Speaker 1: You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report
Speaker 1: a UFO hanging in? We don't want to report every
Speaker 1: thirty one. Do you wish to report a UFO over hey,
Speaker 1: we want to one of those areas thirty one. Do
Speaker 1: you wish to find a report of any kind of it?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds.
Speaker 1: Areas thirty one me neither. There were seven one golf.
Speaker 1: If it was anybody as above us to pass us,
Speaker 1: like thirty seconds ago, we were sending one of golf negative, Okay,
Speaker 1: OFFI the UFO.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's murder.
Speaker 1: Ten o'clock. Yes, if you passed over I got I
Speaker 1: don't know what it was.
Speaker 3: But it's from at least to three thousand feet above us. See,
Speaker 3: I passed right over the top of us.
Speaker 2: Ninety one one.
Speaker 1: You just called both to be be fours. They're after
Speaker 1: staying the airplanes.
Speaker 3: He is.
Speaker 2: To God on an unidentified object every liberty four call
Speaker 2: or calm on an unidentified flying object.
Speaker 4: Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their
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Speaker 3: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you
Speaker 3: all this week? I'm Nick Hunter and this is the
Speaker 3: UFO Chronicles podcast. We are in Maryland tonight to meet
Speaker 3: Bill and while I'm a bakecation trip around the states,
Speaker 3: Bill and his partner witnessed a tic tac shaped object
Speaker 3: while walking along the south rim of the Grand Canyon
Speaker 3: in October of twenty twenty three. Bill is up next,
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Speaker 3: Now on with the show. Hello Bill, Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 3: Good morning, good morning, and thank you for coming on today.
Speaker 3: And you'll call in from the state of Maryland. Right, Okay, Bill,
Speaker 3: you have an experienceriance that occurred resuly recently last October.
Speaker 3: Would you like to start the beginning there please, sir.
Speaker 1: Sure so, pretty much. Thanks for the opportunity for coming
Speaker 1: on here so I can just tell about what happened
Speaker 1: to us. We're both retired and we were just doing
Speaker 1: a trip. Basically left Maryland and went to Denver and
Speaker 1: then started west. So that's pretty much how this came about.
Speaker 1: So one of our stops between Denver and the West Coast,
Speaker 1: we went to mohab Utah and went to Arches Natural
Speaker 1: Park and then downward into the Grand Canyon Williams Williams,
Speaker 1: Arizona specifically, and then up into the Grand Canyon on
Speaker 1: October fifth, So what about to tell you it was
Speaker 1: from my research since October fifth may have been, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, the closest sighting of what's called a tic
Speaker 1: tac Ufo daylight sighting that I can find. So my
Speaker 1: main objective here is to be used as a resource
Speaker 1: basically too if anyone in the community would like what
Speaker 1: I've seen and maybe that can help them. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I'm giving someone the five hundred piece of
Speaker 1: a puzzle with the first piece, but I'm here as
Speaker 1: a resource and that's what I'm offering today. So we'll
Speaker 1: get into my background. I'm retired forty seven years as
Speaker 1: I professional. I was in the United States Air Force
Speaker 1: for four years with a secret clearance. I'm was stationed
Speaker 1: both at Right Patterson Air Force Base and Ramstein, West Germany,
Speaker 1: so I you know, I got out of got out
Speaker 1: of the military, then just went into the civilian culture.
Speaker 1: My background with specifically like aircraft is my father was
Speaker 1: a flight engineer during World War Two on both B
Speaker 1: seventeens and B twenty four, So I had a pretty
Speaker 1: good upbringing through air shows, museums, you name it. I've
Speaker 1: been to many museums as far as in our area.
Speaker 1: Like we're closer to Washington, d C. So that would
Speaker 1: be a National Air and Space Museum, Hazy, which is
Speaker 1: out in Dallas, And during my time at Bright Patterson
Speaker 1: was able to see the you know, Air Force Museum,
Speaker 1: so I'm pretty familiar with that as well. As we
Speaker 1: go to air shows all the time, both for the
Speaker 1: Blue Angels and Thunderbirds, so pretty experienced with that sort
Speaker 1: of culture as far as that. So basically, like our trip,
Speaker 1: like I said, started at Denver and some of the
Speaker 1: places we were coming to it was you know, I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you just to fill this in here. We
Speaker 1: had sixteen days to go from Denver to the West Coast,
Speaker 1: so in between there we went to Arches, Durand Canyon
Speaker 1: over Damn, Las Vegas. We went to area fifty one,
Speaker 1: it was kind of neat, and then Sequoia National Park,
Speaker 1: San Francisco, Santa Cruz, Big Sern then flew out of
Speaker 1: La So getting to the October fifth of currents. So
Speaker 1: we left Williams, Arizona and we headed north about it's
Speaker 1: about eighty miles Williams, Arizona to the Grand Canyon. And
Speaker 1: so we were just there as tourists, just like anyone
Speaker 1: else's and just got familiar with, you know, where we
Speaker 1: were at, kind of checked out the visitor center, kind
Speaker 1: of got checked in there. We saw that there was
Speaker 1: a night sky event that night, so we were coming
Speaker 1: back anyway to see the night sky. I don't have
Speaker 1: if you've ever seen it out there, but it's spectacular.
Speaker 1: So once we got situated with where we're at, we
Speaker 1: just kind of headed west on the path that's there.
Speaker 1: If you're not familiar, I mean, I guess from this
Speaker 1: point on, like if anyone has a map of the South,
Speaker 1: rim might be good time to pull that out to
Speaker 1: kind of look at our journey. As well as flight
Speaker 1: radar twenty four, so that's two tools that might be
Speaker 1: pretty good on what I'm about to tell you. So
Speaker 1: we headed west and it's a tree lined path on
Speaker 1: both sides. A lot of people that aren't familiar with
Speaker 1: to the Grand Canyon. It isn't like you're looking over
Speaker 1: the Grand Canyon all the time. So it's a path.
Speaker 1: There are specific points that the National Park Service has
Speaker 1: kind of like made so you have viewing points at
Speaker 1: different places, so it isn't like you're looking over the
Speaker 1: Grand Canyon all the time. It's going to emphasize that point.
Speaker 1: It's a tree line path. And then so we're off
Speaker 1: from the visitor center and it's about a three mile
Speaker 1: journey between the visitor center and the Grand Canyon Village,
Speaker 1: so really about the halfway point, there's a I'm probably
Speaker 1: going to not say this name right, but you bob hey,
Speaker 1: I think it's called the Geological Museum that they have there.
Speaker 1: So we kind of stopped there and we left there
Speaker 1: and interested enough. And this plays out later and when
Speaker 1: I got to tell you we're walking towards, which we're
Speaker 1: in a southwestern direction, we observed like a sea one
Speaker 1: thirty and it was to our southwest direction, and I
Speaker 1: just mentioned I was like, you know, I wonder what
Speaker 1: I wonder what he's doing up here, And that's pretty
Speaker 1: much that part of that story, you know. So it
Speaker 1: was a kind of weird, I don't know, you know.
Speaker 1: So we kept walking and we're probably about a halfway
Speaker 1: between this geological museum and the Grand Canyon Village when
Speaker 1: when we just started decided to stop. You know, it's
Speaker 1: it's out stage seven thousand feet, so, you know, we
Speaker 1: sit there and just took a rest. At this point,
Speaker 1: we're looking straight across the Grand Canyon. From the pictures
Speaker 1: I've sat to you, you can see it was an
Speaker 1: absolutely clear day. You can see as far as you
Speaker 1: you know, as far as you possibly had. So we're
Speaker 1: kind of sitting there and later I was able to
Speaker 1: like map this out on like a real map. So
Speaker 1: the experience was that we were just kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of hanging out and it just taking about
Speaker 1: a fifteen minute break. At some water to my two
Speaker 1: o'clock position, there's a I think I sent you a
Speaker 1: picture of a cliff. It just caught my eye just
Speaker 1: as quick as that I was I saw it, and
Speaker 1: it would appear to be I thought it first it
Speaker 1: looked like it was a milar balloon. You know, that's
Speaker 1: the best way I can say. On its side and
Speaker 1: some saying to myself, who's who's going to do this,
Speaker 1: because earlier in the journey were we're saying about the
Speaker 1: you know, the California condors, and you know, this is
Speaker 1: pretty Christine place and I was just took me for
Speaker 1: a second sometime to processed this, and then this thing
Speaker 1: kept it started out. It appeared to me, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't track it for like miles, It just was there.
Speaker 1: Whether it was coming towards just I don't know. But
Speaker 1: when I caught it, it was right above that cliff.
Speaker 1: So what I first saw it was like they think
Speaker 1: people call it citar shaped object. It was like a
Speaker 1: really dark ry at the bottom middle of it was
Speaker 1: I would say, like a gun metal, and then the
Speaker 1: top was silver and white. Okay. I just kept looking
Speaker 1: at this thing, and this whole process only lasted about
Speaker 1: maybe fifteen seconds. So as it started my two o'clock position,
Speaker 1: and then as it came across to my twelve o'clock,
Speaker 1: I just said it was I was like, what the
Speaker 1: heck is that? And that's when my girlfriend that she
Speaker 1: looked and she was like, wow, what's that, you know.
Speaker 1: So what was interesting about it is that from the
Speaker 1: start to from two o'clock to twelve o'clock position. When
Speaker 1: it started at the two o'clock position, it was the
Speaker 1: same colors as I expressed. And then when I first
Speaker 1: it looked a little bit buzzy or hazy. And then
Speaker 1: as it got to our twelve o'clock position, I didn't
Speaker 1: realize at the time, but the thing was actually coming
Speaker 1: towards us. It went from our twelve o'clock to our
Speaker 1: nine o'clock position and doing so, that was when I
Speaker 1: later found out it was actually coming from our northeast
Speaker 1: and left in the southwest. But as I got right
Speaker 1: in front of us, and I later plotted this on
Speaker 1: the map, it was within a quarter of a mile
Speaker 1: of us, I got to really look at this thing,
Speaker 1: and as it was lifting, it was doing a steady pool,
Speaker 1: probably going about my estimate speed's but three fifty four hundred,
Speaker 1: absolutely no sound, and once I got in front of us,
Speaker 1: it became white. So my thoughts at that point was
Speaker 1: weather balloon, you know, what's that? Then I said, that's
Speaker 1: what Faber saw, and then as it went by, I
Speaker 1: just said, nassa white to myself. So so at this
Speaker 1: point it passes us, I get trees in the way,
Speaker 1: look back to a nine o'clock and it's now become
Speaker 1: a dot. It lifted it. I mean it lifted in
Speaker 1: the horizontal. And what I mean by that it never
Speaker 1: went nose up. It climbed like it was when an escalator,
Speaker 1: not elevator, So it lifted out at that time. There
Speaker 1: wasn't a picture that I provided. It's basically like a
Speaker 1: dot the best we can do. At no time during
Speaker 1: this time that I even think about getting I mean,
Speaker 1: even if I'd got my phone out at the time,
Speaker 1: I would have been fumbling around with it. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have seen what I've seen. But so when I got
Speaker 1: in front of us and it got into the sun,
Speaker 1: got a really good look at this thing. It was
Speaker 1: probably about forty feet long that I can ask to make.
Speaker 1: It looked like a flying pro pane tank, not a
Speaker 1: tic tack, a small thing, and it had two I'm
Speaker 1: going to say, either hooks on the bottom of it
Speaker 1: or what looked like to be like backwards pedo tubes
Speaker 1: that were on us. On this craft, there's no windows,
Speaker 1: no lights, markings. And when I say Nassal white. What
Speaker 1: really struck me. I don't know why it struck me
Speaker 1: at that time, but you know, with my knowledge of
Speaker 1: going around and seeing like different museums and seeing i know,
Speaker 1: in the past, like people say it was white, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, was look in the white for a second,
Speaker 1: and in white it was a matt of white. It
Speaker 1: looked like to me, it looked like the same colors
Speaker 1: Space Shuttle, which I've stood within, you know, thirty feet
Speaker 1: of it before, and I've seen pictures of it. I
Speaker 1: actually seen it fly over one when it was piggybacked
Speaker 1: on the seven forty seven. So, but it was that
Speaker 1: type of white, and it really struck me that, I mean,
Speaker 1: we're getting reports of this color like white. Well I
Speaker 1: kind of did a deeper dive into that white and
Speaker 1: there is an actual white paint you know that people use.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying these things out there, that it absolutely
Speaker 1: struck me as Nassal white. So yeah, we got a
Speaker 1: really good look at this thing, not backing down on it,
Speaker 1: and it is it is, you know, so kind of
Speaker 1: like didn't know what to do at that point, you know,
Speaker 1: like we were when we got to the Grand Canyon, village,
Speaker 1: and I said, you know, maybe we should report this
Speaker 1: to somebody, and then we're like, well maybe not. And
Speaker 1: I don't know who to report it to at this point,
Speaker 1: you know, so explained that a little earlier. Were really
Speaker 1: not in that world of knowing that. So we get
Speaker 1: back to we drive back down to Williams, Arizona. Back,
Speaker 1: we go back down and just kind of hanging out
Speaker 1: the hotel and I'm like, I do what every other
Speaker 1: researcher does. I guess so like Google how to report
Speaker 1: the UFO to. So there was a couple of places
Speaker 1: that I reported to. I don't know if I should
Speaker 1: say who they are, but I think they're normally and
Speaker 1: you can ask that later on if it's I don't
Speaker 1: know if I'm should or not. But one was like
Speaker 1: an online thing. I filled out a report that day.
Speaker 1: Also gave it like a telephone deposition kind of clicked off,
Speaker 1: you like, have somebody, have somebody INVESTI call me. So
Speaker 1: that was my first kind of reaching out. I never
Speaker 1: heard back from anyone on that I've checked there. They
Speaker 1: have like an app that I put on my phone
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of different things on there. I
Speaker 1: didn't see mine, so I don't have to, I'll ever
Speaker 1: get a call. Then I reached out to when I
Speaker 1: got back, I thought it was another organization, and so
Speaker 1: I reached out to the state director to find out
Speaker 1: in Maryland, here's a number that I have, can you
Speaker 1: give me an update? And they didn't find it, so
Speaker 1: so they gave me the director of Arizona and that's
Speaker 1: kind of where it started. That was probably after I
Speaker 1: got back. It was probably Land the eighteenth of October.
Speaker 1: They were very nice. They got in touch with they
Speaker 1: sent got an investigator call, gave the same pretty much
Speaker 1: deposition I'm giving right now of what happened. So that
Speaker 1: kind of went away. There was no way for me
Speaker 1: to do online check of what was going on, and
Speaker 1: so I kind of waited to send emails, kind of
Speaker 1: waited and then but you know, I gave them pictures.
Speaker 1: I think I gave you five pictures possibly, But we
Speaker 1: later found out is when we were going through all
Speaker 1: of our photos of the Grand Canyon that that we
Speaker 1: did find two other ones that need to be looked at.
Speaker 1: I don't have the I don't know. I really don't
Speaker 1: have any applications that will enhance pictures or do anything
Speaker 1: like that so maybe if there's somebody out there that does,
Speaker 1: maybe we can get that to them. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, but they're pretty interesting. Gave the deposition and
Speaker 1: kind of just like waited, right, I did get something
Speaker 1: back from them, and from what they were able to find,
Speaker 1: what they told me was that it was a reflection.
Speaker 1: So it was a reflection from a C one thirty
Speaker 1: say here comes. I'm like, okay. So when I first
Speaker 1: got contacted by the investigator, they did prior research into
Speaker 1: like my location and said there was nothing for you know,
Speaker 1: fifty miles around us at that time. When I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I can tell you I saw the C one thirty.
Speaker 1: I mean you said, like, something's not there, something's not
Speaker 1: right what you're saying, And they said, sometimes I guess
Speaker 1: that they turn off their transponder, which I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean they do they turn them off. Well,
Speaker 1: what they did give me was some information and they
Speaker 1: had an investigator kind of look at our position. And
Speaker 1: this is where I have a problem with that investigation
Speaker 1: is that at that point I was never called back
Speaker 1: or never, you know, at any point was I asked
Speaker 1: about anything. It was just done by that and they
Speaker 1: gave me their opinion via email and that was it.
Speaker 1: I asked it for it to be escalated to someone else.
Speaker 1: Haven't or anything back. But the problem I have with
Speaker 1: their their investigation and again like first, I'm being told
Speaker 1: that there was nothing in there, and I was kind
Speaker 1: of confused by that because I absolutely saw the c
Speaker 1: one thirty twice. But they gave me some good information
Speaker 1: as far as they were able to find that sea
Speaker 1: went thirty. And the issue I have with their fightings
Speaker 1: is that at the time we took the picture was
Speaker 1: eleven twenty three am local time in Arizona, and the
Speaker 1: picture was taken to our southwest. And then at that
Speaker 1: time it was just a white dot. But if you
Speaker 1: take anything can blow it up, you can see it's
Speaker 1: like pure white and it doesn't have any wings or
Speaker 1: anything like that, but it's pixelated. So maybe something can
Speaker 1: figure that out. But from the investigation, when they took
Speaker 1: our location and they found this sea one thirty that
Speaker 1: they attract they from our position at the same time
Speaker 1: it was ever the canyon to our northwest. So that's
Speaker 1: so I'm saying that possibly whatever this thing was actually
Speaker 1: crossed the path of the Sea one thirty that later
Speaker 1: I found out to be out of Kirtland, so it's
Speaker 1: kind of disparancy of what we're finding here. So I
Speaker 1: did track with this information with the flight radar twenty four.
Speaker 1: I can tell you that the SERRA numbers twelve desks
Speaker 1: fifty seven sixty. It went with callsign of Stalko eight
Speaker 1: on October fifth. So anyone that has flight just familiar
Speaker 1: with flight rate, our twenty four can track this flight
Speaker 1: and see where exactly where we're at eleven twenty three
Speaker 1: and our like I said, our photo, our photo was
Speaker 1: taken to the southwest. But more importantly, you know what
Speaker 1: we saw in front of us is absolutely within a
Speaker 1: quarter of a mile because what's interesting about our location
Speaker 1: is that even though the Grand Canyon is the biggest
Speaker 1: hole on the Earth, and from our location it's ten
Speaker 1: miles across to the other side, we just happened to
Speaker 1: stop in a horseshoe canyon. We were at the bottom
Speaker 1: of the Horseshoe Canyon and there's a cliff to the right,
Speaker 1: and once I plodded this out on a map, it's
Speaker 1: all within a quarter to a half mo of our location.
Speaker 1: And then at that point from our two o'clock to
Speaker 1: a nine o'clock position, was going from basically northeast to southwest.
Speaker 1: It was actually coming straight pretty much towards us. You know,
Speaker 1: was it like something that I saw in you know,
Speaker 1: like twenty miles away or didn't know. I really had
Speaker 1: to plot it out and and kind of see like
Speaker 1: its exact location. So yeah, I mean that's pretty much
Speaker 1: everything I got on this thing that I can think of.
Speaker 1: Some of the questions I have for maybe somebody that
Speaker 1: knows more about this than I do, is that, like,
Speaker 1: what is what does it mean by stalk when you
Speaker 1: have a call sign stop? That's one of the things
Speaker 1: that I can't figure out what that is. I've tracked
Speaker 1: just as a curiosity. I just tracked every flight of
Speaker 1: this thing for like a whole year. It's only been
Speaker 1: up the degree in Canyon like four times. It's only
Speaker 1: done that one that one route, you know, the day
Speaker 1: we were there. And the other interesting part about it,
Speaker 1: we're smack in the middle of the no flies zone,
Speaker 1: so the ceiling of the flies in the Grand Canyon.
Speaker 1: Anyone could look this up. I mean, so we're in
Speaker 1: something called Bright Angel that's where no flies are in
Speaker 1: as so there's no drones there, there's no planes, and
Speaker 1: the ceiling to go over it. It's like I think
Speaker 1: fourteen to five something like that. And there are corridors
Speaker 1: that go through and around. To our immediate right, it's
Speaker 1: something called Zoonie Corridor where the Sea one thirty flew through.
Speaker 1: It's called the Dragon corridor, and I think there's another
Speaker 1: one to the left called the Fossil Corridor. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure the distance of there, but you could clearly see that,
Speaker 1: you know, the Sea one thirty is flying absolutely the
Speaker 1: correct path of this thing. But what we saw was
Speaker 1: in the no FLI zone, which is pretty interesting take.
Speaker 1: And we're at seven thousand feet I believe, and this
Speaker 1: thing was maybe I mean when I saw at the
Speaker 1: first time, it was pretty much seven thousand feet and
Speaker 1: then climbed out to I can't tell the distance of
Speaker 1: how high it was at that point. So witnessed by
Speaker 1: two people. Some of the shots they gave you, which
Speaker 1: is kind of interesting. This thing had no sound, nothing
Speaker 1: it was. It could have flown past us one hundred
Speaker 1: times that day, I don't know, but clearly you could
Speaker 1: see all the picture that I was taken that there
Speaker 1: are people in this path and they're not looking at it,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's at that point dots above
Speaker 1: their head. So unless you would have heard sound, you know,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have ever looked that way. So like your
Speaker 1: census at that point to me, you know, if all
Speaker 1: the air shows I've gone to when I was in Germany,
Speaker 1: I actually saw like German Air Force fly over us,
Speaker 1: which back and this is back in the late seventies,
Speaker 1: and and they actually I've actually sayed supersonic at like
Speaker 1: maybe two thousand feet by there by the German Air
Speaker 1: Force they're fining F one F four's and the two
Speaker 1: soloists boomed right in front of us as probably about
Speaker 1: two thousand feet up, So I know what that looks like.
Speaker 1: I've seen supersonic, I've heard supersonic, and this was like
Speaker 1: no other thing I've ever seen before. And to both
Speaker 1: of us, I mean, we were just not weirded out
Speaker 1: by it. I was more curious than anything, you know,
Speaker 1: what we were seeing. And your mind goes through a
Speaker 1: lot of things trying to deny what you're seeing. But
Speaker 1: I kept telling my girlfriend, like, don't let it deny,
Speaker 1: don't let it deny what you saw. We absolutely saw
Speaker 1: that it was something. I'll just say this, I wasn't
Speaker 1: weirded out by it. I didn't feel it was extraterrestrial
Speaker 1: to me. It didn't land, it didn't do anything like that.
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of open to what that may be,
Speaker 1: possibly something that we don't know about. I mean, the
Speaker 1: Southwest has a lot of dark projects down there. It
Speaker 1: was a lot of military installations around that whole area.
Speaker 1: So I led up to the listeners to maybe like
Speaker 1: come up with some sort of conclusion on what may
Speaker 1: have seen. So I'm pretty open to that. So pretty
Speaker 1: much got interested back when I saw like this U
Speaker 1: I guess in twenty seventeen or I guess twenty seventeen
Speaker 1: they kind of brought it back with the Navy pilots.
Speaker 1: I kind of got interested it back again. And I
Speaker 1: was watching like a podcast where this Lieutenant Commander Fraver
Speaker 1: was on there and this guy was he was the
Speaker 1: real deal as far as like pilots, and if anybody's
Speaker 1: followed that guy, he's the real deal and probably one
Speaker 1: of the greatest pilots that we've had. And I saw
Speaker 1: this podcast, and I for about for about five days,
Speaker 1: I kept saying, why do I know this guy, you know,
Speaker 1: like it was something about it. I know his voice
Speaker 1: and maybe a little bit older. But like back in
Speaker 1: the day, like I saw this because I do like
Speaker 1: aircraft and military aircraft. There was a thing on PBS
Speaker 1: and it was called landing on a Pitching Deck. I
Speaker 1: would ask anybody, you can find out on YouTube and
Speaker 1: you'll see to favor you know this Lieutenant commander favorit
Speaker 1: and what he did that night. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: a hero to me in a way. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a really great pilot, and I really do believe
Speaker 1: what he's seeing, and I'm pretty sure whatever he seeing
Speaker 1: was either the same thing I did or very close
Speaker 1: to it. I can read you some of the report
Speaker 1: that I got back, and we got two things going
Speaker 1: on here. What I sent then ninety percent certain that
Speaker 1: what I saw was a aircraft reflection, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: really explained to me. Was it the picture that I
Speaker 1: set or what was in front of me? So I
Speaker 1: never heard back. It says additionally, you have described and
Speaker 1: not display what we typically found in the UAP or
Speaker 1: UFO site anti gravity lifts, sudden instantaneous acceleration, hypersonic velocity
Speaker 1: without signatures, little observability or transmedient travel. And I'm sitting there,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, well, this thing's unknown, Like, how do
Speaker 1: I know what the flight characteristics are? I know what
Speaker 1: F twenty two. I've seen it several times F thirty five.
Speaker 1: Being at F twenty two. Do things this thing didn't
Speaker 1: do specifically, you know, pull out and installed They basically
Speaker 1: stall out of that two thousand feet and go left
Speaker 1: or right. I mean, I've never seen anything to do
Speaker 1: that before, but that's pretty much. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of things, a lot of puzzle pieces that I'm
Speaker 1: by kind of presenting. So I'm just hopefully that I
Speaker 1: know that when I signed up for this, I think
Speaker 1: that you have somewhere in there, you say, but if
Speaker 1: someone's interested that, you know, maybe they can. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not pulling in everyone that wants to talk about
Speaker 1: the story. You know, it is what it is with.
Speaker 1: The story is only like twelve fifteen seconds long. I'm
Speaker 1: not looking to get anything out of it other than
Speaker 1: just being a you know, someone that can give a
Speaker 1: pretty pretty good, uh witness account of what we saw.
Speaker 1: That's all made it for, you know, just just to
Speaker 1: do that and hopefully this helps somebody. I think what
Speaker 1: I'm puzzled about when I when anytime you look at
Speaker 1: something that remote, if you just put put in TikTok,
Speaker 1: for instance, it just goes to the limit situation, doesn't
Speaker 1: really go to anything specific. I tried to putting in
Speaker 1: like tic text anything, Greg, I'm not finding that anywhere.
Speaker 1: What I think it's unique about it is that from
Speaker 1: all the accounts I can find, these things are off
Speaker 1: the coast of San Diego. They were cited two thousand
Speaker 1: and four and this is twenty three, and I'm finding
Speaker 1: you know, I see one right in front of me
Speaker 1: at Breg Canyon. So I was just trying to figure
Speaker 1: out are they coming from that area? I don't know.
Speaker 3: Good stuff, Bill an interesting sight in guessing it was
Speaker 3: move On that said this to you. So they're saying
Speaker 3: it they believe it to be a reflection from the
Speaker 3: one thirty.
Speaker 1: It wasn't explained to me. We couldn't We couldn't figure
Speaker 1: out was that was the reflection supposed to be what
Speaker 1: I saw in front of me, which is impossible, or
Speaker 1: was the reflection of the picture. But I know there's
Speaker 1: got to be people that can enhance this picture, and
Speaker 1: even someone that at my level. What we did was
Speaker 1: we just took the picture and did a screenshot of it,
Speaker 1: and we were able to just like manipulate it. We
Speaker 1: know it takes the lays out to a box, a
Speaker 1: white box, and even that case, you don't see anything,
Speaker 1: so hopefully like somebody could make sense in that picture.
Speaker 1: Maybe they did. I asked for it back to just
Speaker 1: see I've never heard anything back, and like, what did
Speaker 1: you guys do? Did you re able to enhance the picture?
Speaker 1: And I'm not really getting any answers on that. I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure if the case is even though
Speaker 1: open to anyone, to be honest with you, I've asked
Speaker 1: them like, if it's open, let me know if I
Speaker 1: had to reopen and let me know. Not really getting
Speaker 1: anything back, I think they're just pretty much done with it.
Speaker 1: I don't know to write to their director and like,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe we needed a set of eyes on this.
Speaker 1: I'm still open to their research, but I wanted to
Speaker 1: be part of the research, if you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like I wanted to be a back and forth. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: you know this picture was taken to the south southwest,
Speaker 1: you know, so let's just kind of look at it
Speaker 1: that way. So hopefully someone's listening to this and it's
Speaker 1: interested in it, and as someone that you know or
Speaker 1: you trust, you know, I'm happy I'll work with them.
Speaker 3: Must say, if I got anyone on my list for
Speaker 3: either Maryland or Arizona, I'm pretty sure I do, yeah, And.
Speaker 1: I think I've given you the case number. But what
Speaker 1: I don't know, Nick, is that without me actually being
Speaker 1: able to climb on their website with that paint, I
Speaker 1: know that's a pay site or something like that, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any personal information on there
Speaker 1: from me, like yeah, I did live, an email and
Speaker 1: a phone number and stuff like that. You have the
Speaker 1: number as far as that it's concerned, so as far
Speaker 1: as what the case number was. So, but I think
Speaker 1: that they're only investigated in the state a happening, which
Speaker 1: is my case. I'm traveling through there. I'm kind of
Speaker 1: a disadvantage because of that. I don't live there. I
Speaker 1: got enough points on airline I'd be wanting to fly
Speaker 1: out there of my own dime to go to go
Speaker 1: location if somebody wanted me to. That's fine. So the
Speaker 1: tracking on the Radar twenty four is pretty interesting.
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Speaker 3: pull the flight radar and they manage to see the
Speaker 3: C one thirty on there, but obviously no other objects
Speaker 3: and generally unless it does have a call sign and
Speaker 3: it wouldn't show up.
Speaker 4: And not all.
Speaker 3: Military aircrafts that you have, but some drones you can
Speaker 3: see when they're when they're operational. Sometimes you can get
Speaker 3: a call sign and track them. But yeah, it is
Speaker 3: weird that the Sea one thirty stalker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't know if that made back.
Speaker 1: That kind of stuff. May know why it's always called stock.
Speaker 1: You can look at it for a whole year. I mean,
Speaker 1: it doesn't change. So like part of my research, I
Speaker 1: don't like get too deep into just conspiracy stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I just happen to find it on YouTube. I
Speaker 1: just kind of there is something card I think I
Speaker 1: believe X sixty ye gram line or something, and these
Speaker 1: things are launched, they're deployed from C one thirties. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying this is the same thing, but the technology
Speaker 1: is definitely there to do this kind of enough. It
Speaker 1: was like you could just do X sixty one gremlin.
Speaker 1: You can do a search on it on YouTube, and
Speaker 1: it was something that dark Blob was playing around with.
Speaker 1: So and they successfully can you know, launch and retrieve things.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is the case, but actually you
Speaker 1: could see it on there and they showed it. So
Speaker 1: things are able to be launched from that platform and
Speaker 1: retrieved to that platform. I'm not saying this is the
Speaker 1: case at all, but the fact that these two things
Speaker 1: are in the same neighborhood, I don't know if anyone's
Speaker 1: been able to see that. And then generally, just from
Speaker 1: my research, and you probably know more than this than
Speaker 1: I do, but you know, I never see like a
Speaker 1: tictack in New York City for instance, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: generally things are playing around with US Navy somewhere off
Speaker 1: the east coast, whether it be north of off the
Speaker 1: coast of Florida, or they're playing around with something over
Speaker 1: in San Diego.
Speaker 3: But but this object couldn't see any wings or anything
Speaker 3: like that. So no whereas you know, do you all see.
Speaker 1: The grimy yeah that has wings on its wings? Yeah,
Speaker 1: But this is a classic that if you want to say,
Speaker 1: like I hate the word being used as tic tac,
Speaker 1: I guess that's just what's the nomenclature of the thing.
Speaker 1: But I mean you see these when you get into
Speaker 1: the thing of unidentified, right, So like flying object. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm just going from my I'm going on a low
Speaker 1: tech thing here. You know. I see these things all
Speaker 1: the time, you know, if I just go, if I
Speaker 1: just drive in my community, I mean, if you get
Speaker 1: past the gas station, there, there they are. I mean
Speaker 1: they're like they look it looks like a pro pay teck,
Speaker 1: you know, like a industrial sized pro pay teck. So
Speaker 1: just seeing something just for my research since you know,
Speaker 1: have I been. I've known about UFOs and that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff my life. I've never seen anything, so I
Speaker 1: kind of went, probably for a long time skeptical of
Speaker 1: things only because of the amount of cell phones and
Speaker 1: such in the world. I mean, there's twice as many
Speaker 1: cell phones as there is people. So with cameras, I'm like,
Speaker 1: we should be seeing these things all the time. I
Speaker 1: think to go back when I was a kid growing
Speaker 1: up in the sixties, I mean, if you look at
Speaker 1: for instance, like tornadoes, for instance, we only saw what
Speaker 1: happened back then. You know, they was shedding, those of
Speaker 1: the whole town, being devastating. Now we get real time
Speaker 1: live streaming of Tornado, So I kind of got off
Speaker 1: the tracks of that, and I think when I heard
Speaker 1: with Fravor and I think there's another lieutenant, Commander Graves
Speaker 1: or lieutenant that have seen some things. So I kind
Speaker 1: of like put me back on the tracks a bit
Speaker 1: with that. And the really ironic part about this is
Speaker 1: that I had been doing like sweeping videos of the
Speaker 1: Grand Canyon the whole morning, you know, just taking myself
Speaker 1: in and doing that. But in this case, this, I mean,
Speaker 1: it just happened so quick that my mind was just
Speaker 1: not there. I mean, I know I had a self turn,
Speaker 1: but when I timed myself, but we had about ten
Speaker 1: seconds of a good view of this thing. And even
Speaker 1: if I would have found myself there, by the time
Speaker 1: I would have keyed in the password and fulmal to
Speaker 1: get to I wouldn't have seen it. I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been able to visually see it, you know, I would
Speaker 1: have been too tied up just doing that. And one
Speaker 1: of the things that seems to be overlooked on some
Speaker 1: I guess you know some of these things, is that
Speaker 1: when you see something like that, you don't know how
Speaker 1: long you're going to see it till after you see it.
Speaker 1: For instance, like that could have been the first of
Speaker 1: a ten minute air show for me, but you don't
Speaker 1: know how long it's going to be. So they just
Speaker 1: happened to be like, you know, doing port like ten
Speaker 1: eleven seconds and it was off. It wasn't like I
Speaker 1: could go to an air show. I can video, you know.
Speaker 1: For instance, like we were at an air show in
Speaker 1: May in Annapolis, Maryland, and clearly was Selman the Blue
Speaker 1: Angels doing everything you know, I mean, and this thing.
Speaker 1: There was one video. I don't know why it was
Speaker 1: so weird, but I took a video of them. I
Speaker 1: knew there. I knew that the show I pretty much
Speaker 1: never show my heart, and we got down there pretty
Speaker 1: much every spring to watch it during the graduation week.
Speaker 1: And there's one particular when I did this here and
Speaker 1: I went back to my archives and I looked at it.
Speaker 1: I was like, this would have been the same, and
Speaker 1: I could send that to you. It gives you the
Speaker 1: same view and speed as what we saw. But it
Speaker 1: just happened to be me just filming the Blue Angels randomly.
Speaker 1: But I went back to our archives and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what's weird about it? When I started filming it. It
Speaker 1: basically went for two o'clock to nine, but it went
Speaker 1: straight across it that it wasn't coming straight out us.
Speaker 1: The only way I can explain when people ask me,
Speaker 1: watch this video and then watch it again without sound,
Speaker 1: that's that's basically how far away it was from us.
Speaker 1: And the sensation that you get when when you've been
Speaker 1: seeing aircraft your whole life and you're like, okay, where's
Speaker 1: the sound. That was really a weird thing. And I
Speaker 1: didn't didn't really kick until my girlfriend said to me, like,
Speaker 1: even after I saw it, it still didn't kick in,
Speaker 1: and she said, that's weird. There was no sound, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. So it says what
Speaker 1: it is, you know. But like I said, it happened
Speaker 1: so quickly. I wish I could have got video of it,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately I didn't. But you know, so we have
Speaker 1: basically three pictures of something. The two that I think
Speaker 1: I sent you for something. This was taken a few
Speaker 1: minutes afterwards, and they were I think he was just
Speaker 1: taking the pictures of the condors. You know, this is
Speaker 1: maybe like eight minutes after we saw this thing, and
Speaker 1: then we're just looking at the pictures we're like, okay,
Speaker 1: off one of the pictures I gave it, like to
Speaker 1: the nine o'clock of that picture, if you kind of
Speaker 1: just kind of like zooming on if there's something I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is, could be a condor, it
Speaker 1: could be anything, but looks metallic to me. And there's
Speaker 1: another picture where I think I sent you there's something
Speaker 1: in that too, so that would have to be kind
Speaker 1: of look not and to see if there's any anything.
Speaker 1: There could be nothing, I don't know, but it's certainly
Speaker 1: after just what we saw, it's worth taking a shot
Speaker 1: at taking a look at.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can. You can definitely see something of that
Speaker 3: nine o'clock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. And I don't know. I'm hearing that these
Speaker 1: there's military grade something to do with They can manipulate
Speaker 1: or not manipulate it, it's maybe the wrong word. We're
Speaker 1: able to view it and get a better view than
Speaker 1: what we come from a cell phone, you know, and
Speaker 1: hopefully it could go through some sort of process and
Speaker 1: we're keeping the original. And actually I signed up for
Speaker 1: a class in two weeks at the community college. It's
Speaker 1: specifically about photography with cell phone photography, So trying to
Speaker 1: get into that group of people and maybe see if
Speaker 1: they can see that. Because the weird thing was I
Speaker 1: didn't know about self and photography is that I've noticed
Speaker 1: that if I take a picture right now and I
Speaker 1: sent it to you and then you open, it kind
Speaker 1: of changes to the date or time that you get.
Speaker 1: It kind of does its own timestamp. Some'm kind of
Speaker 1: interested in that portion of it where I'm all asking
Speaker 1: about that. But we have the originals of that we're
Speaker 1: keeping on her cell phone in case anyone is interested.
Speaker 1: I think some of them are in there, but they're
Speaker 1: all original. It's just that the time stamp changes. It
Speaker 1: wasn't where it does that. So but as I showed
Speaker 1: you in the pictures, it was not a cloud in
Speaker 1: the sky. There was no the one picture where it
Speaker 1: shares the cliff. That's exactly the deal we had, and
Speaker 1: you could see there's we're not even talking about cloud
Speaker 1: in the sky at this point.
Speaker 3: You know, just going back to the nine o'clock photo,
Speaker 3: what's what's that on the right hand side to three
Speaker 3: o'clock directly on the other side, Yeah, there were I.
Speaker 1: Think she was taking a picture of the condors, right,
Speaker 1: So there was some condors flying around and there's two pictures.
Speaker 1: There's one where something's in the nine o'clock and there's
Speaker 1: something that on the other picture you'll see like two
Speaker 1: condors off to the right of the picture. It's sort
Speaker 1: of underneath one of those condors. You've got to kind
Speaker 1: of expand the picture to see it. It looks like
Speaker 1: the same object. Like I'm not saying that's anything, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying it needs to be looked at, you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of like looked weird to us. You never
Speaker 1: just doing through this whole process, just you know, looking
Speaker 1: at every picture that we had, you know, yeah, I
Speaker 1: see that they could get off to someone you know
Speaker 1: that can take a look at it. But the only
Speaker 1: one I can vouch for is the one where it's
Speaker 1: like the object is a white dot. Now I saw
Speaker 1: it go to that dot from that cliff right in
Speaker 1: front of us, and it just did a steady pull
Speaker 1: out and went to that dot. That was what we
Speaker 1: saw at that point.
Speaker 3: You've definitely taken a picture of an object that you've
Speaker 3: visibly seen your own eyes. It certainly won't be a
Speaker 3: lens flare or reflection of any type because you simply
Speaker 3: wouldn't have seen it avoys.
Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, and it would have just been it would
Speaker 1: have been happenstance that if I were to be just
Speaker 1: you know, this is like part way through our trip.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's our hiking through you know, the South,
Speaker 1: through the Grand Canyons. There was no pictures more to
Speaker 1: be for me to really be taken. At that point,
Speaker 1: we've already done taken all the pictures. We were just
Speaker 1: trying to rest and get over to that lot or
Speaker 1: to that Grand Canyon village to kind of get out
Speaker 1: of there, you know, So all the pictures that we
Speaker 1: took were pretty much prior to that. We're just kind
Speaker 1: of like enjoying the experience. At that point, I.
Speaker 3: Had been did you mind take a picture of the
Speaker 3: Sea one thirty?
Speaker 1: No? I never saw it past the point, you know
Speaker 1: when I first saw it. I want to say that
Speaker 1: if you look at the flight radar twenty or Sea
Speaker 1: one thirty, when we saw it, I thought it was doing.
Speaker 1: When I explained to the investor, I said, I saw
Speaker 1: it it was either one or two or I saw
Speaker 1: the same one twice, because it almost looked if you're
Speaker 1: familiar with sea win thirties do like assault landings. They
Speaker 1: could spin around pretty quickly, and then I saw it,
Speaker 1: and I saw it again. That was the last time
Speaker 1: I saw it. But there was no reason for me
Speaker 1: to take it. I've seen like one hundreds of one thirties.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it was like after our southwest
Speaker 1: and I got to see one thirty. But when even
Speaker 1: after our experience, I was looking directly up there, I
Speaker 1: didn't see. I wasn't looking for one, you know, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, I wasn't. The Sea one
Speaker 1: thirty only came in again after this investigation. I didn't
Speaker 1: even I put it as my report only because I
Speaker 1: was just being as accurate as I can in my
Speaker 1: I pretty much stated to both reports for the same
Speaker 1: report is that, hey, look we saw a Sea one
Speaker 1: thirty a little bit earlier. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: any part of this or not, but I'm just a
Speaker 1: reporting to you that, you know, I did see something.
Speaker 1: I did see. You see one thirty, and if you
Speaker 1: look at the flight twenty four radar stuff, you could
Speaker 1: see how close it was to us. Now, I don't
Speaker 1: it was probably I don't know, maybe like ten miles
Speaker 1: away or something like that. I don't know. It's charge
Speaker 1: for me to tell on that, but it kind of loops.
Speaker 1: There's an airport, Grand Canyon Airport. It kind of does.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It goes up there and anyone it's
Speaker 1: familiar that more than I am. Why it's flying around
Speaker 1: in circles all the time it goes over It looks
Speaker 1: like it's just doing passes at the airport. And then
Speaker 1: it goes off to the left and it's and it
Speaker 1: does like a couple of circles there, then proceeds to
Speaker 1: go through. It goes to our east and it goes
Speaker 1: up through there's corridors. There's three different corridors that are
Speaker 1: around us. It goes up in one corridor, comes down
Speaker 1: the Drag corridor. It kind of makes it right. It
Speaker 1: goes up through what's called the Fossil Corridor, and it's
Speaker 1: staying around. Yeah, it's doing exactly what it's supposed to
Speaker 1: be doing. And it's coming back down this Dragon corridor.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of where the mash point that I
Speaker 1: think all this stuff goes on at. But I didn't
Speaker 1: even see it. And it's kind of weird because like
Speaker 1: we were looking at a direction and I wasn't even
Speaker 1: looking for any aircraft other than we were just kind
Speaker 1: of like shocked by what we saw. But even at
Speaker 1: I mean we're at seven thousand feet and this thing
Speaker 1: was at fifteen as it went by to see when
Speaker 1: thirty was, and I didn't see it. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it wasn't there, but I'm just going off
Speaker 1: a flight radar. It says it was there, but I wasn't.
Speaker 1: Wasn't up there to see Sea one thirties that day, you.
Speaker 3: Know, havingt flown on the Sea one thirdy, they are
Speaker 3: both very loud when you're on them and when you're
Speaker 3: off them, when you see them in the sky. It
Speaker 3: was close enough you definitely know about it. And that
Speaker 3: doesn't look like you know, a Sea one thirty to me.
Speaker 3: They stand out quite a bit, those aircraft.
Speaker 1: I've been on it before. I've been on that several aircraft.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know they're a loud inside. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not the normal commercial flight. I think. You know,
Speaker 1: you get the hang of air plugs when you get on,
Speaker 1: so I mean you really get to hear a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff that's going on. And said one of those things.
Speaker 1: So my father, you know, he always told me as
Speaker 1: a kid, just not enough people look up they don't.
Speaker 1: I mean I've shown people have spot satellites, tracked International
Speaker 1: Space Station, all the Elon Musk, Starlink and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, like the first time you see starlight, that
Speaker 1: kind of freaks out at night. But I've shown people
Speaker 1: how to track it. There's apps to track it, for instance,
Speaker 1: like the International Space Station. One time, I was taking
Speaker 1: my dogs out in the morning and it was about
Speaker 1: like five o'clock in the morning, and I saw this
Speaker 1: bright light coming directly at me, you know, and I
Speaker 1: was like, what the heck is that? And then I
Speaker 1: saw it for about four minutes and I've already tracked
Speaker 1: it before, so I just went to looked at my
Speaker 1: app and like, yeah, that was it. That was an
Speaker 1: International Space Station. But like if you're if you're not
Speaker 1: used to it, you know, what is that?
Speaker 3: The same thing to me though, I remember that when
Speaker 3: the very first and it was kind of like a
Speaker 3: like an orange yellowy glow. It looked quite low, it
Speaker 3: looked quite big, and I was like, what is this?
Speaker 1: What is this?
Speaker 3: So I was out at the time. I rushed home
Speaker 3: and got on all the apps and sure enough, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was the the ISS.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think that I listened to one of
Speaker 1: your podcasts. There was somebody on there from Idaho's she
Speaker 1: had similar things. She had described something like kind of
Speaker 1: like a cylinder type of thing that she that she
Speaker 1: was noticing, But my my account of it, it wasn't
Speaker 1: like hers was kind of the same shape, but it
Speaker 1: was like a lot bigger than what I saw. I
Speaker 1: think one of the interesting things I heard her say,
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting this, but chief saying she like woke
Speaker 1: up at the same time. And I had those experiences
Speaker 1: too for years, you know, like wake up and HER's
Speaker 1: just like I think she said three thirty three in
Speaker 1: the morning, only I was like always two twenty two.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but that kind of struck me.
Speaker 1: Have the whole conversation you had with her, you know,
Speaker 1: we had sort of the same kind of thing going
Speaker 1: on there. But it's the only thing I've ever seen
Speaker 1: out of the ordinary, you know, in the sky. And
Speaker 1: what's weird about the Grand Canyon. People were saying, well,
Speaker 1: there's other people there, but if you even google the
Speaker 1: walk that we're on, you don't see it that often.
Speaker 1: Where's that sounds? I mean, you're like in a tree
Speaker 1: lined path. I don't know if you've been there before,
Speaker 1: but you know there's trees on the canyon side, and
Speaker 1: there's trees on the southern side of the path. You
Speaker 1: only see the canyon where they've opened these kind of
Speaker 1: like landing zones for you to just kind of rest
Speaker 1: and kind of just taken where it's at. But for
Speaker 1: the most part, you just walking a tree lined path.
Speaker 1: And from the one photo that I sent you where
Speaker 1: you could clearly see there's people walking when there's that
Speaker 1: thing's right above them. So but you can actually google
Speaker 1: earth it if you need to, and you can just
Speaker 1: google the whole path that we were on kind of
Speaker 1: see where these things are at. So it's pretty neat,
Speaker 1: you know, it's pretty neat.
Speaker 3: Would you to go over this year to visit my
Speaker 3: brother he lives well, he did live down in Florida,
Speaker 3: but he's gone and move to Hawaii now, so probably
Speaker 3: won't get back to the States now until maybe next year.
Speaker 3: I've got a project to do over there, So you know,
Speaker 3: I've always wanted to go to Grand Canyon. Do you
Speaker 3: have a hikers along the trail? Did anybody else see it?
Speaker 3: Was anyone else looking out?
Speaker 1: Well, we stopped and we were just by ourselves there,
Speaker 1: but I mean the whole time there's people walking behind
Speaker 1: us on this trail. So we got to the Grand
Speaker 1: Canyon Village, which is only probably about another three quarters
Speaker 1: a mile to a mile away. This whole trip was
Speaker 1: only about three miles from point A to point B,
Speaker 1: and didn't blast them there saying, hey, we just saw something.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we knew we saw something that
Speaker 1: was pretty special, and you have to step back and go,
Speaker 1: what do we do from this point out? You know?
Speaker 1: I think I even at times I was just talking
Speaker 1: to people when we were out there, and I was
Speaker 1: kind of like testing the reaction to see where I
Speaker 1: want to go with this. Hey, by the way, we
Speaker 1: we saw something, you know, so I mean just to
Speaker 1: see what the reaction was. Of course, like part of
Speaker 1: our trip was to go to Area fifty one. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know that was kind of what We've been planning
Speaker 1: this thing for probably about two years. So we got
Speaker 1: to Vegas and then when we're going out there anyway,
Speaker 1: this happened on a Thursday, you know, so we were
Speaker 1: going I mean, this is all part of the plan,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't like I just decided to go out there.
Speaker 1: We were going to go since we're in Vegas, and
Speaker 1: we kind of drove out there and it was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I mean like there's nothing out there in there. I
Speaker 1: mean there's nothing nothing out there. Well, I got talking
Speaker 1: to we went up to uh Rachel, Nevada, and that's
Speaker 1: like we're back. There's like a boar out there. I
Speaker 1: was talking to a guy out there for a lot
Speaker 1: of cool people out there. I was like, we just
Speaker 1: saw something, and there was The guy was like, see
Speaker 1: stuff all the time. There was nothing that's that kind
Speaker 1: of figure. There's so much of this stuff being seen,
Speaker 1: you know. But he was like, yeah, let's see stuff
Speaker 1: all the time. And then we drove out to I
Speaker 1: guess it's continued the back gate of like Area fifty one.
Speaker 1: It was just we were out there, you know, went
Speaker 1: out there and I didn't see anyone. You know, I've
Speaker 1: been around the military installation. I didn't see any anybody
Speaker 1: at the gate. I didn't see what they call camo
Speaker 1: dudes and all that. There was nothing like it's like
Speaker 1: eight mile journey out there, and even low tech, you're
Speaker 1: leaving a dust trail. That's it's you can't go above
Speaker 1: on that road going out there, like maybe about twenty
Speaker 1: because at some points on that road, I don't want
Speaker 1: to say grooves in the road or if you go
Speaker 1: above twenty just like shakes your car apart. So you
Speaker 1: had to go stay about twenty to go out there
Speaker 1: at twenty five maybe tops, and then been out there,
Speaker 1: took our pictures, turned around, left. We're driving back through
Speaker 1: the same dust trail as what we left. So I mean,
Speaker 1: even low tech wise, it'd be pretty hard to sneak
Speaker 1: up on something like that. You know, saw no one
Speaker 1: at the gate. I'm not saying they weren't there, but
Speaker 1: like they didn't come out, they didn't do anything. I
Speaker 1: saw their vehicles, nothing. So we just did our touristy
Speaker 1: picture in front of that gate and left headed back
Speaker 1: to Vegas.
Speaker 3: Even though you didn't see anyone, I guarantee they knew
Speaker 3: you were there, of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think that we spotted something out there
Speaker 1: that looked kind of you know, something that looked kind
Speaker 1: of fake looking. That was probably something you know, a
Speaker 1: censor or whatever. But I got respect for that place,
Speaker 1: you know, from being in military, so I know there's
Speaker 1: a reason for it, and I wasn't going to like
Speaker 1: do anything. I mean could go as far as I can.
Speaker 1: That was lead, go and turn around. That's all we
Speaker 1: were doing. Wasn't going to cross in. There was no
Speaker 1: reason for me to do anything like that. So I
Speaker 1: respect what they're doing out there.
Speaker 3: Go there, you know, take some photographs, but there's no
Speaker 3: point putting yourself in danger and probably giving yourself aquiment record, right.
Speaker 1: I mean when I was in I've been in. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to tell you where they're at. I was
Speaker 1: in a few underground facilities. You know, you're not getting
Speaker 1: in there. I mean like you're just not you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like you're just not getting in there.
Speaker 1: People think that they're going to walk up to like
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know what they're we're expecting to see.
Speaker 1: You know. I was in facilities that were a couple
Speaker 1: hundred feet underneath the ground, right, So I mean, like
Speaker 1: you're not getting it. It's not going to happen, you know.
Speaker 1: So if there's anything that's of importance, it's not going
Speaker 1: to be surface anyway. I mean, it's going to be somewhere.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of places to hide stuff out there,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean when we were driving out there
Speaker 1: to Rachel the Vada. There's there's a part on the road.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you're familiar with like the road Runner.
Speaker 1: That's only way I can explain it to the cartoon
Speaker 1: where we were on a road that was twenty six
Speaker 1: miles straight right, So, I mean it didn't even turn
Speaker 1: you know, to people that never have been out there,
Speaker 1: it's just immense don't even see another human being. It
Speaker 1: was just us, you know, for a long time. You know,
Speaker 1: to you know to you come up at different places
Speaker 1: like Alabo, but there's really nothing out there. We didn't
Speaker 1: see any flying at the time, or it was a
Speaker 1: Saturday apparently, like when a guy had talked to asked
Speaker 1: if we got buzzed on the way out there, there's
Speaker 1: some signs say low flying aircraft. I was hoping to
Speaker 1: get buzzed. I have a dash cam. I was hoping
Speaker 1: to get something on there, but nothing happened. It was
Speaker 1: pretty laid back as far as going out there was
Speaker 1: a nice drive. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think it's definitely an experience for people, you know,
Speaker 3: especially if you have an interest in the subject, you know,
Speaker 3: to get out there and see what all the talk.
Speaker 3: I think it's a great you know, it's a great
Speaker 3: great place to get out, and this again is something
Speaker 3: I always always wanted to get to before your sighting,
Speaker 3: did you have much of an interest? I mean, I
Speaker 3: know you said you were fifty to fifty, but did
Speaker 3: you have much of an interest other than like aircraft
Speaker 3: and recognition that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, look, I grew up in the sixties,
Speaker 1: and you know, the narrative keeps aging. You know, back
Speaker 1: then it was just flying saucers, you know, and then
Speaker 1: that wasn't you know then when that got ridiculed, it
Speaker 1: became something called a UFO, right, and then that kind
Speaker 1: of played out now to UAP. But I was just
Speaker 1: kid in the sixties, of course, I mean, like you know,
Speaker 1: everyone was talking about it. It was the main thing
Speaker 1: that you know, if you've seen back then, it was
Speaker 1: like flying saucers, and it's been in our culture forever, right,
Speaker 1: you know. But you know, I have to say something.
Speaker 1: And the main thing what I got, like I told
Speaker 1: you before, like what got me off the tracks, was
Speaker 1: just the amount of cell phones and stuff like this
Speaker 1: should be like normalized by now, and it really isn't,
Speaker 1: you know. I Mean there's but I've been seeing some
Speaker 1: videos on you know where I can find. There's some
Speaker 1: pretty like it makes you stop and think, you know,
Speaker 1: like we're I mean, people are seeing stuff You're not
Speaker 1: really quite sure if they're you know, I can't go
Speaker 1: as far as saying that these things are extraterrestrial or not.
Speaker 1: I think the humans are. You know, what we have
Speaker 1: on ARTH can figure a lot is stuff out. You know,
Speaker 1: just look where we came in the last you know,
Speaker 1: one hundred years as far as technology, and even what
Speaker 1: I do changes from when I started in nineteen seventy six,
Speaker 1: and it it wasn't even called it back then, but
Speaker 1: I mean, just what I've seen in forty seven years
Speaker 1: it was is mind boggling. I think there my mind
Speaker 1: thinks a lot of people's. I have a break fixed
Speaker 1: mind where I find something and go through all these
Speaker 1: decision trees in my mind and is this something specifically
Speaker 1: what I saw? Could it have been flown by somebody? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know, if somebody could be in there inside of it.
Speaker 1: It wasn't anything, it wasn't doing anything. Crazy. The fact
Speaker 1: that something like that in the no flies and eliminates
Speaker 1: a whole heck of a lot of stuff, specifically anything
Speaker 1: flying where we were at People say to me, wasn't
Speaker 1: a drone, a commercial drone. No, I mean they're not
Speaker 1: supposed to be there. Wasn't a helicopter plane and they're
Speaker 1: not supposed to be there. This leaves a you know,
Speaker 1: a void of what this thing was. But let's start
Speaker 1: with it's no flies in. Let's figure this out. And
Speaker 1: it's seven thousand feet whatever it is at seven thousand feet,
Speaker 1: so that eliminates anythink the FAA will let go through there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And even the tours and
Speaker 1: helicopter tours and stuff, they're not at that particular spot.
Speaker 1: They can't be in there. And there's other places in
Speaker 1: the Ntinia I think they go to, but the South Rim,
Speaker 1: which is the national park portion, well the whole thing's
Speaker 1: national park, but specifically there they've taken this this area
Speaker 1: and cape. It's pristine for both whatever's out there and
Speaker 1: the people that are viewing this thing. You know, you
Speaker 1: don't want to be standing there and like have helicopters
Speaker 1: flying by all the time. Just I mean it was beautiful,
Speaker 1: I mean like it was beautiful, heaving, like basically no
Speaker 1: sound and just watching nature. You know, at that point,
Speaker 1: you know, there was there was no interruptions with helicopters
Speaker 1: or anything like that. At that point, they really thought
Speaker 1: it out to do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially if you've got the condors flying right, I
Speaker 3: don't really want their happy to not being disturbed in
Speaker 3: any way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully this helps somebody. I'm good with it. I've
Speaker 1: resolved to the fact that I know. The best thing
Speaker 1: I can say is that it's not in the inventory
Speaker 1: of anything I've ever seen. That doesn't mean it not
Speaker 1: an inventory, if you know what I mean, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that were seeing back in
Speaker 1: the day where you know, like F one seventeen's were
Speaker 1: being spotted, B two's were being spotted for a long time.
Speaker 1: Is it possible I saw something advanced technology from the
Speaker 1: United States? Absolutely, I don't know nothing. Like I said,
Speaker 1: nothing about it creaked me out. Nothing. I've seen testimony
Speaker 1: of people that you have been within, even Airman in
Speaker 1: England for they got right up on these things and
Speaker 1: that kind of creeped me out as far as but
Speaker 1: it never gave me that experience. It never It was
Speaker 1: all curiosity and nothing of fear. Just nothing about it
Speaker 1: that you know scared me or either one of us.
Speaker 1: You know, nothing and uh, but what I don't know
Speaker 1: either is that did anybody else see this? I don't know.
Speaker 1: You know, I called out to the canyon and I'm
Speaker 1: still waiting for the call back if you had men,
Speaker 1: because there's they have video cameras out there that the
Speaker 1: Great Canyon doesn't change, so this thing like updates every
Speaker 1: fifteen eventus possibly possibly, but I'm still waiting for that call.
Speaker 1: And you know, just you know, just said, you know,
Speaker 1: there's any reports of anything, because I did see. I
Speaker 1: do see that they do take reports. There was a
Speaker 1: report if you go not especially at the Great Cany.
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at the National Park Service and there
Speaker 1: is reports in there are people reporting stuff. But every
Speaker 1: I got called back. And then it's kind of weird,
Speaker 1: like I don't really need anybody to prove anything for
Speaker 1: me that that's okay. I mean, I don't need anybody
Speaker 1: tell me what I saw. This is not going to happen.
Speaker 1: We both saw this, and there's two witnesses to it.
Speaker 1: You know, we were the same mine and it's just
Speaker 1: not going to be unexplained that we saw something. That's
Speaker 1: something that will will always have, you know, we'll always
Speaker 1: have that that sighting. But as far as the explanation
Speaker 1: of it there now.
Speaker 3: Well, it was an interesting side in a very idyllic place.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm retired, okay, my secret clearance expired thirty seven
Speaker 1: years ago. There's nothing that I told you that, you
Speaker 1: know where I could say I got to stop here
Speaker 1: because this can cost you my job. I don't really care.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no there's just it's just my clain story. Now,
Speaker 1: if this would have been two years ago, I meant
Speaker 1: not be on here where I had all that stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, I had obviously my clearents. I don't have
Speaker 1: that anymore, but like I had a very respected job
Speaker 1: in the healthcare industry, and then I don't know, have
Speaker 1: that's taken as somebody would say, like, hey we heard
Speaker 1: you on the podcast, you know, and then like you
Speaker 1: or whatever like that. I don't think I would have
Speaker 1: done it two years ago. In fact, I know I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have done it, you know. So the fact that
Speaker 1: I'm retired and you know, I've got none of that
Speaker 1: hanging over me, I could just tell a story, not
Speaker 1: a story, but I could tell you you know what happened,
Speaker 1: you know, straight up what happened, you know, honestly, what happened,
Speaker 1: not have to worry about any of that. I think
Speaker 1: that you know, some of these people that are coming
Speaker 1: out about it whatever, And I don't know. I feel
Speaker 1: like that if you're coming out to tell about it,
Speaker 1: just tell about it. I'll give you example. Everyone knows
Speaker 1: who John got he is, and then like his right
Speaker 1: hand guy like Samity Bullbank turned like he flipped on him. Right.
Speaker 1: But I mean, so he told the whole story about
Speaker 1: this guy to save his own you know, to save
Speaker 1: his own thing. Oh, I need to get two sidetracked.
Speaker 1: But my point is that when you come out, you
Speaker 1: don't go back to the people that you're coming out
Speaker 1: against to get approved of what you're going to say.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I hear.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And plus you know, once he's out there, it's out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wonderful Bill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate your time on there. I'll add it
Speaker 1: the way I've started it is that I'm just here,
Speaker 1: you know what happened. Possibly somebody's really looking into this
Speaker 1: that maybe need that information. I thought it was, like
Speaker 1: I said, unique of where it happened at. In fact,
Speaker 1: it didn't happen in the middle the ocean. It was
Speaker 1: like right in front of us. I think that's got
Speaker 1: a lot to say. We'll see where it goes to.
Speaker 3: Bill, I really appreciate you coming on sharing that for
Speaker 3: our listeners.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, you take it easy, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you take it easy.
Speaker 1: Bill.
Speaker 3: Enjoy the rest of your day and we will speak soon.
Speaker 1: Okay, good day, See bye for now.
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Speaker 3: have an encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast,
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Speaker 3: big thank you to Bill for sharing tonight, and thank
Speaker 3: you all for listening. I will be back next week.
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