Speaker 1: Hello ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Last
of Reviews, Episode five, season two. I'm the I'm gonna
fucking kill you a dress now, and I'm joined by
the where is she kirklum Pancer at least seeing a
couple of movies. I guess you didn't get see Dexter
season two but our original Sin. But yeah, here we
are myself and mister Passer again. You know, deal's not
cut up tears. Who knows where he's in? Dog shit? Man,
it's just contexts. Yeah, I'm gonna tell me. He's always like, man,
you're always some mean to him. Well, you know, one,
he's time me multiple times. He deserves it. But like,
I just feel like the things Taylor could flex about
his life he rarely does, and the things he has
to because he's been talking about Tiger ice cream, right
and he's just Tiger big no no for me. Yeah,
I'm not. I'm with Kirkling black licorice, Like, I'll look
a thousand assholes before I get to eat black licorice,
you know, Like, and that's after assholes too, black liquorice. No,
So like he sensed this and he's like it's an
ice cream cone. He's like, oh, Mother's Day, tiger car,
which I don't even know why he's I don't understand
if it's Father's Day. But he's like, why are you
eating the ice cream? Like why is he like, look
at mother's damn fucking eating good or whatever. So he's doing,
you know, with Madison and his family everything like that,
but he sends it phose ice cream. I guess it
did look like right with ice cream. It was a
tiger tiger and then a brown on top, and it
was like melted and licked everything. But just the way
it looked, it looked like a dog shit. And then
I said that he just got defense by way like oh, well,
you know, Moloks was in the best service and I
lickd it already. You know. It's like, well, I understand
you licked it. It's just like the way he was
looking like he sent it in a way it felt like,
oh look what I got, guys, And I was like, no,
like you you unsold me again on this, you know, especially.
Speaker 2: That we already established that we both don't like tiger
and he's trying to sell this tiger ice cream and
it's not even a nice photo of tiger ice cream.
Like there's better photos where I'd be like, yeah, it
looks good. I'm sure it tastes like you said after work.
Speaker 1: Thousands tweet to tweet this when I've shared the link
for this episode, and I'm gonna show everybody right now.
Speaker 2: And we give a hard time because he's not here
to defend himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's missing the cash. You know, look at that.
Speaker 2: That's not cute, Like come on now, that's like some
cheese that's been left out of one. Yeah, room temperature.
This photo about that is the cone.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. This photo looks something like when you
go to the doctor and say, hey, doc, I need
you to see something up your pants. And this is
what's looking like right now. This is looking like, yeah,
this is some alien hybrid in the next alien movie,
like and look at this, guys, And yeah, then he
went to the defense. But that's okay. But yeah, we
are here to talk about last time. Mother's Day to
all the mothers wherever you are, and happy to all
the people. Love tie your ice cream. But yeah we're here.
So next couple of weeks, hopefully to be back next
week cause I think next week I got a gimmick record.
So I think next week I'll be I'll be a
mushing back to one. But then we got there, just.
Speaker 2: The one constant on these last of us you are.
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did you appreciate this episode? Obviously last week was a tense,
lots of uh, lots of Biden going on. And I'm
not talking about the clickers, no, I'm just joking. Yeah,
you got Ellie and Dina, you know, admitting their love
to each other, getting it on. You got lots of
clickers going on. They got to Seattle. Uh so, what
do you think about this follow up? As this is
the third last episode of season We're round and down
to home.
Speaker 2: You know it's coming too quick? Yeah, no, I'm I.
I still really appreciated this episode. I think this was
the first episode and the string of episodes where it
felt like a little bit of switching gears to a slower,
slower momentum. Not that like the pacing of the episode
was slow in comparison to even last weeks, but I
just feel like my overall like, holy shit, it's getting
crazy here, Like it just felt like we kind of
took a breath, even though there was a lot of good,
suspenseful moments in here. I think it ended really really strong,
but it really wasn't until like the last Yeah, like
the last section of the episode where I really felt
like I was, you know, rubbing the old palms together
and like, all right, let's fucking go here. This is
this is getting this is getting me going. And yeah,
I think the reason for that is everything in here.
I don't know, it's in my mind. This sounds weird
because it just feels like adding know, onto last week's episode,
which I guess every week kind of does that to
an extent in a season, you know, it's it's all
one story that it's telling, But this one, it just
really didn't feel like we moved a lot of places.
It just felt like a little add on to the
adventure from last week. And that's not a negative by
any means. It just it was an overall shift in
my just feeling. But while watching this, it felt like
I didn't get a lot out of this week until
kind of like the last section. But I don't know, overall,
it's still really really good quality. I'm I'm I'm looking
forward to next week's episode, but I I'm kind of
mixed on the feeling of it. I think, well, you know,
you can talk about that when we get into spoilers,
just because it really shows like, hey, this is next week,
and it's like okay, Like I I kind of am
looking forward to that, but at the same time, it's like, Okay,
I don't know. I'm also would have been a little
bit giddier to maybe go in a different direction, but
it is necessary. I think the stuff that we are
going to be covering, I think part of me maybe
wish that we got that this week, just because I've
kind of been looking forward to it, but yeah, no,
it's it's still really good. Bella Ramsey's fantastic Isabella Isabella right,
not Isabelle. Isabelle said Dina, she was fantastic Isabella Mercella.
I think I've been saying as a bell So that's
my bad too. So Cas is just great and yeah,
just just some good tense moments. I feel like this
episode was the first episode maybe this season, where I'm like, oh, man,
this scene's just too dark for me. I don't know,
like there's a lot of darkness in the show, but
like there's just a string of stuff going on where
I was like, ah, like maybe it was just bright out.
You know, I should have closed the blinds, really got
that glare out of the screen. But it just it
reminded me of some like a House of Dragons episode
I think it was from season one, where it was
just like, fuck, man, this is way too dark. You
can't see anything's going on.
Speaker 1: Which is awesome. It's different aus the video game of Man,
there's so much stuff that it's just so much brighter
and awesome because the video game you can just you
literally change any There's there's no like on set you
gotta make this done. But uh, you know, I think
I agree with you. I think overall, I really liked
the episode. I think, well, I'm excited to talk about
some of the changes because I'm with Mike on the
discord and other people where there's some changes that they've
made from the game where I just feel like it's
just changes for the sake of changes. And then there's
one change in here that I enjoyed and I understood,
but there's some stuff that's it's odd. I'm excited that
when we like if we I think they do those
sit downs whatnot. But I feel like I want to
hear more from the game creators of maybe they don't
have a choice, but just certain things why they're changed
by digress. But yeah, I know this is a great episode.
I think, Yeah, there was lots of kind of I think.
I think it's kind of divided in half. I think
the first half is very much an exposition character development,
but more in a character development of like I'm going
to tell you a story, We're going to talk about this,
not so much as seeing stuff. But then the second
half lots more action, lots more reveals, and lots more
situations and some things that have been fans been waiting
for because it's stuff that happened in the first game
that they didn't even cover in the first season. So
it's been interesting. But yeah, no, they continue to both
be great. It was interesting a way for Spoils on
that one because they just made a choice. I'll just
say they gave it's it's difficult. They gave Diana more
screen time. There's a certain section in the game that
she does not join Ellie on it's just an Ellie
centric mission, but she joined here and I think it's
a good thing because you get more chemistry with them
and you hear more story. But there were times, because
I've heard people talk about this, I don't necessarily agree,
so maybe it's just someone supplanting the idea in my mind.
But this episode felt like this where I feel like,
for the first half Ellie was not the main character
of the show. And that's happened a few times where
I've seen people like show examples of Yeah, Dina is
like taking over quite a bit, But I wonder if
that's because of something that happened in this episode that
might don't worry, it's not chole level, but just something
that might make that character busy for a little bit.
I'm not sure. I really don't know, but yeah, I digress.
I thought it was a good episode, maybe not as
strong as last week, but yeah, I'm very well. Yeah again,
I'm wait to spoils. I can't say I'm very excited
for next week. I'm sure, like you said, it will
serve its purpose. I think it's just I guess I
could be more excited if I knew. And the last
of US three was where someone's gonna happen next week,
and then we get the finale, and then it's like, man,
are we gone for another two to three years? You
know that's the issue, especially with this one. We know
it's not gonna be like a You could watch season
one and be done with it, right, there's stuff like
left hanging, but you could be done and end the
story there, hence the game endy there, right, But we're
not doing that with season two. We're gonna leave. I
don't even know what it's gonna be on a cliffhanger,
but we know that this is not like at least
two seasons. They've said maybe three years coming the second game,
so we know that next week you're gonna end in
some sort of you know, I would say unsatisfied way,
because you can still have a cliffhinger and do all
the like. Just because you don't completely answer everything, doesn't
mean you're not satisfied, but just in a way where
you're gonna be wanting left more. But I wonder if
it's like if it's in the way of like, let's
say you have a good meal and you're like, fuck,
I'd have that again, versus let's say you had a
good half million, like, oh, that's good, but I'm still
kind of hungry. That's my only worry about next week
in the week after, because next week I think they're
gonna flush out some flesh out, flesh out some stories
that aren't in the game. So that's where it's like, Okay,
I think that'll give us some great character stuff, But
I don't know how vital it's gonna be going towards,
you know, because even the Bob episode, right, like, I
think there's some themes that were, you know, great that
they touched upon, But technically you could take all that
episode and that doesn't change anything for Joel and Nelle. Right,
was it Bob from season one? Oh? Bill oh Bill,
thank you Bill. Sorry Bill Frank, great episode set up
the world, heavy on the themes, but you could technically
take that episode out and it don't change anything for
Joel and Ellie, right, And I'm not saying don't take
that episode out. That episode's a great waner. But also
I think that came at it like you're saying the
placing a better time. I don't know if you know,
I don't care, it's my I suppose next week's a
flashback episode. We'll just say that. And that's where it's
just like, as the penultimate episode, that's an interesting place
to put it. So I hope they kind of justify it.
And that's just my worry of you get that and
then finale, and I just feel like I don't want
to feel not in the sense of all one more
so excited, like oh yeah, like I'm a little under baked,
like I needed a bit more before we said goodbye
these characters for another two years and then we're back.
But maybe not, Maybe that season's gonna be closer to
I don't know. I haven't heard much scheduling. Mill look
while we're talking, but anything else non spoilers, No, I
don't think, so all right, so we're gonna take our
first ad break and then we'll be right back diving
into the nitty gritty and we are back, all right,
So you want to just start there because I kind
of talked about a little bit, but yeah, thoughts on
next week being ah, it looks like a flashbackup so
because like we know, Joel's not fucking alive. You know,
if people don't, if you are for some reason listening,
you know, to spoils a hand seen episode, they don't
care what happens is we're gonna get to it. Some
dad's going on with La cuts the black and then
there's a knock at the door or a door door opens.
It's Ellie's sleeping and stroll being like hey kiddo, and
she's all happy. So it's obviously gonna be going back
to a time where things were much better for the two.
Speaker 2: So and it is so brighton there reminds me of
like when Frodo wakes up and like sees you know,
Sam Gandelf's you.
Speaker 1: Can't remember well that again. Watch a lot of the
rings were drinking. He says everyone's name. He does not
fucking say legs the name. He has no idea who
that man is, no idea. He never talked to him once.
I haven't read the book in a long because I
got the audiobook. Do you remember recall fro and Leg
like I actually talked.
Speaker 2: I can't remember remember for like one hundred percent, but
I'm pretty sure he doesn't.
Speaker 1: So that's it's something like Thor and Black Widow. I'm
pretty sure he was showing in the INFINITYA saga they
never once talked to each other like one on one.
Everybody else does, but not them. So you know, we
all got those colleagues at work. But I was gonna say,
before you go that scene that you're saying it was
too dark. They took all the brightness from that scene
and put it into the end scene.
Speaker 2: That's where it all went.
Speaker 1: It makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I kind of was alluding to it
in this spoiler free spot. It's just especially to have
this week like end. I feel like the last second
the episode was really tense, which is like the Ellie
and Norah situation, and then it just yeah, like you said,
it goes with face of black and then instead of
continuing on from that, I know for a fact, all
my waiting for next Sunday is just gonna lead up
to this flashback episode where I'm kind of torn because
I've been wanting this all season. Like that was something
that I was like, I mean, I've obviously sad Joel died,
but I was also just upset because I just don't
have Pedro for like any of the season really, like
he's really not a part of the season beyond that
first episode, Like you know, he's in episode two, but
even for the most part, he's just just standing there.
He's just a victim.
Speaker 1: And it's weird because in the game it feels a
lot more and I can't remember because the game's obviously
like forty to sixty hours, right, so it's all kind
of spider in my mind. But they do like multiple
flashbacks in the game, so I kind of thought they
were going to go that route in the show of
like Sprinkle, I'm in there, a scene here, a scene there,
and maybe maybe that's better. Maybe for the show they're like, oh,
we want to do like a full hour of it,
but it has at the same point, I guess they
won't to feel like you're actually missing him, right, So
in a game, I can go stretch of eight hours
and not see Joel or this it's like, you know,
forty minutes fifty minutes. So maybe that's the idea, but
I thought even just for the show's benefit to keep
people engaged, they might have pedro around more.
Speaker 2: But no, Yeah, I feel like, I mean, I'll have
to judge it for next week or sorry after next week.
But I feel like I personally would have maybe liked
it more getting sprinkled in throughout because I watched the
first I don't know three episodes and then rewatched them
with Shake because she wasn't caught up then, and I
like I had watched like a recap of season one
because I was just like fuzzy on it up until
that point. So I felt like those heavy sequences when
we lose Joel, it hit me so much harder. And
then like the next episode when Ellie is like seeing
his clothing, like just because he was so recently in
my mind, Like those scenes were just hitting so much harder,
and I feel like we just I don't know, looking
back on the last few weeks, I feel like there's
many moments you could easily spice in, like you know,
how this episode kind of ended just like a quick
little kiddo thing, just like her looking in the direction,
and then just picturing Joel there, and then it just
reminds us all that we just got, you know, Joel
got taken from us way too early, and we fucking
hate Abby. Yeah, just a little reminder of that. So yeah,
I think I can safely say I would preferred that there,
but you know, maybe I'll wait and see till next week.
Maybe next week's a ten and a ten episode and
it's like, man, I was so wrong.
Speaker 1: What they did here is perfect, but it could be
right because the Bill and Franklin was like that where
it's just a great episode, so it could be. And
then we know it sounds like we're gonna have more
than Catherine O'Hara, so that'll always be good.
Speaker 2: So Eugene, I'm sure too. Yeah, I'll never leave us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure we will. So let's see. Uh,
super Mice is almost sure. The reason it's one flashback
episode is they pay patro Per episode.
Speaker 2: Hmmm.
Speaker 1: I guess that's so interesting, right, I guess, And Mike,
you're probably right as far as I wonder why it
can't work to be like we're gonna because because couldn't
you just still like, let's say you film, let's say
next week, he's on screen for fifty seven minutes, Like
it's so interesting that you would film fifty seven minutes
and pay him in a bulk like pay a one
time amount. But if you were to spread that throughout episodes,
you couldn't still do that one time amount. But I
think Mike might be right because I remember I don't
know if you recall, but back in the day when
the Snyer Cut was first come out, do you remember
they originally it was a six episode series and then
they just changed the dropping a whole movie. Do you
remember that.
Speaker 2: I'm a little fuzzy on that.
Speaker 1: But when it was first announced, Snyder said they were
going to do it as a series on HBO Max
and it was gonna be weekly. But then the rumor
was and at least I talked to some people that
have confirmed that for me that because of certain contracts
and episodes and whatnot, that's why they didn't do it,
because having to pay people. So I guess that's it too,
because you can make the argument of Okay, sure it's
the same amount of time, but every week you're using
my face to keep people there, pull them in. So yeah, no,
that's a good point, Mike of why I guess it
doesn't work. Again, we talk about lighting same thing in
video game stuff, like what's the name Troy Baker just
comes in and record his line. They just spread that
throughout the game. Right, he's gonna be like, well, you
only you pay me per scene here, Neil Druckman. You know,
it's like, so, yeah, no, that's a good point. So
in that case, they should pay him at more. You'll
get them a little bit. But again, busy guy, right,
Mando F four Materialists, He's always in a bunch of stuff.
This guy is working hard. So but yeah, I'll be
excited to see him back because I think we might
get him back one more time next year. Again, there's
still a scene him waiting to happen, which they've not
confirmed if it's changed from the game or they're just
holding it. But the thing is, for me, it's just
like if they're holding it again, it's like it's a
long hole because it's gonna be a few years. It's
just gonna feel like, all right, that happened, But you know,
maybe maybe we'll pay off. But yeah, I know, we're
gonna maybe we'll just do something weird. We're gonna just
keep at the back and keep working our way forward.
So in this we had Ellie. Uh, we'll get to
there in a second. Maybe, OK, we'll jump to the
warehouse because that's where we'll go there because it's kind
of an events. It's gonna feel weird if I don't
talk about Jesse and the Tarantino fashion. So, uh, they
make this plan. Okays the situation which it's like, it's
like a no dub. They even know that the characters, right,
but they're like wolves are camped over here. Nothing in
the warehouse. There's gotta be something in here, right Uh.
In the game it's one. That's why I was gonna
say you at least just alone. Dina stays back because
she's like feeling too prego to go, and then in
the game it's actually just wolves, like it's just like
more soldiers. But then in this it's like the smart
clickers or the stalkers. They put them in there, which
to me both obviously we'll get to it. Both things
make sense as far as uh, Dina going, I feel
like you just get more screen time with them together.
You add on the chemistry. I like the two characters,
so that makes sense of her just like I'm gonna
stay back here. And I feel like now them shooting
her the arrow was them doing that of like she
can no longer go, you know, like that was them
doing that. So it's like okay, but uh and this
it makes sense from like a cinematic point of view
if you're like playing against like playing against wolves and
stalkers are very different than the games. But I just
feel like, if you're making a show for people, this
is a show that already it only has like doesn't
have like a lot of clickers or zombies, right, like
has the Themount, but there's many episodes where they're in
there for a little bit or they go missing. So
I thought it was probably a better choice to make
it a bunch of you know, infected people than just
like a couple, you know, a few soldiers, same thing
plays out, Jesse comes and saves her. But uh so
that's the change there that instead of soldiers it's clicker
you know, soccers. And I thought that was good because
it was a good reveal of all there's one and
then eve. When you see two, you're like, Okay, that
changes the situation because I think Ellie makes a terrible
plan where she's like, well, let's split up again every
horror movie's taught you. And then the idea is, well,
we're gonna wait for one to rush you and then
we'll like ransack the other one. But it's like these
things are fat, Like what do you mean wait for
the other one to rush you? Like, I feel like
there's so many like issues of that plan. I would
have just been like, yeah, we stay inside by side,
or just use Ellie's a fucking shield and figure it out.
You can't get She's even like, oh I can get
a bit A lot of times that Ky then stand
in front of me, I have a knife, let's go.
But then great reveal they see a second You're like, okay,
that changed plan. But then there's like at least a
dozen of them in there, and then you know why
they don't go there. So I thought overall was a
good scene pacing and reveal wise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely, I like the reveal of like multiple
It was good tension build up of even just the one,
because like, yeah, if like Belly gets if Belly, if
Ellie gets bit, then Finn. Yeah, But like if Dina
gets bit, then like that that's a huge factor. So
I thought even having just the one stalker there was
good tension, and then yeah, it obviously spiraled into an
uncontrollable situation. And yeah, like when Ellie's like, oh I
can bit, I can get bit. So many times it's
just like that is such a horrible plan, Like what
if they just bite you right in the fucking juggler
or something like I know, yeah, yeah exactly, or like
just infection overall, Like it seems even if you don't
get infected for a zombie, like your wound could just
get infected. It just seems so uh, something that did
not make sense. So it you you confirming that it
was you know, a different threat in that sequence makes
a lot more sense to me because it's just seems
so ridiculous, like the initial plan. I was really surprised
when Jesse showed up though. That was like, I don't know,
just the idea of I don't know, like in hindsight,
it makes sense that him and Tommy would have, you know,
went and chased after these two, but in the moment,
that was like the last person I would have expected.
I thought it was just gonna be I don't even know,
like a Wolf member or something like someone that we've
already seen before, fucking Abby who knows. So I was
pretty pretty shocked for that reveal.
Speaker 1: Which again I don't understand. Jesse's there saves them and
they're like, you're here alone with Tommy. So I don't
really understand why they changed it from the game where
Tommy went after the wolves and then they linked out
with Tommy later on. I don't know if it's just
because I guess they did those town scenes where they
did the vote and all that stuff, and maybe they
want Tommy there, but it just felt again, I don't
know why to change it. You're the the end results
the same as far as in the game, Tommy goes first,
they follows tracks this one. Elli and Dina go first,
Tommy comes and they they meet up at the theater.
So just feels odd. Again. That's where it's If it's
not that it's like a negative, I would just like
to know, like, hey, why was this change made? You know,
because you have the actor he was in more like
in the game he's in less the thing happens Joel here, like, fuck,
I'm going out to these people, and he's gone, and
this he was in more, he's in the town, he's
talking with Ellie, So maybe they just won that scene.
But it's like him and Ellie still have like in
the games when they meet up, they still have those
scenes where they talk about Joel. So very curious why
some of these changes were made. But yeah, because at
first I thought, okay, it's Jesse there alone, that's still
changed where Tommy's back of town whatever, but no, it
sounds like he's still there, so I couldn't tell you.
I don't know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it also makes me think that we're really
not gonna be checking in with the town, probably not
all this whole season.
Speaker 1: Well I guess next week though, right, because that's a flashback,
so you get you're not checking into the town.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I guess current chronological order.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh let's see here. So uh there they which
I really like, they're running, you know, the wolf scene
and whatnot, and they see this gate which of course
just like get through that we'll get lost, and then
they still just like, oh, they're you know, they're not
gonna come back if they do shoot them, because it's like, yeah,
well like ol, so you gotta run, but you think
there's gonna be open gate to these fucking creepy ass
woods and just it's like we can hide from them.
There not gonna happen. We get some more Scars action
going on, or they've Canepto and the guy which is dude,
It's like, so are you the like I can't remember
how it works in the game. Offuly, you don't just
want to go into Wolves or Scars territory when it's
at night. But at the same time, it's like if
I'm here and let's say we have a geek for
his clan, right, and I'm like that fence, so like
a geek for his crew, I'll say, and like, let's
say that fences. I don't know because they have all
these posts, right, there's guys and watchtowers and run around.
They got lights and everything. I don't know. Maybe it's
I'll say, to be generous fifty feet away and let's
just say it. Oh yeah, I haven't seen dial in
a couple hours. And then the woods I hear to no, don't,
I'll tell you everything. Like I thought the woods was
comically close that you could just.
Speaker 2: Hear like like a park, you know, and there was
just like around it, I completely agree with you.
Speaker 1: Like it felt like can you not just run in
there and be like like, again, it's nighttime. They might
have trapped bon Air or sure, but Isaac last episode
was like, at the end of the day, you guys
are gonna lose. We have hospitals, we have a like,
we have technology, we have weapons, We're gonna kill you.
And then the guy just like, well, we have her right,
why are you not. She's like, hey, everyone just fucking
load up. We're gonna take especially maybe they don't like
this guy, but it's like some guy's being tortured in there.
And if not, it's like they're so close, Like it
feels like a top secret gag, Like they're so close.
It's like why not one night everyone just get to you, Like,
let's fucking just eradicate this group. Now. It'd be different
if it just felt like when Alli and company got
in there, they like turn their right and then torture
scenes going on. It's not like they're walking for miles, right,
Let's say it's emed been a day and it's like,
oh fuck, they're deep in the woods. It's like, no,
you're like a hop skipping a jump to like Andy
being tortured and no one gives a fucking wolves. They're
hanging out there, you know, playing Tic tac toe whatever
they're doing, but they ain't saving their boy. So I
kind of left, and then I also left it. I
felt like they shot something and lost the footager. I
don't know what happened, but when Dina got shot, she
like zero reaction in the game to clarify, Fore, she
got shot with the bone arrow to clarify uh. In
the game, Ellie at this point is alone and she
climbs up and then she gets shot in the shoulder
and she falls down. She takes it out, and that's
the game's way of being like if you get shot
by an arrow, like it it's in a game. It
explains what happens. But I'll be curious next week. When
Ellie goes back to the theater in the game, she's
all fucked up and Dina's like cleaning her wounds and everything.
But like, Dina just got shot with an arrow, and
it's like a really sensual scene. So or I guess
two weeks from now, So like, I don't think you're
gonna have Jesse. Mine are supposed to be the game
circle and she gets back. She takes off all her
clothes because she's just dirty and bruise, and it's a
scene of Dina like bathing or right, Dina got shot
in the leg. I don't think that's gonna happen. I
don't think it's the same impact of Jesse's doing that.
So I'm like, and Ellie's not even that fucked up
in the scene, like in at the end, right, she
looks fine. But yeah, in this it was just like
arrowshot and they looked down and he was like and
thee's aarons like ah, Like it felt a little like
to me, like like parody, like it just it felt
like I've never been shot with the arrow, so maybe
it just feels like a rock. But it felt like
she took it like a fucking champ. She's like a
term there. She didn't even react and then after it
falls down they go carrier. But yeah, so I kind
of I don't think that sequence was the cleanest, I'll say,
for multid reasons.
Speaker 2: For myself, Yeah, no, I completely agree with you. It
felt like because they were so close to everything that
was going on, like them being the scars and just
that whole situation. It just seems so random. It seemed like, Okay,
our threat is the wolves and infected here, so let's
just leave it at that, Like why do we have
to have the sequence where we just see them disembowel
this guy like gut them like a fish. It was
definitely like a gruesome sequence, but in my mind, it
just seemed like, Okay, this is this is a really
gross shot. Throw this in here, and you know they're.
Speaker 1: Some big reveal. It's like, oh yeah, it's not like
this is a reveal, like, oh the Scars are doing.
It's like, no, We've had like two episodes to be like, yeah,
they fucking dismbel people, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, like, as someone that hasn't played the game,
like this, this makes no sense to have the Scars here,
Like let's just have the wolves rush them into this
wooded area and then they're just trying to find them
and like that's really intense, you know, like they have
dogs like that, that's a big threat. But you know,
it sounds like that kind of is what happens in
the game to an extent of just they come across
the Scars in this little wooded area.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's the longer sings, but yeah, i'd
have to recall about the and I don't even know
if that torture scene is there, but I just know
that Elliott shot the arrow because I think it might
just be a seene where she runs in there and
you know, has to get away. But uh, yeah, it
felt felt a little odd there. But yeah, she gets shot,
take her back to the theater, and then Eli decides
not to go. So it'll be interest see what happens
next week or two weeks from now, because you're gonna
have to find out the pregnancy. You're gonna have to
And I wonder if they're trying to change that up
to which I don't understand why they would, because Dina
obviously eventually just does not continue on the venture because
she is pregnant, and we always see the effects that,
like she's getting sick a lot, more, get more fatigued.
So I just wandered in the show if they're just like, well,
we don't want Dina to be like a fucking pussy,
so we're gonna shoot in a leg with an arrow.
It's like I can, like, I think it's a believable.
Most people they get pregnant it's believable and modern day
regular stuff. They're too tired to do things, so in
this one they are hunting, fighting stalkers, clickers, wolves, Like,
I don't think it reads. It's like, man, we feel female.
Dina couldn't couldn't do the entry. Hey, Like, I'm just
wondering why they had her be shot and I feel
like that's what they're gonna do. They're like, well, Jessica
mag well, she's pregnant, she's shot. She can't go on
with you in the venture. But it's like, I know,
so again, some things I would just love to be like,
why is this change? Like her being pregnant is a
good enough reason for her to maybe sit a couple
of missions out, you know, But I don't know.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, do you think we'll get that next week?
Speaker 1: If no, I keep saying next week, But I mean
in two weeks, yeah, and two weeks we're gonna get that.
I know exactly whe're ending down. I'm pretty sure I
thought that's where we were going to end. But uh yeah,
I don't want to say more, but it we just
did a few things a different way, but it's it's
exactly where I thought we were going to end, and
that makes me very curious for what they're gonna do
for season three. But they've already changed them stuff up
with the story and Abby that I don't know if
they're going to do it, and uh again, people just
hate Abby, so I don't I don't know they're gonna
I don't know what they're gonna do there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was gonna pose a question to you,
but that's probably a bad idea since you kind of know.
Speaker 1: Someone I can if I walk around it.
Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna ask myself, I guess who's going
to run into Tommy? First? I kind of think that
Tommy's gonna find Ellie like he'll he'll kind of be
the one.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess. I don't know though, right because they
changed it from the game. So in the game, I
think he's just like I think I think he just
like in the in the first game, in the first
thing in the game, he's just gone, like he wakes
up and then those because remember there's not a three
month jump in the game. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I
don't think this, So what happens up like yeah, and
then what happens is instead of which, again, I don't
know why they change instead of in this show it's
Ellie and Dina tracking the wolves down doing the map,
it's them falling in Tommy's footsteps off, He's been here,
He's left this. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so that's why I
don't actually even know they answer that question. I think
he's just gonna show up in the theater. I think
that's what happens in the game. They just he just
shows up in the theater and finds out they're there
or something like that. But yeah, in the game, I
don't think it's like they bump into them if I
were call I know, he ends up back of the theater,
which is not big spoiler because like, what the fuck
is his name? Jesse said, Hey, we're gonna go back
to the theater and Tommy's there, right or whatever, so
it's not like a big thing. So yeah, I think
they just kind of he just kind of finds them
and that's that. So I don't know what they're gonna
what they're gonna happen. So interesting, Yeah, And I was
just trying to find something else but take us in
a direction here.
Speaker 2: I mean to just sandwich the scenes that we talked about.
Since we're at the end here. Uh. The part of
the episode that I was really like, this is where
I was, you know, getting all scoochy on my couch
and uh, rubbing my palms together. It was when really
starting to see this like dark side of Ellie, Like
when she grabbed when she corners Nora.
Speaker 3: She did this guy when she was right down the
Elvis funny.
Speaker 1: Oh man, she literally said that, but just added Nora
at the end of it, I want to fucking kill you.
Nora is like, oh, she's she's enacting her in her
Patrick Dempsey right now.
Speaker 2: When yeah, when Nora realized that like she's breathing spores,
she's completely cornered. And then this lady that's walking up
to her, not only it's like after you for brutally
killing Joel, this Fatherlake figure to her. She can breathe
the spores and it's immune, and it's just like, oh,
I'm so fucked Like she could torture for hours here
and no one can come save me because nobody can
come down here. Like, yeah, that was I kind of
assumed we were gonna go this route of like Ellie
just getting like really gearing into her anger more so
than just what like a moody teen would be. So yeah,
I was was pretty pretty pumped. I think in this
sequence of just seeing the dark side of Ellie here,
and I mean, if she's doing this to Nora, I
can only imagine what she would want to do if
she can eventually get to to Abby. So yeah, no,
really really brutal. Also, I felt like in the sequence,
like from episode two, I really felt like everyone around
Abby like thought Abby was going like way too far,
But like in this moment, it's like, oh no, they
truly fucking hate Joel, like they truly see him being
like this just mass murderer. I mean he is, But
like I just thought that maybe there'd be a lot
more like sympathy for like yeah, no she I mean
I guess she kind of says that, like we didn't
want you to see that, nobody should be able to
see that.
Speaker 1: Called them a little bitch.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's true, a little bitch deserved what he got
like that. That was like, okay, no, like they she's
gonna die feeling that way, And uh yeah, she got
some busted kneecass with that steel pipe. As she's just
like having an asthma attack, she's breathing in these spores.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was something that I enjoy. It's so funny
because I thought, well, no, I guess I'll take that back,
because I guess kind of like this other game, that
maybe this character will come back and flashback something because
she's like not like a big actor, but she's like
a bigger actor. Maybe we talked about in a few
things go uncharted and you like that tattoa Gabrielle like,
and I like her a lot, so, like I thought
she was good here, so I'm sure we could see
her again in the future. But yeah, so that is
almost identical where it's like, Okay, it's like a longer sequence,
but the like, O, you know, he died like a
little bit or whatever it says, because yeah, I think
that's a good point of It's it's a tough situation
because you want the person dead and maybe you're not
completely down for the torture, or maybe it's you know,
it was just something that you have to do to
send a message. Or maybe they do think Abby went
too far, but they probably still think like, yeah, fuck
this guy though, because he killed a lot of people.
I think this is one scene again where this is
where I will no matter what people like, it's tough
for me. I have to dock at points. The game
in the scene is much or the scene the game
is much better, because for most of the scene was
her telling Ellie like, hey, you know, he killed a
bunch of people in the hospital, something that could do
a cure. That's Abby's dad. So two things. One that
doesn't happen in the game because at this point you
don't know that they're revealing that they're saving that from
because I watched back just to be sure. The only
line Nora says he killed a lot of people, which
is like, well, that could be told at any point, right,
Like it doesn't matter what it's for, right, And it's
more stuff of she says like, oh well, I'm already
infected with sports. I'm not gonna do anything. And Ellie
leans down and she already has the pull and says
I can make it, Like she goes, why would you
tell me? Why would I tell you anything? And all
he goes, I can make it quick or I could
make it long. And that's thing where the whole scene though,
for me, was just it's just like I don't know
what they're doing because they don't we already everyone knows this.
Ellie already knows what happened here. She's already figured out,
like they came back and killed Joel right, and the
show revealed this to us in the first scene in
the series, was fucking Abby by all these graves. So
I just I don't know why they keep trying to
like they're just obsessed with like, hey, you know, it's
like people will forget why they killed off Pedro Pascal, like, oh,
he's a bad guy and he killed some people. And
Abby's dad, It's like you already told people that. I
think people understand it's not been that many weeks. But
so I was this point where in this and it's
both I'd say a similar length, but in the scene
even just that I thought in the video game, Ellie's
more threatening just by saying like hey, like I can
just kill you right now and it Ore'm gonna fucking
torture you. But all of Nora's dialogue is replaced with
just telling Abby's motivations again, which is odd because I
feel like at some point, whether Abby tells us or
there's flashbacks, we're gonna get this again through app So
I just don't know why. And this is where something
that for me, it just completely it's it's only a
video game thing where that's where docking points because I've
just seen like a better to me, a better version.
I still like that. And even then with the scene
of like like they showed us with Abby telling you
know the grave, we know that you don't need her
to say this stuff again. You know, they even showed
a flashback, right, they just showed a flashback of young
Abby walking around finding her dad, Like I would just
rather than have more of the dialogue from the game
where it's just showing Ellie's more vicious. And that's where
I think they did that well. I think Belle did
that well, and I think it's great. I'd still curious
to see what the general reaction is because I still
don't know if they've done a good enough job making
it feel that these people are you're rooting against Ellie.
Because the thing that I think works in the game,
which you can't do in a show is when you
when you strike Nora, you're the one hidding the square button.
You're the one having to do that. Oh there you go,
thumbs up for killing Nora. But like, so that's where
it feels bad. Where it's like, oh'm watch this cut
scene and who knows why I'm doing this, But when
you're actively doing the like hits like this is fucked.
Speaker 2: Up, Like the torture scene in GTA, like that one, yeah,
where you just feel unsettled even though you're like it's
a video game, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where you can't do that in a show. So
I get that. But that's where I think that's in
the dialogue. I wish it would have just made Ellie
a bit more threatening, of like, Okay, we can't have
the viewers physically make Ellie do this, but let's make
her a little more. I like bell as far as
I think. I think the difference between Ellie in the
game and Bella in the show, I think I've finally
figured out it's Ellie in the game feels like a
ferocious animal. We're in the show she kind of feels
like a little bit of a psychopath. She has like
a little dexter Brian thing going on. Because to me,
that look, and I think it was on purpose, Belle's
look when Nora's talking, she just looks fucking dead, Pam Like,
she looks like she has zero motion, where Ellie in
the game is very like just fucking a rat, like
a like a bowl in a china shop, like ready
to go, and like I'm like, tell me when I
need to fucking kill. They were Bell's like deliveries like
very calm and very like unsettling. So I do prefer
the game version of Ellie still because I like those choices,
but I like Belle's choices still. So yeah, there's just
some change up. I just don't know why she had
to tell us again that what jold Dad's like we
all know. I just I'm just very confused by this
whole thing with the Abby and the origin. I just
I don't know. I just don't know why to keep
reinforcing it. But maybe maybe it'll explain more at the
end of the season.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, for what you detail, it definitely
sounds like a better version of it there. I mean,
I can just kind of judge it for what I
got here, So I am glad I kind of see
the lesser version of it. I am going to be
intrigued even by like next season if I'm looking back
on this how they told the abb like kind of
the Abby reveal thing, how they did it so early
because you know, I went through this for the first time,
this show version, and this is my first time judging
it as it is, But I think this would have
been all much more gripping of a scene, you know,
to get some reveals through us beating the shit out
of Nora's knee here, you know, like as opposed to
I already know the answers and I'm just seeing an
angry Ellie beat the absolutely living hell out of this
this lady that's dying, and I'm just, yeah, I'm interested
in seeing other situations of this because I know Ellie's
gonna be finding other members, you know that were there
torturing Joel, Like, is it gonna be this reoccurring thing
kind of what you've already man, Abby's father who was
trying to find the curates.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, which I will That's why I don't understand,
I will say, hopefully not, because I I will say
that they've skipped a lot of stuff that's because of
game playing whatnot, right, Like you can't just always do
like Ellie and the bushes, Ellie in a warehouse, whatnot.
But I'd say, like this is around the time you
do get revealed that Okay, Abby, like Abby's motivation, so like,
I don't hope that many characters will do that in
season three of like explaining what's going on, we'll get
that sense. But again, Nora never needed to we understand,
Like I guess maybe it's just for the fucking illiterate
who did not understand like Abby by all these dead bodies.
Like I just feel like if you watched the show,
you because the game doesn't start that way. If you
watch the show, let's say you binge it. Season one
ends with the hospital and the season two picks up
with a bunch of people buy Firefly Graves. I feel
like most people that pass, like even that maybe failed
high school can put two and two together, like, oh,
he's probably the people that Joel killed, huh. And then
later on they still do a flashback where it's like, oh,
if you didn't understand Abby, and then there there's one
hundred there's some fucking execs somewhere where like, well flashback
was maybe a little uh yeah, Like I don't know
if people really gone it. So can you have Nora
literally explain Abby's motivations? It's like, I don't know, you just.
Speaker 2: Got the creator of the game just fucking oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And then they slim a check. He's like, that's fine, Yeah,
Nora should tell Nor should say that two instances. Yeah,
super mi Cu is also a big fan of the
games place. Yeah, it does feel like the show's approaching
audience with kid Gloves compared to the game. It feels
like they are afraid that some people react to the
game and some softening things, which I just don't like
is softening the thing really because and I can never know,
right because the Abbey hate it's this weird make sure
it's like the Last Jedi thing where it's like, I
know there's people that actually dislike the movie, but there's
a bunch of people that like they made Star Wars woke,
you know, And that's the thing where it's like, for me,
majority of the hate I thought was because like Abby's
this big, powerful buff mail and they give her a
bunch of scenes that like shores a dominant females like
I don't know, in in my like fucking a couple
of years ago, run a rousey, very physical fit woman
I think just herself could take down Joel Miller. So
then in the video game, when they like get Abby,
who's like her whole what happens is her dad gets
killed and she's like, I'm gonna get fucking become a machine.
So when I find this guy could overpower him, I
could still believe Pedro Pascal could like lose to a
run a Rousey or some fucking Ria Ripley and the
w like some big like chick that's been training. So
that's why I just don't know if that's the case
of like maybe that like I'm trying to say, if
they're looking at the not the idiot people of like, oh,
people really didn't like Abby killing Joel, So instead of
making her like understanding her, we're just gonna go with
what people went with and just make her a villain.
For me, that's just a much less interesting situation because like, Okay,
you got a bad guy that's like that is still
like justified in what she did, but you don't you're
not getting the nuance of actually feeling for that character.
It's just like a Thanos where it's like, oh, I
get that it's the point of view, but we still
got to fucking take them down. To me after playing
the game, that shouldn't be Abby. Abby shouldn't be like, oh,
I get her point of view, but we need to
take her down. It's supposed to be kind of a
tragic thing where like I said, and he can't do
it now, but you like hate this character for like
twenty five hours and then something happened. He's like, oh fuck,
I misread this whole thing. And you do put yourself
in that situation because not only it's like it's not
just her dad, it's dozens of people, and as a
person that could make a cure, it's like a trifecta
of man, Joe really did fuck us up. Like again,
that's a whole debate of should have Ellie died whatever,
but that is a that's a big fucking no no
to do all that stuff. But again, I just feel like,
and I don't know, it's weird because I agree with
you might with the kid's gloves. It's like I would
understand if this was somewhere else, but it's like it's
fucking HBO. Like HBO is no, like they're the least
kid gloves play. So again, I'm hoping that at the
end the season they might talk about some of these
changes or they might not just be like, ah, we
only want to justify it. But it just I it
just caught me off guard again to reiterate the last
time of her explaining it, and again, I'm curious to
see what happens because I don't think we're seeing Abby
much of this season. We got the flashback next week,
which I don't think she's just gonna pop up and
be like, there's the handsome Joel, Like that's not gonna happen.
And then even I know we'll see her in the
finale of the season two, but who knows how much
could be a full episode, could be half, could be
just like a little bit. Maybe she's like a cliffhanger.
I don't know, but I don't think we're if you
ask me, I don't I think Abby could be in
the finale. Five percent is like be generous in my opinion,
unless there's something I don't know where it's like an
Abbey centric episode, right.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I think she'll pop up in the finale,
but she won't be like a lot of extended screen time. Yeah, bro,
I think we're saving that for next next season.
Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, we'll take our last e break
and then we'll be right back. All right, We're back.
Anything from this last porture minore or anything like that,
and you want to I want to ask you a question.
In the Apocalypse when the dog was popping off, will
do you not just release the dog? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I was really uh curious as to what was going
on there, and I found it so hilarious that they
like get to this hole where like clearly a clearly
a scar crawled in there, an enemy of rills, a
fucking infected could go in this hole, and then he
jots it down to it being like a fucking raccoon,
Like are you kidding me?
Speaker 4: He's like here the whole eyes as his dog's like, hey, owner,
there's a fucking enemy in here. Like I it just
seems so dumb, like such a dumb NPC move.
Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, Belle Ramsey's a very tiny person, right,
but that hole that they went down, it didn't seem
like only a very tiny person could go like. It
seemed like we could still get through that. We tested
on a movie where kirklet and through some windows. I
was like it that felt very and I'm not sure
if that happens to be a game. I can't remember it,
but I was like, because like, okay, maybe you don't
release the dog because you know, again bidden you've lost
a dog. But I still thought it was like, whoever
is that security detail fire? He took way too long,
like whoa, buddy, come down? Whoa. It's like, no, like
fallow the dog, they maybe don't release it off leash then,
but like fall like put some peppier step like he
was moving so fucking slow. I guess you don't want
to click her to jump out and bite you, So
I guess that's the point. But I agree with you
when you get the hole, just like anybody could get
through this fucking thing, you're like, yeah, whatever, it's like
a cap that doesn't want to do paperwork, like ah,
I'm not radioing this in fuck it.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. I I also just found it really I
rolly how easily she got into like the hospital. I mean,
like that scene, adding adding to the whole thing. But
she got in there, and then luckily enough, she just
came across Nora. Then we got already highlighted everything that
happened there, and yeah, we got.
Speaker 1: Dina talking about what she did kind of some origins,
which I liked, as far as why she'd be following
Ellie through. It was like, hey, my family was killed.
Luckily I was there killed the guy, but I can
only imagine if I had to see them tortured. So
I'm with you if you want to go, with you
if you don't want to go. Ellie did have a
moment which again in the game, Dina just stays back
because she's not feeling good. Ellie, which I appreciate, had
a moment where she's like, yeah, I should send you back,
you know, like this is the wrong thing to be
doing because Dena's already getting tired. But yeah, liked all
those scenes. Good chemistry here still Yeah, no, I really
got no notes and I like you all. And Isabelle
Mercet continues to be great, and I wonder if that's
why I put her there, because I wonder if because
it's arrow, whether it's not even next week, but next season,
if she's gonna like not be a part of some
stuff and kind of get secluded, whether it's a theater
or they go back to the town with or wherever.
Because again I don't know what they'll do with the
game and the versus the show, but I feel like
now with this, I was like, Okay, maybe this is
our We'll get some more content in the finally, but
we probably might not get too much more Ledna content
for a little bit of a shot of the arrow
and like she's pierced arrow and pregnant. Probably not the
best to be going a bit wolf scars and stalkers.
But I liked all the stuff here and the Matt
planning and you know, the guitars, you know, all good stuff.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, I can beletely agree with you. I
liked all their just chemistry scenes. This uh, this poor
what was their last name, Park, Leon Park, the one
that was just a spore maker. Is that like something
you come across in the game. It seemed like they
had a lot of like emphasis on this lady and.
Speaker 1: That's that sequence is like long or with the like
the lady in the wall.
Speaker 2: You mean, or the lady both of them, so it's
like her son like the start of the episode, right,
she's doing an interview with that.
Speaker 1: That's all new, Okay, yeah, not even explaining because like
they set this up. That's why they talked about last
year spores were in the first game. We're in the
first season they weren't, so they had I think that
like great scene. I liked it. As far as this
explanation of having to leave people, it's in the air.
But I think they just did that because like, well
we didn't see the one. We gonna explain to people
that it's randomly here now, But yeah, that's always been
a thing last of us. So the spores are I
guess now in the game. And I think obviously I
think we talked about this one. You just don't want
your actors always to have a fucking gas mask on, right,
Like as much as people can plain, it's like you're
paying these people lots of money, Like, did you want
like half the season page's face to be fucking covered up?
It's like no, like he's a good looking man, like
half his face off here. But uh so, yeah, that
was new in the game, that whole explanation of that
story or to the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess it's a good setup to
explain like the basement is bad, and then so it
by the time Nora falls down there, it's like holy
function too. Yeah, and then you got Ellie just shooting
her her handgun at her, like, well, I guess I'm
just going to the spores, Like what else are you
gonna do? Hindsight should have taken the bullet because it
would have been a quicker death.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or just when she whatever she threw it r
I don't know, because in the game she just throws
like a like a surgical pan she threw. I don't
know if it was.
Speaker 2: She was like pouring water in the dirty bandages, so
she like just threw the bloody water at her. But
it's almost like it stung her.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why I was wondering, like it disinfected though
maybe must be that must have been it, but like
you would have a bare chances to do then then
like double hooker, you know, like what Ellie did last
week to the big guy, you know. But uh no,
I thought that was good the fall down look at
B two and that was like, oh man, you're completely screen.
And I also forgot too because Ellie got down there
for a second, I'm like, why did she have I'm like, oh, right,
she can't die here, which is just, you know, perfect situation.
Let's see, they blocked the hospital basement for another reason
in the game. I wonder if they'll still do that. Yeah,
I've wondered that for a while. It's definitely would be
a bigger budgeted situation. If I'm remembering, Mike, just say
yes or no, if like that set piece would be
a bigger budget I could be wrong, but it's something
that I could also see reworked to a different time
or season. But oh, that's what I was gonna say.
I can't remember. This is another thing of the game too,
because you're control of the character in this show Ellie,
awful shot, she shot four times and like like Nora,
wasn't that far away? Terrible terrible shot.
Speaker 2: You know, So I will say maybe I'm just bad,
but because I'm playing Last of Us one right now,
just because I'm vibing, I am so fucking bad. I
always mission shots and then the clearer just gets me
and then and fucks me up, and then I have
like three bullets because it's so hard to find a yes. Yeah, no,
playing like the Part one remaster, Oh it is. The
lighting in that game is gorgeous as.
Speaker 1: The finished that stranding Eh So, yeah, I saw because
I think someone else was playing this, I should have
sent it to you. But I saw not that you're
doing this, but a clip where someone's playing on Perman
Death but they lost because they were like walking down
a hill and it like killed Ali so they had
to start over.
Speaker 2: Never. Never would I play a game on death mode anymore. No,
maybe like in my history, you know, if I was
back in the day, but nowadays, hell no, I don't
got time for that shit.
Speaker 1: And maybe like this is something where I can definitely
say like love VEO games, but I'm not like top
tier gamer, so I don't know if there's many that
could have done that. I think for me, the only
games I could have done that, and I don't think
there was a situation. But it's like any of the
Arkham games, because especially there was one time, like Arkham City,
I felt like god Tyr Bruce Wayne, like I was
playing hardest difficulty and I was just cruising through that
like like not a cruise, but still like I'm fucking batman,
Like you're at the end when Hugo String is seending
all those guys and I'm just gadgets everywhere, like that's game.
We're like, you know what, I think the Arkham games
I could have done a perman de ap, but other
games it's like, no, that's I would not I applaud
people that do that. You're godly gamers, but let's see
super and my it would be more double, more doable
than the Jackson battle. I guess it's just that it's
like I think there's just more like No, I guess
you're right, because there's big there's lots of clickers and
there's this big CGI clicker there, So you're right. So
I wonder. Yeah, I don't think it's gonna be coming
this season, at least if that's the situation. So we'll see.
Speaker 2: Speaking in riddles has me intrigued.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have no other notes because there's so much
that happened in the beginning.
Speaker 2: Just kind of some you know, Yeah, I know, I
got nothing else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, Well, there we go. We've done it. Les Jones.
We've talked about Last of Us episode five, season two.
We'll be back next week. See what's going on with uh,
you know, Pedro's back. It's always good things. See what's
going on there? Yeah, hey, kiddo, probably someone with Eugene
and who knows, maybe maybe the entire episode won't be
a flashback. Maybe you'll get like ten to fifty minutes
at the end that's in current day. I don't know,
or maybe it is. Who knows, because I think it's
like I feel like it kind of tied into at
the same time, when Ellie's doing the very terrible acts,
it's almost like they tied it with like she's And
that's where I worry, like with my products, like does
Ellie need to think of like a good memory to
get her through this or why she's doing this? But again,
to me, Elli in the Games was a fucking beast.
It's like, nah, I'm gonna torture you. And I feel
Belli Bella was still doing that We've talked about in
last season and the show where they've emphasized that Ellie
has like a you know, a lust for violence sometimes.
So I don't know if that was literally just an
editing way just to get Joel on it. But at
that point though, when Mike you said, like they pay
him per episode, that wouldn't have been worth paying them
for this episode being there for fucking like five ten seconds,
I bet cut that shit out. We're not paying them
there just like because can you just open up next
week and it's a flashback, you would need to have
this transition, right. So that's why I'm worrying. Are they
doing it for character reasons to be like well she has.
She's really telling herself why she has to do this.
It's like, No, I only doesn't give a fuck. She
knows why she's doing this. She's gonna fucking Kaden. Someone
said she has to. But we will see, and we'll
be back next week and will not be boring, but