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told you, the final Trashold You of twenty twenty five. Officially,
we are a few hours away from New Year's There's
is there, no, no, no, Well, I guess there's probably
some people already in twenty twenty six. If you are, congratulations,
I hope you have a great year. Hope you have
a good year last year. And if you didn't, whatever,
you're gonna have a great year this year. Are we
gonna have a great time time about Stranger Things? Who knows?
But we are here so obviously in the past few
weeks I've been reviewing Stranger Things. I caught up on it.
You kind of know my thoughts and as usual, if
this is your first time tuning into the channel, I
did get to see it in the theaters, which was
we'll get there right. But if this is your first time,
I'm going to give about ten minutes downspoys. So if
you're seeing the theaters later on, if you're seeing Larylond
this weekn wait for people. I'll give out my overall
thoughts on you know, likes dislikes, Where ranks did they
land the plane? Was it successful? We will see we
will talk about that and everything, but we will do
all that about Tennis Mith's non spoils and then I'll
give a break. I'll give you a warning so you
get right into it, and then we'll go full into
spoilers and talk about the the ending of this which
has started nine years ago, which is crazy. But let
me just share this. I let people know we're live,
but yeah, I hope everyone's having a good New Year's Eve.
If you're anyone in a live chat, you can let
me know your thoughts. I don't know if I'll be
able to get to them all, so if you want
something really read, you can send a super chat. But
I don't know. I'm kind of like on our time
limit because after the second I go do some New
Year's festivities and whatnot. So I hope again everyone's having
a good time. But yeah, it is here after nine years,
which is crazy. I remember the first time seeing this preview,
I mean like, oh, I can't wait to see that,
and then here we are, you know, almost a decade later,
which a lot of people been like, oh the kids
are sold now yet that but that's never really worried
about for me. But so I got to see this
in the theaters, luckily because at first we were getting them,
and then we did get that, and I got a
complete full crowd. I don't I don't think there was
a single seat empty. I'd have to think about. I
don't think there was a single seat empty, I will
say before I get to my thoughts. It was the
closest to I'd say, because there was endgame. There was
no way home. But I think this was maybe the
closest I felt to being back at end games. There
was cheering, there's wood and haulering, and other than at
the beginning when the Stranger Thing logo popped up, there's
a couple of flashes that, uh oh, just gonna be
a bad crawds. There's gonna be lots of phones or chatter. No,
it was I'd say ninety five percent good crowd. Maybe
if someone talking a bit too loud, but it was fine.
I get it. People were hyped, and that's what's great
because obviously sometimes movie theaters people kind of disrespect the
cinema nowadays. It was great that people were there. They
were locked in and it was a phenomenal fun time.
There was laughing, there was sharing when it ended it
cheered or people are cheering laughing, it was. It was
a great time for a theatrical experience. So if you're
even thinking about this, because I know it's on near's day,
if you're even thinking about should I go, if it's
near you and you're a big fan of this show,
then I would recommend it. My overall thoughts of the show,
I've loved the show. I've every season is like at
least the nine may there may be an eight point
five of season two, but multiple ten to ten episodes.
I've always said that those first four have been if
they were to stick the landing with this be one
of the greatest shows of all time? Do I feel
that way? Can I say, did we get a Game
of Throne situation? Because as we talked about on Tress
told you first batch episodes I thought were really great.
Hard to judge because all the other seasons other than
last season, we could judge them all together right as
far as okay, we watch it too to from A
to B and we could right away know how we feel. Right,
But we got the four, the three and then the
one the three. Obviously, lots of memes going on, lots
of pushback, lots of blowback, some of it warranted, some
of it not, some of an opinion based hard to
kind of seep through it all right off, like what
it's really there? But obviously it comes down to opinion.
But this was the main event. This was like, okay,
you can you can have a rocky road, but if
you can land the plane after some turbulence, it's okay.
One of my fair promos in wrestling history is the
rock wrestume in nineteen when he says Act one, Act
two he was match with Stone Cold because he lost
the first match and second match of Stone Cold Cold,
and he says, Hollywood taught me anything. Act one at
two they don't matter. It's all about Act three. They
climb act the finale, the ending, and honestly they two him.
You can't have a terrible Act one or Act two.
But I would never say, even my issues with any
of the season so far, it's never been terrible. Right,
So what did we do here? I can say that
we had. I won't say a lot of turbulence, but
a few turbulence where okay, we could be in for
a crash landing or a very damage plane. But you
know what, In my opinion, this was a fucking fantastic finale. Granted,
I guarantee there's probably some things people would have issues with,
but to me it feels similar to Endgame or The
Dark Knight Rises, where Dark Knight Rises. I love that movie,
but I can see its fault. I don't think the
season as a whole is perfect. Honestly. I think there's
something in this episode that helped the last three's things
that I would, oh, you know, that could be an
issue that missed the mark on that it happened here, right.
So that's why you can only base it as it
goes on. Now that we got the whole kid kaboodle,
the whole show, the whole season, I can still finally
easily say that strange things to me, just a personal thing.
But I still think, even in the grand scope of TV,
is a top ten TV, especially the scope of this,
this finale is something that even if you end up
hating it, I think you could admit that there is
big action set pieces that you go, man, I'm very
happy I'm seeing in the theaters. I think we have
that all the time, right with streaming shows or movies.
We're sitting at our home and unless you got a
massive theater room. Most I'm like, oh, if you love theaters,
I wish I could saw this, right, So that's another recommendation.
If you want that big scope and big scale, see
it on the biggest screen you can, which is the
theaters obviously, right. So that delivered big set pieces of
action pieces that delivered. It delivered a lot on I
feel like this is kind of like what we speculated.
It's two hours, and I don't know the exact math,
but I'll kind of say our one is some thing
and an hour two something else. Right, not a big
twist or anything like that, just like in kind of
the vibes I got going on, right, I feel like
other than a few characters, I think they just absolutely
forgot about, like completely entirely. And that's that's okay. They're
not characters I really cared about. But I'll get that
question there b why Mars says, do you feel like
it was rushed? And that's where I was gonna say.
I feel like most of the people and the relationships
got a moment to shine, and I don't think it was.
I think maybe when I rewatch it there might be something,
But I think I was happy with everything in the
pacing of it. I was worried last week. I was
worried it was gonna be rushed because someone said, oh, well,
they got two hours, and I said, like, yeah, but
lots of that's gonna be action, and lots of it was,
but they took a lot of time in between action
beats to do that, and I feel like they kind
of had action throughout, but it was more like, hey,
we're gonna build to one big actioning. When we get there,
it's action. It's a fucking video game final boss battle.
It's like what you want in a fund because there's
nothing that pisses me off more in a big final
boss battle in a movie or a game or a
TV show, and it's like a two minute scene and
then done, you know. So for me, that's where I
would push back. I did not feel like it was sure.
I feel like with that scale, with the budget they
probably still have to have, there's massive things going on.
To me, it was just right, there's scope, there's everything
going on. So I was happy with that because it
also there is a big fight, but you kind of
take some time to get there, right. I feel like
I said all the character moments worked for me for
the most part. Maybe as I talk about them, there'll
be something that stands out, but for me, they there's
nothing that if we get to son that didn't work.
I don't think there was anything that massly was like
a big nag of like, oh that really didn't work. No,
I think they they did justice to the show, the characters.
There as many times that yeah, feeling in the throat
starting to tear up a little bit. They did the
right and out, like right amount enough of showing you
stuff in the past and then present day stuff. It's
not like Mission BOP's Reckoning where it's like this is
like a full recap because you can't get there right
and you still have to do that for people that
I have not seen the show in nine years, right
because I watched it all leading up to it, But
many people haven't, right. So for me, I was I
was satisfied with it all. And that's the best way
I would describe it. That the clean The takeoff was clean.
The middle part of the trip had a little turbuanes,
but the landing, we landed the fucking plane and that's
all that matters, right for the most part, Right, because
I if there was massive, massive negatives in the other
episodes that I'd say, Okay, it's kind of irrep like irrepaarable, right.
I never felt like it got to that point. I
was underwhelmed those last few episodes. But this to me
was practically a home run. If it wasn't a home run,
I don't know if it's I don't know if it's
going to like then it's like they got to third
and then got to home right after, you know. But
for me, I would describe as a home run, and
I was satisfied with it, right, and again, it could
be and as we talk, it could be that there's
just certain type of things that certain type of genres
and certain type of ways they tackle them. Like here's
the thing for me, Endgame. I've always said before, said
this a lot this week. I love the first hour Endgame,
where a lot of people don't why because I love
the heroes being depressed and we're going through the shit
and it's sad. I'm not saying that's this, but sometimes
there is a level of melancholy or solemn or you know,
sad emotions here that are going on, and it kind
of a full circle, very retrospective, which of course nine
years has to be. But no, I I was happy.
And I think there's another thing too where I think
people will dog it because I can't see this all
the time on other projects, the Return of the King,
there's too many endings. For me, I never feel a
Return the King. I could take more endings. Give me
another ending with leg Listen, Gimli, give me another ending
with al Ron. You know, there's an ad that this
ad is ruining my Stranger Things background, my ambience there,
but for me, it does have that. But these are
characters we've grown in love with and we've loved for
all these years. So I'm down to see all the
different endings and all where these characters ended up after
the fact because we've been on this journey. So I
because to me, there's sometimes where movies or TV shows
end and there's so much left. There's too much. Because
I see a comment that I will adjust some spoilers
that for me that stuff and that stuff's left open.
That's fine for me. What I care about is the
characters and where they are and where their lives are going.
But for me, yeah, I'm very happy with what they
did here. I think this is definitely now would be
my top ten show ratings. I don't think I put
it there this year because like I just didn't see
the ending of it right. But no, I think they
did a great job. We'll talk about some specifics here.
We're at the ten minute mark, so this is it.
If you've not seen the show. I'm gonna get into
full spoilers, so this is your last chance. I don't
want to hear any bitchin and moaning and whining. Uh.
And then we'll get right into it. So let's take
an ad break and we'll be right back. And we
are back. Okay, So a few comments, so we're gonna
be all over. Usually if I got someone else with me,
I can kind of throw to it. Not it's just me,
so it's gonna be a big stream. Of what I'll
probably do is after I address some comments here, I'll
probably get the character lists and just make sure I
hit on everybody and talk about their stories. Uh. And
even then the check and guy me a little bit here,
but uh, Champions Go says, I'm satisfied, but there's still
many holes to be filled on their other projects. Maybe
I guess for me again, what I because I don't
know if I'm gonna watch those spinoffs. What I care
about is the character stuff, And to me, none of
the holes were with our main characters. We know roughly
where they're going, right, They kind of even like showed
like what their jobs are gonna be, Like we know
where they're going, we know their lives are finally gonna
be happy. That's all I needed. And again I can
see if someone's some people are mad about this. It
depends the type of viewer or watch who you are.
From the get go, I wanted all these fucking kids
to survive. And guess what, all these fucking kids survived,
and that's what I wanted. You know, sometimes the good
guy's gotta fucking win. We'll talk about the eleven stuff
because obviously they leave that Kanye ambiguous. To me, it's
not really ambiguous, but like you can't choose that if
you want. And I'm there's that's where it's like, how
that was done. That's a big stretch, Like I guess
I could just say it now right with they do
a death fake out right, and well, if you've seen
the show, you know what you just watch, So I'm
not gonna break it. Scene by scene, but they do
have a death fake out because uh, Collie or sister,
she gets shot and she said, hey, my story this
was to end here, but yours doesn't, right, and we
just assume she's dead. But what they actually do is,
while they're kind of sneaking after they be Vetna and
they're getting through the upside down all the stuff that
she put some you know, they call it an invisibility curse.
She's making everybody see Eleven go and sacrifice herself. Mike
eventually figures out, hey, all those like power detractor things
were on Eleven. Couldn't have done that. They must've did
it so Eleven could escape. It's to me much like
The Dark Knight Rises with the bomb when Batman has
a nuke and he's driving the Middle Ocean. How the
fuck does he get out of there? How does he
end up in Spain or Venezuela wherever with Catwoman and
their banging. We don't really know, you know, it doesn't
make it like it's now, that doesn't make sense. It's
just like there's a lot that has to go right
for Eleven to escape and be alive. Right, Even that
girl when she got shot, what if she died, what
if she died mid whatever, and then they don't get
to do this like fake out cursing or whatnot. Right,
So there's a lot stuff, But for me, I'm okay
with doing some stretching if it gets me the happy ending,
because I was in the situation and I did think
they were gonna kill her. But I've said this since
the beginning. I said, I don't think anyone's really gonna die,
but I think Eleven's prime for the taken. I didn't
really want that. I've said on this show the same
speech that Happer gave her to me, this character has
a fucking shitty life, and they literally have Hopper say like,
you were born, your mother were taking aware, you were abused,
you were scared. This this is listed everything that happened
to her when they did that, though, because last episode
they did Cali being like you gotta sacrifice yourself, and
to me like, okay, I think Eleven's good. They're telegraphing
it too much. Right when they did the reverse telegraph
of you deserve to live, I'm like, ah fuck. But
luckily to me that is a two for one them
like him telling Eleven like you do you do deserve
these good things. You deserve a life even though your
hand the shit deal. So it's to wake that character up.
But also, like the show of last week, a lot
of people memed on it but still will coming out
was a good thing. That is an allegory. That speech
to me as an allegory for suicide and not take
your life right if like you're like the Hopper says,
like there's so much dark and there's so much bad,
but if you can get through and get through the
other side, and he kind of does it with Mike too, right,
like there is a chance after the darkness, right, And
I think that's a good message to me. Where I
get it's the the eat your cake and eat it too,
where Okay, she has to kill herself so her friends
and family can be safe, but you don't also have
love and kill herself, right like me personally didn't want
and obviously the friends and Hopper, So this is the
double edged like perfect sword, I guess, not double ed
swords because it's a bad thing, you know. To me,
it's like she sacrifices herself to go live a life.
She can't beat the people she loves right now, but
they get to live a life and then she gets
to go actually be out there and her friends are safe.
It's the It's the perfect type of ending for me.
And that's where someone like more uh mortar uh mortar gown.
I think that's how I said, uh said, I think
she died by like the left ambiguous exactly because to me,
you can think that she died and I can think
she lived, and that's perfect. I think there's some ambiguous endings,
especially this year, some movies have been like way too
like left way too much open, where it's like, okay,
you're not even telling the story. Now, you're making me
tell all the story. And to me, it's been the
ones that haven't done that ending type of right right.
So to me, I like that we went that route
with eleven. We got the moment with my kids. To me,
it would have been a little weird to do the
whole big scene where they cry and love you and
then she's just back right like it would have felt
awkward to me. It's like you kind of committed to
the death. Anytime she was gonna walk down a D
and D or be the graduations like kay, this was
just a cop out for us for half an hour
and fourty five minutes. I think she's dead and be
sad where this week can still be sad, right because
she didn't get to be with her friends and be
with Hopper as of right now, there's gonna be no
matter what, even if she sees them lost time, but
she gets to be alive and maybe have it for
ending and stuff like that. Right, So, to me, I
was very happy with I can see people if they
are wining death, I get that, but I feel like
the Duffers try to if you fall online stuff. They
tried to brief you by saying like, hey, we're not
Game of Thrones, We're not doing the Red Wedding, and
I'm I'm happy about that. I think obviously there could
be a bounce, right like look at Endgame Man Game,
we lose lots of characters, but then look at Fellowship
of the Ring we lose one Bormir. You know. I
I think it's always dependent on each store, and even
Game of Thrones, I think sometimes those deaths hurt the
show actively. Even the final season hurt the show, right,
So it's never perfect. And I'm saying this finale was perfect,
this final season was perfect. I'm not sure where rank
and I'll give a number at the end there. But
let me go back a little bit here. Uh yeah, Bby,
you said you felt the fight scene with Vecna was short.
I guess I was fine that because to me was granted.
I think you're right where the whole fight maybe is shorter,
but it's like the cave, to the running up to
the reveals to the like Vecna, you know, in the cave,
having his little moments there, having his conversation with Henry.
It to me was like the reason it was a fights.
The fight was streaming, sure, but why I don't think
it was short is because Vecna's also in like the
mental fight the sphere, right, So to mean there was
like the physical fighting and the mental fight. It felt
like a worthy boss battle. To me, I do love that.
It's it's just so funny when I'd say season one,
season two, it depart right, got more sci fi, But
the first two seasons also lots of Spilberger Spilberger Spilberg isms.
We're in there right, like et God, close Counters with
the third kind, just that ambulance feel the eighties, right.
But then the other thing people talked about because now
I feel like it transitioned into sci fi and alien
they got in a nightmare ELM street Ball. Lat Peel
talked about, hey, this steals a lot like it and
Stephen King Primeer right, but it so was so fucking
funny because I remember in our discord joining a discord
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way to listen. And then the discord. Right we're telling
the discord I think s pub share this where the
finatal like lots of people are getting screenshots and look
like a dragon of some sort. Right, So there was
this theory of oh, Vecna's going to turn into something bigger,
so I gotta take down this banner here by thing. Well,
actually I'll keep up because yeah, I'm planning just to
keep this about an hour because I got new yar
stuff to do. Probably tell us more of the guy.
So there you go. Like I said, I'll try and
get to all the comments, but near the end if
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a super chat because obviously it's Uh it's a busy stream.
And thank you to everybody tuning in right now. There's
a lot of you in the room. When Vecna is everything,
they're coming out of the ground, all stuff's going on,
and also he had seen the whole thing looking spider like,
but when he turned into an actual fucking spider, and
all the comparisons, and especially because for decades it's always
been like, oh, it's great until the ending and he
turns into fucking spider, right, Like why is Pennywise a spider?
Like even Stephen King in the movie be like, why'd
you make it a spy? Like he says something where
the ending sector whatnot? Right, like it it's funny that
it did turn that. To me, this was the better
version of it because I think what they did, and
that's what it chapter two did. They're smart enough. Hey,
you got a big, bad spider, but then you also
got Vecna, the character in the middle of the vessel, right,
that's super smart. And also you got to have every
fucking buddy fight. You got to have Joyce in there
with the acts. You got to have them on the end,
like taking the hell points out, you had to Nancy
in her full and badass moment of shooting with the
fucking grenades and the machine gun, like all this stuff.
To me, it was great because there's many times where
it's just like they even say like, oh, things were easier,
like and see before, like it was easier when we
had eleven, or she could always solve these problems. Of course,
she's kind of like the teen captain, right, the quarterback,
but it is the whole crew together, And that's what
I loved about the final fight is, like he said,
even Joyce, which I was a fan of, Like when
they went to a lit rone, I'm like, oh my god,
she's gonna get the killing blow and vecna. But when
they were smartly showed the flashback, it's like from this
like obviously to Henry stuff, but from our crew. She,
her and Will were really the first two infected, right
or like impacted. He got kidnapped and abducted and she
became a mother in that first season. She's a very distraught,
broken down character. Right, they have been through it the
longest they've been through it, the most they've been through
the shit. And I could be wrong, but I don't
think Joyce had ever gone the upside down. So for
her to be there and her final thing of you
fucked with the wrong family, and then it's like ten
out of ten. No, No, to me, that was perfect,
Like who you get because Will to me, and that's
where they all got a moment to get on VECNA.
But I feel like the top three with eleven, Will
and Joyce, people that were really messed with, they got
moments to get back at DECNA and I love that. Also.
I love that they introduced that again. They said they're
gonna explain some stuff upside down. I think they over explained,
but that's fine. Ended up being okay, and they explained that, oh,
Henry found this thing the briefcase and it was a vessel,
and they tried to do this whole Oh you are
a vessel, just like Will was a vessel. Henry. It
wasn't you. You're not the problem. And as this was happening,
I was like, ah, fuck, I don't want this. I
don't want Vecna to do a baby face turn. I
don't want to be like I was misunderstood. Think you
will and now I can rest easy. I liked that.
It's like, no, this thing needed me. I needed it
pretty much. I'm a shit person, but I'm happy shit
person and let's fucking do this and then boom, whether
that is over time he decided to do that, whether
what he's saying it's true whether he's just scared because
he was crying, like, whether he's just scared that he's losing,
chose us, whatever it is. I liked that he did
not do a Bay for bayface turn. And I didn't
need like the whole crew of VECNA on the side
being like what do we do eleven? Like I was
really worried because I love the trope of villains and
heroes working together here. I did not need it. This
guy's done so much here, I did not need it
and not redeemable enough for me to get those things right.
So let me take a drink water. So I love that.
And I think his name is what Jamie Campbell Bauer
or something like that I said before I liked him
in season four. He's been good this season. Shouted to
him when they got to get into the cave, fucking
he's acting as ass off here when he's reacting to
see him as old self kill a guy, and like
the tear goes down his cheek and he feels it,
Like that's not like I know people sometimes discount, not
discount acting, but just say, oh yeah, he's just crying.
He's just upset. To me, that idea of Okay, you're
reacting to a something that's happening in front of you,
but then also a memory, and then it's also you're
reenacting at the same time. There's lots of stuff where
many other actors, because I don't think everyone this shows great,
many other actors could make that scene cheesy or not play.
And that's where it works where Vegna is this terrible person,
Henry's this terrible person, but in this moment you do
feel for him slightly right, and then he makes that
turn of no, I'm gonna still just fuck you guys up,
and we're doing this right. But to me, his acting
that scene fantastic. I really hope because I feel like
he has a different look, in a different vibe. I
really hope that he gets more work after this outside wherever.
I think season four showed he was a good actor,
and there's a couple of scenes that are great, but
this I think he had a lot of versatility throughout,
but this finale he got to really shine. And you
do want that a villain. You want a villain to
shine both menacely and acting wise, because then when you
take him down, it's that much better. So shut him.
I thought like those cave scenes were really good and
just acted out standing. Le So let's see a couple
of things here. Morgan dun said, I liked it, but
my actums nations were extremely low after disappoint previous episodes
this season. Yeah, I so, I actually don't. So I
think how I was. My expectations weren't lowered. I just
got more worried. I still was expecting greatness from them.
But I thought these show, these show that we could
be like you, you can draw blood, if it bleeds it,
you can kill it, right, even in season two, which
I think is the lowest. I never anytime in these shows.
I think ever thought, oh, this could be a failed
season or a failed episode, Like I wouldn't fail last
week's episode. I know people might fail failed, but I
wouldn't like I know, it's like a four point whatever.
I mean, you'd be like, no to me, there are
some clunkiness, some writing issues, but I would not go
that far, just like maybe could have been tighting up
a little bit better. Right, But uh yeah, and that's fair.
That's that's the that happened for you. So, uh, let's
see the only thing I think, uh, the only one
I think should have died is Max in season four
would have had much better impact and frankly the role
of the season have been filled by another character like
will my opinion, Yeah, I guess. But at the same time,
that's where it's the flip, right where I'm happy, Lucas happy,
and I like their ending where they kind of say like, yeah,
you guys are gonna hap being settled down and be
in love like you love kids, like uh you know,
I yeah, he said, the only one you think I
keep Maxim's mistake, Yeah, I yeah, I don't like and
that's fine, I have that opinion. I was happy with
them to be getting the any oh, that's what I
was gonna say, because it was almost non spoilers in
that moment went Vecnu's peers and Joyce Scott's the action
she's going going. That actually teered me up because I
was getting choked up because there's characters like I never
cared about bar the same way that people did. But
when it's like with each hit it's showing the people
that have died, That's where I'm like, you could have
terrible and bad things happen to our characters without having
to kill them, right, of course death happens in life,
but especially with some of these characters not saying, oh
fuck you Bob. Yeah, it sucks he died, right, but
that's what makes the journey better. And that's why when
these characters survive, it showed other people around you can die.
We're lucky we made it out. And I when she
hit dead character hit it was to me, I'm getting
chills right now. I was like yeah, and that was
when I was happening. I was like, yeah, fuck, oh
good guys, you know, like that's that's the vibe that
I sometimes don't get me wrong, that guy should win,
and I'm always following him with a downer ending. Go
fucking watch our first film we met here keepers, you know, like,
I'm fine with a downer ending. But for me, with
these characters, how long we needed them, and also with
them being kids and teenagers started their lives, is like
I for the most part wanted them to succeed. Right, So, uh,
let's see, he'd be a great joker. Yeah, sure, but
I don't know if they'd never go that ret. Well,
you know what, the guy that cast for Brainy as
not the biggest actor, right, so maybe this guy has
some cashet he would. He has a great look and
he has like very tall slenderness stuff. I don't think
they've really done that yet because jack was like, like
not a skinny guy, right, Heath had a lot of jackets.
He'th probably would been the closest, to be honest, but
I feel like because his attire, he fledger, looked bigger.
And then Jerry Lettle got like ripped like an MMA fire,
which I didn't need. And I think Walking Things didn't
have like the full on hype, but we it would
be great to get like a full super tall, skinny
joker like in the comics. Right. But yeah, so we
get there and I guess I'm kind of talk of
the ending here they do that, and this is where
it was fine, but as I've told me before, I
don't need the military here, and now I know why
the military was in this season, and you know what,
it's Okay. Was I a little tired of military and
signed his villains? Yeah I was. But they want to
do this ending eleven where okay, we want to make
a sacrifice, but not the sacrifice, And that's where watching
this vitality at the times, like do I need the
military to be the villains again. Even the finale when
they go to like them watching the monogas' like ah,
these fuckers, like they're just here at provide a side
quest to get us some more action and fight, you know.
And don't get wrong, not bad scenes. Characters got some
like whatever the I think his name is Murray right,
Like he got through the grenade and the chopper. That
was cool and all. And they heard eleven, so I
get that's why they were there. Is they wanted Vecna
to die to eleven and all the kids, right. They
didn't want a situation where Vecna gets the upper hand
and takes eleven then the kids do it. So in
that aspect, I do I would retroactually go you know,
it's still my favorite, but and you know, little Hamilton
at least is great fun to watch. Should be this
villain or dark mage as they called her. But for
me now it made sense of Okay, if we got
the military end here to get to this sacrifice instead
of death, I'll buy it. I'll take it. You know,
it's fine. It is what it is. And even like
Kylie dying, like that's what's a Yeah, that's a character
that can go a character that was like one episode
one season, and a couple here, you know, so those
are kind of the deaths I want. And before I
forget it was strange a couple they showed me. I
can't remember if they had broken up. But like Dustin's
old girlfriend, she never came back, which was a surprised
even like Robin's girlfriend never like she just disappeared and
I can't I'm forgetting it now. But there's another character
that just disappear in the valley. Very odd. That's where
you kind of go, you know what, that nurse character
couldn't have been in there, and you could have just
made Luca's sister that was wheeling Max around. Right. Kind
of odd, but the ending's there. They do the sacrifice
army thing, blah blah blah. Somehow none of them are
in prison. But that's okay, right, that always happened. The
stranger things. They jump eighteen months later to their graduation,
which this is all good stuff, right. We get to
the older gang of people that they're hanging out, which
this is like a like, I don't know how old
people are, but this is a scene that even us
a geek us here when we did the GV ten
Day or Extra Life. I took for granted the times
that we used to podcast all together in the same room,
and then you know, Dylan move and nowadays with how
much we do, we couldn't be together, right, but now
we do those long streams or when we try to
do once a month and together. It is like when
they say, like, hey, once a month, because they established
that Nancy went to New York, but she left school,
which is like she wants to be, you know, out
there doing her own thing. Oh god, what's what's Jonathan's
just making weird films being an indie kid, cool Robins.
They didn't really say what Robin's up to. She came back
to DJ once and they didn't say what she's really
up to. She's just somewhere else, like okay, that's fine.
But she was like a good emotional core in this episode.
And then Steve's just doing like the soon to be
dad thing. He's trying to find his wife. He's coaching
the baseball team with fucking Derek, like good stuff. They
even jump to a point where like he's picking up
Dustin from college and they're hanging out. Yeah, all happy
of that, and that scene hit for me too, when
it's just like you know, you get new friends, but
it never hits the same way as when we're together
and they like, hey, once a month, which is funny
because we said, like once a month we want to
try and podcasts in person when you know, when Dale's
in town or just the three of us, like we
want to try and do that. And that seems struggling
me because there is those friends groups that no matter what,
whenever you see them, it's like it was exactly how
it was, and you do miss those times. Those times
go by fast. So anybody, if you're in school, college
or your roommates, there might be a time where you're
trying to think about your future life or and that's
saying I'm on a different adventure like they talk about here,
like I'm on a different venture now, where got the wife?
The kids? That's great, but there's definitely the times where
I go, man, I didn't not that I miss and
regret like, oh I want to go back, just man,
in those moments, I should have appreciate us all going together.
I should appreciate it every day after working on Friday
that we'd meet up and podcast and be laughing everything.
The times were great, and I don't like it's not like, oh,
I'm so solemn, but it's like, no, it's just like
appreciate the times when you have them. And I like
that even and Dustin's speech too, of like the bad
chaos and good chaos. Even through all these awful times,
there was good that happened. And I'm friends with people
that I shouldn't have never been friends with. Right. I've
told the story many times. I worked at Target and
they used to laugh as I as the guy that
would do my shift and on my lunch breaks, I'd
go to and from with my earbuds in I had
enough friends, didn't want any more friends, and now these
three are three of my best friends. Right. And that's
where it was, where it's like we all have that.
So all that emotional stuff, the speeches all worked for me,
all good stuff. The stuff with Hopper abouts picking again,
I thought it was kind of almost on a suicide
or depression rut, where it's like there's two roads. The
road to happiness. It's gonna be dark and you're gonna
lament on sometimes and there's gonna be hard times, but
you gotta fight and try and get there and do
whatever you can. You can accept that dark stuff, but
don't let it define you. Right. I'm definitely paraphrased. That's
not the speech, but I think it was good to
bring them to right or bring it back to those
two because they're the closest with eleven as far as
Will being the love interesting boyfriend then Hopper being her dad.
So I thought that was good. Uh, Dustin doing his
big speech, which was like sometimes it's like they do
the principal like me mugging really mad. That's a little
cheesying over the top, but you know what, Shanger Things
kind of does that multiple times. Right, They lean on
that eighty stuff. So maybe a little too much, but
you know what, it's fine. These characters have a good time.
I love the moment when he's like I play this
game called Dungeons Dragons, and the whole crowd cheers, and
then he will hop like Jesus Christ like, which they
stick with. And again I don't play Dungeons Dragon but
shout out to like the very final battle of Vecne
even they're like, oh, we could take off. I can't remember.
There's like some health points they use, they say, and
it's for d and D and I think they also
use in video games, right, So it's like to the
very beginning to the end they're making D and D references.
So that's great. Uh, but yeah, Dustin pretty much just
makes like, ah, he's very happy to be a student.
He's had a great time, he's big learning. He makes
his friends speech. But then he's will still has the
eddie and I'm like, you know what, and fuck the
system too, because they set us up for failure. Sometimes
that's the way it's gonna be. And he throws his
middle finger and he has the hell Fire Live shirt
that confetti when he's down, and like, they had this
really beautiful looking girl up like hey, like great speech,
and she's like I want to go full blue shi
you know analysts, and she like what and she like
walks away and they're all like you fucking blew it man.
And then she comes back and so invites them to
the party. That's great stuff too, and great little moment
where Mike realizes what the sonics like. I like that.
I almost wish they didn't do a flashback. I wish
she just like heard the speakers and then showed those
like mute and whatever. Power tea power speakers and then
leave it there. But it felt like it kind of
to me revealed like Okay, she had like she's alive right,
And it's probably because, like I didn't know the whole
vision thing, but the case she couldn't use her powers,
so it had to be something else. I think they
could have pulled back on that, So we'll see. But
overall that was good. Joyce and Hopper, great scene of
them getting at the graduation. Before getting ready, Jonathan's taking
the video his light. He's getting fucked up and he's like,
it's not it's not the Godfather. You get one more take.
Like he's back to being a grumpy old sheriff, but
he's at least happy and he's accepted everything. Him and
Joyce finally, I'm assuming, finally go to that restaurant that
they meant to go to in like season three. Uh,
they maybe have been there before, but still they're going here.
It's a big night, he proposes. She said, yes, they're
thinking about like moving and going and uh, let's see.
Kyler King says, uh, mostly love finale. I wish we
saw what happened to Vicki and more of the demo Gorgons.
Who the who am I freaking is Vicky? There's so
many characters stranger things? Is that Robin's girlfriend? That's the
stranger thing that Yeah, Okay, I mentioned that already. It
was very odd. It was super odd that she was
just not around for someone that's been in two seasons
now at that point, as someone wants their characters survive,
maybe you could just kill her off as like a
like if she's not gonna be driving away with Robin
at the end. Like it just it was odd that
she took up so much screen time. Again, that's like, go, well,
that's where I could say, yeah, too many characters, right,
but yeah, Joyce and hoppagain and engage maybe moving. That's
great that that's a good ending and really great scene too,
as far as as they established Mike is gonna be
they show Will at a bar. I thought they were
gonna have kiss the guy. I kind of wish they did,
but they're at a bar and a guy agreed. Some
of your kind of think that maybe it's someone could
be a boyfriend or something like that, right, uh. And
then they do this last scene where it's one last
D and D session all together and man, oh, boy. Sorry,
it took a little water there. I felt like you
could in my theater. You because I talked about this
with Emily, and then there's other people I talked about
with you. There was obviously a theory going around right
as far as what if the ending of this show.
It's all just it was one big D and D campaign,
And I said, am like that happens. I will give
this season a zero out of ten. I don't know
a little show. They'll give the zero a season zero ten.
I don't want that. I don't. I'm not always opposed to.
It was a dream ending or a you know, very
crazy out there ending, a big twist, but with this
and how long it's been, that would have been such
a slap in the face. So when they went to
that table and Mike is tell them the story, it
sounds very similar they're going through. You could feel people,
a few people shifting their chair, including myselfing like oh fuck, God, like,
don't don't make this like just this whole time these
people were friends telling the story right like that, there
was a worry, but no, that's when they Mike says
what he sees in the future and tells him his
theory about eleven again, it's a theory. I like to
think she's alive and a great moment where they all
put their book in, they're sad. His mom calls him
up who his mom and his dad survived. So I
met that's those are characters that I even said could
have died a couple episodes ago. So even myself was
like a god, good guys survive. I was even like,
h you can kill Mike's parents, That's fine. So I
imagine the crowd that really wanted people to die, like
fucking even the parents made it. Are you kidding me?
But you know, I was happy they hear some big scars.
She said, oh you're Then was cold, and they go
one by one they slide their books in, you know,
Will Mike, Lucas, Dustin, and then when Mike's walking up,
his like shoulder checks and all her friends fall. I'm like, oh,
you took so long. And they sit down there and
play a D and D. They show that her and
Derek are friends. I don't know if they're like a couple.
She just kind of leaned her head on them, so
it was that's kind of more of like a loving gesture.
But that's great where I don't want to. I don't
think this show needs to spin off. I know they're
doing it. I don't need to spin off with these
other characters. I don't cause I know there's people. When
we're leaving the you like, oh, is there end credits?
Like no, the same way it's like, we'll see what
happens with fucking Doomsday and secret Wars. But when endgame
ending with no ending credits, like yeah, sometimes the ending
is the ending. There need to be more. And obviously
it's a whole in a situation because there's a universe
in war, but at that times like yep, right there,
stop it. Same thing. The combook covers everything that'd be
the ending. Cool, stop it right there. We don't need anymore.
And to me, it's just like I don't need to
think that these characters are gonna go off and fight
more Demogords or a new threat. No, it's just that
they are carrying on the Hawkins tradition, Will Mike and
his friend's tradition. Like it's another you know, passing of
the torch type of moment. Right, So, for me, I
really liked that ending. I liked how some Ballock was
so yeah, I liked that. I liked all the endings
with everybody obviously, and I like, I really like Stephen
Jonathan's got to come to Jesus. Moment they're talking like, yeah,
my problems I thought they were you, but I was
just using you as like an allegory of that, and
Jonathan being like, you know what I've I kind of know,
I kind of know I didn't really have a shot
with there. And then he's like, and she also doesn't
want them, and that caought the theater big was the
whole don't say nuggets. Nuggets went also too. When Steve
fell and cut to black and then Jonathan caught him,
theater fucking erupted, not like Captain America catch a mill
in near sort of thing or the three Sparmen together,
but like a couple actors below the thing. And I
was like, like, I was like, oh, good moment, but
I was like, oh, people are Maybe it's just Steve
being saved. I don't know if it's Jonathan save to Steve.
I don't know if there's a ship between those two.
But it was a big moment that the crowd was rocking,
So uh, yeah, it was you know, and the good
The start was good. That was awesomely a lot more
of the action, a lot more the laying down the Okay,
it's eleven gunna sacrifice the herself if she's not pros
and cons. I'm trying to think there's anything big else
if because I get him near the end, if there's
any big moments I haven't talked about, or you want
me to touch upon, throw him out now really like
Vecna fucking with Hopper because that got me too. When
he goes there and he's showed him the vision, which
is great because he's loose, he's using the things that's
in Eleven's mind. Because that was a good sequence too,
where they go in there, they meet Max and like
whatever the dark places they're going through, all the memories,
there's that team time clock if we got thirty seconds,
the world's in a crash ons macs like just way,
I promise he's gonna show up. All of it goes
write well, and then what happens is to prove because
these kids think Henry's a good guy, right to proof
he's not. Let's show him attack Eleven, show me become
the monster. They run away. Eleven gets exposed, so he
can look at her memories and shows Hopper all this stuff, right,
that she's planning to sacrifice herself, all the stuff, which
also led to a very great speech later on where
it's just like, I understand like what you're saying here,
and I'll see this was the now she didn't actually
kill her so but she's just saying like, if I
have to do that, it's my choice. Like, you can't
keep comparing me to Sarah, even though you're my dad.
In a sense, Sarah didn't have a choice. I have
a choice. You have to respect that. And I like,
from that point on, Hopper was like, Okay, I don't
want her to die. I wish that's not the outcome,
but if she feels that's the best, then I have
to respect that. Because she she says, I'm not a
kid anymore, right, and that's why when everybody I know,
they're still just graduating. But when everybody complains, oh, they
look so much older. Yes, do they look older than
kids graduating. Sure, But for me, as a ninetiest kid,
we grew up with fucking thirty to forty year olds
playing teenagers. This is light years better than that, right,
as far as the ages and to me, it's like
Harry Potter when people say it's like that's you feel
when she says, I'm not a kid. You can believe
that because obviously in realize she's a pry and got
a kid, but like in this show, she's grown up, right,
So those together worked really well and that kind of
back and forth as far as you know, earlier and
later on. Let me see if there's anything else there.
You don't work out some stuff that's fine, like he
was funny, you know, as usual. Yeah, I'm trying to
think there's anything more because they don't a talk about
get in the future. Probably the geeks. I don't like
what you even watch or anything. But I'm trying to
think of anything. But I'll go chat for a little
bit here. Kyler King says, I choose to believe that
eleven reunites with their friends and family one day. Me too.
I think it's just like you let it blow down
and then you make content. I'm kind of in that
ending with you too. I like how the ending basically
that's use your imagination in the future where these characters go.
The show's all by imagination. Kids like kids be kids again. Yeah,
I agree, I was all to me, it was the
right and enough of being ambiguous, right, give you enough
to fill Like it's a pay coloring book with no color,
you can fill it in, but you don't know what
those colors are gonna be. But for me, the fact
that they're mostly gonna be happy going forward and get
to live lives good because after everything they've fucking been through,
they should get that they're just fucking kids, right, So
uh yeah, I'm trying to think. But and I'll say
too Vecna and the Big Spider Cegi, why this is
where it's like on the big screen. You need to
see it look fantastic when their chaser look fantastic, eleven
jump in there look fantastic. The textures some locations not
as good. But I am fine with with Like if
they're like, hey, we got a certain budget, we got
time limit, we're gonna make the backgrounds look good, or
the big fucking monster spider look good. What we're gonna pick,
we're picking that right, Or it's stuff like when Nancy's
running behind it inspired it looks a little iffy, right,
that stuff, But the actual design and look of it,
not saying it look like gall and realistic. But at
times it looked to me really like it looked like
there was times where it was seenless like, Okay, it
looks like it's actually there what you want, right, which
we've seen tons of CGI nowadays where that never happens,
or it looks it stands out right, moonnight Log, truck,
et cetera. So yeah, I'm trying to think. I thought
there was something in the memory spot. I was gonna say,
I tumbled the cave. You know, Holly, any other friends.
All that cave stuff with the kids was good. Yeah,
oh right, That's why I meant to say, is when
they showed hop when hot Vegner appears the hopper and
Hopper shoots Vectna and it goes through the tank and
hits eleven. I did think she was shot. I don't
think she was dying there because all the same, but
I thought she was shot. I was questioned how many bulltholes,
like how she gonna survive this? By the well, this
show you never know, right, But I I that did
get me. I thought for sure she was shot. So
then when he broke the k the tank and she
comes out and she's fine, looked down, It's like, oh, Christ,
you know, like such a heart sinking moment. Off he
got us, He fucking got us. And that's where good again,
A good smart villain, right. So yeah, I'm trying to
think if there's anything more, but I don't think so.
So for me, what would I rank this? I feel
for now where I'm gonna go. I will rewatch the
season is again one day, and I'll watch the show
game one day. I'm excited too with my kids because
Gwen one time I saw one season when she was younger,
and now she always wants to watch. But we're like, yeah,
you saw a couple of stuff you weren't supposed to,
you know, like you were in the room, and now
she's interested because she likes that typefore stuff. So I
will watch again. But for me, I think this season
is a nine. And this is where to me my
rankings and critiques and all that stuff. If I've always
said that, I get there's two scores, right, but the
score I'd given on a letter box or reviews is
my enjoyment of it. Right. You take all my averages,
I would say season one and season four are a
ten out of ten. I think season two is maybe
like an eight point five to nine after things there,
and then season three is a nine nine point five,
and then this is like probably a nine, right, because
I do think this ad maybe some of the lowest
lows that the show has done sometimes from writing point
of view, and I could argue you could have had
it going a little bit longer. That's one thing too.
I meant to say last week when myself, a lot
of people are like, hey, Will does this big speech
in him and Will are Mike doing it a fucking
moment like they're best friends. It's about him fall in love.
Like that's odd because you thought them hugging like let's
go to battle, that was it. But no, when they're
climbing the radio tower and they get that moment to
actually talk and all that's so good of like he
says like, oh, I didn't want to Like he's like,
all that came out wrong, and so you know what
I didn't mean like come out like that. That was fun,
as said humor, and it did go like we'll start
talking about here comes a big speech, and it really was.
It was right to the point and satisfying. All that
type of banter going up the radio town walking for
the most part, worked I thought there could have been
a little more urgency to get to Vecna and like
the abyss. But that's okay, Right, we are spending the
time with these characters. We love them, so we wanna,
you know, we want to experience them a little bit longer.
But like, no one's like they're not even doing a
fast walk like it one way, when Robin has to
be like, hey, love Bridge, you're starting to Stephen John
than get over here, it's like, yeah, fuck man, Like
guys like walk in now, you know, but I get it.
They're facing death. But that's where that episode last week is.
It works a little better now, right, will come up
for me, works a little bit better. So I'll see
how it sits. And there's gonna be other points of
people bring up where even like myself with that will
speech when pre people brought like hey, people don't overtly
know or even a Harmison know that Robin's gay, and
I said that as like, well there's another gay character
in the group. Why is such a big idea that's
what it's like or a big deal. I'm like, okay,
that does help me like that speech more, right, even
if I think the time is a little off, and
I don't know if it's the best written, you know
it works so for me, that's the thing where I
have to watch the season again. But that's where so
right now I'd give this a nine, and my final
score for the show wouldn't make sense because my score
is a ten. That doesn't make sense when I have
a ten, an eight point five, a nine point five,
a ten, and a nine right on average. I'm not
sure what that is someone could average out, but I'm
still going that. Sure, there were some seasons that weren't
a knockout. There was definitely in the season. As I
said before, it's good we were ending. There was some
repetition going on. But my enjoyment level as far as
like the highs of this season were very very high.
That's why I'd still put it above two. Had some
big hives, and especially it's the finale. To me, the
finale is overall just very satisfying two hours of fuck yeah.
I'm loving majority of this and they did a great
job right And I think over time this will even
feel better because it just sits with you and even
the stuff you just like a little bit of ah,
but this happened, and this happened as long as they
don't do like a fall right, but which they could
one day. I could see in twenty fifteen years of
new Igustranger things even just like move be right to
get eleving back of the crew and some stuff happens.
But uh yeah, for me, that's where I put the
shows a ten. I would put in a top ten.
H loved it since the beginning, multiple great seasons, great
performances of see some of them are kid actors, so
some of them are better than others, but that's okay
with their kids, and so for me, I was very
happy with the ending. I think, as I said before,
we had a little tourblence. But that's all that matters
if you can land the fucking plane, right. I've said
that with what is it with doomsday coming up? For
people that don't listen to my newscast, but to Avengers
and the people that bring them back, it's on the storylines,
and I go right now. For me, I'm in the Turblens.
I'm not excited by a lot of the things they're doing,
but if you can get in that theater and land
the plane, you can at least make me happen to
be okay. It was messy and I don't love everything.
I didn't love the crackers on this flight. The toilet
flush really loud, woke people up and will a baby
but cried. But we landed and overall was a smooth
ride and we're safe and we're onto our next trip.
You know, I think that's where I am. You know so,
and that's where Kyler King says. They don't think there
was a bad season the show. Some are better than others,
but they delivered, and that that's where I am. They
that is the title of this strange because the landing
and the airplane that's a travesing. I'm gonna start this
the same way Tras told you became a show. That's
as saying for me. But the so I didn't want
to put in that title. But my whole thing is
Stranger Thing series finale. Suppose if you did it deliver, Yes,
it did, Thank you very much everyone that was in
this massive audience watched. So thank you very much, Thank
you everyone that listened. I don't know where it's gonna be,
but already that Stranger Things episode from last week is
in our top fourteen right now and it's only been
out for like less than a week, and I appreciate
that very much, especially when it's just a sol cast
of myself doing this. So let me know there is
a Stranger Things channel. I was gonna say in our discord,
I might do like a when Tras told you returns
next week or whenever. I might do like a Redus,
like if we got box Office news, anything about that,
and if it's something to point out, it's some theories
with the creator think and even what you guys think,
join our discord. There's a Stranger there's a whole like
geek First channel, but then there's multiple other channels. Join
Stranger Things and there's something you disagree with, agree with,
something you want to send us a question, something you
want to push back on or just share more opinion on.
Please join there. It's a fun community. I just thanked
everyone in there today for the great year because I
had the most fun on the internet there. Shout a
Din for creating that. We got no assholes were We're inclusive.
We don't care what color you are, who you're fucking
what you're doing. If you love video games, if you
hate video games, you love movies, you love books, you
hate movies you hate book like, whatever your geek kink is,
per se, We're not there to judge. I fucking hate Pokemon.
I don't get anybody likes it. We got a Pokemon
channel for you there, right, and it's all funny games.
I recommend joining there and conversating because it's a great time.
It's sense of fun, and yeah, I'm excited to see
what everyone else thinks. And yeah, I'll probably do like
a reducks after and maybe follow up and see. But
for me, I was very happy with what you guys
did for as far as listening to the show, and
I was very happy with this, And yeah, I had
a fucking great time at the cinema. This was tons
of fun. Out to the family. We had a fun time.
It was great to be in a respectful, full crowd.
That's what the movies are about, and that's what luckily
the Stranger Things finale was about. Thank you very much, everybody.
If you're listening to Live, have a happy New Year's Eve,
and if you're listening today, happy twenty twenty six. Let's
have a great year, and I promise you it'll be
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