WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.919 This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI 2 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:05.839 AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand 3 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:09.119 on the iHeartRadio app. Gary and Shannon Show, I Am 4 00:00:09.160 --> 00:00:13.560 six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. And this 5 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:18.600 one is shocking because of the circumstances. Right we will 6 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:22.800 get into all of the well, they're conspiracy theories in 7 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:25.679 my mind, and I know it's too soon, and then 8 00:00:25.879 --> 00:00:29.079 Denise Huskins rule and all of that, but it just 9 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:32.600 seems fishy. The family coming right out and saying that 10 00:00:32.759 --> 00:00:37.240 they believe it's carbon monoxide poisoning despite not really knowing 11 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:41.079 what happened and not understanding the parameters of what the 12 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:43.880 responding officers found right out of the gate is a 13 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:46.719 little bit odd. But let's start with what we know 14 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:50.679 about this thing right away. They are, as you heard 15 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:55.200 Amy say, labeling this death as suspicious. Now, according to 16 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:58.479 this search warrant Santa Fe. They live in Santa Fe, 17 00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:01.880 New Mexico. Beautiful home, sprawling estate. I think it was 18 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:05.760 built in two thousand, So that also plays into the 19 00:01:05.840 --> 00:01:09.879 probably had working carbon monoxide detectors, but maybe not. You 20 00:01:09.959 --> 00:01:12.239 can probably find people to tell you that they need 21 00:01:12.280 --> 00:01:16.359 to be replaced in twenty five years. But this detective 22 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:19.920 who got the search warrant wrote in his AffA David 23 00:01:20.319 --> 00:01:23.799 that he believes the death of Gene Hackman ninety five 24 00:01:24.040 --> 00:01:27.840 and his wife, who was much younger than him born 25 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:33.359 in sixty one, actually younger than Gene Hackman's oldest son. Anyway, 26 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:37.920 she and Gene Hackman both found dead, and the deputy 27 00:01:37.959 --> 00:01:41.959 believes it's suspicious enough in nature to require a thorough 28 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:48.280 search and investigation because of these things that went down. 29 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:52.000 The reporting party found the front door of this residence 30 00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:58.239 unsecured and opened. Deputies find this healthy dog running loose 31 00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:02.680 on the property, another healthy dog sniffing around near the 32 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:06.519 body of the dead wife, and then a dead dog 33 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:10.520 laying ten to fifteen feet from the wife in a 34 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:17.120 closet of the bathroom. Now there's a pill bottle open 35 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:21.120 near her body. Pills are scattered next to her body. 36 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:25.919 Gene Hackman is found in a separate room of the residence, 37 00:02:26.759 --> 00:02:31.360 and this deputy notes in his Affidavid that there's no 38 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:34.759 obvious signs of a gas leak, that they checked that out. 39 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:39.400 The wife's name is Betsy Arakawa and she was found 40 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:42.800 in the bathroom on the ground near the countertap a 41 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:46.680 countertop lying on her right side. The deputy who responded 42 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:50.599 sees this black space heater near her head, and he 43 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:52.960 thinks that the heater could have fallen in the fact 44 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:56.400 that in the event that she abruptly falls to the ground. 45 00:02:57.120 --> 00:02:59.199 But it's not out of the realm of possibility that 46 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:02.599 there would be a space in a bathroom in February. 47 00:03:03.240 --> 00:03:06.639 I keep a space heater in my bathroom because it 48 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:08.400 gets so cold when you get out of the shower. 49 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:10.800 That's not a weird place for it to be, I 50 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:14.759 don't think. Also odd is the fact that it looks 51 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:18.759 like she has been dead for quite some time, that 52 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:23.879 her body was in further stages of dcomp decomposition. So 53 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:26.759 these pills are scattered on the countertop, and yes, she 54 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:30.080 has been dead for some time. Her face is bloating. 55 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:34.759 There's even mummification in her hands and feet. Now, Gene 56 00:03:34.840 --> 00:03:38.319 Hackman is found in a separate room off the kitchen. 57 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:42.960 He's fully clothed. They suspect he may have suddenly fallen 58 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:46.240 because his sunglasses are found next to the body, So 59 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:48.680 in that regard, it sounds like it could have been 60 00:03:48.919 --> 00:03:52.639 carbon monoxide poisoning. Right, it's this slow leak that you 61 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:55.599 don't even realize is happening, and you may not get 62 00:03:55.599 --> 00:03:57.719 any symptoms till it's too late, and then boom, you 63 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:01.319 fall down your debt. That makes it. But the fact 64 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:03.599 that the wife was in another part of the house 65 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:08.800 that that's irrelevant. But she was badly decomposed, much more 66 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:12.240 so than he was. Now it was a space heater on. 67 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:17.879 We don't know. Does that speed up the decomposition process? Listen, 68 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:22.720 I'm no doctor. We all know that, but does it 69 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:25.399 It doesn't seem out of the realm of my pea 70 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:28.800 brained thinking when it comes to that being a possibility. 71 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:32.920 She dies and the space heater is on. Maybe they 72 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:35.920 died a couple days ago, something like that. It could 73 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:38.439 maybe speed up all that process. I have no idea. 74 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:41.040 The fact that the dog was found in the closet 75 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:46.360 is another thing that's interesting to me, because sometimes when 76 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:51.560 pets are near death, they find places like closets, small areas, 77 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:56.800 places tucked away, you know, this where they go to die. 78 00:04:57.399 --> 00:05:02.720 And was that something that had happened beforehand? Is that 79 00:05:02.839 --> 00:05:06.560 something that tipped all of this off? We don't know. 80 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:11.600 The New Mexico Gas Company did go to the home, 81 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:15.199 conducted testing on the gas lines in and around the house, 82 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:19.079 and concluded as of now, there are no signs evidence 83 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:23.759 there were or evidence indicating there were any problems associated 84 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:26.199 to the pipes in and around the residents. The fire 85 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:28.920 department also, so you've got the gas company, the fire department, 86 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:32.079 and the police department all saying no signs of any 87 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:36.879 sort of gas leak, no carbon monoxide leak. The dead dog, 88 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:38.920 by the way, was a German shepherd found ten to 89 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:42.439 fifteen feet from Betsy's body in that closet. And again 90 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:45.839 two other dogs alive and healthy. Were they just outside 91 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:49.879 when the carbon monoxide if that's the working theory was released, 92 00:05:49.879 --> 00:05:52.600 even though there's no evidence that that was the case. 93 00:05:54.079 --> 00:05:58.040 The family came out right away and said that they 94 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:01.519 believed it was carbon monoxide poisoning. Now, maybe that's because 95 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:05.000 that's what you want to believe, because it seems painless. 96 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:07.319 It seems like the way you would want your father 97 00:06:07.439 --> 00:06:10.519 to go. These three kids, by the way, Gene Hackman's 98 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:14.319 kids are all from a previous marriage. Jean and Betsy 99 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:20.160 were married in nineteen ninety one. Again, she is early sixties, 100 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:24.959 so in the pills. The other thing about the pills. 101 00:06:25.319 --> 00:06:28.040 Didn't she ingest the pills? What happened? You saw? Like 102 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:31.560 recent pictures of Gene Hackman and his wife, he looks well, 103 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:33.959 he's ninety five years old, but he doesn't look anything 104 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:37.959 anything like himself from you from what you think, I mean, 105 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:40.439 I think of Gene Hackman, and I think of Norman 106 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:43.800 Dale and Hoosiers. I mean, who didn't want to jump 107 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:45.800 out on the hardwood for that guy. When he gets 108 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:48.079 into his whole speech of five players on the floor 109 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:50.759 functioning is one single unit, You're like, yes, I want 110 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:54.920 to be part of that team. His backstory, by the way, 111 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:59.360 is fascinating. There was a quote I read from GQ 112 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:03.480 magazine that did a profile on him back in twenty eleven. 113 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:06.639 Michael Haney is the editor in chief of GQ magazine, 114 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:10.600 and he did a profile on Gene Hackman and listened 115 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:12.759 to this quote, and I think it sums it up perfectly. 116 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:14.639 And we'll get into more of his obituary when we 117 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:19.360 come back, but he says this about Gene Hackman. On 118 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:22.360 one hand, he has the gravitas of the Lincoln Memorial. 119 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:26.079 On the other he has the physical forgetability of that 120 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:28.639 middle management guy. In the seat next to you on 121 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:32.839 the flight from Rochester to Omaha. Isn't that perfect? Like 122 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:38.040 what a wonderful, unassuming presence Gene Hackman had in the movies. 123 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:40.279 The other thing I love about him is he's a 124 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:46.000 late bloomer and his Hollywood story plays out the way 125 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:49.319 Hollywood seemed like it played out in the seventies, in 126 00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:52.120 terms of who is friends, who lived together, how they 127 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:55.000 got started. It's all very fascinting. I find it fascinating. 128 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:58.720 We'll get into that. The President clarified the tariffs on 129 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:01.920 imports from Canada and Mexico today. He did say that 130 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:04.639 they would go into effect March fourth, as scheduled, so 131 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:08.480 next week. He said that those countries still not doing 132 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:11.519 enough to stop the flow of drugs into the United States. 133 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:15.839 China will also face additional ten percent tariffs next week. 134 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:19.680 The thing with Canada and Mexico and the drugs makes sense. 135 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:23.920 There's just one little, well little thing. Canada doesn't really 136 00:08:23.959 --> 00:08:27.879 send US ventanyl. When you look at the numbers. Last year, 137 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:33.000 US Customs intercepted about nineteen kilos of fentanyl at the 138 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:38.399 Canadian US border nineteen compared with ninety six hundred at 139 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:42.960 the border with Mexico, so apples and oranges there, so 140 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:45.559 to speak. So we'll dig into what that all means, 141 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:47.480 what the tariffs will mean for us when we talk 142 00:08:47.559 --> 00:08:49.480 swamp watch coming up at eleven. 143 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:51.120 The British Prime Minister is going to be in town 144 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:54.000 today too. Care Starmer is going to be a I 145 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:54.279 was just. 146 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:57.200 Going to say and refresh my recollection on who that is? 147 00:08:57.240 --> 00:08:58.480 Who's that guy kier Star? 148 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:02.320 And then tomorrow is when Zelenski is supposed to come 149 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:08.320 into town and sign the mineral assets accord that has 150 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:12.000 apparently been worked out between the United States and Ukraine. 151 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:15.200 So what's your take on this Gene Hackman situation. 152 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:21.200 So I saw some of that same information and first blush. 153 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:28.559 He was really out of it. Like they've been very quiet. 154 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:30.720 I mean, the only picture that I think we've the 155 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:32.919 most recent picture that we've seen of Gene Hackman was 156 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:35.840 from March of last year when they were somewhere out 157 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:38.720 at dinner in Santa Fe or something like that, and 158 00:09:38.960 --> 00:09:40.600 he looked like a ninety five year old guy. And 159 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:42.799 like you said in the last segment, he didn't look 160 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:46.440 anything like himself. He didn't have the same facial characteristics 161 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:50.039 that you remember him from these dozens of movies, these 162 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:53.919 iconic movies. But the way that you described it set 163 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:59.399 it up like this, she had something happen. Suicide with 164 00:09:59.480 --> 00:10:02.360 the pills a possibility. Obviously, she had some sort of 165 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:06.039 medical event and she dies, but he doesn't know it, 166 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:12.360 and he eventually dies because there's no one there to 167 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:14.559 help take care of him, don't. 168 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:16.480 I don't know about this. What about the dog? The dog? 169 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:19.879 Listen, the dog. You made a great observation. The dogs 170 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:22.720 go into the corner when they're about to die. Maybe 171 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:24.200 the dog gets a hold of some of the pills 172 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:28.200 on the ground. She's right, because he wasn't too far 173 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:31.480 away from that dog wasn't too far away from where 174 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:31.919 she was. 175 00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:34.200 What do you think about the family coming out and 176 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:36.720 saying it's carbon monoxide right away? What do you I. 177 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:41.399 Wouldn't make any statement about anything at any time after 178 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:44.080 my parents died. I mean, you're like you. I don't 179 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:46.840 know how you would possibly come out and say. I mean, 180 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:49.039 you may want to put to rest the idea that 181 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:51.399 that someone broke in and murdered them, right, I mean 182 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:54.679 that would be obvious you'd want to there's no and 183 00:10:55.960 --> 00:10:58.600 this is still not foul play. I mean, even if 184 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:00.480 it is just a series of acts evidence, you know, 185 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:02.720 over the course of it, it would appear if she 186 00:11:02.960 --> 00:11:06.039 was in fact in that state of decomposition more so 187 00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:08.360 than he was. That it occurred over the course of 188 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:10.879 a of a few days. But I mean, you you 189 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:16.080 pointed out one of the greatest, the absolute greatest sports 190 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:17.919 movies I think that I've ever seen. If you put 191 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:20.919 your effort in concentration into playing to your potential. 192 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:22.440 To be the best that you can be, I don't 193 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:24.559 care what the scoreboard says at the end of the game. 194 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:30.639 In my book, we're going to be winners. Well okay, yes, 195 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:41.720 slow clap, Oh my god, Shells, let's go, let's go. 196 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:49.399 Let me hear it. I thought he thought that that 197 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:51.360 movie was going to be a flop. That movie, by 198 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:53.279 the way, I watch it probably once a year. It 199 00:11:53.320 --> 00:11:55.679 holds up. And if you need a little pick me up, 200 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:57.639 a little go get them in your in your life, 201 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:01.840 just throw on hoosiers. He was. They say, you know, 202 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:04.879 a reluctant star. Whatever one of the reasons is. He 203 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:09.200 was a rather late bloomer. He was thirty six before 204 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:12.600 he broke through. And Bonnie and Clyde this was a 205 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:15.559 role after he got After losing the part of mister 206 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:19.440 Robinson in The Graduate, he lied about his age to 207 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:24.600 get into the Marines. He was doing some work in California, 208 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:27.440 New York. He lived with Dustin Hoffman, by the way, 209 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:31.320 you know fellow Graduate star Dustin Hoffman. In New York. 210 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:35.159 He was working odd jobs throughout his life, a truck driver, 211 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:41.759 a doorman, before he was a steady actor. He said 212 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:44.559 that in nineteen eighty eight, he said, neither Dustin nor 213 00:12:44.600 --> 00:12:47.120 myself looked like the leading men of that era, especially 214 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:50.240 Dusty because he wasn't tall. We're constantly being told by 215 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:53.679 acting teachers and casting directors that we were character actors, 216 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:57.080 which of course means you're not attractive. Right If you're 217 00:12:57.120 --> 00:12:58.960 called a character actor, that means like you got a 218 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:04.440 great personality. But exactly, he said, but you know, I 219 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:09.440 still wanted to be an actor. He was from Illinois, Danville, Illinois, 220 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:13.000 born in nineteen thirty. Parents divorced when he was an adolescent. 221 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:15.440 Let's how sad this is his father, who was a 222 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:19.559 printing press operator, just up and deserts the family one day. 223 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:25.440 And Dustin Hoffman, even in recent interviews, can still remember 224 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:29.320 his father's goodbye wave. He said, I hadn't realized how 225 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:33.120 much one small gesture can mean. That was Gene Hackman. 226 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:36.799 Remember that, you said, Dustin Hoffman, Oh, you're just talking 227 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:39.240 about He said that lack of a father gave him 228 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:43.279 his hard working drive. Mom had musical talent. His grandmother 229 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:45.559 was was often sick and would live with the family, 230 00:13:45.879 --> 00:13:48.360 gave him a fondness for the arts. He said, I 231 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:50.320 was too young to be left alone. She was too 232 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:52.320 old to be left alone. So I became very close 233 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:55.720 with his grandma. With Grandma, she was a great storyteller. 234 00:13:57.399 --> 00:14:02.840 Dustin Hoffman and Gene Hackman were, I guess their Their 235 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:05.480 relationship was solidified when they were both acting at the 236 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:08.879 Pasadena Playhouse. He had moved to Pasadena in fifty two 237 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:11.480 to take up acting, and the two at the time 238 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:13.960 were voted least likely to succeed. And I don't know 239 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:16.879 if that was tongue in cheek, but they moved to 240 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:20.360 New York together and they became friends with another struggling 241 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:26.720 actor by the name of Robert Duval. Wow, they all 242 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:28.080 scavenged for parts. 243 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:33.919 I didn't realize that when that his Bonnie and Clyde 244 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:38.879 performances as Buck brought him an Oscar nomination. I know 245 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:41.080 he'd been five times, but I didn't realize that was 246 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:42.639 one of the nominations that he got. 247 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:45.240 Here's a fun fact. He was the first choice for 248 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:49.960 the role of Mike Brady on The Brady Bunch. Wow. Wow. 249 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:53.000 You know when you hear those things about how different 250 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:55.919 everything would be if like one person got a different role, 251 00:14:56.360 --> 00:14:59.240 how that would change your life, you know, like how 252 00:14:59.240 --> 00:15:01.639 different the Brady Bunch would be with Gene Hackman as 253 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:02.440 Mike Brady. 254 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:06.519 I think one of one of his other iconic roles 255 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:09.120 for me was when he played Lex Luthor in the 256 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:13.879 Original Superman with Christopher Reeve. Because he was he would 257 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:18.080 yell out, he was the he was the creepiest, evil 258 00:15:18.279 --> 00:15:20.600 but happy guy the whole time, and then he would 259 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:24.399 yell out miss test Smucker as his secretary would come out. 260 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:26.759 I just remember that because that was That was one 261 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:30.000 of those movies that when it came out on VHS tape, 262 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:31.759 we had it and I would watch it over and 263 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:32.320 over again. 264 00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:35.440 I loved him in the firm, I mean, how chilling 265 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:39.120 the Royal Tannembaumbs was a fun, quirky turn for him 266 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:39.840 as well. 267 00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:42.639 Uh, well, listen, this is one of those This is 268 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:45.600 one of those guys. They have to do something about 269 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:48.120 him for the Oscars coming up on Sunday. I don't 270 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:49.360 know if they have a lot of time to turn 271 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:52.639 it around, but hopefully people pay pay him the respect 272 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:54.000 that he is he deserves. 273 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:57.360 If Hollywood can't put together a quick oh bit for 274 00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:00.519 Gene Hackman in a series of days, and they should 275 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:01.879 just shut down the whole place. 276 00:16:01.799 --> 00:16:03.919 Right, that's a good point. Do you see this new 277 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:05.879 book that's coming out from Jake Tapper? 278 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:09.240 I did. I heard something about it. It's all about 279 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:12.039 the Biden cover up, right, which is a lot of it. 280 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:15.159 There's rich irony for Jake Tapper to be one of 281 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:19.679 those guys that's writing this. The other one is Axios 282 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:21.279 correspondent Alex Thompson. 283 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:22.919 They talk about. 284 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:27.120 It's called Original Sin, President Biden's decline, It's cover up 285 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:29.320 and his disastrous choice to run again. 286 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:34.080 Funny title. It's going to be released on May twentieth. 287 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:36.879 They'd said that they tackle exactly what led to the 288 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:40.399 Democratic Party's defeat last year, with a spotlight on the 289 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:44.799 decision to run for reelection and the subsequent dropout in favor. 290 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:47.279 Of his vice president, Kamala Harris. Well, we chronicled all 291 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:50.159 that in real time. I mean, give me a bombshell, 292 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:52.320 give me something that we didn't know. I mean, you 293 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:54.080 and I sat there and saw it with our own 294 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:56.519 eyes for months and said, what the hell? What are 295 00:16:56.519 --> 00:17:00.519 we doing here? And I want to know who ooh, 296 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:04.599 was the ring master or several ring masters of just 297 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:08.960 playing this weekend at Bernie's. Everything's fine here, put sunglasses 298 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:11.079 on him, put the ray bands on and prop them 299 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:13.839 up next to that podium, and open the door when 300 00:17:13.880 --> 00:17:15.880 he's got to leave so he doesn't need to figure 301 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:17.599 out how to work a doorknob and all of it. 302 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:20.160 I mean that, that to me is almost on a 303 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:25.160 criminal level of keeping a president's health and mental acuity secret, 304 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:28.920 and even not even secret, but knowing it's in degradation 305 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:30.160 and hiding. 306 00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:32.559 That well, and what I mean, it's not like it 307 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:34.960 hasn't happened before with other presidents. 308 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:37.119 We've seen that happen before, sure, but it was a 309 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:40.359 different time with Reagan when he was well, when he 310 00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:45.240 was nuts. That's also not good. When Reagan was e 311 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:49.200 rose of dementia and Nancy ran basically that second presidency, 312 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:51.920 it wasn't twenty twenty five. We didn't have the twenty 313 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:55.279 four hour media, there wasn't the access to the president. 314 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:57.880 It just it was a different time, was it right, No, 315 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:01.000 Did it happen before then, probably, but I think we 316 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:03.720 all saw it. Yeah, and your point that it didn't. 317 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:06.920 In the eighties, it didn't take much for the White 318 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:10.480 House to control that message, whereas in twenty twenty four 319 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:15.880 they had to have a lot of reporters and media 320 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:18.799 outlets that were complicit in that to keep that to 321 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:21.480 continue that story. I don't They obviously didn't do a 322 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:23.839 very good job at keeping anything secret, but at least 323 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:26.680 they were continuing this story. Everything's fine. You should see 324 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:28.799 him behind closed doors. He's a spitfire. 325 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:32.039 Yeah, it was a lying thing. You know, nobody was 326 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:34.480 gonna say that Joe Biden wasn't well. There will be 327 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:37.119 people that say Joe Biden is not a good person, 328 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:40.799 but nobody was hate Again, there will be people that 329 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:43.640 hated on Joe Biden. But the thing is is he's 330 00:18:43.720 --> 00:18:47.039 not a hateable guy. You know, nobody was. It was 331 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:49.519 the lies. It was just come out and be like, hey, 332 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:53.200 we love Joe Biden, but he is clearly not all. 333 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:56.319 I don't know how you put that delicately, but it 334 00:18:56.359 --> 00:18:58.079 can be done. There's people that are paid well to 335 00:18:58.119 --> 00:19:01.799 put that delicately. He's not going to be our candidate 336 00:19:01.880 --> 00:19:04.920 moving forward. Just be honest, because when you plant those 337 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:09.039 seeds of dishonesty as a politician or as an administration, 338 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:10.599 it's hard to come back from that. 339 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:16.440 So new Attorney General Pam Bondi was on Jesse see 340 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:19.440 Waters show I think it was last night on Fox and. 341 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:22.519 Said, you're going to see some Epstein information being released 342 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:26.799 by my office. What you're going to see is a 343 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:28.839 lot of flight logs, a lot of names, a lot 344 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:33.839 a lot of information. But it's pretty sick what that 345 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:34.400 man did. 346 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:37.920 Now, I'm glad you went on Jesse Waters to announce that, 347 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:40.799 because that is straight from the water is wet file, Like, 348 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:43.720 we know what Jeffrey Epstein does and it is disgusting 349 00:19:43.720 --> 00:19:46.440 and it's always made us sick. Tell us more about 350 00:19:46.440 --> 00:19:48.920 those names. Are we going to get new names? 351 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:52.880 Well, so she says pretty sick what that man did 352 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:55.240 along with his co defendant. That was the piece I 353 00:19:55.279 --> 00:19:58.400 cut off, which means I assume that she's got information 354 00:19:58.440 --> 00:20:01.920 about Dlainne Maxwell. Now Ghlaine Maxwell was often the one 355 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:07.559 credited or blamed with holding the little Black Book, that 356 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:10.680 she's the one who has the list of names of 357 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:13.440 people who are allegedly involved in all of this. This 358 00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:18.079 all comes right after the Senator from Tennessee, Marsha Blackburn, 359 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:21.240 wrote to the FBI director, the new one, Cash Betel, 360 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:23.960 and the AG and requested the release of a bunch 361 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:27.880 of relevant information, including flight logs from the jets and 362 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:31.480 from the helicopters, and Galainne Maxwell's Little Black Book. 363 00:20:31.960 --> 00:20:34.319 So we haven't seen any of it yet. Listen. 364 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:36.960 It could be it could be Rachel Maddow and the 365 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:39.720 tax of tax paper. I mean, it could be nothing, 366 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:43.440 but there could also be some pretty significant names of 367 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:46.319 people in there who we would all recognize. 368 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:48.640 You weren't on that plane, were you? 369 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:51.119 It was not on that plane. I was stuck in traffic. 370 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:52.200 If that's what you're asking. 371 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:54.559 What how about the traffic? What was the hold up? 372 00:20:54.640 --> 00:20:55.400 Was there an accident? 373 00:20:55.519 --> 00:20:58.400 I left later than usual today, but it was a 374 00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:01.319 couple of accidents in the exact l long spot to 375 00:21:01.359 --> 00:21:04.720 the point where you know, there's one choke point for 376 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:07.759 me where I can only go on one roadway that's 377 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:10.200 the only there's no sides, there's no I gotta go 378 00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:10.880 on that one. 379 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:12.000 But once I get. 380 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:16.960 Past that, the world is my oyster, as the Ways 381 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:20.839 Traffic app might tell me. But it also took an 382 00:21:20.960 --> 00:21:23.799 hour and twenty seven minutes to get to work today. 383 00:21:24.319 --> 00:21:26.759 I was gonna say, so that's usually like a half. 384 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:31.119 Hour drive, right yep? Oh, yeah, which is fine. It's fine. 385 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:33.720 Well, I appreciate you not being in a foul mood. 386 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:36.480 You sound like I mean sometimes if if my traffic's 387 00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:38.839 gonna triple like that, I'm not in the best. What 388 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:41.079 am I going to do about it? I'm not nothing. 389 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:43.079 And that's exactly the attitude you should have. 390 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:46.559 I mean, I may drink later, but I'm not gonna 391 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:48.240 drink now. That'd be crazy. 392 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:51.920 I think there's still some fireball in the medicine cabin. 393 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:53.599 Oh yes, that's a good idea. 394 00:21:54.319 --> 00:21:58.119 We haven't checked in on the Brian Coberger, Idaho murders 395 00:21:58.160 --> 00:22:03.039 case in a while. They the defense has dropped. It's 396 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:05.319 described in the headline as a bombshell. This is not 397 00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:09.480 a bombshell. It's interesting, but nobody was like, what this 398 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:10.119 guy has? 399 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:13.799 What? I was excited to hear that Idaho does have 400 00:22:13.880 --> 00:22:17.119 the Firing Squad as an option. That's fun. They still do. 401 00:22:17.559 --> 00:22:27.160