1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back, and welcome to 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,640 the last episode of the Daredevil season one review. Because 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,199 it is the finale, we have made it many years 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,440 of waiting, many rumors, many set photos, multiple creative teams, 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,480 but we are here to talk about the last episode 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,199 of Daredevil. Born Again. I am the heart fluttering dressed 7 00:00:23,199 --> 00:00:24,160 now and I'm joined by. 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: I Am the Coffee Drinker Kirkland Patzer. 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 3: Hello, I am the Nightgown man Ila mus Nike out. 10 00:00:31,719 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: That's a good one. Yeah, just just us three. Don't 11 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:35,920 know what's going on Taylor. 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 3: There's videos he went to New York to get some 13 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,759 get the pulse of the city, see how things are doing. 14 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,799 Speaker 1: I wouldn't trust if Taylor was one of the people 15 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,960 they recruited to need help for the fight New York. 16 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:48,759 I don't know if that would go well for them. 17 00:00:48,799 --> 00:00:50,640 I saw a video today of him getting beat up, 18 00:00:50,799 --> 00:00:53,039 so I don't know. I got no comment on that. 19 00:00:53,119 --> 00:00:56,240 My lawyers are looking into it. But what we do 20 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:57,960 have going on is lots of stuff here. The heek 21 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:59,960 forst Spot. We're gonna talk about that after the fat 22 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,000 Let's do our overalls big episode, so we'll tell you 23 00:01:03,039 --> 00:01:04,560 more about what we got going on a geek FIRS 24 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:07,640 a little bit later, mister musk, as I said, been 25 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,000 a rocky road. I feel like there's never been an 26 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,400 episode that all of us loved, like like all four 27 00:01:14,439 --> 00:01:16,280 of us. I feel like there's been ebbs and flows 28 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,400 throughout the whole season. So now this is ended. Luckily, 29 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,560 we're you know, last to meet Dylan review a Daredevil finale. 30 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,640 We were like, oh, hopefully they get another season, and 31 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,599 then I was canceled later on. At least we know, hey, 32 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,760 this season two it's coming, It's coming next year. We 33 00:01:29,799 --> 00:01:31,719 already know we got a Punisher special, So at least 34 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,640 there's that where it's say, okay, we know more is 35 00:01:33,719 --> 00:01:36,640 to come. So did this leave you excited for what's 36 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:37,239 more to come? 37 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,799 Speaker 3: Mm hmm Yeah, I mean to answer that question, yes, definitely. 38 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: Uh. 39 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:45,359 Speaker 3: We have a lot unanswered, a lot to do, a 40 00:01:45,359 --> 00:01:47,840 lot to get finished here, so in that way, definitely 41 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,280 excited for the future. You know, I've finished the episode 42 00:01:50,319 --> 00:01:52,040 like six minutes ago, so I feel like I'm gonna 43 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,280 need this convo to bounce off with you guys and 44 00:01:55,319 --> 00:01:57,719 see how I feel at the end. I guess I 45 00:01:57,799 --> 00:02:01,239 was a little a little. I didn't expect that this 46 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,640 episode would tie up all the loose ends, right because 47 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:04,760 we had so much to do. We know, there's a 48 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,280 second season. This is kind of like a season one 49 00:02:06,359 --> 00:02:08,960 two thing that was kind of split. But even then, 50 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,039 I still I still felt like a little unsatisfied with 51 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,560 the ending that we got here. And I think maybe 52 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:15,919 one of the reasons for that is I think this 53 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,479 episode really illustrated to me that like, oh yeah, this 54 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:24,400 show did get kind of rewritten at some point, and 55 00:02:24,439 --> 00:02:27,280 this episode in particular was really where that stood out 56 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,400 to me. Of like, man, this season overall as a 57 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:35,000 whole was really inconsistent, really choppy, or just like it 58 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,120 didn't feel very unified. It felt like we almost got 59 00:02:37,159 --> 00:02:38,960 like three mini seasons in one, but then they were 60 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,639 kind of edited and split in weird orders and all that. 61 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,520 So there are some great moments in this, some really 62 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,479 great dialogue, you know, a couple of characters come back 63 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,039 that I'm a big fan of. But overall, is an 64 00:02:50,039 --> 00:02:52,479 episode I don't know. I guess it just didn't really 65 00:02:53,199 --> 00:02:56,199 it didn't fill my hunger that I want from this, 66 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,319 So yeah, looking forward to that next season, I guess 67 00:02:58,319 --> 00:03:00,879 it is. Is it coming next. I forget if they. 68 00:03:01,319 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, unless there's delays the very thing they've said it's 69 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:06,400 next year, so that's good. 70 00:03:07,039 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 3: I exc had to wait two or three years. I 71 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,280 think I would probably lose a lot of the momentum 72 00:03:11,319 --> 00:03:13,759 on it. But next year's fine, especially with Punisher getting 73 00:03:13,759 --> 00:03:16,560 that special at some point too. So yeah, looking forward 74 00:03:16,599 --> 00:03:19,439 to what's coming next. But uh, I don't know. I'm 75 00:03:19,479 --> 00:03:20,840 curious where you guys are at am I am I 76 00:03:20,879 --> 00:03:23,280 alone here and feeling a little unsatisfied or what's what's 77 00:03:23,319 --> 00:03:23,840 the vibe? 78 00:03:24,199 --> 00:03:26,039 Speaker 1: I usually go last, but I'm gonna go because it's 79 00:03:26,039 --> 00:03:30,240 a good place for me, because I'm I'm more I'm 80 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,439 completely in line with Dylan. But I think I liked 81 00:03:32,439 --> 00:03:35,080 the episode more than you. But I don't think there's 82 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,599 with a shadow of doubt, like this feels very Frankenstein 83 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,520 now not the word. We've seen much worse Frankenstein things 84 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,840 in our day and age, Like, you know, go back 85 00:03:43,879 --> 00:03:45,840 to twenty seventeen when we had to review like the 86 00:03:46,039 --> 00:03:48,879 Zack Snyder Joss Whedon Combo Justice League. You know, like 87 00:03:49,039 --> 00:03:50,919 there's much things out there. It's like, man, this is 88 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,360 this is a mess. This is not a mess. But 89 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,439 it's messy to me. A mess is completely can't be salvaged. 90 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,439 A messy is you won the game, but you got 91 00:03:59,479 --> 00:04:02,240 a couple of injured players, some players got suspended, but 92 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,680 you still won and you're going to the playoffs. And 93 00:04:04,719 --> 00:04:07,319 that's my thing of at least I'm excited for, which 94 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,319 sucks because I don't like saying this feels like a 95 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,879 setup season. But now in retrospect, if we I feel like, 96 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,480 if season two can be the quality of episode eight 97 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,079 to nine, then I feel like I will look back 98 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:22,160 at this season like it was a setup season slash 99 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,480 Disney and Marvel and like a bunch of shit just 100 00:04:24,519 --> 00:04:26,959 trying to figure out like, oh, we're gonna do twenty episodes, 101 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,040 Actually we're not. Oh we're doing this. Oh there's strikes, 102 00:04:29,079 --> 00:04:31,319 Oh we're you know, people don't Frank's not coming back. 103 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,759 Like there's all this kind of mess. I think it's 104 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,519 just gonna represent kind of what happened with this with 105 00:04:36,639 --> 00:04:40,439 Secret Invasion. With I'm trying to think, like a like, 106 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,759 what's a really bad Marvel movie we got out of 107 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,920 the last Little Bunch Journals. No, I don't even think 108 00:04:46,959 --> 00:04:48,160 Good Turn was really bad. I don't have that I 109 00:04:48,199 --> 00:04:50,319 didn't even fail turnals. I'm not even gonna say Captain 110 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,759 America is really bad, but just the same way, if 111 00:04:52,759 --> 00:04:55,040 that feels like, oh, there's a lot going on here 112 00:04:55,079 --> 00:04:57,600 that just doesn't jive right, we talked about because it's reshot, 113 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,839 a bunch over so obviously they all as do reshots, 114 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,720 but these are reshoots, but this era we still got 115 00:05:04,759 --> 00:05:07,759 a couple more coming out with Ironheart and Gosh, What 116 00:05:07,879 --> 00:05:09,920 a wonder Man, So I'm hoping those are a little 117 00:05:09,959 --> 00:05:13,240 more streamlined and we don't feel like a big shuff 118 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,360 but at least the shuffle to me feels good. So 119 00:05:16,959 --> 00:05:19,720 I liked this episode. I think A nine are pretty 120 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,399 equal to me. But it's like firmly like leaps and 121 00:05:23,439 --> 00:05:27,079 bounds anywhere near the Netflix stuff. And I think there's 122 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,920 great character moments here. I think there's a great setup here. 123 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:31,959 I think, just like last week, they delivered on the 124 00:05:31,959 --> 00:05:34,360 intensity of this episode. Sometimes I was like, oh my goodness, like, 125 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,439 what is gonna happen next? Where are we going? Pro 126 00:05:37,519 --> 00:05:39,720 and con for the violence, I think you've seen some 127 00:05:39,759 --> 00:05:42,639 of those gnarliest stuff in this episode more than anything 128 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,319 the ms to you, But it also felt like a 129 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,279 kid who learned to say fuck for the first time. 130 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,600 There is a lot of like cuts and like these 131 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,720 guys are just fucking bleeding waterfalls. It's like it's all 132 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,879 cgi blood. So that's one thing that's still missing is 133 00:05:53,879 --> 00:05:55,319 man the fight scenes are not what they are, but 134 00:05:55,399 --> 00:05:57,279 like there are certain scenes where it's just like, hey, 135 00:05:57,319 --> 00:05:59,279 no one would all they wouldn't just all bleed like this, 136 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,160 Like you don't just every time you poke a person, 137 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,240 it's like all it's like it's not saw. So, like 138 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:06,319 I said, I think there's moments in here that I 139 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,560 got the rock chills, loved it, cannot wait. This actually 140 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,199 feels like it's a part of Daredevil again, like the 141 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,399 Netflix series, but it was a mess to get there, 142 00:06:15,399 --> 00:06:18,360 but we get the finish line. Really, I'm at least 143 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,519 faithful that I think season two, because it's now this 144 00:06:21,639 --> 00:06:24,560 team I think we're gonna get next year will be 145 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:29,000 a great season where this to me is like it's 146 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,639 a fine season with great parts. That's what I would say. So, 147 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,600 mister Patzer, where are you? 148 00:06:35,519 --> 00:06:39,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm pretty positive going forward with what we 149 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,879 got here. I think this was like a just straight 150 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,360 straight from the start to finish. Now that I can 151 00:06:45,439 --> 00:06:48,040 judge it as a whole just a complete setup season. 152 00:06:49,759 --> 00:06:52,240 I think it was Taylor last week when when he 153 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,639 was given his thoughts and he brought up that you 154 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,360 feel like you could just kind of jump into like 155 00:06:57,439 --> 00:07:01,480 episode eight, Yeah, and I I kind of fully agree 156 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,439 with that now. I think looking back on all the episodes, 157 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,800 I think there's like four that I like, really really 158 00:07:07,879 --> 00:07:10,439 like think fondly of, and everything else just kind of 159 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,199 slips through the crack unfortune. I don't think they're like 160 00:07:12,319 --> 00:07:16,079 really bad episodes, but it they just just lack of 161 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,079 interest in comparison to some of the things that we 162 00:07:18,079 --> 00:07:20,560 got here in episode eight and nine. The other one 163 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,480 that I would shout out is like the first Frank 164 00:07:23,079 --> 00:07:25,839 episode when he's all grizzled and like just just great 165 00:07:25,879 --> 00:07:27,040 back and forth between Yeah. 166 00:07:27,079 --> 00:07:29,839 Speaker 1: It's like you could watch one eight nine and then 167 00:07:29,959 --> 00:07:32,399 just splice in Frank's scene with yeah, and that's all 168 00:07:32,439 --> 00:07:34,000 you need, which is not a great thing to say 169 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,040 about a show, right. 170 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: And I'm a big fan of that Court episode episode three, 171 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,079 So I would make you one. But it's not like 172 00:07:39,319 --> 00:07:41,600 it's not like critical to the overall story, So I 173 00:07:41,879 --> 00:07:44,199 guess you could win that argument there. But yeah, like 174 00:07:44,399 --> 00:07:47,800 it is unfortunate looking back that, Yeah, I really am 175 00:07:47,879 --> 00:07:51,199 just kind of interested in like these back few episodes, 176 00:07:51,199 --> 00:07:53,439 which is a really real big positive going into next 177 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:56,120 season because if I'm not mistaken, it's like this team 178 00:07:56,279 --> 00:07:59,439 kind of it's team going forward, so that's really exciting. 179 00:08:00,199 --> 00:08:02,160 I think some things that were shown here though, it 180 00:08:02,199 --> 00:08:04,160 really just made me like look back on, like, man, 181 00:08:04,199 --> 00:08:07,079 what could have been, you know, for this first season, 182 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:09,519 which was just some of the pieces that were in 183 00:08:09,519 --> 00:08:11,600 play in these last two episodes. So that's a little 184 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,600 bit unfortunate, But overall, I still think what they do well, 185 00:08:14,639 --> 00:08:18,160 they do extremely well. Like, yeah, all of the performances 186 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,439 were just fantastic. Oh tip Field and the chat there 187 00:08:20,439 --> 00:08:24,360 you go. Yeah, No, I think it is a real 188 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,800 positive episode. Like pretty much this one and last week's 189 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,000 are probably like tie for me on just the quality 190 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,919 and my enjoyment together. So it's nice to end on 191 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,799 a positive. But as you brought up, Dylan, like I 192 00:08:37,879 --> 00:08:42,519 definitely felt a little bit just wanting more like like 193 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,919 once we get kind of near the end, I want 194 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,120 to say, like the last like fifteen minutes, I like pause, 195 00:08:47,279 --> 00:08:49,559 it was like, oh no, like we're really not going 196 00:08:49,639 --> 00:08:52,360 to get any answers here, And I think part of 197 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:54,759 me like subconsciously knew that that was gonna be the case, 198 00:08:54,799 --> 00:08:57,080 because this isn't a season one and two thing that 199 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,720 there would have been a lot to really like wrap 200 00:08:59,799 --> 00:09:02,159 up in this last episode. So I am glad that 201 00:09:02,159 --> 00:09:03,799 they didn't try to do that because it would have 202 00:09:03,879 --> 00:09:08,759 just felt really forced, like a classic Disney plus MCU show. Ope, 203 00:09:08,799 --> 00:09:11,320 and now it usually is. Yeah, So yeah, no, I 204 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,639 am really positive going forward. But yeah, now that it's 205 00:09:14,639 --> 00:09:17,679 all done, I feel a lot more just kind of 206 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,360 certain with where I would be ranking this overall. I'll 207 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:21,480 save that number till the end. 208 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: Plu's like, I don't think it's big spots to say, 209 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,159 We've all kind of alluded to it. They leave a 210 00:09:25,159 --> 00:09:27,879 lot of things open. That's not a Daredevil thing. Dared 211 00:09:27,919 --> 00:09:30,000 Devil's never really done that, right, you look at all 212 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,320 three seasons of the show, it kind of wraps up. 213 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,360 They leave some stuff that you could pick up on, 214 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,200 but you really could end it there be like most 215 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,360 of the time it's Matt and the Friends win right. 216 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,559 Season one they take down Kingpin. Season two they take 217 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,679 down the Hand. Sure, you lose Electra, but it's like 218 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,080 well that sucks for Matt. Moving on season three, they 219 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,279 take down Kingpin moving on, and it's like, oh, the 220 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:51,799 same thing. It's like, oh, boles Aye still out there. 221 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,120 But you wouldn't have to pick that up, right, You'd 222 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,159 be like, oh, well he just got Daredevil beat him 223 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:56,799 up one time he went back into prison where this 224 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,759 is the first time where it's like, no, there's multiple 225 00:09:59,759 --> 00:10:02,399 bits moments, and I wouldn't say like, the good guys 226 00:10:02,399 --> 00:10:04,720 are winning per se. It's not a clean like okay, 227 00:10:04,759 --> 00:10:07,000 here we go. We you know, I think the quality 228 00:10:07,039 --> 00:10:10,120 won the game. Good guys certainly not. But anything else 229 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,559 non spoilers before we dive deeper. I feel like we're edging. 230 00:10:14,799 --> 00:10:15,039 Speaker 2: Edge. 231 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: All right, Well we're about to edge over this ad break, 232 00:10:18,039 --> 00:10:20,759 so once we do that, we'll be into spoilers, so 233 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,399 the gloves will be off. Well, we were back, and 234 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,360 we're back. And if you didn't want that ad break, 235 00:10:27,399 --> 00:10:30,159 if you didn't, if you're not on Edger, joinpatreon dot com. 236 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,159 Because we don't add Patreon, we don't edge you. We 237 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,399 give you the full wanty over there ad free episodes, 238 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,600 many exclusive episodes. You usually get at least two a month. 239 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,080 You got after nine April twenty six, we're doing our 240 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,279 movie night ak Day, twelve pm PST. 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And then yeah, me and the Gimmick 263 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,679 Boys reviewing WrestleMania one or sorry, Night one and Night 264 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,240 two this weekend, So look out for that. Where should 265 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,799 we start. We're in the spoilers territory territory for Born 266 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:57,519 Again finale. Where do we want to go? Let me? 267 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 3: Let me bring up our our good friend Karen here. 268 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,399 So this is one of those things I mentioned where 269 00:12:02,399 --> 00:12:05,000 it's like the fact that she's just in the first episode, 270 00:12:05,039 --> 00:12:06,600 in this episode and then I just kind of nowhere 271 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,279 in the middle and just kind of shows up out 272 00:12:08,279 --> 00:12:10,679 of nowhere. Is one of those things that feels kind 273 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,200 of weird, but at the same time, I love the 274 00:12:12,279 --> 00:12:14,399 character so much in the actress, I think it's fantastic, 275 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,639 so like, yeah, I'll take any care and I can 276 00:12:16,639 --> 00:12:18,600 get I think she gets some really good scenes in here. 277 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,200 But it is like one of those things that felt 278 00:12:20,279 --> 00:12:23,120 very random at the same time, and I don't think 279 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,360 I was really ready to predict that. I kind of 280 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,559 felt like she was off in the Nethers and she 281 00:12:27,639 --> 00:12:30,679 was gonna come back for season two, so interesting to 282 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,279 get her here. I like, I would be set up 283 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,039 like the way we're set up here, Like I feel 284 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,159 like she'll be a very crucial part of the second 285 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,440 season of this. Do you guys, I think, do you 286 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:40,120 guys agree with that? 287 00:12:41,039 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: I think also just as the show I saw other 288 00:12:43,519 --> 00:12:45,600 with Mike and our discord, it just now feels like 289 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,360 we talked about last week. It actually feels like a 290 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,399 direct continuation of season three versus before it was just 291 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,879 Daredevil and Kingpin in like they're in New York, but 292 00:12:54,879 --> 00:12:56,440 it almost felt like they're in a different city. You 293 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,840 could just say, Oh, they've moved and here they are now. 294 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,440 It feels even I know Foggy's been a big theme, 295 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,000 but it feels like there's a lot of Foggy talk 296 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,480 this episode as well. So it just feels like it's 297 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,080 actually the show. And if it is actually show, for 298 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,679 our Karen should be back for this, So I think 299 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,480 she'll be She'll be a big side character because I 300 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,480 don't even know if Matt's gonna like is Matt a 301 00:13:16,519 --> 00:13:17,120 lawyer now? 302 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,159 Speaker 3: Like, I don't think we'll see much lawyering occurring but 303 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:22,519 can he. 304 00:13:22,519 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: Even be Matt Murdoch, Like what is the when all 305 00:13:25,039 --> 00:13:26,799 that went down? And then they find a bunch of 306 00:13:26,799 --> 00:13:30,679 dead cops in his house, like like how can he 307 00:13:30,759 --> 00:13:31,120 go back? 308 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 2: Like and even then when was like a big explosion. 309 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,200 So it's just like the evidence is kind of gone there, 310 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,519 but like there's still corpses. 311 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,639 Speaker 1: Were all these cops doing in this building? You know, 312 00:13:40,919 --> 00:13:45,159 Like it's just it's just curious what they're gonna do there. 313 00:13:45,159 --> 00:13:47,639 I just feel like, same thing we always talked about it. 314 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,559 Last week, right we said, Okay, maybe Fisk Matt saving 315 00:13:51,639 --> 00:13:54,279 Fist will be like Fist will have a come to Jesus, 316 00:13:54,279 --> 00:13:57,480 won't being I'll respect Matt. I'm not you know, I'm 317 00:13:57,519 --> 00:13:59,480 gonna take you down, but I'm not gonna reveal your identity, 318 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,720 right because you save my life. You owe me. The 319 00:14:01,759 --> 00:14:04,440 first time they approach the subject him and Buck, he's like, oh, 320 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,919 it's a shame, we should take this opportunity to kill him, 321 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,559 and it's like, oh, okay, so one makes match is 322 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,039 like a fucking idiot. But That's where I'm just like, 323 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:17,279 now I really don't if next season doesn't start with hey, everybody, 324 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,679 Matt Murdoch's stare level, How do you like, why would 325 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,759 Fisk even be hiding that now? Is what does he 326 00:14:22,799 --> 00:14:25,080 have to gain by not giving it out there? It 327 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,759 felt I'm I guess that's not a negative. I'm just 328 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:30,639 I'll have to wait till next year to see how 329 00:14:30,639 --> 00:14:31,480 they answer that for me. 330 00:14:31,879 --> 00:14:33,519 Speaker 3: I guess if he does that, then that kind of 331 00:14:33,559 --> 00:14:37,480 like the people of New York still look at Daredevil 332 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:39,399 in like a very positive light. So if he's doing 333 00:14:39,399 --> 00:14:41,559 this thing and he's trying to like find dared Devil, 334 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,120 hunt him down and use a public to help track 335 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:45,600 him down, I feel like that would not go over 336 00:14:45,679 --> 00:14:48,519 well with the public. That would like turn them against him, 337 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,159 or it would turn like a certain amount of people 338 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:50,720 against him. 339 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, but then you got the fifth supporters that would 340 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,840 be like, if they see Matt Murdoch, they're gonna call 341 00:14:54,879 --> 00:14:56,759 the task for us, right and be oh, I just 342 00:14:56,759 --> 00:14:59,080 saw her to shoot him or to shoot him, yeah, 343 00:14:59,080 --> 00:14:59,440 if you see. 344 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,399 Speaker 3: I feel like that's kind of already the case with like, 345 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,240 you know, cops on every corner, these corrupt cops. So 346 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,039 I feel like he's already kind of got those eyes 347 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:08,039 and ears that he needs. 348 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,759 Speaker 1: So then do you think he would tell the task 349 00:15:10,799 --> 00:15:15,639 Force that Matt Murdoch is Daredevil, because why shouldn't they know, 350 00:15:15,759 --> 00:15:18,159 right like this thing, like if Matt is just doing 351 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:18,799 his law and I. 352 00:15:18,759 --> 00:15:20,759 Speaker 3: Guess they kind of already do if they went to 353 00:15:20,799 --> 00:15:23,759 his apartment and stuff, right like some yeah Schakman other 354 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,240 already did so in theory like they all do, and 355 00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:27,879 they were all like they're on the radio, like hey, 356 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:29,519 calling for backup and stuff. 357 00:15:30,159 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: But even then they refer to them separately. They said 358 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,240 daredubl and Punisher and gone, and so is Matt Murdoch 359 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,759 and Karen Page or I think they said the blonde Lady, 360 00:15:37,879 --> 00:15:41,879 So they still talk about them separately. So I just 361 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:43,759 I just don't know if we get to a case 362 00:15:43,759 --> 00:15:46,039 where he's in a court case or doing something. I 363 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,279 just don't find that believable this time around, that Matt 364 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,080 Murdock can do Matt Murdoch things for the time while 365 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:52,679 Fisk's top guy. 366 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I think everything around the way that 367 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,120 that was tackled is kind of just like a full 368 00:15:59,159 --> 00:16:01,480 on negative for me, just just the way that it 369 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,840 played out of like the way that it ended last 370 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,039 week's episode with Matt jumping in front of that bullet, 371 00:16:07,039 --> 00:16:09,600 Like that is such a massive, big moment, and like 372 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,120 the biggest thing that comes out of it is Kingpin's like, Oh, well, 373 00:16:13,159 --> 00:16:14,759 now he's vulnerable, so we can just kind of like 374 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,759 fucking take the pillow and just snuff him out in 375 00:16:17,799 --> 00:16:21,480 the hospital bed. Like it just seems so unplanned by 376 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,279 like a writing standpoint, Like I thought he was gonna 377 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,440 have a lot more of just significant like maybe Kingpin 378 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,360 is like, wow, he actually is like a true ally 379 00:16:29,519 --> 00:16:31,559 or something, and like this, I thought he was gonna. 380 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,879 Speaker 1: Be pitching to bring him over. Because when he's like, oh, 381 00:16:33,879 --> 00:16:36,120 we can use this, I'm like, oh, are they gonna 382 00:16:36,159 --> 00:16:37,840 use Like I don't think that would ever join it, 383 00:16:37,879 --> 00:16:39,440 but are they gonna kind of do some sort of 384 00:16:39,519 --> 00:16:42,879 truce and like have to work together? And that didn't happen. 385 00:16:42,879 --> 00:16:44,480 But when he's like, oh we could use this, I'm like, 386 00:16:44,679 --> 00:16:47,759 oh my god, what's Or if thisisk like had a 387 00:16:47,799 --> 00:16:49,720 weird joker thing where he's like, oh, he saved me, 388 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,960 like he wants to be with us, Like but no, 389 00:16:52,039 --> 00:16:52,600 we didn't. 390 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: Go and this without each other. 391 00:16:53,879 --> 00:16:56,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it didn't. It didn't affect Matt either, Like 392 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,679 sure he held his shoulder a couple of times, but 393 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,519 he was saying there about it. 394 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know why 395 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:03,519 I did it. I guess it's just instinct, like you 396 00:17:03,679 --> 00:17:05,759 just heard a gun chuckle off and went yeah. Like 397 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,559 it was so like really like this is the best 398 00:17:08,559 --> 00:17:10,920 we can do here for the finale. Like I for me, 399 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:12,640 that was like one of the lowest points of this 400 00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:15,119 entire episode honestly, and it definitely brings down like the 401 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:15,839 season for me. 402 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: And I mean even just from a physical standpoint, You're 403 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,400 right about like he's like, I don't really know, Like 404 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,480 we didn't get many answers. Even Frank's like, why'd you 405 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,519 save that asshole? I was like, just just doing the right. 406 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 2: Thing, you know. 407 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, He's like, I don't know, which I was a 408 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,200 really good answer, actually yeah. 409 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: But then he I meant physically, other than like holding 410 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,680 his side, he was fine. I last week we talked 411 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,720 about I was like, oh, maybe they'll jump like a 412 00:17:39,759 --> 00:17:41,480 couple of weeks ahead, just to be like, Okay, it's 413 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,400 not fully healed, but like he's someone he'll same night 414 00:17:44,519 --> 00:17:47,759 he's in there, him and Frank jump off a balcony. 415 00:17:48,079 --> 00:17:50,880 He holds Frank with the side he got shot. Yeah, 416 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,319 in my mind, you'd hold Frank in the second he'd 417 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,079 grab oh and let Frank go. 418 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 3: But no, he was completely like it was a fucking 419 00:17:58,039 --> 00:18:01,200 sniper rifle that he got hit by some rinkingting pistol 420 00:18:01,279 --> 00:18:04,119 that like, you know, Frank took like seventeen pistol shots 421 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,200 in this episode, like this, this was a sniper rifle. Yeah, 422 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,920 from bullseye, So that should have done more damage because 423 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,480 he's only in the hospital for mere hours before he's 424 00:18:13,519 --> 00:18:15,279 already yeah, up and out of there. 425 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,559 Speaker 1: Twelve I don't even want to say twelve hours, but 426 00:18:18,599 --> 00:18:21,400 that's like the max I'd give it, because Keepinsel's fucking 427 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,359 blood on his jacket and suit while he's doing half 428 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,079 of these scenes, and Matt's like, which awesome, awesome moment 429 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,240 in the hospital because fuck Yeather, she's go Matka and 430 00:18:30,839 --> 00:18:35,680 Karen Karen Yeah, and his boyfriend's like, oh, it's just 431 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,480 the drugs, just the drugs and anything like that. But uh, 432 00:18:39,759 --> 00:18:41,799 let's talk about either quickly because they're not much to say. 433 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,880 Matt or Mike said this in the discord. I'm happy 434 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,559 it happened. She's with Fisk. I'm fine with her just 435 00:18:47,599 --> 00:18:49,759 being yeah, she's a bad guy now, or she might 436 00:18:49,799 --> 00:18:52,079 have like a because she seemed a little uneasy even 437 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,160 shaking his hand. I think eventually should have like a 438 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,160 baby face turn. But I'm fine with now because on 439 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,160 her neck, Yeah, the no tramp snamp of the I'm 440 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,720 not sure it's gonna be right there, but like it's 441 00:19:02,759 --> 00:19:06,240 just for me, even this again in this episode, she's like, oh, well, 442 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:08,519 you know, they did try to shoot at Fisk. It's 443 00:19:08,519 --> 00:19:10,559 like that doesn't mean he's a good guy. Like that 444 00:19:10,599 --> 00:19:14,079 means literally nothing, Like Okay, find that shooter and ask 445 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,599 him why he's shooting at Fisk. Like it's just I 446 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,559 hate how they've written this character so honestly, like I'm 447 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,880 fine if she's just with Fisk and at some point 448 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,839 Frank guns are down, Like they've made me not care 449 00:19:23,839 --> 00:19:27,680 about Heather at all. So I'm glad that it's weird. 450 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,880 I guess they don't even break up. I guess they're 451 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,359 just no, you know, just done. You know. 452 00:19:32,759 --> 00:19:34,839 Speaker 2: So that's what was bugging me, is like, hey, this 453 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:36,480 is gonna be the moment like Matt just tell her 454 00:19:36,519 --> 00:19:38,799 a fuck off, Like I think we should see other 455 00:19:38,839 --> 00:19:41,119 people just do it right here in this scene and 456 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,400 then I'll talk to you and your head's right, and 457 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,480 then she like stops out of there. Whatever she said 458 00:19:45,599 --> 00:19:49,279 is just Yeah, she's such an annoying character, and I like, 459 00:19:50,279 --> 00:19:52,240 I feel like I just don't even like her scenes. 460 00:19:52,279 --> 00:19:54,240 So I almost feel like next season they should just 461 00:19:54,319 --> 00:19:56,240 go over the top with her even more, like make 462 00:19:56,279 --> 00:19:59,039 her like a mustache Totley villain. I agree, like making 463 00:19:59,079 --> 00:20:01,559 like mind control sea room for Kingpin or something. I 464 00:20:01,599 --> 00:20:03,000 don't know what it is, but. 465 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 3: She's the next muse. 466 00:20:06,079 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 2: Ye. 467 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,839 Speaker 1: Did you know I took chemistry in high school films? Yeah? 468 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,920 But yeah, anything it's saying Heather there, Dylan. 469 00:20:13,519 --> 00:20:17,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feeling really weird about this character. Like this 470 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,640 is like I knew she was a defender, but I 471 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,440 think I thought that not a defender in the way 472 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:22,920 that like Matt and the rest of the crew in 473 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,359 the Netflix season ever watched that show, Yeah, I gotta 474 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,160 go back to c she makes some mind control potion. 475 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,440 But yeah, like the whole season when we've had this 476 00:20:33,519 --> 00:20:37,000 tension where she well obviously was doing the therapy with them, 477 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,920 but he didn't know about that for most of it, 478 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,559 and then he was trying to coox that information out 479 00:20:40,559 --> 00:20:42,079 of I think it was mostly his last episode when 480 00:20:42,079 --> 00:20:43,799 he was doing that, and so we're kind of getting 481 00:20:43,799 --> 00:20:45,880 this like tension drama. I never really thought that was 482 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,960 gonna lead to her teaming up with Fisk, and so 483 00:20:49,039 --> 00:20:52,000 that was maybe like the biggest plot twist of this 484 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:53,839 episode for me, which is why I think like most 485 00:20:53,839 --> 00:20:56,240 of this episode was kind of by the numbers and 486 00:20:56,279 --> 00:20:58,720 we kind of you know, Travis, you were like, oh, 487 00:20:58,759 --> 00:21:01,000 Commission's definitely dead. Yeah, He's like, there's just a lot 488 00:21:01,039 --> 00:21:03,039 of things that we kind of saw coming other than 489 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:05,599 you know, Karen didn't really see her coming back, but yeah, 490 00:21:05,599 --> 00:21:09,160 this other thing is a surprising one too. But it's like, 491 00:21:09,519 --> 00:21:11,880 I don't know, it'll be like, from what we've seen 492 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,319 she had doesn't really have any like evil side to her. 493 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,319 She's not like a villain in any sense of the word. Right, 494 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,839 So I'm like, I feel like, you can't really be 495 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,039 part of fisks team for more than like two days 496 00:21:24,079 --> 00:21:27,400 before you see all the corruption and shitty things it does. 497 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,319 So it's like, is she just like, are we gonna 498 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,799 get that that turn where she is just actually evil? 499 00:21:32,039 --> 00:21:34,599 To me, that would be really out of character for her. 500 00:21:34,599 --> 00:21:36,400 It wouldn't really make any sense like she seems like 501 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,319 she is a good person, and like she the concern 502 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,400 she has for like against you know, the vigilantes is 503 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,680 maybe a little overblown, but it like there is some 504 00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:46,359 validity to it as well. So I don't know. I 505 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,519 I it it is a kind of surprising thing, and 506 00:21:49,519 --> 00:21:51,200 I'm really curious what route we're gonna go with this. 507 00:21:51,279 --> 00:21:53,480 But I just don't know what kind of like tension 508 00:21:53,519 --> 00:21:55,880 we can get because I feel like once Matt sees that, oh, 509 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,759 you're close to Fisk, like I feel like that's when 510 00:21:57,759 --> 00:22:00,640 he would want to tell her more meaningful information. But 511 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,440 maybe she just won't even hear him out anymore. 512 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: Like I just feel like, just lay a bunch of 513 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,160 stuff on the line. But no, I kind of agree, 514 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:08,559 like just. 515 00:22:08,519 --> 00:22:10,519 Speaker 3: To protect her right, like give her all this infos, 516 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,000 like so you got to get out of there, like 517 00:22:12,319 --> 00:22:14,240 trust me, like and don't just trust me now like 518 00:22:14,279 --> 00:22:16,319 here's actual tangible evidence. 519 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can't say I'm daredevil because she'd probably 520 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:20,680 be like. 521 00:22:20,079 --> 00:22:22,799 Speaker 2: Like, just muse him myself. 522 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 523 00:22:23,279 --> 00:22:26,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I agree. Also, didn't hear him to drop 524 00:22:26,519 --> 00:22:27,960 an F bomb, But I agree with Kirklam that I 525 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,319 wish something happened in the hospital and he's just like, hey, 526 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,279 if you're with Fisku, I can't be with you, like 527 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,000 and it's either me or him, and if she chooses him, 528 00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:36,720 then she can may that's something she can talk about 529 00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:39,039 later on that she regrets it if we pick up 530 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,240 with season two, and like I said, I don't want 531 00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:43,759 him to be doing lawyer things. As much as Kirkland's 532 00:22:43,759 --> 00:22:45,680 gonna hate this and Taylor hate this too, he's listening 533 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,759 to it. I do feel like they should kind of 534 00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:50,759 do like season three where Matt Murdley, like he was 535 00:22:50,759 --> 00:22:52,960 never Matt Murdock, he was just daredevil, like hanging on 536 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,599 the church. They should kind of do that again where 537 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,839 he's just Daredevil and Josie because I just feel like 538 00:22:58,079 --> 00:23:00,640 if he's being a lawyer and if I him and 539 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,160 Heather trying to make it work while she's work, like 540 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,640 I do not need some relationship drawing. Well oh well, 541 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,279 you know, fisk gives a bad guy and work with 542 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,799 him is very dangerous. Like, no, a second she's working 543 00:23:10,839 --> 00:23:12,480 with this, that's it. I'm done, like even for his 544 00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:15,400 safety or karen safety, like I can't be with you like, 545 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,160 so I really hope they do just kind of As 546 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,319 much as that's kind of annoying, it feels like this 547 00:23:20,599 --> 00:23:23,200 did like parts of the show did copy season three. 548 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,480 I'm kind of saying, do it again and just have 549 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,359 him mostly be Daredevil because that's what happened everyone. They 550 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,599 didn't say Matt Murdock was dead season three, just that 551 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,839 he had left town and same thing. Maybe you can 552 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,599 do this where that house explosion, people think Matt Murdock's dead, 553 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,119 but X Y and Z. So it's like, maybe that's 554 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,400 why Fist doesn't even have to say Matt Murdock is 555 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,359 Daredevil because if he's missing, then well maybe Fist does 556 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,680 think he's dead. Maybe he's all bring the Shadows or whatever. 557 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,240 There's no point to bring Matt Murdock down because he 558 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,440 doesn't exist. So I'm kind of hoping they go that 559 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,559 way and he's just like living at Josies for a 560 00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:53,279 little bit. You know. 561 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 2: I didn't love how it was done in like the 562 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,960 previous show, but I think it really fits where we're 563 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,079 at right now, especially with just like Fisk having like 564 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,400 his city state thing that he's forming, Like it just 565 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,440 seems like we're at the point where it's like, yeah, 566 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,680 like like don't focus on your day job here, Matt 567 00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:11,400 like like, we need you in the in the mask, 568 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,000 like from this point going forward, and cause it really 569 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:17,039 feels like we're in the middle of a war, like 570 00:24:17,079 --> 00:24:19,680 we have fists with like his full on army. Uh, 571 00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:22,519 they've already mentioned like Matt's kind of assembling his army 572 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:25,039 with his ragg Tak crew. They need to get some 573 00:24:25,079 --> 00:24:28,519 more members because it looks pretty one sided right now. 574 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,599 Speaker 1: People. If you look at that crew are fucking banging 575 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:34,680 and get iron fists back. It's like to me, like, 576 00:24:34,759 --> 00:24:36,519 you got to go on the one cop I can't 577 00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:39,839 remember his name that left him already Jerry. You got 578 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,960 the one bank cop who I'm not a fan of. 579 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,440 You got two random cops who have never met over 580 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,319 here that are just like in uniform. And then you 581 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,680 got Josie, who I'm sure Josie is like just gonna 582 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,400 be like, hey, you can use this as a base. 583 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,000 But still it's like this is the worst team ever, 584 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,880 like us like take out Daredevil. US four could go 585 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,880 defend New or better than maybe some of these people. 586 00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:02,599 I was just like, like, what's Cherry gonna do? What's 587 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,400 what's he really gonna do in this situation, Fiscus like 588 00:25:05,599 --> 00:25:08,519 they've captured Frank Castle at least if Frank Castle's in 589 00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:10,799 that room, you like, hey, he counts as ten, you know, 590 00:25:11,079 --> 00:25:13,680 but he's not even there, so it's like, what are 591 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,720 we gonna do? So I do think, like I think 592 00:25:16,759 --> 00:25:19,039 a couple of weeks ago Terror and didn't do that newscast, 593 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:21,440 but the Defender rumors in next season. I do think 594 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,880 that's where you get Jones. You'll get a lot of them. 595 00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:26,799 What you get Heather Well, I think Jones is for sure, 596 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,680 and then I think, uh, White Tiger, like the niece 597 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,519 becomes like that hero. So that's too right there. I'm 598 00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:36,480 hoping Cage and Iron Fist, and this is where I 599 00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:39,359 know you can't. It just fucking sucks. And I'm very 600 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,599 curious what they're gonna do with the movie. I don't 601 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,440 know how you have a Spider Man movie in New 602 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:46,960 York and all this is going on and it's not 603 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:49,559 even mentioned, And I hope it is, because it's just 604 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:53,440 very odd that same thing, as like knowing Home to 605 00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:56,799 This ends with Peter Parker is no longer there. I'm 606 00:25:56,839 --> 00:25:58,880 just gonna be Spider Man, I'm gonna be crime fighter. 607 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,960 The city is other than maybe when the Shatari attack 608 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,000 is in the worst state possible right now, a merafis 609 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,839 and what's Spider Man doing? And that's why I hope 610 00:26:06,839 --> 00:26:09,119 in Spider Man for he is like in a different 611 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,000 multivers or somewhere, because if he's in New York, just like, oh, 612 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,920 I'm looking after Vulture, it's like, yeah, but what about Fisk. Dude, 613 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,200 Like he's literally squashing cops heads like melons, like and 614 00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:20,480 guess what. Spider Man could probably have this wrapped up 615 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,400 in like a day or two, you know, he just 616 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,640 like he's a superpower being his Spider Set's like he's 617 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,279 gonna be able to beat the fuck out of Fisk, 618 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,480 like he's a super powered Avenger. He could help, but 619 00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:33,440 he'll get Frank out of there like nothing. He's gonna 620 00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:36,440 come in web them. Frank's oh, like in the sky 621 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,799 like easy. But that's what sucks is it feels, you know, 622 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:43,920 I get why Thor's not there, I get why CAP's 623 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,000 not there, but for Spider Man, it's like this is 624 00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:48,039 gonna be a tough pills wall. In Spider Man for 625 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,000 if he's just like, oh, mister Negative has some bad 626 00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:53,440 charity like funds and I'm looking after it. It's just 627 00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:56,519 I don't know, it's it's a weird it's. 628 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 3: The release state of these bad boys again though, like. 629 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: Spider on the show, spec of which of this. 630 00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 3: What's coming first season two or a Spider Man. 631 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: We don't know currently, So your point could be that 632 00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:09,000 maybe they wrap this up before, but even then, like 633 00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:10,799 where was he during all this? You know, what was 634 00:27:10,839 --> 00:27:12,119 Peter Parker doing right now? 635 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? 636 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:13,599 Speaker 3: I don't know. 637 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: Well, the city's like they're they're kind of the power, 638 00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:17,160 They're not like. 639 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 3: He was caught up in That's that's the truth answer. 640 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, delivering shit, Yeah. 641 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 3: I I yeah. Kind of two thoughts here, Like, I mean, yeah, 642 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,039 it really does not make a whole lot of sense 643 00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:30,799 that he could be just hitting up the lawyer the 644 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,480 court system again to like solve this problem just with like, 645 00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:37,119 you know, the context of everything that's going gone on here. 646 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,359 But at the same time, like they did go to 647 00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:42,119 Foggy's locker and they were like getting all this information 648 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,680 and then they're like doing a stake out and stuff. 649 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,920 So it makes me wonder what the process is gonna 650 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,000 be there. But I think, like who would he want 651 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:50,279 to defend at this point? Obviously when Hector got taken 652 00:27:50,279 --> 00:27:52,599 hose because he was a vigilante. There's more there, but 653 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,599 like I would be worried if I was Matt to 654 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,960 defend anyone right now, because like I just don't know 655 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,119 what Fisk and his cronies would do to them, uh, 656 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,359 you know, and just do anything like stop his career 657 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,759 from happening. I mean that is, even if like Matt 658 00:28:05,799 --> 00:28:07,480 could get in a court room without just getting shot. 659 00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:09,880 At at this point, like it seems like he's just 660 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,000 like enemy number one and they at any moment they 661 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,640 just do another blackout and like try and kill him 662 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,480 right in a way that's he's really easy to hide 663 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,720 the crime and all that. So especially now that they 664 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,200 could frame him as like oh this what he is, 665 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,000 actually dareduvil, here's all this proof, and we gunned him down. 666 00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:27,640 We got rid of this evil vigilante. So I don't know, 667 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,799 I yeah, I feel like it'd be pretty hard pill 668 00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:31,400 to swallow if we're actually getting like any of those 669 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,160 downtime episodes. I feel like there's so much to do 670 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,559 that like and even have room for like a filler episode, 671 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,759 let alone, like you know, some semi plot progression like 672 00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:42,079 lawyer stuff, Like I feel like we're not really not 673 00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:44,839 really going to get that. Do you think he recruits 674 00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:47,160 she Hulk as a member of the army. 675 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,839 Speaker 1: Calls? I don't think she fits in this show unfortunately. 676 00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:54,680 I think it's too serious. I would love them to 677 00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:57,720 change up that that drama curve and just show, Hey, 678 00:28:57,759 --> 00:28:59,599 she could do that, because Tatiana is a great act. 679 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,799 Speaker 3: What if she Hulk but Melon's Kingpin's head and that's 680 00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:03,440 the end of the sea. 681 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, and she's joking about it while 682 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,680 she's doing it, like breaking the fourth wall. But no, 683 00:29:09,759 --> 00:29:11,400 I don't. I don't think so. I think he might 684 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:17,319 see Scar before che huwk. You know, so, I will 685 00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:19,319 say to you, I don't think this. I could be 686 00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:20,880 pulling this out of my ass, but I think next 687 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,119 year is one episode shorter as well. I think it's 688 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,119 eight episodes. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty positive 689 00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:26,680 on that fact. 690 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 3: Well, we can take the bank episode out of this season. 691 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,039 It was pretty much eight episodes long. 692 00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, correctly seen che Hulk. Uh No. 693 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 2: I would love it, but it maybe like after the season, 694 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,119 if we get a third season, you know, when they 695 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,240 dispatch with Kingpin and we can go back to life 696 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,640 as it once was before the mayor Old Kingpin. 697 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, well maybe he calls her in to do the 698 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,559 lawyering while he goes and does the does the vigilante. 699 00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:56,319 Speaker 2: I would like that. I would like that because I'm 700 00:29:56,319 --> 00:30:00,440 really not like attached to like any people around like 701 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:04,359 Matt on the lawyer side, like we never know her name, Kirk, Kirsten, 702 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:09,039 Kristen whatever is like partner. I just liked his his 703 00:30:09,119 --> 00:30:11,519 other compatriots in the previous show. I think that's why 704 00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:13,599 I was more attached to that lawyer side of the show. 705 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,319 And it was probably just done better as well. But 706 00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:19,039 you know, if we get Tatiana, maybe they become partners 707 00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:21,839 then yeah, I'm down with that. We can skew it 708 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,640 more on the uh the lawyer side as opposed to 709 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,519 the daredevil Vinchilandes. 710 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: And just may or don't have her she hulked out, 711 00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:29,440 you know, for the budget sake of the budget of 712 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,200 the show. Like have her she can she hulk out 713 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,960 every once in a while, but most get. 714 00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:35,319 Speaker 2: Even better double the amount of money that was used. 715 00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't want to do that, you know, so 716 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,799 but uh yeah, speaking of Karen, we're gonna get back 717 00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:43,400 to him. But I just have to say, like, great 718 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,039 to see Karen. She made the call of Frank. That's fantastic, man. 719 00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:51,200 I just absolutely love that we're getting acknowledgment of the 720 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,640 whole Frank Karen Matt dynamic here of they they lay 721 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,599 it on thick. When they get back to Punisher's base 722 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,640 and we want some coffee, Gun you want to go 723 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,559 go like he's trying to I don't know, do whatever 724 00:31:01,599 --> 00:31:04,480 Frank does to flirt, like he can't flirt all because 725 00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:07,200 he's mentally damaged. We're like, oh, we want you want 726 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:10,319 some red No no, no, no, no, I'm good, but like 727 00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:12,480 we'll talk about seeing maybe more later when we get 728 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,440 to punish her. But when it's Matt and Karen alone 729 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,200 and she's he's like, oh yeah, like you talked to 730 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,279 Frank Lawn, She's like He's like oh, She's like, oh, 731 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,599 you know, what's the two you and whatnot and everything? 732 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,160 Like you a little jealous? She's like, oh, Matt's like, oh, 733 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,599 I heard your heart fluttering, and I heard his heart 734 00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:31,440 fluttering a lot too, And then they also say, oh 735 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,319 I heard your what was my heart do when I 736 00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:36,119 saw you? Which actually didn't need you know, just as 737 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,480 I've said before. I just want Karen and Punished to 738 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,240 be thinking. But I don't mind because they still have 739 00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:42,440 some sort of connection there. But that's the first time 740 00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:44,359 the show like they've always had like a lot of 741 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,000 subtexts there with Karen and Frank, but this is the 742 00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:49,640 first time they've ever like said, like, yeah, especially on 743 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,400 the Frank side, he's feeling something there, So I don't 744 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,559 think that's by accident. I don't know. Again, you could 745 00:31:54,599 --> 00:31:56,880 never date the Punisher. There's not a that's not a 746 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,279 working relationship you can have. Even though Karen has a 747 00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:02,720 lot more flexibility on the killing rule because she's killed 748 00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:05,440 multiple times and she seems he doesn't have the same 749 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,519 problem with Frank doing it as Matt does. But no, 750 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,079 all that day, it was great. You know, sucks that 751 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,240 Foggy's gone, but if you're gonna tell me, like I 752 00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:18,960 get Frank, Matt and Frank, Matt and Karen instead of Foggy, 753 00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:22,440 Karen and Matt, Like, yeah, I definitely like that trio better. 754 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,559 And yeah, I was. It was great to see it again. 755 00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:27,160 I was happy they were bringing stuff in from the 756 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,759 Netflix and Punisher show just perfect and good stuff there. 757 00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, the the aligne adrenaline. I'm sure that we got 758 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,400 a couple of times there was like beautiful. I really 759 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,440 loved the information implementation of that. I thought that both 760 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,640 those scenes were really great, especially that yeah scene in 761 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,599 the storage room. Other than like it was just awkward 762 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,119 how they're like having this conversation but then like everyone's 763 00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:50,519 from all you just like Karen like picks up a 764 00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:52,240 random box. Like I just fell like the set piece 765 00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:53,960 of it was like a little clunky, honestly, Like I 766 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,720 wish they were just like in an apartment somewhere just 767 00:32:56,759 --> 00:32:58,920 having a convo, but instead we had like you know, 768 00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:00,920 had to do some plot stuff on the side of it. 769 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,559 But otherwise I guess it did lead to a cute 770 00:33:03,559 --> 00:33:06,480 little moment with the Alvocados at law thing you get 771 00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:08,880 a little foggy backstory, so a cute little moment, so 772 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,039 probably worth it in the end. But yeah, overall, I 773 00:33:12,039 --> 00:33:13,759 really love that that dynamic. 774 00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 2: Yeah no, I I think it was. It was so good. 775 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,680 It made me sad that we didn't have her for 776 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,599 the for the whole season, because it just seemed like 777 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,519 we had so much juice in this quick amount of time. 778 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,319 Yeah no, I don't really have anything else to say 779 00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:30,480 it was good. 780 00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, be excited to see more that next year, can't 781 00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:38,000 I can't wait to see where we go with that. 782 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,640 And yeah, they also because I don't want to forget it. 783 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,079 In the same scene they established The big deal with 784 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,599 Red Hook is that this little I don't know, I 785 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,680 won't say little property, but little like a property. Nonetheless, 786 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,720 it's completely I guess just they had some term for it, 787 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:57,960 and it's yeah, it's just there's no law, it's no regulation, regulations, nothing, 788 00:33:58,039 --> 00:33:59,880 just rambling in New York, there's this property that you 789 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,599 get away with anything. So yeah, it seems like a 790 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,319 like works enough for me. It seems very random, like 791 00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:09,400 I just don't believe anything like that could happen. 792 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,280 Speaker 3: Like Genosha or something just like half. 793 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: For Kingpin, Welcome to my home. But yeah, so that 794 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,639 makes sense what Foggy was doing. We didn't get any 795 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,840 hints of Foggy being alive anything like that, so I'm 796 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,840 wondering what the Foggy and iers are feeling. I did 797 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,800 feel like I voted on our discord poll that I 798 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,880 think if he's allowed, gonna be next year. But I've 799 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,519 said this before, I'm still on the Bandwag and if 800 00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:36,280 I'd like him to stay dead because I just think 801 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,480 if you bring him back, you lose a lot of 802 00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:40,920 the motivations for Matt and everything. I think that it 803 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,519 would be kind of a little pissed too, like you'd 804 00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:44,480 be happy, but at the same time, it's like, man, 805 00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:46,519 I really torpedoed a year of my life for you 806 00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:49,679 to like pretend you were dead. So I'm still happy 807 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,800 that hasn't happened. I liked all those moments and we'll see. 808 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,679 But yeah, Red Hook, I guess that'll be another thing 809 00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:56,360 they have to bring down next year is try to, 810 00:34:57,039 --> 00:34:59,960 you know, bring down this pier that has just unlimited 811 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,000 crime going on that can't be stop, which is good 812 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,679 for Frank though, because he can kill anybody that It's not 813 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,280 legal there either, right, so. 814 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 2: It's like international waters. I guess right, yes, No, there's 815 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,079 just no law. 816 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 3: It's more like the Moon. I feel like it's just 817 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,199 like not even on Earth or I guess the Moon 818 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:15,519 is owned by the US or something. 819 00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:18,639 Speaker 2: The mirror, Mirror, realm Moonnight, Moonnight. 820 00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: Next season my Home. So what what do we want 821 00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:23,519 to talk about next? 822 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 3: I guess maybe just a quick hit here the the 823 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,119 well two things and once the last episode I talked 824 00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:33,079 about how really like the the brief but a good 825 00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:36,039 scene between the Commissioner and Bbie uh and then yeah, Traves, 826 00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:38,239 You're like, all commissioner is definitely dead. Next episode, which 827 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,719 is unfortunately the case very brutal scene, like because that's 828 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,760 that's something I was thinking about, was like, man, I'm 829 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,840 not finding Kingpin a whole lot, Like he's not super intimidating. Also, 830 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,000 at like one point when he was like in his 831 00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:51,639 office having that conversation to me, he was just starting 832 00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:54,800 to sound like Lieutenant Aldo Rain from uh Inglorious Bastards, 833 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,840 and I just I just couldn't take him seriously. I 834 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,440 was like, I need Kingpin to like scare me a 835 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,519 little bit here. And then that seeming came up like 836 00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:02,840 a few minutes later, where yeah, I mean, of course 837 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,480 he had a little cgi there, of course, but he 838 00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:07,599 just like have him crushing this guy's head. So that 839 00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:10,119 was pretty good. The commissioner, Yeah, he I don't know 840 00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:11,639 why he went in that building, don't know why he 841 00:36:11,679 --> 00:36:14,280 didn't jettison out of that car when that guy picked 842 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,599 him up, and it was not who he thought was 843 00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:17,840 gonna pick him up, So I don't know he guess. 844 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,639 I guess he had a lot of trust her faith there, 845 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,599 but I don't know where he got that trust her 846 00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:23,840 faith from. I found all that BB was not in 847 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,679 this episode like she technically had like we saw her 848 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,719 for like a frame at the end. Yeah, and they 849 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,679 got a couple like BB shots, But that's another character 850 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,480 that I feel like, I guess it's just one of 851 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,000 the you know, set up season things, as you guys 852 00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:39,000 were mentioning, like season two, we're gonna get more of 853 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,400 her role. But it just felt odd that, like in 854 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,599 the finale, there isn't really any content for her. So 855 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,159 I don't know, maybe just the result of the rewrites 856 00:36:48,159 --> 00:36:50,280 and things like that. In this episode's already an hour long? 857 00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:52,480 What else are you gonna do with BB? Not too sure, 858 00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:55,079 but curious to see what she does, especially given now 859 00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:58,119 that commissioner who they were gonna be buddies now now 860 00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:00,360 he's gone, so she doesn't have as many inns. 861 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,760 Speaker 1: I guess we'll find out if maybe next season, if 862 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,559 she got those files from him or not. You know, 863 00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:07,519 you know, it's like what is it even marry though? Right? 864 00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:09,400 Like what was he gonna do at this point? Like 865 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,719 is literally just shutting the power off of the city 866 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,199 and it works because. 867 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 3: Like I don't it would be like a weird flashback 868 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,639 though if we got that revealed in season two, we 869 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,119 got like a flashback of them like doing a handoff, 870 00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:25,159 like you. 871 00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:27,199 Speaker 1: Might just have like an email from them, you know, 872 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,360 like you know, for your eyes only, and then that 873 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,639 and then because if it's like hey, next season they 874 00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:33,559 bring fist down and it's like here's the twenty ways 875 00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:35,239 we can do it and just pile on to him 876 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,519 and stuff. So I hope, I hope she's around a lot. Again. 877 00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:41,440 I found the scene like a little cheesy when they 878 00:37:41,519 --> 00:37:43,559 are talking to all the city council people and say, oh, 879 00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:45,920 what about those north shore bank accounts, like and what 880 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,280 about you? Like, I guess every single and maybe this 881 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,079 is the way it is politicians but are politics, but 882 00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:54,119 it's like you tell me every single person here in 883 00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:55,599 New York, like there's not one guy. It's like I 884 00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:59,320 got elected kindly like everything they got during everybody right. 885 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,679 Speaker 3: My head kind of for that was like, yeah, like that, okay, 886 00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:04,360 that person that he was specifically at that moment had 887 00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:06,920 some offshore like a legal thing, but like everyone else 888 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,599 probably just gets the same threat that the commissioner got of, 889 00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:12,960 like I know your family lives in Philadelphia, Like, oh shit, 890 00:38:13,199 --> 00:38:18,000 okay sandwich, Yeah exactly, Yeah. 891 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why you're in that building either, 892 00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:20,920 just like I think it's better OD just to jump 893 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:21,639 out of the car and run. 894 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, walks into a fucking dexter kill room with the 895 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,639 plastic everywhere, Like what are you doing, buddy? 896 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 2: How his skull could take it? Yeah, it was like 897 00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:35,320 I get it. He's like in a more managerial type role, 898 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,039 but I'm like, just like why does he have a 899 00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:39,199 gun on him? Like especially just the threat of like 900 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,519 Kingpin out there, He's already like fleeing the town, Like yeah, 901 00:38:43,639 --> 00:38:47,480 it was ill prepared that guy. Uh yeah, you could 902 00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:48,199 have been more prepared. 903 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,159 Speaker 1: But how you feel about Kingpin right now? Care? Because 904 00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:51,719 I feel like you've always been like, oh man, I 905 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,880 want this brutal crime boss. I feel like maybe in 906 00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:57,960 this end, like the episode you saw Flashes, I feel 907 00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,840 like next year you're gonna get at Lease as close 908 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,079 as you could. Because he just went to Vanessa like yeah, 909 00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:04,280 I wanted to be the mayor, but uh fuck it, 910 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,719 let's do crime again. And now he's like literally just 911 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,280 like busting people's skulls. So I feel like he's full 912 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,000 launting next year, like there's no cover. And even the 913 00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:14,559 end of this series, he's he's, what is it that 914 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,599 you got this what was it called Safe Street program? 915 00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:20,639 Where it's like a PM review and vigilantes are just 916 00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:22,800 gonna be killed on site and stuff like that. So 917 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,519 he's he's doing a lot of that eight PM The 918 00:39:25,559 --> 00:39:27,840 Street or you will be Vigilante? 919 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I got up at nine. Yeah, I am really 920 00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:36,800 digging it for just yeah, like like the full on, 921 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,639 like straight up villain of what he's become. And I 922 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,840 think one thing that that I will defend like throughout 923 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,639 the whole season is like kind of that progression of 924 00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:50,360 that individual character. And well, I guess him and Vanessa, 925 00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:53,039 like throughout the whole thing, they've kind of been evolving 926 00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:55,039 a little bit to the point that here we are 927 00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:58,079 now and he just feels like he's like he says, 928 00:39:58,159 --> 00:39:59,679 I love the city, you know, I'm trying to make 929 00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:03,760 it a safer city. But like every action that he's doing, 930 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,480 like like there's no like shaking hands and kissing babies 931 00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:09,880 on screen anymore. Like I just feel like he's he's 932 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:16,119 just straight up like a villain. Yeah, so I I 933 00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:18,880 like it, and I think that it was actually paced 934 00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:23,039 decently well because if you if you compare like episode 935 00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:25,440 one ap to where we are here for just Fisk, 936 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,719 like he is a completely different position. Like I feel 937 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,480 like he was really against Vanessa, trying to like stay 938 00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:34,000 true to that criminal side. Maybe from the beginning he 939 00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:37,280 was trying to plant these seeds of this freeport thing 940 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,840 that he was doing, Like maybe that was his plan 941 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,480 all along. It was kind of, you know, shown to 942 00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:44,559 us with bread crumbs throughout the season, so it's tough 943 00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:47,480 to say, but where we are now, I like it. 944 00:40:47,519 --> 00:40:50,239 I like when, like multiple times in this episode we 945 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,320 see him with just like that smile that he has 946 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,320 when he's just like just crushed a man's skull and 947 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,960 he's like oh yes, and he's just he takes out 948 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,880 his handkerchief wipes the blood off his face. Like I 949 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,199 like this Fisk a lot. So yeah, I'm I'm really 950 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,840 really down for it. And in terms of Vanessa as well, 951 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,159 I'll just pairing since I brought her up, I think 952 00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:12,079 this episode like didn't do a lot for me, Like 953 00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:14,760 for her, I think her better episode would have been 954 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,199 probably last week just just with her and Matt just 955 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,119 I really like that scene when they were dancing. But yeah, no, 956 00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:25,280 I'm I'm okay with her being on team with Team Fisk, 957 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,159 even though earlier on in the in the season, I 958 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,159 really thought that they were I didn't think they were 959 00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:30,599 gonna be able to smooth it out. I thought one 960 00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:32,559 of them was gonna be kicking the bucket and I 961 00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:35,840 didn't think it was gonna be Kingpin. But yeah, yeah. 962 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,519 Speaker 3: The one one thing that seems slightly off to me 963 00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:41,639 and I wonder about is they were they were those 964 00:41:41,679 --> 00:41:44,079 who having a conversation. I think this is like right 965 00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:47,440 after I guess essentially the events of last week. Uh, 966 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,800 and he was talking about like, oh, we like when 967 00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:52,920 when I was away, you were, you know, dealing in millions, 968 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,360 but now that I'm Mayor, I can deal in billions 969 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,679 or something like that. But I like, I forget exactly. 970 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,119 But the moral of it is, I feel like she 971 00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:03,000 was kind of down playing her, like maybe talking down 972 00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:04,599 to her, and I didn't really feel like we got 973 00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:07,159 a perception of her feeling that way. But I wonder 974 00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:09,880 if that is something that leads to I don't know, 975 00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:12,840 a disconnection between them where she feels like she is 976 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,960 not being respected and she wants to feel like she's 977 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,320 the mayor too, even though technically he's the one that's 978 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,639 like been elected and all that. But Yeah, I didn't 979 00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:22,679 really feel like this episode was really hinting at that. 980 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,559 It's more like one kind of little breadcrumb. But curious 981 00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:27,719 to see what kind of journey she goes on in 982 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,360 season two because I feel like it must be something 983 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,920 or else, Like, I don't know. I kind of feel 984 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,679 like we got her arc to lead up to this point, 985 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,199 and like maybe she's just a lackey or maybe she 986 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,480 just gets killed by Frank early on and that's like 987 00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:42,599 leads to some other issue and she's like more of 988 00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:45,159 a plot device character. But I kind of feel like 989 00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:47,559 they've built her up to be a pretty major character 990 00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:50,360 who has her own train of thought and like is 991 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:51,880 doing stuff, and we didn't see any of that because 992 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,239 it was all like, you know, when the show wasn't 993 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,719 around kind of thing. But I don't know, I feel 994 00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,400 like there's I'm curious to see what route she goes 995 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:00,400 on in the next season. 996 00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess they might just have her do more 997 00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:06,320 issues that like, hey, if Fisk were to get caught here, 998 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,000 it look really bad, So send Vanessa because she's not 999 00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:11,519 the mayor, even though she's the mayor's wife. It's like, well, 1000 00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:13,480 you go deal with like the Lucas of the world 1001 00:43:13,559 --> 00:43:15,960 or whatever, where he can just stay behind his office 1002 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,119 because before he might make those calls or send Buck 1003 00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:20,719 or whatever. But now he knows that he has like 1004 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,519 his other half. So yeah, well we'll see it. Definitely 1005 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,320 to me, because I at one point thought they were 1006 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:28,880 not gonna make her fist, was gonna kill her fell 1007 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,119 like in the middle season, they were definitely going a 1008 00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:33,639 different route and we got here, which is fine because 1009 00:43:33,679 --> 00:43:35,679 I like that relationship. But yeah, we'll be curious, Kay, 1010 00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:38,400 what do you do now? There's as of right now, 1011 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,519 no conflict. Right they resolved that they're both criminals, they're 1012 00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:44,400 both gonna build this organization. So are they just happy together? 1013 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:46,760 I don't know. I guess he could always like I 1014 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,559 don't want them to, but you can always throw a 1015 00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:50,480 kid in the mix, because they do have kids together, 1016 00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:52,679 and that's not been touched upon the show, right, So, 1017 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,920 and that to me is just always a classic TV show, 1018 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,480 a thing of what, oh we ought nothing for this 1019 00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:59,320 female character. Well that's get her pregnant, you know, and 1020 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,960 they could do that because, like I said, it's it's cannon. 1021 00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:05,599 So yeah, right, uh let's get that break and then 1022 00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:10,440 we'll beat right back and we are back. So I 1023 00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:13,440 want finally talk about my boy Frank cast we've talked 1024 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,239 around him. I had to switch seats because in my 1025 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,599 house I got this stupid fucking window that he can't 1026 00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:20,719 put blinds on it. So on Frank Entrance, I couldn't. 1027 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,559 It's just a music cune. I couldn't see Frank. So 1028 00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:24,000 I like I literally had to take a chair and 1029 00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:25,880 like sit like to left of the TV. It's awful 1030 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,400 because it's summer now and it's these episodes. Drop whatever, 1031 00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:32,840 just to whatever complaint. But uh, yeah, Frank is there. 1032 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,559 He's back. We knew he was coming or had a 1033 00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:36,719 good hunch she was coming back. 1034 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 3: Just hang the thumbnail again, like fuck off with these thumbnails. 1035 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,639 Just spoil, like let me be surprised, please, who was 1036 00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:44,199 gonna come? 1037 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,119 Speaker 2: But still when when I go to it, and. 1038 00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:48,159 Speaker 3: Like I didn't know for sure until I went on 1039 00:44:48,199 --> 00:44:49,519 Disney Plus I saw it. 1040 00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:51,360 Speaker 2: But I was so piss though, because I hovered over 1041 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,840 it and it showed like last week's episode halfway progression, 1042 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,119 as if I'm like watching the thumbnail forward last week's episode, 1043 00:44:58,159 --> 00:45:01,039 but it just says Frank Devil's standing in there. I'm like, 1044 00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:02,960 I don't even on the fucking episode and you're showing 1045 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:03,880 me this. God damn it. 1046 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I see. I wasn't all because there are some 1047 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,519 things you guys said. I thought, oh, there might be 1048 00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:10,639 some ways you don't know because if we've definitely I 1049 00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:12,599 think at least talk about this in the discord, because 1050 00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:15,920 they're like there's been set photos galore of these scenes 1051 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,840 of like Punisher and Matt together, so we always knew, like, Okay, 1052 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:19,519 he's coming. 1053 00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:22,679 Speaker 3: But it's still like it would have been hype if 1054 00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:23,599 I didn't see him coming. 1055 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,079 Speaker 1: And I will say, this is where it's like love 1056 00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:29,000 that he's back, but it does just feel like the 1057 00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:31,760 TAD just rushed your messy just like hey Frank, yeah 1058 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,840 I'm back. Someone called let's kill some bad guys. It's 1059 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,639 just like to go from that one conversation to nothing. 1060 00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:39,239 It's similar to the Karen thing right to nothing else into 1061 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,440 the season to like, okay, I'm back now. I even 1062 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,480 thought we might get a solo scene of Frank, like 1063 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,679 he's at his place struggling because Karen says that comming like, oh, 1064 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,559 you know, you want us to believe you don't care, 1065 00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:51,159 but I think you do. So even if you saw him, 1066 00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:53,360 like seeing the TV or heard that, Matt merkshawn, he's 1067 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,480 like rock in his chair thinking about it. But now 1068 00:45:55,519 --> 00:45:57,280 I just showed up and they know. They make the 1069 00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,079 joke like oh, you're all shaven, but it's like, yeah, 1070 00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:01,360 why is he all shave? Like why is he all clean? Cuties? 1071 00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:04,679 Like it just feels definitely like, Okay, we got we 1072 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,840 had only a John Berthel for a certain amount of time. 1073 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,199 Here we go, but it's great. We get this great 1074 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,599 dynamic which we've never really gotten before. The two dynamics 1075 00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:16,599 we've gone was season two where it's Daredevil hunting Frank, 1076 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,039 or is Frank is trying to kill someone and Daredevil's 1077 00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:22,960 trying to stop him. This is they have to work together. 1078 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,119 Matt has no choice because unfortunately he doesn't work with Frank, 1079 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,880 He's likely gonna be gunned down here. But at the 1080 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,239 same time, while Dared Devil's trying to do his heroic 1081 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,400 like do takedowns on guys, you just in the background, 1082 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,519 just here and see Frank, and he's just like killing 1083 00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:41,119 people here stopped Frank. Yeah, and he's just killed him. 1084 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,920 Especially at one time there's the one cop where they 1085 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,239 found the bullets. We found out which cop did do 1086 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,480 the killing on White Tiger. 1087 00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:48,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, the guy that we've seen a lot, but like 1088 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,599 still has zero personality compared to everyone. 1089 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,480 Speaker 1: He's just like bad Cop number two. But like even 1090 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,280 then he like, go Frank goes to shoot him, and 1091 00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:58,440 Punisher or sorry, yeah, Punisher goes to shoot him. Daredevil 1092 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,119 stops is going like, oh, you can't do that, Oh 1093 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,840 do what this? And then you just headshots and other cops. 1094 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,360 So it did put Mad in a very and I'm 1095 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:06,960 not saying this is a bad thing for the show, 1096 00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:09,800 just like an interesting scenario. Again, even for next season. 1097 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,519 It's like, and that's why I'm curious what they're gonna 1098 00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:14,760 do with him and the kill rule because the way 1099 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,440 he was talking to Karen and he sounded like he 1100 00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:18,280 was like, oh my whole life, I've kind of denied 1101 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,519 the darkness, but it's definitely their So it's like, are 1102 00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:23,280 you just gonna be killing people or really hurting people 1103 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,000 because they have put them in kind of an empire 1104 00:47:26,039 --> 00:47:28,960 strikes back situation where like I don't know, you might 1105 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,239 have to kill your way out of this. Like again, 1106 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,559 the easiest resolution is just for Frank to put a 1107 00:47:33,559 --> 00:47:36,199 ball in Kingpin. Like honestly, like none of us take 1108 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,280 down the loss stuff everything. It's like it's just get 1109 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,800 them in the same room together. But birth not all delivered. 1110 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,559 Like I said, my only con here was there's way 1111 00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:46,280 too much CGI blood in here. Every person like was 1112 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,440 a like a water balloon. It's so it just lost 1113 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,159 its impact. I'd rather be like, if there's gonna be 1114 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,840 four kills in the scene, three out of four just 1115 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,639 like a gunshot at a stab and they fall down, 1116 00:47:56,679 --> 00:47:58,480 and then there's one where it's like, oh gnarly, But 1117 00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:00,639 every time when he's just like it just looks like 1118 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,159 video game effects not as good. And then also just 1119 00:48:03,199 --> 00:48:04,920 like in general, just the fight scenes were just not 1120 00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:07,400 as good, Like when Frank went to go take down 1121 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,639 the cops by himself at Red Hook, it was just 1122 00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:12,480 a lot of like close ups on him like elbowing 1123 00:48:12,519 --> 00:48:15,199 guys and shoot, you couldn't see much just was like, okay, 1124 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,280 I get it, you guys. Shot was probably quickly because 1125 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,840 it was not planned, So I hope with the Punisher 1126 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,280 Special and next year just the action is a little 1127 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,960 bit better, but maybe it's never going to reach that 1128 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,079 Netflix slow and I just have to be used to that, 1129 00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:27,360 you know. 1130 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,400 Speaker 3: So Yeah, overall I did like the scene. I don't 1131 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,719 maybe you know, maybe I thought the scene was like dark. 1132 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,320 I didn't like notice the blood as much, maybe as 1133 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,000 the glare on your TV was just like making the 1134 00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:42,119 blood glow like Stanley's green drink from whatever movie that 1135 00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:46,239 happens in. Okay, but yeah, I really like that scene. 1136 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:46,440 Speaker 1: I did. 1137 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,039 Speaker 3: I did think it was a little odd, just like 1138 00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:51,400 the pacing of it that like almost all of Frank 1139 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,639 shots were in slow mo, but then almost all of 1140 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,079 Matt's shots were in like regular mo, I guess, so 1141 00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:59,639 it was just like it just was jarring to go 1142 00:48:59,679 --> 00:49:01,679 back and fourth, not super jarring, iss to like get 1143 00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,159 really fun scene. I think mostly just the tension of like, yeah, 1144 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,880 Frank just killing these people, Matt not wanting to kill him, 1145 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,880 but it's still like doing some pretty brutal stuff for them, 1146 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,039 and then just kind of that tension between it. So 1147 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,400 I really like that scene. But I agree with you 1148 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,599 the the takedown of him, like you take down a 1149 00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:19,559 guy like punisher very rarely. I feel like you should 1150 00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:21,519 make that scene and like pop a little bit more 1151 00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:23,599 once again. It was just like a dark, little like 1152 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,119 ramp in the side of this facility. Yeah, like it 1153 00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:29,920 could have been a little bit better, or at least, like, 1154 00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:31,480 I could have been more fun if he took down 1155 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,199 a lot more people before that happened, like took down 1156 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,760 like twenty guys or something like that. But it was 1157 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,880 a little bit smaller scale, so could have been a 1158 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,440 little bit better. I think that was maybe maybe maybe 1159 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,360 just the pacing of like having the big action set 1160 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,719 piece like earlier on in the episode and then kind 1161 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,480 of a more mediocre stuff at the end. Maybe that 1162 00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:50,000 was why I was a little unsatisfied. But like when 1163 00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:51,480 credits were rolling, I guess he. 1164 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,760 Speaker 1: Did get to kill all those fucking cops. Though, you know, 1165 00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,159 that was great. I've been you. He got a lot 1166 00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:58,360 of KOs and I can't he still didn't get that 1167 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,800 main one, so I can't wait for whether it's in 1168 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,840 the special or season two when he gets his hands 1169 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,760 on the guy who's like, you know, Frank, we all 1170 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,639 really love you around here. You're kind of like an idol. 1171 00:50:07,159 --> 00:50:09,760 That's one thing before Kirkling goes that I loved that scene. 1172 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,599 I wish I wanted a little bit more. Also, they 1173 00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:13,320 couldn't do this because in the comic books he's like, 1174 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,159 you don't look after me, you look after that guy. 1175 00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:16,960 It's like a post of Captain America. It's like, that's 1176 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,280 a fucking hero. I'm not a hero. I like they 1177 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,360 did do the speech of like you don't know my 1178 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,360 pain and everything like that, but I just wish that 1179 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,079 scene would have been a bit longer to really get 1180 00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:29,039 into like why you guys following me? But like it's 1181 00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:31,239 just like Perfle being like you've clowns, your fucking clowns. 1182 00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:32,199 Like he's doing his mumble things. 1183 00:50:32,199 --> 00:50:34,360 Speaker 3: It was too one sided. I think, yeah, we need 1184 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:35,840 like a spice of your character on the other end. 1185 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,480 Speaker 1: In my opinion, Yeah, so I think it was a 1186 00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:40,280 good scene. I just think there was meat left on 1187 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,320 the bone. I don't know if that's because they, like 1188 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,360 I said, reshot stuff whatever, or because we're getting that 1189 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,599 special if they're just like, well, let's really dive into 1190 00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:52,679 this dynamic when we got forty five to fifteen minutes 1191 00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,440 just alone with Frank. So for me, it's a wait 1192 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,800 and see it was a good scene could have been. 1193 00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,360 I was hoping it was gonna be a great scene 1194 00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,960 like the Matt and Daredevil, like Tomboy ideologies, because you 1195 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,719 could say the same that Frank. You could have a 1196 00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,119 good cop character that is bad just say like, it 1197 00:51:05,199 --> 00:51:06,960 doesn't matter, you're still killing all these people. Then it 1198 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,960 should be up to Frank to be like explained, Yeah, 1199 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,880 but you're not me. You're here to protect and serve, 1200 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,880 you're here to pull the law. You're not supposed to 1201 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,039 be what I'm doing. I'm an example of the law 1202 00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:18,239 failing and the system failing. Not all of you should be. 1203 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,199 But I thought it was a great shot of Frank 1204 00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,000 waking up and they had the camera behind him and 1205 00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:24,800 it's just dozens of cops with the Punisher logo of 1206 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,280 just like and he's just shaking head. I thought that 1207 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,320 was like a really nicely done shot. 1208 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,480 Speaker 2: So hmm, yeah, I really love that scene. I agree 1209 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,119 with everything you guys said. I pretty much just across 1210 00:51:35,159 --> 00:51:37,880 the board wanted more of that stuff. I did like 1211 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:42,360 how like the quick little lines that Frank would be 1212 00:51:42,519 --> 00:51:46,639 saying the bad cop, Like it'd be a quick little 1213 00:51:46,679 --> 00:51:49,199 thing like yeah, your fucking clowns or whatever you would say, 1214 00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:51,039 and then we would cut back to the other sequence. 1215 00:51:51,199 --> 00:51:54,239 I think that was when the Commissioner was getting lemon. 1216 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,039 See it was yeah, yeah, so it'd go like from 1217 00:51:57,039 --> 00:51:58,679 back and forth there, so it kind of just like 1218 00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:01,760 drew out the ten. But I think, like the Frank stuff, 1219 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,880 it didn't like it. It's worthy of just standing on 1220 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,199 its own, like it doesn't have to be paired with 1221 00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,960 another scene. So I would have just appreciated more of that. 1222 00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:12,760 I could have just taken Commissioner being killed off screen 1223 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,320 because I don't have a lot attached for that character. 1224 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:20,840 I assumed he was gonna be killed there, though I 1225 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,920 didn't really I like I I I guess I like 1226 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,400 the Kingpin action, but just like the technical technicality of it, 1227 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,039 it looked just really cgi for me. And like when 1228 00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:31,920 when he actually like squished his head, I was expecting 1229 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,119 to just like pop like a like a water balloon, 1230 00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:36,800 but he like rips the jaw and then it like 1231 00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,880 looks like he like peels his face back. But then 1232 00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:41,039 I like I like clued in, and then it was 1233 00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:43,119 just because like yeah, his jaw broke and then blood 1234 00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:44,920 just went kind of everywhere. And it's just the way 1235 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,519 that he like rubs his hand on his head. It 1236 00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:49,480 just made it look really really strange, as if he 1237 00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:52,480 just peeled an orange or something. But uh, yeah, I 1238 00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:54,559 don't know. Maybe maybe I was getting the uh the 1239 00:52:54,880 --> 00:53:00,280 Travis c Gi blood that I had the same brightness. Yeah, exactly, 1240 00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:02,880 You're just me standing there naked watching the episode. 1241 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,719 Speaker 1: Well, and what's something I didn't said much? You think 1242 00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,920 we've all agreed. Mike said, I was begging for someone 1243 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,880 to turn the lights on in those action scenes, which 1244 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,840 you know, I think that's just like, unfortunately a Hollywood 1245 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,280 thing the past fifteen years, Like just even night scenes 1246 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,159 in general. Right, we always talk about like sometimes like 1247 00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:20,639 what's going on. I can't remember what movie we were watching, 1248 00:53:21,159 --> 00:53:23,360 me and Emily, but it's like all the nighttime stuff 1249 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,400 was blue, and I'm just like I wish just go 1250 00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,119 back to that. I know it looks fake and whatever, 1251 00:53:28,119 --> 00:53:29,199 but it's like, just make my time. 1252 00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:30,719 Speaker 2: To go again in the sky where they filmed it 1253 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:31,920 all in the day. 1254 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe not that much, because that is bad thing. 1255 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,400 But like even when we film our stuff, like we 1256 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,199 try our best to be like, hey, we're gonna have 1257 00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,800 a light outside, even if it's like you can tell hey, 1258 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,519 it's a light. It's like, I can't remember who said 1259 00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:45,039 it to Peter Jackson, but uh god, what's this Shawn 1260 00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:48,079 Assen's I think with Shawn Assen, he asked somebody about 1261 00:53:48,119 --> 00:53:50,280 the music and he's like, well, you know, in this 1262 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,559 movie it's very fantasy blah blah, and he's like, well, 1263 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,239 where are those lights coming from? And the director, I 1264 00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,079 think it's director Jackson or someone goes like, it's the 1265 00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:00,159 same place where the music's coming from. It's like, it's 1266 00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:02,159 a fucking movie. It's a show. Like no one's gonna care. 1267 00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,400 Like if these if you're like, oh, it's nighttime, but 1268 00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,639 why can we see man punishers so clearly? I don't care. 1269 00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:09,679 I'd rather just see them clearly, like throw a fucking 1270 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,440 light there and just be like, oh, there's a headlight 1271 00:54:11,519 --> 00:54:13,199 or who cares. It's as long as you can see 1272 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,800 outside a window. It's nighttime, right, it's nighttime. 1273 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,719 Speaker 2: I get the guys at the boom mics, you know, 1274 00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:18,800 breaking the fourth wall. 1275 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe not that far, of course. 1276 00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:24,480 Speaker 2: Closing out my thoughts on the Punisher stuff here, I 1277 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,639 think I was a little bit disappointed with how it ended, 1278 00:54:27,639 --> 00:54:29,840 because you do like, it's a big build up of 1279 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,079 the whole season of like Frank actually conversing with like 1280 00:54:33,159 --> 00:54:35,039 these cops that are taking the whole symbol of the 1281 00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:38,519 punisher in a completely wrong, wrong sense, especially with what 1282 00:54:38,519 --> 00:54:42,519 their job is supposed to be, just the way that 1283 00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:44,840 it ends with him just getting like beat on. I 1284 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,679 think I was just in my mind expecting him to 1285 00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,159 get an escape, which doesn't happen. I guess it does 1286 00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:53,519 happen later on, So it's like, why even have him 1287 00:54:53,519 --> 00:54:55,440 go on the boat or wherever the hell he is, 1288 00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,320 Like you don't even have Kingpin interact with him or 1289 00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,159 anything like that. Like, it just seemed like such a 1290 00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,239 waste of We're gonna crown him, get into the scene 1291 00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,760 mid credit scene, he's gonna be smoozing this cop that's 1292 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,320 just in love with him. He's gonna rip his arm off, 1293 00:55:08,639 --> 00:55:11,400 and that's how he gets out. So it just seemed 1294 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,760 like a lot of it seemed like we took the 1295 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,239 long route when there was an obvious shortcut to get 1296 00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,239 to the same situation. And I felt a little bit, Uh, 1297 00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:23,800 I don't know, I was gonna say disappointed. 1298 00:55:25,519 --> 00:55:28,559 Speaker 1: I was disappointing the med critsy because I agree with you, 1299 00:55:28,639 --> 00:55:31,119 because I was fun with him being locked up. Okay, 1300 00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:34,559 again I would It's Colm book stuff, right, Why would 1301 00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:37,320 you not just assassinate Frank Castle? You know how dangerous 1302 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,679 he is. The second you have him gunshot on the head, 1303 00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:42,519 it's over see layer Punscher. But I can get Fiscus 1304 00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:44,840 who he is. He wants to dangle the carro and whatnot. 1305 00:55:45,159 --> 00:55:46,480 They have a history, right. 1306 00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:48,559 Speaker 3: And to make a publicity stunt out of it. 1307 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, the execution of Frank Castle live on Thursday, 1308 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:58,320 you know. Yeah, at seven fifty on the Dodge, we're 1309 00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,360 off according to the fight scenes, we don't know oh yet, 1310 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,960 but so like I get that, and I did. I 1311 00:56:03,039 --> 00:56:05,639 was a little this when uh Kingpin walked right past him, 1312 00:56:05,639 --> 00:56:07,239 because I've talked about this on the sow many times 1313 00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,599 that Frank said the next obviously he's chained up, but 1314 00:56:10,639 --> 00:56:12,000 he said the next time I see you, I'm gonna 1315 00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:14,599 kill you. And I do hope we're going that way 1316 00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,960 or something that way. But I was fine with, Okay, 1317 00:56:17,559 --> 00:56:19,199 Frank's locked up, because I thought that was gonna be 1318 00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,559 the special Okay, the specialist. Frank's got to get out 1319 00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:24,320 of here and we're gonna see him just tear through 1320 00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,239 this red hook and like that to me, if you 1321 00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,320 were to pitch me, hey, it's a Frank Castle has 1322 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,559 to escape a prison movie. That sounds cool. I'm all 1323 00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:33,159 down for that, But then one when he escapes in 1324 00:56:33,199 --> 00:56:35,599 the mid credits, like Kurtin said, why do we do this? 1325 00:56:35,639 --> 00:56:38,639 And two, for me, it was just dumb. I cannot 1326 00:56:38,679 --> 00:56:40,760 believe any especially when he's like, oh, yeah, you know 1327 00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,880 who I am. Oh, yeah, I know you are. I'd 1328 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,599 rather at least the cop be like, no, man, I 1329 00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:46,800 don't know the fuck you are. I'm just watching you, right, 1330 00:56:47,079 --> 00:56:49,239 because that would be dumb. But at least you'd maybe 1331 00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,679 not think, oh, it's a punisher. If you know this 1332 00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,039 guy's a punisher, you're gonna shake his hand. That's some 1333 00:56:55,079 --> 00:56:57,000 of the laziest writing ever. And an he prays it 1334 00:56:57,119 --> 00:57:00,519 like do something like there's like and this is why 1335 00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:03,639 I literally think. I wonder if this scene was like 1336 00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:06,480 they announced that special and like we should put something. 1337 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,199 I wonder if they did the show and they went 1338 00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,360 thar with a special, and my idea was that they 1339 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,679 were gonna have Frank locked up. But the special they 1340 00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:16,239 want to do, they're like, actually, we don't want to 1341 00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:18,079 do Frank locked up? That sounds boring, like we want 1342 00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:20,079 to do something else, but like, but in season two 1343 00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:22,039 we had him locked up, Well what if we like 1344 00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:24,639 quickly like get John back and film him break it out? 1345 00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:28,559 Like it felt like they completely turned back around said, actually, 1346 00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:30,159 we don't want to do that storyline. We want to 1347 00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:32,079 get him out of there, which is just like there's 1348 00:57:32,159 --> 00:57:34,480 lots of guards there. How can he get out this 1349 00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:37,039 time but not get like but he got captured last time. 1350 00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:40,039 It's very it's messy. It has nothing to do with 1351 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,960 birth all. Birthall is always just one hundred percent there. 1352 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:44,920 I think he's acting good of like, oh yeah, I'm 1353 00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,559 from Jersey too, and like he's he's so he reminds 1354 00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:49,559 me of such a young de Naro. It's so funny, 1355 00:57:49,559 --> 00:57:52,960 but it's very lazy and it doesn't make any sense 1356 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,400 why he's there unless the special literally picks up with 1357 00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,559 him again to have the cage and it's still that 1358 00:57:57,719 --> 00:58:00,920 of him versus all these cops again. So I'll wait 1359 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,199 and see, but very very weak, like there's great, these 1360 00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:07,679 people are great showrunners writers. You couldn't think of anything 1361 00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:09,800 else to get him out of this cage, like and 1362 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,639 he's even chained up too. He's not like the other 1363 00:58:11,639 --> 00:58:14,039 people are just in there. He's chained up like Hannibal Elector. 1364 00:58:14,039 --> 00:58:15,320 I don't even know why he doesn't have a mask 1365 00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:16,000 around his mouth. 1366 00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:18,079 Speaker 3: But I agree, what is the point of that chain 1367 00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,639 if he can still walk around the room and like he. 1368 00:58:20,599 --> 00:58:22,679 Speaker 1: Can literally extend his hand outside the hole. 1369 00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:27,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy, no sense? Yeah, yeah, really really weird? Uh, 1370 00:58:28,519 --> 00:58:30,840 I think, Yeah, what you're saying there, like that feels 1371 00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,800 like a scene that they had him come back to 1372 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,280 do and like I have to go back and watch 1373 00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,360 the shot again when like Kingpin's walking through there. But like, yeah, 1374 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,639 there's just no chance that those two actors were on 1375 00:58:39,719 --> 00:58:42,559 set the same day in my opinion, Like I don't know, 1376 00:58:42,679 --> 00:58:45,159 maybe they just didn't write a line for it, but yeah, 1377 00:58:45,199 --> 00:58:47,079 like they the fact that they wouldn't have like a 1378 00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:50,079 glance at each other or like that was would have 1379 00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:51,960 been a great opportunity to hindsight to just have like 1380 00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,440 a minute or two of Kingpin just like digging into 1381 00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,760 him hard, like hey, I won this thing. Yeah, and yeah, 1382 00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,400 maybe I don't know, Like I'm sure Frank would yeah 1383 00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:04,000 back at him, but I don't know what that whole 1384 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,960 scene would look like but even if somehow they like 1385 00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:08,159 locked up his mouth or something so he couldn't talk 1386 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,760 and it was just Kingpin like berating him, I think 1387 00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,760 that would have been really great. But like, yeah, that 1388 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,920 definitely seems like a in the eleventh hour kind of thing, 1389 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,280 like coming into to make a change to get that 1390 00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:19,000 scene happening. 1391 00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,000 Speaker 1: Even that moment would have been great for Frank to 1392 00:59:21,039 --> 00:59:22,639 just be like, hey, why don't you just kill me? 1393 00:59:22,679 --> 00:59:25,760 And you know, Kingpin have this nice good so silo 1394 00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:27,800 qui of just like, oh, I want to keep you 1395 00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,760 alive so you can watch all this. You know, like 1396 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,599 that doesn't give me. Killing you is not satisfying. It's 1397 00:59:32,639 --> 00:59:34,400 you having to just sit here in the cage and 1398 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,079 rod away like and the thing is like, even then, 1399 00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:39,320 like couldn't you have shot that? Like Dylan, you've never 1400 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,679 seen it. But they in the Zack Snarers, just like 1401 00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:43,440 they at the end of the movie, they give Jared 1402 00:59:43,519 --> 00:59:46,440 Leto's Joker and Ben Afflex Batman a scene together for 1403 00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,519 the first time. They were not in the same room 1404 00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:50,800 when they shot this, but they like use doubles and 1405 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,000 it's like a five minute conversation and it looks like 1406 00:59:53,039 --> 00:59:55,960 they're beside each other talking and it's like even that 1407 00:59:56,039 --> 00:59:58,559 if you can't get them together. So I wonder if 1408 00:59:58,639 --> 01:00:00,679 King Pin at one point walked by age that did 1409 01:00:00,679 --> 01:00:02,719 not have Frank Castle or something, you know, because it 1410 01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,920 just feels like that that's there was such a sticking 1411 01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,599 point in season two, like there was a big moment 1412 01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:09,400 where they helped each other out of prison in a 1413 01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,719 way and they both made threats at each other. So 1414 01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,599 I was really hoping for one mini fifteen to twenty 1415 01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:18,039 second conversation of just like, yeah, I won, and you're 1416 01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:20,440 gonna sit here and watch him win every single day, 1417 01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:22,760 you know. But no, nothing, It's just like, ah, he's 1418 01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,559 another guy. We didn't mention they also got swordsmen, so he's, uh, 1419 01:00:26,599 --> 01:00:28,400 he's locked up there. I guess he didn't make that donation, 1420 01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:29,360 so you know. 1421 01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,000 Speaker 2: I thought that was val next to him for a 1422 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:35,519 second too. The thunderbolts, like, oh my god, they're really 1423 01:00:35,519 --> 01:00:37,360 setting upon bowls here. What what's going on? 1424 01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:39,920 Speaker 1: I get Frank on that team, man, fuck. I'd love 1425 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,440 to see him, like I put Red Guardian him in 1426 01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,159 a room together and just see what happens, Just see 1427 01:00:44,199 --> 01:00:46,960 what happens for a little bit you know. So I'm 1428 01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,000 not saying he's gonna kill him, just I think Frankle 1429 01:00:50,039 --> 01:00:50,800 fuck him up a little. 1430 01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:52,000 Speaker 2: You can replace task Master. 1431 01:00:52,519 --> 01:00:55,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it's him under that mass. That's how they 1432 01:00:55,199 --> 01:00:57,519 snuck him out of there. He found a task master 1433 01:00:57,639 --> 01:00:59,960 cost you in the frank comp or the fist comp. 1434 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:05,199 But is there anything else with Punisher we're not talking about. 1435 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:09,800 Speaker 2: Uh when they're all in his little uh prepper shelter 1436 01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,440 thing that he has with Karen and Matt, like before 1437 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,760 he offers them coffee, he does like his his own 1438 01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,599 stitches and then Karen's like, oh, yeah, how you doing. 1439 01:01:19,639 --> 01:01:21,960 It's like never been better. He walks over and in 1440 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,280 like a true punish her fashion, Like I never thought 1441 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,800 about like how the Punisher takes medicine, but like, of 1442 01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,400 course he just fucking choose the like the pills and 1443 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:33,400 like the audio and don't had the audio design around it. 1444 01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,159 It is like he's chewing like crunchy hard candies, like 1445 01:01:36,199 --> 01:01:38,360 he's just breaking a jaw, just crunching down. 1446 01:01:38,519 --> 01:01:39,400 Speaker 1: Took the whole bottle. 1447 01:01:40,639 --> 01:01:43,039 Speaker 2: It sounded so loud when he was just crunching. 1448 01:01:42,719 --> 01:01:44,480 Speaker 3: On jawbreaking, just like the commissioners. 1449 01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I'm sure he just choose jawbreakers also like apples, 1450 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,280 like like if he maybe it's his favorite type of candy. 1451 01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,280 Just you just he's that hard man. He's the punisher, 1452 01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,519 so he's probably really appreciated that detail. 1453 01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:57,840 Speaker 1: He's buying through people's bones with those teeth. You know, 1454 01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:03,400 all these pills are nothing for him. Frank. Yeah, let 1455 01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,280 me look at my notes here, make sure he didn't 1456 01:02:05,519 --> 01:02:09,320 forget anything on Frank. Oh, that's one thing I did 1457 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,280 like when we talked about a little bit. But Frank 1458 01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,679 was trying to get Matt to kill that cop, and 1459 01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,639 I really liked that moment he had the baton and 1460 01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:17,440 Matt s do it, Red, go on, do it? Just 1461 01:02:17,719 --> 01:02:19,519 get old, we'll do it, and like I like, again 1462 01:02:19,639 --> 01:02:22,079 Matt didn't fully go that way, but I love that stuff. 1463 01:02:22,119 --> 01:02:23,760 And then after he didn't did it, they got like 1464 01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,840 a pushing match until like grenade what and then like 1465 01:02:27,239 --> 01:02:29,440 he like runs him out, which again good time on 1466 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,199 the jump, because what happens if Frank just jumps and 1467 01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,800 like Matt does not catch him, and poor Karen. 1468 01:02:34,719 --> 01:02:37,679 Speaker 3: They put into Matt as if they had choreographed that move. 1469 01:02:38,119 --> 01:02:40,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not like the Defenders. They've like fought together 1470 01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,199 a few times in like eight years, like they've. 1471 01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,239 Speaker 3: Not and the way he threw his arms out punish her, 1472 01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,039 like you know, he was like, I'm just gonna I'm 1473 01:02:48,039 --> 01:02:49,719 just gonna like fly and squirrel this, I'm gonna like 1474 01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,639 resist as much as again. I'm just gonna smash into 1475 01:02:52,639 --> 01:02:55,599 the pavements like fucking bulls Eye, and I'm gonna survive 1476 01:02:55,679 --> 01:02:56,559 it just like bulls Eyed. 1477 01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,800 Speaker 1: Or I guess that's always the thing too with that, 1478 01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:02,440 with him going to the cops, Frank Castle is kind 1479 01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,639 of always looking to like he's kind of suicidal in 1480 01:03:04,679 --> 01:03:06,280 a sense, right, Like he's always just looking for someone 1481 01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,480 to put him as his misery. So maybe Daredel didn't 1482 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:09,639 do my favor that he's like, this is a good 1483 01:03:09,679 --> 01:03:11,760 way to go out. I'm gonna jump out Haden and 1484 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:18,039 Matt everyone read I could catch myself. 1485 01:03:18,679 --> 01:03:21,840 Speaker 2: But like he's never seen Matt use that gadget before, right, 1486 01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,360 so he's probably pretty sure he was gonna die. 1487 01:03:25,719 --> 01:03:27,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, But I guess they always say what I guess, 1488 01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:29,320 I'll try to help them out as they say. I 1489 01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,480 think there's like five years between season three and now, 1490 01:03:31,639 --> 01:03:33,840 so clearly I guess maybe they've bumped into each other 1491 01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:35,440 a couple times, which again I always say, then why 1492 01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,599 didn't Matt like turn him in? Like it's a weird 1493 01:03:37,639 --> 01:03:40,199 dynamic where Matt's like, don't kill these people, but like 1494 01:03:40,239 --> 01:03:42,119 he doesn't like arrest them, he doesn't tell the cops. 1495 01:03:42,119 --> 01:03:44,800 So it's like a very tough gray area, but you know. 1496 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,000 Speaker 2: And then not killing innocence, right because it's. 1497 01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,519 Speaker 1: True, but pre doesn't want to kill anybody, right. That's 1498 01:03:51,519 --> 01:03:53,239 the thing. Except for Bullseye, which we'll talk about in 1499 01:03:53,239 --> 01:03:53,599 a second. 1500 01:03:57,239 --> 01:04:00,920 Speaker 3: Someone is the more he wants them alive. Yeah, when hector, 1501 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:02,920 he's like, ah, fine, that's fine, he can pass away. 1502 01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:05,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's all good. Yeah, there's another good punisher shot. 1503 01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,360 Like when Karen was like clean up Matt's wounds, they 1504 01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,639 framed it that Frank's like head was in the background 1505 01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:14,239 and he kept like looking over at him. I enjoyed that, 1506 01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,079 just Frank being kind of weird and stuff. 1507 01:04:17,159 --> 01:04:19,199 Speaker 3: But Karen, I got some wounds, do. 1508 01:04:21,519 --> 01:04:22,679 Speaker 1: Want some coffee? Foo? 1509 01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:22,880 Speaker 2: No? 1510 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,840 Speaker 1: Okay, just some fun. But yeah, I whatever, I whatever 1511 01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,719 it is, I can't wait now. I guess I shouldn't 1512 01:04:28,719 --> 01:04:30,400 say whatever, because, like we said, we had some problems 1513 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,280 with that scene. I hope that the Punisher special is 1514 01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,159 uh because of some good stuff. And again I'll always 1515 01:04:36,159 --> 01:04:37,840 be saded for birth All. I think birth All you 1516 01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,159 could put him in Seek Your Invasion and he would 1517 01:04:40,159 --> 01:04:41,280 still be the best thing in that show. 1518 01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:41,480 Speaker 3: You know. 1519 01:04:41,519 --> 01:04:44,920 Speaker 1: He just always delivers, didn't miss a beat, his greatest punisher, 1520 01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:46,920 just tear through some people. And I'm excited for him 1521 01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:48,559 to getting his hands on that cop eventually because it's 1522 01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:50,920 got a that cop has to go down by Frank 1523 01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,199 one hundred percent in my opinion. 1524 01:04:52,239 --> 01:04:54,559 Speaker 2: Oh, he's just got like the worst, like shitting and 1525 01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:56,519 grin like all the time too, Like it just as 1526 01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:59,920 a permanent smirk when when Fisk is like a dress 1527 01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:02,440 seeing his like cabinet or whatever, and then they go 1528 01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,800 out on their orders and he's just always like, oh yeah, 1529 01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,679 we're gonna go punish some people. I'm ready for him 1530 01:05:07,719 --> 01:05:11,960 to die. Yeah, man, it's funny that just talk abou 1531 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,199 John Berthal. I just randomly on rotation, I started watching 1532 01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,159 How I Met Your Mother Again, haven't watching a long time. 1533 01:05:17,239 --> 01:05:19,559 He appears in like the second episode of that show, 1534 01:05:19,639 --> 01:05:23,800 and he is like a completely no name, like just boyfriend, 1535 01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:27,599 hookup guy. It's just it's so funny, like literally watch 1536 01:05:27,639 --> 01:05:32,000 that like two days ago. He's like way younger. Also, yeah, 1537 01:05:32,039 --> 01:05:32,440 and then. 1538 01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,320 Speaker 1: I'll bring it up. I'll bring a photo up and. 1539 01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,920 Speaker 2: Then to watch this here where he's like clean cut 1540 01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:41,239 Frank Castle just kick an ass and yeah, he's he's 1541 01:05:41,239 --> 01:05:43,960 come a long way with his career. That guy. 1542 01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:45,880 Speaker 3: True, he's on the top. 1543 01:05:45,719 --> 01:05:47,360 Speaker 1: Of the world ship. Look at this. 1544 01:05:51,199 --> 01:05:52,280 Speaker 3: It's like Connor. 1545 01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,199 Speaker 1: He does. Yeah, that's the Punisher right there before he 1546 01:05:56,239 --> 01:05:56,840 goes to war. 1547 01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,440 Speaker 2: You know, he's that's dependent that he's gone. Maybe it's 1548 01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:00,559 actually the logo. 1549 01:06:00,679 --> 01:06:05,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I met the Punisher. Yeah, that's what they called 1550 01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:10,519 the Special too. Just yeah, so we talked about them 1551 01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:13,800 quickly they did another tie. I guess we'll talk about 1552 01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,840 this so we can bring up Kirkland's favorite boy here. Uh. 1553 01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:20,599 They we got a flashback with Bullseye with Vanessa talking 1554 01:06:20,599 --> 01:06:25,119 to him giving him a release because they said that, uh, 1555 01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,559 Fist got acquitted because the the I was corrupt and 1556 01:06:28,599 --> 01:06:31,280 as I put the discord and yeah, but like Fisk 1557 01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,079 is the one that corrupted him. So I feel like 1558 01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,760 that shouldn't be going to prison. But I guess their 1559 01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:37,840 idea kind of was saying that, like because there was 1560 01:06:38,599 --> 01:06:41,079 so many bad FBI agents and whatnot. They didn't know 1561 01:06:41,079 --> 01:06:43,000 what would stick or right out, so Fist got a quitted. 1562 01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:44,840 So if anyone was wondering because he got arrest in 1563 01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,199 season three and him Vesta got split up, I guess 1564 01:06:47,239 --> 01:06:48,880 he did go to trial and just got to quitted 1565 01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,280 and he was fine off and Danny thought it was 1566 01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,239 a weak reason. I agree with Mike. I'm glad they 1567 01:06:53,239 --> 01:06:55,519 gave one. But it was very much like okay, Like 1568 01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:57,920 when you watched season three, you just know, like, okay, 1569 01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,280 A couple of months later or I guess maybe a year, 1570 01:07:00,519 --> 01:07:02,840 but still it's just like they're like, no, yeah, he's fine, 1571 01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,639 he's not guilty, let him go. And I guess what 1572 01:07:05,679 --> 01:07:07,719 that happens in real life. Of course it's just in 1573 01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,760 a TV show. It so like a little anti climatic. 1574 01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:11,440 But I just remember for years people being like, was 1575 01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:13,519 it the blip? Was it? This was it that she's 1576 01:07:13,519 --> 01:07:15,840 like now it was regular like they couldn't get it 1577 01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,719 together and stuff. But she's talking to bulls Eye. And 1578 01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:20,960 this is what's very interesting, right because they put Bullseye 1579 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,800 in a seam and we didn't talked about like him 1580 01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:25,239 and Vanessa and leaving a good place like he was 1581 01:07:25,239 --> 01:07:28,400 trying to kill Vanessa the last time they saw each other, right, yeah, 1582 01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,119 specific because asient Nedine was crep, but like he was 1583 01:07:31,199 --> 01:07:33,519 corrupt because they killed a guy in front of the 1584 01:07:33,519 --> 01:07:35,039 demon said like, you gotta do this or we'll kill 1585 01:07:35,079 --> 01:07:38,360 your fucking family. Like that does not sound like Nadine. 1586 01:07:38,519 --> 01:07:40,480 You know, I get it he was crep, but like 1587 01:07:40,519 --> 01:07:43,719 it's corrupt because fists made him do these things. I digress. 1588 01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,000 She's talking to bulls Eye saying, oh, well, it's no, 1589 01:07:46,519 --> 01:07:49,199 it's no fair. You shouldn't get a second chance. You 1590 01:07:49,239 --> 01:07:51,679 know it wasn't right what happened to you, and you 1591 01:07:51,679 --> 01:07:53,559 know your problems with my husband. I haven't seen my 1592 01:07:53,639 --> 01:07:56,079 husband in months. Whatever, If you sign this, you get 1593 01:07:56,079 --> 01:07:57,800 a second lease on life. But I also need to 1594 01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,639 kill Foggy Nelson and could you do that for me? 1595 01:08:01,519 --> 01:08:05,320 What I'm I'm intrigued in, but I'm also I'm not 1596 01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,800 gonna say worried, but don't know if I want In 1597 01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,400 this flashback, they made him very It was very much 1598 01:08:11,559 --> 01:08:14,800 someone taking advantage of a mentally ill person. He is 1599 01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,279 shaken up, he's not good. She's not even letting them 1600 01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:19,399 give him his fucking pills unless he signs his papers. 1601 01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,800 It's like, what choice does he have but sign this paper? 1602 01:08:22,239 --> 01:08:24,760 And then at the end of this episode, I think 1603 01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:28,880 he was back at like where like Avocado's a lot 1604 01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:30,840 like it looked like where madd and Foggy used to be, 1605 01:08:31,159 --> 01:08:35,399 Like they're building. I think they're gonna make Bullseye a 1606 01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:37,640 fucking good guy or he's gonna be on our side 1607 01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:39,800 next season. I really do, because when they had that 1608 01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:41,720 shot the glass and then he just like hugging his 1609 01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,079 head down, it wasn't like, oh yeah, bulls Eyes coming, 1610 01:08:44,359 --> 01:08:46,880 it looks like he's hurting now again, how much didn't 1611 01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,439 you cheer for a guy that killed Foggy Nelson Again? 1612 01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,560 Maybe that's why Foggy's not actually dead and that could 1613 01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,399 be the full thing that redeems bulls Eye right of 1614 01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:55,560 like even though he did kill like twelve people in 1615 01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:58,319 that bar. But I think it's gonna be a situation 1616 01:08:58,359 --> 01:09:01,000 where they have to work with bulls Eye and they're 1617 01:09:01,239 --> 01:09:04,159 highlighting him as a I won't say simpath that a character, 1618 01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:07,000 but a character that's been taken advantage of. So, Kirkle, 1619 01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:11,279 how do you feel about us. 1620 01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:10,960 Speaker 3: Are gonna take advantage of him? 1621 01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:12,600 Speaker 1: Just No, I think Bulls I will come to and 1622 01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,359 be like, I'll help you kill Fisk. I'll kill Fisk, 1623 01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:16,279 I'll kill Vanessa, I'll do them all, because I think 1624 01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:19,479 it's gonna be like the enemy, the enemy is my friend. So, Kirk, 1625 01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,840 how do you feel about Bulls. I I'm telling you 1626 01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:24,039 he's joining Team Dared all the next season they're gonna 1627 01:09:24,039 --> 01:09:26,359 be They're gonna be a team. They might still decide 1628 01:09:26,399 --> 01:09:27,880 to fight at the end of it and say, hey, 1629 01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,720 once this is over, I'm coming for you. But I 1630 01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:35,880 think he's getting a minor Kylo ren Esh redemption arc here. 1631 01:09:36,039 --> 01:09:38,520 Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, if it's gonna happen and I 1632 01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:42,239 can't stop it, I'm just hoping the writing is good 1633 01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:46,720 around that character, and I think a complicated dynamic, like 1634 01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,560 he wants to basically help the force of Matt Murdock. 1635 01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,239 We're already kind of picking apart us. 1636 01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:58,439 Speaker 1: So yeah, he needs some troops. Cherry, you know, you 1637 01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:01,479 need point dexter Man. We can't Cherry can't throw pencils 1638 01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:01,880 at people. 1639 01:10:02,119 --> 01:10:04,840 Speaker 2: Cherry hasn't shot a gun in a while. They need 1640 01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,079 the guy that shoots his teeth with the rattling gun. 1641 01:10:08,119 --> 01:10:09,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's got tons of weapons. 1642 01:10:10,119 --> 01:10:13,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I feel like, also, you know, to push 1643 01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:15,439 back on myself, I feel like the way that they've 1644 01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:20,199 handled Bullseye in this specific show, like I've actually liked 1645 01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:22,479 him a lot more than and the actors great too. 1646 01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:23,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, delivers everything. 1647 01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:27,199 Speaker 2: He was really good for sure. I did like seeing 1648 01:10:27,239 --> 01:10:31,119 that sequence of the flashback when he's just super super vulnerable, 1649 01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:35,560 just a terrible like nurse or like medicine official that 1650 01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:37,640 like just hands out the medicine just like walks away. 1651 01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,199 It's all like ma'am, Like you can't just take his 1652 01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:42,399 pills away from him, like he kind of has to 1653 01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:47,199 take those. But whatever, I'm hyper analyzing that sequence. But no, 1654 01:10:47,359 --> 01:10:50,600 I'm I'm intrigued by this wild factor, especially just with 1655 01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,319 how this season ended. It seems like the whole city 1656 01:10:53,399 --> 01:10:55,359 is kind of under Kingpin's thumb right now, so to 1657 01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:58,319 have just a lot more wild cards out there, Frank, 1658 01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:03,439 you know, you go out pretty pretty easily. Bullseyes out 1659 01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:06,720 there like there is people that really want fist dead 1660 01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,680 out there, and uh yeah, no, I'm excited to see 1661 01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:10,239 that dynamic. 1662 01:11:10,399 --> 01:11:13,079 Speaker 1: And imagine if Frank meets back up with them and 1663 01:11:13,119 --> 01:11:15,840 he sees that Matt Murdoch is working with bulls Eye 1664 01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,159 and then that whole thing about like Frank being like, 1665 01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:20,039 why didn't you kill that guy? Why didn't you like, 1666 01:11:20,079 --> 01:11:22,159 oh he got life, Like what about Foggy's life? Like 1667 01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,159 I would cause I guess I'm also I want the agenda. 1668 01:11:25,239 --> 01:11:27,079 I go, I want Punisher versus bulls Eye, like I 1669 01:11:27,159 --> 01:11:29,159 want to fight. I want that YouTube clip. I want 1670 01:11:29,199 --> 01:11:31,119 that to happen. But I just feel like Frank would 1671 01:11:31,119 --> 01:11:33,880 be so discussed and even Karen. Imagine Karen having the 1672 01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,359 like and there's so many times even in the Punisher show, 1673 01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:38,920 right like or Sin Dared Devil, Karen would side with 1674 01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,680 Punisher over Matt, and Matt would just be like disgusted 1675 01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,439 by it. But I guess see that situation where Karen 1676 01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,880 hates that we're working bulls Eye and Frank comes back, 1677 01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,279 He's like, what the fuck? Like you're working with this guy? 1678 01:11:49,399 --> 01:11:52,840 Like there's lots of good dynamics there, and oh man. 1679 01:11:53,199 --> 01:11:55,880 Speaker 3: Could be it would be pretty intense if we got it. 1680 01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:57,760 Kind of like like let's say this is like an 1681 01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,680 episode one thing of season two, like flipping it comparing 1682 01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,600 it to this season of like everyone's in Josie's bar, 1683 01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:05,720 We're making the plan, How are we gonna take this down? 1684 01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,359 And like Bullseye walks in the door, oh yeah, you know, 1685 01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:09,840 just like he did at the start of this season, 1686 01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,439 but like a in a very different context and this 1687 01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,840 time like trying to trying to make a deal to me. 1688 01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,000 That would be like I don't know if I'd be 1689 01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:18,800 like a jumping the Shark moment, but I just feel 1690 01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,479 like that would be a huge stretch of logic for 1691 01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,840 a lot of our carriages. I feel like maybe more 1692 01:12:24,039 --> 01:12:27,680 like realistic situation is we're like at the what's it 1693 01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,279 called the Red Hook, right, We're like there or you know, 1694 01:12:30,359 --> 01:12:32,119 one of these places with a bunch of the corrupt 1695 01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:34,800 cops and whatnot, and like Daredevil's there, maybe he's there 1696 01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:37,159 with Punisher and they're taking out some bad guys and 1697 01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:39,920 then like Bullseye also shows up, and then they kind 1698 01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,119 of realize, okay, we're after the same guys here, and 1699 01:12:42,119 --> 01:12:44,399 they like work together like in that scene. But I 1700 01:12:44,399 --> 01:12:45,960 don't I don't see it ever get to the point 1701 01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,920 where like bulls eyes like hanging out of Josie's drinking 1702 01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,479 like a whiskey sour and like, okay, guys, what's the plan? 1703 01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,560 What are we gonna do next, Like you guys want 1704 01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,119 to go, you know, up another bar after this, like 1705 01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:58,279 go get some drinks whatever, Like I don't. I don't 1706 01:12:58,279 --> 01:13:00,640 see it like getting to that kind of No. 1707 01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:02,800 Speaker 1: I agree with your scenario where I still think they 1708 01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:06,079 would have maybe for like if it's that episode where 1709 01:13:06,199 --> 01:13:08,439 Karen finds out about this and it's a little disgusted 1710 01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,680 with Matt that he had to even like for a second, 1711 01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,359 work with them, but they she'll eventually understand. But I 1712 01:13:13,399 --> 01:13:15,479 think it's like that where it's just there's a situation 1713 01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,119 or the show up at the same time, or there's 1714 01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:20,960 some McGuff and that bulls Eye has, whether it's information 1715 01:13:21,119 --> 01:13:23,319 or a person that they have to get from bulls Eye. 1716 01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,159 So yeah, I think it'll be like that. I don't 1717 01:13:26,159 --> 01:13:28,520 think he's ever gonna get a tabot Jose. He's gonna 1718 01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:30,039 go back to a normal This man can't go back 1719 01:13:30,039 --> 01:13:32,560 to a normal life. It's it's over for him, you know. 1720 01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,319 But I love because I just we told this last week. 1721 01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:37,600 To me, he just represents chaos. So I just love now. 1722 01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:39,760 Even next year, I think we're just gonna be okay. 1723 01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,119 We know Bullsy's gonna be there. What's he gonna do 1724 01:13:42,279 --> 01:13:44,920 like at any moment he could. He he could turn 1725 01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:46,960 on Matt in the middle of that battle when they're 1726 01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:48,960 working together. You know, he decided, you know what, actually 1727 01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:50,840 I do want to kill Dared Dobell and then he's 1728 01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:52,800 gonna throw whatever he has in his hands or his 1729 01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,319 feet or his mouth, whatever it could be. So yeah, 1730 01:13:55,399 --> 01:13:58,479 teeth tell yeah, maybe he's gonna have new teeth and 1731 01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:02,039 just shoot those out. They'll be like uh grills where 1732 01:14:02,039 --> 01:14:05,199 you can have them like file. So yeah, but I 1733 01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:07,720 can't wait. More bulls Eye the better I'm I can't wait. 1734 01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:11,039 I'm happy. Like season two could be really great if 1735 01:14:11,079 --> 01:14:12,840 we get Punisher back for that with the special we 1736 01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:16,680 got bulls Eye, made some other heroes, Karen's back, we 1737 01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,680 got fist full and like bad guy mode, like season 1738 01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:21,640 two has like the potential. They got tons of things 1739 01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,039 set up that are like all I'm interested in. 1740 01:14:24,279 --> 01:14:27,560 Speaker 2: So mm hmm, this meme just won't die. I'm just 1741 01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:28,840 I'm gonna have to live it. 1742 01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:32,760 Speaker 1: None see you get yet you see him again next year. 1743 01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:35,720 Can't wait. And I think I have seen some set 1744 01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:37,920 photos that looks like they're actually giving him the uh 1745 01:14:38,319 --> 01:14:40,439 the bulls eye on his mask now finally on his 1746 01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,600 skin mask, just the masks. They're not going that far, 1747 01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,479 So that's that's nice. 1748 01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:47,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's true. 1749 01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:50,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh anything else we have touched upon. 1750 01:14:52,279 --> 01:14:54,319 Speaker 3: Negative spats? 1751 01:14:55,079 --> 01:14:59,479 Speaker 1: Nope, Uh, mister Buss, what would you give this? 1752 01:15:02,399 --> 01:15:04,119 Speaker 3: Oh that's really tricky. 1753 01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:05,399 Speaker 2: Such a mixed bag. 1754 01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:07,840 Speaker 3: We had some low episodes, we had some filler episodes, 1755 01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,600 we had some great episodes. We had some decent episodes 1756 01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:14,359 that had some great moments. So we really ran the gamut. 1757 01:15:14,399 --> 01:15:18,359 I think I'm just gonna drop a clean seven point 1758 01:15:18,399 --> 01:15:22,920 five on this bad boy, maybe seven point three. I 1759 01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:24,920 want to go higher than a seven, but five feel 1760 01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,640 a little high. I gon have seven point three. Looking 1761 01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,319 forward to next season, I think we definitely if this 1762 01:15:30,399 --> 01:15:33,000 truly was a setup season all along, I think we're 1763 01:15:33,119 --> 01:15:35,920 due for like a really spicy one next season. So yeah, 1764 01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,000 hopefully we get that either way. I was just really 1765 01:15:38,039 --> 01:15:39,960 happy to have Daredvel back. And yeah, I wasn't perfect, 1766 01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:41,760 but I still had a good time with this for 1767 01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,399 the most part. Only like a little bit of down 1768 01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:46,079 points in the in the in the middle there, but 1769 01:15:46,199 --> 01:15:49,119 like started pretty well, ended pretty well. So yeah, I'm 1770 01:15:49,159 --> 01:15:51,960 I'm I'm happy. I'm satisfied, I'll say. 1771 01:15:52,159 --> 01:15:54,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like not that we're excusing show because 1772 01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:56,560 I feel like that I'm pretty much exact same as 1773 01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:58,279 you do. Because at first I was like, oh, seven 1774 01:15:58,279 --> 01:16:00,119 point five, I'm like, oh, that seems too high, and 1775 01:16:00,119 --> 01:16:02,359 then seven seems too low. It's like I think I'm 1776 01:16:02,399 --> 01:16:04,479 with you, like seven three or seven point two five 1777 01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:06,880 somewhere there. Let me. I kind of sit on it 1778 01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,000 for a bit, which is like a down great because 1779 01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,079 the other shows to me, we're all like nine and above, 1780 01:16:11,159 --> 01:16:13,319 so that's like a couple points off. And even then, 1781 01:16:13,399 --> 01:16:16,800 like I like, I feel like I think I have 1782 01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,000 like a couple of seasons out of ten. So I 1783 01:16:20,079 --> 01:16:24,439 love that old show. But next year, there's no like, oh, 1784 01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,520 Frankenstein's season. All the different creators like to me, it's 1785 01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:29,520 there's no more like, oh it's starting slow. It's like, 1786 01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,159 I'll give you this it again. Also came at a time 1787 01:16:32,199 --> 01:16:34,600 where there's tons of change over Disney. The strikes. They 1788 01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,600 were changing leadership, you know, swapping one ball with another. 1789 01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,159 They changed all their kind of modules again of how 1790 01:16:40,199 --> 01:16:42,359 they're doing TV and movies. So it's like, Okay, a 1791 01:16:42,399 --> 01:16:45,159 lot of stuff went down, But next year, no excuse. 1792 01:16:45,239 --> 01:16:47,159 I'm not saying every episode has to be ten to 1793 01:16:47,159 --> 01:16:49,520 ten next seasons ten no, no, no, just the way we 1794 01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:51,920 talk about how there's some stuff that was not consistent, 1795 01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:53,880 whether it was even in the episodes that were the 1796 01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:57,680 former team or this team or all together. Just I 1797 01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:59,840 hope that there is a clear path next year. But 1798 01:17:00,319 --> 01:17:02,279 I think another thing that just makes this show so 1799 01:17:02,359 --> 01:17:04,680 strong is the performances we talk about every week. But 1800 01:17:05,119 --> 01:17:07,199 you know, even though we'll not carry Karen for a 1801 01:17:07,239 --> 01:17:12,479 little bit, but like Matt Kingpinn, Vanessa, Frank, like those performances, 1802 01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:14,640 even with the any of the guy who did, like 1803 01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:18,279 who played White Tiger, he was fantastic. Like even times 1804 01:17:18,279 --> 01:17:21,520 where it's like the materials a little lacking, these actors 1805 01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,920 do raise it up. But yeah, some mess some episodes 1806 01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:26,439 that were kind of you know, I didn't love the 1807 01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:28,479 Bank episode. I didn't love episode three, like Kirkle. I 1808 01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:31,840 had those like very low down lots of you know, 1809 01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:35,479 stuff that I wish fights were better, some very iffy 1810 01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:41,159 CGI and kind of you know, just not volume stuff, 1811 01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:44,800 but volume s stuff. So yeah, definitely some jots down 1812 01:17:45,079 --> 01:17:48,079 for writing, and then also just on a technical side, 1813 01:17:48,119 --> 01:17:50,840 So I'll say seven point two five, so just a 1814 01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,000 little under mister bustle point zero five. 1815 01:17:53,159 --> 01:17:57,880 Speaker 2: So uh kurkle, Yeah, I'm I'm right in that ballpark 1816 01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,199 with you guys. I think I'll go seven point five four. 1817 01:18:01,119 --> 01:18:05,800 Oh yeah, yeah, just some point four, a little bit 1818 01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,600 under seven point five. I I feel like an average 1819 01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,840 earlier on Like there's only really four I think four, 1820 01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:14,640 I think really just four episodes out of this whole 1821 01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,039 season of nine episodes that I'm like, yeah, those are 1822 01:18:17,039 --> 01:18:20,399 those are bangers, which you know that's that's under fifty percent, 1823 01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:23,840 but I think they were true bangers in my eyes, 1824 01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:26,039 and like really lifted it up as a whole. And 1825 01:18:26,119 --> 01:18:28,279 as I had already said, the ones that I I 1826 01:18:28,359 --> 01:18:31,760 don't mention in those four there's like they're still okay, 1827 01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,359 like like like the performances are still really good, it's 1828 01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:36,760 just the where they fit in the overall story. I'm 1829 01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,640 not necessarily the biggest fan of. So yeah, I think 1830 01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:45,840 this this reborn you know, Daredevil Born Again season. It 1831 01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,760 could have been way worse. It could have been like, 1832 01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,439 oh man, they really really did not do it. They 1833 01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:53,560 probably should just let this one die. I'm glad we 1834 01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:56,880 were not having those topics of conversation right now, what's. 1835 01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,359 Speaker 1: That original season like then, you know, before they did 1836 01:18:59,399 --> 01:19:01,199 the like when we don't have episodes. 1837 01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:04,920 Speaker 3: Oh I see, yeah, you know have been a four 1838 01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,079 point seven out Yeah, Like. 1839 01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,319 Speaker 1: I would love to see at that point when they 1840 01:19:10,359 --> 01:19:12,640 sat down and they did go like we gotta fix 1841 01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,279 this and reshoot some stuff, like I wonder what it 1842 01:19:15,359 --> 01:19:17,560 was looking like near the end especial because remember that 1843 01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:19,479 was when they were doing the eighteen episodes as well, 1844 01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:28,319 like for a lot of muse Oh yeah, yeah. 1845 01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:30,920 Speaker 2: We'll to stretch out that bank scene, the bank in 1846 01:19:31,039 --> 01:19:32,319 the trilogy. 1847 01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:36,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, uh yeah. So next time, I'm sure on a 1848 01:19:36,319 --> 01:19:39,319 next Geek First podcast when we do what we've been watching, 1849 01:19:39,359 --> 01:19:41,800 we'll get Tato's final thoughts or something like that. But 1850 01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:44,279 uh yeah, thank you everyone that tuned in. Thank everyone 1851 01:19:44,319 --> 01:19:46,239 in the discord. It's been a fun time. But uh, 1852 01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,439 luckily it'll be back next year for Daredevil and then 1853 01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:52,119 this Punisher special. We got lots of stuff more meat 1854 01:19:52,119 --> 01:19:53,960 on the bone that happened, and uh, this is a 1855 01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:55,960 good time especially for you me though, And this was 1856 01:19:56,119 --> 01:19:58,680 completely new. We've been doing this binge in the past 1857 01:19:59,079 --> 01:20:00,840 and now we did this we weekly, so it was 1858 01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:01,880 something different, but. 1859 01:20:02,199 --> 01:20:04,800 Speaker 3: And you know what, Like, after having Black Mirror this weekend, 1860 01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,039 I don't like binging anymore. I can't do it anymore. 1861 01:20:07,039 --> 01:20:10,960 Speaker 1: So I like weekly with Yeah, well, if you like weekly, 1862 01:20:11,159 --> 01:20:14,479 we're always here weekly by daily, and we'll be here 1863 01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:16,479 next year for Daredevil Born Again season two and it 1864 01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:17,479 will not be boring