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Host. 24 00:01:12.599 --> 00:01:16.000 You are now listening to true Murder, The most shocking 25 00:01:16.120 --> 00:01:19.079 killers in true crime history and the authors that have 26 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:26.480 written about them. Gasey Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker VTK Every 27 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:30.200 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 28 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:34.840 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your host, 29 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:46.200 journalist and author Dan Zupansky. 30 00:01:47.239 --> 00:01:49.760 Good evening. This is your host Dan Zupansky for the 31 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:52.959 program True Murder, The most shocking killers in true crime 32 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:56.439 history and the authors that have written about them. It 33 00:01:56.560 --> 00:01:59.359 was a time of innocence, a time of hippies, flower 34 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:02.439 children in the Age of Aquarius, a time when young 35 00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:05.519 people felt free to roam the countryside, hitchhiking without fear. 36 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:08.719 A time when law enforcement was trusted by the people 37 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:11.599 they were sworn to protect and serve. That time was 38 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:15.039 shattered by one of law enforcemen's own. His name was 39 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:19.199 Gerard Schaeffer. He was a former Florida police officer who 40 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:21.879 lied his way into the office of the Martin County, 41 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:25.159 Florida Sheriff's office. He used his lie to continue to 42 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:28.439 perpetuate his crimes of torture and murder of young women 43 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:32.560 who hitchhiked along Florida's roads. Schaefer not only destroyed the 44 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:36.080 lives of as many as thirty four young women, he 45 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:38.919 kept trophies of his kills, and he lived the crimes 46 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:41.919 over and over again. He believed he was doing the 47 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:45.159 world and his victims of justice by ridding the world 48 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:49.479 of the whores who hitchhiked. Gerard Schaeffer was a narcissistic 49 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:53.759 psychopath who wanted his fifteen minutes of fame. He believed 50 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:57.199 he had earned it. My special guest this evening is 51 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:00.800 Yvonne Mason, and the book will be discussing is Silent Scream. 52 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:03.520 Welcome to the program, and thank you for agreeing to 53 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:05.599 be on True Murder. Yvonne Mason. 54 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:09.240 Thank you Dan for having me. This book is very 55 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:10.159 close to my heart. 56 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:14.319 I could tell that by reading it, and I'm sure 57 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:17.960 the audience will recognize that as we go on with this. 58 00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:21.000 This is one of the most incredible stories that I 59 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:23.960 hadn't heard anything about before I read this book. So 60 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:26.599 I also have to think I should have had the 61 00:03:26.719 --> 00:03:30.280 guest pardon me. One of the listeners to the program 62 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:32.479 is the person that recommended and I had sent you 63 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:35.520 the email with that gentleman's name, but he had highly 64 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:38.560 recommended that I contact you. So I've got to give 65 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:41.400 props to that person for turning me on to you 66 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:44.639 and this book, and now for our audience has the 67 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:50.120 benefit of this incredible story. Now, first off, silent scream. 68 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:54.560 It's a story that's older. It happened in the seventies. 69 00:03:54.599 --> 00:04:00.319 The crimes. Please tell us how you came to this 70 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:04.719 case itself and why you decided to write about this case. 71 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:05.560 Tell us about that. 72 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:10.479 When I moved to Florida to be with my now husband, 73 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:14.319 he had retired from the State Attorney's office as their 74 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:20.720 chief investigator and their administrative person. Right, he took me 75 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:24.160 on a tour of our fair city and part of 76 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:26.399 the tour was South Hutchinson Island and as we were 77 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:29.680 going down A one A, he said, Yvonne, right over 78 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:35.439 there is where a serial killer committed his crimes and 79 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:39.560 kept his teeth as trophies. Well, because of my background, 80 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:42.199 which is criminal justice, and I am a bounty hunter 81 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:45.360 and my degree is criminal justice with a side in 82 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:48.240 serial killers, which is my passion, because they're such an 83 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:51.600 anomaly that just set off all the creative juices. And 84 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:55.680 because I had access to my husband and to the 85 00:04:55.800 --> 00:04:58.839 law enforcement agents that worked the crime and to all 86 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:02.199 of the evidence that we used to bring him to 87 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:06.079 trial and conviction. The story begged to be written. And 88 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:10.480 once the victims had names, they got him ahead and 89 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:14.319 would not leave. They had to be heard. And the 90 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:16.920 more I read and the more I found out, the 91 00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:19.480 sicker I got, and the more that I knew that 92 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:22.160 I had to write this story for their benefit because 93 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:25.319 they were forgotten. Some of the bodies have never been found. 94 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:26.560 Certainly. 95 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:30.399 Yeah, and it was important that these young women, through 96 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:34.639 no fault of their own, have a voice, because Schaeffer 97 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:37.000 stole that voice. 98 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:43.120 I see. Now, let's start at the beginning with Gerard 99 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:50.199 Schaefer and let's our John. Gerard Schaeffer actually is full name. 100 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:53.519 So let's go back. And as much I know that 101 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:56.000 what you wrote in your book is that his family, 102 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:58.439 they grew up as devout Catholics, and I think that's 103 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:00.879 the big part of part of the story. They take 104 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:07.000 us back to Dori Shaeffer and her husband or John, 105 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:11.959 pardon me, Shaeffer's father tell us about his early family life, 106 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:15.199 so we can have some idea on what shaped this 107 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:18.560 person to become the monster that he did become. 108 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:22.279 Well apparently, and I never could prove this. But from 109 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:26.160 everything that I read and everything that Schaeffer said, apparently 110 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:30.279 his parents had to get married because they were she 111 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:33.240 was pregnant with him. So he always said that he 112 00:06:33.399 --> 00:06:37.639 was a byproduct of an unhappy marriage and his father. 113 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:42.160 They lived in Atlanta. His father was a traveling salesman 114 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:46.000 for Kimberly Clark, so he's gone a lot. And apparently 115 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:48.560 his father was very abusive when he was home because 116 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:52.279 he was an alcoholic and his mother was a control freak. Well, 117 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:56.319 when his father would leave home, that left Shaeffer and 118 00:06:56.360 --> 00:07:01.560 his mother. And though I was told that Shaeffer slept 119 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:04.519 with his mother until he was sixteen years old, I 120 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:07.399 left that as an open ended question in the book 121 00:07:07.480 --> 00:07:09.279 because I did not put anything in the book that 122 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:12.160 I could not back up with fact. Right, But there 123 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:15.240 was a psyche vow, and in that psyche vow it 124 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:17.560 was stated that he did sleep with his mother until 125 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:19.519 he was sixteen years old, and one of the agents 126 00:07:19.519 --> 00:07:22.920 that were at the crime gave me that information. Well, 127 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:25.839 if a child, especially boy, sleeps with his mother up 128 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:30.480 until he's sixteen years old, that's problem sure. And of 129 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:33.680 course when his father would come home, Shaeffer was out 130 00:07:33.720 --> 00:07:36.920 of his mother's bed. So at a very early age, 131 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:42.839 at twelve years old, Shaeffer started hanging himself for sexual pleasure. 132 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:48.600 So we're talking about auto erotic affixiation for those that 133 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:52.360 aren't so familiar with this, that is to hang themselves 134 00:07:52.399 --> 00:07:59.399 to magnify or increase the sexual orgasm exactly. 135 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:02.959 And not only did he start doing that, but he 136 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:09.160 started killing small animals and insects, which is a classic 137 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:15.839 sign of a sociopathic killer. He would go out and 138 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:18.160 kill things just for the pleasure of it, things that 139 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:21.680 didn't bother him, like when they got to Florida, he 140 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:24.720 would go out and kill the fan crabs, or he 141 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:28.439 would pull the wings off of flies, or he would 142 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:31.319 sit and shoot birds with the b begun just because 143 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:35.360 he could, and then dismember them. So he started at 144 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:42.799 a very early age with his sociopathic sociopathic tendencies, and then, 145 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:48.399 of course as he got older, he got involved. He said, 146 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:53.039 he got involved with a girl who liked to be raped. 147 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:57.559 Now I tend to disbelieve that. I believe that that 148 00:08:57.679 --> 00:09:01.440 was part of his narcissistic tendencies and that everything was 149 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:03.879 everybody else's fault. But he is I think that he 150 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:09.799 enjoyed raping her because she broke off the relationship, and 151 00:09:10.279 --> 00:09:13.840 he never understood why, because he always said, she always 152 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:17.159 asked for it, she wanted me to do it. Then 153 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:26.200 he graduated to even more out of you know, erotic 154 00:09:27.080 --> 00:09:33.600 fantasies and wanting to do bad things, but he always 155 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:36.879 justified it. 156 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:42.440 Now this is we're talking about John Gerard Schaeffer. He's 157 00:09:42.600 --> 00:09:46.799 no dummy. This guy's got been tested IQ wise. He's 158 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:48.919 well over one hundred and thirty, so it puts him 159 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:54.200 in the above average category. From the account in your book, 160 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:56.559 he said he grew up the devout Catholic, so he 161 00:09:56.679 --> 00:10:00.960 had the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church to either 162 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:05.240 confuse him or to enlighten him. Maybe you can tell 163 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:09.039 us because part of his part of the allure of 164 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:12.360 these guys, and with this gentleman in particular, is his charm. 165 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:18.320 Please describe his physical looks. Was he a good looking person? Tall, muscular? 166 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:19.759 About that? 167 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:24.000 He was an extremely good looking man. He was a 168 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:29.559 very charming man. When the two victims that got away 169 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:34.919 were interviewed, they said he was very charming. He was 170 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:39.919 very nice, he was very persuasive, He had the smile 171 00:10:40.679 --> 00:10:44.440 that would literally knock you dead. The picture that I 172 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:47.440 have in the book that was taken when he was 173 00:10:47.480 --> 00:10:50.679 on trial, the eyes are dead, but the smile is 174 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:54.799 just as charming as it can be. And that's how 175 00:10:54.879 --> 00:11:00.879 he managed to lure these young women into his vehicle 176 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:06.000 and into trusting him, because he knew how to talk 177 00:11:06.039 --> 00:11:08.919 to them in such a way that they didn't mind 178 00:11:08.919 --> 00:11:10.080 getting in the call with him. 179 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:11.080 Right. 180 00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:18.480 In fact, he getting back to his Catholic upbringing. He 181 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:24.120 would watch his neighbor across the street and he told 182 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:26.159 his friends they always knew what times she got ready 183 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:28.399 for bed, and he told his friends that she was 184 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:31.039 a whore and that she was asking to be raped, 185 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:32.879 and he was just gonna go over there and knock 186 00:11:32.919 --> 00:11:34.879 in the door and go and give her something because 187 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:38.960 she would like it, and that's what she wanted, right, 188 00:11:40.399 --> 00:11:41.080 So he. 189 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:43.080 Was peeping tom early on. 190 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:44.279 Oh, very early on. 191 00:11:44.440 --> 00:11:48.120 Yeah. There is one thing I found quite interesting too, 192 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:51.360 is that maybe you can tell us when this happened, approximately, 193 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:54.840 is that he had thoughts of becoming a priest. 194 00:11:55.639 --> 00:11:59.759 And that was, yeah, that was shortly. That was when 195 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:03.639 he was in college. He had already washed out of 196 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:09.720 teaching because he had gotten in trouble while he was 197 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:15.039 what they call a student teacher. He'd gotten in trouble there, 198 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:18.519 so he decided he would go into the priesthood. And 199 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:22.519 I think that goes back to his sense of guilt 200 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:26.679 for his past behavior, and also it gave him an 201 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:33.799 open doorway to get rid of young women. I mean, 202 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:35.279 who doesn't trust a priest? 203 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:39.960 Now, what happened with his bid for the priest or 204 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:44.480 his interest in being a priest? What did the prospective, 205 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:49.879 not the clergy, but what did the people in power 206 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:52.720 have to say to him? And was his what was 207 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:54.519 his faith as a priest? Did he well? 208 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:56.879 He never made it because they told him that he 209 00:12:56.919 --> 00:13:00.600 did not meet the criteria. Apparently there was something and 210 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:03.279 one of either the psyche vowels or one of the 211 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:06.440 tests that they gave him that said, we don't think 212 00:13:06.440 --> 00:13:09.399 we can use you. You're not what we're looking for. You're 213 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:12.399 not the caliber person that it takes to be a priest. 214 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:16.720 The other thing was that you had alluded to was 215 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:20.399 that he had gone through teachers college, or he wasn't 216 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:23.600 teacher's college, and he was a teacher's assistant or like say, 217 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:27.360 a student teacher, but he was dismissed from two different 218 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:32.519 schools without any real explanation on why they didn't want 219 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:35.519 him as a teacher at these schools. Isn't that correct? 220 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:36.000 Yes? 221 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:39.279 And in hindsight I have a feeling it was because 222 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:45.279 he might have messed with some children, and that being 223 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:49.879 that time period, as with the Catholic Church at that time, 224 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:52.080 nobody wanted to say anything. 225 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:58.080 Now, the other interest that he has, among many things 226 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:01.559 was but one of the mean interest that he had 227 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:04.480 in terms of occupations, was he wanted to be a 228 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:11.639 police officer in that area. Did he go to school criminology? 229 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:15.399 What did he do to that? For that pursuit? 230 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:21.360 He went to the police academy and he passed the 231 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:25.679 police academy. But while he was in the police academy, 232 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:30.320 there were several men there that were very leary of 233 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:34.360 him because of his bragadocious attitude about how he treated 234 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:38.840 women and what he did with women. But he did pass. 235 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:39.320 He passed. 236 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:42.759 I mean, the man was a genius. And then he 237 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:47.679 got on one of the police departments down in South Florida, 238 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:53.000 and he worked there for a while and he got 239 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:57.519 in trouble. And when he got in trouble, he decided 240 00:14:57.559 --> 00:15:02.039 it was best if he left, so he falsified his 241 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:06.440 chief signature on a letter of recommendation and got hired 242 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:08.240 by the Martin County Sheriff's Department. 243 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:13.320 Well, now, where's where is Martin County? That's in Is 244 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:14.360 that Fort Lauderdale? 245 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:17.799 That is north of Fort Lauderdale. It's about an hour 246 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:21.200 north of Fort Lauderdale. It is It is south of 247 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:24.720 Saint Loucy County, where I live. But it's it's between 248 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:30.200 Stuci is between Saint Lucy County and Broward County, which 249 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:32.960 is Fort Lauderdale, which is where he was from, right, 250 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:36.200 But he had moved when he got the job with 251 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:40.639 the Martin County Sheriff's Department. He moved to Stewart, which 252 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:47.519 is in Martin County. Well, not knowing his background and 253 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:51.600 not knowing that he had falsified the chief signature on 254 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:56.440 this letter of recommend recommendation, the sheriff at the time hearting, 255 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:00.759 of course, remember this was in nineteen seventy. They didn't 256 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:06.320 talk to each other, right, And they hired because of 257 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:11.360 his great grades at the academy, and he had gotten 258 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:16.080 some accolades at the police department he had been at prior, 259 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:19.399 and they were in dire need of good sheriffs in 260 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:21.879 Martin County because the county was growing by leeds Van, 261 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:25.679 so they hired him. But he had already been killing. 262 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:29.559 He was involved. The accolade that you talk about was 263 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:36.279 that he assisted or was majorly involved in a drug bust. Yes, okay, 264 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:41.519 now let's get to when he's on the Martin County 265 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:48.559 Police Force. It's his first incident that we see, and 266 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:54.279 you introduced Nancy Trotter and Pamela Sue Wells. Describe what 267 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:59.679 happened when John Gerard Schaeffer met Nancy Trotter and Pameless 268 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:03.720 who under what conditions? Please explain that incredible story. 269 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:08.839 Well, those two young ladies had made their way to 270 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:14.599 Florida from their home state. They had stopped in Biloxi, Mississippi, 271 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:18.000 to visit one of the one of the sisters, and 272 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:23.759 had hitched height to Jensom Beach. Jensen Beach is in 273 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:29.119 Martin County. They were apparently making their way to the 274 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:32.480 beach that day when Shaffer pulls up in his patrol 275 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:36.400 car ask them what they were doing, and they told 276 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:39.720 him they were going to the beach, And he said, well, 277 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:41.480 why don't I ask them where? 278 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:41.759 They were. 279 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:44.720 He asked them where they were staying, and they told him, 280 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:47.640 and so he said, well tomorrow I will be off. 281 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:50.759 Why don't I come and pick you up and I'll 282 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:57.160 take you to another beach, a better beach. So the 283 00:17:57.240 --> 00:18:00.400 next day his wife had a dentist appointment down in 284 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:03.400 Fort Lauderdale. So Schaeffer and his civilian clothes goes and 285 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:06.359 picks up these two goals. But instead of taking them 286 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:08.920 to a beach, he tell them he wanted to show 287 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:13.319 them an old fort. Right, Well, there's no forts in 288 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:15.519 this part of them, in this part of the county, 289 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:18.599 especially on that island, there's no forts at all. So 290 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:21.440 he takes them to a remote area. 291 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:24.039 Hello, it is Ryan, and we could all use an 292 00:18:24.039 --> 00:18:26.359 extra bright spot in our day, couldn't we, just to 293 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:29.240 make up for things like sitting in traffic, doing the dishes, 294 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:32.000 counting or steps, you know, all the mundane stuff. 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They bring both the girls back 351 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:31.359 to the Sheriff's department and they tell their story, and 352 00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:36.480 in the meantime, somebody's interrogating Shafer. Well, when it was 353 00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:42.400 all done, Bob Crowder had the guts to arrest Shafer 354 00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:46.160 on two counts of kidnapping and two counts of assault 355 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:51.920 because Crowder had the nerve to do that when he 356 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:56.400 ran for sheriff the next time, he lost because you 357 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:58.759 didn't do that, you did not cross the blue line. 358 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:00.680 Well, so he. 359 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:08.200 Lost his job as sheriff. When Shaffer went in front 360 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:11.519 of the judge, the judge gave him six months. They 361 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:14.200 dropped all the charges but won assault charge. The judge 362 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:17.599 gave him six months in jail. Shaeffer said, well, can 363 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:20.839 I take some time to get my affairs in order? 364 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:23.440 This was like in September. Can I get times to 365 00:22:23.480 --> 00:22:26.039 get my affairs in order? Because I need to get 366 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:28.279 my wife down to Fort Lauderdale to stow with my mother, 367 00:22:28.359 --> 00:22:33.519 and YadA, YadA, YadA. So the judge not knowing the 368 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:37.799 history because, like my husband said, they didn't even know 369 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:39.720 what a serial killer was. He said, it was something 370 00:22:39.759 --> 00:22:42.279 you ate for breakfast. And they did not know all 371 00:22:42.279 --> 00:22:45.799 these other girls had disappeared. He says, Okay, you have 372 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:50.519 to report on January the fifteenth, to do your six months. 373 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:58.839 From September until January, the aide Shaffer killed six more 374 00:22:58.920 --> 00:22:59.440 young women. 375 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:07.000 Wow. So to the judge's credit, though they gave him 376 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:10.920 six months, they did drop a bunch of charges, but 377 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:13.039 they didn't buy into his story that he was just 378 00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:17.400 trying to scare these women into not hitchhiking. They didn't 379 00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:17.759 buy that. 380 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:20.200 They didn't buy into it, but they didn't take it 381 00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:21.920 far enough because they didn't know any better. 382 00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:28.880 Wow. Now he gets the six months, he goes to jail. 383 00:23:29.359 --> 00:23:32.599 Is there any events? It was it eventful his time 384 00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:34.839 in prison? Tell us about his time in prison. 385 00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:41.079 He was due to get out in April mid April. 386 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:52.920 On April, the first two gentlemen found two bodies on 387 00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:58.319 South Hutchinson Alan at Blind Creek, which was down from 388 00:23:58.839 --> 00:24:01.559 or north of the power plants. 389 00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:05.119 And when. 390 00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:10.559 My husband and the other law enforcement agents got there 391 00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:14.759 and started working the crime scene, it dawned on them 392 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:20.160 that this was the same ebo that Shaeffer was serving 393 00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:23.680 time for. The stories were just what it looked like 394 00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:28.440 to them, matched with the two girls had told that 395 00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:33.160 got away, So that gave them probable cause for a 396 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:37.599 search warrant. They got a search warrant for Shaffer's apartment 397 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:40.240 in Stewart, and they got a search warrant for Shaeffer's 398 00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:43.880 mother's house in Fort Lauderdale. When they got down and 399 00:24:44.759 --> 00:24:49.799 they had to bring in the Broward County Sheriff's Department 400 00:24:50.079 --> 00:24:52.680 because they they crossed jurisdictional lines, so they had to 401 00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:55.680