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Speaker 1: one is shocking because of the circumstances. Right we will
Speaker 1: get into all of the well, they're conspiracy theories in
Speaker 1: my mind, and I know it's too soon, and then
Speaker 1: Denise Huskins rule and all of that, but it just
Speaker 1: seems fishy. The family coming right out and saying that
Speaker 1: they believe it's carbon monoxide poisoning despite not really knowing
Speaker 1: what happened and not understanding the parameters of what the
Speaker 1: responding officers found right out of the gate is a
Speaker 1: little bit odd. But let's start with what we know
Speaker 1: about this thing right away. They are, as you heard
Speaker 1: Amy say, labeling this death as suspicious. Now, according to
Speaker 1: this search warrant Santa Fe. They live in Santa Fe,
Speaker 1: New Mexico. Beautiful home, sprawling estate. I think it was
Speaker 1: built in two thousand, So that also plays into the
Speaker 1: probably had working carbon monoxide detectors, but maybe not. You
Speaker 1: can probably find people to tell you that they need
Speaker 1: to be replaced in twenty five years. But this detective
Speaker 1: who got the search warrant wrote in his AffA David
Speaker 1: that he believes the death of Gene Hackman ninety five
Speaker 1: and his wife, who was much younger than him born
Speaker 1: in sixty one, actually younger than Gene Hackman's oldest son. Anyway,
Speaker 1: she and Gene Hackman both found dead, and the deputy
Speaker 1: believes it's suspicious enough in nature to require a thorough
Speaker 1: search and investigation because of these things that went down.
Speaker 1: The reporting party found the front door of this residence
Speaker 1: unsecured and opened. Deputies find this healthy dog running loose
Speaker 1: on the property, another healthy dog sniffing around near the
Speaker 1: body of the dead wife, and then a dead dog
Speaker 1: laying ten to fifteen feet from the wife in a
Speaker 1: closet of the bathroom. Now there's a pill bottle open
Speaker 1: near her body. Pills are scattered next to her body.
Speaker 1: Gene Hackman is found in a separate room of the residence,
Speaker 1: and this deputy notes in his Affidavid that there's no
Speaker 1: obvious signs of a gas leak, that they checked that out.
Speaker 1: The wife's name is Betsy Arakawa and she was found
Speaker 1: in the bathroom on the ground near the countertap a
Speaker 1: countertop lying on her right side. The deputy who responded
Speaker 1: sees this black space heater near her head, and he
Speaker 1: thinks that the heater could have fallen in the fact
Speaker 1: that in the event that she abruptly falls to the ground.
Speaker 1: But it's not out of the realm of possibility that
Speaker 1: there would be a space in a bathroom in February.
Speaker 1: I keep a space heater in my bathroom because it
Speaker 1: gets so cold when you get out of the shower.
Speaker 1: That's not a weird place for it to be, I
Speaker 1: don't think. Also odd is the fact that it looks
Speaker 1: like she has been dead for quite some time, that
Speaker 1: her body was in further stages of dcomp decomposition. So
Speaker 1: these pills are scattered on the countertop, and yes, she
Speaker 1: has been dead for some time. Her face is bloating.
Speaker 1: There's even mummification in her hands and feet. Now, Gene
Speaker 1: Hackman is found in a separate room off the kitchen.
Speaker 1: He's fully clothed. They suspect he may have suddenly fallen
Speaker 1: because his sunglasses are found next to the body, So
Speaker 1: in that regard, it sounds like it could have been
Speaker 1: carbon monoxide poisoning. Right, it's this slow leak that you
Speaker 1: don't even realize is happening, and you may not get
Speaker 1: any symptoms till it's too late, and then boom, you
Speaker 1: fall down your debt. That makes it. But the fact
Speaker 1: that the wife was in another part of the house
Speaker 1: that that's irrelevant. But she was badly decomposed, much more
Speaker 1: so than he was. Now it was a space heater on.
Speaker 1: We don't know. Does that speed up the decomposition process? Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm no doctor. We all know that, but does it
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem out of the realm of my pea
Speaker 1: brained thinking when it comes to that being a possibility.
Speaker 1: She dies and the space heater is on. Maybe they
Speaker 1: died a couple days ago, something like that. It could
Speaker 1: maybe speed up all that process. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: The fact that the dog was found in the closet
Speaker 1: is another thing that's interesting to me, because sometimes when
Speaker 1: pets are near death, they find places like closets, small areas,
Speaker 1: places tucked away, you know, this where they go to die.
Speaker 1: And was that something that had happened beforehand? Is that
Speaker 1: something that tipped all of this off? We don't know.
Speaker 1: The New Mexico Gas Company did go to the home,
Speaker 1: conducted testing on the gas lines in and around the house,
Speaker 1: and concluded as of now, there are no signs evidence
Speaker 1: there were or evidence indicating there were any problems associated
Speaker 1: to the pipes in and around the residents. The fire
Speaker 1: department also, so you've got the gas company, the fire department,
Speaker 1: and the police department all saying no signs of any
Speaker 1: sort of gas leak, no carbon monoxide leak. The dead dog,
Speaker 1: by the way, was a German shepherd found ten to
Speaker 1: fifteen feet from Betsy's body in that closet. And again
Speaker 1: two other dogs alive and healthy. Were they just outside
Speaker 1: when the carbon monoxide if that's the working theory was released,
Speaker 1: even though there's no evidence that that was the case.
Speaker 1: The family came out right away and said that they
Speaker 1: believed it was carbon monoxide poisoning. Now, maybe that's because
Speaker 1: that's what you want to believe, because it seems painless.
Speaker 1: It seems like the way you would want your father
Speaker 1: to go. These three kids, by the way, Gene Hackman's
Speaker 1: kids are all from a previous marriage. Jean and Betsy
Speaker 1: were married in nineteen ninety one. Again, she is early sixties,
Speaker 1: so in the pills. The other thing about the pills.
Speaker 1: Didn't she ingest the pills? What happened? You saw? Like
Speaker 1: recent pictures of Gene Hackman and his wife, he looks well,
Speaker 1: he's ninety five years old, but he doesn't look anything
Speaker 1: anything like himself from you from what you think, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think of Gene Hackman, and I think of Norman
Speaker 1: Dale and Hoosiers. I mean, who didn't want to jump
Speaker 1: out on the hardwood for that guy. When he gets
Speaker 1: into his whole speech of five players on the floor
Speaker 1: functioning is one single unit, You're like, yes, I want
Speaker 1: to be part of that team. His backstory, by the way,
Speaker 1: is fascinating. There was a quote I read from GQ
Speaker 1: magazine that did a profile on him back in twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: Michael Haney is the editor in chief of GQ magazine,
Speaker 1: and he did a profile on Gene Hackman and listened
Speaker 1: to this quote, and I think it sums it up perfectly.
Speaker 1: And we'll get into more of his obituary when we
Speaker 1: come back, but he says this about Gene Hackman. On
Speaker 1: one hand, he has the gravitas of the Lincoln Memorial.
Speaker 1: On the other he has the physical forgetability of that
Speaker 1: middle management guy. In the seat next to you on
Speaker 1: the flight from Rochester to Omaha. Isn't that perfect? Like
Speaker 1: what a wonderful, unassuming presence Gene Hackman had in the movies.
Speaker 1: The other thing I love about him is he's a
Speaker 1: late bloomer and his Hollywood story plays out the way
Speaker 1: Hollywood seemed like it played out in the seventies, in
Speaker 1: terms of who is friends, who lived together, how they
Speaker 1: got started. It's all very fascinting. I find it fascinating.
Speaker 1: We'll get into that. The President clarified the tariffs on
Speaker 1: imports from Canada and Mexico today. He did say that
Speaker 1: they would go into effect March fourth, as scheduled, so
Speaker 1: next week. He said that those countries still not doing
Speaker 1: enough to stop the flow of drugs into the United States.
Speaker 1: China will also face additional ten percent tariffs next week.
Speaker 1: The thing with Canada and Mexico and the drugs makes sense.
Speaker 1: There's just one little, well little thing. Canada doesn't really
Speaker 1: send US ventanyl. When you look at the numbers. Last year,
Speaker 1: US Customs intercepted about nineteen kilos of fentanyl at the
Speaker 1: Canadian US border nineteen compared with ninety six hundred at
Speaker 1: the border with Mexico, so apples and oranges there, so
Speaker 1: to speak. So we'll dig into what that all means,
Speaker 1: what the tariffs will mean for us when we talk
Speaker 1: swamp watch coming up at eleven.
Speaker 2: The British Prime Minister is going to be in town
Speaker 2: today too. Care Starmer is going to be a I
Speaker 2: was just.
Speaker 1: Going to say and refresh my recollection on who that is?
Speaker 1: Who's that guy kier Star?
Speaker 2: And then tomorrow is when Zelenski is supposed to come
Speaker 2: into town and sign the mineral assets accord that has
Speaker 2: apparently been worked out between the United States and Ukraine.
Speaker 1: So what's your take on this Gene Hackman situation.
Speaker 2: So I saw some of that same information and first blush.
Speaker 1: He was really out of it. Like they've been very quiet.
Speaker 2: I mean, the only picture that I think we've the
Speaker 2: most recent picture that we've seen of Gene Hackman was
Speaker 2: from March of last year when they were somewhere out
Speaker 2: at dinner in Santa Fe or something like that, and
Speaker 2: he looked like a ninety five year old guy. And
Speaker 2: like you said in the last segment, he didn't look
Speaker 2: anything like himself. He didn't have the same facial characteristics
Speaker 2: that you remember him from these dozens of movies, these
Speaker 2: iconic movies. But the way that you described it set
Speaker 2: it up like this, she had something happen. Suicide with
Speaker 2: the pills a possibility. Obviously, she had some sort of
Speaker 2: medical event and she dies, but he doesn't know it,
Speaker 2: and he eventually dies because there's no one there to
Speaker 2: help take care of him, don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know about this. What about the dog? The dog?
Speaker 2: Listen, the dog. You made a great observation. The dogs
Speaker 2: go into the corner when they're about to die. Maybe
Speaker 2: the dog gets a hold of some of the pills
Speaker 2: on the ground. She's right, because he wasn't too far
Speaker 2: away from that dog wasn't too far away from where
Speaker 2: she was.
Speaker 1: What do you think about the family coming out and
Speaker 1: saying it's carbon monoxide right away? What do you I.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't make any statement about anything at any time after
Speaker 2: my parents died. I mean, you're like you. I don't
Speaker 2: know how you would possibly come out and say. I mean,
Speaker 2: you may want to put to rest the idea that
Speaker 2: that someone broke in and murdered them, right, I mean
Speaker 2: that would be obvious you'd want to there's no and
Speaker 2: this is still not foul play. I mean, even if
Speaker 2: it is just a series of acts evidence, you know,
Speaker 2: over the course of it, it would appear if she
Speaker 2: was in fact in that state of decomposition more so
Speaker 2: than he was. That it occurred over the course of
Speaker 2: a of a few days. But I mean, you you
Speaker 2: pointed out one of the greatest, the absolute greatest sports
Speaker 2: movies I think that I've ever seen. If you put
Speaker 2: your effort in concentration into playing to your potential.
Speaker 1: To be the best that you can be, I don't
Speaker 1: care what the scoreboard says at the end of the game.
Speaker 1: In my book, we're going to be winners. Well okay, yes,
Speaker 1: slow clap, Oh my god, Shells, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 1: Let me hear it. I thought he thought that that
Speaker 1: movie was going to be a flop. That movie, by
Speaker 1: the way, I watch it probably once a year. It
Speaker 1: holds up. And if you need a little pick me up,
Speaker 1: a little go get them in your in your life,
Speaker 1: just throw on hoosiers. He was. They say, you know,
Speaker 1: a reluctant star. Whatever one of the reasons is. He
Speaker 1: was a rather late bloomer. He was thirty six before
Speaker 1: he broke through. And Bonnie and Clyde this was a
Speaker 1: role after he got After losing the part of mister
Speaker 1: Robinson in The Graduate, he lied about his age to
Speaker 1: get into the Marines. He was doing some work in California,
Speaker 1: New York. He lived with Dustin Hoffman, by the way,
Speaker 1: you know fellow Graduate star Dustin Hoffman. In New York.
Speaker 1: He was working odd jobs throughout his life, a truck driver,
Speaker 1: a doorman, before he was a steady actor. He said
Speaker 1: that in nineteen eighty eight, he said, neither Dustin nor
Speaker 1: myself looked like the leading men of that era, especially
Speaker 1: Dusty because he wasn't tall. We're constantly being told by
Speaker 1: acting teachers and casting directors that we were character actors,
Speaker 1: which of course means you're not attractive. Right If you're
Speaker 1: called a character actor, that means like you got a
Speaker 1: great personality. But exactly, he said, but you know, I
Speaker 1: still wanted to be an actor. He was from Illinois, Danville, Illinois,
Speaker 1: born in nineteen thirty. Parents divorced when he was an adolescent.
Speaker 1: Let's how sad this is his father, who was a
Speaker 1: printing press operator, just up and deserts the family one day.
Speaker 1: And Dustin Hoffman, even in recent interviews, can still remember
Speaker 1: his father's goodbye wave. He said, I hadn't realized how
Speaker 1: much one small gesture can mean. That was Gene Hackman.
Speaker 2: Remember that, you said, Dustin Hoffman, Oh, you're just talking
Speaker 2: about He said that lack of a father gave him
Speaker 2: his hard working drive. Mom had musical talent. His grandmother
Speaker 2: was was often sick and would live with the family,
Speaker 2: gave him a fondness for the arts. He said, I
Speaker 2: was too young to be left alone. She was too
Speaker 2: old to be left alone. So I became very close
Speaker 2: with his grandma. With Grandma, she was a great storyteller.
Speaker 1: Dustin Hoffman and Gene Hackman were, I guess their Their
Speaker 1: relationship was solidified when they were both acting at the
Speaker 1: Pasadena Playhouse. He had moved to Pasadena in fifty two
Speaker 1: to take up acting, and the two at the time
Speaker 1: were voted least likely to succeed. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if that was tongue in cheek, but they moved to
Speaker 1: New York together and they became friends with another struggling
Speaker 1: actor by the name of Robert Duval. Wow, they all
Speaker 1: scavenged for parts.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that when that his Bonnie and Clyde
Speaker 2: performances as Buck brought him an Oscar nomination. I know
Speaker 2: he'd been five times, but I didn't realize that was
Speaker 2: one of the nominations that he got.
Speaker 1: Here's a fun fact. He was the first choice for
Speaker 1: the role of Mike Brady on The Brady Bunch. Wow. Wow.
Speaker 1: You know when you hear those things about how different
Speaker 1: everything would be if like one person got a different role,
Speaker 1: how that would change your life, you know, like how
Speaker 1: different the Brady Bunch would be with Gene Hackman as
Speaker 1: Mike Brady.
Speaker 2: I think one of one of his other iconic roles
Speaker 2: for me was when he played Lex Luthor in the
Speaker 2: Original Superman with Christopher Reeve. Because he was he would
Speaker 2: yell out, he was the he was the creepiest, evil
Speaker 2: but happy guy the whole time, and then he would
Speaker 2: yell out miss test Smucker as his secretary would come out.
Speaker 2: I just remember that because that was That was one
Speaker 2: of those movies that when it came out on VHS tape,
Speaker 2: we had it and I would watch it over and
Speaker 2: over again.
Speaker 1: I loved him in the firm, I mean, how chilling
Speaker 1: the Royal Tannembaumbs was a fun, quirky turn for him
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: Uh, well, listen, this is one of those This is
Speaker 2: one of those guys. They have to do something about
Speaker 2: him for the Oscars coming up on Sunday. I don't
Speaker 2: know if they have a lot of time to turn
Speaker 2: it around, but hopefully people pay pay him the respect
Speaker 2: that he is he deserves.
Speaker 1: If Hollywood can't put together a quick oh bit for
Speaker 1: Gene Hackman in a series of days, and they should
Speaker 1: just shut down the whole place.
Speaker 2: Right, that's a good point. Do you see this new
Speaker 2: book that's coming out from Jake Tapper?
Speaker 1: I did. I heard something about it. It's all about
Speaker 1: the Biden cover up, right, which is a lot of it.
Speaker 2: There's rich irony for Jake Tapper to be one of
Speaker 2: those guys that's writing this. The other one is Axios
Speaker 2: correspondent Alex Thompson.
Speaker 1: They talk about.
Speaker 2: It's called Original Sin, President Biden's decline, It's cover up
Speaker 2: and his disastrous choice to run again.
Speaker 1: Funny title. It's going to be released on May twentieth.
Speaker 2: They'd said that they tackle exactly what led to the
Speaker 2: Democratic Party's defeat last year, with a spotlight on the
Speaker 2: decision to run for reelection and the subsequent dropout in favor.
Speaker 1: Of his vice president, Kamala Harris. Well, we chronicled all
Speaker 1: that in real time. I mean, give me a bombshell,
Speaker 1: give me something that we didn't know. I mean, you
Speaker 1: and I sat there and saw it with our own
Speaker 1: eyes for months and said, what the hell? What are
Speaker 1: we doing here? And I want to know who ooh,
Speaker 1: was the ring master or several ring masters of just
Speaker 1: playing this weekend at Bernie's. Everything's fine here, put sunglasses
Speaker 1: on him, put the ray bands on and prop them
Speaker 1: up next to that podium, and open the door when
Speaker 1: he's got to leave so he doesn't need to figure
Speaker 1: out how to work a doorknob and all of it.
Speaker 1: I mean that, that to me is almost on a
Speaker 1: criminal level of keeping a president's health and mental acuity secret,
Speaker 1: and even not even secret, but knowing it's in degradation
Speaker 1: and hiding.
Speaker 2: That well, and what I mean, it's not like it
Speaker 2: hasn't happened before with other presidents.
Speaker 1: We've seen that happen before, sure, but it was a
Speaker 1: different time with Reagan when he was well, when he
Speaker 1: was nuts. That's also not good. When Reagan was e
Speaker 1: rose of dementia and Nancy ran basically that second presidency,
Speaker 1: it wasn't twenty twenty five. We didn't have the twenty
Speaker 1: four hour media, there wasn't the access to the president.
Speaker 1: It just it was a different time, was it right, No,
Speaker 1: Did it happen before then, probably, but I think we
Speaker 1: all saw it. Yeah, and your point that it didn't.
Speaker 2: In the eighties, it didn't take much for the White
Speaker 2: House to control that message, whereas in twenty twenty four
Speaker 2: they had to have a lot of reporters and media
Speaker 2: outlets that were complicit in that to keep that to
Speaker 2: continue that story. I don't They obviously didn't do a
Speaker 2: very good job at keeping anything secret, but at least
Speaker 2: they were continuing this story. Everything's fine. You should see
Speaker 2: him behind closed doors. He's a spitfire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a lying thing. You know, nobody was
Speaker 1: gonna say that Joe Biden wasn't well. There will be
Speaker 1: people that say Joe Biden is not a good person,
Speaker 1: but nobody was hate Again, there will be people that
Speaker 1: hated on Joe Biden. But the thing is is he's
Speaker 1: not a hateable guy. You know, nobody was. It was
Speaker 1: the lies. It was just come out and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: we love Joe Biden, but he is clearly not all.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you put that delicately, but it
Speaker 1: can be done. There's people that are paid well to
Speaker 1: put that delicately. He's not going to be our candidate
Speaker 1: moving forward. Just be honest, because when you plant those
Speaker 1: seeds of dishonesty as a politician or as an administration,
Speaker 1: it's hard to come back from that.
Speaker 2: So new Attorney General Pam Bondi was on Jesse see
Speaker 2: Waters show I think it was last night on Fox and.
Speaker 3: Said, you're going to see some Epstein information being released
Speaker 3: by my office. What you're going to see is a
Speaker 3: lot of flight logs, a lot of names, a lot
Speaker 3: a lot of information. But it's pretty sick what that
Speaker 3: man did.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm glad you went on Jesse Waters to announce that,
Speaker 1: because that is straight from the water is wet file, Like,
Speaker 1: we know what Jeffrey Epstein does and it is disgusting
Speaker 1: and it's always made us sick. Tell us more about
Speaker 1: those names. Are we going to get new names?
Speaker 2: Well, so she says pretty sick what that man did
Speaker 2: along with his co defendant. That was the piece I
Speaker 2: cut off, which means I assume that she's got information
Speaker 2: about Dlainne Maxwell. Now Ghlaine Maxwell was often the one
Speaker 2: credited or blamed with holding the little Black Book, that
Speaker 2: she's the one who has the list of names of
Speaker 2: people who are allegedly involved in all of this. This
Speaker 2: all comes right after the Senator from Tennessee, Marsha Blackburn,
Speaker 2: wrote to the FBI director, the new one, Cash Betel,
Speaker 2: and the AG and requested the release of a bunch
Speaker 2: of relevant information, including flight logs from the jets and
Speaker 2: from the helicopters, and Galainne Maxwell's Little Black Book.
Speaker 1: So we haven't seen any of it yet. Listen.
Speaker 2: It could be it could be Rachel Maddow and the
Speaker 2: tax of tax paper. I mean, it could be nothing,
Speaker 2: but there could also be some pretty significant names of
Speaker 2: people in there who we would all recognize.
Speaker 1: You weren't on that plane, were you?
Speaker 2: It was not on that plane. I was stuck in traffic.
Speaker 2: If that's what you're asking.
Speaker 1: What how about the traffic? What was the hold up?
Speaker 1: Was there an accident?
Speaker 2: I left later than usual today, but it was a
Speaker 2: couple of accidents in the exact l long spot to
Speaker 2: the point where you know, there's one choke point for
Speaker 2: me where I can only go on one roadway that's
Speaker 2: the only there's no sides, there's no I gotta go
Speaker 2: on that one.
Speaker 1: But once I get.
Speaker 2: Past that, the world is my oyster, as the Ways
Speaker 2: Traffic app might tell me. But it also took an
Speaker 2: hour and twenty seven minutes to get to work today.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, so that's usually like a half.
Speaker 2: Hour drive, right yep? Oh, yeah, which is fine. It's fine.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you not being in a foul mood.
Speaker 1: You sound like I mean sometimes if if my traffic's
Speaker 1: gonna triple like that, I'm not in the best. What
Speaker 1: am I going to do about it? I'm not nothing.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly the attitude you should have.
Speaker 2: I mean, I may drink later, but I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: drink now. That'd be crazy.
Speaker 1: I think there's still some fireball in the medicine cabin.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, that's a good idea.
Speaker 2: We haven't checked in on the Brian Coberger, Idaho murders
Speaker 2: case in a while. They the defense has dropped. It's
Speaker 2: described in the headline as a bombshell. This is not
Speaker 2: a bombshell. It's interesting, but nobody was like, what this
Speaker 2: guy has?
Speaker 1: What? I was excited to hear that Idaho does have
Speaker 1: the Firing Squad as an option. That's fun. They still do.
Speaker 2: Guess who's got a new podcast, wrong, Gavin Newsom. Gavin
Speaker 2: Newsom is a new podcast. The next hour at ten thirty,
Speaker 2: We're going to talk more about this what he says
Speaker 2: he's going to be doing with this podcast. This is
Speaker 2: not the same one that he was doing with Marshawn Lynch,
Speaker 2: but it is. It is going to be available on
Speaker 2: the same places that you find the Gary and Shannon
Speaker 2: Show podcast. Columbine High School near Denver had to be
Speaker 2: evacuated and actually closed yesterday. There was a fire outside
Speaker 2: the wood shop area of Columbine High School, which raises
Speaker 2: the question to the still have wood shop in high schools?
Speaker 1: Apparently chaos some places do. I mean, you know when
Speaker 1: when wood shop and auto shop and the art programs
Speaker 1: go by the wayside, so much is lost, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're electives, but there's a reason why electives are important. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I totally agree.
Speaker 2: We had wood shop in junior high and we had
Speaker 2: auto shop and metal shop even in high school, but
Speaker 2: I don't even think those are.
Speaker 1: Still there anymore. My brother didn't give a little frisky
Speaker 1: this morning. My wife said, Oh, because you relate to work,
Speaker 1: So he's implying that you got a little you know,
Speaker 1: stop doing that.
Speaker 2: I can hear your hands, I can hear them.
Speaker 1: Good for you.
Speaker 2: Way to start off this Thursday, anyways?
Speaker 1: Way to go? Stop you keeping it fresh university? Go ahead?
Speaker 1: Your brother? What your brother did? Oh? I was just
Speaker 1: gonna say, my brother could care less about algebra, geometry
Speaker 1: or Spanish or whatever, but he excelled in things like
Speaker 1: wood shop and auto shop and he ended up working
Speaker 1: with his hands and all of that. And if he
Speaker 1: didn't have that in high school, you would feel so much.
Speaker 1: What am I doing here? Yeah? You know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: we all our minds don't work alike. We're not all
Speaker 1: academically minded. So when you remove things that like people
Speaker 1: actually do for work, you know, with their hands and
Speaker 1: all of that, it removes such an important part of
Speaker 1: learning and figuring out where you're going to fit in
Speaker 1: the world and what you're going to do and what
Speaker 1: you're good at. Yeah, and he has become a noble tradesman,
Speaker 1: my brother. Yeah, wouldn't you describe him that way? A
Speaker 1: noble tradesman. I feel like we're at the Renaissance fair. Now,
Speaker 1: but yes, I would.
Speaker 2: University of Idaho murder suspect Brian Koberger's defense team has
Speaker 2: dropped what they're describing as a bombshell claim because they're
Speaker 2: trying to fight the death penalty there in the state
Speaker 2: of Idaho. Of course, this is the story of November
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, when four close knit friends were murdered
Speaker 2: in their home there I think one of them was visiting,
Speaker 2: but murdered in a home in Moscow, Idaho, just outside
Speaker 2: a University of Idaho campus, and the thirty year old
Speaker 2: criminology student, Brian Coberger was the one charged with the murders.
Speaker 2: He is a former heroin addict who became a criminology
Speaker 2: major and was studying criminology and all elements of criminology
Speaker 2: when these murders took place. They have cell phone information
Speaker 2: that at least puts him in the vicinity of the murders.
Speaker 2: They had apparently some social media contact maybe that he
Speaker 2: had made with at least one of the victims. And
Speaker 2: here's the thing, there's pretty much cut and dried evidence
Speaker 2: that he is the only one that was capable of
Speaker 2: and did these murders. But now they're.
Speaker 1: Saying Autism is not an excuse for taking the death
Speaker 1: penalty off the table. We all know autistic people. It
Speaker 1: does not lend them even a little bit more into
Speaker 1: getting into the game of murder. Yeah, it's the defense,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's the old go ahead. Oh,
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, it's the old I had
Speaker 1: a bad childhood defense, right, had a horrible childhood. My
Speaker 1: father was abusive, I had you know, the cycle repeats itself,
Speaker 1: and that's why I beat my wife till she died.
Speaker 1: Autism does not hold that kind of it just it
Speaker 1: doesn't work that way. You know that the bad childhood
Speaker 1: defense will work because it's a jury of your peers
Speaker 1: and everyone thinks. Not everyone, but some people think, oh
Speaker 1: I get it. You know, I can see where that
Speaker 1: would happen. That was the example that he had autism.
Speaker 1: I think we all know somebody with autism now, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't make you any more murdery to be autistic.
Speaker 2: Well, and in this case, they're not even necessarily using
Speaker 2: it as a defense from the murder. They're just trying
Speaker 2: to get the death penalty off of the table because
Speaker 2: their defense motion was filed. It's called to strike the
Speaker 2: death penalty regarding autism spectrum disorder. Now, the prosecutor argued
Speaker 2: in an unsealed filing that under idahole law, mental conditions
Speaker 2: shall not be a defense to any charge of criminal conduct,
Speaker 2: except expert evidence on the issues of any state of mind,
Speaker 2: which is an element of the offense. So they're kind
Speaker 2: of arguing different things there. Again, the defense just wants
Speaker 2: the They're not using autism as a defense against the
Speaker 2: murder charge. They're using it as a way to try
Speaker 2: to get the death penalty off of the table if
Speaker 2: that if they can even do that.
Speaker 1: The families of the families of Long publicly called for
Speaker 1: the death penalty for the firing squad. Firing squad, by
Speaker 1: the way, in Idaho became an alternative method of execution
Speaker 1: just last year because they had a shortage of lethal
Speaker 1: injection drugs. It's not the primary execution method. No inmate
Speaker 1: has been put to death since it was interd and
Speaker 1: there is a bill making its way to change that,
Speaker 1: by the way, and the families are trying to get
Speaker 1: that bill across the line. If you wanted someone to
Speaker 1: be killed by the government, how would you choose for
Speaker 1: them to be killed? Snakes That's a loaded question and
Speaker 1: we're up against a break, so we'll address it later. Hi.
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