1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Hello ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Last 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:09,480 of Reviews, Episode five, season two. I'm the I'm gonna 3 00:00:09,519 --> 00:00:12,240 fucking kill you a dress now, and I'm joined by 4 00:00:12,759 --> 00:00:15,880 the where is she kirklum Pancer at least seeing a 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:17,800 couple of movies. I guess you didn't get see Dexter 6 00:00:17,879 --> 00:00:22,559 season two but our original Sin. But yeah, here we 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,079 are myself and mister Passer again. You know, deal's not 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,760 cut up tears. Who knows where he's in? Dog shit? Man, 9 00:00:33,039 --> 00:00:37,240 it's just contexts. Yeah, I'm gonna tell me. He's always like, man, 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:38,799 you're always some mean to him. Well, you know, one, 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,000 he's time me multiple times. He deserves it. But like, 12 00:00:41,679 --> 00:00:44,880 I just feel like the things Taylor could flex about 13 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,000 his life he rarely does, and the things he has 14 00:00:47,039 --> 00:00:49,880 to because he's been talking about Tiger ice cream, right 15 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,159 and he's just Tiger big no no for me. Yeah, 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,399 I'm not. I'm with Kirkling black licorice, Like, I'll look 17 00:00:56,399 --> 00:00:58,719 a thousand assholes before I get to eat black licorice, 18 00:00:58,759 --> 00:01:01,880 you know, Like, and that's after assholes too, black liquorice. No, 19 00:01:02,359 --> 00:01:05,439 So like he sensed this and he's like it's an 20 00:01:05,439 --> 00:01:08,319 ice cream cone. He's like, oh, Mother's Day, tiger car, 21 00:01:08,359 --> 00:01:09,879 which I don't even know why he's I don't understand 22 00:01:09,879 --> 00:01:12,040 if it's Father's Day. But he's like, why are you 23 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:13,840 eating the ice cream? Like why is he like, look 24 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,280 at mother's damn fucking eating good or whatever. So he's doing, 25 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,799 you know, with Madison and his family everything like that, 26 00:01:19,799 --> 00:01:22,840 but he sends it phose ice cream. I guess it 27 00:01:22,879 --> 00:01:24,560 did look like right with ice cream. It was a 28 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,159 tiger tiger and then a brown on top, and it 29 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,599 was like melted and licked everything. But just the way 30 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,359 it looked, it looked like a dog shit. And then 31 00:01:30,439 --> 00:01:32,680 I said that he just got defense by way like oh, well, 32 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,480 you know, Moloks was in the best service and I 33 00:01:35,599 --> 00:01:37,359 lickd it already. You know. It's like, well, I understand 34 00:01:37,439 --> 00:01:39,200 you licked it. It's just like the way he was 35 00:01:39,239 --> 00:01:42,239 looking like he sent it in a way it felt like, 36 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,120 oh look what I got, guys, And I was like, no, 37 00:01:44,239 --> 00:01:47,760 like you you unsold me again on this, you know, especially. 38 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,319 Speaker 2: That we already established that we both don't like tiger 39 00:01:49,319 --> 00:01:51,120 and he's trying to sell this tiger ice cream and 40 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,200 it's not even a nice photo of tiger ice cream. 41 00:01:53,239 --> 00:01:55,760 Like there's better photos where I'd be like, yeah, it 42 00:01:55,799 --> 00:01:58,799 looks good. I'm sure it tastes like you said after work. 43 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: Thousands tweet to tweet this when I've shared the link 44 00:02:02,319 --> 00:02:04,799 for this episode, and I'm gonna show everybody right now. 45 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: And we give a hard time because he's not here 46 00:02:06,319 --> 00:02:07,120 to defend himself. 47 00:02:07,239 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's missing the cash. You know, look at that. 48 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,759 Speaker 2: That's not cute, Like come on now, that's like some 49 00:02:11,879 --> 00:02:14,800 cheese that's been left out of one. Yeah, room temperature. 50 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,120 This photo about that is the cone. 51 00:02:17,199 --> 00:02:19,319 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. This photo looks something like when you 52 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:20,840 go to the doctor and say, hey, doc, I need 53 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,039 you to see something up your pants. And this is 54 00:02:23,039 --> 00:02:26,000 what's looking like right now. This is looking like, yeah, 55 00:02:26,039 --> 00:02:28,560 this is some alien hybrid in the next alien movie, 56 00:02:28,599 --> 00:02:31,159 like and look at this, guys, And yeah, then he 57 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,800 went to the defense. But that's okay. But yeah, we 58 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,039 are here to talk about last time. Mother's Day to 59 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,680 all the mothers wherever you are, and happy to all 60 00:02:39,719 --> 00:02:42,000 the people. Love tie your ice cream. But yeah we're here. 61 00:02:42,039 --> 00:02:45,719 So next couple of weeks, hopefully to be back next 62 00:02:45,719 --> 00:02:47,639 week cause I think next week I got a gimmick record. 63 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,599 So I think next week I'll be I'll be a 64 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,280 mushing back to one. But then we got there, just. 65 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 2: The one constant on these last of us you are. 66 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: That's funny enough how it's happened. Yeah, so it's it's great. 67 00:02:56,599 --> 00:02:58,400 But yeah, and Dylan should be he's got to catch up. 68 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,400 But if not, there's always rate something waiting for you, 69 00:03:02,479 --> 00:03:04,759 just like the key for his podcast feed. Tons of stuff. 70 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,479 Newscasts were and ors coming to an end this week, 71 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,080 so you got that. Believe it or not, Iron Hart 72 00:03:11,159 --> 00:03:15,159 is coming up. It's not this week, no, no, but 73 00:03:15,319 --> 00:03:18,840 still it's coming out. No, there's some status last week 74 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,120 it's like it's the shortest project from the MCU coming 75 00:03:21,159 --> 00:03:24,000 out to no trailer happening, So it's like, we don't 76 00:03:24,039 --> 00:03:25,960 know what the fuck this show is. And then maybe 77 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,560 not a good sign, no, but maybe a lot of stuff. 78 00:03:28,599 --> 00:03:30,199 We got Mission Possile come out, which you can go 79 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:32,599 check out on the Patreon fees right now, the exclusive 80 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,759 Phase two tier and up. We got Mission Possible retrospectives, 81 00:03:35,759 --> 00:03:39,439 we got Superman retrospectives and Fantastic Four retrospectives. Will we 82 00:03:39,439 --> 00:03:41,919 review the entire series of those movies? And yeah check 83 00:03:41,919 --> 00:03:44,159 those out because those three franchise obviously are returning in 84 00:03:44,199 --> 00:03:46,960 the next couple of weeks. 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Kirkland, 96 00:04:16,879 --> 00:04:20,639 did you appreciate this episode? Obviously last week was a tense, 97 00:04:20,759 --> 00:04:23,839 lots of uh, lots of Biden going on. And I'm 98 00:04:23,879 --> 00:04:26,319 not talking about the clickers, no, I'm just joking. Yeah, 99 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,439 you got Ellie and Dina, you know, admitting their love 100 00:04:29,519 --> 00:04:30,839 to each other, getting it on. You got lots of 101 00:04:30,879 --> 00:04:33,720 clickers going on. They got to Seattle. Uh so, what 102 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:35,360 do you think about this follow up? As this is 103 00:04:35,399 --> 00:04:39,240 the third last episode of season We're round and down 104 00:04:39,399 --> 00:04:39,839 to home. 105 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,079 Speaker 2: You know it's coming too quick? Yeah, no, I'm I. 106 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,759 I still really appreciated this episode. I think this was 107 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,720 the first episode and the string of episodes where it 108 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,560 felt like a little bit of switching gears to a slower, 109 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,680 slower momentum. Not that like the pacing of the episode 110 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,000 was slow in comparison to even last weeks, but I 111 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,360 just feel like my overall like, holy shit, it's getting 112 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,240 crazy here, Like it just felt like we kind of 113 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,319 took a breath, even though there was a lot of good, 114 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,360 suspenseful moments in here. I think it ended really really strong, 115 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:17,360 but it really wasn't until like the last Yeah, like 116 00:05:17,399 --> 00:05:19,800 the last section of the episode where I really felt 117 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,079 like I was, you know, rubbing the old palms together 118 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,120 and like, all right, let's fucking go here. This is 119 00:05:24,199 --> 00:05:26,959 this is getting this is getting me going. And yeah, 120 00:05:26,959 --> 00:05:30,199 I think the reason for that is everything in here. 121 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,399 I don't know, it's in my mind. This sounds weird 122 00:05:33,439 --> 00:05:36,439 because it just feels like adding know, onto last week's episode, 123 00:05:36,439 --> 00:05:38,680 which I guess every week kind of does that to 124 00:05:38,759 --> 00:05:42,160 an extent in a season, you know, it's it's all 125 00:05:42,199 --> 00:05:45,040 one story that it's telling, But this one, it just 126 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,399 really didn't feel like we moved a lot of places. 127 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,680 It just felt like a little add on to the 128 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,199 adventure from last week. And that's not a negative by 129 00:05:54,199 --> 00:05:57,279 any means. It just it was an overall shift in 130 00:05:57,399 --> 00:06:01,839 my just feeling. But while watching this, it felt like 131 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,560 I didn't get a lot out of this week until 132 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,920 kind of like the last section. But I don't know, overall, 133 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:14,600 it's still really really good quality. I'm I'm I'm looking 134 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,000 forward to next week's episode, but I I'm kind of 135 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,160 mixed on the feeling of it. I think, well, you know, 136 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,199 you can talk about that when we get into spoilers, 137 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,920 just because it really shows like, hey, this is next week, 138 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,399 and it's like okay, Like I I kind of am 139 00:06:26,439 --> 00:06:29,319 looking forward to that, but at the same time, it's like, Okay, 140 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,600 I don't know. I'm also would have been a little 141 00:06:32,639 --> 00:06:34,800 bit giddier to maybe go in a different direction, but 142 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,040 it is necessary. I think the stuff that we are 143 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,079 going to be covering, I think part of me maybe 144 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,199 wish that we got that this week, just because I've 145 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,800 kind of been looking forward to it, but yeah, no, 146 00:06:44,879 --> 00:06:51,639 it's it's still really good. Bella Ramsey's fantastic Isabella Isabella right, 147 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:59,319 not Isabelle. Isabelle said Dina, she was fantastic Isabella Mercella. 148 00:06:59,319 --> 00:07:00,720 I think I've been saying as a bell So that's 149 00:07:00,759 --> 00:07:05,639 my bad too. So Cas is just great and yeah, 150 00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:08,639 just just some good tense moments. I feel like this 151 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:13,319 episode was the first episode maybe this season, where I'm like, oh, man, 152 00:07:13,399 --> 00:07:16,000 this scene's just too dark for me. I don't know, 153 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:17,759 like there's a lot of darkness in the show, but 154 00:07:17,839 --> 00:07:20,319 like there's just a string of stuff going on where 155 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,199 I was like, ah, like maybe it was just bright out. 156 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,639 You know, I should have closed the blinds, really got 157 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,920 that glare out of the screen. But it just it 158 00:07:26,959 --> 00:07:30,000 reminded me of some like a House of Dragons episode 159 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,519 I think it was from season one, where it was 160 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,399 just like, fuck, man, this is way too dark. You 161 00:07:33,439 --> 00:07:34,600 can't see anything's going on. 162 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,839 Speaker 1: Which is awesome. It's different aus the video game of Man, 163 00:07:36,839 --> 00:07:40,720 there's so much stuff that it's just so much brighter 164 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,040 and awesome because the video game you can just you 165 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,120 literally change any There's there's no like on set you 166 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,759 gotta make this done. But uh, you know, I think 167 00:07:49,759 --> 00:07:51,199 I agree with you. I think overall, I really liked 168 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,680 the episode. I think, well, I'm excited to talk about 169 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,720 some of the changes because I'm with Mike on the 170 00:07:55,759 --> 00:07:58,959 discord and other people where there's some changes that they've 171 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,839 made from the game where I just feel like it's 172 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,240 just changes for the sake of changes. And then there's 173 00:08:03,279 --> 00:08:06,120 one change in here that I enjoyed and I understood, 174 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,079 but there's some stuff that's it's odd. I'm excited that 175 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,600 when we like if we I think they do those 176 00:08:13,639 --> 00:08:15,120 sit downs whatnot. But I feel like I want to 177 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,480 hear more from the game creators of maybe they don't 178 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,560 have a choice, but just certain things why they're changed 179 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,639 by digress. But yeah, I know this is a great episode. 180 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,720 I think, Yeah, there was lots of kind of I think. 181 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,040 I think it's kind of divided in half. I think 182 00:08:27,079 --> 00:08:30,680 the first half is very much an exposition character development, 183 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,000 but more in a character development of like I'm going 184 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,759 to tell you a story, We're going to talk about this, 185 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:36,919 not so much as seeing stuff. But then the second 186 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,360 half lots more action, lots more reveals, and lots more 187 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:44,399 situations and some things that have been fans been waiting 188 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,200 for because it's stuff that happened in the first game 189 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,960 that they didn't even cover in the first season. So 190 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,039 it's been interesting. But yeah, no, they continue to both 191 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:57,200 be great. It was interesting a way for Spoils on 192 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:58,559 that one because they just made a choice. I'll just 193 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,600 say they gave it's it's difficult. They gave Diana more 194 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,039 screen time. There's a certain section in the game that 195 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,039 she does not join Ellie on it's just an Ellie 196 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,559 centric mission, but she joined here and I think it's 197 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,720 a good thing because you get more chemistry with them 198 00:09:12,759 --> 00:09:14,679 and you hear more story. But there were times, because 199 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,559 I've heard people talk about this, I don't necessarily agree, 200 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,919 so maybe it's just someone supplanting the idea in my mind. 201 00:09:19,919 --> 00:09:22,000 But this episode felt like this where I feel like, 202 00:09:22,039 --> 00:09:24,600 for the first half Ellie was not the main character 203 00:09:24,799 --> 00:09:27,000 of the show. And that's happened a few times where 204 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,279 I've seen people like show examples of Yeah, Dina is 205 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,080 like taking over quite a bit, But I wonder if 206 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,759 that's because of something that happened in this episode that 207 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,000 might don't worry, it's not chole level, but just something 208 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,279 that might make that character busy for a little bit. 209 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,080 I'm not sure. I really don't know, but yeah, I digress. 210 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,320 I thought it was a good episode, maybe not as 211 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,240 strong as last week, but yeah, I'm very well. Yeah again, 212 00:09:51,279 --> 00:09:53,240 I'm wait to spoils. I can't say I'm very excited 213 00:09:53,279 --> 00:09:55,679 for next week. I'm sure, like you said, it will 214 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:00,320 serve its purpose. I think it's just I guess I 215 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,039 could be more excited if I knew. And the last 216 00:10:02,039 --> 00:10:04,440 of US three was where someone's gonna happen next week, 217 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,000 and then we get the finale, and then it's like, man, 218 00:10:06,039 --> 00:10:07,879 are we gone for another two to three years? You 219 00:10:07,879 --> 00:10:09,679 know that's the issue, especially with this one. We know 220 00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:12,320 it's not gonna be like a You could watch season 221 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,639 one and be done with it, right, there's stuff like 222 00:10:14,799 --> 00:10:16,440 left hanging, but you could be done and end the 223 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,120 story there, hence the game endy there, right, But we're 224 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:20,960 not doing that with season two. We're gonna leave. I 225 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:22,320 don't even know what it's gonna be on a cliffhanger, 226 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:24,960 but we know that this is not like at least 227 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,639 two seasons. They've said maybe three years coming the second game, 228 00:10:27,759 --> 00:10:29,879 so we know that next week you're gonna end in 229 00:10:29,919 --> 00:10:33,320 some sort of you know, I would say unsatisfied way, 230 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,480 because you can still have a cliffhinger and do all 231 00:10:35,519 --> 00:10:38,559 the like. Just because you don't completely answer everything, doesn't 232 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,399 mean you're not satisfied, but just in a way where 233 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,360 you're gonna be wanting left more. But I wonder if 234 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,080 it's like if it's in the way of like, let's 235 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:48,639 say you have a good meal and you're like, fuck, 236 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,080 I'd have that again, versus let's say you had a 237 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,039 good half million, like, oh, that's good, but I'm still 238 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,559 kind of hungry. That's my only worry about next week 239 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,240 in the week after, because next week I think they're 240 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,559 gonna flush out some flesh out, flesh out some stories 241 00:11:01,799 --> 00:11:04,320 that aren't in the game. So that's where it's like, Okay, 242 00:11:04,759 --> 00:11:07,320 I think that'll give us some great character stuff, But 243 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,000 I don't know how vital it's gonna be going towards, 244 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,039 you know, because even the Bob episode, right, like, I 245 00:11:14,039 --> 00:11:17,399 think there's some themes that were, you know, great that 246 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,159 they touched upon, But technically you could take all that 247 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,480 episode and that doesn't change anything for Joel and Nelle. Right, 248 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,240 was it Bob from season one? Oh? Bill oh Bill, 249 00:11:25,279 --> 00:11:28,960 thank you Bill. Sorry Bill Frank, great episode set up 250 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,240 the world, heavy on the themes, but you could technically 251 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,519 take that episode out and it don't change anything for 252 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,080 Joel and Ellie, right, And I'm not saying don't take 253 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,320 that episode out. That episode's a great waner. But also 254 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:39,879 I think that came at it like you're saying the 255 00:11:39,879 --> 00:11:42,039 placing a better time. I don't know if you know, 256 00:11:42,399 --> 00:11:43,840 I don't care, it's my I suppose next week's a 257 00:11:43,879 --> 00:11:45,840 flashback episode. We'll just say that. And that's where it's 258 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,879 just like, as the penultimate episode, that's an interesting place 259 00:11:50,039 --> 00:11:52,039 to put it. So I hope they kind of justify it. 260 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,000 And that's just my worry of you get that and 261 00:11:54,039 --> 00:11:56,080 then finale, and I just feel like I don't want 262 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,320 to feel not in the sense of all one more 263 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,000 so excited, like oh yeah, like I'm a little under baked, 264 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,320 like I needed a bit more before we said goodbye 265 00:12:03,399 --> 00:12:05,919 these characters for another two years and then we're back. 266 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,240 But maybe not, Maybe that season's gonna be closer to 267 00:12:08,279 --> 00:12:10,720 I don't know. I haven't heard much scheduling. Mill look 268 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:17,159 while we're talking, but anything else non spoilers, No, I 269 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,120 don't think, so all right, so we're gonna take our 270 00:12:20,159 --> 00:12:22,720 first ad break and then we'll be right back diving 271 00:12:22,759 --> 00:12:27,960 into the nitty gritty and we are back, all right, 272 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,000 So you want to just start there because I kind 273 00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:32,559 of talked about a little bit, but yeah, thoughts on 274 00:12:32,639 --> 00:12:35,039 next week being ah, it looks like a flashbackup so 275 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,919 because like we know, Joel's not fucking alive. You know, 276 00:12:38,039 --> 00:12:40,639 if people don't, if you are for some reason listening, 277 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,840 you know, to spoils a hand seen episode, they don't 278 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,559 care what happens is we're gonna get to it. Some 279 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,679 dad's going on with La cuts the black and then 280 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,320 there's a knock at the door or a door door opens. 281 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,080 It's Ellie's sleeping and stroll being like hey kiddo, and 282 00:12:52,159 --> 00:12:55,240 she's all happy. So it's obviously gonna be going back 283 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,919 to a time where things were much better for the two. 284 00:12:58,039 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 2: So and it is so brighton there reminds me of 285 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,799 like when Frodo wakes up and like sees you know, 286 00:13:02,919 --> 00:13:04,879 Sam Gandelf's you. 287 00:13:04,919 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: Can't remember well that again. Watch a lot of the 288 00:13:11,759 --> 00:13:13,720 rings were drinking. He says everyone's name. He does not 289 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,879 fucking say legs the name. He has no idea who 290 00:13:15,879 --> 00:13:18,679 that man is, no idea. He never talked to him once. 291 00:13:19,519 --> 00:13:21,000 I haven't read the book in a long because I 292 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,480 got the audiobook. Do you remember recall fro and Leg 293 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:24,440 like I actually talked. 294 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,039 Speaker 2: I can't remember remember for like one hundred percent, but 295 00:13:27,159 --> 00:13:28,559 I'm pretty sure he doesn't. 296 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:33,159 Speaker 1: So that's it's something like Thor and Black Widow. I'm 297 00:13:33,159 --> 00:13:35,840 pretty sure he was showing in the INFINITYA saga they 298 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,919 never once talked to each other like one on one. 299 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:39,679 Everybody else does, but not them. So you know, we 300 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,440 all got those colleagues at work. But I was gonna say, 301 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:43,759 before you go that scene that you're saying it was 302 00:13:43,759 --> 00:13:46,080 too dark. They took all the brightness from that scene 303 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:47,200 and put it into the end scene. 304 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:49,519 Speaker 2: That's where it all went. 305 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: It makes sense. 306 00:13:51,759 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I kind of was alluding to it 307 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,960 in this spoiler free spot. It's just especially to have 308 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,000 this week like end. I feel like the last second 309 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,159 the episode was really tense, which is like the Ellie 310 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,960 and Norah situation, and then it just yeah, like you said, 311 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,879 it goes with face of black and then instead of 312 00:14:09,879 --> 00:14:12,799 continuing on from that, I know for a fact, all 313 00:14:12,879 --> 00:14:14,919 my waiting for next Sunday is just gonna lead up 314 00:14:14,919 --> 00:14:17,919 to this flashback episode where I'm kind of torn because 315 00:14:18,279 --> 00:14:20,720 I've been wanting this all season. Like that was something 316 00:14:20,759 --> 00:14:24,840 that I was like, I mean, I've obviously sad Joel died, 317 00:14:24,879 --> 00:14:26,519 but I was also just upset because I just don't 318 00:14:26,559 --> 00:14:28,759 have Pedro for like any of the season really, like 319 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,440 he's really not a part of the season beyond that 320 00:14:31,559 --> 00:14:36,399 first episode, Like you know, he's in episode two, but 321 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,639 even for the most part, he's just just standing there. 322 00:14:38,639 --> 00:14:39,480 He's just a victim. 323 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,679 Speaker 1: And it's weird because in the game it feels a 324 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,960 lot more and I can't remember because the game's obviously 325 00:14:44,039 --> 00:14:46,559 like forty to sixty hours, right, so it's all kind 326 00:14:46,559 --> 00:14:48,159 of spider in my mind. But they do like multiple 327 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,639 flashbacks in the game, so I kind of thought they 328 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:52,200 were going to go that route in the show of 329 00:14:52,279 --> 00:14:54,159 like Sprinkle, I'm in there, a scene here, a scene there, 330 00:14:54,159 --> 00:14:56,320 and maybe maybe that's better. Maybe for the show they're like, oh, 331 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:57,639 we want to do like a full hour of it, 332 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,759 but it has at the same point, I guess they 333 00:14:59,799 --> 00:15:02,559 won't to feel like you're actually missing him, right, So 334 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,519 in a game, I can go stretch of eight hours 335 00:15:04,519 --> 00:15:06,600 and not see Joel or this it's like, you know, 336 00:15:06,679 --> 00:15:09,000 forty minutes fifty minutes. So maybe that's the idea, but 337 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,200 I thought even just for the show's benefit to keep 338 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,600 people engaged, they might have pedro around more. 339 00:15:14,679 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 2: But no, Yeah, I feel like, I mean, I'll have 340 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,519 to judge it for next week or sorry after next week. 341 00:15:21,559 --> 00:15:24,039 But I feel like I personally would have maybe liked 342 00:15:24,039 --> 00:15:27,240 it more getting sprinkled in throughout because I watched the 343 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:30,240 first I don't know three episodes and then rewatched them 344 00:15:30,559 --> 00:15:33,919 with Shake because she wasn't caught up then, and I 345 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,919 like I had watched like a recap of season one 346 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,559 because I was just like fuzzy on it up until 347 00:15:38,559 --> 00:15:41,399 that point. So I felt like those heavy sequences when 348 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,799 we lose Joel, it hit me so much harder. And 349 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,039 then like the next episode when Ellie is like seeing 350 00:15:46,039 --> 00:15:48,360 his clothing, like just because he was so recently in 351 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:50,679 my mind, Like those scenes were just hitting so much harder, 352 00:15:51,039 --> 00:15:54,000 and I feel like we just I don't know, looking 353 00:15:54,039 --> 00:15:56,559 back on the last few weeks, I feel like there's 354 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,960 many moments you could easily spice in, like you know, 355 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:01,919 how this episode kind of ended just like a quick 356 00:16:01,919 --> 00:16:05,879 little kiddo thing, just like her looking in the direction, 357 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:07,840 and then just picturing Joel there, and then it just 358 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,720 reminds us all that we just got, you know, Joel 359 00:16:10,759 --> 00:16:13,159 got taken from us way too early, and we fucking 360 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,799 hate Abby. Yeah, just a little reminder of that. So yeah, 361 00:16:16,799 --> 00:16:19,759 I think I can safely say I would preferred that there, 362 00:16:19,799 --> 00:16:21,720 but you know, maybe I'll wait and see till next week. 363 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,840 Maybe next week's a ten and a ten episode and 364 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,120 it's like, man, I was so wrong. 365 00:16:25,159 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: What they did here is perfect, but it could be 366 00:16:27,519 --> 00:16:29,399 right because the Bill and Franklin was like that where 367 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,720 it's just a great episode, so it could be. And 368 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:33,279 then we know it sounds like we're gonna have more 369 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,559 than Catherine O'Hara, so that'll always be good. 370 00:16:35,639 --> 00:16:39,919 Speaker 2: So Eugene, I'm sure too. Yeah, I'll never leave us. 371 00:16:40,279 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure we will. So let's see. Uh, 372 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:47,120 super Mice is almost sure. The reason it's one flashback 373 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,279 episode is they pay patro Per episode. 374 00:16:50,039 --> 00:16:50,399 Speaker 2: Hmmm. 375 00:16:51,679 --> 00:16:53,759 Speaker 1: I guess that's so interesting, right, I guess, And Mike, 376 00:16:53,799 --> 00:16:55,399 you're probably right as far as I wonder why it 377 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,799 can't work to be like we're gonna because because couldn't 378 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,320 you just still like, let's say you film, let's say 379 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,440 next week, he's on screen for fifty seven minutes, Like 380 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,400 it's so interesting that you would film fifty seven minutes 381 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,400 and pay him in a bulk like pay a one 382 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,440 time amount. But if you were to spread that throughout episodes, 383 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,599 you couldn't still do that one time amount. But I 384 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,440 think Mike might be right because I remember I don't 385 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,960 know if you recall, but back in the day when 386 00:17:21,519 --> 00:17:23,200 the Snyer Cut was first come out, do you remember 387 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,880 they originally it was a six episode series and then 388 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,200 they just changed the dropping a whole movie. Do you 389 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:28,640 remember that. 390 00:17:29,279 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 2: I'm a little fuzzy on that. 391 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,079 Speaker 1: But when it was first announced, Snyder said they were 392 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:33,799 going to do it as a series on HBO Max 393 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:36,160 and it was gonna be weekly. But then the rumor 394 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,319 was and at least I talked to some people that 395 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,640 have confirmed that for me that because of certain contracts 396 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,799 and episodes and whatnot, that's why they didn't do it, 397 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,680 because having to pay people. So I guess that's it too, 398 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,720 because you can make the argument of Okay, sure it's 399 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,480 the same amount of time, but every week you're using 400 00:17:49,759 --> 00:17:52,799 my face to keep people there, pull them in. So yeah, no, 401 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,440 that's a good point, Mike of why I guess it 402 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,960 doesn't work. Again, we talk about lighting same thing in 403 00:17:57,039 --> 00:17:59,480 video game stuff, like what's the name Troy Baker just 404 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,039 comes in and record his line. They just spread that 405 00:18:01,079 --> 00:18:02,519 throughout the game. Right, he's gonna be like, well, you 406 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,680 only you pay me per scene here, Neil Druckman. You know, 407 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,279 it's like, so, yeah, no, that's a good point. So 408 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,519 in that case, they should pay him at more. You'll 409 00:18:11,519 --> 00:18:13,279 get them a little bit. But again, busy guy, right, 410 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,480 Mando F four Materialists, He's always in a bunch of stuff. 411 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,640 This guy is working hard. So but yeah, I'll be 412 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,920 excited to see him back because I think we might 413 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,799 get him back one more time next year. Again, there's 414 00:18:23,799 --> 00:18:26,000 still a scene him waiting to happen, which they've not 415 00:18:26,079 --> 00:18:28,799 confirmed if it's changed from the game or they're just 416 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,519 holding it. But the thing is, for me, it's just 417 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:33,200 like if they're holding it again, it's like it's a 418 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,200 long hole because it's gonna be a few years. It's 419 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,400 just gonna feel like, all right, that happened, But you know, 420 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,960 maybe maybe we'll pay off. But yeah, I know, we're 421 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,000 gonna maybe we'll just do something weird. We're gonna just 422 00:18:43,079 --> 00:18:45,279 keep at the back and keep working our way forward. 423 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,279 So in this we had Ellie. Uh, we'll get to 424 00:18:49,279 --> 00:18:51,440 there in a second. Maybe, OK, we'll jump to the 425 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,519 warehouse because that's where we'll go there because it's kind 426 00:18:53,519 --> 00:18:55,400 of an events. It's gonna feel weird if I don't 427 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:59,000 talk about Jesse and the Tarantino fashion. So, uh, they 428 00:18:59,079 --> 00:19:01,839 make this plan. Okays the situation which it's like, it's 429 00:19:01,839 --> 00:19:03,799 like a no dub. They even know that the characters, right, 430 00:19:03,799 --> 00:19:06,559 but they're like wolves are camped over here. Nothing in 431 00:19:06,599 --> 00:19:09,039 the warehouse. There's gotta be something in here, right Uh. 432 00:19:09,279 --> 00:19:11,519 In the game it's one. That's why I was gonna 433 00:19:11,559 --> 00:19:13,880 say you at least just alone. Dina stays back because 434 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:18,200 she's like feeling too prego to go, and then in 435 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,240 the game it's actually just wolves, like it's just like 436 00:19:20,319 --> 00:19:23,440 more soldiers. But then in this it's like the smart 437 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,000 clickers or the stalkers. They put them in there, which 438 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,519 to me both obviously we'll get to it. Both things 439 00:19:28,519 --> 00:19:31,200 make sense as far as uh, Dina going, I feel 440 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,079 like you just get more screen time with them together. 441 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,720 You add on the chemistry. I like the two characters, 442 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,400 so that makes sense of her just like I'm gonna 443 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,279 stay back here. And I feel like now them shooting 444 00:19:39,319 --> 00:19:41,680 her the arrow was them doing that of like she 445 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:43,920 can no longer go, you know, like that was them 446 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,759 doing that. So it's like okay, but uh and this 447 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,759 it makes sense from like a cinematic point of view 448 00:19:49,839 --> 00:19:54,759 if you're like playing against like playing against wolves and 449 00:19:54,799 --> 00:19:56,319 stalkers are very different than the games. But I just 450 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,440 feel like, if you're making a show for people, this 451 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,799 is a show that already it only has like doesn't 452 00:20:01,799 --> 00:20:03,599 have like a lot of clickers or zombies, right, like 453 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,359 has the Themount, but there's many episodes where they're in 454 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,119 there for a little bit or they go missing. So 455 00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:09,279 I thought it was probably a better choice to make 456 00:20:09,319 --> 00:20:12,079 it a bunch of you know, infected people than just 457 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,400 like a couple, you know, a few soldiers, same thing 458 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,799 plays out, Jesse comes and saves her. But uh so 459 00:20:16,839 --> 00:20:19,000 that's the change there that instead of soldiers it's clicker 460 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,200 you know, soccers. And I thought that was good because 461 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,039 it was a good reveal of all there's one and 462 00:20:23,079 --> 00:20:25,519 then eve. When you see two, you're like, Okay, that 463 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,920 changes the situation because I think Ellie makes a terrible 464 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,720 plan where she's like, well, let's split up again every 465 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,720 horror movie's taught you. And then the idea is, well, 466 00:20:32,759 --> 00:20:34,880 we're gonna wait for one to rush you and then 467 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,400 we'll like ransack the other one. But it's like these 468 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,119 things are fat, Like what do you mean wait for 469 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,480 the other one to rush you? Like, I feel like 470 00:20:41,519 --> 00:20:43,720 there's so many like issues of that plan. I would 471 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,559 have just been like, yeah, we stay inside by side, 472 00:20:45,839 --> 00:20:47,960 or just use Ellie's a fucking shield and figure it out. 473 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:49,680 You can't get She's even like, oh I can get 474 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,160 a bit A lot of times that Ky then stand 475 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,240 in front of me, I have a knife, let's go. 476 00:20:53,279 --> 00:20:55,480 But then great reveal they see a second You're like, okay, 477 00:20:55,519 --> 00:20:57,880 that changed plan. But then there's like at least a 478 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,559 dozen of them in there, and then you know why 479 00:20:59,559 --> 00:21:01,200 they don't go there. So I thought overall was a 480 00:21:01,759 --> 00:21:03,799 good scene pacing and reveal wise. 481 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely, I like the reveal of like multiple 482 00:21:07,759 --> 00:21:10,240 It was good tension build up of even just the one, 483 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,119 because like, yeah, if like Belly gets if Belly, if 484 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:20,680 Ellie gets bit, then Finn. Yeah, But like if Dina 485 00:21:20,759 --> 00:21:22,920 gets bit, then like that that's a huge factor. So 486 00:21:23,279 --> 00:21:25,440 I thought even having just the one stalker there was 487 00:21:25,759 --> 00:21:29,559 good tension, and then yeah, it obviously spiraled into an 488 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,960 uncontrollable situation. And yeah, like when Ellie's like, oh I 489 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,319 can bit, I can get bit. So many times it's 490 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,599 just like that is such a horrible plan, Like what 491 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,400 if they just bite you right in the fucking juggler 492 00:21:39,519 --> 00:21:44,039 or something like I know, yeah, yeah exactly, or like 493 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,640 just infection overall, Like it seems even if you don't 494 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,000 get infected for a zombie, like your wound could just 495 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,039 get infected. It just seems so uh, something that did 496 00:21:54,039 --> 00:21:56,640 not make sense. So it you you confirming that it 497 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,480 was you know, a different threat in that sequence makes 498 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,279 a lot more sense to me because it's just seems 499 00:22:00,279 --> 00:22:03,960 so ridiculous, like the initial plan. I was really surprised 500 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,799 when Jesse showed up though. That was like, I don't know, 501 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,799 just the idea of I don't know, like in hindsight, 502 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,160 it makes sense that him and Tommy would have, you know, 503 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,880 went and chased after these two, but in the moment, 504 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,880 that was like the last person I would have expected. 505 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,440 I thought it was just gonna be I don't even know, 506 00:22:20,559 --> 00:22:22,279 like a Wolf member or something like someone that we've 507 00:22:22,319 --> 00:22:26,119 already seen before, fucking Abby who knows. So I was 508 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,599 pretty pretty shocked for that reveal. 509 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: Which again I don't understand. Jesse's there saves them and 510 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,559 they're like, you're here alone with Tommy. So I don't 511 00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:38,319 really understand why they changed it from the game where 512 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,119 Tommy went after the wolves and then they linked out 513 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,880 with Tommy later on. I don't know if it's just 514 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,680 because I guess they did those town scenes where they 515 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,079 did the vote and all that stuff, and maybe they 516 00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:51,119 want Tommy there, but it just felt again, I don't 517 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,440 know why to change it. You're the the end results 518 00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:55,880 the same as far as in the game, Tommy goes first, 519 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,920 they follows tracks this one. Elli and Dina go first, 520 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,880 Tommy comes and they they meet up at the theater. 521 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,240 So just feels odd. Again. That's where it's If it's 522 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:04,640 not that it's like a negative, I would just like 523 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,359 to know, like, hey, why was this change made? You know, 524 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,759 because you have the actor he was in more like 525 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:13,440 in the game he's in less the thing happens Joel here, like, fuck, 526 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,079 I'm going out to these people, and he's gone, and 527 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:16,559 this he was in more, he's in the town, he's 528 00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:18,559 talking with Ellie, So maybe they just won that scene. 529 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:20,440 But it's like him and Ellie still have like in 530 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:21,960 the games when they meet up, they still have those 531 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,519 scenes where they talk about Joel. So very curious why 532 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,200 some of these changes were made. But yeah, because at 533 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,920 first I thought, okay, it's Jesse there alone, that's still 534 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,359 changed where Tommy's back of town whatever, but no, it 535 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,079 sounds like he's still there, so I couldn't tell you. 536 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:35,640 I don't know. 537 00:23:35,839 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 2: So yeah, it also makes me think that we're really 538 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,759 not gonna be checking in with the town, probably not 539 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:41,680 all this whole season. 540 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,799 Speaker 1: Well I guess next week though, right, because that's a flashback, 541 00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:45,160 so you get you're not checking into the town. 542 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 2: But yeah, I guess current chronological order. 543 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, uh let's see here. So uh there they which 544 00:23:53,559 --> 00:23:55,559 I really like, they're running, you know, the wolf scene 545 00:23:55,599 --> 00:23:57,799 and whatnot, and they see this gate which of course 546 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,599 just like get through that we'll get lost, and then 547 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,000 they still just like, oh, they're you know, they're not 548 00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:03,920 gonna come back if they do shoot them, because it's like, yeah, 549 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,720 well like ol, so you gotta run, but you think 550 00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:07,839 there's gonna be open gate to these fucking creepy ass 551 00:24:07,839 --> 00:24:09,839 woods and just it's like we can hide from them. 552 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,960 There not gonna happen. We get some more Scars action 553 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,799 going on, or they've Canepto and the guy which is dude, 554 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:20,200 It's like, so are you the like I can't remember 555 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,680 how it works in the game. Offuly, you don't just 556 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,119 want to go into Wolves or Scars territory when it's 557 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,759 at night. But at the same time, it's like if 558 00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:29,640 I'm here and let's say we have a geek for 559 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:34,359 his clan, right, and I'm like that fence, so like 560 00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:37,000 a geek for his crew, I'll say, and like, let's 561 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,680 say that fences. I don't know because they have all 562 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,000 these posts, right, there's guys and watchtowers and run around. 563 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,599 They got lights and everything. I don't know. Maybe it's 564 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,160 I'll say, to be generous fifty feet away and let's 565 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,759 just say it. Oh yeah, I haven't seen dial in 566 00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:51,720 a couple hours. And then the woods I hear to no, don't, 567 00:24:51,759 --> 00:24:54,279 I'll tell you everything. Like I thought the woods was 568 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,039 comically close that you could just. 569 00:24:57,039 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 2: Hear like like a park, you know, and there was 570 00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:03,279 just like around it, I completely agree with you. 571 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: Like it felt like can you not just run in 572 00:25:05,759 --> 00:25:09,000 there and be like like, again, it's nighttime. They might 573 00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:12,279 have trapped bon Air or sure, but Isaac last episode 574 00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:13,440 was like, at the end of the day, you guys 575 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,160 are gonna lose. We have hospitals, we have a like, 576 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,400 we have technology, we have weapons, We're gonna kill you. 577 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,400 And then the guy just like, well, we have her right, 578 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,519 why are you not. She's like, hey, everyone just fucking 579 00:25:23,559 --> 00:25:25,759 load up. We're gonna take especially maybe they don't like 580 00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:27,640 this guy, but it's like some guy's being tortured in there. 581 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,960 And if not, it's like they're so close, Like it 582 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,559 feels like a top secret gag, Like they're so close. 583 00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:35,759 It's like why not one night everyone just get to you, Like, 584 00:25:35,839 --> 00:25:38,079 let's fucking just eradicate this group. Now. It'd be different 585 00:25:38,079 --> 00:25:41,839 if it just felt like when Alli and company got 586 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,119 in there, they like turn their right and then torture 587 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,359 scenes going on. It's not like they're walking for miles, right, 588 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:48,799 Let's say it's emed been a day and it's like, 589 00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:50,920 oh fuck, they're deep in the woods. It's like, no, 590 00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:53,480 you're like a hop skipping a jump to like Andy 591 00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:55,960 being tortured and no one gives a fucking wolves. They're 592 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,359 hanging out there, you know, playing Tic tac toe whatever 593 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,759 they're doing, but they ain't saving their boy. So I 594 00:26:01,839 --> 00:26:03,440 kind of left, and then I also left it. I 595 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,720 felt like they shot something and lost the footager. I 596 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,000 don't know what happened, but when Dina got shot, she 597 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,720 like zero reaction in the game to clarify, Fore, she 598 00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:17,279 got shot with the bone arrow to clarify uh. In 599 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,599 the game, Ellie at this point is alone and she 600 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,799 climbs up and then she gets shot in the shoulder 601 00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:23,400 and she falls down. She takes it out, and that's 602 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,200 the game's way of being like if you get shot 603 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,359 by an arrow, like it it's in a game. It 604 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,839 explains what happens. But I'll be curious next week. When 605 00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:32,079 Ellie goes back to the theater in the game, she's 606 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,000 all fucked up and Dina's like cleaning her wounds and everything. 607 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,519 But like, Dina just got shot with an arrow, and 608 00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:38,559 it's like a really sensual scene. So or I guess 609 00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:40,440 two weeks from now, So like, I don't think you're 610 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,759 gonna have Jesse. Mine are supposed to be the game 611 00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:44,640 circle and she gets back. She takes off all her 612 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,680 clothes because she's just dirty and bruise, and it's a 613 00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:49,960 scene of Dina like bathing or right, Dina got shot 614 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,599 in the leg. I don't think that's gonna happen. I 615 00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:53,839 don't think it's the same impact of Jesse's doing that. 616 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,119 So I'm like, and Ellie's not even that fucked up 617 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,200 in the scene, like in at the end, right, she 618 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,440 looks fine. But yeah, in this it was just like 619 00:27:01,799 --> 00:27:03,400 arrowshot and they looked down and he was like and 620 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,480 thee's aarons like ah, Like it felt a little like 621 00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:10,079 to me, like like parody, like it just it felt 622 00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:12,000 like I've never been shot with the arrow, so maybe 623 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,200 it just feels like a rock. But it felt like 624 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,680 she took it like a fucking champ. She's like a 625 00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:18,960 term there. She didn't even react and then after it 626 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,359 falls down they go carrier. But yeah, so I kind 627 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,440 of I don't think that sequence was the cleanest, I'll say, 628 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,440 for multid reasons. 629 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,279 Speaker 2: For myself, Yeah, no, I completely agree with you. It 630 00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:33,480 felt like because they were so close to everything that 631 00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:36,039 was going on, like them being the scars and just 632 00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:39,680 that whole situation. It just seems so random. It seemed like, Okay, 633 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,240 our threat is the wolves and infected here, so let's 634 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,519 just leave it at that, Like why do we have 635 00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:47,119 to have the sequence where we just see them disembowel 636 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,799 this guy like gut them like a fish. It was 637 00:27:50,839 --> 00:27:55,079 definitely like a gruesome sequence, but in my mind, it 638 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,640 just seemed like, Okay, this is this is a really 639 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,640 gross shot. Throw this in here, and you know they're. 640 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,319 Speaker 1: Some big reveal. It's like, oh yeah, it's not like 641 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:06,920 this is a reveal, like, oh the Scars are doing. 642 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,279 It's like, no, We've had like two episodes to be like, yeah, 643 00:28:09,319 --> 00:28:10,720 they fucking dismbel people, you know. 644 00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:13,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, like, as someone that hasn't played the game, 645 00:28:13,839 --> 00:28:15,799 like this, this makes no sense to have the Scars here, 646 00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:19,480 Like let's just have the wolves rush them into this 647 00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:22,000 wooded area and then they're just trying to find them 648 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,960 and like that's really intense, you know, like they have 649 00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:29,079 dogs like that, that's a big threat. But you know, 650 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,559 it sounds like that kind of is what happens in 651 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,160 the game to an extent of just they come across 652 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,839 the Scars in this little wooded area. 653 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,519 Speaker 1: I feel like it's the longer sings, but yeah, i'd 654 00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:39,799 have to recall about the and I don't even know 655 00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:41,359 if that torture scene is there, but I just know 656 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,720 that Elliott shot the arrow because I think it might 657 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,160 just be a seene where she runs in there and 658 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,359 you know, has to get away. But uh, yeah, it 659 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,799 felt felt a little odd there. But yeah, she gets shot, 660 00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:55,559 take her back to the theater, and then Eli decides 661 00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:58,160 not to go. So it'll be interest see what happens 662 00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,880 next week or two weeks from now, because you're gonna 663 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,039 have to find out the pregnancy. You're gonna have to 664 00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:04,240 And I wonder if they're trying to change that up 665 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,000 to which I don't understand why they would, because Dina 666 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,640 obviously eventually just does not continue on the venture because 667 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,480 she is pregnant, and we always see the effects that, 668 00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:14,960 like she's getting sick a lot, more, get more fatigued. 669 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,680 So I just wandered in the show if they're just like, well, 670 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,079 we don't want Dina to be like a fucking pussy, 671 00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:21,480 so we're gonna shoot in a leg with an arrow. 672 00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:23,759 It's like I can, like, I think it's a believable. 673 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,759 Most people they get pregnant it's believable and modern day 674 00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:29,079 regular stuff. They're too tired to do things, so in 675 00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:32,640 this one they are hunting, fighting stalkers, clickers, wolves, Like, 676 00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:36,079 I don't think it reads. It's like, man, we feel female. 677 00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:39,240 Dina couldn't couldn't do the entry. Hey, Like, I'm just 678 00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:41,359 wondering why they had her be shot and I feel 679 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,599 like that's what they're gonna do. They're like, well, Jessica 680 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,720 mag well, she's pregnant, she's shot. She can't go on 681 00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:47,799 with you in the venture. But it's like, I know, 682 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,279 so again, some things I would just love to be like, 683 00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:51,319 why is this change? Like her being pregnant is a 684 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,200 good enough reason for her to maybe sit a couple 685 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,279 of missions out, you know, But I don't know. 686 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,519 Speaker 2: So, yeah, do you think we'll get that next week? 687 00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: If no, I keep saying next week, But I mean 688 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,240 in two weeks, yeah, and two weeks we're gonna get that. 689 00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:08,279 I know exactly whe're ending down. I'm pretty sure I 690 00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:13,640 thought that's where we were going to end. But uh yeah, 691 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,400 I don't want to say more, but it we just 692 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,640 did a few things a different way, but it's it's 693 00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:21,559 exactly where I thought we were going to end, and 694 00:30:21,599 --> 00:30:23,240 that makes me very curious for what they're gonna do 695 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:25,559 for season three. But they've already changed them stuff up 696 00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:27,160 with the story and Abby that I don't know if 697 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,319 they're going to do it, and uh again, people just 698 00:30:29,559 --> 00:30:31,599 hate Abby, so I don't I don't know they're gonna 699 00:30:31,599 --> 00:30:32,680 I don't know what they're gonna do there. 700 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 2: So yeah, I was gonna pose a question to you, 701 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,279 but that's probably a bad idea since you kind of know. 702 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,839 Speaker 1: Someone I can if I walk around it. 703 00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:42,519 Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna ask myself, I guess who's going 704 00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:44,960 to run into Tommy? First? I kind of think that 705 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,440 Tommy's gonna find Ellie like he'll he'll kind of be 706 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:47,720 the one. 707 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: Well, I guess. I don't know though, right because they 708 00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:51,079 changed it from the game. So in the game, I 709 00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:54,160 think he's just like I think I think he just 710 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:59,400 like in the in the first game, in the first 711 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,680 thing in the game, he's just gone, like he wakes 712 00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:05,079 up and then those because remember there's not a three 713 00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:07,240 month jump in the game. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I 714 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,920 don't think this, So what happens up like yeah, and 715 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,039 then what happens is instead of which, again, I don't 716 00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:15,079 know why they change instead of in this show it's 717 00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:18,039 Ellie and Dina tracking the wolves down doing the map, 718 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,640 it's them falling in Tommy's footsteps off, He's been here, 719 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,400 He's left this. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so that's why I 720 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,119 don't actually even know they answer that question. I think 721 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,119 he's just gonna show up in the theater. I think 722 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,839 that's what happens in the game. They just he just 723 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,079 shows up in the theater and finds out they're there 724 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,960 or something like that. But yeah, in the game, I 725 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,559 don't think it's like they bump into them if I 726 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,720 were call I know, he ends up back of the theater, 727 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,440 which is not big spoiler because like, what the fuck 728 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,960 is his name? Jesse said, Hey, we're gonna go back 729 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,599 to the theater and Tommy's there, right or whatever, so 730 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,559 it's not like a big thing. So yeah, I think 731 00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:47,640 they just kind of he just kind of finds them 732 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,680 and that's that. So I don't know what they're gonna 733 00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:54,079 what they're gonna happen. So interesting, Yeah, And I was 734 00:31:54,119 --> 00:31:56,400 just trying to find something else but take us in 735 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:57,279 a direction here. 736 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 2: I mean to just sandwich the scenes that we talked about. 737 00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:03,519 Since we're at the end here. Uh. The part of 738 00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:06,200 the episode that I was really like, this is where 739 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,440 I was, you know, getting all scoochy on my couch 740 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,519 and uh, rubbing my palms together. It was when really 741 00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:14,559 starting to see this like dark side of Ellie, Like 742 00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:16,440 when she grabbed when she corners Nora. 743 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:24,119 Speaker 3: She did this guy when she was right down the 744 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:30,680 Elvis funny. 745 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: Oh man, she literally said that, but just added Nora 746 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,599 at the end of it, I want to fucking kill you. 747 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,799 Nora is like, oh, she's she's enacting her in her 748 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,079 Patrick Dempsey right now. 749 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 2: When yeah, when Nora realized that like she's breathing spores, 750 00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:47,759 she's completely cornered. And then this lady that's walking up 751 00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:51,759 to her, not only it's like after you for brutally 752 00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:55,559 killing Joel, this Fatherlake figure to her. She can breathe 753 00:32:55,559 --> 00:32:57,440 the spores and it's immune, and it's just like, oh, 754 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,400 I'm so fucked Like she could torture for hours here 755 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,599 and no one can come save me because nobody can 756 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,000 come down here. Like, yeah, that was I kind of 757 00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:09,400 assumed we were gonna go this route of like Ellie 758 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,200 just getting like really gearing into her anger more so 759 00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:16,559 than just what like a moody teen would be. So yeah, 760 00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:20,720 I was was pretty pretty pumped. I think in this 761 00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:23,200 sequence of just seeing the dark side of Ellie here, 762 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,200 and I mean, if she's doing this to Nora, I 763 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,160 can only imagine what she would want to do if 764 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,480 she can eventually get to to Abby. So yeah, no, 765 00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:36,240 really really brutal. Also, I felt like in the sequence, 766 00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:39,559 like from episode two, I really felt like everyone around 767 00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:42,400 Abby like thought Abby was going like way too far, 768 00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:44,000 But like in this moment, it's like, oh no, they 769 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,039 truly fucking hate Joel, like they truly see him being 770 00:33:48,279 --> 00:33:51,839 like this just mass murderer. I mean he is, But 771 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,279 like I just thought that maybe there'd be a lot 772 00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:57,960 more like sympathy for like yeah, no she I mean 773 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,240 I guess she kind of says that, like we didn't 774 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,960 want you to see that, nobody should be able to 775 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:02,319 see that. 776 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,279 Speaker 1: Called them a little bitch. 777 00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:08,119 Speaker 2: Yeah that's true, a little bitch deserved what he got 778 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,719 like that. That was like, okay, no, like they she's 779 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,039 gonna die feeling that way, And uh yeah, she got 780 00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:18,000 some busted kneecass with that steel pipe. As she's just 781 00:34:18,039 --> 00:34:20,760 like having an asthma attack, she's breathing in these spores. 782 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:24,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, this was something that I enjoy. It's so funny 783 00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:27,239 because I thought, well, no, I guess I'll take that back, 784 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,000 because I guess kind of like this other game, that 785 00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:31,519 maybe this character will come back and flashback something because 786 00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:32,960 she's like not like a big actor, but she's like 787 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,400 a bigger actor. Maybe we talked about in a few 788 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,239 things go uncharted and you like that tattoa Gabrielle like, 789 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,639 and I like her a lot, so, like I thought 790 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:41,920 she was good here, so I'm sure we could see 791 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,480 her again in the future. But yeah, so that is 792 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:49,199 almost identical where it's like, Okay, it's like a longer sequence, 793 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,199 but the like, O, you know, he died like a 794 00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:52,880 little bit or whatever it says, because yeah, I think 795 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,000 that's a good point of It's it's a tough situation 796 00:34:56,039 --> 00:34:57,639 because you want the person dead and maybe you're not 797 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,159 completely down for the torture, or maybe it's you know, 798 00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:02,559 it was just something that you have to do to 799 00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:04,280 send a message. Or maybe they do think Abby went 800 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,519 too far, but they probably still think like, yeah, fuck 801 00:35:06,559 --> 00:35:08,159 this guy though, because he killed a lot of people. 802 00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:10,960 I think this is one scene again where this is 803 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,840 where I will no matter what people like, it's tough 804 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,639 for me. I have to dock at points. The game 805 00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:18,519 in the scene is much or the scene the game 806 00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:22,079 is much better, because for most of the scene was 807 00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:26,280 her telling Ellie like, hey, you know, he killed a 808 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,239 bunch of people in the hospital, something that could do 809 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,199 a cure. That's Abby's dad. So two things. One that 810 00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:33,599 doesn't happen in the game because at this point you 811 00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:36,199 don't know that they're revealing that they're saving that from 812 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,280 because I watched back just to be sure. The only 813 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,440 line Nora says he killed a lot of people, which 814 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,559 is like, well, that could be told at any point, right, 815 00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:44,760 Like it doesn't matter what it's for, right, And it's 816 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,719 more stuff of she says like, oh well, I'm already 817 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,559 infected with sports. I'm not gonna do anything. And Ellie 818 00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:53,679 leans down and she already has the pull and says 819 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,320 I can make it, Like she goes, why would you 820 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,840 tell me? Why would I tell you anything? And all 821 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,639 he goes, I can make it quick or I could 822 00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:00,800 make it long. And that's thing where the whole scene though, 823 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,679 for me, was just it's just like I don't know 824 00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:09,559 what they're doing because they don't we already everyone knows this. 825 00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:12,480 Ellie already knows what happened here. She's already figured out, 826 00:36:12,559 --> 00:36:15,239 like they came back and killed Joel right, and the 827 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,599 show revealed this to us in the first scene in 828 00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:19,920 the series, was fucking Abby by all these graves. So 829 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,079 I just I don't know why they keep trying to 830 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,400 like they're just obsessed with like, hey, you know, it's 831 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,119 like people will forget why they killed off Pedro Pascal, like, oh, 832 00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:31,840 he's a bad guy and he killed some people. And 833 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,239 Abby's dad, It's like you already told people that. I 834 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,400 think people understand it's not been that many weeks. But 835 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,559 so I was this point where in this and it's 836 00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:41,039 both I'd say a similar length, but in the scene 837 00:36:41,079 --> 00:36:42,960 even just that I thought in the video game, Ellie's 838 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,599 more threatening just by saying like hey, like I can 839 00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:48,320 just kill you right now and it Ore'm gonna fucking 840 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,000 torture you. But all of Nora's dialogue is replaced with 841 00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:54,960 just telling Abby's motivations again, which is odd because I 842 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,760 feel like at some point, whether Abby tells us or 843 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,400 there's flashbacks, we're gonna get this again through app So 844 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,599 I just don't know why. And this is where something 845 00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:07,480 that for me, it just completely it's it's only a 846 00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:10,480 video game thing where that's where docking points because I've 847 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,519 just seen like a better to me, a better version. 848 00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:15,320 I still like that. And even then with the scene 849 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,760 of like like they showed us with Abby telling you 850 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,039 know the grave, we know that you don't need her 851 00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:23,039 to say this stuff again. You know, they even showed 852 00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:25,559 a flashback, right, they just showed a flashback of young 853 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,639 Abby walking around finding her dad, Like I would just 854 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,840 rather than have more of the dialogue from the game 855 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,880 where it's just showing Ellie's more vicious. And that's where 856 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,760 I think they did that well. I think Belle did 857 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,760 that well, and I think it's great. I'd still curious 858 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,840 to see what the general reaction is because I still 859 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,199 don't know if they've done a good enough job making 860 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,159 it feel that these people are you're rooting against Ellie. 861 00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:47,880 Because the thing that I think works in the game, 862 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,000 which you can't do in a show is when you 863 00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:54,280 when you strike Nora, you're the one hidding the square button. 864 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,519 You're the one having to do that. Oh there you go, 865 00:37:56,599 --> 00:37:59,159 thumbs up for killing Nora. But like, so that's where 866 00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:01,079 it feels bad. Where it's like, oh'm watch this cut 867 00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:03,039 scene and who knows why I'm doing this, But when 868 00:38:03,039 --> 00:38:06,639 you're actively doing the like hits like this is fucked. 869 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,639 Speaker 2: Up, Like the torture scene in GTA, like that one, yeah, 870 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,519 where you just feel unsettled even though you're like it's 871 00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:12,280 a video game, but. 872 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, where you can't do that in a show. So 873 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,239 I get that. But that's where I think that's in 874 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,159 the dialogue. I wish it would have just made Ellie 875 00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:20,880 a bit more threatening, of like, Okay, we can't have 876 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,320 the viewers physically make Ellie do this, but let's make 877 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,599 her a little more. I like bell as far as 878 00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:30,480 I think. I think the difference between Ellie in the 879 00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:33,239 game and Bella in the show, I think I've finally 880 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,199 figured out it's Ellie in the game feels like a 881 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,239 ferocious animal. We're in the show she kind of feels 882 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:40,920 like a little bit of a psychopath. She has like 883 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,760 a little dexter Brian thing going on. Because to me, 884 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,360 that look, and I think it was on purpose, Belle's 885 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,480 look when Nora's talking, she just looks fucking dead, Pam Like, 886 00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:51,760 she looks like she has zero motion, where Ellie in 887 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,639 the game is very like just fucking a rat, like 888 00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:57,039 a like a bowl in a china shop, like ready 889 00:38:57,119 --> 00:38:59,000 to go, and like I'm like, tell me when I 890 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,239 need to fucking kill. They were Bell's like deliveries like 891 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,280 very calm and very like unsettling. So I do prefer 892 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,679 the game version of Ellie still because I like those choices, 893 00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:11,280 but I like Belle's choices still. So yeah, there's just 894 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,000 some change up. I just don't know why she had 895 00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:15,519 to tell us again that what jold Dad's like we 896 00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:18,639 all know. I just I'm just very confused by this 897 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,840 whole thing with the Abby and the origin. I just 898 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:23,559 I don't know. I just don't know why to keep 899 00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:26,360 reinforcing it. But maybe maybe it'll explain more at the 900 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,360 end of the season. 901 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, for what you detail, it definitely 902 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,039 sounds like a better version of it there. I mean, 903 00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:35,679 I can just kind of judge it for what I 904 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,559 got here, So I am glad I kind of see 905 00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:40,480 the lesser version of it. I am going to be 906 00:39:40,519 --> 00:39:44,079 intrigued even by like next season if I'm looking back 907 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,400 on this how they told the abb like kind of 908 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,480 the Abby reveal thing, how they did it so early 909 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,840 because you know, I went through this for the first time, 910 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,679 this show version, and this is my first time judging 911 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,599 it as it is, But I think this would have 912 00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:02,519 been all much more gripping of a scene, you know, 913 00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:06,159 to get some reveals through us beating the shit out 914 00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:08,840 of Nora's knee here, you know, like as opposed to 915 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,599 I already know the answers and I'm just seeing an 916 00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:14,440 angry Ellie beat the absolutely living hell out of this 917 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:19,119 this lady that's dying, and I'm just, yeah, I'm interested 918 00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:22,840 in seeing other situations of this because I know Ellie's 919 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,239 gonna be finding other members, you know that were there 920 00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:27,760 torturing Joel, Like, is it gonna be this reoccurring thing 921 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,840 kind of what you've already man, Abby's father who was 922 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,440 trying to find the curates. 923 00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:37,639 Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, which I will That's why I don't understand, 924 00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:40,519 I will say, hopefully not, because I I will say 925 00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:42,599 that they've skipped a lot of stuff that's because of 926 00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:44,840 game playing whatnot, right, Like you can't just always do 927 00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:47,679 like Ellie and the bushes, Ellie in a warehouse, whatnot. 928 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,440 But I'd say, like this is around the time you 929 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,519 do get revealed that Okay, Abby, like Abby's motivation, so like, 930 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,119 I don't hope that many characters will do that in 931 00:40:57,199 --> 00:40:59,679 season three of like explaining what's going on, we'll get 932 00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:03,920 that sense. But again, Nora never needed to we understand, 933 00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:06,639 Like I guess maybe it's just for the fucking illiterate 934 00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:09,360 who did not understand like Abby by all these dead bodies. 935 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,880 Like I just feel like if you watched the show, 936 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,320 you because the game doesn't start that way. If you 937 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,320 watch the show, let's say you binge it. Season one 938 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,400 ends with the hospital and the season two picks up 939 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,119 with a bunch of people buy Firefly Graves. I feel 940 00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:25,360 like most people that pass, like even that maybe failed 941 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,159 high school can put two and two together, like, oh, 942 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,400 he's probably the people that Joel killed, huh. And then 943 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,559 later on they still do a flashback where it's like, oh, 944 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,280 if you didn't understand Abby, and then there there's one 945 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,039 hundred there's some fucking execs somewhere where like, well flashback 946 00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:40,559 was maybe a little uh yeah, Like I don't know 947 00:41:40,559 --> 00:41:42,159 if people really gone it. So can you have Nora 948 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,559 literally explain Abby's motivations? It's like, I don't know, you just. 949 00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 2: Got the creator of the game just fucking oh yeah. 950 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 1: And then they slim a check. He's like, that's fine, Yeah, 951 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,239 Nora should tell Nor should say that two instances. Yeah, 952 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,199 super mi Cu is also a big fan of the 953 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,360 games place. Yeah, it does feel like the show's approaching 954 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,079 audience with kid Gloves compared to the game. It feels 955 00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:06,039 like they are afraid that some people react to the 956 00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:09,679 game and some softening things, which I just don't like 957 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,760 is softening the thing really because and I can never know, 958 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,119 right because the Abbey hate it's this weird make sure 959 00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:17,199 it's like the Last Jedi thing where it's like, I 960 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,159 know there's people that actually dislike the movie, but there's 961 00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:22,519 a bunch of people that like they made Star Wars woke, 962 00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:24,360 you know, And that's the thing where it's like, for me, 963 00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:28,000 majority of the hate I thought was because like Abby's 964 00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:29,880 this big, powerful buff mail and they give her a 965 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,119 bunch of scenes that like shores a dominant females like 966 00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:37,079 I don't know, in in my like fucking a couple 967 00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:39,920 of years ago, run a rousey, very physical fit woman 968 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,519 I think just herself could take down Joel Miller. So 969 00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:45,480 then in the video game, when they like get Abby, 970 00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:48,000 who's like her whole what happens is her dad gets 971 00:42:48,039 --> 00:42:50,440 killed and she's like, I'm gonna get fucking become a machine. 972 00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:52,719 So when I find this guy could overpower him, I 973 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,719 could still believe Pedro Pascal could like lose to a 974 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,320 run a Rousey or some fucking Ria Ripley and the 975 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,079 w like some big like chick that's been training. So 976 00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:02,840 that's why I just don't know if that's the case 977 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,039 of like maybe that like I'm trying to say, if 978 00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:08,519 they're looking at the not the idiot people of like, oh, 979 00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:11,639 people really didn't like Abby killing Joel, So instead of 980 00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:14,079 making her like understanding her, we're just gonna go with 981 00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:15,960 what people went with and just make her a villain. 982 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:21,639 For me, that's just a much less interesting situation because like, Okay, 983 00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:24,320 you got a bad guy that's like that is still 984 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,920 like justified in what she did, but you don't you're 985 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,119 not getting the nuance of actually feeling for that character. 986 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:33,880 It's just like a Thanos where it's like, oh, I 987 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,639 get that it's the point of view, but we still 988 00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:37,760 got to fucking take them down. To me after playing 989 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,199 the game, that shouldn't be Abby. Abby shouldn't be like, oh, 990 00:43:40,199 --> 00:43:41,519 I get her point of view, but we need to 991 00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:43,159 take her down. It's supposed to be kind of a 992 00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:44,920 tragic thing where like I said, and he can't do 993 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,119 it now, but you like hate this character for like 994 00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:49,679 twenty five hours and then something happened. He's like, oh fuck, 995 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,960 I misread this whole thing. And you do put yourself 996 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,079 in that situation because not only it's like it's not 997 00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:56,440 just her dad, it's dozens of people, and as a 998 00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,079 person that could make a cure, it's like a trifecta 999 00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:01,440 of man, Joe really did fuck us up. Like again, 1000 00:44:01,519 --> 00:44:03,880 that's a whole debate of should have Ellie died whatever, 1001 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,320 but that is a that's a big fucking no no 1002 00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:09,719 to do all that stuff. But again, I just feel like, 1003 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,840 and I don't know, it's weird because I agree with 1004 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,880 you might with the kid's gloves. It's like I would 1005 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,960 understand if this was somewhere else, but it's like it's 1006 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,280 fucking HBO. Like HBO is no, like they're the least 1007 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,000 kid gloves play. So again, I'm hoping that at the 1008 00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:24,559 end the season they might talk about some of these 1009 00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:26,360 changes or they might not just be like, ah, we 1010 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,199 only want to justify it. But it just I it 1011 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,880 just caught me off guard again to reiterate the last 1012 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,320 time of her explaining it, and again, I'm curious to 1013 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,599 see what happens because I don't think we're seeing Abby 1014 00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:40,280 much of this season. We got the flashback next week, 1015 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,760 which I don't think she's just gonna pop up and 1016 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,119 be like, there's the handsome Joel, Like that's not gonna happen. 1017 00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:46,800 And then even I know we'll see her in the 1018 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,159 finale of the season two, but who knows how much 1019 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,199 could be a full episode, could be half, could be 1020 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,519 just like a little bit. Maybe she's like a cliffhanger. 1021 00:44:54,599 --> 00:44:56,960 I don't know, but I don't think we're if you 1022 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,239 ask me, I don't I think Abby could be in 1023 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,320 the finale. Five percent is like be generous in my opinion, 1024 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,000 unless there's something I don't know where it's like an 1025 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,840 Abbey centric episode, right. 1026 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,239 Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I think she'll pop up in the finale, 1027 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,440 but she won't be like a lot of extended screen time. Yeah, bro, 1028 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,000 I think we're saving that for next next season. 1029 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,960 Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, we'll take our last e break 1030 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,119 and then we'll be right back. All right, We're back. 1031 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,800 Anything from this last porture minore or anything like that, 1032 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,519 and you want to I want to ask you a question. 1033 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,320 In the Apocalypse when the dog was popping off, will 1034 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,639 do you not just release the dog? Yeah? 1035 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,360 Speaker 2: I was really uh curious as to what was going 1036 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,079 on there, and I found it so hilarious that they 1037 00:45:40,119 --> 00:45:45,360 like get to this hole where like clearly a clearly 1038 00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:51,960 a scar crawled in there, an enemy of rills, a 1039 00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:54,800 fucking infected could go in this hole, and then he 1040 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,039 jots it down to it being like a fucking raccoon, 1041 00:45:57,159 --> 00:45:57,920 Like are you kidding me? 1042 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:03,280 Speaker 4: He's like here the whole eyes as his dog's like, hey, owner, 1043 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,199 there's a fucking enemy in here. Like I it just 1044 00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,400 seems so dumb, like such a dumb NPC move. 1045 00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:12,599 Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, Belle Ramsey's a very tiny person, right, 1046 00:46:12,679 --> 00:46:15,119 but that hole that they went down, it didn't seem 1047 00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:17,039 like only a very tiny person could go like. It 1048 00:46:17,079 --> 00:46:19,280 seemed like we could still get through that. We tested 1049 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,440 on a movie where kirklet and through some windows. I 1050 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,320 was like it that felt very and I'm not sure 1051 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:25,920 if that happens to be a game. I can't remember it, 1052 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,599 but I was like, because like, okay, maybe you don't 1053 00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:30,159 release the dog because you know, again bidden you've lost 1054 00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:32,400 a dog. But I still thought it was like, whoever 1055 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,880 is that security detail fire? He took way too long, 1056 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,400 like whoa, buddy, come down? Whoa. It's like, no, like 1057 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,440 fallow the dog, they maybe don't release it off leash then, 1058 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,159 but like fall like put some peppier step like he 1059 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,440 was moving so fucking slow. I guess you don't want 1060 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:45,960 to click her to jump out and bite you, So 1061 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,760 I guess that's the point. But I agree with you 1062 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,559 when you get the hole, just like anybody could get 1063 00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:52,920 through this fucking thing, you're like, yeah, whatever, it's like 1064 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,840 a cap that doesn't want to do paperwork, like ah, 1065 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,440 I'm not radioing this in fuck it. 1066 00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:02,679 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. I I also just found it really I 1067 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,719 rolly how easily she got into like the hospital. I mean, 1068 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,039 like that scene, adding adding to the whole thing. But 1069 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,000 she got in there, and then luckily enough, she just 1070 00:47:11,039 --> 00:47:14,519 came across Nora. Then we got already highlighted everything that 1071 00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:19,519 happened there, and yeah, we got. 1072 00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:23,519 Speaker 1: Dina talking about what she did kind of some origins, 1073 00:47:23,519 --> 00:47:25,960 which I liked, as far as why she'd be following 1074 00:47:26,039 --> 00:47:28,519 Ellie through. It was like, hey, my family was killed. 1075 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,639 Luckily I was there killed the guy, but I can 1076 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,599 only imagine if I had to see them tortured. So 1077 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,119 I'm with you if you want to go, with you 1078 00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:36,039 if you don't want to go. Ellie did have a 1079 00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:38,000 moment which again in the game, Dina just stays back 1080 00:47:38,039 --> 00:47:40,840 because she's not feeling good. Ellie, which I appreciate, had 1081 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,519 a moment where she's like, yeah, I should send you back, 1082 00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:44,360 you know, like this is the wrong thing to be 1083 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,039 doing because Dena's already getting tired. But yeah, liked all 1084 00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:52,159 those scenes. Good chemistry here still Yeah, no, I really 1085 00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:54,760 got no notes and I like you all. And Isabelle 1086 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,559 Mercet continues to be great, and I wonder if that's 1087 00:47:56,559 --> 00:47:58,480 why I put her there, because I wonder if because 1088 00:47:58,519 --> 00:48:01,000 it's arrow, whether it's not even next week, but next season, 1089 00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:03,599 if she's gonna like not be a part of some 1090 00:48:03,639 --> 00:48:05,679 stuff and kind of get secluded, whether it's a theater 1091 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,559 or they go back to the town with or wherever. 1092 00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:08,960 Because again I don't know what they'll do with the 1093 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,519 game and the versus the show, but I feel like 1094 00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:14,320 now with this, I was like, Okay, maybe this is 1095 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,840 our We'll get some more content in the finally, but 1096 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,000 we probably might not get too much more Ledna content 1097 00:48:20,039 --> 00:48:21,480 for a little bit of a shot of the arrow 1098 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,360 and like she's pierced arrow and pregnant. Probably not the 1099 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,119 best to be going a bit wolf scars and stalkers. 1100 00:48:28,119 --> 00:48:30,719 But I liked all the stuff here and the Matt 1101 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,320 planning and you know, the guitars, you know, all good stuff. 1102 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,559 Speaker 2: So yeah, no, I can beletely agree with you. I 1103 00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:40,960 liked all their just chemistry scenes. This uh, this poor 1104 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,400 what was their last name, Park, Leon Park, the one 1105 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,320 that was just a spore maker. Is that like something 1106 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:48,960 you come across in the game. It seemed like they 1107 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,519 had a lot of like emphasis on this lady and. 1108 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,719 Speaker 1: That's that sequence is like long or with the like 1109 00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:56,760 the lady in the wall. 1110 00:48:56,519 --> 00:48:58,800 Speaker 2: You mean, or the lady both of them, so it's 1111 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,400 like her son like the start of the episode, right, 1112 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:02,440 she's doing an interview with that. 1113 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,719 Speaker 1: That's all new, Okay, yeah, not even explaining because like 1114 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,039 they set this up. That's why they talked about last 1115 00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:10,440 year spores were in the first game. We're in the 1116 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,159 first season they weren't, so they had I think that 1117 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,360 like great scene. I liked it. As far as this 1118 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,239 explanation of having to leave people, it's in the air. 1119 00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:20,079 But I think they just did that because like, well 1120 00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:21,719 we didn't see the one. We gonna explain to people 1121 00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,119 that it's randomly here now, But yeah, that's always been 1122 00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:28,000 a thing last of us. So the spores are I 1123 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,440 guess now in the game. And I think obviously I 1124 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,400 think we talked about this one. You just don't want 1125 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,760 your actors always to have a fucking gas mask on, right, 1126 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,360 Like as much as people can plain, it's like you're 1127 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,159 paying these people lots of money, Like, did you want 1128 00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:41,559 like half the season page's face to be fucking covered up? 1129 00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:43,480 It's like no, like he's a good looking man, like 1130 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,400 half his face off here. But uh so, yeah, that 1131 00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:49,000 was new in the game, that whole explanation of that 1132 00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:51,119 story or to the show. 1133 00:49:51,559 --> 00:49:53,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess it's a good setup to 1134 00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:56,679 explain like the basement is bad, and then so it 1135 00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,079 by the time Nora falls down there, it's like holy 1136 00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:03,559 function too. Yeah, and then you got Ellie just shooting 1137 00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:06,519 her her handgun at her, like, well, I guess I'm 1138 00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:08,239 just going to the spores, Like what else are you 1139 00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,199 gonna do? Hindsight should have taken the bullet because it 1140 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:13,480 would have been a quicker death. 1141 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, or just when she whatever she threw it r 1142 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,400 I don't know, because in the game she just throws 1143 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,639 like a like a surgical pan she threw. I don't 1144 00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:22,119 know if it was. 1145 00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:24,840 Speaker 2: She was like pouring water in the dirty bandages, so 1146 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,239 she like just threw the bloody water at her. But 1147 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:28,440 it's almost like it stung her. 1148 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,480 Speaker 1: Well, that's why I was wondering, like it disinfected though 1149 00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:32,840 maybe must be that must have been it, but like 1150 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,440 you would have a bare chances to do then then 1151 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,199 like double hooker, you know, like what Ellie did last 1152 00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:39,400 week to the big guy, you know. But uh no, 1153 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,159 I thought that was good the fall down look at 1154 00:50:41,199 --> 00:50:44,320 B two and that was like, oh man, you're completely screen. 1155 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,360 And I also forgot too because Ellie got down there 1156 00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,159 for a second, I'm like, why did she have I'm like, oh, right, 1157 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:52,519 she can't die here, which is just, you know, perfect situation. 1158 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,719 Let's see, they blocked the hospital basement for another reason 1159 00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,559 in the game. I wonder if they'll still do that. Yeah, 1160 00:50:57,679 --> 00:51:01,360 I've wondered that for a while. It's definitely would be 1161 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,920 a bigger budgeted situation. If I'm remembering, Mike, just say 1162 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,119 yes or no, if like that set piece would be 1163 00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:10,840 a bigger budget I could be wrong, but it's something 1164 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:15,559 that I could also see reworked to a different time 1165 00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:18,559 or season. But oh, that's what I was gonna say. 1166 00:51:18,639 --> 00:51:20,079 I can't remember. This is another thing of the game too, 1167 00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:22,400 because you're control of the character in this show Ellie, 1168 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,280 awful shot, she shot four times and like like Nora, 1169 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,000 wasn't that far away? Terrible terrible shot. 1170 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,039 Speaker 2: You know, So I will say maybe I'm just bad, 1171 00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:33,199 but because I'm playing Last of Us one right now, 1172 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,199 just because I'm vibing, I am so fucking bad. I 1173 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,719 always mission shots and then the clearer just gets me 1174 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,039 and then and fucks me up, and then I have 1175 00:51:40,119 --> 00:51:43,239 like three bullets because it's so hard to find a yes. Yeah, no, 1176 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,360 playing like the Part one remaster, Oh it is. The 1177 00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,440 lighting in that game is gorgeous as. 1178 00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:54,360 Speaker 1: The finished that stranding Eh So, yeah, I saw because 1179 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,239 I think someone else was playing this, I should have 1180 00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:57,880 sent it to you. But I saw not that you're 1181 00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,719 doing this, but a clip where someone's playing on Perman 1182 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,639 Death but they lost because they were like walking down 1183 00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:04,719 a hill and it like killed Ali so they had 1184 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:05,440 to start over. 1185 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,119 Speaker 2: Never. Never would I play a game on death mode anymore. No, 1186 00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,519 maybe like in my history, you know, if I was 1187 00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:18,000 back in the day, but nowadays, hell no, I don't 1188 00:52:18,039 --> 00:52:18,800 got time for that shit. 1189 00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:21,400 Speaker 1: And maybe like this is something where I can definitely 1190 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,639 say like love VEO games, but I'm not like top 1191 00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:25,440 tier gamer, so I don't know if there's many that 1192 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,280 could have done that. I think for me, the only 1193 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,760 games I could have done that, and I don't think 1194 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,480 there was a situation. But it's like any of the 1195 00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:35,719 Arkham games, because especially there was one time, like Arkham City, 1196 00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:38,280 I felt like god Tyr Bruce Wayne, like I was 1197 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,960 playing hardest difficulty and I was just cruising through that 1198 00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:43,639 like like not a cruise, but still like I'm fucking batman, 1199 00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,320 Like you're at the end when Hugo String is seending 1200 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,880 all those guys and I'm just gadgets everywhere, like that's game. 1201 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,639 We're like, you know what, I think the Arkham games 1202 00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:52,400 I could have done a perman de ap, but other 1203 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,239 games it's like, no, that's I would not I applaud 1204 00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,119 people that do that. You're godly gamers, but let's see 1205 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,599 super and my it would be more double, more doable 1206 00:53:02,639 --> 00:53:06,239 than the Jackson battle. I guess it's just that it's 1207 00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,360 like I think there's just more like No, I guess 1208 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,440 you're right, because there's big there's lots of clickers and 1209 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,360 there's this big CGI clicker there, So you're right. So 1210 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,199 I wonder. Yeah, I don't think it's gonna be coming 1211 00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:22,000 this season, at least if that's the situation. So we'll see. 1212 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,440 Speaker 2: Speaking in riddles has me intrigued. 1213 00:53:24,679 --> 00:53:27,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have no other notes because there's so much 1214 00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:28,599 that happened in the beginning. 1215 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,639 Speaker 2: Just kind of some you know, Yeah, I know, I 1216 00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:31,400 got nothing else. 1217 00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:34,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, Well, there we go. We've done it. Les Jones. 1218 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,920 We've talked about Last of Us episode five, season two. 1219 00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,920 We'll be back next week. See what's going on with uh, 1220 00:53:41,199 --> 00:53:43,239 you know, Pedro's back. It's always good things. See what's 1221 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,559 going on there? Yeah, hey, kiddo, probably someone with Eugene 1222 00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:49,639 and who knows, maybe maybe the entire episode won't be 1223 00:53:49,679 --> 00:53:52,679 a flashback. Maybe you'll get like ten to fifty minutes 1224 00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:54,239 at the end that's in current day. I don't know, 1225 00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,239 or maybe it is. Who knows, because I think it's 1226 00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,679 like I feel like it kind of tied into at 1227 00:53:58,679 --> 00:54:01,280 the same time, when Ellie's doing the very terrible acts, 1228 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:05,079 it's almost like they tied it with like she's And 1229 00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:08,079 that's where I worry, like with my products, like does 1230 00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:09,800 Ellie need to think of like a good memory to 1231 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,159 get her through this or why she's doing this? But again, 1232 00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,559 to me, Elli in the Games was a fucking beast. 1233 00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:17,199 It's like, nah, I'm gonna torture you. And I feel 1234 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,800 Belli Bella was still doing that We've talked about in 1235 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,079 last season and the show where they've emphasized that Ellie 1236 00:54:23,199 --> 00:54:26,840 has like a you know, a lust for violence sometimes. 1237 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,840 So I don't know if that was literally just an 1238 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,639 editing way just to get Joel on it. But at 1239 00:54:30,639 --> 00:54:33,599 that point though, when Mike you said, like they pay 1240 00:54:33,679 --> 00:54:36,679 him per episode, that wouldn't have been worth paying them 1241 00:54:36,679 --> 00:54:40,599 for this episode being there for fucking like five ten seconds, 1242 00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:42,599 I bet cut that shit out. We're not paying them 1243 00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:44,519 there just like because can you just open up next 1244 00:54:44,519 --> 00:54:46,840 week and it's a flashback, you would need to have 1245 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,960 this transition, right. So that's why I'm worrying. Are they 1246 00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,400 doing it for character reasons to be like well she has. 1247 00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,719 She's really telling herself why she has to do this. 1248 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,039 It's like, No, I only doesn't give a fuck. She 1249 00:54:55,039 --> 00:54:56,960 knows why she's doing this. She's gonna fucking Kaden. Someone 1250 00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,400 said she has to. But we will see, and we'll 1251 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,760 be back next week and will not be boring, but