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Speaker 4: It's Saturday, August first, twenty twenty six. I'm Joel Danel
Speaker 4: alongside my co host here, Greg Canner, and this is
Speaker 4: the all Elite Conversation Club podcast for PW torch dot com.
Speaker 3: Good morning, Joel, coming to you from beautiful Saugatuck, Michigan,
Speaker 3: Western side of Michigan, taking a little nice weekend. My
Speaker 3: wife was generous enough to allow me some time to
Speaker 3: talk to you, which is nice because this is this
Speaker 3: is a special place. It's a place where I have
Speaker 3: Saugatuck rules And I know, you know, you may not
Speaker 3: care about it, but I at least got to say
Speaker 3: this is this what helps the marriages like you know,
Speaker 3: stay like longer. Since you're nicely and newly married, is
Speaker 3: that Saga Tuck rules are she goes into any store
Speaker 3: she wants, she takes as long as she wants. I
Speaker 3: put in the air pods, I listen to something. I
Speaker 3: don't complain. I don't. I'm not impatient, and it's it's nice.
Speaker 3: It helps. So so I'm glad to be with you
Speaker 3: though this morning.
Speaker 4: You're good man, Greg Canner, and even better husband. Well see,
Speaker 4: I have the privilege of being able to see also
Speaker 4: see your camera here, so I get to see you
Speaker 4: walking around the outside here. I get to see the
Speaker 4: nature of it, and our listeners don't uh don't get
Speaker 4: to see you in the in the cool background scenery.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very nice here, you know, summer's in Michigan.
Speaker 3: In are very nice winters in Michigan and Minnesota as well.
Speaker 3: I know you know is not so nice, but so
Speaker 3: we appreciate this time of year out here for sure.
Speaker 4: Well, Greg, we got you and I both have very
Speaker 4: busy weekends with you just mentioning what you got going on.
Speaker 4: I also have mentioned I got the Summer Slam, all
Speaker 4: that stuff that's going on today, yesterday, today, tomorrow. So
Speaker 4: let's before we get into the main entre of what
Speaker 4: everybody wants to hear about which was your in person
Speaker 4: experience at Dynamite, which I think most people have said
Speaker 4: is one of the best Dynamites they've ever done. Let's
Speaker 4: quick just look back at the pay per view redemption
Speaker 4: from last Sunday and just kind of get the overall
Speaker 4: thoughts of things. There's a lot of good matches on there.
Speaker 4: I think kind of the general consensus of things, and
Speaker 4: you can tell me if you agree or disagree, is that,
Speaker 4: while although a very good pay per view, you know,
Speaker 4: probably not the best of twenty twenty six, But that's
Speaker 4: not really saying much. That's not much of a knock
Speaker 4: onto aw onto this pay per view because the other
Speaker 4: ones have been just so great. But I think also
Speaker 4: the main focus here is we had a title change
Speaker 4: where Willow Was took the Women's World Championship, and you'll
Speaker 4: talk about that celebration that happened on Dynamite, but most
Speaker 4: importantly is the stuff that happened in the world title match,
Speaker 4: where Kenny Omega defeated Kevin Knights to retain the World
Speaker 4: Championship as expected. But then we had the postmatch angle
Speaker 4: there with will Osprey separating himself from the Death Riders
Speaker 4: and also Kenny Omega, I guess getting confused in the moment,
Speaker 4: or you know, being a little more self absorbed now
Speaker 4: that he's gotten to the mountaintop and actually attacking will
Speaker 4: Osprey even though Osprey was trying to save Omega from
Speaker 4: an attack from the Death Riders.
Speaker 5: Indeed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I would sum up that pay per view
Speaker 3: as okay, good, it's funny, like you look at that,
Speaker 3: and there was some great wrestling, there were some storyline movements.
Speaker 3: All in all, it was probably one of my, you know,
Speaker 3: least enjoyable pay per views they've ever done. But when
Speaker 3: I say that, I don't mean I had a bad
Speaker 3: time or regretted to spending the money. It just, you know,
Speaker 3: we talked about it. It was kind of thrown together.
Speaker 3: They had another plan that they you know, had to change,
Speaker 3: and so it kind of just ended up what it was.
Speaker 3: You know. I'm glad I got it. I'm glad I
Speaker 3: watched it. I was so bummed when Willow won, as
Speaker 3: I talked about in previous weeks. You know, well, I'll
Speaker 3: get to how I may have changed my views after Wednesday,
Speaker 3: But but you know, I was not wild about you know,
Speaker 3: Jericho beating Champa in that match, and you know, the
Speaker 3: hardcore match and and all that as well. So some
Speaker 3: of the booking I wasn't thrilled about, so that probably affected,
Speaker 3: you know, my enjoyment of it. But again, it was it,
Speaker 3: you know, it was it was fine. So I was
Speaker 3: a little concerned going into Wednesday, you know, So, but
Speaker 3: I did. I did like the storyline progression at the
Speaker 3: end with you know, Omega taking out Osprey. You know,
Speaker 3: there's so many little callbacks and things that I miss
Speaker 3: but seeing online, like apparently Omega did the exact same
Speaker 3: thing to aj Styles in New Japan back in the day,
Speaker 3: and like in the exact same way. So I, you know,
Speaker 3: AW tries really hard to pay homage or do callbacks
Speaker 3: and all that stuff, and probably fifty percent or less,
Speaker 3: you know, I get and I do a podcast with you,
Speaker 3: so I'm sure a lot of people, you know, more
Speaker 3: people don't get it than do get it. But when
Speaker 3: you do get it, it's kind of like, oh, that's
Speaker 3: kind of cool that they did that throwback. So you know,
Speaker 3: so okay, you know, moving on, and I was a
Speaker 3: little concerned with you know, what I was going to
Speaker 3: see on Wednesday leading up to it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they really front loaded the pay per view coming
Speaker 4: out with that six way ladder match, so Mike Bailey
Speaker 4: gets that homecoming being Montreal winning that number one contender
Speaker 4: ship for the international title, which is going to happen
Speaker 4: next week at Grand Slam Mexico.
Speaker 3: Then you had that Young Bucks Death.
Speaker 4: Riders match, which was very good, kind of had that
Speaker 4: weird spot there with with kind of Nick Jackson and
Speaker 4: Osprey like seemingly kind of bonking heads and but they
Speaker 4: were selling that, but still very very good match. And
Speaker 4: then Kyle Fletcher Bondido just another tremendous way to kick
Speaker 4: off this pay per view.
Speaker 5: Kind of hit the match of the night to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Kyle Fletcher Bandido And that was another one
Speaker 3: where it's like I appreciated all they did and it
Speaker 3: was so great of a match. And then but it's like,
Speaker 3: at some point you want Bandido to win one of these,
Speaker 3: you know, because we kind of you kind of knew,
Speaker 3: you know it. They did a little you know at
Speaker 3: the end to kind of make you think, well maybe,
Speaker 3: but but yeah, for the most part, you kind of
Speaker 3: knew that was predictable as far as the finish was
Speaker 3: going to go. Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 4: The show then kind of hit a lull there with
Speaker 4: the double Chain match. You had the TBS title match
Speaker 4: that wasn't all that great.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I think that the the a W tag team to
Speaker 4: match with Cajun Copeland versus the Death Rice was fine,
Speaker 4: you know, it was it was fine action. I think
Speaker 4: that Jericho and Champa, you know, gave more than they
Speaker 4: had in their previous matches. But you know, they also
Speaker 4: have the stipulation of no holds Barren Jericho doing the Painmakers,
Speaker 4: so he's got to live up to that gimmick.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean they did a lot for our entertainment,
Speaker 3: you know, no doubt. I was just kind of bummed
Speaker 3: about the you know, the the booking in that one. Yeah.
Speaker 4: There's also I want to mention too that there's been
Speaker 4: some reporting to that in the pre show that they
Speaker 4: had an honorary segment for the for the Raugau family,
Speaker 4: and you know, as if you watch the pre show,
Speaker 4: you saw that Jacques Rougeau was booed during that and
Speaker 4: also apparently there's some reporting here I believe it's from
Speaker 4: Wrestling Observer newsletter where Dave Meltzer was saying that I
Speaker 4: guess Jacques Rougeau came to the event with a video
Speaker 4: package that he wanted to have played for this segment,
Speaker 4: and AW ultimately shut it down understandably, so they got
Speaker 4: a They have a whole show that they have booked out,
Speaker 4: so they can't be adding things on the fly into it.
Speaker 4: And I guess that they didn't have rights to some music,
Speaker 4: some footage that there was some AI stuff in there
Speaker 4: as well. It was too long, so Chakhrujo was not
Speaker 4: happy about it. Uh, and then goes out there and
Speaker 4: gets booed because he has a bad reputation within the community.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was reading that.
Speaker 3: I was thinking to myself, Yeah, that that all tracks, man.
Speaker 5: I mean, everything you've.
Speaker 3: Heard about about the Mounty has always been, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: not the best guy.
Speaker 5: And listen, you know, I rights are a big deal.
Speaker 3: You can't just come in with some video that has
Speaker 3: apparently has AI and music, you know, rights that AW
Speaker 3: doesn't have.
Speaker 5: One would have to pay for and.
Speaker 3: You know, you pay a lot more if you run
Speaker 3: it and then you get caught or someone you know
Speaker 3: comes at you. So it's like, yeah, brainer, And apparently
Speaker 3: according to that, he kind of had a meltdown. That's
Speaker 3: like wow, you know, sorry man, but I enjoyed that segment.
Speaker 5: I enjoy it.
Speaker 3: It's again it was another regardless of what happened backstage,
Speaker 3: it was another example of aw honoring legends if you
Speaker 3: want to call them legends, but at least you know
Speaker 3: Montreal legends, and and you know, honoring people from the
Speaker 3: areas that they're visiting that they want to, you know,
Speaker 3: just pay tribute to. And I just love that respect
Speaker 3: for the business.
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Speaker 4: I think what they showed here is that, you know,
Speaker 4: Montreal has all this history of wrestling, but segueing into
Speaker 4: this past Wednesday's Dynamite is that it felt like it
Speaker 4: was a bigger building. Crowd was still engaged. But man, Detroit,
Speaker 4: your your current hometown.
Speaker 3: Is where they need to be having a pay per
Speaker 3: view there.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm assuming you haven't watched the broadcast at
Speaker 4: this point because of time constraints.
Speaker 3: Obviously I watched some of it. I've watched some of
Speaker 3: it a couple of couple of segments because I was curious,
Speaker 3: at least, especially before talking to you, how some of
Speaker 3: it came across, and also some of the commentary, because
Speaker 3: obviously you know we're hearing no commentary we're glancing. We're
Speaker 3: glancing over at one point and seeing a shark dancing
Speaker 3: behind the announced desk and wondering. I all I was
Speaker 3: wondering was what is Tash saying or what is the
Speaker 3: look on his face while this is happening, because I
Speaker 3: you know, it's glorious.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's always well the segue or the little peace
Speaker 4: on that is it's always like, oh, it's shark Week.
Speaker 4: That's that's still a thing, and that happens once a
Speaker 4: year and all of a sudden it just pops up
Speaker 4: out of nowhere and.
Speaker 3: You're like, huh, huh, okay, you know anyway, yes, yes, anyway.
Speaker 4: So they they talked about the crowd and how loud
Speaker 4: and engaged they were throughout the whole night. I mean,
Speaker 4: the commentary team just could not believe how loud they were,
Speaker 4: and it came across in the broadcast and made for
Speaker 4: an excellent environment for it. I mean, that Grant, that
Speaker 4: Masonic temple that's there in Detroit, it just looks really
Speaker 4: good on television because it has some depth to the
Speaker 4: rose too, where some of these smaller buildings just kind
Speaker 4: of either go straight up or there's just not very
Speaker 4: many rows to go back, but there's a lot more depth,
Speaker 4: and so the way that it captures that sound just.
Speaker 3: It looks good. It sounds really good in there.
Speaker 4: And then with all the angles that they had to
Speaker 4: shoot to kick off the road to all in, I
Speaker 4: mean just everything really clicked well. So with that setup,
Speaker 4: I just kind of want you now to kind of
Speaker 4: take the wheel here, Greg as to your experience, anything
Speaker 4: that you want to note from it, and then obviously
Speaker 4: let's get into the major segments on the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 5: So yeah.
Speaker 3: So you know, it was funny because coming off of
Speaker 3: the pay per view and with the MAC which is
Speaker 3: you know, the multiman matches, which I kind of expected
Speaker 3: because usually coming off of a pay per view, you know,
Speaker 3: Tony doesn't know the injury situations with you know, the
Speaker 3: guys that obviously go all out for the pay per views.
Speaker 3: So I knew we were going to get a lot
Speaker 3: of those type of matches. I wasn't sure whether we
Speaker 3: were gonna you know, it says you're gonna hear from
Speaker 3: Kenny Omega. I didn't know, you know, was Osbury gonna
Speaker 3: be there? How are they really gonna you know, forward things? Oh,
Speaker 3: there's a Willow celebration. I was like, great, you know,
Speaker 3: hope someone beats her up. That's like my mentality going
Speaker 3: into it was and nothing, you know, I just I
Speaker 3: was kind of tired of the Willow character, as anyone
Speaker 3: who's listened to our podcast. I was just thinking to myself, Oh,
Speaker 3: I don't want to see her in Mercedes again. And
Speaker 3: all in this was my you know, my thought going in.
Speaker 3: So I already could tell because I went last year,
Speaker 3: same venue, there were six hundred fewer people last year.
Speaker 3: Still a lot of people there end up being like
Speaker 3: twenty nine hundred or something like that last year. And
Speaker 3: we had a great time and it was cool because
Speaker 3: the venue is a lot you know, mostly for concerts
Speaker 3: and things like that. You know, so you're you know,
Speaker 3: you're you're acoustics are good. You know, you're there's no
Speaker 3: bad seat in the house. You know, you're really like
Speaker 3: on top of it, I was second row in the
Speaker 3: balcony and it was perfect.
Speaker 5: You could see perfectly.
Speaker 3: So we're walking to the venue and there's a line,
Speaker 3: you know, to get in and you know, we weren't
Speaker 3: later anything. You're you know, normal like an hour before
Speaker 3: or so, and there's a line that literally went like
Speaker 3: around the corner and three blocks down, which I was like, wow, okay,
Speaker 3: like you know, here the aw's and you know, kind
Speaker 3: of improved. People are more into it now than they
Speaker 3: were last year. This might be a really good crowd.
Speaker 3: So weight line, it moved fine. We were in a
Speaker 3: good half hour before the show started. We're probably a
Speaker 3: little more uh sat down. First thing we got is
Speaker 3: a dark match with Rhino Detroit native. So he out
Speaker 3: and You're like, okay, you know, first I Nick Camarado
Speaker 3: comes out and starts healing on the crowd, very cliche like,
Speaker 3: and then said, you know, I put an rope a
Speaker 3: challenge to anyone from Detroit, and then of course I
Speaker 3: was like, oh I know, and then Gore happens, and
Speaker 3: the crowd that was there which is probably three quarters,
Speaker 3: were in their seats at that point like white nuts,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, okay, you know, this is a dark match.
Speaker 3: Yes it's a local guy, a local legend guy, but
Speaker 3: still you know. Second Matt dark match was a Bang
Speaker 3: Bang Gang tag match against the three Jobbers, So and
Speaker 3: that got a lot of like guns up chance and
Speaker 3: all this stuff and thinking okay, okay, and then when
Speaker 3: the show started you it was you know, I said,
Speaker 3: you know, Wade mentioned it multiple times because they wrote
Speaker 3: him an email on their post show. The entire thing
Speaker 3: was the coolest atmosphere for wrestling I've ever been in.
Speaker 3: And you know, I was at WrestleMania, you know, twenty three,
Speaker 3: twenty yeah, whenever, that was so, you know, but yeah,
Speaker 3: so it was like the you know, and I've been
Speaker 3: to you know, some events, obviously, you know you have
Speaker 3: been to you know, many, many more than I. But
Speaker 3: but the ones that I've been to in person, this
Speaker 3: is just because everybody was engaged. There was not one
Speaker 3: portion of the show, even the interview segments that were
Speaker 3: people weren't engaged. That opening match with Andrade and Jack
Speaker 3: Perry and Nick Wayne was unbelievable. They went all out
Speaker 3: in a match that you were kind of thinking, all right,
Speaker 3: it's a three way match.
Speaker 5: But I'm sitting next to one.
Speaker 3: Guy you know who came with the group I was
Speaker 3: with that you know, isn't really a huge wrestling fan.
Speaker 3: You know, he likes it enough to go, but doesn't
Speaker 3: really follow, and he's on the edge of his seat.
Speaker 5: The ones, you know, the one part.
Speaker 3: Where Perry and Wayne both did outside the ring crazy,
Speaker 3: you know, ridiculous spots. They were like out of their
Speaker 3: seat crazy. The crowd was nuts, and that just set
Speaker 3: the tone for the whole night.
Speaker 5: I'll take a pause here for a second so I
Speaker 5: can breathe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I'll jump in and just say that, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean the atmosphere of everything. And so what I
Speaker 4: also heard too, Greg, and you can chime in if
Speaker 4: you stuck around for this, is that I guess at
Speaker 4: the end of the show, you know, Tony kind of
Speaker 4: comes out and says his pretty you know, generic things,
Speaker 4: who's been here before, who was here on our last show,
Speaker 4: who's here for the first time? We should bring a
Speaker 4: pay per view here? And what I've heard is that
Speaker 4: in this one, it just there was something about that
Speaker 4: felt a lot more authentic about it that where Tony
Speaker 4: was very excited about the prospect of bringing a pay
Speaker 4: per view here and the reporting on it. Because people
Speaker 4: have asked certainly about like why why not Detroit, because
Speaker 4: you and I have asked the same question that it
Speaker 4: just doesn't really make a lot of sense. Is that
Speaker 4: I guess that Tony has been trying to get a
Speaker 4: date there at the Little Caesars Arena but it's been
Speaker 4: a challenge to secure a date there. And he did
Speaker 4: mentioned that arena by name at the end of it.
Speaker 4: And I guess with WWE's contracts of kind of their
Speaker 4: in and outclause of that there can only be so
Speaker 4: much time before they go there, so much time afterwards
Speaker 4: that that's been a challenge for Tony to secure a date.
Speaker 4: Was was this year read as well? And did you
Speaker 4: did you stick around for that? For Tony to say that.
Speaker 3: One hundred and it teaches you and all the listeners
Speaker 3: a valuable lesson to always read all of your texts,
Speaker 3: because I because I sent you the video of Tony
Speaker 3: talking afterwards, uh throwing Joel under the bus. But anyway,
Speaker 3: so you can go back and listen to it actually
Speaker 3: finding your text and when we're done. But anyway, yes,
Speaker 3: I stuck around. Obviously I recorded it because I wanted
Speaker 3: to send it to you. And yes, I mean he
Speaker 3: definitely said all of the things that you normally sad,
Speaker 3: But there was something special because there were multiple pay
Speaker 3: per view chances drout the night during commercial breaks and things,
Speaker 3: you know, and just and Roberts at one point was.
Speaker 4: The chance pay per view or was that World's end World.
Speaker 5: It was pay per view. Yeah, but you know, as as.
Speaker 3: We have speculated on our show, you know when it's
Speaker 3: come up, is you know, the only big venue that
Speaker 3: would have that could house a pay per view, uh
Speaker 3: truly would be Little Caesars Arena in Detroit, and they
Speaker 3: house the Red Wings and the Pistons, and there's a
Speaker 3: new women's hockey team there and they do concerts and
Speaker 3: they do you know, some WWE as you said, when
Speaker 3: they come here, and so it's got to be very
Speaker 3: difficult to you know, plan something even like World's End.
Speaker 3: I didn't even look World's End. You know, obviously the
Speaker 3: time frame, you know, towards the end of December, but
Speaker 3: you know that's right in the middle of hockey and
Speaker 3: basketball season. The odds that there would be time to
Speaker 3: set up and do a whole pay per view there
Speaker 3: with both the Red Wings and Pistons playing is highly unlikely.
Speaker 3: So the only other option that actually I was talking
Speaker 3: with somebody about around here, would be Chrysler Center, which
Speaker 3: is where in the University of Michigan where their basketball
Speaker 3: team plays. I have no idea what that would cost,
Speaker 3: that that's even viable. You know, that's something that's probably
Speaker 3: I don't know, fifteen thousand something like that, so they
Speaker 3: could pack that. But yeah, but anyway, but listening to Tony,
Speaker 3: it did seem like there was a little more of him,
Speaker 3: kind of in his Tony way, trying to explain, you
Speaker 3: deserve one. I don't know if I can get one here.
Speaker 3: It's hard, like that kind of thing. That's what I
Speaker 3: was kind of, you know, feeling from it. So so
Speaker 3: you know, and I believe it because you know, you
Speaker 3: just just being in that building, you know, and being
Speaker 3: there previous years, the original Blood and Guts, the cage
Speaker 3: match where Callus turned on Omega when you fighting Maxillae
Speaker 3: in the cage, those two were at Little Caesars Arena.
Speaker 3: They were you know, you know, weren't sold out, but
Speaker 3: there was you know, over ten thousand people that I
Speaker 3: believe the first time, and maybe just under that second time,
Speaker 3: but still a lot of people.
Speaker 5: So they they will come.
Speaker 3: You know, if there's a pay per view, it won't
Speaker 3: even be you know, they will they will fill the place,
Speaker 3: I'm confident. But they just got to figure it out. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so we'll get there I think eventually.
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Speaker 4: I think that this just kind of made that, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that solidified it for them, is that, I mean, they'd
Speaker 4: be crazy not to have this crowd for a for
Speaker 4: a pay per view there because they've i mean, over
Speaker 4: the past few years instead of diverse fying new audiences
Speaker 4: like that. You know, every once in a while they
Speaker 4: do they'll do that like they did for Montreal. They'll
Speaker 4: try out a new market, especially one that's got history
Speaker 4: of wrestling. But otherwise we see a lot of the
Speaker 4: same of the Chicago, the New York, the La San
Speaker 4: Francisco area. I mean, it's it's a lot of kind
Speaker 4: of the same spots that I think have been comfortable,
Speaker 4: but there's so many other markets too that.
Speaker 3: That you know, it's also seasonal actually as well, because
Speaker 3: you know, you know, I mean, the last thing you'd
Speaker 3: want if you were doing a pay per view in
Speaker 3: Minnesota in December or January or February or something like
Speaker 3: in that range is you could you know, you could
Speaker 3: have a foot of snow coming out of nowhere that
Speaker 3: could affect people getting there. Like there's always these chances
Speaker 3: and these things that that could happen. You know, we
Speaker 3: here don't get as much snow in the month of
Speaker 3: December than we do you know, January and February, but
Speaker 3: there still can be plenty.
Speaker 5: You know, you still can get hit.
Speaker 3: So that's also a factor, especially in you know, in
Speaker 3: these upper Midwest cities.
Speaker 4: It definitely, I mean, that's kind of what's going on
Speaker 4: this weekend is that, you know, WrestleMania has still been
Speaker 4: a gamble to have that in Minnesota. You just don't
Speaker 4: know in earlier April what it's going to look like.
Speaker 4: And yesterday we had rain all day yesterday for the
Speaker 4: for the first activities, and now today sun shining out
Speaker 4: and looks like everything is going to be all good
Speaker 4: to go. Even though it's an indoor stadium, you still
Speaker 4: don't want to have clear skies, you know, want people
Speaker 4: waiting in the rain going to it.
Speaker 3: So all's been good there.
Speaker 4: But you know, as far as the dynamite stuff, let's
Speaker 4: let's talk about the main piece that happened here, which
Speaker 4: was the long overrun, right that was you were probably
Speaker 4: not expecting to have what was it, thirty minute overrun there,
Speaker 4: but it adds to the unpredictability and for the people
Speaker 4: who stuck around to watch it, my goodness, you saw
Speaker 4: a tremendous back and forth promo between Will Osprey and
Speaker 4: Kenny Omega that they are telling not just a typical
Speaker 4: pro wrestling story here of just who's better, but there's
Speaker 4: more intricacies to this and the way that they both
Speaker 4: of these guys are thinking about it, and how Kenny
Speaker 4: is trying to better himself and and thinks that now
Speaker 4: he didn't wasn't sure if he had it to be
Speaker 4: able to get back to the mountaintop, and now he's there,
Speaker 4: and will ospray, this has been the story they've been
Speaker 4: telling for years now. We've been talking about when is
Speaker 4: he gonna win that world championship, and he had the
Speaker 4: setback last year with the next surgery, and now now
Speaker 4: it seems like this is the obvious time to pull
Speaker 4: the trigger on having these guys having this special match.
Speaker 4: And both of them are pretty beat up with a
Speaker 4: lot of injuries, so I think that in this moment
Speaker 4: for them personally, this this match means a lot in
Speaker 4: a different way, than just having a super showcase match
Speaker 4: like they would at the Tokyo Dome or like they
Speaker 4: did at that Forbidden Door show a few years ago.
Speaker 3: That this now these guys as.
Speaker 4: Kenny is in a much different stage in his career,
Speaker 4: unsure of how much longer he has the big matches
Speaker 4: he has left, and will Ospray is in a much
Speaker 4: different spot as well, where he's no longer the guy
Speaker 4: who can just go out there on every week of
Speaker 4: Dynamite and give you that uh, you know, four four
Speaker 4: and a half star almost five star match. That he
Speaker 4: also is in a spot where each moment that he's
Speaker 4: able to have out there just means something a lot
Speaker 4: more because you just never know when the next injury
Speaker 4: or the next thing is going.
Speaker 3: To pile up. Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. I mean
Speaker 3: this has been This has been set up clearly because
Speaker 3: of again all the intricacies that you were talking about.
Speaker 3: This has been you know, months and months and months
Speaker 3: in the writing and the developing and figuring this stuff out.
Speaker 3: I can imagine other than maybe the timing of when
Speaker 3: Omega wins it, which you know, we went back with
Speaker 3: the MJF injury, is the speculation or whatever, but right,
Speaker 3: you know this it shows in what they were able
Speaker 3: to do Wednesday, you know, and.
Speaker 5: What they've done the whole time.
Speaker 3: But but all of the stuff leading up to Wednesday,
Speaker 3: you're kind of like, okay, and listen, if this was
Speaker 3: some sort of quicker pivot or something like that, Bravo,
Speaker 3: you know that they really made this work.
Speaker 5: But you know that we you know, obviously, I don't
Speaker 5: think anyone in that building cared about the overrun.
Speaker 3: I think those who time podcast recordings and stuff like
Speaker 3: that probably care more. Perhaps you could argue that people's
Speaker 3: DVRs and stuff, if they weren't watching live, might have
Speaker 3: affected or might have cut it off, which which is
Speaker 3: a major concern if you're trying to get that out there.
Speaker 3: But there are so many other ways to see it. Now,
Speaker 3: if you you saw most of it and you wanted
Speaker 3: to catch the end, you just hop on you too
Speaker 3: BC the end. But but you know, so we were
Speaker 3: loving it, and then the and then so Omega comes
Speaker 3: out and the fans love him and they're chanting Kenny Kenny,
Speaker 3: and he's you know, even though he you know, because
Speaker 3: you didn't really know coming off of the pay per view,
Speaker 3: is he a heel, Now did he attack osplay?
Speaker 5: What is the reason?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: And all that.
Speaker 3: So the fact that he gets immediately interrupted and Osprey
Speaker 3: comes out, people love ospray and again the best you know,
Speaker 3: uh entrance music and you know, excitement like that that
Speaker 3: I think in the company that gets people out of
Speaker 3: their seats. You know, he comes out and then people
Speaker 3: kind of.
Speaker 5: Like both of them.
Speaker 3: And then Kenny has one line about, you know, not
Speaker 3: caring about what the fans think about this. He's gonna
Speaker 3: tell Osprey and the fans are.
Speaker 5: Kind of like, is he healing?
Speaker 3: Is he not? That you're kind of going on this
Speaker 3: ride of but what it is doing is everyone was
Speaker 3: you know, there were no random yelling, There was no
Speaker 3: you know other than some some Kenny chance or some
Speaker 3: Osprey chants and that kind of thing. People were engaged.
Speaker 3: They were listening. They want to hear what these guys
Speaker 3: had to say. So you know, we were.
Speaker 5: Intently you know, listening.
Speaker 3: Omega goes one way explains to me in my mind perfectly.
Speaker 5: You know why he did what he did.
Speaker 3: On Sunday, And okay, you know, okay, you know you
Speaker 3: know you sense that he you know, he he waited
Speaker 3: too long you know, he was thinking about it. This
Speaker 3: is what he's been warning him about for months and
Speaker 3: months because they set this up months ago after was
Speaker 3: it double or Nothing? They had that you know video
Speaker 3: of them in the locker room talking and Omega's warning
Speaker 3: him about the death Riders back then. You know, so
Speaker 3: all this stuff's coming to fruition for Omega and he's
Speaker 3: not going to let that happen.
Speaker 5: You know, he's a champion.
Speaker 3: And then Omega and then Osprey comes back well, and
Speaker 3: then obviously Omega trying to knock some sense into his friend,
Speaker 3: you know, is slapping him in the face, and Ospray
Speaker 3: goes back and Osprey gives probably his best promo I think,
Speaker 3: you know that he's given, you know, passionate, but it
Speaker 3: made sense. You know, he's explaining he kind of liked
Speaker 3: being a death Rider. This was what he needed, he
Speaker 3: felt he needed and to get to that next level
Speaker 3: because he failed in the past. And it made sense.
Speaker 3: But he's not going to go and injure somebody. You know,
Speaker 3: he's not going to try to take someone out before
Speaker 3: the match. He wants to win it, you know, one
Speaker 3: on one, best versus the best, exactly what he said,
Speaker 3: So by the end, I think everyone was kind of
Speaker 3: going towards ospray And one thing I was curious about
Speaker 3: on the broadcast, they obviously because of the overrun and
Speaker 3: they went long enough, they cut it out before the
Speaker 3: actual Ospray Ospray chance from the song at the end,
Speaker 3: and those were deafening. You know, probably eighty percent of
Speaker 3: the people were still there, you know, at that point,
Speaker 3: and they were just you know, and loud Ospray ospray chants.
Speaker 3: It was really cool. So that just kind of put
Speaker 3: a capra on the whole evening that that segment.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they moved it in the right direction
Speaker 4: where I think, just on paper, this is obviously a
Speaker 4: both these guys fight forever type of match.
Speaker 3: And in short order they need to.
Speaker 4: Get this to where people are on the side of Osprey,
Speaker 4: and I think that they've effectively done so. And that's
Speaker 4: in part because I think Kenny Omega is giving his
Speaker 4: best promo work that he's ever done in AW and
Speaker 4: I don't think that's very controversial to say that. I
Speaker 4: think that there's many times where Omega has had good promos,
Speaker 4: more heartfelt stuff, but he just feels so engaged. He
Speaker 4: has an idea of his character. What he's trying to
Speaker 4: accomplish here has really raised the stakes on this to
Speaker 4: where this feels like, you know what a lot of
Speaker 4: people have clamored for of that new Japan version of
Speaker 4: Kenny Omega, right, and you're always going to get the
Speaker 4: version you're going to get on the North American side
Speaker 4: of things. And I feel like this he has struck
Speaker 4: the right tone here with a story that you know
Speaker 4: is a little a little bit convoluted in what they
Speaker 4: did at the end of Redemption, But I think that
Speaker 4: both these guys really capitalize straightened things out. Osprey gave
Speaker 4: a great explanation of things. Omega really kind of set
Speaker 4: where his mind where his mindset was at for this
Speaker 4: to where I mean, this absolutely does feel like the
Speaker 4: biggest match of the year, and not just because it's
Speaker 4: going to be excellent and beyond amazing in the ring,
Speaker 4: but because they actually have a story that people are
Speaker 4: buying into, drawing upon the history from Bullet Club stuff,
Speaker 4: but a lot of it from just what you watch
Speaker 4: in ae W and where these guys are in the
Speaker 4: trajectories of their careers, oh for sure.
Speaker 3: And and you know, one of the things and we
Speaker 3: you know, I brought it up a few weeks ago,
Speaker 3: I believe is that you know Omega is to me,
Speaker 3: is really doing a great job with his promos and
Speaker 3: the seriousness, and they're keeping the bucks away from him
Speaker 3: when he's doing the promos, Like I think, when the
Speaker 3: bucks are there, the elite people are there, he can
Speaker 3: revert back into the goofy, you know, being the elite
Speaker 3: style of of promo.
Speaker 5: And you know, whether they're cognizant.
Speaker 3: Of that, whether it's just you know, whether it's he
Speaker 3: just turns it off, whatever it is, it's working, so
Speaker 3: you know, keep him serious, doesn't need to be with
Speaker 3: his pals, just you know, as the champion, you know
Speaker 3: the guy, and I think you know, he's hitting out
Speaker 3: of the park. Gospery hit it out of the park,
Speaker 3: and that was you know to me, that was that
Speaker 3: was you know, right up there with whether I'm sure
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about next, which is the Willow segment.
Speaker 3: As far as just the most the most compelling and
Speaker 3: and just cool atmosphere, I'm so glad I was there
Speaker 3: to witness it type of moments in that show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's then let's go to Willow next and
Speaker 4: her celebration and then and then we'll follow that up
Speaker 4: with Hangman. So yeah, Willow Nightingale you talked about that
Speaker 4: of that, many people felt possibly Tekla has earned that
Speaker 4: spot to be in the position at all in, But
Speaker 4: certainly it seems that the original plan was to have
Speaker 4: Willow versus Mercedes, And I think that this response from
Speaker 4: the crowd here and the genuine emotion from Willow Nightingale
Speaker 4: has really solidified that this this absolutely seems like the
Speaker 4: right spot here. I think that these two are going
Speaker 4: to have a great match all in, and I think
Speaker 4: that Willow Knight Andkale needs to retain that title and
Speaker 4: continue to be the standard bearer for the women's division
Speaker 4: in a division that's lacking the depth the star power.
Speaker 4: At this point in time, that Willow has has kind
Speaker 4: of been that reliable person that they can go back to,
Speaker 4: and I feel like taking the segue story of her
Speaker 4: injury and then getting back to winning the championship has
Speaker 4: done actually a lot more for her in this and
Speaker 4: this segment was evidence of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm shocked that I agree one hundred percent with
Speaker 3: you after you know, a week ago, and I'm, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, I wanted her to lose so bad, and
Speaker 3: you know, because I love I think, well, because I
Speaker 3: love Tekla, and I think she's unique, and I think
Speaker 3: she is something. She's really good in the ring, and
Speaker 3: she's getting there, you know with her persona and her
Speaker 3: mic work and everything that I hope she does not get,
Speaker 3: you know, tossed to the side on this that she's back,
Speaker 3: you know, on TV a lot, because I think she's
Speaker 3: very valuable. But but you know, I think I think
Speaker 3: a lot of the credit for this has to go
Speaker 3: to Willow and and and.
Speaker 5: I think it all started for me.
Speaker 3: On Sunday night after if you watch the press conference,
Speaker 3: the post scrum whatever they call it, afterwards, they bring
Speaker 3: Willow on. You know, she's kind of talking a little bit,
Speaker 3: you know, like her cliche will Low you know thing.
Speaker 3: And then someone asked her about you know, report that
Speaker 3: she was dealing with, uh, some mild depression and some
Speaker 3: other things. And she gave an answer that was so
Speaker 3: like you could see the real person in there when
Speaker 3: she was she really was explaining you know that you know,
Speaker 3: she was going through a tough time and some you know,
Speaker 3: some some personal situations and and and dealing with you know, uh,
Speaker 3: dealing with something that so many people deal with. And
Speaker 3: it for the first time for me, I could see,
Speaker 3: you know, like the real person, not this persona that
Speaker 3: you know that that with the smile anyway, and all
Speaker 3: of that stuff, which you know, which I'm sure there's
Speaker 3: parts of that that are you know her as well,
Speaker 3: you know, but that kind of cheesy, you know, super
Speaker 3: you know, babyface type of of of things that you
Speaker 3: said that you know you don't really see as much,
Speaker 3: but kind can get grading on some people, and it
Speaker 3: was on me. I was kind of like, all right,
Speaker 3: I'm done with this act type of thing, but you know,
Speaker 3: letting us in seeing her the way that I saw her,
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, And I really thought people at
Speaker 3: the show saw that, and that is one of the
Speaker 3: reasons why she got as much love as she did.
Speaker 5: I'm sure she would have been cheered either way, but.
Speaker 3: I think this just just energized people even more. And
Speaker 3: then to see her, you know, legitimately get choked up,
Speaker 3: and then to see Renee's face in the ring, They're like,
Speaker 3: so that's what I wanted to see. Like when I
Speaker 3: rewatched it was because I thought I had seen it,
Speaker 3: but when I was there, but you know, Renee giving
Speaker 3: away almost how happy she was that Willa was getting
Speaker 3: this reaction made me even feel even more. I mean
Speaker 3: I was I got hit in the fields by the
Speaker 3: whole thing when I was there, and I was like,
Speaker 3: oh wow, this is amazing. And then she follows that
Speaker 3: up with a pro that you know, ninety five percent
Speaker 3: of was more real, felt like the real person. Some
Speaker 3: of the stuff like coming from what the post show,
Speaker 3: the post paperview show was, you know, a little bit
Speaker 3: of the catchphrase stuff, but for the most part real,
Speaker 3: and I'm kind of I'm thinking, Okay, this is.
Speaker 5: A lot easier to get behind.
Speaker 3: And then Mercedes comes out and she knocks it out
Speaker 3: of the park because she's she's like getting into it.
Speaker 3: It seemed like so she's forgetting this kind of scripted
Speaker 3: nature that she often speaks in and she's spar and
Speaker 3: the crowd was healing on her big time, which was fantastic,
Speaker 3: and she was kind of going back and it didn't
Speaker 3: seem awkward. You know, when they're chinning shut the f
Speaker 3: up and she goes back, I will not shut the
Speaker 3: hell up, you know, and it's part like that kind
Speaker 3: of back and forth, I think adds. So the whole
Speaker 3: segment to me was like, Wow, I was wrong. I
Speaker 3: want to see this match now. This is like a
Speaker 3: brand new for me and I now I've kind of
Speaker 3: bind Willow. It's like, it's amazing what a few days
Speaker 3: will do.
Speaker 5: But that's really the journey I went on.
Speaker 4: And I love that that we are, you know, two years,
Speaker 4: two plus years now into Mercedes being on the main
Speaker 4: roster for AW, and they've just remained the course of
Speaker 4: her being a heel and that is just such the
Speaker 4: right direction there. I think there's many opportunities where AW
Speaker 4: could have said, well, let's try to go back to
Speaker 4: trying to make her a babyface, and maybe the fans
Speaker 4: would have bought into it at different times, but this
Speaker 4: just solidified that, No, No, these people are cast in
Speaker 4: the right spot and they can and they can certainly.
Speaker 3: Have that though like for weeks and weeks, like I said,
Speaker 3: I really wanted Mercedes to come back as a baby
Speaker 3: face because I thought they could have told a good story.
Speaker 3: But I think what you're saying is one hundred percent
Speaker 3: right where this is working now because of Willow, Because
Speaker 3: if she was just going to some normal person and
Speaker 3: doing the whole you know, Mercedes shtick, I don't think
Speaker 3: it would have worked. This dynamic, you know, with the
Speaker 3: history between the two you know, where Willow's been in
Speaker 3: her way and all that this whole thing, that's where
Speaker 3: it I think has worked perfectly. So I think they
Speaker 3: just hit it, you know, they hit the right if
Speaker 3: they're gonna do it like this, I think it just
Speaker 3: worked out perfectly. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like to give the example would be, is like if
Speaker 4: they tried to run it back with Maya World, I
Speaker 4: certainly don't think that that would have worked. I don't
Speaker 4: think that that worked on the pay per view or
Speaker 4: if you tried doing something with Chris again, I just
Speaker 4: don't think that that would have worked. Where just right now,
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that there's a lot of feelings
Speaker 4: towards Willow and the fans want to see somebody be
Speaker 4: that baby face for the women's division, and Willow time
Speaker 4: and time again has shown that she is able to
Speaker 4: be be that wrestler for them, especially with with with
Speaker 4: no return in sight for Tony Storm. So so somebody
Speaker 4: has to assume that mantle to be able to carry that,
Speaker 4: and I think Willow has proven to the audience that
Speaker 4: she is absolutely that person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and the only thing I would hope moving
Speaker 3: forward you know, with again this, you know, there was
Speaker 3: some talk about did did these two you know storylines
Speaker 3: peak you know now, and so now they still have
Speaker 3: a month to go through, you know, to sell you
Speaker 3: on it. I think the important thing moving forward for
Speaker 3: Willow is to try to continue to be this vulnerable,
Speaker 3: vulnerable babyface who is positive and all that stuff, but
Speaker 3: just have that have that realness and and the way
Speaker 3: she speaks, and and stay away from some of the
Speaker 3: cliches or some of the kind of over the top
Speaker 3: positivity stuff that she had done in the past that
Speaker 3: kind of turned it turned me off, but you know,
Speaker 3: maybe turned others off as well, whereas now, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm feeling that, you know, that nice blend between real
Speaker 3: person and character that really makes all of this work.
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Speaker 7: All right, so talk about Hangman Page makes his return
Speaker 7: on this show, and now he's kind of the king
Speaker 7: of the of the unadvertised appearances with when he did
Speaker 7: his promo on Collision with you know, a day's notice
Speaker 7: being in Virginia and then also that you know, there
Speaker 7: was thought that maybe he could appear on the paper.
Speaker 7: He didn't, and he just shows up in Detroit at
Speaker 7: the beginning of the show.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: He gets in at the end of the at the
Speaker 4: end of that trios match, so the demand are now
Speaker 4: the Trios Tag Champions. And then there was also some
Speaker 4: follow up to on Collision where it seems as as
Speaker 4: right now that Hangman's mission is to tang Along Tag
Speaker 4: alongside Brodido, So it doesn't seem like there's a singles
Speaker 4: mission right now, but he's getting into the uh, into
Speaker 4: the trios tag division.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it was great.
Speaker 3: You know that opening segment was from Dynamite where you
Speaker 3: know they're walking through that tunnel and Ospray sees the
Speaker 3: death Rioters and you have that moment you know, I
Speaker 3: agree with.
Speaker 5: I saw it, read it or saw it.
Speaker 3: Somewhere about the the the uh the scout that you know,
Speaker 3: the location scalt finding that era. It was really a
Speaker 3: cool you know, it's kind of right near the building,
Speaker 3: but a very cool way to shoot that opening opening scene.
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, you know, when Osprey's
Speaker 3: kind of done talking and he goes off and Hangman's
Speaker 3: right there. The eruption from the crowd again another sign
Speaker 3: of like, well, you know, look what we get to see,
Speaker 3: because no one really knew what we were going to
Speaker 3: get to see, so that was great. He comes in
Speaker 3: at the end, you know when when his music hits
Speaker 3: at the end to come save uh, save the guys,
Speaker 3: the conglomeration, all that the place, a huge pop in
Speaker 3: a night of huge pops. So it's just right up
Speaker 3: there with anything else cheering wise all night. So he's
Speaker 3: still obviously very popular, and I think they're kinda this
Speaker 3: is kind of their way of just getting him back
Speaker 3: in the stories, you know, have him do this trios,
Speaker 3: get with with Broddo. You know, maybe they win the
Speaker 3: trios titles, maybe they don't, but I'm sure it won't
Speaker 3: be long until something kind of grabs him out of
Speaker 3: that into a good singles you know match for all In,
Speaker 3: because I would I would assume that, you know, they
Speaker 3: want him in a big, high profile singles match, and
Speaker 3: you know, maybe it's a I don't know, I'm trying
Speaker 3: to think of all the titles now or maybe again,
Speaker 3: I don't even know if he's going to be in
Speaker 3: this Continental Cup.
Speaker 8: That you know.
Speaker 3: The one criticism of the week for me is that
Speaker 3: this is another one of those major things for all
Speaker 3: In that just like gets randomly referenced in the show
Speaker 3: to like, what did he say?
Speaker 5: What is this thing?
Speaker 3: And then they kind of half explain it on collision,
Speaker 3: you know, throughout there trying to like instead of just
Speaker 3: taking two minutes and having ax Caliber just say we
Speaker 3: got something very special for all In called the Continental
Speaker 3: Cup and this is how it's gonna work, and put
Speaker 3: a graphic up and just say boom boom, boom boom,
Speaker 3: and then you're done. And then now any reference to
Speaker 3: it makes perfect sense. But anyway, but so maybe he
Speaker 3: enters that. I don't know, but I think it's very
Speaker 3: nice to see Hangman back, and I think you know,
Speaker 3: he could do He doesn't have to be in the
Speaker 3: world title scene to you know, matter, so you know,
Speaker 3: build these good stories and have him, you know, be
Speaker 3: the cowboy.
Speaker 4: So Greg, we're we're just a little pressed for time
Speaker 4: on stuff here for for both of our schedules. I
Speaker 4: want it, but I want it, like I said, I
Speaker 4: want to spend most of the time talking about You're
Speaker 4: in person there, so we had you also saw some
Speaker 4: great matches. You and I were kind of joking beforehand
Speaker 4: that you said, we said, well, you're going to see
Speaker 4: some sit down, some celebrations, and some more promos, and
Speaker 4: we're kind of like, well, I don't know how this
Speaker 4: is going to how good this will be. Turned out
Speaker 4: to be a fantastic of all of those, and as
Speaker 4: well as some of the in ring stuff, especially Moxley Commander.
Speaker 4: You saw a great trios match, the Andrade title defense
Speaker 4: to kick off the show. So just kind of leaving
Speaker 4: that more open air for anything that you want to
Speaker 4: touch on, anything that's specific to being there in person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me see so Yeah, so I'll be brief. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the matches were fantastic. Everybody was really into them. The
Speaker 3: uh that trios Kyle Fletcher really to me stood out.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people were, you know, he
Speaker 3: played you know, heel to the crowd. He he you know,
Speaker 3: during the match, with some face expression, some good stuff,
Speaker 3: like he's really finding his way.
Speaker 5: So that was great.
Speaker 3: They all three of the baby faces, obviously Brodido and Speedball.
Speaker 3: People love them. People who hadn't seen you know, Speedball before,
Speaker 3: they're kind of like, who is this kind of you
Speaker 3: know Mullet, you know, guy who coming in here and
Speaker 3: a company were like, oh wow, you know some of
Speaker 3: those spots and that was great. You know, people still
Speaker 3: love Moxley. They're still chanting for Moxley. I still think,
Speaker 3: you know, they really got to at some point get Moxley,
Speaker 3: you know, more towards the baby face side. You don't
Speaker 3: have to change his character that much. Just get leave
Speaker 3: the plastic bags at home.
Speaker 5: But the best part of that Moxley match for me.
Speaker 3: Was the f Ohio chant against him, which obviously people
Speaker 3: in Michigan not fans of people from Ohio, and they
Speaker 3: very loud f Ohio. And then Moxley playing to the crowd,
Speaker 3: looking back and and like shaking his head like all right,
Speaker 3: you know jerks and then goes back to muttering to
Speaker 3: himself walking around, and you know which is I's one
Speaker 3: of my favorite things Motley does is just when he
Speaker 3: just decides to start just muttering to himself or his opponent,
Speaker 3: you know, like why are you trying to do that?
Speaker 3: You know it it's it's very's so great to me. So,
Speaker 3: is that like a college sports rivalry mostly mostly Yeah,
Speaker 3: with the University of Michigan and Ohio State is like
Speaker 3: the you know, top football rivalry of all the time.
Speaker 3: But I think it's also you know a lot of
Speaker 3: times it's a people thing too for them. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm not a native Michigan Michigander, so I don't have
Speaker 3: that ingrown hatred of all things Ohio actually for lots
Speaker 3: of friends in Ohio, and I like Ohio. But but yeah,
Speaker 3: but there's a lot of you know, there's always these
Speaker 3: like tales of uh, you know, be.
Speaker 5: Careful when you're driving in Ohio with a Michigan.
Speaker 3: Plate because they'll the cops, will you know, get.
Speaker 5: You for you know, sixty six over.
Speaker 3: You know it's over sixty five or what you know,
Speaker 3: like you're one mile per hour over, You're getting pulled
Speaker 3: over for something. But yeah, so, I mean that was comical,
Speaker 3: you know. Uh, I enjoyed the let's go commander chant
Speaker 3: because you know, a year and a half ago, the
Speaker 3: Commander's knocked the Lions out of the playoffs, and I,
Speaker 3: you know, so I was kind of thinking, oh, that
Speaker 3: must be weird for you to chant, let's go, commander.
Speaker 3: But anyway, uh, that was just for me, you know,
Speaker 3: it just again the whole thing, people, the one the
Speaker 3: one knock on the whole night was And my only
Speaker 3: miss in my Hits and Missus column that that I
Speaker 3: that I put out on PW torch dot com was
Speaker 3: it was swelteringly hot in there. I mean we were
Speaker 3: just it was hot in there. So uh so, yeah
Speaker 3: it was, but you know what, it wasn't it. I
Speaker 3: didn't care. I don't think most people care to think,
Speaker 3: Yeah it was hot, Yeah, were you sweaty? Yeah?
Speaker 5: But it was such a good time, so great time.
Speaker 5: You know, I can't wait for the next one.
Speaker 3: I know that Collision wasn't as attended, but I think
Speaker 3: they were still pretty loud and you had your MotorCity
Speaker 3: machine Guns arrival, which was which was very cool to see.
Speaker 3: You know, they got it, and the show itself I
Speaker 3: thought was decent. And yeah, so it was just a great,
Speaker 3: you know week. I think for aw coming off of
Speaker 3: that day review.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that they did a nice job of
Speaker 4: setting the stage and it really helps to come to
Speaker 4: a market. I mean, this was perfect for them to
Speaker 4: come to Detroit with the two live shows. As you mentioned,
Speaker 4: the Motor City machine Guns debuted on Collision, so that
Speaker 4: was kind of a nice touch to give something more
Speaker 4: special to that Collision show, even though they did have
Speaker 4: some good matches on that one. Just quickly going through
Speaker 4: those results is that they had an aw World Trios
Speaker 4: title match the demand retain those against the Rascals Chamaso
Speaker 4: Champa defeated Nic Camarado, Hazuki and the Brawling Birds. If
Speaker 4: he had mit Athena, Billy Starks and Diamante.
Speaker 3: You had Bang Bang Gang.
Speaker 4: Defeating the Death Riders, Christantlander defeating Aurora tieves Co, Mander
Speaker 4: defeats Jay Lethal, and then a really good will Osprey
Speaker 4: match defeating Daniel Garcia.
Speaker 3: So as you mentioned, classic Tony Shavani saying Commander beating
Speaker 3: Jay Lethal shocked the world. That was my favorite line.
Speaker 4: Okay, Tony is I it feels like it becomes more
Speaker 4: grading each week, Right, there.
Speaker 3: Are moments, Yeah, there are moments where I think he's
Speaker 3: saying stuff and ex caliber and whoever happens to be
Speaker 3: next to him was yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh, there's no way that they're not being driven nuts.
Speaker 4: There's no there's no way that they're not aware of
Speaker 4: how this is coming off.
Speaker 3: Anyways, go ahead, Oh no, And and highlight for me
Speaker 3: from from Collision was with Nigel saying he's going to
Speaker 3: enter the Continental Cup, and apparently either Moxley is a great, great,
Speaker 3: great actor or he just found out, Like when he
Speaker 3: was sitting there on commentary, and the reaction from Moxley
Speaker 3: was just classic of just like wait.
Speaker 5: What you're in the You're in the cup?
Speaker 3: Yeah, my face you And then he's like yelling off
Speaker 3: off off Mike to uh to Marina Shafir about it's
Speaker 3: just yeah, it was.
Speaker 5: It was very.
Speaker 3: Entertaining, you know that that little uh back and forth.
Speaker 4: Yes, Nigel, Nigel still has his moments there. He's got
Speaker 4: some of his uncomfortable comments to where nobody responds.
Speaker 3: There's a few of those on the paper View that.
Speaker 5: Was one, Yeah, I remember, I remember one of them. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that was you know what.
Speaker 3: I love Nigel, Yeah, I could. He could be on
Speaker 3: every show for me. He just I don't know, I've
Speaker 3: always I've always been a fan. Is he just you know,
Speaker 3: I think he gets it where he's just trying to
Speaker 3: have fun and trying to inform as well. And sometimes
Speaker 3: when you do that, you're gonna maybe go too far
Speaker 3: once by mistake, or you're gonna kind of contradict something
Speaker 3: by mistake.
Speaker 5: But I think for the most part. He's he's very entertaining.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Next Wednesday they're gonna be at Arena Mexico for Grand
Speaker 4: Slam Mexico. They have a full card announced with a
Speaker 4: non title Casino Gauntlin Number one three way match. So
Speaker 4: they did announce that the Casino Gauntlet will be returning
Speaker 4: to all In so Tomaso Champo versus Andredeo Elo versus Commander.
Speaker 4: I would have thought Andreida would have been in a
Speaker 4: bigger match for the show, but you know, this is
Speaker 4: the way they did it. They also have an eight
Speaker 4: man tag match with Cage and Cope at Tagan with
Speaker 4: the Young Bucks versus The Death Rids, Dana Garcia, John Moxley,
Speaker 4: Pac and Wheeler Uda aw World Trios tag match, the Demand,
Speaker 4: Bishop Conn, Ricochet and to Leona versus Adam Page and
Speaker 4: Brodido Christ Atlander versus Persephone, Darby, Allen, Jericho.
Speaker 3: And Mistico very weird group there.
Speaker 4: Versus the Don Callis Family of Hiso, Kazuchko Kata and
Speaker 4: Kevin Knight. There will be a no outside interference Mexico
Speaker 4: City street fight with Mark Davis versus Will Osprey. We'll
Speaker 4: also see the brawling Birds and Willow Nightingale versus Domine
Speaker 4: Dominion with Mercedes my Name and the AW International Title
Speaker 4: Match Kyle Fletcher versus Mike Bailey.
Speaker 3: Very solid crowd, a crowd card crowd too, I'm assuming
Speaker 3: because especially since last year was very cool there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, they'll they that will be a very entertaining one.
Speaker 4: And then also just the updated card for all in London.
Speaker 4: Since some stuff was established from Redemption and some and
Speaker 4: from Dynamite. Is that I mentioned that there will be
Speaker 4: another AW World Tyle Number one Contendership Casino Gauntlet match,
Speaker 4: so you'll get some surprises in there. AW World Tag
Speaker 4: Team Title Match. This was established on Redemption that Cajun
Speaker 4: Cope will face the Young Bucks AW Women's World Title match,
Speaker 4: will Nightingale defense against Mercedes Money and AW World Title Match,
Speaker 4: Ken Kenny Omega defense against will Ospray.
Speaker 3: All right, we're getting there.
Speaker 4: Yep, so good stuff there. We do have an email
Speaker 4: from Zach, so we'll get to that here. So Zach
Speaker 4: sent this in on Friday morning. Let me pull that
Speaker 4: up here. He sent that to All Elite CC at
Speaker 4: gmail dot com. Zach says Fellas Dynamite was special this
Speaker 4: week three very good to excellent promo segments to build
Speaker 4: up the top three matches. The crowd really made the
Speaker 4: show though, Greg, you were part of an all timer crowd.
Speaker 4: Detroit brought it all night and it was amazing. I
Speaker 4: have no doubt Arena Mexico will be hot next week too.
Speaker 4: Hopefully AW can maintain the momentum moving forward. And he says, Okay,
Speaker 4: time for trivia, and this week it's a new game
Speaker 4: called finish the Match. I'll give you half the match
Speaker 4: and you must fill the missing opponent. Good luck, all right,
Speaker 4: So we will do our best here, Greg, And I
Speaker 4: think if we can't get to it, then we'll continue on.
Speaker 4: And I think what I'll do in the future of these, Greg,
Speaker 4: is that I will as soon as I get these
Speaker 4: from Zach, I will send them to you, so you've
Speaker 4: got some time to think about them. So then we
Speaker 4: can kind of we can rattle off at least a
Speaker 4: guess there.
Speaker 5: I promise not to cheat if you do that.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: Number one he has sting versus a mystery opponent and
Speaker 4: this was a coal miner's glove match from Halloween Havoc
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 3: Oh God. Two, So here I graduated high school. I
Speaker 3: don't get any credit for that portion of the answer.
Speaker 3: Oh no, man, I just try to think of the
Speaker 3: top guys in there. I mean, was like Vader in
Speaker 3: there was like that when they were kind of doing
Speaker 3: yeah because this Flair so Flare's gone, right, so you
Speaker 3: and they didn't have anybody set up for sting after
Speaker 3: Flair was gone, So think of it that way too.
Speaker 3: But it could be Yeah, it could be Vader. I
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know because coal miner have something
Speaker 3: to do with some weird gimmick that someone was doing
Speaker 3: or probably yeah, uh all right, I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Number one is Jake the Snake Roberts, one of the
Speaker 4: most infamous matches in wrestling history.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say it, I swear to god I did,
Speaker 3: but it was on I was thinking to myself, I
Speaker 3: don't want to say Jake's Jake the Snake because I
Speaker 3: think he went over there in ninety two and you know,
Speaker 3: after the whole like macho man uh bus Cobra biting
Speaker 3: him thing, and then he left and damn it. I
Speaker 3: did not pull the trigger, un see, I unlike will Osprey,
Speaker 3: you know, who now pulls the trick. I did not
Speaker 3: pull the trigger, so I lost that one. Damn it
Speaker 3: should have should have trusted myself.
Speaker 4: He says that Sting defeated Jake after retrieving the glove
Speaker 4: and punching him with it. So also just to want
Speaker 4: to say this as well, is that you know, I
Speaker 4: don't know if Jake is actually still on the A E.
Speaker 3: W roster page. I'd assume that the answer is no.
Speaker 4: But Jake was at the WWE event here, so not
Speaker 4: Rustle Khan, but the actual WWE event, So that tells
Speaker 4: me they are long done with each other.
Speaker 3: I'm checking their roster page very quickly here, but I'm
Speaker 3: obviously he's gone. He's not on there. So yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: So back back.
Speaker 4: With eight W or back with ww okay, So then
Speaker 4: moving on to the next one as I fumble through
Speaker 4: my phone. So number two is Brett Hart versus a
Speaker 4: mystery opponent. This was for the WWF Championship in your
Speaker 4: House Seasons Beatings nineteen ninety.
Speaker 3: Five, right in my dark period which Zach loves so much.
Speaker 3: Seasons Beatings, Seasons Beatings that I'm in the slightest idea.
Speaker 3: So okay, so late ninety five, so Nash was gone
Speaker 3: and uh, Scott All was gone.
Speaker 5: Can I go Vader again?
Speaker 3: Let's go Vader. I'm gonna keep going Vader until until
Speaker 3: he's until he's the right answer.
Speaker 4: Number two is the British Bulldog Davy Boyce Smith. He says,
Speaker 4: arguably Bulldog's best match Brett bled Buckets in this one.
Speaker 3: Okay, he only just said Summer Slam ninety two Brett
Speaker 3: Hard versus and then I would have gotten that.
Speaker 4: So Number three is Stephanie McMahon versus a mystery opponent
Speaker 4: from Vengeance two thousand and three.
Speaker 3: I want to say this was Vince McMahon.
Speaker 5: Okay, you are very confident. Let's go there.
Speaker 4: Uh, Nope, it is not. It was Sable says. This
Speaker 4: occurred after Sable returned to WWE as Vince's mistress.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those days.
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Speaker 4: Number four Triple H Versus, which was a sledgehammer ladder
Speaker 4: match at TLC twenty eleven. I mean, like, was this
Speaker 4: like what they're weird, like Kevin Nash match?
Speaker 3: I mean, was it because there there.
Speaker 5: Was a he didn't have a larn eleven?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, okay, but I could also say it's not.
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess Kevin Nash is my guess. M.
Speaker 8: Do you have a guess no, Yeah, we'll go with yours.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Number four Kevin Nash. This match was the culmination of
Speaker 4: bizarre twenty eleven return. That is a good way to
Speaker 4: put it, Zach. When Greg Gas was he there in
Speaker 4: twenty eleven, Yes he was, and it was bizarre.
Speaker 3: Yes, I remember that was the twenty eleven was the
Speaker 3: glorious Punk run that it should have been longer than
Speaker 3: it was. But that's that's what I think of when
Speaker 3: I think twenty eleven. I can't no one say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: Nash was backing up Dog.
Speaker 4: Well, that's exactly what happened there was they cut off
Speaker 4: his knees and they brought in Kevin Nash like and
Speaker 4: made him up to look like Diesel, and they were
Speaker 4: gonna they either did or we're going to have CM
Speaker 4: Punk versus Kevin Nash. And you know, obviously you draw
Speaker 4: those parallels to the click cutting people off. So number
Speaker 4: five Cody Rhodes versus a mystery opponent from eight E
Speaker 4: W Double or Nothing twenty twenty one. So yes, So
Speaker 4: Cody left early twenty two, twenty two, and it looks
Speaker 4: like it is a.
Speaker 3: Single opponent here.
Speaker 4: This is this is pre Malachi Black series of matches.
Speaker 3: Wow, I thought you would have had this right on
Speaker 3: the money, because you you are mister aw pay per
Speaker 3: view guy, even though I can tell you I watched
Speaker 3: it because I've seen every pay for you they've done, Like, oh, okay.
Speaker 4: So this, this would have still been at This would
Speaker 4: have been the last one at Daily's place before then
Speaker 4: they then they moved out. So and I know that
Speaker 4: that show was headlined by Brody Lee versus John Moxley.
Speaker 3: So is this Anthony a go go? You know? And
Speaker 3: that one makes sense because that I remember they they
Speaker 3: did try that. Yeah, yeah, okay, number five Anthony a
Speaker 3: go go. Oh, well done, Joel. You you talked your
Speaker 3: way right into that one. Perfect. He said.
Speaker 4: This was the feud slash match in which the term
Speaker 4: Cody verse really became a thing.
Speaker 3: Yes, it was totally. That's very good, very good, Zach,
Speaker 3: very good, awesome, awesome, Thank you, thank you, Zach. And yes,
Speaker 3: I was very proud to be a part of that
Speaker 3: crowd on Wednesday. You know, while I am not the
Speaker 3: biggest yeller screamer in as a fan in the shows
Speaker 3: I was, I was definitely engaged and into it. You know,
Speaker 3: how could you not be? It?
Speaker 4: Was fantastic, and then I wanted to close out just
Speaker 4: by saying Greg because I had I was texting you
Speaker 4: yesterday that I was at an independent show.
Speaker 3: I went to. I went to a one and one
Speaker 3: match of an independent show.
Speaker 4: I did not last long at the late one and
Speaker 4: left early, but I went to the Friday night nightro
Speaker 4: as First Wrestling has now run five years from the
Speaker 4: rotunda at All America, so an opportunity for people traveling
Speaker 4: into town to see the uniqueness of where they had
Speaker 4: the first nightro and this show included the likes of
Speaker 4: Amazing Red was on this show. El Clone Eddie Kingston
Speaker 4: was on it along with Yes, my new friend I did.
Speaker 4: I did have a little chat with Eddie, very very
Speaker 4: nice person after the show, and I'm and I teased
Speaker 4: to you that somebody on the original WCW Nitro wrestled
Speaker 4: on this show and this was a huge, huge pop.
Speaker 3: Do you know who this was? M I mean, the
Speaker 3: only one when you told me yesterday that I could
Speaker 3: come up with was buff Bagwell, because that that's the
Speaker 3: only person I could think of who's still alive or
Speaker 3: able to walk to a ring that might have been
Speaker 3: for I don't have that car original card memorized, but
Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember there weren't there wasn't a ton
Speaker 3: of matches on that card, So.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, out of retirement, Jusian thunder Liger wrestled on
Speaker 4: this show in a a kind of Royal Rumble battle
Speaker 4: royal esque thing where he was the last entrant. Didn't
Speaker 4: do a ton in the rain, but gave some clotheslines
Speaker 4: and some stuff and.
Speaker 3: You know, seven top eight years old or whatever. He
Speaker 3: I don't know, but he's he's high up there.
Speaker 4: And the thing is is that so I was actually
Speaker 4: at his final match at the Tokyo Dome Wrestle Kingdom fourteen,
Speaker 4: and then he just kind of came back out of
Speaker 4: the blue and had a match against Joey Janella which
Speaker 4: was less than two minutes. I want to say last year,
Speaker 4: and here again just out of the blue comes out
Speaker 4: of retirement to you.
Speaker 3: Know, I mean, he's technically in a match.
Speaker 4: He did do some moves, so maybe it maybe you know,
Speaker 4: it's just he's retired from Japan, but will come out
Speaker 4: for these, you know, if there's a nice payday and
Speaker 4: something you know special where obviously him he came out
Speaker 4: with Sonny Ono, the Rotunda, the malve of America. And
Speaker 4: to this point, I've not seen any anybody else reporting
Speaker 4: on this. I've not seen it on PW torch dot
Speaker 4: com or otherwise. But Jusian thunder Lager was on that
Speaker 4: show last night.
Speaker 3: So well, good for you get to see him again. Yeah. Nice, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's really cool. And it was funny because when I mentioned,
Speaker 3: and I'll be brief that when WrestleMania was in Detroit
Speaker 3: way back when, like they didn't have this type of
Speaker 3: stuff going on.
Speaker 5: I'm sure there were a couple of.
Speaker 3: Independent shows, and I'm not as big into the independent
Speaker 3: scene certainly wasn't back then. But but like these like
Speaker 3: Wrestle Khan and all this stuff where you're gonna there's
Speaker 3: so much going around. Like that's the one thing where
Speaker 3: I'm curious, you know, if any other big event comes
Speaker 3: to Detroit, I could take advantage of, you know, some
Speaker 3: some of it, you know, if it if it aligns
Speaker 3: with my preferences as if you know what I mean. Yep.
Speaker 4: So later on today, Wrestle Khan here starts in a
Speaker 4: little bit. Some aw names there, Will Osprey is the
Speaker 4: biggest name.
Speaker 3: Tekla is also going to be there. I know Tamaso.
Speaker 4: Champa, so just a few names, but the wrestle con
Speaker 4: that's non Wrestlmingia weekend is not nearly as big. And
Speaker 4: then GCW is making their debut in Minnesota. They're going
Speaker 4: to be at the historic First Avenue. Meghan Bain of
Speaker 4: Divine Dominion is going to be on that show. Then
Speaker 4: you have SummerSlam Night one, and then First Wrestling again
Speaker 4: is going to be back at First Avenue, so Eddie
Speaker 4: Kingston again will be on that show, and I think
Speaker 4: l Clone as well from aew and then they do
Speaker 4: it again on Sunday, so they'll have GCW versus First
Speaker 4: Wrestling at First Avenue and then SummerSlam Night two as.
Speaker 3: Well to close out the weekend. Well, one of my
Speaker 3: good friends who I went to the show with this
Speaker 3: past week is a big GCW guy and he will
Speaker 3: go to any GCW show that's.
Speaker 5: Ever around this area.
Speaker 3: So I wish you a good time, stay safe, watch
Speaker 3: for flying projectiles, and enjoy yourself and enjoy yourself the
Speaker 3: whole weekend.
Speaker 5: I know you been looking forward to this. This is good,
Speaker 5: good stuff.
Speaker 3: Very much appreciate it. Greg.
Speaker 4: Let's sign off from there. I appreciate you making time
Speaker 4: here to on your vacation. I was able to get
Speaker 4: to see uh outside here a little bit, but why
Speaker 4: don't you get back to the activities.
Speaker 3: I'll close this one out. We appreciate the.
Speaker 4: Email from Zach and our listeners here. If you have
Speaker 4: any questions comments, send that to all ELITESCC at gmail
Speaker 4: dot com. But Greg, we will we'll talk to you
Speaker 4: next week.
Speaker 3: Sounds good, everyone, have a good week.
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