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We 29 00:01:41.079 --> 00:01:43.920 are present on the web at where to Theroad Go 30 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:59.480 dot com. Now Here is your host, Soriah. 31 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:02.519 Welcome to this edition of Where Did the Road Go? 32 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:07.200 And this week I have joining me Danielle Drake, and yes, 33 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:10.240 your first time here, and you're going to be doing 34 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:15.400 something that is applies locally to this show in the 35 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:17.879 Ethica area. But you also have other stuff we're going 36 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:19.800 to talk about, but do you want to talk about 37 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:20.280 that first. 38 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:23.879 My name is daniel Drake and I'm a visual multi 39 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:28.560 media artist from Queens, New York. I was accepted to 40 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:33.360 the Constant Saltonstall Artists Foundation for an artist. 41 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:36.560 Residency in October this year. I will all of. 42 00:02:36.439 --> 00:02:40.840 My work generally is based off of unexplained phenomena, be 43 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:43.960 it my own or people that come and talk to 44 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:48.680 me or things that I agreed, and I will be 45 00:02:48.840 --> 00:02:52.120 doing a project that I pitched to them, making a 46 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:56.400 series of artwork based off of local unexplained folklore, be 47 00:02:56.520 --> 00:03:02.520 it contemporary experiencer prescription or I was at the History 48 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:06.240 Center in their archives for some of your local folklore. 49 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:09.240 And it's been really interesting so far, and I'm really 50 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:11.280 excited to get my handster. 51 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:15.439 And you have collected stories from local people, and you 52 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:18.039 did say Connecticut Hill has one of the highest amount 53 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:22.479 of stories, So that's that's not surprising to me because 54 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:25.639 the whole area is is just full of weird stuff, 55 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:27.840 but Connecticut Hill seems to be a focal point. 56 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:32.120 So I've found when you are collecting stories are speaking 57 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:36.680 to people, especially in like a certain area of you know, 58 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:40.240 a geographical area, you do get you know here in 59 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:43.039 their stories and then they kind of drop off. But 60 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:47.039 I've found for the Finger Lakes region, it's, uh, it 61 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:49.639 doesn't stop. It's a bit more prevalent than I'm used to. 62 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:52.280 Well, that's good, You've got plenty of stuff to work with. 63 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:55.039 Yes, yes, I do, and explain to. 64 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:57.199 People what this, what this is that you're going to 65 00:03:57.240 --> 00:03:59.080 be doing this residency sure. 66 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:03.199 So in our US residency is basically there's a set 67 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:06.879 amount of time that you can go to a physical 68 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:14.039 location and either collaborate with other artists, or work academically 69 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:15.280 with other artists. 70 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:17.439 Or just work on your own practice. 71 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:22.720 So when I applied to Saltonstall, I pitched this project 72 00:04:22.839 --> 00:04:25.439 and then I gave them, you know, examples of my 73 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:26.279 own work. 74 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:30.360 And thankfully, it seems that the tides are turning. 75 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:36.120 People want to see more artwork and media about unexplained phenomena. 76 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:38.279 It's it's in vogue right now. 77 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:42.560 It's yeah. Well, I think over the last like three decades, 78 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:45.720 may two and a half decades, it's become more and 79 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:49.879 more acceptable, initially from reality shows like ghost Hunters and 80 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:53.079 Ancient Aliens, and now because of like the whole disclosure movement. 81 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:55.439 As much as I'm not particularly a fan of it, 82 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:59.519 it definitely has made it more It's reduced the ridicule factor, 83 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:02.319 so people a little more willing to talk about things. Yes, 84 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:05.199 and how long have you been doing this type of thing? 85 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:11.360 I've been paranormally inclined for my whole life, That's what 86 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:15.160 I kind of call it. But I've been working in 87 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:19.839 this regard since around twenty thirteen, working professionally. 88 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:20.199 In an artist sense. 89 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:23.720 Okay, okay, and also give people your website right up 90 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:25.480 frontier so they can go check it out. 91 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:29.800 Sure it is Daniel Drake dot com Drake d r 92 00:05:29.879 --> 00:05:33.160 A I K. And I'm also art of d Drake 93 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:35.480 on most social media platforms. 94 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:37.639 Okay. Yeah, you have a link to I know, your 95 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:39.959 Instagram on the website, and I feel like there's a 96 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:44.519 couple others right Yeah. So as you've been collecting these stories, 97 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:47.199 do you find any commonalities in this area. 98 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:51.079 I've been getting a few triangle sidings, which I will 99 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:53.480 say are my favorite personally. 100 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:55.480 And a lot of orbs. 101 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:59.959 Orbs are kind of a common sighting that you see, 102 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:03.920 especially right now if we're looking at it kind of 103 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:08.079 on like a timeline of what types of craft sightings 104 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:11.800 you see. I think orbs are kind of the hot 105 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:16.000 shape right now. But so I got a lot of orbs, 106 00:06:16.519 --> 00:06:20.319 I've got some triangles. I've been talking to a few 107 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:25.839 sensitive people, so some people with mediumship qualities. There are 108 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:29.079 a few hauntings, but mostly historical. 109 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:30.920 That's really interesting. 110 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:36.800 I have been in contact with the local Ithaca historian 111 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:41.240 and she's given me a purported Haunted House. 112 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:42.839 So that's that's interesting. 113 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:45.839 Yeah, okay, yeah, I mean, like I said, the whole 114 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:48.360 Upstate area is just I mean, it's where Streamer had 115 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:53.079 his experiences. It's where Mormonism started. It's not what were 116 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:57.920 the sisters there in spirit that started spiritualism some some called. 117 00:06:57.800 --> 00:06:59.959 Some free love cults and the Oneida Silver Cult. 118 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:02.759 Right, Yeah, so it's I mean, there's so much stuff. 119 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:07.879 The Seth material was channeled here, and it's Ethica in particular. 120 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:12.040 There is a particular monastery there, and from what I understand, 121 00:07:12.079 --> 00:07:16.160 it's considered one of the most powerful spots on the planet. 122 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:19.199 And judging from the number of things I've experienced here, 123 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:21.959 I would say that's not surprising. 124 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:25.279 But I really appreciate talk with me about. 125 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:29.040 I also wonder how much of it is just how 126 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:31.959 the area formed, you know, like a geological makeup that 127 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:32.959 maybe adds to it. 128 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:38.120 What would you say you think adds to it specifically 129 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:40.920 like limestone or the glacial type. 130 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:45.160 Of potentially the glacial type of stuff, but also the 131 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:48.680 all the fault lines, you know, because they store electricity, 132 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:50.680 and I think a lot of this stuff has to 133 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:53.360 do with electricity in some way, shape or form. Just 134 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:55.959 like you know, you're saying orbs. Like my thing forever 135 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:57.959 has been like if someone sees a light in the house, 136 00:07:57.959 --> 00:07:59.480 they're like, oh, it's a ghost. They see it in 137 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:01.560 the sky like, oh, it's aliens. They see it in 138 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:04.160 the woods, they're like, oh, it's the fay, you know. 139 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:06.279 And it's like, but all of it's lights. Lights are 140 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:08.839 like one of the most common things you see in 141 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:12.639 all of these phenomena. And I mean that's it's one 142 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:16.199 of those things that when you take that and basically 143 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:19.800 poltergeist phenomena and you find it across the board. So 144 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:23.920 I think environmental stuff as well as cosmic stuff like 145 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:26.240 whether or not we're being hit with solar activity or 146 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:28.800 possibly you know, something from somewhere else in the galaxy 147 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:30.800 or you know somewhere else in the galaxy or whatever, 148 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.559 probably also has an effect of when this stuff happens. 149 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:36.559 I only recently realized a whole batch of my experiences 150 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:39.679 happened during some of the highest solar activity of the 151 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:40.559 twentieth century. 152 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:42.200 Oh, that's really interesting. 153 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:44.919 And I've noted it, but I didn't. I didn't really 154 00:08:44.919 --> 00:08:47.320 look into it. And then I looked into it, and 155 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:51.000 I'm like, oh, this was actually really significant solar activity. 156 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:54.360 So people will be able to come and see your artwork. 157 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:57.919 Yeah, So on October eighteenth. 158 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:01.159 We'll be having an open house and people can come 159 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:04.879 to the foundation unless we're moving it off site. I 160 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:08.519 don't think the venue is particularly clear it, but they'll 161 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:11.159 be able to see the work that I've done. I 162 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:15.519 will probably bring some older work too, and they'll be able. 163 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:16.159 To talk to me there. 164 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:19.080 How have people reacted in the past to the art 165 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:20.799 work you've made of their experiences? 166 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:26.080 Mostly good, okay, I for the most part, I've had 167 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:29.399 people reach out to me rather than me reaching out 168 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:29.759 to them. 169 00:09:29.879 --> 00:09:32.360 So this project and this foundation. 170 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:36.440 The foundation is actually NISKA funded, which is the New 171 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:40.840 York State Council for the Arts. So it's really nice 172 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:44.080 that I'm being given an opportunity in order to pivot 173 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:47.200 this kind of practice that I've been doing and kind 174 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:50.759 of open up in sort of a legitimate or more 175 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:55.000 legitimate way, rather than me just putting my artwork on 176 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:57.679 the Internet and having people reach out to me saying, 177 00:09:57.840 --> 00:10:00.240 you know that they've seen similar thing. 178 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:03.240 So generally good. 179 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:07.559 I generally get you know, decent and interested people speaking 180 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:11.159 with me. I have had some issues with folk, which 181 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:12.639 is I guess part of the course of. 182 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:18.360 Being you know, someone on the internet, so you know 183 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:20.919 there is there is always that in the back of 184 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:24.559 your mind. But for the most part, it's opened me 185 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:27.960 up to a community of people that is it's great. 186 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:30.679 Well, I mean specifically, like, if you've done art work 187 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:34.799 about someone's experience, what is the general reaction you get 188 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:36.279 from them when they see your art? 189 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:37.679 Oh, it's generally very good. 190 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:41.879 And you know, I don't I'm not extremely derivative either, 191 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:46.679 Like I will do say a craft or something that 192 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:49.039 somebody has seen, but you know, how many people have 193 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:50.240 also seen that craft? 194 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:53.159 But also how am I breaking it down in an. 195 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:57.080 Artistic sense where this is a symbol that people gravitate 196 00:10:57.159 --> 00:11:02.679 towards and then potentially see. Uh, you know, the physicality 197 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:06.639 of the experience is you know, left up to discussion. 198 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:11.200 So generally it has been good and it opens up 199 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:12.559 more conversations too. 200 00:11:12.919 --> 00:11:16.480 Yeah, and you've had experiences of your own and you've 201 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:17.960 you've done art on some of those. 202 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:19.480 Uh, yes, here and there. 203 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:24.240 I have definitely put in, uh silently, my own experiences 204 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:24.960 into my work. 205 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:28.039 Do you feel like that helps you like understand it? 206 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:31.639 Yeah, you know, I feel like I feel that if 207 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:36.879 I were coming at the topic from an outsider standpoint, 208 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:39.320 not that that's not legitimate or anything, but I think 209 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:43.240 people trust me more with their stories because I have 210 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:44.159 my own stories. 211 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:49.000 They they don't think I'm going to disregard them or scoff. 212 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:52.279 At them, right right, Yeah, So what kind of experiences 213 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:52.799 have you had? 214 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:56.600 Well, like I've said, come from a paranormally inclined family, 215 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:01.600 so my whole family has kind of had experiences throughout 216 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:06.960 my whole life. And uh so I've lived in uh, 217 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:10.679 pretty hot places and I've lived in places with no activity. 218 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:14.600 So I've had, you know, some physical. 219 00:12:14.279 --> 00:12:18.960 Movement of things I've had. I've had apparitions that I've seen. 220 00:12:19.799 --> 00:12:23.879 I've also had you know, your your your light sightings, 221 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:26.120 your shadow sightings. 222 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:29.639 Uh and yeah, a coorts. 223 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:33.200 I know you and I were talking about that, things 224 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:35.799 that go missing for no explanation whatsoever. 225 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:38.159 And it's not just because I'm forgetful. 226 00:12:38.919 --> 00:12:43.039 But uh, yeah, I've had I've had a strong gamut, 227 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:45.480 but I will say I've had no UFO activity. 228 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:48.759 The do you want to talk about the apports? Because 229 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:51.759 I know that was pretty interesting, sure, and. 230 00:12:51.720 --> 00:12:53.480 It also had to deal with art too, So that 231 00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:54.679 was that's pretty good. 232 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:59.840 So I I had a studio in a basement, and 233 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:04.240 you know, other people had access to the area, but 234 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:10.240 for no reason whatsoever would they be going through my things. 235 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:11.759 So I had just. 236 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:15.360 Purchased a material that I was very excited to use. 237 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:17.600 I had saved up for it, I had been itching 238 00:13:17.639 --> 00:13:19.600 to use it for a while. So there was kind 239 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:22.600 of an energetic feeling towards this, if we want to put. 240 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:23.480 That factor into it. 241 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:28.639 I had I had all my materials in a bag 242 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:33.159 specifically that would zip up, and you know, this was 243 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:34.360 it had a lot. 244 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:35.399 Of expensive materials. 245 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:39.679 So again nobody would be touching this, and as soon 246 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:42.120 as I was ready to use it, it had vanished, 247 00:13:42.279 --> 00:13:44.600 and it had vanished for three years. 248 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:49.960 I tore the place apart looking for it. And also. 249 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:55.080 Eventually after the story ends, I want to say that 250 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:58.919 if you open this material and use it, it drives out 251 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:02.200 very quickly. So the shelf life of this when opened 252 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:03.840 is very short. 253 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:05.039 Yeah. 254 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:08.240 So three years later I had opened up my bag 255 00:14:08.279 --> 00:14:11.120 and it was sitting right on top of the pile 256 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:13.600 of paint and I had painted a lot, you know, 257 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:17.879 during that three years, So that was interesting. It's also 258 00:14:17.919 --> 00:14:19.639 one of my favorite things to use. Now I have 259 00:14:19.759 --> 00:14:21.720 rebought it after I had used that. 260 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:28.559 Yeah, that's sort of impossible. Yeah, like it jumped forward 261 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:29.240 in time. 262 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:34.039 You know, It's It's not one of my most standout experiences, 263 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:35.960 but it was definitely. 264 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:38.960 It made no sense whatsoever. 265 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:44.759 And I wonder what exactly would be the reasoning behind that, 266 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:48.799 if there was any intelligence taking it away from me. 267 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:51.919 Critic non human critic. 268 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:55.639 I don't think I like what she's doing with this. 269 00:14:55.720 --> 00:14:58.679 I'm gonna throw it three years into the future. Fine, 270 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:01.200 at least she got it back. 271 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:04.360 At least I got it back. Yeah, I was very 272 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:06.720 happy to have it back. But I was also very pissed. 273 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:11.600 It's understandable. But I mean, like, I guess it's it's 274 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:13.960 also better than someone had stolen it. 275 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:15.559 Yes, that's very true. 276 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:18.200 So so what are some of the more visceral things 277 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:18.799 that have happened. 278 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:24.480 Well, when I was a teenager, I lived in an 279 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:29.080 apartment that was very active. It is the most active 280 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:34.279 place I've ever lived in. Unbeknownst to me, when my 281 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:37.799 family and I were moving into the place, the landlord 282 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:41.480 had told us that there was activity and then told 283 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:45.240 my parents they didn't share that with me because I 284 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:48.879 had experiences in other places as well. 285 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:53.039 I also want to preface that I have uh since 286 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:54.000 the family. 287 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:56.960 The family is paranormally inclined, we've always believed one another 288 00:15:56.960 --> 00:16:00.360 one we've seen or experienced something and tried to figure you're. 289 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:03.159 Out if we could explain it, that's great. Yeah, I'm 290 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:04.159 very lucky for that. 291 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:10.360 So one of the more visceral experiences I've had doors 292 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:15.679 swing open, latched doors, swing open, door knobs turned, cups 293 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:22.320 moved in patterns that are impossible, and I some movement 294 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:27.159 of objects have been seen by other people, so that 295 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:30.279 is also validating you're not the only person seeing it. 296 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:34.840 There was an apparition, Uh, there were voices, it was 297 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:36.759 a it was a very active apartment. 298 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:40.639 And it was interesting too that like when it happened, 299 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:44.279 there was that feeling that a lot of people describe 300 00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:48.320 of you don't care, you know it's happening, You're you're 301 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:49.080 seeing it happen. 302 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:51.639 It is frightening, but you kind of kind of just 303 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:55.799 rolls off of you. And I'm glad that that's how 304 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:59.600 I approach this. Now, I now that I think that 305 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:02.639 I'm doing work on it, and I wouldn't call it 306 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:06.160 looking for it. I'm certainly not, you know, not looking 307 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:10.160 for it. I think I think it doesn't want. 308 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:14.680 To play well. It does tend what was it a 309 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:16.799 little bit, just a little bit, It does tend to 310 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:21.000 be a trickster. So you know, I don't know that 311 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:24.240 most people's response is to let it slide off them. 312 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:27.880 I mean, sorry, depending on what it is, like maybe 313 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:30.480 a door opening. Yeah, but like a lot of people 314 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:34.119 get really freaked out by this stuff, so that's kind. 315 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:37.200 Of a little bit after I think the shock wears off, 316 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:40.559 or what I've heard is that you have the sighting, 317 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:44.400 especially like a craft sighting, and then you're like, oh okay, 318 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:46.759 and then it hits you a little later on. 319 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:51.279 Well, there's also those cases where people experience something, you know, 320 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:53.480 like they wake up, they have an experience, and then 321 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:55.279 they just go back to sleep. Yeah, And I know 322 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:57.240 that's happened to me before, and it's it's weird because 323 00:17:57.240 --> 00:17:58.839 you think, how did I just go back to sleep? 324 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:03.519 So that's yeah, that's always been been an odd thing. 325 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:06.519 But I mean, I think people's responses to this stuff 326 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:09.480 very I've seen people who have experienced stuff with me 327 00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:12.599 really lose lose it when stuff happens. You know, it's 328 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:14.759 not even like shock. They're just out and out scared. 329 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:17.759 My friend, my one friend used to say that if 330 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:20.000 you ever saw me running from something, he'd be rubbing 331 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:24.839 running double speed because to me, it just it happens. 332 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:27.680 And I'm like, okay, especially especially now because I've had 333 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:29.599 so much, none of it feels threatening. 334 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:32.359 That's kind of well, how active. 335 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:37.559 That place I've lived in was was a little you know, concerning, 336 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:41.799 But nothing I've experienced has been threatening thus far. 337 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:43.279 Knock on wood. 338 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:48.000 And you said you've experienced shadow people. 339 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:49.279 I've experienced shadows. 340 00:18:50.079 --> 00:18:54.359 When I was very young, I had a lot of 341 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:57.000 shadows and that was kind of part of course for 342 00:18:57.400 --> 00:18:58.400 other family members. 343 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:01.079 Okay. And you didn't get a bad feeling from that either, 344 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:05.839 not necessarily, Okay, you don't see anything like that more recently. 345 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:09.680 I live in a place now, so the last like 346 00:19:09.920 --> 00:19:13.839 three places SIZE have lived in have been dead quiet. 347 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:17.160 But where I live now, being being in New Yorker, 348 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:21.720 you move a lot, it seems like it's a bit uh. 349 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:24.680 Things come and go, they don't, they don't hang around. 350 00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:29.440 I was seeing a lot of lots of lights and 351 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:32.079 shadows and I'm gonna be honest. I was like, well, 352 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:35.119 I'm getting older, so maybe my vision's kind of not 353 00:19:35.240 --> 00:19:42.359 great anymore. But I live across the hall from someone 354 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:46.279 who's lived in the building their whole life. And without prompting, 355 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:49.079 she was like. We were talking and she's like, you know, 356 00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:51.279 I'm a little witchy. And I was like, oh, yeah, 357 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:55.759 what do you think this place is haunted? Able like, 358 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:01.200 and she explained everything and she's like, now my daughter's 359 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:03.440 seeing it too, and I was like, okay, cool, good 360 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:03.680 to know. 361 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:04.480 Good to know. 362 00:20:05.799 --> 00:20:09.240 Did she think it was haunted or just a weird spot. 363 00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:10.119 It's a weird. 364 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:14.440 Spot, which is also I've had friends over who are 365 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:17.440 sensitive and they feel the same way. 366 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:21.359 It's kind of we call it the way station. I 367 00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:25.440 don't know why that is. There could be a multitude 368 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:27.640 of reasons. Maybe the building. 369 00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:31.759 Is just covered in wire and electrical wires, and spectrum 370 00:20:31.839 --> 00:20:34.480 hasn't been spectrum Internet is just flying. 371 00:20:34.240 --> 00:20:35.720 Around everywhere, who knows. 372 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:41.440 Could be just a huge Faraday cage, who knows. But yeah, 373 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:46.440 it's odd. I've had some pretty sick, significant work sightings 374 00:20:46.480 --> 00:20:50.160 in there. But you know, what I always say is like, 375 00:20:50.319 --> 00:20:52.200 if you're not paying rent, get. 376 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:52.720 Out of my arm. 377 00:20:54.440 --> 00:20:56.440 I encourage it. I wanted to do things. 378 00:20:56.599 --> 00:20:57.359 Is the paying rent. 379 00:20:57.599 --> 00:20:59.240 It didn't need to pay rent. It just has to 380 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:03.680 you know, stuff or be helpful. Yes, So what other 381 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:05.200 kind of experiences have you had? 382 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:08.519 That's about kind of the full gamut. I mean I've 383 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:13.240 had and I've done a project on some astral projection 384 00:21:13.400 --> 00:21:14.759 experiences that I've had. 385 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:15.279 Okay. 386 00:21:16.240 --> 00:21:19.720 In my family, I come from a line of dowsers, 387 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:24.160 so that's really interesting. Where originally from the Hudson Valley, 388 00:21:24.519 --> 00:21:27.880 So it's like Queen's in the Hudson Valley. And so 389 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:33.640 my father's side is the sensitive side, and that is 390 00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:40.559 the family of dowsers and mediums and psychics. Then my 391 00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:44.559 grandmother also on my father's side, so his mother has 392 00:21:44.599 --> 00:21:48.759 had multiple near death experiences. There was I did a 393 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:52.359 project of that, coupling it with you know what kind 394 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:55.279 of trauma that does to the person and the family, 395 00:21:55.680 --> 00:22:01.039 and paranormal activity that happened after she had. 396 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:01.200 For the final time. 397 00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:03.279 Wow. Okay, And I know you said you were you 398 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:06.160 were looking into the Monroe Institute gateway stuff, right. 399 00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:12.079 Yeah. The concept of methods of meditation in order to 400 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:17.079 contact entities is pretty interesting because it kind of brings 401 00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:21.599