:34.680 And the fact is is because. 384 00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:37.799 I look at it, I look at all the I 385 00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:39.839 enjoy the lore, but I look at. 386 00:24:39.759 --> 00:24:41.519 It from a scientific point. 387 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:43.240 Of view, and a lot of people get mad about that, 388 00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:45.640 like you don't believe it or whatever. I have never 389 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:47.480 seen anything personally. 390 00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:50.039 But I've seen photos. I've seen things. 391 00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:52.680 Plus I've listened to a lot of people that are 392 00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:56.960 really smart and aren't taken easy by a stupid you know, rumor, 393 00:24:57.559 --> 00:25:00.480 but you make a good you make valid points. So 394 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:04.160 a lot of this newer stuff is you know, I 395 00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:07.759 always call it like Columbuses. They discovered bigfoot, so everything 396 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:10.240 they see must be what it has to be, and 397 00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:12.960 there's no arguing with them. And those people I just 398 00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:14.680 kind of walk away and go over and have a 399 00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:17.039 taco or something or go, you know, I just ignore 400 00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:19.319 them and they get mad or because they're like, why 401 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:21.960