WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.800 --> 00:00:10.480 It's the Opperman Report. 2 00:00:10.960 --> 00:00:14.880 Join digital forensic investigator in PI at Opperman for an 3 00:00:14.919 --> 00:00:19.559 in depth discussion of conspiracy theories, strategy of New World 4 00:00:19.719 --> 00:00:24.160 Order resistance, hi profile court cases in the news, and 5 00:00:24.320 --> 00:00:28.679 interviews with expert guests and authors on these topics and more. 6 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:35.759 It's the Opferman Report, and now here is Investigator Ed Opperman. 7 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:42.920 Okay, welcome to the Opperman Report. I'm your host, Private 8 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:45.280 Investigator at Opperman and the show is brought to you 9 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:49.399 by cartking dot Com eight seven seven ninety six seven 10 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:52.399 seven seventy one. 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So and then 31 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:55.959 I heard from Jim Rodstein. He says, hey, ED, give 32 00:01:55.959 --> 00:01:58.680 me Mike's phone number, And so Mike gets more attention 33 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:01.000 around here than I do. Mike's the outher of the 34 00:02:01.879 --> 00:02:04.640 is the other of the book. Alphaville nineteen eighty eight. 35 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:06.840 Welcome to what is it again? Welcome to what? 36 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:09.360 Welcome to Heroin City. 37 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:12.759 Welcome to Heroin City. Alphaville, nineteen eighty eight. Welcome to 38 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:16.319 Heroin City. Hey, Mike, remind the audience who is Mike Cadella? 39 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:24.960 Okay, So I retired NYPD detective sergeant. I came on 40 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:28.560 the job back in nineteen eighty three. I've retired in 41 00:02:28.599 --> 00:02:33.280 two thousand and three after twenty years. And I, of course, 42 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:35.000 like everyone else, saw that as a regular cop and 43 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:39.479 was promoted eventually to uh sergeant of detectives. 44 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:44.599 And you're living in Staten Island now, I'm in Brooklyn, 45 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:47.120 in Brooklyn, okay, But but you were living in Staten Island. 46 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:49.039 Right for a short time. 47 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:52.360 Yeah, okay, all right, so give us it. You had 48 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:53.919 you on the show last time because you were talking 49 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:55.879 about I guess you contacted me. You wanted to get 50 00:02:55.879 --> 00:02:57.960 a hold of MARITORI originally. 51 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:00.919 You know, remember who I wanted? 52 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:05.080 Maybe I don't remember. Possibly, yeah, I I to be honest, 53 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:07.080 I don't remember what for me as I contacted you, 54 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:11.400 But I listened to your show several times and I 55 00:03:11.439 --> 00:03:15.599 had some thoughts and I was actually involved with this 56 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:19.159 the son of same investigation, of course years later after 57 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:22.759 Burkwood's been invested. But I contacted you, and you were 58 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:24.680 kind of to reach out to me. We spoke and 59 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:27.879 eventually were again nice enough to let me on your show. 60 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:31.000 And did you ever wind up talking to Monterry. 61 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:32.319 Well? 62 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:35.439 I had spoken to years years ago when I was 63 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:40.199 involved with the investigation with the Berkwitz the Processed Church 64 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:44.560 investigation back probably in nineteen ninety five ninety six. 65 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:47.919 I would sorry, okay, and can you remind us exactly 66 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:50.639 what was your involvement with the investigation of the process Church. 67 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:56.400 Well, at the time, I was working for the NYPG, 68 00:03:56.560 --> 00:03:58.800 working with the I was in the NYPD as a 69 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:03.439 sergeant and I was the Missing Person squad. And what 70 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:05.840 happened was we received the call or I received the 71 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:10.719 call from an inmate at Attica from Attica asking to 72 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:15.000 speak to me. When I went on, when I answered 73 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:19.000 the call, it appeared that this individual, who was an 74 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:23.959 inmate Attica, wanted to give me information regarding his knowledge 75 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:28.079 and I guess you could say involvement with the Processed 76 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:29.399 Church and the. 77 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:35.800 Bur Burke Berklewitz call. And he had a lot of information. 78 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:40.000 We went up to see him, and my involvement stemmed 79 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:42.160 from this initial meeting with this inmate. 80 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:46.439 From Attica, and this was regarding the adoption of a 81 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:47.959 young child in New York City. It was a very 82 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:48.920 high profile case. 83 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:52.480 Yeah, Well, when we went up to when we went 84 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:55.879 up to Attica, I was met by this individual name 85 00:04:56.120 --> 00:04:59.319 his nickname Time, I mean, that's what they called him, because, uh, 86 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:03.079 he was at anything but tiny. He was a really big, 87 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:07.319 kind of an unusual looking dude. And by that I mean, 88 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:10.639 you know, most people we see in the street or 89 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:15.360 we see in everyday life looks somewhat like someone you 90 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:20.240 might know or resembles, you know, someone who's not unusual. 91 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:23.399 Tiny was a different kind of person. He was exceptionally big. 92 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:30.560 He had really really strange looking eyes. You couldn't really 93 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:33.000 tell what nationality or race he was. He was just 94 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:35.120 a strange kind of guy all the way around, not 95 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:37.600 only in looks but in the way he carried himself. 96 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:41.639 And he went on after the initial meeting Coup in Antica, 97 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:47.160 he went on to tell me about how he and 98 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:49.839 he was He was a vice president of a motorcycle 99 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:55.040 gang before being arrested, and how he and his motorcycle 100 00:05:55.439 --> 00:06:00.240 gang or club would do security at houses up in 101 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:03.399 west Chester and Yankes, New York for a cult and 102 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:06.240 that cult was the processed church, and what they would 103 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:08.519 basically do is they would secure the area or the 104 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:14.800 house houses where where the cults was doing. Saying that 105 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:21.040 fans is like sacrifices and just other kind of I 106 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:26.639 don't know, other kind of a cult activities, and eventually 107 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:31.959 him and other members of his biker gang ingratiated themselves 108 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:36.000 with this particular cult in these particular people, and they 109 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:40.160 allowed him and some of his biker guys to come 110 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:45.040 in and join in the activities that this cult was performing. 111 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:49.240 And what kind of information did he give you. 112 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:54.800 Well, the thing the thing initially he had told us 113 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:57.519 about a missing like you like you stayd They've been 114 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:01.319 back in the in the mid to the late seventies, 115 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:06.160 missing kids from New York City, a very high profile case. 116 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:09.439 And in one of the instances where he was doing 117 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:13.040 the security him in his motorcycle gang, he was allowed 118 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:18.519 in and what he observed, according to him, was the 119 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:22.519 high priest of the cult called up this particular kid 120 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:26.199 by name. The kid was led up to the author 121 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:29.800 in this mansion. 122 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:31.199 Up in Westchester young kids. 123 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:34.040 The kid was led up to the author, he was measured, 124 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:37.160 and they performed some kind of ritual on him. And 125 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:41.120 then according to Tiny, who at the time, takes himself 126 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:43.720 out of the situation. In other words, he says he 127 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:47.519 left at this particular time, but he had heard that 128 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:53.160 they sacrificed the young boy on a makeshift author in 129 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:58.920 the house Now that was his initial Our initial conversation 130 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:05.319 was that was his let's say, let's say, the main. 131 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:07.920 Thing that he was going to tell us about his involvement. 132 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:11.439 And then later on he spoke about Berkelewoods and other 133 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:14.759 members of the cult, the process serfs, and the son 134 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:15.480 of Sam killing. 135 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:20.040 Now Tiny told you that this boy who had it 136 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:21.560 was a big story back in New York. That this 137 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:24.279 boy who was abducted had been kept alive for some 138 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:27.160 time and passed around amongst the cult members and then 139 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:30.120 ultimately quite a while later, was killed. 140 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:37.320 Right, Yeah, Yeah, I don't remember exactly, but it was 141 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:42.080 some time later they eventually, uh performed this sacrifice of. 142 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:47.039 The kids and the public. The young boy's body has 143 00:08:47.080 --> 00:08:47.799 never been recovered. 144 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:51.639 No, the boy's body has never been recovered. 145 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:53.320 Okay, I know you don't want to go into details 146 00:08:53.320 --> 00:08:55.320 about this because you're concerned about the boy's family. 147 00:08:57.320 --> 00:09:00.120 Yeah, I still feel that, you know, it's kind of know, 148 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:04.240 you never get over losing a child, obviously, and I 149 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:08.919 think at this point they've they're kind of a piece 150 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:12.360 with with I don't want to say the results, they're 151 00:09:12.399 --> 00:09:15.399 kind of a piece with what they believe happened. So yeah, 152 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:19.440 I'd rather not, I mean, get him get too explicit 153 00:09:19.480 --> 00:09:21.440 on who the missing kid was. 154 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:24.840 What was Tiny's motivation for contacting you and telling you 155 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:25.360 the story. 156 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:30.480 Well, at the time, Tiny was in Attica in jail 157 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:36.000 for sexual abuse of minus I mean being his own children, 158 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:40.639 and he was facing a lot of time. However, he 159 00:09:40.759 --> 00:09:43.639 was up for parole eventually, and he was looking to 160 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:46.879 get out and work with the police and and uh 161 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:48.840 so he was basically looking to work off. 162 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:51.519 Up in Attica. 163 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:56.000 And where is he today today? 164 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:58.639 He's out? He did, he did, We never got on 165 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:03.679 paroled and he did his time. In fact years I 166 00:10:03.799 --> 00:10:07.879 ran into him when when I was actually working in 167 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:14.159 the Secret Service pass Force, one of the other divisions, 168 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:16.279 or one of the other groups in the Secret Service, 169 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:19.080 excuse me, one of the other groups in the Secret 170 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:21.879 Service were doing a case and they had they had 171 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:25.240 an informant that was going to lead them to some 172 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:28.120 kind of counselor thing. Secret Service at the time was 173 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:31.480 under the Treasury, so they worked a lot of counselor cases. 174 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:38.720 They needed somebody to go up with as a Tiny 175 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:41.080 is going to do the buy, but they wanted an 176 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:43.080 agent to go up with them, and they asked me 177 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:46.799 to go up as an undercover with with China. Of 178 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:51.440 course it had been years. It was probably probably I 179 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:53.000 don't know, four or five years later. 180 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:55.679 And I arrive. 181 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:57.200 At the scene and I get in the backseat of 182 00:10:57.200 --> 00:10:58.919 the car, and who's the informant that's going to go 183 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:04.840 make the buy. It's this individual Chiny. And the deal 184 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:08.679 never went went through though, so it never happened. 185 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:11.600 Okay, But now you were working trying to help him 186 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:16.480 get parole. Say that again, Yeah, I thought I heard 187 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:18.840 you saying something like you're trying to help him get parole. 188 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:22.840 We wanted to try to get him parole and see 189 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:25.360 if he could work with us, but it was denied. 190 00:11:25.399 --> 00:11:28.000 Well, the whole case I shut down basically, so we 191 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:30.519 never we never got to we never got him out 192 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:31.039 on parole. 193 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:34.679 Now, okay, and so now I missed it. Did When 194 00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:35.759 was the last time we talked to Tiny? 195 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:40.879 The last time I spoke to Tiny was right after 196 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:46.639 nine to eleven because in jail. So when I met 197 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:50.279 him with Seek the Service, that was probably I want 198 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:54.879 to say, maybe early two thousand and one, maybe maybe 199 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:57.279 at the end of two thousand, uh. 200 00:11:57.559 --> 00:11:58.639 And I took. 201 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:01.480 His number and right after night and he had become 202 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:05.039 a Muslim or you know, his thing was he never 203 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:08.840 really didn't become a Muslim, but in the Can he 204 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:14.600 became a Muslim because they eat better and you know, 205 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:18.639 certain they get privileges that other inmates don't get. So 206 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:20.759 in the Can he was in the places of becoming 207 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:23.639 a Muslim or at least acting like a Muslim. So 208 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:30.000 after then eleven, I remember that he tried to become 209 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:32.480 a Muslim. So I called him up to see if 210 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:34.799 he would be able to work, you know, with the 211 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:39.200 FBI regarding the terrorists, and so I hooked him up with. 212 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:42.320 Some FBI people. 213 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:45.639 Okay, because in September eleventh, two thousand and one, you 214 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:46.320 were still a cop. 215 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:50.080 Yeah, I was a sergeant working at the time with 216 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:51.960 the Secret Service. 217 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:54.440 I was. 218 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:58.200 I was a supervisor for secret with Secret Service. I 219 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:01.039 was the supervisor of what the Cold Electron and Climbed 220 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:04.200 Sales Force and the West African Task Force it was 221 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:07.759 that did the I wasn't in charge of any kind 222 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:11.240 of protection of any kind of dignitaries. It was probably 223 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:13.559 investigation to investigation uns. 224 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:17.799 I guess the West African one was investigating those Nigerian scams. 225 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:21.159 Yes, a lot of Nigerian scams a lot of banks 226 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:22.840 for that kind of stuff. 227 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:23.120 Yeah. 228 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:24.720 Right around that time, I was helping my friend of 229 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:27.759 mine get a passport in the Nigerian They needed a 230 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:30.799 visa stamp in the Nigerian embassy and I went in 231 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:32.200 there and they got ahold of my name and my 232 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:37.960 fax machine number. It's all these facts. But it was 233 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:40.200 before the years of that, you know. I used to 234 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:42.559 do it by facts back in those days. Yeah, but 235 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:44.919 they never got any money out of me. Yeah, but 236 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:46.600 it was they were working right there out of the embassy. 237 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:47.960 They had to because it was the only way they 238 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:49.399 can get my fax number. 239 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:50.399 Right. 240 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:51.840 Oh yeah, absolutely. 241 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:56.159 Okay, Now since we talked last time, you've gone back 242 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:58.240 and you've you've done some more work on this. What 243 00:13:58.279 --> 00:13:59.000 have you been working on? 244 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:05.039 Well, you know, I've started to do a lot more 245 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:07.679 investigation as I've retired, and I kind of hit a 246 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:10.120 lot of walls, a lot of you know, berkeweights in 247 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:13.679 the and his I want to say, his associates or 248 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:15.559 the people he dealt with, a lot of them are 249 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:19.080 dead at this point, are just old and you know, 250 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:22.919 out of New York and so nothing, a lot of 251 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:29.000 dead ends. However, after I was unusual. Last time I 252 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:32.919 gave my email out and I reuslyved the bunch of 253 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:35.960 emails hit on there from people that thought they knew 254 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:37.159 something that could help. 255 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:38.759 Or hope that they could help. 256 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:42.000 But probably the beginning, I want to say, the beginning 257 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:46.279 of last summer, I got a kind of an unusual email. 258 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:52.799 Excuse me. We traded emails a couple of times, and 259 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:55.759 basically it was from an individual that want wanted to meet. 260 00:14:56.919 --> 00:15:00.440 And he was kind of very specific about me coming 261 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:04.679 alone and you know, not recording him. You know, he 262 00:15:04.759 --> 00:15:09.440 was real safe and a little bit hinked up, kind 263 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:10.320 of nervous. 264 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:12.600 So we met over. 265 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:17.679 In the hand at a diner and he gave me 266 00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:23.159 information that well, let me say this, he gave me information. 267 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:24.960 That was verifiable. 268 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:28.960 However, he didn't give me everything, and he said we 269 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:32.000 would meet again. I guess it was more of a 270 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:35.360 feeling out process for him, for him to understand that 271 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:39.399 I wasn't looking to arrest him or have him arrested 272 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:43.279 or have him jammed up. And he was in the 273 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:47.159 he was involved in the in the Processed church, and 274 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:51.320 he was from that west Chester Younkers area. He knew 275 00:15:51.320 --> 00:15:55.440 a lot of individuals. He had forced paths with Berkewoods, 276 00:15:56.600 --> 00:15:59.840 and he actually knew members of the biker gang. 277 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:01.279 He verified himself. 278 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:06.240 About the biker game that I didn't let anyone really know, 279 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:11.039 and so he was he was someone with some kind 280 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:14.879 of intimate knowledge. However, we only met that one time, 281 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:20.000 and I, like I said, he was exceptionally uh nervous 282 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:24.799 and in fact, at the meeting, well, I said, meeting. 283 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:27.080 You know, we were just having coffee after we sat 284 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:30.559 in the diner. When he got up, he kind of 285 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:34.039 wiped down all the instruments utensils he was eating with 286 00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:37.879 with a napkin. So I guess he assumed I was 287 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:41.120 looking to get his fingerprint and identify him, which I 288 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:43.720 would love to have done, but that wasn't my you know, 289 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:45.399 my I wasn't going to do that. I told him, 290 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:47.600 I you know, I wasn't going to try to identify him. 291 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:51.679 But he was just a real nervous, safe kind of guy. 292 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:53.799 And I don't know, we just met that one time, 293 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:55.639 and he has a best up for me. 294 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:58.679 Again, Okay, that's interesting, now, he was you were never 295 00:16:59.000 --> 00:16:59.919 identifying who he was? 296 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:05.119 No, I mean, you know, I told him I wouldn't 297 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:08.519 and I never did, and you know when we're going 298 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:11.880 to meet again, and we never did you know he 299 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:12.920 was going to reach out to me. 300 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:13.759 And we would talk again. 301 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:16.559 He seemed to he seemed to be happy to way 302 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:20.799 the way the meeting went, or the supposed lunch went. 303 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:24.559 But you know, maybe he thought twice about it, or 304 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:26.559 you know, I don't know, to be honest. 305 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:29.160 Okay, So now, and he reached out to you because 306 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:31.000 he heard your email address on this show. 307 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:35.839 Yes, you you allowed me to get my email out 308 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:39.599 and I got you know, I got email from you know, 309 00:17:39.759 --> 00:17:42.440 like anything else, I get emails from people that are 310 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:46.000 just looking to, I don't know, write an email to someone. 311 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:50.000 And some people thought they could help. Others knew they 312 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:52.720 couldn't help and just wanted to write. And he obviously 313 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:56.359 has some hats. And it took a while because this 314 00:17:56.480 --> 00:17:58.119 only happened at the beginning of the summer, which I 315 00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:01.160 think was probably by the years since you and I 316 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:03.880 had spoken, So he held on to or he I 317 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:07.160 guess he had been on emailing me for about a 318 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:08.880 year or so, and then he eventually did it. 319 00:18:09.440 --> 00:18:12.599 Okay, Now, did he tell you that he had spoken 320 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:15.680 to Maury Terry or James Rustein or anything like that 321 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:16.599 or other people. 322 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:20.440 No, no, no, he I you know, he did not 323 00:18:20.559 --> 00:18:22.920 speak to anyone, you know, he told me that. 324 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:25.839 Okay. Now, and since he did an interview here with me, 325 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:27.960 have you done any other any other shows, any other 326 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:29.359 interviews about the top it? 327 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:30.720 No? 328 00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:36.240 Okay, all right now. So then now, after you and 329 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:39.240 I I repeated your show just recently and Jim Rothstein 330 00:18:39.359 --> 00:18:41.799 reached out, did you wind up talking to him? 331 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:43.720 Yeah? I had spoken to Jim. 332 00:18:43.799 --> 00:18:45.200 I don't know if he had remembered. 333 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:51.240 I had spoken to him several times before, you know, uh, 334 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:53.880 before before the SLASHT call, which was I don't know, 335 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:59.079 a couple of weeks ago, and Jim had some you know, 336 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:00.920 had some information was actually helpful. 337 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:03.000 One was an informat that I had. 338 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:07.359 Interviews back in ninety seven, and I couldn't think of 339 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:09.319 the guy's name. You know, a lot of my notes, 340 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:13.119 not a lot, all my notes burned down in the 341 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:17.960 World Trade Center, my office, the Secret Services and seven 342 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:21.960 World Trade Center, so I lost everything, you know, not 343 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:22.720 nothing survived. 344 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:25.119 So there was a couple of. 345 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:29.240 People that I remembered, However, I didn't remember that full 346 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:31.880 names or their addresses. And one of the guys was 347 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:37.640 a guy that Jim, Jim knew his nickname was Ace 348 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:39.480 and he you know, he knew the whole name and 349 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:42.319 Mont he said it. I'm like that, I've been trying 350 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:45.000 to find this guy, but he's since the deceased. 351 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:48.440 Anyway, Okay, well, let's say a little commercial break and 352 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:50.079 we get we get back. We're gonna talk more with 353 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:54.880 Mike Cadella, author of Alphaville nineteen eighty eight. Welcome to 354 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:58.079 Heroin City, and we'll get some more information from Mike 355 00:19:58.119 --> 00:19:59.039 after these messages. 356 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:05.319 And now a word from our sponsors. The Operaman Report 357 00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:09.160 is brought to you by subash Technosis dot com. Subash 358 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:13.440 Technosis is a search engine optimization and website design company. 359 00:20:13.519 --> 00:20:15.680 They're located in India, so you know you're gonna save 360 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:18.480 a lot of money and get top quality service. 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