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Speaker 1: Oh, hello and welcome. I am Carrie Anne, and you

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are listening to Seventh Sanctum and today I am being

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joined with good bye my normal co host host Natalie

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co co Ho co hosts. I don't know where I

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was going with it, and this evening we are being

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joined by Tom May's. Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Tom, How are you my pleasure?

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Speaker 3: Doing great perfect us.

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Speaker 1: So when we have interviews, we often ask those that

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have come along and those that we were interviewing or

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talking of discussing with to tell us a little bit

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about their journey of how they found themselves here with

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us tonight. So you stop from the beginning or tell

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us a little bit about about you, please.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have been working with well horse is probably

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forty years.

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Speaker 4: But in terms of the healing space those are you.

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Speaker 2: Know, that journey is more like the wounded healers story

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that everybody has or a lot of us have. But

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and I grew up around the allopathic the normal. I

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grew up around mds and researchers. And the reason that

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I don't know why that's really that relevant to my story,

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but it is in the sense that I was around

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that real everything's got to be triple blind study and

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nothing exists unless you can prove it. And I grew

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up with that constant avis all hogwash, and I love

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proving and I do like regular scientific method. It's not

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that I throw it away, but it's not going to

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ever be my master.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be a.

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Speaker 2: Tool. And so anyway, my journey went from that to

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teaching and public school system, and the whole point of

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that was to awaken children to their own potential, which.

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Speaker 4: Sounds kind of like.

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Speaker 2: If that sounds provocative, it's because we've lost it, because

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that should be the entire intent of education, wisdom and

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then knowledge. And so from that I got into long

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distance horse riding in the mountains in the western United States,

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and I just to me, the high mountains is sanctuary

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to me. So I mean really long, not much walking.

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Mostly it's speed, not at trot speed, not no horse

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can go real fast along. But that got me into

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deeper reasons for why horses don't heal, and then my

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background in medical anthropology, and that I just kept going.

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Speaker 4: I've always been about deeper spiritual.

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Speaker 2: Energy, period and at the end of the day, everybody

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gravitates back to the same place and so I got

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into different things like equine, car practic human stuff. I

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don't I can't remember all the trainings I've had, applied kinesiology,

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Chinese medicine, acupuncture, herbology, and then one day I ran

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into a true traditional osteopath and then I really switched.

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But anyway, my work is now mostly educating professional horse

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people and people that have that in mind on how

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to truly look at the inside of the horse inside

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out and to restructure them back to their potential.

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Speaker 4: Essentially is what we do theeopathically.

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Speaker 2: I do a lot of vascular, neuro spinal cord organ work.

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If you really want to clear the horse's body, you've

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got to look at the driving things, and that along

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with my spiritual work. And I had a spiritual mentor

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actually from.

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Speaker 4: The UK, have one still. I consult with her.

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Speaker 2: Less Linda Meridicks, and she's now in western United States, Washington,

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but I use she's an extraordinary channel and I would

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go and we would essentially trade. I'd work on her

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and she would channel and I would be getting all

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kinds of information to then take out into the field.

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Speaker 4: And to work with. And that work led me to a.

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Speaker 2: Very different perspective and efficacy on physically. That was way

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bey where I thought I was going to go. And

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that kind of pushed me into that the body's driven

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by three main energies and what they are and how

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do I touch them physically, And it's changed. I mean,

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that just changed a ton of stuff. And so those

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three energies aligned with spiritual traditions. I don't care what

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it is, Christian or whatever. Basically it's it's like the

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Father said and the Holy Ghost. It's vascular, soul, spirit,

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life force. And when you address the physical body from

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those three systems, and they are systems that you can physically,

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they danced their own dance and that changes the outcomes

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of a horse that if you just wanted to be

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in the Olympics or you just want to go around

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the block. Anyway, My point, my whole thing is if

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I had one statement to just decribe what I'm about

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as an equine practitioner, it would be I partner with

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equists to awake humans the hell up. That would be it. Yeah,

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and that's what they're here for. An awakened horse, a

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savvy horse is totally conscious of that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that when they when they click into that

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kind of level that there's that's the understanding that they

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have is like profound. It has seems to have no

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limit I've found anyway. So far, They've always hit my

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limit before I've hit theirs. It's it's crazy, It really

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is crazy.

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Speaker 2: A limit that they have an awakened horse, which there

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are a lot of them. My job is to help

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them do that, but the limit is usually from what

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Speaker 4: Governed by their guides.

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Speaker 2: As to how much they're allowed to open us. Because

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I've seen experiences where what I thought was just a

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kind of an average awakened horse do things that were

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on the miraculous scale where the whole ground checks and

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most of the must say, we're not allowed to do that.

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So there's a potential there that's untapped that either that

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or we're not worthy enough to receive that probably more accurate.

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But yeah, their journey on this planet is certainly interwoven

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's odd actually because

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it's like a puzzled David. For me and my friend

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have puzzled David for several years about like how the

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horse evolved to be, how they are. You know, if

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you look at their origins. You know, it's that little

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tiny forest dwelling animals like before hard and you know

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when you look at them now and like you say

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that the spiritual power they've developed as they've evolved, it's

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it's hard to imagine that how they've intertwined themselves with

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humanity and how we've not until recently probably truly appreciated that,

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you know, what they bring, unless it is their evolution

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as well. I suppose you know, it's like they've they're

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bringing more in because we're able to accept more. Maybe,

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things like that. Whether have you noticed a difference in

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horses between forty years ago and now because they seem

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to be more conscious now, unless just coming aware of

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it and they always have been like that. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if that's I think that's true

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to a certain extent because they pass that on. I

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think it's maybe it's maybe intertwined and proportional to the

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awakening of humanity kind of thing. I mean, I'm you

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can even look at ancient texts or there were awakening

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intuitive people working with horses b C.

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Speaker 4: You know, and.

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Speaker 2: The indigenous people that did work with horses, their traditions

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were plenty deep, which would be you know, kind of

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true with us too in that regard.

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Speaker 4: But I would say that there's a quickening right now.

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Speaker 2: There's a much deeper need for the species as a

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whole to get on board and to help us to

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raise our frequencies. And they know it, and it dominates

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all aspects.

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Speaker 4: Of their life if they're awakened like it does us.

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Speaker 2: So I mean I have there are most horse people

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doing private sessions all the time, which I don't do

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too much anymore. Most people are so pretty closed off,

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and the horse is the utility to better in this case,

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it's not too as utility transport to animal.

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Speaker 4: It's more of a.

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Speaker 2: Showing, eventing type of an aspect that often has human

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ego as the mainstay. And even I'll offer many times

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to horses that are mirroring, they'll take on a lot

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of the physical attributes and pain of the human that

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they're attached to. I mean, it isn't it's just constant.

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human worthy for that much suffering that you're going through,

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and they they tend and I have to doubt that

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sometimes with some of us. If you're not worthy, you're

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not worthy, and they will question it and always look

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up for guidance or guidance is coming in, and they

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almost always say, and that's not negotiable, it's my contract.

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And so that whole journey of human horse marrying is

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where most of my passion lies. When I work on

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a horse with a human. I am not a mechanical

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routine person by any means. I can do it, but

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I would die on the vine if I had to

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do the same thing every day and the same it's

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when I get into this aspect, when a deeper energy

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flows and the horse, I can just feel the energy

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change and the horse will look at me and there's

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the dialogue between the horse and me and what the

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human needs. And they're always dead on and it's always

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the person's primary dysfunction. I mean they are, I mean

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just from an allopathic MD standpoint. I've worked with people

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where they can't figure out functional medicine.

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Speaker 4: Doctors, biological doctors, I think you call.

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Speaker 2: Them a lot in Europe where they cannot figure out

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a chronic illness, background disease pattern, and a horse, even

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a horse that is not connected to them, that chooses

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to be will find it. And with my I'm just

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a communicator, within four or five minutes, we'll find it.

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Speaker 4: They see it. I often ask them, well, how is

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Speaker 2: See such a major dysfunction in a person, And they

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Speaker 4: You guys are kind of stupid.

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Speaker 2: It's just so shining bright, it's right there, and they

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can just and then my job is to verify it.

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I go in and test it, and go down and

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identify it, illuminate it, and then help the person decide

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how they want to.

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Speaker 4: Go forward with clearing it, whether it be.

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Speaker 2: A referral to somebody else, whether it be let me

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go in on it, whatever it is.

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Speaker 4: But the results in.

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Speaker 2: The proof in the pudding, if you will, are undisputable.

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Speaker 3: So do you end up working on the humans almost

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more than the horses when you called into how the horses?

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Speaker 2: That depends on the energy dynamic. Not usually, okay, it

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never even seen the person or the horse. The energy

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that I bring via what they know or feel and

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then just my energy is if I'm going to come

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work on you, it's not a little soft thing. It's

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like we go you fully, you fully get in there,

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and you fully go not in a hurried way, but

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in a truly strong, intentional, spiritual.

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Speaker 4: Let's go to me.

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Speaker 2: That's really the only place healing, actually deep healing her occurs.

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horse literally, and then the horse opens to the bigger picture.

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Speaker 4: Then I usually go to the human.

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Speaker 2: And there's something about whatever energies are there.

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Speaker 4: With with equis with.

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Speaker 2: Horses and the humans interface. I tend to be more

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effective in that place than if they just came to

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me human the human. But often it's that I awaken

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something that is their deepest.

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Speaker 4: Path issue, that how.

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Speaker 2: It is been entrained into the body, and I open

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it up and clear it, and then that usually gets

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them on their healing journey. And then often I will

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refer them to really astute practitioners, and.

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Speaker 4: You know, or they may wish that I go deeper

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Speaker 2: But usually if I say you need this, this, and

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this done, so it's a process.

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Speaker 4: Most people aren't ready for the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: I want no that's true. Yeah, you have to sort

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of chunk it down. Sometimes it give me a bit overwhelming.

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Speaker 2: It's a it's an art form more than anything.

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Speaker 3: You know, what did you say that they call even

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they call it medical practice, don't they even an alopathy.

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which is an irony. I always thought it is on

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about the science and I'm like, yeah, but you're practicing

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I.

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Speaker 2: Mean when you look at I guess I don't know

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the definition of art in many ways, but you have

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all kinds of tools, whether it's an artist brush and

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a canvas and paints and ve dah da da. But

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it's what tool the use when, with what intention? Right,

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So it's a dance. It's always a dance. I don't

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care what it is. So you have to be able

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to flow with the movement and the energy coming in

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and coming out. So yeah, it's kind of ah.

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Speaker 1: So what happens do you? Are you ever in a

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situation where you're working with the horse and the human

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but the results aren't recepted, We have not received very well.

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Have you ever been in a situation where maybe the

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human has been given information that withous process or and

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how have you managed that? How do you how are

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you able to work with that?

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Speaker 4: That's a great question.

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Speaker 2: It's always that's part of that art thing.

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Speaker 4: Where is this person in terms of being open and

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wishing to open? So you have.

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Speaker 2: I've asked the universe quite a few years ago to

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if somebody's frequency or intention is not willing to shift

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because you run into walls there. I can soften those walls.

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I can even I can even you know, go beyond

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that and make them fall if I want to. But

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the point is it's not appropriate to push on something

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that's not willing to work with. So I asked the universe,

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do not bring to me frequencies that are not willing

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to shift, because they're willing to shift, however, and they're

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very restrictive, and they're on that kind of flip flop

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flip flop edge. Just the energy and the presence of

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being there starts it like it would with you as

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I move. Usually here's the equals part. There is a

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deep connection. The horse has done most of the groundwork

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in terms of nudging the person to want to come

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to that healing place on that precipice of jumping off,

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and when they see their horse start to open and

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the energy shift around the horse, and the horse will

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communicate with the owner. That's probably enough critical mass for

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me to do the next step.

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Speaker 4: And then I do a lot of well, let's just

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put it this way. On a normal.

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Speaker 2: Basis, the horse will stop and say okay, he she

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Usually she's ready show her her main issue, and the

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horse will often literally sniff. They do a lot of

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aspects with their mouth, their nose. They'll usually touch a

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finger and that's like they're Chinese occupants, but that's not

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what they are.

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Speaker 4: They're pathways.

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Speaker 2: So like you went to a forest and they're showing

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you this divergent trail and they say that trail and

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I know the essence of that trail, but I don't

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know exactly how it's going to manifest. So I follow

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that traill in the human and they look at me

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like what the hell are you doing?

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Speaker 4: And I just pick up there.

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Speaker 2: I'll go to where it shows up, and then as

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I touch something on them, I get the intuitive hit and.

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Speaker 4: It tells me what it is, and it tells me.

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Speaker 2: What the path issue is usually and why they are

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holding on to this dysfunction because to me, anything physically

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wrong with this is almost always related to an issue

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you have in your past, an emotional hold, a belief issue,

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and who you are as a being before you came

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in always, So that's that frequency. And then I go

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into that and usually the person kind of stands there

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like what the hell's happening, and they allow it, and

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they they engage with it, even though they don't their

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left brain is completely are loaded, almost.

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Speaker 4: Put to the side, so they just are set aside.

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Speaker 2: So we can do that, and then usually they let

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it cook after that for a while, and then they

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call me back so or ask me questions or who

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did you say I should go to to get this

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last part?

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Speaker 4: You know that company?

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Speaker 2: So it is a spiritual it's it's always a spiritual.

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Speaker 4: What's the word I'm looking for effusion that allows this.

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Speaker 2: And then sometimes when it's as simple as you're choosing

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neurotoxic foods for your horse and for you, and let

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me prove that to you. So I'll use pain responses

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on it. And I'm sure a lot of you know

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about like muscle testing stuff, Yeah, where you're testing that.

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I like, it's the same thing like dousing muscle testing,

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but it doesn't tend to convince them, so I usually

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use pain responses, like if they're on a liver point

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or something. When they are doing so, they feel it.

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There's something about that where they go and the horse

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glares at them and I and the pain glares at them.

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So it's an educational process on all fronts, but it's

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primarily a spiritual journey, as all humans should be.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know what to say to that.

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It's really profound, isn't it central? Right?

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Speaker 4: It's just central.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if I was there working with

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you and a horse, you go, oh, okay, I get this.

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Speaker 4: These are just different ways of connecting.

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Speaker 2: That's all.

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Speaker 3: I wish we were there you because I would absolutely

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adore to do something like that. You know, with I've

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come close with horses, but I struggle with owners. It's

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like I can access the deeper levels of the horse

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and work with them, but when it comes to the owners,

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I've always struggled to be able to get that, like say,

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the resonance from me to the horse to the owner.

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I've usually managed to get the resonance between between me

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and the horse and shifts, but to get it to

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go through to the owner. I would love to be

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able to do that.

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Speaker 2: It's I think one of the things that's critical there

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is not in an arrogant way, but you engage with

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the like the owners standing there is.

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Speaker 4: I usually take the lead rope.

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Speaker 2: From the owner, Okay, And what I mean by that

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mainly is I engage with the horse in a compassionate

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and opening way, and the owner is set aside. Then

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the owner is brought back into the circle, but not

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the other way around. The owner decides how it's going

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to go and controls the energy.

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Speaker 4: We won't open.

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Speaker 3: That's that's an intro. Okay, I'll try that next time,

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because that's that's the block that I have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mean, you go to somebody's barn, facility, stable, whatever.

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You pick a place where the energy of the ground

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is decent or you clear, and you control that at

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that moment in time. That area is all about that,

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and it doesn't belong to that stable anymore, not for

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the time you're there at all. You must control the

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energy in the ground. The ground must be able to

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talk to you. The earth and the elementals are there.

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Then we bring the owner into the process.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever been to a yard where you've not

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being able to do that to connect? Yes, yeah, yeah,

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we have that trouble. A lot of the ground because

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we've had mining, is very closed down or it's angry,

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so it's really hard to find areas where it feels

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sort of like fairly balanced. So how have you gone

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about it when you've had that? Or do spirit not

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tend to lead you to those kinds of places?

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Speaker 2: And usually those situations are when I didn't believe that

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the combined emotional dysfunction.

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Speaker 4: Of the people at a particular facility was that strong.

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I didn't believe it.

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Speaker 2: I was like, ah, these are just small time players.

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Well there, that's big time energy and emotional pervasive negativity

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is as bad as any neurotalks. And you can feed

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a horse, if not worse. And it's the awareness that

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that exists. And then is this horse willing to be healed?

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Speaker 4: Never mind the person?

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Speaker 2: And then where should where should this be at this

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barn a little bit or this facility?

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Speaker 4: And the people usually.

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Speaker 2: Want you in the wrong spot in those places, they

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gravitate you to the wrong spot. If that's the case,

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then I call in for help to clear the land

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and to even ask that this should happen and usually does.

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And I think I ask for keepers to come in

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and they do the work. Mostly if they thought I

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could do it efficiency, they wouldn't do it. They just

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tell me to do it. That's how spirit is. I

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wish they'd just do it all. But as soon as

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you learn a technique like okay, I got you, we'll

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help you. Okay, you're ready, Okay, you know what you're doing, great,

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and that's pretty soon they go, sorry, it's up to you.

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Speaker 4: Now, you do it, you know.

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Speaker 2: And in this type of land type energy, usually they're

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willing to come in and at least provide a spiritual

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bubble around you during that time, you know, and it's critical,

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it's critical.

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Speaker 3: I was about to say, yeah, what did you call

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them keepers?

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Speaker 4: Yes, you know.

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Speaker 2: Keepers throughout indigenous society. They have different names for them,

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but they're essentially the entire earth has areas or yeah,

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I want to say areas, biomes whatever, whether it's particular

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spiritual being that pervades over that area that is like

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a protect are an enhancer and that, and you know,

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they have different names for different places, but you can

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call them in and It depends where you're at, you know,

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but you begin to find an affinity for certain ones

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in certain areas that you're used to being in yourself.

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Speaker 4: I would encourage you to.

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Speaker 2: Begin to feel them and bring them in sometime and

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ask what what you can do to help them?

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Speaker 4: How about that?

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Speaker 3: So sound brilliant, I'm going to try that on the

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track where my horses are. We've got we keep joking,

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we've got a big foot in the woods down the bottom.

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So it's like but there's a little grove of hawthorn

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and the energy is so different there. But I've never

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actually thought to take my horse down there to do

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any energy work with him. So I might actually go

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and have a weed with the trees and see, yeah.

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Speaker 4: That's a pretty big hit.

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Speaker 3: Boy, that's great.

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Speaker 2: Is it like a hedge or something?

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Speaker 3: And well we're on Yeah, we've got trees on either side.

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We're on a track alongside it's a track system alongside

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a railway, so it's it's about three quarters of a mile.

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But down the bottom where the field is, there's like

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a little circle of it's almost like I call it

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a grove, but it probably isn't. It's like a little

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circle of hawthorn trees, and the energy in there is

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just so different. It's it's you know, it almost feels

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like a sacred area. That's why I call it a grove.

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But I think it's an accident of.

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Speaker 4: I'd go play with it, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I'm good. I'm going to try that, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the earth itself well transmute negativity as a

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matter of course. So if it is closed off and

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flew infused you and you have any deep, deep sup

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in a horse, especially unwanted visitors, you can have a

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heck of a time releasing those, you know.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, because it collects things. I'm constantly clearing things

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off of him. It's like he's a sweeping bush and

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he goes around collecting stuff.

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Speaker 2: So this is your horse, yes, and so do you?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: So I get it. Well, I mean that's part of

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the problem with this kind of work in a lot

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of ways is being connected. You know what's funny about

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that that brings it up is horses, for all their

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unbelievably intuitive ability to communicate cross distances and time and

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to other beings. Often my left bring still can't quite

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fathom it. I cannot quite fathom it left rationally, they

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have trouble managing their energy.

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Speaker 4: Often my job with a.

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Speaker 2: Gifted spiritual horse is to teach them how to clear

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and how to not take. It's kind of interesting phenomena like,

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for instance, I'll have horses I remember years ago that

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worked at a therapeutic riding place where they worked with

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autistic children.

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Speaker 4: There you go carry right back to the kids.

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Speaker 2: And so these kids would come in and they'd have

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these horses that the gallop was running. It was very

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open and very interested. She would say, well, this horse

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can only work two children a week at the most

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because it's completely wiped out afterwards, and on and on

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00:28:31,319 --> 00:28:31,599
it went.

478
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,759
Speaker 4: So my job was one.

479
00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: The physicality of the horses mirrored the physicality of the

480
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:44,200
kids so much that so that the barn manager would

481
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,960
run back to the barn where she kept her quasi

482
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:49,680
off this file and come back in tears and say,

483
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,920
here's the kids that this horse works with. And it would,

484
00:28:54,319 --> 00:28:56,880
honest to God to just go right down the line.

485
00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:00,839
And so my job was to teach these horses, which

486
00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:02,799
it didn't dawn on me that they would even need this.

487
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:06,400
Who am I to do that? But you need to

488
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,799
be aware of the energy coming in to you, and

489
00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:12,440
healing is not moving pain from one to another or

490
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,559
from an artistic child to the horse or whatever. It

491
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,359
is transmuting it to beauty, to pure light. And when

492
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,119
that happened, the horses just seem to get it, and

493
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,000
they could work.

494
00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 4: With many children.

495
00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: And I don't know, it's more of just bringing it

496
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,400
to their attention rather than doing.

497
00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:32,079
Speaker 4: Anything about it.

498
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: But they tend to as the species, get caught up

499
00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:38,200
in the same stuff we do, where we don't check

500
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,599
in and go what is not mine, you know, what

501
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,440
is not serving me? And that's key because we live

502
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,160
in a society where we're trained to take on a

503
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,599
whole bunch of other crap. That's the way the game's played,

504
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,720
and the last thing they want us to do is

505
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,319
to clear what doesn't belong to us.

506
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 4: So and yet that's the first thing spirit wants.

507
00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: So that's really good. Indigenous societies teach a two or

508
00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:06,599
three year old when they.

509
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 4: Cry, is that even yours? And often it isn't.

510
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:16,599
Speaker 2: And so it should be a part of everyday life

511
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,000
from the get go.

512
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: You know, I think what you said about transmuting, transmuting

513
00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:26,400
pain into beauty, that's such a beautiful sentiment. And I

514
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,799
really like that. And again reflecting on that, when you

515
00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:35,640
say about that circle or that control, or what's mine,

516
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,720
what's not mine? What can I control, what I can't control?

517
00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:43,319
That is something that's fundamental for young people from a

518
00:30:43,359 --> 00:30:47,160
young age and even as adults, because we're not taught

519
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,480
that from social young age. As adults is something that

520
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:53,279
we really have to try and apply to ourselves. So, yeah,

521
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:55,319
thank you for sharing us really beautiful sentiments.

522
00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:55,759
Speaker 3: Thank you.

523
00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean this.

524
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: I guess I call them spiritual principles. I would call

525
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,279
them that are critical and God, we've grown up in

526
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:10,599
a society where it's so convoluted and so many masks

527
00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:12,799
to try to protect ourselves when.

528
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 4: Really it's sort of just like, Okay, that's not mine,

529
00:31:16,279 --> 00:31:17,640
that's not that's you know.

530
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:23,599
Speaker 2: I mean we get that as infants when our mother

531
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,559
or father whoever is critical to us, do certain I

532
00:31:27,599 --> 00:31:31,559
mean super vulnerable when we're little, and it's pretty easy

533
00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:35,119
to damage children just by paying attention to them and

534
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,119
then not paying attention at all, and the children think

535
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:44,119
they did something wrong. Even as God, breastfeeding infants that's

536
00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:44,799
so critical.

537
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,759
Speaker 4: The mothering process is huge.

538
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: I mean it's huge, and when that gets supplanted, it's

539
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,240
a lifetime of reconnect unless you get really good help.

540
00:31:58,079 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 4: Or something you know, And that's the Norman more right, that's.

541
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: Any So here we are in this imperfect, screwed up world,

542
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,359
but that's the way it is.

543
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,279
Speaker 1: I will say the last year or so, I've been

544
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,920
paying quite a lot of attention to the attachment theory

545
00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:17,039
and what that speaks about the relationship between caregivers as

546
00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:20,000
young people and how that affects our being able to

547
00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:24,640
connect with adults or adults and maintaining our relationships, and

548
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,759
what that can look like and how it can be changed.

549
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:30,200
It can be managed, but it's.

550
00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:32,519
Speaker 3: A lot of work. It's a lot of work.

551
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:36,119
Speaker 1: And with that in mind as well, when I said

552
00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:40,519
about the barriers that you could maybe come up against

553
00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:44,960
or working with a human and an animal, it sounds

554
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,119
like you have lots of ways of being able to

555
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,039
mitigate that by being animal centered lead. And I know

556
00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:54,200
before you said you've done quite a lot of work

557
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,279
with young people as well. So I think what I

558
00:32:56,359 --> 00:33:02,519
want to ask is your spiritual journey. How the spiritual

559
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:05,839
journeys are really difficult. It requires a lot of reflecting

560
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,359
and holding the mirror up to yourself sometimes how is

561
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:13,440
what are what are the things that you've kind of

562
00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:15,799
learned along the way that you if you could tell

563
00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:19,599
your younger self or yourself at the beginning of your journey,

564
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:20,599
and what would that be?

565
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 4: Now that's a profound.

566
00:33:26,079 --> 00:33:31,519
Speaker 2: Central question, obviously, I would what comes up right away

567
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,480
is I think, what's guided me that even allowed me

568
00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:42,799
to or even survive different just coming through this life.

569
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,480
The biggest one, I would say, and that is not

570
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,519
probably this is not probably accessible to everybody, but it

571
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:57,440
is find your core frequency who you really are, and

572
00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:04,319
use that as you or ground use that who you

573
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,039
truly are, who is your higher self? Connect with it

574
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,360
over and over when in doubt.

575
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 4: Connect with yourself.

576
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: And that has been my saving grace through everything. And

577
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:23,159
that's where the passion lies. And that's where the absolute

578
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:25,920
clarity of this is not mine. This is somebody else's

579
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,559
belief and da da da or whatever or expectation, and

580
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:34,639
then it's easier to shed it, to get rid of it,

581
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,519
to move through a momentum that.

582
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 4: Allows you to be you. That would be the to me,

583
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:42,239
should be the key teaching most of us.

584
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:49,039
Speaker 2: However, in my experience, as adults do not have a

585
00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:52,519
good connection with their higher self that way, you know,

586
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,199
or it also would take would be one five minute

587
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,639
time memory in your life when you or in a

588
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:02,840
state of.

589
00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:05,559
Speaker 4: Awareness grace.

590
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 2: That one time is enough to infuse and define the

591
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,679
rest of your life. And so most people have had

592
00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:17,199
profound times, but never deep enough so that it's.

593
00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 4: Guiding people to touch that.

594
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,599
Speaker 2: And so the physical body always is a way to

595
00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:25,320
do any of these things as a way in.

596
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 4: It's not everything.

597
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 2: So that center of yourself to me lives where the

598
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,639
ancients say it lives in the center of the center

599
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,440
of the heart, that is your soul.

600
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 4: And so I can.

601
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:41,159
Speaker 2: Literally guide people's hands or my hands into that place

602
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:47,039
literally and help it awaken too the outside. And it's

603
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:51,599
part of the three central energies the soul, it runs

604
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:55,639
the vascular system, and so it's a key place to

605
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,880
I think that's just key spiritual You must here. You're

606
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,800
part of the whole, you're part of source. But you

607
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,480
have your unique light, your unique star system, if you will,

608
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:12,000
and you're meant to be bold and to shine it brightly.

609
00:36:12,519 --> 00:36:18,039
And so that's what healing is period right there. Spirit

610
00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:21,000
is not weak and sort of half hiding behind the

611
00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:24,679
bushes that you spirits walks, walk out into the metal,

612
00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:28,320
walk into the hawthorn trees, and be bold and be

613
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,679
humble and dance with what is.

614
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 4: That's what it really is.

615
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 3: I think that's the problem, isn't it? Because we're because

616
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,719
that's the problem I have. It's like you say, it's

617
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,000
it's sort of like you're sort of taught that if

618
00:36:42,039 --> 00:36:45,039
you're spiritual, you've got to be humble and self effacing

619
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:50,039
and gentle and meek, and like you say, the power

620
00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:54,400
in what you're saying is like, be bold, have strong intent,

621
00:36:54,639 --> 00:36:58,000
clear boundaries, And it's like that that's the complete opposite

622
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,440
of what we're taught. Yep, it's a spiritually centered or

623
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,239
empowered person, is, isn't it. It's or what we've recently

624
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:11,760
it's been switched to because I presumably you know, it's

625
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:16,480
slowly gotten twisted over the injuries, is like of what

626
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:21,159
a truly centered human beings should be and how they

627
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:22,239
should be in the world.

628
00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:25,199
Speaker 2: It's yeah, you know, and then that is kind of

629
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:30,840
a paradox from our thinking because being humble and being

630
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:38,400
in gratitude and compassion and grace, often it would appear soft,

631
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,679
it would be soft, and but it's very powerful, and

632
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,920
it is very bold, and spirit does, like really deep

633
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:56,559
spiritual issues usually won't occur unless you walk into it boldly.

634
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:02,320
And you know, like when I get an image or

635
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,519
an essence of a being that's passed that I knew

636
00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:11,519
in form, they don't look anything but bold, and they don't.

637
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:15,079
They look more wild than they ever did, and not

638
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,320
in a crazy, out of control, but in a beautiful, profound,

639
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,440
powerful way. And yeah, I think we have our concepts

640
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:29,119
of power has been convoluted so we can be controlled basically.

641
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:35,079
And yeah, I mean I've seen lots of times we'll

642
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:37,440
all be looking, you know, you keep going through your

643
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,559
path and you go, oh my god, this is a

644
00:38:40,599 --> 00:38:43,239
profound new thing I got and you're like, no, it's

645
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,039
like the fiftieth or fiftieth thousands time of looking to

646
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:49,880
the same damn thing, and you know, and you do

647
00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:52,480
that and you go, okay, But every time it's like,

648
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:56,360
be bold, be powerful, but be gracious.

649
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,159
Speaker 4: I mean runaway.

650
00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: Arrogance is weak, boldness, true intent and on purpose with

651
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:12,199
spiritual drive and your and your purpose, that that's powerful.

652
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:17,280
And that's not only what's expected, it's it's.

653
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 4: Where everyone must go eventually, you know.

654
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:22,639
Speaker 2: And it looks different, but I would in many ways

655
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:26,519
call that the balance of the divine feminine in a

656
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:29,880
lot of ways. So you know, we have this runaway

657
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,280
well I think we're talking about is the runaway imbalanced

658
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,079
patrilineal control so that I don't have to look myself

659
00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:40,719
in the mirror. I just beat other people down so

660
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,280
I fuilt higher up, as opposed to a balanced patrilineal

661
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,840
approach of boldness and divine femininity, with femininity which is

662
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:55,960
extremely powerful and provable on a normal physical basis as well.

663
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,199
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, because I was saying to a friend

664
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:03,719
a little while ago that the women are supposed to

665
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:08,000
be powerful, because he was talking about, like, you know,

666
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:10,639
the role of women, and I was like, no, women

667
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,239
are supposed to be powerful. And it's like that that,

668
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,920
you know, It's it's sort of like like you say,

669
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,199
the divine feminine isn't all receiving. It can be toosing,

670
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,920
nailed to defend, and it can be gentle and receiving,

671
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,360
but it's ferocious at the same time. It can be ferocious,

672
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,119
and it's like we are meant to have connection to

673
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,159
that as much as to the nurture.

674
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 2: Of absolutely and I would I would think that this

675
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:43,199
planet as a being and us as a species on

676
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,800
this planet, that's probably the crux of our transition period

677
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,559
right now. It's learning how to become that more and

678
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:56,519
the old patrilineal out of balance systems are fighting for

679
00:40:56,639 --> 00:40:59,679
their survival and I don't think they're going to so uh.

680
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 4: Balance.

681
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:07,079
Speaker 2: Male energy is absolutely critical as well. So I mean,

682
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:10,519
one thing you can do that is a I like

683
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:14,000
three D proof in the pudding, and you can do this.

684
00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:16,480
I've done it with my four year old granddaughters, but

685
00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:18,840
I do it with students often, and that is a

686
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:24,519
simple you physically, here's the three D tough male thing.

687
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,119
I'm going to make a super strong circle between my

688
00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:29,599
index finger and thumb. This is just a good example.

689
00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:32,719
There are hundreds and then you get somebody else and

690
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,760
they take both their hands and obviously they have massive

691
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,880
physical dominance to pull that apart. So if you use physical,

692
00:41:41,679 --> 00:41:46,119
normal masculine energy to hold this, there is no way

693
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:50,719
you're gonna be a behold it. And if however, and

694
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,519
I'm talking about super strong physicality on this little circle,

695
00:41:56,199 --> 00:42:04,079
if you envision the divine feminine envision a solid circle.

696
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,840
That might need to be steel, it might need to

697
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,239
be energy, it might just need to be an unbreakable circle.

698
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,519
You cannot open that up. The strongest mill on the

699
00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:20,239
planet can't move it. And so it's in that sense

700
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,079
of intention. But it's a bold intention if it's like, well,

701
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:27,440
I can envision a steel circle. Not if you don't

702
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,960
have pure intention, this is going to be broken. When

703
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,000
you have pure intention, it's unbreakable. It's way beyond the

704
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,320
physical and that is part of the process of us

705
00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:41,679
stepping into our power. And that's just a tiny aspect

706
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:47,440
of it. So we need that three D verification.

707
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I suppose that's understanding that the

708
00:42:52,559 --> 00:43:00,719
physical isn't as strong as the metaphysical exactly technology for that.

709
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Or that the physical is a reflection of the

710
00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:13,559
aspects of the spiritual self working or not. Yeah, And

711
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:14,199
to me that.

712
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:16,679
Speaker 4: Would be probably the priority. It's the other way around.

713
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, the energy first. It's vibration first, you know, so

714
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:26,039
as much as possible working on the physical body, you need,

715
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,719
I think, to be an effective healer, you need to

716
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:37,159
engage the tissue energetically first and then physically, and it

717
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:43,079
will reset with a true massive physical release I mean

718
00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:47,199
on a constant basis, But it's the energy interface that's

719
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,760
the key driver of really good healing. If you're going

720
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,400
to touch o horse, you know, and not work off body,

721
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,360
which I don't much. But you know, you guys have

722
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,480
osteopaths in the UK. Yeah, so that came from the

723
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:04,199
United States. But my point of bringing that up is

724
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:10,599
in the United States now there are more osteopathic universities

725
00:44:11,519 --> 00:44:16,760
than ever and almost zero traditional osteopaths coming out of that.

726
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,320
So in the UK there still are some traditional ossiopaths,

727
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:26,639
and they are they engaged the tissue physically, but they

728
00:44:26,679 --> 00:44:30,360
engage A true osteopath is going to go in energetically

729
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:35,199
and then physical and can do all the manipulation and

730
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,960
all that from a physical standpoint. But even in Europe,

731
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,480
most of the ostiopaths on horses tend to just be physiotherapists.

732
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 4: They manipulate soft tissue directly.

733
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,119
Speaker 2: They're not doing energetic interface, let alone of spiritual entity

734
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:54,840
or something like that. So the true ossipaths are different

735
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,239
because of the idea of an energetic connection to the

736
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,840
physical body. So I mean that allows us entry into

737
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:07,880
tissue anywhere way down there and what's just phenomenal about it?

738
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:14,519
And I run the skeptic really hard, meaning if something

739
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:20,000
spiritually profound or physically profound, I really test it to

740
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:22,159
see it so that I can truly know talk be

741
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,679
with it. And if later on it works, to teach

742
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,519
it and we can go and you can go into

743
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:30,679
teach you all the time at like five six inches

744
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,280
deep on a horse, Oh my god, moren that. And

745
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,920
as you get there, whatever physicality is there lights up

746
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,880
in your hands just like you're there and you have

747
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,239
access to it just as if you do. And this

748
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,480
is an innate skill. I mean I teach that in

749
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:49,360
people for a living, and very few cannot do that.

750
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 4: And if they won't do it's because of their own belief.

751
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,639
Speaker 2: I just teach them how to reacquaint themselves with It's

752
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:57,400
in innate skill. I mean, little kids don't know they

753
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,760
don't have it. They just have it and why because

754
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,880
it's there. And that's I mean, you learn what to

755
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,480
do with it and more efficacy with it. But it's

756
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:13,599
all energy first. The outcomes are totally different when you can.

757
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:18,079
Speaker 3: Do that, you know, yeah, because it's like the horses.

758
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:23,159
Horses are so physically massive it's like if you don't

759
00:46:23,199 --> 00:46:27,760
have that energetic connection first, you can't physically get deep

760
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,199
enough into the tissue without actually being able to connect

761
00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:37,119
to it, if that makes sense, because mass muscle, yeah.

762
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,559
Speaker 2: You know, so most body workers, even really good ones

763
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:43,239
or even most osteopaths, well like they want to go

764
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,599
into I mean to me, the key key one is

765
00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:49,320
if you would know if you're worth your salt.

766
00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:51,559
Speaker 4: The esophagal hiatus.

767
00:46:51,079 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 2: Which on us you know is is right here, and

768
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,320
that's a key area for us. It's a key area

769
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,800
for them. And to get to that you'd have to

770
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,400
push a to B to see you didn't have to

771
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,519
be so abusive, and maybe you might get a little

772
00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:08,920
bit of it. Whereas if you know how to, you

773
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,519
go into it and take the elevator ride down and

774
00:47:12,679 --> 00:47:16,840
then you have it. But even then, once it's ready

775
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,400
to go and it's unwinding, it comes to a crescendo,

776
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,400
it doesn't get better. It gets worse for a second

777
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:24,079
and you have a hold of it in your hand

778
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:27,599
like an energy syst. At that point, the horses are standing,

779
00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:30,639
so I must get them to move, and it's in

780
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,679
their step is when it.

781
00:47:32,679 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 4: Releases, So I do so it's physical at.

782
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: That point, plenty physical, but only after the energetic setup

783
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,719
and the readiness for the energy to leave, and you

784
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,360
need to help it find a way out. So even

785
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,039
in people standing, like an old human owner standing, if

786
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:50,760
I go into an organ, let's say it's a liver,

787
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,400
and I find out where in the liver it is,

788
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:54,519
and it will always.

789
00:47:54,159 --> 00:47:55,119
Speaker 4: Have a focal point.

790
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: So I go after that focal point and talk to

791
00:47:58,519 --> 00:48:00,320
it and see what it is. And if it's just

792
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,840
a physicality or a little emotion, as it gets ready

793
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,840
to go, I need them to step. If the person

794
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,079
was on the table, it would be different. But there's

795
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:15,159
something about standing on the earth with that as its steps,

796
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:17,800
there's some sort of an opening. And so that's when

797
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:20,400
my students call it a nudge. I nudge it, and

798
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,480
that's a physical nudge, an energetic physical nudge.

799
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 4: So they do it all day.

800
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 5: On a horse, you know, But yeah, that's yeah, because

801
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,280
I've always found out when I've done I found it

802
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,280
easier to do bodywork on like energetic slash bodywork on

803
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:38,360
horses than people.

804
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,519
Speaker 3: But if I the few times I have done the

805
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:43,360
same kind of thing on people, I've always found it

806
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,719
easier if they're standing up then if they're sitting down

807
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,000
or lying down. So that's really interesting.

808
00:48:48,639 --> 00:48:53,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, that's a phenomena that you know, I

809
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:58,360
think probably the applied kinesiology guys have it more handled

810
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:03,559
than that. When you're standing and you're standing and firing

811
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:06,480
off all your pro reception and your neurology and your

812
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:11,880
normal way of being on the planet in movement, if

813
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,559
you will, there's just standing there. The body's engaged in

814
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:18,440
a different way than when you're laying down passively. And

815
00:49:18,519 --> 00:49:22,679
I think sometimes it's appropriate, you know, to be in

816
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,880
a passive, relaxed state, certainly, but I would say there's

817
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,079
a lot of times where it isn't. So I would

818
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:31,480
encourage body workers when they're having trouble with a human

819
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,599
and they think it's in this realm to ask the

820
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:38,199
person to get off the table and stand up, and

821
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,280
as they step engage it deeper and watch what happens,

822
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,800
and they'll find that there'll be times when that's appropriate

823
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:46,239
and times maybe it isn't.

824
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 3: You know, that's interesting, that's really interesting.

825
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I've told some of my students my events

826
00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:55,239
is like one of these days you've got to get

827
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,840
a horse to to like lay between bales of hay

828
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,000
or straw side down like a human on a table

829
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:04,199
and see how that works and do a YouTube video

830
00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:05,880
on that so I can like laugh at it with

831
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:06,559
him or whatever.

832
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 4: But it'd be kind of cool to watch. I don't

833
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,320
think it'll work any better, but.

834
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you got the horse trainers there, it would

835
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,320
be quite interesting to say, just lay there really see

836
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,199
how your buddy feels.

837
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:27,159
Speaker 2: When yeah, I gotcha, Sorry, I got a big guy

838
00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:38,079
that's hanging out. Yeah. So, yeah, it's fascinating that the

839
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:44,199
physical energetic interface is fascinating and that's always going to

840
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,320
show and give you patterns of dysfunction on all kinds

841
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:52,880
of spiritual issues for sure, you know always. So I

842
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,320
don't know if you want to talk about any of

843
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,960
that or not, or or how to interface that.

844
00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:02,639
Speaker 3: I'm I don't know how long we've got, Corry.

845
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: I was, yeah, we're nearly yeah, near the end of

846
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,119
the show. I think it would be really good if

847
00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:12,760
we were able to book another show with you, Tom

848
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,880
to kind of go. I've learned a lot from chat

849
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,920
with you for the last hour. I'd love to know more.

850
00:51:20,039 --> 00:51:22,400
So I think it'd be fantastic to put you back

851
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,000
into maybe we can publish as a part one. We're

852
00:51:26,119 --> 00:51:28,440
part two pending. There'll be a really good idea.

853
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can do that in there.

854
00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you know we I mean, if you just

855
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,920
want to be a good body worker, let's just call

856
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,280
it that for a minute. And as you go through

857
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:44,159
the horse's body, especially organs, you're going to run into

858
00:51:44,519 --> 00:51:49,280
emotional holding like lung and grief and anger and liver

859
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,719
and all that and liver. But what you're also going

860
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:57,960
to run into is dark entity. And that begs the

861
00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:02,559
question if you when you get in there, what kind

862
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:05,079
of patterns would a layperson find when they do that?

863
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,400
So you talk about that later. I mean one of

864
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,280
the key points of that is these areas that are

865
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,960
in dysfunction in an organ will be limited to a

866
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,719
central focus, and meaning they're not they affect the whole organ,

867
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:24,960
but they're an energetic frequency that emanates in a sphere

868
00:52:25,039 --> 00:52:27,440
of discordant heavy energy. You can pick it up off

869
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,840
the body real easy and circuit located right into the center,

870
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,719
and at that point it should begin to begin to

871
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,480
want to unwind if it runs and takes off because

872
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,599
you shine light on it. Those are always dark entities,

873
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:47,000
so you have to decide. Yeah, they run. So there's

874
00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:50,679
a way to deal with that that I've kind of

875
00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:52,800
been pushed into, and it is.

876
00:52:53,519 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 4: I follow them.

877
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,119
Speaker 2: They run, and I just follow them till they get

878
00:52:57,159 --> 00:52:59,360
them in a corner and I haven't cornered, and at

879
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,960
that point they're not if they're not meant to be there,

880
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,400
which you say they aren't. I literally embraced that and

881
00:53:05,519 --> 00:53:08,639
shine light and blow them into the earth through and

882
00:53:08,679 --> 00:53:11,079
they don't come out if I don't do a good job.

883
00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:15,519
Often you'll see anybody who's in the vicinity will feel

884
00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:17,320
a clean energy.

885
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 4: So we have to stop and clear everybody. But usually

886
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:21,440
the earth.

887
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 2: Handles it no problem. But there's a real pure example

888
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,519
of pure intent. If you don't have pure intent, do

889
00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:32,280
not follow them. Yeah, back off, leave it alone for

890
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,360
somebody else another time, you know.

891
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 4: But there's lots of that kind of stuff.

892
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fascinating because I mean I've had some stranger

893
00:53:40,679 --> 00:53:43,480
my last torst I lost a few years ago. I

894
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,480
mean I've had he used to have a lot of

895
00:53:46,639 --> 00:53:49,519
things like that, and I've had experiences where I've like

896
00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:51,760
had my hand on his hoof and I've felt the

897
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,519
hoof pulse as if it was a drum skin and

898
00:53:54,599 --> 00:53:57,280
someone's beat it from the other side, and it was

899
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,960
like through the hoof wall, which is theoretically sort of solid,

900
00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:04,280
more solid than flet and it's like and he looked

901
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:05,960
at me, and I looked at him, and I was like,

902
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:08,960
what the hell was that, because it was like something

903
00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:12,679
came up, rose up and pulsed against my hand. And

904
00:54:13,159 --> 00:54:16,079
it was the bizarrest thing because I got my hand

905
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:17,800
on his heath, so you couldn't say, oh, it's a

906
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,679
muscle twitch or something. And I've had the same thing,

907
00:54:19,679 --> 00:54:22,119
whether I've have my hand on the rip his ribs.

908
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,199
It's almost like something's come up out of the depths

909
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,760
and sort of pulsed against my hand and then gone again.

910
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,800
And I was just like that, that's not hoarse, that

911
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,119
you know, And like you say, it's sort of like

912
00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:38,159
trying to decide whether to hang on to it or

913
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,159
whether to sort of just leave it beef for now

914
00:54:40,159 --> 00:54:42,280
and then just keep an eye on And like you say,

915
00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:45,000
weren't you're in a situation to deal with it better

916
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:48,079
because you don't always know quite what's on the other

917
00:54:48,199 --> 00:54:48,960
end of it.

918
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: Because that's true, that's true, and sometimes you best leave

919
00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:56,239
it alone. But I think it's best to get a

920
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,960
sense of when you basically barely touch it or pick

921
00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:03,320
up the energy of it.

922
00:55:02,119 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 4: Is this serving this being?

923
00:55:03,639 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 2: I literally asked the horse, is this something that you

924
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:11,320
choose to have? And then even then is it something

925
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,920
that are you meant to remove? To transmute would be

926
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:19,599
a better term, and not to release, but to let

927
00:55:19,639 --> 00:55:23,639
it go into transmutation. Releasing it will come back maybe softer.

928
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:28,559
But and then there are energies that are benevolent and

929
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,719
or are benevolitally intended.

930
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 4: Let's just put it that way.

931
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 2: So I tend to at this point in time want

932
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,360
to ask the horse, is this something you need anymore?

933
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,159
Speaker 4: And most horse of all automatically no, go for it.

934
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,679
Speaker 2: Go for it. And at that point I think we

935
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:52,199
partner with other beings and it must be it has

936
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,280
to be absolutely pure intent, or don't go there. Those

937
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,239
energies are not usually even the real strong ones that

938
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,280
create all kinds of nasty reactions. Usually they are not

939
00:56:03,519 --> 00:56:04,280
that powerful.

940
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 4: If you.

941
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,519
Speaker 2: Have that kind of strong intention, when you're doubting, is

942
00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:11,639
when you're going to get in trouble.

943
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I learned that way, the hard way, you know.

944
00:56:16,159 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 2: So uh yeah, and you know where you don't believe

945
00:56:20,519 --> 00:56:23,880
that's really going on, and then you go, oh, don't

946
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,559
play with fire unless you're willing to put it out.

947
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

948
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 3: Yes, I can concur with that.

949
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And then what I feeling from your site

950
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is there's a lot of discarnates there.

951
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Speaker 3: Yes, there is, and that.

952
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Speaker 2: Is a different type of thing than a whole different process.

953
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You don't blow those out. You help them, Yeah, you

954
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negotiate them to leave and to go home.

955
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Speaker 3: Yes, that's this thing. I mean, like with my journey

956
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with the horses, I started off with the entities and

957
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then ended up with dicarnate. So it like I've sort

958
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,519
of I've weirdly found it easier to deal with the

959
00:57:04,639 --> 00:57:08,880
entities than the discarnate. Yes, I'm still figuring that one out.

960
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But there is a lot around here. I don't know

961
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about kerries. And but I mean where I live is

962
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:18,840
very old, and like say, the horses just seem to

963
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:23,599
you know, souk them up. It's like it's icons.

964
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Speaker 4: Yeah, there are magnets to certain people that like that.

965
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Speaker 2: Usually it's a person that well, they utilize the horses

966
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:36,199
to feel moralive right, So like out here where I'm

967
00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:39,679
at historically would be very young compared to you guys

968
00:57:39,719 --> 00:57:43,840
are extremely young. Yet there is a pretty good percentage

969
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of discarnates because this was the area where the California

970
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,280
Gold Rust was in the eighteen hundreds, and so it

971
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,400
was a massive migration quickly of human beings. In fact,

972
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,960
I guess it was the largest single mass migration in

973
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,559
the planet. And the point is they all came here

974
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in a very quick time and a lot of people

975
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:08,920
lost their life violently in a small geographical area. So yeah,

976
00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:13,599
you get people that didn't quite pass over properly. And anyway,

977
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you'll see that horses pick them up at times, or

978
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their owners and then the horse picks kind of messes

979
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with it that way.

980
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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's fascinating, absolutely fascinating. Kerry, I better hand

981
00:58:27,039 --> 00:58:32,280
back to you because I'm talking about Yeah. No, I

982
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:37,960
definitely would love to hear the paranormal is my bag.

983
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Speaker 1: I have a little bit more experience, but I've learned

984
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so much from this evening, so I want to say

985
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thank you so much for joining us. We are coming

986
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to the end of the show, so we definitely will

987
00:58:47,639 --> 00:58:50,639
want to book in a part two, because I'd love

988
00:58:50,679 --> 00:58:54,480
to hear more about those experiences. So those that have

989
00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:56,960
listened this evening, if they want to reach out to you,

990
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,639
or they want to find out more about you or

991
00:58:59,719 --> 00:59:03,039
cea more of your content, where would be the best

992
00:59:03,039 --> 00:59:05,400
way of being able to reach out or see that?

993
00:59:06,719 --> 00:59:10,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably website, So it's Tommays dot net. T O

994
00:59:10,719 --> 00:59:17,519
M M A yes, dot net. I'm I have some

995
00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:26,440
YouTube videos, a few other podcasts are floating around, and

996
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:29,559
but probably that would be the best jump jump off

997
00:59:29,639 --> 00:59:33,800
right there. You know, my kind of push now is

998
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to put out some more videos that go into deeper aspects,

999
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you know, and Facebook as well. Integrated Equine Therapies is

1000
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the name of my company, and so there are some

1001
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:52,840
posts on that. Some of them allude to exactly what

1002
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,559
we're talking about in different ways, right. I just did

1003
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one on calling in the ancestors to a horse and

1004
00:59:58,719 --> 01:00:01,400
what it means and what it does in the three

1005
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,440
D world and it's kind of a natural aspect of

1006
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,280
equist to do that and so stuff like that.

1007
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Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, we'll make sure to share some of

1008
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that onto our Facebook pages.

1009
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Thank you.

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01:00:20,039 --> 01:00:21,679
Speaker 4: My pleasure has been great talking with you.

1011
01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I really appre I really appreciate the

1012
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,639
advice as well, because I'm so going to do that

1013
01:00:26,679 --> 01:00:32,199
with my horse. It's like, yeah, that's that's just like

1014
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,599
quite exciting. I love that. Thank you, thank you for that.

1015
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Speaker 1: So I want to say thank you for everyone that's

1016
01:00:40,719 --> 01:00:43,800
joined us today, this evening, this morning, wherever you are

1017
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:47,039
in the world, and we shall be back next week.

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Speaker 5: Bye Pact the best by reading