WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.680 You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report 2 00:00:02.680 --> 00:00:08.039 a UFO hanging in? We don't want to report every 3 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:11.519 thirty one. Do you wish to report a UFO over hey, 4 00:00:11.720 --> 00:00:15.560 we want to one of those areas thirty one. Do 5 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:17.320 you wish to find a report of any kind of it? 6 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:21.039 I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds. 7 00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:26.000 Areas thirty one me neither. There were seven one golf. 8 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:30.480 If it was anybody as above us to pass us, 9 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:34.719 like thirty seconds ago, we were sending one of golf negative, Okay, 10 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:37.039 OFFI the UFO. 11 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:39.119 Yeah, it's murder. 12 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:43.280 Ten o'clock. Yes, if you passed over I got I 13 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:44.159 don't know what it was. 14 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:47.280 But it's from at least to three thousand feet above us. See, 15 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:48.799 I passed right over the top of us. 16 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:53.479 Ninety one one. 17 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:57.079 You just called both to be be fours. They're after 18 00:00:57.759 --> 00:00:58.679 staying the airplanes. 19 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:00.520 He is. 20 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:07.519 To God on an unidentified object every liberty four call 21 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:14.239 or calm on an unidentified flying object. 22 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:19.280 Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their 23 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:25.000 experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter, 24 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:27.560 I would like to be on the show. You can 25 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:48.120 email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. 26 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:51.599 Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you 27 00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:54.599 all this week? I'm Nick Hunter and this is the 28 00:01:54.719 --> 00:01:58.640 UFO Chronicles podcast. We are in Maryland tonight to meet 29 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:01.920 Bill and while I'm a bakecation trip around the states, 30 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:05.560 Bill and his partner witnessed a tic tac shaped object 31 00:02:05.879 --> 00:02:08.840 while walking along the south rim of the Grand Canyon 32 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:12.759 in October of twenty twenty three. Bill is up next, 33 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:15.560 but first, if you enjoy the show and you would 34 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:18.520 like to help support the podcast on Patreon, you can 35 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:20.840 do this for as little as one dollar a month. 36 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:24.680 Head on over to patreon dot com forward slash UFO 37 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:27.520 Chronicles Podcast. You can also find a link in the 38 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:31.240 description of this episode. Any help is very much appreciated. 39 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:49.879 Now on with the show. Hello Bill, Welcome to the podcast. 40 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:54.520 Good morning, good morning, and thank you for coming on today. 41 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:58.879 And you'll call in from the state of Maryland. Right, Okay, Bill, 42 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:03.199 you have an experienceriance that occurred resuly recently last October. 43 00:03:03.240 --> 00:03:05.360 Would you like to start the beginning there please, sir. 44 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:08.120 Sure so, pretty much. Thanks for the opportunity for coming 45 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:10.639 on here so I can just tell about what happened 46 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:13.400 to us. We're both retired and we were just doing 47 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:17.159 a trip. Basically left Maryland and went to Denver and 48 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:20.840 then started west. So that's pretty much how this came about. 49 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:26.759 So one of our stops between Denver and the West Coast, 50 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:30.680 we went to mohab Utah and went to Arches Natural 51 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:36.560 Park and then downward into the Grand Canyon Williams Williams, 52 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:41.719 Arizona specifically, and then up into the Grand Canyon on 53 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:45.840 October fifth, So what about to tell you it was 54 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:51.639 from my research since October fifth may have been, in 55 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:56.639 my opinion, the closest sighting of what's called a tic 56 00:03:56.759 --> 00:04:03.759 tac Ufo daylight sighting that I can find. So my 57 00:04:03.919 --> 00:04:08.039 main objective here is to be used as a resource 58 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:12.840 basically too if anyone in the community would like what 59 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:15.840 I've seen and maybe that can help them. I don't 60 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:18.759 know if I'm giving someone the five hundred piece of 61 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:21.800 a puzzle with the first piece, but I'm here as 62 00:04:21.800 --> 00:04:26.439 a resource and that's what I'm offering today. So we'll 63 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:31.079 get into my background. I'm retired forty seven years as 64 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:34.560 I professional. I was in the United States Air Force 65 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:37.680 for four years with a secret clearance. I'm was stationed 66 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:43.399 both at Right Patterson Air Force Base and Ramstein, West Germany, 67 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:47.040 so I you know, I got out of got out 68 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:50.079 of the military, then just went into the civilian culture. 69 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:55.319 My background with specifically like aircraft is my father was 70 00:04:55.360 --> 00:05:00.879 a flight engineer during World War Two on both B 71 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:03.800 seventeens and B twenty four, So I had a pretty 72 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:09.519 good upbringing through air shows, museums, you name it. I've 73 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:13.360 been to many museums as far as in our area. 74 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:16.399 Like we're closer to Washington, d C. So that would 75 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:19.360 be a National Air and Space Museum, Hazy, which is 76 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:23.800 out in Dallas, And during my time at Bright Patterson 77 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:27.560 was able to see the you know, Air Force Museum, 78 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:30.600 so I'm pretty familiar with that as well. As we 79 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:33.480 go to air shows all the time, both for the 80 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:39.199 Blue Angels and Thunderbirds, so pretty experienced with that sort 81 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:43.240 of culture as far as that. So basically, like our trip, 82 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:46.720 like I said, started at Denver and some of the 83 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:49.279 places we were coming to it was you know, I'm 84 00:05:49.319 --> 00:05:51.600 just telling you just to fill this in here. We 85 00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:55.600 had sixteen days to go from Denver to the West Coast, 86 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:59.680 so in between there we went to Arches, Durand Canyon 87 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:03.439 over Damn, Las Vegas. We went to area fifty one, 88 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:07.439 it was kind of neat, and then Sequoia National Park, 89 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:12.279 San Francisco, Santa Cruz, Big Sern then flew out of 90 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:17.360 La So getting to the October fifth of currents. So 91 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:21.000 we left Williams, Arizona and we headed north about it's 92 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:25.040 about eighty miles Williams, Arizona to the Grand Canyon. And 93 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:27.680 so we were just there as tourists, just like anyone 94 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:31.480 else's and just got familiar with, you know, where we 95 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:36.000 were at, kind of checked out the visitor center, kind 96 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:38.399 of got checked in there. We saw that there was 97 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:43.000 a night sky event that night, so we were coming 98 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:44.879 back anyway to see the night sky. I don't have 99 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:47.040 if you've ever seen it out there, but it's spectacular. 100 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:50.759 So once we got situated with where we're at, we 101 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:54.399 just kind of headed west on the path that's there. 102 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:56.680 If you're not familiar, I mean, I guess from this 103 00:06:56.759 --> 00:06:59.439 point on, like if anyone has a map of the South, 104 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:02.079 rim might be good time to pull that out to 105 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:05.000 kind of look at our journey. As well as flight 106 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:09.360 radar twenty four, so that's two tools that might be 107 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:12.839 pretty good on what I'm about to tell you. So 108 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:16.120 we headed west and it's a tree lined path on 109 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:19.279 both sides. A lot of people that aren't familiar with 110 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:21.600 to the Grand Canyon. It isn't like you're looking over 111 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:23.720 the Grand Canyon all the time. So it's a path. 112 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:28.000 There are specific points that the National Park Service has 113 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:31.240 kind of like made so you have viewing points at 114 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:34.920 different places, so it isn't like you're looking over the 115 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:38.040 Grand Canyon all the time. It's going to emphasize that point. 116 00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:42.160 It's a tree line path. And then so we're off 117 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:46.040 from the visitor center and it's about a three mile 118 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:51.560 journey between the visitor center and the Grand Canyon Village, 119 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:56.120 so really about the halfway point, there's a I'm probably 120 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:58.839 going to not say this name right, but you bob hey, 121 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:02.439 I think it's called the Geological Museum that they have there. 122 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:05.879 So we kind of stopped there and we left there 123 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:10.040 and interested enough. And this plays out later and when 124 00:08:10.040 --> 00:08:14.040 I got to tell you we're walking towards, which we're 125 00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:17.720 in a southwestern direction, we observed like a sea one 126 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:22.360 thirty and it was to our southwest direction, and I 127 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:24.959 just mentioned I was like, you know, I wonder what 128 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:26.959 I wonder what he's doing up here, And that's pretty 129 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:31.079 much that part of that story, you know. So it 130 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:32.840 was a kind of weird, I don't know, you know. 131 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:37.080 So we kept walking and we're probably about a halfway 132 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:44.320 between this geological museum and the Grand Canyon Village when 133 00:08:44.720 --> 00:08:47.519 when we just started decided to stop. You know, it's 134 00:08:47.559 --> 00:08:50.879 it's out stage seven thousand feet, so, you know, we 135 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:54.879 sit there and just took a rest. At this point, 136 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:59.000 we're looking straight across the Grand Canyon. From the pictures 137 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:00.360 I've sat to you, you can see it was an 138 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:04.320 absolutely clear day. You can see as far as you 139 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:07.360 you know, as far as you possibly had. So we're 140 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:09.679 kind of sitting there and later I was able to 141 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:13.840 like map this out on like a real map. So 142 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:16.679 the experience was that we were just kind of, you know, 143 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:19.559 just kind of hanging out and it just taking about 144 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:22.440 a fifteen minute break. At some water to my two 145 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:24.600 o'clock position, there's a I think I sent you a 146 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:27.320 picture of a cliff. It just caught my eye just 147 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:30.639 as quick as that I was I saw it, and 148 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:34.480 it would appear to be I thought it first it 149 00:09:34.519 --> 00:09:37.279 looked like it was a milar balloon. You know, that's 150 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:40.200 the best way I can say. On its side and 151 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:43.320 some saying to myself, who's who's going to do this, 152 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:47.399 because earlier in the journey were we're saying about the 153 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:50.240 you know, the California condors, and you know, this is 154 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:53.120 pretty Christine place and I was just took me for 155 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:56.279 a second sometime to processed this, and then this thing 156 00:09:56.360 --> 00:09:59.519 kept it started out. It appeared to me, you know, 157 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:02.320 I didn't track it for like miles, It just was there. 158 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:05.440 Whether it was coming towards just I don't know. But 159 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:07.720 when I caught it, it was right above that cliff. 160 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:11.000 So what I first saw it was like they think 161 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:14.559 people call it citar shaped object. It was like a 162 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:18.200 really dark ry at the bottom middle of it was 163 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:21.840 I would say, like a gun metal, and then the 164 00:10:21.879 --> 00:10:25.919 top was silver and white. Okay. I just kept looking 165 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:29.240 at this thing, and this whole process only lasted about 166 00:10:29.240 --> 00:10:34.039 maybe fifteen seconds. So as it started my two o'clock position, 167 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:39.279 and then as it came across to my twelve o'clock, 168 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:42.679 I just said it was I was like, what the 169 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:45.679 heck is that? And that's when my girlfriend that she 170 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:47.840 looked and she was like, wow, what's that, you know. 171 00:10:47.919 --> 00:10:51.200 So what was interesting about it is that from the 172 00:10:51.279 --> 00:10:54.480 start to from two o'clock to twelve o'clock position. When 173 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:56.559 it started at the two o'clock position, it was the 174 00:10:56.559 --> 00:11:00.159 same colors as I expressed. And then when I first 175 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:04.120 it looked a little bit buzzy or hazy. And then 176 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:07.960 as it got to our twelve o'clock position, I didn't 177 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:10.120 realize at the time, but the thing was actually coming 178 00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:13.200 towards us. It went from our twelve o'clock to our 179 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:16.000 nine o'clock position and doing so, that was when I 180 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:19.759 later found out it was actually coming from our northeast 181 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:22.679 and left in the southwest. But as I got right 182 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:26.559 in front of us, and I later plotted this on 183 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:28.720 the map, it was within a quarter of a mile 184 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:30.600 of us, I got to really look at this thing, 185 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:35.080 and as it was lifting, it was doing a steady pool, 186 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:39.720 probably going about my estimate speed's but three fifty four hundred, 187 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:42.879 absolutely no sound, and once I got in front of us, 188 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:45.759 it became white. So my thoughts at that point was 189 00:11:45.759 --> 00:11:49.559 weather balloon, you know, what's that? Then I said, that's 190 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:52.960 what Faber saw, and then as it went by, I 191 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:56.360 just said, nassa white to myself. So so at this 192 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:59.480 point it passes us, I get trees in the way, 193 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:03.639 look back to a nine o'clock and it's now become 194 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:06.720 a dot. It lifted it. I mean it lifted in 195 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:10.000 the horizontal. And what I mean by that it never 196 00:12:10.039 --> 00:12:13.080 went nose up. It climbed like it was when an escalator, 197 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:17.440 not elevator, So it lifted out at that time. There 198 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:21.840 wasn't a picture that I provided. It's basically like a 199 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:25.919 dot the best we can do. At no time during 200 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:29.399 this time that I even think about getting I mean, 201 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:31.480 even if I'd got my phone out at the time, 202 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:33.840 I would have been fumbling around with it. I wouldn't 203 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:35.679 have seen what I've seen. But so when I got 204 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:38.039 in front of us and it got into the sun, 205 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:40.480 got a really good look at this thing. It was 206 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:43.279 probably about forty feet long that I can ask to make. 207 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:47.279 It looked like a flying pro pane tank, not a 208 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:52.559 tic tack, a small thing, and it had two I'm 209 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:54.399 going to say, either hooks on the bottom of it 210 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:57.879 or what looked like to be like backwards pedo tubes 211 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:02.159 that were on us. On this craft, there's no windows, 212 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:05.799 no lights, markings. And when I say Nassal white. What 213 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:08.000 really struck me. I don't know why it struck me 214 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:11.519 at that time, but you know, with my knowledge of 215 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:15.799 going around and seeing like different museums and seeing i know, 216 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:17.679 in the past, like people say it was white, and 217 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:19.799 I'm like, okay, was look in the white for a second, 218 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:23.279 and in white it was a matt of white. It 219 00:13:23.279 --> 00:13:25.840 looked like to me, it looked like the same colors 220 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:29.159 Space Shuttle, which I've stood within, you know, thirty feet 221 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:31.559 of it before, and I've seen pictures of it. I 222 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:34.759 actually seen it fly over one when it was piggybacked 223 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:37.720 on the seven forty seven. So, but it was that 224 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:40.200 type of white, and it really struck me that, I mean, 225 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:43.600 we're getting reports of this color like white. Well I 226 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:45.639 kind of did a deeper dive into that white and 227 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:48.720 there is an actual white paint you know that people use. 228 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:52.799 I'm just trying these things out there, that it absolutely 229 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:55.600 struck me as Nassal white. So yeah, we got a 230 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:58.799 really good look at this thing, not backing down on it, 231 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:02.480 and it is it is, you know, so kind of 232 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:04.279 like didn't know what to do at that point, you know, 233 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:07.679 like we were when we got to the Grand Canyon, village, 234 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:10.240 and I said, you know, maybe we should report this 235 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:13.360 to somebody, and then we're like, well maybe not. And 236 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:15.279 I don't know who to report it to at this point, 237 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:18.600 you know, so explained that a little earlier. Were really 238 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:22.360 not in that world of knowing that. So we get 239 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:24.960 back to we drive back down to Williams, Arizona. Back, 240 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:28.480 we go back down and just kind of hanging out 241 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:30.480 the hotel and I'm like, I do what every other 242 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:33.440 researcher does. I guess so like Google how to report 243 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:35.960 the UFO to. So there was a couple of places 244 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:38.600 that I reported to. I don't know if I should 245 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:42.000 say who they are, but I think they're normally and 246 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:44.639 you can ask that later on if it's I don't 247 00:14:44.679 --> 00:14:46.639 know if I'm should or not. But one was like 248 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:50.519 an online thing. I filled out a report that day. 249 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:55.919 Also gave it like a telephone deposition kind of clicked off, 250 00:14:55.919 --> 00:15:00.360 you like, have somebody, have somebody INVESTI call me. So 251 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:03.639 that was my first kind of reaching out. I never 252 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:06.519 heard back from anyone on that I've checked there. They 253 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:08.799 have like an app that I put on my phone 254 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:11.279 and there's a lot of different things on there. I 255 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:13.759 didn't see mine, so I don't have to, I'll ever 256 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:16.320 get a call. Then I reached out to when I 257 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:21.320 got back, I thought it was another organization, and so 258 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:24.480 I reached out to the state director to find out 259 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:27.240 in Maryland, here's a number that I have, can you 260 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:30.200 give me an update? And they didn't find it, so 261 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:33.279 so they gave me the director of Arizona and that's 262 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:36.000 kind of where it started. That was probably after I 263 00:15:36.039 --> 00:15:40.159 got back. It was probably Land the eighteenth of October. 264 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:42.440 They were very nice. They got in touch with they 265 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:46.519 sent got an investigator call, gave the same pretty much 266 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:50.039 deposition I'm giving right now of what happened. So that 267 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:52.200 kind of went away. There was no way for me 268 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:57.200 to do online check of what was going on, and 269 00:15:57.279 --> 00:15:59.360 so I kind of waited to send emails, kind of 270 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:03.919 waited and then but you know, I gave them pictures. 271 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:07.679 I think I gave you five pictures possibly, But we 272 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:09.799 later found out is when we were going through all 273 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:12.440 of our photos of the Grand Canyon that that we 274 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:16.480 did find two other ones that need to be looked at. 275 00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:19.279 I don't have the I don't know. I really don't 276 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:23.279 have any applications that will enhance pictures or do anything 277 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:25.399 like that so maybe if there's somebody out there that does, 278 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:27.960 maybe we can get that to them. I don't know, 279 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:31.480 you know, but they're pretty interesting. Gave the deposition and 280 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:34.879 kind of just like waited, right, I did get something 281 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:39.360 back from them, and from what they were able to find, 282 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:42.240 what they told me was that it was a reflection. 283 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:46.120 So it was a reflection from a C one thirty 284 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:50.039 say here comes. I'm like, okay. So when I first 285 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:54.080 got contacted by the investigator, they did prior research into 286 00:16:54.200 --> 00:16:57.519 like my location and said there was nothing for you know, 287 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:00.360 fifty miles around us at that time. When I was like, well, 288 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:02.960 I can tell you I saw the C one thirty. 289 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:06.359 I mean you said, like, something's not there, something's not 290 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:09.200 right what you're saying, And they said, sometimes I guess 291 00:17:09.319 --> 00:17:13.079 that they turn off their transponder, which I don't know. 292 00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:16.599 I don't know, I mean they do they turn them off. Well, 293 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:21.839 what they did give me was some information and they 294 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:26.000 had an investigator kind of look at our position. And 295 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:29.359 this is where I have a problem with that investigation 296 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:32.119 is that at that point I was never called back 297 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:35.160 or never, you know, at any point was I asked 298 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:39.160 about anything. It was just done by that and they 299 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:42.599 gave me their opinion via email and that was it. 300 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:46.839 I asked it for it to be escalated to someone else. 301 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:49.279 Haven't or anything back. But the problem I have with 302 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:53.400 their their investigation and again like first, I'm being told 303 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:56.440 that there was nothing in there, and I was kind 304 00:17:56.480 --> 00:17:58.720 of confused by that because I absolutely saw the c 305 00:17:58.920 --> 00:18:02.720 one thirty twice. But they gave me some good information 306 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:06.559 as far as they were able to find that sea 307 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:09.759 went thirty. And the issue I have with their fightings 308 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:12.279 is that at the time we took the picture was 309 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:17.039 eleven twenty three am local time in Arizona, and the 310 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:20.759 picture was taken to our southwest. And then at that 311 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:23.480 time it was just a white dot. But if you 312 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:25.440 take anything can blow it up, you can see it's 313 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:28.880 like pure white and it doesn't have any wings or 314 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:31.519 anything like that, but it's pixelated. So maybe something can 315 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:35.880 figure that out. But from the investigation, when they took 316 00:18:35.920 --> 00:18:40.240 our location and they found this sea one thirty that 317 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:43.839 they attract they from our position at the same time 318 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:47.559 it was ever the canyon to our northwest. So that's 319 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:51.519 so I'm saying that possibly whatever this thing was actually 320 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:55.559 crossed the path of the Sea one thirty that later 321 00:18:55.599 --> 00:18:58.000 I found out to be out of Kirtland, so it's 322 00:18:58.119 --> 00:19:02.960 kind of disparancy of what we're finding here. So I 323 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:06.160 did track with this information with the flight radar twenty four. 324 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:09.799 I can tell you that the SERRA numbers twelve desks 325 00:19:09.880 --> 00:19:14.119 fifty seven sixty. It went with callsign of Stalko eight 326 00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:18.000 on October fifth. So anyone that has flight just familiar 327 00:19:18.039 --> 00:19:20.400 with flight rate, our twenty four can track this flight 328 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:23.319 and see where exactly where we're at eleven twenty three 329 00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:27.160 and our like I said, our photo, our photo was 330 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:31.319 taken to the southwest. But more importantly, you know what 331 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:34.680 we saw in front of us is absolutely within a 332 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:38.319 quarter of a mile because what's interesting about our location 333 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:41.319 is that even though the Grand Canyon is the biggest 334 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:44.640 hole on the Earth, and from our location it's ten 335 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:47.640 miles across to the other side, we just happened to 336 00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:51.039 stop in a horseshoe canyon. We were at the bottom 337 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:54.680 of the Horseshoe Canyon and there's a cliff to the right, 338 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:58.119 and once I plodded this out on a map, it's 339 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:01.359 all within a quarter to a half mo of our location. 340 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:04.880 And then at that point from our two o'clock to 341 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:09.440 a nine o'clock position, was going from basically northeast to southwest. 342 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:12.559 It was actually coming straight pretty much towards us. You know, 343 00:20:12.759 --> 00:20:15.960 was it like something that I saw in you know, 344 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:19.480 like twenty miles away or didn't know. I really had 345 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:22.079 to plot it out and and kind of see like 346 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:25.920 its exact location. So yeah, I mean that's pretty much 347 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:28.839 everything I got on this thing that I can think of. 348 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:31.640 Some of the questions I have for maybe somebody that 349 00:20:31.839 --> 00:20:34.880 knows more about this than I do, is that, like, 350 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:39.000 what is what does it mean by stalk when you 351 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:41.240 have a call sign stop? That's one of the things 352 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:44.799 that I can't figure out what that is. I've tracked 353 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:47.920 just as a curiosity. I just tracked every flight of 354 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:51.039 this thing for like a whole year. It's only been 355 00:20:51.079 --> 00:20:53.839 up the degree in Canyon like four times. It's only 356 00:20:53.880 --> 00:20:57.799 done that one that one route, you know, the day 357 00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:00.000 we were there. And the other interesting part about it, 358 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:02.960 we're smack in the middle of the no flies zone, 359 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:06.480 so the ceiling of the flies in the Grand Canyon. 360 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:09.640 Anyone could look this up. I mean, so we're in 361 00:21:09.720 --> 00:21:13.359 something called Bright Angel that's where no flies are in 362 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:17.480 as so there's no drones there, there's no planes, and 363 00:21:17.799 --> 00:21:20.400 the ceiling to go over it. It's like I think 364 00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:23.799 fourteen to five something like that. And there are corridors 365 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:27.240 that go through and around. To our immediate right, it's 366 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:31.920 something called Zoonie Corridor where the Sea one thirty flew through. 367 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:34.960 It's called the Dragon corridor, and I think there's another 368 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:37.640 one to the left called the Fossil Corridor. I'm not 369 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:41.160 sure the distance of there, but you could clearly see that, 370 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:44.720 you know, the Sea one thirty is flying absolutely the 371 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:48.559 correct path of this thing. But what we saw was 372 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:52.279 in the no FLI zone, which is pretty interesting take. 373 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:55.960 And we're at seven thousand feet I believe, and this 374 00:21:56.039 --> 00:21:59.759 thing was maybe I mean when I saw at the 375 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:03.480 first time, it was pretty much seven thousand feet and 376 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:06.799 then climbed out to I can't tell the distance of 377 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:10.279 how high it was at that point. So witnessed by 378 00:22:10.279 --> 00:22:12.720 two people. Some of the shots they gave you, which 379 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:15.960 is kind of interesting. This thing had no sound, nothing 380 00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:18.480 it was. It could have flown past us one hundred 381 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:21.480 times that day, I don't know, but clearly you could 382 00:22:21.480 --> 00:22:24.440 see all the picture that I was taken that there 383 00:22:24.440 --> 00:22:26.599 are people in this path and they're not looking at it, 384 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:29.519 you know. I mean it's at that point dots above 385 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:32.640 their head. So unless you would have heard sound, you know, 386 00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:35.440 you wouldn't have ever looked that way. So like your 387 00:22:35.480 --> 00:22:38.519 census at that point to me, you know, if all 388 00:22:38.519 --> 00:22:41.279 the air shows I've gone to when I was in Germany, 389 00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:44.640 I actually saw like German Air Force fly over us, 390 00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:47.279 which back and this is back in the late seventies, 391 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:51.920 and and they actually I've actually sayed supersonic at like 392 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:54.720 maybe two thousand feet by there by the German Air 393 00:22:54.759 --> 00:22:57.880 Force they're fining F one F four's and the two 394 00:22:57.960 --> 00:23:00.839 soloists boomed right in front of us as probably about 395 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:03.240 two thousand feet up, So I know what that looks like. 396 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:08.200 I've seen supersonic, I've heard supersonic, and this was like 397 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:11.400 no other thing I've ever seen before. And to both 398 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:13.960 of us, I mean, we were just not weirded out 399 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:16.680 by it. I was more curious than anything, you know, 400 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:19.359 what we were seeing. And your mind goes through a 401 00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:21.400