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Speaker 1: What is up, fellow Sikos. I am an actual sick

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person in Dan fa Adey coming at you with my

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certified fantabulous co host, mister Grant Hughes for our first

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sort of bounce around of the season where we're gonna

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dive deep into a handful of teams or players normally

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between like two and four. Just to give more in

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depth thoughts and impressions, I will say very quickly before

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I throw it to Grant, we do have our Mega

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Overreaction podcast that will go live on Saturday. So join

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and you will be able to submit your own overreaction

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that might appear at the end of the show that

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we will respond to. So just another reason to join

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that discorder. Then talk to all the cold people we

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have in there, especially active during the games that are

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being play. Mister Hughes, how the heck are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Unlike you and your your sickness riddled itself. Uh and

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very much like our guy, our our our dude, Lindy Waters,

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I'm thriving. Are you aware of what's happening with Lindy Waters? Dan?

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We've turned him from a bit into a superstar. H.

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Speaker 1: I one would like to pat myself on the back

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to the point of dislocating my shoulder for saying how

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many teams should trade for him before the Warriors actually did. Uh,

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he did dunk the Pelicans into the G League, I think,

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but he I guess do we want to start you

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said one of the teams you wanted to start with

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or talk about today was Golden State. So do you

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want to talk about Golden State?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, I figure watching every minute of every game,

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so I might as well. We might as well repurpose

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Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, well, check in the games around here.

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Speaker 2: Let's not that's those are the only games I watch.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like so I don't know. Obviously, the headlining is

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that Steph Curry spring his ankle twice in the span

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of like a quarter a couple of nights ago and

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went out and it was both non contact. I don't

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know if you have you seen the clips of it

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where it was just like, didn't step on anyone's foot,

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just like trying to move around like a normal person.

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Speaker 1: Role. I first thought was, I'm still not sure if

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he's worth that four year, forty four million dollar extension.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody from what ten plus years ago now is

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like see see kids is never gonna stay healthy. Uh

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so yeah, that was I mean, it's nothing you haven't

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seen just several times before, and it seemed like a

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fairly minimal absence is in store. Uh and man like,

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of course that obviously matters. But the story for this

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team of the early season is just and everybody's picked

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up on this, like I think it was obvious in

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the preseason, So no kudos for anyone that's just now

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coming around to the to these facts. But like, this

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team is super deep. Lindy Waters does mean you have

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thirteen guys that can actually play? Uh? He was unbelievable.

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I've got I want I just want the numbers. So

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the Warriors beat the Pelicans the night before we're recording this,

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and Water's just like, I want to find his game

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log because it's just I know his rebounds were what's up?

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Speaker 1: It was filthy the stat.

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Speaker 2: So just here are the numbers and then we could

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talk about like just how this is happening. This may

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just all be about Lindy Waters twenty one points on

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eight to thirteen, three to seven from three. That seems low.

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Eight rebounds as a career high four assist to steal

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no turnovers. He's a plus twenty six in thirty minutes

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in an eighteen point win for the Warriors. So like

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he's definitely symptomatic. He's a symptom of like what is

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just happening on Golden State, which is the ball is

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moving in ways that like it just really hasn't for

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several years, and that's partly by necessity because they're just

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aren't guys. You have to slow the offense down to

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four shots to It's honestly, I think a lot of

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it is the influence of Brandon Pajemski, who just his

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playing style is like so frenetic and quick and just

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time that it just like if you're on the floor

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moves better. Everybody's hustling on defense. It's not all him,

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but he is a league leading plus seventy six plus

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minus on the season despite shooting like eighteen percent from three,

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maybe nineteen percent and under forty percent from the field.

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Speaker 1: Because he went he was like he had three of

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them against the Pels, right, that was probably perform Yeah,

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a real problem, but he's so good at everything else

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intangible ability to just like lift the intensity of teammates.

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shoot under forty percent from the field, Like, it's just

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the payoff is there, the plus minus is not. It's

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean it's the depth is unbelievab. Buddy

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shot before. And it's just like they come off the same,

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the same level of confidence. He's so thirsty for shots.

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it's a fun time because the Warriors are winning in

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ways that they haven't really in a long time. The

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defense is super chaotic. They're forcing more turnovers than anyone

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in the league. They have the highest transition frequency in

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the league, and those two things are very much related

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because they just get the ball and take off. The

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Jonathan Kaminge stuff maybe we can talk about, but I

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mean pretty hard to be more optimistic just based on, like,

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you know, how bleak this season could have looked. Maybe

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the way that many thought where it was. They don't

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have a second star. Everything's too dependent on Curry. Draymond's

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getting old, Like you know, there were some real downsides here,

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fun and encouraging as like as you could have really

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realistically hoped for three and one through four games. Pretty

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solid start.

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Speaker 1: Is there. I mean, I think the overarching question here

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contenders or outright contenders? And I think when you look

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at their defense specifically, you mentioned a lot of the

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stuff they are. Also they and the Oklahoma City Thunder

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are currently the only teams that rank in the top

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five of opponent shooting percentage at both the rim and

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from the three point line. I mean, we know that

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three point defense is there's just so much noise in there,

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the deflection they're getting it's all over the place. I

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do think some of their success might be predicated on, well,

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how healthy is Theanthony Melton going to be moving forward

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because his back issues already flared up. I don't we're

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so early into the season. I think we could say

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ceiling right now, but like how good can this team

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be as currently constructed?

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Speaker 2: That is the question, because you wonder if the things

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that have led to so much success really just go

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down the line, like tend to be things that we

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quarters and the beginning of fourth quarters where they just

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have better players on the floor because their reserves are

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better than yours, like that may just go away. So

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that's one. Two, Like winning games by just disorganizing things

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and creating chaos, you would imagine is just harder against

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you know, playoff teams that one are playing their best

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players and two are just going to be better able

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to handle like you know, being sped up or being

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forced into like difficult shots where. And let's remember too,

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the Warriors did not exactly face a murder's row to

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start the season, like the Pelicans even are beat up

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and that's the best team they've played. So you get

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your you know, you lose to the Clippers, but you

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those like, okay, so what are we even judging it on?

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whether any of this is like postseason h like, is

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stuff should continue to work during the year and then

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at least the Warriors will have the opportunity to prove

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or disprove like how valuable this stuff is in the playoffs,

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because I don't that certainly wasn't a given, right. We

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were kind of on the fence, like when you're going

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Speaker 1: Where I had them, I'm sure it was out of it.

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Speaker 2: It was one of the things where it's like, who

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can you guarantees better like guarantee, and there were three

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or four teams, but then it's like, who can you

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guarantee they'll be better than? And it's like Utah and Portland,

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maybe the Clippers. Like that was kind of it.

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Speaker 1: I think in there, I think.

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think the playoff viability of all this stuff is really

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still a lingering question. But for now, just you know,

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stick with what's working and see where it gets you.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the Jonathan kamingo of

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at all, but I really wanted to like to boil

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it down to just two things, as in, what is

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something that you view as the most unsustainable about this team?

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kind of buying? And I will say my my biggest

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concern or not. I don't want to look at this

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and say it's the offense writ large, but I do question,

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and you mentioned this already that maybe this could be

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more of a playoff concern, the fact that they are

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seventh in point score per possession. But Kevon Looney is

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the player on this team that has seen the largest

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share of his shots go unassisted so far. Is wild

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all of these top offenses, with the exception of perhaps well,

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what Denver supposed to be is that they have two

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guys who can go generate shots on their own. And

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unassisted buckets, but you're gonna normally look and see, oh,

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these guys rank in the top twenty or top twenty

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five of unassisted points generated. And with the Warriors right now,

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Kaminga and Loony are the only two players that we've

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seen that have most of their Maine shots going unassisted.

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Which is the fact, like it's Steph is always kind

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of hovered on the line of that because of all

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the stuff he does off the ball, and so I

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think he's throw him in there when he's healthy, hot

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take Steph is really good. Like, so you can say that,

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but after that, I'm just curious, It's like, Okay, how

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does this offense sustain long term as my biggest concern.

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I do say on the buying side, I'm very interested

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to hear what you have to say. By the way,

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I think I'm buying too much of what I'm seeing

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on the defensive end, to the point of like I

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feel like I should feel as if it's more sustainable.

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now and just the personnel that they have, is it

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a matter of while you're not overextending anybody. And I

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said this to listener be Rich during the Pelicans game.

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I said, this is really spicy, but when Draymond Green

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is available, he's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I guess, I guess one thing where

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we should just stick to our priors. It is on

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the issue of the second like dynamic you know, doesn't

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need any help scoring threat because that's still that's still

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just the thing. And that does tie to kaminga. He

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all been that guy so far. And Wiggins has looked better,

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uh in that capacity. But I just don't like if

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you're relying on Andrew Wiggins to be like a singular

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offensive creator, like consistently and reliably often as a first

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option depending on the lineups. Like, that's just you can't

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that's not that's not a functional way to play NBA offense.

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you'd then sell some of the offensive effectiveness because it

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has been so predicated on ball movement and just mathing

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it and shooting a ton of threes and getting all

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these transition looks that are really built by the defense.

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And so I'm with you. I would buy I would

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buy the defense being really disruptive and deep and being

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able to speed games up and make them like messy

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in favorable ways. I do think I Viza Zubats showed

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that this team is vulnerable to real size though like

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that they hadn't really seen a ton of that outside

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of the Clippers game the Pelicans obviously, Like actually even

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eve MESI had some had some moments uh against the

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Warriors in that first of the back to backs with Normans.

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Speaker 1: He's pretty good overall. I dismissed Pelicans big on the.

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Speaker 2: R I was gonna say, is he making you you know,

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we don't need to go into the Pelicans, but like,

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is he making you reevaluate? Like the because it was

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just you couldn't talk about the Pelicans without talking about

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the need for a center and how this roster's unfinished.

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Is MESI changing that, and if so, to what degree

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for you?

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Speaker 1: As an aside one, I was panicking when Javonte Green

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went down against the Warriors, but it seemed like he

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was okay, so we we power well.

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Speaker 2: Herb Jones hurt his shoulder too, But Brandon Pajimski is

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diving on everybody that that was a risk.

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Speaker 1: I also looked. I'm surprised it didn't pop out. I was.

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I was actually a little bit shocked about that. I

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will say I don't really want to go into into it,

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but failing any major changes before we record our overreactions,

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I am so out on this New Orleans Pelicans offense overall. Okay,

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so Eves Meci's performance has not made me feel any

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better about them. I just look at their shot profile,

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the process that they're going through on offense, the talent,

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and I don't I mean, look, they're twenty second in

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points per possession as we record this. So the Pelicans

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are the team that I'm highest on relative to consensus

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every single offseason heading into the regular season and then

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normally they kind of float my boat until January and

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we're in November ish and I'm kind of just I'm

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not feeling great, and I maybe I feel better if

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Johnta Murray was there, but the mecI breakout or serviceability

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has not made me feel any differently about their situation.

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Speaker 2: Okay, makes me feel a little better, just but like

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he's not the solution to your problems, like that's just he's.

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Speaker 1: Just honestly, it would make me feel better if they

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just had anyone on this team that was comfortable taking

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a pull up three. And I know Trey Murphy's injured

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and Dejante Murray's injured, but like even the good brandon

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Ingram moments, because they come so independent of Zion or

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watching Zion set is screen for brandon Ingram to take

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a contested two pointer. I mean, just look at I

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hate to oversimplify this, but look at the math against

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the Warriors that would they make twenty two threes against

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the Pelicans and the Pelicans took twenty one or something like that.

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I mean, they're and stop with the They'll eventually shoot

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more threes. It's over. We've been there. We've held out

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hope for it. The personnel hasn't changed enough for it.

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It's weird to be down on a team that still

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just has so much talent and isn't by any means.

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I don't think that they suck. I'm just so over

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their offensive process. And the other thing here is they're

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playing slower. It feels like and when you don't have

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the half court offense to like kind of prop up

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these going up against set defenses, run goddamn it, just

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run more. Yeah, And so there I when I last checked,

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they were twenty seventh in offensive efficiency after opponent makes

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And so it's like, if you're giving defense as a chance

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to get set, not even having Zion Williamson is saving

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you at least the overall outlook right now. So this

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is about the Warriors, though, which I'm buying the I

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think specifically on defense, it does feel like the turnover generation,

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which as you've mentioned, is fueling a lot of their

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offense because of the speed at which they could play

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and at the time they spend in transition. I think

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I'm all the way buying that aspect of their start.

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I just look at this team and it's I hate

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that it comes back to this, what let's we need

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to get to Jonathan Kaminga. What have you made of

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his performance? The decision of Kurt not only bench him,

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but to bench him on a night when Steph Curry

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was out, I thought was fascinating. What is what have

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you made evolve this?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I will say first I totally understand the benching.

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If if and this seems to be the case the Worris,

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You're just gonna play like there's no nobody's like guaranteed minutes.

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It's just gonna really in theory go to who's earning them.

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And Kaminga was just like was just not a part

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of all the positive things I mentioned earlier about how

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the Warriors are playing across their first three three games,

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Like it was really jarring that you'd see all this

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incredible ball movement, all of this hustle, all this like

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intuitive you know, connected play, and then and then there

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was Kaminga right like and it would the ball would

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get to him, it would stop, he'd bobble it. I

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really do think we can talk about we could just

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kind of free range this, like I assume he's pressing.

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I assume the lack of an extension is like a

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factor because it just the things he was struggling with,

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which were of which there were many were Just like

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he looked like a rookie again for stretches, just like uncertain, hesitant,

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not not really understanding where he fit in this movement offense,

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and like, if you want to be alarmist about it,

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you can definitely make the case that like he just

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isn't in his worst moments, he is not like a

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system player. And normally that's a pejorative if you say

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someone's a system player, but I use the term to mean,

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like he can function within like a free flowing offense

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where there are quick reads and there's nothing predetermined and

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you don't stop things to get into your bag. You

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just the point five offense stuff. Like I really think

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there's a lot of a lot of evidence to suggest

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like he just isn't cut out for that, and he

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wants to be the guy that the possession stops. He

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has it at the top and he tries to beat

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his matchup like that that I feel like is the

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type of player he wants to be, and maybe is

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the type of player. Is the only type of player

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he can be. He's twenty two. He looked much better

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against New Orleans, especially in the second half, where he

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did seem to be more much more a part of

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like the collective, Like holy shit, these guys are playing

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hard and running and doing all this stuff. But for

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the most part he has been like operating independently of

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all the rest of that good stuff, and that's when

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he's looked worst. So the bench I totally get. I

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think way too much is being made that it was

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done over text message. I feel like that's it. Kurr

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texted him and explained, like we're in twive basically, I don't,

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I don't. I'm I think that become like getting into

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the news cycle was just like I understand it because

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obviously there is some kind of disconnect between Kaminga and

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the team and kurve uh. But like I don't feel

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like that's you know, much of anything. But like if

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he continues to not start, it wouldn't surprise me, and

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and like he hasn't deserved it, honestly, Like, based just

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just on his play to this point, that's bad news

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for him if he wants a big contract for the

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Warriors who need him to be better than he is.

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But I just I think if you have watched all

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four of the Warriors games that they've played so far,

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I think any rational person would conclude, like Kaminga has

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not played well enough to deserve a starting spot, like

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unless and until he fits in better and earns it back.

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Like maybe that's harsh, but that's just the reality of

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what we've seen so far.

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Speaker 1: I think that's totally fair. And I'm wondering how much.

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I mean, the contract situation has to factor into it

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in the sense of this is someone who passed on

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thirty million dollars a year or so, and so in

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your head you're probably putting a ton of pressure on yourself.

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But your mindset is also I have to perform so

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I get paid now. But the other aspect of it

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is too. I wonder how much of it is tied

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to Okay, we saw the preseason three point shooting and

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like volume man efficiency, both of that has been yanked

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all the way down. And also when you look at

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his drives per third, this is the thing that I

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found out. I do agree with you about the hole

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he's operating separately, but even when he has kind of

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made the quick decisions on drives, his drives per thirty

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six minutes are down overall, and it still feels like

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he's running into just these congested lanes, which is fascinating

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to me from the perspective of Golden State has been

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getting up a lot of threes. I think they're fifth

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in three point a tenth rate. I think they've also

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they've been hitting them to start the season as well.

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If they not so, they're yeah, they're so. They're fourth

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in three point at tenth rate and they're fifth in

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three point percentage, But defenses don't seem to care. And

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maybe it's you know, I guess that's the benefit of

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moving him to the bench, is do you take him

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out of the lineup in which he was most awkward

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and Okay, he might still see minutes in that lineup,

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but it won't be as many minutes. Is that kind

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of a lot, Like what have you kind of made

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a like even that part of his game where it's, oh,

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it feels like he's catching and going quickly, but it's

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these are drives to nowhere.

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Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's just it's hard to describe, Like I

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imagine if you really like parse the Synergy data or whatever,

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like with his touch time and like where he's getting

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it on the floor. You could maybe come to some

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sort of more like analytically sound explanation for what's happening.

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I would just say, it really feels like he's catching

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the ball and it's like there's a there's enough of

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a moment of hesitation, which I think is compounded by

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he's just overthinking because of the contract stuff. Like can

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you imagine like he's just out there thinking, I gotta

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I gotta prove it. You know, I got I. This

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is a prove it season officially, Now I gotta I

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gotta do something great. And like that on top of

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his like natural tendency to not just make a decision

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is like the offense just like shudders for a second,

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and then the defense you know knows he wants. That's

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the other thing is there's not like a lot of

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deceptive anything in his game. It's like he's going downhill.

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You know, there's not gonna be a lot of cleverness.

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It's gonna be fairly easy to see. And he's good

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in an athlete that he can just power through, over

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around whatever. But the delays and the like just bobbling

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the ball, it's all just slowing it down so like

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that affects the rhythm of the offense, and it affects

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his drives. It makes it so like he's maybe not

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driving hard right when the opening's there, it's that split

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second slows it down and then like ive Mesie comes

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out of nowhere and like swats him out of bounds,

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which is what happened in the first half last night

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as we're recording this. Yeah, it's early. The signs are discouraging,

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but I think the good news at least again to

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circle back for the regular season at least, is like

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the Worriors got options, like they if if this is

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how Kaminga is gonna play, they just don't need the.

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Speaker 1: Guy got Lendy Waters at home.

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Speaker 2: They got Why would you buy the Kamingo when you

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get the Lindy Waters for free or something?

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Speaker 1: Do you think he's going to have this is the

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last thing. Is he gonna have a regular role moving forward?

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Like because it gets into the I mean, the perimeter

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of it all gets tough when it's easier when two players,

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especially when Steph who plays so many minutes, is out,

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But when Stephan Melton they're both out.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing, Like, I mean, you don't want to say,

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like I'm sure, well, they're just always going to have

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two or three guys hurt, so you know, all you know,

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the thirteen man rotation turns into nine and that's totally fine.

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Like I do think it's realistic to expect, you know,

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Draymond will take nights off anytime Steph is hurt. They're

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gonna give him two extra games to get better, you

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would assume, and you know it, but it's gonna be

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really hard to get like guys like Waters and even

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obviously Moses Moody again, like what's the guy gotta do?

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Like it's the same thing, but like Gary Payton, the

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second has been ahead of both of those guys in

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the rotation, and he's been just like an insanely disruptive,

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perfect example of the guy that's like making the quick

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decisions in the flow of the offense type of thing.

475
00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:14,039
Like he just he's been good and he's deserved to play.

476
00:23:14,079 --> 00:23:16,240
And Kavon Looney has been good and deserves to play.

477
00:23:16,319 --> 00:23:19,039
So it's just like Waters is the last guy on

478
00:23:19,079 --> 00:23:20,920
the bench that you know other than your two ways

479
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,519
and stuff. But like I guess I would just say

480
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,680
there will be more games like that New Orleans game

481
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,400
where he comes in and is just like that guy's

482
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,440
a fucking NBA rotation player, Like there's just there's no

483
00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:35,000
question about it. He's a ball, like he can really

484
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,759
help any team and sometimes like he didn't win them

485
00:23:38,759 --> 00:23:41,400
the game, but he was integral in them erasing a

486
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,319
twenty point deficit and winning comfortably, like that was a

487
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,839
real thing that happened. And I don't think, well, I

488
00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:49,079
don't think like it's not the last we're gonna hear,

489
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,319
certainly on this podcast of one Lindy Waters.

490
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,559
Speaker 1: The other thing super quickly here, there's probably something too,

491
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,039
at least during the regular season. Who are the heavy

492
00:23:58,079 --> 00:24:00,839
minutes guys like who do you want? Not even who

493
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,240
do you trust? You don't even want Steph playing heavy

494
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,200
minutes at this age, And so it's if you got

495
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,119
to spread the love and it gets awkward, I guess

496
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,920
when you're ripping some from cominga to like, oh, can

497
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,519
we find a little bit more for Lindy Wash we're

498
00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:12,720
gonna pull from Kaminga. Maybe we gotta pull even more

499
00:24:12,759 --> 00:24:15,240
for Melton, who wasn't necessarily playing a crap ton of

500
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,680
minutes to begin with. But it's that just you have

501
00:24:17,759 --> 00:24:20,279
to manage some of these guys where it's like I

502
00:24:20,279 --> 00:24:23,680
would say Draymond Steph and Buddy Heal has played heavy

503
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,359
minutes before, but defensively do you want him on the court?

504
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,720
So maybe their regular season. I don't look at the

505
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,559
team and say they need a consolidation trade. Do I

506
00:24:31,599 --> 00:24:34,000
know whether they were contender is currently constructed? My answer

507
00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:37,440
is gonna default to know. But yeah, man, they are

508
00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:39,119
way feistier than I was expecting.

509
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's probably where to leave it. And Pajemski,

510
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,240
the minest thing, leads the team at twenty seven a game,

511
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,480
so it's just like nobody is I would be fascinating

512
00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:48,039
if they just.

513
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,559
Speaker 1: Aver Jenkins innovating. No one can average thirty right.

514
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the Grizzlies are doing that too. I mean,

515
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,559
it would be really interesting. Maybe this is the response

516
00:24:55,599 --> 00:24:57,359
to the whole like there's too many games, this season

517
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:58,799
is too long. It's like, all right, cool, we're just

518
00:24:58,839 --> 00:25:01,119
never gonna play anyone thirty minutes a night. That's just

519
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,640
depth is going to be the new market. Inefficiency seems unlikely,

520
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:05,799
but that's what it's looking like.

521
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 1: Do you want to talk about probably do a Knicks

522
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,480
check in I would like to hear you want to

523
00:25:09,519 --> 00:25:11,000
stick small market I think that's fair.

524
00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's stick small market teams that nobody cares about.

525
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,079
Speaker 1: What is your question or questions about this team? I

526
00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:18,319
can't imagine that you have any.

527
00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 2: Well, the first is, uh, how can you describe to

528
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,480
me your concern level for the whole Karl Anthony Town's

529
00:25:25,519 --> 00:25:28,680
experience and what facets of it do or do not

530
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,079
concern you so far? Because there's a few issues, some

531
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,960
some that he was supposed to fix that he hasn't,

532
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,400
and some that he was not supposed to fix that

533
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:36,160
he also hasn't.

534
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: So my concern level probably is cues toward alarmist right now,

535
00:25:40,759 --> 00:25:44,119
and that just might be me because of my Knicks

536
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,240
fandom just kind of shut bleeding out here. Let's start

537
00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:52,119
with the offense. I think when he's I think he

538
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,559
still has an effect, like the lanes are more open

539
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,279
for Jalen Brunton than they have been last season. What

540
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,759
I don't understand, and I do think it's been oversimplified

541
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,880
a little bit. He's taking, as we record this, two

542
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,839
to three pointers per game. Mister Grant Hughes, Can.

543
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: I gotta stop you? How is that happening, like how.

544
00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm about to get into it. Please One, he's being

545
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,799
too passive overall. So I've seen both sides where said

546
00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:17,400
this dude just needs to be more aggressive and take

547
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,799
more shots, and then you have the well, actually, how

548
00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:22,200
are the Knicks supposed to generate better looks or more

549
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,319
looks for him? They're both right, But anyone who's kind

550
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,240
of being condescending and saying you can't just say he

551
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:29,799
needs to take more shots. No, you absolutely fucking can.

552
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:32,839
This guy's taking eleven point six shots per thirty six minutes,

553
00:26:32,839 --> 00:26:35,200
which would be a career low. He absolutely just needs

554
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,759
to take more shots. What I do think there's room

555
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:42,240
for more nuance on and uh from dj ace Nba

556
00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:45,079
from Nick Film School, I thought had really astute tweet

557
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,839
on this is that the Knicks need to bump up

558
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,160
Kat's three point volume almost by force having him run

559
00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:54,839
off these like off ball screening actions. And so, you know,

560
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,279
just shout out to DJ for pointing that out the Knicks.

561
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,440
That's never really been their mo under Tom Thibodeau. Let

562
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,480
alone for a big guy, and maybe that's something they're

563
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,279
still getting used to the other on offense that I've

564
00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:10,599
taken issue with is he's yet to I'm mean, just

565
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,359
put it this way. He has taken as many fourth

566
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,039
quarter threes as Jericho Sims and Ariel huck Porty combined,

567
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,279
which is to say zero. And so when you're looking

568
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,759
down the stretch, specifically when you're looking at what the

569
00:27:21,839 --> 00:27:24,359
Knicks are doing, they kind of have him going down

570
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,799
low without setting a screen, and so it's, oh, is

571
00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:29,359
he gonna try and seal guys off when Jalen Brunson

572
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,920
is coming off of a screen. No. So I don't

573
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,160
understand the Knicks's offensive process, particularly down the stretch of

574
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,920
those games. What they've also done more this season. And

575
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,839
hat tip to John mcrey also Knicks Film School for

576
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:49,160
pointing this out. They've gotten mismatch hunting more and it hasn't.

577
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,880
I mean, their offense is third in points score for

578
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,200
processions and you look at it and say it's not

579
00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:55,839
the problem. It is. And I'm filtering out the Celtics game, grant,

580
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,480
so I don't want to hear yeah, one game. Still

581
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,200
excuse it because we're talking about too, but I took

582
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,400
out the Celtics game. They're twenty seventh in points score

583
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,559
per possession in the fourth quarter there. We've talked about

584
00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:08,240
this time and again with the Knicks way before TIBs,

585
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,440
but even under TIBs, there does feel like there's a

586
00:28:10,519 --> 00:28:12,839
lack of movement and innovation to it, and so that

587
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,440
I don't necessarily lay at Karl Anthony Towns's feet, but

588
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,359
there also is you need to be a little bit

589
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,359
more aggressive, especially from beyond the arc too, or at

590
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,880
least make quicker decisions with the ball. And I don't

591
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,039
need to see him. This is not the theory of

592
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:26,759
this team is not like we really need to want to.

593
00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:28,960
If you want Karl Anthony Towns down low, put him

594
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,039
in lineups exclusively without Jaylen Brunson, that are going to

595
00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:34,920
lack the creation necessary. If you put him in the

596
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,359
post through at the elbows, him rolling off of a screen, fine,

597
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,200
like that's part of the process, but I view that

598
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,359
as clogging the floor at this point because of what

599
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,480
you peddled this team as is as five out and

600
00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:47,759
it's really if you're playing Josh Hart, who's has like

601
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:49,599
eight injuries going on, it's really four and a half

602
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,799
out before we get into the defense. Do you have

603
00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:53,519
any thoughts about again, we're talking about a team that

604
00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:58,200
right now ranks third in offensive efficiency, but filtering out

605
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,559
that Celtics game because they would probably I don't know

606
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:02,000
if it'd be worse or better. I didn't even look

607
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,640
at it with the Celtics game because I don't care.

608
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,160
You're twenty seventh and fourth quarters, and you know the

609
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,799
games that you've lost, like losing to the Cavs specifically,

610
00:29:09,079 --> 00:29:11,839
your offensive process was dog shit. Yeah, the strect of

611
00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:12,359
that game.

612
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: I guess like it's way too early, Like I start,

613
00:29:16,519 --> 00:29:18,839
I'm starting to parse the lineup data and on off stuff,

614
00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:20,400
and then I catch myself and I was like, we're

615
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,039
talking about like a few one hundred minutes for most guys,

616
00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:25,599
Like it doesn't.

617
00:29:25,319 --> 00:29:28,279
Speaker 1: Trade, it's over.

618
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,039
Speaker 2: Well, I just was. I was saying, like anecdotally, which

619
00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:34,240
is where I feel like I have to default to

620
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:36,440
this early for the most part and forget some of

621
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,759
the numbers. It just seems like the issues that were

622
00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:46,000
foreseeable even with Kat on offense, again, we don't need

623
00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:47,599
to spend all this time on the offense because it's

624
00:29:47,599 --> 00:29:50,319
been it hasn't been a problem relatively speaking. But it

625
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:55,440
continues to feel like Brunson is just like so overly

626
00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:58,359
important to everything like it just he gives the ball

627
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,680
up and it's an immediate like go get it back,

628
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,200
because whoever he gives it to just feels I don't

629
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,640
know if it's if it's being if this is a

630
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:08,559
like a coaching point of emphasis for them, like just

631
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,559
let's get it back in his hands and like restart

632
00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:13,319
the clock because he's alive, dribble again, or if it's

633
00:30:13,319 --> 00:30:16,079
a hesitation on the part of you know, the Anonobe's

634
00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:19,839
and Bridges and whoever else. But it does just continue

635
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:24,319
to feel like the I mean, I can't sit here

636
00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:25,880
and make the case that like if they just held

637
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,200
onto Julius Randall, we wouldn't be running into this because

638
00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:31,319
I just like that's crazy. But the well, I guess

639
00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:33,200
I throw it to you. Does it feel as if

640
00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:37,359
even with Towns, everything still just starts and stops with Brunson,

641
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:40,319
And like, if anything, the team's lack of depth now

642
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:43,720
after the trades and losses and free agency makes that

643
00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:46,720
even like that's a big preseason prior for us, right,

644
00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:49,599
like Brunson's too important, Like has anything that you've seen

645
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,680
changed that like that stance?

646
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: No, I just I mean, look, McHale, Bridges make me

647
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,200
feel a little better. I will say that I was.

648
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,759
I was pretty nervous about him heading into the season.

649
00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:04,359
And it's not like he's, you know, shooting the lights out,

650
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,240
but the fact that he's hovering around thirty six percent

651
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,480
from threes and hasn't really had he's had one, Like

652
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,720
I would say, really good performance for them, But when

653
00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:16,480
it comes to just generating offense, like who is there's

654
00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:18,680
always going to need unless you're the Warriors, apparently like

655
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,240
there's going to need to be the one player or

656
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:24,440
the two players who are generating your offense. I mean,

657
00:31:24,519 --> 00:31:27,720
even OKC Thunder, They've been great to start the season,

658
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,640
their offense has been when efficiency wise, lackluster because there's

659
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,640
still you know, we gotta wait and see more of

660
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,160
J dub and chet Holmgren, but like they still don't

661
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,880
have that. It's a similar situation to the Knicks, where

662
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,599
maybe you feel better about it for them because one

663
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,720
their defense and two they have two of these up

664
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,480
and coming guys, But you look at it and say, okay,

665
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,119
well who is just that you know that's the second

666
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,160
guy who can generate offense not just for himself but

667
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,160
everybody else. The Knicks don't have that even if you

668
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,839
think and look, they're third in offense and Karl at

669
00:31:57,839 --> 00:31:59,559
the Towns will figure it out. That was gonna be

670
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:02,039
kind of a the story. I'm probably gonna be wrong

671
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:05,000
about him attempting a career high of three pointers, but

672
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,759
I do think the volume will come up. I think

673
00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:10,440
they'll figure it out. This trade happened basically during training camp,

674
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,240
so there's a level of this thing needs time. But

675
00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:16,519
I do believe you are seeing some of the limitations

676
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:20,000
of the Knicks offense down the stretch specifically, and maybe

677
00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:22,880
it's a little different if Brunson's not battling his own injury.

678
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,319
But again, I don't want to be labor this point because,

679
00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:28,799
as you mentioned, we talked about in preseason, you emptied

680
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:32,319
the asset clip basically and left yourself more dependent than

681
00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:35,240
ever on this one player. And it's a testament to

682
00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:38,119
Jalen Brunson. But it's also just that one player could

683
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,319
name the one player. I don't care who Luka Donci,

684
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,960
I don't care who it is Shay himself. That's a

685
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:46,160
risky proposition and what I've yet to see from the

686
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,920
Knicks on offense, and maybe that's now we can get

687
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,960
in the defense. I don't understand what the contingencies are

688
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,279
beyond Jalen Brunson being just the like the only central

689
00:32:56,319 --> 00:32:59,000
nervous system to it, and maybe Timm's will change some

690
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:01,880
of his lineup pattern. I guess you could talk about like, well,

691
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,880
they're like kind of banged up, but you know, having

692
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,880
a precious that you are Mitchell Robinson back, like that's

693
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:10,599
that'll help your defense, which has been again even like

694
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,680
filtering out the Celtics game, by the way, the Knicks

695
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,559
defense has actually been pretty good official like they they

696
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:17,960
had moments against the Calves, they definitely had moments against

697
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,640
the Pacers. But do you have anything to add on

698
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,799
the offense. I think that the Knicks will find more

699
00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:27,279
of an equilibrium on offense, but I don't think that

700
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:30,839
the concerns that we have and that I would argue

701
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,799
fans understand it. They might be more okay with it.

702
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:36,240
If you're really just locked into the Knicks more than

703
00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:38,319
we are, you might be more okay with it than us.

704
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,119
But I think it's been in the backs of at

705
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,279
least everyone's minds, if not the forefront of them, And

706
00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:46,000
I don't know. I think that's why if they're gonna

707
00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:48,359
ever make a trade, and I'm not saying it needs

708
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:50,799
to be a big one. It probably you know, I've

709
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:52,400
talked about like it'd be nice to have some extra

710
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:53,839
wing depth, or do you want to get a more

711
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,720
bankable center, like outside of Carl Anthony but outside of

712
00:33:56,759 --> 00:33:59,720
Mitchell Robinson the guy behind Karl Anthony Towns or beside him.

713
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,039
It might just need to know you need some type

714
00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:04,240
of like who is this season? Are we bringing back

715
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:07,079
Alec Burks like the Miami Heat type deal.

716
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted I did want to just pivot to

717
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,679
the defense because I guess I was gonna ask you, like,

718
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:18,559
is there anybody that you know outside of Deuce McBride

719
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,360
that has come off the bench that has given you

720
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,199
any any sense of like, Okay, there's a little more

721
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,400
here than I thought. I thought, Like hook Porty even

722
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,719
has had moments and that's not someone who was on

723
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,119
my radar at all prior to the season. But if

724
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,159
if you're pointing to him as someone that's like made

725
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:35,920
a big difference, then man, all the depth concerns really

726
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,280
are just very well founded and playing out.

727
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,159
Speaker 1: I'm kind of looking at Pocomb, Dottie. We've seen a

728
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:42,079
little bit of it was like, you know, he's a

729
00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:43,719
little bit shift here, and then I thought, like against

730
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,800
the NBA, that wi but it's no. I don't think

731
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,679
you look at this bench outside of and even look

732
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,639
at the injured guys. I don't think you look at

733
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,800
Mitchell Robinson or pressure to Chew if they're gonna coming

734
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,760
off the bench and they make you feel a crap

735
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,599
time better about this team. However, if you are concerned

736
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:00,639
about the defense, which I think they're probably like close

737
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,880
to last in the league when you include the Celtics game,

738
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:07,079
but when you're just the Calves and Pacers, they're they're sixth.

739
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,719
So that's how much. But that's how much one game

740
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,840
can swing stats right now, But it's also how much

741
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,920
they can swing our impressions. Defensively, though, what I what

742
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,920
I've been concerned about is I don't think that they're

743
00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:23,880
using Karl Anthony Towns like in his by the way,

744
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,480
I do think a lot of it is on him,

745
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,840
and the Knicks have forced like they've had stretches where

746
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,159
it seems like they're playing hyper aggressive on defense. But

747
00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:34,280
if you're gonna put him, we've seen him. I feel

748
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,360
like in I know there's only technically three levels to

749
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,199
a basketball court, but it feels like we've seen him

750
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,599
in seventeen different levels of drop coverage now to where

751
00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:43,960
he's just like, and I don't know if that's by

752
00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:49,480
design or he's just not yeah so, but he has

753
00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:52,719
not buying log there's again, there's been possessions, but he

754
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,519
is buying Marg's not farewell there. And I don't know

755
00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:57,639
if that's more about his surroundings. You could say it's

756
00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:01,039
an effort thing, but if you're going to have him

757
00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:05,400
consistently like in this, you're gonna consistently have him in

758
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,360
these inconsistent drops to where like, okay, well, how far

759
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,599
is he dropping? And is that by designers? And that's

760
00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:12,199
what I don't know yet, And I don't know that

761
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,480
I've seen Tim's talk about this. He wasn't in very

762
00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:16,440
much of a talking mood after the Cavs game when

763
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,159
you look at the postgame comments, and that's where I

764
00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:23,320
would be concerned. Now, Grant, here's a fascinating stat filter

765
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,679
out the Celtics game. Again, I'm throwing this out. Can

766
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,119
you guess what opponents are shooting at the rim against

767
00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:33,840
Karl Anthony Towns By opponents. I mean the calves and pacers. Hmmm,

768
00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:40,039
I'm like, okay, over under sixty five percent.

769
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I was not gonna go that high. I

770
00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:44,960
guess I better go over based on the tone of

771
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:45,920
what you're saying.

772
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:49,079
Speaker 1: It's over. They are twelve of twelve one hundred percent.

773
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,440
And I went back and watched all of them. There's

774
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:54,320
been there were like a couple of like really good

775
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,239
contests that just it's okay, you tip.

776
00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:57,679
Speaker 2: Your cap and you should be ten of twelve.

777
00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: He is just not most of the time, feels like

778
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,280
not in the right position. And I think that's troubling.

779
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,360
Where you've seen him in some like mid to deep

780
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,000
drops where it's well, okay, like at least be but

781
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:11,159
teams are targeting him also on the defensive end, like

782
00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:16,079
they've gone after him, And I just wonder, what is

783
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:18,119
is the solution to hit the play better button for

784
00:37:18,199 --> 00:37:20,719
Karl Anthony Towns or is it we need to decommit

785
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,480
from any type of drops. Again, I do think the

786
00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:25,480
Knicks have varied up some of the stuff that they've done,

787
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,119
But do you need to just say I don't have

788
00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:32,639
this belief that Karl Anthony Towns because as of right now,

789
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:34,920
the personnel that you have, unless you're gonna play him

790
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,000
against Mitchell Robinson, this ain't changing like you've seen him

791
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:40,639
in your quote unquote best lineup. So what more do

792
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,880
is it? Maybe like if you think deuced me Bride

793
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,320
is going to be a better fit defensively than Jalen Brunson, Okay, yeah, sure,

794
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:49,800
good luck generating offense with that lineup. So and you

795
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,639
would never bench Jalen Brunson obviously. I'm just saying you're

796
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:56,360
not going to get better defensive talent around him unless

797
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,639
you start him alongside Mitchell Robinson and maybe bring Josh

798
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:03,079
hardoff bench. Which at this point, again we need more

799
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:06,280
evidence because they've been okay against the Calves and Pacers

800
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,000
up for extended stretches. The Calves had some of their moments,

801
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,000
and man Evan Mobley looks good this year. Boy he

802
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,239
had handled a lot better. But That's where I'm att

803
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,599
with the defense is we need more evidence, And I

804
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:19,920
would honestly say I'm more concerned with Karl Anthony Townsen's

805
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,320
performance on offense thus far, and I think part of

806
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,840
that with defense is okay, well, it's been we kind

807
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,159
of knew that he wasn't gonna solve things on defense.

808
00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:30,480
And the other thing is I'm struggling on defense more

809
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,960
in a good way to understand how much of that

810
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,519
is on the team versus Kat, Whereas I think you

811
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:38,119
look at the offensive end and it's very clearly both.

812
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:41,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we talked about I think we talked

813
00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:44,079
about this angle a little bit when we went, you know,

814
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:48,159
through the pluses and minuses of that trade. The Knicks

815
00:38:48,199 --> 00:38:53,280
really did create like a blinking green light, like go

816
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,280
at this when they essentially paired Kat and Brunson as

817
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,960
a pick and roll defensive duo, right, Like, that's just

818
00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:02,440
that's you know, because you're certainly mean it's almost by

819
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,639
default too, because you're not gonna run anything at Antonobe

820
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,880
or bridges, and so when you just have the if

821
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,599
you get a one to five pick and roll against

822
00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:10,880
the Knicks the way it's being defended right now and

823
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,599
with the personnel they can put out there, it's like

824
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,760
that's a pretty high value approach, you know, And maybe,

825
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,920
like what do you think about the Knicks? Just like,

826
00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:21,840
let's look at what Denver did to make it so

827
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,840
Nikole Jokic is a functional defensive center on a contender,

828
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,360
Like is it just you got to be up at

829
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,519
the level and then you can sort of lean on

830
00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:31,800
og and bridges on the back line to scramble around

831
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,639
and help or like Towns, I worry about bringing up

832
00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:36,519
to the level because of his He'll reach, you know,

833
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:38,519
and he'll get He'll get into foul trouble out there.

834
00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:41,199
That's been a huge bugaboo for him forever. So like

835
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,960
you can't drop him, you bring up to the level

836
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,760
frequently you might just play him off the floor because

837
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,280
he's gonna get three fouls in the first quarter, Like

838
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,400
it's it's gonna be really interesting to see, like who

839
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,719
And then there's the whole like Thibodeau wants to play

840
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,719
a certain way defensively, like he's the inventor of icing

841
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,480
pick and rolls. Like that's just you know, he's much

842
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:01,880
more flexi bull in the intervening years. But you know

843
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,599
what I mean, Like I think you really just got

844
00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:05,239
to look around the league at like how do other

845
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,760
teams make this work with with like you know, because

846
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,559
the the Brook Lopez plan is not gonna happen, Like

847
00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:14,760
you can't just have Cat drop and have his length

848
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,639
bother shooter like that isn't gonna work.

849
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,039
Speaker 1: I've thought a lot about the way Denver. I don't

850
00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:20,679
know why I'm saying a lot. We're a few games

851
00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:22,559
into the season, but I've thought about the Joki point,

852
00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:25,480
about how they use him, and even this season, I

853
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,360
think there's still eleven the defensive efficiency and Michael Porter Junior,

854
00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:31,440
whose defense I praise coming out of the championship run

855
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,360
during moments last year, has been in atrocity by a

856
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,440
march to that end of the floor. And because my

857
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:39,519
point was you're talking about having you know, if you're Denver,

858
00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:41,639
the setup is, well, we have reliable guys who can

859
00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:43,119
be the low men, but also like that we're not

860
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:45,880
gonna sacrifice anything at the perimeter. Right now, you're kind

861
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,800
of in that situation. But I guess they still you know,

862
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,360
you look at Peyton Watson, Christian Brown, Aaron Gordon. There's

863
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,039
still enough. Now you'll get the knicks. There's Michael Bridges,

864
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:56,360
there's Ojananobe. If you use those guys in that type

865
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,400
of a role, then it's okay, Well what's happening up

866
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,280
top with ten? Because you still have Jalen Brunson to

867
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,039
target there and Jalen Brunson is not as good as

868
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:07,199
a defender as a the best version or the medium

869
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,280
version of Jamal Murray on that end of the floor.

870
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,639
There's a sage differential there. Yeah, so I wonder, And

871
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:15,719
then you mentioned Nicole Joki is better at staying out

872
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,119
of foul trouble. He's also at this point in his

873
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:18,840
career better at playing kind of like both sides of

874
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,719
the pick and roll. I think. So, I don't know

875
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,000
what the answer is, but I do, and I don't

876
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:27,679
know who to blame even is this on Towns or

877
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,320
is it Tims has yet to do enough adjusting to

878
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,800
the personnel that's there, or is he kind of looking

879
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,000
at it from the perspective of, well, I'm eventually just

880
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,679
going to start mith L Robinson next to him. But

881
00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:38,679
then also, aren't you still going to have to change

882
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:40,960
the way you're kind of defending if you're playing with

883
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:41,840
those two centers.

884
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, it's you know, I think probably the

885
00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:47,239
most charitable thing we could do is say, it's been

886
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,559
a handful of games and this is a massive, like

887
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,800
roster altering trade that happened with basically no time for

888
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,159
the team to adjust to it, and we should just

889
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,360
assume whatever the extremes are will just kind of get

890
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:00,920
more towards them as we go.

891
00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: Like wrap it up with this concern level for the

892
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,400
Knicks on a scale of three games into their season,

893
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,320
on a scale of one to ten, I'll probably yet

894
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:14,239
like a three point seven to like four point five, yeah.

895
00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 2: I think, And it might be higher if you went

896
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,960
into the season thinking they were like anywhere close to

897
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,800
the Celtics. Okay, see tier of like top top threat contenders,

898
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:27,159
like I think, because it's irrational to to get much

899
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:29,960
higher than you've said, uh this early. But it's like

900
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:32,039
I don't I'm not seeing a lot that suggests like

901
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:34,360
even when this gets going perfectly, it's going to get

902
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,679
the Knicks up to that level, which is fine, like

903
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,719
not everybody can be that, but yeah, I'd be right

904
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:39,639
right around there with you.

905
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: We want one more team, Okay, you want to hit

906
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,480
those quick? Would you like to stick small market?

907
00:42:44,639 --> 00:42:48,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's stick really small market. And uh, there's this

908
00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:51,519
team called the Lakers. I don't know if you are familiar.

909
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't used to that team? Right?

910
00:42:57,519 --> 00:42:58,679
Speaker 2: Yes? Team?

911
00:42:58,679 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: Okay?

912
00:42:59,159 --> 00:43:03,039
Speaker 2: Uh huh. They so to just really two things here,

913
00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:07,960
I guess I don't know how much more like championship

914
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,320
equity to kind of piggyback off the the last little

915
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,000
knicks point the Lakers have, But it does through the

916
00:43:15,039 --> 00:43:19,400
early going feel to me like they're quite a bit

917
00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:23,119
better than some of the teams that we thought maybe

918
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:26,840
they'd be kind of knocking around against for the seven, eight, nine,

919
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,320
ten spots in the West. And that's kind of remarkable

920
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,039
because like this roster is not different unless you count

921
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:37,800
and give Vincent being healthy as like a meaningful change

922
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:41,800
oratorium prints being gone being a meaningful change. Like really

923
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:47,440
to me is it's it's so risky to say, like, oh,

924
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,519
JJ Reddick scot them like working perfectly and stuff. It's

925
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:51,920
you know, it's been a few games.

926
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,119
Speaker 1: But it is pretty clear exact. But JJ Reddick was

927
00:43:55,159 --> 00:43:56,760
watching film at the car wash.

928
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah I heard, I did hear about that?

929
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: A lot of sticks go.

930
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:03,679
Speaker 2: I bet I've watched NBA film like Getting My Little

931
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,239
Change before. I'm not an NBA coach. I'm not impressed.

932
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,360
So I think he's at least got the big stuff handled.

933
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,320
And a lot of it was sort of as advertised,

934
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,039
where Anthony Davis is going to touch the ball early

935
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:20,599
and often it's gonna be you know, we'll give it

936
00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:22,639
to him and it'll move and he'll get it back,

937
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:25,679
Like just more touches. Is the highest usage Ratey's had

938
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,440
since like sixteen seventeen when he was just really the

939
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:34,440
guy in with the Pelicans. His scoring averages up over thirty.

940
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,840
The shot profiles not like this is the other thing.

941
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,639
You look at the Lakers year over year numbers and

942
00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:42,159
really like they're just making more shots. Like their shot

943
00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:46,000
profiles not super different. It's just the offense looks smoother.

944
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:48,920
Anthony Davis is making more shots, He's taking more shots,

945
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,280
he's more involved. Austin Reeves looks basically like the handcuffs

946
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,000
came off. And I do think that's like what I

947
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,239
do feel confident in is that JJ Reddick so far

948
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,199
looks like he he's just got a better handle on

949
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,480
like what the priorities need to be for an NBA

950
00:45:03,519 --> 00:45:06,079
team than Darvin Ham did. And that might just be like,

951
00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:08,639
that's an unfair comparison because Ham might just go down

952
00:45:08,679 --> 00:45:10,280
as like that guy was just not a good NBA

953
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,880
coach or not a good head coach, and Reddick is

954
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,679
just kind of average. But the contrast is such that

955
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,199
it makes Reddick seem like, oh my god, he's like

956
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,400
he's got it wired, he's figured it out, and like

957
00:45:21,679 --> 00:45:26,119
he's definitely putting forth that detail oriented, like hyper intense

958
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,599
competitive demeanor so far, and that sort of helps that

959
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:33,000
like adds to the the not the legend, but something

960
00:45:33,079 --> 00:45:35,599
like that. But Yeah, it just seems to me like

961
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:37,639
the Lakers as long as Davis is going to be

962
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,519
like this version of himself kind of a fully actualized

963
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,639
two way superstar and is being like not pushed to

964
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:49,079
be that, but certainly like enabled by the scheme and

965
00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:51,639
the coach and all that other stuff, then I think

966
00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:54,360
you've got to view the Lakers as you know, right there,

967
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:57,079
even though they just lost this most recent game like

968
00:45:57,119 --> 00:45:58,840
with the Suns, where it's like, I don't know if

969
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,559
they're top four, but they're not. They're also not like

970
00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:02,880
a nine to ten seed.

971
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: I don't think.

972
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: I think they look much more dangerous. And most of

973
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,360
that's Davis and some of it's some of it really

974
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,000
is a guy like Reeves just kind of looking more

975
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:13,119
like we thought he would a couple of years ago.

976
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. In the macro. We'll see how this

977
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,639
take ages. I think they're way better than we expected,

978
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:21,519
and it's kind of been more than just the low

979
00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:24,000
hanging fruit though, right because they're by the way, they're

980
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,840
still not taking enough threes. I don't know if they

981
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,719
have the personnel to actually take more threes, but they're

982
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,519
they're actually offensive rebounding. That's a big deal. Yeah, they

983
00:46:33,559 --> 00:46:36,360
and like cutting down on the turnovers. That's also been

984
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:38,960
a big deal for them offensively. They I think they've

985
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,280
dropped their turnover percentage by a full point compared to

986
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,639
last season. Again, we have to see if this holds.

987
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:47,119
What's fascinating to me the most, aside from just the

988
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:51,760
Austin Reeves dynamic is Anthony Davis. It's not even he's

989
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,000
shot well on long twos, but his mid range percentage,

990
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,679
the frequency right where it's basically been the percentage is

991
00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:00,960
still sub forty percent overall because he's been struggling from

992
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,079
the short mid range area. I just look at him

993
00:47:03,079 --> 00:47:05,039
and I feel this might have been kind of a

994
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:07,880
dull thing to do. So maybe it wasn't the low

995
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,840
hanging fruit, but it wasn't just they're not only using him. Yeah,

996
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,159
the post up frequency, I believe that is up as well.

997
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:15,760
Elbows however you want, like the paint touches. Those are

998
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,599
gonna be up. But also getting him to drive. He's

999
00:47:18,639 --> 00:47:20,840
gone from like three point eight drives per thirty six

1000
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,119
to over six drives per thirty six. And what that

1001
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,360
does is not only put additional rim pressure on defense.

1002
00:47:26,679 --> 00:47:29,039
Now he's just drawing. He's always been pretty good at drawing,

1003
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:31,880
shooting fuls. He's currently in the one hundredth percentile.

1004
00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:34,599
Speaker 2: It's a drawing that's a huge like you start looking

1005
00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:36,519
for like, where are all these extra points coming from

1006
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:39,400
this year? It's all free throws. Like he's just generating more,

1007
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,559
way more free throws. It's a huge difference. You're right

1008
00:47:41,559 --> 00:47:42,000
about that.

1009
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:45,599
Speaker 1: So I think that's super encouraging because I don't know

1010
00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:49,320
that he's doing anything that you offensively. We know what

1011
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,079
he is defensively, but he's not doing anything where it's, oh,

1012
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:54,800
this is a mega outlier on offense. If you had

1013
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,679
to pick one, it would probably be, oh, is he

1014
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,920
going to continue to average almost thirteen free throw attempt prett? No,

1015
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:03,480
probably not. But if you get Anthony Davis going downhill,

1016
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,519
I would think, and I guess you could. Could you

1017
00:48:06,559 --> 00:48:10,679
manifest any concern about Lebron sometimes feeling a little bit

1018
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,039
like disengaged. I can't get there. He's still be like,

1019
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:17,360
he's still shooting thirty nine plus percent on three. I

1020
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,519
would say, if I had to pick a concern, it's

1021
00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:23,199
not even Delo shooting. It's just I don't We've seen

1022
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,800
some lineups work outside of their core lineup, but I

1023
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:30,440
don't know which secondary lineups that I trust the most.

1024
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,519
And I understand JJ Redick seems like he's still kind

1025
00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:34,800
of going through the motions with it. But when you

1026
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,320
look at what there's been, I guess Gabe Vincent is

1027
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,119
he's kind of had like Colin Sexton vibes on defense

1028
00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:42,159
immediately where it's like, oh, he's really getting into the ball,

1029
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:44,000
but like sometimes guys are going right around him in

1030
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:48,760
any way, I don't like that is someone that I

1031
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,440
still have questions for. I think it's been great that

1032
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,000
they've been in. I'm Dalton connect. I don't think he's

1033
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,880
played more minutes than I expected. I didn't necessarily I

1034
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,480
thought Max Christy would be playing more. Is that more

1035
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,599
of a he has started hitting his threes thing? Yet

1036
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,320
I kind of find myself wondering, Oh, were they too

1037
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,800
dependent on Jackson Hayes. But it's where else are they

1038
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:11,159
actually supposed to go at this point. It's again, the

1039
00:49:11,199 --> 00:49:13,760
core lineup just seems fine. Maybe Reeves and Ruey Hotchimore

1040
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,360
at cool off a little bit, but we've been waiting

1041
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,719
for Ruey hatch More to cool off for like two

1042
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,239
seasons now ever since he arrived from the Lakers. So

1043
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,440
I trust this team way more than I did. But

1044
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,639
I'm still just wondering, like, what is gonna be sort

1045
00:49:26,679 --> 00:49:30,320
of their go to lineups outside of their core lineup,

1046
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,440
because there are some secondary lineups right now. The one

1047
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,239
where I think if you yank Anthony Davis and throw

1048
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,239
Jackson Hayes in like the starters have been, have killed

1049
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,000
opponents thus far, if I'm not mistaken, all right, is

1050
00:49:41,039 --> 00:49:44,039
that something that's kind of going to hold? What are

1051
00:49:44,119 --> 00:49:46,440
Like we've seen bad lineups where oh, you put Gabe

1052
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,639
Vincent in for D'Angelo Russell and you somehow got way

1053
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:52,519
worse on defense. What is going on over there? I'm

1054
00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:55,559
very interested to just see what JJ Reddick continue to

1055
00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:57,760
test out, and I'm just wondering. I don't know that

1056
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,840
we have a timetable yet for his return. Does J

1057
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,480
Vanderbilt's availability impact this at all?

1058
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,559
Speaker 2: I just don't. Don't you think that sort of the

1059
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:11,559
combination of the real the principal guys looking better, that

1060
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:15,039
lineup that that open, that starting lineup looking like pretty

1061
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:20,159
tightly wired, and the team's success and what seems like

1062
00:50:20,199 --> 00:50:23,159
a pretty ambitious kind of outlook. Doesn't that just mean

1063
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,280
a trade is more likely than maybe it would have,

1064
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,880
like because you know there was there's there's the constant

1065
00:50:29,199 --> 00:50:31,599
to the Lakers, is the right guy available to justify

1066
00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:33,159
giving up what is it three? Like two in a

1067
00:50:33,199 --> 00:50:35,000
swap they can trade? I can never remember if it's

1068
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:35,960
three outright.

1069
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:38,559
Speaker 1: So they can give out two outright first round picks?

1070
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:40,199
Plus I think three swaps okay?

1071
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 2: Is now the time? And is the guy available to

1072
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,119
make that trade? Like that's been a question for like

1073
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,800
two and one and a half seasons basically, And if

1074
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,039
this is how it's gonna look, then I would posit

1075
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:53,960
that like it's just more likely that they pull the

1076
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,840
trigger on a deal like that because they're a lot

1077
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,199
closer to being a contender than we thought or than

1078
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,239
most and maybe they thought, I don't know right like

1079
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,320
cause it doesn't make a trade less likely if you're

1080
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:05,760
this good, I would think if you have all these

1081
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,079
secondary lineup questions.

1082
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:10,039
Speaker 1: No, I think what it might do is make the

1083
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,400
in between more likely to where it's that blockbuster trade.

1084
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,320
Always felt like if it's the right player or someone

1085
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,880
they deemed the right player either for now or they think, okay,

1086
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,840
we'll get incrementally better now. But if it's let's just

1087
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,840
say it's Trey Young, it's but he's going to be

1088
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,320
young enough to where he can anchor us with a

1089
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,119
d past Lebron, I view it as okay, are they

1090
00:51:28,119 --> 00:51:30,400
more like just as an example, because they're reportedly interested

1091
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,679
in Walker Kessler, would they give up one first round

1092
00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:34,559
pick to get someone like Walker Kesler in here now?

1093
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:36,760
Because it's, oh, we think if we improve on the

1094
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,039
margins or if we get someone who's really good in

1095
00:51:39,079 --> 00:51:42,440
this one complimentary area, that that will put us over

1096
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,320
the top. I thought that scenario would have been off

1097
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,960
the table just because leading into the season, whereas well,

1098
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,239
why give up the one first round pick? If you

1099
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,599
just give them all up and make the swing, I

1100
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:54,800
think it makes it more likely that they might seek

1101
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,320
those kind of medium grade about it.

1102
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 2: So upgrade it's less likely Trey Young, Zach Lavine more

1103
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,800
likely Kuzma Kessler like that that kind of that level

1104
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:04,360
of actuity.

1105
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe, or even just like a Jeremy Grant. And

1106
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:09,639
it's even so when you look at this team, though, Grant,

1107
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,360
this might be a good thing to wrap up, wrap up,

1108
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,519
it's not, well, what are you concerned about the most scessarily?

1109
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:16,280
But what is even their biggest need or what archetype

1110
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,719
of player outside of a star would make sort of

1111
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,920
the biggest difference here. Is it a Walker Kesler, Is

1112
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:22,920
it a Jeremy Grant?

1113
00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:27,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't know. I would lean more

1114
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,519
towards and this is you just maybe this is because

1115
00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:32,400
you default here for almost anyone. It's like another three

1116
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,360
and d Wing like someone someone that is going to

1117
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,119
make open threes and make it so like Ruiye or

1118
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,880
Lebron aren't your best options on you know, the Jason

1119
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,920
Tatums or that like that type of player. I mean,

1120
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,960
maybe Davis is frankly your best option on any of

1121
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:47,639
those times.

1122
00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: I was going to ask, was it You know everyone's

1123
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:50,719
gonna say, oh, why would you want to keep up

1124
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,119
a first for Walker Kessler? But if you make Walker

1125
00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:56,599
Kessler like your base rimt protection guy, and then Anthony

1126
00:52:56,679 --> 00:52:59,159
Davis is the guy who's insulating everyone else on the perimeter, which,

1127
00:52:59,199 --> 00:53:02,480
by the way, he's basically that guy anyway.

1128
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, the lazy doesn't have to do both, going

1129
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,320
for it. Yeah, no, okay, the Lakers are really interesting,

1130
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,000
like in a genuine way, not in a way that

1131
00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:12,679
like we must speak about the Lakers that that's a positive.

1132
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: So we've got news updates here. We'll just go through.

1133
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,599
I mean, if there's any additional commentary that that needs

1134
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:21,880
to be had, we will obviously give it. But this

1135
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,679
function is just a good exercise for us to kind

1136
00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:28,360
of keep up. It's mostly on injuries spoiler alert, but

1137
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,840
also just like any if there's any big time rumors,

1138
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,880
will include there so we can alternate on teams. I

1139
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,320
will begin with the Atlanta Hawks in the alphabet. Apparently

1140
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,760
Bogdan Bogdanovich will miss at least a month after undergoing

1141
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:44,079
a non surgical procedure to address a hamstring injury. That's

1142
00:53:44,119 --> 00:53:46,480
a bummer for that team. And then also Kobe Buffkin

1143
00:53:46,519 --> 00:53:49,360
will miss extensive time after suffering a partially dislocated right

1144
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,519
shoulder for the second time, and also DeAndre Hunters dealing

1145
00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:55,079
with right knew information as well. I will say just

1146
00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:57,559
the number of this the potential creators on this team.

1147
00:53:57,559 --> 00:53:59,960
With Bogdanovich and Buffkin out, it continues to dwindle.

1148
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: That's rough. Will jump down to the Charlotte Hornets here.

1149
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:05,280
Brandon Miller, currently out at least a week with a

1150
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,400
left gluten strain, probably did it. He didn't, actually, but

1151
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:10,840
had a phenomenal opening night dunk and was basically not

1152
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,159
heard from again in that game.

1153
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: I still haven't watched that dunk. I needed to do,

1154
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:14,960
got to do it.

1155
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:15,639
Speaker 2: It's a good one.

1156
00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: Onto the Bulls. Lonzo Ball will be reevaluated in ten

1157
00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:21,639
days after suffering a right wrist sprain. He said that

1158
00:54:21,679 --> 00:54:24,400
playing through it could make it worse. This is this sucks,

1159
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,239
but I'm also just happy that it has nothing to

1160
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:27,760
do with his lower body. Right.

1161
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that takes us down to the Detroit Pistons. The

1162
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,760
sar Thompson still waiting on NBA clearance to return from

1163
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,719
the blood clot issue that sidelined him all the way

1164
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,159
back in March. So we still just were just just

1165
00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:41,880
a waiting game. I guess these are the blood clot

1166
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,559
thing is always you know, and basically ended Chris Bosh's

1167
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:47,239
career Like it's such a scary thing. I get the

1168
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,679
I get the the the careful approach here.

1169
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,079
Speaker 1: We already talked about the Warriors a little bit, but

1170
00:54:53,199 --> 00:54:55,639
just to recap, Steph Curry suffers his brain left ankle

1171
00:54:55,679 --> 00:54:58,039
twice in the same game. He will miss at least

1172
00:54:58,039 --> 00:54:59,719
one more game after I already missing that game against

1173
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,840
the pelop The Anthony Melton is dealing with a back issue.

1174
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,880
He's going to miss at least one more game as well,

1175
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,840
But we haven't gotten it. Ironclan guarantees that this is all

1176
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:09,000
the time they're going to miss.

1177
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's not on the level of a Lonzo

1178
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,280
Ball knee injury. But d Anthony Meltain's back has been

1179
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,159
especially the last year of major issue. So concerning uh

1180
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,199
Houston Rockets, a little bit of non injury news here.

1181
00:55:20,199 --> 00:55:22,960
If Jimmy Butler becomes available, Houston is considered a team

1182
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,239
to watch. According to Mark Stein. Yeah, I mean they

1183
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,519
got a million young guys to trade like that's you

1184
00:55:27,519 --> 00:55:29,119
can get there with the salaries for sure.

1185
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,119
Speaker 1: I just don't And we'll get into this more. We

1186
00:55:31,159 --> 00:55:35,039
have an extension reaction that will come out eventually at

1187
00:55:35,039 --> 00:55:36,280
some point. I don't even know what day it is

1188
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:41,199
and what is time grant? But it's not happening. It could.

1189
00:55:41,679 --> 00:55:43,719
I mean, they have that huge van Fleet salary if

1190
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,239
they want to, and they have other ways to get there,

1191
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:49,000
but I can't imagine that that happens mid season for them.

1192
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,639
Speaker 2: Is that a jail? Is that the Jalen Green trade?

1193
00:55:51,679 --> 00:55:54,079
Somehow Someway all like, well, it's just going to be.

1194
00:55:54,039 --> 00:55:56,559
Speaker 1: A free agent though, Like and also if you're Miami

1195
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,199
and you're moving Butler, I think you would prioritize would

1196
00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:02,559
you prefer having van Fleet and just the flexibility of

1197
00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:04,159
his expiring contract or do you want to take the

1198
00:56:04,199 --> 00:56:07,119
gamble on jail and Green? Plus there'll be other salary

1199
00:56:07,159 --> 00:56:08,280
and there to make the math work.

1200
00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:11,519
Speaker 2: Kind of fascinated by Jalen Green in Miami as like

1201
00:56:11,519 --> 00:56:13,760
a cornerstone, if I'm being honest, that's.

1202
00:56:13,559 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: A cornerstone to the Indiana Pacers. James Wiseman suffer a

1203
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,039
torn left achilles tendon. He will miss the rest of

1204
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:24,639
twenty twenty four twenty twenty five. Presumably his contract is

1205
00:56:24,679 --> 00:56:27,239
guaranteed for this season, which I'm always happy, but the

1206
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,199
Pacers have a team option on him for next season,

1207
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,199
so we'll see. If they it's so cheap, they might

1208
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,119
just keep him in tow, let him rehab and maybe

1209
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:34,360
pick it up. But we'll have to wait and see

1210
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:35,000
what happens with that.

1211
00:56:35,199 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, rough tough break for a guy that's had a

1212
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,159
few of those in a young career. Moving on to

1213
00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:42,559
the Clippers, PJ Tucker has been granted permission to find

1214
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:45,159
a trade. According to Chris Haynes, Sixers, Bucks, Sons, and

1215
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:46,800
Heat are all reportedly interested.

1216
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,199
Speaker 1: I'd like to interject to say that none of those

1217
00:56:49,199 --> 00:56:52,000
teams are actually going to trade for PJ. Tucker. Like, there's,

1218
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,480
first of all, the way that you can't trade with

1219
00:56:54,519 --> 00:56:57,119
his second Apron team while you're like the whole these

1220
00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:59,000
teams being subject to the Apron. So there has to

1221
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,320
be a third team involved in most cases, and it's

1222
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,199
which of those teams has contracts that they want to

1223
00:57:04,199 --> 00:57:07,079
get off in exchange for PJ. Tucker's eleven million dollars.

1224
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,679
Those all sound like destinations that will want PJ. Tucker

1225
00:57:09,679 --> 00:57:10,519
after he's bought out.

1226
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 2: Right, that's that if this ends any other way than

1227
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,159
a buyout, I'm gonna be pretty surprised. Also, Randy Sheldon,

1228
00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:19,199
a former strength and condition this is an interesting story.

1229
00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:21,639
A strength and conditioning coach for the Clippers is suing

1230
00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:24,679
the franchise and president of basketball Ops, Lawrence Frank, alleging

1231
00:57:24,719 --> 00:57:27,960
wrongful termination, which is in part for raising concerns about

1232
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,360
the management of Kawhi Leonard's health and injuries. According to

1233
00:57:30,519 --> 00:57:33,880
Baxter Holmes and Ramona Shelbon of ESPN, kind of painting

1234
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,719
himself as a whistleblower, I guess, although, like I did

1235
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:40,400
in reading up, I think it was in Holmes' piece

1236
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,719
like his contract had expired and was just not renewed.

1237
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,840
So like this whole wrongful termination thing is kind of suspect,

1238
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,280
but you know, just another layer to the whole, like

1239
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,840
Kawhi injury got his own team, Like all this is

1240
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,599
just like I don't know, it's it's a mess. I

1241
00:57:58,639 --> 00:58:00,800
don't know that anything's gonna come of this, but just

1242
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,000
an another thing to pile on top of the whole.

1243
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: This would have been a topic to get you the

1244
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,599
gavel and the wig and the robe. I tackle Grant

1245
00:58:08,639 --> 00:58:09,920
Hughes esquire over here.

1246
00:58:10,719 --> 00:58:12,159
Speaker 2: I need to read the court documents.

1247
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,679
Speaker 1: I'm about to troll the shit out of this team

1248
00:58:14,679 --> 00:58:16,719
on one of these news notes. But the Lakers we

1249
00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:19,880
already mentioned Walker Kessler's on their trade target list. Per

1250
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,360
Jovan Buja of The Athletic, we already talked about why

1251
00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:26,920
Christian Cloco has been medically clear to play after missing

1252
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,280
last year do a blood clot issue. That is fantastic news.

1253
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,000
We just talked about how fickle and dangerous and unnerving

1254
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,639
blood clots can be. However, I'm taking issue with this

1255
00:58:34,719 --> 00:58:36,119
framing from Shams Grant.

1256
00:58:36,119 --> 00:58:36,719
Speaker 2: I knew you would.

1257
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: This is the tweet promising news for the Lakers' development program,

1258
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,320
which now adds KloCo to recent successes in Austin Reeves

1259
00:58:44,519 --> 00:58:47,480
and Dalton Connect. Lakers have been intrigued with KloCo, who's

1260
00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:50,679
expected to provide another center to play alongside Anthony Davis

1261
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,880
in the front court. I all, this is all due

1262
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,800
respect to Christian Cloco has not played a fucking game

1263
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,480
for the Lakers. So what success is this other than

1264
00:59:01,079 --> 00:59:04,199
what did the Lakers actively do? Did they say did

1265
00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:06,559
they go about life saving maneuvers here with the blood

1266
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:09,239
clot if that's what this is referring to, Fine, don't

1267
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,320
connect is played fewer than five NBA games, Grant, the

1268
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:13,719
fuck are we doing here?

1269
00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 2: Well, what we're doing is mouthpiecing for the Lakers and

1270
00:59:17,519 --> 00:59:19,440
Clutch like, that's that's what's happening.

1271
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,719
Speaker 1: I know what we're doing, but it's exhausting. It is.

1272
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 2: When I saw that. When I saw that, I was

1273
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,079
immediately like, oh, this is this what we're in for?

1274
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,760
Like with the new news breaking situation at ESPN.

1275
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:33,239
Speaker 1: I will say, why didn't Max Christy make the cut? Then?

1276
00:59:33,519 --> 00:59:37,719
Speaker 2: Right? Rough? Really rough? Well, I don't know who's he

1277
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,039
represented by. That's probably a factor.

1278
00:59:42,639 --> 00:59:45,519
Speaker 1: Didn't get a player option because I'll I'm not as

1279
00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:47,679
up on like the agency. I know more.

1280
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 2: I'm not either. I just it's just such a like

1281
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,840
what is that? I don't even understand what this means

1282
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,239
about what is the Lakers development program?

1283
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: I was wrong. He's his agent is Lacey Lafour and

1284
01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:02,119
In Bradbury. So that's why he didn't get a shout out.

1285
01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:04,639
He's not with Clutch. Okay, time to make a move,

1286
01:00:04,719 --> 01:00:06,239
Max Christie. That's enough.

1287
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 2: That's enough. On the Lakers, Memphis Grizzlies, Jay Huff he

1288
01:00:10,119 --> 01:00:11,800
of have you seen the Jay Huff dunk Dan?

1289
01:00:12,159 --> 01:00:15,119
Speaker 1: Because that I was watching the Jay Huff dumble that.

1290
01:00:16,199 --> 01:00:18,599
Speaker 2: Was I mean, good for him. Didn't see that coming

1291
01:00:19,039 --> 01:00:20,880
he was converted from a two way contract to a

1292
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,599
standard NBA deal, and I have been converted from someone

1293
01:00:23,639 --> 01:00:25,239
who did not know who Jay Huff was to a

1294
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,559
Jay Huff fan. He signed for four years in ten

1295
01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:33,039
point one million. Like a floor stretching center that can

1296
01:00:33,079 --> 01:00:35,920
do cool reverse dunks in traffic and block some shots

1297
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,599
like that. Guy probably should have had a job or

1298
01:00:38,639 --> 01:00:40,760
more consistently up to this point. We'll see how that

1299
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,880
works out in Memphis. Also on the Grizzlies front, less exciting.

1300
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,960
John Moran miss Monday's game with a thigh contusion I

1301
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,440
believe is the injury for.

1302
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,119
Speaker 1: The Miami Heat. This is not injury related at least

1303
01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:54,440
a Dwayne. Wayne's statue was unveiled. He did not look

1304
01:00:54,519 --> 01:00:57,599
enthusiastic while he was clapping for its unveiling, but he

1305
01:00:57,679 --> 01:01:00,480
defended the criticism thrown at the artist way. I'm only

1306
01:01:00,519 --> 01:01:03,039
putting this in here because I appreciated it, just as

1307
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,360
I try to say that all my jokes are in

1308
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,960
good fun, even when they can be overly snarky or critical.

1309
01:01:08,519 --> 01:01:11,920
But to like, as Wade basically said, being a player

1310
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,800
in the public eye, having dealing with the criticism, like

1311
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,800
I know what that's like when people don't appreciate all

1312
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,559
this effort that you put into something that's his work,

1313
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,920
that's his recreation of a moment. And I just really

1314
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,679
appreciated that defense, and it has as I've gotten older.

1315
01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:27,519
It's defined how I go about criticism towards I never

1316
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:30,679
try to make it super personal, and it's I'm not

1317
01:01:30,719 --> 01:01:33,239
trying to demean or claim that a player deprecate their work,

1318
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,719
ethic or their body type, not saying that's the right way,

1319
01:01:35,719 --> 01:01:37,119
but it was kind of just like in a ha

1320
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,800
moment to where yeah, like that's the it's the memes

1321
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:42,760
were kind of funny because it does not look like

1322
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,480
Dwyane Wade, but it's also yes, someone did pour play

1323
01:01:45,519 --> 01:01:48,400
their heart and soul into that, and so it subs cotrol.

1324
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,079
Speaker 2: And like, how about let us know next time there's

1325
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:54,079
a statue that everyone is like, oh, perfect likeness, it's

1326
01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:56,800
always this. It's always like can you believe how ridiculous this?

1327
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,440
Like what is it? Like the Christiano Ronaldo one is

1328
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,039
like the biggest joke of all time. It's just like

1329
01:02:01,039 --> 01:02:04,360
that's what she gets. Yeah right, this is what happens

1330
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:08,920
with statue that just okay, Minnesota timber Wolves are up next.

1331
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,280
Mike Conley says he's been dealing with a little wrist soreness,

1332
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,119
according to John Krazinski of The Athletic stems from something

1333
01:02:14,119 --> 01:02:15,800
a few years ago. This is what happens when you

1334
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,119
get old a few years ago. Injuries just show back up.

1335
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,719
When he's uh that when he's done playing, he's gonna

1336
01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:22,599
need to have it addressed. He's confident it's not the

1337
01:02:22,639 --> 01:02:25,119
reason for his slow shooting start because he just had

1338
01:02:25,159 --> 01:02:27,320
it for a while. Not super encouraging, but at least

1339
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,400
it's not some new acute injury, so that's slightly positive.

1340
01:02:31,079 --> 01:02:33,159
Speaker 1: This is mostly just a catch up on the Pelicans.

1341
01:02:33,159 --> 01:02:36,360
I'm hoping. I've not seen anything about Herb Jones's shoulder

1342
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,480
injury he suffered against the Warriors. Grant have you like

1343
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:39,119
sen No.

1344
01:02:39,719 --> 01:02:41,559
Speaker 2: He had to leave the game though, and did not

1345
01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:45,320
return after like a rough a rough scrum on the

1346
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,400
floor of Pajemski kind of fell on it on his

1347
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,559
right shoulder and bent it bent in a way that

1348
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,559
would suggest there's an injury there.

1349
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:56,039
Speaker 1: Those Santa Clara alums are just notoriously dirty, dangerous or dangerous.

1350
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,400
So de Jante Murray he will be out at least

1351
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,199
four to six weeks after he had surgery repair Fractioners

1352
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,039
left hand that he suffered on Opening night because the

1353
01:03:04,039 --> 01:03:06,880
Pelicans are cursed. In further evidence that the Pelicans are curse,

1354
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,000
Trey Murphy right hamstring injury will be reevaluated after the

1355
01:03:10,039 --> 01:03:12,880
first week of November. He has yet to play this season.

1356
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 2: For anyone wondering, former Pelican and current New York Nick

1357
01:03:16,199 --> 01:03:19,159
Josh Hart proving there is curses that follow you elsewhere.

1358
01:03:19,159 --> 01:03:21,679
Dealing with multiple injuries, including a left ankle issue, he's

1359
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,519
likely to pla he almost got me to read this part.

1360
01:03:24,679 --> 01:03:26,639
I will just anyway. He's likely to play until he

1361
01:03:26,679 --> 01:03:27,320
dies anyway.

1362
01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: Well, he was listed is out before the game against

1363
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:32,239
the Cabs, I think, and then played.

1364
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 2: It doesn't make sure you can't keep josh Hart out.

1365
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,719
Speaker 1: We're onto the Sixers. We're still waiting on return timetables

1366
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,719
for Embiid and Paul George. Both of them have left

1367
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,880
knee stuff going on. But the team has been fined

1368
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,719
one hundred thousand dollars for public statements on Joellembid's availability,

1369
01:03:48,039 --> 01:03:51,159
per Sham Sourced said. The NBA's investigation showed that the

1370
01:03:51,159 --> 01:03:55,719
Sixers did not violate player participation player participation policy, my god,

1371
01:03:56,079 --> 01:03:58,639
within Bead's missed games, but in fact, with the public

1372
01:03:58,639 --> 01:04:02,159
comments that did not properly his health issues with his knee.

1373
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,280
I don't understand what that means other than did they

1374
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,360
mislead fans into buying tickets for games that they thought

1375
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:10,800
they were going to see Joel Andbiid play.

1376
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,559
Speaker 2: To me, that is exactly what this means, is that

1377
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:19,519
the Sixers know his injury is more scar Yeah. It's like, so,

1378
01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:22,719
what are they being fined for for not saying so?

1379
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,119
I guess I don't know, Like, yeah, cause it's it's

1380
01:04:25,159 --> 01:04:28,760
not it's it's just I guess it's just about under selling,

1381
01:04:29,079 --> 01:04:31,400
you know it, calling it maintenance or whatever when it's like, no, no,

1382
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,599
his knee is not he can't play, it's he's hurt.

1383
01:04:34,159 --> 01:04:37,199
Speaker 1: Like what the hell he played in the Olympics. Not well?

1384
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,639
Speaker 2: He was out there for the most part. Yeah, not great.

1385
01:04:41,679 --> 01:04:44,000
And you said, you said, don't have timetables on either

1386
01:04:44,039 --> 01:04:47,159
him or Paul George. Moving on to the Spurs, Denvasel

1387
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,639
expected to make his season debut the first week of November.

1388
01:04:49,679 --> 01:04:52,840
He's coming back from right foot surgery last season. H

1389
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,599
huge piece, like just a huge piece for the Spurs

1390
01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:59,159
because that offense is I mean, the Chris Paul Wemby

1391
01:04:59,199 --> 01:05:01,599
pick and roll is just kind of not a thing yet,

1392
01:05:01,679 --> 01:05:05,159
So need that creator that shooter. Uh.

1393
01:05:05,199 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: For the Toronto Raptors, Scottie Barnes suffered an orbital fracture

1394
01:05:08,519 --> 01:05:12,000
and will be reevaluated in three weeks. That is bad

1395
01:05:12,039 --> 01:05:15,480
news for Toronto's Raptors offense. That is already bad news

1396
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,239
in general. So I mean everything about their team, well

1397
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,880
not everything about their team, but their statistical performance has

1398
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,480
probably been Look, they's just perfect loss to the Nuggets.

1399
01:05:23,559 --> 01:05:26,000
Let's force over time and anyway.

1400
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:29,159
Speaker 2: When you got four and a half good players and

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one quickly is already hurt with that pelvic contusion or

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has been hurt his back looks like looks looks like

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he might be last year.

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Speaker 1: R J can I very quickly for emotion and I

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can cut this if you don't think it's podcast worthy.

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I'd like permission to call Grady Dick rejections cock blocks.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what else you could even consider calling them.

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Speaker 1: Have you heard it before the first one to come

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up with it? We have to be even in there then,

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it's someone it's not hot.

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Speaker 2: If you arrived at that like in a tie with

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you just need to get it out there. So it's

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attributed to you. I think you're gonna want that on,

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you know, just in your your ledger.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a terrible se Yeah, okay, well there's

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no good way to do it. Uh.

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Speaker 2: For the Jazz, Taylor Hendricks suffered a right fibula, a

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fractured right fibula, dislocated an ankle, the one of those

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like foots going the wrong way things and one of

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the strangest like I just there was no contact. He

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was just running by himself and tried to stop like

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essentially fell on his own right foot. Brutal, like ugly,

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scary injury. The good news is, like guys come back

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from this, like you talk about Paul George, Gordon Hayward.

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That happens in football, like Aiden Hutchinson just had the

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same thing with for the Detroit line like this is

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it looks as bad as an injury can look, and

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then guys do come back. So we like Hendricks, were

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rooting for him, but he is going to miss the

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rest of the season. Unfortunately for the.

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Speaker 1: Jazz, I did not see it. I won't be watching it,

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and hopefully he falls to the Paul George end of

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the spectrum, just because he's younger when it happens, so

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hopefully it doesn't alter his career too much. And finally,

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the Washington Wizards Kyle Queen was out indefinitely after suffering

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a right groin strain. More, honestly, more shots for black

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Cool Bali, who just needs to take more shots. He

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looks He just looks so good on the ball right now.

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Not in the process is not always like the end result,

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I should say, is not always good. But he just

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looks so comfortable and poised, and I just want him

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to continue shooting more, but probably more shots for Jordan

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Poole as well.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, you're.

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Speaker 1: Ready to take us out of here, mister Hughes. Yep.

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Speaker 2: Thanks everybody for checking in with our check ins. We'll

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try to do something like this once a week going forward.

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If you haven't already, please just remember rate us review,

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plus in now so we're ramping up. Feels like it

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feels like a month as far behind as I feel

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about everything going on. Thanks to everybody shouts frank O

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kan An apologies, tear down m