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Speaker 2: Welcome to this edition of Where Did the Road Go?
Speaker 2: And this week I have joining me Danielle Drake, and yes,
Speaker 2: your first time here, and you're going to be doing
Speaker 2: something that is applies locally to this show in the
Speaker 2: Ethica area. But you also have other stuff we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about, but do you want to talk about
Speaker 2: that first.
Speaker 7: My name is daniel Drake and I'm a visual multi
Speaker 7: media artist from Queens, New York. I was accepted to
Speaker 7: the Constant Saltonstall Artists Foundation for an artist.
Speaker 8: Residency in October this year. I will all of.
Speaker 7: My work generally is based off of unexplained phenomena, be
Speaker 7: it my own or people that come and talk to
Speaker 7: me or things that I agreed, and I will be
Speaker 7: doing a project that I pitched to them, making a
Speaker 7: series of artwork based off of local unexplained folklore, be
Speaker 7: it contemporary experiencer prescription or I was at the History
Speaker 7: Center in their archives for some of your local folklore.
Speaker 7: And it's been really interesting so far, and I'm really
Speaker 7: excited to get my handster.
Speaker 2: And you have collected stories from local people, and you
Speaker 2: did say Connecticut Hill has one of the highest amount
Speaker 2: of stories, So that's that's not surprising to me because
Speaker 2: the whole area is is just full of weird stuff,
Speaker 2: but Connecticut Hill seems to be a focal point.
Speaker 7: So I've found when you are collecting stories are speaking
Speaker 7: to people, especially in like a certain area of you know,
Speaker 7: a geographical area, you do get you know here in
Speaker 7: their stories and then they kind of drop off. But
Speaker 7: I've found for the Finger Lakes region, it's, uh, it
Speaker 7: doesn't stop. It's a bit more prevalent than I'm used to.
Speaker 2: Well, that's good, You've got plenty of stuff to work with.
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, I do, and explain to.
Speaker 2: People what this, what this is that you're going to
Speaker 2: be doing this residency sure.
Speaker 7: So in our US residency is basically there's a set
Speaker 7: amount of time that you can go to a physical
Speaker 7: location and either collaborate with other artists, or work academically
Speaker 7: with other artists.
Speaker 8: Or just work on your own practice.
Speaker 7: So when I applied to Saltonstall, I pitched this project
Speaker 7: and then I gave them, you know, examples of my
Speaker 7: own work.
Speaker 8: And thankfully, it seems that the tides are turning.
Speaker 7: People want to see more artwork and media about unexplained phenomena.
Speaker 8: It's it's in vogue right now.
Speaker 2: It's yeah. Well, I think over the last like three decades,
Speaker 2: may two and a half decades, it's become more and
Speaker 2: more acceptable, initially from reality shows like ghost Hunters and
Speaker 2: Ancient Aliens, and now because of like the whole disclosure movement.
Speaker 2: As much as I'm not particularly a fan of it,
Speaker 2: it definitely has made it more It's reduced the ridicule factor,
Speaker 2: so people a little more willing to talk about things. Yes,
Speaker 2: and how long have you been doing this type of thing?
Speaker 7: I've been paranormally inclined for my whole life, That's what
Speaker 7: I kind of call it. But I've been working in
Speaker 7: this regard since around twenty thirteen, working professionally.
Speaker 8: In an artist sense.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, and also give people your website right up
Speaker 2: frontier so they can go check it out.
Speaker 7: Sure it is Daniel Drake dot com Drake d r
Speaker 7: A I K. And I'm also art of d Drake
Speaker 7: on most social media platforms.
Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, you have a link to I know, your
Speaker 2: Instagram on the website, and I feel like there's a
Speaker 2: couple others right Yeah. So as you've been collecting these stories,
Speaker 2: do you find any commonalities in this area.
Speaker 7: I've been getting a few triangle sidings, which I will
Speaker 7: say are my favorite personally.
Speaker 8: And a lot of orbs.
Speaker 7: Orbs are kind of a common sighting that you see,
Speaker 7: especially right now if we're looking at it kind of
Speaker 7: on like a timeline of what types of craft sightings
Speaker 7: you see. I think orbs are kind of the hot
Speaker 7: shape right now. But so I got a lot of orbs,
Speaker 7: I've got some triangles. I've been talking to a few
Speaker 7: sensitive people, so some people with mediumship qualities. There are
Speaker 7: a few hauntings, but mostly historical.
Speaker 8: That's really interesting.
Speaker 7: I have been in contact with the local Ithaca historian
Speaker 7: and she's given me a purported Haunted House.
Speaker 8: So that's that's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, I mean, like I said, the whole
Speaker 2: Upstate area is just I mean, it's where Streamer had
Speaker 2: his experiences. It's where Mormonism started. It's not what were
Speaker 2: the sisters there in spirit that started spiritualism some some called.
Speaker 8: Some free love cults and the Oneida Silver Cult.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so it's I mean, there's so much stuff.
Speaker 2: The Seth material was channeled here, and it's Ethica in particular.
Speaker 2: There is a particular monastery there, and from what I understand,
Speaker 2: it's considered one of the most powerful spots on the planet.
Speaker 2: And judging from the number of things I've experienced here,
Speaker 2: I would say that's not surprising.
Speaker 8: But I really appreciate talk with me about.
Speaker 2: I also wonder how much of it is just how
Speaker 2: the area formed, you know, like a geological makeup that
Speaker 2: maybe adds to it.
Speaker 7: What would you say you think adds to it specifically
Speaker 7: like limestone or the glacial type.
Speaker 2: Of potentially the glacial type of stuff, but also the
Speaker 2: all the fault lines, you know, because they store electricity,
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of this stuff has to
Speaker 2: do with electricity in some way, shape or form. Just
Speaker 2: like you know, you're saying orbs. Like my thing forever
Speaker 2: has been like if someone sees a light in the house,
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, it's a ghost. They see it in
Speaker 2: the sky like, oh, it's aliens. They see it in
Speaker 2: the woods, they're like, oh, it's the fay, you know.
Speaker 2: And it's like, but all of it's lights. Lights are
Speaker 2: like one of the most common things you see in
Speaker 2: all of these phenomena. And I mean that's it's one
Speaker 2: of those things that when you take that and basically
Speaker 2: poltergeist phenomena and you find it across the board. So
Speaker 2: I think environmental stuff as well as cosmic stuff like
Speaker 2: whether or not we're being hit with solar activity or
Speaker 2: possibly you know, something from somewhere else in the galaxy
Speaker 2: or you know somewhere else in the galaxy or whatever,
Speaker 2: probably also has an effect of when this stuff happens.
Speaker 2: I only recently realized a whole batch of my experiences
Speaker 2: happened during some of the highest solar activity of the
Speaker 2: twentieth century.
Speaker 8: Oh, that's really interesting.
Speaker 2: And I've noted it, but I didn't. I didn't really
Speaker 2: look into it. And then I looked into it, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, this was actually really significant solar activity.
Speaker 2: So people will be able to come and see your artwork.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So on October eighteenth.
Speaker 7: We'll be having an open house and people can come
Speaker 7: to the foundation unless we're moving it off site. I
Speaker 7: don't think the venue is particularly clear it, but they'll
Speaker 7: be able to see the work that I've done. I
Speaker 7: will probably bring some older work too, and they'll be able.
Speaker 8: To talk to me there.
Speaker 2: How have people reacted in the past to the art
Speaker 2: work you've made of their experiences?
Speaker 7: Mostly good, okay, I for the most part, I've had
Speaker 7: people reach out to me rather than me reaching out
Speaker 7: to them.
Speaker 8: So this project and this foundation.
Speaker 7: The foundation is actually NISKA funded, which is the New
Speaker 7: York State Council for the Arts. So it's really nice
Speaker 7: that I'm being given an opportunity in order to pivot
Speaker 7: this kind of practice that I've been doing and kind
Speaker 7: of open up in sort of a legitimate or more
Speaker 7: legitimate way, rather than me just putting my artwork on
Speaker 7: the Internet and having people reach out to me saying,
Speaker 7: you know that they've seen similar thing.
Speaker 8: So generally good.
Speaker 7: I generally get you know, decent and interested people speaking
Speaker 7: with me. I have had some issues with folk, which
Speaker 7: is I guess part of the course of.
Speaker 8: Being you know, someone on the internet, so you know
Speaker 8: there is there is always that in the back of
Speaker 8: your mind. But for the most part, it's opened me
Speaker 8: up to a community of people that is it's great.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean specifically, like, if you've done art work
Speaker 2: about someone's experience, what is the general reaction you get
Speaker 2: from them when they see your art?
Speaker 8: Oh, it's generally very good.
Speaker 7: And you know, I don't I'm not extremely derivative either,
Speaker 7: Like I will do say a craft or something that
Speaker 7: somebody has seen, but you know, how many people have
Speaker 7: also seen that craft?
Speaker 8: But also how am I breaking it down in an.
Speaker 7: Artistic sense where this is a symbol that people gravitate
Speaker 7: towards and then potentially see. Uh, you know, the physicality
Speaker 7: of the experience is you know, left up to discussion.
Speaker 7: So generally it has been good and it opens up
Speaker 7: more conversations too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've had experiences of your own and you've
Speaker 2: you've done art on some of those.
Speaker 8: Uh, yes, here and there.
Speaker 7: I have definitely put in, uh silently, my own experiences
Speaker 7: into my work.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like that helps you like understand it?
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, I feel like I feel that if
Speaker 9: I were coming at the topic from an outsider standpoint,
Speaker 9: not that that's not legitimate or anything, but I think
Speaker 9: people trust me more with their stories because I have
Speaker 9: my own stories.
Speaker 8: They they don't think I'm going to disregard them or scoff.
Speaker 2: At them, right right, Yeah, So what kind of experiences
Speaker 2: have you had?
Speaker 7: Well, like I've said, come from a paranormally inclined family,
Speaker 7: so my whole family has kind of had experiences throughout
Speaker 7: my whole life. And uh so I've lived in uh,
Speaker 7: pretty hot places and I've lived in places with no activity.
Speaker 8: So I've had, you know, some physical.
Speaker 7: Movement of things I've had. I've had apparitions that I've seen.
Speaker 7: I've also had you know, your your your light sightings,
Speaker 7: your shadow sightings.
Speaker 8: Uh and yeah, a coorts.
Speaker 7: I know you and I were talking about that, things
Speaker 7: that go missing for no explanation whatsoever.
Speaker 8: And it's not just because I'm forgetful.
Speaker 7: But uh, yeah, I've had I've had a strong gamut,
Speaker 7: but I will say I've had no UFO activity.
Speaker 2: The do you want to talk about the apports? Because
Speaker 2: I know that was pretty interesting, sure, and.
Speaker 8: It also had to deal with art too, So that
Speaker 8: was that's pretty good.
Speaker 7: So I I had a studio in a basement, and
Speaker 7: you know, other people had access to the area, but
Speaker 7: for no reason whatsoever would they be going through my things.
Speaker 8: So I had just.
Speaker 7: Purchased a material that I was very excited to use.
Speaker 7: I had saved up for it, I had been itching
Speaker 7: to use it for a while. So there was kind
Speaker 7: of an energetic feeling towards this, if we want to put.
Speaker 8: That factor into it.
Speaker 7: I had I had all my materials in a bag
Speaker 7: specifically that would zip up, and you know, this was
Speaker 7: it had a lot.
Speaker 8: Of expensive materials.
Speaker 7: So again nobody would be touching this, and as soon
Speaker 7: as I was ready to use it, it had vanished,
Speaker 7: and it had vanished for three years.
Speaker 8: I tore the place apart looking for it. And also.
Speaker 7: Eventually after the story ends, I want to say that
Speaker 7: if you open this material and use it, it drives out
Speaker 7: very quickly. So the shelf life of this when opened
Speaker 7: is very short.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So three years later I had opened up my bag
Speaker 7: and it was sitting right on top of the pile
Speaker 7: of paint and I had painted a lot, you know,
Speaker 7: during that three years, So that was interesting. It's also
Speaker 7: one of my favorite things to use. Now I have
Speaker 7: rebought it after I had used that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's sort of impossible. Yeah, like it jumped forward
Speaker 2: in time.
Speaker 7: You know, It's It's not one of my most standout experiences,
Speaker 7: but it was definitely.
Speaker 8: It made no sense whatsoever.
Speaker 7: And I wonder what exactly would be the reasoning behind that,
Speaker 7: if there was any intelligence taking it away from me.
Speaker 8: Critic non human critic.
Speaker 2: I don't think I like what she's doing with this.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw it three years into the future. Fine,
Speaker 2: at least she got it back.
Speaker 7: At least I got it back. Yeah, I was very
Speaker 7: happy to have it back. But I was also very pissed.
Speaker 2: It's understandable. But I mean, like, I guess it's it's
Speaker 2: also better than someone had stolen it.
Speaker 8: Yes, that's very true.
Speaker 2: So so what are some of the more visceral things
Speaker 2: that have happened.
Speaker 7: Well, when I was a teenager, I lived in an
Speaker 7: apartment that was very active. It is the most active
Speaker 7: place I've ever lived in. Unbeknownst to me, when my
Speaker 7: family and I were moving into the place, the landlord
Speaker 7: had told us that there was activity and then told
Speaker 7: my parents they didn't share that with me because I
Speaker 7: had experiences in other places as well.
Speaker 8: I also want to preface that I have uh since
Speaker 8: the family.
Speaker 7: The family is paranormally inclined, we've always believed one another
Speaker 7: one we've seen or experienced something and tried to figure you're.
Speaker 8: Out if we could explain it, that's great. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 8: very lucky for that.
Speaker 7: So one of the more visceral experiences I've had doors
Speaker 7: swing open, latched doors, swing open, door knobs turned, cups
Speaker 7: moved in patterns that are impossible, and I some movement
Speaker 7: of objects have been seen by other people, so that
Speaker 7: is also validating you're not the only person seeing it.
Speaker 7: There was an apparition, Uh, there were voices, it was
Speaker 7: a it was a very active apartment.
Speaker 10: And it was interesting too that like when it happened,
Speaker 10: there was that feeling that a lot of people describe
Speaker 10: of you don't care, you know it's happening, You're you're
Speaker 10: seeing it happen.
Speaker 7: It is frightening, but you kind of kind of just
Speaker 7: rolls off of you. And I'm glad that that's how
Speaker 7: I approach this. Now, I now that I think that
Speaker 7: I'm doing work on it, and I wouldn't call it
Speaker 7: looking for it. I'm certainly not, you know, not looking
Speaker 7: for it. I think I think it doesn't want.
Speaker 2: To play well. It does tend what was it a
Speaker 2: little bit, just a little bit, It does tend to
Speaker 2: be a trickster. So you know, I don't know that
Speaker 2: most people's response is to let it slide off them.
Speaker 2: I mean, sorry, depending on what it is, like maybe
Speaker 2: a door opening. Yeah, but like a lot of people
Speaker 2: get really freaked out by this stuff, so that's kind.
Speaker 11: Of a little bit after I think the shock wears off,
Speaker 11: or what I've heard is that you have the sighting,
Speaker 11: especially like a craft sighting, and then you're like, oh okay,
Speaker 11: and then it hits you a little later on.
Speaker 2: Well, there's also those cases where people experience something, you know,
Speaker 2: like they wake up, they have an experience, and then
Speaker 2: they just go back to sleep. Yeah, And I know
Speaker 2: that's happened to me before, and it's it's weird because
Speaker 2: you think, how did I just go back to sleep?
Speaker 2: So that's yeah, that's always been been an odd thing.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I think people's responses to this stuff
Speaker 2: very I've seen people who have experienced stuff with me
Speaker 2: really lose lose it when stuff happens. You know, it's
Speaker 2: not even like shock. They're just out and out scared.
Speaker 2: My friend, my one friend used to say that if
Speaker 2: you ever saw me running from something, he'd be rubbing
Speaker 2: running double speed because to me, it just it happens.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, especially especially now because I've had
Speaker 2: so much, none of it feels threatening.
Speaker 8: That's kind of well, how active.
Speaker 7: That place I've lived in was was a little you know, concerning,
Speaker 7: But nothing I've experienced has been threatening thus far.
Speaker 8: Knock on wood.
Speaker 2: And you said you've experienced shadow people.
Speaker 8: I've experienced shadows.
Speaker 7: When I was very young, I had a lot of
Speaker 7: shadows and that was kind of part of course for
Speaker 7: other family members.
Speaker 2: Okay. And you didn't get a bad feeling from that either,
Speaker 2: not necessarily, Okay, you don't see anything like that more recently.
Speaker 12: I live in a place now, so the last like
Speaker 12: three places SIZE have lived in have been dead quiet.
Speaker 12: But where I live now, being being in New Yorker,
Speaker 12: you move a lot, it seems like it's a bit uh.
Speaker 7: Things come and go, they don't, they don't hang around.
Speaker 7: I was seeing a lot of lots of lights and
Speaker 7: shadows and I'm gonna be honest. I was like, well,
Speaker 7: I'm getting older, so maybe my vision's kind of not
Speaker 7: great anymore. But I live across the hall from someone
Speaker 7: who's lived in the building their whole life. And without prompting,
Speaker 7: she was like. We were talking and she's like, you know,
Speaker 7: I'm a little witchy. And I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 7: what do you think this place is haunted? Able like,
Speaker 7: and she explained everything and she's like, now my daughter's
Speaker 7: seeing it too, and I was like, okay, cool, good
Speaker 7: to know.
Speaker 8: Good to know.
Speaker 2: Did she think it was haunted or just a weird spot.
Speaker 8: It's a weird.
Speaker 7: Spot, which is also I've had friends over who are
Speaker 7: sensitive and they feel the same way.
Speaker 8: It's kind of we call it the way station. I
Speaker 8: don't know why that is. There could be a multitude
Speaker 8: of reasons. Maybe the building.
Speaker 7: Is just covered in wire and electrical wires, and spectrum
Speaker 7: hasn't been spectrum Internet is just flying.
Speaker 8: Around everywhere, who knows.
Speaker 7: Could be just a huge Faraday cage, who knows. But yeah,
Speaker 7: it's odd. I've had some pretty sick, significant work sightings
Speaker 7: in there. But you know, what I always say is like,
Speaker 7: if you're not paying rent, get.
Speaker 8: Out of my arm.
Speaker 2: I encourage it. I wanted to do things.
Speaker 8: Is the paying rent.
Speaker 2: It didn't need to pay rent. It just has to
Speaker 2: you know, stuff or be helpful. Yes, So what other
Speaker 2: kind of experiences have you had?
Speaker 8: That's about kind of the full gamut. I mean I've
Speaker 8: had and I've done a project on some astral projection
Speaker 8: experiences that I've had.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 7: In my family, I come from a line of dowsers,
Speaker 7: so that's really interesting. Where originally from the Hudson Valley,
Speaker 7: So it's like Queen's in the Hudson Valley. And so
Speaker 7: my father's side is the sensitive side, and that is
Speaker 7: the family of dowsers and mediums and psychics. Then my
Speaker 7: grandmother also on my father's side, so his mother has
Speaker 7: had multiple near death experiences. There was I did a
Speaker 7: project of that, coupling it with you know what kind
Speaker 7: of trauma that does to the person and the family,
Speaker 7: and paranormal activity that happened after she had.
Speaker 8: For the final time.
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, And I know you said you were you
Speaker 2: were looking into the Monroe Institute gateway stuff, right.
Speaker 8: Yeah. The concept of methods of meditation in order to
Speaker 8: contact entities is pretty interesting because it kind of brings
Speaker 8: the power back to the person for a multitude of reasons.
Speaker 7: So I also like looking at the Gateway process as
Speaker 7: kind of like a contemporary American occultism war type thing.
Speaker 7: I know, we have CE five too, which apparently people
Speaker 7: at the Monroe Institute have been also doing CE five,
Speaker 7: which I recently found out. But the concept is really interesting,
Speaker 7: and especially how Gateway was utilized for wartime or there
Speaker 7: was an attempt. I appreciate the appropriation of government funding
Speaker 7: into spooky projects.
Speaker 8: I very much appreciate that.
Speaker 7: Then, Uh also just kind of the seeking out, uh,
Speaker 7: you know, kind of hidden knowledge from an entity and
Speaker 7: making contact and usually you hit kind of a tricks
Speaker 7: or entity that's kind of like, I mean, that's folklore,
Speaker 7: like you know, you go looking for answers and you
Speaker 7: found them, don't go looking for them.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 7: But Robert Monroe contacted a very benevolent entity, so like
Speaker 7: we have the Gayway process, but later when you go
Speaker 7: into it, uh, E was channeling or one of one
Speaker 7: of his explorers was channeling a benevolent entity that helped
Speaker 7: him kind of set up all of the focus levels
Speaker 7: and it was a very helpful and benevolent entity. So
Speaker 7: that's interesting too. I really I really enjoy that as
Speaker 7: a story. But also as you know, people go to
Speaker 7: the mon Row Institute all the time and and with
Speaker 7: a resounding uh resounding success for them in whatever regard.
Speaker 8: Not to say that you know that's going to be
Speaker 8: like the story for everyone, of course, but it's it's
Speaker 8: just interesting.
Speaker 7: You don't really hear about people contacting benevolent entities without
Speaker 7: there being.
Speaker 8: Some sort of price.
Speaker 7: So yeah, I am practicing a little bit myself, not
Speaker 7: not too too much, but kind of been at the
Speaker 7: researcher standpoint, and also like looking at it as kind
Speaker 7: of this American cultural phenomenon.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, have you had any success with it?
Speaker 7: I'm not looking to contact entities, but yes, generally, do
Speaker 7: you do notice some alterned states?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, and U see five stuff. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: anything anytime you're doing stuff like that, it has the
Speaker 2: potential to work. But I also see someone like, uh,
Speaker 2: who's the main guy who does it?
Speaker 3: Greer?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Greer. Greer almost comes across like a used car
Speaker 2: sales and I've seen that. Yeah, it's a lot, I've
Speaker 2: seen him, you know, be like every like the sky
Speaker 2: is basically a UFO when they're doing CE five and
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, well, I mean maybe that helps people
Speaker 2: believe and actually manifest these things, but also does he
Speaker 2: really think that or is he just trying to sell
Speaker 2: it like that?
Speaker 7: The comparison that I see with like, okay, so now
Speaker 7: we're looking at two, I would call them contemporary American
Speaker 7: occult practices.
Speaker 8: That's what this is. Like, it's a it's a.
Speaker 7: Deep trance like meditative process for you know, occult purposes.
Speaker 7: So you have the Gateway process, which is very will
Speaker 7: put in air quotes ritualistic, and you know, you go
Speaker 7: into it it kind of cleansing yourself, protecting yourself and
Speaker 7: then seeking answers and then CE five to me is
Speaker 7: like going outside with the flash like you're gonna fucking
Speaker 7: talk to me.
Speaker 8: So it's a bit hubristic.
Speaker 7: So uh, but you know what it gets results, So
Speaker 7: like you can't knock it.
Speaker 8: I cannot get a little bit. But yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 7: Very interesting and I am excited to explore it a
Speaker 7: little bit more from a kind of uh folklorics standpoint.
Speaker 2: What I forgot what I was going to ask it
Speaker 2: was something about the five.
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Speaker 2: Uh oh, when you say they're just you know, demanding,
Speaker 2: it kind of like the ghost Counters will go into
Speaker 2: a house and be like, show yourself, and then when
Speaker 2: something happens, they run away. You know, it's like demons,
Speaker 2: it's me boy. Well, clearly it's all demons. I mean
Speaker 2: that's the official stance at the moment.
Speaker 8: So there wasn't In Syracuse.
Speaker 7: There was a priest, a mon senior who as an exorcist,
Speaker 7: and you know, we don't have a lot of those,
Speaker 7: and he started, I think writing online or speaking that
Speaker 7: he was making the you know, alien demonic connection, and
Speaker 7: they took away his like I don't know if his
Speaker 7: exorcist license. I don't know what they told him. He
Speaker 7: couldn't do that anymore, which is that's I think it
Speaker 7: was Syracuse, but I mean that's not a it's not
Speaker 7: a and he was a Catholic priest too. You usually
Speaker 7: get that kind of weird, obscure kind of descent from Jesuits.
Speaker 7: In any case, Yeah, I'm I think it was in Syracuse.
Speaker 7: It was definitely in New York state.
Speaker 2: I'm vaguely familiar with that, but I don't remember any details.
Speaker 2: The thing that I think the thing with the aliens
Speaker 2: being demons is kind of structured off the hypnosis stuff
Speaker 2: that people like Bud Hopkins and them did, where they're
Speaker 2: treating these things like that they're coming in and they're
Speaker 2: you know, they're abducting people against their will, rather than
Speaker 2: this being a spiritual process with these things are trying
Speaker 2: to interact with people, and I think once you see
Speaker 2: it in a negative light, it's hard to see it
Speaker 2: any other way.
Speaker 7: I you know, in my camp, for whatever that's worth, Like,
Speaker 7: I have encountered people who have had tons of negative experiences,
Speaker 7: and then I've encountered the people that have positive experiences.
Speaker 8: And yeah, so.
Speaker 7: I can't fault someone who experiences trauma. I mean, anytime
Speaker 7: someone's talking to me about this, especially from a trauma standpoint.
Speaker 14: I.
Speaker 8: Believe them.
Speaker 7: I believe Yeah, it's I mean, and like I hate
Speaker 7: to say, but Bud and David Jacobs, as problematic as
Speaker 7: they are, I ate up their work and it was
Speaker 7: very interesting to me when I started really researching the phenomenon.
Speaker 7: But you know that being said, like what has that
Speaker 7: done to kind of look collective unconscious of the phenomenon
Speaker 7: in general?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think I'm reiterating what you just said to me.
Speaker 2: It's it's put like blinders on it for one thing,
Speaker 2: you know, like we see it, Like I said, you know,
Speaker 2: we see lights in all this stuff. We see polticeist
Speaker 2: and activity and all this stuff. But you'll get like
Speaker 2: a UFO encounter and then a big foot encounter, and
Speaker 2: the people researching it are only interested in the thing
Speaker 2: they're researching and instead of being like, why are these
Speaker 2: two things happening at the same time.
Speaker 8: Now it's a holistic phenomenon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I had small town Monsters I can't
Speaker 2: remember his name, Adam On for one of his big
Speaker 2: Foot movies, and I said, so any UFO settings when
Speaker 2: this flap was happening, and he, you know, he was
Speaker 2: more of a flesh and blood guy, and he was
Speaker 2: very hesitant to admit that. Yeah, right across the road
Speaker 2: from the house that was getting most of the activity,
Speaker 2: a UFO came down, burned a circle into the yard.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you don't think that's you think that's
Speaker 2: just a coincidence, you know. But I think most of
Speaker 2: this research, for most of its existence in modern you know, studies,
Speaker 2: has been very siloed.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it has.
Speaker 7: And there are a lot of people who are like
Speaker 7: tried and true cryptozoologists and they do not like to
Speaker 7: mention the UFO. And you know that the umbrella of
Speaker 7: a lot of the sightings that were in kind of
Speaker 7: like along the I ninety five, uh, like in West Virginia,
Speaker 7: both Mothman and like flat Woods and then some other
Speaker 7: monster sidings like they do get lumped in like with
Speaker 7: the you know UFO and on that, and there were
Speaker 7: sightings of craft or you know UAP sidings during that time,
Speaker 7: and it's not really talked about that.
Speaker 8: It's a little ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, I mean Mothman both Man had at all.
Speaker 2: Really I think, I mean one of my theories, which
Speaker 2: takes a while, I had did a whole show on
Speaker 2: it at one point, is that we know from SI
Speaker 2: research and labs that stuff can move backwards in time,
Speaker 2: especially emotionally charged of and I think that bridge collapse
Speaker 2: sent back a mass of sigh energy that caused some
Speaker 2: people to have dreams, you know, because they so pleasant,
Speaker 2: you know, things floating in the presence, floating in the
Speaker 2: river and stuff, and other people just had what amounted
Speaker 2: to poltergeist activity it's set off either it set off
Speaker 2: things for them or it pooled in an area that
Speaker 2: something else was able to take advantage of that energy,
Speaker 2: because you see it stop as soon as the bridge collapses,
Speaker 2: and so it's like if it's moving backwards and it's
Speaker 2: that strong and you already have you know, Keill used
Speaker 2: to say, these people are very psychically attuned to begin with.
Speaker 2: You know, I think that this was like basically it
Speaker 2: was this massive SiGe energy created by this trauma in
Speaker 2: the future. And it makes sense to all the research
Speaker 2: we know about as far as like science stuff goes.
Speaker 2: The doctor Bem who I think is still in Cornell
Speaker 2: when he did his the study that got called orn
Speaker 2: Predicts or Approves Psychic abilities or whatever, he was showing
Speaker 2: images of violence and pornography at random to people, regular people,
Speaker 2: and he would see a spike in their brain waves
Speaker 2: before the image was even chosen, only by fractions of
Speaker 2: a second. But these were just images. So the fact
Speaker 2: that they were picking up on it before they were
Speaker 2: shown the image and it was replicated and pure reviewed
Speaker 2: and everything else is significant because it's saying that these
Speaker 2: these strong emotional things are having I mean, they're they're
Speaker 2: they're being detectable in the past because the brain reacts
Speaker 2: to those images. So I think, you know, even something
Speaker 2: like a bansheet might be something that is projected backwards.
Speaker 2: It's trauma that goes backwards in time that the person
Speaker 2: picks up on but can't quite translate. So you get
Speaker 2: a giant moth I mean, because we know something like
Speaker 2: a mothman can't be a flesh and blood creature. I mean, realistically,
Speaker 2: you know a lot of these monsters, even Bigfoot, in
Speaker 2: a lot of areas, couldn't survive. Have you have you
Speaker 2: you've never had any encryptid sightings?
Speaker 7: Have you no perfect sightings? I wouldn't call Queen's.
Speaker 2: Squat, Yeah, but you've been out other places than Queens,
Speaker 2: I would say.
Speaker 7: I would say, if I were to see a weird
Speaker 7: monster in New York City, I would just be like.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, that's a guy in a costume. Yeah.
Speaker 2: We were going over a book that like listed where
Speaker 2: all the UFO sightings happened each year as a reported
Speaker 2: to move on. That was surprised how many UFO sightings
Speaker 2: New York City had. It was by far the highest
Speaker 2: in the I think Queens was one of the highest areas,
Speaker 2: and that's interesting to me because I would think with
Speaker 2: all the light pollution, it would be hard to spot
Speaker 2: a UFO.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 7: The only one that I can recall off the top
Speaker 7: of my head was there was a siding in Chelsea,
Speaker 7: I think, and Chelsea Manhattan was in twenty thirteen, I believe,
Speaker 7: maybe maybe twenty eleven, but I didn't see that personally.
Speaker 8: I know that Long Island is pretty active.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've had friends to see things in Long Island
Speaker 7: on Long Island, but Queens, no, we have we have
Speaker 7: a significant amount of cemeteries in Queens in Brookland, but
Speaker 7: I would call them.
Speaker 2: More beautiful than Okay. So so when you say thin,
Speaker 2: what do you think is happening in these places?
Speaker 8: Like thin places?
Speaker 7: You know, I know there's that theory of what is
Speaker 7: it the thirty seventh parallel or like kind of lay lines.
Speaker 8: I know that there's, like.
Speaker 7: You said, fault lines or what's very in vogue right now, liminality.
Speaker 7: There there are some places where the gut the senses
Speaker 7: are heightened. Do I I know exactly what what happens
Speaker 7: in a thin place besides the body reacting and the
Speaker 7: mind reacting, the gut feeling that you get in some
Speaker 7: of these places is notable.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I guess when I hear it feels different
Speaker 2: from the way you just described it.
Speaker 8: What's your what's your definition?
Speaker 2: If I hear than, I would say that it's a
Speaker 2: place where the world's touch more versus the way you
Speaker 2: described it, which is a place that makes us more sensitive.
Speaker 2: And I think I think your description is probably more accurate.
Speaker 7: I don't maybe maybe it peaks something in us, because
Speaker 7: I do kind of believe that we all have this sense.
Speaker 7: It's just you know, you gotta practice it or you
Speaker 7: gotta you know, listen to it.
Speaker 8: Then there are you.
Speaker 7: Gotta listen to your gut. And that goes for a
Speaker 7: lot of things, not just the paranormal.
Speaker 2: True.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So.
Speaker 7: I think when you open yourself to kind of I
Speaker 7: don't want to call it reading a room, but entering
Speaker 7: a space and letting your body tell.
Speaker 8: You how you feel, I think that's it.
Speaker 7: So when you enter this kind of in space, which
Speaker 7: worlds are touching, or dimensions are touching, or what have you, whatever,
Speaker 7: your inner sense will peak your animal, the animal of
Speaker 7: your body will will hone.
Speaker 8: In on it.
Speaker 2: I mean that's that's yeah, it's probably a little bit
Speaker 2: of both, yeah, because we don't I mean, we don't
Speaker 2: know where this stuff is coming from that we're witnessing.
Speaker 2: If it's if it's just something that our brain is
Speaker 2: projecting because it doesn't know what else to do with
Speaker 2: the information it's getting, Yeah, or if it's something that
Speaker 2: is normally invisible to us, or if it's something coming
Speaker 2: from somewhere outside of our reality.
Speaker 8: I think it's a little of all.
Speaker 2: Free probably yeah. Yeah, I'm always love the the the
Speaker 2: all of these are probably true type of camp. Like
Speaker 2: there's yeah, there's so much stuff. Like if you look
Speaker 2: at a ghost encounter and it's like, oh, it's a
Speaker 2: you know, spirit of a dead person, yeah, in some cases.
Speaker 2: In other cases it might be recording. Other cases, it
Speaker 2: might be a spirit masquerading as that. It might be
Speaker 2: something we've created because our belief in the place is
Speaker 2: and we get a weird vibe from it, and repeated
Speaker 2: people have now created a tulpa. So I think there's
Speaker 2: a lot there that we we just don't understand what
Speaker 2: we're capable of, much less what else is out there?
Speaker 2: Why why are you fascinated with the triangles?
Speaker 8: So my work is.
Speaker 7: It is all about kind of language and visual language
Speaker 7: and kind of the semiotics of how we can project
Speaker 7: a message through time and through culture, and how there
Speaker 7: there's kind of a unifying element to a lot of
Speaker 7: shapes and design elements and all anyway.
Speaker 8: The circle, the square in the triangle are basic.
Speaker 7: Design elements and they span their cross cultural and they
Speaker 7: spand time and they are so full with energy. This
Speaker 7: is sounding a little woop, but the circle is a
Speaker 7: beautiful shape. The circle is this active receiving portal, and
Speaker 7: the squares the rectangle is rounding, and the triangle is
Speaker 7: just this active, commanding, imposing shape. And these ideas are
Speaker 7: not you know, just coming from me and my my
Speaker 7: love of shape e spanning through through human species, through history.
Speaker 7: So now we you know there there's disc craft, there's orbs,
Speaker 7: there's rectangular craft, there's triangular craft. To see this imposing
Speaker 7: triangle in the sky, and especially with you know, this
Speaker 7: angular kind of phenomenon, it's it's imposing, it's beautiful, it's terrifying.
Speaker 8: And why if.
Speaker 7: This thing is intelligent, why is it choosing you know,
Speaker 7: one shape over another, and why do humans see the
Speaker 7: triangular craft?
Speaker 8: Uh? And it's it's fearful.
Speaker 7: It's fearful, and there's a lot of like a negative
Speaker 7: phenomena around it too. I really love the triangle as
Speaker 7: a shape, as a design concept, as as this imposing language,
Speaker 7: this figurehead. So I gravitate towards that more when I'm
Speaker 7: building out work. I have been getting more into the discs.
Speaker 7: I do find them very interesting. I've been reading. I've
Speaker 7: been reading more about Kenneth Arnald. Kenneth Arnold was the
Speaker 7: one of the first sightings of the disc, but what
Speaker 7: I recently found out is that he experienced hitchhiker effect
Speaker 7: him and his family after that for his whole life.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. He also didn't see discs. He saw boomerangs.
Speaker 8: Why do we always see it as the disc then?
Speaker 2: So he just described the boomerangs as like this, like saucers,
Speaker 2: like like yep, like a socially eat off of skipping
Speaker 2: across the water, and so the newspapers then described it
Speaker 2: as a flying saucer, but they were actually boomerang shaped.
Speaker 7: So then that that, you know, then that permeates like
Speaker 7: what people are seeing, Yes, so that goes into the
Speaker 7: lower That's that's super interesting. And so anyway, just seeing
Speaker 7: an imposing shape in the sky is terrifying concept, mind
Speaker 7: breaking concept. It's an ontological shot. But yeah, so, yeah, triangles.
Speaker 2: Are great and I and I wonder how many of
Speaker 2: them are ours. That's always my issue. That's always my
Speaker 2: issue with triangles, and there's no way to know because
Speaker 2: we don't really know what we have. Have you found
Speaker 2: a lot of old encounters with with triangles when you've
Speaker 2: been looking for them?
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I'm reading Triangular UFO is an Estimate of
Speaker 7: the Situation by.
Speaker 8: David Murler on book So.
Speaker 7: I recently joined the UFO book club. It's on Blue
Speaker 7: Sky through a user, the anomalist Jen and she's reviving
Speaker 7: the UFO book club that was apparently on Twitter back
Speaker 7: in the day. So every month we've been reading a
Speaker 7: new book, and man, this book is just knocking it
Speaker 7: out of the park. Yeah, David Marler, Okay, I would
Speaker 7: and I would say this is one of the best
Speaker 7: UFO books I've read in a long time. It's very
Speaker 7: like analytical, straightforward. Here's a bunch of experiences. And yes,
Speaker 7: there are a lot of historical experiences, so I think
Speaker 7: the earliest one is in the late forties. And then
Speaker 7: it's like fifty sixties, seventies and then kind of a boom,
Speaker 7: and it's there's a lot of American signings, but then
Speaker 7: there's a lot of UKs. There's I think some in
Speaker 7: France and I think some in the southern heavensphere, so
Speaker 7: he's collecting a ton of them. It's a really good book.
Speaker 7: I'm not through it with it yet, and we have
Speaker 7: our meeting on Sunday, and I gotta get through that
Speaker 7: because I want the book. But yeah, it's really good,
Speaker 7: and there are historical sightings, which is a.
Speaker 8: Treat to read about.
Speaker 7: Yeah, a lot of a lot of sightings where the
Speaker 7: triangle then appears as a rectangle, which is super cool.
Speaker 7: So it's like shape shifting as it is traveling throughout
Speaker 7: the sky and as people are witnessing it.
Speaker 2: Oh that's cool.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2: I think it's safe to say that in the forties
Speaker 2: and fifties we probably didn't have these things.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I would think that was a new constant.
Speaker 2: I mean, unless there's a breakaway civilization out there, I'm
Speaker 2: going to say that our culture did not have these things.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that is a very primal symbol, the triangle,
Speaker 2: the circle square. I mean obviously very basic. There was
Speaker 2: a yep, going to try and remember a name, and
Speaker 2: so my brain won't give it to me because the
Speaker 2: other side of truth. Paul Kimball his idea was that
Speaker 2: the other is it's one singular thing, and that all
Speaker 2: these manifestations are just it's art project and it's basically
Speaker 2: putting on theater for us. I like the I like
Speaker 2: the concept. I don't know if it's right, but I
Speaker 2: definitely like the concept. I mean, this stuff really does
Speaker 2: speak in the same language that art does.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's why I think going at esoteric practices in
Speaker 7: the way that I'm doing, because like I am a researcher,
Speaker 7: this is very interesting, Like I have a background in
Speaker 7: this from childhood, but like I'm an artist and I'm
Speaker 7: trying to do this somewhat professionally where it allows me to.
Speaker 8: You know, do do the wu. I say that lovingly
Speaker 8: with my whole heart and soul.
Speaker 7: But what tangent that I just got off of looking
Speaker 7: at the phenomenon, especially because you have to flow what
Speaker 7: is Jeffrey Kreib will call it think impossibly.
Speaker 8: You have to kind of break.
Speaker 7: What you know in order to even conceive of something
Speaker 7: that like you have no kind of Rubert for it's
Speaker 7: just happening. And I think coming at it from an
Speaker 7: artistic standpoint, from a creative standpoint, and creativity is primal,
Speaker 7: So coming at it from like your your bare bones
Speaker 7: way of experiencing the world is it's a holistic practice,
Speaker 7: and I think it's a very important way to conceptualize
Speaker 7: this and then go forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's let's analytical more holistic. Because we got
Speaker 2: tons of data, the data doesn't really tell us much.
Speaker 8: And I'm not knocking data. The data is incredibly important.
Speaker 7: Absolutely we need Yeah, it needs to be a holistic
Speaker 7: practice and thankfully, like the artwork is allowing.
Speaker 8: Me to do that.
Speaker 2: It's also a lot about how, you know, people take
Speaker 2: these reports down, you know, regardless of what particular phenomena is,
Speaker 2: but they don't look to see like what effect did
Speaker 2: this have on the person long term? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: or what was going on in their life at the time.
Speaker 2: It's just oh, here's your report, okay, raw data, which
Speaker 2: is great, but now also you're leaving out the witness. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was sorry, there's.
Speaker 7: Well that was kind of the concept of the area
Speaker 7: of school documentary, where they had all this data like
Speaker 7: John Mack collected all that data correct, like he goes wrong,
Speaker 7: and but the children left school, like families were torn up,
Speaker 7: Like it changed the trajectory of all of these people's lives,
Speaker 7: and like we need outside of the phenomenon proper, Like
Speaker 7: you have to focus on what this does to the
Speaker 7: human being and how the.
Speaker 8: Human beings mind processes all of it.
Speaker 7: And it's happening so often that it's neglectful to not
Speaker 7: focus on that.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, I'm trying to think of his name, because name.
Speaker 2: My brain does this with names. If I need to name,
Speaker 2: it won't give it to me, but it'll give it
Speaker 2: to me later Onbidden I understand Tyson, who took over
Speaker 2: for sake and who just put out his UFO book.
Speaker 2: I can't remember the rest of his name. He's the
Speaker 2: big media guy that everyone goes to for like astronomy
Speaker 2: and stuff. Part of his name is Tyson, and I
Speaker 2: can't remember the rest of it. Yes, thank you. So
Speaker 2: I was watching an interview with him and he was
Speaker 2: talking about how he doesn't care about witnesses because witnesses
Speaker 2: are unreliable. Memory is unreliable, perception is unreliable. He's like
Speaker 2: the witnesses. Therefore, he goes, I don't even think witnesses
Speaker 2: should be used in court cases. I think witnesses are
Speaker 2: useless in this stuff. And I'm thinking, you don't get it.
Speaker 2: It's all about the subjective experience. The Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: very materialistic. It's the this must be space aliens. So
Speaker 2: if it's space aliens, you know, we need heart. You know.
Speaker 2: He kept saying, well, show me the alien, and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I I agree with the disclosure stuff. If you have something,
Speaker 2: show it because you've been you know, doing the character
Speaker 2: the string thing for a decade now, well longer than
Speaker 2: that to be fair. But like, when it comes down
Speaker 2: to someone's experience, it is what they experienced and what
Speaker 2: they got out of it, not whether or not you
Speaker 2: can physically prove that it was aliens. And again, this
Speaker 2: is where I think the hypnosis stuff does damage because
Speaker 2: it can create false memories and it can change the
Speaker 2: way the person views the experience from being an unknown
Speaker 2: to being necessarily something negative, especially if the researcher thinks
Speaker 2: it's something negative.
Speaker 7: I have a very complicated opinion on hypnosis, Like well,
Speaker 7: for compiling data and trying to get down to brass
Speaker 7: tacks like.
Speaker 8: It's incredibly problematic.
Speaker 7: But if someone isn't really looking for answers and they're
Speaker 7: just looking to get over the trauma, I think in
Speaker 7: a therapeutic.
Speaker 8: Sense, like I can't knock it because it help other people,
Speaker 8: but I you know, if it.
Speaker 2: Were Yeah, well, and that's the thing, like you can't
Speaker 2: take the data, you can't take it as data. If
Speaker 2: it lets you process the experience better, that's an entirely
Speaker 2: different thing, hopefully in a positive way instead of a
Speaker 2: negative way.
Speaker 7: But well, that also opens up some dialogue about psychedelic
Speaker 7: use and the experiences coming from psychedelic use.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely. And I was just gonna say hypnosis
Speaker 2: is an aulted state of consciousness. There is. I think
Speaker 2: Brent Rains talks about it, and it might have been
Speaker 2: a juon keel thing initially. I just remember Brent talking
Speaker 2: about it in one of his books. Psychiatrists had hypnotized
Speaker 2: a UFO abductee and at some point they said, there's
Speaker 2: a UFO outside right now, and so they got up
Speaker 2: and went outside and there was a UFO over the building,
Speaker 2: and so like that's one of those things where you go, what, Okay,
Speaker 2: So did they connect with that thing. Like red Pill
Speaker 2: Junkie has suggested that maybe under hypnosis people aren't reliving
Speaker 2: an experience, but actually having the experience because there is
Speaker 2: an altered state of consciousness and depending on how good
Speaker 2: the psychotherapists or whatever, and it really shouldn't be done
Speaker 2: by just amateurs, honestly, we'll determine how well that goes
Speaker 2: for them. So we got to take a quick break.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back with Danielle quick midshow break.
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Speaker 2: it on. As for a recommendation this week, I am
Speaker 2: going to go with a book called Fractal Noise and
Speaker 2: Fractal Noise is the prequel to a book I recommended before,
Speaker 2: which is To Sleep in a Sea of Stars. Now
Speaker 2: it's not as good as the original book. The first book,
Speaker 2: To Sleep and the See of Stars, is an epic,
Speaker 2: insanely big story, and I love it to death. This
Speaker 2: is sort of a different type of story. It's very focused,
Speaker 2: it's very bleak, and it seems like when I'm looking
Speaker 2: up what other people thought of it, they either loved
Speaker 2: it or hated it. There's not a lot in between.
Speaker 2: It's a as I said, it's a prequel. They referenced
Speaker 2: the events in this book in To Sleep in a
Speaker 2: See of Stars. And it's written by Christopher Paolini and
Speaker 2: it came out in twenty twenty three, and it's the
Speaker 2: second book in his fractoverse I guess it's going to
Speaker 2: be called and he's going to continue. I was a
Speaker 2: little upset that it didn't continue the story of To
Speaker 2: Sleep in a Sea of Stars, because it weaves off
Speaker 2: for the next part and he is going to write
Speaker 2: that apparently. But yeah, this one, this one's dark. It's
Speaker 2: it's it's it's I thought it really good. I don't
Speaker 2: know if I should recommend it to people. Are not.
Speaker 2: But I'm going to say, if you like really dark
Speaker 2: sci fi, his mole, but with like that hinge of
Speaker 2: hope running through it, you know something deeper. You might
Speaker 2: like this book, but read the other one first. The
Speaker 2: other one To Sleep and to See the Stars, even
Speaker 2: though it's really long, is really really good. Actually I
Speaker 2: would have been fine with being longer. But this is
Speaker 2: you know, they find this this hole on this planet
Speaker 2: or moon, I can't remember which it is, and it's
Speaker 2: it's giving out these heavy bursts of electromagnetic and audio
Speaker 2: energy and it seems to have a fractal pattern to it.
Speaker 2: So they decide they're going to go down and check
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Speaker 2: So you are listening to Where Did the Road Go?
Speaker 2: And I have with me Danielle Drake, and during the
Speaker 2: break I had mentioned I have tim Timothy Renner on
Speaker 2: probably next week, and he has a new book on
Speaker 2: basically the Fay phenomena not in Pennsylvania, which sounds kind
Speaker 2: of weird, but it was. His theory is that people
Speaker 2: bring their folklore with when they have these experiences they have.
Speaker 2: It's because they've brought that sort of mask of what
Speaker 2: they are, so they're not seeing them like the Native
Speaker 2: American people would see them. They're seeing them in their
Speaker 2: cultural narrative basically. And you had brought up the fact that,
Speaker 2: like Ireland and the Appalachians, at one point the mountain
Speaker 2: range was connected.
Speaker 7: Yeah when I don't know if this was Pangaea proper
Speaker 7: or one of the super continents, but the Appalachian Mountains
Speaker 7: and the mountain ranges in Ireland and Scotland are the same.
Speaker 8: And you know, if we're going.
Speaker 7: To Spitball, if the fay are tied to the land
Speaker 7: and they're you know, older than the trees when that
Speaker 7: split happened, what kind of cultural differences would have emerged
Speaker 7: from that movement and that displacement.
Speaker 2: That's really interesting. And I think a lot of this
Speaker 2: stuff is tied to I think, and I think we
Speaker 2: as well are tied to this planet. I think it's
Speaker 2: going you know, people are talking about going to Mars
Speaker 2: and I don't totally know if we can. I think
Speaker 2: we'll have.
Speaker 8: A perfectly good planet here.
Speaker 2: Well there's that too, But like I love the idea
Speaker 2: of exploring other planets. But I'm wondering, like how interconnected
Speaker 2: are we with this planet? Like if we get too
Speaker 2: far away from it, do we stop functioning?
Speaker 7: Yeah, Mars is not inhabitable. No, without some severe changes
Speaker 7: for us, the quality of life would be significantly reduced.
Speaker 2: Well, Like what I'm saying is like, are we is
Speaker 2: part of what we are part of the planet, and
Speaker 2: the faye or whatever this other stuff might be might
Speaker 2: also be a part of the planet.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it would be interesting to see how if they
Speaker 7: are timeless and you know, not bound to that kind
Speaker 7: of tot like you know, are linear time, how they
Speaker 7: would change with you know, however, they experience the passage of.
Speaker 8: What is time?
Speaker 2: That's a very good question. Time time. Time is a book,
Speaker 2: so you can hold it in your hand. It's all there.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think a video game is is a
Speaker 2: bet like an open world video game is a better
Speaker 2: example of that. Like you could you could have a
Speaker 2: drive with all of the data on it and it's
Speaker 2: but in order to go through that data and have
Speaker 2: it make any kind of sense, you have to experience
Speaker 2: it sequentially, and that's time. I also like that Seth
Speaker 2: the Seth material says time moves at the speed that
Speaker 2: we process our reality.
Speaker 7: That makes a lot of sense because there are time
Speaker 7: dilations in altered states and.
Speaker 2: Consciousness, right, and also just in basic consciousness. When you're
Speaker 2: really busy, time flies. When you're sitting around waiting, time crawls,
Speaker 2: So it's almost like the processor speed of your brain
Speaker 2: is how fast time moves and altered states are kind
Speaker 2: of like you know, like supercharging it. Now. One of
Speaker 2: the things you mentioned with your artwork to me was
Speaker 2: that it's exhausting.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well art work, Yeah, art work is exhausting. Having
Speaker 7: navigating the intricacies of our capitalist society while doing an
Speaker 7: artistic practice is very pretty exhausting.
Speaker 8: It's but but it's a it's a process.
Speaker 7: It's it's like I do call doing a creative endeavor,
Speaker 7: like the great work and focusing on the unknown is
Speaker 7: the great work. Yeah, cobbling and shifting things together is
Speaker 7: a chemical practice. But yeah, it can be very exhausting,
Speaker 7: but it's it's beautiful, it's fun. You have to have
Speaker 7: fun with the work that you're doing. It is a job,
Speaker 7: but it's fun.
Speaker 2: It's work, but it's fun, right, right, But you're also
Speaker 2: talking about the after effects.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so like when you make when when the way
Speaker 7: I see it is I kind of have a chaos
Speaker 7: magic lens on making artwork, Like you get into this
Speaker 7: this people call it the flow state, or like you
Speaker 7: try to push towards exaltion, and exaltion leads to nosis,
Speaker 7: which you know it's knowledge, and then this kind of
Speaker 7: transmuting and conquering this project that you're doing, or you know,
Speaker 7: the many abstract concepts that you're putting together, Like you
Speaker 7: go to nosis and and what do you do postnosis?
Speaker 7: I think that's everyone tries to just kind of view
Speaker 7: and reach exaltion and and the final point. But what
Speaker 7: happens afterwards is an interesting concept.
Speaker 2: I think, So, how do you usually feel once you've
Speaker 2: gotten a project done? Does it? Does it change you?
Speaker 8: Yes?
Speaker 7: But once a project is done, I kind of let
Speaker 7: it be on its own, like it's its own own
Speaker 7: entity of sorts, like uh, And I'm wondering if I'm
Speaker 7: kind of mentioning this because I do.
Speaker 8: I do wheel and deal and entity, but it's its.
Speaker 7: Own, it has its energy, and I think I kind
Speaker 7: of just let it be at that point. I'm not
Speaker 7: stranger to like revisiting a concept or reworking and they're
Speaker 7: letting it stagnate for a while. But I do think
Speaker 7: that artwork, when labored over intensely, is its own. It
Speaker 7: has its own objechood of intense energy.
Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense, especially especially a piece of art.
Speaker 7: I also, I mean, I don't just paint, but I
Speaker 7: do include a lot of mirrors in my work, and
Speaker 7: I do do mirror meditation, so.
Speaker 8: These are I do.
Speaker 7: I'm kind of heavy handed in that kind of like
Speaker 7: transference of energy.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, yeah, like mirrors or regular mirrors, regular mirrors.
Speaker 8: But I do have some black mirrors.
Speaker 7: I do have some like very silver mirrors that I
Speaker 7: use for practice alone.
Speaker 8: Like I don't meat on them or I don't, you know,
Speaker 8: use them in my artwork. But uh, it's a little kitsch.
Speaker 7: Like I I do use a lot of like like
Speaker 7: litter or color changing things, so I like different materials
Speaker 7: and things that kind of shift and move.
Speaker 8: Like it's very very heavy and intentions very It's very kitschy.
Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, But I know one of the things I
Speaker 2: wanted to get to before we run out of time
Speaker 2: is some of the folklore you've collected from this area. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you said a lot of it's haunted houses.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So outside of like what people have told me, which
Speaker 7: I kind of keep in confidence less they're overtly saying
Speaker 7: that I can talk about. So when I went to
Speaker 7: I went to the history center in like the Ethica
Speaker 7: comments area, and they were so kind to me and
Speaker 7: I was able to have anything on folklore pulled for
Speaker 7: me from their art tives. I spent three hours just
Speaker 7: kind of pouring over it. I wish I had more time,
Speaker 7: But the drive from Queens to.
Speaker 8: Anthica is it's a bit of a like but.
Speaker 7: So it's mostly you know, it was a lot of
Speaker 7: like there are some stories about Yuka cants. There's old
Speaker 7: Native American about the land and the water, and and
Speaker 7: there are areas in which are haunted, like older houses,
Speaker 7: which really interesting and reading that, and and then there
Speaker 7: were also like, you know, this is uh, this is
Speaker 7: a house for all the smugglarious live and whatnot. So
Speaker 7: I did get kind of a broader picture of older
Speaker 7: Ithaca and.
Speaker 8: Older Tomkins County, which was really interesting.
Speaker 7: My favorite one though was, uh, there was a giant
Speaker 7: that was unearthed in on a road that took up
Speaker 7: and what it was.
Speaker 8: Was a gaff.
Speaker 7: They this man opened up hotel and wanted to bring
Speaker 7: tourism to his hotel and he's like, how do I
Speaker 7: do this?
Speaker 8: So he makes this giant. He like he got iron
Speaker 8: ore butcher house, blood like pigs, blood.
Speaker 7: Phosphorus, some eggs and he made like he just like
Speaker 7: put it all together and he makes this giant. So
Speaker 7: it's and how it was described, it was just like
Speaker 7: the carving of a guy with really big feet, and
Speaker 7: it was just like a six to two guy, Like
Speaker 7: it wasn't really it wasn't like he was like eight
Speaker 7: feet or anything. It was just like a bigger guy
Speaker 7: with big feet. And so they were digging up the
Speaker 7: road to pay it so like more you know, traffic
Speaker 7: could come in. And so he calls up his friends
Speaker 7: and they help him bury this thing under the root
Speaker 7: of a tree, and like a couple of days later,
Speaker 7: like when they're doing roadwork, they like dig this thing
Speaker 7: up and they're.
Speaker 8: Like, oh my god, it's a giant and it works.
Speaker 8: Like people are coming to this hotel.
Speaker 7: Like everyone's like, oh my god, it is a giant,
Speaker 7: Like this is amazing, Like this.
Speaker 8: Is so wow.
Speaker 7: And then one of his friends that helped him bury it,
Speaker 7: like a couple of months later, gets drunk at a
Speaker 7: bar and it's.
Speaker 8: Like, yeah, that was all fake, so ruined.
Speaker 7: But that's also like the hodag in Wisconsin with the
Speaker 7: gaff or fake siting. There there have been a lot
Speaker 7: of like American folklore like you make a you make
Speaker 7: a fake siting to draw.
Speaker 8: Up tourism to your area, right, and you.
Speaker 7: Know what, I'll eat it up too. I love that stuff,
Speaker 7: like I am sad that at stake, But you know,
Speaker 7: it's still kind of in the local folklore. People love
Speaker 7: the whole dag. Yeah, so we could have had the
Speaker 7: Ethica Giant.
Speaker 2: I mean, there are there are Native American legends of
Speaker 2: giants in this area, and as far as I know,
Speaker 2: they did dig up a bunch of giants, especially headed
Speaker 2: out towards Ohio. That's I mean. But that stuff's all
Speaker 2: over the US.
Speaker 7: Honestly, there's there's like a the what is it The
Speaker 7: Nephilin are having a kind of a comeback right now,
Speaker 7: especially with like the internet star seed movement. We're talking
Speaker 7: about like what was the alien type of speechies that
Speaker 7: was tied to the Nephelin or something.
Speaker 8: I'm forgetting.
Speaker 7: I'm not I'm actually I'm not very privy on star
Speaker 7: seed folklore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not me either.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but there was there was a really good article
Speaker 7: that I read about it and kind of the examination
Speaker 7: of kind of internet.
Speaker 8: Kind of the how do I say.
Speaker 7: It, the New Age movement in the Internet age, like
Speaker 7: two day in the in the mid twenty twenties, and
Speaker 7: you know the star Seeds, but the star Seed movement
Speaker 7: obviously didn't start recently.
Speaker 2: That was this is the star seed the people who
Speaker 2: think they're not human.
Speaker 7: They are are human, but they're reincarnated so that they
Speaker 7: were not human.
Speaker 2: In Okay, Okay.
Speaker 8: And I think that comes from like the Indigo Children of.
Speaker 2: The Apes, right, Yeah, Jenny Randalls wrote a book I
Speaker 2: think called star Children or whatever. That's great, and that
Speaker 2: was basically what it was. Whether or not this makes
Speaker 2: any sense.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's like there's there's a few popular air quotes
Speaker 7: again interdimensional species that are seeing a rise right now,
Speaker 7: and and one of them is like a giant type
Speaker 7: that had.
Speaker 8: Had its hands in the creation of humans all.
Speaker 7: Actually again, I'm just stick falling off the top of
Speaker 7: my head from like what I know.
Speaker 8: Sure, yeah, yep, giants. Wow, you mentioned that big guys.
Speaker 2: You mentioned the Yuga canons and that I wasn't familiar with.
Speaker 2: I'm very familiar with the Senemic cannons. I didn't realize
Speaker 2: that the booms were heard in Kyuga too.
Speaker 7: So I because I was talking to Jim of the
Speaker 7: Seneca Lakes podcast when I first was told about like
Speaker 7: my acceptance of this project and so he mentioned to
Speaker 7: the booms at Seneca Lake. But when I put out
Speaker 7: my first call of like, hey, does anyone see anything
Speaker 7: in Ithaca, I heard about the Kyabac cannons. And there
Speaker 7: was also people being like, they don't happen in Cayuga Lake,
Speaker 7: and people were like, yes they did.
Speaker 8: And I think Cornell even looked into it too. But
Speaker 8: there is a so there's a legend that.
Speaker 7: It's a Native American legend that there was a woman
Speaker 7: who really liked Uh, like was you know, fawning over
Speaker 7: a warrior, and he did not like her. He was
Speaker 7: rejecting her advances. And when she got old and ugly,
Speaker 7: what it said is that he pushed her off like
Speaker 7: a cliff and into the lake and killed her. And
Speaker 7: the great spirit took said that she had suffered enough,
Speaker 7: and so she was a spirit of the lake and
Speaker 7: as over over time she fashioned a hammer to cause
Speaker 7: cause that noise to knock people into the lake, and
Speaker 7: you know, and she was kind of a beneful spirit.
Speaker 8: So that's the story that I read about that a
Speaker 8: couple of times in the In New York.
Speaker 7: There there were a few like jilted lover Uh folklore
Speaker 7: stories where like a woman becomes the spirit of a
Speaker 7: tree or they're like in linked So that was interesting.
Speaker 8: But yeah, that's uh, the cannon's I.
Speaker 7: Didn't I didn't hear the cannons when I was up there,
Speaker 7: but I've been told that they're there.
Speaker 8: I don't know if it's gas pockets in the lake,
Speaker 8: I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: It's hard to say. Yeah, I've honestly never heard about
Speaker 2: them in Kyu. Guy, I've heard about them in Seneca.
Speaker 2: I don't think i've ever heard them. I mean, there's
Speaker 2: been a couple of things where I'm like, well, that
Speaker 2: could have been. But you know, there's so much stuff
Speaker 2: around now, it's hard to say what's making noise. They
Speaker 2: used to be used to be a military based north
Speaker 2: of here, and I remember being home and they I
Speaker 2: guess they were doing testing of ammunition and stuff, and
Speaker 2: it was shaking the house. It sounded like there was
Speaker 2: someone upstairs in my house. And it turned out it
Speaker 2: was just them doing ammunition's test. So, you know, like
Speaker 2: it's hard to say, you know, in this day and age,
Speaker 2: what's what? You know, plenty of things can make loud booms.
Speaker 2: I did have, Man, it was like twenty nineteen. There
Speaker 2: was a boom so loud it shook the whole house,
Speaker 2: knocked plastered down from the ceiling, vibrated all the windows.
Speaker 2: I just assumed it was something like a meteorite blowing
Speaker 2: up in the air, but I mean it was. It
Speaker 2: was dramatic. It sounded like half my house collapsed.
Speaker 8: Did you look.
Speaker 2: At the time. I did, and I didn't see anything,
Speaker 2: and I didn't see any other reports of it. I mean,
Speaker 2: I have it on my cameras. I mean it it
Speaker 2: is visible and not only audible, but visible because you
Speaker 2: can see the plaster falling off the ceiling, like just
Speaker 2: bits of it kind of trickling down. Unfortunately, I only
Speaker 2: had a couple of cameras, but even the camera I
Speaker 2: had outside of my studio, the window shook so violently
Speaker 2: that like everything just vibrates because it was right up
Speaker 2: against the window. But I don't know if that counts
Speaker 2: as cannons or not. As far as gas pockets, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's certainly a possibility. I don't think anyone's proved there
Speaker 2: are the gas pockets to do it or not. There's
Speaker 2: And I mean how the lakes were formed too. I mean,
Speaker 2: they'll tell you that they were carved out by glaciers,
Speaker 2: but Randall Carlson, who's actually doing a tour in August
Speaker 2: September of the Finger Lakes in western New York, showing
Speaker 2: that this was actually that the lakes were actually carved
Speaker 2: out by meltwater, not ice, And there's hundreds of feet
Speaker 2: of sediment at the bottom of the lake from it
Speaker 2: as well. So I don't know, you know, like, I
Speaker 2: don't think anyone really These lakes are so deep despite
Speaker 2: being so thin, and they are very unw usual structure
Speaker 2: in the landscape, and they do look like fingers.
Speaker 8: They're very unusual looking and.
Speaker 2: For some reason. And even Watkins Glen at the bottom
Speaker 2: of Seneca Lake has some weird stuff to do it too,
Speaker 2: But I think that seems a lot weirder than then
Speaker 2: than Watkins.
Speaker 7: I spent some time near Walkins. I also spend some
Speaker 7: time in the Adirondacks. The whole of the state is
Speaker 7: just its teeming activity.
Speaker 2: So when when you do art about this stuff, do
Speaker 2: you feel like it's a now chemical process?
Speaker 7: You know, well, there is a transmutation type of thing,
Speaker 7: and like you know, when you look at the chemical process,
Speaker 7: like uh, subjectively, uh, theoretically, yeah, there is a changing uh,
Speaker 7: there is a changing from raw material to a finer
Speaker 7: material to the great.
Speaker 8: I would call it godhood, the.
Speaker 7: Purple, the end, the end point, because yeah, there's it
Speaker 7: is a spiritual transmutation.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, Okay have you not thought about it like
Speaker 2: that before?
Speaker 7: To verbalize it is is a bit difficult because you
Speaker 7: know you will person you want to go through colors
Speaker 7: like black, red into yellow, which is that's kind of
Speaker 7: how how.
Speaker 8: The stages go. But the refinement of the energy.
Speaker 7: And the practice of yeah, it is chemical process creation
Speaker 7: of a large, complicated project is a transmutation.
Speaker 2: So let me give you an impossible question. Boy, what
Speaker 2: do you think this stuff is?
Speaker 8: It is something we exist with? Okay, yeah, that's it
Speaker 8: is something we exist with. It's part of our reality.
Speaker 8: That's that's your answer.
Speaker 2: All right, Okay, that's fair. Have you had any weird
Speaker 2: experiences with psychedelics?
Speaker 8: No comment?
Speaker 2: All right, okay, We've talked about that those type of
Speaker 2: things a lot on this show. That's that's the psychedelic
Speaker 2: angle was very interesting because I've had.
Speaker 8: I've had psychedelic experiences. Have I talked to any entities?
Speaker 7: No, I have not.
Speaker 2: Okay, have I have?
Speaker 7: I blessed myself into other realms, yes, and and but.
Speaker 8: You know, okay, so I do. I am currently completely
Speaker 8: off of breything right now, But.
Speaker 7: I do think using psychedelics therapeutically teaches you about how
Speaker 7: your brain processes thing, and it gives you a bit
Speaker 7: of experience into how your body works and how your body.
Speaker 7: You get in a in tune with how the brain
Speaker 7: and body connection works a little bit better. Would I
Speaker 7: any sort of weird phenomenon that I would see in
Speaker 7: an altered state like that, I wouldn't regard as something
Speaker 7: that I would bring up in kind of like.
Speaker 8: An experience or discussion.
Speaker 7: I've imvibed in something, and that's that's the way it is.
Speaker 7: If we're talking about commonalities in a psychedelic experience.
Speaker 8: Then that can come up.
Speaker 7: But like, no, I'm not going to be like, you know,
Speaker 7: I saw a thing outside and I am completely earnestly
Speaker 7: and honestly saying that it was there.
Speaker 8: No, I'm not going to.
Speaker 2: Say that right Well, sure, yeah, but.
Speaker 7: I do think therapeutic psychedelics are very helpful for a
Speaker 7: lot of people, even if just learning about brain body.
Speaker 2: I can't remember who it was that had the UFO experience.
Speaker 2: He and someone else were on LSD or whatever and
Speaker 2: they both saw the same UFO. That's interesting, and it
Speaker 2: was someone famous, but I can't remember who it was.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's very possible that that psychedelics are just
Speaker 2: allowing us to pick up more of what's in the
Speaker 2: environment around us. Absolutely, because it is changing the way
Speaker 2: your brain works.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's a transl like state where you can
Speaker 7: you can kind of kin it to a translate state.
Speaker 2: And I also think that the like even with stuff
Speaker 2: that I mean, any of this stuff, even if it
Speaker 2: turns out to be paradolia, is still telling you something
Speaker 2: about how your brain is working.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, I don't get paradolia in an altered state like that,
Speaker 7: But when I'm completely exhausted, like I've gone moose to
Speaker 7: forty eight hours without sleep, I get paradolia very hard.
Speaker 7: And so to know that indicator and to know what
Speaker 7: my brain is gravitating towards because it knows that I'm unsafe.
Speaker 7: So like you know, I'm in an altered state. I'm unsafe.
Speaker 7: So I'm trying to look for threats or something like
Speaker 7: I'm seeing XYZ Like that's interesting. What does my brain
Speaker 7: gravitate towards in that kind of regard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but it's also like it's a way of
Speaker 2: your paradolia, is a way of your subconscious to kind
Speaker 2: of like talk to you you know it, or at
Speaker 2: least tell you what kind of state it's in in
Speaker 2: a sense, you know, like all of this stuff become
Speaker 2: symbolic and artistic because that's the language. Use it, the
Speaker 2: same language that magic uses. We are almost out of time,
Speaker 2: and tell people again what your website is Daniel.
Speaker 8: Drink dot com.
Speaker 2: And it's d r ai K yes uh.
Speaker 7: And my social media handle in pretty much every place
Speaker 7: is art of d Drake and that's also d r
Speaker 7: a I K. I'm mostly on Instagram and Bluesky and
Speaker 7: I'm currently trying to work on a web one point
Speaker 7: zero website, so.
Speaker 8: That'll be.
Speaker 2: And your your residency is where and when?
Speaker 8: It is at the Constance Saltan Stall Foundation for the
Speaker 8: Arts in Ithaca, the outside of Ithaca, and it will
Speaker 8: be in the month of October, so the open house
Speaker 8: will be on the eighteen.
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Speaker 2: I talked to about the book, I don't remember if
Speaker 2: it was last week's show or not. I said August.
Speaker 2: It's probably gonna be closer to September, I am. I
Speaker 2: have Suzanne Chancellor who kindly offered to edit it for me,
Speaker 2: So she's going through just making some corrections and making
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Speaker 2: So I might push it back a little bit, but
Speaker 2: I'm still hoping to get it out before Alba Twitch,
Speaker 2: which is in October. All right, to take you out tonight,
Speaker 2: we're going to hear a band called a Nabasis. They
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Speaker 2: some more stuff, which would be great because they only
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