WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.359 If a man today were to say that if he wants. 2 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:04.360 A girlfriend that can cook or clean, you might as 3 00:00:04.360 --> 00:00:05.440 well be screaming me inward. 4 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:12.199 Okay, well you sound like a democrat. I'm not retarded. 5 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:18.719 Well whiskey, come and take my pain, the honeys, my ry, 6 00:00:19.160 --> 00:00:20.480 oh whiskey. 7 00:00:21.359 --> 00:00:23.879 Why think alone when you can drink it all in. 8 00:00:23.879 --> 00:00:28.839 With Ricochet's three whiskey Happy Hour, join your bartenders Steve Heyward, 9 00:00:29.000 --> 00:00:37.320 John U and the International Woman of Mystery Lucretia, where. 10 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:39.240 They slapped it up and David ain't too. 11 00:00:39.320 --> 00:00:42.880 Easy on the should tap got to give me and 12 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:43.880 let that whiskey. 13 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:46.679 Well, boy, I sure learned my lesson to try and 14 00:00:46.679 --> 00:00:50.640 do a podcast without real producers, didn't I? 15 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:53.280 I don't know. John, and I managed without you as 16 00:00:53.320 --> 00:00:56.359 a producer just because we were a little crazy. 17 00:00:57.439 --> 00:01:01.039 Well, yes, I preserve some of john little one liners there. 18 00:01:01.079 --> 00:01:04.840 Otherwise I am in fact invoking me as I put 19 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:07.400 it in a substack. Note what Star Trek did with 20 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:11.840 their original pilot that NBC rejected because it was too cerebral, 21 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:14.439 and instead of junking it, they recut it and wrapped 22 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:16.200 a whole new story around it. So we're going to 23 00:01:16.239 --> 00:01:18.079 do that listeners, okay. 24 00:01:17.799 --> 00:01:20.400 Because we're too cerebral for you, Steve, is that what 25 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:20.920 you're saying? 26 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:23.879 No, no, no, Maybe you didn't see the note. 27 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:28.040 But I did see the note. I saw the undisciplined apart. 28 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:30.560 But I prefer to think that that's that John and 29 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:32.680 I were just a little too highbrow for you and 30 00:01:32.719 --> 00:01:33.640 you can't keep up. 31 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:37.879 So okay, yes, well, well, John reveled way too much 32 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:40.560 in avoiding my mention of a certain statute. But I 33 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:44.319 also in the frame of mind of the director in 34 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:47.319 the mel Brooks movie, the producers who we read the script, 35 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:50.040 and he says, all that whole third act has got 36 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:54.680 to go. The Germans are losing the war. So I've 37 00:01:54.719 --> 00:01:56.879 shorten a few things to that, but I moved everything around. 38 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:00.000 And so first of all, I do want to refer 39 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:03.239 to the little teaser cold open before our theme song. 40 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:06.840 You know what, John especially likes to rib me for 41 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:10.520 being obsessed with Sidney Sweeney. But she's back in the news, 42 00:02:11.199 --> 00:02:13.680 so you know, on her HBO show, as you heard, 43 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:17.479 if you listen from the beginning, she someone says, are 44 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:21.879 you a Democrat? And she says, I'm not retarded? Looking 45 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:23.120 right now? 46 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:24.000 The funny thing is. 47 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:29.280 The social media reaction has been utterly predictable. All these 48 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:32.479 leftists are saying, oh, it's terrible. She would say that, 49 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:35.919 you know, Republicans say retarded, but Democrats don't. And of 50 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:38.759 course the obvious answer is you want to supply. 51 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:41.919 They are exactly Thank you. 52 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:44.960 I thought you'd say that, but I did see a squire, 53 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:47.639 but I didn't chase after it. But apparently Candice Owens 54 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:49.400 and Megan Kelly are down on her. 55 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:51.879 I'm not quite sure why. 56 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:57.039 I think it's because she's supposedly allegedly has come out 57 00:02:57.080 --> 00:03:00.400 saying she likes Trump, she's for the Iran war against 58 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:03.719 anti Semitism, and so guess what she's now taking sides 59 00:03:03.759 --> 00:03:09.919 beyond just wearing good jeans. Okay, sorry, all right, enough 60 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:12.759 of that mirth though, I think for at least a 61 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:16.840 couple minutes, so you guys didn't do the order that 62 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:19.199 I kind of had mine. But guess what, it's a 63 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:21.000 simple matter to rearrange them. 64 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:22.479 So, you know. 65 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:26.879 I think that the story on the gerrymanderin cases is fascinating, 66 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:28.520 not so much for the law of it, which you 67 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:32.080 guys talked about, but I think it is interesting because 68 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:35.919 of the reaction to it. So let me just cut 69 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:38.680 back in here to your guys discussion and we will 70 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:40.520 pick it up on the other side. 71 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:44.159 Okay, I do want to ask you what you think 72 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:49.400 about all of these crazy court cases about redistricting. We 73 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:52.039 talked about it last time, so most of our listeners 74 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:55.520 heard the basic thing. But since we talked last time, 75 00:03:56.039 --> 00:03:58.639 we had we see Tennessee. Let me get it right, 76 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:03.360 Tennessee and Louisiana. Now District Tennessee is being sued by 77 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:08.800 the na A c P arguing that the Memphis redistricting 78 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:14.400 is in and out of itself racially discriminatory. Right. I 79 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:18.279 don't know where where they'll get with that. The Virginia 80 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:22.920 Uh did you follow any of that Virginia suit to 81 00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:24.240 the United States Supreme Court? 82 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:27.839 Oh? Yeah, just got thrown out today just while our podcast. 83 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:31.040 Oh that was obvious that would happen. Yeah, that was 84 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:34.240 There was no federal issue. It's all just a question 85 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:39.120 of Virginia is it's the question of Virginia constitutional amendment procedure. 86 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:44.759 Right, and John unplugged. 87 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:52.000 That our complete election state in the country would be 88 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:54.600 fit for decision by the Supreme Court. 89 00:04:54.759 --> 00:04:59.680 Yeah, yeah, crazy, It was crazy, but we also have 90 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:03.920 some I mean, the Democrats have decided to go crazy 91 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:08.560 on this whole thing. Okay, I'm not going to be 92 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:13.040 my usual dismissive self about everybody in the Democratic Party, 93 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:17.519 but they seem you know, Kamala Kamalama ding Dong came 94 00:05:17.560 --> 00:05:21.839 out today said there are no bad ideas. And yeah, 95 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:23.759 she came out and said, there's no bad ideas. There's 96 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:27.720 no reason why we shouldn't pack the court, why we 97 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:32.600 shouldn't try everything we can to get around this silly 98 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:36.639 Supreme Court decision about you know, not discriminating on the 99 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:39.759 basis of race and districting. She just went on and 100 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:42.040 on and on what you know, the all of the 101 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:45.680 things that the left that lost the left the election 102 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:50.079 in twenty twenty four she's doubling down on and so 103 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:52.759 are lots of leftists. I mean, in Virginia they were 104 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:54.600 going to pack the Supreme Court. Then they were going 105 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:58.199 to just abolish the whole thing. They did try the 106 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:01.920 Supreme Court, you know, to the US Supreme Court. Is 107 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:04.720 it really an existential crisis for the Democrats? Do you 108 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:06.839 think John's so? 109 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:11.199 One thing is I listened to your guys Pod episode 110 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:14.160 where you talked about it and I think you're quite 111 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:19.240 right about the effects of the decisions. That this is 112 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:21.839 not going to produce I think a huge change in 113 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:25.399 the midterms, but there will be maybe six to eight 114 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:29.480 extra seats that will be added, could be added by 115 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:33.480 states that thought they were thought they were acquired by 116 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:38.720 the Voting Rights Act to add majority minority districts that 117 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:41.519 they're called, and now that they don't have to under Klay, 118 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:44.079 they can go back and draw the districts they wanted to. 119 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:48.199 And there's nothing wrong with eliminating, for example, a Democratic 120 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:52.199 seat in Tennessee that was sat in Memphis if you 121 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:55.120 just want to create the maximum number of Republican states. 122 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:58.959 And one thing that Kalay said is that it's now 123 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:02.959 the burden is on the plaintiffs to show that what 124 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:06.680 the legislature is doing really isn't just about maximizing partisan 125 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:09.759 advantage or protecting incumbents or all the many reasons that 126 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:12.639 states usually engage in redistricting. 127 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:14.680 That's one, you know. 128 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:16.560 The second thing I think you guys are both right 129 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:19.240 was the key relative impact. The real importance of it 130 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:24.000 will come after the twenty thirty census, when a lot 131 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:24.720 of seats. 132 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:25.240 Are going to shift. 133 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:28.959 I think from the liberal old states like California, in 134 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:30.720 Oork and ILLINOI and they're going to move to the 135 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:35.240 sun Belt and southern states. That plus Klay could lead 136 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:40.079 to a major shift in House of Representative seats in 137 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:42.959 the South, and then they'll be districted to maximis. Because 138 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:44.920 I think once you've started this, Lucash, I don't know 139 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:48.000 what you think, but I think once Trump said let's 140 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:49.480 go ahead and do this, and a number of states 141 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:51.680 did it, I don't think there's any going back. I mean, 142 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:54.560 what would be the incentive for a state to say, oh, 143 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:56.120 we're not going to do that. I mean, look at 144 00:07:56.120 --> 00:07:59.079 New England, right, New England has basically reached it. All 145 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:02.160 the states of New Ly have basically I think, redistricted 146 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:05.279 all but one Republican seat out of existence in the 147 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:09.399 entire region. And they've never gone back. This has been 148 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:11.839 going on for years up in New England and they've 149 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:15.600 never gone back, even though no other states retaliated against 150 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:17.839 them for this, and the way you're seeing states do 151 00:08:17.959 --> 00:08:21.199 it now, so I don't see why we'd ever go 152 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:24.600 back to the world before. But lastly, I don't see 153 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:26.839 what's so bad about that. I mean, really, what I 154 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:29.920 don't really understand why it's so bad for states not 155 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:35.159 to because this makes right state legislative elections important. People 156 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:37.279 should care about who they elect to the state house 157 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:40.399 because they're the ones drawing the districts, and so to 158 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:42.679 me it seems like a I mean, this is just 159 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:45.919 a I don't know, a consequence of democratic elections. I 160 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:49.279 don't see what's so bad about jerrymanders. I see lots 161 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:52.480 of people complaining about jerry manning. It's so terrible for democracy. 162 00:08:53.240 --> 00:08:56.240 I don't think it is a federal system where you 163 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:58.360 have fifty different states and they're allowed to draw the 164 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:00.720 districts as Maybe it would be a bad thing if 165 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:04.840 you had one single gigantic districting system for the entire 166 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:08.159 country and you could redistrict a cole you know, whole 167 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:10.840 party out nationwide, but that's not the case in our 168 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:13.840 federal system. So real it is so bad about jerrymandering. 169 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:16.679 I don't get it. Let me put all play Devil's advocate, 170 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:19.440 and I don't. When I say that, I mean it sincerely. 171 00:09:19.480 --> 00:09:23.039 I don't know that I fully believe this, But I 172 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:25.360 even looked a little bit of skance at the whole 173 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:29.240 idea of Trump asking Texas to redistrict in a in 174 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:32.200 the middle until I started paying a little more attention 175 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:34.679 to what, like you talk about what the Democrats had 176 00:09:34.720 --> 00:09:38.559 actually really done with districting in the past without ever 177 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:42.159 being countered in any way to speak of by the Republicans. 178 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:47.679 But I can remember being, you know, in an American 179 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:50.879 government class talking to my students and saying that the problem, 180 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:53.639 for instance, in California is not so much that the 181 00:09:53.720 --> 00:09:57.480 voters are choosing their representatives, it's that their representatives are 182 00:09:57.519 --> 00:10:02.320 choosing the voters. Right, You've heard that, that old cliche. Yeah. 183 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:05.720 At what point, though, do we stop believing that you 184 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:11.519 can buy demographic information and other pieces of information about 185 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:15.480 voters determine how they're going to vote. When will they say, 186 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:17.360 for instance, and this is going to be a question, 187 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:21.039 I promise, when will voters look at this whole situation say, 188 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:22.879 you know what, I don't really like that you did this, 189 00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:25.320 and now I'm going to vote for the other party 190 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:27.919 they talked about that happened in Virginia if the ten 191 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:31.639 to one thing had gone through, So voters, do voters 192 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:33.840 still have a say? Is what it comes down to. 193 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:37.639 Could they still elect a Democrat in out of one 194 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:41.480 of those redistricted Memphis areas. 195 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:45.720 Do you think, Yeah, what if a party said, we're 196 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:48.639 the clean government party and we can't paign on getting 197 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:51.799 rid of jerrymanders, and we can't paign on having a 198 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:54.559 redistricting committ right, and you or the people, as they 199 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:58.440 did in California once upon a time, or in Virginia, 200 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:02.679 vote for a a nonpartisan redistricting commission, or New York 201 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:06.759 and then right then you have these people come in 202 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:09.120 and say, it's actually interesting, it's mostly in blue states 203 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:11.639 who write the blue states who once said we wanted 204 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:13.360 to have these in the first place, but now we 205 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:15.600 don't like the results, so we're going to get rid 206 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:18.679 of them for one time only, or two elections only, 207 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:22.879 like the Virginia override. But that's something that you can't 208 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:26.759 paign on. First state legislative elections. Right, you could say 209 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:31.879 the people are electing parties to control the state houses 210 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:36.960 in part because of their control. I think about it also. 211 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:39.879 You know, it's interesting I was thinking about this, Linda. Look, Critia, 212 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:42.639 I don't know what you think, but this must have 213 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:45.960 been the way it was before the seventeenth Amendment, right 214 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:49.559 before right when Lincoln is running for Senate. Lincoln is 215 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:53.039 actually asking people to elect certain members to the Illinois 216 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:54.799 State House because they were the ones who would pick, 217 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:55.639 would pick. 218 00:11:56.679 --> 00:12:05.519 Yeah, all right, we're back. And I'll just add this, 219 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:09.919 Aside from the legal questions about it and the long 220 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:14.440 politics of jerrymandering, I've noticed that the reaction to it 221 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:17.000 is significant, I think in two ways. One, you had 222 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:19.519 a bunch of people, including I think David French at 223 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:22.600 the New York Times, but who cares having their knickers 224 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:26.279 in a twist about why didn't the Virginia Supreme Court 225 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:30.600 intervene before the vote to save the taxpayers the cost 226 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:32.600 of an election, and this and this and this, and 227 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:35.519 of course the simple answer is the law said they couldn't, 228 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:39.399 And actually, appellate courts don't rule on prospective things unless 229 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:42.000 there's an error in say the language or the law 230 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:45.799 that's drafted in the initiative. That's happened occasionally. Lots of 231 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:49.080 Supreme courts have struck down initiatives state supreme courts around 232 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:51.960 the country after they've passed, So there's nothing unusual about that. 233 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:56.279 But then the shocking reaction of the Democrats in Virginia, 234 00:12:56.559 --> 00:12:59.519 let's fire the whole Supreme Court. I mean, forget court packing. 235 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:03.879 Let's reduce the retirement age to fifty four so they 236 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:06.919 all have to leave and reappoint new people. I mean, 237 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:10.879 this has been nan Republic stuff. You know, packing the 238 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:15.080 Supreme Court is constitutional, right, this is Congress can change 239 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:16.360 the number, so that's true. 240 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:21.120 But presumably so can the state of Virginia legislature or 241 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:25.720 change the constitution. You know, it's likely a different process 242 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:29.200 because there are very few states that actually have the 243 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:32.840 protections for the Supreme Court that the United States does. 244 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:34.240 But anyway, go ahead. I'm sorry. 245 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:37.039 Well, now you add one more layer onto this, which 246 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:41.360 is the Voting Rights Act case. You have the Democrats 247 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:45.279 in hystery about it with the Democratic House leader what 248 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:48.399 Hakeem Jeffrey's saying, this is an illegitimate court that's been 249 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:50.720 a refrain for a while now, an illegitimate court. 250 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:53.440 Who was it who said? 251 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:58.639 Somebody tweeted out some Democrat packed the court. Now I thought, okay, 252 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:02.679 let's give from five more justices. I mean, they're not 253 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:05.440 even thinking this through at all. But the point is 254 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:08.039 is that I am now I'm going to recant something 255 00:14:08.039 --> 00:14:10.799 that I think I said in some episode many months 256 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:15.039 ago that well, I think we are both reflecting that 257 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:20.559 wonder about getting rid of the filibuster. And I still 258 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:23.159 don't like the idea, But now I am convinced that 259 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:26.039 the Democrats, if they get the chance, they will abolish it. 260 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:28.679 They will pack the court, they will admit DC and 261 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:29.639 Puerto Rico. 262 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:32.559 They will elect college or try. 263 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:35.120 Or abolish it correct one of those things. 264 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:39.440 And well, they're already, They're already they do have statutory statewide, 265 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:44.080 statutory methods whereby they're going to undermine the electoral college. 266 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:45.759 And yes, I do think they will do that, you know, 267 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:49.159 the idea that the elector all electoral college votes will 268 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:52.679 go to the popular vote winner, and that sort of thing. 269 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:57.039 I need to think sometime sometimes, I need to think 270 00:14:57.159 --> 00:15:00.720 through what the actual practical ramification as that are, because 271 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:03.720 I'm guessing it wouldn't turn out the way they expect 272 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:05.399 it to. You know, I had to. I was going 273 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:08.120 to send you something and I just thought busy. I apologize, 274 00:15:08.159 --> 00:15:11.200 But who was it in California that now wants to 275 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:15.000 change your jungle primary of course, back to you know, 276 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:18.799 a party based system, because hey, this isn't working out 277 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:20.679 what way the way we thought it would? You know, 278 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:23.960 that we would have one hundred percent full time forever. 279 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:27.799 Uh one party advantage with this jungle primary. 280 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:32.519 Yeah so typical, right, yeah, I mean so as you know, 281 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:35.080 our democracy trademark is actually literally true. 282 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:36.360 Our democracy means we. 283 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:39.879 Win, right, we will if if we're not getting our way, 284 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:44.200 we changed the rules. But here's the This gets back 285 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:46.919 to an even older conversation we had along with John 286 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:49.039 maybe three years ago now maybe more. 287 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:51.679 We were speculating about, you know, could there really be 288 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:52.639 another civil war? 289 00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:55.200 And you know we we you and I tangled a 290 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:57.320 bit about whether the Spanish Civil War is a model 291 00:15:57.399 --> 00:16:02.840 or not. I am proposing, not highly facetiously, what I'm calling. 292 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:05.919 You'll see why it's half facetious. I want to propose 293 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:11.120 the Union of Concerned Political Scientists doomsday clock, and I'm 294 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:13.080 gonna I'm gonna move the clock up to four minutes 295 00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:16.000 to midnight. Right, people, remember the the action was the 296 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:18.240 bullt of the Atomic Scientists, and the Union of Concerned 297 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:21.120 Scientist was even worse. But the point is is they 298 00:16:21.159 --> 00:16:24.360 made lots of publicity for decades with their doomsday clock, 299 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:25.480 and it would go up a minute. 300 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:27.799 We're a minute, We're a minute, We're a minute. 301 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:27.960 That's right. 302 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:32.120 Yeah, but you know if oh so, let me add 303 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:33.759 one more data point and then we'll go on to 304 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:34.960 the next legal question. 305 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:36.440 Uh. 306 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:40.840 We've essentially seeing the we mentioned this before a week 307 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:42.960 or two ago. We've seen the mayor of New York 308 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:47.120 City essentially threaten Ken Griffith, you know, one of the 309 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:50.399 the great financial titans of our time, by standing in 310 00:16:50.399 --> 00:16:53.360 front of his apartment around the corner from where that 311 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:57.679 Luigi what's his name guy shot the seat Mangioni and 312 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:00.720 became called hero for the Left. I guess there's even 313 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:03.840 a stage play about him, already celebrating him typical. 314 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:07.200 But we've seen two things. 315 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:09.680 You see, by the way, from a female point of view, 316 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:13.000 he's not that cute. He's a soy boy. Go ahead, 317 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:16.160 all those women who want to marry him or do 318 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:17.920 something with him anyway. 319 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:20.000 Well, you know there's there's always that cohort of women 320 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:23.160 who write love letters to like Charles Manson in prison, right. 321 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:26.160 I mean, this is not it's ridiculous. But you know 322 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:28.279 who wanted to have a date with Jeffrey Dahmer. 323 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:32.640 I share and he wanted to eat them with dates? 324 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:37.279 Well, okay, I was gonna say he wanted to share 325 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:38.680 open face sandwiches with him. 326 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:48.799 I know that's worse there. Sorry, so you'll set. 327 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:51.160 Me, okay, I sent you a text. 328 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:54.839 Well, here's the serious point. You have these polls showing 329 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:59.079 a parality of Democrats thinking the Butler attempt on Trump 330 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:02.119 and the White House core respondesced and attempt were faked, 331 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:05.400 which is Looney Tunes territory. But then you also have 332 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:09.519 especially younger liberals and Democrats coming along like forty percent 333 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:14.920 saying violence is justified for political uh, for your political goals. 334 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:17.640 So if it comes to pass that you have always 335 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:19.799 reformed and I agree with you, probably wouldn't work out 336 00:18:19.839 --> 00:18:23.640 the way the Democrats think. Uh, then what happens after 337 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:26.799 that possibly bad stuff. And so that's why four minutes 338 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:29.480 to midnight is it is a gimmick. It's I want 339 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:32.039 to make fun of all those you know, Union of 340 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:33.119 Concerns scientists. 341 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:36.440 But it's not crazy to think about. 342 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:39.480 So let me just throw something a little And we 343 00:18:39.519 --> 00:18:40.839 didn't talk about this, but I'm want to throw it 344 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:43.000 at you anyway. You know, I'm the one who always 345 00:18:43.079 --> 00:18:49.000 complains about Republicans refusing to recognize the war that they're in. 346 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:51.960 And you know, wanting to be gentlemen, wanting to to 347 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:57.000 and wanting to stick with principles, wanting to defend institutions, 348 00:18:57.559 --> 00:19:01.759 and even being willing to lose because they're defending their 349 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:07.720 principles and their institutions. I wonder how much longer, you know, 350 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:14.039 the Republican Party can veer toward Mike Pence if the 351 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:18.920 Democrats continue to go down this road, which I do 352 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:21.680 think is it's becoming worse. You know, you're four minutes 353 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:24.519 to midnight, whatever you want to call it. I just 354 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:27.799 you have to wonder. I'm not saying civil war necessarily, 355 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:32.359 but Trump is popular in large part because he doesn't 356 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:34.880 care to play the game the way it's always been played, 357 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:37.680 which is they get to do whatever they want. John 358 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:40.240 brought up a really good point in this regard about 359 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:42.960 the jerrymandering that you know, come on, let's be real. 360 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:49.759 Democrats have jerrymandered both racially jerrymandered and politically jerrymandered, partisan 361 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:53.720 jerrymanderd for years. It's part of the reason why they're 362 00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:58.400 so desperate. There's nothing left for them to jerrymander. Steve right, right, 363 00:19:58.440 --> 00:20:02.559 I mean, and so Trump and I confess to being 364 00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:05.680 a little bit unnerved by Trump, you know, encouraging it 365 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:08.880 in Texas and didn't feel right right me of all people, 366 00:20:09.039 --> 00:20:12.279 but you know, John convinced me that this is what 367 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:14.400 we have to do. We don't have a choice. 368 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:17.279 Yeah, it's it's a rare day when Sean is more 369 00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:20.480 ferocious than you and I are. But all right, I'll 370 00:20:20.519 --> 00:20:23.000 just add this. You know, I think it's our friend 371 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:25.960 Tom Klingenstein, who's been writing for several years now, the 372 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:28.680 phrase that we're in a cold civil war, like the 373 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:31.079 Cold War is so cold and so that the question 374 00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:34.079 is when does it become a hot civil war for real? 375 00:20:35.319 --> 00:20:37.519 And I also I just add a plug Haret, And 376 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:39.200 you know I interviewed. 377 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:41.519 Noel Rothman on the Ricochet podcast, who's got just got 378 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:43.839 a brand new book out this week on violence of 379 00:20:43.880 --> 00:20:48.000 the left right. And so there's that. 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