Speaker 1: Oh bedoves are.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: This is the Cult of Conspiracy and my name is
Speaker 3: Jonathan Jreck, and today we bring back our brother Chris
Speaker 3: Matthew from Forbidden Knowledge News and uh.
Speaker 2: Dude, this is going to be sick. We love having
Speaker 2: you on the show and you're a fucking filmmaker now
Speaker 2: look at you.
Speaker 4: Oh thank you, brothers. It's pretty surreal. And I am
Speaker 4: grateful and blessed to be able to do this and
Speaker 4: I'm blessed to be back on with you guys.
Speaker 5: Let's get weird.
Speaker 2: Let's get weird. So you're actually working on well, you
Speaker 2: put out your second documentary now. And for anybody who
Speaker 2: hasn't listened to the first one or go gone and
Speaker 2: watched the first one, that was a cult Louisiana, where
Speaker 2: can they find that one at.
Speaker 4: They can find that one on two b, Roku channel,
Speaker 4: a bunch of other streaming platforms. So that's available right
Speaker 4: now for free. You can check that out.
Speaker 2: That's awesome, man, You've been getting a ton of positive
Speaker 2: reviews on that and everything. We're very proud of you, man,
Speaker 2: and so just thank you. I just wanted to say
Speaker 2: happy to have you as a as an awesome friend
Speaker 2: and happy to see you doing shit man. That is
Speaker 2: that is awesome. But why we brought you on here
Speaker 2: today is because you got documentary number two out right
Speaker 2: now now, the Doors of Perception, Sir. Can you tell
Speaker 2: us a little bit about it?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 4: Sure, And just to add on to what you're saying,
Speaker 4: this all started as an experiment. I was trying to see,
Speaker 4: with a cult Louisiana, if I could maybe get a
Speaker 4: movie on streaming platforms. I had very minimal editing skills.
Speaker 4: I knew kind of how basically how to put everything together,
Speaker 4: and I learned the specs, and amazingly enough, we got
Speaker 4: it on there and learned so much from that one
Speaker 4: about production and editing and the quality and how to
Speaker 4: film and all that stuff. So started on production of
Speaker 4: film too, Doors of Perception, And this was supposed to
Speaker 4: be the first film I did because it was inspired
Speaker 4: by everything I talk about on the show, really, but
Speaker 4: I didn't know how to.
Speaker 5: Put it together.
Speaker 4: I figured a show about Louisiana, I mean, a movie
Speaker 4: about Louisiana would be much easier. So that's what we did.
Speaker 4: So this one took a lot of thought, a lot
Speaker 4: of inspiration through consciousness, exploration and psychedelics and meditation, and
Speaker 4: it finally came through of how I was going to
Speaker 4: put it together is just weaving together the connections between
Speaker 4: these paranormal experiences, altered states, dreams, near death experiences, meditation,
Speaker 4: alien abduction, and how they all not only connect in
Speaker 4: very profound ways, but there are synchronicities that follow in
Speaker 4: our lives after having these experiences that tell a story
Speaker 4: and weave everything together and lead us on our path.
Speaker 4: And that's really what I focused on throughout the movie,
Speaker 4: is trying to connect all those things and how the
Speaker 4: synchronicities come together and the possibilities. And I had some
Speaker 4: great authors and researchers and guests on that talked about
Speaker 4: some of the topics that discussed, and I'm really happy
Speaker 4: with what it came out. Like I said, I learned
Speaker 4: a lot and I'm stopd for you guys to see it.
Speaker 4: You can rent it or purchase right now.
Speaker 5: From our website.
Speaker 4: It'll be available on the big streaming platforms hopefully by
Speaker 4: June or July.
Speaker 2: Awesome, dude, so doors a perception that I was imagining
Speaker 2: that it probably had to do something with psychedelics, with
Speaker 2: allus Huxley and that kind of stuff. What drug I
Speaker 2: always forget what kind of drug was he experimenting with
Speaker 2: whenever he was.
Speaker 4: Wrescling mask And oddly enough, I don't even mention Huxley
Speaker 4: in here. I was in part inspired by his work,
Speaker 4: and it does have a section on psychedelics. In fact,
Speaker 4: Doors of Perception Part two. My next one is going
Speaker 4: to focus more on the psychedelic end of things. But
Speaker 4: this does focus a bit on psychedelics, but it's more
Speaker 4: of weaving together the other experiences that have similarities and
Speaker 4: connect to same intelligences, bring same information and maybe within
Speaker 4: the same realms if you will, that these other experiences
Speaker 4: take place with didn't really talk about Huxley much. I
Speaker 4: talked about DMT, ayahuasca, magic mushrooms, and I had experts
Speaker 4: from each of those.
Speaker 5: I had.
Speaker 4: Carlos Tanner, who is the founder of the Ayahuasca Foundation
Speaker 4: in Peru. He talked about ayahuasca a bit.
Speaker 5: His healing journey.
Speaker 4: I had Adam Butler, the author of Butler's DMT Field
Speaker 4: Guide about DMT and his experiences there, and I was
Speaker 4: on talking a bit about my mushrooms experiences and the
Speaker 4: healings within Part two is going to focus more on
Speaker 4: the growing psychedelic industry, healing centers, also the dark side, weaponization,
Speaker 4: MK ultra, and some of the more nefarious things that
Speaker 4: can happen if you're not really respectful enough going into
Speaker 4: the psychedelic realms. So that's what part two is going
Speaker 4: to focus on a lot more. But yeah, that's what
Speaker 4: we got on part one, and the rest of the
Speaker 4: film just focuses on the dreams and meditation and contact
Speaker 4: experiences and what those really mean for us.
Speaker 2: Dude, I love this kind of stuff, and you know,
Speaker 2: obviously me having Meta Mysteries, I dive into this kind
Speaker 2: of stuff all the time, man, And you've been kind
Speaker 2: enough to have the Meta Mysteries on your show a
Speaker 2: few times and it's always been a great talk. I
Speaker 2: did want to ask you though. So actually, it was
Speaker 2: like maybe a month ago that on Meta Mysteries we
Speaker 2: had this guy on. His name is Paul Wild. Have
Speaker 2: you ever had a conversation with him? No, I have not,
Speaker 2: So he actually he actually dives into Jim Morrison a lot.
Speaker 6: Dude.
Speaker 2: It's and it's awesome and he's he says that that
Speaker 2: Jim Morrison actually got his idea to call his band
Speaker 2: The Doors from Aldus Huxley and The Doors of Perception,
Speaker 2: and it goes into all of the the occult teaching,
Speaker 2: and he believes that he was basically trying to teach
Speaker 2: a little bit of the occult throughout a lot of
Speaker 2: his lyrics, because if you go back you listen to
Speaker 2: some of his lyrics, Holy shit, talking about the Doors
Speaker 2: like it is, it's almost like alchemical, which is pretty rad, dude.
Speaker 7: But uh, but yeah, Jacob, the psychedelic side of things,
Speaker 7: we just had a guy, Danny Guller.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you've heard of him or not.
Speaker 7: The old guy that goler Gold, Yeah, who does DMT
Speaker 7: and stares at lasers.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So you talking about how you kind of delved into
Speaker 7: the psychedelic realm and kind of piercing the veil in
Speaker 7: that regard. I was also curious if you've had a
Speaker 7: conversation with him, because he is a fascinating guy to
Speaker 7: talk to.
Speaker 4: Not yet, but I'm glad you mentioned it because I
Speaker 4: had put a note to reach out to him and
Speaker 4: completely forgot, So I definitely need to reach out to him,
Speaker 4: see if I can.
Speaker 5: You guys have had him on the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I've had him on Meta Mysteries and on here.
Speaker 2: I'll actually hook you up with him. And because he's
Speaker 2: an awesome guy to talk to as dude, he's he's done.
Speaker 2: I think he's done DMT like a thousand times or
Speaker 2: something wild. It's like, dude, I I did it once
Speaker 2: and I'll probably never do it again. I liked it.
Speaker 2: I learned a lot from it. But that's all I need.
Speaker 2: I don't need any more than that. I'm good. You know,
Speaker 2: it's it's uh, but it's it is interesting the things
Speaker 2: that you see while while you're in there, you know,
Speaker 2: whether it is you know, any kind of psychedelic really like,
Speaker 2: why is it that we see these things? Is it
Speaker 2: just our mind? I know that some people like to
Speaker 2: just say, oh, that's just our mind, and and that's
Speaker 2: how we're looking at this fractal world. And it helps
Speaker 2: you see beyond the you know, either it helps you
Speaker 2: see beyond the veil or it's just your mind making
Speaker 2: it up. And I'm sorry, I really don't buy that
Speaker 2: it's just our mind. I believe that it opens us
Speaker 2: up to some kind of vibration that gives us access
Speaker 2: to be able to see what our our normal five
Speaker 2: senses can What do you think about that?
Speaker 4: I think that was basically proven to me through my
Speaker 4: May fourth experience because it was so much more than
Speaker 4: just a visionary or out of body experience. It physically
Speaker 4: led me somewhere to where I was asking to go.
Speaker 4: I was asking to find God, and it brought me
Speaker 4: to this pastor's house, which led to a brand new
Speaker 4: understanding of God and my whole reality. So for me,
Speaker 4: that was everything I ever needed to know about the
Speaker 4: powers of these and how it's not just accessing parts
Speaker 4: of our subconscious. I think it's accessing our innerverse, which
Speaker 4: is the universe, which is everything. I think within is
Speaker 4: how to get out. It's where all the ecosystems of
Speaker 4: intelligences in the universe, realm act, everything that you can
Speaker 4: ever access can be accessed through within. Through these meditative experiences,
Speaker 4: astral dreams, psychedelics, assessing something that I believe opens a
Speaker 4: door within our pineal or third eye, and we gain
Speaker 4: access to the outside realms and outside intelligences. And since
Speaker 4: we are wide open during those experiences, even based on
Speaker 4: my experiences, can be very dangerous and can attract things
Speaker 4: that if you're not vibrating right, They're going to try
Speaker 4: and take advantage of you or even maybe harm you
Speaker 4: in some ways. So we're definitely accessing something more.
Speaker 6: Damn.
Speaker 2: How do you protect yourself against things like that?
Speaker 6: Though?
Speaker 4: See I it was a learning process for me. I
Speaker 4: was thrown into the fire many times. I was, I
Speaker 4: guess lucky enough to have what I understand as my
Speaker 4: higher self as a communication and safety net during these
Speaker 4: experiences to kind of pull me out if it got
Speaker 4: too hot, or warn me about things. But there was
Speaker 4: times it would let me go into deep waters, a
Speaker 4: little too deep with some things that I shouldn't be
Speaker 4: messing with, so I would learn from the experience. I
Speaker 4: would have a traumatic experience with some kind of negative
Speaker 4: entity attached to me, and then I'll have days or
Speaker 4: weeks of shitty life because I've got this anguish or
Speaker 4: anxiety or something that I picked up from those astral
Speaker 4: realms that then I'll have to go back in and
Speaker 4: clear up with the help of you know, my guides
Speaker 4: or my higher self. And each thing that can afflict
Speaker 4: you has to be cleared up in a different way.
Speaker 4: Sometimes you have to locate what the energy is, address it,
Speaker 4: talk to it, use the name of Jesus Christ all
Speaker 4: kinds of crazy things to get rid of the negative energies.
Speaker 4: But I found the more I went in, the more
Speaker 4: my vibration was raised, and the more spiritually connected I was,
Speaker 4: the less I had to worry about all those negative things.
Speaker 4: I think it has to do with how high we're vibing,
Speaker 4: where we're at spiritually, and if we're in the lower state,
Speaker 4: it's kind of attracts those negative things. But if we're
Speaker 4: vibe and high, they won't come anywhere near it.
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 2: You know, what's interesting is that a lot of people
Speaker 2: do call on the name of Jesus whenever they're in
Speaker 2: some kind of spiritual trouble, like whether it is deep
Speaker 2: within a psychedelic trip, or it could be the what
Speaker 2: is it called, where you're you can't get out of
Speaker 2: your body, sleep paralysis, you know, and for some reason,
Speaker 2: it absolutely works. And I'm curious about that. I mean,
Speaker 2: have you ever heard I mean, and this is not
Speaker 2: a blaspheme, it's it's just out of genuine curiosity, But
Speaker 2: have you ever heard of anybody calling on anybody else's name,
Speaker 2: any other enlightened possibly individual that would ever be able
Speaker 2: to come and possibly rescue them in a time of
Speaker 2: spiritual need in.
Speaker 5: The name of Krishna. I just don't know.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I couldn't tell you. I not that I know of.
Speaker 4: I was raised Catholic, I was raised Christians, so that's
Speaker 4: what I revert to during those tense situations. But now
Speaker 4: it's like I re integrated that kind of Christ consciousness
Speaker 4: into my life with all my new understandings. And it
Speaker 4: has nothing to do with the religion or dogma or
Speaker 4: any of the crap that we're taught from the church.
Speaker 4: It's just my own personal relationship with what I understand
Speaker 4: is Christ consciousness. I couldn't tell you if JC was
Speaker 4: even a real person or an archetype or what, but
Speaker 4: I identify with his teachings and that's where I go
Speaker 4: whenever I am in.
Speaker 5: Spiritual trouble or need something.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm going to that energy of Jesus Christ,
Speaker 4: and that's what I rely on plenty of times during
Speaker 4: those negative encounters.
Speaker 7: I know there's the same point you bring up, Jonathan, also,
Speaker 7: because I mean, I've never heard of and I'm sure
Speaker 7: there's gonna be some examples out there. It probably is
Speaker 7: calling upon Krishna or calling upon a Santa Ria god
Speaker 7: if they you know, whatever, whatever religion or whatever. Yeah, well, okay,
Speaker 7: to that point, I never heard of a Nordic pagan
Speaker 7: specifically calling upon one of their gods to aid them.
Speaker 7: But they don't believe that the gods are to be
Speaker 7: interfaced in such a way. They seek the gods for guidance,
Speaker 7: They don't seek the gods to help them because it's
Speaker 7: a different dynamic between the human realm and the god
Speaker 7: realm between Nordics.
Speaker 6: But neither here nor there. My point is, I don't
Speaker 6: know of any other.
Speaker 7: Figure that is consistently called upon that makes demons flee,
Speaker 7: like without fail, every time one plus one equals to
Speaker 7: calling upon the name of JC makes the dark forces
Speaker 7: run away. Now, there's a lot of people that have
Speaker 7: beliefs as to why that might be. I, being a Christian,
Speaker 7: have my own beliefs. But again, it might be, like
Speaker 7: you said, an archetypal thing, or maybe it's a spell thing. Right,
Speaker 7: the syllables themselves enact a spell of some type that
Speaker 7: makes the dark entities flee.
Speaker 6: Hey why not? Why not?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 6: But to your point, I don't think I've ever heard of.
Speaker 7: Another type where someone calls out and it gets answered
Speaker 7: in such a way.
Speaker 2: Well, i'll tell you what just from my own personal experience,
Speaker 2: and I've talked about this story before, so I'll just
Speaker 2: give you the TLDR. But I was having what was
Speaker 2: kind of a bad trip. I decided to do a
Speaker 2: psychedelic at a detrimental point in my life in which
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have. You know, it was kind of like
Speaker 2: you live and you learn, and but anyway, I felt
Speaker 2: I kind of fell into some muddy waters in a
Speaker 2: trip one time, and I literally I just said, anybody,
Speaker 2: can anybody come? I don't know who is real, Like,
Speaker 2: I just want somebody.
Speaker 7: Well, I said, for anybody means that anything positive or
Speaker 7: negative might answer big.
Speaker 2: Though whenever I said it, it was more of like
Speaker 2: not to sound gay or whatever, but of the love
Speaker 2: and of the lie. You know, somebody that's looking out
Speaker 2: for my best interest, possibly anybody that's looking out for
Speaker 2: me kind of thing. So it wasn't just anybody, but
Speaker 2: anybody who's possibly looking out for me for in my
Speaker 2: positive interest. And to my surprise, I was visited by Sekmet,
Speaker 2: which is an Egyptian god or goddess. Rather and you
Speaker 2: know that that went weird, but definitely helped.
Speaker 7: But you weren't calling upon Sekmet to counteract the negative
Speaker 7: forces that were on you.
Speaker 6: You were kind of losing control in that trip state.
Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, it wasn't. I didn't have any you know,
Speaker 2: scary uh slenderman or anything like that try and come
Speaker 2: and get me. It wasn't that I was necessarily being attacked.
Speaker 2: It was that I was I was going through like
Speaker 2: an anxiety attack, is really what it was. And because dude,
Speaker 2: whatever you're going through in your life and you take
Speaker 2: a psychedelic, it will heighten it to the absolute max.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, you ain't gonna run away from this.
Speaker 2: There is no alcohol that you can do to drown it.
Speaker 2: There's no weed that you can do to smoke it out,
Speaker 2: there's no meditation that you can do to really I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe you can. I probably should have went that route,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, but I decided to have
Speaker 2: a little trip and lo and behold, old segment shows
Speaker 2: up and I didn't know who she was. I didn't
Speaker 2: know what it was. I just knew that it was
Speaker 2: like a cat person. That's all I knew. And it
Speaker 2: seemed to be Caliko, but it was really really strange
Speaker 2: and but I mean, hey, I mean she made me
Speaker 2: feel better in the time. I know this sounds really strange.
Speaker 2: I know it sounds like, oh, this guy's just really
Speaker 2: off as fucking rocker. But I'm telling you, dude, like this,
Speaker 2: if I can make up anybody, why the fuck would
Speaker 2: I choose segment? You know what I'm saying, Like, of all,
Speaker 2: like I would much rather have you know, a valkyrie
Speaker 2: or something like that. That would have been That would
Speaker 2: have been dope. But but it is interesting. So uh
Speaker 2: whenever these entities, I mean, you've had entities show up
Speaker 2: in your psychedelic trips before, and not always good, but
Speaker 2: just out of curiosity. And I only asked this just
Speaker 2: because our most recent episode, which by the way, Jacob,
Speaker 2: that was episode eight hundred, and we didn't even fucking
Speaker 2: say anything about it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I realized that after the fact, but I think
Speaker 7: that was a solid one to have for episode eight hundred.
Speaker 6: Man, I'm just going out was that was sick.
Speaker 2: That was awesome, and so this will be eight oh one.
Speaker 2: But anyway, we went into that episode and we were
Speaker 2: talking about the different possible composition and everything that encompasses
Speaker 2: within the different dimensions. You know, as far as what
Speaker 2: string theory was able to prove. They believe that they
Speaker 2: can prove ten and one more, so they can prove
Speaker 2: the up to the tenth, but they know that there's
Speaker 2: at least one more after that. They just don't know
Speaker 2: what all it encompasses, because tenth dimension is like God
Speaker 2: level power, like the things that are there, like, it's
Speaker 2: like you can combine physics of each dimension to make
Speaker 2: a whole new physics, and it's weird shit. But do
Speaker 2: you believe that there are entities that are coming from
Speaker 2: these different dimensions? And if so, like which ones do
Speaker 2: you think they're coming from? That's another question that I
Speaker 2: have zero answers to. The only thing I can compare
Speaker 2: it to is my own experiences. And as far as
Speaker 2: different realms, I think there are definitely different levels, both
Speaker 2: below and above that we can access. Whenever I first
Speaker 2: started my psychedelic journeys, I was definitely starting off in
Speaker 2: the lower astral realms. They had some dense energies, some
Speaker 2: creepy things, some nasty entities that would try and interact
Speaker 2: with me, and they would be some of the more
Speaker 2: terrifying experiences I've had. But as I would go and
Speaker 2: learn and do a lot of healing and you know,
Speaker 2: inner trauma healing, it's like I'd breach a level above
Speaker 2: the level above the astrals, and they'd have still weird entities,
Speaker 2: still negative things, but they'd be getting a little bit
Speaker 2: more positive until i'd go up to you know, immediately
Speaker 2: within the first couple of hours of experiences. I don't
Speaker 2: do the mushrooms anymore, but last few times I did
Speaker 2: within the first couple of hours, like I could feel
Speaker 2: myself raising through astral to these lighter dimensions and feeling
Speaker 2: the energy of each as I would pass through, and
Speaker 2: when I would reach the pinnacle of where I was at,
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell you what level I was at at
Speaker 2: the pinnacle, but it was amazing if when I would
Speaker 2: see it, I would be just in a pure white,
Speaker 2: bright room, and oftentimes I'd meet myself there at the
Speaker 2: highest levels that I got to, and I'd have a
Speaker 2: conversation with myself, which would be my higher self, and
Speaker 2: it would be a vision of me sitting alone in
Speaker 2: this white bright room with me and my dog, and
Speaker 2: that's where it would always go to. At the highest
Speaker 2: levels and it would be the most blissful, loving feeling
Speaker 2: and experience that I ever had. But as far as
Speaker 2: what's coming through to us, like you're saying through paranormal
Speaker 2: experiences or if we have an encounter or contact experience,
Speaker 2: I think they are coming from the same place and
Speaker 2: I think it is the same intelligences and energies. I
Speaker 2: think they can present themselves as whatever they want to us,
Speaker 2: as whatever we can identify with, whatever you know, where
Speaker 2: we're at with our fears, emotions, beliefs, That's what they're
Speaker 2: going to appear as. And I think there's also layers
Speaker 2: to that. But when we're looking at paranormal encounters and.
Speaker 4: Cryptids and more of the physical, nasty extraterrestrial alien encounters
Speaker 4: like abductions, and they're sticking things in your butts and
Speaker 4: doing experiments those physical things, I think there's a huge
Speaker 4: layer of deception there. I think there's human involvement. I
Speaker 4: think there's military involvement. I'm not so sure that is
Speaker 4: the same thing that's coming from these realms. I think
Speaker 4: that maybe the humans, the mid the dark ones which
Speaker 4: are the humans, are tapped into the dark whatever's out
Speaker 4: there and getting information on how to proceed with these
Speaker 4: operations and false flags and abductions. In the science and
Speaker 4: dark neuroscience and technology that comes out of the military
Speaker 4: industrial complex. I believe they are tapped into something, but
Speaker 4: I don't believe we're interacting with that directly. I think
Speaker 4: it's coming through the humans and they're doing the nasty shit.
Speaker 4: And that's just my perception of that dark stuff.
Speaker 6: I'm kind of on the same vibe with that.
Speaker 7: So a lot of people will say, oh, I don't
Speaker 7: believe in aliens, but I believe.
Speaker 6: In demons, And I'm like, wait, why are you pretending
Speaker 6: like those are the same thing?
Speaker 7: Because they are, And it's like, okay, why, And then
Speaker 7: when you try to break that down with somebody, their
Speaker 7: reasons can vary.
Speaker 6: There's a range of answers they'll give to that.
Speaker 7: I am somebody who is of the belief that, yes,
Speaker 7: extraterrestrial life forms, right and put it to whatever cartoon
Speaker 7: version of a flying saucer you want. Fine, fine, Okay.
Speaker 7: I believe that those probably exist. But I also believe
Speaker 7: that angels and demons and things of the spiritual side
Speaker 7: from the other side of the realm, if you will,
Speaker 7: also exist. And while they might be connected. I don't
Speaker 7: necessarily think that they do a lot of the time. Now, Yes,
Speaker 7: I believe that, like a demon could present itself in
Speaker 7: some other form to make itself look like a Green
Speaker 7: Martian or whatever the case would be. But I don't
Speaker 7: also believe like those are completely intrinsic of each other.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 7: I believe that they are happening, happening separately and also
Speaker 7: at the same time.
Speaker 6: But you know, a lot of people have different perceptions
Speaker 6: on that.
Speaker 2: Well, and what do we even really know about aliens?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: I mean, you can hear a good bit, I would think.
Speaker 4: I've been doing some interesting interviews lately with plenty of
Speaker 4: folks that have claimed to be involved with higher levels
Speaker 4: of intelligence that are looking into the extraterrestrial phenomena.
Speaker 5: One of those people is Ryan Burns.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you're familiar with at Space Wolf Research out
Speaker 2: right next to Skinwalker Ranch.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, well he is.
Speaker 4: He has high level folks at his place all the time,
Speaker 4: throwing money at him to do research into this stuff
Speaker 4: like military, industrial, aerospace people. There's not much he can say,
Speaker 4: but he has told me some things, as well as
Speaker 4: some other guests I've had recently that claim to have
Speaker 4: in you know, some kind of intel about what's going on,
Speaker 4: especially in the Skinwalker Ranch area.
Speaker 5: Let's focus there.
Speaker 4: Supposedly most of the activity there is very exotic military
Speaker 4: weapons testing, and it's a lot of it is you know, natural,
Speaker 4: paranormal whatever phenomena. But most of the things that people
Speaker 4: are experiencing on the extreme levels, they experiment with everything
Speaker 4: from UFOs, mind control technology, frequency technology. They can make
Speaker 4: people sick, they can give people diseases, they can make
Speaker 4: people hallucinate and see things. They have nanoparticulates that can
Speaker 4: change into dogs and then to people. They have all
Speaker 4: kinds of exotic, crazy, horrific shit that they're testing out there.
Speaker 4: And I heard some dark things about even the skin
Speaker 4: Walker Ranch property where they have these little bins that
Speaker 4: supposedly they put animals in to attract something that will
Speaker 4: come and kill the inn or whatever. But it's been
Speaker 4: leaked the possibility and this is not provable, that they're
Speaker 4: putting people in those at times unwillingly and like scared
Speaker 4: ass people, because the more scared they are, the better
Speaker 4: for you know, attracting whatever's out there. I don't know,
Speaker 4: insane stuff, you know, Ryan has this legit satanist that
Speaker 4: lives right next door in his property that has a
Speaker 4: tent set up with these weird, powerful lights that he
Speaker 4: claims to attract the old gods at night. What these
Speaker 4: lights up in the sky and it attracts.
Speaker 5: UFOs all kinds of crazy stuff.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: So there is that probably natural level of energy and
Speaker 4: phenomena there, but they're definitely harnessing it and weaponizing it
Speaker 4: to the max. So you'll never know what you're getting
Speaker 4: when you're going out there. When I went out there
Speaker 4: and spent a couple of nights with Ryan on his ranch,
Speaker 4: the whole time I felt like uneasy anxious that nighttime.
Speaker 4: Of course, we saw the UFOs everywhere, but he gave
Speaker 4: us some night vision goggles, and the most disturbing shit
Speaker 4: I've ever seen was I'd look around and see shadows,
Speaker 4: and the shadows would be shining lasers at me. And
Speaker 4: it wasn't aliens or ghosts. It was Black Ops teams
Speaker 4: and they were watching us, and they were surveying us,
Speaker 4: and they were shooting like these laser beams at us
Speaker 4: that we couldn't see without the night vision goggles. Who
Speaker 4: knows what the fuck the lasers but all kinds of
Speaker 4: different color lasers all and we just felt so weird
Speaker 4: and crazy the whole time we were there. That is
Speaker 4: extremely concerning. The whole night we could look through the
Speaker 4: night vision and see the little shadows walking around and
Speaker 4: then point a laser and then some other weird light
Speaker 4: would pop out where they're at. So that whole area, man,
Speaker 4: is just infested with black military shit, dude.
Speaker 2: And it's not only just there. I recently just learned
Speaker 2: about a new location that is very similar to Skinwalker Ranch.
Speaker 2: It's called blind Frog Ranch. Have you ever heard of that?
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 4: I talked to the guy Dwayne Olinger at a conference,
Speaker 4: who's that's his ranch?
Speaker 2: Wow? That is I just stumbled across the TikTok and
Speaker 2: I went down the rabbit hole. Dude. They're talking about
Speaker 2: how you can literally so I believe, and I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know minerals and all that kind of shit,
Speaker 2: but but I believe that whenever you take sand and
Speaker 2: you heat it up you make it gives you silica dioxide,
Speaker 2: which is glass.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: They're claiming that if you take a bunch of sand
Speaker 2: and you go in this area, for some reason, the
Speaker 2: energy is totally like they say that it's like an
Speaker 2: energy zone. Whenever you go into this area over at
Speaker 2: a blind frog ranch and they say that you take
Speaker 2: a fucking like a like a handful of sand mixed
Speaker 2: with dirt even and you heat it up. It creates
Speaker 2: metal every single time, and it shouldn't be doing that,
Speaker 2: but they're saying that because of whatever the frequency is.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't even know how to describe it.
Speaker 2: They just say it's like a an energy zone. But
Speaker 2: you bring it over there and you go through the
Speaker 2: whole process of heating it up and like to super
Speaker 2: high temperatures and it turns to metal. Now, that shouldn't happen,
Speaker 2: but for some reason in the zone it does, and
Speaker 2: it's on it. Like, I don't know how you explain
Speaker 2: that away.
Speaker 6: I've never heard of prime Frog rant. I'm looking it
Speaker 6: up right now.
Speaker 7: Apparently there's like underground tunnel networks that they're doing to
Speaker 7: try to dig out treasure of some type.
Speaker 6: So, yeah, well, I have never heard of this. Where
Speaker 6: the hell is this located.
Speaker 2: In the Utah Utah? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Oh damn, the fucking mountain Jews have all the cool property.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, Yeah, well, I mean it makes sense.
Speaker 2: I mean, they were finding that was an area where
Speaker 2: the gold rush was obviously happening too, right, and so
Speaker 2: but it is enter though, because if this place can
Speaker 2: develop a metal and I don't know what specific types
Speaker 2: of metal, but I mean gold to metal. Silver is
Speaker 2: a fucking metal. I don't know what other kind of
Speaker 2: metals that they're that they could possibly be creating, but
Speaker 2: they believe that it's like it's benefiting possible like alchemical
Speaker 2: work over there, to where you're literally turning fucking dirt
Speaker 2: and sand into metal. And I don't know if they're
Speaker 2: gonna be able to turn it into gold or anything
Speaker 2: like that, which would be interesting, that would be awesome,
Speaker 2: but that would be like the tried formula of really
Speaker 2: understanding alchemy, and that is phenomenal. Like that is so
Speaker 2: crazy because I know that there's spiritual alchemy, and I'm
Speaker 2: super into the spiritual alchemy, and I do believe that
Speaker 2: you need to apply that spiritual alchemy to the physical
Speaker 2: alchemy in a sense. But yeah, I mean, just just
Speaker 2: the fact that there are places like this that are around. Dude,
Speaker 2: I mean, Jacob, what do you do with that? Like
Speaker 2: if that is true? And I saw a video, but
Speaker 2: videos can be edited. But if that is true, what
Speaker 2: do you what do you where do you? What compartment
Speaker 2: do you put that into your mind?
Speaker 6: Bro?
Speaker 7: I got a lot of questions with it, I'm be
Speaker 7: honest with you. So like it depends on the area
Speaker 7: that you're digging. For instance, right if you go I
Speaker 7: forget what the name of the river is, but basically
Speaker 7: you throw your pick axe and wherever it lands, you
Speaker 7: get a scoop of dirt and you go and sift
Speaker 7: it in the river. You're going to find gold dust
Speaker 7: within it. Right, certain areas just have and you're not
Speaker 7: gonna see that with the naked eye. Of course, you
Speaker 7: have to sift it, and then you're gonna have to
Speaker 7: you know, mold it and put into a little uh,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 6: A crucible and the whole.
Speaker 7: Yes, there's a way, right, but to do that with sand,
Speaker 7: and again I don't know the mineral composition of the area.
Speaker 6: I still think it's crazy.
Speaker 7: If you were to take a bucket of sand that's
Speaker 7: just supposed to be regular sand.
Speaker 6: You crucible that down, you get lead out of that?
Speaker 6: You know, that's crazy.
Speaker 7: My scientific brain would say there's probably trace deposits of
Speaker 7: lead in the area and it separates out from the
Speaker 7: silica whenever you you know, heat it up and stuff.
Speaker 7: But it depends if we're talking about they're just pulling
Speaker 7: out platinum or iron or you know, it depends. It
Speaker 7: depends on all of it. But I don't know, honestly,
Speaker 7: don't know what to make of that. As far as
Speaker 7: alchemy is concerned.
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, I'm you know, me.
Speaker 7: Me being my logical self. I see alchemy as what
Speaker 7: we would now call chemistry. There's absolutely spiritual aspects to it.
Speaker 7: I believe that most of the alchem alchemic alchemists excuse me,
Speaker 7: of the past, we're using that as kind of the
Speaker 7: placeholder for what they couldn't explain with their science of
Speaker 7: the time. Like Isaac Newton, for instance. I was just
Speaker 7: having this conversation with my uncle the other day. He's
Speaker 7: the principle of the Stem High School in Denim Springs, right,
Speaker 7: super analytical, super engineering style brain that this guy has.
Speaker 6: He's not very religious, not very spiritual or anything like this.
Speaker 7: And we were talking about Isaac Newton and how he
Speaker 7: was just like the super genius of his day and age, right,
Speaker 7: and he himself was using the emerald tablet to break
Speaker 7: down the hermetic principles and alchemical principles and all of
Speaker 7: these things. And I'm like, yes, he did, and he
Speaker 7: drank himself to death with mercury because he was so
Speaker 7: smart he didn't know that mercury's poisonous. So like, I
Speaker 7: think that a lot of the alchemists from back in
Speaker 7: the day were using the spiritual side of things to
Speaker 7: kind of make the math equate to a level that
Speaker 7: they didn't have the technology to explain at that time. Now,
Speaker 7: I'm not saying that to dismiss the spiritual significance of alchemy.
Speaker 6: That's just where my brain personally takes it, you know.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, So Chris, you sent a picture, So I
Speaker 2: sent a picture. I'm gonna pull it up on here.
Speaker 2: See if I can pull it up on my screen. Share.
Speaker 4: This is I got a couple of pictures here.
Speaker 2: This is from the Space Wolf Research Center right next
Speaker 2: to Skinwalker Ranch, whenever we went.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna pull up this picture.
Speaker 4: See if you can see it. Can you guys see that?
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, okay.
Speaker 4: So this was the little shack right next to the
Speaker 4: trailer we were sleeping in. And this picture was taken
Speaker 4: from Ryan's three sixty UFO camera while we slept. This
Speaker 4: is never seen before. This is like this beam of
Speaker 4: light came out of nowhere and was shining down on
Speaker 4: this shack and it only stayed there for about maybe
Speaker 4: ten frames and then it was gone. And let me
Speaker 4: see if I can pull up this other picture.
Speaker 2: And there's no lights. Yeah, good, there's no light source
Speaker 2: coming from the shack at all. Right, No, no, there's
Speaker 2: no lights around there.
Speaker 7: And is there something specifically in that shack that would
Speaker 7: be considered.
Speaker 4: It's called the blood Shack because there was sex and
Speaker 4: blood magic done by Satanists in that shack. What so
Speaker 4: that's one thing that maybe. So let's see if it.
Speaker 2: Makes sense why it's a red beam?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Am I still sharing my screen?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: How do I? I can't tearn this off for some reason.
Speaker 6: Well, while you're figuring that out, if anybody see the
Speaker 6: shacking question that we are talking about, rather than just
Speaker 6: hear about it, Jonathan, tell them where they.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so we love all the good cult members
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Speaker 2: Chris Matthew is showing us today.
Speaker 5: What is this picture?
Speaker 4: Chris?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 4: This was fa in that shack The very next morning
Speaker 4: after the light beam appeared, Ryan had it analyzed. It
Speaker 4: is some sort of strange meta material from off planet
Speaker 4: with very rare and exotic metals, some found in meteorites.
Speaker 4: So this was found in the shack somehow magically the
Speaker 4: next day after that light beam appeared there.
Speaker 2: So I'm trying to figure out what I'm looking at?
Speaker 2: Is that? Is that like a is it almost clear?
Speaker 5: It is?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 4: Kind of It's like a twisted metal like metallic silverish color,
Speaker 4: but it is. It's very interesting once you if you
Speaker 4: see it in your hand and hold it up close,
Speaker 4: it's got this kind of strange vibration to it. You
Speaker 4: can feel a little energy coming off it. It's pretty crazy, man.
Speaker 2: So it's more of a metal than it is like
Speaker 2: a Okay, holy shit.
Speaker 7: It looks kind of like a like a weirdly shaped
Speaker 7: silver nugget neat might find in like a mining type situation.
Speaker 7: But I don't think I've ever seen a nugget that
Speaker 7: looks like this. It's that is crazy.
Speaker 2: So you guys were able to find out what all
Speaker 2: this was made of?
Speaker 4: No, he he can't talk about everything. He's told me
Speaker 4: very little about it, but he has a stack of
Speaker 4: NDAs that contained things that he cannot talk about to anyone.
Speaker 2: So really, yeah, So but it's absolutely a metamateial.
Speaker 4: It's absolutely something anomalous that has some unidentified elements to it.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, like so my, I guess my question
Speaker 2: would be is, like why.
Speaker 4: I couldn't tell you if this is a byproduct of
Speaker 4: some kind of frequency energy that's going there. Maybe if
Speaker 4: something comes through a portal, if it secretes some sort
Speaker 4: of this material, if it's from a UFO itself, something
Speaker 4: that burns off, it's something that it leaves behind, I
Speaker 4: couldn't tell you. But supposedly people have found some material
Speaker 4: exactly like this inside of themselves, like implant materials and
Speaker 4: things like that.
Speaker 2: Oh, we've talked about that, Jacob. It's been a minute
Speaker 2: since we've talked about people finding weird things inside of
Speaker 2: their body after they were allegedly taken right and supposedly.
Speaker 4: Made up of the same stuff that was found in
Speaker 4: other people's like implants.
Speaker 2: Dude, And it makes no sense, like none of it
Speaker 2: makes any sense. Like, you know, you wake up one
Speaker 2: night you believe that you got it abducted, but then
Speaker 2: you wake up in your bed and so it could
Speaker 2: have just been a dream. But what is the dream world?
Speaker 2: We don't even know what the fuck dreams are I mean,
Speaker 2: some people like to say it's just you know, basically
Speaker 2: like a composition of all your thoughts combined, and that's
Speaker 2: probably a portion of it, I would definitely say, But dude,
Speaker 2: like just the fact that people are being taken in
Speaker 2: their dreams like that, and then they come back with
Speaker 2: things inside of them after they said that they had
Speaker 2: an experience of extraterrestrials or alien life form or something
Speaker 2: like that working on them. Like you hear about like
Speaker 2: the mantis stories, right, like how the mantis is are
Speaker 2: always like the surgeons and they'll take you up there
Speaker 2: if they if there's something wrong with you. And then
Speaker 2: you hear like Chris Bledsoe's story he got rid of
Speaker 2: what was the the bowel dysfunction, that he had, crones disease,
Speaker 2: cronees disease, met up with the aliens or whoever, and bang,
Speaker 2: Crone's disease is gone. Crows disease is incurable. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: should still have that, yeah, but it's not there. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, it is something's definitely going on. Now, Jacob,
Speaker 2: do you believe, just within your mind, do you think
Speaker 2: that so he had crones disease very well documented, he
Speaker 2: wasn't able to go to work. It was affecting him
Speaker 2: that much. It was tearing apart his family. He had
Speaker 2: to stay in the bathroom like twenty times a day. Dude,
Speaker 2: poor guy. But then he has this experience and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden it's gone. Do you think it's a
Speaker 2: place ebo effect? Do you think that it's just believing
Speaker 2: in the higher goodness of the extrad Like? What do
Speaker 2: you think that is in your mind?
Speaker 6: Bro? I know I can count right now five people
Speaker 6: that I know personally that have crones.
Speaker 7: There's no placebo effect that's gonna make that go away.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry that that's no fucking.
Speaker 6: Way you could believe with all your heart's, soul, mind
Speaker 6: and strength and you're still going to be shitting your
Speaker 6: brains out in about thirty minutes. That's just yeah mine.
Speaker 2: So I mean, where did that come from?
Speaker 4: What you guys are familiar with Chris Letzoe's entire story right, yes,
Speaker 4: what he believes that these intods are. He believes there's
Speaker 4: some sort of angelic beings. He doesn't really subscribe to
Speaker 4: the traditional you know, beings coming from space and narrative,
Speaker 4: but he now supposedly has the ability to heal others
Speaker 4: at times. Yeah, and he can call upon you know,
Speaker 4: the UFOs at will.
Speaker 5: Everywhere he goes. These people are falling.
Speaker 4: He's the most studied case by intelligence entities ever and
Speaker 4: they're still you know, in contact with him, studying the
Speaker 4: family things like that. But he believes that these are
Speaker 4: what he thinks are angelic beings that are here for
Speaker 4: a special purpose, and his family has been chosen as
Speaker 4: messengers for some reason. So pretty interesting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're supposed to have him on the show a
Speaker 6: while back, and then, you know, scheduling issues came up
Speaker 6: and we just kind of have not heard since.
Speaker 5: I don't know what he's to have to get to
Speaker 5: get a hole.
Speaker 4: I had him on once, like right after his book
Speaker 4: came out and been trying to get touch with them
Speaker 4: after a kid did. But yeah, once you get out there,
Speaker 4: it's kind of He's how it may be difficult to
Speaker 4: get to everybody.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, dude, he's a busy man. Like so many people
Speaker 2: are interested. What was his name from Twilight went out there?
Speaker 2: The dad from Twilight, Edward's dad went out to see
Speaker 2: the orders out there. I can't remember what his name
Speaker 2: is in the movie. I've seen those damn movies so
Speaker 2: many times because my daughter's addicted to them. But the
Speaker 2: blonde dad went out there right right, He went out
Speaker 2: there and was able to experience it himself. And so
Speaker 2: many people are and being invited to go out there
Speaker 2: and see it, and they're witnessing it. So it's not
Speaker 2: just like that family that's only seeing it. Everywhere these
Speaker 2: people go. They're seeing the phenomena. I don't know what
Speaker 2: you want to call it. They believe that it is
Speaker 2: of a loving higher intelligence. I mean, I'm sure that
Speaker 2: they have certain names that they like to go by
Speaker 2: or that they assigned to them, but you know, it's
Speaker 2: it's unexplainable, dude. And so that's did you hear about
Speaker 2: the prophecy that he was given? How it's twenty twenty six,
Speaker 2: I think twenty six. They're supposed to be the star alignment,
Speaker 2: and NASA actually looked it up and confirmed that this
Speaker 2: specific star alignment is going to be occurring in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six and on easterdy it'll be yeah, yeah, on
Speaker 2: Easter it'll be like this flooding of a new awakening
Speaker 2: energy or something that's going to change the planet forever.
Speaker 5: Who knows.
Speaker 4: I never get down with predictions, but it's interesting.
Speaker 6: Yes, supposedly you can get a new pope elected.
Speaker 7: His Easter as Pope will be some wild, extra level,
Speaker 7: extra paranormal shit.
Speaker 6: Look y'all, I'm not saying what I'm just saying you no.
Speaker 2: And what's really cool too is that he believes that
Speaker 2: it was an entity or a group of entities that
Speaker 2: identify themselves as Hathor, which is really really interesting because
Speaker 2: you start getting into who is Hathor and dude, that
Speaker 2: perfectly connects to the segment thing that I was talking about,
Speaker 2: because sec Met had to go through some shit and
Speaker 2: then she like evolved into Hathor. Sec Met was like
Speaker 2: the evil one.
Speaker 7: Chris Bledsoe says that there was like a woman that
Speaker 7: stepped out of the orb, right, was that Hathorn Hathor?
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, okay, okay. It's been a minute since I
Speaker 6: delved into.
Speaker 7: The the story arc of the Blacke's So family, But yeah,
Speaker 7: one of these days I hope we get him on
Speaker 7: the show.
Speaker 6: I would love to hear it straight from the horse's mouth,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was interesting about how Sean Ryan
Speaker 2: waited like four months to release that episode and the
Speaker 2: family was like, Yo, why aren't you releasing it? You know, like,
Speaker 2: and so Sean Ryan came under a lot of fire.
Speaker 2: A lot of people were saying that he was some
Speaker 2: kind of gatekeeper, which I mean, you can't necessarily, you
Speaker 2: can't dismiss it. I mean, if we're being honest, you
Speaker 2: can't dismiss it. He was former intelligence. He blows up
Speaker 2: out of nowhere.
Speaker 5: He has intelligence. Really, I don't think so everyone's like,
Speaker 5: Seawan Ryan's a fed.
Speaker 6: It's like, bro review his resume.
Speaker 7: No shit, right, nobody's questioning if a man worked for
Speaker 7: a three letter agency, he worked for all of them
Speaker 7: at one point in time.
Speaker 2: All shit, yeah, yeah yeah. So I mean, and that's
Speaker 2: not to take away from Sean Ryan. I still love
Speaker 2: his show. I think he has great guests and everything.
Speaker 2: But I mean, who's to say maybe maybe there are
Speaker 2: even gatekeepers ahead of him that thought maybe we should
Speaker 2: because I'm sorry, dude, Like I don't. I mean, he's
Speaker 2: releasing shows quite frequently, right, and a couple times a week.
Speaker 2: I believe it's like two three times a week something
Speaker 2: like that, and it is rare that you're going to
Speaker 2: get three four months ahead of schedule, Like that's like,
Speaker 2: that's that's like god level podcasting. If you're that, if
Speaker 2: you're that far ahead, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 2: that's why, as somebody who shoots podcasts quite frequently, I
Speaker 2: look at that and I'm like, maybe there is something
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think we're ever gonna really know
Speaker 2: the whole story. I'm happy that he released it though,
Speaker 2: so it's out there everybody can see it. And he
Speaker 2: actually threw a little jib at a little job at
Speaker 2: the people that were saying that it was being censored
Speaker 2: or whatever. He goes, this was not censored. It never
Speaker 2: was censored, so maybe he's right there was.
Speaker 6: There was some controversy around that too.
Speaker 7: And I mean, I don't know how many months out
Speaker 7: in advance, the dudes got some show shot, you know
Speaker 7: what I mean. But then aside from when current events
Speaker 7: happened that you need to release an episode on that day.
Speaker 6: Remember the cyber truck explosion, right.
Speaker 7: He had a guy who served with this dude come
Speaker 7: on the show like two days after the facts. Then
Speaker 7: like the rest of that week, he had other people
Speaker 7: that were like kind of auxiliary units that could speak
Speaker 7: on this matter. And that's the thing whenever you're at
Speaker 7: that level. It's like Rogan, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: He's got so many people in his rollo decks that
Speaker 7: he could call on that are just like celebrities or
Speaker 7: experts in this field or whatever else. If he wanted
Speaker 7: to just shoot for three days, there's boom, boom, boom,
Speaker 7: three episodes a day for three days straight and just
Speaker 7: get himself set up for the next month. Like he
Speaker 7: has the scheduling and the people that will show up
Speaker 7: to do that. Sean Ryan's kind of in that same field,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean. He doesn't have to like
Speaker 7: wait for a response back from a former CIA guy
Speaker 7: to come and speak or former Green Beret guys. No, no,
Speaker 7: they make time for him. He doesn't make time for them,
Speaker 7: you see what I'm saying. So like I get that,
Speaker 7: I do.
Speaker 2: And he's also had on like a lot of other
Speaker 2: great guests too, Like he had Diana Pasoka on after
Speaker 2: Have you ever had Diana Pasoca on your show?
Speaker 5: Have been trying.
Speaker 4: I gotta respont twice, but the scheduling never went through,
Speaker 4: So we'll keep that, you know, put that out there.
Speaker 4: I'd love to have her on.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well reason I bring that up is because
Speaker 2: she talks a lot about the meta materials as well.
Speaker 2: And you guys finding that piece, I mean, is that
Speaker 2: piece somewhere locked away where nobody can get their hands
Speaker 2: on it. No one is ever going to see that
Speaker 2: thing ever. Again, It's wow, It's actually amazing. You were
Speaker 2: even able to get a picture of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, he sent me the picture. I wasn't able
Speaker 4: to even see it myself. We left that morning and
Speaker 4: he sent me the picture.
Speaker 5: While we're on the road.
Speaker 2: He's like, look what I found in the cabin while
Speaker 2: you were guys sleeping, And it was crazy.
Speaker 6: All right. So you were out there filming for this
Speaker 6: documentary when that situation took place.
Speaker 7: Yes, okay, So now I want to ask you also
Speaker 7: with this documentary that you just released. The so Alice
Speaker 7: Huxley himself wrote this book about his experience on mescalin.
Speaker 7: You being somebody who was kind of tiptoed and delved
Speaker 7: into excuse me, these psychedelic real before while preparing and
Speaker 7: making this documentary, did you yourself indulge in mescalin specifically
Speaker 7: or was it more other stuff?
Speaker 4: It was mainly psilocybin. I've done mescalin before. It's been
Speaker 4: a very very long time, but it was. Yeah, it
Speaker 4: was mainly psilocybin. But again, the movie wasn't really supposed
Speaker 4: to be surrounded or focused on, or even that much
Speaker 4: inspired by Huxley's work.
Speaker 2: It was in part.
Speaker 4: Inspired, and I didn't really even bring him up during
Speaker 4: the film because I just wanted to kind of shift
Speaker 4: the perspective on a bigger picture of the not only
Speaker 4: the psychedelic realm, but how it's connected to everything, and
Speaker 4: I thought Doors of Perception would be a perfect title
Speaker 4: for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's perfect, dude. So you had mentioned that you
Speaker 2: had had on Adam Butler and he wrote a book,
Speaker 2: The Adam Butler's Team. He got, yes, yes, And I've
Speaker 2: had the cover. I've had a conversation with him before,
Speaker 2: and fascinating guy talking about all the things. Dude, he
Speaker 2: I believe still to this day, is doing DMT every single.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all the time, per psychonide.
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, you are that you're already living there,
Speaker 2: like you may as well just live there then, dude.
Speaker 5: That's crazy.
Speaker 4: I heard of a story of a guy who was
Speaker 4: like that, but he took it like way too far
Speaker 4: and he had some a little bit of damage done
Speaker 4: to his psyche because he kept going in day after date,
Speaker 4: but he would have these prolonged experiences where he'd only
Speaker 4: be out for a few minutes, but he'd be living
Speaker 4: lifetimes out in the realm, like whole lifetimes with having
Speaker 4: sex with entities and just being debauchrous in the DMT realms,
Speaker 4: like doing things you probably shouldn't be doing out there,
Speaker 4: and he just got caught.
Speaker 5: Up in it.
Speaker 4: And I believe he's like his pretty fried in like
Speaker 4: some kind of if not in a mensalik institution. He
Speaker 4: is not very high functional in society right now because
Speaker 4: he overdid that shit way too much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to do that, like, and that's
Speaker 2: the thing, Like I I space all of my psychedelic
Speaker 2: trips out, like I'm putting at like I haven't done it.
Speaker 2: I haven't done any psychedelics since October, right, and so
Speaker 2: that's fucking five months, six months, seven months, whatever it
Speaker 2: is by now. And because you want, like the goal
Speaker 2: is is you're trying to break it down and try
Speaker 2: and understand what you were experiencing in there. Now, I
Speaker 2: have I have, Like so I would do mushrooms one
Speaker 2: night and then I would wait, like a week and
Speaker 2: then do it again. And it always for me, at
Speaker 2: least for the for the psilocybin, I feel like I
Speaker 2: could never replicate wherever I was going. And maybe it
Speaker 2: was even lesser because I think that I feel like,
Speaker 2: if you do this, this is mushrooms specifically. I don't
Speaker 2: know about DMT. I'm sure DMT is gonna take you
Speaker 2: there every fucking time, but for mushrooms, for me specifically,
Speaker 2: I felt like I had to space them apart because
Speaker 2: every time I would do it, if they were, you know,
Speaker 2: in close proximity to each other, it wouldn't be as
Speaker 2: profound and it would just be oh, pretty lights and
Speaker 2: it would make me giggle a little bit, but there
Speaker 2: was no profound thing that was happening to me if
Speaker 2: I did them back to back like that. Have you
Speaker 2: ever felt like that? Well?
Speaker 7: I found Dutch homie that does the deprivation tank. Right,
Speaker 7: So this guy, he is a psychoanot to the n degree,
Speaker 7: but he might only do this once every month or two,
Speaker 7: but when he does, he'll take like seventeen grams of
Speaker 7: mushrooms and go into a a isolation deprivation tank and
Speaker 7: just have an entire fucking time god experience, and I'm
Speaker 7: just like big Homie.
Speaker 6: I don't want that level of smoke.
Speaker 2: No, my god, I'm good.
Speaker 5: No, Well for me.
Speaker 4: With the psilocybin, I would utilize it about once a month,
Speaker 4: maybe twice a month if I was feeling frisky, But
Speaker 4: every time it would be a completely different experience. But
Speaker 4: it wouldn't be lesser. It would never be lesser. It
Speaker 4: actually became more engrossed, more profound, more out of body experiences,
Speaker 4: more visuals, bigger and better every time when I would
Speaker 4: space it out like that, because I believe the neural
Speaker 4: pathways were being connected in a way that I could
Speaker 4: have bigger experiences, and with each of those experience, it
Speaker 4: would connect something new and I would be able to
Speaker 4: travel a little bit further, experience a little bit more,
Speaker 4: a little bit more profound. I remember the first time
Speaker 4: I had this really profound visual out of body besides
Speaker 4: the reptilian experience I told you about, But.
Speaker 5: This, I shit you not.
Speaker 4: This portal opened up in my room and I could
Speaker 4: see a version of myself that was from a different time,
Speaker 4: and I had a mustache and a lab coat and glasses,
Speaker 4: and I was looking through the portal at myself and
Speaker 4: the other version of myself said, by god, we've done it.
Speaker 4: We've achieved it, and the portal.
Speaker 5: Went joop and I was like, oh my we achieve God,
Speaker 5: what's going on. I started freaking out and I was like,
Speaker 5: what did we achieve that? It was crazy? Then it
Speaker 5: was like a Rick and Morty type thing.
Speaker 2: We did it, Mary, So that is wild.
Speaker 7: Imagine you another version of you, different timeline, if you will,
Speaker 7: who's at the pinnacle cutting edge technology on interdimensional travel.
Speaker 7: You're trying to find yourself and then you like chilling
Speaker 7: on your couch like eating Doritos or whatever.
Speaker 6: It's like, my god, we did it. It's like, what
Speaker 6: the fuck?
Speaker 5: That's what it was like.
Speaker 6: Dude, Dude, that is insane. Dude.
Speaker 2: What's what's crazy about?
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 2: Is?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, we all love Rick and Morty.
Speaker 2: Rick and Morty's the ship, But do you think that
Speaker 2: there is Chris, do you think that there is a
Speaker 2: base level reality? Is there such thing as a base
Speaker 2: level reality? Or are they all kind of equal?
Speaker 5: This is some black mirror stuff.
Speaker 4: And then this kind of conversation always in a sense
Speaker 4: makes me uneasy in a way because there's no way
Speaker 4: to tell if baseline reality is even a thing, if
Speaker 4: it's even possible, if we were ever there, if we
Speaker 4: are in some kind of container. Now we may just
Speaker 4: be in a hard drive in some advanced beings computer
Speaker 4: just running through our processes.
Speaker 5: Who knows.
Speaker 4: I mean, you look at the West World where they're
Speaker 4: doing the consciousness transfer to the fucking robots, and they
Speaker 4: just you know, think that they're living their normal lives,
Speaker 4: and shit.
Speaker 5: That could be us. I don't know.
Speaker 4: So it's such a deep, multi layered conversation. The more
Speaker 4: you start in get looking into it, the spookyer shit
Speaker 4: gets in, the bigger the topic gigs, and the less
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: And that's the crazy thing is that, all right, let's
Speaker 2: say that we are in some kind of video game
Speaker 2: or simulation or something like that. Why like, why is
Speaker 2: it that we have this tool that whenever we ingest
Speaker 2: it talking about any kind of psychedelic it allows us
Speaker 2: to see other shit, you know, like so so okay,
Speaker 2: perfect perfect, So so essentially we're eating literal mushrooms and
Speaker 2: being able to experience other things. Yeah, we have sup
Speaker 2: like things that you shouldn't have access to. It seemingly right,
Speaker 2: like it's you do but it seems like it's completely
Speaker 2: out of our wheelhouse, like it's something that it's really
Speaker 2: strange because sometimes whenever you go there, wherever it is
Speaker 2: that you go, it feels so familiar, doesn't it, Like
Speaker 2: if you've ever done a psychedelic and you're like.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it feels like it's more real than this reality,
Speaker 4: like it's home, Like, ah, just feel more comfortable here.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And as a matter of fact, last night, as I
Speaker 2: was going to sleep, I was trying to imagine, like,
Speaker 2: all right, if this is kind of like an offshoot
Speaker 2: of whatever the real thing is, whatever we really are,
Speaker 2: wherever we go when we die, whatever that is. If
Speaker 2: I was trying to imagine, like all right, imagine if
Speaker 2: you already knew that you cracked the code in this
Speaker 2: reality and that you remembered exactly where you were. And
Speaker 2: I always like to trade, like play these little brain
Speaker 2: tricks in my own mind, like all right, if I
Speaker 2: already knew, what would it feel like?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: And and I was, I mean I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're laying in bed, You're going into a trance state.
Speaker 2: Maybe you're experiencing what you want to experience. Maybe you're
Speaker 2: experiencing the actual experience. Who knows no way to really
Speaker 2: determine that. But I felt like I had like some
Speaker 2: friends on the other side that were like cheering me
Speaker 2: on in a sense that were like, dude, you're doing
Speaker 2: fucking awesome. I like, it's so fun to watch this game.
Speaker 2: But also could be my subconscious that's like hoping that
Speaker 2: that's a thing you know, so I don't. And that's
Speaker 2: the thing about psychedelics. There's no way to prove any
Speaker 2: of this stuff.
Speaker 4: There is none, but which side of Jenny Gohler it right.
Speaker 5: From what you just said.
Speaker 4: It reminds me of experiences I've had where I would
Speaker 4: be going deep into it, out of body experience, and
Speaker 4: then I'd come across these strange entities or like squids
Speaker 4: or bubbles floating, but they had consciousness and they'd recognize me,
Speaker 4: and they'd be like.
Speaker 5: Hey man, you're back, welcome back. We missed you. We're
Speaker 5: so glad to see you again. Come hang out more.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, who the hell you look like a
Speaker 4: squid or a fucking bubble or what the you know,
Speaker 4: little lights and colors and shit, But you recognize me
Speaker 4: and you want to hang out.
Speaker 5: And you miss me. That's it's just crazy.
Speaker 4: Like you know, some are like you said, cheering me on,
Speaker 4: saying you're doing to touch a good job, keep it up.
Speaker 4: So I don't know what that is, man, I don't
Speaker 4: know if it's just all the little pieces of our
Speaker 4: innerverse that you know, connect with us and speak with us,
Speaker 4: or if it's entities outside who knows.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing. It's like, whenever you're experiencing it,
Speaker 2: you know that it's real, like and that's it's convincing
Speaker 2: enough that you know that it absolutely is reality, Like
Speaker 2: you don't even question it until you're out of it,
Speaker 2: and then you know, some time passes and you're like
Speaker 2: that just been my mind? Could that have just been
Speaker 2: my subconscious? Is that just Mike? Is that what I
Speaker 2: want to happen? But there's no way of knowing. And
Speaker 2: but I think that it is interesting, you know, speaking
Speaker 2: on Danny Goehler here, he's done DMT so many times
Speaker 2: and he was he was able to prove that there
Speaker 2: is some kind of code written into this reality whenever
Speaker 2: you difract a laser off of a glass onto a wall,
Speaker 2: And I mean, what is now?
Speaker 4: Could it be like I'm gonna play Devil's advocate with this.
Speaker 4: Could it be that when they're doing this experiment, because
Speaker 4: he's already put it out there, that the person's going
Speaker 4: to see this, because they're expecting to see this, They're
Speaker 4: going to see this. It's something that is a kind
Speaker 4: of subconscious expectation because it's already been mentioned. It already
Speaker 4: been said, dude, this is crazy, and it makes such
Speaker 4: an impact that when you actually do the substance and
Speaker 4: check it out, you're just going to see the same
Speaker 4: thing because it's a built an expectation.
Speaker 2: I don't know that could be the case, but he
Speaker 2: has been shown it to all of his friends, and
Speaker 2: all of his friends are seeing the same exact thing,
Speaker 2: and they're describing it the same exact way. So much
Speaker 2: so that whenever I had Danny Goler on Meta Mysteries,
Speaker 2: we had our buddy Electro Nick come on the show,
Speaker 2: and he's a psychonaut in and of himself, and he
Speaker 2: smoked DMT on camera right on the podcast, shined the
Speaker 2: laser through the glass onto the wall and was able
Speaker 2: to describe back to Danny Gohler what he was seeing,
Speaker 2: and Danny was like, oh, yeah, yeah, are you seeing
Speaker 2: these shapes? And these shapes and like these kind of symbols.
Speaker 2: They seem to be like Japanese type symbols or Egyptian
Speaker 2: or Hebrew type symbols.
Speaker 7: And it's strange if it was something where like they've already,
Speaker 7: if somebody has seen Danny's work and knew what type
Speaker 7: of sigils or writings that they were expecting to see,
Speaker 7: I'm with you, it could absolutely be like a preconceived notion.
Speaker 7: But that being said, there are so many examples. Nick
Speaker 7: is a perfect example of this as matter of factor.
Speaker 7: Somebody who's never actually seen the writing, the language itself,
Speaker 7: but are able to write down on a piece of
Speaker 7: paper what they're seeing and it matches what Danny said
Speaker 7: before they ever saw it with their own eyes. This
Speaker 7: is where it's like, all right, and it's not a
Speaker 7: trip extra happening here for sure.
Speaker 2: And the way they describe it is they say, yes,
Speaker 2: you are tripping, but what you're seeing is something that
Speaker 2: has depth. It's something that is there and it's not moving.
Speaker 2: Whenever you blink your eyes or shift your attention or
Speaker 2: anything like that. It's like you move your attention, you
Speaker 2: move your eyes up, you move your eyes down, and
Speaker 2: you still see it right there. So that's not something
Speaker 2: that would necessarily happen on a regular psychedelic trip, because
Speaker 2: anybody who's ever seen the fractals, whenever they've taken psychedelics
Speaker 2: or any kind of any any kind of hue a color,
Speaker 2: it's always escaping, it's always changing, right, But the coding
Speaker 2: sticks for some reason.
Speaker 4: The only reason I asked that is first of all,
Speaker 4: because I've had such profound immersive experiences. My whole house
Speaker 4: turned into a dungeon one time. The you know, very
Speaker 4: clear things that seemed to be kind of tangible in
Speaker 4: front of me during that experience, and non changing, non swirling,
Speaker 4: just objects or an entire reality around me that is steadfast,
Speaker 4: that is here. That is one thing, but the other
Speaker 4: thing is in this. This is the only time I've
Speaker 4: ever experienced a group hallucination, if you will. And this
Speaker 4: I was like nineteen, and I was on LSD and
Speaker 4: me and a few of my friends were so stupid.
Speaker 4: We were driving to a concert in New Orleans and
Speaker 4: the guy driving was on a lot of LSD and.
Speaker 5: I was in the passenger seat.
Speaker 4: We're all out there driving and all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: at the same time, we all saw the same thing.
Speaker 4: We all compared notes after at the same time. We
Speaker 4: started screaming and yelling what we were seeing. The road
Speaker 4: started going shoop shoop, and we're like, no, we got
Speaker 4: to get out, so we pulled over. And as the
Speaker 4: dude was pulling over, his hands turned into big white
Speaker 4: mickey mouse hands with big white mickey mouse gloves, and
Speaker 4: we all saw it were like, you got maky mouse hands.
Speaker 4: Oh my, you got making mouse hands. And we pulled
Speaker 4: over and jumped out of the truck started running freaking
Speaker 4: out everywhere. Luckily, we had a friend that was sober
Speaker 4: that was following us, and he's like.
Speaker 6: Get in.
Speaker 4: You were not driving anymore. But it was so we
Speaker 4: all saw the exact same thing. Now, that was the
Speaker 4: only time I'd ever experienced anything like that, so I
Speaker 4: know it's possible, but it was crazy. Dude.
Speaker 2: My that reminds me my uncle told me a story
Speaker 2: one time whenever he took acid. I think it was
Speaker 2: an acid story, and that's I'm scared to try acid.
Speaker 2: To be honest, I'll probably never try it because you
Speaker 2: just trust. You just never know, and that's why mushrooms.
Speaker 2: You ain't gonna go wrong with mushrooms. Right, like that
Speaker 2: is probably one of the safer things that you can take.
Speaker 2: It's natural.
Speaker 6: They can lace mushrooms with fentanyl.
Speaker 7: But at that point, like, dude, y'all are doing so
Speaker 7: many extra steps for no fucking purpose.
Speaker 2: And for what like you're not it's anyway. But anyway,
Speaker 2: my uncle he was tripping on LSD one time. He
Speaker 2: told me about this story and he said he was
Speaker 2: at this party and he took this LSD and fucking
Speaker 2: Miss pac Man showed up and and it it just
Speaker 2: kept on going wanh wah wah wah wah wanh want
Speaker 2: and it was just kept on trying to come at him.
Speaker 2: And every time Miss pac Man would come towards him,
Speaker 2: and he would just punt the fucking thing like way
Speaker 2: down the road, and and then he would hear it
Speaker 2: coming back like.
Speaker 6: And he would punt the thing.
Speaker 5: And it was an all night.
Speaker 2: Thing and everybody was like, dude, what the fuck are
Speaker 2: you doing?
Speaker 5: And he's just kicking this.
Speaker 2: Pac Man down the road. And so it is strange
Speaker 2: how like these things are happening. I mean, I know
Speaker 2: that that's kind of a weird thing. But your Mickey
Speaker 2: Mouse sand thing, that's Steph party. See your boy tripping balls.
Speaker 2: What are you doing, fucking miss pac Man?
Speaker 6: Dude? Like, whatever you say, bro.
Speaker 4: Well, another similar story that someone told me Steven Snyder.
Speaker 4: He said that just opened his eyes basically everything is
Speaker 4: one of his first profound experiences. He was on magic
Speaker 4: mushrooms psilocybin, and it was actually towards the end of
Speaker 4: his trip, and the whole trip, nothing really profound happened.
Speaker 4: All he was seeing was like slight colors, a little
Speaker 4: bit of you know, some things here and there, but
Speaker 4: nothing really profound. But towards the end of the trip,
Speaker 4: like the last hour, him and his friends had to
Speaker 4: go for some reason to some kid's birthday party and
Speaker 4: pick something up, and they were like, do you want
Speaker 4: to come in and just chill out for a minute.
Speaker 4: He's like, oh, it's a kid's birthday party. Oh got
Speaker 4: him fucked up, all right. So he goes in there
Speaker 4: and he said they had a fog machine going and
Speaker 4: like it was really foggy, all the kids with.
Speaker 5: Their parents playing everywhere.
Speaker 4: Then all of a sudden he sees like seven foot
Speaker 4: tall gray aliens amongst the crowd, like studying the kids
Speaker 4: looking at him, doing these like weird experiments on him,
Speaker 4: putting their hands over their heads, and there was like
Speaker 4: a whole group of gray aliens within the midst just
Speaker 4: walking around the kids. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: they looked at him and they like started communicating like
Speaker 4: you're not supposed to see us? How can you see us?
Speaker 4: And they're getting all angry and upset with him, and
Speaker 4: they're like, you need to go, you can see us.
Speaker 4: You got to get out of here, and he like
Speaker 4: freaked him out and he left.
Speaker 6: But that's crazy.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, that's the guy we had on the
Speaker 7: show too, on him and his wife.
Speaker 2: Uh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, uh you're talking
Speaker 2: about oh shit, acid for squares.
Speaker 5: No, it's not the same guy.
Speaker 6: Oh okay, okay, Yeah. That's a wild story though.
Speaker 7: Could you imagine going, first of all, being that level
Speaker 7: fucked up and going to a kid's birthday party that
Speaker 7: in and of itself is just like you're asking for something, Yeah,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean. Then you get there and
Speaker 7: you see that type of shit like you need to leave.
Speaker 7: It's like you're right, you are correct, I am not
Speaker 7: supposed to be here, bro, which, my god.
Speaker 2: Which is extra interesting too. Whenever we start diving into
Speaker 2: dimensions and stuff like that. Me and Jacob kind of
Speaker 2: had a little back and forth as far as all right,
Speaker 2: if they're all are entities from another dimension, most people
Speaker 2: believe so now. It used to be kind of a
Speaker 2: fringe topic where some people believed other people didn't kind
Speaker 2: of thing. But I feel like a lot of people
Speaker 2: are really starting to come around that there's definitely something
Speaker 2: going on. Call it from another planet, call it from
Speaker 2: another dimension, another density, whatever like, call it from wherever.
Speaker 2: It is something outside of what we thought. And you know,
Speaker 2: whenever it comes to that, do you think that there
Speaker 2: would be entities that would First off, why do you
Speaker 2: think if they are, why do you think that they
Speaker 2: would have any interest in us at all? And how
Speaker 2: how would they even know that we're here if they're
Speaker 2: on a whole other dimension? Like, we can't observe the
Speaker 2: second or first dimension we like, I mean, we can
Speaker 2: observe it, but we can we can imagine what it
Speaker 2: would be like. But it's not like, you know, the
Speaker 2: example that Jacob made. He drew a little stick figure
Speaker 2: on a piece of paper that would be considered a
Speaker 2: second dimension or entity, right, And it's not like that
Speaker 2: thing's anime and come into life, so like, I don't
Speaker 2: know if we can observe second dimension, But how is
Speaker 2: it you know that other entities are seemingly coming from
Speaker 2: different dimensions and are able to observe us, And do
Speaker 2: you think that they would be of any help?
Speaker 5: And why this is? This is my consideration.
Speaker 4: It's a possibility amongst many, but it's something that I
Speaker 4: have to consider heavily.
Speaker 5: Is the possibility that what these entities.
Speaker 4: Are are somewhat of which you might consider matrix maintenance workers.
Speaker 5: They're here for us.
Speaker 4: They are supposed to work in the shadows, work in
Speaker 4: the background, either healing us, fixing things in the matrix,
Speaker 4: regular maintenance work, or communicating with us, guiding us. And
Speaker 4: each of them may have different jobs. I think all
Speaker 4: these entities have a specific role to play, but they
Speaker 4: are here for our evolution. I believe they have a
Speaker 4: hand in our evolution, whether they are have a hand
Speaker 4: in our creation, which they may be God's three D printers.
Speaker 4: You know, these entities may be actually the physical things
Speaker 4: working on us, or the etheric astral things that create
Speaker 4: us out of matter, but they're sanctioned by something higher.
Speaker 4: I think they're all sanctioned by a grand Creator to
Speaker 4: work with us and be here with us and be
Speaker 4: part of this reality. But we're not really supposed to
Speaker 4: notice them. And when they do, they're like, get the
Speaker 4: fuck out of here. You're not supposed to notice us.
Speaker 4: Or when we go into these D and T realms
Speaker 4: and like, what the hell are you doing here? You're
Speaker 4: not supposed to be here. Things like that, we're not
Speaker 4: supposed to know. But they're doing a certain job, and
Speaker 4: essentially they're helping us. I believe they have the negative
Speaker 4: ones as well that are working the opposite, trying to
Speaker 4: maybe help us grow by throwing us the bad things
Speaker 4: and seeing how we react to it. But that's kind
Speaker 4: of where I'm at. I think it's all part of
Speaker 4: our spiritual consciousness evolutions, paranormal soup of entities.
Speaker 2: It's all like working together for a And I'll say,
Speaker 2: you know, even and and I'm sure I'm gonna get
Speaker 2: a little bit of pushback on this, but even like
Speaker 2: the evil entities, demons, whatever you want to call them,
Speaker 2: it always seems like, okay, yeah, whatever is going on
Speaker 2: with them, Like if they're if they're torturing people or
Speaker 2: making people fear feel fear or anxiety or depression or
Speaker 2: thoughts of suicide or anything like that which you hear
Speaker 2: a lot. Is it possible that that these things are
Speaker 2: doing it for the for the higher good in a sense,
Speaker 2: because you always hear like a lot of people that
Speaker 2: have those experiences that then they shift their life into
Speaker 2: a more you know, a more spiritual, a more inconnection
Speaker 2: with God. Maybe they convert to a religion or something
Speaker 2: like that, and it makes it seem more real to them.
Speaker 2: You know, Jacob, We've talked about the story a million times,
Speaker 2: but Jacob was visited by a demon, and you know,
Speaker 2: you went through your your whole time and everything, but
Speaker 2: you now you are a really aous person, not solely
Speaker 2: because of your demonic and angel experience, but it absolutely
Speaker 2: plays into it right.
Speaker 6: In a degree. Sure.
Speaker 7: But I mean I was religious before that happened, and
Speaker 7: I was religious after that happened. And honestly, even whenever
Speaker 7: I lost my faith, the demon was still following me.
Speaker 7: So I guess, yeah, I can see where we're going
Speaker 7: with this, because even after I lost my faith, I
Speaker 7: was looking for something and I started diving into every
Speaker 7: religion I could get my hands on, because something has
Speaker 7: to explain this shit around us. Right to look at
Speaker 7: all of existence and say there was no creator. That's
Speaker 7: fucking retarded, Like I just out loud, mathematically that's stupid.
Speaker 6: So in a way, yeah, I could see what you're saying.
Speaker 4: I wonder if it is all the same thing that
Speaker 4: they appear as demons when we need to learn lessons
Speaker 4: or go through something, but they can transmute to angels
Speaker 4: once that lesson has been learned, once we heal ourselves
Speaker 4: in a certain way. And I've had these experiences where
Speaker 4: nasty things would present themselves and their representations of like
Speaker 4: childhood trauma or things that I ain't to work on
Speaker 4: within myself, but they appeal as an appear as a
Speaker 4: nasty demon. But if I like hug it and say
Speaker 4: it's gonna be okay, and like beam love at it
Speaker 4: and get through it and face it head on, it
Speaker 4: changes into something else. It changes like to this light
Speaker 4: being or this beautiful energy that wraps itself around me
Speaker 4: and then you know, engulfs me in this light and
Speaker 4: then that negative feeling associated with is just gone. It
Speaker 4: just you know, out of my life. And I think
Speaker 4: that may be what we're dealing with. These negative energies
Speaker 4: are just representations of things that we need to take
Speaker 4: care of in our lives.
Speaker 2: Well, and we live in a dualistic world too, Like
Speaker 2: we look at everything and we assign it good or evil.
Speaker 2: That's that's just how our minds were really brought up.
Speaker 2: Maybe that was because of Disney movies. I don't fucking know,
Speaker 2: But that's also subjective too in its own right.
Speaker 6: Correct. Oh yeah, Like, So to your point, Chris, I'm
Speaker 6: not saying that I disagree with with what you're saying
Speaker 6: as far as like a fourth dimension or a fifth
Speaker 6: dimensional entity coming to this realm being kind of like
Speaker 6: the maintenance workers in a sense. And okay, I could
Speaker 6: at least get down with this.
Speaker 7: And again I don't necessarily think those are angels and demons,
Speaker 7: possibly not negating that possibility, but not necessarily either.
Speaker 4: But I think those terms are really subjective to just fair.
Speaker 6: Fair. But okay, so the whole good versus evil? What
Speaker 6: is good? What is evil?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 7: We have a societal image that we have, you know,
Speaker 7: made in our own minds of what isn't all out
Speaker 7: good versus an all out evil.
Speaker 6: But let me throw out an example here.
Speaker 7: So we got a scientist out there, some sort of
Speaker 7: a lab guy doing DNA splicing on primates. Okay, the
Speaker 7: monkey in the cage as he's getting blood extracted from him,
Speaker 7: I don't know if he sees the scientists as necessarily
Speaker 7: good or necessarily evil. Maybe it's causing him pain. Maybe
Speaker 7: it's the guy that gives him bananas and he sees
Speaker 7: it as a benevolent force. Either way it goes. The
Speaker 7: scientist isn't trying to help the monkey. He's doing work
Speaker 7: and he needs something from the monkey. You see what
Speaker 7: I'm saying now, same conversation, that scientists might be doing
Speaker 7: some sort of a gene splice to fix monkey cancer
Speaker 7: or something like that, and that's why he needs this DNA.
Speaker 7: It's equally possible that he is developing a poison and
Speaker 7: he's using the monkey's DNA to test how lethal it
Speaker 7: really is. So it's like good, bad, evil, or benevolent.
Speaker 7: These are subjective titles, right. So when we have these
Speaker 7: interdimensional beings that are coming here, that's always been my thing,
Speaker 7: like why would they come here. I'm not of the
Speaker 7: belief that they are here to help humanity, but I'm
Speaker 7: also not the belief they're here to hurt humanity. I
Speaker 7: think they're like you said, workers doing a job, and
Speaker 7: maybe that sometimes reigns good. Sometimes maybe that reiins bad.
Speaker 7: But what is good or bad from our scope on
Speaker 7: their work?
Speaker 6: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: Don't the scientists explain gene splicing to the Champanzee? The
Speaker 7: champ has no brain power to even conceive the base level,
Speaker 7: let alone the level of work that the scientist is
Speaker 7: doing on him.
Speaker 6: You see what I mean.
Speaker 7: So it's like, how would this fourth their dimensional entity
Speaker 7: explain to us, Yeah, this is gonna help you or
Speaker 7: now this is gonna hurt you or bro, You're not
Speaker 7: You're just a part of the subject matter.
Speaker 6: Like this isn't for or against you, this is for
Speaker 6: my shit, Like I don't know. It's so open to interpretation,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 2: But don't you think that it's also possible that well
Speaker 2: not even also possible. It's of my belief that everything
Speaker 2: goes as it should, everything works as it should. It's
Speaker 2: almost like the perfect game of Tetris, Like there's never
Speaker 2: going to be a block that's misaligned. You're you're always
Speaker 2: gonna get the exact shape that you need to fall
Speaker 2: into the right spot. Like I feel like we don't
Speaker 2: see that from a materialistic, physical kind of human standpoint.
Speaker 2: But if you if you look at it as a whole,
Speaker 2: and and and if you look at all the dimensions
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff, I would have to
Speaker 2: believe that every single thing that happens in this life
Speaker 2: is somehow affecting other dimensions, right, I mean, that's that's
Speaker 2: and that's always the story. Whenever you hear about you know,
Speaker 2: aliens over military bases and possibly disarming Adam Baumb's and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. I've heard stories about that. And so
Speaker 2: do you think that whatever happens in this reality would
Speaker 2: send ripples throughout the other domensia to.
Speaker 4: A more extreme level that what we're experiencing now is
Speaker 4: also playing out in the astral realms as a very
Speaker 4: similar thing.
Speaker 5: We have an astral body. We're doing something.
Speaker 4: Similar as above, so below representation of the physical realm,
Speaker 4: but it's also being played out in the astral realms.
Speaker 4: And I think this goes to a world stage as well,
Speaker 4: with politics and all the nonsense that's occurring. Those entities,
Speaker 4: those beings, those people are also in those astral realms
Speaker 4: playing their roles, doing something that has an effect in
Speaker 4: the material and vice versa. So I think what's everything
Speaker 4: we're experiencing now is also unfolding in a different realm,
Speaker 4: just in a different way, you know, a more inn
Speaker 4: jetic representation that can even affect the material things, and
Speaker 4: we can tap into either or a belief.
Speaker 6: I think it's.
Speaker 7: Possible for sure that what we do in this dimension
Speaker 7: will ripple effect out to the fourth and the fifth
Speaker 7: and whatever else, and equally what they do in the
Speaker 7: fifth will ripple down to this one in a very
Speaker 7: similar way.
Speaker 6: It's possible.
Speaker 7: But I'm also not negating, because that's the thing I
Speaker 7: try to not have main character syndrome. And I don't
Speaker 7: mean that on a personal level, but like humans can
Speaker 7: only think about human problems because that is the extent
Speaker 7: of our knowledge base, right, But that's to think that
Speaker 7: we are the main characters of this narrative, and it's
Speaker 7: very possible that we are a flea on a dog's
Speaker 7: ass and the grand scheme of shit like in the
Speaker 7: real things, Like we have the audacity to think that
Speaker 7: mother Earth is mad at us for making plastic bags. Dude,
Speaker 7: mother Earth has been through so many fucking ice ages
Speaker 7: and comet impacts and all this shit.
Speaker 6: It will destroy us, Like.
Speaker 7: The fleas that we are when the time comes right,
Speaker 7: We're not killing the earth. She's fine, now that's being said.
Speaker 7: The thing's happening on the fifth dimension for us to
Speaker 7: think that what we do directly affects them, and like
Speaker 7: in a big way. Possibly, very possibly. I don't necessarily
Speaker 7: believe that, though, But I also think that that goes
Speaker 7: two ways, right, the same way whenever you drop a
Speaker 7: pebble in water, right, there is a ripple that creates
Speaker 7: out of that. But again, we're only talking about something
Speaker 7: in the precipice of a three D reality. I have
Speaker 7: no idea if dropping that pebble in the water resonates
Speaker 7: into the fourth dimension or to the ninth or whatever.
Speaker 6: Well, it's possible though, for sure.
Speaker 2: And here's how it all comes full circle. And I
Speaker 2: love that you brought up it's possible that we're a
Speaker 2: flea on some kind of cosmic entity or whatever, right,
Speaker 2: And that reminded me.
Speaker 6: Of thing where we were all inside of that marble
Speaker 6: that the Aliens were playing with at the end of it.
Speaker 6: They didn't even realize what was inside of their glass marble.
Speaker 5: Could be could be sure, But let's say that it
Speaker 5: is we are a flea.
Speaker 2: Let's say that. Well, there was actually a quote in
Speaker 2: the new Lion King movie about scar Have you seen
Speaker 2: that movie yet?
Speaker 6: I've seen portions of it.
Speaker 2: Super good. I really loved it. But Rafiki the y
Speaker 2: sage himself says, a flea can trouble a lion more
Speaker 2: than a lion can trouble a flea. Oh yeah, right,
Speaker 2: So it just gets it goes to show that everything
Speaker 2: has its place everything, you know, everything always works congruently together,
Speaker 2: everything is like and so that's that's what I think.
Speaker 2: I think that it's all really happening at the same
Speaker 2: time one more time and take us to the dark side.
Speaker 2: Because there's always this possibility. I don't jive with it.
Speaker 4: I don't really align with it at all, although I've
Speaker 4: considered it and it's caused me some stress in the past.
Speaker 4: But the possibility that we're just cattle, we are just
Speaker 4: food for entities, and we have been developed and farmed
Speaker 4: so that we could be just that. And the more
Speaker 4: intellectual and smart we are, the more tasty we are
Speaker 4: as food, and the more fear we give out, the
Speaker 4: more powerful beings we are, the more like energy we get,
Speaker 4: the more tasty like a Filet Mignon. We are to
Speaker 4: these arconic entities, and that could be. That could be
Speaker 4: it will just be recycled to be eaten up again
Speaker 4: through that cycle.
Speaker 5: I don't jive with it, but it is a possibility.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I mean that gets into the whole global literacy higher
Speaker 7: now than there was a thousand years ago, for instance, right,
Speaker 7: and how modern medicine.
Speaker 6: And I don't mean just like big farm.
Speaker 7: I mean like us knowing that, like when we get
Speaker 7: a fever, it's not because God's mad at us. It's
Speaker 7: probably because we ate something we shouldn't have. You see
Speaker 7: what I'm saying. So like I could see a realm
Speaker 7: where we are being farmed alien ant farm a bit,
Speaker 7: but yes, to that realm to where it's not necessarily
Speaker 7: our meat that they're after, but it's our brain power.
Speaker 6: It's our uh, what's what's the worst?
Speaker 2: Are loosh?
Speaker 6: There you go? Or whatever the case is.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And that only works if people are more aware
Speaker 7: and more intelligent to understand how volatile everything is. Right
Speaker 7: that old adage ignorance is bliss. So you notice the
Speaker 7: dummies of the world just kind of and I don't
Speaker 7: mean just every person. I mean people who like go
Speaker 7: out of their way to stay dumb and stay ignorant
Speaker 7: because like they just don't.
Speaker 6: Want to hear about it. They don't want to learn
Speaker 6: about nonhe theyn't.
Speaker 2: Hey, we all lived in Louisiana. We know I'm people.
Speaker 7: But like the NPCs of the world, do you realize
Speaker 7: nothing really fucks with them? Like they never have some
Speaker 7: sort of extra body experience, They never have entities from
Speaker 7: another dimension or from spirituality, come fuck with them.
Speaker 6: They also never have a lot of stress or anxiety
Speaker 6: in their life either. I wonder, do you see what
Speaker 6: I mean? That ignorance is blissing kind of goes both ways.
Speaker 2: Also, I will say this because I've run into a
Speaker 2: fair amount of NPCs. I claim myself. I believe that
Speaker 2: I used to be an NPC until I woke up,
Speaker 2: and I think that, you know, there used to be
Speaker 2: certain things that would agitate me and I would get
Speaker 2: all upset about and stuff like that. But now that
Speaker 2: I feel like I have evolved from my NPC form,
Speaker 2: I can see things a little bit bigger picture and
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily totally compartmentalized to where the tiniest little
Speaker 2: things are not going to you know, upset me by
Speaker 2: any means. But anyway, look, I Chris, I did want
Speaker 2: to get back to your documentary here. Could you tell
Speaker 2: us a story or two about, you know, some of
Speaker 2: the some of the testimonies that you've heard that that
Speaker 2: led you to create this documentary called The Doors a Perception.
Speaker 4: Oh well, I had you know a couple of people
Speaker 4: who have had abduction experiences. I had Vicki Joy Anderson.
Speaker 4: She writes about sleep paralysis. She talked about the possibilities
Speaker 4: that when we're experiencing sleep paralysis, that we are experiencing
Speaker 4: entity contact. She's taken a few steps further in her research.
Speaker 4: She's been interviewing and writing about sleep paralysis for a
Speaker 4: long time, talking to people who've experienced it a wide range.
Speaker 4: Interestingly enough, she believes that the phenomena is also shifting
Speaker 4: as consciousness shifts, as our technology grows. She said, many
Speaker 4: of these sleep paralysis encounters are they used to be
Speaker 4: more of the shadow people, the hat man, the succubis,
Speaker 4: these demonic entities that would show up and you'd be paralyzed.
Speaker 4: Now she's saying that it is turning into more plasma beings, cyborgs,
Speaker 4: technological entities, things like that. That are approaching people during
Speaker 4: these sleep paralysis states. They're also more highly sexually charged encounters.
Speaker 4: She claims, of the homosexual type of variety during these encounters,
Speaker 4: which very very strange. So we didn't get really into
Speaker 4: that in the movie. She kind of just basically gave
Speaker 4: her sleep paralysis story.
Speaker 5: And what she believes is really going on.
Speaker 4: She believes, in her perspectives, it's demonic forces. She believes
Speaker 4: the whole extraterrestrial phenomena is partially the same thing that
Speaker 4: we are being taken in our dreams and experimented on.
Speaker 4: There's a hybridization program actually that stems from it that
Speaker 4: whatever these entities are using our DNA to blend with
Speaker 4: the human race in certain ways, and she believes certain
Speaker 4: people are being born now somewhat possessed in a way.
Speaker 4: So she goes very deep into her research. We didn't
Speaker 4: go that deep into part one. She'll probably be returning
Speaker 4: in part two and we'll get a little deeper into
Speaker 4: that stuff. But yeah, we did sleep paralysis. I had
Speaker 4: my own sleep paralysis experiences that I discussed in the film,
Speaker 4: and yeah, she did a great job. But also we
Speaker 4: had do you have you guys talked to Karen Wilkinson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Evil Harvest.
Speaker 4: Yes, she told her story about and and you know
Speaker 4: her thoughts on the extraterrestrial phenomena. But I also weaved
Speaker 4: in people's very positive experiences with extraterrestrials and spirits. And
Speaker 4: I also had Trey Hudson on to give his theories
Speaker 4: on the ultraterrestrial possibilities. How these you know, beings may
Speaker 4: reside in different dimensions and like we're saying, could be
Speaker 4: one great and intelligence presenting itself as something else as
Speaker 4: we can perceive it. And let's see. We had our
Speaker 4: friend Brandon Thomas on talk a little bit also about
Speaker 4: UFOs and the abduction, and a little bit about psychedelics.
Speaker 4: Had Lindsay Sharman she talks about talked a little bit
Speaker 4: about the afterlife and near death experiences. We had the
Speaker 4: late great Jim Willis, which the film was dedicated to.
Speaker 5: He talked about.
Speaker 4: Near death experiences and the afterlife, and he said something
Speaker 4: very interesting that some hospitals are starting to do. They're
Speaker 4: starting to put signs on the ceiling that say go
Speaker 4: back the other way, because when people leave their body,
Speaker 4: they can see the sign and if they see it,
Speaker 4: he believes it might help deter them from wanting to
Speaker 4: leave the body and remind them that they are they
Speaker 4: need to go back. And there are some studies that
Speaker 4: claim that this is actually working for people who are
Speaker 4: having these near death experiences. They're seeing the sign, they
Speaker 4: claim to see it, and they go back into their
Speaker 4: body and they're able to to kind of come back easier,
Speaker 4: which is pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is crazy that like, and and I've seen
Speaker 2: stuff like that about how you know, uh, like you'll
Speaker 2: hear Neil Neil de grass Tyson say this ship, which
Speaker 2: is I have such a huge bone to pick with him.
Speaker 2: I just really don't like the guy. But he says
Speaker 2: that he doesn't believe in any of this shit. If
Speaker 2: people are having out of body experiences in hospitals, then uh,
Speaker 2: then they should be able to prove it a little
Speaker 2: bit more than what they're able to although and that's
Speaker 2: the thing. They are able to approve a lot of this.
Speaker 2: You'll hear people having these out of body experiences on
Speaker 2: hospital beds. Maybe they're, you know, at death's door. They
Speaker 2: could go one way or another, and uh, they'll they'll
Speaker 2: peer in on conversations that are going on in other
Speaker 2: in other rooms, like in the hallway, they're able to
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you were talking about the smell of the
Speaker 2: flowers and you were really sad that I couldn't be
Speaker 2: here to smell them or something like that, Right, And
Speaker 2: you know, the people wake up and they tell these
Speaker 2: stories and the people are absolutely mind blown. Like so
Speaker 2: there's definitely something going on there, these out of body experiences.
Speaker 6: I love.
Speaker 2: I love that that's a thing. And to me, you know,
Speaker 2: I kind of been on this this kind of spiritual
Speaker 2: journey and just trying to figure out what's true and
Speaker 2: what's not, Like, what's possible and what's impossible. That's what
Speaker 2: I want to know. Like, I'm not so much. I
Speaker 2: don't I don't care about the certain restrictions that people say,
Speaker 2: don't do, don't listen to whatever. I mean, sure, i'll
Speaker 2: heed guidance. I don't plan on doing blood magic anytime soon.
Speaker 2: But but I do think that the mechanism of how
Speaker 2: it is working and how they're proving that it does
Speaker 2: work in any kind of you know, spiritual background overlay, whatever,
Speaker 2: how they're able to prove a lot of this stuff
Speaker 2: is very significant. I mean so much so, dude, I
Speaker 2: did a money spell and the next day, I made
Speaker 2: the most money I've ever made in my life, Like, like,
Speaker 2: is that coincidence?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: Like, and so I don't know, I've actually we have
Speaker 2: a we have a couple of buddies, Lord Byron, Jester
Speaker 2: and l the Alchemist. Lord Byron's the fucking man. I
Speaker 2: love that guy. But he believes that it's our divine
Speaker 2: right to uh to hone in on our magic abilities
Speaker 2: and so and I know that some people look at
Speaker 2: it and they say, well, it's absolutely not real, or
Speaker 2: they say that you're just playing in the dark and
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be playing with that totally understandable. But just
Speaker 2: the fact that these things are happening and it's not
Speaker 2: just make believe. That's that's what trips me out the most,
Speaker 2: because you know, you you grow up and you want
Speaker 2: to believe in this kind of stuff, and then you
Speaker 2: see it in movies and Harry Potter and Matilda and
Speaker 2: shit like that, and maybe it doesn't happen like that,
Speaker 2: and so you you get a little sad that you
Speaker 2: can't move a plate off of your counter with you know,
Speaker 2: your telekinesis or whatever. But yeah, dude, I think that.
Speaker 2: But the world is opening up to all these kind
Speaker 2: of possibilities, right, and it's it is awesome that that
Speaker 2: it's not so looked down upon anymore.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure that we utilize what's considered magic all
Speaker 4: the time in our lives. And I think the line
Speaker 4: that I would draw where something that I wouldn't mess
Speaker 4: with as opposed to something I use on a daily
Speaker 4: basis is utilizing outside intelligences or entities to work with,
Speaker 4: like working with spirits. I don't really subscribe to that.
Speaker 4: I think that there could be danger in that. The
Speaker 4: kind of magic that I would do would be more
Speaker 4: intention kind of energy based manifestation based on my own
Speaker 4: energy and what I believe I can put out there.
Speaker 4: And I use my connection with Christ and God, and
Speaker 4: I pray for things and I ask God. And that's
Speaker 4: the only outside type of entity that I'm going with,
Speaker 4: because in my perspective, we're all fractals of God. It's
Speaker 4: all where all Him, He's us. And that's cool. We
Speaker 4: can go straight to that source for that divine magic
Speaker 4: and power and inspiration and manifestation. But once we start
Speaker 4: asking for you know, Lucifer's help or Beelzebub or any
Speaker 4: type of spiritual entity that can do magic and get
Speaker 4: us money and power whatever else. That's when the problems
Speaker 4: come in. But I don't know, I could be wrong.
Speaker 2: What do you think that causes, like like bad karma
Speaker 2: or something like that.
Speaker 4: You owe them something. I think it's a give and
Speaker 4: take relationship. I think once you reach out to something
Speaker 4: out there, they automatically will be expecting something from you,
Speaker 4: And there's often deception involved.
Speaker 5: There's often things.
Speaker 4: That you know you may not get what you're really
Speaker 4: asking for, and you may be on the hook for
Speaker 4: a lot more than you thought. So you never really
Speaker 4: know what you're kind of dealing with when you're reaching
Speaker 4: out to these spirits, especially if they're not what you
Speaker 4: think they are.
Speaker 2: But isn't that what the offerings are for?
Speaker 6: The offerings are more of go ahead, Chris, I want to.
Speaker 5: Well, I don't.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've never really messed with offerings or communion
Speaker 4: with spirits or anything like that, not willingly or knowingly.
Speaker 4: But as far as I'm concerned, they do have the
Speaker 4: benevolent like forest spirits and elves or whatever, that you
Speaker 4: can offer them food and maybe they'll take care of
Speaker 4: your property for you. Things like kind of like simple
Speaker 4: give and take I'm sure there's maybe some danger there.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I'm talking more along the lines
Speaker 4: of magical practices. Trying to achieve something in your life,
Speaker 4: to better your life or gain power or something like that,
Speaker 4: usually have to reach out to something else to give
Speaker 4: you a little assistance with that. And I think that
Speaker 4: most times you probably owe that thing more than you know.
Speaker 7: I'm I'm of the same belief, honestly, and the offerings
Speaker 7: to me are more like you're signing on the dotted line. Okay,
Speaker 7: that's more or less you putting yourself on the hook.
Speaker 7: And while you think you may have read all the
Speaker 7: fine print, I don't think that many people actually do.
Speaker 2: So you think that's like the down payment the other.
Speaker 6: Thing too, even with like intention based stuff.
Speaker 7: And I don't know what you mean exactly by that, Chris,
Speaker 7: but I've heard a lot of people say, like when
Speaker 7: they go into the meditative realm, for instance, they put
Speaker 7: out the intention and they'll say nothing negative can affect
Speaker 7: me right now, because I'm not gonna allow it.
Speaker 6: Only good can be let in. Blah bah bah bap.
Speaker 6: And to me that kind of sounds silly. That's like
Speaker 6: putting a no gun sign on the outside of a
Speaker 6: store and then like, what do you mean people still
Speaker 6: have guns when they come in there, there's a sign
Speaker 6: the owner put it up. You can't do that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, except reality doesn't give a fuck, you know what
Speaker 7: I mean. That's it's kind of that same vibe. Like
Speaker 7: you can put out all the positive vibes you want,
Speaker 7: if a negatividity wants your ass, there's nothing you could
Speaker 7: do to stop that, no matter how much of a
Speaker 7: wall or a barrier you think you put up.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the same thing as like putting on like
Speaker 2: the arm of armor of God.
Speaker 5: That's yeah.
Speaker 4: I think it has more to do with what your
Speaker 4: what you are really made of, what your pure intentions are,
Speaker 4: what you're inside, what you're putting out there, as far
Speaker 4: as your own source energy, how powerful that is, that
Speaker 4: will either deter things. That's where they don't even want
Speaker 4: to come near you because that's some powerful shit. Fuck
Speaker 4: that you're too powerful. There's too much light coming off you.
Speaker 6: It's hurting me.
Speaker 4: I don't want to mess with you. Rather than you
Speaker 4: don't have that much you know, God energy or spirit
Speaker 4: or good positive energy. But yet you say I'm gonna
Speaker 4: call protection on myself but yet you're a piece of shit.
Speaker 4: It probably won't work that way, you know, the you
Speaker 4: won't be able to manifest that kind of protection if
Speaker 4: you're vibrating, low scumbag.
Speaker 5: So that's the way I kind of look at it.
Speaker 6: Well, and you probably won't even be able to that quote.
Speaker 7: It's not meant to be a protection against the outside
Speaker 7: that's supposed to tell you that you should.
Speaker 6: Every day be gearing up for war.
Speaker 7: I don't know why so many Christians get involved with
Speaker 7: that faith and think that they're not entering a war zone.
Speaker 7: God told you to sell your cloak and buy a sword,
Speaker 7: and God told you to put on your armor every day.
Speaker 7: Yet somehow people think it's a hippie dippy religion and
Speaker 7: it's not gonna be anything bad, Like, nah, dude, you
Speaker 7: should be fully aware that you're stepping into a war
Speaker 7: zone and strap up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess where I get taken back to
Speaker 2: is whenever Tesla said that all there is is energy,
Speaker 2: frequency and vibration. And so if you make the if
Speaker 2: you say all right, you know you're getting ready to
Speaker 2: go into a meditation psychnolic trip, you're doing some kind
Speaker 2: of magical shit whatever, and you say something like all right,
Speaker 2: only good and you know, love and light or whatever,
Speaker 2: and the words are something like I think that there,
Speaker 2: you know, there's obviously going to be a vibration to words.
Speaker 2: It's literally we pump it out of our lungs, which
Speaker 2: are organs, and you know organs are you know, a
Speaker 2: musical instrument, instruments and all that. But like, I think
Speaker 2: that it's you have to encompass the words that you're speaking.
Speaker 2: And so if you're somebody that says only love and
Speaker 2: only light, not to get super woo woo. I'm just
Speaker 2: first thing on my mind. If you were just to
Speaker 2: say that, right, I think that you would have to
Speaker 2: feel that you would have to encompass that and and
Speaker 2: that energy and that frequency or that vibration that you're
Speaker 2: setting off. You're encompassing that, and so maybe then it's
Speaker 2: impossible for the lower level entities, the demonic kind of entities,
Speaker 2: to even have a chance against you, because first off,
Speaker 2: let's let's just be real here, the demons are trying
Speaker 2: to fuck with us. I mean, I've never had a
Speaker 2: demon fuck with me, but the demons are trying to
Speaker 2: fuck with us humans, right, and they do that from
Speaker 2: a non physical body. They're trying to manipulate your physical
Speaker 2: reality without having a physical body already there, we have
Speaker 2: an advantage already, like they're trying to fuck with us.
Speaker 2: We don't care about them, you know, outside of the
Speaker 2: people that are practicing.
Speaker 7: Magic, just having a physical experience, right Like, this body
Speaker 7: isn't me. This is just a flesh shoot I happen
Speaker 7: to be wearing. So do we really have the advantage
Speaker 7: or do we have a disadvantage because we're attached to
Speaker 7: a physical body that can die.
Speaker 2: They don't we have something that they that they don't
Speaker 2: clearly like there's something that they.
Speaker 6: Want for a disadvantage though, that's I would.
Speaker 2: Say that it's an advantage because we have it. We
Speaker 2: have of whatever it is that they want so much,
Speaker 2: and maybe that is our divine connectedness to whatever kind
Speaker 2: of spiritual loose that they're trying to take. That's I mean,
Speaker 2: that's my standpoint. I'm not trying to say that that's
Speaker 2: even a fully worked out kind of equation. In my mind,
Speaker 2: I'm just Devil's advocate playing.
Speaker 6: Here right now. I feel that I don't know.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's not to say that, you know, just
Speaker 7: meditations are specifically good or bad, and you know that
Speaker 7: can go both ways, I'm sure, but I kind of
Speaker 7: see that the same way as like when you go hunting, right,
Speaker 7: you're stepping into the woods. You're trying to become so
Speaker 7: just emblended in with everything to where the animals don't
Speaker 7: see you as anything separate than them. Dude, that's their backyard.
Speaker 7: They know what's normal here. They know the rules of
Speaker 7: the woods. When we step into the spiritual realm, we're
Speaker 7: trying to act like we are amongst it, and it's like, no, no, no, dude,
Speaker 7: you're a human. You're stepping into the spiritual entities backyard.
Speaker 7: They know the rules here. They know what can and
Speaker 7: can't happen. We think we know what we can or
Speaker 7: can't get away with. Same in the woods. Think putting
Speaker 7: dough urine on ourselves will make a deer come out?
Speaker 7: You know, the deer, I promise you, has a way
Speaker 7: better sniffer than what the synthetic dough piss is going
Speaker 7: to allow for you. See what I'm saying, it's there's
Speaker 7: there's reality and there's intention. And I don't think the
Speaker 7: two necessarily go against each other. I think it's very
Speaker 7: case by case, but.
Speaker 2: Speaking on the hunter, but I mean just speaking on
Speaker 2: the hunter here. For example, you would say that the
Speaker 2: hunters at a disadvantage, I would actually say that's probably wrong.
Speaker 2: And the reason I say that is is that a
Speaker 2: deer is not climbing up into a fucking deer.
Speaker 6: Stand.
Speaker 2: A deer does not have a rifle. A deer is
Speaker 2: not going to kill you, unless it's some massive buck
Speaker 2: or something like that. A deer is not going to
Speaker 2: go hunting you like, and so you have the advantage
Speaker 2: of knowing where to go to find these deer. You
Speaker 2: have the advantage of having a weapon to be able
Speaker 2: to take them out at a distance from afar. So
Speaker 2: you can look at that both ways.
Speaker 7: Really, I guess it's in that context of like a
Speaker 7: man versus animal. In that case, yeah, we're talking about
Speaker 7: like a prey animal is a predator human. But the
Speaker 7: deer also has all the advantages of being able to
Speaker 7: smell and see, like, huh, that's not normal.
Speaker 6: I'm not going down that trail today, I'm going this way,
Speaker 6: and like, you know what I mean, there's and that
Speaker 6: was probably a very contrived example, just it was a
Speaker 6: thrown out one, but you know, and again I'm not
Speaker 6: saying that every time somebody steps into the spiritual realm,
Speaker 6: something negative is bound to happen to them or something's
Speaker 6: going to attach to them that's gonna be horrible. Like, no,
Speaker 6: that's that's also preposterous to say.
Speaker 7: But I feel like a lot of people that delve
Speaker 7: into this realm do so with a knowledge base. And
Speaker 7: I'm not negating that at all, but it's like you
Speaker 7: only learned addition and subtraction. Meanwhile division to multiplications coming
Speaker 7: after that. Ass So you would have to know all
Speaker 7: of these things to be able to speak with intelligence
Speaker 7: or do things with a certain level of surety on
Speaker 7: the other side of things, And that's not our natural realm,
Speaker 7: although I guess that would be considered our spirits natural realm,
Speaker 7: but not our bodies.
Speaker 6: And that you see what I'm saying. It's very convoluted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It definitely is. It's like, you know, uh,
Speaker 2: I feel like I would do pretty well if you
Speaker 2: put me back in like fifth grade, right, but I'm
Speaker 2: not going to know all the shit that those kids
Speaker 2: learned in the class in the day before. You know,
Speaker 2: if I get a pop quiz than a fifth grader,
Speaker 2: So don't adapt that belief and these kids have that
Speaker 2: ass that well, that's kind of my point is that
Speaker 2: maybe it's maybe it's only harder for you since it's
Speaker 2: been so much time since you've been there. Sure kind
Speaker 2: of thing.
Speaker 4: I do get the sense whenever you're there, it is
Speaker 4: a remembering process. There's many times where like, oh, I've
Speaker 4: done this before, and it just comes back to me,
Speaker 4: and it does become easier to kind of navigate those waters,
Speaker 4: if you will, once you have more experience out there.
Speaker 5: And I was.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't consider myself an expert in any way. In fact,
Speaker 4: I got about an ounce of mushrooms sitting in my drawer.
Speaker 5: I had.
Speaker 4: The last time I had done them was for that
Speaker 4: last May fourth experience that I discussed before. But I
Speaker 4: am saving these for when I'm truly called back. I'm
Speaker 4: sure there'll be one day, you know, in the near future,
Speaker 4: especially because this next film is going to be mainly
Speaker 4: focused on psychedelics. I'm sure I'll be called back in
Speaker 4: for a little discussion there. But I you know, I
Speaker 4: think that there is definitely a danger and a level
Speaker 4: of respect that needs to be taken with you whenever
Speaker 4: you are entering these things, and it definitely shouldn't be
Speaker 4: used as a party drug. It definitely shouldn't be a
Speaker 4: recreational thing that people are doing on the weekends to
Speaker 4: act stupid. I think there's a lot of not really
Speaker 4: obvious things that can happen to people. Subtle problems that
Speaker 4: psychological problems that can occur, spiritual attachments, things like that
Speaker 4: that maybe it's not maybe it's not that big of
Speaker 4: a deal, but it will have some sort of effect
Speaker 4: in that person's life if they're not aware of those.
Speaker 7: So got me off of alcohol, like one hundred percent,
Speaker 7: that's what. Like, I was bad off drinking for years
Speaker 7: and years and years. Microdosing on a daily or every
Speaker 7: other day type of thing made it to where I
Speaker 7: no longer wanted to pick up the first drink, and like,
Speaker 7: because it kills that vibe. And it wasn't I wasn't
Speaker 7: tripping balls every single day or anything like that. It
Speaker 7: was a very very low dose load dose.
Speaker 2: Helped you lose a lot of weight too, It.
Speaker 7: Did, indeed, because it kills the appetite now like a motherfucker.
Speaker 7: But I will say this also, Chris, you getting into
Speaker 7: this new doc you want to do, Jonathan, we got
Speaker 7: to hook our boiled with some four aco.
Speaker 6: I think that that would go a long way to
Speaker 6: help him. Think of think of all of the amazing
Speaker 6: things of the mushrooms without the nausea.
Speaker 2: And also all of the amazing things with d MT
Speaker 2: without a full blast off, without full of losing control. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's It'd definitely be interested. It is, dude, it's awesome.
Speaker 2: I'll I'll definitely hook you up. But it's uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like if mushrooms and DMT had a baby as base.
Speaker 2: The best way you can put it.
Speaker 7: And lasts is like two hits of psilocybin and two
Speaker 7: hits of d MT. But it's not to a level
Speaker 7: to where you're gonna like lose your mind over it
Speaker 7: or anything. I mean, tolerance levels will matter. Some people
Speaker 7: can only handle like half a pill or capsule, I
Speaker 7: should say, some people have to take two to get
Speaker 7: to the level they want.
Speaker 6: You know, depends on you.
Speaker 2: It's from a good source too. We know the guy.
Speaker 5: So where you guys out right right now? Were you located?
Speaker 6: So in Louisiana? Over here?
Speaker 2: I'm Indiana. I'm in Texas. But that's gonna be changing soon.
Speaker 4: Oh really, Okay, because we're gonna be doing some traveling
Speaker 4: in the next six months to do some filming. I
Speaker 4: know we're definitely slated for like North and South Carolina.
Speaker 5: Possibly Louisiana.
Speaker 4: I really need to get down there, visit family and
Speaker 4: do take care of a few things. So we're hoping
Speaker 4: to do that maybe by the fall. But if any
Speaker 4: chance that we get, you know, to maybe hook up,
Speaker 4: I'll definitely keep in touch.
Speaker 2: Oh, one hundred percent. And that's I plan on being
Speaker 2: back in the fall. So that's that would be perfect.
Speaker 2: And even if not, like it's only four and a
Speaker 2: half hour dry back to bi Ara, Yeah, no doubt,
Speaker 2: yes indeed, but yeah, we would definitely love to hook
Speaker 2: up for that. And but yeah, just back to the
Speaker 2: four Aco dude, it's awesome because you don't get any
Speaker 2: of the side effects of mushrooms like the nausea and
Speaker 2: the sickness. But it uh but and it only lasts
Speaker 2: for three hours, so it's not something super crazy. And
Speaker 2: I've done full on DMT before. I much prefer for
Speaker 2: a four aco DMT personally.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't go back to DMT either, I had, I did,
Speaker 4: I did it twice. First experience was all euphoria. I
Speaker 4: didn't ever have a full blast off, although I did
Speaker 4: have some pretty intense visions. The second one was just
Speaker 4: so uncomfortable, and it was like ten minutes of just
Speaker 4: pure wanting to jump out of my skin. And I'm like,
Speaker 4: I can't do that again.
Speaker 6: So I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know if dmts for me or not, but
Speaker 4: you know, I will go back eventually to the psilocybin
Speaker 4: to visit those realms.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, dude. And we actually I've recently just
Speaker 2: got done talking to somebody who did ayahuasca and usually
Speaker 2: they're like two or three day ceremonies. And I listened
Speaker 2: to that, dude, and I'm like, dude, I did DMT
Speaker 2: and it lasted like three minutes. I can't imagine hours
Speaker 2: and days of that. Like, fuck all that. There's no
Speaker 2: way I'll never do ayahuasca. That's that's too fucking long, bro.
Speaker 2: And I And look, I know that a lot of
Speaker 2: people are getting a lot of great things out of it.
Speaker 2: You are being completely transformed into a new person. I
Speaker 2: saw this one guy. It was an elderly guy, not elderly,
Speaker 2: but like late sixties, early seventies, and he goes, I
Speaker 2: should have done this thirty years ago, and like you know,
Speaker 2: you hear certain testimonies like that, like it is, it's
Speaker 2: a wild ride, and it does help out a lot
Speaker 2: of people. But I'm good. I'm good on that.
Speaker 6: It's the ego death.
Speaker 7: And I feel like most people who never try psychedelics,
Speaker 7: never like the term ego death is it's falling on
Speaker 7: deaf years. They don't understand what that means to completely
Speaker 7: remove yourself from it, or like you're riding this wave
Speaker 7: regardless of it's time for you to get off or not. No, no,
Speaker 7: you need to calm down and ride this wave because
Speaker 7: it's not letting go of you for a little while,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean. It's it's something that I
Speaker 7: think is very beneficial if somebody is ready to have
Speaker 7: that experience.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 7: I got buddies who come back from deployments and they
Speaker 7: have PTSD like motherfuckers, right, And they go to different
Speaker 7: therapy sessions and all these things, and some of them
Speaker 7: try SSRIs all this horrible shit, horrible shit. They'll do
Speaker 7: an ayahuasca retreat and I'm not saying they're completely healed,
Speaker 7: but they will. That starts the healing process for them, right,
Speaker 7: allowing for that ego death and allowing for them to
Speaker 7: come to grips with there and really look at themselves
Speaker 7: in the mirror on that level. And I'm not saying
Speaker 7: that's the only source. People deal with different traumas in
Speaker 7: different ways, but again using these types of substances with
Speaker 7: the respect and using them as a for their medicinal purposes,
Speaker 7: not as a party drug. Right if you're doing ayahuasca
Speaker 7: and then trying to go to a ray, first of all,
Speaker 7: you're just not living life, right.
Speaker 6: You fucking degen.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's not.
Speaker 7: But at the same time, like I also would love
Speaker 7: to try payoti one of these days, but not just
Speaker 7: try some payote at the house. I want to go
Speaker 7: to a Native American ceremony like ceremony which I can
Speaker 7: go to because I have a little bit of chalcowl
Speaker 7: blood in me. I'd have to get all the proper
Speaker 7: paperwork and stuff neither here nor there. If I could
Speaker 7: go there and experience it in the time and place
Speaker 7: and environment that that is supposed to be tried and
Speaker 7: ingested and do a sweat and do the whole thing, Like, yes,
Speaker 7: I would love to know what that's like. Same time,
Speaker 7: I've heard a lot of people say that it's not
Speaker 7: worth and don't worry about it. Mushrooms are ten times better,
Speaker 7: and it's like I hear you, I don't know if
Speaker 7: I believe that, because if it was, then why wouldn't
Speaker 7: the naive Americans have more of a heavier influence with mushrooms.
Speaker 7: Why are they heavier with or ayahuasca and paoti?
Speaker 6: You see what I'm saying. I think there's different levels
Speaker 6: to it. But if you use these things in.
Speaker 7: The proper manner, with the proper respect, and with pure intentions,
Speaker 7: not trying to go buck wild and have a party weekend,
Speaker 7: I feel like your experiences, more often than not, are
Speaker 7: more positive.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: I like what you said about the ego.
Speaker 4: So for me, what it did was it took my
Speaker 4: ego during the experience, took it out and put it
Speaker 4: on the side over here. Then when I came back
Speaker 4: it reintegrated. But I had a level of control over
Speaker 4: it that I never had before, and that stays with you.
Speaker 4: That just doesn't go away. You're able to control your
Speaker 4: ego in a way that's much different than before doing
Speaker 4: those substances.
Speaker 6: In my perspective, yeah, and I think it also helps
Speaker 6: people come to grips with their own mortality. Feel like
Speaker 6: so many people are afraid of death or or like
Speaker 6: either either afraid of death or be they don't realize
Speaker 6: how fragile life is like. And I don't mean your spirit, man,
Speaker 6: I don't mean your soul. We are a very very weak,
Speaker 6: feeble water sack with very weak bone structures making sure
Speaker 6: that we stand up. You know what I mean?
Speaker 7: Life and death. That line between the two can be
Speaker 7: fucking extinguished so fast, and that's it. The game is over.
Speaker 7: It's done now. I know I'm not talking about after
Speaker 7: life things. That's a whole separate conversation. But I feel
Speaker 7: like so many people walk around in this weird bubble
Speaker 7: where they think they're they're all good, nothing's gonna happen
Speaker 7: to them whatever. When they experience an ego death. I
Speaker 7: think that A it kind of gets them aware of
Speaker 7: the fact that, like, nothing is infinite, everything will come
Speaker 7: to an end, including yourself, and b it's kind of
Speaker 7: like the person who's never been in a fistfight before
Speaker 7: gloving up and putting a mouthpiece in and like going
Speaker 7: two rounds just in a sparring match, and you realize, like, okay,
Speaker 7: I can't whoareworks?
Speaker 6: Yeah all right, dope, I don't know where that came from,
Speaker 6: but apparently I'm on one right now. Fuck, here we go.
Speaker 7: It's like you experience, like, okay, getting punched in the
Speaker 7: face full force. You're not going to die, You're not
Speaker 7: made out of glass. Yes it hurts, and yes, you're
Speaker 7: gonna recover from this over the next few days. But
Speaker 7: like there's a level of respect that comes with that,
Speaker 7: and you now know what your limitations and what your
Speaker 7: capabilities are. I feel like this is kind of in
Speaker 7: that same realm on a mental and psychological standpoint, you know.
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