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Speaker 1: Why should taxpayers fund the soda and candy habits of

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people on food stamps? How long will Texas Democrats hide

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out in the massive shadow of Illinois Governor JB. Pritzker?

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And will people finally go to prison for Obamagate? All

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that and more on the Kylie Cast. Hi everybody, and

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welcome to the Kylie Cast. I'm Kylie Griswold, Managing editor

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at The Federalist. Be sure to like and subscribe wherever

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the show, be sure to go check out the full

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video version on my personal YouTube channel or the Federalist

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channel on Rumble. As always, you can email the show

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at radio at the Federalist dot com. I would love

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to hear from you. I don't know about you, but

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I am so not tired of winning.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna win so much you may even get tired.

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Speaker 1: You know, thanks to democrats endless resistance efforts. Sometimes conservative

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progress feels like one step forward, five steps back. But

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this week we are marching forward baby. For starters, we

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got a big old Maha victory. On Monday, Trump's Agriculture

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Secretary Brook Rawlins authorized waivers for six new states that

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want to limit the sugary junk people can buy on

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food stamps, bringing the total number of states with approval

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to limit these taxpayer funded SNAP benefits to twelve. This

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is just common sense when you consider that SNAP literally

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stands for Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. Nutrition is in the name,

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but meanwhile it funds garbage food and drinks that fuel

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obesity and diabetes, such as soda, other sugary drinks, candy,

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and processed junk, and SNAP is bankrolled by tax dollars. So,

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in other words, the US government is literally using the

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tax dollars of hard working Americans to subsidize the unhealthy

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habits of life low income and non working Americans, which

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basically just ensures that these welfare recipients will require yet

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more government spending in the form of medicaid for all

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their junk food induced health problems. HHS Secretary RFK Junior,

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the face of Make America Healthy Again, made this exact point.

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Speaker 3: This week.

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Speaker 4: We're spending four hundred and five million dollars a day

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on SNAP and about ten percent is going to sugary

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drinks between and if you add candies to that, it's

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about thirteen to seventeen percent. And we all believe in

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free choice. We live in a democracy. People can make

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their own choice about what they're going to buy and

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what they're not going to buy. If you want to

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buy a sugary soda, you ought to be able to

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do that as a US taxpayer should not pay for it.

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Speaker 2: And the US taxpayers.

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Speaker 4: Should not be paying to feed kids foods the forest.

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give them diabetes, and then my agency ends up through

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Medicaid and medicare paying for those injuries. We're going to

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put an end to that, and we're doing.

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Speaker 1: State, putting a methodical end to it. Yes, bravo. Now

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this is a win on a policy level, yes, but

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it's also a win for culture. Body positivity has had

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its time in the sun. You've all seen the Lizo

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magazine covers and the self care speak that pushes for

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fat acceptance and basically demonizes healthy people as fat phobic.

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that pretends that all choices are equally valid and good

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and healthy, because they're obviously not. Some discrimination is actually good,

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like discriminating against a bag of airhead extremes in favor

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of some carrots or an apple or some real clean protein.

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able to make value judgments for ourselves, yes, but also

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on a societal level. No, a mountain dew, big mac,

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and little Debbie snack are not nutritious lunch, and we

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don't need to pretend they are. And we certainly don't

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need to stamp them with the endorsement of the government

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by bankrolling them with billions of tax dollars per year,

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especially when four and ten Americans is considered obese. So

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that's win number one. Win number two this week came

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courtesy of Texas Governor Greg Abbott, who exposed just how

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insane Democrat state lawmakers and their media enablers are after

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a group of Democrat legislators fled the state to avoid

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a vote on some mid decade redistricting. But here's the

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really funny part. These whiny Democrats who are making the

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redistricting out to be an unprecedented attack on democracy are

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hiding out in Illinois and New York, two of the

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most gerrymandered states in the entire US. But of course,

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without these lawmakers. The Texas Legislature doesn't have a quorum.

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on the congressional maps. So in response, Governor Abbott threatened

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the vote. But this is nothing new, so it's absurd

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to avoid voting on some ridiculous climate change legislation, and

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aren't the only analogs. The Federalists senior elections correspondent Matt

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comparing the Texas situation to a similar debacle that happened

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in Wisconsin in twenty eleven, and he is here to

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join me now to discuss Welcome to the Kylie Cast, Matt.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's great to be here. I love the Kylie Cast.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much. It's so great to have you, my fellow. Well,

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you are prior Wisconsinine, so it's always great to see

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a familiar and friendly Midwest nice face.

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Speaker 2: We are Midwest nice is what they call as I'm

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of course in the Des Moines area now, but grew up,

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spent much of my life in the dairy state, and

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as a proud cheesehead one she's head to another. I'm

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very excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: Awesome God's country as we like to call it here. Indeed, indeed, so, Matt,

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you wrote about Wisconsin this week. Can you give us

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a rundown of this twenty eleven Wisconsin redistricting situation and

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explain how exactly it's similar to this Texas dust up.

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the left in the Democratic Party in Texas. They are

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desperate to hold on to something Democrats in this country

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because they have lost everything, and that is a loss

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of their own making, of course, their own failed policy

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ideas and their own agenda. And that was the case

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in Wisconsin back in twenty eleven. If you recall, we

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go back nearly a decade and a half ago, the

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Republican revolution across the country had just swept in a

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Republican majority in the Wisconsin state Legislature, its Assembly and

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into the Governor's office and immediately the governor and the

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Republican controlled legislature had to come up with a budget

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fix to take care of a I believe it was

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a massive multi billion dollar deficit at that time. To

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for years, and that was an out of control public

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sector union base more powerful than you can imagine. There

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public sector contract negotiations. So what the Republicans opted to

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do put a plan in place to reform collective bargaining

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public sector collective bargaining in the state, and of course

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the left, driven by big labor, went just absolutely nuts.

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broadcast television, NBCABCCBS comparing the Great Protest, the union funded

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protest in Madison, Wisconsin, to the Arab Spring that was

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going on again in the Middle East, where people who

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truly had suffered for years and years under autocrats religious

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theocracies were fighting for democracy, although there were different motivations

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as well for that too, but nonetheless, to compare what

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tantrum and the Democrat temper tantrum in Wisconsin was beyond

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the pale. But that's what our accomplished media does. We

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know that. So, looking at losing the battle, the Democrats

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in the Minority and the Senate decided, if we can't

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beat them, we'll escape them. And that is exactly what

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they did. They absconded to Illinois, where they were safe

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in the arms of the blue state leftist and they

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stayed there for a long time attempting to and they

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were successful for a few weeks to stall the vote

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on what became Act ten, the reforms to collective bargaining

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that significantly limited public sector unions from taking advantage of

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Wisconsin taxpayers over and over again. But there was an

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interesting turn, and I'm curious if Republicans in Texas will

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do what Republicans in Wisconsin did. They're a little different situations,

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so I'm not sure they can. But ultimately Senate Republicans

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took out Act ten of the Budget Repair Bill, and

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they took out all of the fiscal provisions, and so

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in state law, you did not need a quorum to

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deal with non fiscal issues, and that is exactly what

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the Senate did. They beat the Democrats at their own game.

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the National Democratic Party, Republicans in the Senate got down

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to work. They passed Act ten by a vote of

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eighteen to one all Republicans. The next day it passed

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with all Republicans in the Assembly, and Act ten became law.

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Speaker 1: Of course.

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redistricting in general, which I think is one of the

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funniest parts of the story. Wisconsin specifically, Democrats made redrawing

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electing the most recent liberal judge to the Wisconsin Supreme Court,

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so that this is something that they cry foul on.

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more power. And in fact, I want to get your

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reaction to this op ed from New York Governor Kathy Hokel,

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New York. She wrote this piece in the Houston Chronicle,

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and it just it killed me when I read it,

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and I want your reaction, Matt. Here it is, she says, quote.

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redraw our maps in New York. If Republicans are changing

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the rules, we'll meet them on the same field, with strategy,

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with resolve, and without apology. Will say this is too aggressive.

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I say it's necessary. What Texas Republicans are doing under

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our capital. But using a legal system doesn't make it legitimate.

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It's a hijacking of democracy and it must be stopped. So, Matt,

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which is it. Is it an insurrection that must be

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stopped or is it something that they will also do

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because it's aggressive but necessary, they're going to change the rules.

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and the whole thing is just logically inconsistent, completely incomprehensible.

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It doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, are you sure her name is

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in Governor Kathy Holcomb, Because that's exactly what we are

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being sold by this Democrat and others like her. Oh

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my gosh, it's an insurrection these folks. Let me tell you,

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the Democrats in this country know a thing or two

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about insurrection, because they're behind arguably the biggest insurrection election

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interference scandal of of our lifetimes, if not the history

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of this country in Russia Gate, of course, where they

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did indeed try to hold a soft coup, if you will,

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using the deep state and the intelligence officials in the

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Obama White House to set in motion what became the

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Russia collusion hoax. When it comes to redistricting, they also

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it comes to jerrymandering. The left is nothing if not

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great projectionist, and this is absolute projections. Let me tell

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you something. Illinois is, as you mentioned before, perhaps the

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most jerry mandered state in the Union. Remember, Illinois is

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the land of Lincoln, Abraham Lincoln in essence, the father

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of the Republican Party in Illinois. Under JB. Pritzker and

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a a Democrat dominated legislature, they put in place a

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plan to take five Republican districts, that's all they had,

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representation where had been for years it has It's not

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just yours truly, calling Illinois arguably the most jerrymandered state

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in the country. People who work in this area of mapping,

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congressional mapping, in this legal expertise have noted it as such.

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The threats are coming from Gavin Newsom in California, JB.

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If they come from JP Pritzker in Illinois, I'm afraid

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everyone's going to have to have a good chuckle and say, well,

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wait a minute, how much more jerry mandarin can you

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do in this eight It is the height of hypocrisy,

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It is the height of arrogance, and it is exactly

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what happens when you have more than an irresponsible media,

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a complicit media that is going along once again for

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the right, just as they did in the state of

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Wisconsin and nationally in twenty eleven during the big public

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temper tantrum of Democrat senators. There.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. I actually have a graphic. It is

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the congressional maps for Illinois. This is a reminder if

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you are just listening to the Kylie Cast on Apple

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Podcasts or Spotify, you should be watching it on YouTube

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or rumble where you can actually see these graphics. But

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take a look at this, Matt. Look at the way

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that seventeen sixteen, fifteen thirteen. The way they snake around

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is just so absurd. I mean, this is the height

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of jerrymanderin right here in Illinois.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this would send Elbridge, Jerry, former governor of Massachusetts,

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spinning in his grave. You know, that's where all of

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this came from. Jerrymander is the salamander to make it

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slithering all of these districts just to fit a political motive.

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But here's the thing. What the Supreme Court has essentially

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said over time is what is the case, and that

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is to the victor, go the spoils. If you win,

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you get to set the maps. Now, there are some

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limits on that, but clearly, as you took a look

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at that congressional map in Illinois, there aren't many limits

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on that because that is one colorful, snaking chart just

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to keep Democrats in just absolute control to the near

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extinction of Republicans in Illinois.

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Speaker 1: Right. I think you're right that it's typical Democrat projection

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and propaganda. And of course the media are not going

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to hold any Democrats accountable for that, but you also

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brought up Gavin Newsom. And I saw this tweet from

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Gavin Newsom, biggest state in the Union, and I'm like,

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are they just that ignorant? Are they just projecting? Or

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are they that ignorant about how these congressional maps work.

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Here's Gavin Newsom's tweet, and I'm kind of blind, so

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I'm going to try to read this. He quote tweets

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DC Dreno and says, oh cool, I can do that too.

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Red states with zero DEM House seats, and then he

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lists upon a bunch of red states with zero DEM

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House seats, and the last four in this list are Alaska,

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North Dakota, South Dakota, and Wyoming, all of which only

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have one House seat which goes to Republicans. This is

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not a result of jerry mandering. This is a result

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of what we call apportionment. This is how population works.

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Speaker 2: Well, and it's also how Gavin Newsom works. Because Gavin

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Newsom apparently is stupid, so stupid that he thinks the

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rest of us are stupid. That's absolutely right. You are

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in a red state, you have one representative based on

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the numbers that you are allowed that's age old constitutional

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representation and the apportionment of that. So it doesn't come

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to me as any surprise that Gavin Newsom would try

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to gaslight through that kind of thing. It is surprising

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to me that Gavin Newsom would have the temerity to say, oh,

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you Republicans and the kaycal whole idea of you know,

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you're undercutting democracy, You're the threat to democracy, when we

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have seen over and over again the Democrats, including Gavin Newsom,

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Kathy Hochel, JB. Pritzker, and the Democrats in Texas who

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are fleeing their jobs, their duty under the constitution. That's

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what the Governor Greg Abbott said, and I think he

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was absolutely right, just as Governor Scott Walker then in

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Wisconsin was right. Do your damn job, right, That's what

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the people elected you to do. And your job is

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not to run away or pull some political stunt. Your

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job is to debate. If you don't like the proposal,

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you fight like hell on the halls of in the

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halls of your legislature, but you have to vote, and

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if it doesn't work out for you, then you take

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other remedies. Maybe you go through the courts like they

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will do ultimately when this passes. But for Gavin Newsom

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to say anything about, you know, Republicans taking advantage of

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poor Democrats, that is the motto of California in reverse.

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They have almost driven extinct Republicans in that state's legislature

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and certainly in its congressional representation. And they have done

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that by a scheme that involves counting massive amounts of

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ilegal immigrants in their population totals to gain the system.

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That's one of the greatest travesties threats to democracy in

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this country. It has been for a long time, and.

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Speaker 1: You won't hear a single member of the media say

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a word about that, which is just wildly more problematic

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than redistricting.

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Speaker 2: Yes, definitely, yes it is, and it's got to change.

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Speaker 1: So, Matt, how do you think this whole Texas situation ends.

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You mentioned that the dynamics that play are a bit

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different than Wisconsin. Maybe there's not something they can just

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pull out of the legislation to make it quorum proof

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for you know, however you want to say it, But

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is there any maneuver that Texas has to replicate what

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Wisconsin did that you can see so that they can

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hold the boat without the Democrats, or they just have

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to wait for them to come home. What's the play here?

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Speaker 2: It does the next play is clearly in the court system.

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The district court will have to step in and rule, Okay,

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you are violating the terms of your agreement with your voters.

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You are not representing them. And they of course claim

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that they're representing them by not representing them, and maybe

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a lot of their constituents in these Democrat controlled districts

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are hailing them as heroes. But they ultimately have to

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do their jobs, and a court can do what it

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needs to do to make sure that those jobs are

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being followed. There is, as the governor has put forward,

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and he's right to do so, there is a mechanism

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to expel members of the legislature that takes away the

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necessary quorum numbers that are in place right now. So

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it's a matter of time and it's a matter of math,

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and we may get there. I think it's a matter

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of these stunts only work so long. I think some

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members will be returning home because they ultimately have families

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too that they want to see, and their bravery, of course,

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will fade the longer they stay away. So we'll see

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you again. Wisconsin Democrats pulled this stunt for a few weeks.

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Republicans finally said, Okay, we're not going to play their

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games anymore. We're going to find a way to get

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around it, and they did so expertly. I think Texas

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ultimate Texas Republicans ultimately will. If not, I think that

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the courts will have something definitely to say about it well.

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Speaker 1: And they don't need that many of them to come

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home to get the quorum. I think there's what fifty

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of them that fled, and then they only need less

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than ten to meet that quorum threshold. And not only

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do they have families back home, but I assume many

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of them also have other jobs. They're not getting paid

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well to serve in the Texas legislature, so they all

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work remotely or you know, have some weird arrangement. They're

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probably going to have to return home to get back

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to work in both senses. And I also want to

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know who's paying for them to be in Illinois, because

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there's got to be something going on there too. I

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don't have an answer to that, but UH share that. Yeah,

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I think yeah, I think so too.

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Speaker 2: I think so, yeah, let's let's face it, Kylie, those

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French Fries aren't going to fry themselves, so they got

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to get back to their jobs. They have things that

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they that they're managers in the drive through want them

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to a complex, so that's right.

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Speaker 1: They would never dare to stoop that low. Matt, don't

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don't kid yourself.

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Speaker 2: Indeed.

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Speaker 1: All right, Matt, thanks so much. I appreciate you joining

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me today. I hope to have you back again really soon.

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Everybody go check out Matt's piece at the Federalist. It's

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called it won't end well for Texas Dems fleeing their duties,

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just ask Wisconsin liberals. Thanks so much, Matt, appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you anytime.

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Speaker 1: So that was win number two. The third win of

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the week was something we have all been waiting for

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for quite a while. After several tranches of Russiagate documents

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from John Radcliffe, Tulsea Gabbard, and now the declassified Durham

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Annex released by Senator Chuck Grassley, we learned that Gabbard,

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the Director of National Intelligence, made criminal referrals finally to

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the Department of Justice. Attorney General Pam Bondi then ordered

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the launching of a grand jury investigation, and, according to

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exclusive reporting from the Federalist Sean Davis, the DOJ then

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requested a bunch more documents from Gabbard's office. Davis reports that,

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in addition to requesting all documents, intelligence and correspondence related

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to Gabbert's Gabbard's Memo exposing the Rushigate conspiracy, the DOJ

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letter also requests all records supporting the recently declassified Hipsie Report,

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which is the oversight report from the House Permanent Select

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Committee on intelligence, all information related to whistleblower complaints about Brennan,

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Clapper and Comy's role in the hoax, and the identification

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of everyone cited in Gabbard's memo, the Hipsie Report, whistleblower records,

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and the infamous and totally fabricated final Intelligence Community Assessment

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known as the ICA. The letter also reportedly requests records

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related to how the Inspector General for the DOJ and

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Intel community handled the whistleblower complaints, and Davis writes quote

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the text of the letter also suggests that the DOJ

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may be looking into whether any media leaks related to

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the ICA the Intelligence Community Assessment may have been criminal

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end quote. So a grand jury is being impaneled and

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a federal prosecutor will be reviewing the explosive documents. This

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is very huge stuff. Federalist senior contributor Ben Winegarten had

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an excellent piece at The Federalist this week about why

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it is indeed so important that we get justice for

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Russiagate that somebody finally goes to prison, must go to prison,

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also why it's going to be so tricky to do that.

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So please welcome Ben Winegarden here to join me now, Ben,

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I played that clip when I talked about this last week,

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but I think I'm obligated to continue playing it until

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someone goes to prison. And also you are, Ben, so

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it felt like it just felt right to play it now,

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So welcome.

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Speaker 6: I appreciate that. Tough to follow up that clip, I'll

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do my best here.

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Speaker 1: It's a classic thank you National treasure for that one. So, Ben,

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you write that under Obama's direction, Intel and National Security

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ofials coordinated with the media and the Clinton campaign to

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frame Trump as a foreign stooge. You write, quote, absent

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justice for Obamagate. The lesson to the conspirators is that

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they should go even bigger next time. This would be

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catastrophic end quote. And of course I agree, and it

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turns out so do the majority of voters. A Rasmussen

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poll came out on Monday showing that the majority of

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respondents said they believe Obama's deep state quote committed crimes

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in Russiagate, and more than two thirds almost seventy percent

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said there must be consequences for the crimes committed. Ben,

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can you describe what justice should even look like here

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and why you think the American people are so insistent

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on accountability when there's a million things they probably want

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to see accountability on, but Russiagate seems to be a

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pretty darn big one.

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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, I think that the poll is

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very heartening in that it shows that despite or maybe

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because of the media media propaganda that's been pumped in

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over the last eight years plus. Obviously longer than eight years,

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but certainly over the last eight plus years, people are

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not desensitized to it. They're actually to it, and they

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recognize that there has been a constant stream of efforts

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to delegitimize, destroy jail, and ultimately attempts obviously to assassinate

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President Trump, but as a proxy in part for tens

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of millions of Americans who have rejected ruling class ran

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and they understand then, I think intuitively, first of all,

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the notion that russia Gate, or Obamagate as it probably

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ought to be called, because it all happened under Barack Obama,

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and he's been the man sort of insulated by all

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of these key players, whether it's Brennan Komi, Clapper or

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Susan Rice, we can work down the list, but of

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course the bucks with him, he was in that infamous

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meeting where Susan Rice then wrote the email in the

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last minutes of the Obama presidency about doing things by

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the book so called, and it was his government, essentially,

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his national security and intelligence apparatus, that was responsible for

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starting Russia gates, and then of course those deep state

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actors continued on through much of the first Trump term.

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So first thing I'd say is it's heartening that Americans

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understand the stakes here that if heads don't roll, if

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there are not massive, severe consequences commensurate with the severity

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of this abuse of power and attempt to disenfranchise tens

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of millions of Americans and also frankly genuinely prohibit the

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peaceful transfer of power, that we're not going to have

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a republic at the end of the day.

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Speaker 3: And it would just validate the corruption and the arguable.

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Speaker 6: Criminality at hand, and what I believe is criminality at hand.

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So what does justice look like to the extent you

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can get it?

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Speaker 3: To my mind? And I lay this out in my column.

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Speaker 6: There's the ideal and then there's what's going to be

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practically possible. And it's not clear whether the practical is

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going to meet the ideal, But to me, The starting

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point is you have to have total and absolute transparency

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into the quote unquote investigations into the Trump into Trump

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and then the investigations of the investigators. And we're starting

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to get that, obviously, and it's amazing we're talking about

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events that were nine years ago and finally starting to

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get full transparency, even though we don't have fully unretacted documents,

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even for the documents that have been declassified and shared

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with the American people, you need to know the origins

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of the origins, so to speak, with respect to Obamagate,

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you need to know every single player involved, who knew what, when,

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what did they do with it.

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Speaker 3: You need to be able to compare the.

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Speaker 6: Public statements and the sworn testimony to what was actually

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going going on behind the scenes. And you need to

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know every player involved. And that includes, of course, notably

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and when talking about what the DOJ is looking for,

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including the media leaks, anyone and everyone who could be

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implicated in criminality or who might know something to do

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the kind of ground up investigation that you actually need.

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And then the other part purpose I think of the

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transparency is that the American people need to see it

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with their own eyes and they need to have the

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source documents to the extent they can. So the first

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step is transparency. The second step, obviously is accountability. And

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part of that accountability, of course, should be ought to

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be that the American people distrust and all of the

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individuals implicated are entirely discredited.

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Speaker 3: That's obviously number one.

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Speaker 6: But number two, of course, is to the extent crimes

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were committed, or to the extent let's take the non crimes.

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Speaker 3: Let's start there.

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Speaker 6: Non crimes were committed, and anyone who has been implicated, however,

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in the corruption, is still operating in the federal government,

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still has security clearance, still gets any and all the

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advantages of their government service. Those advantages need to be

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eliminated full stop. It's not clear that that's necessarily happened,

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because how many protege is and subordinates of the likes

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of Comie, Clapper and Brannan who might be implicated in

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these acts are still working in the federal government.

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Speaker 3: I bet a number of them.

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Speaker 6: Beyond that, though, of course, is the criminality, and so

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you have to unearth the crimes, marshal the evidence necessary

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to prosecute them, and then you would need to go

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after those people to the fullest extent of the law

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on the merits, and then also as a deterrent and

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to genuinely show that no one is above the law,

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and that there will be a dear cost, a severe

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cost to abusing powers to effectively undermine the republic and

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again disenfranchise tens of millions of voters. And then last

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but obvious, they are all the victims of Obamagate, people

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whose lives were abended, being investigated under false pretenses, whose

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civil liberty is were eviscerated. Think of course of the

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likes of Carter Page, for example, whose coffers were completely

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drained trying to pay for legal counsel, and who will

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never be able to get their reputations back, their careers back,

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the damage done to the families, it's incalculable, the number

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of people that we're talking about and the level of

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damage done to them, not to mention, of course, the

554
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chilling effect, which itself will prevent good people from serving

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probably for generations after this. So restitution recompense would be

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the last part of it. And so now we have

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started to get more and more transparency, thank god, even

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if it's nine years on and it appears that we

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are getting towards justice quad justice, which is prosecutions. But

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as I lay out in the Peace, of course, there

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are a number of potential stumbling blocks here to securing convictions.

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And that's even setting aside all of the other the

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duress effectively that prosecutors are going to be working under it,

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and that the America people might suffer from once the

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resistance is unleashed to the extent we actually get prosecutions.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, So can you speak a little bit to

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what those main roadblocks are? Like, why is achieving justice

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going to be so tricky in this case? And you know,

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does the news this week about the grand jury and

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about the federal prosecutor give you any more hope that

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some of these roadblocks will be overcome or do you

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think it will truly be, you know, nigh impossible to

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actually achieve justice here.

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Speaker 6: Let me start with the most pessimistic view would be

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the our cynical view would be that grand jury probe

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is likely to commence and a there are no indictments

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that results from that. I think that's almost zero percent

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chance because I think I don't think that the DOJ

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would start this process if they didn't intend to see

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it through to the end. So let's assume that there

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are indictments that come down, and there is value to

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that alone, to those indictments coming down, because it shows

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minimally that if you were implicated in criminality with respect

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to Obamagate, that you're going to face the punishment of

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a legal process, just like the punishment of the legal

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process that was meted out to innocent people in response

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to Obamagate. Then we get to what are the actual

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charges look like and can you prove those charges? And

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then where can you prove those charges? So start with

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the charges. It's very vague at this point what potentially

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those charges might look like, but some legal scholars have said,

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and I think it's also fair to surmise that the

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most obvious off the bat is perjury when you match

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up the statements, the sworn statements of the likes of

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the Brennan's comes Clappers, et cetera, with what was actually happening,

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For example, with respect to the inclusion of the Steele

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dossier as a key source or substantial creator for the

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most provocative and damning claims and probably and unsupported claims

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that appears in the ICA about Russia of favoring Trump

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and wanting to help Trump beat Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 3: When you look at.

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Speaker 6: The private the private acts and what was actually produced

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versus what was stated publicly, certainly looks like perjury, looks

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like they're dead to rights to the extent the statute

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of limitations is extent there, and so you have to

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look at what was the last statement that looks like

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a lie relative to what the truth was, and then

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you can bring those charges. But there are other potential

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charges where the statute statute of limitation issue may not

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be a barrier, that could be a challenge.

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Speaker 3: And so that.

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Speaker 6: Includes and I think there is a level of justice

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here in terms of hoisting the resistance on its own

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petard when it comes to charges like conspiracy to defraud

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the US or conspiracy to violate the rights of Donald

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Trump or many people in and around his orbit. When

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you read those charges, the question is going to be

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at least the way that a court would presumably look

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at it, And what the administration or what the DOJ

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will have to think through is can you find analogs here?

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And if you can't find analogs, what's your best argument

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for applying these charges to the conduct that we saw

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and I'm not a lawyer, but in some ways there's

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a political aspect to this, and then there's the legal

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aspect of this as well. If you were on the

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other side, that is, if you were on the Jack

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Smith side, you had no qualms about bringing these charges

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in Washington, DC, for example, because you knew that you

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would have a favorable judge and a favorable jury most likely,

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even if the charges are novel, and even if they

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haven't been applied before. Now maybe to the Trump DOJ's benefit,

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you had the Biden DOJ seeking to prosecute Trump on

633
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these sorts of grounds. So there is a precedent perhaps,

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and that's why I talk about hoisting them on their

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own petard and there being some justice to it. But

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it's yet to be seen whether or not you can

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make these cases. But let's assume you can sufficiently make

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these cases.

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Speaker 3: Then the next part of it is the.

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Speaker 6: Venue where are you bringing these prosecutions? And again the

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scuttle butt here and what legal scholars have noted is

642
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obviously DC is probably the most hostile venue possible. But

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can you make a case that some or all of

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the acts which are involved in a criminal conspiracy or

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pertaining to perjury, etc. Maybe other charges that we haven't

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even conceived of, because presumably prosecutors can be very creative

647
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and many things are criminalized to the extent they're applied.

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What's the venue where can you actually get a fair shake, essentially,

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as the DOJ in this case, And it's been speculated

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that Florida is.

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Speaker 3: The likely venue. It's yet to be seen. We'll have

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to see if that's the case.

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Speaker 6: But so it really comes down to can you make

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those charges stick to the statutes of limitation? Are you

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inside or outside of the statutes of limitation? And then

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can you actually win? And then beyond that, if you

657
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win at what cost? If you lose at what cost?

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And those are all things that require both legal judgment,

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practical judgments, and then wisdom and courage as well, because

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you know that on the other side of this, no

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matter what happens. And again, luckily perhaps the American people

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see through the regime media at this point, but of

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course you know they're all are already going with this

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is retribution.

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Speaker 3: There's no there there. This is authoritarian.

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Speaker 6: He's trying to he's trying to lock up his political foes,

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which of course is exactly what our rule in regime

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tried to do it to Donald Trump up and many

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in and around his orbit, and try to destroy anyone

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who would dare represent these individuals in the court of law.

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That persists, by the way, when you look at, for example,

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of this effort to try to disbar Jeff Clark.

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Speaker 3: For example.

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Speaker 6: But the bottom line is that you were going to

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have maybe the ultimate hysterical Trump derangement syndrome response. To

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the extent you have prosecutions of these individuals, and to

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the extent you secure any convictions. But of course there's

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a massive cost to not seeking to secure these convictions

679
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and not actually securing them, because again, it simply validates

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the efforts of the other side, and it will only

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make them that more zealous when they get back into

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total power over the federal government to use and abuse

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those powers to criminalize dissent. They of course have done

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everything they claim their opponents would do and worse. But

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the stakes of this are of course again that you're

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going to see, in my view, to the extent we

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actual we go through with prosecutions, let alone secure convictions,

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you're going to see street actions, You're going to see

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regime media propagating a level of propaganda that will rival

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anything that we've seen to date. And then of course

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you're going to have a counter response from the left's

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lawfare mechanism, which is going to be egregious. And then

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of course you have the more kind of near term

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political considerations. All of the wobbly members of the House

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and Senate on the Republican side, are they going to

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get weak needed when it comes to this, Is there

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going to be political blowback repercussions? Could you have a

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loss of the House or a loss of the Senate. Again,

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public sentiment here gives me some optimism and confidence that

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you're not going to have that sort of issue.

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Speaker 3: So let's hope that the.

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Speaker 6: American people continue to see what the truth is here,

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and let's see more transparency, because I think that's only

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going to fuel the cause for needed justice.

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Speaker 1: Right it seems to me that the stakes or I

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guess the risks of making a half hearted effort and

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not walking away with convictions are much higher than any

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potential political blowback in the mid terms if you do

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secure convictions or you know, any potential media blowback, which

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I mean the trust in media has tanked. I mean,

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even trusted media now versus in twenty sixteen is like

712
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markedly different. And so you know, I think I think

713
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the biggest risk is only making a half hearted effort,

714
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not actually walking away with any convictions and just you know,

715
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,760
useless Republicans being useless Republicans, and not actually securing any

716
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:30,079
victories for Republicans, for their constituents, what have you. You

717
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:33,519
also talked about the victims of this, of course, Carter Page,

718
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and I mean, there have been many, but I'm also

719
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just thinking about the American people as a whole being

720
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victims of this, and the way that you know, Donald

721
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,000
Trump only only got eight years four years under the

722
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:48,639
Russia hoax, and just how much opportunity and time was

723
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,719
lost that just can never be recovered. And I hope

724
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that prosecutors just get really creative and in the way

725
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,159
that Democrat prosecutors have gotten creative in coming up with

726
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,000
you know, legitimate but unique legal means to go after

727
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the co conspirators here. And yeah, you brought up the

728
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statute of limitations to on potential crimes. But then every

729
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day we see the media still peddling the same hoax,

730
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up to and including Clapper and Brennan themselves pending their

731
00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:19,679
own piece in the New York Times that's full of lies,

732
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full of the same Russia Gate lies, the same lies

733
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they told under oath. I mean in your mind, and

734
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you're not a lawyer, but does this extend the statute

735
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,679
of limitations at all? Are they just engaging in more

736
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,639
obstruction of justice or conspiracy here or do you think

737
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that doesn't apply?

738
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Speaker 6: Well, I think in the court of public opinion, it's

739
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a conspiracy that's very.

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Speaker 3: Live and well.

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Speaker 6: Look no further than what they wrote in the New

742
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York Times a week before recording this, where they continue

743
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to gas light and obvious gate and disingenuously try and

744
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,079
defend themselves, but they're also trying to keep their story straight,

745
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:58,800
a crooked story straight. And then of course you have

746
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:03,119
potentially since you reference the media, and obviously I view

747
00:45:03,199 --> 00:45:06,239
the media as co conspirators in this. Whether that's legal

748
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,320
or not obviously is open for debate, and of course

749
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,880
those in the media are going to claim all manner

750
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of defenses.

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Speaker 3: By the way, it's interesting to think.

752
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Speaker 6: About why is it that, besides in wanting to secure

753
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fat paychecks, that the likes of the brand ends and

754
00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:23,239
the clappers and the comies of the world are out

755
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,320
out there in the media, and some of them are contributors.

756
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Is that in part a measure of defense. Potentially we'll

757
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have to see. But at the end of the day,

758
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we're there illegal leaks. I think it's very clear there

759
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,800
were illegal leaks. And what this further show is discrediting

760
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,800
the media is that regime media has effectively become not

761
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just a mouthpiece for our ruling regime and our national

762
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security and intelligence apparatus when it's not under control of

763
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conservatives or America First type leaders, but what it shows

764
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that they're an extension essentially. Something that Lea Smith has

765
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argued before is that this is what the media is

766
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like in the Middle East, and that's exactly what our

767
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,119
media has become like. It's part of the intelligence apparatus. Now,

768
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some will argue that this goes back many decades to

769
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talk about Project Mockingbird, etc. And you kind have a

770
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:15,480
fascinating conversation about that, but it's never been more transparent

771
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,320
how corrupted and the extent to which the media has

772
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,559
served as an extension of our ruling regime. And of course,

773
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as a federalist has reported on extensively the circularity with

774
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respect to what was presented to the FISA courts. You know,

775
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one party feeds the other party, and then there's a

776
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report in the press, and then the report on the

777
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press is cited as a justification for eviscerating the civil

778
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liberties of an American. So whether or not we're going

779
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to be able to make the case that the statutes

780
00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:49,960
are starting just now because they're still talking the way

781
00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:52,679
that they were before is yet to be seen. And

782
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then obviously they're not under oath when they're talking in

783
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,320
the public, but it may show something about the patterns

784
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that they have pursued. And so I think what they

785
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say publicly is certainly going to be fair game when

786
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you come to things like state of mind and intent

787
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and questions like that, and the patterns in their public proclamations.

788
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Speaker 3: Versus what went on privately.

789
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Speaker 6: And then another aspect of this, by the way, that's

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worth noting is with the DOJ looking into essentially anyone

791
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and everyone involved from the jump, are people going to

792
00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:30,119
commit crimes now? Are people going to obstruct or defy

793
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or lie under oath now?

794
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Speaker 3: Potentially? And so could you have new crimes.

795
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Speaker 6: That people engage in today as a consequence of their

796
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responses to being probed. That's something to bear in mind

797
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as well. But the one thing that's very disconcerting here

798
00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:49,039
is obviously there's been substantial reporting about documents being in

799
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burn bags, etc. There's been, as I noted in my article,

800
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a nine year head start effectively for those who were

801
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culpable and those who are complicit here to destroy potentially

802
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:08,719
evidence or otherwise seek to obstruct. Let's not forget, of

803
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,039
course we had the Molor Special Council. If you think

804
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:14,840
that that was part of the cover up. What bodies

805
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,719
did they find and what was buried by the Molar

806
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,199
Special Council? So all manner of very live questions. And

807
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the one thing that might give one hope is that

808
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,119
this appears to be being executed by the Trump DOJ

809
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:33,159
like a Rico case, where you're looking at all of

810
00:48:33,159 --> 00:48:35,199
the fish involved, and maybe you're going to get some

811
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people to flip and turn, and there may be some

812
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,679
people you can squeeze as you move your way up

813
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,280
to the ringleaders.

814
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 3: So I remained cautiously optimistic.

815
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Speaker 6: But what I will say again is that I don't

816
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,000
think that the DOJ would let it be known that

817
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:53,800
there was a grand jury probe coming unless they didn't

818
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,480
intend to try and go all the way to indict

819
00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:59,760
and try and prosecute, and that the shrewd legal minds there,

820
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,719
we'll try and bring the charges that they think have

821
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,079
the best chance of sticking before a venue that is

822
00:49:06,119 --> 00:49:08,719
going to give the fairest shot on behalf of the

823
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,599
American people, and to your point, to try and restore

824
00:49:11,639 --> 00:49:14,559
to the American people that which really can't be restored

825
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,719
to your point, because we didn't get four years of

826
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a first Trump term, we got only a fraction.

827
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Speaker 1: Of it, right right well, And I'm also encouraged by

828
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,679
the fact that I mean the media doing a full

829
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:30,079
court press on downplaying or ignoring the story, the way

830
00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:32,199
that Brennan and Clapper and like you said, members of

831
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,400
the intel community coming out and speaking on this publicly

832
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,639
to try to downplay it. And I mean, you know,

833
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,400
the nine year head start, Yes, but I believe it

834
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,559
was Cash Bettel and maybe some others in Trump's intel

835
00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:48,000
community who have implied that the rate on mar A

836
00:49:48,039 --> 00:49:50,320
Lago was an attempt to find a copy of this

837
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,480
Hipsie report and destroy it or whatever you know it's like.

838
00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:54,800
And the fact that they're finding these documents in the

839
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,320
burn bags and whatnot. They clearly did not get rid

840
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,639
of as much evidence as they sought too, and so

841
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:05,480
hopefully their head start wasn't enough to head off these indictments,

842
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,000
and hopefully people are going to go to prison bent

843
00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:09,480
that's the hope.

844
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 6: That's the only thing, the only deterrent at the end

845
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,320
of the day to this kind of criminality and corruption

846
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:21,039
is people have to face massive, massive, unrivaled punishment for

847
00:50:21,159 --> 00:50:26,159
engaging in massive and unrivaled attacks on our republic. And

848
00:50:26,199 --> 00:50:28,159
since you mentioned Cash Patel, I mean it is worth

849
00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:34,079
noting if anyone would be well positioned and uniquely qualified

850
00:50:34,519 --> 00:50:38,800
to engage in this investigation, it's the person, probably the

851
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:43,079
lead co author of and researcher behind the Devin noun

852
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:46,159
As Memo, which play in an essential role in starting

853
00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:49,400
to unravel this plot. And the fact that you had

854
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,920
our ruling regime go after Devin Noon as then leading

855
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,360
the House Intelligence Committee as well as going after Cash Patel,

856
00:50:56,679 --> 00:51:00,760
I think speaks volumes about the capability and the will

857
00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:04,199
that's being brought to bear here on the investigative side.

858
00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:08,400
So that's another heartening aspect of this. But the challenge,

859
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,440
of course, is you are up against the ruling regime

860
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:16,800
in exile, let's say, at the highest possible levels. And

861
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,079
as Chuck Schumerschet said, they can get you six ways

862
00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:21,840
from Sunday, and they have done that in scores. But

863
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,960
that said, there's never been a better chance, notwithstanding any

864
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,599
potential statutes of limitation issues, to get this done.

865
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 3: Donald Trump is a lamb duck.

866
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Speaker 6: There are unique opportunities here to pursue justice, and like

867
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:39,039
you said, people needed to go to jail because if

868
00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:41,280
they don't, we won't have a republic at the end

869
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:41,679
of the day.

870
00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, completely agree, completely agree. Thanks so much, Ben. I

871
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,199
appreciate you joining me today. Definitely go check out his

872
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,639
piece on the Federalist website why reigning justice on the

873
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,559
Russia hoaxers is so tricky and so important. Definitely go

874
00:51:55,639 --> 00:51:57,000
check it out. Thanks so much, Ben. I hope you'll

875
00:51:57,039 --> 00:51:57,880
join me again soon.

876
00:51:58,599 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 3: Thanks much for having me. It's a pleasure.

877
00:52:03,039 --> 00:52:05,679
Speaker 1: All right, it's time for a quick little I mean,

878
00:52:06,199 --> 00:52:10,239
come on, I did, I mean could because I couldn't

879
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,320
pass up the opportunity to comment on this insane and

880
00:52:13,679 --> 00:52:16,960
frankly super creepy clip from Jim Acosta.

881
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 4: This week.

882
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 1: Now, you recall that Jim Acosta worked at CNN for

883
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,079
a long time and is probably best known for being

884
00:52:23,159 --> 00:52:27,800
a self important political activist rather than a journalist. But

885
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,800
he left the network in January after CNN switched up

886
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,599
its lineup, which looked an awful lot like an attempt

887
00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:36,400
to demote Acosta to a less favorable time slot for

888
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,320
his show, and boy howdy, what a trajectory he has had.

889
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:40,679
Speaker 3: Now.

890
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:45,039
Speaker 1: Acosta hosts a blog slash show on Substack, and his

891
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:50,440
latest guest was not real. Jim Acosta tweeted on Monday

892
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:54,039
that you wouldn't want to miss that day's show because quote,

893
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,840
I'll be having a one of a kind interview with

894
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Joaquin Oliver. He died in the Parkland school shooting in

895
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:05,079
twenty eighteen, but his parents have created an AI version

896
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of their son to deliver a powerful message on gun violence.

897
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 3: End quote.

898
00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:12,199
Speaker 1: And of course, Acosta turned off replies to his post

899
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,960
so nobody could ratio him with comments about how bizarre

900
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,039
this is. But as you can see, there are an

901
00:53:17,039 --> 00:53:19,079
awful lot of quote tweets and not a whole lot

902
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:19,480
of likes.

903
00:53:19,519 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 2: Here's the clip, Joaquin, I would like to know what

904
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:25,679
your solution would be for gun violence.

905
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:27,519
Speaker 3: Great question.

906
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 7: I believe in a mix of stronger gun control laws,

907
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:31,639
mental health support.

908
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:32,519
Speaker 3: And community engagement.

909
00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 7: We need to create safe spaces for conversations and connections,

910
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,519
making sure everyone feels seen and heard. It's about building

911
00:53:39,519 --> 00:53:41,880
a culture of kindness and understanding. What do you think

912
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:42,360
about that?

913
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 2: I think that's a great idea, Joaquin.

914
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 1: This is all so bizarre and weird and dare I

915
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:54,480
say demonic. He's essentially conjuring up an AI fueled humanoid

916
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,159
that resembles a real person who was murdered by a

917
00:53:57,159 --> 00:54:01,159
school shooter just to make a political state about guns.

918
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,840
It's hard to imagine being Joaquin Oliver's parents, but imagine

919
00:54:05,199 --> 00:54:08,719
not only generating a humanoid version of your child, but

920
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,199
then also giving AI to a has been journalist to

921
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,280
air all over the Internet. And then imagine being Jim

922
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,599
Acosta and saying out loud to an AI. I think

923
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:24,280
that's a great idea, Joaquin, Dude, he's not real. It's

924
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,400
really disturbing in part because it elicits this uneasy, uncanny

925
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:33,079
Valley response, because it's not convincingly human for obvious reasons,

926
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,159
but also because of the way Oliver's parents and Jim

927
00:54:36,159 --> 00:54:39,039
Acosta create and then go along with this. You know,

928
00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:41,480
I've seen other people do this too with still images

929
00:54:41,519 --> 00:54:45,360
on Twitter, where they use AI to animate a still

930
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,800
photo of a since deceased loved one, and it evokes

931
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,960
this weird emotional response of creating a memory that's not

932
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,159
really there and not quite human. This Acosta thing evokes

933
00:54:57,159 --> 00:54:59,079
a similar feeling to when you're in a room full

934
00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:02,960
of people who are all using biologically incorrect pronouns to

935
00:55:03,039 --> 00:55:07,480
refer to a transidentifying person. It just doesn't feel right anyway,

936
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,920
super weird at best, unhealthy at worst, demonic. And you know,

937
00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:14,400
I never thought I'd be surprised that Jim Acosta could

938
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:18,199
get worse. But I mean, come on, I said, I

939
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,599
mean cub oud All right, that's going to do it

940
00:55:20,639 --> 00:55:22,719
for me today. Thanks again so much for tuning into

941
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,239
the Kylie Cast. I will be back here with more

942
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,039
very soon. Until then, just remember the truth hurts, but

943
00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:29,719
it won't kill you.