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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. No, here is your host, DJ leaves all right,

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we get ready for a weekend.

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Speaker 2: It has a Friday night Top rank main event involving

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Keyshawn Davis and an extremely overweight opponent by the way,

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that we shall talk about in preview. It has a

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Saturday night Philadelphia Championship doubleheader. Dan Rayfield keeps saying Boots

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and Vam, Bam and Boots, whatever you want to call it,

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Jiron Boots, Innis, Jesse Bam, Rodriguez, separate world title fights,

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Matt Room de Zone show.

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Speaker 1: We're ready to preview all of that.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh, and the former undisputed heavyweight champion of the

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world Mike Tyson with the one and only Dan Rayfield

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in a quick conversation in advance of next week's fight.

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Will it happen? We hope it happens. We're almost to

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the finish line Rayfield for Jake Poll and Mike Tyson. Uh,

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thank you for finding us however you've done so. I'm

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really the somewhat capable host. TJ Reeves here. He is

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our insider, Dan Rayphiel, who says to me, right before

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we begin, you know I'm in a grouchy mood right now.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: When don't you know the Yankees whatever else it's going on,

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bad Halloween, Candy.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this question.

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Speaker 3: Are you bad election results?

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Speaker 2: I understand, well, it depends on where you are and

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what you're doing. And it wasn't just the presidential result.

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At least you have some results, because there's some places

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where they still don't have the result on Thursday and

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on Friday, and I'm saying again that is idiotic in

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twenty twenty four that we still don't have results. All

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I'm coming to is this, are you making dinner tonight?

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Because I'm in charge of making dinner as well as

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doing the podcast. On top of you being grouchy, I

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got to go make food for the twins in a

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little while.

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Speaker 3: I am mine. We've got all this totally. Right before

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we got on our call to our video to do

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the show, got the call from my wife who was

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explaining that she's bringing dinner home from working the show.

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Speaker 1: So you've got carry out, you're taken care of.

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Speaker 3: And while we're doing this, my son's at the kitchen

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table doing his mathoverk all right, so.

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Speaker 1: He's got his homework. The twins have done their homework.

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Speaker 2: They've got basketball, and I'm in charge of dinner tonight

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and a little later.

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Speaker 1: But that's okay.

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Speaker 2: You know what people don't care about that, They care

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about the fights. Make sure you're following, make sure you're subscribing.

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By the way, hopefully you heard Keyshawn Davis earlier this

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week right here on the podcast feed with Dan in

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advance of this fight on Friday. You got an automatic

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notification if you're following in subscribing on Applespreaker, Spotify. If

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that's the case, all right, So again we'll preview going

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into the weekend. We'll recap coming off the weekend twice,

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the ray Field twice. The fun is the year winds down.

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We do this most every weekend. You're gonna get two

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of them, preview and recap pod. Okay, so you and

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I have been in communication. We're now communicating with each

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other via the pod because I've been wondering for the

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last couple of hours are they fighting? Okay, Keyshawn Davis's opponent,

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as I like to say, not only missed the way

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by a couple of exits on the interstate. He's on

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a totally different interstate in another county. If he's sixty

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pounds weight, if he's six and a half pounds overweight

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for one hundred and thirty five pound fight, are they fighting?

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Speaker 1: First of all, what do we know?

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Speaker 3: Well, they're fighting, I mean, and Kishan will get a

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goose to his purse and Gustabo Lemos will get less

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of his purse. They do have to go through a

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not they actually, it's just I mean, I guess they.

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I guess Kishan doesn't. He made his weight, but Limos

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will go through a Friday morning weight check. As we

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tape this, they were still dickering around and negotiating what

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the maximum that he can rehydrate to. It's probably gonna

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be somewhere in that ten pound area. But here's the

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thing though, Gustabo Lemos's previous fight was a one hundred

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and forty pound tidal eliminator against Richardson Hitchins. That's one

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hundred and forty pounds. He's fought in both weight classes.

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He's fought plenty times in the lightweight division, so for

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this fight he was coming down in weight. He lost

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a competitive decision to Hitchins, which Hitchens in the mandatory

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position and he's going to get the shot of the

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title against Liam Paro coming up. So but la point

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here is that Limos didn't even make thee hundred and

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forty pounds limit, which is the weight limit for the

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last fight, and he's supposed to be fighting the lightweight division,

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so he comes in it also, so Kishan, by the way,

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he's you know, been in good shape for his fights.

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inside the limit, which is one hundred and thirty five pounds.

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stake in the fight, So the limit was strict. It's

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not like they just decided, you know, let's do you

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know the fight at this weight. It was one hundred

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and thirty five because of the fact that there was

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a regional belt in the in the mix. So Limos

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comes to the weigh in, he weighs one hundred and

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forty one point four. Now Top Rank said to me

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they weren't unaware of his weight issues until Friday morning,

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and then obviously they knew it was going to be

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a big mess at the weight.

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Speaker 1: And we gotta keep it straight from the first Thursday,

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because the fights fight on. I know what you meant.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my bad. So yeah, So when he showed up

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at the actual way in and he was over six

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pounds overweight, we're not talking, by the way, TJ. If

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he's a half a pound over a pound, it's guys,

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can go do some stuff, shaken off, go run around,

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or take a piss.

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Speaker 2: You ain't losing six pounds six So it varies from

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place to place, does it not? So obviously the Virginia

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close to the weight or not earlier in the week,

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because some commissions make you weigh in in lightness, don't

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actual way in to give you an indication, because there's

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concerns about that. Like I said, guys trying to lose

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way too much weight at the very end and can

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endanger themselves.

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Speaker 1: Just the reason.

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Speaker 3: Right, here's the thing, some commissions, if you were this

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much apart on the weight, the fight's canceled. You don't

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even have a chance. I'm not talking about one or

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two pounds. That's any I've never seen or heard of

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any Commission where if a fighter is over the contract

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limit that they don't have some sort of leeway to

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make a deal, you know, three pounds, even six pounds

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plus if this fight's in Las Vegas, fights off r

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period and other places as well. Virginia, my home state,

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not the most boxing heavy state out there. You know,

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they don't view it as there's some kind of huge

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problem in terms of, you know, a fighter is gonna

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get hurt. With Kishan Davis, we're talking about an elite

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fighter in terms of a past Olympian and one of

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the top contenders and up and coming undefeated fighters in

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the sport. So I'm not sure what it says on

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the rules and REGs, but they're not canceling the fight.

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Lamos will lose you know, five figures from his purse.

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He's probably making you know, a decent low six figure

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of pay day for this matchup. And you know when

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you watched Kishan who spoke after the weigh in on

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Top Ranks social media with Christina Poncher, you know, she

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asked about it and he was like, we had no problem.

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was okay with it. Look and it really puts everybody

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involved in a tough spot. This is not just some

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regular undercard fight where you can mess around. Maybe I

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fight gets canceled, so you know that type of thing

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that happens. Unfortunately on a regular basis. This is the

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main event of a top ranked ESPN Plus card. The

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co feature is kind of weakish and if you remember,

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the original co feature was supposed to be Brian Norman

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defending his walterweight belt against Quavis, but that was canceled

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because of the fact that Brian Norman suffered an injury.

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So what would have been still a pretty good co feature.

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Now that's off too, So try Eisley, who is Keishan

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Davis's twenty twenty US Olympic teammate, an excellent looking up

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and coming middleweight. You know he's in an okay fight,

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but it's not necessarily. It can't carry the show, is

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the point. And on top of that, this is the homecoming.

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This is a huge deal. Norfolk, Virginia the home of

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sweep Pee Riddicker. You know, Keishan Davis's idol. He has

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never fought there as a professional, He's never fought in

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a main event. His two brothers are also on the

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card his older brother who he's fought on this card

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with Kelvin. They fought together on shows before, but he's

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on this card. Their younger brother, the youngest of the

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boxing Keisha of the boxing Davis brothers, Keon Davis, who

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was an excellent amateur. Also he's making his professional debut.

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They're fighting in a slightly over the wealthy way to

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technically a junior middleway fight, so it's a big deal locally.

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it is sold out or close to it. I mean

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when I was told this is a couple of days ago,

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I was told by Todd de buff from Top Rank,

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who was the president of Top Rank, that there were

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just scattered single tickets available and obviously by the night

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of the fight it'll be a clean sellout. They sold

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like eight thousand tickets for this fight on like the

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first day or two in a place that has not

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had big time boxing in decades, so there's a pent

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up demand. So, to make a long story short, when

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your opponent doesn't act like a professional and shows up

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more than six pounds overweight, you put everybody in a

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tough spot. If you cancel the show. It's a fucking disaster.

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You know. It ruins a lot of stuff for a

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lot of people, including Lamos's opportunity to score a career

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defining victory. And so they're making the determination that it's

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okay to go through with the fighting. They just have

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to cross their fingers and hope that he makes whatever

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the rehydration. Wonder that they that they come to an

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agreement on on Friday morning and doesn't come, you know,

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further mills up.

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Speaker 2: One other thing that we've often talked about is they

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will sometimes have a stand by opponent. For whatever reason,

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best of your understanding, there's not a stand by opponent.

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Speaker 1: So that's why.

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Speaker 2: And then there's one other thing that I keep thinking

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when you were just talking down I thought earlier today,

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remember the whole Devin Haney Ryan Garcia thing where Garcia

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flaunted it after the fact I wasn't trying to make

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the weight. I just wonder aloud, he didn't even try

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to get down to one thirty five. That's an advantage

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for him, and so I wonder how much, if at all,

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that's a concern.

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Speaker 3: You can't say he didn't try to get down to

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one thirty fives.

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Speaker 2: I can, I can, and I just did. He didn't

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even try to get down to one thirty five. If

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he's one forty one, he wasn't trying in the last

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couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: I can, I just did.

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Speaker 3: That's fine. I can disagree. I'm gonna agree with it.

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What I'm saying is he got to a certain point

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where he and his team felt like no more was

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coming off and they weren't going to ever make one

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hundred and thirty five. So I'm not going to indict

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him and say he didn't try. I assume he went

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through some element of a training camp to prepare for

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this fight, which was probably gonna be his biggest payday

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or close to it, an opportunity against a top young

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fighter in a main event, which he has not been

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in too many of, And so it's just a fucked

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up situation, and it really puts up It's just a.

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Speaker 1: But is it a risk for Davis?

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Speaker 2: It's my only thing here that he had to cut

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weight get down to one thirty five and the opponent

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did not, and they're going to follow through because it

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was a big deal to Devin Hainey.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So what do you think of that? Real quick.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Gustava Lemis is as talented a fighter

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as right, of course, that's part of that. Not that

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kind of a fighter, not that kind of puncher, et cetera.

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messed up thing with Diagle Kraus and Josey Lewis Castillo.

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great fight, and then for the rematch that was several

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months later, you had his situation where Castillo missed the weight.

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title fight, and then when they went to do the

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third because now they're went on and they were doing

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that fight, once again, Castillo missed the weight, and this

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time he missed the weight pretty badly. It was like

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over three pounds. As my recollect, I was standing there

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in the Caesars Palace ballroom when they stood on the scale,

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and I can still picture in my mind to look

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on Jimmy Lennon's face, who was the MC when the

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weight was so jurassically above one hundred and thirty five

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pound limit. Anyway, here's the point though, At that point,

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Diego Krauz says, fuck that, I'm not fighting, like they

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canceled the fight. You know. His perspective was, you know,

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fully once, you know, shame on you fooled me twice,

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shame on me. And he wasn't going to go through

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that again. It caused lawsuits. It was all big mess

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up and the entire that was a major main event

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on showtime at the Thomas and Maxon and now they

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still went through with the broadcast and they had like

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a my recollection is a Vic Darchinyan Flyway title fight

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in the co feature. That was the nominal mane of.

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Speaker 2: Laughing because Pokes I could see him a dance doing

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that off the top of his head, remembers that.

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Speaker 1: From twenty years ago.

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Speaker 3: I'm just normal like that.

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Speaker 1: I don't doubt you. I don't doubt you for this reason.

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Speaker 3: But that was supposed to be. Here's the thing, though,

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that fight was like a sold out Thomas close through it,

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like they were gonna have you know whatever, it was

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gonna be seventeen thousand people.

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Speaker 1: Around the event, world title fight, all those things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so now the main event gets canceled and they

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still go through at the remainder of the show, and

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I go to the fight because I was in Vegas

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to cover the main event, and I show up anyway

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for the other fights, had like maybe two thousand people

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in the building and was so anyway, this is the

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same kind of disaster because they've got a sold out

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building for this young man, Kishan Davis's homecoming fight, as

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well as boxing matches involving his brother, as well as

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the other fighters who were on the cart, Troy Isisley,

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who was from Virginia. You got the outstanding lightweight prospect,

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Abdullah Mason was on this card. So they'll go through

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with the fight. And you know what I'm gonna say this,

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I hope Keishaan Davis punishes punish the Gustavolemos, you know.

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And I'm not saying that because I'm some kind of huge,

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you know, like I'm a diehard t Shine fin er,

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I'm some kind of hat I'm just saying that motherfucker

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deserves to get beating for this.

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Speaker 2: And I'm just looking here for the verification. You have

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it in front of you two. He fought Kitchens back

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in April of this year at one forty. He fought

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someone named Javier Jose Clovero in December of last year

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at one forty. The last time that he made one

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thirty five, he was one thirty four and a half

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was all the way back in March of twenty twenty two,

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if I have this right, when he fought Lee Selby

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of England in Argentina.

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Speaker 1: So if you.

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Speaker 3: Look, if you look over his whole career, he's had

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plenty of fights in the.

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Speaker 1: Way for the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Obviously he is walking around wait and not having to

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worry about one thirty five. It makes a difference here

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on this. And let's see what what Kishan will do.

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All right, So you alluded to that that's the main

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event and again as we released them, pot this is

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Friday Night people, Friday Night main event, so that you

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know for Kishaw, Davis and Limos. All right, what else?

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What else here about this that we need to know,

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including the rest.

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Speaker 3: Of the on the car go ahead, well as far

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as the ban of Incos and you know, and obviously

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Kishan is the favorite in the fight number one. He's

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super excited to be fighting at home. He's gonna probably

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do some kind of tribute in terms of his ring

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walk to Parnel Whitaker, who was his idol, who he

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never saw him fight in terms of like when he

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was alive as a professional, but when Kishon was a

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teenager training as an amateur before he went to the

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Olympics and won a silver medal, Parnel Whitaker worked with

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him and his brother in the gym as a trainer

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first every week before he went off to the Olympic

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training facility. So he has nothing but law for Parnel,

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as do many of boxing fans and sports fans in Norfolk, Virginia,

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So there's that aspect of it. You know, he's in

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the same weight class where Parnell first became champion and

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won the undisputed title out lightweight, so they haven't had

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big time boxing there quite a long time. So anyway,

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that part of it's a big deal, but also more

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significantly along with the brothers who were on the card,

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which kind of gives it that family affair kind of deal.

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It's a highly important fight for Kishon David because he

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even though it's not officially an elimination fight, basically it's

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an elimination fight because Keishon is rated in the top

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three in three of the four organizations, and by all

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accounts if you talk to top rank, the plan is

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if he wins and looks good, they're going to endeavor

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to in his net perhaps as soon as his next fight,

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make a world title fight Kishan, and you listen to

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the podcast that I did with him. In the interview

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talks about how he and Denny's Barentchek have been going

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back and forth privately on their direct messages talking about

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let's fight, and he's got a really good chance to

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get to fight with Barentchek. Now the look owns a

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title fight against Mark Chamberlain is off because Chamberlain lost,

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so that could be the title defen title chance in

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the early part of next year.

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Speaker 2: And k Shawn's an explosive marketable fighter, big moment for him.

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I'm with you, Let's hope he looks spectacular. Let's hope

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a title fight is in the offing, maybe next or

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certainly soon.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you this, that's the idea. If Kishan

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Davis in his first hometown fight could sell ten thousand tickets,

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it instantaneously him among the top draws in terms of

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live Gate in the United States among American boxers because

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there are not that many fighters that fighting. And I

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guarantee you the folks in Norfolk, Virginia do not know

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who Gustavo Alemos is. They know because he's their guy

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from home, but they don't know Gustavo Alemos from Adams,

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so he's instantaneously a top draw. There is only a

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handful of guys you can think of in this sport

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that can draw those kind of crowds. And in terms

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of the undercard, as you mentioned, I mean again, it's

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not the big undercart. Troy Eisley has been slowly but

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surely improving and getting better and looking good. He's fighting

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Tyler Howard. Eisley is thirteen and oh. Like I mentioned,

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he was Keishawn's Olympic teammate. Howard is twenty and one.

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I'm excited to watch the continuing evolution of Abdullah Mason,

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who is a phenomenal up fifteen and oh, just a dynamic,

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explosive I believe a guaranteed future world champion. Thirteen knockouts

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for this young man in fifteen fights, taking on an

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experienced fighter in Joan Vasquez, who is twenty six and five.

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This is an eight rounder. But the thing about about

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Mason is he's looking to just wrap up what is

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a year that is a very good chance of making

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him the prospect of the year from a lot of people.

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I mean, he's already he's basically been spectacular every single

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time he's been in the ring. You know, this is

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gonna be his fifth fight of the year. I know

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how much you love the activity. He scored knockouts in

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all those fights this year. He has not yet in

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calendar year twenty twenty four been beyond the fourth round.

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So that's definitely a guy to watch. And because this

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is an ESPN Plus card, they're just gonna start to

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show at six twenty is Eastern time, and they'll just

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run through the whole show, and he's the I guess

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not the main event, but he's like maybe three four

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fights before the main event. So definitely a guy to

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keep an eye on for sure. I mean, he's actually

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right take that back, he's right before the Issley fight.

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Isley' is the co feature prior to that is Mason,

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and then you've got the Kelvin Davis, which is the

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brother and then another fight and then before that, the

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other brother in the pro Debi and so on and

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so forth, and you know, even buried on the undercard

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of the first fight at you got the featherweight Salim

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who has been a good junior featherweight contender and he's

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moving up to featherweight. He's going to be on this

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card also to try to see how he performs in

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the new weight class. He could be a very interesting

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addition to the one hundred and twenty six pound division.

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Speaker 2: And we keep emphasizing Friday night for the ESPN top

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ranked cards, So as this podcast release, we're also going

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to handicap the Davis fight on the bet US Show

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one Eastern time Friday.

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Speaker 1: But these are Friday Night in Virginia again.

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Speaker 2: Mike Tyson coming up in a few minutes, but we

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got to spend some time on what's happening Saturday night

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in Philadelphia Championship doubleheader, the return of Jeron Boots and

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his to Philly. You talk about a guy selling on

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an arena as he did before, but he's fighting a

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fight here well documented on this podcast. You've said it

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numerous times, we've discussed it, you've written about it.

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Speaker 1: Now the fight's actually going to happen.

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Speaker 2: I don't know who wants this fight outside of Karen

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Chikazi and his team, his family, but this is what

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we get. The IBF basically forced this fight. It's the

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main event. The co feature is Jesse Bam Rodriguez defending

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his WBC Junior banhamweight title, which we're intrigued by. All Right,

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so a few words about the match Room de Zone

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show and the Championship doubleheader please.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's really it's really disappointing that

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that Boots has to be saddled with this fight. I mean,

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it's just a it's a horror show. And you know,

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I'll give credit to everybody involved with match Room and

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Dezone and Ennis and his team, like they're trying to

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make the best of it. He's a young fighter that

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is in a position where he still needs the belt.

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If this was Canelo Alvarez, he tell him to probably

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stick it up their ass, but you know he can

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do that because he's Canelo. Boots Enis is still a

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fighter that needs a title to help him in terms

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of his exposure, his notoriety, you know, his marketability and

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everything that goes along with that. So he had no

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choice but to do this mandatory fight or or vacate

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the belt, which I know he didn't want to do,

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and so it's very unfortunate that he has to fight

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a rematch with a fighter in Chikazi and who already fought.

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It's one thing that you're forced to fight a guy

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that nobody knows and has no record to speak of

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and has never done anything in his career. It's all

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different matter when that same fighter is a guy that

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you were already put in the ring with for the

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interim title in January of twenty twenty three, only a

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couple of fights ago for Boots, and you didn't just

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win the fight, you won literally on all three scorecards,

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one hundred to twenty to one oh eight. And as

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I had a joke with you, I was there in

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the ring in the arena that night. That was when

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Tank Davis headlined against Hector Luis Garcia. They fought in Washington,

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d C. An arena that's about thirty minutes from my home.

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And on the bottom line was I'll never get that

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forty five minutes somebody like back. That's how bad this

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fighting was. I felt bad for Boots. He tried, but

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the guy just ran and wouldn't engage. It was a

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terrible shot case.

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Speaker 2: So that is a perfect segue of how concerned are

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you that we're gonna get the same thing or are

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you encouraged that Boots is gonna cut the ring off

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a little more?

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Speaker 1: Maybe go after this guy? What is your's the case?

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What's your thought?

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Speaker 3: Chikaziin is a is a slickster. He's a tricky guy.

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He's he's he seems like he you know, has good

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technique and skills. He's just boring and has never fought anybody,

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and he got wiped out by Boots. I do hope

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that Boots does show his aggression and maybe can track

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him down and knock him out, you know, if that's

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what you know, And if Chikazi and King, you know,

473
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,920
knock the other guy out, Sobie and I'm just saying,

474
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:12,920
if Boots is the winner of the fight, you hope

475
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,000
it's not another boring snorre fest twelve round where you

476
00:21:16,039 --> 00:21:17,240
want to just get up in the middle of the

477
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,680
fight and walk out. You know. I think the fans

478
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,480
in Philadelphia where he is from, who supported him so

479
00:21:23,599 --> 00:21:26,759
well with a huge crowd when he fought David avanessiin

480
00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:29,519
in his first hometown fight, his first defense that took

481
00:21:29,599 --> 00:21:32,240
place back in July. It's one thing to do that

482
00:21:32,279 --> 00:21:35,880
fight against a somewhat unknown opponent, but it's the celebratory homecoming,

483
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,920
it's the first defense. Now to try to sell the

484
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,519
second defense against a guy that is even more unknown,

485
00:21:41,519 --> 00:21:44,000
who already you beat easily, it's a little bit, probably

486
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,839
more of a hard sell. So that's I think one

487
00:21:45,839 --> 00:21:48,079
of the reasons why Mattroom has at least tried to

488
00:21:48,079 --> 00:21:51,039
put their best foot forward and put a top young

489
00:21:51,079 --> 00:21:53,720
fighter on the card with him, like Bam Rodriguez. So

490
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,559
if you take a look at the way mattrim has

491
00:21:55,559 --> 00:21:58,559
been promoting the show, it's almost like Boots and Bam

492
00:21:58,559 --> 00:22:00,359
are fighting each other because it's all about them, not

493
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,880
about their opponents, because they know that Takazi is a

494
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,359
dog fight. And in terms of Bam Rodriguez, it's not

495
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,519
that his opponent is a bad opponent or anything like that.

496
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,039
Pedro Gavar is actually a pretty solid opponent. He is

497
00:22:11,079 --> 00:22:14,079
the interim title holder. He will be in. This is

498
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,640
a mandatory fight also, so Jesse Bam Rodriguez is defending

499
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,640
his WBC junior Bandam White title. So but at least

500
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,880
in Guavara, he may not be the most known guy,

501
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,599
maybe an underdog and all that, but he's still a

502
00:22:24,799 --> 00:22:27,400
He's a very credible opponent. He's coming off a victory

503
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,599
against Andrew against Andrew Maloney that he that he fought

504
00:22:31,599 --> 00:22:34,240
in Australia. He has another one before that when he

505
00:22:34,279 --> 00:22:37,079
when he won or when he lost his last time out.

506
00:22:37,079 --> 00:22:39,960
It was against Carlos Quadras. It was in an interim

507
00:22:40,039 --> 00:22:40,559
title fight.

508
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 4: Uh.

509
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 3: That was a very competitive decision.

510
00:22:43,599 --> 00:22:43,839
Speaker 4: Uh.

511
00:22:44,279 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 3: And when Quadris was injured and was not able to

512
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,400
make the fight, he ended up becoming the interim titlelder

513
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,000
when he when he beat Maloney. But the point here

514
00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:53,000
is he's an experienced guy. He's held the title in

515
00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:57,079
a smaller way class. You know, he is a quintessential

516
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,759
kind of Mexican. He's gonna come forward and try to

517
00:22:58,759 --> 00:23:00,799
make the fight. So even if BAM is a heavy

518
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,720
duty favorite, you gotta figure there'll be some entertainment value

519
00:23:03,759 --> 00:23:05,400
for that fight. But the fact that you're gonna have

520
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,640
two of the best American younger star fighters on the

521
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,359
same show together, that at least makes it interesting from

522
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,079
that standpoint, because whatever the opponents bring to the table.

523
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,599
You as a fan at least get to see two

524
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,240
of the best in the business together on the same night,

525
00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:22,960
you know, and they're making the best out of it.

526
00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:26,240
No Chryna trying anyway, TJ to make what lemonade out

527
00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:27,160
of Lemons? I guess yeah.

528
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,559
Speaker 2: And they are both explosive fighters. I use that again,

529
00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:31,759
so let's see if we get some fireworks with that.

530
00:23:31,799 --> 00:23:35,839
And Bam Rodriguez we're definitely intrigued by and entertained by,

531
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,200
and he seems to have a more credible opponent. So

532
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,160
they are making the best of it, and again, the

533
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,079
big things ahead for both of them, you would think

534
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,640
if they get this done all right, So what else

535
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,519
on this card before we get to Mike Tyson that

536
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:50,799
stands out?

537
00:23:50,839 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: Because they've got a fairly link the undercard. What else

538
00:23:52,759 --> 00:23:53,079
is there?

539
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,079
Speaker 3: Yeah? They do. I mean, I'm looking forward to seeing

540
00:23:55,319 --> 00:23:57,839
in the fight below those two title fights that we're

541
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,880
just talking about. You do have the return of the

542
00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:03,640
former featherweight Todd holder, Raymond Ford, who is from nearby Camden,

543
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,160
New Jersey. So you got to figure out a few

544
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,519
of the folks in the crowd cheering him on. He's

545
00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:10,200
coming off of that split decision loss that he suffered

546
00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:13,079
in the five on five card in June. That was

547
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,920
in ried Ray lost his WBA title to Nick Ball

548
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,400
and what was a very very good fight. So I'm

549
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,640
looking forward to seeing him back in action against you know,

550
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,359
he's not in with a big name, but he's in

551
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,079
with Orlando Gonzalez who's got an excellent record at twenty

552
00:24:25,079 --> 00:24:29,160
three and two. I'm interested also in the light heavyweight

553
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,960
undefeated up and comer named Khalil Co. He is a

554
00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:34,160
fighter who is managed by Keith Connley, who's been bringing

555
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,519
him along with Mattrew. He seems like he's starting to

556
00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:40,079
turn the corner a little bit, showing some explosiveness. No

557
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,880
longer has had issues like he did in a couple

558
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,279
of fights of being on weight and being in good shape.

559
00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:47,319
He's done that in the last few fights. He's been explosive.

560
00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:49,920
And he's not a twenty two year old kid either.

561
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,000
He's a little bit older. At twenty eight, was a

562
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,200
good amateur, and so I think this is the kind

563
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,240
of fight where if he can show some more explosiveness

564
00:24:57,279 --> 00:24:59,720
as he's been doing, you know, he can move along

565
00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:02,599
very quickly in the light heavyweight division. So that's definitely

566
00:25:02,599 --> 00:25:04,200
a guy to keep an eye on the undercard. And

567
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,119
also you got the return of Austin m O Williams,

568
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,319
who was a top notch up and comer. He's coming

569
00:25:09,319 --> 00:25:13,039
off getting knocked out by Hamza Shiraz in the five

570
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,640
v five card. And Ernesto Mercado, who was a prospect

571
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,640
a lot of people were talking about in the one

572
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,839
hundred and forty pound way class, who was a rare

573
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,119
fighter that was considered and known by a lot of

574
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,279
folks as a prospect, but hadn't signed with the promoter.

575
00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:27,160
They were doing it on their own actually with him

576
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,240
and his dad and they were getting some good traction.

577
00:25:29,559 --> 00:25:31,519
But he finally signed with mattrom and so this will

578
00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:34,319
be his matchroom debut. Ernesto Tito Mercado, He's sixteen to

579
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,119
zero with fifteen knockouts, definitely a prospect to also keep

580
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,880
an eye on. So there's a lot of good talent

581
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,519
on this card, even if the matchups themselves are not

582
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,720
going to blow you away all right.

583
00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:46,799
Speaker 2: And again the Championship double feature were interested in as

584
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,720
well obviously and will handicap those fights on the bet

585
00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:54,039
US Boxing show at one Eastern time. The Dezone matchroom

586
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,079
card from Philadelphia. With that, now let's go to your

587
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,720
conversation with Mike Tyson that you had just recently, and

588
00:26:01,759 --> 00:26:04,640
we should say to the audience, this is not the

589
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,039
typical lengthy Rayphaield conversation. And the reason why you could

590
00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:11,640
explain this a little further, you were one of several

591
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,440
getting the rare opportunity to talk with him in advance

592
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,759
of this Jake Paul fight. And as it turns out,

593
00:26:17,319 --> 00:26:20,079
you were like Derek Jeter for your Yankees. You were

594
00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:22,119
in the one spot. You were the lead off guy

595
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:23,759
here when you got a hold of him, and it

596
00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:25,359
took some work to get it done, but you got

597
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:25,799
that done.

598
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got it done. I mean, look, Number one,

599
00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:29,359
I have a good relationship with Mike and always have

600
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,039
ever since the disastrous first interview, you know, twenty some

601
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,640
years ago. I was in the one slot because to

602
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,079
make it happen, the one thing I have, and you

603
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,400
know this, my hard schedule on Friday is our bet

604
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,240
Us show, That's right, And the time when Mike was

605
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:44,279
available was like right on the edge of that show,

606
00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:45,720
and obviously I didn't want to miss the show. And

607
00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:47,559
that's a mess up, you know. That would be a problem.

608
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 2: We don't have a contingency that if suddenly Mike was

609
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,480
delayed and you had to leave during the show. We

610
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,039
were gonna let you leave and come back and tell

611
00:26:55,079 --> 00:26:56,880
us how that was going. I was kind of sort

612
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,720
of not that I wanted it, but I was kind

613
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,759
of sort of intrigue, how is this going to go?

614
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: But it turns out they were on time. You got

615
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,519
your time with him, right.

616
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 3: So they Mike had they What they did was they

617
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,720
basically were going to do like I think Mike was

618
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,960
doing about an hour of interviews, and they lined up

619
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,799
different people to do these interviews with short interviews, you know,

620
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,960
five ten, five, eight minutes, whenever it was going to be.

621
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,119
And so I say, you know, and again I've got

622
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,319
a good relationship with those folks. They said, listen, I

623
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,000
can make it work, but can you put me first

624
00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:27,079
so I can make sure I'm out by the time

625
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,839
I have this committment position? Exactly? So they did. But

626
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,359
here's the thing. Mike was, uh, you know, first of all,

627
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,039
I don't care if you're if you're doing an interview

628
00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:36,759
you're three or four minutes late. I don't consider that late.

629
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:39,039
He was within a few minutes. It was good. Like

630
00:27:39,079 --> 00:27:40,640
I said, I've known Mike a long time. They hadn't

631
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,200
talked to him for an interview in several years, even

632
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,680
though I saw him in Vegas not that long ago,

633
00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:48,319
and actually, uh, you know, spend a little time shooting

634
00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:50,680
the shit with him. But uh, anyway, we talked about

635
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,039
the Jake Paul fight that's coming up on November fifteenth,

636
00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:54,920
and got into a couple of things about that, and

637
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,839
it was good to talk to me. Look good. He

638
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,799
was in a good mood. You know. I was always

639
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,799
concerned is he going to be on time, because that's

640
00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:04,480
not necessarily Mike sporte timeliness. But you know what he's

641
00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:06,839
He's taken this and acting like a true professional, it

642
00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:09,000
seems to me, And it was. It was excellent to

643
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:10,359
talk to him. I'm glad that we got it done

644
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,839
and now the fans can hear what he has to say.

645
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,799
Speaker 1: An excellent segue.

646
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,799
Speaker 2: Let's get to that conversation with Iron Mike fighting Jake

647
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,519
Paul coming up next Friday night.

648
00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:21,319
Speaker 1: Here you go right now on the pod.

649
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 3: Well, it is my great pleasure to be welcome to

650
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,920
our podcast today none other than the former Undisputed heavyweight

651
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,359
champion of the world and dare I say boxing icon

652
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,000
Mike Tyson. Mike, it's been a while since we've had

653
00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:36,359
an interview. I really appreciate It's great to see you.

654
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,680
How have you been. Basically, you're doing great.

655
00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 5: I've been training over a year so fun.

656
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 4: Now I'm just grateful to be healthy, grateful to be here,

657
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,079
and looking forward to tonight.

658
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: Well, I know a lot of people are looking forward

659
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,880
to this, And I must say, you know I covered

660
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,359
your career when you were thrown active fighter back in

661
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,119
the early two thousands. Uh, you know, you were still

662
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,279
one of the biggest attraction stars in boxing. I don't

663
00:28:57,319 --> 00:28:59,799
think that's changed actually, even though you haven't been fighting.

664
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:02,240
But it blows my mind that twenty five years later,

665
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,519
I'm still covering professional boxing. But it blows my mind

666
00:29:05,559 --> 00:29:08,079
more that Mike Tyson's getting back in the ring for

667
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,160
what is an officially sanctioned oubt despite a few rules squeaks.

668
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,960
And I wonder what is your motivation for this event

669
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:17,279
other than obviously you're being paid very well for it.

670
00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 4: Well, now, you know this payday wouldn't change my life

671
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,160
any you know, my life would still be the same

672
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,240
if I didn't get received this person is just that

673
00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:28,559
I want to test myself.

674
00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:31,319
Speaker 5: I want to get outside my comfort zone.

675
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,599
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean everybody knows your history. You were, at

676
00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:38,240
age twenty, the youngest heavyweight champion in the history of boxing,

677
00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:42,240
and as you know, your mentor, the Great Custom Model,

678
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,880
predicted that it was his prophecy. He unfortunately died before

679
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,039
he was able to see you realize that. And I

680
00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:51,480
wonder if you ever given a moment thought to what

681
00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:54,039
he would think that now you're coming out of almost

682
00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:55,799
a twenty year retirement to fight again.

683
00:29:56,279 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 4: He would love it because he thought that fighting was

684
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,400
psychological one of one of the physical.

685
00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 5: And if we'll.

686
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:05,839
Speaker 4: Fighter stayed in shape and he stayed the active, you'll

687
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,000
still be successful at old age as well.

688
00:30:09,319 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 3: What do your kids think about this? Because they weren't

689
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,720
around when you were champion, they weren't around when you

690
00:30:13,759 --> 00:30:16,200
were a top contender and still active, and they're gonna

691
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,880
get to see their dad fight for the first time.

692
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,200
Probably most of the you know these.

693
00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:25,279
Speaker 4: Some of my kids probably say you crazy, you know,

694
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:28,200
you know kids kids don't look at you, and other

695
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,440
people look at you, look at your dad to see

696
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,599
your flow of Hey, you're crazy dad. I think your

697
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:36,039
old lad Dawn or something like that. But you know,

698
00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:38,200
I think they're gonna be an exciting scene. They'd be

699
00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:40,599
exciting to see that the flags more than an old man.

700
00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 3: All right, you mentioned old man. I mean we all

701
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,039
know you're fifty eight years old. Your your opponent, Jake Paul,

702
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,839
is twenty seven. He's thirty one years younger than you.

703
00:30:50,119 --> 00:30:51,720
So what do you say to the people, Because you

704
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,000
have so many people out there that love you, idolize you,

705
00:30:54,839 --> 00:30:56,960
just you know, think you're one of the greatest fighters

706
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,519
of all time, but probably acknowledge that men who are

707
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:02,519
sixty year years old probably shouldn't be in the boxing ring,

708
00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:05,559
particularly with a guy that's young, with good power and

709
00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:07,119
in his physical prime. What do you say to the

710
00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:08,599
people that are concerned for you?

711
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 5: A lot of things I shouldn't be doing more than fighting.

712
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,319
Speaker 4: I shouldn't be out in club thinking that I'm a

713
00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:19,039
big shot of something, out of a big event, being

714
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:21,799
worshiped by people. I think I'm too old for that crap.

715
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,000
You know, I think I'm too old. A sieve award

716
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:29,400
the iconically, I think I'm too old for that. But fighting,

717
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,440
kicking somebody death. No, I don't think I'm too old

718
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:31,720
for that.

719
00:31:31,839 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: No, what do you say to the people then who

720
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:37,640
look at this? And again, they know Mike Tyson, They've

721
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,000
seen the highlights, They maybe watch your fights, maybe they're

722
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,920
fans of Jakes, but they look at the pairing between

723
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,359
you two guys, they say, well, this is kind of

724
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,680
a sideshow. What is your response to those folks.

725
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 4: I'm not their opinion. It's the other things I could say,

726
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,000
but you're right that they're opendent it.

727
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: So I'll take you. I'll take you back when you

728
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,920
had your fine fight obviously before this one, your your

729
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,359
last official fight against Kevin McBride two thousand and five,

730
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,799
almost you know, twenty years ago. I know I covered

731
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:10,519
that fight. I can vividly remember. I don't know if

732
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:12,640
you remember this. You tell me fights over you did

733
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,720
your press commence, you announce your retirement, and you and

734
00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:18,400
me and I was early in my days at ESPN,

735
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,759
and my former colleague from USA today who I know

736
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:23,440
you know well over the years, John Sarasino. The three

737
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,920
of us sat at the table at the at the

738
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,680
Dais after your press commence, and you talked to us

739
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,400
for like a half an hour and basically said, I

740
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,480
don't ever want to fight again. I'd never want to

741
00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:34,279
pick up gloves. I hate to smell of the gym.

742
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:35,119
I'm done.

743
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,599
Speaker 5: Remember that. You remember that implicitly, but you have to

744
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:41,319
really consider it.

745
00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 4: Back then, I'm doing cocaine, I'm doing liquor, I'm doing

746
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,759
all kind of drug. I'm killing myself. I'm not having

747
00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:50,000
a good relationship with myself my time. Times are different

748
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:52,440
now I have I have a totally different relationship with

749
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,519
myself from God, and I don't feel like that anymore.

750
00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: Well, I guess I'm glad to hear that. What what was? Uh? What?

751
00:32:59,640 --> 00:32:59,759
Speaker 2: What?

752
00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 3: What is the status of your health? Because this fight

753
00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:03,880
was scheduled a few months ago and they had.

754
00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 4: A bleeding ulsa and I was leading bad food. I

755
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,720
had a bleeding ulsa and I started feeling exhausted during

756
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:14,039
my workout and I couldn't understand that because just a

757
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:16,799
week before that, I was going eight rounds, ten round

758
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:19,400
and I would go three rounds and I was exhausted.

759
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 5: And they said, I'm looking good. But they said, but

760
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:25,359
I said, I'm exhausted. What do you mean I'm looking good?

761
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:26,799
And then I want to get checked.

762
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,559
Speaker 4: I went to the hot I was getting ready to

763
00:33:28,599 --> 00:33:32,160
go to Los Angeles and I was.

764
00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:34,759
Speaker 5: On the plane and I passed out on the plane.

765
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,519
Speaker 3: And you're good now or they're still astription now I'm

766
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:41,000
perfect now, okay? Uh, you know, And this is one

767
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,680
thing I wonder also. I mean, I guess you and

768
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,599
I've heard you say this. You know, once a fighter,

769
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,559
always a fighter. But do you still have it in

770
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,640
you like you did when you were the baddest man

771
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,920
on the planet and would go into the ring and

772
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,839
destroy your opponents. Maybe you can do that, maybe you can't.

773
00:33:56,839 --> 00:33:59,039
But do you have the mentality still that that's what

774
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:01,319
you want to do? Go in there and destroy Jake

775
00:34:01,359 --> 00:34:03,720
Paul on November I believe I could do it with

776
00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:09,519
Jake Paul. You do. Yeah, So we're gonna see you

777
00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:11,719
think we're gonna see a classic Mike Tyson knockout.

778
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,159
Speaker 5: I'm coming again him coming straight forth.

779
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 3: All right, I wrap up with just this last question then, Mike.

780
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,320
They amended the rules a little bit, made the two

781
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,159
minute rounds fourteen ounce gloves a little different than your

782
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:26,199
average men's boxing match. You would normally as a heavyweight,

783
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:28,960
where uh the the ten ounce gloves and have three

784
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,800
minute rounds. Can you just tell me just a little

785
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,639
bit about your thoughts about the rules changes with.

786
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:38,599
Speaker 4: Two minute rounds would be more action, and I don't know,

787
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:42,440
this is a fight regardless about those rules.

788
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 5: This is a fight and sometimes we been the low.

789
00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:49,039
Speaker 3: All right, Mike, I really appreciate your time. I know

790
00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:50,920
our time is limited, so I just will say thank

791
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:57,920
you very much and I wish you good thing you again. Yeah, Mike,

792
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,400
great to see you. Also, thank you very much. And

793
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:00,800
like I said, best that's lucky in the fight.

794
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:07,639
Speaker 2: Can I just tell you that just hearing that, I mean,

795
00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:09,920
that's tremendous. I didn't I don't you know, I don't

796
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,960
get the privilege of seeing it because again you did

797
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,119
a video interview with him, and we only get to

798
00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:17,159
hear it. But just hearing that gets you rolling. I

799
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:20,000
don't know what this is gonna be in Arlington, Texas.

800
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,440
I'm talking about hearing him here on the pod with

801
00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:25,719
always the mere fact that I'm just getting to hear

802
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,679
him gets me in a bigger more anticipatory is that

803
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:30,920
the right word mood?

804
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: For the jay? I don't know what this is gonna

805
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:33,960
be with Jake's.

806
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,119
Speaker 3: All the interviews that we've had on the pod. That's

807
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:37,119
that's the biggest name.

808
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,559
Speaker 2: With certainly certainly massive there on that. So again, I

809
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:43,719
hope we get to the finish line. We're now within

810
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,920
a week of getting to the finish line because he's

811
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,400
had health problems. He's fifty eight. But at least you

812
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,000
got to hear from Iron Mike about this. All right,

813
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:53,239
wrap it up as we now get ready for fight

814
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,480
week for that week next week.

815
00:35:55,039 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 3: Well, I just say there's a lot, a lot of

816
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,559
differences between doing some interviews with some boxing writers and

817
00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:04,320
reporters and media personalities compared to getting in the ring

818
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,079
and facing a twenty seven year old man that's throwing

819
00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:08,159
punches at your head when you haven't been in a

820
00:36:08,519 --> 00:36:11,079
real fight in twenty years. So, you know, for for

821
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:12,960
everybody's sake, I hope it's not a train wreck that

822
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,159
a lot of people are expecting. I don't know what's

823
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:17,639
going to happen. I certainly have my feelings about how

824
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:19,480
the result's going to happen. We'll get into that later

825
00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:23,519
as the fight gets closer. But I hope that when

826
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:27,519
it's over that people are not disappointed. At least a

827
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:30,239
good thing about it is compared to having spent maybe

828
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,199
seven or eighty dollars in a pay per view. At

829
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,039
least this is not a pay per view. It's part

830
00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:37,000
of a regular Netflix subscription. Obviously, millions and millions of

831
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,400
people have Netflix, so no extra charge. You watch it

832
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,519
the same way you watch anything else you might watch Netflix.

833
00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:43,559
So from that standpoint, it is good. And they have

834
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:46,800
some interesting fights on the undercard, obviously the Katie Taylor

835
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:50,920
rematch against Amanda Toronto, so it's going to be, you know,

836
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:52,400
an event. So let's put it like that.

837
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,599
Speaker 2: We have at least gotten in range of fight week

838
00:36:56,679 --> 00:37:00,559
brother Rayfield. So that's good, that's upcoming, and excellent job,

839
00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:02,880
excellent hustle with getting iron.

840
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:03,159
Speaker 1: Mike.

841
00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 3: Let me tell you that all I know.

842
00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:08,199
Speaker 2: Is when you shared that photo with me, I privately

843
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,000
shared it with our bet Us people, who went absolutely

844
00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:12,880
bonkers that you were talking to Mike Tyson even though

845
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,719
they couldn't hear the interview. I'm like, this is what

846
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,239
he's doing. Right before we do the live show as

847
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,519
we plug again for Friday. So we've gotten that interview.

848
00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:23,079
Now we get ready for Jake Paul and Mike Tyson

849
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,079
coming up. All right, some news and some nostalgia. Have

850
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:28,239
we solved?

851
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, what is this on my rundown? Have

852
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,760
we solved? The Connor ban? Saga?

853
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:36,079
Speaker 2: Is the word that I will use with his drug

854
00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:40,320
suspension with the British Boxing Board of Control. My eyes

855
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,840
glazed over like months ago, but apparently it is now

856
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,559
solved and he can now fight in the UK again.

857
00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: Fill in the gaps please.

858
00:37:48,159 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if I would use the word solved.

859
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,000
Here's the bottom line. He basically served about a two

860
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:55,920
year period of time at home in the UK where

861
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,719
he didn't fight, which had he just dealt with it

862
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,639
when it first happened and taking the suspension, it probably

863
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:04,639
would have been a two year ban anyway. So at

864
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:06,239
some point he was going to be allowed to fight again,

865
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,280
and as everybody probably knows, because of technicalities, he was

866
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,519
able to fight twice in that period of time in

867
00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:15,239
the United States, where he was licensed by Florida and

868
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,559
also by Nevada, because the ABC removed him from the

869
00:38:18,679 --> 00:38:22,159
United States, uh, you know, the suspension list, the national

870
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:27,400
suspension list, because the ABC attempted to get some clarification

871
00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:30,719
about his case in Britain, and as I was told

872
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,320
by the ABC, they were not helpful. They did not

873
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,719
answer our queries about what's going on, and so they

874
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,679
felt like we can't just hold this guy up forever

875
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,960
without Ali's getting an acknowledgement about what's going on from

876
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,239
his home commission. So he did fight two times, but

877
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,000
his money, his name, where he means something is obviously

878
00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:50,719
in the United Kingdom and so therefore it was very

879
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,639
important for him to be able to fight there if

880
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:54,719
he's going to carry out his career. And after a

881
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,519
lot of stuff, you don't have to get into every detail.

882
00:38:56,519 --> 00:38:58,320
I'm sick the fucking death of it. I've been writing

883
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,199
about it and it's making me wane of thy row

884
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,880
up most of the time. The bottom line is this

885
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,280
week on Wednesday, the British Boxing Border Control lifted his

886
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,039
provisional suspension that was related to the two belt drug

887
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:13,440
tests are really I guess the one is what made

888
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,400
it happen, where he failed for a banned substance boma fene,

889
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,840
and it forced a fight with him and Chris you

890
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,400
Bank Junior to be canceled a few days before the fight.

891
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,159
It was very, very a big deal in the UK

892
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,760
all around the boxing world anyway, after a lot of

893
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,199
back and forth, they lifted the suspension and behind the scenes,

894
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,440
I've known this for a while there was always the

895
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,159
back and forth about how it's going to come to

896
00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:38,440
an end. It just matters are going to be lifted

897
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:40,719
now before the end of this year? Are they going

898
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,920
to make him wait till they get into like March April?

899
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,480
And for whatever the reasons were, they ended up lifting

900
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,679
the suspension. Now u COD which is their drug testing

901
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,159
agency in Grape in the UK, they have the right

902
00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:55,079
to appeal this and they in their statement they said

903
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:57,440
we may appeal this. They have twenty one days, so

904
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:00,639
it may not one hundred percent be over. We'll have

905
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,559
to see what happens within that three weeks, if they

906
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:04,039
go through and see.

907
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: If he corrected me correctly. It's not completely solved. It's

908
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,119
solved from the British Boxing Border Controls point of view.

909
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,480
Can I just ask one simple clarifying question, So why

910
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,599
did they not just levy a suspension and say here

911
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:23,079
is the length of suspension. What's the simple answer to that?

912
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 3: Because the British Boxing Border of Control is a private

913
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,639
entity and they lacked balls, and they lacked financing, and

914
00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:32,320
they were worried that they were going to get sued

915
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:33,079
into oblivion.

916
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: But he had flunked a drug test.

917
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 3: Now I'm gonna tell you what happened with that.

918
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not trying to take sides. He flunked

919
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,800
a second where they could buy unless have gone after him.

920
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,679
There's a very specific reason for that. No one is acknowledged.

921
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,360
No one is saying he didn't sail a test. Obviously.

922
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 3: Connor Benn says whatever they found was not on purpose.

923
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,400
The WBC, which was his original test as part of

924
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,840
the Queen Boxing program, was a positive test also, but

925
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,360
that was not the one that caused the a'st least

926
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,559
in that one came to light after the cancelation. But

927
00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:04,920
the way the WBC says, and they went and did

928
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,199
their so called investigation, they said they had absolved in

929
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,719
because under the WBC rules of the Clean Boxing program,

930
00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:15,880
they do not go by the concept of strict liability.

931
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:18,679
They determined, whether you agree with it or not, is

932
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,199
that he did not take it knowingly and so therefore

933
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,760
he was not going to be punished. Whatever. Say what

934
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,719
you want about that. In terms of what was going

935
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,440
on with Yukot and the other tests that caused the

936
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,440
fight to be suspended. Remember, Chris Ubank Junior and Connor

937
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,920
Ben hired and contracted with Evada to do testing before

938
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:40,239
this fight that was scheduled for October eighth, twenty twenty two. Now,

939
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,719
when that sample was taken, the test result that came

940
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,800
back positive was tested by Vada, who they hired to

941
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,920
conduct the testing. While they were being tested by Vada

942
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,840
u COD which also has discretion over British athletic contests,

943
00:41:56,039 --> 00:41:59,119
we're also doing testing. He did not fail a u

944
00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:02,320
contest and so the argument is again right or wrong,

945
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,360
is that Vada has no right to be involved with

946
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,000
our testing and have it go to the British Boxing

947
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:14,280
Board because our home testing UH company is Yukat and

948
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,760
so he felt they test it has no bearing on

949
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,000
our rule. So there was the whole I get.

950
00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm not trying to bog us down. I'm

951
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,000
not trying to go into all the wage. You did

952
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:26,239
a good job of explaining that. But here there's the answer.

953
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 3: Connor Ben is free to fight in the UK and

954
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,239
most likely we'll see on the first part of next

955
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,280
year the.

956
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,599
Speaker 2: Last you unless the Yukat appeal slows that down, which

957
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:36,440
you just pointed out.

958
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 3: So That's why I remember if you go back a

959
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,519
few weeks ago when when better BF and Bi Boll

960
00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:44,000
had their fight in Saudi Arabia, Chris U Bank Junior

961
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:47,519
was on the undercard uh torturing poor Camille Zarametta and

962
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:49,320
knocking him out. And who was in the ring face

963
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,280
to face with him after the fight to drum up

964
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,960
and reignite the hype for a possible fight was Connor

965
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,159
Ben and that fight. I'd be very shocked if to fight.

966
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: That's not next, right. We believe that, and they've been

967
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:00,719
trying to lay the ground for that for a year

968
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,840
and a half. And let's just say one more time

969
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,400
because I'll share this with the audience, just like I

970
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,840
shared it before I took clomaphine clomed trying to have

971
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,159
children as part of fertility. The male human body does

972
00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:17,519
not make that. You have to take it.

973
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 3: Well, unless you eat too many eggs, which was his excuse.

974
00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: Dog ate my homework.

975
00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:28,599
Speaker 2: The human male body doesn't make it, large amounts of

976
00:43:28,639 --> 00:43:32,880
it that showed up in tests, et cetera. It's primarily

977
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,519
a female drug, but males can take it as well

978
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:37,519
as part of fertility.

979
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 3: And so please you know I'm sick.

980
00:43:41,039 --> 00:43:41,639
Speaker 1: Can we move on?

981
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 3: Let's move on.

982
00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:45,199
Speaker 2: He's sort of reinstated until u COD files their appeal

983
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:47,079
and you and I are going to laugh if that happens.

984
00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:50,239
I am already tipping that. All right, more news the

985
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,480
Monster nao yah in a way. What's going on here?

986
00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:54,199
He's done a deal with ri Odd Season. I'll tell

987
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:55,719
you what's going on. It's for a lot of money.

988
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,599
What is this? What does this mean? What does it mean?

989
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,199
The Monster up with Riad Season.

990
00:44:01,679 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting because they made him the so called

991
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,320
read Season Ambassador, which is like a you know, a title, uh,

992
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,719
and they are they're promoting their read Season event and

993
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:11,880
their logo, and then.

994
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: How don't we get to be ambassadors and get some money?

995
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,440
Can you look into that? Please make that check that out.

996
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,679
Speaker 3: So Turkey Alschk is apparently a big Naya in a

997
00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:21,559
way fan. I don't really know any boxing fans that

998
00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:23,639
don't love watching him fight. But the thing that's so

999
00:44:23,679 --> 00:44:26,559
crazy about this is that the other fighters that they

1000
00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:29,519
have worked with and signed up to be so called ambassadors,

1001
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,519
people like Hamsas Shiraz and Jared Anderson and Terrence Crawford

1002
00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:36,840
and some others. They fight in Saudi Arabia or they

1003
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,159
fight on read season cards.

1004
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 4: Uh.

1005
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 3: You know Terrence Crawford, he headlined a read card Read

1006
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,599
Season card in Los Angeles. Obviously I'm just Araza spot

1007
00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:47,239
over there. You know. Tyson Fury obviously is part of

1008
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,960
that whole thing. He's fighting in Saudi Arabia. Anyway. The

1009
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:51,920
thing that's amazing is that they gave Noia in a

1010
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:56,519
way three billion yen, which I looked that up on

1011
00:44:56,559 --> 00:44:58,840
that conversion chart because I'm like, holy shit, that's a

1012
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,119
lot of money, which it is, but when you hear billion,

1013
00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:03,000
You're like, damn, I wonder how much that is Anyway,

1014
00:45:03,199 --> 00:45:05,840
in American money, it's about twenty million dollars. But they're

1015
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,079
giving him twenty million bucks to basically where the logo

1016
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:11,559
and promote Saudi Arabian, promote Reance season. But nothing in

1017
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:14,639
the agreement it says he has to fight in Saudi Arabia,

1018
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,280
which was amazing to me. Now he may ultimately do

1019
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,639
that as he continues the relationship with those folks in

1020
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,719
Turkey who met with him and did this deal. So's

1021
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,159
it's there. They're trying to raise the the profile of

1022
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:33,239
Saudi Arabia in Asia to the Japanese folks to get

1023
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,320
them to try to maybe make a trip to Saudi

1024
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,519
Arabia and take part in reance season and the festival

1025
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:40,519
and all the activities and things that they do there.

1026
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:42,480
But I just thought it was interesting because it's a

1027
00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:45,880
big amount of money and there's really not a lot

1028
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,239
you got to do. He doesn't even have to leave Japan.

1029
00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:51,079
Speaker 2: Said, how do we get one of those ambassador jobs.

1030
00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:52,719
I don't say for twenty million, but we got a look.

1031
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,079
Speaker 3: One near thing is even if he wanted to, at

1032
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:57,960
least for the current way his schedule is situated, it

1033
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,960
would be unlikely he'd fight there for a while anyway,

1034
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:02,519
because as you know, he's fighting in Tokyo on December

1035
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:06,239
twenty fourth. If he wins that fight, he's then gonna

1036
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,559
probably come to the plan is anyway f him to

1037
00:46:08,559 --> 00:46:10,840
fight in Las Vegas probably around the April time frame,

1038
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:13,159
and then if everything goes well in that fight, it's

1039
00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:16,079
a trip back to Japan to have the Knakatani fight

1040
00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:18,519
at the Tokyo Dome sometime you know, in the summer

1041
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:20,760
early fall. Now, if he could squeeze in a fourth fight,

1042
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,960
maybe they do it in Saudi Arabia at the end

1043
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,280
of the year, we'll be within the context of Riot Season,

1044
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:30,000
which runs from roughly October till like March, so we'll see.

1045
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:32,159
So I just thought that was a fascinating thing to

1046
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:35,199
see him. Good, big money deal with not a lot

1047
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:35,480
to do.

1048
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 2: Cash in if you can cash in, and we'll talk

1049
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,280
more about the monster and an anniversary of a tremendous

1050
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,960
fight here in a few minutes. Cash inn, get the

1051
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,440
money while you can get the money, all right. So

1052
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:48,559
as we continue on the news and injury to junior

1053
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:53,199
welterweight contender Kenneth Simms has him off speaking of Riat Season,

1054
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,199
their upcoming what is it Latino Night card that they

1055
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,519
have in another week or so?

1056
00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:00,280
Speaker 1: What's up here? With the injury going on?

1057
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 3: This was the disappointment. I mean, they have a really

1058
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,719
good looking card that Golden Boy is doing in conjunction

1059
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,639
with a Riat Season. It's so Latino Knight. It's an

1060
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:10,760
excellent main event, which is gilbert O Zerto Ramirez who

1061
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,280
was obviously Latino taken on the britt Chris Billin Smith

1062
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,480
in a title unification fight in the cruiserweight division. And

1063
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:19,199
it's a deep show, but one of the undercard fights

1064
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,320
was I thought was a really interesting, good looking fight.

1065
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:27,519
It was a title eliminator between Oscar Duarte, who's a tough,

1066
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:29,360
ruggy guy. We know him from you saw him, even

1067
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,440
though a loss, put up a good fight against Ryan Garcia,

1068
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:35,719
but a very powerful puncher. And Kenneth Sims, who's also

1069
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,679
a very good fighter, was a top notch amateur. Really

1070
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,960
just a good, solid fight and it unfortunately Kenny Simms

1071
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,960
suffered a knee injury and had to pull out of

1072
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,679
the fight, so instead of fighting on this card, they

1073
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,440
replaced him. It won't be a ten eliminator and it

1074
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,239
will be a little bit over the one hundred and

1075
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,559
forty pound weight limit. They'll do a fight at one

1076
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:54,519
hundred and forty two pounds. He's going to take on

1077
00:47:54,679 --> 00:47:57,519
Batier Akhmedov, who is also a very good fighter, who

1078
00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:00,119
if you actually follow this type of stuff close, you

1079
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:04,960
remember back in twenty twenty three, Achmandov and Kenny Simms

1080
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,679
had a fight of the Year candid on Showtime that

1081
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,840
was absolutely sensational. So we know Achmandov has been in

1082
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,199
some great fights. Duarte is in good fight so as

1083
00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:15,360
a replacement fight, this one's not too bad. At all.

1084
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,679
I just would have loved to see Sims and Duarte

1085
00:48:18,159 --> 00:48:19,480
do their business. I thought that was a hell of

1086
00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:21,360
a fight. Maybe they'll be able to rescheduled at some point,

1087
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,239
and certainly hope Kenneth Simms's knee is nothing serious and

1088
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,360
he's back in the ring sooner than later.

1089
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 2: And one more note before the nostalgia. Former light heavyweight

1090
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,960
world champ Joe Smith Junior in the United States.

1091
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: Is now going to be back. What have you learned?

1092
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,559
Speaker 2: And I know he fought previously against Zerdo Ramirez.

1093
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: What has a cruiser weight? What does it look like here?

1094
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 3: Well, I mean Joe lost his light heavyweight title when

1095
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,800
he got knocked out in the second round by Arthur

1096
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,639
better vieav in a unification fight. That was a great

1097
00:48:49,639 --> 00:48:52,760
performance from Better Beef. And Joe hasn't really fought a

1098
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,079
whole lot since then. But when he did have his

1099
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:57,960
he's lost two in a row, one against Better bf

1100
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,159
That was back in what June of twenty two, and

1101
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:02,639
he didn't fight again until he fought in the end

1102
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:04,239
of last year, like around a year ago from where

1103
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,760
we are now. October of twenty twenty three, he fought.

1104
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,480
He moved up there it wasn't like the full cruiser

1105
00:49:08,679 --> 00:49:10,400
limit at two hundred. They fought like in the one nineties.

1106
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,159
I forget what the exact contract wait was, but he

1107
00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:16,159
moved up and he fought Zerdo Ramirez and he lost

1108
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:18,800
a decision in that fight, and you're kind of like, well,

1109
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,519
maybe that's the end for Joe. Not really sure if

1110
00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:22,440
he's gonna come back. It's now been, you know, a

1111
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:25,639
year since his last fight. So Joe Diguardia, who was

1112
00:49:25,639 --> 00:49:29,079
his promoter from Star Boxing, I guess he talked about

1113
00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:31,119
it at the WBO convention, but he also told it

1114
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:33,639
to me when we were texting back and forth in

1115
00:49:33,679 --> 00:49:36,599
the last couple of days, that he's bringing Joe Smith back.

1116
00:49:36,639 --> 00:49:39,039
He's gonna fight in February. They're still trying to nail

1117
00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:41,480
down all the details of the opponent in a exact date.

1118
00:49:41,519 --> 00:49:44,119
He said he's working on some kind of broadcaster deal

1119
00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:47,159
for that. I just know this, whatever Joe does, I

1120
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,880
enjoy watching Joe Smith fight. He's been some excellent boxing

1121
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,199
matches over the course of his career. A real good dude,

1122
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,360
and you know, we'll see if he can. He's thirty

1123
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,199
five years old. He's not getting any younger. You know

1124
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,960
he does. He has lost two fights in a row,

1125
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:01,960
and we'll see he's got anything left to make, maybe

1126
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,880
one more run at a title in the cruiserweight division.

1127
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,599
Speaker 2: All right, good enough nostalgia. Time to wrap it. And

1128
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,199
on this day that we're recording the podcast, Thursday to Friday,

1129
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:17,079
November seventh has two significant anniversaries. Let's go back to

1130
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,199
November seventh, nineteen eighty eight, thirty six years ago when

1131
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:27,880
the Sugar Ray Leonard defeated Donnie Lalan, a Canadian, and

1132
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,000
I'm gonna I'm gonna have fun going back and forth

1133
00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:33,280
with you because it ends up being for two titles

1134
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,239
in two different weight divisions, which is cuckoo as it

1135
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:41,559
is the WBC's newly created super middleweight division. And also

1136
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,039
Donnie Lalan was the light heavyweight world champ as well

1137
00:50:46,119 --> 00:50:48,760
for the WBC, so it's a.

1138
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: Knockout for Leonard that night.

1139
00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:55,199
Speaker 2: I still remember vividly watching this fight, seeing this fight

1140
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,840
in the knockout, a brutal knockout of Lalan, who was

1141
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,320
exhausted by the way at the end of the thing,

1142
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:01,440
as well as being hurt.

1143
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,039
Speaker 1: All right, let's get into the nostalgia. Go ahead, My friend.

1144
00:51:05,079 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Donnie Lahan had won the WBC light

1145
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,800
heavyweight title, he defended it once, and now he has

1146
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,800
the opportunity to make this mega fight against Sugar Ray Leonard.

1147
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,079
I mean, imagine a social media existed back then though,

1148
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,159
where he's fighting for two titles in the same night.

1149
00:51:17,159 --> 00:51:19,519
People would have ripped on Sugar Ray Leonard and on

1150
00:51:19,519 --> 00:51:21,880
the WBC about it. But it's not like it's never

1151
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,440
happened since then. I mean, one of the things that

1152
00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:26,280
you remember, remember when Leo Santa Cruz and Tank Davis

1153
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,679
had their fight. They fought the fight at one hundred

1154
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:31,039
and thirty pounds, but it also had a light white

1155
00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:33,239
title at stake. Also, I mean, so it's not and

1156
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,920
they actually compared it to the Leonard and Thelon fight.

1157
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,400
But remember where Sugar Ray Leonard was in his career

1158
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,599
at this point when they're making this match. He has

1159
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:50,519
in April of nineteen eighty seven, he has scored a massive, historic, monstrous, gargantuan, humongous, upset, legendary.

1160
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,159
I don't know what other words I can use. TJ

1161
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:56,079
victory against Marvel as Marvin Hagler to win the Middleway

1162
00:51:56,159 --> 00:51:59,199
Championship of the World in one of the most entered

1163
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:00,840
you know, just a huge, huge, one of the biggest

1164
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,920
fights in the history of boxing. Gigantic fight, huge. I mean,

1165
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,719
talk about Ray Leonard in his greatness, and he's got

1166
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,880
a lot of huge wins, but I'm not sure anything

1167
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,440
is bigger than what he did that night against him.

1168
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,639
Speaker 2: Great came out of a what three year retirement, three

1169
00:52:14,639 --> 00:52:18,960
and a half years of invincible and Leonard beat him.

1170
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,519
Speaker 3: Moving by the way, he was moving up two weight

1171
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:21,440
classes to fight him.

1172
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 2: Right, and now this is roughly a year and a

1173
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:24,639
half after all of.

1174
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 3: That, right, so he did exactly so he I don't

1175
00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:30,280
I don't think Ray retired after the Hagular fighting. Maybe

1176
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,320
just didn't. Maybe he did or didn't announce it, but

1177
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,440
in ye he'd been out of the ring another you know,

1178
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:36,519
good not not almost you know, three and a half years,

1179
00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:39,039
but still quite a while. And now he's going to

1180
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:42,480
move up even heavier in weight. So he's now fighting

1181
00:52:42,519 --> 00:52:44,960
for as you said, the newly created super middleweight belt

1182
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:49,039
of the WBC. Lalan is the light heavyweight title there.

1183
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:51,480
So in terms of where they weighed, Ray weighed in

1184
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:55,119
one hundred and sixty five pounds, so still not at

1185
00:52:55,159 --> 00:52:57,239
the full super middleweight limit, but that by far the

1186
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:58,800
heaviest he ever weighed in his curb because he was

1187
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,320
only one fifty eight when he waited against Marvin Hagler

1188
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,960
for the middleway title, and Lalan came down to one

1189
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:06,760
sixty seven to do this fight for the two belts,

1190
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,599
and it was a big deal Caesars Palace in Las Vegas,

1191
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,320
you know, big close circuit kind of fight, and Sugar

1192
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,920
Ray Leonard, you know, the flair for the dramatic as

1193
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,519
he always had in his career, looked absolutely spectacular in

1194
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:23,079
this fight and scored a devastating knockout.

1195
00:53:23,519 --> 00:53:23,639
Speaker 2: Uh.

1196
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 3: I don't remember when the fight was being discussed and promoted,

1197
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,039
like if people gave Lalan a huge chance to win,

1198
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:35,920
I just don't remember. But the reality was, even if

1199
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,480
you thought Ray was gonna win, I'm not sure people

1200
00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:39,760
thought that he was gonna abolutely destroy Laalan the way

1201
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:40,440
he ended up doing.

1202
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 2: And it was the best that I recollect And I

1203
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,320
remember a lot of this because you and I we

1204
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,760
often say this were huge Sugar Ray Leonard guys, growing up,

1205
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,400
how could you not be? Was that Lalan was not

1206
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:55,199
well known, He had not brought on TV a whole bunch,

1207
00:53:55,639 --> 00:53:58,280
and so the belief was Leonard's got a real chance

1208
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,880
to beat this guy that not many people knew a

1209
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,400
whole lot about, and then he ended up doing so.

1210
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:06,960
I just will say the one thing though, looking back

1211
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,000
at the historical part of this, it's silly that it

1212
00:54:10,199 --> 00:54:12,360
was for the light heavyweight title when they weren't fighting

1213
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,239
as light heavyweights and they were.

1214
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: Under the limit.

1215
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,599
Speaker 2: And Leonard, by the way, vacated immediately, and never if

1216
00:54:18,599 --> 00:54:22,039
I'm correct, never fought it light heavyweight ever again, never

1217
00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:24,239
fought in the first place, never fought as a light heavyweight.

1218
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,280
But nonetheless it doesn't take away from him, you know,

1219
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,320
a year and a half later splatting a much bigger guy,

1220
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:32,599
which he did in this fight.

1221
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 3: After this fight, Ray fought four more times. He fought

1222
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:38,320
two middleweight fights, the third draw, the third fight which

1223
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,760
was a draw against Hearns, the fight we shall not

1224
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,159
speak of, the horrible shit show. Third fight against Duran.

1225
00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:45,199
Then he tried to make one fifty for he got

1226
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,639
knocked out by Terry Norris, had the long layoff and

1227
00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:51,400
then came back also as a middleweight and lost to Camacho.

1228
00:54:51,679 --> 00:54:54,920
But the lawn fight, remember Donnie knocked Sugar Ray Leonard

1229
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,000
down in the fourth round of the fight, and Ray

1230
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,199
going into that fateful ninth round, this is a close

1231
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,159
fight on the cards. I just looked them up while

1232
00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:04,920
you were talking. Sugar Ray Leonard was leading seventy seven,

1233
00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:07,360
seventy four, seventy seven to seventy five, and one of

1234
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,199
the judges had Donnie in the line up seventy six

1235
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,960
to seventy five. So going into round number nine, this

1236
00:55:12,039 --> 00:55:15,239
fight is still on the table. And like I said,

1237
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,880
Osray has done, had done throughout his career, had a

1238
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,719
flare for the dramatic, and he just ruined don Lulan

1239
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,519
in that last round before he stopped him. Just an

1240
00:55:24,519 --> 00:55:27,800
absolutely tremendous knockout. I mean it might. I'm not going

1241
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,199
to say it's the knockout of Sugar Ray Leonard's entire career,

1242
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,280
but it was a pretty because of the stakes, because

1243
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:34,840
he'd been off for a while, because he was moving

1244
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:36,800
up yet again in Wait. It was a big deal

1245
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,639
at Caesar's Palace. It's a you know, the quintessential, like,

1246
00:55:40,039 --> 00:55:42,199
you know, big fight setting for him to go in

1247
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:43,880
there in a fight where he'd been knocked down, a

1248
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:48,440
fight where he was trying to make some history by

1249
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,960
winning the two belts, whatever you may think about about

1250
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,000
that situation, and to end it the way he did

1251
00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:57,840
was very unforgettable. I mean, just just an amazing performance.

1252
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:58,239
Once again.

1253
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,679
Speaker 2: One other footnote from this. He had split leading up

1254
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,079
to this fight from Angelo Dundee and I remember I

1255
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,599
remember very well, obviously still this day, being angry because

1256
00:56:08,679 --> 00:56:09,440
that was the team.

1257
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,679
Speaker 1: I mean, the the Angie Dundee that's in his ear.

1258
00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:15,199
Speaker 2: Saying you're blowing it, Son, You're blowing it, and is

1259
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,880
in his ear telling him to go get Thomas. Hearns,

1260
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,480
the Angie Dundee who had been with Muhammad Ali. How

1261
00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:23,440
did we not work this out over money?

1262
00:56:23,519 --> 00:56:25,039
Speaker 3: Which was anny, That's what happens.

1263
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, but I mean come on the team,

1264
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,440
the Superpowers and Sugar Ray Leonard.

1265
00:56:34,599 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 3: With their trainers. And so Angelo was still pissed off

1266
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,199
because he got he felt that he was given like

1267
00:56:41,079 --> 00:56:44,000
barely any money relevant. Angelo was old school, you know,

1268
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:45,440
he was you know, you don't get a fee, you

1269
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:50,480
get a percentage. And Ray, in Angie's mind, dramatically underpaid

1270
00:56:50,519 --> 00:56:52,559
him for the Haglar fight where Ray made crazy money.

1271
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,559
And then when they went to go do this Donny

1272
00:56:54,639 --> 00:56:56,880
Lallan fight. They were ticked off about what they were

1273
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:58,840
getting paid in Uh you know, He's gonna get like

1274
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,920
one percent of the person and Angie was like no.

1275
00:57:01,519 --> 00:57:02,840
And at the end of the day, they did not

1276
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,480
work together on that fight, and so he had other

1277
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:08,000
guys in the corner. He had, you know, and guys

1278
00:57:08,039 --> 00:57:09,840
who was who are familiar with Ray Janks more than

1279
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,639
Dave Jacobs, Peppy Karrah who had worked with him. They

1280
00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:15,079
were his quarter that night. But Angelo, uh you know,

1281
00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:16,079
was obviously the well known.

1282
00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 2: Let the record reflect after this Lalan fight and after

1283
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,480
all of that that, Ray Leonard never looked like Ray

1284
00:57:21,559 --> 00:57:24,199
Leonard again virtually after that without being and you could

1285
00:57:24,239 --> 00:57:26,840
say stuff about age and you know, Wade and whatever,

1286
00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:30,599
but he wasn't the same sugar Ray Leonard ever again

1287
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,119
without Angelo Dundee.

1288
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:34,159
Speaker 1: I think they needed to be together.

1289
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,599
Speaker 3: And I don't disagree with that, but I don't think

1290
00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:37,519
that I don't think that he didn't look good against

1291
00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:40,320
Hearns in the third fight or Duran, which he won

1292
00:57:40,519 --> 00:57:43,639
by earns Hears the second I mean Turns second fight,

1293
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,559
Duran third fight, which were the next two fights after

1294
00:57:46,679 --> 00:57:50,880
this Laalon fight. You know that was whoever the trainer was.

1295
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,159
I mean, at that point, you know, Ray's not going

1296
00:57:53,239 --> 00:57:55,039
to be taught new tricks. I mean he was old

1297
00:57:55,079 --> 00:57:56,440
and he was kind of used up at that point,

1298
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,719
and it just so happened that Duran was much more

1299
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:00,960
used up then Ray was.

1300
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: And the least was just about it. It was the

1301
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,280
least used up of the two of them for that night.

1302
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:09,039
Speaker 2: And we've often talked about Hearns beat him in the rematch,

1303
00:58:09,159 --> 00:58:11,039
he just didn't get the decision. He got two knockdowns

1304
00:58:11,079 --> 00:58:11,519
and still didn't.

1305
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,599
Speaker 3: I just loved the Laalan knockout. I love the knockout

1306
00:58:14,639 --> 00:58:14,840
it was.

1307
00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 2: I mean, he was exhausted, he was hurt, and I

1308
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,239
was a bit surprised that after he got up it

1309
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,840
was Richard Steel, right that let the fight continue to

1310
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,880
go on and he got splatted along the ropes by

1311
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,719
Sugar Ray Leonard And you're right, Signature.

1312
00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:31,039
Speaker 3: It's funny you mentioned that Steele, who at the time

1313
00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:33,119
was like the go to ref in Vegas like we see,

1314
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,199
you know for many years with guys like Kenny Baylis

1315
00:58:35,239 --> 00:58:37,440
and Tony Weeks, and now we've got Tom Taylor and

1316
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:38,039
a couple.

1317
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,119
Speaker 2: Of guys for the present day again, jen z Ers

1318
00:58:40,119 --> 00:58:42,119
that thinks, as I often say, boxing began in two

1319
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:42,719
thousand and six.

1320
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: This is your Thomas Taylor that right now.

1321
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:50,519
Speaker 3: Interestingly, Richard worked the Hagler fight, Richard worked a Lalan fight,

1322
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,039
Richard did the Hearns rematch, and Richard did the third

1323
00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:56,519
Durant fight. He worked those four Mega uh Sugar Ray

1324
00:58:56,599 --> 00:58:59,840
Leonard fights in a row. He was the go to

1325
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:02,880
guy that tells you where he was on the totem pole,

1326
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,519
on the you know, in terms of boxing hierarchy of

1327
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:07,719
who's going to you know, get those assignments. He was

1328
00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:09,920
at that time. He was the best in the business.

1329
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,639
Speaker 1: You know what you've done. You've made me.

1330
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,559
Speaker 2: Now want to go back and watch this YouTube it up.

1331
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,239
I'm gonna go watch that knockout after we're done here.

1332
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,559
When we do these segetes six years ago.

1333
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,039
Speaker 3: When we do these segments, a lot of times like

1334
00:59:24,239 --> 00:59:26,239
I look the date up and I know what's up,

1335
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,119
but I don't actually go back necessary and watch them

1336
00:59:28,159 --> 00:59:30,079
before we talk about it. But Dn, you and I

1337
00:59:30,199 --> 00:59:32,079
have the conversation, I get all geared up and I'm like,

1338
00:59:32,119 --> 00:59:33,679
you know, Dan, well, and when this is over, yeah,

1339
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:34,880
I'm gonna I'm gonna hit up.

1340
00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:36,639
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the audience too.

1341
00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:41,039
Speaker 2: Go find the fight from November of nineteen eighty eight

1342
00:59:41,159 --> 00:59:41,719
thirty six.

1343
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,079
Speaker 3: You made a good point, so this is this is

1344
00:59:44,239 --> 00:59:46,880
the last great night of Sugar Ray Leonards. Yes, he

1345
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:51,559
fought four more times after this, but the draw should

1346
00:59:51,559 --> 00:59:53,880
have been a lost turns. The Duran fight was horrible,

1347
00:59:54,239 --> 00:59:55,280
and then the two losses.

1348
00:59:55,679 --> 00:59:58,519
Speaker 2: So this is the laws chectma right, the last great

1349
00:59:58,599 --> 01:00:00,480
night of Sugar Ray Leonards Caurreer, I agree with you,

1350
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:03,079
all right, speaking of greatness, and we mentioned the Monster

1351
01:00:03,199 --> 01:00:05,679
Naolia in a way. We're also now on the fifth

1352
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:10,519
anniversary already of his spectacular fight with Nonito don Air,

1353
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,599
another future Hall of Famer to unify the bantamweight titles.

1354
01:00:13,639 --> 01:00:18,239
That was November seven, twenty nineteen in Japan. And this

1355
01:00:18,639 --> 01:00:22,480
was a highly entertaining, high stakes when and it helped

1356
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:24,519
launch the Monster into being even.

1357
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: Even a bigger star. Obviously reminisce a little more.

1358
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,079
Speaker 3: Just an absolutely tremendous fight. One thing, first tip the

1359
01:00:30,119 --> 01:00:32,440
hat to Nono donairho was already considered even though he

1360
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,760
had a belt going into the fight, was certainly you know,

1361
01:00:35,199 --> 01:00:38,119
in the twilight of his career, and he gave He

1362
01:00:38,159 --> 01:00:40,239
gave Noi in Away by far and away Aiman to

1363
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:41,840
this day, it's the hardest fight that Inn a Way

1364
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,280
ever had. He broke his his his I think he

1365
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,039
broke his orbit Bony. Yes, he slusted him up. He

1366
01:00:47,159 --> 01:00:49,280
heard him a couple of times. And even though Donair

1367
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:50,840
did not win the fight, and it's not even like

1368
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,840
you could say it was controversial. You know, in a

1369
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,159
way was the rightful decision winner of this fight. But

1370
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,800
Noi in Away was in a fight that night that

1371
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,119
he'll never forget because, by far, this was the toughest

1372
01:01:02,119 --> 01:01:04,119
fight he ever had. And you know what it's It

1373
01:01:04,239 --> 01:01:06,199
was against a guy that's gonna, like in a way,

1374
01:01:06,239 --> 01:01:09,360
going to be in the Hall of Fame someday. Everybody

1375
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,559
picked it as the twenty nineteen fight of the year.

1376
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:14,320
It was the fight of the Year by the boxing writers.

1377
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:15,960
It was the fight of the Year by the Ring magazine.

1378
01:01:16,239 --> 01:01:18,119
I picked it as the fight of the year for ESPN.

1379
01:01:18,519 --> 01:01:20,400
I mean pretty much anybody that was picking fights of

1380
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:21,559
the year, this was the fight of the year. It's

1381
01:01:21,559 --> 01:01:23,880
just an awesome fight. Not only was it to unify

1382
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,079
two of the titles in the bandamweight division, but it

1383
01:01:27,199 --> 01:01:29,920
was also the Ring Magazine title was on the line,

1384
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:33,519
which is emblematic usually of the lineal title, and it

1385
01:01:33,639 --> 01:01:36,280
was highly competitive. Don Air did get knocked down in

1386
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,119
the eleventh round on a body shot, and we know

1387
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,880
that Noise in a way the monsters. I think you

1388
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,480
can make a really good, strong argument to these the

1389
01:01:43,519 --> 01:01:47,320
best body puncher curly in the sport of boxing. But

1390
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:52,039
a very dramatic, very action packed fight between you know,

1391
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,599
the younger Hall of Fame to the Hall of Famer

1392
01:01:54,679 --> 01:01:56,239
to be and the older Hall of Famer to be

1393
01:01:56,599 --> 01:01:59,320
and it was really app I mean Donair. This was

1394
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,639
also this was part of the World Boxing Super Series

1395
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,199
when they were they were doing the tournament, so that

1396
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,840
that that the fact that no Donair went into the

1397
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,880
tournament obviously was good for his career. He had he

1398
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,519
had been able to beat some good guys going into

1399
01:02:11,559 --> 01:02:14,880
this fight. He had beaten Emmanuel Rodriguez and UH and

1400
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,599
Jan Carlos Paiano, not big name but guys that had

1401
01:02:17,639 --> 01:02:21,039
had belts UH and he just looked absolutely spectacular. But

1402
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:23,800
I think that this victory, doing it on that stage,

1403
01:02:24,159 --> 01:02:26,239
being able to unify titles, winning the final and the

1404
01:02:26,239 --> 01:02:30,519
big trophy along with the belts that he unified against

1405
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,400
a great opponent in Donair. Uh it really it took

1406
01:02:34,719 --> 01:02:37,920
in a ways popularity not only in Japan but around

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boxing and the rest of the world to another level

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that is even growing, you know. Uh, you know subsequent

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to that, where he's now gone up and become the

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undisputed champion of Dana White. After that, then moved up

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and became the undisputed champion in the junior featherweight division.

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Now everybody thinks he's one of the top pound for

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pound guys in boxing. And you know, and there was

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not just a couple of fights, three fights or so

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after this, maybe he was spourt fights after this. He

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did have a rematch with Dona Air. I was just

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what he had in that first fight, about how close

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and how hard hitting and how much punishment they both took.

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Uh he dusted Don't Air in two rounds and just

1420
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didn't make a look how.

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Speaker 2: Good Donair had to be in that first fight, the

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one that we're talking about now, the anniversary fight, to

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have pushed him to have fractured his eye orbital twelve

1424
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round decision, I tell you.

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Speaker 1: And then and then the and then the rematches a destruction.

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So I tells you how I would have loved.

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Speaker 3: To see these two guys fight when they were both

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in their prime, because in a way it was in

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his prime and as great as Donair was, you know,

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I don't think anybody would say he was in his

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prime at that point, but the prime Donair might have

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been in a way on that given night. Uh, I

1433
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mean I would rank in a way probably his accomplishments

1434
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,239
are maybe greater than a Donair overall, but it was

1435
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a spectacular fight when they were not both in their prime.

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If they were, oh my goodness. But it was a

1437
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great It was a great fight, a classic fight, a

1438
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,800
great win. If you look at in a way's record

1439
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right now, He's been a lot of quality guys in

1440
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various weight classes, but that to me is still his

1441
01:04:00,719 --> 01:04:02,039
biggest and best win so far.

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Speaker 1: Love it, great stuff here, Jam packed preview. Again.

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Speaker 2: I keep saying I have said it several times. Friday Night,

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Keishawn Davis main event. As we put the podcast to bed,

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we think, we hope every indication is they are still

1446
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,679
fighting with the vastly overweight Gustavo Limos.

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Speaker 1: Again, We'll have further.

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01:04:23,519 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 2: On this on the bet Us Boxing Show at one

1449
01:04:25,519 --> 01:04:27,440
Eastern time when we handicap it. That's a Friday night

1450
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,960
top ranked card Norfolk, Virginia with him headlining. Then Saturday

1451
01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:36,159
Night Jaron Boots Innis title main event, undercard co feature

1452
01:04:36,199 --> 01:04:38,440
main event for Jesse Bam Rodriguez. We gave you some

1453
01:04:38,639 --> 01:04:40,719
insight on that well, handicap those fights on the bet

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01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,400
US Show. You heard from Iron Mike, Mike Tyson. You

1455
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,079
got news in nostalgia. Dan, I'm ready for the weekend.

1456
01:04:46,119 --> 01:04:47,000
I'm ready to go watch the.

1457
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:49,239
Speaker 1: Letard Lalan fight. After I make dinner. I want to

1458
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go watch the end of the Letard Lalan fight probably tonight.

1459
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Speaker 2: And I'm gonna be ready for you and you're gonna

1460
01:04:54,519 --> 01:04:56,559
be ready for me on the bet Us Boxing Show tomorrow.

1461
01:04:56,599 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: But good stuff, good night tonight on the preview.

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Speaker 3: That sounds good. I'm looking forward to it.

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Speaker 2: All right, good stuff again. Follow subscribe on this feed.

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Whatever happens a fight, Freaks Unite, recap off the weekend.

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We're always here at preview and going into the weekend,

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we recap. We do our best all the way through

1467
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the holidays. Here, We're going to do our best. We

1468
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do previews and recaps. For now, we are good for Dan,

1469
01:05:16,719 --> 01:05:20,119
rayphiel On, TJ. Reeves, enjoyed the fights. We'll see you

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Friday one Eastern time on the bet Us TV Boxing show.

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And you've been part of the Big Fight Weekend preview