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Speaker 1: Well off of a weekend that has seen I'm gonna

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say it a bad stoppage in the British main event

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super middleweight win for Callum Simpson. We're gonna recap that fight.

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You can already tell how I feel. What was this

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in the WBC Women's fight. I thought it was a

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TKO and then we're calling it no decision, technical draw. Whatever. Well,

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we're gonna sort through that. We got a lot to

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sort through. It is the Fight Freak to Night recap.

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I'm the somewhat competent host. I rely on the insight

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of one Dan Rayfield or insider. Fight Freaks Unit is

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his substack, after all, Get on the substack, get on

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the newsletter. We love that. We typically recap coming off

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the weekend, so we got a little bit to recap here.

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We got fight news, we got nostalgia. George Foreman's gonna

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come up, Joe Frasier's gonna come up. We've got a

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lot of other stuff. I'm told eighties dramas are gonna

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probably come up too, a little bit later on off

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the TV because Rayfield's going down the list of all

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the shows he had to watch on like Thursday Night,

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Fighting Night, your mother, your mother. I was letting Tanny

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and eleven year old Dan Rayfield watch things like Dynasty

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and Dallas and those kind of shows back in the

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eighty eighty one era. What is up with that?

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Speaker 2: I didn't watch them. Then I watched them a little

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bit later. Oh wait, you're making assumptions. They ran through

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the whole decade.

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Speaker 1: I know, and none of them can hold a candle

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to mimy vice. The debate will be on later on,

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perhaps for a minute or two on the program. All right, Uh,

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can I give the full confession you you hit me with? Hey,

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the main event is over Rayfield cash is. I was

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about to try to find Callum Simpson Steve Woodall from

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England to British Fighters super Middleweights Commonwealth one hundred and

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sixty eight pound title fight. But no sooner could I

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get to the Peacock app or wherever. But this thing

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was stopped, and I'm saying awful stoppage by Mark Bates,

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the referee. There is my take, Simpson was probably gonna

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win the fight later in the second round, maybe even

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in the third round, right Phil. I'm not saying it

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wasn't gonna be a knockout. I just thought it was

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a bad stoppage. There's my thought. Your thought on this

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main event, because we previewed it a bit on the

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bet Us Show on Friday, So that's our recap. What's

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your thought.

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Speaker 2: We're two, Well, a couple things about it. Number One,

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it was a terrible show. Let's just be straight up honest.

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The mismatch in the other fight that we'll talk about

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for a minute, Duboi defending her lightweight WBC title against

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It's like a Kamara, complete mismatch, as I said on

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the bet Us show, and the main event was about

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to be a knockout. Whether you agree with the stoppage

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or not, a terrible fight. Look, it was such a

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bad card. This as the joke going around is that

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even Den Shalom, who is the boxer promoter, didn't show

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up in his own card because he was over across

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the other side of the country. This fight took place

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in Sheffielding when he was in law and attending the

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Ring Magazine Boxing Awards dinner al chic doing what he does.

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So anyway, this was a bad card Callum Simpson Againsteed

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would All in the main event. Kind of a crappy

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main event, you know, even if you're a British boxing fan,

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not a big time fight. But Callum Simpson it looks

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like an up and comer in the sense that he

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might be able to crash the top ten rankings at

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some point in the one hundred and sixty eight pound

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way class. You said he retained the Commonwealth title, but

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he also retained the British super middleway title, and he

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was in with an opponent that was coming off of

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his best win and Steve would also that's pretty much

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the reason why he got this fight. But it was

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not much of a fight. I thought it'd be a

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little more competitive, to be quite honestly, but he dropped

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would All in round two and then in a little

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bit of the follow up attack, you know, he was

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punching him, which is its boxing. Guys get hit and

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as you mentioned Mark Bates, I didn't quite get it,

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just jumped in and stopped the fight. Now I'm all

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for safety want to see a guy yet completely destroyed. Yes,

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have an injury, but this was not a fight that

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it seemed to me anyway where the opponent was in

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serious danger of being heard had you know the knockdown happened,

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but he seemed to be okay. He complained immediately about

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the stoppage. Well, may I interjected, he got a bad,

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Speaker 1: He had his hands up, he threw punches back as

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Baits stuck his right arm out. I've gone back and

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watched it twice. Now what All's about to hit him? Rayphiel.

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He's got his arm and about to throw a right hand,

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and he's like, what are you doing looking at the

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referee while the referee says that's it, and uh, we

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don't have to go on and on about this again.

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It's not a world title fight. But I'm just gonna

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point this out. You want, I did a little research

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on the show. Give me a little credit here, the

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little research on the show, because I'm thinking, Okay, what

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else has Mark Bates been involved in. You go back

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to September and we talked about this at the time,

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the Hams of Shiraz Tyler, Denny fight on the undercard

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of the Dubois knockout, the sensational knockout of Joshua Mark

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gets knocked down in the first round, gets back up,

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he's fighting back. Denny gets knocked out again in the

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second round, and he got hit a couple of times,

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but he is clearly up at the count of eight

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and is putting his arms up to say I want

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to continue, and Bates just decides to wave that fight off.

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I now have two examples that have me concerned this

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guy should not be in big time bouts right now

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without some more scrutiny, because you've got fighters, careers, perse money,

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whatever within your control. And that's two stoppages that I'm

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gonna say we're premature. Because Woodhull just one more. I

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saw an interview with him afterwards. He said, I have

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been hurt in other fights and come back to win.

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I was not hurt, he goes, I was trying to

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fight back.

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Speaker 2: I can't disagree with them, and he says, this.

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Speaker 1: Is costly for my career because I've got a family.

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I've got daughters. He goes, it's one thing if I

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can't defend myself. I'm paraphrasing what he said. He said,

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it's one thing. If I can't defend myself, he said,

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But seriously, he goes, if I had knocked him down,

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would he have stopped the fight like that? With his

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crowd roaring and all that, would he have stopped the

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fight like that? He said? I would have had to

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have knocked him down and gotten the ten count to

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get a stop.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's his thing. We don't know what bab

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another thing. But the end result is it was a

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shitty It was a shitty stoppage. The broadcasters were surprised

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by it. I was surprised by you know, I think

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even even Callum Simpson when you when you looked at

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his body language, when when he realized the fight was over,

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he seemed a little bit surprised.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna move on. But do you agree now that

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I brought up another one, that there should be some

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more scrutiny of this ref I know that's for the

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Brits and the Brits Boxing Board of Control because he's

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got two prominent fights in the last four months where

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you can look at and go, wait a.

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Speaker 2: Minute, yeah, I had forgot. I hadn't realized that he

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was the ref and that other fight I don't remember.

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I mean, I remember talking about that fight, I didn't

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remember specifically that he was the referee in the bout.

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But I'll say this, if I'm the manager or the

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promoter of a fighter that I have in a fight

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significant or even otherwise, and he is assigned to be

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the referee, and maybe my guy doesn't have the best

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chin in the world, or you know, you might want

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to have a little bit of your antenna up on that,

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I guess I don't know if I don't think he's

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doing anything on purpose. I'm not alleging that he was

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on the you know, in the tank or anything. He

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just sometimes you just have, you know, a perspective and

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you're you're a little quick trigger and calling a fight.

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Speaker 1: He's been a referee for about eight or nine years.

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He's also been a judge, and we often talk about

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this A lot of times, these guys will ref a

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fight on a big card and then judge a fight

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and then come back and ref a fight with the

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British boxing I'm just saying, uh, just file this away,

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all right. So we gave that some time on the

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cod feature. Did you agree with me? I thought they

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were stopping the fight for a TKO for Caroline to bloe. No.

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Speaker 2: I knew that I was going to go to the cards,

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the cards, but it was going to be ruled the tech.

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Speaker 1: Kay. I realize she's got the cutover the eye, but

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the swollen right eye was because she's getting popped and

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popped and it's swollen shut.

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Speaker 2: But they're stopping it specifically due to the cut. That's

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the reason I think.

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Speaker 1: I honestly, if i'm Dubois camp, they've got a strong

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argument that should be a t KO. She couldn't continue,

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she could not see out of her right eye. That

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had nothing to do with the with the cut over

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the left eye. Here we go back to the official,

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and remember, let's clarify, elaborate, the referee is ultimately in charge.

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The doctor can recommend, but it's up to the referee

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to whether the fight continues. He agreed with the doctor,

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he waved it off. I just I agree with Dubois.

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She says, Hey, I stopped her. I had her nose

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busted up and bleeding. What did they clarify it? Did

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they clarify that no decision or.

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Speaker 2: What I'm gonna tell you. Let's I'm going to back

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up to the beginning, because you'd like to jump in

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the middle of the story instead of start at the beginning.

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So she's making her first defense. She had been elevated

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from the interim champion to the full WBC champion at

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the convention back in December when Katie Taylor vacated. So

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now she's making her first defense. It's kind of a

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big deal. Everybody looks to Caroline Duoa, the younger sister

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of Daniel Dubois. It's one of the best young women's

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box in the world and with probably a good, long,

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successful career in front of her. And they handpicked kamaraw

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who was her opponent for this fight. Not a fight

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where I thought it would be competitive at all. I

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said it on the Friday that US show, right, and

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Duwa dropped her in the first round. Was clearly overpowering her,

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clearly more talented, clearly in every possible way, Kamara is

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showing heart. I'll give her that credit. And when they

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had a head clash, she got you know, the injury

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from the head clash. Now, whether she was being beaten

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up in other manners, the official reason why the fight

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was stop was due to what had occurred from the

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head butt. So that's what is the reason for the

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stop it. You can say what you think if there

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were some other issues to stop it, but that's It's

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sort of like if you are in a fight and

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you're cut by a punch and there's another cut that

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happens on a butt, but they stopped because of the

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punch from the cut from the butt, it's going to

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be ruled that reason, not from the other one. And

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that's what happened this particular case. Now, they rang the

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bell for the third round and then they called the

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time out, so technically it's the third round. The doctor

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took a look and the ref took a look, and

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they decided that's it. So it goes down because four

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rounds are not complete, and it is a world titled bout,

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it goes down as a technical draw. Now, if the

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fight's taking place in the United States of America, that

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fight is a no contest. They have slightly different rules

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in the way that their administrator. So my particular view is, yeah,

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it sucks that she's gonna have the draw on her record. Yeah,

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she was gonna probably stop her in my opinion, it

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definitely cost us on the bet us because I thought

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she was gonna walk right through Kamara, and it costs

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us on the betting U. But she should have a

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no contest, not a technical draw. And I wish that

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the British Boxing Board would change that rule everywhere else

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that I'm aware of her most places anyway in the

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world that play that it would have been a no contest.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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to Ba is tremendous younger and take a lot of

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ass over the next few years.

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Speaker 1: All right, there we go on that. Now, two other

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points on this one. Kamara was definitely leading with her

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own head on more than one occasion. In fact, one

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time they cracked heads early on in the second round

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with her leaning right in and I don't know how

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well she could see out of the right eye, which again.

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Speaker 2: She got cut by the one on the left.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but the right eye has nothing to do with

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head butts. That's a punch, and her eyes started to

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swell badly from it. She was being beaten up, and

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I'm just saying to Bash it should have gotten better.

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And so then the second part of this, how soon

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do you think we see Duboi back in another title defense,

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because this was basically two rounds of nothingness. Yeah, she'd

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be back in ninety days, you know.

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Speaker 2: I means that's simply a matter of Boxer's calendar and

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what they've got scheduled for their shows. They generally do

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is show a month on Sky Sports in the UK.

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so I don't know what their calendar looks like, you know,

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two to three months from now. Caroline is not necessarily

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in the position at the moment to be the main

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event of these cards. So if they have a spot

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as a co feature on an undercard, absolutely she can

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be on that. But again, it's not a matter of

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her health or her ability. It's just simply a matter

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of what are the logistics for her promoter and other

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obligations that they have to other fighters. So I'd like

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to see her back in the ring as quickly as possible.

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Hopefully Boxer will accommodate that and they'll make a real

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fight for and not a complete mismatch like they did

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on this matchup.

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Speaker 1: Good enough, let's move on to some news, some nostalgia

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all right, Naoya in a way was supposed to be

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fighting Sam Goodman in a couple of weeks. He was

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previously cut, delayed their Christmas Eve fight December twenty fourth,

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and I you know, I'm going about my business on Friday.

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Was it Friday night or was it Saturday morning? And

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my Dan Rayphael Substack is right there and Sam Goodman's

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cut again. Bud, Wait, wait, it's not going to delay

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the date. It's a new opponent now for in a way,

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come up? Well again the details here? Yea? What's going on?

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Speaker 2: You got to just feel terrible for Sam Goodman. I

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mean he took he didn't take the fight, and he

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let in a way fight the Dohaney fight, he took

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a sort of a tune up fight. He won that,

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and then he gets the title shot. He gets the

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injury that costs him the fight on December twenty fourth.

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Now here we are a couple of weeks before he's

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supposed to have the fight. He's spar again, and by

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all accounts are taking every precaution in the training camp

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because he still got a spar even if he got

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the cut, and they're trying to protect it and wouldn't

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you know, he gets hit right on the same exact

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spot and the cut bus open even worse this time.

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Now it's not even just a matter of a few stitches.

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He's going to do classic surgery. I actually got an

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email from his manager who sent me a picture of

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the new injury, and it looks way worse than the

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first one, which at that time Sam Goodman had a

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picture that he posted on his own social This is

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a very bad cut. He's going to be out four months.

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They're saying maybe six months. He's out between the surgery

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and healing process, and you know, in a way, is

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not about to wait for Sam Goodman. You know, Sam

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Goodman is a good fighter, but he's not gonna run

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in a way's career or the junior featherweight division. So

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the team around in a way they found on short notice.

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I don't know if they had him on standby or

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he's a guy that was maybe training for another fight,

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what have you. But they have another opponent for him.

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They've gotten an opponent named Yee June Kim. He is

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a Korean fighter who is thirty two years old, who

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is twenty one victories with two losses. He's been I'm sorry,

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twenty one wins, two losses, and two draws. He has

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thirteen knockouts. He has never been stopped in his two losses.

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He does not have the type of a record where

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if you were peruising down his resume of the different

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fighters that he has faced, you know, you might fight

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one or two guys that you might be familiar with,

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but no big names, no big wins. You know, he's

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done various you know, regional titles, you know, a youth title,

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you know, the IBF Asia title, things like that, so

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he you know, he was in ratings and that sort

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of thing, but again, not a big name at all.

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But I can't even blame in a way because he's

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ready to make a double mandatory because Goodman was the

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mandatory for both the IBF as well as I believe

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it was the WBO, and he was ready, willing, set

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to do the fight twice. I mean, they postponed a

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month to accommedy Goodman's injury, and so now they're moving forward.

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The card will take place, still going to be on

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January twenty fourth, still going to be on ESPN Plus

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in the United States, and in a way is going

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to go in there and defend this world, you know,

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defend his on disputed title.

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Speaker 1: And we knew, I mean, no offense here in a

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way is the drawing card, and he's the reason for

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the discussion about any and all of this. We get this.

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So this is a new opponent, slot, a new opponent

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in there. I'm just looking too and for ye the

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opponent here, he's fought all over the place. Just looking

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at his background. He's fought in Mexico, he's fought in

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the United States, he's fought in Australia, and he's fought

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recently in Thailand in his last four fights. So it

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hasn't just primarily been in Korea, for example. I don't

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know that he's going to be any opposition at all.

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This may be over, maybe over quickly when we come

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around to it.

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Speaker 2: But the bottom line is that I mean, and this

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is nothing against Goodman or any other junior February or

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anything against Kim. But the reality is right now, most

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people would tell you that there's nobody in the one

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hundred and twenty two pounds way class that would be

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a serious test, you know, And even if you're a

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person like myself that supports the idea that Achmadalia should

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get the opportunity. You know, I'm not so sure that

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he provides any kind of humongous tests either. So right now, he,

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you know, in a way, is the champ. He's undisputed.

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He's beating the guys he's supposed to beat in a

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variety of different weight classes, and he's a superstar, and

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he's the kind of fighter, at least in Japan where

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he can fill up an arena regardless of his opponent.

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It's not like Sam Goodman was bringing you know, thousands

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of people to the arena to celtickets and that sort

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of thera. This is the inn a way show, end

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of story.

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Speaker 1: That's right. They're there to see the meal, but you need.

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Speaker 2: Another body across the ring from you. And so it's

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not going to be Sam Goodman as the opponent come

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January twenty fourth. It will be ye ye June Kim.

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And if he somehow does something it has a moment,

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it's still gonna be viewed as like an upset special

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because he's taken this fight on such short notice and

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he is, you know, entirely unknown unless you're the most

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I mean, I heard of him, but I can't say

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I've seen a lot of his fights, or any of

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his fights for that matter. But when I look at

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the record, seen a couple of names I recognize. But uh,

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you know, like most people, you're there to watch NOI

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in a way do his thing up.

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Speaker 1: And then we gave you a little bit about where

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he's been fighting, and that is in a couple of

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weeks on January twenty fourth. All right, little Rayfield news,

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this is why you got to be on the sub stack.

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We've been hearing about Sebastian Fundora and Eryl Spence brother Rayfaeld,

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Is this this is gonna happen? Apparently they're down the road, right,

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go ahead, Well.

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Speaker 2: Like this is this fight has been discussed since. If

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you go back to when Fondora defeated Tim Zoo in

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the Big Upset and he won the WBO one hundred

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and fifty four pound title. He also in that same

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bout won the vacant WBC title. Errol Spence, who was

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also a PBC fighter, was their ringside at the Tmobile

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Arena and got him in the ring after the fight,

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and Fondora and Spence had a friendly back and forth

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and took pictures together and they started to talk about

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fighting each other. Of course, you know, Errol Spence would

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be coming up from the welterweight division, where he has

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not fought since he got his clock cleaned very badly

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in a knockout loss to Terrence Crawford for the undisputed

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welterweight title when they were there to unify all four

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belts back in July twenty twenty three, and ever since then,

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there's been lots of conversation. But Fondora had his injury

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problems because of his nose, and he was suspended medically

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for a period of time and was taking some time

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off understandably after that very very difficult, rigorous fight. His

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promotion team at that time said he ain't fighting until

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the end of the year the earliest, and that you know,

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that ended up not happening, And so there's been and

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then and then Errol had a problem with his eye

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once again that he had to have handled. So you know,

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they were both having their issues back and forth, and

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so there was never to my recollection, I don't remember

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there ever being an actual date officially said Okay, this

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is when it's going to be either announced or even

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through the rumor mill that this was the date. Okay,

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but there was always sort of the intention that they're

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going to fight each other, to the extent that even

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there was discussions with the sanctioning bodies where the WBC

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was willing to sanction and do the fight, but the

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WBO they drew their line in the sand and said

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that they would not allow Errol to challenge for their

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title because he'd been off for such a long period

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of time, he was coming off a bad knockout loss,

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he was not in the WBO ratings. There'd be nothing

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to put him in the WBO ratings because he hasn't

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been active, and so there was a lot of things

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about that that even if it happens, it would be

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only for the WBC title. I guess Fandora wouldn't lose

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the WBO belt, but it just wouldn't be at stake,

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and that if he lost the fight, I guess it

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would go vacant. But anyway, so now for the I

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don't know. I can't say it's the first time, but

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I was told in the last several days, and I

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wrote a little bit about this on my snubsack and

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posted it on my social media. Again, I'll be a

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little surprised frankly, if this does come to pass that

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they're talking about a specific date, which.

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Speaker 1: Is March twenty ninth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, March twenty nine exactly, so when headline a a

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PBC on Prime Video pay per view card, so that's

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the date that they are talking about that is being planned.

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I am told the venue would be the MGM Grand

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Garden area in Las Vegas, obviously one of the main

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places that those types of fights land. Now I have

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said and I wrote specifically, so I don't want anybody

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to accuse me of misinformation. I was very careful and

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specific in the words that I chose. The fight is

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not signed. To my knowledge, no one is that it is.

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It is not one hundred percent on the calendar just yet.

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And I have to be honest with you when I

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was told this the March twenty ninth date, which I've

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now seen reported elsewhere confirming saying, you know, confirming the

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Rayfield report. So it made me feel better anyway. It

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is highly unusual for a promoter in this case PBC

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slash TGB to put on two pay per view fights

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in the same month. And the reason for that, and

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this goes back when I first started covering boxing and

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I learned these types of things back in the days

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of HBO and Showtime. Is the last thing in the

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world that these companies want is for their customer to

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have two pay per view bills in the same billing cycle.

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Now that works a little bit differently now because a

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lot of people access a pay per view if they

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buy it on streaming or as a one off. But

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still you get the credit card bill and there's multiple

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pay per views. So I still don't think that that's

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a good thing. So the reality is that March twenty

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ninth is in the same month as March first, when

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PBC also has a fight with Tank Davis against Lamont Roach,

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which is still scheduled. Not despite his Tank Davis's efforts

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to sabotage his own event by saying it's canceled, it's

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actually not canceled. So we'll see if March twenty ninth

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actually comes to pass. But that is in fact what

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00:21:49,519 --> 00:21:54,039
they are discussing and planning. Sebastian Fandora is training now

475
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,680
in aerol. Spence supposedly is back in the gym. Also,

476
00:21:57,039 --> 00:21:58,000
we'll see what happens.

477
00:21:59,039 --> 00:22:01,599
Speaker 1: I was just to go there with you've got the

478
00:22:02,759 --> 00:22:06,519
Benavidez Morel pay per view coming on February first. Then

479
00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:09,920
you've got Tank Davis. This is a pay per view fight.

480
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,839
The only okay. Errol Spence has done nothing at junior

481
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,480
middleweight to want a title shot, first of all. Second

482
00:22:17,519 --> 00:22:19,759
of all, the last time we saw him, you and

483
00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:22,160
I were there together and everybody else saw it in

484
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,599
Las Vegas in July of twenty twenty three, and he

485
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:30,240
got blasted in that fight. I would feel better on

486
00:22:30,279 --> 00:22:33,319
the credibility of this if Erol Spence had a fight

487
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,839
against somebody at junior middleweight before he got this shot

488
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:37,839
to show what he can do.

489
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 2: Let me jump guys.

490
00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 1: I go in. I go in skeptical that we aren't

491
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,880
gonna see Fundoro wipe him out because I am not an.

492
00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:48,799
Speaker 2: Almost not I have never really had a problem with

493
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,599
a fighter who's not been in a particular weight class

494
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,839
to go to that weight class and challenge for the title,

495
00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:57,440
because that's a lot of guys who go from one

496
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,359
weight class, move up and challenge for another title. To me,

497
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,039
is not in any way, shape or form an issue

498
00:23:02,079 --> 00:23:03,960
when you're one of the top fighters in the world,

499
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,839
like I had no problem. Terrence Crawford coming off of

500
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,000
having beaten Erol Spence go into drumior middleway and challenging

501
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,359
for a title. That's not an issue. The problem is,

502
00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:15,039
and I'm an I love Erol Spence, but the issue

503
00:23:15,079 --> 00:23:17,079
that people would have is not because he's going up

504
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,559
and getting a title opportunity. It's because he's going up

505
00:23:19,559 --> 00:23:22,160
to get a title opportunity after his most recent fight,

506
00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:27,240
not in that weight class, got absolutely destroyed. Even if you,

507
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,160
let's say, if you had lost a close decision to

508
00:23:31,279 --> 00:23:34,640
Crawford or something along those lines, I still probably couldn't

509
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,960
really argue with the fight where he gets the opportunity

510
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,680
to fight for a title. So it's not that he's

511
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,519
coming off a loss and fighting for a title, even

512
00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:42,920
the defeat. It's that it was the manner that was

513
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:48,319
so so so one sided that makes you skeptical. And

514
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,920
again it's going to be the third PBC pay per

515
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,960
view in less than three full months, that's obviously, and

516
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,519
they don't they don't charge cut right prices. These are

517
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,519
seventy to eighty dollars pay per views or more.

518
00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:02,519
Speaker 1: To say it, what are we doing here? Uh? And

519
00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:06,079
the one other factor, all right, and again these guys

520
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,240
take risks. I understand that to get in there. But

521
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,799
if you remember, going back to the summer of twenty

522
00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:14,000
twenty three, in the aftermath of this, there was serious

523
00:24:14,039 --> 00:24:19,160
concern with how brutally beaten up Eryl Spence's face was

524
00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:21,920
on the heels of the fact that he had had

525
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,640
reconstructive surgery for his jaw, for his mouth, his teeth,

526
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:31,519
et cetera, after that bad car crash. Don Okay, well, no,

527
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,640
he had reconstructive surgery after the car crash. I'm talking

528
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,759
about and the way, and I don't know what's been

529
00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:40,799
done since then, but the way that Terrence Crawford brutalized him.

530
00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:43,039
They were talking about stopping that fight maybe after the

531
00:24:43,079 --> 00:24:47,799
second round because of the swelling the blood, et cetera.

532
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,079
And now you tell me there's more eye trouble, which

533
00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:55,079
there is that's out there. I am so skeptical of this.

534
00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:59,319
I am dubious Rayphael on a Sunday about this. Are

535
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,400
we even gonna get to March the twenty ninth when

536
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,759
it comes around in sixty seventy five days, We shall see.

537
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 2: Like I said, we'll see. But I mean, the reality

538
00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:08,920
is that is what they're discussing. My job is to

539
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,519
report the reality of the facts on the ground, and

540
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,799
there is no doubt or dispute that that is the

541
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,920
date and that they're discussing his fight again, whether it

542
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,200
actually gets done and signed for that date, I wouldn't

543
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,920
be shocked at all. If it didn't happen on that date.

544
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: There you go, Or if it doesn't happen at all,

545
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,039
I wouldn't be shocked. It don't hap at all. I'm

546
00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:29,519
saying that, all right, so I listen.

547
00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:31,559
Speaker 2: I will say this. I still do think it will

548
00:25:31,559 --> 00:25:34,319
happen because it's the fight that both camps seem to want.

549
00:25:34,599 --> 00:25:36,720
It's the cant to Fandora. He can have any different

550
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,759
way he could go with different routes. He could maybe,

551
00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:41,440
do you know, find a fight with a rematch with

552
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,839
Tim Zoo, maybe try to unify with Martazoliev, who's part

553
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,880
of PBC in some sense because of his relationship and

554
00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:51,599
doing the Tim Zoo fight. They could maybe go after Crawford,

555
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,200
but he's always been sort of steadfast on Spence and

556
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,119
his team, and Errol wants another title opportunity and there's

557
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,359
not a lot of other opportunity for him. He's not

558
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,640
getting at crawf rematch. At the moment or anything like that.

559
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:06,079
So I do think ultimately, if if everybody's healthy, that

560
00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:07,799
that fight will happen. To me. It's not a matter

561
00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:09,240
of if, it's only a matter of when.

562
00:26:09,599 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm dubious he got destroyed. It hasn't had another fight since.

563
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,359
I'm just putting it on a record, all right, Moving on,

564
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,039
We did talk a lot on this pod going into

565
00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:20,559
the weekend about Tea Fimo Lopez and not wanting to

566
00:26:20,599 --> 00:26:24,359
fight Mattias, turning down the numerous fights. All right. Since

567
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,519
then on Friday, the WBO has now upgraded the Jack

568
00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:32,519
Catterall on Arnold Barbosa fight that is upcoming early on

569
00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:36,799
in February to the interim. Is that the interim situation,

570
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,440
the vacant interim title is now on the line. Clarify

571
00:26:39,559 --> 00:26:41,359
what they did announced, please.

572
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did do that. So, first of all, I

573
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,519
don't think it that Just to back up for a second,

574
00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:48,039
I don't think that I'll defend Tia Fimo Lopez at

575
00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:50,400
the moment, and sometimes he's hard to defend. I don't

576
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,240
think it's that he was ducking Subril Mattias or didn't

577
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,480
want to fight him. I think it was he was

578
00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:58,240
unhappy because he wanted more money like most fighters do.

579
00:26:58,319 --> 00:27:01,279
But that's besides the point. He's been in active. But

580
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,000
by by boxing standards, he hasn't been that inactive. He

581
00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:07,480
just fought in June relatively speaking. That's that's like a

582
00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:10,920
that's like a short weekend, you know, get away. But

583
00:27:12,079 --> 00:27:15,359
in that weekend, in that period of time since the

584
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:22,400
June fight against Steve Claggett, he has turned down numerous fighters.

585
00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:24,400
So he hasn't been active in the sense that he

586
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:27,720
Number one hasn't fought in those number of months. Number

587
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:32,240
two has nothing scheduled. Number three has turned down the

588
00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:35,039
variety of fights that I just mentioned. And so you

589
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,640
have Catterall and Barbosa, who are both in positions where

590
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,440
they have send it to the top of the weight class.

591
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,599
Barbosa had won the fight over Hoser Ramirez, although he

592
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,359
declined to make that the official eliminator. But Caterrell was

593
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,119
a guy that certainly warrants another world title opportunity. So

594
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,599
many people feel like he was robbed in the undisputed

595
00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:55,839
fight against Josh Taylor. He's got to win more recently,

596
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,519
where he did a good job against Regis Program. Anyway,

597
00:27:58,519 --> 00:28:01,039
these are whatever you think about their styles or their

598
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:04,640
resumes or whatever it is. There's no dispute that among

599
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,599
the top handful of guys at one hundred and forty

600
00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:09,440
pounds are Jack Catterall and Arnold Barbosa Junior. So they

601
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,839
had signed to do the eliminator that's going to take

602
00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:14,880
place February fifteenth at the co Op Live in Manchester, England.

603
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,200
It's the Zone main event. Manchester is essentially Jack Catterall's

604
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,480
home area. You know, he's from a small town, you know,

605
00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:24,759
fifteen twenty minutes from there, and so it was the eliminator.

606
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,640
But because of the situation that was going on with

607
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,440
Ti Femo, the WBO decided Gustavo Alverari, who's the new

608
00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:36,240
WBO president, was interested to do this, in his opinion,

609
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:38,960
to try to keep the division moving, keep things active.

610
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,279
You know, they'd like to keep their their coffers filled

611
00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:45,119
and their fighters fights and the rankings moving and all that.

612
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,519
I can't even blame him, be honest. So because of

613
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:50,240
the un as he described it in his own comments

614
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,000
that he said about it, this was in light of

615
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:56,039
the uncertainty regarding Ti Fimo Lopez his career, and then

616
00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:57,640
he felt that it was in the best interest of

617
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,599
boxing and in the one hundred and forty poundsion to

618
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,359
make this an interim title fight to can sort of

619
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,079
keep things going. So they I guess he consulted as

620
00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:08,039
I texted him after he made the post, and I said,

621
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,640
this is this actually official, because originally he was just

622
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,720
saying this is what he would like to do, but

623
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:16,480
he still has to consult with his championship committee. So

624
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,319
I messaged him before I wrote about it in the

625
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,400
you know the next day, and he was like, yes,

626
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,319
it's been done and it will be for the ternom title.

627
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,240
So it will now be for the term title and

628
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:28,240
as he finished his original message, the show must go on.

629
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:31,160
And that is true. T Themo Lopez and every other

630
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:34,400
champion in boxing is not above the sport. You know,

631
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,319
you have every right to go and do your career

632
00:29:36,319 --> 00:29:38,279
how you want, but you do not have a right

633
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:40,880
that if you're not going to fight, which is again

634
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,039
your prerogative, you cannot hold up your title and the

635
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:45,400
division for a long periods of.

636
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,119
Speaker 1: Time, unless, of course, it's Jamal Charlow three years with

637
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,920
the WBC without defending it once. I'm just putting that

638
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,119
out there one hundred percent organization.

639
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: But yes, and by the way, I actually think that

640
00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:59,119
if the WBC had to do that again, they might

641
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,880
do it in a different But that's besides the point.

642
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,000
I feel like the WBO.

643
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: Had like an extra year to do the right thing.

644
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,000
I'm just saying, and I don't want to sidetrack us.

645
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,519
Speaker 2: But again, I'm not here to discuss what doubt is them.

646
00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:13,319
I'm here to talk about the WBO junior welter.

647
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: H what it's the likelihood that tam Femo fights the

648
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,079
winner of this fight later in the summer, is that

649
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,559
I mean, that's compelling. The winner in this fight obviously

650
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,599
would be a compelling opponent for Taya Femo.

651
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,359
Speaker 2: I don't think it's impossible. However, I think ta Femo

652
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,440
frankly is looking for bigger names, bigger money. It's no

653
00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:36,680
surprise that tia Fimo was in London at the Ring

654
00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:39,839
Magazine gala dinner. He met with Turkey al Chik. At

655
00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:42,680
this dinner, you know there's big things afoot. Turkey has

656
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,200
said that he'd like to see tia Fimo win a

657
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,680
fight against the likes of a Ryan Garcia or a

658
00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:52,559
Devin Hainey, somebody like that, so well, it's not out

659
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:55,640
of the realm of possibility. I think there'll be other

660
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:56,599
bigger things growing.

661
00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:00,799
Speaker 1: Fair enough on that one more note, Oh hey, Jeron

662
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,759
Bootsenis is on the rundown here coming off the weekend.

663
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:09,119
The IBF welterweight champion is apparently trying to figure out

664
00:31:09,119 --> 00:31:11,920
if he can have a unification fight now with a

665
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:15,759
Mitis stanionis. All right, so tell me the latest here

666
00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:20,039
and there also is obviously a mandatory challenger as well.

667
00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:22,640
Tell me more that it has to be accommodated in

668
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:23,920
this what's going on here?

669
00:31:24,319 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 2: Well, and as you know, and everybody who follows us

670
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,759
knows that he was supposed to fight which would have

671
00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:32,559
been a great fight against Virgil Ortiz Junior, that was

672
00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:34,640
going to be on the February twenty second card in

673
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,880
Saudi Arabia, the big big show they're doing. Main event

674
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,680
of that of that big event is the rematch between

675
00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:42,680
Arthur betder bievan Dimiti Bibol for the on disputed light

676
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,359
heavyweight title. And then of course in they were trading

677
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,640
their paperwork and well, I don't know, it suddenly showed

678
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,519
up that they were going to do the fight at welterweight,

679
00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:54,039
which was never contemplated for the bout, and so myself

680
00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:56,359
and others, I mean, whatever you say to me, that

681
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,440
was just a point out, flat out duck, you know,

682
00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:01,039
quack quack quack quack quack qack quack quack quack. But

683
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,799
one thing is after Ennis had his uh win, although

684
00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:08,079
not a great performance in his rematch with Karen Chikazi

685
00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:10,279
and the mandatory, he made a whole big thing about

686
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:12,079
how he wants to go to you know, possibly go

687
00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:14,720
to junior middleway because he's really having a hard time

688
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,279
making the welterweight limit. But also he wanted to unify

689
00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:20,960
before he moved up. And as we discussed that nauseum,

690
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,279
at that time, there were no unification fights to be

691
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:27,480
had because the other title holders were not currently available.

692
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,279
And one of the one of the things that was

693
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,799
the reason for that is because Amanta Stanionis, who was

694
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:36,519
the WBA champion, had a mandatory order from the w

695
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,319
BA to fight his mandatory challenger, which is Chakrum Giosov,

696
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:43,920
the Olympian, who had just fought a few days before

697
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,640
the August reat season card on the Santa Monica Pier

698
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,279
where I attended and watched him. You know, look kind

699
00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:52,960
of pedestrian, to be quite honest with you. But anyway, Uh,

700
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,720
they had gone back and forth for quite a bit.

701
00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:57,279
And so Eddie Hearn, who was the promoter for Giasov

702
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,559
and and Uh and Sanionos is with Pebs see they

703
00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:03,200
had made a deal and although they hadn't announced when

704
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,599
and where the fight would be, but the WBA said

705
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:10,240
they had made a deal canceled the person. However, you

706
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,200
have Gisaw who was with Mattrow. But oh, by the way,

707
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,880
bout tennis is matter trom Also so it is said

708
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,519
to me by the WBA that Giosov had agreed to

709
00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:22,279
step aside in the last you know, say a week

710
00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:24,440
or two or whatever to allow for them to do

711
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,480
a unification fight, if that is what can take place.

712
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,680
And when Eddie Hearn was in Australia last week where

713
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,359
he was co promoting ji Opataiah's cruiserweight title defense, he

714
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,400
did a bunch of interviews with some of the press

715
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,920
in Australia and when he was asked about different fighters

716
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,079
in his table, he was asked about boot Tennis and

717
00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:44,599
he said, yes, we are negotiating or trying to make

718
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,880
this match between Boots and stanionis uh and so that

719
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,480
is where we're standing. They are negotiating the fight they

720
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,240
have Apparently, according to what GILBERTA. Mendoza, the president of

721
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,720
the WBA, told me, that chiosav had agreed to step aside.

722
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,559
It appears as though if they can come to terms,

723
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:02,359
they have a clear pathway where the title will be

724
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,880
available in the fight. So I suspect that that will

725
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,160
get made at some point. And while it's not as

726
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,960
good or as interesting a fight as one against Virgil Artis,

727
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,159
at the very least it is a unification fight to

728
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,239
the stilly worthy interesting matchup. They are both undefeated, they

729
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,639
both make entertaining matches, and I'd be happy to see them,

730
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,559
you know, both of them get their opportunity to unify.

731
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: And I will say one more thing to this, It's

732
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,000
not our job to do public relations for Jeron Innis.

733
00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:31,400
It's been a mess. He's taken broadside hits. But if

734
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,519
he wants to stay at welterweight and accumulate belts and

735
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:39,840
try to become a more noteworthy if not, you know,

736
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,519
have a significant part of his career be welterweight world champion,

737
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:46,079
if that's what he has in mind. Okay, I'm behind

738
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:48,920
that now Again, I'm on the record as we sit

739
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,519
here January the twelfth, correct the year twenty twenty five

740
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:56,599
of our lord. If he's moving up to one fifty

741
00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:00,159
four after he fights stanionis that this whole thing as

742
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:02,400
a joke, this whole because he could have already been

743
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,800
at one fifty four. Well, no, no, we both have

744
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,119
our opinions. I'm giving you my opinion if he ducked

745
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:12,639
out and it is a duck of the Ortiz fight

746
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:15,480
to have maybe one more fight to get an extra

747
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:18,719
belt and then eventually move up to one fifty four. Anyway,

748
00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:22,320
my opinion is that's a joke. If that's what he

749
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,360
does now, that's a hypothetical.

750
00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:26,559
Speaker 2: Thing should be true at the same time, I if

751
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:29,519
he fights the unification, he will have justified his desire

752
00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:33,119
to stay because he said he wanted atification fight. Now,

753
00:35:33,159 --> 00:35:35,599
I don't think he's staying for the long term because

754
00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:38,320
I don't think those other unifications are necessarily going to

755
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,239
be there, but they might be maybe Brian Norman, if

756
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,679
he wins his fight in his defense in March, they'll

757
00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:47,360
revisit that fight potentially. But I would be a little

758
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,320
surprised if he's able to do an undisputed situation that

759
00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:52,559
takes a lot of effort, and there is a lot

760
00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:54,679
of talent at sixty four, so I don't think, and

761
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,639
again I've been very harsh on Ennis that it is

762
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,320
a duck of virginal artists. But that said, if he

763
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,760
stays and he Unification fight, and then he goes up,

764
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,960
he'll have done what he wanted to do, which is Unified,

765
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,920
which is still in the pantheon of anybody's resume and

766
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,280
career important, and there will still be opportunity for major

767
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,039
fights at one fifty four, perhaps even to revisit a

768
00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:16,400
Virgil Ortiz fight down the road, which would make the

769
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,800
whole episode of his supposed ducking part of a storyline

770
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,159
that would make that fight even bigger.

771
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,639
Speaker 1: I understand, And my opinion is if his next fight

772
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,400
after whatever's being proposed here, is at one fifty four,

773
00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:28,960
that's a.

774
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,559
Speaker 2: Joke, because you probably it probably will be.

775
00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:34,079
Speaker 1: The greats, the greats in the eighties, which you and

776
00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:36,639
I are nostalgic, and we're about to get to the nostalgia.

777
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,440
Leonard would move up and move back down to Reynard

778
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,719
would durand would move up and move back down. Hearns

779
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,679
would move up and move back down. Marvin Hagler was

780
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,119
like the only guy out of the four Kings that

781
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:48,320
stayed at middleweight. They would go up and come back down.

782
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,559
In wait, it's not like it's unheard of to take

783
00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:53,119
a fight at one fifty four and then come back

784
00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:55,599
and be a great champion at one forty seven. Happened

785
00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:57,719
before I'm off my soapbox.

786
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,119
Speaker 2: Not just sadies where that's happened. It's happened plenty of time.

787
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,599
Speaker 1: Sure, So all right, we gave that enough time. Stay

788
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:06,519
tuned on whether that fight gets made or not, or

789
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:08,440
whether we go another few months and we don't see

790
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,559
Jeron Innis fight anybody other than Jacazi, in which we

791
00:37:10,559 --> 00:37:16,440
saw twice. Nostalgia time, shall we? It was eight years

792
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,119
ago on Tuesday, January fourteenth is the date we're talking about,

793
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:27,159
twenty seventeen, where James Degail and Badu Jack bought what

794
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,000
Raphael calls an epic super middleweight unification fight that ended

795
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:34,280
up with no winner. You were ringside, and also some

796
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,079
guy named Gervonte Davis Tank Davis became a world champ

797
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:42,239
for the first time. You were there Barclay Center, correct, Brooklyn,

798
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,719
New York. What do you remember about that doubleheader?

799
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 2: This was a great show. And by the way, besides

800
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,880
just those two bouts that you mentioned, which were the

801
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,559
main TV fights on Showtime, he also had Amanda Serrano

802
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:55,280
in a world title fight on the undercard, and I

803
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,800
don't even think was televised to my recollection. Maybe he

804
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,960
was on Showtime Extreme or something like that. But anyway,

805
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:02,960
the two main fights, the main event was spectacular bed

806
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,239
dude Jack and James de Gale. James de Gail, for

807
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,440
those who don't remember, was an Olympic gold medal winner

808
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,159
for the UK, you know, for Britain, and was a

809
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:14,039
heck of a heck of a professional before he retired

810
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:16,760
back in twenty nineteen off of a loss to Chris

811
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,320
Yubang Junior. But I think the high mark of his

812
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,840
career in terms of like entertainment value and just you know,

813
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:26,280
an all real, true, first class kind of big time

814
00:38:26,559 --> 00:38:30,199
fight was this unification fight against Badu Jack. Just a great,

815
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,559
great battle. I went back, I knew we're going to

816
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:34,039
talk about this. I went back and looked at my

817
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,400
past Fights of the Year list, and even though I

818
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:37,559
didn't take it as the fight of the year was

819
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:40,039
on like among my upper echelon top, you know, three

820
00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:42,360
four or five fights of that year. Just a great battle.

821
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,400
It was really because it's so early in January, this

822
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,000
was really the first of twenty seventeen. It was like

823
00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:51,000
the first major world title fight of that calendar year.

824
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:53,639
And they really they went at it. Man, it was

825
00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:55,719
a heck of a fight. Bed dude. Jack got knocked

826
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,639
down in the first round. He came back and had

827
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,320
a twelfth round against James de Gale. There was bloodshed

828
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,360
in the fight my recollection as James de gal had

829
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,639
one of his teeth knocked out in the fight. I mean,

830
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:11,119
it was a really rough, rough, rough, tough fight, and

831
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:13,960
both guys fought their hearts out and in the end

832
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:17,880
you had two judges score or I take that back,

833
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,039
one judge scoring about one fourteen, one to twelve in

834
00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:24,000
favor of the Gale, but the two other judges scoring

835
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,719
the fight one thirteen to one thirteen. And I went

836
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,719
back and I looked up my original article from my

837
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,000
ringside story. I also scored the fight one fourteen to

838
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:35,119
one twelve in favor of the Gale. Who, by the way,

839
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,639
when I say got knocked down in the twelfth round,

840
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,960
barely survived the twelfth round. I mean he survived the

841
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,039
twelfth round, kind of like Tyson Theory survived the ninth

842
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:46,519
round against Usig. He was on the verge of being

843
00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:50,719
stopped without question. And both of them retained their titles.

844
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,360
They were both making their third title defenses against each other,

845
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,639
so they were both in a similar spot in terms

846
00:39:56,679 --> 00:39:59,599
of their championship. Brain bedue Jack actually was his second

847
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,719
draw in a row. He had a draw in his

848
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,559
previous fight as well. Uh, but you know, a very

849
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:09,199
memorable fight. Barclay Center when it was hosting fights all

850
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,239
the time, I felt like I was making a trip

851
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,440
to Brooklyn for fights like every other month practically they

852
00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:16,719
did in the in the cards were pretty deep also,

853
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:18,880
And so you mentioned about the other fight. This was

854
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,239
back when Tank Davis was still a very young fighter,

855
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,400
and in fact, when he defeated by knockout the then

856
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:30,360
undefeated Jose Right, who was an Olympian who was undefeated.

857
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,679
Now and now, most people look at Madraza today, you know,

858
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,960
he's just a good name. He's kind of a journeyman.

859
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,559
But back then, you know, he would have like I said,

860
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:39,280
he'd been in the Olympics. He was a bona fide

861
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,760
uh you know, top guy at one hundred and thirty pounds.

862
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,199
He was undefeated and he'd been rolling through everybody, and

863
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,239
Tank uh just completely annihilated him, basically dropped him and

864
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,199
stopped him and really opened a lot of eyes. I

865
00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:54,599
think people the Tank was considered like a top prospect,

866
00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:56,880
but he hadn't really been tested at that point. He

867
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,239
hadn't really fought anybody like super top notch, I mean

868
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,480
a couple of like good, like middling contender types. But

869
00:41:03,639 --> 00:41:06,320
he went through him, dropped him in the seventh round,

870
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,239
stopped him in the seventh round, and looked outstanding and

871
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,920
won the IBF title at one hundred and thirty pounds.

872
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,159
It was the first of the various belts that Tank

873
00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:15,800
has won in his career. In fact, there are some

874
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,400
people who might still look in terms of not necessarily commercially,

875
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,719
but the stakes in terms of where he was in

876
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,559
his career and the type of a pony was fighting,

877
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,880
that this might be the still the most significant fight

878
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,760
of his career. I mean, obviously Ryan Garcia was a

879
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,960
bigger fight commercially, but in terms of the danger posed

880
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,400
by the opponent that he was fighting a top guy

881
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,519
in his prime when they fought, and a lot you know,

882
00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:41,880
Tank's been accused of fighting maybe some lesser guy, maybe

883
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,320
some guys with good names that were you know, much smaller,

884
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,480
like a Leo Santa Cruz for example. But this was

885
00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:49,480
a really good win for Tank Davis and when he

886
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:51,760
won this fight, and again this is a lot. This

887
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,320
is back in twenty seventeen. At that time, by winning

888
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,840
the fight, he was at that moment in boxing, the

889
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,280
youngest active world titlelder in this he was twenty two

890
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,039
years old at the time when he won this bout.

891
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,079
So that was a terrific showtime card with that kind

892
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:08,719
of matchup in the main event. That was just a

893
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,320
very memorable fight. And it's it does you know, it's

894
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,000
one of the sometimes you see these fights when they

895
00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:15,760
unfold and everybody raves about him. They get on all

896
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,320
the lists and they're in the end of the year

897
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,760
type of fight of the Year candidates, and you know,

898
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,199
people love the matchups and it fades because other obviously,

899
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:24,719
you know, the next year goes by and maybe it

900
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,280
wasn't the winner of the fight of the year. But

901
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,280
don't make any mistake. This fight between the Gail you

902
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,760
know and and Bad ju Jack is a legit, superb fight.

903
00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:37,440
If you never saw it, you can find it on YouTube.

904
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:39,960
Definitely go check it out because it is a It

905
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,639
would be a fight of the Year contender in any

906
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:42,639
year period.

907
00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:47,119
Speaker 1: All Right, two more notes here on the nostalgia Again,

908
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:50,039
that was eight years ago Tuesday, on the fourteenth, George Foreman,

909
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,000
they do George Happy Birthday. Big George turns seventy six

910
00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:59,039
on Friday and also forever linked on his on his birthday.

911
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,719
Roundabout Joe Fraser, who would have been eighty one on Sunday,

912
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:10,079
the epic Forever Howard Cosell screaming down Goes Fraser, Down,

913
00:43:10,119 --> 00:43:13,840
Goes Fraser, Forever linked Joe, George Foreman and Joe Fraser.

914
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,760
A lot of people don't remember they fought again. Actually

915
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,119
a few years later after the lost to Ali and

916
00:43:20,199 --> 00:43:24,920
Foreman in uh in the Islanders Hockey Arena in Uniondale,

917
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,239
Long Island, New York, knocked out Joe Fraser again in

918
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,000
the rematch. But those two are forever linked as great

919
00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:34,519
heavyweights for sure. With birthdays this weekend. What else do

920
00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:36,039
we want to say about that?

921
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 2: That's the you're talking about the Nassau Coliseum.

922
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 1: I was from Nassau County Coliseum. That would have like

923
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:45,960
Islanders hockey, WWF wrestling, and maybe something else the circus,

924
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,400
and then it had the Foreman Fraser rematch. Belave.

925
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 2: It hosted its share of boxing events, I mean on

926
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,000
the in like just as one example, Mike Tyson fought

927
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:57,119
there very early in his career. You know, Danny Jacobs

928
00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:59,920
fought there back a few years ago in a televised fight.

929
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:02,119
I think it was a middleweight title fight anyway. But

930
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,639
when Fraser and Foreman did their thing, you know, the

931
00:44:04,679 --> 00:44:07,400
first fight, of course is their memorable one because George

932
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,239
Foreman just stomped them out in two rounds. And as

933
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,400
you mentioned the famous call for Howard Cossel when George,

934
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,320
you know, this was a WBC heavyweight championship, it was

935
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,639
like a super big deal. When they met in the rematch,

936
00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:22,480
Fraser was much more close to the end of his career,

937
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,760
but yet he still lasted into the fifth round in

938
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,880
the rematch. And remember the thing about that that was

939
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,039
so memorable is that he comes into the ring. He

940
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:32,159
was wearing that the you know, had the jacket on

941
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,039
with the hood up and when he pulled the hood down,

942
00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:35,880
it showed that he had a bald head like chid.

943
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:39,119
Fraser had shaved his head, and it was like a

944
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:40,639
big shock to a lot of people. I'm right. Howard

945
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:43,039
Cosell calling that fight also was sort of like surprised

946
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:47,159
by the bald look. That actually was Joe Fraser his

947
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,199
second to last fight of his career. This is the

948
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,280
second fight was in June of seventy six. Joe basically retired.

949
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,119
He came back and had one more fight that he

950
00:44:55,159 --> 00:44:57,880
fought to a draw in nineteen eighty at the end

951
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,760
of nineteen eighty one. But yeah, Foreman and Fraser, you know,

952
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,440
they're two fights together, they are that linked them. And

953
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,519
of course the third, uh, the third of that of

954
00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:09,639
that threesome of the greats was obviously Muhammad Ali, who

955
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,320
obviously knocked out George Foreman, but uh went two and

956
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,880
one against Joe Fraser lost the biggest fight maybe in

957
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,360
the twentieth century in terms of attention, the first fight

958
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,480
between them undefeated when they met each other, Fraser holding

959
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,559
the belts, Ali still being the lineal champion. But uh,

960
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:30,840
you know they're two they are still you know even

961
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,840
today if you talk to people who are the greatest

962
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,000
headweights of all time. You almost you know obviously mentioned

963
00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:38,599
Ali first, but when you start going down the list,

964
00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:40,960
like it's always you know, Fraser Foreman Forman and Fraser,

965
00:45:41,079 --> 00:45:45,000
Like you can't possibly like say their names without saying

966
00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:48,239
the others. And you know obviously with Ali also they

967
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:49,920
needed each other to make each other.

968
00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: I love forever intertwined. For sure, they are forever intertwined Forman,

969
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:57,039
Fraser and Ali.

970
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,679
Speaker 2: And here's the thing, like we've spent not we when

971
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:02,960
the just mean we collectively as a society has spent

972
00:46:03,039 --> 00:46:06,280
a lot of time on the bad things that happened

973
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,559
between Ali and Fraser. You know, they had that, you know,

974
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,920
sometimes very difficult relationship, and there was a lot of

975
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,239
bad feelings between them at times, particularly Joe about some

976
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,800
of the things that he perceived that Ali had done

977
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,960
him wrong by the one thing though unless somebody can

978
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,280
prove me otherwise, Like you never heard about harsh words

979
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,280
or bad feelings or bad blood or anything between George

980
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:31,880
and Fraser. Not to say they were like best friends,

981
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,960
but they had an affection for each other. Certainly George

982
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,079
did for Joe. I've heard George talk about it. I've

983
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:42,119
talked to George about it personally in the past, never

984
00:46:42,159 --> 00:46:44,480
had that type of conversation with Fraser. But I'm just saying,

985
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:48,239
you know, there's a litany of things you could read

986
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:53,159
and watch about the difficult relationship between Ali and Fraser.

987
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,920
You won't find that about the similar things between Ali

988
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,719
and Foreman. They had a much more respectful and I

989
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,719
guess I can't stay closer because there was an element

990
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,239
of closeness between Ali and Fraser, even if there was

991
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,239
some bad feelings. But look like you can't stay one

992
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:09,639
with that the other. There are a few years apart

993
00:47:09,679 --> 00:47:11,360
in age, but the birthdays are within a couple days

994
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,000
of each other. And they're just two of the greats

995
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,239
of all time, and I could. I love sitting and

996
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,079
talking about George Foreman and Joe Fraser, their fighter unforgettable.

997
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: Any mention of the nineteen seventies is going to have

998
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:24,360
to have one of these three names in it. In

999
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,119
the heavyweight division, I mean the greatest obviously, but the

1000
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:30,480
fact that Fraser beat him and handed him his first

1001
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:34,559
loss intertwines them forever. And the fact we cannot convey

1002
00:47:34,679 --> 00:47:38,719
enough how massive the fight was, even in Africa, even

1003
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,519
on late night in the US in movie theaters, et cetera, worldwide.

1004
00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:45,599
And Ali won that fight. But then Foreman went to

1005
00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:48,920
have a second chapter of his career. And whatever you

1006
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,840
want to believe about the Michael Moore fight, it's legit.

1007
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,159
It's a legit knockout. He was. Again, Well, I'm just

1008
00:47:56,199 --> 00:47:58,239
saying a lot of people look back on that and

1009
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,039
say that, you know, it was a lucky paunch. Michael

1010
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:03,400
Moore said that so many times he won, he won

1011
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,159
the heavyweight title. That was the oldest heavyweight champion ever,

1012
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:07,199
George Foreman.

1013
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 2: So listen, the greatest, the greatest thing about about Foreman

1014
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,000
and winning that title back I m Moore two things.

1015
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:17,960
One he was it was almost twenty years to the

1016
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:20,599
day since he lost the title to Ali and Zaire.

1017
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:23,880
And two he was wearing the same trunks ye in

1018
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,800
the ring that night that he had worn in the

1019
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,960
ring against Ali in Zaire twenty years earlier. So that

1020
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:33,039
was an extraordinary accomplishment. And George is remembered by you know,

1021
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:37,920
two different generations, basically fans like I remember as a

1022
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:41,599
small kid knowing about Foreman and maybe catching a little

1023
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:44,000
bit here and there on like an ABC wide world

1024
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,199
of sports, but I didn't really know him know him

1025
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:48,800
at that time. It was when he made the comeback

1026
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,320
when I'm basically, you know, in college and an adult,

1027
00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:53,800
when he's you know, on the comeback trail and had

1028
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,119
you know, he got the opportunity against Evander Holyfield, he

1029
00:48:57,519 --> 00:49:00,199
knocked out well. Actually, the anniversary of this knockout is

1030
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:03,960
actually this weekend also, which was the first time that

1031
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,239
people started to really take him seriously. During this comeback. Remember,

1032
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,199
he had exited retirement after about ten years, and it

1033
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,639
wasn't because he suddenly had an epiphany that I can

1034
00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:14,480
be heavyweight CHAMPI of the world again. It was an

1035
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:17,119
epiphany that I am in need of money, and he

1036
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,880
was doing it to make to put money in the

1037
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,519
bank and also to help his church. But he had

1038
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:24,360
a lot of fights before anybody really believed that he

1039
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,800
was matched with a whole series of absolute freaking stiffs.

1040
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:32,400
But on January fifteenth, nineteen ninety, so the anniversary of

1041
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,880
that would be coming up this coming Wednesday. It was

1042
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,360
when he was matched up with my good pal Jerry Cooney,

1043
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,039
and he walked through Jerry Cooney, who was obviously not

1044
00:49:41,079 --> 00:49:43,719
what he once was, but was still a dangerous puncher

1045
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,039
and the first sort of opponent that people said was

1046
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:50,480
credible for George to fight on the comeback trail. And

1047
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:52,920
they did a pay per view fight at the Convention Center,

1048
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,400
Atlantic City. It was a big deal, a showtime pay

1049
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,559
per view back then set pay perview, and he walked

1050
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:00,679
through Jerry Cooney in two rounds. It's one of the

1051
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,000
most aesthetically pleasing knockouts. And I hate to say that

1052
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:06,239
because Jerry is a wonderful guy and I've gotten to

1053
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,800
know Jerry pretty well over the last number of years.

1054
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,880
I call it's the drive by uppercut, right. He walked

1055
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,880
to him with the uppercut and then came over the

1056
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,039
top and just absolutely obliterated him. That's another one. You

1057
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:21,000
can find the clip of on a YouTuber.

1058
00:50:20,679 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: That's nostalgia on top of your nostalgia And I pop

1059
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,280
quiz you because we've talked about this before. Where did

1060
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,920
Foreman get that little shuffle step and then come back

1061
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,400
with the uppercut from Do you Remember Mighty One?

1062
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,119
Speaker 2: I don't remember what you're in, say Jersey.

1063
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:40,639
Speaker 1: Joe Walcott famously blasted Ezra Charles to win the heavyweight

1064
00:50:40,679 --> 00:50:44,559
title the same way, faking to the left and coming

1065
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,440
back with a left uppercut when the opponent kind of

1066
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,079
stepped out of the way. And that's the same thing

1067
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,079
Foreman replicated with the knockout of Jerry Cooney, and I

1068
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:57,440
do not want to accept that's thirty five years ago Wednesday.

1069
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 2: The amazing thing, though, is of all the as closely

1070
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,920
associated as they always will be, between Foreman and Fraser

1071
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,360
as well as Ellie, the fact that George was retired

1072
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,840
for that length of time. I mean, guys, coming out

1073
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,639
of retirement in boxing is no different than the sun

1074
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:15,440
coming up in the morning and setting in the evening.

1075
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:17,360
That is a common thing for a guy to be

1076
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,679
retired a year, two, maybe three, four or whatever and

1077
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,960
fight again. But the fact that not only did he

1078
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:28,280
fight again after ten years, but was good, still could

1079
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,320
still get the job done, was still a big puncher,

1080
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,639
still had success or regained the heavyweight championship, and even

1081
00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:39,000
in his loss, even in his loss against Evander Holyfield,

1082
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,480
which was a few fights after the Coony fight, he

1083
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:44,559
had the Battle of the Ages, the first ever modern

1084
00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:46,800
pay per view fight that most people watched in their

1085
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,599
home instead of going to a theater where you could

1086
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:52,320
actually just order on your cable box. That was the

1087
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:57,480
birth of TVKO, which became HBO pay per view. He

1088
00:51:57,519 --> 00:52:00,480
competed in the fight, Yeah he lost, almost like a

1089
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:03,199
rocky thing where yeah, he was the underdog and he lost.

1090
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,480
He's the one that kind of won the event because

1091
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:07,239
people had so much respect for what he did. And

1092
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,639
by the way, TJ. George Foreman against the Vander Holyfield

1093
00:52:10,639 --> 00:52:13,239
for in their heavyweight championship fight, he is probably one

1094
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:17,039
of the most ridiculously underrated, exciting action fights. That was

1095
00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:19,639
a great battle. And even after he lost that fight,

1096
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,960
George didn't hang it up. He went and he fought

1097
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:24,639
three more fights and got wins. And then he fought

1098
00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:27,519
Tommy Morrison. Now that was for the WBO belt in

1099
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:30,440
nineteen ninety three when the WBO belt was still not

1100
00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:34,239
considered anything significant, but Tommy Morrison was a significant opponent

1101
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,199
and he lost that fight too, and then coming off

1102
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,599
of that loss again he went to distance. Wasn't all

1103
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:46,000
that competitive. He basically pleaded with the then HBO President

1104
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,800
of Sports Seth Abraham to give him the shot at

1105
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,519
Michael Moore to agree to televise and pay for the fight.

1106
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,280
Now that fight with Tommy was in June of ninety three.

1107
00:52:56,639 --> 00:52:59,440
So now fast forward to November of ninety four, almost

1108
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,559
a year and a half later, George came back. So

1109
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:03,039
he'd been out of the ring for a long time.

1110
00:53:03,159 --> 00:53:05,280
But set de Abraham, who is now in the International

1111
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,440
Boxing Hall of Fame where he belongs. It took him

1112
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:08,840
a while to get there, but he should have been

1113
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,639
in on the first ballot. Seth was a person that

1114
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:17,440
understood showbiz and and what the fans wanted, and he

1115
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:21,440
greenlit that fight. And guess what, George Foreman, almost twenty

1116
00:53:21,519 --> 00:53:24,159
years of the day after zayre regained the heavyweight title

1117
00:53:24,159 --> 00:53:27,239
against Michael Moore, and one of the most extraordinary things

1118
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,760
in the history of sports. I've told the story. I

1119
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,639
was still living at my mom's house. I'm I'm just

1120
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,599
out of college, you know, I've been, you know, maybe

1121
00:53:34,599 --> 00:53:36,559
a year year or so out of college. I'm in

1122
00:53:36,599 --> 00:53:39,599
my first jobs as a journalist. But I'm home on

1123
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,960
Saturday night. I'm watching the fight alone in my bedroom.

1124
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,639
My mom is asleep, my sister is asleep. Foreman wins

1125
00:53:46,639 --> 00:53:49,239
the title. I go fucking bonkers and I make all

1126
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,320
kinds of crazy noises, and my mom and my sister

1127
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,400
come out and what the hell is going on? And

1128
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:54,119
I was like trying to.

1129
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: Almost got your selfie young George film.

1130
00:53:57,559 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: The heavyweight title. My mom and my sister couldn't given

1131
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:02,239
shit whatsoever. I just got the stink guy from both

1132
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:03,280
of them, and they went back to bed.

1133
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,119
Speaker 1: They were just glad that you weren't, you know, somehow

1134
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:09,679
in danger. Uh listen, great.

1135
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,079
Speaker 2: One more thing, by the way, Yes, after he won

1136
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:14,360
that heavyweight title fight, you know, he never defended it

1137
00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:16,360
because he got stripped to the belts because he wasn't

1138
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,119
interested to do mandatories, et cetera. So he fought you know,

1139
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,920
a series of like you know, Okay Axel, Schultz, Crawford,

1140
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,519
Grimly Loose Savay's. He won those fights, and then when

1141
00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:28,719
he fought Shannon Briggs, who was considered a dangerous opponent,

1142
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,679
George lost by a majority of decision in a horrible robbery.

1143
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,280
He should have the win over Briggs and and he

1144
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,920
retired off of that fight, but he was still going

1145
00:54:38,159 --> 00:54:40,880
strong in one sense at that point. The only the

1146
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,639
only positive thing about Briggs getting the absolute gift decision

1147
00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:47,960
was it allowed him to take over the lineage. And

1148
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,480
then Lennox Lewis knocked him the fuck out and was

1149
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,360
able to not have the lineage get broken.

1150
00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: One more note, Big George with his comeback and all

1151
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:01,159
those fights had eighty one pro fights. Ali had sixty

1152
00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:03,880
one pro fights, and I believe it's correct. Joe Fraser

1153
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,679
had what forty one thirty six four and one? Am

1154
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,360
I right on that? So Fraser can to fight? Or

1155
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,760
thirty two four and one? I'm sorry, So he had

1156
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,039
thirty seven pro fights only, so Ali heid right out

1157
00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:17,679
sixty Forman had like right at eighty.

1158
00:55:18,159 --> 00:55:23,199
Speaker 2: So Joe Fraser, though, was in a much more. He

1159
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,800
got hit a lot more and he didn't have nearly

1160
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,039
the chin that alleys.

1161
00:55:26,639 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: It was blind. He was blind in one eye and

1162
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,320
they were hiding it. They were hiding it throughout the

1163
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,559
seventies that his vision was getting worse and worse and

1164
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:33,880
basically blind in one eye.

1165
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 2: Well, it's not so much about the number of fights,

1166
00:55:36,039 --> 00:55:38,920
it's about the number of rounds. Sure, So Big Joe

1167
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,159
Fraser finishes.

1168
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,159
Speaker 1: Brutal rounds by the way, Well, yeah.

1169
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 2: He finished his record his career thirty two four and one,

1170
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,719
but in two hundred and twelve rounds. So two hundred

1171
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,000
and twelve rounds is really you know, in the pantheon

1172
00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:52,880
of top all time fighters and heavyweights especially not that

1173
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,360
big of a deal. George Foreman, as you mentioned, finished

1174
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,000
seventy six and five. He had three hundred and forty

1175
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:01,519
nine rounds. That's quite a more obviously. And then if

1176
00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:03,280
you take a look at what happened in terms of

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00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,800
with Muhammad Ali, who obviously you know, fought well passed

1178
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,719
when he probably should have been fighting as well. He

1179
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,960
finished his career fifty six and five. He had five

1180
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:15,400
hundred and forty eight rounds. So it shows you the

1181
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:16,800
difference between those those guys.

1182
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:21,079
Speaker 1: All right, one more thing I teased this is it today?

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00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,760
It's today, that's the anniversary the first or is it Monday?

1184
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:30,960
The first airing of one of Rayfhael's phaves, the drama Dynasty,

1185
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:37,280
John Forsyth, because it's nostalgia and I'm going somewhere, let

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00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,199
me get there, Okay, Okay Forsyth, Linda Evans, Joan Collins

1187
00:56:41,199 --> 00:56:43,239
for the audience. It's older. For those of you that

1188
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,599
are gen Zer's millennials, you got no idea what' talk about?

1189
00:56:46,599 --> 00:56:50,000
Were talking about a d TV so dynasty, nighttime TV drama.

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00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:53,480
This again, is no Internet. You basically got three choices

1191
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:59,760
besides PBS showing Masterpiece Theater, you got three choices on TV, ABC, NBC, CBS.

1192
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,119
So you had Dynasty. You were big into Dallas with

1193
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,440
Larry Hagman and all the other as, Charlene Tilton Wright

1194
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,840
and all the other actors, Victory, your girl, Victoria principal

1195
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,360
Linda Gray. Why is all of that coming back to

1196
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,719
me all of a sudden? Anyway, Dallas, you had Dynasty,

1197
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:24,840
you had Falcon Crest, right, I was bigger. Forget about

1198
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,480
all of the dramas of the rich and the who's

1199
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,599
sleeping with who? And who has whose baby? And who's

1200
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:32,360
stealing who's money? What about Hill Street Blues, the cop

1201
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,119
show in the early eighties, the.

1202
00:57:36,679 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 2: Great show, Yes, one of my one of my dad's

1203
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,840
favorite shows. I didn't watch that because it was on

1204
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,639
opposite not Landing, and you'd.

1205
00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: Have wait, you just went down five points in my

1206
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:52,199
book that you put aside Hill Street Blue, Yes, absolutely,

1207
00:57:52,239 --> 00:57:56,079
with Andy and Bobby and Hey be careful out there

1208
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,440
every day that they would begin at the role call.

1209
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,639
You put that cop sho aside for notts Landing. What's

1210
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:03,679
along with you?

1211
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:04,239
Speaker 2: Nothing?

1212
00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: Early teenage Rayfield? I love that and by the way,

1213
00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:10,119
none of those shows can top Miami Vice in the eighties.

1214
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:11,119
Miami Vice.

1215
00:58:11,199 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, you really want to go there.

1216
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: Miami Vice Electric revolutionized TV on Friday night, revolutionized team

1217
00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:20,960
with music soundtracks too.

1218
00:58:21,039 --> 00:58:24,039
Speaker 2: Got no issue with Miami Vice. Cool show, No, not

1219
00:58:24,199 --> 00:58:24,719
in any way.

1220
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: Tell me you're gonna take Dynasty or Falcon Falcon Crest

1221
00:58:28,639 --> 00:58:29,519
for Miami Vice.

1222
00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:32,719
Speaker 2: Come on, those are on different nights. Dynasty largely was

1223
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,760
on Wednesday night, not sunthing was on Thursday night. Dallas

1224
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,480
was on Friday night. Now, if you remember at the beginning,

1225
00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:40,840
I believe this was at the beginning of the nineteen

1226
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:47,519
eighty six eighty seven television season, Dallas uh was they

1227
00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:49,800
were on at separate times on Friday night, Miami Vice

1228
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,519
and Dallas. Then they then I forget which moved it,

1229
00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:55,519
if CBS moved Dallas to a new time or NBC

1230
00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:57,599
moved Miami Vice to a new time, But the bottom

1231
00:58:57,599 --> 00:59:00,199
line was it set up Miami Vice to be on

1232
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,760
at the same time as Dallas. Now, this is pre

1233
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,199
d VR day, so it wasn't It was not easy

1234
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:10,039
to time shift your television programming. But in the end,

1235
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:13,519
Dallas kicked Miami Vice's were end is my recollection in

1236
00:59:13,559 --> 00:59:16,719
the Nielsen ratings, and I was definitely on.

1237
00:59:16,719 --> 00:59:19,239
Speaker 1: Well, Miami Vice by eighty six or eighty seven, the

1238
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,320
meteor had now cold.

1239
00:59:21,639 --> 00:59:22,039
Speaker 2: Dallas.

1240
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: Yes, because Miami Vice in the in the eighty four

1241
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:31,280
eighty five range was arguably the hottest show on television

1242
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:36,480
and it was Friday night. NBC stumbled on, suddenly we

1243
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:38,760
got something on Friday night that people will stay home

1244
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,719
and watch and not go out. All right, So I

1245
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,599
just thought I would share all of it. But Dallas,

1246
00:59:44,639 --> 00:59:46,599
how long did it take you to figure out?

1247
00:59:46,719 --> 00:59:48,719
Speaker 2: Dallas, Dallas beat Miami Vice head to head.

1248
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: I understand at the end, at the end, it wasn't

1249
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,360
It wasn't beaten Miami Vice.

1250
00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 2: In the day. You're wrong about that?

1251
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,679
Speaker 1: Are you talking about in the eighty four and eighty

1252
00:59:57,719 --> 01:00:01,320
five television seasons range? Well, no, I'm talking about did

1253
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,800
it have better audience? Because I believe Miami Voice had

1254
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,960
had better audience on Fundy Night than anything else like

1255
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,079
in eighty five, eighty four, eighty five. You gotta look

1256
01:00:08,119 --> 01:00:10,519
that up. You gotta get back to me on that. Well,

1257
01:00:10,599 --> 01:00:13,920
I have one more note, At what point did you figure.

1258
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 2: Out I'm looking on Google as we're talking.

1259
01:00:17,559 --> 01:00:18,199
Speaker 1: For what it's worth.

1260
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:22,159
Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty four, Dallas generally had significantly higher ratings

1261
01:00:22,199 --> 01:00:23,440
compared to Miami.

1262
01:00:23,159 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: Vice nineteen eighty five.

1263
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,199
Speaker 2: Dude, the whole crime period, Dallas always was one of

1264
01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:31,039
the top rated shows when they were on at the

1265
01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:33,039
same time, coming when they went head to head. Did

1266
01:00:33,039 --> 01:00:34,760
they at what.

1267
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,639
Speaker 1: Point, don't don't disparage Crockett and Tubs right now, I'm

1268
01:00:38,639 --> 01:00:41,320
gonna come back at you. At what point did you

1269
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:45,519
figure out that John Forsyth from Dynasty was the voice

1270
01:00:45,519 --> 01:00:47,400
in the box Charlie from Charlie's Angels.

1271
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 2: So I always knew that, No, you didn't a little kid.

1272
01:00:51,199 --> 01:00:51,800
Were knew the.

1273
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: Kid when that was going on, when Charlie's Angels was

1274
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:54,719
going on.

1275
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:56,239
Speaker 2: But I used to read stuff in the paper.

1276
01:00:57,559 --> 01:00:59,079
Speaker 1: They didn't reveal that in the paper.

1277
01:00:59,199 --> 01:01:00,599
Speaker 2: Of course they did. They knew, We knew, did the

1278
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:02,840
voice with John forsythe come.

1279
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: On okay, hello Charlie? And then suddenly you see the

1280
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,880
guy talking on on TV on Dynasty.

1281
01:01:10,199 --> 01:01:12,599
Speaker 2: By the way, in nineteen eighty five, nineteen eighty six,

1282
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:15,280
I'm looking at the ratings, okay, please. In the final

1283
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,199
ratings of nineteen eighty five nineteen eighty six, the Cosby

1284
01:01:19,199 --> 01:01:22,000
Show was number one. Family. This was back when NBC

1285
01:01:22,159 --> 01:01:24,760
was dominant in terms of Thursday Night. So you had

1286
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,719
Cosby one and Family Ties too. You had the CBS

1287
01:01:27,719 --> 01:01:31,639
program Murder, she wrote, You had obviously the the the.

1288
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: NFL football lead in right on Sunday nights.

1289
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, the legendary news program sixty minutes, followed by Cheers,

1290
01:01:36,679 --> 01:01:39,719
which was also on Thursday Night at NBC. Then came Dallas,

1291
01:01:40,199 --> 01:01:44,679
then came Dynasty, then came Golden Girls, then came Miami Vice.

1292
01:01:45,079 --> 01:01:46,199
That was eighty five eighty.

1293
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:49,599
Speaker 1: Mia Advice being beaten by Dynasty, Are you kidding me?

1294
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 2: And by freaking the Golden Girls.

1295
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: For christ, Golden Girls is classic TV, though, especially when

1296
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,039
they had all the sexual innu window.

1297
01:01:57,199 --> 01:01:59,559
Speaker 2: Okay, so now let's look at I'm looking at eighty

1298
01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:03,400
four eighty five final ratings for the season. Number one, Dynasty,

1299
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,639
number two, Dallas number three, The Cosby Show, Dude, you

1300
01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:10,760
Gotta go. Miami Vice is not even in the top

1301
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:17,440
twenty in that year, but vote your show. Hellsheet B

1302
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:18,559
loses number thirty that year.

1303
01:02:19,239 --> 01:02:22,519
Speaker 1: All right, we covered it with the TV nostalgia and

1304
01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:24,840
even the voice of Charlie from Charlie's Angels.

1305
01:02:25,159 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 2: Listen, here's the bottom line is the it is the

1306
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,679
anniversary of the first episode of Dynasty. It is a classic,

1307
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:31,800
legendary show.

1308
01:02:32,039 --> 01:02:35,599
Speaker 1: I think I watched two episodes of that ever Everna.

1309
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 2: That's I suggest that you start watching it. Why because it.

1310
01:02:39,719 --> 01:02:41,519
Speaker 1: Was so much more in my life right now than

1311
01:02:41,559 --> 01:02:44,199
to go back to watch Charlie from Charlie's Angels running

1312
01:02:44,239 --> 01:02:45,960
around with Joan Collins or.

1313
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,719
Speaker 2: Well, he wasn't even on for the first two seasons.

1314
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:49,760
I don't think of the first season.

1315
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: The fact that you know that without looking at it,

1316
01:02:52,679 --> 01:02:55,519
I just I shake my head with that. We have

1317
01:02:55,599 --> 01:02:58,920
put to bed yet another pod, some recap of the

1318
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:03,920
British fight card, the the Boxer Promotions card as some news,

1319
01:03:04,039 --> 01:03:08,280
some nostalgia. I dare say, we don't really have a

1320
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,559
big time main event again this weekend. I put it

1321
01:03:10,599 --> 01:03:13,320
out there once again. It is a swing and a

1322
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:17,360
miss for the likes of Golden Boy, top Rank, PBC,

1323
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:21,079
somebody that didn't have a significant I'm not saying pay

1324
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:24,079
per view fight in the month here of January on

1325
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:27,360
one of these weekends where nothing else is and a

1326
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:31,079
year ago there were a year ago. Haimimongia fought at

1327
01:03:31,079 --> 01:03:33,079
the end of the month a year ago. Better bv's

1328
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:37,239
light heavyweight title defense by top rank was in January.

1329
01:03:37,559 --> 01:03:39,599
It's a swing and a miss, but we'll come up

1330
01:03:39,639 --> 01:03:42,639
with something creatively later on this week as we head

1331
01:03:42,679 --> 01:03:44,519
towards the weekend, and then eventually we get a Naoya

1332
01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:46,079
in a Way title fight coming in a couple of

1333
01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:49,400
weeks as well. My friend, have a good week. Appreciate

1334
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,239
it as always, Dan Rayphiel.

1335
01:03:51,239 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 2: Washington Dynasty on YouTube.

1336
01:03:53,079 --> 01:03:55,679
Speaker 1: I don't know you can bet on certain things in life.

1337
01:03:55,679 --> 01:03:58,159
I wouldn't bet on me doing that between now and

1338
01:03:58,199 --> 01:03:59,880
the next time we're talking. By the way we have,

1339
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,159
I've done this pod in advance of my Buccaneers playoff

1340
01:04:03,159 --> 01:04:05,119
game with the Washington Commander, so you will know how

1341
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:07,079
my Sunday night and my Monday is going by virtue

1342
01:04:07,079 --> 01:04:10,880
of that NFL playoff game. We love playoff checks Rayfield.

1343
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,800
We want this to continue. Let's see if it does

1344
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,360
here in the football world. With that, have a good week,

1345
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:21,119
my friend. Thank you there is Dan Rayfield. I'm merely

1346
01:04:21,199 --> 01:04:25,480
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1347
01:04:25,519 --> 01:04:29,119
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1348
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:31,719
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