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<v Speaker 1>Weird, weird.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we know what our topic is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be next week, midnight viewers, we're gonna be talking John

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<v Speaker 2>Carpent just the fog now. As I was saying, we

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<v Speaker 2>Viewing Composer HP and I sit down and discuss the

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, the inaugural episode will be appearing this Friday

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<v Speaker 2>of cable box theater. Okay, I think we're done with housekeeping,

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<v Speaker 2>but the place setting continues because the last part of

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<v Speaker 2>the show today, the second and final review. That's right,

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<v Speaker 2>only two topics this week is going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>crossover with fellow midnight viewing hosts Chris Dashue and Mike

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<v Speaker 2>White's respective podcast. That's right, it's a midnight viewing culture

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<v Speaker 2>cast Projection Booth three way, as we wade into the

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<v Speaker 2>Sony Marvel universe, the smooth the last, so they claim

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<v Speaker 2>of the Sony Verse, Goodbye, Madam Webb, farewell many Spider Man,

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<v Speaker 2>Adieu Dane de Cook. So that's going to be coming

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<v Speaker 2>up next. And we like to theme around these here parts.

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<v Speaker 2>So we've got Craven the Hunter. What pairs well with

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<v Speaker 2>a villain portrayed inexplicably as a hero. All of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>the natural choices don't Breathe Part two, But that motherfucker

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<v Speaker 2>was a rapist, and I didn't bother to watch that

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<v Speaker 2>sequel where the rapist is now the hero. Listen, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a fucking fool for heroes and villains switching allegiance during

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<v Speaker 2>the course of a narrative or film to film. But

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<v Speaker 2>as it turns out the nature of the villain, he

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<v Speaker 2>matters a turkey baster to you, Stephen Lang. So we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna keep it. In the comic book world, here's a

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<v Speaker 2>villain who's a hero simultaneously. This one's a Marvel fellow

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<v Speaker 2>whom I've loved since the nineteen seventies. That's when he

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<v Speaker 2>was born in Marvel Spotlight number five. He's had lots

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<v Speaker 2>of iterations. It's a mental not a person. You nineties

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<v Speaker 2>kids know him as Danny Ketch if you caught him

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<v Speaker 2>in the teens. Robbie Reyes took over that flaming skull

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<v Speaker 2>and he drives a car.

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<v Speaker 1>How a dony like that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm a bit iffy on it too, but I

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<v Speaker 2>like Robbie. He's the spirit of vengeance, the fallen Angel. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>his name is Zarathos, at least it was. I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>read it in a while. I love him best when

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<v Speaker 2>he took over Johnny Blaze and became ghost Rider.

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<v Speaker 1>Johnny Blaze.

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<v Speaker 2>No one has ever attempted such a distance before.

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<v Speaker 1>Three hundred feet from field, go to field, gull. What's

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<v Speaker 1>going through your mind right now? You look really good?

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<v Speaker 3>Are gonna look it?

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<v Speaker 4>Luck? Don't cover JB. You got an angel looking after you.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe it's something else.

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<v Speaker 3>All you have to do is size.

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<v Speaker 5>Forget about family, forget about friends, forget about.

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<v Speaker 3>You will be the writer for as long as you live.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not doing it if you have no choice.

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<v Speaker 5>The story goes that he'll be normal during the day,

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<v Speaker 5>but at night, in the presence of evil, the writer

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<v Speaker 5>takes over.

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<v Speaker 3>You deserve a second chance.

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<v Speaker 5>Black Hearts coming to create hell on Earth, and you

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<v Speaker 5>have the power he needs all day away from anybody

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<v Speaker 5>he can use against him.

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<v Speaker 3>Rock Sam, did you care about me when you have

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<v Speaker 3>to leave?

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<v Speaker 4>Now? I'm not going on.

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<v Speaker 5>Any man who sells his soul for love has the

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<v Speaker 5>power to change the world. I could smell your fear, so.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna take this curse and use it against you.

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<v Speaker 5>You have this rad Shopper goes off flames and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>His face was a skull and it was on fire,

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<v Speaker 1>on fire.

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<v Speaker 5>Like.

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<v Speaker 3>Looking for someone. I'm the only one welcome both worlds.

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<v Speaker 1>Ghost All right, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like my skull's on fire, but I'm good.

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<v Speaker 1>What the fuck is this?

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<v Speaker 2>I won't say that that was the only thing not

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<v Speaker 2>going through my head during the entirety of this film,

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<v Speaker 2>but it ain't far off. And I wanted to love

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<v Speaker 2>this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Ghost Rider with.

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<v Speaker 2>Nicholas Cage, Peter Fonda, Donald log West Bentley, and Eva

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<v Speaker 2>Mendez before Gossling spirited her away to whatever magic fairyland

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<v Speaker 2>he was hatched in. All of these things were positive,

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<v Speaker 2>So sincerely, what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>Dimension Films released Blade back in ninety six, and, feeling

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<v Speaker 2>all high on that blood sucking success, they got the

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<v Speaker 2>rights to ghost Rider, and because David Goyer wrote Blade,

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<v Speaker 2>he wrote the first draft of ghost Rider. I've read it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying I prefer the movie we got, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad they didn't make Goyer's draft, although they kind

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<v Speaker 2>of did when they made the sequel. Goyer's script is

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<v Speaker 2>basically The Crow. He took the exact framework of The

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<v Speaker 2>Crow and bladed it up and added a Motorcycle. At

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<v Speaker 2>that point it was Blade director Stephen Norrington who was attached.

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<v Speaker 2>Goyer would be replaced by Armageddons Crime Shane Salerno, at

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<v Speaker 2>which point Johnny Demp was going to be Johnny Blaze.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I mentioned got cold feet, probably because of those

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<v Speaker 2>terrible scripts, at which point Columbia, high off their own

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<v Speaker 2>recent triumphs with Spider Man, figured they could recreate the

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<v Speaker 2>magic of those films, and who better to do it

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<v Speaker 2>than the director of Grumpy Old Man. To be fair,

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<v Speaker 2>he did also direct Grumpier Old Man and Daredevil, which

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<v Speaker 2>has its proponents. I think that movie is fun in

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<v Speaker 2>a few scenes and has a fucking killer performance by

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<v Speaker 2>Colin Farrellan's Bullseye, but it is mostly unmemorable. Mark Stephen

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<v Speaker 2>Johnson is given ghost Rider and Carte Blanche. Really now,

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<v Speaker 2>there are some definite improvements in his script to the

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<v Speaker 2>previous drafts. For instance, Johnny Blaze rides at the Carnival.

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<v Speaker 2>Goyer had him as a low level thief, which is gross.

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<v Speaker 2>But whereas he put the history of the Blaze family

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<v Speaker 2>and the Quenton Carnival and Mephisto on screen as it

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<v Speaker 2>was in the comic Hell. He even pulled in Carter Slade,

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<v Speaker 2>who was the Ghostwriter before Ghostwrider, but he stumbles when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to the Rider himself. Like I said, Ghostwrider

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<v Speaker 2>has had a lot of iterations over the years, Johnson

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<v Speaker 2>fell in love with the bounty hunting aspect of him,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly with its connection to.

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<v Speaker 1>The Old West.

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<v Speaker 2>Thus Carter Slade, so he wants to have an otherworldly

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<v Speaker 2>Western with motorcycles, which I'm totally down with. And given

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<v Speaker 2>Johnson's association with Daredevil, who is the most catholic superhero ever,

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<v Speaker 2>I figured he'd lean into what sets Ghostwriter apart from

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<v Speaker 2>probably all superheroes. For all the flaming chains and riding

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<v Speaker 2>up buildings, He's a character whose real powers are based

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<v Speaker 2>on sin. His most famous move is the Penance Stare,

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<v Speaker 2>where he makes a sinner experience all the pain they've

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<v Speaker 2>caused over the course of their lives. He can cleanse

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<v Speaker 2>a soul, he can eat a soul, he can eat sin,

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<v Speaker 2>making him a sin eater. What's Up Jasmine Midnight Viewings

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<v Speaker 2>Welsh Correspondent. Some of those powers are featured passingly. Johnson

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<v Speaker 2>isn't interested in the battle for souls and the manipulation

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<v Speaker 2>of the human race. And who gets to decide who's

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<v Speaker 2>worthy of paradise. He wants cg water people fighting flaming

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<v Speaker 2>skullman And I'll say it again, it's a real drag.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd even be willing to put aside the mixing and

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<v Speaker 2>matching of the supernatural world and faiths, where we've got

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<v Speaker 2>traditional biblical fallen angels and demons mixing with villains based

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<v Speaker 2>on the water fire earth elements. It's not a salad

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<v Speaker 2>bar Johnson. Because of this budget, with these characters in

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<v Speaker 2>this cast, it could have been magnificent. It should have

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<v Speaker 2>been magnificent. Wes Bentley is a beautiful and he's a

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<v Speaker 2>totally worthy embodiment of frequent Ghostwriter antagonist Blackheart. Eva Mendez

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<v Speaker 2>does what she can with Roxanne. Everybody's doing a great job,

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<v Speaker 2>well not quite everyone. Is there anyone who can say

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<v Speaker 2>no to Nicholas Cage? I mean creatively? Is everyone so

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<v Speaker 2>jazz to be working with him that they just go

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<v Speaker 2>along with whatever kooky shit he comes up with. We've

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<v Speaker 2>talked about him here when we've looked at that film

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<v Speaker 2>Plastic Surgery Victim Buffalo Bill was that the title the

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<v Speaker 2>Faint Echo of the Lambs. That's a good one, you're

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<v Speaker 2>getting a treat. I love Nick Cage.

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<v Speaker 1>I really do. He's terrible here.

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<v Speaker 2>We know he loves comics. We know he can do

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<v Speaker 2>the gig. I was looking forward to that Superman movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking forward to the Noirs Spider Man series. But

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<v Speaker 2>he ain't Johnny Blaze. You know how I know, because

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<v Speaker 2>if he was, he would have put aside his action

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<v Speaker 2>movie habit of giving his character an absurd hobby or fixation.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the Beatles in the Rock, which had absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>no bearing on the film. Was there even a Beatles

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<v Speaker 2>song featured? And here Johnny Blaze, who sold his soul

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<v Speaker 2>to Mephisto and agreed to be his enforcer. Well, he

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<v Speaker 2>just loves jelly beans. Oh and if he can sip

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<v Speaker 2>them from an oversized Martini glass, all the more whimsy,

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<v Speaker 2>You old scamp. Johnny Blaze, who knows what brimstone smells

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<v Speaker 2>like because it pours from the flames that engulf his

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<v Speaker 2>disembodied skull, he loves them jelly beans.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Nicholas Cage's idea of how Johnny Blaze is.

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<v Speaker 1>On the wagon. He no longer im vibes.

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<v Speaker 2>He just loves going through the motions with jellybeans. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>his nighttime transformation into a flaming motorcycle chain wielding demon

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<v Speaker 2>you're worthy of punishment. Wouldn't want to get tipsy. No, no, no, jellybeans.

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<v Speaker 2>The CG was not great, then it's laughable. Now here's

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<v Speaker 2>a sign that it was filmed in Australia. Rebel Wilson

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<v Speaker 2>playing only the lamest cover will do. There was a sequel.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people consider it an improvement. They are wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>which is garbage. Marvel got the rights back to Ghost Rider.

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<v Speaker 2>fuck is he now? Ghost Rider, I mean any of them. Sincerely.

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<v Speaker 2>We want Blade, we want the Rider, we want Dracula

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<v Speaker 2>and Mephisto. Don't make me do another completely ineffective changing

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, but you're not. I'll tell you what we're

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<v Speaker 1>rip pick. Okay, you you chose Craven the Hunter.

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<v Speaker 6>JA Welcome to the Projection booth. I'm your host, Mike White.

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<v Speaker 6>Joining me, of course, is mister Chris Tashue.

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<v Speaker 4>I prefer to be known as Craven Moorhead.

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<v Speaker 6>Also on this episode is the one and only father Alone.

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<v Speaker 1>My grandmother died and then I never saw her again.

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<v Speaker 6>On this episode it's a very special crossover with the

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<v Speaker 6>Culture Cast and Midnight Viewing. We were talking about Craven

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<v Speaker 6>the Hunter. I am craving some Craven from twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 6>directed by JC Chandor written by a whole bunch of people. Here,

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<v Speaker 6>We've got Richard wenk and A and d art markham

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<v Speaker 6>ampersand Matt Holloway, all taken swipe at this script. It

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<v Speaker 6>is all about Craven, the titular Craven serge A craven

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<v Speaker 6>Off aka Craven the Hunter, and his complex relationship with

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<v Speaker 6>his ruthless father, Nikolai Cravenoff, who's played by the one

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<v Speaker 6>and only.

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<v Speaker 4>Russell Crowe Russian Crow.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Russian Crow, and uh yeah, just how he became

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<v Speaker 6>Craven through magic and all kinds of stuff. We will

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<v Speaker 6>be spoiling this film, so if you don't want anything ruin,

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<v Speaker 6>please turn off the podcast and come back after you've

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<v Speaker 6>gone to the theater, maybe rent to this on video,

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<v Speaker 6>streamed it on wherever, and we will still be here. So, Chris,

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<v Speaker 6>what did you think of Craven the Hunter?

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<v Speaker 4>I am so disappointed that you guys made me watch

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<v Speaker 4>this movie. This is one of them. This is one

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<v Speaker 4>of the most unintelligible pieces of shit I have seen

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<v Speaker 4>in a very long time. It was. Let me put

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<v Speaker 4>it this way, if you've if you've kept up with

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<v Speaker 4>the news and the information that's been coming out about

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<v Speaker 4>the movie since kind of its release or leading up

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<v Speaker 4>to its release, this is the last Spider versus Sony movie.

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<v Speaker 4>That's it. There's nothing else. This is the last one,

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<v Speaker 4>and good and good fucking riddance, because this movie is

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<v Speaker 4>borderline unintelligible, if it's not just completely unintelligible. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>understand why Aaron Taylor Johnson is in this movie other

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<v Speaker 4>than if it was the Dakota Johnson of it all,

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<v Speaker 4>where it's like I need money, I like money, give

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<v Speaker 4>me money, and I'll play Craven, because I can't imagine

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<v Speaker 4>he read this script and went, Wow, what a what

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<v Speaker 4>a real piece of scenery scene and what's scene chewing?

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<v Speaker 4>What scene stealing? I'm gonna be doing? Is Craven the Hunter?

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<v Speaker 4>I was not surprised that it was quite terrible. However,

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<v Speaker 4>I will say, on the scale of things, it's somehow

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<v Speaker 4>still manages to be better than Madam Webb. That is

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<v Speaker 4>damning it with the faintest of faint praise. But for me,

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<v Speaker 4>this movie was at times laughably bad. I can't believe

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<v Speaker 4>that the movie was two fucking hours long on top

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<v Speaker 4>of everything else, as if we needed to be bombarded

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<v Speaker 4>with two hours of this nonsense. But I I did

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<v Speaker 4>not enjoy it. It was a slog and in my

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<v Speaker 4>closing opening statements, if Aaron Taylor Johnson is in fact

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<v Speaker 4>cast as James Bond, uh oh, That's all I'm gonna say,

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<v Speaker 4>because I'm not looking forward to that if that is

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<v Speaker 4>in fact going to end up being the case. So

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<v Speaker 4>there's my early opening salvo. And as they say, manifesto

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<v Speaker 4>about Craven the Hunter, what about you, Father Malone.

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<v Speaker 1>I liked it.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it of the Sony spinoff movies, of the

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<v Speaker 2>Sony movies that aren't directly Spider Man movies, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's the best of them. I enjoyed it more than

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<v Speaker 2>any of the Venom movies three of those fuckers, certainly

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<v Speaker 2>more than Madame Webb.

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<v Speaker 1>What else did we have? They did one more right, Morbius,

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<v Speaker 1>It's Mormon time.

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<v Speaker 4>It's Morbon time.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>Morbius was way more fun than this movie, No way

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<v Speaker 4>more Yes, Oh yes, this movie took itself. This movie

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<v Speaker 4>took itself way too seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I agree, And I appreciated that about it because

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<v Speaker 2>Morbius didn't take it. Morbius took itself just as seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just that it was fucking terrible. And if any

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<v Speaker 2>joy you got from that movie was making fun of it,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a more complete story. Look, my problems with

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<v Speaker 2>this movie are as a fan of Marvel comics, who

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<v Speaker 2>remember Craven being one thing a villain, and a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>good villain at that, to turning him directly into a

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<v Speaker 2>fucking superhero, because the story is effectively the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Here.

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<v Speaker 2>We get Craven, we get the look they kind of

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<v Speaker 2>recconned him in the early eighties J. M. Demitaeus when

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<v Speaker 2>he took over Craven. He he wreckcoun a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the Russian heritage and stuff. We get Craven, we get

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<v Speaker 2>his dad, we get his brother, who is the chameleon,

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<v Speaker 2>who was the first first Spider Man villain. We get

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of what's really right about Craven. But at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time he's noble and doing all the right things.

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<v Speaker 2>So the problem with these Sinister six type spinoff movies

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<v Speaker 2>that they've been attempting is that they never give us

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<v Speaker 2>the actual fucking villain as a character, but compared to

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<v Speaker 2>all the venoms and the morbiuses and stuff, as a

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<v Speaker 2>story of a family and this weird superhero kind of

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<v Speaker 2>world that they're plucked into. I enjoyed it because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what to tell you. I liked that they

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<v Speaker 2>had Calypso in here, who's his love interest from the comics,

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<v Speaker 2>and I actually think they did her character better than

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it was great.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think this movie needed to come out

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<v Speaker 2>six years ago and then there would have been some

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<v Speaker 2>hope for the Sony universe. Then then it would have

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<v Speaker 2>felt like they were building towards something. I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of superfluous stuff in this movie. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it's the best by any means. This is not

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<v Speaker 2>a great movie, but comparatively speaking, had a good time.

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<v Speaker 4>I will say, you've said it, and I've said it before,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think Mike will probably echo it as well.

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<v Speaker 4>The fact that these movies are coming out in twenty

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<v Speaker 4>twenty four is wild to me. These movies feel like

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<v Speaker 4>they should have been coming out in the mid tens,

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<v Speaker 4>if not the late two thousands. Like this style of

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<v Speaker 4>making superhero movies is not a thing anymore, and they

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<v Speaker 4>now I hope they realize it, because they're not getting

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<v Speaker 4>any further with any of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Sony is like country music.

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<v Speaker 2>It's only sort of ten years behind the times, Like

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<v Speaker 2>country gets poppy eventually. Now country is getting a bit

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<v Speaker 2>hip hoppy and it's always a little tenu. So Sony's

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<v Speaker 2>just like oh, we figured out actually how to do

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<v Speaker 2>a superhero movie too late.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I've been hearing that this is doing so well

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<v Speaker 6>that they might actually continue these Spider verse that they're

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<v Speaker 6>trying to do over here. I would say this might

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<v Speaker 6>be the best of the lot for me, and that

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<v Speaker 6>includes those Spider Man movies, because I fucking hate it

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<v Speaker 6>those things. Man, Oh God, could not stand those and

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<v Speaker 6>I'm so glad that they're not coming out with any

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<v Speaker 6>more of those. I don't care what happened to Peter

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<v Speaker 6>Parker's parents. I don't care about the Sinister six.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh you're talking about the Andrew Garfield stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, because that's all part of this, right, This

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<v Speaker 6>is all Sony, Like that was Sony's oh we're good,

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<v Speaker 6>we gotta make a Spider Man movie or else we'll

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<v Speaker 6>lose the right kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 4>This is part of the MCU.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, this is no, this is the Sony verse.

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<v Speaker 1>It is this.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the Sony verse, Mike. But I think but once,

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<v Speaker 2>once the MCU got a hold of Spider Man, I

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<v Speaker 2>think Sony was doing a wait and see kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>By then, they had released Andrew Garfield, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>they thought they were going to have a trading situation

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<v Speaker 2>where they were going to get Tom harl holland every

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<v Speaker 2>other movie instead of five movies in a row for Marvel.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, yeah, which would be fine. It is just so

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<v Speaker 6>through the heroes and put together this whole collection of villains,

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<v Speaker 6>because you're right, it's odd that Craven is a hero

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<v Speaker 6>in this, and I don't know what's going to suddenly

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<v Speaker 6>turn him into a villain other than his intense fear

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<v Speaker 6>of spiders.

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<v Speaker 4>I suppose, Yeah, that was spiders that looked like men.

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<v Speaker 6>That could be.

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<v Speaker 1>That could be.

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<v Speaker 2>That's then next logical step of his prenatory fear that

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<v Speaker 2>is somehow genetically passed down by his insane mother.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, Yes, the fear that his mother had is the

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<v Speaker 6>same fear that he has too, which okay, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't mind this one at all. If anything, I

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<v Speaker 6>was like, Okay, I can see myself watching this again,

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<v Speaker 6>no problem. It's kind of like those first two Venom films,

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<v Speaker 6>especially the first one. I wouldn't go back to Carnage,

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<v Speaker 6>but the first Venom film I've watched quite a few times.

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<v Speaker 6>I think this is heads and shoulders above anything that

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<v Speaker 6>comes close to Madame Webb. I mean that was just

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<v Speaker 6>the shit show. Horrible acting, horrible everything. Just the way

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<v Speaker 6>Still don't know why it needed to be a period

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<v Speaker 6>piece other than that Madame Webb is super old in

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<v Speaker 6>the comics and we needed to set this back in

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<v Speaker 6>the three Peter Parker being born eighties kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know, but yeah, I kind of enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 6>I was really glad to see Alessandro Nivola. I kept

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<v Speaker 6>watching him through the whole movie, going is that Pollax Troy?

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<v Speaker 6>That looks like Pollax Troy and just that low talking

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<v Speaker 6>that he did as Alexi's whatever rhino. I was like, Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>this is pretty cool. The Foreigner, I don't know. He

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<v Speaker 6>But was it no kay villain? And I was glad

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<v Speaker 6>when he died. I applauded when he died.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they needed the foreigner.

418
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<v Speaker 2>See what we're talking about here is Sony owning every

419
00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:03.279
<v Speaker 2>thing that came out of the Spider Man books. Basically,

420
00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:06.480
<v Speaker 2>if it originated there, they get to use it. Unfortunately,

421
00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:09.839
<v Speaker 2>there's only one decent hero to emerge from Spider Man,

422
00:23:09.880 --> 00:23:13.079
<v Speaker 2>and that's fucking Spider Man. So they're left with these villains.

423
00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:16.200
<v Speaker 2>And I think it's a good idea to give us

424
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<v Speaker 2>these spinoff I want to see a Sinister six movie.

425
00:23:19.640 --> 00:23:22.759
<v Speaker 2>And it's really easy to do that. You just make

426
00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:27.960
<v Speaker 2>a villain worse than them. Bob's your uncle. But they

427
00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:29.839
<v Speaker 2>have to be villains to begin with, or what's the

428
00:23:29.839 --> 00:23:32.480
<v Speaker 2>fucking point of this? Because we're not gonna buy the

429
00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:35.680
<v Speaker 2>turn when they have to finally turn against Spider Man,

430
00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:38.920
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna have to concoct some bullshit like they're fucking

431
00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:42.759
<v Speaker 2>mystically controlled or some nonsense. But I can't see this Craven,

432
00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:46.559
<v Speaker 2>no matter how badly he fears whatever, going after Spider

433
00:23:46.599 --> 00:23:48.240
<v Speaker 2>Man the way he does in the books.

434
00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:53.279
<v Speaker 4>It reminded me a lot of the Scorpion King. When

435
00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:54.839
<v Speaker 4>I watched that movie, I'm like, how is he the

436
00:23:54.880 --> 00:23:58.559
<v Speaker 4>bad guy in the Mummy Return? It's like, what you know,

437
00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:00.880
<v Speaker 4>When we were walking out of the movie, we saw

438
00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:03.559
<v Speaker 4>the poster for the movie and it says heroes aren't born,

439
00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:07.799
<v Speaker 4>they're made. Our villains aren't born, they're made. It's like, yes,

440
00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:10.880
<v Speaker 4>Craven is a villain, but not in this movie, Craven

441
00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:13.200
<v Speaker 4>is a villain, but not in this telling of the story.

442
00:24:13.240 --> 00:24:17.160
<v Speaker 4>Craven is the character in the I think to your point,

443
00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:20.359
<v Speaker 4>Father Malone, the worst sin of this movie is the

444
00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:23.079
<v Speaker 4>fact that it does not understand the character of Craven

445
00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:25.960
<v Speaker 4>at all. It has taken the character of Craven and

446
00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:30.400
<v Speaker 4>done something to him that I think is Wolverine esque,

447
00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:33.319
<v Speaker 4>is what it feels like, like, Oh, we don't have

448
00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:35.920
<v Speaker 4>access to Wolverine, so we'll just kind of make a

449
00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:40.720
<v Speaker 4>Wolverine movie without Wolverine. That's kind of what it reminded

450
00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:42.519
<v Speaker 4>me of, like an R rated, well like an R

451
00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:45.000
<v Speaker 4>rate like Logan essentially, but you know, if Logan was

452
00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:48.920
<v Speaker 4>made by less capable people. Though I'm not sure I

453
00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:51.880
<v Speaker 4>would put James Mangold in a camp of capable people

454
00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:55.200
<v Speaker 4>given the amazing work he turned in with such classics

455
00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:56.400
<v Speaker 4>like Dial of Destiny.

456
00:24:56.799 --> 00:25:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's better than X Men Origin's Wolverine. Oh boy, yeah, that.

457
00:25:01.359 --> 00:25:03.759
<v Speaker 4>Is the damningest of Fate praise.

458
00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's still a better movie than that.

459
00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:08.519
<v Speaker 4>I agree. I agree with you there.

460
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I would actually wouldn't mind seeing a sequel to

461
00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:15.799
<v Speaker 6>this to see how Graven goes after his brother and

462
00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:18.799
<v Speaker 6>I was glad the way that they slow built Chameleon.

463
00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:20.559
<v Speaker 6>I mean they kind of handed it to us. At

464
00:25:20.599 --> 00:25:23.720
<v Speaker 6>one point when he's singing like Tony Bennett and his

465
00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:27.319
<v Speaker 6>dad's like, oh, he's the Chameleon. I was like, okay,

466
00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:31.559
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I'm on the whole Russian thing, and I'm

467
00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:34.400
<v Speaker 6>so glad that they were like, oh yeah, these kids

468
00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:36.680
<v Speaker 6>were raised in America, so it doesn't have to be

469
00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:41.759
<v Speaker 6>Aaron Taylor Johnson putting on his whole Socovian accent quicksilver again.

470
00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:44.319
<v Speaker 6>Oh my god. I was just like, please, no, I

471
00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:47.400
<v Speaker 6>don't need that, because I mean Age of Ultron for

472
00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:49.799
<v Speaker 6>me is one of the worst Marvel films that has

473
00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:53.039
<v Speaker 6>been made, just because they didn't understand what the hell

474
00:25:53.079 --> 00:25:55.839
<v Speaker 6>to do with that thing. But I was once he

475
00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:59.119
<v Speaker 6>started to speak with an American accent, I was like, oh,

476
00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:01.359
<v Speaker 6>thank god, I'm I'm much happier.

477
00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:04.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, speaking to the James Bond of

478
00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:07.400
<v Speaker 2>it all. Whenever his name got mentioned, I thought, well,

479
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:11.359
<v Speaker 2>that's a terrible idea. Honestly, watching this movie, I thought,

480
00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:13.519
<v Speaker 2>oh no, I get it. I could see him as it.

481
00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:16.599
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, same thing. I said the exact same thing to

482
00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:19.680
<v Speaker 6>Chris yesterday especially when he's like all dappered up and

483
00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:22.640
<v Speaker 6>in London, he's got his brother's jacket on. I'm just like,

484
00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:24.680
<v Speaker 6>look at this dapper motherfucker.

485
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:27.599
<v Speaker 2>This guy could be bond And you know, you mentioned

486
00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:29.880
<v Speaker 2>like the family thing where they kind of build in

487
00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:33.720
<v Speaker 2>that we get the chameleon by the end, Like I

488
00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:36.480
<v Speaker 2>would like a sequel that did feel natural, Like I

489
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:40.200
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed the dynamics in this family all the while dealing

490
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:45.359
<v Speaker 2>with the external threat, which is ostensibly Nevola as the Rhino.

491
00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:49.440
<v Speaker 2>The effects for Rhino are a little bit ropey, not

492
00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:53.440
<v Speaker 2>that great during that final sequence, but I gotta say

493
00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:57.160
<v Speaker 2>it reminded me that as a child, I religiously watched

494
00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:01.000
<v Speaker 2>that Spider Man cartoon. That's the that's the Spider Man,

495
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Spider Man, that's where that you know, where that song

496
00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:06.599
<v Speaker 2>came from. And the Rhino was always my favorite character

497
00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:09.720
<v Speaker 2>on that show. I just thought he was the fucking coolest.

498
00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:13.359
<v Speaker 2>So I like that we got him and it wasn't

499
00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:18.119
<v Speaker 2>a giant fucking robot with Paul and Jamadi inside him.

500
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:20.000
<v Speaker 6>Doing a horrible Russian accent in.

501
00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:24.759
<v Speaker 2>That role over the top, over the planet.

502
00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:25.440
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

503
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:28.720
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it was interesting that they named checked Miles Warren,

504
00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:30.759
<v Speaker 6>and I was just like, oh, man, I know, I

505
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:32.519
<v Speaker 6>know that name. And it took me a little while

506
00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:35.000
<v Speaker 6>to realize that he was the Jackal, and I was like,

507
00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:37.279
<v Speaker 6>oh fuck, are they going to build in the clone

508
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:40.160
<v Speaker 6>story to this thing? I hope not, because that's probably

509
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:43.880
<v Speaker 6>the worst thing that ever happened to Spider Man. Was

510
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:48.119
<v Speaker 6>the whole idea Ben Riley, Oh yeah, Ben Riley. And

511
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:50.759
<v Speaker 6>I mean, because there's more than just him, right, aren't

512
00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:54.039
<v Speaker 6>there more clones of Spider Man? Oh Jesus right.

513
00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:56.839
<v Speaker 2>I gotta say teasing the Jackal was pretty cool at

514
00:27:57.160 --> 00:27:59.839
<v Speaker 2>having him be like a genetic splicing kind of a guy.

515
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Who right, you know, because let's face it, most of

516
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Spider Man's villains are based on animals, so we might

517
00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:07.000
<v Speaker 2>as well have someone pulling all those strings.

518
00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:07.680
<v Speaker 5>Well.

519
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:10.920
<v Speaker 6>It also is so much better that Rhino is a

520
00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:14.880
<v Speaker 6>genetic thing, and I like the whole the medicine that

521
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:18.279
<v Speaker 6>keeps him from transforming and talking about pain that it

522
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:22.359
<v Speaker 6>causes when he transforms a little bit smarter than the

523
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:25.240
<v Speaker 6>original Rhino, who I think was what just he got

524
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:27.960
<v Speaker 6>stuck in the suit, like something happened and he's never

525
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:29.960
<v Speaker 6>going to leave that suit and I'm like, man, that.

526
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Suit's gotta stink exactly like black masks mask just through

527
00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:37.359
<v Speaker 1>his gall at that point.

528
00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:40.920
<v Speaker 4>I you know, I I think when it came to

529
00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:45.200
<v Speaker 4>Alessandro Navola, who I mean, I think he's a great actor.

530
00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:48.359
<v Speaker 4>I mean Jurassic Park three, you know, come on, he's

531
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:53.559
<v Speaker 4>also He also played Michael Imperioli's father in The Many Saints,

532
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:59.799
<v Speaker 4>The Many Saints of Newark, the Soprano's prequel. He's he's good.

533
00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:02.119
<v Speaker 4>I wish they gave him more to do because it

534
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:05.680
<v Speaker 4>seems like they gave most of everything to Russell Crowe.

535
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:08.319
<v Speaker 1>It's Russell Crowe, and you have everything to do?

536
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:13.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like Russell crow Is it just mirrored? Does it

537
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:15.720
<v Speaker 4>feel like we've gotten a glut of things with Russell

538
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:17.319
<v Speaker 4>Crowe in them all of a sudden.

539
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:18.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

540
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:19.559
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, Glad either too.

541
00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:25.000
<v Speaker 4>Oh right now, there's that Netflix movie where he's like

542
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:28.079
<v Speaker 4>a psycho like driver that's supposedly pretty good. And then

543
00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:31.240
<v Speaker 4>he was in the Exorcism, and then he was.

544
00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:34.079
<v Speaker 1>In a movie about the making of an exorcism.

545
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:36.599
<v Speaker 4>Yeah right, well that was the Exorcism, and then the

546
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:38.720
<v Speaker 4>other one was, uh.

547
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:43.240
<v Speaker 1>The Last Exorcist or something. Yes, the Pope Exorcist, which

548
00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:44.440
<v Speaker 1>was a hoot by the way.

549
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:46.680
<v Speaker 4>Which was great. Yeah, The Pope's Exorcist was a lot

550
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:48.839
<v Speaker 4>of fun. I'm super excited to see a sequel to

551
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:53.480
<v Speaker 4>that movie. Russell Crowe kind of steals the show. And

552
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:56.440
<v Speaker 4>that's too bad because I mean, again, to go back

553
00:29:56.440 --> 00:29:59.680
<v Speaker 4>to what I was saying earlier, like Aaron Taylor Johnson

554
00:29:59.880 --> 00:30:02.039
<v Speaker 4>is it's just one of those actors I don't get.

555
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:07.160
<v Speaker 4>I haven't understood it since Godzilla. I kind of got

556
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:10.440
<v Speaker 4>it when he was playing kick Ass. He was in

557
00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:14.240
<v Speaker 4>Shanghai Knights as Charlie Chaplin many moons ago, like many

558
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:17.759
<v Speaker 4>Moons Ago. Yeah, he played child Charlie Chaplin and Shanghai Knights.

559
00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:20.680
<v Speaker 4>That was like one of his first acting roles. He

560
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:23.599
<v Speaker 4>was like a child. I just for me, He's like

561
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:27.519
<v Speaker 4>Sam Worthington and Joel Kinneman, and.

562
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:29.720
<v Speaker 1>I like, like Joel Kinneman, do not compare them to

563
00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:30.440
<v Speaker 1>that other fund.

564
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:33.400
<v Speaker 4>Okay, how's this Sam Worthington, Jay Courtney.

565
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:37.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I get those two being lumped into the same category,

566
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:40.359
<v Speaker 2>and I kind of see Aaron Taylor Johnson, depending on

567
00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:42.519
<v Speaker 2>the role, falling into that as well. But at the

568
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:44.559
<v Speaker 2>same time, you mentioned a couple where he's good and

569
00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:45.720
<v Speaker 2>I think he's really good here.

570
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:48.559
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think he's really good in Bullet Train. I

571
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:51.119
<v Speaker 6>really like him in that one. I'm curious to see

572
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:54.319
<v Speaker 6>him in this Nosferato. He's supposed to be in that

573
00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:58.680
<v Speaker 6>as well, So curious. And he was okay in The

574
00:30:58.759 --> 00:31:03.599
<v Speaker 6>Kingsman as well King's Man. Sorry, that's right. And apparently

575
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:06.519
<v Speaker 6>he was in Tenant, but I have pretty much no

576
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:09.200
<v Speaker 6>memory of that movie, which I'm really glad for because

577
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:10.440
<v Speaker 6>that was so awful.

578
00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Can I mention one weird thing in this movie? The

579
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:17.359
<v Speaker 2>movie starts with a prison break sequence in like in

580
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:17.920
<v Speaker 2>a Gulac.

581
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:21.960
<v Speaker 6>But yeah, I kept waiting for what's his name from

582
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:26.599
<v Speaker 6>The Crimson Commando. I kept thinking of the prison break

583
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:28.799
<v Speaker 6>scene in Black Widow. I was just like, oh boy.

584
00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:31.799
<v Speaker 2>But while the production logos are going, and what is

585
00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:35.119
<v Speaker 2>effectively the credit sequence, the theme music from The Hunt

586
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:36.599
<v Speaker 2>for Red October is play.

587
00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:37.799
<v Speaker 3>Yes, thank You.

588
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:40.279
<v Speaker 6>Andrew was like, what is that music? And I was like,

589
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:42.759
<v Speaker 6>and sleep shall Bring New holes.

590
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was an usher at a movie theater playing

591
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:48.200
<v Speaker 2>the Hunt for Red October.

592
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:51.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I know that music. Intimately so wonderful.

593
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:54.839
<v Speaker 6>Wonder In the the end of the movie with the Yeah,

594
00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:56.960
<v Speaker 6>oh yeah, it's so good and yeah when that music

595
00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:00.880
<v Speaker 6>comes up. Oh, it was a great movie to clean

596
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:01.599
<v Speaker 6>the theater too.

597
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:05.799
<v Speaker 1>It absolutely was. So this movie starts and I'm like

598
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:07.839
<v Speaker 1>what what? No?

599
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:09.079
<v Speaker 4>What? No?

600
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:12.279
<v Speaker 1>And yet I mean I get it.

601
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:15.839
<v Speaker 2>It's like a you know, it's a Columbia or Sony property,

602
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:16.839
<v Speaker 2>so they can get away with it.

603
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:19.480
<v Speaker 1>But just use the Russian national anth just use any dump.

604
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.319
<v Speaker 1>That was weird. It was a weird way to start.

605
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:24.559
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because I had

606
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:27.160
<v Speaker 6>totally forgotten about it. But yes, as soon as that

607
00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:30.000
<v Speaker 6>music started, I was like I know this and yeah,

608
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:37.200
<v Speaker 6>Andrews like what is this? This is familiar to me? Yeah,

609
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.240
<v Speaker 6>that was wild. And yeah I just kept thinking of, like, well,

610
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:44.440
<v Speaker 6>all the prison break movies, but especially thinking of Black

611
00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:46.640
<v Speaker 6>Widow breaking her father out of prison. I was just like,

612
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:50.000
<v Speaker 6>is he in that same jail? Or is there was

613
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:54.079
<v Speaker 6>also a prison break in one of the Mission Impossibles

614
00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:56.720
<v Speaker 6>that I think was also in a Russian prison, And

615
00:32:56.759 --> 00:32:59.440
<v Speaker 6>I was like, all right, waiting for like, okay, open

616
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:01.519
<v Speaker 6>up this door or open up this door. But instead,

617
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:04.640
<v Speaker 6>as soon as he starts like crawling around on the walls,

618
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:09.599
<v Speaker 6>I was like, Oh, okay, this guy. It's not just strength,

619
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:14.240
<v Speaker 6>it's also this crawling and jumping ability. So all right,

620
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:17.200
<v Speaker 6>I guess that stuff that Calypso gives him is almost

621
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:19.359
<v Speaker 6>like super soldier serum.

622
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:22.759
<v Speaker 4>So clearly defined where his superpower is in this movie, right.

623
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:26.720
<v Speaker 2>I think they seem pretty defined. Actually, he doesn't necessarily

624
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:29.599
<v Speaker 2>commune with animals, but he has their powers and can

625
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:33.279
<v Speaker 2>sort of catch their drift. He's also a super strength

626
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:34.720
<v Speaker 2>and super agility.

627
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:38.359
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, a very beastmaster. I kept waiting for, Like, there's

628
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:41.160
<v Speaker 6>one part where like a hawk is tapping on the

629
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:43.920
<v Speaker 6>glass window and I was just like, Oh, he's going

630
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:46.359
<v Speaker 6>to see through the hawk's eyes, But no, he doesn't.

631
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:46.799
<v Speaker 1>You know.

632
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:50.279
<v Speaker 2>In the comic that serum that Calypso gives him is

633
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:54.279
<v Speaker 2>basically like a super soldier serum like the Wakandan herb,

634
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:58.119
<v Speaker 2>but here they kind of use it like resurrection juice,

635
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:01.400
<v Speaker 2>and it has a side effect of the of the

636
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:03.720
<v Speaker 2>strength and the and and the connection to nature.

637
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

638
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:07.960
<v Speaker 6>I found interesting the way that they did the opening

639
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:10.880
<v Speaker 6>and then going back in time and showing his origin

640
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:13.639
<v Speaker 6>story and speaking of Russell Crowe. There are a couple

641
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:16.800
<v Speaker 6>of times like when the lion attacks him and is

642
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:20.280
<v Speaker 6>carrying him across the savannah. There's a shot where his

643
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:23.679
<v Speaker 6>hand is hanging and it's like brushing all of this,

644
00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:26.760
<v Speaker 6>all this fauna, and I just kept thinking of that

645
00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:30.079
<v Speaker 6>shot of Russell Crowe when he's touching the heads of

646
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:31.920
<v Speaker 6>the stalks of wheat, and I was like, I wonder

647
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:35.079
<v Speaker 6>if they're doing this as a little homage to Russell

648
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:38.840
<v Speaker 6>Crowe in Gladiator. You mean, yeah, a little Gladiator.

649
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:42.880
<v Speaker 2>The violence in this movie. There's a particular sequence where

650
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:45.119
<v Speaker 2>he's taking out all of Rhino's men in the forest,

651
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:49.800
<v Speaker 2>which is incredibly bloody and kind of fantastic. Honestly, it's

652
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:53.280
<v Speaker 2>a it's a very rambo section of this movie. Uh,

653
00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:56.159
<v Speaker 2>not to not to hammer this, but we're gonna have

654
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:58.679
<v Speaker 2>him acting this way, but we're not going to make

655
00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:01.800
<v Speaker 2>him a villa. Just make him just can't you just

656
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:05.239
<v Speaker 2>give him like a diet danger diabolic kind of thing

657
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:07.880
<v Speaker 2>where he just gets off breaking the rules. Like, just

658
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:11.000
<v Speaker 2>make him wanted for something other than doing something noble.

659
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Because when we start this movie, he's got a list

660
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:16.000
<v Speaker 2>like he's green Arrow or something like taking out like

661
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:19.440
<v Speaker 2>they all these these criminals. Basically, what they've done is

662
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:24.239
<v Speaker 2>turn Craven the Hunter into Craven the Punisher here, Yeah, it's.

663
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:28.559
<v Speaker 4>Kind of dexter adjacent. He only kills bad people, like okay.

664
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:30.960
<v Speaker 6>Well, yeah, I was actually thinking of the Punisher because

665
00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:35.039
<v Speaker 6>I didn't dive into this area of the mythos. But

666
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:39.079
<v Speaker 6>when the foreigners like, oh he killed my mentor and

667
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:41.079
<v Speaker 6>he holds up a copy just happens to have a

668
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:43.760
<v Speaker 6>copy of The Daily Bugle with him, and it's like

669
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:47.760
<v Speaker 6>what Hunter kills Hitman or something? And I was like, well,

670
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:50.880
<v Speaker 6>who is that? Is that the Punisher? Who could that be?

671
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:55.519
<v Speaker 6>So I didn't didn't go back into the Wikipedia to find.

672
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:57.960
<v Speaker 1>That one out. Yeah, that one's lost on me too.

673
00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:00.039
<v Speaker 2>But oh, thank god we got The Daily Bugle and

674
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:02.639
<v Speaker 2>every one of these Sony movies just to tie and

675
00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:07.280
<v Speaker 2>Tias in. Oh, don't forget this is a Spider Man movie, folks.

676
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:09.719
<v Speaker 4>At least they didn't have baby spider Man.

677
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:11.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh god god.

678
00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:15.320
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, this one felt the most in universe with those

679
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:18.400
<v Speaker 6>Andrew Garfields to me, as far as like, oh there

680
00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:21.320
<v Speaker 6>could be a Spider Man in this universe.

681
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:24.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, this one felt the most realized of any

682
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:28.800
<v Speaker 2>of them. It seemed to know what where it stood

683
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:31.639
<v Speaker 2>in relation to the other movies and what it had

684
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:35.039
<v Speaker 2>to give, whereas Venom it seemed like and I think that,

685
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:37.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, from what I read, the producers were always like,

686
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:40.480
<v Speaker 2>this is standalone stuff. Yes, it kind of shares the universe,

687
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:43.039
<v Speaker 2>but not really, so I don't think they were ever

688
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:45.599
<v Speaker 2>looking to build anything on anything with those other movies.

689
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:48.199
<v Speaker 2>They were hoping with Morbius, but Jesus Christ, what a

690
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:50.119
<v Speaker 2>fiasco and then Madam Webble.

691
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:52.960
<v Speaker 4>It is crazy how many of these movies. They made.

692
00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:57.599
<v Speaker 4>Three Venom movies, Morbius, Madam Webb and Craven the Hunter,

693
00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:03.159
<v Speaker 4>and and don't forget Spider Noir the TV show.

694
00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:05.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking forward to that, actually, sorry.

695
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:09.119
<v Speaker 4>Nicholas Cage, Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. But it's

696
00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:12.079
<v Speaker 4>part of this is this is this is that that's

697
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.880
<v Speaker 4>technically the last entry in all of this, because that's

698
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:16.719
<v Speaker 4>coming out I think next year.

699
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:20.599
<v Speaker 2>But that's part that's part of Into the Spider Verse, right,

700
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:24.079
<v Speaker 2>well technically so is this isn't it? No, But into

701
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:27.119
<v Speaker 2>the Spider Verse sort of stands outside of everything because

702
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:29.719
<v Speaker 2>all of the different franchises can be found within there,

703
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:31.239
<v Speaker 2>so that's kind of its own deal.

704
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:35.880
<v Speaker 4>I don't fucking know. Anymore. How's that given the MCU

705
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:36.360
<v Speaker 4>of it all.

706
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:37.840
<v Speaker 5>Neither.

707
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:40.599
<v Speaker 4>It's they wanted all to be part of everything all

708
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:41.280
<v Speaker 4>the time.

709
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:44.559
<v Speaker 2>Like they wanted their own universe where they kept all

710
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:46.960
<v Speaker 2>the profits, and they wanted Marvel to do all the

711
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:50.800
<v Speaker 2>work for them. I mean that that was the deal, right.

712
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:53.519
<v Speaker 2>Initially they they put up all the financing and Marvel

713
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:56.960
<v Speaker 2>got five percent of the gross and kept the merchandising.

714
00:37:57.360 --> 00:37:59.760
<v Speaker 2>And then in twenty nineteen when they had to renegotiate,

715
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:04.199
<v Speaker 2>so Marvel wanted fifty percent of the gross, and that's

716
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:06.719
<v Speaker 2>when Sony was like, fuck you, we'll make our own

717
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Spider Man movies now, and Tom Holland brought them back

718
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:12.920
<v Speaker 2>to the table. And then now what happens is so

719
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Marvel pays for twenty five percent of the production budget

720
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:18.280
<v Speaker 2>and takes twenty five percent of the profit and has

721
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:20.199
<v Speaker 2>kept the merchandising rights.

722
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:21.320
<v Speaker 4>It's pretty smart.

723
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:27.639
<v Speaker 6>Foreigner's mentor might have been somebody named Chance who ended

724
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:30.960
<v Speaker 6>up cooking up with the Black Cat. So oh wait, no,

725
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:34.239
<v Speaker 6>I take it back, Foreigner became romantically involved with the

726
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:34.840
<v Speaker 6>Black Cat.

727
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:37.400
<v Speaker 1>So all these movies, we still.

728
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:38.280
<v Speaker 6>Do not have a black Cat.

729
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:40.519
<v Speaker 4>Come on, well, that was Silver and Black. That was

730
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:43.960
<v Speaker 4>the one that got canceled. Oh right, that was there.

731
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:46.440
<v Speaker 4>There was one that was Yeah, Silver and Black was

732
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:50.719
<v Speaker 4>going to be the Silver Sable and Black Cat movie.

733
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:52.760
<v Speaker 4>And I don't think they ever I'm not even sure

734
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.000
<v Speaker 4>they ever said who they were casting. I don't think

735
00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:59.639
<v Speaker 4>it ever got that far. Maybe it did, I don't know.

736
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:03.360
<v Speaker 4>I don't I never heard who they had cast. But

737
00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:05.880
<v Speaker 4>that that ended up going the way of the Dodo

738
00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:06.480
<v Speaker 4>as well.

739
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:09.440
<v Speaker 6>So remember when they made a Cloak and Dagger? What

740
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:10.599
<v Speaker 6>was that a TV show?

741
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:13.679
<v Speaker 4>Right? When they made an inhuman's TV show? Sure?

742
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:14.519
<v Speaker 6>Remember that one.

743
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:17.360
<v Speaker 4>And then they literally referenced it in fucking Doctor Strange

744
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:18.199
<v Speaker 4>of all things.

745
00:39:18.639 --> 00:39:22.360
<v Speaker 2>Remember that New Mutants movie.

746
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:26.199
<v Speaker 1>God man, this is like that.

747
00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:28.719
<v Speaker 4>This is in that same vein, right, It's just like

748
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.960
<v Speaker 4>it's a weird anomaly that stands out as its own

749
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:34.599
<v Speaker 4>thing when we're like the Look, I have my issues

750
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:38.079
<v Speaker 4>with the MCU, but for fuck's sake, this this makes

751
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:41.880
<v Speaker 4>the problems that the MCU is having look minor comparatively.

752
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, Mike, I agree with you, Mike. I'll go one further.

753
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:47.719
<v Speaker 2>I think this one actually could have fallen if you

754
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:49.320
<v Speaker 2>were to tell me this was part of the MCU.

755
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:52.800
<v Speaker 2>I would kind of buy it and was wondering, would

756
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.239
<v Speaker 2>wonder how they were going to tie it in. But

757
00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:58.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, we've all got superhero fatigue these days, and

758
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:01.360
<v Speaker 2>the problem with the reason we have it. We're all

759
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:04.599
<v Speaker 2>fucking pointing our fingers at Marvel, but it's really because

760
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:10.199
<v Speaker 2>of fucking Sony releasing poor effort after poor effort, along

761
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:13.159
<v Speaker 2>with DC not knowing what the fuck they're doing over there,

762
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:16.280
<v Speaker 2>and like, on top of that, we had twentieth Century

763
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Fox fucking shit up at least until what twenty twelve

764
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:19.840
<v Speaker 2>or so.

765
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:22.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh god, yeah, yeah.

766
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Obviously we're gonna burn out. They just keep giving us bullshit.

767
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:27.679
<v Speaker 6>No, you're one hundred percent right, because there were so

768
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:33.039
<v Speaker 6>many clunkers amongst all of those I mean DC, I mean,

769
00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:38.159
<v Speaker 6>in the last twelve fifteen years, it's been really fucking rough.

770
00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:42.239
<v Speaker 6>I mean, maybe the Suicide Squad is the one that

771
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:45.079
<v Speaker 6>I appreciate from that, and that's probably because of fucking

772
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:47.960
<v Speaker 6>James Gunn where it just becomes the Guardians of the

773
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:52.559
<v Speaker 6>Galaxy on Earth type of thing. And yeah, it's I

774
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:55.400
<v Speaker 6>don't know, I could see this fitting into the regular

775
00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:59.199
<v Speaker 6>MCU because I know Chris didn't like it, But I

776
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:02.400
<v Speaker 6>was of the opinion that this kind of fits with

777
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:06.119
<v Speaker 6>their style a lot more. And I could see now

778
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:08.880
<v Speaker 6>this Craven, I would actually see him teaming up with

779
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:13.000
<v Speaker 6>Tom Holland rather than going against him. But yeah, I

780
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:17.599
<v Speaker 6>agree that this is more more of a quality than

781
00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:20.920
<v Speaker 6>Sony has given us in a long damn time when

782
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:22.960
<v Speaker 6>it comes to these, and yeah, way better than some

783
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:25.320
<v Speaker 6>of those fucking X Men movies that they're doing for

784
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:25.920
<v Speaker 6>a while there.

785
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:27.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, X Men.

786
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:30.480
<v Speaker 6>Two one of the best, but x Men three one

787
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:33.519
<v Speaker 6>of the worst. I mean, they just vacillated like crazy.

788
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:36.000
<v Speaker 6>It was like being throttled whenever you went to see

789
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:37.480
<v Speaker 6>one of those X Men films.

790
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:41.159
<v Speaker 4>I could see this being a Netflix thing, That's what

791
00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:44.159
<v Speaker 4>I could see this being. To mention, like Father Malone,

792
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:46.920
<v Speaker 4>you already mentioned The Punisher, that was a Netflix thing

793
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:50.840
<v Speaker 4>technically part of the MCU, like it was, it's its

794
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:52.760
<v Speaker 4>own thing, but it's part of the MCU. There's a

795
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:56.199
<v Speaker 4>lot of violence in Gore and that I look. I

796
00:41:56.599 --> 00:42:00.079
<v Speaker 4>I do not disagree with you all in terms of

797
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:05.480
<v Speaker 4>of this version of Craven working in the MCU. I

798
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:07.360
<v Speaker 4>think he would work just fine, given that they have

799
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:10.360
<v Speaker 4>to figure out a way to make Deadpool work at

800
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:12.800
<v Speaker 4>this point, And I don't think that this character is

801
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:15.519
<v Speaker 4>any more or less hard to handle or get a

802
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:18.280
<v Speaker 4>wrangle on than Deadpool would be to put in the MCU.

803
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:20.320
<v Speaker 4>I don't think he's going to be in the MCU,

804
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:24.039
<v Speaker 4>but I also don't think that I don't think that

805
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:27.039
<v Speaker 4>they're going to do anything with Craven in the MCU. Anyways.

806
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:31.719
<v Speaker 6>It's going to be real awkward, real awkward when the

807
00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:36.519
<v Speaker 6>Scarlet Witch sees Craven and is like, you look just

808
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:39.360
<v Speaker 6>like my dead brother, right, And it's going to be

809
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:43.840
<v Speaker 6>real awkward if we ever see Paul Giamatti in that

810
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:47.360
<v Speaker 6>mechanical suit, because Craven's going to be like, didn't I

811
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:50.199
<v Speaker 6>fight you already? Weren't you a mutant before or some

812
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:52.440
<v Speaker 6>sort of like genetic hybrid.

813
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:56.400
<v Speaker 2>And on his way to the afterlife, Nikolai Cravenoff might

814
00:42:56.519 --> 00:42:59.400
<v Speaker 2>run into Zeus.

815
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:01.920
<v Speaker 6>Exactly and be like, you look just like Craven's dad.

816
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:06.199
<v Speaker 1>The stars were so many they seem to overlap.

817
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:11.079
<v Speaker 4>I guess my question to y'all is, given that this

818
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:14.440
<v Speaker 4>is the end of the Sony Spider Verse as it

819
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:17.960
<v Speaker 4>were in terms of theatrical releases, and you've already kind

820
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:20.639
<v Speaker 4>of touched on it a little bit, Mike, like, is

821
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:23.639
<v Speaker 4>this in the top third? And if it is in

822
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:26.960
<v Speaker 4>the top third, is that just because everything else is

823
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:29.760
<v Speaker 4>so bad as well? Like this movie didn't have very

824
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:32.760
<v Speaker 4>far to go to be better than everything else, Like

825
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:37.079
<v Speaker 4>Madam Webb is an affront to most cinematic good taste

826
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:39.559
<v Speaker 4>the Venom movies, You're gonna kind of you know, your

827
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:42.320
<v Speaker 4>mileage will vary. I would go as far as to say,

828
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:44.239
<v Speaker 4>I think I enjoyed all of the Venam movies more

829
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:49.400
<v Speaker 4>than I enjoyed this movie. But for me, is this

830
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:52.000
<v Speaker 4>is this good on its own? Or is it just

831
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:54.320
<v Speaker 4>good because everything else that we've seen up to this

832
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:59.079
<v Speaker 4>point has been so kind of mediocre to outright bad.

833
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:03.239
<v Speaker 1>I likeked it comparatively, and ianked it on its own.

834
00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:05.599
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think I'm there. I think I'm there with you.

835
00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:08.079
<v Speaker 6>I mean I, like I said, I can really see

836
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:11.800
<v Speaker 6>myself watching this again. I can see this going onto

837
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:15.639
<v Speaker 6>my wife's plex playlist that she just repeats constantly and

838
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:18.480
<v Speaker 6>being like, Okay, I'm alright with this a lot more

839
00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:22.159
<v Speaker 6>than things like you already mentioned Aaron Taylor Johnson and

840
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:26.800
<v Speaker 6>Godzilla that one ooof man oh man, that was that's

841
00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:27.599
<v Speaker 6>a rough one.

842
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:29.840
<v Speaker 4>I just he he for me is an actor that

843
00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:34.480
<v Speaker 4>I'm just not super into in what he does. It

844
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:38.079
<v Speaker 4>just kind of always falls flat. And when when they

845
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:39.840
<v Speaker 4>when they announced that he was going to be Craven,

846
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:44.320
<v Speaker 4>I was like, okay, like all right, like he's already

847
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:47.119
<v Speaker 4>played a character in the MCU, Like we couldn't have

848
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:51.400
<v Speaker 4>found somebody else to play Craven. And I mean, clearly

849
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:54.320
<v Speaker 4>the MCU has no interest in doing anything with Craven.

850
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:58.559
<v Speaker 4>So that's probably for me, the biggest shame is that

851
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:01.800
<v Speaker 4>we may never get Crave in the actual MCU the

852
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:05.800
<v Speaker 4>way he should because to both of y'all's points, like

853
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:08.800
<v Speaker 4>he's a pretty big part of the Spider Man mythos,

854
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:11.960
<v Speaker 4>Like he's a huge part of the Spider Man mythos.

855
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:15.400
<v Speaker 4>He's constantly hunting Spider Man.

856
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:18.719
<v Speaker 2>Like well, and his brother, the Chameleon was the first

857
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:21.000
<v Speaker 2>villain in Spider Man one.

858
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:26.639
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So for me, it's just like it's almost like

859
00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:29.440
<v Speaker 4>they kind of let the cat out of the bag,

860
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:32.400
<v Speaker 4>like they should have let the MCU do Craven, just

861
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:34.679
<v Speaker 4>like they probably should have let the MCU do Venom,

862
00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:35.639
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean.

863
00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But they're going to eventually, that's the thing. Eventually

864
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:42.480
<v Speaker 2>we'll just somehow get all the rights back and then

865
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:46.480
<v Speaker 2>we'll get the other versions, including I'm now looking forward

866
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:48.559
<v Speaker 2>to the MCU's version of Craven because we're going to

867
00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:53.079
<v Speaker 2>get the fucking psychopath hunter who is all braggadoccio and

868
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:56.320
<v Speaker 2>will hunt anything as just to prove that he can

869
00:45:56.360 --> 00:46:00.360
<v Speaker 2>fucking do it, including villains, including heroes, including women, children

870
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:01.400
<v Speaker 2>who cares.

871
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:08.000
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'm yeah, that's the thing. Is like, I picture

872
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:11.800
<v Speaker 6>Venom as not Venom Jesus. I picture Craven as a

873
00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:16.000
<v Speaker 6>much more bloodthirsty, crazy guy, and this one I'm like,

874
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:18.199
<v Speaker 6>oh no, he seems like a pretty nice dude, And

875
00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:21.079
<v Speaker 6>especially the way he's protecting the animals and stuff, I

876
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:23.119
<v Speaker 6>was like, oh yeah, if this guy is just all

877
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:27.000
<v Speaker 6>about taking down poachers, let's do it. I'm here for it.

878
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:30.199
<v Speaker 1>And let's stop across the board.

879
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:34.280
<v Speaker 2>Do not tease a comic accurate outfit that you're going

880
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:36.440
<v Speaker 2>to show us for two seconds, stop doing.

881
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:39.199
<v Speaker 1>Because I'll tell you what.

882
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:42.039
<v Speaker 2>The entire time, I kept thinking, like, when they announced

883
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:43.400
<v Speaker 2>that he was coming, I'm like, they're gonna do a

884
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:45.360
<v Speaker 2>Craven movie. Are they going to put him in that

885
00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:48.639
<v Speaker 2>fucking vest, cause that could be weird. And then at

886
00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:50.800
<v Speaker 2>the end of this movie, I'm like, yeah, I like it.

887
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Go I want to see him running around in that shit.

888
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:57.599
<v Speaker 4>And they did the same thing that Fox did with Wolverine.

889
00:46:57.639 --> 00:46:59.960
<v Speaker 4>They were like, oh, it would look dumb. It's like, well, no,

890
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:04.920
<v Speaker 4>I mean people popped like crazy and Deadpool Wolverine for

891
00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:09.360
<v Speaker 4>when Wolverine put his like mask yellow suit. Yeah, people

892
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:12.320
<v Speaker 4>went ape shit for that, Like, hey, I'm sorry, but

893
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:14.719
<v Speaker 4>if you're gonna have him on your poster wearing it,

894
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:16.599
<v Speaker 4>you can't just show it in the last thirty seconds

895
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:19.599
<v Speaker 4>of the movie. That's pretty that's pretty lame. Like all

896
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:23.599
<v Speaker 4>the advertising has him in that in the iconic you know,

897
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:26.400
<v Speaker 4>lion vest, and it's like, oh, we're just gonna show

898
00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:29.159
<v Speaker 4>him sitting in his throne at the end of the movie. Okay,

899
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:33.719
<v Speaker 4>Like that felt so unearned, and the movie was like

900
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:38.400
<v Speaker 4>cee cee cee, He's craving. Now It's like, no, I

901
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:39.039
<v Speaker 4>don't think so.

902
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:41.559
<v Speaker 2>I think it was totally earned. I'm just mad that

903
00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:43.880
<v Speaker 2>they that they keep doing that and all the bullshit movies,

904
00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:47.360
<v Speaker 2>and then when they finally get one right, I'm like, oh, no,

905
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:49.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't ever get to see him do that. I

906
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:51.800
<v Speaker 2>don't ever see him running around and throwing a spear

907
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:53.800
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of New York City with the fucking

908
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:54.880
<v Speaker 2>lion vest On.

909
00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Come on, now, well.

910
00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:58.880
<v Speaker 4>And that's the thing. That's the thing for me. I

911
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:01.840
<v Speaker 4>would have preferred it to be more accurate to the

912
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:04.039
<v Speaker 4>comic book. But again, then you, I guess you run

913
00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:06.639
<v Speaker 4>into the issue of it looking and seeming silly.

914
00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:09.480
<v Speaker 2>I guess, well, you know, the thing is the thing

915
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:12.920
<v Speaker 2>that all the fans were clamoring for. That Craven's most

916
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:15.639
<v Speaker 2>famous book occurred in the middle of the nineteen eighties,

917
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:19.360
<v Speaker 2>and that's Craven's Last Hunt, where he has determined that

918
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.119
<v Speaker 2>he will go all out to kill Spider Man, and

919
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:25.000
<v Speaker 2>he believes he does it. He buries Spider Man in

920
00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:29.440
<v Speaker 2>this like concrete coffin, and you know, buries him obviously,

921
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:33.880
<v Speaker 2>and then having completed his task, he goes and kills himself.

922
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:36.599
<v Speaker 2>And then that's the end of Craven as a character.

923
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:39.920
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know why fans were hoping that that

924
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:43.719
<v Speaker 2>would be this adadation. It seems a little self defeating.

925
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:46.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I want to see that story and if

926
00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:49.000
<v Speaker 2>they had known that this was going to be the last,

927
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:51.400
<v Speaker 2>then I would have suggested that they go for it,

928
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:54.400
<v Speaker 2>but clearly they thought they were going to continue. Nevertheless,

929
00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:56.559
<v Speaker 2>that does leave the door open for the Marvel Universe

930
00:48:56.599 --> 00:48:59.119
<v Speaker 2>to do that story. They could do Craven as a

931
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:01.840
<v Speaker 2>one off and have him be a villain who ends

932
00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:02.559
<v Speaker 2>up killing himself.

933
00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:03.920
<v Speaker 1>I'd be totally satisfied with that.

934
00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:07.440
<v Speaker 6>He killed Spider Man. He means Spider Man's dead.

935
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:10.079
<v Speaker 1>He is many years now.

936
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:13.039
<v Speaker 6>Oh wow, is his clone still alive?

937
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:15.159
<v Speaker 1>No, but we got but we got Miles.

938
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:17.920
<v Speaker 6>Yes, we did have Miles Morales.

939
00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Thank goodness.

940
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:22.039
<v Speaker 4>I think for me, with a movie like this and

941
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:26.239
<v Speaker 4>so many of these other non MCU but Marvel things,

942
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:31.679
<v Speaker 4>they are fighting an uphill battle because the MCU, for

943
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:35.519
<v Speaker 4>the longest time set the bar very high and was

944
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:38.079
<v Speaker 4>essentially like the high water mark of these kinds of things.

945
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:41.400
<v Speaker 4>Now that the MCU has kind of faltered a little

946
00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:43.599
<v Speaker 4>bit and is kind of going back on the way

947
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:49.079
<v Speaker 4>that they've done things, I look at something like this

948
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:53.360
<v Speaker 4>and think to myself, like, Okay, so you did this.

949
00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:58.480
<v Speaker 4>You kind of just made this movie. It underperformed, You're

950
00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:01.960
<v Speaker 4>not doing anything else with it, Like, why did we

951
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:04.400
<v Speaker 4>do this? In the first place, it's just for the

952
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:07.079
<v Speaker 4>continuation of the rights. It's just to hold down like

953
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:09.840
<v Speaker 4>the the rights. I'm assuming is kind of what it

954
00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:13.639
<v Speaker 4>seems like, because again, nobody was clamoring for a Craven movie,

955
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:17.519
<v Speaker 4>just like nobody was clamoring for a ant May movie

956
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:20.239
<v Speaker 4>that they had talked about making for the longest time. Remember,

957
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:21.559
<v Speaker 4>that was one of the things that they were like,

958
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:23.440
<v Speaker 4>we're gonna make a movie about aunt May. And it's like.

959
00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:27.119
<v Speaker 1>They didn't. They didn't announce that, didn't they.

960
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:30.480
<v Speaker 4>They did, Yeah, they sure said that that's gonna happen.

961
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:33.800
<v Speaker 4>It's like who wanted that? And look, I mean to

962
00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:36.880
<v Speaker 4>your point, Father Malone, Like I would say, in terms

963
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:41.719
<v Speaker 4>of villains, Batman has the best villains in DC, and

964
00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:44.639
<v Speaker 4>I think Spider Man has the best villains in Marvel, Like.

965
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:47.519
<v Speaker 1>Is that right? Do you think so?

966
00:50:48.039 --> 00:50:49.840
<v Speaker 4>I think he's If he doesn't have the best, he's

967
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:51.079
<v Speaker 4>up up near the top.

968
00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I think he might be right. Spider

969
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Man does have the most outrageous Rose Gallery.

970
00:50:56.400 --> 00:51:04.000
<v Speaker 4>Electro Venom, Carnage, Scorpion, Craven, Unasure Technique.

971
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:07.639
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Octopus, the Green Goblin, the hob Goblin.

972
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:08.960
<v Speaker 4>Green Goblin alone.

973
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:11.800
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, well, yeah, the whole family.

974
00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:16.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the Fantastic Four has Doctor Doom, you know, and

975
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:18.840
<v Speaker 4>they have their people, and you know, Wolverine and the

976
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:21.559
<v Speaker 4>X Men have Magneto and their people. But like I think,

977
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:23.519
<v Speaker 4>for me, when I think of Spider Man, I think

978
00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:27.079
<v Speaker 4>of Spider Man's like the Sinister Six, like his Rogues

979
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:30.719
<v Speaker 4>gallery of Villains reminds me of like the best of

980
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:36.320
<v Speaker 4>Batman's villains. And like to both of y'all's points, like,

981
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:39.199
<v Speaker 4>I don't think doing a Sinister Six thing was a

982
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:42.239
<v Speaker 4>bad idea. I think they probably should have just done

983
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:45.519
<v Speaker 4>that though, as opposed to like trying to make this

984
00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:49.159
<v Speaker 4>Sideways universe its own thing and then we'll make a

985
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:51.199
<v Speaker 4>Sinister Six movie, which is what I was assuming the

986
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:54.079
<v Speaker 4>plan was here in all this was to make a

987
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:58.239
<v Speaker 4>movie that had Madame Webb and Venom and Carnage and

988
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:02.480
<v Speaker 4>Borbious and Craven and all them together in a movie.

989
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:06.239
<v Speaker 4>Like That's why I'm assuming that this was eventually building towards.

990
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:08.440
<v Speaker 4>We are not getting that now, so we will never

991
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:12.159
<v Speaker 4>know what they were going for. But it for me

992
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:15.880
<v Speaker 4>is just again like it almost feels like it failed

993
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:17.679
<v Speaker 4>in spite of the fact that it was trying to

994
00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:20.639
<v Speaker 4>do something different from the MCU. But because the MCU

995
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:24.960
<v Speaker 4>has set the watermarks so high, we all expect quality,

996
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:29.039
<v Speaker 4>and when it's this differential of quality between the two,

997
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:31.199
<v Speaker 4>you can't help but just look at this and go like,

998
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:35.639
<v Speaker 4>why did we even make this? Like what what are

999
00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:38.000
<v Speaker 4>Why are we not just letting the MCU do this?

1000
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:39.280
<v Speaker 4>Is my question.

1001
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:42.480
<v Speaker 2>What's crazy is that they all tried to ape the MCU,

1002
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:45.920
<v Speaker 2>or to go so far in the other direction that

1003
00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:51.599
<v Speaker 2>it became unintelligible. Where Whereas they had a chance here

1004
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:55.039
<v Speaker 2>because they were locked into only doing villains to tell

1005
00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:58.440
<v Speaker 2>an entirely different kind of comic book story on screen,

1006
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:03.320
<v Speaker 2>that we could have got behind villainous behavior, or you know,

1007
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:07.639
<v Speaker 2>they could have made horror movies or you know, thrillers

1008
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:09.920
<v Speaker 2>with these. They could have gone in any direction they

1009
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:12.920
<v Speaker 2>wanted as far afield from what Marvel was doing as

1010
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:16.559
<v Speaker 2>possible and just make good movies of those and it

1011
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:20.599
<v Speaker 2>would have invigorated the genre. Instead, we just got carbon

1012
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:22.079
<v Speaker 2>copies of carbon copies.

1013
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:26.199
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean, remember the way that they shoehorned Vulture

1014
00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:30.320
<v Speaker 6>into the end of Morbius and that deleted scene. It

1015
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:32.719
<v Speaker 6>also is very telling with this movie, you know, because

1016
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:34.719
<v Speaker 6>I used that run p app to see if there's

1017
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:37.599
<v Speaker 6>extra scenes, no extra scenes in this movie, and I

1018
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:40.280
<v Speaker 6>was like, oh, did they know that this was the end?

1019
00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:42.960
<v Speaker 6>I don't think they did, but it felt very odd

1020
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:46.159
<v Speaker 6>that they weren't going to use those mid and post

1021
00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:49.599
<v Speaker 6>credits as any sort of setup for, you know, bringing

1022
00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:52.920
<v Speaker 6>back I can't remember that actor's name, Dehan whatever, the

1023
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:56.199
<v Speaker 6>guy's name that played gone. Yes, the green goblin that

1024
00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:59.320
<v Speaker 6>looked like he was had an unfortunate disease.

1025
00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what we want from that character, certainly. Right, Look,

1026
00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:07.679
<v Speaker 2>either give us a goblin face or give us a helmet,

1027
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:10.559
<v Speaker 2>don't try and fuck around in between, exactly.

1028
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:12.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1029
00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:14.519
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'm just looking at all the members of the

1030
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:19.960
<v Speaker 6>Sinister Six and all of the different incarnations. It's pretty remarkable.

1031
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:22.079
<v Speaker 6>But you're right, Chris, there are a lot of great

1032
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:26.159
<v Speaker 6>villains for Spider Man to go against. I mean just

1033
00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:31.000
<v Speaker 6>looking at the later recruits, you know, with like Beetle

1034
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:36.840
<v Speaker 6>and Shocker and Grim Reaper and Lizard and Living Brain

1035
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:39.000
<v Speaker 6>just that. Yeah, there's a ton of great people that

1036
00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:41.159
<v Speaker 6>he could go against at any time.

1037
00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:45.039
<v Speaker 2>Evidently, Craven was going to be the backup villain for

1038
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:49.559
<v Speaker 2>Mysterio and spider Man Far from Home, but they were

1039
00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:53.199
<v Speaker 2>denied the right to use the character. Ultimately, they tried

1040
00:54:53.239 --> 00:54:55.039
<v Speaker 2>to use him again some other time and were told

1041
00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:55.880
<v Speaker 2>they couldn't use him.

1042
00:54:56.840 --> 00:54:59.199
<v Speaker 6>It still doesn't make any sense that they used Electro

1043
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:03.199
<v Speaker 6>in that that last Spider Man movie, because he doesn't

1044
00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:05.760
<v Speaker 6>know who Peter Parker is, or doesn't know that Spider

1045
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:08.199
<v Speaker 6>Man is Peter Parker, at least according to their own

1046
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:09.079
<v Speaker 6>fucking movie.

1047
00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:10.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1048
00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, there was a lot of problems with the timelines

1049
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:15.599
<v Speaker 2>in that movie and the melding of the different world.

1050
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:18.400
<v Speaker 2>I think they did a pretty good job considering all

1051
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:20.559
<v Speaker 2>of the different balls they had to get into the air.

1052
00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:23.599
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, a lot to be desired. Maybe work on

1053
00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:27.639
<v Speaker 2>that script another six months, another two three passes.

1054
00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:29.960
<v Speaker 6>Which seems to be a common refrain when we talk

1055
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:34.000
<v Speaker 6>about these newer films, especially things like Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice or

1056
00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:36.599
<v Speaker 6>some of the other ones that we've said, you waited

1057
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:38.800
<v Speaker 6>this long, Why didn't you wait just a little bit

1058
00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:39.920
<v Speaker 6>longer and make it better.

1059
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they've waited twenty thirty years in some cases, and

1060
00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:45.559
<v Speaker 2>they're like, okay, and now here's the release date, Go

1061
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:46.280
<v Speaker 2>make the movie.

1062
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:46.559
<v Speaker 4>Wait?

1063
00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:47.199
<v Speaker 1>Why?

1064
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:52.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Why is the money dependent on that date? What

1065
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:54.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of outdated system are well?

1066
00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Is that the problem?

1067
00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:56.079
<v Speaker 4>Now?

1068
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:58.800
<v Speaker 2>The system is just now fully broken where we can

1069
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:01.719
<v Speaker 2>see all of the flaws, and you know, it gives

1070
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:04.280
<v Speaker 2>me a bit of heart that I feel a bit

1071
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:07.519
<v Speaker 2>heartened in that James Gunn has been hammering over and

1072
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:09.599
<v Speaker 2>over again, we're not starting the movie until the script

1073
00:56:09.639 --> 00:56:12.679
<v Speaker 2>is ready. That's great, Please do that, but make sure

1074
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:13.800
<v Speaker 2>the script is actually good.

1075
00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:19.079
<v Speaker 4>I will say, though, now that now that this is over, yeah,

1076
00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:22.960
<v Speaker 4>like that, now that this is over, now that this

1077
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:28.719
<v Speaker 4>Spider Versus done, where do they go from here? Do

1078
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:31.679
<v Speaker 4>they just does Sony just give the rights back to

1079
00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:35.440
<v Speaker 4>Marvel and say, here you go, Mia Kolpa, we fucked

1080
00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:37.800
<v Speaker 4>around and found out long enough. Maybe you guys can

1081
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:39.280
<v Speaker 4>have the rights back and we'll just sell it to

1082
00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:42.039
<v Speaker 4>you for you know, large sums of money, like they

1083
00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:45.400
<v Speaker 4>should have just done long ago, as opposed to effectively

1084
00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:48.960
<v Speaker 4>getting egg on their face with like six movies like

1085
00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:51.800
<v Speaker 4>That's the thing I don't understand here. As much as

1086
00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:54.840
<v Speaker 4>I appreciate that y'all enjoyed this movie broadly, this movie

1087
00:56:54.880 --> 00:56:58.119
<v Speaker 4>is getting poorly reviewed broadly. This movie is making no

1088
00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:02.079
<v Speaker 4>money broadly, this movie is a failure in terms of

1089
00:57:02.119 --> 00:57:05.000
<v Speaker 4>box office, in terms of the financial side of it.

1090
00:57:05.079 --> 00:57:08.880
<v Speaker 4>Just speaking financially, none of these movies have been successful

1091
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:12.320
<v Speaker 4>other than the Venom movie. That's what I don't understand here,

1092
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:16.960
<v Speaker 4>Like the sunk cost fallacy is a thing. Stop putting

1093
00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:20.960
<v Speaker 4>more money into the fucking hole at some point, it's

1094
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:25.199
<v Speaker 4>it's weird to me. Venom is a movie that I

1095
00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:29.559
<v Speaker 4>understand why it got two sequels. It got two sequels

1096
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:32.400
<v Speaker 4>because it made money. I don't understand why they made

1097
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:36.400
<v Speaker 4>Madame Web and Morbius and this movie because they ultimately

1098
00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:40.480
<v Speaker 4>serve no purpose. Morbius goes nowhere and frankly, all it

1099
00:57:40.519 --> 00:57:46.679
<v Speaker 4>does is kind of convolute the multiverse more. And Madame

1100
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:50.280
<v Speaker 4>Web again, I'm not sure what the point of that

1101
00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:53.559
<v Speaker 4>movie was other than to pay for a home in

1102
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:56.400
<v Speaker 4>Malibu for Dakota Johnson. I'm assuming as if she needs

1103
00:57:56.440 --> 00:57:59.719
<v Speaker 4>the money, given that her parents are both insanely wealthy

1104
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:03.400
<v Speaker 4>and so actors of note in their own right. I

1105
00:58:03.519 --> 00:58:06.719
<v Speaker 4>just don't understand what they were trying to accomplish here

1106
00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:09.639
<v Speaker 4>without Spider Man. I think, to y'all's point, maybe it

1107
00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:12.079
<v Speaker 4>was a well, maybe we'll get Spider Man at some

1108
00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:14.400
<v Speaker 4>point and Marvel will play ball with us, and you know,

1109
00:58:14.719 --> 00:58:17.840
<v Speaker 4>we'll get the opportunity to use Spider Man in our

1110
00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:20.280
<v Speaker 4>movies at some point. But like, yeah, you had to

1111
00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:22.840
<v Speaker 4>make good movies for Marvel to give you the opportunity

1112
00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:27.239
<v Speaker 4>to have Spider Man, and they never did. And what's

1113
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:31.039
<v Speaker 4>crazy to me is JC Chandor has made some pretty

1114
00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:34.039
<v Speaker 4>great movies. A Most Violent Year is quite good, Margin

1115
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:37.159
<v Speaker 4>Call is quite good. Those are quite good movies. This

1116
00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:41.480
<v Speaker 4>is like for JC Chandor, this is a lesser movie

1117
00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:45.599
<v Speaker 4>in his filmography on top of everything else. But what's

1118
00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:47.800
<v Speaker 4>weird to me is I just don't understand why they

1119
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:50.440
<v Speaker 4>kept making these movies when they saw that they weren't

1120
00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:54.880
<v Speaker 4>being successful. And to further point, if they saw they

1121
00:58:54.880 --> 00:58:57.559
<v Speaker 4>weren't being successful, why did they keep making them unless

1122
00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:00.719
<v Speaker 4>it was solely and purely to just be like, we

1123
00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:04.679
<v Speaker 4>want to keep the rights to this, and so we will.

1124
00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:07.239
<v Speaker 6>You asked where Sony's going to go with this afterwards,

1125
00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:10.440
<v Speaker 6>and I think they're going to go back and hire

1126
00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:13.719
<v Speaker 6>Sam Raimie and have him do his fourth Spider Man

1127
00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:19.880
<v Speaker 6>film with Tommy maguire. I think that's a good opportunity. Otherwise, yeah,

1128
00:59:19.960 --> 00:59:21.960
<v Speaker 6>they might just hand it all back and be like, Okay,

1129
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:25.559
<v Speaker 6>it's Tom Holland from here on out until he decides

1130
00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:29.480
<v Speaker 6>to retire from this role, which would be a really

1131
00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:30.159
<v Speaker 6>bad thing.

1132
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:30.599
<v Speaker 1>I think.

1133
00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:33.760
<v Speaker 6>I think Robert Downey Jr. Is kind of having buyer's

1134
00:59:33.800 --> 00:59:36.440
<v Speaker 6>remorse with his like, oh, I'm not going to be

1135
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:40.079
<v Speaker 6>Iron Man anymore coming back and doing doom. But at

1136
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:43.440
<v Speaker 6>the same time, they probably had an army of dump

1137
00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:46.559
<v Speaker 6>trucks to just back up and pour some money on him,

1138
00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:52.199
<v Speaker 6>because I think they know just losing Downey losing Chris

1139
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:55.920
<v Speaker 6>Evans like those were major blows. They really shouldn't have been.

1140
00:59:56.360 --> 00:59:58.559
<v Speaker 6>I mean, a smart studio would have been able to

1141
00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:01.280
<v Speaker 6>pick up and carry on for there, but I think

1142
01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:03.960
<v Speaker 6>the lack of those two characters had really sent them

1143
01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:04.679
<v Speaker 6>into tailspin.

1144
01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:07.440
<v Speaker 4>They did too good of a job and making those

1145
01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:10.320
<v Speaker 4>characters compelling, and they didn't do a good enough job

1146
01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:13.760
<v Speaker 4>and making other characters compelling. Like I know, Father Malone's

1147
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:17.079
<v Speaker 4>a huge fan of Captain America. I am a massive

1148
01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:19.320
<v Speaker 4>fan of some of the other characters in the MCU,

1149
01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:23.960
<v Speaker 4>But I'm fans of the MCU interpretations not necessarily like

1150
01:00:24.159 --> 01:00:26.800
<v Speaker 4>the comic books and the movie interpretation of Ant Man

1151
01:00:26.800 --> 01:00:31.199
<v Speaker 4>are vastly different, but like Iron Man and Captain America,

1152
01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:34.039
<v Speaker 4>very similar to the comic books, like very much kind

1153
01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:36.400
<v Speaker 4>of what you would expect if you read the comic

1154
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:38.519
<v Speaker 4>books at least of a certain time in a place.

1155
01:00:39.159 --> 01:00:42.960
<v Speaker 4>And like, I think that there's some of the consistency,

1156
01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:47.400
<v Speaker 4>that mark that the MCU had was tied to the

1157
01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:51.039
<v Speaker 4>consistency of the actors involved. And I'm not saying that

1158
01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:53.960
<v Speaker 4>people are lesser or better than Chris Evans and Robert

1159
01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:56.960
<v Speaker 4>Downey Junior, but Chris Evans and Robert Downey Junior elevate

1160
01:00:56.960 --> 01:00:59.360
<v Speaker 4>the shit out of anything that they're in, almost just

1161
01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:01.840
<v Speaker 4>by the sheer act of them being in it. Maybe

1162
01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:05.639
<v Speaker 4>not too little, but you know, not everything can be,

1163
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:08.480
<v Speaker 4>you know, making you so much money you never have

1164
01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:10.840
<v Speaker 4>to work again, and are only working because you want to,

1165
01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:11.840
<v Speaker 4>not because you have to.

1166
01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:16.679
<v Speaker 2>I think I think it's kind of obvious. They thought

1167
01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:18.800
<v Speaker 2>that they were going to be trading back and forth

1168
01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:21.519
<v Speaker 2>with Tom Holland, and that they were committing these characters,

1169
01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:24.079
<v Speaker 2>and then after a while, Tom Holland would be able

1170
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:27.039
<v Speaker 2>to interact with their villains the way he was interacting

1171
01:01:27.039 --> 01:01:29.519
<v Speaker 2>with the regular MCU villains. So I think they just

1172
01:01:29.559 --> 01:01:32.440
<v Speaker 2>planned a whole bunch of movies just willy nilly and

1173
01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:36.199
<v Speaker 2>put them into production without any sort of thought beyond that,

1174
01:01:36.679 --> 01:01:39.920
<v Speaker 2>figuring that when Tom Holland was involved, the Marvel people

1175
01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:43.199
<v Speaker 2>would be involved in one way or another and they

1176
01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:46.199
<v Speaker 2>their movies would be elevated. So I think that's why

1177
01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:48.400
<v Speaker 2>all of them are out there. I think going forward,

1178
01:01:48.440 --> 01:01:50.639
<v Speaker 2>I think you're right, Mike. I think we're going to

1179
01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:54.320
<v Speaker 2>get either another Andrew Garfield or another Toby MacGuire movie.

1180
01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:55.800
<v Speaker 2>And I think the way that's going to happen is

1181
01:01:55.800 --> 01:01:59.039
<v Speaker 2>they're going to multiverse Tom Holland over to get us

1182
01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:00.719
<v Speaker 2>back into those movies is and that I'll be like

1183
01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:05.199
<v Speaker 2>Marvel repaying their favor, if not an entire three or two,

1184
01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:07.960
<v Speaker 2>like a duo of Spider Man in a movie. I

1185
01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:10.239
<v Speaker 2>think that movie's on the way, and then I think

1186
01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:14.679
<v Speaker 2>we'll get like standalone either well, either Peter Parker or

1187
01:02:14.679 --> 01:02:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Peter Parker.

1188
01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:20.960
<v Speaker 6>The thing I like about the Spider Man movies and

1189
01:02:21.079 --> 01:02:25.639
<v Speaker 6>the Spider Man stories is that they're New York centric.

1190
01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:29.039
<v Speaker 6>I mean, yes, we've had him go like with Tom

1191
01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:32.840
<v Speaker 6>Holland going over seas and going to Washington, DC, like

1192
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:36.400
<v Speaker 6>they're taking place outside of New York City. But I

1193
01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:39.400
<v Speaker 6>like that they're so New York centric and there's smaller

1194
01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:43.320
<v Speaker 6>stories that it doesn't have to be the world is

1195
01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:46.360
<v Speaker 6>going to be destroyed by a magical blue beam that

1196
01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:49.719
<v Speaker 6>shoots out of someplace or beams down from someplace, like

1197
01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:52.559
<v Speaker 6>save that stuff for the Avengers, and they do, and

1198
01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:54.760
<v Speaker 6>I think that's really smart. And I think that that's

1199
01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:57.800
<v Speaker 6>one of the problems I've been having more with the

1200
01:02:57.800 --> 01:03:01.360
<v Speaker 6>the DC movies, is that everything seems to be the

1201
01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:05.159
<v Speaker 6>world could end. Like Batman's stories are smart, especially the

1202
01:03:05.239 --> 01:03:08.440
<v Speaker 6>Chris Nolan Batman, where it's like it's just taking place

1203
01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:11.760
<v Speaker 6>here in Gotham, it's not affecting the entire world. But

1204
01:03:11.800 --> 01:03:15.480
<v Speaker 6>then you get Superman and those are like, oh, I'm

1205
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:19.199
<v Speaker 6>going to destroy all of Metropolis plus three quarters of

1206
01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:21.280
<v Speaker 6>the earth that feels like and he's spinning around, you know.

1207
01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:24.119
<v Speaker 6>And that's Superman. He's a god. He can do whatever

1208
01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:26.719
<v Speaker 6>he wants. But Spider Man's not a god. And I

1209
01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:30.280
<v Speaker 6>like that these are such smaller stories where it's like

1210
01:03:30.599 --> 01:03:33.599
<v Speaker 6>a person versus a villain or two. You get in

1211
01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:36.280
<v Speaker 6>trouble and it's three, but a person versus a villain

1212
01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:38.760
<v Speaker 6>or two that he can defeat, but it takes a

1213
01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:40.079
<v Speaker 6>whole lot for him to do that.

1214
01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:44.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, ultimately, Spider Man is a street level

1215
01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:47.280
<v Speaker 2>hero for Marvel. Yeah, and that's what we like about him.

1216
01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:49.519
<v Speaker 2>That's why we like Punisher, That's why we like Daredevil.

1217
01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:53.360
<v Speaker 2>We like these guys on the street doing minor work

1218
01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:58.599
<v Speaker 2>that regular people can't but isn't necessarily the entire island

1219
01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:01.400
<v Speaker 2>of Manhattan is going to explain. And I think that's

1220
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:04.440
<v Speaker 2>what everyone needs to start focusing on with these superhero

1221
01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:09.039
<v Speaker 2>movies is lower the stakes, make the stakes more personal somehow.

1222
01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:12.000
<v Speaker 2>That that always works for me, and particularly that works

1223
01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:14.920
<v Speaker 2>in Spider Man. That's what's always worked. Those are emotional

1224
01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:18.400
<v Speaker 2>stories about a young man and you know the crazy

1225
01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:21.159
<v Speaker 2>world he lives in, in his interpersonal relationships and stuff.

1226
01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:24.719
<v Speaker 2>So weirdly they kind of carried that ethos here to

1227
01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:25.880
<v Speaker 2>the Craven movie.

1228
01:04:26.360 --> 01:04:29.280
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, even though he was globe popping quite a bit,

1229
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:32.639
<v Speaker 6>like back and forth between Siberia and London a ton

1230
01:04:34.039 --> 01:04:35.280
<v Speaker 6>but and Ghana.

1231
01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:39.119
<v Speaker 4>Yes, they just didn't want Craven to be a villain.

1232
01:04:40.360 --> 01:04:42.400
<v Speaker 1>No, they wanted they want their heroes.

1233
01:04:42.679 --> 01:04:45.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they wanted him because they don't have Spider Man.

1234
01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:47.639
<v Speaker 2>Right, And I think by now they figured out we're

1235
01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:49.960
<v Speaker 2>not getting Spider Man. He's not going to be interacting

1236
01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:53.360
<v Speaker 2>with our villains. Let's try and spin this and make

1237
01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:54.960
<v Speaker 2>it good. But it was too little, too late.

1238
01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:57.400
<v Speaker 4>And not only is it too little too late, at

1239
01:04:57.400 --> 01:05:01.360
<v Speaker 4>the end of the day, they sho have put something

1240
01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:04.519
<v Speaker 4>in place to secure the opportunity to have Spider Man

1241
01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:07.159
<v Speaker 4>long before they were like, well, just wait and see,

1242
01:05:07.280 --> 01:05:11.320
<v Speaker 4>like and you fucked around and found out like big time. Yeah,

1243
01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:13.440
<v Speaker 4>Because again, like that's why I go back to, like,

1244
01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:16.599
<v Speaker 4>they just kept making these movies and doubling and tripling

1245
01:05:16.639 --> 01:05:18.599
<v Speaker 4>and quadrupling down on them, and it's like, at what

1246
01:05:18.639 --> 01:05:21.440
<v Speaker 4>point are we just gonna stop and stop making these

1247
01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:25.360
<v Speaker 4>goddamn movies? Finally now apparently when when again, I think

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<v Speaker 4>to y'all's point, like, for as much as I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>like Craven, I will concede it's better than pretty much

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<v Speaker 4>anything else I've seen in the Sony versus, other than

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<v Speaker 4>the Venom movies, which are kind of their own thing,

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<v Speaker 4>at least for me.

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<v Speaker 6>Anyways, Yeah, they just kept setting that plate, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>going around like all right, everybody's got the roles, everyone's

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<v Speaker 6>got the salad, or we're coming to the main course.

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<v Speaker 6>Main courses coming up. Uh, Peter Parker was supposed to

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<v Speaker 6>bring it. Where's this Peter Parker guy? No turkey on Thanksgiving? Sorry, guys,

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<v Speaker 6>whole meal.

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<v Speaker 2>Is now ruined well, and you know, and Peter Parker's

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<v Speaker 2>usually good at those males.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's oh yeah, yeah, it's doubly damming.

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<v Speaker 6>And male slap the green Goblin's hand.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited for a new Raimi.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, from my mouth to God's ear, I hope yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what, honest to God, that's what I hope too.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope that they give him the opportunity to do

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<v Speaker 4>a fourth movie the right way and just do it,

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<v Speaker 4>like who cares at this point, Like people were clearly

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<v Speaker 4>into Toby maguire coming back as Spider Man. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>just us, like millennials and Gen xers, like everybody was

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<v Speaker 4>into it. So I just don't I I again, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know why Sony doesn't want to play ball with Marvel, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>shut the fuck up, give him the fucking rights and

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<v Speaker 4>let's just be done with it. You guys suck at

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<v Speaker 4>making Spider Man movies. You just do because you can't

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<v Speaker 4>even make Spider Man movies. That's why they suck at

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<v Speaker 4>making Spider Man movies, because they have yet to actually

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<v Speaker 4>make a motherfucking Spider Man movie. They've just been like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>it's likeingingly related, and we'll mention Spider Man's name, like wow,

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<v Speaker 4>that's fun. Does that embarrass you as much as I'm

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<v Speaker 4>embarrassed for you, because I'm embarrassed for Sony When they're like, hah,

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<v Speaker 4>spider Man, get it, and it's like, well, we know

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<v Speaker 4>we've heard of Spider Man, like we're aware of Spider Man,

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<v Speaker 4>very clearly aware of Spider Man. Thank you?

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<v Speaker 6>Are you aware of my boyfriend Spider Man? He lives

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<v Speaker 6>in Canada, so bizarre to me. All right, let's wrap

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<v Speaker 6>up this discussion of craving the Hunter by going around

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<v Speaker 6>the room here father alone, Where can people hear more

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<v Speaker 6>of you?

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<v Speaker 1>Sir?

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<v Speaker 2>Go over to weirding Way Media and where you'll find

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<v Speaker 2>my show Midnight Viewing, where these two gentlemen are co

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<v Speaker 2>hosts for our horror anthology podcast. We're taking a look

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<v Speaker 2>at Tales from the Dark Side. But Midnight Viewing is also.

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<v Speaker 1>A current show.

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<v Speaker 2>I do a weekly round up show, and there's also

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<v Speaker 2>a show about anthology movies. In general, that's all under

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<v Speaker 2>the midnight viewing banner. I suggest you all't go there.

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<v Speaker 6>Father alone almost puts me to shame with the amount

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<v Speaker 6>of work that he does, which is heads and tails

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<v Speaker 6>above what Chris Stashy does, which is clearly next to nothing. Chris,

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<v Speaker 6>tell the fine people what you're working on these days?

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<v Speaker 4>Essentially nothing. I've been working on myself for the last

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<v Speaker 4>five months, and I occasionally post audio diversions over at

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<v Speaker 4>Weirdingwaymedia dot com, where you're probably listening to this, and

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<v Speaker 4>if you aren't listening to it there, go to Weirdingwaymedia

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<v Speaker 4>dot com and check out the twenty plus shows that

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<v Speaker 4>we have on the network, including The Projection Booth, Midnight Viewing, Eighties,

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<v Speaker 4>TV Ladies, whole host of things that you can find

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<v Speaker 4>overt Weirdingwaymedia dot com.

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<v Speaker 6>What about you, Mike, Chris, you're being very falsely modest.

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<v Speaker 6>Chris works on a ton of stuff, usually with me,

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<v Speaker 6>sometimes with Father m alone, and sometimes on his own

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<v Speaker 6>or with other folks. You can always check out some

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<v Speaker 6>of the things that we work on, such as The

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<v Speaker 6>Shabby Detective. You had another Columbo podcast, The Life and

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<v Speaker 6>Times of Captain Barney Miller as well as Yes, the

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<v Speaker 6>Projection booth where Chris occasionally shows up. We just had

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<v Speaker 6>him recently on an episode about Kamikaze eighty nine, which

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<v Speaker 6>was a lot of fun and I'm excited for people

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<v Speaker 6>to hear that one. So yeah, come on over to

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<v Speaker 6>Weirdowaymedia dot com to hear all that. Please make a donation.

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<v Speaker 6>If you donate to my patreon or Chris's Patreon, you

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<v Speaker 6>can get at the ten dollars leveling up. You can

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<v Speaker 6>get copies of ranking on that I'm sorry, ranking on Bond,

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<v Speaker 6>which is our monthly James Bond podcast, and Father Malone

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<v Speaker 6>has a pod, has a and Father Malone has a

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<v Speaker 6>Patreon as well, which is patreon dot com, slash fotherom

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<v Speaker 6>alone perfect makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks guys,

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<v Speaker 6>and thanks everybody for listening.