WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:01:27.239 Oh bedoves are. 2 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:47.280 Hello, and welcome to the show. 3 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:51.039 This is the Cult of Conspiracy and my name is 4 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:54.840 Jonathan Jreck, and today we bring back our brother Chris 5 00:00:54.880 --> 00:00:58.000 Matthew from Forbidden Knowledge News and uh. 6 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:00.679 Dude, this is going to be sick. We love having 7 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:03.079 you on the show and you're a fucking filmmaker now 8 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:03.560 look at you. 9 00:01:04.280 --> 00:01:07.760 Oh thank you, brothers. It's pretty surreal. And I am 10 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:10.599 grateful and blessed to be able to do this and 11 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:13.000 I'm blessed to be back on with you guys. 12 00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:13.760 Let's get weird. 13 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:19.239 Let's get weird. So you're actually working on well, you 14 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:23.640 put out your second documentary now. And for anybody who 15 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:25.680 hasn't listened to the first one or go gone and 16 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:28.799 watched the first one, that was a cult Louisiana, where 17 00:01:28.799 --> 00:01:30.000 can they find that one at. 18 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:33.439 They can find that one on two b, Roku channel, 19 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:38.120 a bunch of other streaming platforms. So that's available right 20 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:40.040 now for free. You can check that out. 21 00:01:40.280 --> 00:01:42.959 That's awesome, man, You've been getting a ton of positive 22 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:45.680 reviews on that and everything. We're very proud of you, man, 23 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:47.760 and so just thank you. I just wanted to say 24 00:01:48.079 --> 00:01:51.519 happy to have you as a as an awesome friend 25 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:54.200 and happy to see you doing shit man. That is 26 00:01:54.319 --> 00:01:56.719 that is awesome. But why we brought you on here 27 00:01:56.719 --> 00:01:59.840 today is because you got documentary number two out right 28 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:02.480 now now, the Doors of Perception, Sir. Can you tell 29 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:03.400 us a little bit about it? 30 00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:04.560 Sure? 31 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:07.760 Sure, And just to add on to what you're saying, 32 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:12.360 this all started as an experiment. I was trying to see, 33 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:14.879 with a cult Louisiana, if I could maybe get a 34 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:19.439 movie on streaming platforms. I had very minimal editing skills. 35 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:22.199 I knew kind of how basically how to put everything together, 36 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:25.639 and I learned the specs, and amazingly enough, we got 37 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:28.960 it on there and learned so much from that one 38 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:32.280 about production and editing and the quality and how to 39 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:35.199 film and all that stuff. So started on production of 40 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:38.080 film too, Doors of Perception, And this was supposed to 41 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:41.879 be the first film I did because it was inspired 42 00:02:41.919 --> 00:02:45.280 by everything I talk about on the show, really, but 43 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:46.199 I didn't know how to. 44 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:46.759 Put it together. 45 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:49.759 I figured a show about Louisiana, I mean, a movie 46 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:52.360 about Louisiana would be much easier. So that's what we did. 47 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:55.280 So this one took a lot of thought, a lot 48 00:02:55.319 --> 00:03:01.520 of inspiration through consciousness, exploration and psychedelics and meditation, and 49 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:03.560 it finally came through of how I was going to 50 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:08.759 put it together is just weaving together the connections between 51 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:16.680 these paranormal experiences, altered states, dreams, near death experiences, meditation, 52 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:21.639 alien abduction, and how they all not only connect in 53 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:25.680 very profound ways, but there are synchronicities that follow in 54 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:29.840 our lives after having these experiences that tell a story 55 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:33.080 and weave everything together and lead us on our path. 56 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:36.840 And that's really what I focused on throughout the movie, 57 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:39.280 is trying to connect all those things and how the 58 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:43.280 synchronicities come together and the possibilities. And I had some 59 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:48.039 great authors and researchers and guests on that talked about 60 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:52.039 some of the topics that discussed, and I'm really happy 61 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:54.360 with what it came out. Like I said, I learned 62 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:56.879 a lot and I'm stopd for you guys to see it. 63 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:59.039 You can rent it or purchase right now. 64 00:03:58.919 --> 00:03:59.719 From our website. 65 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:02.960 It'll be available on the big streaming platforms hopefully by 66 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:03.680 June or July. 67 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:09.719 Awesome, dude, so doors a perception that I was imagining 68 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:12.080 that it probably had to do something with psychedelics, with 69 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:17.519 allus Huxley and that kind of stuff. What drug I 70 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:21.160 always forget what kind of drug was he experimenting with 71 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:22.000 whenever he was. 72 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:25.199 Wrescling mask And oddly enough, I don't even mention Huxley 73 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:28.560 in here. I was in part inspired by his work, 74 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:32.519 and it does have a section on psychedelics. In fact, 75 00:04:32.639 --> 00:04:35.000 Doors of Perception Part two. My next one is going 76 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:37.800 to focus more on the psychedelic end of things. But 77 00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:41.879 this does focus a bit on psychedelics, but it's more 78 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:47.160 of weaving together the other experiences that have similarities and 79 00:04:47.240 --> 00:04:53.360 connect to same intelligences, bring same information and maybe within 80 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:58.560 the same realms if you will, that these other experiences 81 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:01.839 take place with didn't really talk about Huxley much. I 82 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:07.519 talked about DMT, ayahuasca, magic mushrooms, and I had experts 83 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:08.279 from each of those. 84 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:09.040 I had. 85 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:14.560 Carlos Tanner, who is the founder of the Ayahuasca Foundation 86 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:17.240 in Peru. He talked about ayahuasca a bit. 87 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:18.480 His healing journey. 88 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:23.279 I had Adam Butler, the author of Butler's DMT Field 89 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:28.000 Guide about DMT and his experiences there, and I was 90 00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:31.160 on talking a bit about my mushrooms experiences and the 91 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:34.439 healings within Part two is going to focus more on 92 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:39.800 the growing psychedelic industry, healing centers, also the dark side, weaponization, 93 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:44.480 MK ultra, and some of the more nefarious things that 94 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:50.000 can happen if you're not really respectful enough going into 95 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:52.800 the psychedelic realms. So that's what part two is going 96 00:05:52.839 --> 00:05:56.079 to focus on a lot more. But yeah, that's what 97 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:58.959 we got on part one, and the rest of the 98 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:03.759 film just focuses on the dreams and meditation and contact 99 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:07.560 experiences and what those really mean for us. 100 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:11.879 Dude, I love this kind of stuff, and you know, 101 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:15.319 obviously me having Meta Mysteries, I dive into this kind 102 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:18.600 of stuff all the time, man, And you've been kind 103 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:21.600 enough to have the Meta Mysteries on your show a 104 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:24.879 few times and it's always been a great talk. I 105 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:28.160 did want to ask you though. So actually, it was 106 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:32.920 like maybe a month ago that on Meta Mysteries we 107 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:35.319 had this guy on. His name is Paul Wild. Have 108 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:37.959 you ever had a conversation with him? No, I have not, 109 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:44.959 So he actually he actually dives into Jim Morrison a lot. 110 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:45.319 Dude. 111 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:49.079 It's and it's awesome and he's he says that that 112 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:52.759 Jim Morrison actually got his idea to call his band 113 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:56.360 The Doors from Aldus Huxley and The Doors of Perception, 114 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:00.079 and it goes into all of the the occult teaching, 115 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:04.480 and he believes that he was basically trying to teach 116 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:06.759 a little bit of the occult throughout a lot of 117 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:08.639 his lyrics, because if you go back you listen to 118 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:11.399 some of his lyrics, Holy shit, talking about the Doors 119 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:16.879 like it is, it's almost like alchemical, which is pretty rad, dude. 120 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:20.120 But uh, but yeah, Jacob, the psychedelic side of things, 121 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:21.959 we just had a guy, Danny Guller. 122 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:23.680 I don't know if you've heard of him or not. 123 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:28.639 The old guy that goler Gold, Yeah, who does DMT 124 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:30.399 and stares at lasers. 125 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:32.560 Yes, yes, yeah, that's cool. 126 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:33.079 Yeah. 127 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:35.600 So you talking about how you kind of delved into 128 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:38.279 the psychedelic realm and kind of piercing the veil in 129 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:40.000 that regard. I was also curious if you've had a 130 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:42.680 conversation with him, because he is a fascinating guy to 131 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:43.040 talk to. 132 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:45.879 Not yet, but I'm glad you mentioned it because I 133 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:47.920 had put a note to reach out to him and 134 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:51.319 completely forgot, So I definitely need to reach out to him, 135 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:51.920 see if I can. 136 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:53.720 You guys have had him on the show. 137 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:56.480 Yeah yeah, I've had him on Meta Mysteries and on here. 138 00:07:56.560 --> 00:07:59.399 I'll actually hook you up with him. And because he's 139 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:03.600 an awesome guy to talk to as dude, he's he's done. 140 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:06.600 I think he's done DMT like a thousand times or 141 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:11.040 something wild. It's like, dude, I I did it once 142 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:14.079 and I'll probably never do it again. I liked it. 143 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:17.319 I learned a lot from it. But that's all I need. 144 00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:19.839 I don't need any more than that. I'm good. You know, 145 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:24.439 it's it's uh, but it's it is interesting the things 146 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:27.120 that you see while while you're in there, you know, 147 00:08:27.160 --> 00:08:29.800 whether it is you know, any kind of psychedelic really like, 148 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:32.759 why is it that we see these things? Is it 149 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:34.960 just our mind? I know that some people like to 150 00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:37.519 just say, oh, that's just our mind, and and that's 151 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:40.080 how we're looking at this fractal world. And it helps 152 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:42.840 you see beyond the you know, either it helps you 153 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:45.559 see beyond the veil or it's just your mind making 154 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.399 it up. And I'm sorry, I really don't buy that 155 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:51.240 it's just our mind. I believe that it opens us 156 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:54.080 up to some kind of vibration that gives us access 157 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:56.679 to be able to see what our our normal five 158 00:08:56.720 --> 00:08:58.360 senses can What do you think about that? 159 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:03.000 I think that was basically proven to me through my 160 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:07.120 May fourth experience because it was so much more than 161 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:11.240 just a visionary or out of body experience. It physically 162 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:14.320 led me somewhere to where I was asking to go. 163 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:17.960 I was asking to find God, and it brought me 164 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:21.080 to this pastor's house, which led to a brand new 165 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:25.840 understanding of God and my whole reality. So for me, 166 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:29.399 that was everything I ever needed to know about the 167 00:09:29.480 --> 00:09:33.039 powers of these and how it's not just accessing parts 168 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:37.919 of our subconscious. I think it's accessing our innerverse, which 169 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:41.759 is the universe, which is everything. I think within is 170 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:46.360 how to get out. It's where all the ecosystems of 171 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:51.159 intelligences in the universe, realm act, everything that you can 172 00:09:51.200 --> 00:09:56.480 ever access can be accessed through within. Through these meditative experiences, 173 00:09:56.639 --> 00:10:03.440 astral dreams, psychedelics, assessing something that I believe opens a 174 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:08.600 door within our pineal or third eye, and we gain 175 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:13.919 access to the outside realms and outside intelligences. And since 176 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:17.759 we are wide open during those experiences, even based on 177 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:23.000 my experiences, can be very dangerous and can attract things 178 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:25.320 that if you're not vibrating right, They're going to try 179 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:27.840 and take advantage of you or even maybe harm you 180 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:31.960 in some ways. So we're definitely accessing something more. 181 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:33.440 Damn. 182 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:35.960 How do you protect yourself against things like that? 183 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:36.279 Though? 184 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:40.200 See I it was a learning process for me. I 185 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:44.080 was thrown into the fire many times. I was, I 186 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:46.879 guess lucky enough to have what I understand as my 187 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:50.679 higher self as a communication and safety net during these 188 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:53.080 experiences to kind of pull me out if it got 189 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:55.639 too hot, or warn me about things. But there was 190 00:10:55.720 --> 00:10:59.000 times it would let me go into deep waters, a 191 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:01.759 little too deep with some things that I shouldn't be 192 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:05.039 messing with, so I would learn from the experience. I 193 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:07.639 would have a traumatic experience with some kind of negative 194 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:09.840 entity attached to me, and then I'll have days or 195 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:13.919 weeks of shitty life because I've got this anguish or 196 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:17.440 anxiety or something that I picked up from those astral 197 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:19.960 realms that then I'll have to go back in and 198 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:22.879 clear up with the help of you know, my guides 199 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:26.720 or my higher self. And each thing that can afflict 200 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:29.039 you has to be cleared up in a different way. 201 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:33.320 Sometimes you have to locate what the energy is, address it, 202 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:35.720 talk to it, use the name of Jesus Christ all 203 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:39.720 kinds of crazy things to get rid of the negative energies. 204 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:43.440 But I found the more I went in, the more 205 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:47.840 my vibration was raised, and the more spiritually connected I was, 206 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:50.759 the less I had to worry about all those negative things. 207 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:52.840 I think it has to do with how high we're vibing, 208 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:56.120 where we're at spiritually, and if we're in the lower state, 209 00:11:56.240 --> 00:11:58.879 it's kind of attracts those negative things. But if we're 210 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:00.799 vibe and high, they won't come anywhere near it. 211 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:01.159 I think. 212 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:04.799 You know, what's interesting is that a lot of people 213 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:07.360 do call on the name of Jesus whenever they're in 214 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:12.559 some kind of spiritual trouble, like whether it is deep 215 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:17.320 within a psychedelic trip, or it could be the what 216 00:12:17.480 --> 00:12:19.919 is it called, where you're you can't get out of 217 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:26.600 your body, sleep paralysis, you know, and for some reason, 218 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:31.559 it absolutely works. And I'm curious about that. I mean, 219 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:33.799 have you ever heard I mean, and this is not 220 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:37.480 a blaspheme, it's it's just out of genuine curiosity, But 221 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:40.879 have you ever heard of anybody calling on anybody else's name, 222 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:45.000 any other enlightened possibly individual that would ever be able 223 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:47.679 to come and possibly rescue them in a time of 224 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:49.320 spiritual need in. 225 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:53.039 The name of Krishna. I just don't know. 226 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:54.120 I don't know. 227 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:56.480 I couldn't tell you. I not that I know of. 228 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:00.360 I was raised Catholic, I was raised Christians, so that's 229 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:04.480 what I revert to during those tense situations. But now 230 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:09.279 it's like I re integrated that kind of Christ consciousness 231 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:12.120 into my life with all my new understandings. And it 232 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:14.279 has nothing to do with the religion or dogma or 233 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:16.279 any of the crap that we're taught from the church. 234 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:19.320 It's just my own personal relationship with what I understand 235 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:22.759 is Christ consciousness. I couldn't tell you if JC was 236 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:25.080 even a real person or an archetype or what, but 237 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:28.960 I identify with his teachings and that's where I go 238 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:30.919 whenever I am in. 239 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:32.519 Spiritual trouble or need something. 240 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:35.360 You know, I'm going to that energy of Jesus Christ, 241 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:37.919 and that's what I rely on plenty of times during 242 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:40.039 those negative encounters. 243 00:13:40.440 --> 00:13:42.840 I know there's the same point you bring up, Jonathan, also, 244 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:45.840 because I mean, I've never heard of and I'm sure 245 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:48.399 there's gonna be some examples out there. It probably is 246 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:53.200 calling upon Krishna or calling upon a Santa Ria god 247 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:58.639 if they you know, whatever, whatever religion or whatever. Yeah, well, okay, 248 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:01.559 to that point, I never heard of a Nordic pagan 249 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:04.600 specifically calling upon one of their gods to aid them. 250 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:06.279 But they don't believe that the gods are to be 251 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:09.399 interfaced in such a way. They seek the gods for guidance, 252 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:12.679 They don't seek the gods to help them because it's 253 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:14.960 a different dynamic between the human realm and the god 254 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:15.879 realm between Nordics. 255 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:17.879 But neither here nor there. My point is, I don't 256 00:14:17.919 --> 00:14:18.960 know of any other. 257 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:24.720 Figure that is consistently called upon that makes demons flee, 258 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:28.120 like without fail, every time one plus one equals to 259 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:31.799 calling upon the name of JC makes the dark forces 260 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:34.480 run away. Now, there's a lot of people that have 261 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:37.519 beliefs as to why that might be. I, being a Christian, 262 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:39.519 have my own beliefs. But again, it might be, like 263 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:43.960 you said, an archetypal thing, or maybe it's a spell thing. Right, 264 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:47.879 the syllables themselves enact a spell of some type that 265 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:49.159 makes the dark entities flee. 266 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:50.320 Hey why not? Why not? 267 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:50.720 Right? 268 00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:53.440 But to your point, I don't think I've ever heard of. 269 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:57.799 Another type where someone calls out and it gets answered 270 00:14:57.840 --> 00:14:58.440 in such a way. 271 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:01.120 Well, i'll tell you what just from my own personal experience, 272 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:04.440 and I've talked about this story before, so I'll just 273 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:08.879 give you the TLDR. But I was having what was 274 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:12.159 kind of a bad trip. I decided to do a 275 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:15.720 psychedelic at a detrimental point in my life in which 276 00:15:15.759 --> 00:15:18.679 I shouldn't have. You know, it was kind of like 277 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:22.960 you live and you learn, and but anyway, I felt 278 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:25.159 I kind of fell into some muddy waters in a 279 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:29.720 trip one time, and I literally I just said, anybody, 280 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:32.960 can anybody come? I don't know who is real, Like, 281 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:34.279 I just want somebody. 282 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:38.799 Well, I said, for anybody means that anything positive or 283 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:39.960 negative might answer big. 284 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:42.200 Though whenever I said it, it was more of like 285 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:46.200 not to sound gay or whatever, but of the love 286 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:49.279 and of the lie. You know, somebody that's looking out 287 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:52.159 for my best interest, possibly anybody that's looking out for 288 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:54.039 me kind of thing. So it wasn't just anybody, but 289 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:57.720 anybody who's possibly looking out for me for in my 290 00:15:57.799 --> 00:16:02.399 positive interest. And to my surprise, I was visited by Sekmet, 291 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:06.919 which is an Egyptian god or goddess. Rather and you 292 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:10.159 know that that went weird, but definitely helped. 293 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:15.320 But you weren't calling upon Sekmet to counteract the negative 294 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:16.399 forces that were on you. 295 00:16:16.240 --> 00:16:18.720 You were kind of losing control in that trip state. 296 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:22.720 Correct, Yeah, it wasn't. I didn't have any you know, 297 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:27.600 scary uh slenderman or anything like that try and come 298 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:30.600 and get me. It wasn't that I was necessarily being attacked. 299 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:32.960 It was that I was I was going through like 300 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:37.360 an anxiety attack, is really what it was. And because dude, 301 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:39.879 whatever you're going through in your life and you take 302 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:42.960 a psychedelic, it will heighten it to the absolute max. 303 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:45.279 It's like, no, you ain't gonna run away from this. 304 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:47.600 There is no alcohol that you can do to drown it. 305 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:49.639 There's no weed that you can do to smoke it out, 306 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:52.480 there's no meditation that you can do to really I mean, 307 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:54.360 maybe you can. I probably should have went that route, 308 00:16:54.399 --> 00:16:57.919 to be honest with you, but I decided to have 309 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:02.240 a little trip and lo and behold, old segment shows 310 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:05.319 up and I didn't know who she was. I didn't 311 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:06.759 know what it was. I just knew that it was 312 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:09.960 like a cat person. That's all I knew. And it 313 00:17:10.039 --> 00:17:14.200 seemed to be Caliko, but it was really really strange 314 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:17.920 and but I mean, hey, I mean she made me 315 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:20.960 feel better in the time. I know this sounds really strange. 316 00:17:20.960 --> 00:17:23.319 I know it sounds like, oh, this guy's just really 317 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:25.720 off as fucking rocker. But I'm telling you, dude, like this, 318 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:28.279 if I can make up anybody, why the fuck would 319 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:30.519 I choose segment? You know what I'm saying, Like, of all, 320 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:34.000 like I would much rather have you know, a valkyrie 321 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:36.079 or something like that. That would have been That would 322 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:39.559 have been dope. But but it is interesting. So uh 323 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:43.880 whenever these entities, I mean, you've had entities show up 324 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:49.279 in your psychedelic trips before, and not always good, but 325 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:52.519 just out of curiosity. And I only asked this just 326 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:56.839 because our most recent episode, which by the way, Jacob, 327 00:17:56.880 --> 00:17:59.000 that was episode eight hundred, and we didn't even fucking 328 00:17:59.039 --> 00:17:59.960 say anything about it. 329 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:02.559 Yeah, I realized that after the fact, but I think 330 00:18:02.599 --> 00:18:05.279 that was a solid one to have for episode eight hundred. 331 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:07.559 Man, I'm just going out was that was sick. 332 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:09.720 That was awesome, and so this will be eight oh one. 333 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:12.119 But anyway, we went into that episode and we were 334 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:19.079 talking about the different possible composition and everything that encompasses 335 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:22.000 within the different dimensions. You know, as far as what 336 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:25.119 string theory was able to prove. They believe that they 337 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:29.440 can prove ten and one more, so they can prove 338 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:31.160 the up to the tenth, but they know that there's 339 00:18:31.160 --> 00:18:34.240 at least one more after that. They just don't know 340 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:38.039 what all it encompasses, because tenth dimension is like God 341 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:41.279 level power, like the things that are there, like, it's 342 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:44.799 like you can combine physics of each dimension to make 343 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:49.480 a whole new physics, and it's weird shit. But do 344 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:52.799 you believe that there are entities that are coming from 345 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:56.200 these different dimensions? And if so, like which ones do 346 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:00.319 you think they're coming from? That's another question that I 347 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:03.160 have zero answers to. The only thing I can compare 348 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:05.799 it to is my own experiences. And as far as 349 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:10.640 different realms, I think there are definitely different levels, both 350 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:15.160 below and above that we can access. Whenever I first 351 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:19.160 started my psychedelic journeys, I was definitely starting off in 352 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:23.640 the lower astral realms. They had some dense energies, some 353 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:28.039 creepy things, some nasty entities that would try and interact 354 00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:31.440 with me, and they would be some of the more 355 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:35.319 terrifying experiences I've had. But as I would go and 356 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:37.319 learn and do a lot of healing and you know, 357 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:41.400 inner trauma healing, it's like I'd breach a level above 358 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:45.119 the level above the astrals, and they'd have still weird entities, 359 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:47.359 still negative things, but they'd be getting a little bit 360 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:51.559 more positive until i'd go up to you know, immediately 361 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:55.240 within the first couple of hours of experiences. I don't 362 00:19:55.279 --> 00:19:57.720 do the mushrooms anymore, but last few times I did 363 00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:00.519 within the first couple of hours, like I could feel 364 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:05.960 myself raising through astral to these lighter dimensions and feeling 365 00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:09.319 the energy of each as I would pass through, and 366 00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:12.480 when I would reach the pinnacle of where I was at, 367 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:14.519 I couldn't tell you what level I was at at 368 00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:18.119 the pinnacle, but it was amazing if when I would 369 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:20.880 see it, I would be just in a pure white, 370 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:26.160 bright room, and oftentimes I'd meet myself there at the 371 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:28.440 highest levels that I got to, and I'd have a 372 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:31.039 conversation with myself, which would be my higher self, and 373 00:20:31.079 --> 00:20:33.799 it would be a vision of me sitting alone in 374 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:38.200 this white bright room with me and my dog, and 375 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:40.480 that's where it would always go to. At the highest 376 00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:44.559 levels and it would be the most blissful, loving feeling 377 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:48.079 and experience that I ever had. But as far as 378 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:51.480 what's coming through to us, like you're saying through paranormal 379 00:20:51.559 --> 00:20:57.119 experiences or if we have an encounter or contact experience, 380 00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:00.400 I think they are coming from the same place and 381 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:03.640 I think it is the same intelligences and energies. I 382 00:21:03.640 --> 00:21:07.680 think they can present themselves as whatever they want to us, 383 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:11.880 as whatever we can identify with, whatever you know, where 384 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:15.319 we're at with our fears, emotions, beliefs, That's what they're 385 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:19.279 going to appear as. And I think there's also layers 386 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:23.319 to that. But when we're looking at paranormal encounters and. 387 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:27.440 Cryptids and more of the physical, nasty extraterrestrial alien encounters 388 00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:30.279 like abductions, and they're sticking things in your butts and 389 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:34.039 doing experiments those physical things, I think there's a huge 390 00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:36.720 layer of deception there. I think there's human involvement. I 391 00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:40.319 think there's military involvement. I'm not so sure that is 392 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:42.759 the same thing that's coming from these realms. I think 393 00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:46.799 that maybe the humans, the mid the dark ones which 394 00:21:46.839 --> 00:21:49.680 are the humans, are tapped into the dark whatever's out 395 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:53.799 there and getting information on how to proceed with these 396 00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:58.440 operations and false flags and abductions. In the science and 397 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:02.640 dark neuroscience and technology that comes out of the military 398 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:05.920 industrial complex. I believe they are tapped into something, but 399 00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:08.680 I don't believe we're interacting with that directly. I think 400 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:12.720 it's coming through the humans and they're doing the nasty shit. 401 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:15.119 And that's just my perception of that dark stuff. 402 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:17.319 I'm kind of on the same vibe with that. 403 00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:20.440 So a lot of people will say, oh, I don't 404 00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:22.039 believe in aliens, but I believe. 405 00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:25.200 In demons, And I'm like, wait, why are you pretending 406 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:26.279 like those are the same thing? 407 00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:30.319 Because they are, And it's like, okay, why, And then 408 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:32.759 when you try to break that down with somebody, their 409 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:33.839 reasons can vary. 410 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:36.039 There's a range of answers they'll give to that. 411 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:38.039 I am somebody who is of the belief that, yes, 412 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:42.079 extraterrestrial life forms, right and put it to whatever cartoon 413 00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:44.720 version of a flying saucer you want. Fine, fine, Okay. 414 00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:48.160 I believe that those probably exist. But I also believe 415 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:50.799 that angels and demons and things of the spiritual side 416 00:22:50.799 --> 00:22:52.839 from the other side of the realm, if you will, 417 00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:56.279 also exist. And while they might be connected. I don't 418 00:22:56.599 --> 00:23:00.720 necessarily think that they do a lot of the time. Now, Yes, 419 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:03.240 I believe that, like a demon could present itself in 420 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:06.720 some other form to make itself look like a Green 421 00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:09.359 Martian or whatever the case would be. But I don't 422 00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:11.920 also believe like those are completely intrinsic of each other. 423 00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:12.279 You know. 424 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:15.160 I believe that they are happening, happening separately and also 425 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:16.160 at the same time. 426 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:18.640 But you know, a lot of people have different perceptions 427 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:19.000 on that. 428 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:23.799 Well, and what do we even really know about aliens? 429 00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:24.839 You know what I'm saying. 430 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:26.759 I mean, you can hear a good bit, I would think. 431 00:23:27.319 --> 00:23:31.119 I've been doing some interesting interviews lately with plenty of 432 00:23:31.160 --> 00:23:35.880 folks that have claimed to be involved with higher levels 433 00:23:35.920 --> 00:23:41.519 of intelligence that are looking into the extraterrestrial phenomena. 434 00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:44.240 One of those people is Ryan Burns. 435 00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:47.200 I'm sure you're familiar with at Space Wolf Research out 436 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:48.960 right next to Skinwalker Ranch. 437 00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:52.200 Yeah. Yeah, well he is. 438 00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:54.759 He has high level folks at his place all the time, 439 00:23:54.799 --> 00:23:57.200 throwing money at him to do research into this stuff 440 00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:01.359 like military, industrial, aerospace people. There's not much he can say, 441 00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:04.680 but he has told me some things, as well as 442 00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:08.400 some other guests I've had recently that claim to have 443 00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:11.720 in you know, some kind of intel about what's going on, 444 00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:14.559 especially in the Skinwalker Ranch area. 445 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:15.400 Let's focus there. 446 00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:22.880 Supposedly most of the activity there is very exotic military 447 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:26.839 weapons testing, and it's a lot of it is you know, natural, 448 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:31.079 paranormal whatever phenomena. But most of the things that people 449 00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:35.400 are experiencing on the extreme levels, they experiment with everything 450 00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:40.759 from UFOs, mind control technology, frequency technology. They can make 451 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:43.279 people sick, they can give people diseases, they can make 452 00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:47.200 people hallucinate and see things. They have nanoparticulates that can 453 00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:51.039 change into dogs and then to people. They have all 454 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:56.160 kinds of exotic, crazy, horrific shit that they're testing out there. 455 00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:58.279 And I heard some dark things about even the skin 456 00:24:58.359 --> 00:25:01.640 Walker Ranch property where they have these little bins that 457 00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:05.759 supposedly they put animals in to attract something that will 458 00:25:05.799 --> 00:25:09.440 come and kill the inn or whatever. But it's been 459 00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:12.920 leaked the possibility and this is not provable, that they're 460 00:25:12.920 --> 00:25:16.960 putting people in those at times unwillingly and like scared 461 00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:19.799 ass people, because the more scared they are, the better 462 00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:23.400 for you know, attracting whatever's out there. I don't know, 463 00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:28.359 insane stuff, you know, Ryan has this legit satanist that 464 00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:30.960 lives right next door in his property that has a 465 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:34.720 tent set up with these weird, powerful lights that he 466 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:38.519 claims to attract the old gods at night. What these 467 00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:41.000 lights up in the sky and it attracts. 468 00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:43.079 UFOs all kinds of crazy stuff. 469 00:25:43.160 --> 00:25:43.359 Man. 470 00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:47.839 So there is that probably natural level of energy and 471 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:51.839 phenomena there, but they're definitely harnessing it and weaponizing it 472 00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:54.839 to the max. So you'll never know what you're getting 473 00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:56.680 when you're going out there. When I went out there 474 00:25:56.799 --> 00:25:59.200 and spent a couple of nights with Ryan on his ranch, 475 00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:06.599 the whole time I felt like uneasy anxious that nighttime. 476 00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:09.599 Of course, we saw the UFOs everywhere, but he gave 477 00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:12.680 us some night vision goggles, and the most disturbing shit 478 00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:16.200 I've ever seen was I'd look around and see shadows, 479 00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:18.759 and the shadows would be shining lasers at me. And 480 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:21.519 it wasn't aliens or ghosts. It was Black Ops teams 481 00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:24.880 and they were watching us, and they were surveying us, 482 00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:27.160 and they were shooting like these laser beams at us 483 00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:30.240 that we couldn't see without the night vision goggles. Who 484 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:32.240 knows what the fuck the lasers but all kinds of 485 00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:35.200 different color lasers all and we just felt so weird 486 00:26:35.240 --> 00:26:38.599 and crazy the whole time we were there. That is 487 00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:41.599 extremely concerning. The whole night we could look through the 488 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:44.000 night vision and see the little shadows walking around and 489 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:46.960 then point a laser and then some other weird light 490 00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:50.440 would pop out where they're at. So that whole area, man, 491 00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:55.720 is just infested with black military shit, dude. 492 00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:58.359 And it's not only just there. I recently just learned 493 00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:02.319 about a new location that is very similar to Skinwalker Ranch. 494 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:06.200 It's called blind Frog Ranch. Have you ever heard of that? 495 00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:07.079 I have. 496 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:10.720 I talked to the guy Dwayne Olinger at a conference, 497 00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:12.839 who's that's his ranch? 498 00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:16.279 Wow? That is I just stumbled across the TikTok and 499 00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:20.039 I went down the rabbit hole. Dude. They're talking about 500 00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:24.359 how you can literally so I believe, and I don't. 501 00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:27.200 I don't know minerals and all that kind of shit, 502 00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:31.000 but but I believe that whenever you take sand and 503 00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:34.400 you heat it up you make it gives you silica dioxide, 504 00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:35.480 which is glass. 505 00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:35.920 Right. 506 00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:40.279 They're claiming that if you take a bunch of sand 507 00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:43.160 and you go in this area, for some reason, the 508 00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:46.440 energy is totally like they say that it's like an 509 00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:51.519 energy zone. Whenever you go into this area over at 510 00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:54.200 a blind frog ranch and they say that you take 511 00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:57.839 a fucking like a like a handful of sand mixed 512 00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:01.440 with dirt even and you heat it up. It creates 513 00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:05.240 metal every single time, and it shouldn't be doing that, 514 00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:09.480 but they're saying that because of whatever the frequency is. 515 00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:11.680 I don't I don't even know how to describe it. 516 00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:14.359 They just say it's like a an energy zone. But 517 00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:16.319 you bring it over there and you go through the 518 00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:20.480 whole process of heating it up and like to super 519 00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:24.200 high temperatures and it turns to metal. Now, that shouldn't happen, 520 00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:27.799 but for some reason in the zone it does, and 521 00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:30.039 it's on it. Like, I don't know how you explain 522 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:30.559 that away. 523 00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:33.640 I've never heard of prime Frog rant. I'm looking it 524 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:34.160 up right now. 525 00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:37.079 Apparently there's like underground tunnel networks that they're doing to 526 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:39.119 try to dig out treasure of some type. 527 00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:42.480 So, yeah, well, I have never heard of this. Where 528 00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:43.920 the hell is this located. 529 00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:45.079 In the Utah Utah? Yeah? 530 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:48.759 Oh damn, the fucking mountain Jews have all the cool property. 531 00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:51.519 I'm just saying, Yeah, well, I mean it makes sense. 532 00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:54.880 I mean, they were finding that was an area where 533 00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:58.640 the gold rush was obviously happening too, right, and so 534 00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:02.720 but it is enter though, because if this place can 535 00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:06.240 develop a metal and I don't know what specific types 536 00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:08.680 of metal, but I mean gold to metal. Silver is 537 00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:10.279 a fucking metal. I don't know what other kind of 538 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:12.920 metals that they're that they could possibly be creating, but 539 00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:18.759 they believe that it's like it's benefiting possible like alchemical 540 00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:22.559 work over there, to where you're literally turning fucking dirt 541 00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:27.599 and sand into metal. And I don't know if they're 542 00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:29.759 gonna be able to turn it into gold or anything 543 00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:32.359 like that, which would be interesting, that would be awesome, 544 00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:37.119 but that would be like the tried formula of really 545 00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:41.920 understanding alchemy, and that is phenomenal. Like that is so 546 00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:44.519 crazy because I know that there's spiritual alchemy, and I'm 547 00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:47.000 super into the spiritual alchemy, and I do believe that 548 00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:51.519 you need to apply that spiritual alchemy to the physical 549 00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:55.839 alchemy in a sense. But yeah, I mean, just just 550 00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:59.839 the fact that there are places like this that are around. Dude, 551 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:02.680 I mean, Jacob, what do you do with that? Like 552 00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:04.720 if that is true? And I saw a video, but 553 00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:06.839 videos can be edited. But if that is true, what 554 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:09.359 do you what do you where do you? What compartment 555 00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:10.559 do you put that into your mind? 556 00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:10.799 Bro? 557 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:12.960 I got a lot of questions with it, I'm be 558 00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:15.240 honest with you. So like it depends on the area 559 00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:17.400 that you're digging. For instance, right if you go I 560 00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:19.240 forget what the name of the river is, but basically 561 00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:21.640 you throw your pick axe and wherever it lands, you 562 00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:23.960 get a scoop of dirt and you go and sift 563 00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:26.079 it in the river. You're going to find gold dust 564 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:28.599 within it. Right, certain areas just have and you're not 565 00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:30.359 gonna see that with the naked eye. Of course, you 566 00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:31.720 have to sift it, and then you're gonna have to 567 00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:34.920 you know, mold it and put into a little uh, 568 00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:35.319 you know. 569 00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:36.519 A crucible and the whole. 570 00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:39.359 Yes, there's a way, right, but to do that with sand, 571 00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:42.000 and again I don't know the mineral composition of the area. 572 00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:43.079 I still think it's crazy. 573 00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:45.240 If you were to take a bucket of sand that's 574 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:46.880 just supposed to be regular sand. 575 00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:49.160 You crucible that down, you get lead out of that? 576 00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:50.240 You know, that's crazy. 577 00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:54.039 My scientific brain would say there's probably trace deposits of 578 00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:56.720 lead in the area and it separates out from the 579 00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.400 silica whenever you you know, heat it up and stuff. 580 00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:02.279 But it depends if we're talking about they're just pulling 581 00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:05.720 out platinum or iron or you know, it depends. It 582 00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:08.599 depends on all of it. But I don't know, honestly, 583 00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:09.960 don't know what to make of that. As far as 584 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:11.119 alchemy is concerned. 585 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:13.119 I mean, yeah, I'm you know, me. 586 00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:15.319 Me being my logical self. I see alchemy as what 587 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:19.160 we would now call chemistry. There's absolutely spiritual aspects to it. 588 00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:24.000 I believe that most of the alchem alchemic alchemists excuse me, 589 00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:26.759 of the past, we're using that as kind of the 590 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:29.680 placeholder for what they couldn't explain with their science of 591 00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:32.079 the time. Like Isaac Newton, for instance. I was just 592 00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:34.079 having this conversation with my uncle the other day. He's 593 00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:38.359 the principle of the Stem High School in Denim Springs, right, 594 00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:42.680 super analytical, super engineering style brain that this guy has. 595 00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:45.240 He's not very religious, not very spiritual or anything like this. 596 00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:49.200 And we were talking about Isaac Newton and how he 597 00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:52.519 was just like the super genius of his day and age, right, 598 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.839 and he himself was using the emerald tablet to break 599 00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:59.200 down the hermetic principles and alchemical principles and all of 600 00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:01.079 these things. And I'm like, yes, he did, and he 601 00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:03.680 drank himself to death with mercury because he was so 602 00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:07.200 smart he didn't know that mercury's poisonous. So like, I 603 00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:09.039 think that a lot of the alchemists from back in 604 00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:11.400 the day were using the spiritual side of things to 605 00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:13.920 kind of make the math equate to a level that 606 00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:17.359 they didn't have the technology to explain at that time. Now, 607 00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:21.119 I'm not saying that to dismiss the spiritual significance of alchemy. 608 00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:24.039 That's just where my brain personally takes it, you know. 609 00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:28.680 Sure, sure, So Chris, you sent a picture, So I 610 00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:30.799 sent a picture. I'm gonna pull it up on here. 611 00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:33.400 See if I can pull it up on my screen. Share. 612 00:32:33.880 --> 00:32:35.960 This is I got a couple of pictures here. 613 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:40.279 This is from the Space Wolf Research Center right next 614 00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:42.160 to Skinwalker Ranch, whenever we went. 615 00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:44.200 I'm gonna pull up this picture. 616 00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:46.640 See if you can see it. Can you guys see that? 617 00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:49.200 Uh yeah, okay. 618 00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:53.079 So this was the little shack right next to the 619 00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:56.599 trailer we were sleeping in. And this picture was taken 620 00:32:56.640 --> 00:33:00.440 from Ryan's three sixty UFO camera while we slept. This 621 00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:03.000 is never seen before. This is like this beam of 622 00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:06.559 light came out of nowhere and was shining down on 623 00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:11.960 this shack and it only stayed there for about maybe 624 00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.480 ten frames and then it was gone. And let me 625 00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:19.200 see if I can pull up this other picture. 626 00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:21.920 And there's no lights. Yeah, good, there's no light source 627 00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:25.200 coming from the shack at all. Right, No, no, there's 628 00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:26.400 no lights around there. 629 00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:29.359 And is there something specifically in that shack that would 630 00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:30.279 be considered. 631 00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:32.920 It's called the blood Shack because there was sex and 632 00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:36.599 blood magic done by Satanists in that shack. What so 633 00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:40.599 that's one thing that maybe. So let's see if it. 634 00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:42.519 Makes sense why it's a red beam? 635 00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:45.519 Yeah? Am I still sharing my screen? 636 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:46.319 Yeah? 637 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:48.839 How do I? I can't tearn this off for some reason. 638 00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:52.680 Well, while you're figuring that out, if anybody see the 639 00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:55.200 shacking question that we are talking about, rather than just 640 00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:57.000 hear about it, Jonathan, tell them where they. 641 00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:59.920 Could go patroon dot com slash Cult of Conspiracy podcast. 642 00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.039 That link is down in the show notes below. We 643 00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:04.319 like to put out our shows a few days to 644 00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:09.039 a week in advance. 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We have just recently 675 00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:37.599 tried to tip our toes back into the YouTube's water. 676 00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:39.960 But of course we can't do it with full episodes. 677 00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:42.599 Nothing we talk about is going to get past the bots, 678 00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:44.800 all right, But we can take a clip of it 679 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:46.880 and put it out there as a teaser for the people. 680 00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:48.519 Come check us out over on YouTube as well. 681 00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:50.960 Yes, yes, so we love all the good cult members 682 00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:53.079 to do so. And if you are part of the 683 00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:56.000 Patreon you'll be able to see this strange picture that 684 00:35:56.119 --> 00:35:57.480 Chris Matthew is showing us today. 685 00:35:57.519 --> 00:35:58.400 What is this picture? 686 00:35:58.480 --> 00:35:58.800 Chris? 687 00:35:59.079 --> 00:35:59.159 So? 688 00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:02.920 This was fa in that shack The very next morning 689 00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:07.519 after the light beam appeared, Ryan had it analyzed. It 690 00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:11.679 is some sort of strange meta material from off planet 691 00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:16.360 with very rare and exotic metals, some found in meteorites. 692 00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:21.119 So this was found in the shack somehow magically the 693 00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:23.320 next day after that light beam appeared there. 694 00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:25.039 So I'm trying to figure out what I'm looking at? 695 00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:27.800 Is that? Is that like a is it almost clear? 696 00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:29.360 It is? 697 00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:30.360 It? 698 00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:36.199 Kind of It's like a twisted metal like metallic silverish color, 699 00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:39.800 but it is. It's very interesting once you if you 700 00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:41.639 see it in your hand and hold it up close, 701 00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:44.400 it's got this kind of strange vibration to it. You 702 00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:47.920 can feel a little energy coming off it. It's pretty crazy, man. 703 00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:50.599 So it's more of a metal than it is like 704 00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:52.880 a Okay, holy shit. 705 00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:56.039 It looks kind of like a like a weirdly shaped 706 00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:59.679 silver nugget neat might find in like a mining type situation. 707 00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:01.480 But I don't think I've ever seen a nugget that 708 00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:03.559 looks like this. It's that is crazy. 709 00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:06.679 So you guys were able to find out what all 710 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:07.920 this was made of? 711 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:12.360 No, he he can't talk about everything. He's told me 712 00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:15.320 very little about it, but he has a stack of 713 00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:19.559 NDAs that contained things that he cannot talk about to anyone. 714 00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:24.400 So really, yeah, So but it's absolutely a metamateial. 715 00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:30.159 It's absolutely something anomalous that has some unidentified elements to it. 716 00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:34.800 Oh my god, like so my, I guess my question 717 00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:36.760 would be is, like why. 718 00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:42.360 I couldn't tell you if this is a byproduct of 719 00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:46.199 some kind of frequency energy that's going there. Maybe if 720 00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:50.280 something comes through a portal, if it secretes some sort 721 00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:54.920 of this material, if it's from a UFO itself, something 722 00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:58.320 that burns off, it's something that it leaves behind, I 723 00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:02.239 couldn't tell you. But supposedly people have found some material 724 00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:06.440 exactly like this inside of themselves, like implant materials and 725 00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:07.119 things like that. 726 00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:10.320 Oh, we've talked about that, Jacob. It's been a minute 727 00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:13.480 since we've talked about people finding weird things inside of 728 00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:19.159 their body after they were allegedly taken right and supposedly. 729 00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:20.480 Made up of the same stuff that was found in 730 00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:22.599 other people's like implants. 731 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:24.920 Dude, And it makes no sense, like none of it 732 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:27.960 makes any sense. Like, you know, you wake up one 733 00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:30.800 night you believe that you got it abducted, but then 734 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:32.679 you wake up in your bed and so it could 735 00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:35.320 have just been a dream. But what is the dream world? 736 00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:38.079 We don't even know what the fuck dreams are I mean, 737 00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:41.199 some people like to say it's just you know, basically 738 00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:45.039 like a composition of all your thoughts combined, and that's 739 00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:50.599 probably a portion of it, I would definitely say, But dude, 740 00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:52.719 like just the fact that people are being taken in 741 00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:55.480 their dreams like that, and then they come back with 742 00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:58.960 things inside of them after they said that they had 743 00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:03.719 an experience of extraterrestrials or alien life form or something 744 00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:06.960 like that working on them. Like you hear about like 745 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.440 the mantis stories, right, like how the mantis is are 746 00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:13.400 always like the surgeons and they'll take you up there 747 00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:16.039 if they if there's something wrong with you. And then 748 00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:18.639 you hear like Chris Bledsoe's story he got rid of 749 00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:23.840 what was the the bowel dysfunction, that he had, crones disease, 750 00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:30.079 cronees disease, met up with the aliens or whoever, and bang, 751 00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:34.719 Crone's disease is gone. Crows disease is incurable. Yeah, he 752 00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:39.719 should still have that, yeah, but it's not there. So, 753 00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:43.760 I mean, it is something's definitely going on. Now, Jacob, 754 00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:48.119 do you believe, just within your mind, do you think 755 00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:51.159 that so he had crones disease very well documented, he 756 00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:53.440 wasn't able to go to work. It was affecting him 757 00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:55.679 that much. It was tearing apart his family. He had 758 00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:57.920 to stay in the bathroom like twenty times a day. Dude, 759 00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:01.840 poor guy. But then he has this experience and all 760 00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:04.000 of a sudden it's gone. Do you think it's a 761 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:06.599 place ebo effect? Do you think that it's just believing 762 00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:09.519 in the higher goodness of the extrad Like? What do 763 00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:10.960 you think that is in your mind? 764 00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:15.000 Bro? I know I can count right now five people 765 00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:16.719 that I know personally that have crones. 766 00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:19.440 There's no placebo effect that's gonna make that go away. 767 00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:21.639 I'm sorry that that's no fucking. 768 00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:23.760 Way you could believe with all your heart's, soul, mind 769 00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:25.719 and strength and you're still going to be shitting your 770 00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:28.639 brains out in about thirty minutes. That's just yeah mine. 771 00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.079 So I mean, where did that come from? 772 00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:35.840 What you guys are familiar with Chris Letzoe's entire story right, yes, 773 00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:39.400 what he believes that these intods are. He believes there's 774 00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:43.440 some sort of angelic beings. He doesn't really subscribe to 775 00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:47.360 the traditional you know, beings coming from space and narrative, 776 00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:52.320 but he now supposedly has the ability to heal others 777 00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:56.119 at times. Yeah, and he can call upon you know, 778 00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:57.760 the UFOs at will. 779 00:40:58.039 --> 00:40:59.960 Everywhere he goes. These people are falling. 780 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:07.079 He's the most studied case by intelligence entities ever and 781 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:11.519 they're still you know, in contact with him, studying the 782 00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:15.199 family things like that. But he believes that these are 783 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:19.239 what he thinks are angelic beings that are here for 784 00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.519 a special purpose, and his family has been chosen as 785 00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:25.440 messengers for some reason. So pretty interesting. 786 00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:27.440 Yeah, you're supposed to have him on the show a 787 00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:30.360 while back, and then, you know, scheduling issues came up 788 00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:32.079 and we just kind of have not heard since. 789 00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:33.760 I don't know what he's to have to get to 790 00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:34.199 get a hole. 791 00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:36.679 I had him on once, like right after his book 792 00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:38.760 came out and been trying to get touch with them 793 00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:42.079 after a kid did. But yeah, once you get out there, 794 00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:44.960 it's kind of He's how it may be difficult to 795 00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:45.760 get to everybody. 796 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:48.880 Absolutely, dude, he's a busy man. Like so many people 797 00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:52.280 are interested. What was his name from Twilight went out there? 798 00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:59.239 The dad from Twilight, Edward's dad went out to see 799 00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:02.840 the orders out there. I can't remember what his name 800 00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:04.559 is in the movie. I've seen those damn movies so 801 00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:07.039 many times because my daughter's addicted to them. But the 802 00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:11.039 blonde dad went out there right right, He went out 803 00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:13.679 there and was able to experience it himself. And so 804 00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:16.000 many people are and being invited to go out there 805 00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:18.239 and see it, and they're witnessing it. So it's not 806 00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:21.599 just like that family that's only seeing it. Everywhere these 807 00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.760 people go. They're seeing the phenomena. I don't know what 808 00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:27.119 you want to call it. They believe that it is 809 00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:31.280 of a loving higher intelligence. I mean, I'm sure that 810 00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:33.440 they have certain names that they like to go by 811 00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:38.039 or that they assigned to them, but you know, it's 812 00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:40.679 it's unexplainable, dude. And so that's did you hear about 813 00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:44.960 the prophecy that he was given? How it's twenty twenty six, 814 00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:48.079 I think twenty six. They're supposed to be the star alignment, 815 00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:52.119 and NASA actually looked it up and confirmed that this 816 00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:56.840 specific star alignment is going to be occurring in twenty 817 00:42:56.880 --> 00:43:00.360 twenty six and on easterdy it'll be yeah, yeah, on 818 00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:03.559 Easter it'll be like this flooding of a new awakening 819 00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:06.159 energy or something that's going to change the planet forever. 820 00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:06.960 Who knows. 821 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:10.000 I never get down with predictions, but it's interesting. 822 00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:13.079 Yes, supposedly you can get a new pope elected. 823 00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:17.320 His Easter as Pope will be some wild, extra level, 824 00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:18.599 extra paranormal shit. 825 00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:21.079 Look y'all, I'm not saying what I'm just saying you no. 826 00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:24.679 And what's really cool too is that he believes that 827 00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:28.440 it was an entity or a group of entities that 828 00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:33.760 identify themselves as Hathor, which is really really interesting because 829 00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:37.239 you start getting into who is Hathor and dude, that 830 00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:40.559 perfectly connects to the segment thing that I was talking about, 831 00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:42.800 because sec Met had to go through some shit and 832 00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:47.559 then she like evolved into Hathor. Sec Met was like 833 00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:48.360 the evil one. 834 00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:51.199 Chris Bledsoe says that there was like a woman that 835 00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:53.719 stepped out of the orb, right, was that Hathorn Hathor? 836 00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:56.559 Yeah, okay, okay, okay. It's been a minute since I 837 00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:57.559 delved into. 838 00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:01.280 The the story arc of the Blacke's So family, But yeah, 839 00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:02.719 one of these days I hope we get him on 840 00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:03.079 the show. 841 00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:04.960 I would love to hear it straight from the horse's mouth, 842 00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:05.199 you know. 843 00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:09.519 Yeah, I thought it was interesting about how Sean Ryan 844 00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:13.280 waited like four months to release that episode and the 845 00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:17.239 family was like, Yo, why aren't you releasing it? You know, like, 846 00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:19.559 and so Sean Ryan came under a lot of fire. 847 00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:21.039 A lot of people were saying that he was some 848 00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:24.679 kind of gatekeeper, which I mean, you can't necessarily, you 849 00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:27.000 can't dismiss it. I mean, if we're being honest, you 850 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:30.159 can't dismiss it. He was former intelligence. He blows up 851 00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:30.960 out of nowhere. 852 00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:34.440 He has intelligence. Really, I don't think so everyone's like, 853 00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:35.440 Seawan Ryan's a fed. 854 00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:37.760 It's like, bro review his resume. 855 00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:42.039 No shit, right, nobody's questioning if a man worked for 856 00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:44.280 a three letter agency, he worked for all of them 857 00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:45.239 at one point in time. 858 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:48.199 All shit, yeah, yeah yeah. So I mean, and that's 859 00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:50.400 not to take away from Sean Ryan. I still love 860 00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:53.000 his show. I think he has great guests and everything. 861 00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:56.639 But I mean, who's to say maybe maybe there are 862 00:44:56.679 --> 00:45:00.199 even gatekeepers ahead of him that thought maybe we should 863 00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:04.360 because I'm sorry, dude, Like I don't. I mean, he's 864 00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:09.400 releasing shows quite frequently, right, and a couple times a week. 865 00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:11.840 I believe it's like two three times a week something 866 00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:15.880 like that, and it is rare that you're going to 867 00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:20.039 get three four months ahead of schedule, Like that's like, 868 00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:23.440 that's that's like god level podcasting. If you're that, if 869 00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:25.599 you're that far ahead, you know what I'm saying. And 870 00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:30.519 that's why, as somebody who shoots podcasts quite frequently, I 871 00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:33.119 look at that and I'm like, maybe there is something 872 00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:34.719 I don't I don't think we're ever gonna really know 873 00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:36.639 the whole story. I'm happy that he released it though, 874 00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:40.159 so it's out there everybody can see it. And he 875 00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:43.480 actually threw a little jib at a little job at 876 00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:46.639 the people that were saying that it was being censored 877 00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:49.559 or whatever. He goes, this was not censored. It never 878 00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:52.440 was censored, so maybe he's right there was. 879 00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:54.320 There was some controversy around that too. 880 00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:56.400 And I mean, I don't know how many months out 881 00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:58.559 in advance, the dudes got some show shot, you know 882 00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:02.000 what I mean. But then aside from when current events 883 00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:04.119 happened that you need to release an episode on that day. 884 00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:06.440 Remember the cyber truck explosion, right. 885 00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:09.400 He had a guy who served with this dude come 886 00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:11.960 on the show like two days after the facts. Then 887 00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:13.679 like the rest of that week, he had other people 888 00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:16.599 that were like kind of auxiliary units that could speak 889 00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:18.159 on this matter. And that's the thing whenever you're at 890 00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:20.320 that level. It's like Rogan, you know what I mean. 891 00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:22.280 He's got so many people in his rollo decks that 892 00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:25.519 he could call on that are just like celebrities or 893 00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:28.280 experts in this field or whatever else. If he wanted 894 00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:30.440 to just shoot for three days, there's boom, boom, boom, 895 00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:32.400 three episodes a day for three days straight and just 896 00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:34.400 get himself set up for the next month. Like he 897 00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:36.880 has the scheduling and the people that will show up 898 00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:39.440 to do that. Sean Ryan's kind of in that same field, 899 00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:40.559 you know what I mean. He doesn't have to like 900 00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:44.360 wait for a response back from a former CIA guy 901 00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:46.559 to come and speak or former Green Beret guys. No, no, 902 00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:48.719 they make time for him. He doesn't make time for them, 903 00:46:48.760 --> 00:46:50.400 you see what I'm saying. So like I get that, 904 00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:50.840 I do. 905 00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:53.199 And he's also had on like a lot of other 906 00:46:53.239 --> 00:46:55.519 great guests too, Like he had Diana Pasoka on after 907 00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:58.039 Have you ever had Diana Pasoca on your show? 908 00:46:58.079 --> 00:46:59.119 Have been trying. 909 00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:02.719 I gotta respont twice, but the scheduling never went through, 910 00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:06.119 So we'll keep that, you know, put that out there. 911 00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:07.119 I'd love to have her on. 912 00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:09.519 Oh yeah, well reason I bring that up is because 913 00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:11.719 she talks a lot about the meta materials as well. 914 00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:17.119 And you guys finding that piece, I mean, is that 915 00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:20.639 piece somewhere locked away where nobody can get their hands 916 00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:22.880 on it. No one is ever going to see that 917 00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:25.920 thing ever. Again, It's wow, It's actually amazing. You were 918 00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:27.119 even able to get a picture of it. 919 00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:29.440 Yeah, well, he sent me the picture. I wasn't able 920 00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:32.880 to even see it myself. We left that morning and 921 00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:33.840 he sent me the picture. 922 00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:34.800 While we're on the road. 923 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:36.519 He's like, look what I found in the cabin while 924 00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:38.719 you were guys sleeping, And it was crazy. 925 00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:41.199 All right. So you were out there filming for this 926 00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:43.920 documentary when that situation took place. 927 00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:47.360 Yes, okay, So now I want to ask you also 928 00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:51.039 with this documentary that you just released. The so Alice 929 00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:55.119 Huxley himself wrote this book about his experience on mescalin. 930 00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:58.400 You being somebody who was kind of tiptoed and delved 931 00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:02.480 into excuse me, these psychedelic real before while preparing and 932 00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:06.719 making this documentary, did you yourself indulge in mescalin specifically 933 00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:08.079 or was it more other stuff? 934 00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:14.199 It was mainly psilocybin. I've done mescalin before. It's been 935 00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:17.480 a very very long time, but it was. Yeah, it 936 00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:22.400 was mainly psilocybin. But again, the movie wasn't really supposed 937 00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:27.199 to be surrounded or focused on, or even that much 938 00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:29.079 inspired by Huxley's work. 939 00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:30.199 It was in part. 940 00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:33.519 Inspired, and I didn't really even bring him up during 941 00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:37.760 the film because I just wanted to kind of shift 942 00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:43.440 the perspective on a bigger picture of the not only 943 00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:46.960 the psychedelic realm, but how it's connected to everything, and 944 00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:50.440 I thought Doors of Perception would be a perfect title 945 00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:50.800 for it. 946 00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:53.960 Yeah, that's perfect, dude. So you had mentioned that you 947 00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:58.559 had had on Adam Butler and he wrote a book, 948 00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:04.519 The Adam Butler's Team. He got, yes, yes, And I've 949 00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:06.960 had the cover. I've had a conversation with him before, 950 00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:10.559 and fascinating guy talking about all the things. Dude, he 951 00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:14.079 I believe still to this day, is doing DMT every single. 952 00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:17.360 Yeah, all the time, per psychonide. 953 00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:20.320 I'm like, bro, you are that you're already living there, 954 00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:23.559 like you may as well just live there then, dude. 955 00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:23.960 That's crazy. 956 00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:26.880 I heard of a story of a guy who was 957 00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:29.840 like that, but he took it like way too far 958 00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:34.199 and he had some a little bit of damage done 959 00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:36.960 to his psyche because he kept going in day after date, 960 00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:41.199 but he would have these prolonged experiences where he'd only 961 00:49:41.239 --> 00:49:42.960 be out for a few minutes, but he'd be living 962 00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:47.400 lifetimes out in the realm, like whole lifetimes with having 963 00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:51.719 sex with entities and just being debauchrous in the DMT realms, 964 00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:55.159 like doing things you probably shouldn't be doing out there, 965 00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:57.360 and he just got caught. 966 00:49:57.199 --> 00:49:57.599 Up in it. 967 00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:01.440 And I believe he's like his pretty fried in like 968 00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:04.760 some kind of if not in a mensalik institution. He 969 00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:08.800 is not very high functional in society right now because 970 00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:11.199 he overdid that shit way too much. 971 00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:14.039 Yeah, you don't want to do that, like, and that's 972 00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:17.719 the thing, Like I I space all of my psychedelic 973 00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:21.559 trips out, like I'm putting at like I haven't done it. 974 00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:25.119 I haven't done any psychedelics since October, right, and so 975 00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:27.960 that's fucking five months, six months, seven months, whatever it 976 00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:31.519 is by now. And because you want, like the goal 977 00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:34.039 is is you're trying to break it down and try 978 00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:37.039 and understand what you were experiencing in there. Now, I 979 00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:40.880 have I have, Like so I would do mushrooms one 980 00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:43.880 night and then I would wait, like a week and 981 00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:46.119 then do it again. And it always for me, at 982 00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:50.199 least for the for the psilocybin, I feel like I 983 00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:54.400 could never replicate wherever I was going. And maybe it 984 00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:58.079 was even lesser because I think that I feel like, 985 00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:01.880 if you do this, this is mushrooms specifically. I don't 986 00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:03.800 know about DMT. I'm sure DMT is gonna take you 987 00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:07.039 there every fucking time, but for mushrooms, for me specifically, 988 00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:10.639 I felt like I had to space them apart because 989 00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:13.440 every time I would do it, if they were, you know, 990 00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:16.599 in close proximity to each other, it wouldn't be as 991 00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:19.280 profound and it would just be oh, pretty lights and 992 00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:21.599 it would make me giggle a little bit, but there 993 00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:24.559 was no profound thing that was happening to me if 994 00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:26.559 I did them back to back like that. Have you 995 00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:27.599 ever felt like that? Well? 996 00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:31.159 I found Dutch homie that does the deprivation tank. Right, 997 00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:35.039 So this guy, he is a psychoanot to the n degree, 998 00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:37.599 but he might only do this once every month or two, 999 00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:40.079 but when he does, he'll take like seventeen grams of 1000 00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:45.039 mushrooms and go into a a isolation deprivation tank and 1001 00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:48.039 just have an entire fucking time god experience, and I'm 1002 00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:48.960 just like big Homie. 1003 00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:50.559 I don't want that level of smoke. 1004 00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:52.639 No, my god, I'm good. 1005 00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:54.239 No, Well for me. 1006 00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:58.599 With the psilocybin, I would utilize it about once a month, 1007 00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:01.679 maybe twice a month if I was feeling frisky, But 1008 00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:05.840 every time it would be a completely different experience. But 1009 00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:08.360 it wouldn't be lesser. It would never be lesser. It 1010 00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:15.119 actually became more engrossed, more profound, more out of body experiences, 1011 00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:18.800 more visuals, bigger and better every time when I would 1012 00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:21.480 space it out like that, because I believe the neural 1013 00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:24.280 pathways were being connected in a way that I could 1014 00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:28.159 have bigger experiences, and with each of those experience, it 1015 00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:30.760 would connect something new and I would be able to 1016 00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:33.559 travel a little bit further, experience a little bit more, 1017 00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:36.639 a little bit more profound. I remember the first time 1018 00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:39.920 I had this really profound visual out of body besides 1019 00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:41.960 the reptilian experience I told you about, But. 1020 00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:44.239 This, I shit you not. 1021 00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:47.480 This portal opened up in my room and I could 1022 00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:50.800 see a version of myself that was from a different time, 1023 00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:53.320 and I had a mustache and a lab coat and glasses, 1024 00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:56.679 and I was looking through the portal at myself and 1025 00:52:56.719 --> 00:52:59.760 the other version of myself said, by god, we've done it. 1026 00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:02.119 We've achieved it, and the portal. 1027 00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:05.320 Went joop and I was like, oh my we achieve God, 1028 00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:07.960 what's going on. I started freaking out and I was like, 1029 00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:11.639 what did we achieve that? It was crazy? Then it 1030 00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:13.320 was like a Rick and Morty type thing. 1031 00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:18.480 We did it, Mary, So that is wild. 1032 00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:22.440 Imagine you another version of you, different timeline, if you will, 1033 00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:26.960 who's at the pinnacle cutting edge technology on interdimensional travel. 1034 00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:30.320 You're trying to find yourself and then you like chilling 1035 00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:31.960 on your couch like eating Doritos or whatever. 1036 00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:33.800 It's like, my god, we did it. It's like, what 1037 00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:34.400 the fuck? 1038 00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:35.960 That's what it was like. 1039 00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:38.920 Dude, Dude, that is insane. Dude. 1040 00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:40.519 What's what's crazy about? 1041 00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:40.679 That? 1042 00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:40.920 Is? 1043 00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:41.880 So? 1044 00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:45.119 I mean, first of all, we all love Rick and Morty. 1045 00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:47.480 Rick and Morty's the ship, But do you think that 1046 00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:49.920 there is Chris, do you think that there is a 1047 00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:53.519 base level reality? Is there such thing as a base 1048 00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:56.679 level reality? Or are they all kind of equal? 1049 00:53:57.800 --> 00:53:59.239 This is some black mirror stuff. 1050 00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:02.239 And then this kind of conversation always in a sense 1051 00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:04.840 makes me uneasy in a way because there's no way 1052 00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:08.719 to tell if baseline reality is even a thing, if 1053 00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:11.320 it's even possible, if we were ever there, if we 1054 00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:14.679 are in some kind of container. Now we may just 1055 00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:18.320 be in a hard drive in some advanced beings computer 1056 00:54:18.599 --> 00:54:20.880 just running through our processes. 1057 00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:21.920 Who knows. 1058 00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:25.079 I mean, you look at the West World where they're 1059 00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:28.159 doing the consciousness transfer to the fucking robots, and they 1060 00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:30.840 just you know, think that they're living their normal lives, 1061 00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:31.440 and shit. 1062 00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:33.440 That could be us. I don't know. 1063 00:54:33.559 --> 00:54:37.079 So it's such a deep, multi layered conversation. The more 1064 00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:39.719 you start in get looking into it, the spookyer shit 1065 00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:43.079 gets in, the bigger the topic gigs, and the less 1066 00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:43.360 you know. 1067 00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:46.840 And that's the crazy thing is that, all right, let's 1068 00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:49.079 say that we are in some kind of video game 1069 00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:53.280 or simulation or something like that. Why like, why is 1070 00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:57.519 it that we have this tool that whenever we ingest 1071 00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:00.880 it talking about any kind of psychedelic it allows us 1072 00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:04.840 to see other shit, you know, like so so okay, 1073 00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:11.519 perfect perfect, So so essentially we're eating literal mushrooms and 1074 00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:15.920 being able to experience other things. Yeah, we have sup 1075 00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:20.559 like things that you shouldn't have access to. It seemingly right, 1076 00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:25.280 like it's you do but it seems like it's completely 1077 00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:28.000 out of our wheelhouse, like it's something that it's really 1078 00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:31.760 strange because sometimes whenever you go there, wherever it is 1079 00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:35.119 that you go, it feels so familiar, doesn't it, Like 1080 00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:36.920 if you've ever done a psychedelic and you're like. 1081 00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:39.400 Sometimes it feels like it's more real than this reality, 1082 00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:41.880 like it's home, Like, ah, just feel more comfortable here. 1083 00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:42.239 Yeah. 1084 00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:43.800 And as a matter of fact, last night, as I 1085 00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:46.159 was going to sleep, I was trying to imagine, like, 1086 00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:50.039 all right, if this is kind of like an offshoot 1087 00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:53.760 of whatever the real thing is, whatever we really are, 1088 00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:56.920 wherever we go when we die, whatever that is. If 1089 00:55:57.360 --> 00:56:00.880 I was trying to imagine, like all right, imagine if 1090 00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:04.960 you already knew that you cracked the code in this 1091 00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:09.000 reality and that you remembered exactly where you were. And 1092 00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:11.199 I always like to trade, like play these little brain 1093 00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:13.400 tricks in my own mind, like all right, if I 1094 00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:15.000 already knew, what would it feel like? 1095 00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:15.679 You know? 1096 00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:19.360 And and I was, I mean I don't know. I mean, 1097 00:56:19.360 --> 00:56:22.039 you're laying in bed, You're going into a trance state. 1098 00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:25.239 Maybe you're experiencing what you want to experience. Maybe you're 1099 00:56:25.239 --> 00:56:28.239 experiencing the actual experience. Who knows no way to really 1100 00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:31.199 determine that. But I felt like I had like some 1101 00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:34.079 friends on the other side that were like cheering me 1102 00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:36.719 on in a sense that were like, dude, you're doing 1103 00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:39.440 fucking awesome. I like, it's so fun to watch this game. 1104 00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:43.559 But also could be my subconscious that's like hoping that 1105 00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:46.280 that's a thing you know, so I don't. And that's 1106 00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:48.679 the thing about psychedelics. There's no way to prove any 1107 00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:49.360 of this stuff. 1108 00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:55.000 There is none, but which side of Jenny Gohler it right. 1109 00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:55.119 From what you just said. 1110 00:56:55.159 --> 00:56:57.800 It reminds me of experiences I've had where I would 1111 00:56:57.880 --> 00:57:01.400 be going deep into it, out of body experience, and 1112 00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:05.400 then I'd come across these strange entities or like squids 1113 00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:09.199 or bubbles floating, but they had consciousness and they'd recognize me, 1114 00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:09.960 and they'd be like. 1115 00:57:09.880 --> 00:57:13.719 Hey man, you're back, welcome back. We missed you. We're 1116 00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:16.119 so glad to see you again. Come hang out more. 1117 00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:17.800 And I'm like, who the hell you look like a 1118 00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:20.639 squid or a fucking bubble or what the you know, 1119 00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:24.199 little lights and colors and shit, But you recognize me 1120 00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:25.480 and you want to hang out. 1121 00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:27.400 And you miss me. That's it's just crazy. 1122 00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:29.599 Like you know, some are like you said, cheering me on, 1123 00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:31.760 saying you're doing to touch a good job, keep it up. 1124 00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:34.079 So I don't know what that is, man, I don't 1125 00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:36.840 know if it's just all the little pieces of our 1126 00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:40.119 innerverse that you know, connect with us and speak with us, 1127 00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:42.920 or if it's entities outside who knows. 1128 00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:46.320 And that's the thing. It's like, whenever you're experiencing it, 1129 00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:50.800 you know that it's real, like and that's it's convincing 1130 00:57:51.159 --> 00:57:54.559 enough that you know that it absolutely is reality, Like 1131 00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:56.920 you don't even question it until you're out of it, 1132 00:57:57.159 --> 00:57:59.440 and then you know, some time passes and you're like 1133 00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:01.920 that just been my mind? Could that have just been 1134 00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:04.760 my subconscious? Is that just Mike? Is that what I 1135 00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:08.719 want to happen? But there's no way of knowing. And 1136 00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:11.480 but I think that it is interesting, you know, speaking 1137 00:58:11.480 --> 00:58:15.679 on Danny Goehler here, he's done DMT so many times 1138 00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:18.679 and he was he was able to prove that there 1139 00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:21.679 is some kind of code written into this reality whenever 1140 00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:24.199 you difract a laser off of a glass onto a wall, 1141 00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:27.840 And I mean, what is now? 1142 00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:30.679 Could it be like I'm gonna play Devil's advocate with this. 1143 00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:35.719 Could it be that when they're doing this experiment, because 1144 00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:37.639 he's already put it out there, that the person's going 1145 00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:40.559 to see this, because they're expecting to see this, They're 1146 00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:43.840 going to see this. It's something that is a kind 1147 00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:47.920 of subconscious expectation because it's already been mentioned. It already 1148 00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:49.880 been said, dude, this is crazy, and it makes such 1149 00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:52.559 an impact that when you actually do the substance and 1150 00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:54.760 check it out, you're just going to see the same 1151 00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:57.119 thing because it's a built an expectation. 1152 00:58:57.360 --> 00:59:00.480 I don't know that could be the case, but he 1153 00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:02.480 has been shown it to all of his friends, and 1154 00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:05.280 all of his friends are seeing the same exact thing, 1155 00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:08.480 and they're describing it the same exact way. So much 1156 00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:11.000 so that whenever I had Danny Goler on Meta Mysteries, 1157 00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:14.079 we had our buddy Electro Nick come on the show, 1158 00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:18.639 and he's a psychonaut in and of himself, and he 1159 00:59:18.920 --> 00:59:22.760 smoked DMT on camera right on the podcast, shined the 1160 00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:26.159 laser through the glass onto the wall and was able 1161 00:59:26.199 --> 00:59:30.239 to describe back to Danny Gohler what he was seeing, 1162 00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:32.239 and Danny was like, oh, yeah, yeah, are you seeing 1163 00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:34.679 these shapes? And these shapes and like these kind of symbols. 1164 00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:38.840 They seem to be like Japanese type symbols or Egyptian 1165 00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:41.159 or Hebrew type symbols. 1166 00:59:41.239 --> 00:59:45.280 And it's strange if it was something where like they've already, 1167 00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:48.400 if somebody has seen Danny's work and knew what type 1168 00:59:48.440 --> 00:59:51.320 of sigils or writings that they were expecting to see, 1169 00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:54.079 I'm with you, it could absolutely be like a preconceived notion. 1170 00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:58.119 But that being said, there are so many examples. Nick 1171 00:59:58.159 --> 00:59:59.760 is a perfect example of this as matter of factor. 1172 00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:04.320 Somebody who's never actually seen the writing, the language itself, 1173 01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:06.280 but are able to write down on a piece of 1174 01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:08.880 paper what they're seeing and it matches what Danny said 1175 01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:11.159 before they ever saw it with their own eyes. This 1176 01:00:11.679 --> 01:00:13.320 is where it's like, all right, and it's not a 1177 01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:15.400 trip extra happening here for sure. 1178 01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:18.840 And the way they describe it is they say, yes, 1179 01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:23.199 you are tripping, but what you're seeing is something that 1180 01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:27.599 has depth. It's something that is there and it's not moving. 1181 01:00:27.639 --> 01:00:30.239 Whenever you blink your eyes or shift your attention or 1182 01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:32.920 anything like that. It's like you move your attention, you 1183 01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:34.760 move your eyes up, you move your eyes down, and 1184 01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:37.639 you still see it right there. So that's not something 1185 01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:41.000 that would necessarily happen on a regular psychedelic trip, because 1186 01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:44.760 anybody who's ever seen the fractals, whenever they've taken psychedelics 1187 01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:49.159 or any kind of any any kind of hue a color, 1188 01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:53.320 it's always escaping, it's always changing, right, But the coding 1189 01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:55.199 sticks for some reason. 1190 01:00:56.760 --> 01:00:59.159 The only reason I asked that is first of all, 1191 01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:02.639 because I've had such profound immersive experiences. My whole house 1192 01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:06.119 turned into a dungeon one time. The you know, very 1193 01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:09.199 clear things that seemed to be kind of tangible in 1194 01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:12.719 front of me during that experience, and non changing, non swirling, 1195 01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:16.880 just objects or an entire reality around me that is steadfast, 1196 01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:19.480 that is here. That is one thing, but the other 1197 01:01:19.519 --> 01:01:21.280 thing is in this. This is the only time I've 1198 01:01:21.280 --> 01:01:25.719 ever experienced a group hallucination, if you will. And this 1199 01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:28.960 I was like nineteen, and I was on LSD and 1200 01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:31.679 me and a few of my friends were so stupid. 1201 01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:33.920 We were driving to a concert in New Orleans and 1202 01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:36.960 the guy driving was on a lot of LSD and. 1203 01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:38.119 I was in the passenger seat. 1204 01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:42.239 We're all out there driving and all of a sudden, 1205 01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:45.079 at the same time, we all saw the same thing. 1206 01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:47.519 We all compared notes after at the same time. We 1207 01:01:47.559 --> 01:01:51.800 started screaming and yelling what we were seeing. The road 1208 01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:55.719 started going shoop shoop, and we're like, no, we got 1209 01:01:55.719 --> 01:01:58.039 to get out, so we pulled over. And as the 1210 01:01:58.119 --> 01:02:00.920 dude was pulling over, his hands turned into big white 1211 01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:04.239 mickey mouse hands with big white mickey mouse gloves, and 1212 01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:07.440 we all saw it were like, you got maky mouse hands. 1213 01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:10.360 Oh my, you got making mouse hands. And we pulled 1214 01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:12.840 over and jumped out of the truck started running freaking 1215 01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:15.679 out everywhere. Luckily, we had a friend that was sober 1216 01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:17.440 that was following us, and he's like. 1217 01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:17.880 Get in. 1218 01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:20.800 You were not driving anymore. But it was so we 1219 01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:23.480 all saw the exact same thing. Now, that was the 1220 01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:25.840 only time I'd ever experienced anything like that, so I 1221 01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:28.800 know it's possible, but it was crazy. Dude. 1222 01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:32.159 My that reminds me my uncle told me a story 1223 01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:35.159 one time whenever he took acid. I think it was 1224 01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:38.199 an acid story, and that's I'm scared to try acid. 1225 01:02:38.199 --> 01:02:41.119 To be honest, I'll probably never try it because you 1226 01:02:41.239 --> 01:02:45.639 just trust. You just never know, and that's why mushrooms. 1227 01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:48.000 You ain't gonna go wrong with mushrooms. Right, like that 1228 01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:50.400 is probably one of the safer things that you can take. 1229 01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:51.320 It's natural. 1230 01:02:51.920 --> 01:02:53.559 They can lace mushrooms with fentanyl. 1231 01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:55.400 But at that point, like, dude, y'all are doing so 1232 01:02:55.480 --> 01:02:57.960 many extra steps for no fucking purpose. 1233 01:02:57.800 --> 01:03:03.000 And for what like you're not it's anyway. But anyway, 1234 01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:05.559 my uncle he was tripping on LSD one time. He 1235 01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:07.280 told me about this story and he said he was 1236 01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:10.880 at this party and he took this LSD and fucking 1237 01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:14.599 Miss pac Man showed up and and it it just 1238 01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:16.760 kept on going wanh wah wah wah wah wanh want 1239 01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:18.920 and it was just kept on trying to come at him. 1240 01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:21.360 And every time Miss pac Man would come towards him, 1241 01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:24.199 and he would just punt the fucking thing like way 1242 01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:26.880 down the road, and and then he would hear it 1243 01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:27.639 coming back like. 1244 01:03:30.320 --> 01:03:31.280 And he would punt the thing. 1245 01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:32.559 And it was an all night. 1246 01:03:32.360 --> 01:03:34.440 Thing and everybody was like, dude, what the fuck are 1247 01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:34.960 you doing? 1248 01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:36.960 And he's just kicking this. 1249 01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:39.760 Pac Man down the road. And so it is strange 1250 01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:42.840 how like these things are happening. I mean, I know 1251 01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:44.719 that that's kind of a weird thing. But your Mickey 1252 01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:48.320 Mouse sand thing, that's Steph party. See your boy tripping balls. 1253 01:03:48.360 --> 01:03:50.000 What are you doing, fucking miss pac Man? 1254 01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:52.960 Dude? Like, whatever you say, bro. 1255 01:03:53.639 --> 01:03:56.920 Well, another similar story that someone told me Steven Snyder. 1256 01:03:57.599 --> 01:04:01.440 He said that just opened his eyes basically everything is 1257 01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:05.519 one of his first profound experiences. He was on magic 1258 01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:08.800 mushrooms psilocybin, and it was actually towards the end of 1259 01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:11.639 his trip, and the whole trip, nothing really profound happened. 1260 01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:13.960 All he was seeing was like slight colors, a little 1261 01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:16.039 bit of you know, some things here and there, but 1262 01:04:16.079 --> 01:04:18.440 nothing really profound. But towards the end of the trip, 1263 01:04:18.519 --> 01:04:21.519 like the last hour, him and his friends had to 1264 01:04:21.559 --> 01:04:24.679 go for some reason to some kid's birthday party and 1265 01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:27.480 pick something up, and they were like, do you want 1266 01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:29.440 to come in and just chill out for a minute. 1267 01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:31.559 He's like, oh, it's a kid's birthday party. Oh got 1268 01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:33.960 him fucked up, all right. So he goes in there 1269 01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:37.400 and he said they had a fog machine going and 1270 01:04:37.480 --> 01:04:39.679 like it was really foggy, all the kids with. 1271 01:04:39.679 --> 01:04:41.079 Their parents playing everywhere. 1272 01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:44.800 Then all of a sudden he sees like seven foot 1273 01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:48.519 tall gray aliens amongst the crowd, like studying the kids 1274 01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:51.920 looking at him, doing these like weird experiments on him, 1275 01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:54.000 putting their hands over their heads, and there was like 1276 01:04:54.199 --> 01:04:57.599 a whole group of gray aliens within the midst just 1277 01:04:57.719 --> 01:04:59.719 walking around the kids. And then all of a sudden, 1278 01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:03.280 they looked at him and they like started communicating like 1279 01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:05.280 you're not supposed to see us? How can you see us? 1280 01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:08.239 And they're getting all angry and upset with him, and 1281 01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:10.239 they're like, you need to go, you can see us. 1282 01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:11.719 You got to get out of here, and he like 1283 01:05:12.199 --> 01:05:13.440 freaked him out and he left. 1284 01:05:13.480 --> 01:05:14.519 But that's crazy. 1285 01:05:14.679 --> 01:05:17.440 Oh my god, that's the guy we had on the 1286 01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:18.760 show too, on him and his wife. 1287 01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:24.119 Uh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, uh you're talking 1288 01:05:24.119 --> 01:05:26.719 about oh shit, acid for squares. 1289 01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:29.199 No, it's not the same guy. 1290 01:05:29.400 --> 01:05:33.000 Oh okay, okay, Yeah. That's a wild story though. 1291 01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:35.320 Could you imagine going, first of all, being that level 1292 01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:37.559 fucked up and going to a kid's birthday party that 1293 01:05:37.880 --> 01:05:40.480 in and of itself is just like you're asking for something, Yeah, 1294 01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:42.199 you know what I mean. Then you get there and 1295 01:05:42.239 --> 01:05:44.199 you see that type of shit like you need to leave. 1296 01:05:44.280 --> 01:05:47.679 It's like you're right, you are correct, I am not 1297 01:05:47.719 --> 01:05:50.480 supposed to be here, bro, which, my god. 1298 01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:53.480 Which is extra interesting too. Whenever we start diving into 1299 01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:56.400 dimensions and stuff like that. Me and Jacob kind of 1300 01:05:56.400 --> 01:05:59.159 had a little back and forth as far as all right, 1301 01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:02.679 if they're all are entities from another dimension, most people 1302 01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:05.800 believe so now. It used to be kind of a 1303 01:06:05.800 --> 01:06:08.840 fringe topic where some people believed other people didn't kind 1304 01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:10.519 of thing. But I feel like a lot of people 1305 01:06:10.599 --> 01:06:13.280 are really starting to come around that there's definitely something 1306 01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:15.960 going on. Call it from another planet, call it from 1307 01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:19.480 another dimension, another density, whatever like, call it from wherever. 1308 01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:23.960 It is something outside of what we thought. And you know, 1309 01:06:24.199 --> 01:06:27.199 whenever it comes to that, do you think that there 1310 01:06:27.239 --> 01:06:31.599 would be entities that would First off, why do you 1311 01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:34.639 think if they are, why do you think that they 1312 01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:39.039 would have any interest in us at all? And how 1313 01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:41.800 how would they even know that we're here if they're 1314 01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:44.880 on a whole other dimension? Like, we can't observe the 1315 01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:47.000 second or first dimension we like, I mean, we can 1316 01:06:47.039 --> 01:06:49.840 observe it, but we can we can imagine what it 1317 01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:52.039 would be like. But it's not like, you know, the 1318 01:06:52.119 --> 01:06:54.440 example that Jacob made. He drew a little stick figure 1319 01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:56.079 on a piece of paper that would be considered a 1320 01:06:56.119 --> 01:06:59.239 second dimension or entity, right, And it's not like that 1321 01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:02.800 thing's anime and come into life, so like, I don't 1322 01:07:02.840 --> 01:07:05.519 know if we can observe second dimension, But how is 1323 01:07:05.559 --> 01:07:09.159 it you know that other entities are seemingly coming from 1324 01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:12.480 different dimensions and are able to observe us, And do 1325 01:07:12.519 --> 01:07:14.280 you think that they would be of any help? 1326 01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:18.119 And why this is? This is my consideration. 1327 01:07:18.239 --> 01:07:21.559 It's a possibility amongst many, but it's something that I 1328 01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:23.639 have to consider heavily. 1329 01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:27.400 Is the possibility that what these entities. 1330 01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:33.079 Are are somewhat of which you might consider matrix maintenance workers. 1331 01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:34.000 They're here for us. 1332 01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:38.239 They are supposed to work in the shadows, work in 1333 01:07:38.280 --> 01:07:42.199 the background, either healing us, fixing things in the matrix, 1334 01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:46.400 regular maintenance work, or communicating with us, guiding us. And 1335 01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:49.280 each of them may have different jobs. I think all 1336 01:07:49.320 --> 01:07:52.079 these entities have a specific role to play, but they 1337 01:07:52.119 --> 01:07:54.440 are here for our evolution. I believe they have a 1338 01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:57.840 hand in our evolution, whether they are have a hand 1339 01:07:57.880 --> 01:08:02.199 in our creation, which they may be God's three D printers. 1340 01:08:02.239 --> 01:08:05.719 You know, these entities may be actually the physical things 1341 01:08:05.760 --> 01:08:08.639 working on us, or the etheric astral things that create 1342 01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:12.159 us out of matter, but they're sanctioned by something higher. 1343 01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:15.639 I think they're all sanctioned by a grand Creator to 1344 01:08:16.039 --> 01:08:18.199 work with us and be here with us and be 1345 01:08:18.319 --> 01:08:20.760 part of this reality. But we're not really supposed to 1346 01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:23.079 notice them. And when they do, they're like, get the 1347 01:08:23.079 --> 01:08:24.840 fuck out of here. You're not supposed to notice us. 1348 01:08:24.920 --> 01:08:26.800 Or when we go into these D and T realms 1349 01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:28.439 and like, what the hell are you doing here? You're 1350 01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:31.159 not supposed to be here. Things like that, we're not 1351 01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:34.079 supposed to know. But they're doing a certain job, and 1352 01:08:34.279 --> 01:08:37.399 essentially they're helping us. I believe they have the negative 1353 01:08:37.399 --> 01:08:40.439 ones as well that are working the opposite, trying to 1354 01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:45.079 maybe help us grow by throwing us the bad things 1355 01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:47.680 and seeing how we react to it. But that's kind 1356 01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:49.720 of where I'm at. I think it's all part of 1357 01:08:49.960 --> 01:08:57.039 our spiritual consciousness evolutions, paranormal soup of entities. 1358 01:08:57.159 --> 01:09:01.399 It's all like working together for a And I'll say, 1359 01:09:01.479 --> 01:09:03.840 you know, even and and I'm sure I'm gonna get 1360 01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:06.520 a little bit of pushback on this, but even like 1361 01:09:07.279 --> 01:09:10.439 the evil entities, demons, whatever you want to call them, 1362 01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:14.119 it always seems like, okay, yeah, whatever is going on 1363 01:09:14.159 --> 01:09:17.039 with them, Like if they're if they're torturing people or 1364 01:09:17.079 --> 01:09:20.399 making people fear feel fear or anxiety or depression or 1365 01:09:20.439 --> 01:09:22.640 thoughts of suicide or anything like that which you hear 1366 01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:26.680 a lot. Is it possible that that these things are 1367 01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:31.119 doing it for the for the higher good in a sense, 1368 01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:33.399 because you always hear like a lot of people that 1369 01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:37.680 have those experiences that then they shift their life into 1370 01:09:37.720 --> 01:09:41.840 a more you know, a more spiritual, a more inconnection 1371 01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:45.199 with God. Maybe they convert to a religion or something 1372 01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:48.600 like that, and it makes it seem more real to them. 1373 01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:51.199 You know, Jacob, We've talked about the story a million times, 1374 01:09:51.239 --> 01:09:54.000 but Jacob was visited by a demon, and you know, 1375 01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:57.399 you went through your your whole time and everything, but 1376 01:09:57.640 --> 01:10:02.239 you now you are a really aous person, not solely 1377 01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:05.119 because of your demonic and angel experience, but it absolutely 1378 01:10:05.119 --> 01:10:06.479 plays into it right. 1379 01:10:07.479 --> 01:10:08.960 In a degree. Sure. 1380 01:10:09.199 --> 01:10:11.720 But I mean I was religious before that happened, and 1381 01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:14.600 I was religious after that happened. And honestly, even whenever 1382 01:10:14.680 --> 01:10:16.960 I lost my faith, the demon was still following me. 1383 01:10:17.039 --> 01:10:19.000 So I guess, yeah, I can see where we're going 1384 01:10:19.039 --> 01:10:21.359 with this, because even after I lost my faith, I 1385 01:10:21.439 --> 01:10:23.960 was looking for something and I started diving into every 1386 01:10:23.960 --> 01:10:26.319 religion I could get my hands on, because something has 1387 01:10:26.359 --> 01:10:28.760 to explain this shit around us. Right to look at 1388 01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:31.880 all of existence and say there was no creator. That's 1389 01:10:32.119 --> 01:10:35.840 fucking retarded, Like I just out loud, mathematically that's stupid. 1390 01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:38.800 So in a way, yeah, I could see what you're saying. 1391 01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:43.000 I wonder if it is all the same thing that 1392 01:10:43.399 --> 01:10:46.640 they appear as demons when we need to learn lessons 1393 01:10:46.800 --> 01:10:50.039 or go through something, but they can transmute to angels 1394 01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:53.399 once that lesson has been learned, once we heal ourselves 1395 01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:55.920 in a certain way. And I've had these experiences where 1396 01:10:56.439 --> 01:10:59.960 nasty things would present themselves and their representations of like 1397 01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:02.399 childhood trauma or things that I ain't to work on 1398 01:11:02.479 --> 01:11:04.960 within myself, but they appeal as an appear as a 1399 01:11:05.039 --> 01:11:08.920 nasty demon. But if I like hug it and say 1400 01:11:08.920 --> 01:11:11.800 it's gonna be okay, and like beam love at it 1401 01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:15.079 and get through it and face it head on, it 1402 01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:17.640 changes into something else. It changes like to this light 1403 01:11:17.720 --> 01:11:20.880 being or this beautiful energy that wraps itself around me 1404 01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:24.479 and then you know, engulfs me in this light and 1405 01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:28.319 then that negative feeling associated with is just gone. It 1406 01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:30.439 just you know, out of my life. And I think 1407 01:11:31.079 --> 01:11:34.159 that may be what we're dealing with. These negative energies 1408 01:11:34.279 --> 01:11:38.640 are just representations of things that we need to take 1409 01:11:38.680 --> 01:11:39.880 care of in our lives. 1410 01:11:40.039 --> 01:11:42.880 Well, and we live in a dualistic world too, Like 1411 01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:46.960 we look at everything and we assign it good or evil. 1412 01:11:47.399 --> 01:11:49.560 That's that's just how our minds were really brought up. 1413 01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:51.800 Maybe that was because of Disney movies. I don't fucking know, 1414 01:11:52.319 --> 01:11:54.439 But that's also subjective too in its own right. 1415 01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:58.359 Correct. Oh yeah, Like, So to your point, Chris, I'm 1416 01:11:58.359 --> 01:12:00.680 not saying that I disagree with with what you're saying 1417 01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:02.479 as far as like a fourth dimension or a fifth 1418 01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:05.119 dimensional entity coming to this realm being kind of like 1419 01:12:05.119 --> 01:12:07.479 the maintenance workers in a sense. And okay, I could 1420 01:12:07.520 --> 01:12:08.560 at least get down with this. 1421 01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:11.319 And again I don't necessarily think those are angels and demons, 1422 01:12:11.359 --> 01:12:15.359 possibly not negating that possibility, but not necessarily either. 1423 01:12:15.399 --> 01:12:18.359 But I think those terms are really subjective to just fair. 1424 01:12:18.520 --> 01:12:21.079 Fair. But okay, so the whole good versus evil? What 1425 01:12:21.399 --> 01:12:22.880 is good? What is evil? 1426 01:12:22.920 --> 01:12:23.119 Now? 1427 01:12:23.159 --> 01:12:26.600 We have a societal image that we have, you know, 1428 01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:29.000 made in our own minds of what isn't all out 1429 01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:30.279 good versus an all out evil. 1430 01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:32.399 But let me throw out an example here. 1431 01:12:32.439 --> 01:12:35.119 So we got a scientist out there, some sort of 1432 01:12:35.199 --> 01:12:39.319 a lab guy doing DNA splicing on primates. Okay, the 1433 01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:42.640 monkey in the cage as he's getting blood extracted from him, 1434 01:12:43.239 --> 01:12:45.560 I don't know if he sees the scientists as necessarily 1435 01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:48.960 good or necessarily evil. Maybe it's causing him pain. Maybe 1436 01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:50.600 it's the guy that gives him bananas and he sees 1437 01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:52.880 it as a benevolent force. Either way it goes. The 1438 01:12:52.920 --> 01:12:56.399 scientist isn't trying to help the monkey. He's doing work 1439 01:12:56.439 --> 01:12:58.640 and he needs something from the monkey. You see what 1440 01:12:58.640 --> 01:13:02.520 I'm saying now, same conversation, that scientists might be doing 1441 01:13:02.520 --> 01:13:06.920 some sort of a gene splice to fix monkey cancer 1442 01:13:07.239 --> 01:13:09.680 or something like that, and that's why he needs this DNA. 1443 01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:12.600 It's equally possible that he is developing a poison and 1444 01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:15.560 he's using the monkey's DNA to test how lethal it 1445 01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:19.880 really is. So it's like good, bad, evil, or benevolent. 1446 01:13:19.960 --> 01:13:22.800 These are subjective titles, right. So when we have these 1447 01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:26.720 interdimensional beings that are coming here, that's always been my thing, 1448 01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:29.359 like why would they come here. I'm not of the 1449 01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:31.800 belief that they are here to help humanity, but I'm 1450 01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:34.680 also not the belief they're here to hurt humanity. I 1451 01:13:34.720 --> 01:13:38.239 think they're like you said, workers doing a job, and 1452 01:13:38.399 --> 01:13:41.520 maybe that sometimes reigns good. Sometimes maybe that reiins bad. 1453 01:13:41.840 --> 01:13:44.760 But what is good or bad from our scope on 1454 01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:45.600 their work? 1455 01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:46.520 You see what I'm saying. 1456 01:13:46.720 --> 01:13:50.319 Don't the scientists explain gene splicing to the Champanzee? The 1457 01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:54.600 champ has no brain power to even conceive the base level, 1458 01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:56.680 let alone the level of work that the scientist is 1459 01:13:56.720 --> 01:13:57.439 doing on him. 1460 01:13:57.600 --> 01:13:58.239 You see what I mean. 1461 01:13:58.279 --> 01:14:01.319 So it's like, how would this fourth their dimensional entity 1462 01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:04.560 explain to us, Yeah, this is gonna help you or 1463 01:14:04.600 --> 01:14:06.399 now this is gonna hurt you or bro, You're not 1464 01:14:06.560 --> 01:14:08.199 You're just a part of the subject matter. 1465 01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:10.039 Like this isn't for or against you, this is for 1466 01:14:10.159 --> 01:14:13.680 my shit, Like I don't know. It's so open to interpretation, 1467 01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:14.079 you know. 1468 01:14:14.239 --> 01:14:17.840 But don't you think that it's also possible that well 1469 01:14:17.920 --> 01:14:20.600 not even also possible. It's of my belief that everything 1470 01:14:20.880 --> 01:14:24.039 goes as it should, everything works as it should. It's 1471 01:14:24.039 --> 01:14:27.239 almost like the perfect game of Tetris, Like there's never 1472 01:14:27.319 --> 01:14:30.159 going to be a block that's misaligned. You're you're always 1473 01:14:30.199 --> 01:14:32.600 gonna get the exact shape that you need to fall 1474 01:14:32.600 --> 01:14:35.840 into the right spot. Like I feel like we don't 1475 01:14:35.880 --> 01:14:39.640 see that from a materialistic, physical kind of human standpoint. 1476 01:14:40.039 --> 01:14:42.560 But if you if you look at it as a whole, 1477 01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:46.319 and and and if you look at all the dimensions 1478 01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:47.920 and all that kind of stuff, I would have to 1479 01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:53.039 believe that every single thing that happens in this life 1480 01:14:53.119 --> 01:14:56.800 is somehow affecting other dimensions, right, I mean, that's that's 1481 01:14:57.199 --> 01:15:01.000 and that's always the story. Whenever you hear about you know, 1482 01:15:01.119 --> 01:15:07.000 aliens over military bases and possibly disarming Adam Baumb's and 1483 01:15:07.039 --> 01:15:09.560 stuff like that. I've heard stories about that. And so 1484 01:15:09.800 --> 01:15:12.640 do you think that whatever happens in this reality would 1485 01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:15.880 send ripples throughout the other domensia to. 1486 01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:19.399 A more extreme level that what we're experiencing now is 1487 01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:23.760 also playing out in the astral realms as a very 1488 01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:24.640 similar thing. 1489 01:15:24.760 --> 01:15:27.279 We have an astral body. We're doing something. 1490 01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:31.840 Similar as above, so below representation of the physical realm, 1491 01:15:32.199 --> 01:15:34.640 but it's also being played out in the astral realms. 1492 01:15:34.640 --> 01:15:37.039 And I think this goes to a world stage as well, 1493 01:15:37.079 --> 01:15:41.760 with politics and all the nonsense that's occurring. Those entities, 1494 01:15:41.840 --> 01:15:45.840 those beings, those people are also in those astral realms 1495 01:15:46.199 --> 01:15:49.239 playing their roles, doing something that has an effect in 1496 01:15:49.279 --> 01:15:53.239 the material and vice versa. So I think what's everything 1497 01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:56.680 we're experiencing now is also unfolding in a different realm, 1498 01:15:56.880 --> 01:15:59.920 just in a different way, you know, a more inn 1499 01:16:00.239 --> 01:16:05.800 jetic representation that can even affect the material things, and 1500 01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:08.000 we can tap into either or a belief. 1501 01:16:08.439 --> 01:16:09.039 I think it's. 1502 01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:12.319 Possible for sure that what we do in this dimension 1503 01:16:12.680 --> 01:16:14.920 will ripple effect out to the fourth and the fifth 1504 01:16:14.920 --> 01:16:17.159 and whatever else, and equally what they do in the 1505 01:16:17.199 --> 01:16:20.119 fifth will ripple down to this one in a very 1506 01:16:20.159 --> 01:16:20.840 similar way. 1507 01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:21.560 It's possible. 1508 01:16:22.159 --> 01:16:25.159 But I'm also not negating, because that's the thing I 1509 01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:28.039 try to not have main character syndrome. And I don't 1510 01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:30.840 mean that on a personal level, but like humans can 1511 01:16:30.880 --> 01:16:33.880 only think about human problems because that is the extent 1512 01:16:33.960 --> 01:16:37.359 of our knowledge base, right, But that's to think that 1513 01:16:37.399 --> 01:16:39.920 we are the main characters of this narrative, and it's 1514 01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:42.279 very possible that we are a flea on a dog's 1515 01:16:42.359 --> 01:16:44.720 ass and the grand scheme of shit like in the 1516 01:16:44.800 --> 01:16:47.239 real things, Like we have the audacity to think that 1517 01:16:47.319 --> 01:16:50.520 mother Earth is mad at us for making plastic bags. Dude, 1518 01:16:50.520 --> 01:16:53.119 mother Earth has been through so many fucking ice ages 1519 01:16:53.159 --> 01:16:55.039 and comet impacts and all this shit. 1520 01:16:55.119 --> 01:16:56.960 It will destroy us, Like. 1521 01:16:56.920 --> 01:16:58.880 The fleas that we are when the time comes right, 1522 01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:02.520 We're not killing the earth. She's fine, now that's being said. 1523 01:17:02.600 --> 01:17:05.239 The thing's happening on the fifth dimension for us to 1524 01:17:05.279 --> 01:17:08.239 think that what we do directly affects them, and like 1525 01:17:08.279 --> 01:17:12.880 in a big way. Possibly, very possibly. I don't necessarily 1526 01:17:12.880 --> 01:17:15.159 believe that, though, But I also think that that goes 1527 01:17:15.199 --> 01:17:18.239 two ways, right, the same way whenever you drop a 1528 01:17:18.239 --> 01:17:21.359 pebble in water, right, there is a ripple that creates 1529 01:17:21.399 --> 01:17:23.399 out of that. But again, we're only talking about something 1530 01:17:23.439 --> 01:17:26.199 in the precipice of a three D reality. I have 1531 01:17:26.239 --> 01:17:28.920 no idea if dropping that pebble in the water resonates 1532 01:17:28.960 --> 01:17:31.600 into the fourth dimension or to the ninth or whatever. 1533 01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:33.520 Well, it's possible though, for sure. 1534 01:17:33.680 --> 01:17:37.079 And here's how it all comes full circle. And I 1535 01:17:37.119 --> 01:17:39.600 love that you brought up it's possible that we're a 1536 01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:43.479 flea on some kind of cosmic entity or whatever, right, 1537 01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:45.079 And that reminded me. 1538 01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:47.119 Of thing where we were all inside of that marble 1539 01:17:47.199 --> 01:17:49.000 that the Aliens were playing with at the end of it. 1540 01:17:49.000 --> 01:17:51.479 They didn't even realize what was inside of their glass marble. 1541 01:17:51.560 --> 01:17:54.720 Could be could be sure, But let's say that it 1542 01:17:54.760 --> 01:17:56.159 is we are a flea. 1543 01:17:56.279 --> 01:17:59.039 Let's say that. Well, there was actually a quote in 1544 01:17:59.119 --> 01:18:01.279 the new Lion King movie about scar Have you seen 1545 01:18:01.279 --> 01:18:01.920 that movie yet? 1546 01:18:02.680 --> 01:18:03.800 I've seen portions of it. 1547 01:18:03.920 --> 01:18:07.319 Super good. I really loved it. But Rafiki the y 1548 01:18:07.479 --> 01:18:11.960 sage himself says, a flea can trouble a lion more 1549 01:18:12.199 --> 01:18:16.119 than a lion can trouble a flea. Oh yeah, right, 1550 01:18:16.399 --> 01:18:19.359 So it just gets it goes to show that everything 1551 01:18:19.840 --> 01:18:26.039 has its place everything, you know, everything always works congruently together, 1552 01:18:26.199 --> 01:18:28.760 everything is like and so that's that's what I think. 1553 01:18:28.800 --> 01:18:30.359 I think that it's all really happening at the same 1554 01:18:30.439 --> 01:18:33.159 time one more time and take us to the dark side. 1555 01:18:33.239 --> 01:18:37.039 Because there's always this possibility. I don't jive with it. 1556 01:18:37.159 --> 01:18:39.640 I don't really align with it at all, although I've 1557 01:18:39.680 --> 01:18:43.399 considered it and it's caused me some stress in the past. 1558 01:18:43.479 --> 01:18:46.359 But the possibility that we're just cattle, we are just 1559 01:18:46.479 --> 01:18:50.199 food for entities, and we have been developed and farmed 1560 01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:52.600 so that we could be just that. And the more 1561 01:18:52.640 --> 01:18:55.239 intellectual and smart we are, the more tasty we are 1562 01:18:55.319 --> 01:18:57.720 as food, and the more fear we give out, the 1563 01:18:57.720 --> 01:19:01.920 more powerful beings we are, the more like energy we get, 1564 01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:04.880 the more tasty like a Filet Mignon. We are to 1565 01:19:04.960 --> 01:19:08.600 these arconic entities, and that could be. That could be 1566 01:19:08.680 --> 01:19:11.319 it will just be recycled to be eaten up again 1567 01:19:11.439 --> 01:19:12.239 through that cycle. 1568 01:19:12.640 --> 01:19:15.159 I don't jive with it, but it is a possibility. 1569 01:19:15.399 --> 01:19:15.600 Yeah. 1570 01:19:15.720 --> 01:19:18.800 I mean that gets into the whole global literacy higher 1571 01:19:18.840 --> 01:19:21.640 now than there was a thousand years ago, for instance, right, 1572 01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:22.920 and how modern medicine. 1573 01:19:22.920 --> 01:19:24.079 And I don't mean just like big farm. 1574 01:19:24.199 --> 01:19:26.199 I mean like us knowing that, like when we get 1575 01:19:26.239 --> 01:19:28.079 a fever, it's not because God's mad at us. It's 1576 01:19:28.079 --> 01:19:30.279 probably because we ate something we shouldn't have. You see 1577 01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:33.119 what I'm saying. So like I could see a realm 1578 01:19:33.159 --> 01:19:36.319 where we are being farmed alien ant farm a bit, 1579 01:19:36.359 --> 01:19:40.079 but yes, to that realm to where it's not necessarily 1580 01:19:40.079 --> 01:19:42.359 our meat that they're after, but it's our brain power. 1581 01:19:42.439 --> 01:19:45.119 It's our uh, what's what's the worst? 1582 01:19:45.239 --> 01:19:46.960 Are loosh? 1583 01:19:47.039 --> 01:19:48.720 There you go? Or whatever the case is. 1584 01:19:48.800 --> 01:19:51.199 Yeah, And that only works if people are more aware 1585 01:19:51.319 --> 01:19:55.159 and more intelligent to understand how volatile everything is. Right 1586 01:19:55.199 --> 01:19:58.560 that old adage ignorance is bliss. So you notice the 1587 01:19:58.600 --> 01:20:00.640 dummies of the world just kind of and I don't 1588 01:20:00.680 --> 01:20:02.680 mean just every person. I mean people who like go 1589 01:20:02.760 --> 01:20:05.159 out of their way to stay dumb and stay ignorant 1590 01:20:05.319 --> 01:20:06.359 because like they just don't. 1591 01:20:06.159 --> 01:20:07.319 Want to hear about it. They don't want to learn 1592 01:20:07.319 --> 01:20:07.960 about nonhe theyn't. 1593 01:20:08.640 --> 01:20:10.840 Hey, we all lived in Louisiana. We know I'm people. 1594 01:20:12.640 --> 01:20:14.760 But like the NPCs of the world, do you realize 1595 01:20:14.840 --> 01:20:17.600 nothing really fucks with them? Like they never have some 1596 01:20:17.640 --> 01:20:20.439 sort of extra body experience, They never have entities from 1597 01:20:20.479 --> 01:20:23.560 another dimension or from spirituality, come fuck with them. 1598 01:20:23.960 --> 01:20:26.600 They also never have a lot of stress or anxiety 1599 01:20:26.640 --> 01:20:28.359 in their life either. I wonder, do you see what 1600 01:20:28.399 --> 01:20:31.119 I mean? That ignorance is blissing kind of goes both ways. 1601 01:20:31.239 --> 01:20:34.119 Also, I will say this because I've run into a 1602 01:20:34.159 --> 01:20:37.920 fair amount of NPCs. I claim myself. I believe that 1603 01:20:37.960 --> 01:20:40.159 I used to be an NPC until I woke up, 1604 01:20:41.279 --> 01:20:44.319 and I think that, you know, there used to be 1605 01:20:44.399 --> 01:20:47.039 certain things that would agitate me and I would get 1606 01:20:47.039 --> 01:20:49.439 all upset about and stuff like that. But now that 1607 01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:52.520 I feel like I have evolved from my NPC form, 1608 01:20:52.880 --> 01:20:55.359 I can see things a little bit bigger picture and 1609 01:20:55.520 --> 01:20:59.439 I'm not necessarily totally compartmentalized to where the tiniest little 1610 01:20:59.439 --> 01:21:01.640 things are not going to you know, upset me by 1611 01:21:01.720 --> 01:21:05.199 any means. But anyway, look, I Chris, I did want 1612 01:21:05.239 --> 01:21:08.119 to get back to your documentary here. Could you tell 1613 01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:11.439 us a story or two about, you know, some of 1614 01:21:11.520 --> 01:21:14.760 the some of the testimonies that you've heard that that 1615 01:21:14.880 --> 01:21:18.840 led you to create this documentary called The Doors a Perception. 1616 01:21:19.960 --> 01:21:22.720 Oh well, I had you know a couple of people 1617 01:21:22.760 --> 01:21:26.640 who have had abduction experiences. I had Vicki Joy Anderson. 1618 01:21:26.760 --> 01:21:32.439 She writes about sleep paralysis. She talked about the possibilities 1619 01:21:32.560 --> 01:21:36.359 that when we're experiencing sleep paralysis, that we are experiencing 1620 01:21:36.600 --> 01:21:41.800 entity contact. She's taken a few steps further in her research. 1621 01:21:41.840 --> 01:21:45.279 She's been interviewing and writing about sleep paralysis for a 1622 01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:48.520 long time, talking to people who've experienced it a wide range. 1623 01:21:49.039 --> 01:21:52.600 Interestingly enough, she believes that the phenomena is also shifting 1624 01:21:52.720 --> 01:21:57.000 as consciousness shifts, as our technology grows. She said, many 1625 01:21:57.079 --> 01:22:01.000 of these sleep paralysis encounters are they used to be 1626 01:22:01.159 --> 01:22:04.199 more of the shadow people, the hat man, the succubis, 1627 01:22:04.319 --> 01:22:07.319 these demonic entities that would show up and you'd be paralyzed. 1628 01:22:07.960 --> 01:22:12.359 Now she's saying that it is turning into more plasma beings, cyborgs, 1629 01:22:12.439 --> 01:22:17.159 technological entities, things like that. That are approaching people during 1630 01:22:17.199 --> 01:22:23.920 these sleep paralysis states. They're also more highly sexually charged encounters. 1631 01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:29.439 She claims, of the homosexual type of variety during these encounters, 1632 01:22:29.439 --> 01:22:34.079 which very very strange. So we didn't get really into 1633 01:22:34.119 --> 01:22:36.880 that in the movie. She kind of just basically gave 1634 01:22:37.079 --> 01:22:39.039 her sleep paralysis story. 1635 01:22:38.760 --> 01:22:40.399 And what she believes is really going on. 1636 01:22:40.479 --> 01:22:44.520 She believes, in her perspectives, it's demonic forces. She believes 1637 01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:48.760 the whole extraterrestrial phenomena is partially the same thing that 1638 01:22:48.880 --> 01:22:51.279 we are being taken in our dreams and experimented on. 1639 01:22:51.319 --> 01:22:54.680 There's a hybridization program actually that stems from it that 1640 01:22:55.479 --> 01:23:00.159 whatever these entities are using our DNA to blend with 1641 01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:02.960 the human race in certain ways, and she believes certain 1642 01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:07.039 people are being born now somewhat possessed in a way. 1643 01:23:07.520 --> 01:23:10.239 So she goes very deep into her research. We didn't 1644 01:23:10.239 --> 01:23:13.760 go that deep into part one. She'll probably be returning 1645 01:23:13.800 --> 01:23:15.720 in part two and we'll get a little deeper into 1646 01:23:15.760 --> 01:23:19.600 that stuff. But yeah, we did sleep paralysis. I had 1647 01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:23.079 my own sleep paralysis experiences that I discussed in the film, 1648 01:23:24.479 --> 01:23:28.079 and yeah, she did a great job. But also we 1649 01:23:28.119 --> 01:23:30.680 had do you have you guys talked to Karen Wilkinson. 1650 01:23:31.079 --> 01:23:33.159 Yeah, yeah, Evil Harvest. 1651 01:23:33.199 --> 01:23:36.159 Yes, she told her story about and and you know 1652 01:23:36.239 --> 01:23:40.880 her thoughts on the extraterrestrial phenomena. But I also weaved 1653 01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:46.680 in people's very positive experiences with extraterrestrials and spirits. And 1654 01:23:47.359 --> 01:23:51.079 I also had Trey Hudson on to give his theories 1655 01:23:51.359 --> 01:23:56.920 on the ultraterrestrial possibilities. How these you know, beings may 1656 01:23:56.960 --> 01:23:59.560 reside in different dimensions and like we're saying, could be 1657 01:23:59.600 --> 01:24:04.880 one great and intelligence presenting itself as something else as 1658 01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:08.800 we can perceive it. And let's see. We had our 1659 01:24:08.840 --> 01:24:12.760 friend Brandon Thomas on talk a little bit also about 1660 01:24:13.479 --> 01:24:17.319 UFOs and the abduction, and a little bit about psychedelics. 1661 01:24:18.439 --> 01:24:21.239 Had Lindsay Sharman she talks about talked a little bit 1662 01:24:21.239 --> 01:24:25.560 about the afterlife and near death experiences. We had the 1663 01:24:25.640 --> 01:24:29.359 late great Jim Willis, which the film was dedicated to. 1664 01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:30.880 He talked about. 1665 01:24:30.680 --> 01:24:34.960 Near death experiences and the afterlife, and he said something 1666 01:24:35.119 --> 01:24:38.119 very interesting that some hospitals are starting to do. They're 1667 01:24:38.159 --> 01:24:42.079 starting to put signs on the ceiling that say go 1668 01:24:42.159 --> 01:24:45.600 back the other way, because when people leave their body, 1669 01:24:45.640 --> 01:24:47.720 they can see the sign and if they see it, 1670 01:24:47.840 --> 01:24:51.560 he believes it might help deter them from wanting to 1671 01:24:51.680 --> 01:24:54.840 leave the body and remind them that they are they 1672 01:24:54.880 --> 01:24:58.239 need to go back. And there are some studies that 1673 01:24:58.319 --> 01:25:00.880 claim that this is actually working for people who are 1674 01:25:01.439 --> 01:25:04.159 having these near death experiences. They're seeing the sign, they 1675 01:25:04.159 --> 01:25:06.039 claim to see it, and they go back into their 1676 01:25:06.079 --> 01:25:09.000 body and they're able to to kind of come back easier, 1677 01:25:09.039 --> 01:25:10.159 which is pretty interesting. 1678 01:25:10.359 --> 01:25:16.560 Wow, that is crazy that like, and and I've seen 1679 01:25:16.600 --> 01:25:19.840 stuff like that about how you know, uh, like you'll 1680 01:25:19.880 --> 01:25:22.199 hear Neil Neil de grass Tyson say this ship, which 1681 01:25:22.239 --> 01:25:24.239 is I have such a huge bone to pick with him. 1682 01:25:24.239 --> 01:25:27.359 I just really don't like the guy. But he says 1683 01:25:27.399 --> 01:25:29.039 that he doesn't believe in any of this shit. If 1684 01:25:29.039 --> 01:25:32.880 people are having out of body experiences in hospitals, then uh, 1685 01:25:32.920 --> 01:25:35.479 then they should be able to prove it a little 1686 01:25:35.479 --> 01:25:38.439 bit more than what they're able to although and that's 1687 01:25:38.479 --> 01:25:40.680 the thing. They are able to approve a lot of this. 1688 01:25:40.800 --> 01:25:43.560 You'll hear people having these out of body experiences on 1689 01:25:43.720 --> 01:25:47.239 hospital beds. Maybe they're, you know, at death's door. They 1690 01:25:47.239 --> 01:25:51.239 could go one way or another, and uh, they'll they'll 1691 01:25:51.399 --> 01:25:55.199 peer in on conversations that are going on in other 1692 01:25:55.560 --> 01:25:58.520 in other rooms, like in the hallway, they're able to 1693 01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:00.640 Oh yeah, you were talking about the smell of the 1694 01:26:00.720 --> 01:26:03.960 flowers and you were really sad that I couldn't be 1695 01:26:04.079 --> 01:26:07.439 here to smell them or something like that, Right, And 1696 01:26:07.640 --> 01:26:09.119 you know, the people wake up and they tell these 1697 01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:13.239 stories and the people are absolutely mind blown. Like so 1698 01:26:13.319 --> 01:26:16.840 there's definitely something going on there, these out of body experiences. 1699 01:26:18.159 --> 01:26:19.000 I love. 1700 01:26:19.199 --> 01:26:22.039 I love that that's a thing. And to me, you know, 1701 01:26:22.159 --> 01:26:24.439 I kind of been on this this kind of spiritual 1702 01:26:24.479 --> 01:26:27.439 journey and just trying to figure out what's true and 1703 01:26:27.439 --> 01:26:30.600 what's not, Like, what's possible and what's impossible. That's what 1704 01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:32.479 I want to know. Like, I'm not so much. I 1705 01:26:32.479 --> 01:26:35.640 don't I don't care about the certain restrictions that people say, 1706 01:26:35.760 --> 01:26:39.319 don't do, don't listen to whatever. I mean, sure, i'll 1707 01:26:39.359 --> 01:26:41.920 heed guidance. I don't plan on doing blood magic anytime soon. 1708 01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:46.000 But but I do think that the mechanism of how 1709 01:26:46.079 --> 01:26:49.239 it is working and how they're proving that it does 1710 01:26:49.319 --> 01:26:54.760 work in any kind of you know, spiritual background overlay, whatever, 1711 01:26:55.079 --> 01:26:57.039 how they're able to prove a lot of this stuff 1712 01:26:57.119 --> 01:26:59.319 is very significant. I mean so much so, dude, I 1713 01:26:59.319 --> 01:27:01.479 did a money spell and the next day, I made 1714 01:27:01.479 --> 01:27:04.239 the most money I've ever made in my life, Like, like, 1715 01:27:04.399 --> 01:27:05.359 is that coincidence? 1716 01:27:06.319 --> 01:27:06.520 You know? 1717 01:27:06.720 --> 01:27:09.640 Like, and so I don't know, I've actually we have 1718 01:27:09.680 --> 01:27:11.880 a we have a couple of buddies, Lord Byron, Jester 1719 01:27:12.079 --> 01:27:15.640 and l the Alchemist. Lord Byron's the fucking man. I 1720 01:27:15.680 --> 01:27:18.159 love that guy. But he believes that it's our divine 1721 01:27:18.279 --> 01:27:21.960 right to uh to hone in on our magic abilities 1722 01:27:22.520 --> 01:27:24.640 and so and I know that some people look at 1723 01:27:24.640 --> 01:27:27.279 it and they say, well, it's absolutely not real, or 1724 01:27:27.520 --> 01:27:28.960 they say that you're just playing in the dark and 1725 01:27:28.960 --> 01:27:32.479 you shouldn't be playing with that totally understandable. But just 1726 01:27:32.520 --> 01:27:35.079 the fact that these things are happening and it's not 1727 01:27:35.199 --> 01:27:38.520 just make believe. That's that's what trips me out the most, 1728 01:27:38.640 --> 01:27:41.199 because you know, you you grow up and you want 1729 01:27:41.199 --> 01:27:43.119 to believe in this kind of stuff, and then you 1730 01:27:43.119 --> 01:27:45.680 see it in movies and Harry Potter and Matilda and 1731 01:27:45.720 --> 01:27:47.840 shit like that, and maybe it doesn't happen like that, 1732 01:27:47.960 --> 01:27:50.159 and so you you get a little sad that you 1733 01:27:50.199 --> 01:27:55.000 can't move a plate off of your counter with you know, 1734 01:27:55.079 --> 01:27:59.880 your telekinesis or whatever. But yeah, dude, I think that. 1735 01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:02.199 But the world is opening up to all these kind 1736 01:28:02.239 --> 01:28:06.239 of possibilities, right, and it's it is awesome that that 1737 01:28:06.319 --> 01:28:08.680 it's not so looked down upon anymore. 1738 01:28:09.520 --> 01:28:14.159 I'm pretty sure that we utilize what's considered magic all 1739 01:28:14.279 --> 01:28:16.920 the time in our lives. And I think the line 1740 01:28:16.920 --> 01:28:19.680 that I would draw where something that I wouldn't mess 1741 01:28:19.720 --> 01:28:21.880 with as opposed to something I use on a daily 1742 01:28:21.920 --> 01:28:27.880 basis is utilizing outside intelligences or entities to work with, 1743 01:28:28.039 --> 01:28:31.600 like working with spirits. I don't really subscribe to that. 1744 01:28:32.000 --> 01:28:34.479 I think that there could be danger in that. The 1745 01:28:34.560 --> 01:28:36.920 kind of magic that I would do would be more 1746 01:28:37.079 --> 01:28:42.479 intention kind of energy based manifestation based on my own 1747 01:28:43.159 --> 01:28:45.800 energy and what I believe I can put out there. 1748 01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:50.239 And I use my connection with Christ and God, and 1749 01:28:50.279 --> 01:28:53.840 I pray for things and I ask God. And that's 1750 01:28:53.880 --> 01:28:56.840 the only outside type of entity that I'm going with, 1751 01:28:56.880 --> 01:29:00.359 because in my perspective, we're all fractals of God. It's 1752 01:29:00.359 --> 01:29:03.560 all where all Him, He's us. And that's cool. We 1753 01:29:03.640 --> 01:29:07.399 can go straight to that source for that divine magic 1754 01:29:07.479 --> 01:29:10.399 and power and inspiration and manifestation. But once we start 1755 01:29:10.479 --> 01:29:15.239 asking for you know, Lucifer's help or Beelzebub or any 1756 01:29:15.279 --> 01:29:18.760 type of spiritual entity that can do magic and get 1757 01:29:18.840 --> 01:29:22.439 us money and power whatever else. That's when the problems 1758 01:29:22.479 --> 01:29:24.600 come in. But I don't know, I could be wrong. 1759 01:29:24.680 --> 01:29:27.319 What do you think that causes, like like bad karma 1760 01:29:27.920 --> 01:29:29.159 or something like that. 1761 01:29:29.159 --> 01:29:31.000 You owe them something. I think it's a give and 1762 01:29:31.039 --> 01:29:33.600 take relationship. I think once you reach out to something 1763 01:29:33.600 --> 01:29:36.800 out there, they automatically will be expecting something from you, 1764 01:29:37.479 --> 01:29:39.600 And there's often deception involved. 1765 01:29:39.960 --> 01:29:41.520 There's often things. 1766 01:29:41.239 --> 01:29:43.279 That you know you may not get what you're really 1767 01:29:43.399 --> 01:29:45.479 asking for, and you may be on the hook for 1768 01:29:45.560 --> 01:29:48.279 a lot more than you thought. So you never really 1769 01:29:48.399 --> 01:29:51.279 know what you're kind of dealing with when you're reaching 1770 01:29:51.279 --> 01:29:53.560 out to these spirits, especially if they're not what you 1771 01:29:53.600 --> 01:29:54.079 think they are. 1772 01:29:54.119 --> 01:29:55.560 But isn't that what the offerings are for? 1773 01:29:57.319 --> 01:29:59.960 The offerings are more of go ahead, Chris, I want to. 1774 01:30:00.399 --> 01:30:00.760 Well, I don't. 1775 01:30:00.760 --> 01:30:04.399 I mean, I've never really messed with offerings or communion 1776 01:30:04.479 --> 01:30:08.279 with spirits or anything like that, not willingly or knowingly. 1777 01:30:08.920 --> 01:30:11.239 But as far as I'm concerned, they do have the 1778 01:30:11.359 --> 01:30:15.720 benevolent like forest spirits and elves or whatever, that you 1779 01:30:15.760 --> 01:30:18.560 can offer them food and maybe they'll take care of 1780 01:30:18.640 --> 01:30:21.119 your property for you. Things like kind of like simple 1781 01:30:21.159 --> 01:30:24.399 give and take I'm sure there's maybe some danger there. 1782 01:30:24.439 --> 01:30:27.079 I don't know, but I'm talking more along the lines 1783 01:30:27.079 --> 01:30:30.119 of magical practices. Trying to achieve something in your life, 1784 01:30:30.159 --> 01:30:33.039 to better your life or gain power or something like that, 1785 01:30:33.239 --> 01:30:36.159 usually have to reach out to something else to give 1786 01:30:36.159 --> 01:30:38.159 you a little assistance with that. And I think that 1787 01:30:39.039 --> 01:30:41.520 most times you probably owe that thing more than you know. 1788 01:30:42.800 --> 01:30:45.920 I'm I'm of the same belief, honestly, and the offerings 1789 01:30:45.920 --> 01:30:49.960 to me are more like you're signing on the dotted line. Okay, 1790 01:30:50.000 --> 01:30:53.079 that's more or less you putting yourself on the hook. 1791 01:30:53.119 --> 01:30:54.640 And while you think you may have read all the 1792 01:30:54.680 --> 01:30:57.479 fine print, I don't think that many people actually do. 1793 01:30:57.600 --> 01:31:00.359 So you think that's like the down payment the other. 1794 01:31:00.279 --> 01:31:02.359 Thing too, even with like intention based stuff. 1795 01:31:02.359 --> 01:31:04.479 And I don't know what you mean exactly by that, Chris, 1796 01:31:04.520 --> 01:31:05.840 but I've heard a lot of people say, like when 1797 01:31:05.880 --> 01:31:08.800 they go into the meditative realm, for instance, they put 1798 01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:11.920 out the intention and they'll say nothing negative can affect 1799 01:31:11.960 --> 01:31:13.840 me right now, because I'm not gonna allow it. 1800 01:31:13.920 --> 01:31:15.960 Only good can be let in. Blah bah bah bap. 1801 01:31:16.800 --> 01:31:19.720 And to me that kind of sounds silly. That's like 1802 01:31:19.800 --> 01:31:22.199 putting a no gun sign on the outside of a 1803 01:31:22.239 --> 01:31:24.760 store and then like, what do you mean people still 1804 01:31:24.760 --> 01:31:26.880 have guns when they come in there, there's a sign 1805 01:31:27.319 --> 01:31:29.359 the owner put it up. You can't do that. 1806 01:31:29.439 --> 01:31:31.600 Yeah, except reality doesn't give a fuck, you know what 1807 01:31:31.600 --> 01:31:33.720 I mean. That's it's kind of that same vibe. Like 1808 01:31:34.039 --> 01:31:36.760 you can put out all the positive vibes you want, 1809 01:31:36.880 --> 01:31:39.359 if a negatividity wants your ass, there's nothing you could 1810 01:31:39.359 --> 01:31:41.000 do to stop that, no matter how much of a 1811 01:31:41.000 --> 01:31:42.840 wall or a barrier you think you put up. 1812 01:31:42.920 --> 01:31:44.920 Well, that's the same thing as like putting on like 1813 01:31:44.920 --> 01:31:46.319 the arm of armor of God. 1814 01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:47.560 That's yeah. 1815 01:31:47.560 --> 01:31:50.199 I think it has more to do with what your 1816 01:31:50.319 --> 01:31:54.239 what you are really made of, what your pure intentions are, 1817 01:31:54.279 --> 01:31:57.359 what you're inside, what you're putting out there, as far 1818 01:31:57.399 --> 01:32:01.239 as your own source energy, how powerful that is, that 1819 01:32:01.319 --> 01:32:04.199 will either deter things. That's where they don't even want 1820 01:32:04.199 --> 01:32:06.479 to come near you because that's some powerful shit. Fuck 1821 01:32:06.520 --> 01:32:09.199 that you're too powerful. There's too much light coming off you. 1822 01:32:09.560 --> 01:32:10.079 It's hurting me. 1823 01:32:10.119 --> 01:32:12.439 I don't want to mess with you. Rather than you 1824 01:32:12.520 --> 01:32:15.920 don't have that much you know, God energy or spirit 1825 01:32:16.159 --> 01:32:19.960 or good positive energy. But yet you say I'm gonna 1826 01:32:20.000 --> 01:32:22.600 call protection on myself but yet you're a piece of shit. 1827 01:32:23.079 --> 01:32:26.039 It probably won't work that way, you know, the you 1828 01:32:26.079 --> 01:32:28.479 won't be able to manifest that kind of protection if 1829 01:32:28.479 --> 01:32:30.680 you're vibrating, low scumbag. 1830 01:32:30.840 --> 01:32:32.920 So that's the way I kind of look at it. 1831 01:32:33.079 --> 01:32:36.600 Well, and you probably won't even be able to that quote. 1832 01:32:36.680 --> 01:32:39.680 It's not meant to be a protection against the outside 1833 01:32:39.680 --> 01:32:41.359 that's supposed to tell you that you should. 1834 01:32:41.079 --> 01:32:42.720 Every day be gearing up for war. 1835 01:32:43.319 --> 01:32:45.560 I don't know why so many Christians get involved with 1836 01:32:45.640 --> 01:32:48.479 that faith and think that they're not entering a war zone. 1837 01:32:48.800 --> 01:32:51.000 God told you to sell your cloak and buy a sword, 1838 01:32:51.199 --> 01:32:53.319 and God told you to put on your armor every day. 1839 01:32:53.359 --> 01:32:55.680 Yet somehow people think it's a hippie dippy religion and 1840 01:32:55.720 --> 01:32:57.720 it's not gonna be anything bad, Like, nah, dude, you 1841 01:32:57.760 --> 01:33:00.199 should be fully aware that you're stepping into a war 1842 01:33:00.319 --> 01:33:01.359 zone and strap up. 1843 01:33:01.760 --> 01:33:03.960 Yeah, but I guess where I get taken back to 1844 01:33:04.199 --> 01:33:06.560 is whenever Tesla said that all there is is energy, 1845 01:33:06.600 --> 01:33:11.119 frequency and vibration. And so if you make the if 1846 01:33:11.159 --> 01:33:12.920 you say all right, you know you're getting ready to 1847 01:33:12.960 --> 01:33:15.199 go into a meditation psychnolic trip, you're doing some kind 1848 01:33:15.199 --> 01:33:18.920 of magical shit whatever, and you say something like all right, 1849 01:33:19.079 --> 01:33:22.079 only good and you know, love and light or whatever, 1850 01:33:22.479 --> 01:33:25.840 and the words are something like I think that there, 1851 01:33:25.920 --> 01:33:29.439 you know, there's obviously going to be a vibration to words. 1852 01:33:29.479 --> 01:33:32.199 It's literally we pump it out of our lungs, which 1853 01:33:32.279 --> 01:33:35.000 are organs, and you know organs are you know, a 1854 01:33:35.079 --> 01:33:38.479 musical instrument, instruments and all that. But like, I think 1855 01:33:38.680 --> 01:33:42.479 that it's you have to encompass the words that you're speaking. 1856 01:33:43.520 --> 01:33:46.399 And so if you're somebody that says only love and 1857 01:33:46.479 --> 01:33:48.520 only light, not to get super woo woo. I'm just 1858 01:33:48.640 --> 01:33:50.479 first thing on my mind. If you were just to 1859 01:33:50.520 --> 01:33:52.960 say that, right, I think that you would have to 1860 01:33:53.079 --> 01:33:56.199 feel that you would have to encompass that and and 1861 01:33:56.319 --> 01:33:59.079 that energy and that frequency or that vibration that you're 1862 01:33:59.159 --> 01:34:03.560 setting off. You're encompassing that, and so maybe then it's 1863 01:34:03.600 --> 01:34:07.840 impossible for the lower level entities, the demonic kind of entities, 1864 01:34:07.880 --> 01:34:10.920 to even have a chance against you, because first off, 1865 01:34:10.960 --> 01:34:13.560 let's let's just be real here, the demons are trying 1866 01:34:13.640 --> 01:34:15.800 to fuck with us. I mean, I've never had a 1867 01:34:15.840 --> 01:34:18.439 demon fuck with me, but the demons are trying to 1868 01:34:18.439 --> 01:34:23.640 fuck with us humans, right, and they do that from 1869 01:34:23.800 --> 01:34:28.079 a non physical body. They're trying to manipulate your physical 1870 01:34:28.119 --> 01:34:32.199 reality without having a physical body already there, we have 1871 01:34:32.239 --> 01:34:34.800 an advantage already, like they're trying to fuck with us. 1872 01:34:34.840 --> 01:34:36.880 We don't care about them, you know, outside of the 1873 01:34:36.880 --> 01:34:37.960 people that are practicing. 1874 01:34:37.680 --> 01:34:40.600 Magic, just having a physical experience, right Like, this body 1875 01:34:40.680 --> 01:34:42.760 isn't me. This is just a flesh shoot I happen 1876 01:34:42.800 --> 01:34:44.880 to be wearing. So do we really have the advantage 1877 01:34:45.000 --> 01:34:47.479 or do we have a disadvantage because we're attached to 1878 01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:48.880 a physical body that can die. 1879 01:34:49.239 --> 01:34:51.880 They don't we have something that they that they don't 1880 01:34:52.239 --> 01:34:54.960 clearly like there's something that they. 1881 01:34:54.880 --> 01:34:57.039 Want for a disadvantage though, that's I would. 1882 01:34:56.840 --> 01:34:59.640 Say that it's an advantage because we have it. We 1883 01:34:59.760 --> 01:35:02.239 have of whatever it is that they want so much, 1884 01:35:02.520 --> 01:35:07.520 and maybe that is our divine connectedness to whatever kind 1885 01:35:07.520 --> 01:35:10.079 of spiritual loose that they're trying to take. That's I mean, 1886 01:35:10.199 --> 01:35:12.399 that's my standpoint. I'm not trying to say that that's 1887 01:35:12.439 --> 01:35:15.000 even a fully worked out kind of equation. In my mind, 1888 01:35:15.039 --> 01:35:17.279 I'm just Devil's advocate playing. 1889 01:35:17.000 --> 01:35:19.479 Here right now. I feel that I don't know. 1890 01:35:19.680 --> 01:35:22.079 I mean, it's not to say that, you know, just 1891 01:35:22.279 --> 01:35:25.359 meditations are specifically good or bad, and you know that 1892 01:35:25.399 --> 01:35:27.800 can go both ways, I'm sure, but I kind of 1893 01:35:27.800 --> 01:35:29.960 see that the same way as like when you go hunting, right, 1894 01:35:29.960 --> 01:35:34.079 you're stepping into the woods. You're trying to become so 1895 01:35:34.760 --> 01:35:37.399 just emblended in with everything to where the animals don't 1896 01:35:37.439 --> 01:35:40.640 see you as anything separate than them. Dude, that's their backyard. 1897 01:35:40.840 --> 01:35:43.159 They know what's normal here. They know the rules of 1898 01:35:43.199 --> 01:35:46.800 the woods. When we step into the spiritual realm, we're 1899 01:35:46.800 --> 01:35:50.159 trying to act like we are amongst it, and it's like, no, no, no, dude, 1900 01:35:50.159 --> 01:35:53.239 you're a human. You're stepping into the spiritual entities backyard. 1901 01:35:53.399 --> 01:35:55.439 They know the rules here. They know what can and 1902 01:35:55.439 --> 01:35:58.199 can't happen. We think we know what we can or 1903 01:35:58.239 --> 01:36:00.960 can't get away with. Same in the woods. Think putting 1904 01:36:01.039 --> 01:36:03.439 dough urine on ourselves will make a deer come out? 1905 01:36:03.640 --> 01:36:05.680 You know, the deer, I promise you, has a way 1906 01:36:05.680 --> 01:36:08.439 better sniffer than what the synthetic dough piss is going 1907 01:36:08.520 --> 01:36:10.720 to allow for you. See what I'm saying, it's there's 1908 01:36:10.760 --> 01:36:13.199 there's reality and there's intention. And I don't think the 1909 01:36:13.239 --> 01:36:15.800 two necessarily go against each other. I think it's very 1910 01:36:15.800 --> 01:36:16.720 case by case, but. 1911 01:36:16.840 --> 01:36:19.119 Speaking on the hunter, but I mean just speaking on 1912 01:36:19.119 --> 01:36:21.279 the hunter here. For example, you would say that the 1913 01:36:21.600 --> 01:36:24.840 hunters at a disadvantage, I would actually say that's probably wrong. 1914 01:36:26.359 --> 01:36:28.079 And the reason I say that is is that a 1915 01:36:28.119 --> 01:36:29.960 deer is not climbing up into a fucking deer. 1916 01:36:30.000 --> 01:36:30.319 Stand. 1917 01:36:30.560 --> 01:36:32.720 A deer does not have a rifle. A deer is 1918 01:36:32.800 --> 01:36:35.239 not going to kill you, unless it's some massive buck 1919 01:36:35.359 --> 01:36:36.920 or something like that. A deer is not going to 1920 01:36:37.000 --> 01:36:40.800 go hunting you like, and so you have the advantage 1921 01:36:41.079 --> 01:36:44.399 of knowing where to go to find these deer. You 1922 01:36:44.479 --> 01:36:46.479 have the advantage of having a weapon to be able 1923 01:36:46.520 --> 01:36:49.079 to take them out at a distance from afar. So 1924 01:36:50.199 --> 01:36:51.560 you can look at that both ways. 1925 01:36:51.600 --> 01:36:55.520 Really, I guess it's in that context of like a 1926 01:36:55.560 --> 01:36:58.479 man versus animal. In that case, yeah, we're talking about 1927 01:36:58.520 --> 01:37:01.880 like a prey animal is a predator human. But the 1928 01:37:01.880 --> 01:37:04.319 deer also has all the advantages of being able to 1929 01:37:04.359 --> 01:37:06.600 smell and see, like, huh, that's not normal. 1930 01:37:06.720 --> 01:37:09.039 I'm not going down that trail today, I'm going this way, 1931 01:37:09.119 --> 01:37:10.920 and like, you know what I mean, there's and that 1932 01:37:11.000 --> 01:37:13.479 was probably a very contrived example, just it was a 1933 01:37:13.560 --> 01:37:16.079 thrown out one, but you know, and again I'm not 1934 01:37:16.079 --> 01:37:18.439 saying that every time somebody steps into the spiritual realm, 1935 01:37:18.520 --> 01:37:20.880 something negative is bound to happen to them or something's 1936 01:37:20.920 --> 01:37:23.720 going to attach to them that's gonna be horrible. Like, no, 1937 01:37:24.039 --> 01:37:26.119 that's that's also preposterous to say. 1938 01:37:26.720 --> 01:37:30.079 But I feel like a lot of people that delve 1939 01:37:30.159 --> 01:37:33.479 into this realm do so with a knowledge base. And 1940 01:37:33.520 --> 01:37:36.079 I'm not negating that at all, but it's like you 1941 01:37:36.199 --> 01:37:41.039 only learned addition and subtraction. Meanwhile division to multiplications coming 1942 01:37:41.079 --> 01:37:43.479 after that. Ass So you would have to know all 1943 01:37:43.560 --> 01:37:45.840 of these things to be able to speak with intelligence 1944 01:37:46.039 --> 01:37:49.319 or do things with a certain level of surety on 1945 01:37:49.399 --> 01:37:52.159 the other side of things, And that's not our natural realm, 1946 01:37:52.600 --> 01:37:56.199 although I guess that would be considered our spirits natural realm, 1947 01:37:56.560 --> 01:37:57.640 but not our bodies. 1948 01:37:57.920 --> 01:37:59.760 And that you see what I'm saying. It's very convoluted. 1949 01:38:00.159 --> 01:38:03.000 Yeah, it is. It definitely is. It's like, you know, uh, 1950 01:38:03.199 --> 01:38:05.920 I feel like I would do pretty well if you 1951 01:38:06.000 --> 01:38:09.319 put me back in like fifth grade, right, but I'm 1952 01:38:09.640 --> 01:38:11.720 not going to know all the shit that those kids 1953 01:38:11.800 --> 01:38:14.479 learned in the class in the day before. You know, 1954 01:38:14.520 --> 01:38:17.239 if I get a pop quiz than a fifth grader, 1955 01:38:17.479 --> 01:38:20.000 So don't adapt that belief and these kids have that 1956 01:38:20.159 --> 01:38:22.720 ass that well, that's kind of my point is that 1957 01:38:22.960 --> 01:38:26.399 maybe it's maybe it's only harder for you since it's 1958 01:38:26.439 --> 01:38:29.960 been so much time since you've been there. Sure kind 1959 01:38:29.960 --> 01:38:30.239 of thing. 1960 01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:33.520 I do get the sense whenever you're there, it is 1961 01:38:33.560 --> 01:38:36.479 a remembering process. There's many times where like, oh, I've 1962 01:38:36.479 --> 01:38:38.680 done this before, and it just comes back to me, 1963 01:38:39.279 --> 01:38:43.399 and it does become easier to kind of navigate those waters, 1964 01:38:43.439 --> 01:38:47.159 if you will, once you have more experience out there. 1965 01:38:47.560 --> 01:38:48.479 And I was. 1966 01:38:48.760 --> 01:38:52.640 Wouldn't consider myself an expert in any way. In fact, 1967 01:38:52.680 --> 01:38:55.920 I got about an ounce of mushrooms sitting in my drawer. 1968 01:38:56.000 --> 01:38:56.359 I had. 1969 01:38:56.399 --> 01:38:58.279 The last time I had done them was for that 1970 01:38:58.399 --> 01:39:02.560 last May fourth experience that I discussed before. But I 1971 01:39:02.600 --> 01:39:07.359 am saving these for when I'm truly called back. I'm 1972 01:39:07.399 --> 01:39:10.520 sure there'll be one day, you know, in the near future, 1973 01:39:10.640 --> 01:39:14.319 especially because this next film is going to be mainly 1974 01:39:14.399 --> 01:39:18.119 focused on psychedelics. I'm sure I'll be called back in 1975 01:39:18.199 --> 01:39:22.119 for a little discussion there. But I you know, I 1976 01:39:22.239 --> 01:39:25.479 think that there is definitely a danger and a level 1977 01:39:25.520 --> 01:39:30.239 of respect that needs to be taken with you whenever 1978 01:39:30.920 --> 01:39:33.399 you are entering these things, and it definitely shouldn't be 1979 01:39:33.520 --> 01:39:36.479 used as a party drug. It definitely shouldn't be a 1980 01:39:36.520 --> 01:39:39.239 recreational thing that people are doing on the weekends to 1981 01:39:39.359 --> 01:39:43.479 act stupid. I think there's a lot of not really 1982 01:39:43.600 --> 01:39:46.760 obvious things that can happen to people. Subtle problems that 1983 01:39:46.880 --> 01:39:51.680 psychological problems that can occur, spiritual attachments, things like that 1984 01:39:51.680 --> 01:39:54.119 that maybe it's not maybe it's not that big of 1985 01:39:54.119 --> 01:39:57.319 a deal, but it will have some sort of effect 1986 01:39:57.319 --> 01:39:59.840 in that person's life if they're not aware of those. 1987 01:40:00.359 --> 01:40:04.279 So got me off of alcohol, like one hundred percent, 1988 01:40:04.359 --> 01:40:07.039 that's what. Like, I was bad off drinking for years 1989 01:40:07.039 --> 01:40:10.479 and years and years. Microdosing on a daily or every 1990 01:40:10.520 --> 01:40:12.439 other day type of thing made it to where I 1991 01:40:12.439 --> 01:40:14.760 no longer wanted to pick up the first drink, and like, 1992 01:40:14.760 --> 01:40:16.800 because it kills that vibe. And it wasn't I wasn't 1993 01:40:16.840 --> 01:40:18.840 tripping balls every single day or anything like that. It 1994 01:40:18.880 --> 01:40:20.920 was a very very low dose load dose. 1995 01:40:20.880 --> 01:40:23.039 Helped you lose a lot of weight too, It. 1996 01:40:23.000 --> 01:40:25.960 Did, indeed, because it kills the appetite now like a motherfucker. 1997 01:40:25.960 --> 01:40:28.079 But I will say this also, Chris, you getting into 1998 01:40:28.119 --> 01:40:30.319 this new doc you want to do, Jonathan, we got 1999 01:40:30.319 --> 01:40:31.720 to hook our boiled with some four aco. 2000 01:40:32.399 --> 01:40:34.640 I think that that would go a long way to 2001 01:40:34.680 --> 01:40:37.600 help him. Think of think of all of the amazing 2002 01:40:37.640 --> 01:40:42.199 things of the mushrooms without the nausea. 2003 01:40:40.680 --> 01:40:44.720 And also all of the amazing things with d MT 2004 01:40:45.279 --> 01:40:50.680 without a full blast off, without full of losing control. Yeah, 2005 01:40:50.720 --> 01:40:53.880 it's It'd definitely be interested. It is, dude, it's awesome. 2006 01:40:53.920 --> 01:40:56.399 I'll I'll definitely hook you up. But it's uh, yeah, 2007 01:40:56.439 --> 01:40:59.960 it's like if mushrooms and DMT had a baby as base. 2008 01:41:00.199 --> 01:41:01.119 The best way you can put it. 2009 01:41:01.680 --> 01:41:04.720 And lasts is like two hits of psilocybin and two 2010 01:41:04.800 --> 01:41:06.800 hits of d MT. But it's not to a level 2011 01:41:06.800 --> 01:41:08.560 to where you're gonna like lose your mind over it 2012 01:41:08.680 --> 01:41:11.640 or anything. I mean, tolerance levels will matter. Some people 2013 01:41:11.640 --> 01:41:13.840 can only handle like half a pill or capsule, I 2014 01:41:13.880 --> 01:41:15.600 should say, some people have to take two to get 2015 01:41:15.600 --> 01:41:16.520 to the level they want. 2016 01:41:16.760 --> 01:41:17.760 You know, depends on you. 2017 01:41:18.199 --> 01:41:19.920 It's from a good source too. We know the guy. 2018 01:41:20.119 --> 01:41:23.640 So where you guys out right right now? Were you located? 2019 01:41:23.960 --> 01:41:25.199 So in Louisiana? Over here? 2020 01:41:25.319 --> 01:41:28.439 I'm Indiana. I'm in Texas. But that's gonna be changing soon. 2021 01:41:29.000 --> 01:41:32.239 Oh really, Okay, because we're gonna be doing some traveling 2022 01:41:32.399 --> 01:41:34.880 in the next six months to do some filming. I 2023 01:41:34.920 --> 01:41:38.800 know we're definitely slated for like North and South Carolina. 2024 01:41:38.840 --> 01:41:40.319 Possibly Louisiana. 2025 01:41:40.479 --> 01:41:42.840 I really need to get down there, visit family and 2026 01:41:42.880 --> 01:41:45.199 do take care of a few things. So we're hoping 2027 01:41:45.199 --> 01:41:48.359 to do that maybe by the fall. But if any 2028 01:41:48.439 --> 01:41:50.520 chance that we get, you know, to maybe hook up, 2029 01:41:50.560 --> 01:41:52.119 I'll definitely keep in touch. 2030 01:41:52.119 --> 01:41:54.359 Oh, one hundred percent. And that's I plan on being 2031 01:41:54.399 --> 01:41:56.680 back in the fall. So that's that would be perfect. 2032 01:41:56.960 --> 01:41:59.000 And even if not, like it's only four and a 2033 01:41:59.039 --> 01:42:04.560 half hour dry back to bi Ara, Yeah, no doubt, 2034 01:42:05.319 --> 01:42:07.960 yes indeed, but yeah, we would definitely love to hook 2035 01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:09.880 up for that. And but yeah, just back to the 2036 01:42:10.159 --> 01:42:12.560 four Aco dude, it's awesome because you don't get any 2037 01:42:12.560 --> 01:42:15.680 of the side effects of mushrooms like the nausea and 2038 01:42:15.720 --> 01:42:19.319 the sickness. But it uh but and it only lasts 2039 01:42:19.319 --> 01:42:22.840 for three hours, so it's not something super crazy. And 2040 01:42:22.880 --> 01:42:25.359 I've done full on DMT before. I much prefer for 2041 01:42:25.479 --> 01:42:26.960 a four aco DMT personally. 2042 01:42:27.159 --> 01:42:28.399 Yeah, I don't know. 2043 01:42:28.439 --> 01:42:31.119 I wouldn't go back to DMT either, I had, I did, 2044 01:42:31.239 --> 01:42:35.159 I did it twice. First experience was all euphoria. I 2045 01:42:35.159 --> 01:42:37.760 didn't ever have a full blast off, although I did 2046 01:42:37.800 --> 01:42:41.279 have some pretty intense visions. The second one was just 2047 01:42:41.399 --> 01:42:44.720 so uncomfortable, and it was like ten minutes of just 2048 01:42:44.880 --> 01:42:48.039 pure wanting to jump out of my skin. And I'm like, 2049 01:42:48.399 --> 01:42:49.319 I can't do that again. 2050 01:42:49.439 --> 01:42:49.920 So I don't. 2051 01:42:49.920 --> 01:42:51.840 I don't know if dmts for me or not, but 2052 01:42:52.119 --> 01:42:55.039 you know, I will go back eventually to the psilocybin 2053 01:42:55.119 --> 01:42:56.760 to visit those realms. 2054 01:42:57.279 --> 01:43:01.039 Yeah, for sure, dude. And we actually I've recently just 2055 01:43:01.039 --> 01:43:04.439 got done talking to somebody who did ayahuasca and usually 2056 01:43:04.520 --> 01:43:07.479 they're like two or three day ceremonies. And I listened 2057 01:43:07.520 --> 01:43:09.760 to that, dude, and I'm like, dude, I did DMT 2058 01:43:10.039 --> 01:43:14.199 and it lasted like three minutes. I can't imagine hours 2059 01:43:14.319 --> 01:43:18.039 and days of that. Like, fuck all that. There's no 2060 01:43:18.079 --> 01:43:23.600 way I'll never do ayahuasca. That's that's too fucking long, bro. 2061 01:43:23.760 --> 01:43:25.359 And I And look, I know that a lot of 2062 01:43:25.359 --> 01:43:27.159 people are getting a lot of great things out of it. 2063 01:43:27.199 --> 01:43:30.399 You are being completely transformed into a new person. I 2064 01:43:30.439 --> 01:43:34.199 saw this one guy. It was an elderly guy, not elderly, 2065 01:43:34.279 --> 01:43:38.439 but like late sixties, early seventies, and he goes, I 2066 01:43:38.479 --> 01:43:41.680 should have done this thirty years ago, and like you know, 2067 01:43:41.800 --> 01:43:44.800 you hear certain testimonies like that, like it is, it's 2068 01:43:44.840 --> 01:43:47.039 a wild ride, and it does help out a lot 2069 01:43:47.079 --> 01:43:49.159 of people. But I'm good. I'm good on that. 2070 01:43:49.199 --> 01:43:50.159 It's the ego death. 2071 01:43:50.199 --> 01:43:53.399 And I feel like most people who never try psychedelics, 2072 01:43:53.439 --> 01:43:56.119 never like the term ego death is it's falling on 2073 01:43:56.159 --> 01:43:59.439 deaf years. They don't understand what that means to completely 2074 01:43:59.439 --> 01:44:02.640 remove yourself from it, or like you're riding this wave 2075 01:44:02.680 --> 01:44:04.840 regardless of it's time for you to get off or not. No, no, 2076 01:44:04.920 --> 01:44:07.439 you need to calm down and ride this wave because 2077 01:44:07.479 --> 01:44:09.159 it's not letting go of you for a little while, 2078 01:44:09.239 --> 01:44:11.760 you know what I mean. It's it's something that I 2079 01:44:11.800 --> 01:44:15.159 think is very beneficial if somebody is ready to have 2080 01:44:15.279 --> 01:44:16.000 that experience. 2081 01:44:16.079 --> 01:44:16.199 Right. 2082 01:44:16.239 --> 01:44:18.960 I got buddies who come back from deployments and they 2083 01:44:18.960 --> 01:44:21.479 have PTSD like motherfuckers, right, And they go to different 2084 01:44:21.479 --> 01:44:23.840 therapy sessions and all these things, and some of them 2085 01:44:23.840 --> 01:44:27.079 try SSRIs all this horrible shit, horrible shit. They'll do 2086 01:44:27.119 --> 01:44:30.359 an ayahuasca retreat and I'm not saying they're completely healed, 2087 01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:34.960 but they will. That starts the healing process for them, right, 2088 01:44:35.079 --> 01:44:37.319 allowing for that ego death and allowing for them to 2089 01:44:37.439 --> 01:44:39.399 come to grips with there and really look at themselves 2090 01:44:39.439 --> 01:44:42.159 in the mirror on that level. And I'm not saying 2091 01:44:42.199 --> 01:44:44.640 that's the only source. People deal with different traumas in 2092 01:44:44.640 --> 01:44:48.159 different ways, but again using these types of substances with 2093 01:44:48.279 --> 01:44:52.600 the respect and using them as a for their medicinal purposes, 2094 01:44:52.640 --> 01:44:54.920 not as a party drug. Right if you're doing ayahuasca 2095 01:44:54.920 --> 01:44:56.520 and then trying to go to a ray, first of all, 2096 01:44:56.680 --> 01:44:58.039 you're just not living life, right. 2097 01:44:57.960 --> 01:44:58.760 You fucking degen. 2098 01:44:58.960 --> 01:44:59.560 Okay, that's not. 2099 01:45:00.479 --> 01:45:03.000 But at the same time, like I also would love 2100 01:45:03.039 --> 01:45:05.000 to try payoti one of these days, but not just 2101 01:45:05.159 --> 01:45:07.479 try some payote at the house. I want to go 2102 01:45:07.520 --> 01:45:11.239 to a Native American ceremony like ceremony which I can 2103 01:45:11.239 --> 01:45:12.960 go to because I have a little bit of chalcowl 2104 01:45:12.960 --> 01:45:14.159 blood in me. I'd have to get all the proper 2105 01:45:14.159 --> 01:45:16.199 paperwork and stuff neither here nor there. If I could 2106 01:45:16.199 --> 01:45:18.960 go there and experience it in the time and place 2107 01:45:19.000 --> 01:45:21.560 and environment that that is supposed to be tried and 2108 01:45:21.800 --> 01:45:24.640 ingested and do a sweat and do the whole thing, Like, yes, 2109 01:45:24.960 --> 01:45:27.399 I would love to know what that's like. Same time, 2110 01:45:27.439 --> 01:45:28.960 I've heard a lot of people say that it's not 2111 01:45:29.039 --> 01:45:31.399 worth and don't worry about it. Mushrooms are ten times better, 2112 01:45:31.439 --> 01:45:34.119 and it's like I hear you, I don't know if 2113 01:45:34.159 --> 01:45:36.640 I believe that, because if it was, then why wouldn't 2114 01:45:36.640 --> 01:45:39.399 the naive Americans have more of a heavier influence with mushrooms. 2115 01:45:39.399 --> 01:45:42.000 Why are they heavier with or ayahuasca and paoti? 2116 01:45:42.520 --> 01:45:44.439 You see what I'm saying. I think there's different levels 2117 01:45:44.439 --> 01:45:47.079 to it. But if you use these things in. 2118 01:45:47.000 --> 01:45:50.760 The proper manner, with the proper respect, and with pure intentions, 2119 01:45:50.800 --> 01:45:53.600 not trying to go buck wild and have a party weekend, 2120 01:45:54.079 --> 01:45:56.600 I feel like your experiences, more often than not, are 2121 01:45:56.640 --> 01:45:57.359 more positive. 2122 01:45:57.720 --> 01:45:57.920 You know. 2123 01:45:58.720 --> 01:45:59.960 I like what you said about the ego. 2124 01:46:00.000 --> 01:46:03.359 So for me, what it did was it took my 2125 01:46:03.479 --> 01:46:06.079 ego during the experience, took it out and put it 2126 01:46:06.119 --> 01:46:08.600 on the side over here. Then when I came back 2127 01:46:08.720 --> 01:46:12.399 it reintegrated. But I had a level of control over 2128 01:46:12.479 --> 01:46:15.239 it that I never had before, and that stays with you. 2129 01:46:15.319 --> 01:46:18.000 That just doesn't go away. You're able to control your 2130 01:46:18.039 --> 01:46:21.800 ego in a way that's much different than before doing 2131 01:46:21.880 --> 01:46:22.680 those substances. 2132 01:46:22.680 --> 01:46:25.159 In my perspective, yeah, and I think it also helps 2133 01:46:25.159 --> 01:46:27.960 people come to grips with their own mortality. Feel like 2134 01:46:28.039 --> 01:46:31.159 so many people are afraid of death or or like 2135 01:46:31.760 --> 01:46:34.239 either either afraid of death or be they don't realize 2136 01:46:34.239 --> 01:46:37.399 how fragile life is like. And I don't mean your spirit, man, 2137 01:46:37.439 --> 01:46:40.520 I don't mean your soul. We are a very very weak, 2138 01:46:40.640 --> 01:46:44.359 feeble water sack with very weak bone structures making sure 2139 01:46:44.359 --> 01:46:46.000 that we stand up. You know what I mean? 2140 01:46:46.720 --> 01:46:49.159 Life and death. That line between the two can be 2141 01:46:49.279 --> 01:46:52.720 fucking extinguished so fast, and that's it. The game is over. 2142 01:46:52.840 --> 01:46:54.640 It's done now. I know I'm not talking about after 2143 01:46:54.720 --> 01:46:57.279 life things. That's a whole separate conversation. But I feel 2144 01:46:57.319 --> 01:46:59.520 like so many people walk around in this weird bubble 2145 01:46:59.560 --> 01:47:04.279 where they think they're they're all good, nothing's gonna happen 2146 01:47:04.319 --> 01:47:07.439 to them whatever. When they experience an ego death. I 2147 01:47:07.439 --> 01:47:10.319 think that A it kind of gets them aware of 2148 01:47:10.359 --> 01:47:13.920 the fact that, like, nothing is infinite, everything will come 2149 01:47:13.960 --> 01:47:17.239 to an end, including yourself, and b it's kind of 2150 01:47:17.279 --> 01:47:19.600 like the person who's never been in a fistfight before 2151 01:47:19.960 --> 01:47:22.479 gloving up and putting a mouthpiece in and like going 2152 01:47:22.520 --> 01:47:25.199 two rounds just in a sparring match, and you realize, like, okay, 2153 01:47:25.840 --> 01:47:28.439 I can't whoareworks? 2154 01:47:28.520 --> 01:47:31.439 Yeah all right, dope, I don't know where that came from, 2155 01:47:31.479 --> 01:47:33.560 but apparently I'm on one right now. Fuck, here we go. 2156 01:47:34.720 --> 01:47:37.399 It's like you experience, like, okay, getting punched in the 2157 01:47:37.399 --> 01:47:39.960 face full force. You're not going to die, You're not 2158 01:47:40.079 --> 01:47:42.239 made out of glass. Yes it hurts, and yes, you're 2159 01:47:42.279 --> 01:47:44.000 gonna recover from this over the next few days. But 2160 01:47:44.079 --> 01:47:46.840 like there's a level of respect that comes with that, 2161 01:47:46.920 --> 01:47:48.880 and you now know what your limitations and what your 2162 01:47:48.920 --> 01:47:50.920 capabilities are. I feel like this is kind of in 2163 01:47:50.960 --> 01:47:55.760 that same realm on a mental and psychological standpoint, you know. 2164 01:47:56.039 --> 01:47:59.600 Yeah, I definitely agree dude that like they they definitely 2165 01:47:59.680 --> 01:48:03.239 co inside for sure. There's multiple things happening at once, 2166 01:48:03.760 --> 01:48:06.800 and so yeah, look, Chris, I mean, I know you 2167 01:48:06.840 --> 01:48:08.399 got to get out of here. Brother. Thank you so 2168 01:48:08.479 --> 01:48:11.119 much for hanging out with us. 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