Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back, and welcome to
the last episode of the Daredevil season one review. Because
it is the finale, we have made it many years
of waiting, many rumors, many set photos, multiple creative teams,
but we are here to talk about the last episode
of Daredevil. Born Again. I am the heart fluttering dressed
now and I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: I Am the Coffee Drinker Kirkland Patzer.
Speaker 3: Hello, I am the Nightgown man Ila mus Nike out.
Speaker 1: That's a good one. Yeah, just just us three. Don't
know what's going on Taylor.
Speaker 3: There's videos he went to New York to get some
get the pulse of the city, see how things are doing.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't trust if Taylor was one of the people
they recruited to need help for the fight New York.
I don't know if that would go well for them.
I saw a video today of him getting beat up,
so I don't know. I got no comment on that.
My lawyers are looking into it. But what we do
have going on is lots of stuff here. The heek
forst Spot. We're gonna talk about that after the fat
Let's do our overalls big episode, so we'll tell you
more about what we got going on a geek FIRS
a little bit later, mister musk, as I said, been
a rocky road. I feel like there's never been an
episode that all of us loved, like like all four
of us. I feel like there's been ebbs and flows
throughout the whole season. So now this is ended. Luckily,
we're you know, last to meet Dylan review a Daredevil finale.
We were like, oh, hopefully they get another season, and
then I was canceled later on. At least we know, hey,
this season two it's coming, It's coming next year. We
already know we got a Punisher special, So at least
there's that where it's say, okay, we know more is
to come. So did this leave you excited for what's
more to come?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm Yeah, I mean to answer that question, yes, definitely.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: We have a lot unanswered, a lot to do, a
lot to get finished here, so in that way, definitely
excited for the future. You know, I've finished the episode
like six minutes ago, so I feel like I'm gonna
need this convo to bounce off with you guys and
see how I feel at the end. I guess I
was a little a little. I didn't expect that this
episode would tie up all the loose ends, right because
we had so much to do. We know, there's a
second season. This is kind of like a season one
two thing that was kind of split. But even then,
I still I still felt like a little unsatisfied with
the ending that we got here. And I think maybe
one of the reasons for that is I think this
episode really illustrated to me that like, oh yeah, this
show did get kind of rewritten at some point, and
this episode in particular was really where that stood out
to me. Of like, man, this season overall as a
whole was really inconsistent, really choppy, or just like it
didn't feel very unified. It felt like we almost got
like three mini seasons in one, but then they were
kind of edited and split in weird orders and all that.
So there are some great moments in this, some really
great dialogue, you know, a couple of characters come back
that I'm a big fan of. But overall, is an
episode I don't know. I guess it just didn't really
it didn't fill my hunger that I want from this,
So yeah, looking forward to that next season, I guess
it is. Is it coming next. I forget if they.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless there's delays the very thing they've said it's
next year, so that's good.
Speaker 3: I exc had to wait two or three years. I
think I would probably lose a lot of the momentum
on it. But next year's fine, especially with Punisher getting
that special at some point too. So yeah, looking forward
to what's coming next. But uh, I don't know. I'm
curious where you guys are at am I am I
alone here and feeling a little unsatisfied or what's what's
the vibe?
Speaker 1: I usually go last, but I'm gonna go because it's
a good place for me, because I'm I'm more I'm
completely in line with Dylan. But I think I liked
the episode more than you. But I don't think there's
with a shadow of doubt, like this feels very Frankenstein
now not the word. We've seen much worse Frankenstein things
in our day and age, Like, you know, go back
to twenty seventeen when we had to review like the
Zack Snyder Joss Whedon Combo Justice League. You know, like
there's much things out there. It's like, man, this is
this is a mess. This is not a mess. But
it's messy to me. A mess is completely can't be salvaged.
A messy is you won the game, but you got
a couple of injured players, some players got suspended, but
you still won and you're going to the playoffs. And
that's my thing of at least I'm excited for, which
sucks because I don't like saying this feels like a
setup season. But now in retrospect, if we I feel like,
if season two can be the quality of episode eight
to nine, then I feel like I will look back
at this season like it was a setup season slash
Disney and Marvel and like a bunch of shit just
trying to figure out like, oh, we're gonna do twenty episodes,
Actually we're not. Oh we're doing this. Oh there's strikes,
Oh we're you know, people don't Frank's not coming back.
Like there's all this kind of mess. I think it's
just gonna represent kind of what happened with this with
Secret Invasion. With I'm trying to think, like a like,
what's a really bad Marvel movie we got out of
the last Little Bunch Journals. No, I don't even think
Good Turn was really bad. I don't have that I
didn't even fail turnals. I'm not even gonna say Captain
America is really bad, but just the same way, if
that feels like, oh, there's a lot going on here
that just doesn't jive right, we talked about because it's reshot,
a bunch over so obviously they all as do reshots,
but these are reshoots, but this era we still got
a couple more coming out with Ironheart and Gosh, What
a wonder Man, So I'm hoping those are a little
more streamlined and we don't feel like a big shuff
but at least the shuffle to me feels good. So
I liked this episode. I think A nine are pretty
equal to me. But it's like firmly like leaps and
bounds anywhere near the Netflix stuff. And I think there's
great character moments here. I think there's a great setup here.
I think, just like last week, they delivered on the
intensity of this episode. Sometimes I was like, oh my goodness, like,
what is gonna happen next? Where are we going? Pro
and con for the violence, I think you've seen some
of those gnarliest stuff in this episode more than anything
the ms to you, But it also felt like a
kid who learned to say fuck for the first time.
There is a lot of like cuts and like these
guys are just fucking bleeding waterfalls. It's like it's all
cgi blood. So that's one thing that's still missing is
man the fight scenes are not what they are, but
like there are certain scenes where it's just like, hey,
no one would all they wouldn't just all bleed like this,
Like you don't just every time you poke a person,
it's like all it's like it's not saw. So, like
I said, I think there's moments in here that I
got the rock chills, loved it, cannot wait. This actually
feels like it's a part of Daredevil again, like the
Netflix series, but it was a mess to get there,
but we get the finish line. Really, I'm at least
faithful that I think season two, because it's now this
team I think we're gonna get next year will be
a great season where this to me is like it's
a fine season with great parts. That's what I would say. So,
mister Patzer, where are you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm pretty positive going forward with what we
got here. I think this was like a just straight
straight from the start to finish. Now that I can
judge it as a whole just a complete setup season.
I think it was Taylor last week when when he
was given his thoughts and he brought up that you
feel like you could just kind of jump into like
episode eight, Yeah, and I I kind of fully agree
with that now. I think looking back on all the episodes,
I think there's like four that I like, really really
like think fondly of, and everything else just kind of
slips through the crack unfortune. I don't think they're like
really bad episodes, but it they just just lack of
interest in comparison to some of the things that we
got here in episode eight and nine. The other one
that I would shout out is like the first Frank
episode when he's all grizzled and like just just great
back and forth between Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like you could watch one eight nine and then
just splice in Frank's scene with yeah, and that's all
you need, which is not a great thing to say
about a show, right.
Speaker 2: And I'm a big fan of that Court episode episode three,
So I would make you one. But it's not like
it's not like critical to the overall story, So I
guess you could win that argument there. But yeah, like
it is unfortunate looking back that, Yeah, I really am
just kind of interested in like these back few episodes,
which is a really real big positive going into next
season because if I'm not mistaken, it's like this team
kind of it's team going forward, so that's really exciting.
I think some things that were shown here though, it
really just made me like look back on, like, man,
what could have been, you know, for this first season,
which was just some of the pieces that were in
play in these last two episodes. So that's a little
bit unfortunate, But overall, I still think what they do well,
they do extremely well. Like, yeah, all of the performances
were just fantastic. Oh tip Field and the chat there
you go. Yeah, No, I think it is a real
positive episode. Like pretty much this one and last week's
are probably like tie for me on just the quality
and my enjoyment together. So it's nice to end on
a positive. But as you brought up, Dylan, like I
definitely felt a little bit just wanting more like like
once we get kind of near the end, I want
to say, like the last like fifteen minutes, I like pause,
it was like, oh no, like we're really not going
to get any answers here, And I think part of
me like subconsciously knew that that was gonna be the case,
because this isn't a season one and two thing that
there would have been a lot to really like wrap
up in this last episode. So I am glad that
they didn't try to do that because it would have
just felt really forced, like a classic Disney plus MCU show. Ope,
and now it usually is. Yeah, So yeah, no, I
am really positive going forward. But yeah, now that it's
all done, I feel a lot more just kind of
certain with where I would be ranking this overall. I'll
save that number till the end.
Speaker 1: Plu's like, I don't think it's big spots to say,
We've all kind of alluded to it. They leave a
lot of things open. That's not a Daredevil thing. Dared
Devil's never really done that, right, you look at all
three seasons of the show, it kind of wraps up.
They leave some stuff that you could pick up on,
but you really could end it there be like most
of the time it's Matt and the Friends win right.
Season one they take down Kingpin. Season two they take
down the Hand. Sure, you lose Electra, but it's like
well that sucks for Matt. Moving on season three, they
take down Kingpin moving on, and it's like, oh, the
same thing. It's like, oh, boles Aye still out there.
But you wouldn't have to pick that up, right, You'd
be like, oh, well he just got Daredevil beat him
up one time he went back into prison where this
is the first time where it's like, no, there's multiple
bits moments, and I wouldn't say like, the good guys
are winning per se. It's not a clean like okay,
here we go. We you know, I think the quality
won the game. Good guys certainly not. But anything else
non spoilers before we dive deeper. I feel like we're edging.
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Speaker 3: Let me bring up our our good friend Karen here.
So this is one of those things I mentioned where
it's like the fact that she's just in the first episode,
in this episode and then I just kind of nowhere
in the middle and just kind of shows up out
of nowhere. Is one of those things that feels kind
of weird, but at the same time, I love the
character so much in the actress, I think it's fantastic,
so like, yeah, I'll take any care and I can
get I think she gets some really good scenes in here.
But it is like one of those things that felt
very random at the same time, and I don't think
I was really ready to predict that. I kind of
felt like she was off in the Nethers and she
was gonna come back for season two, so interesting to
get her here. I like, I would be set up
like the way we're set up here, Like I feel
like she'll be a very crucial part of the second
season of this. Do you guys, I think, do you
guys agree with that?
Speaker 1: I think also just as the show I saw other
with Mike and our discord, it just now feels like
we talked about last week. It actually feels like a
direct continuation of season three versus before it was just
Daredevil and Kingpin in like they're in New York, but
it almost felt like they're in a different city. You
could just say, Oh, they've moved and here they are now.
It feels even I know Foggy's been a big theme,
but it feels like there's a lot of Foggy talk
this episode as well. So it just feels like it's
actually the show. And if it is actually show, for
our Karen should be back for this, So I think
she'll be She'll be a big side character because I
don't even know if Matt's gonna like is Matt a
lawyer now?
Speaker 3: Like, I don't think we'll see much lawyering occurring but
can he.
Speaker 1: Even be Matt Murdoch, Like what is the when all
that went down? And then they find a bunch of
dead cops in his house, like like how can he
go back?
Speaker 2: Like and even then when was like a big explosion.
So it's just like the evidence is kind of gone there,
but like there's still corpses.
Speaker 1: Were all these cops doing in this building? You know,
Like it's just it's just curious what they're gonna do there.
I just feel like, same thing we always talked about it.
Last week, right we said, Okay, maybe Fisk Matt saving
Fist will be like Fist will have a come to Jesus,
won't being I'll respect Matt. I'm not you know, I'm
gonna take you down, but I'm not gonna reveal your identity,
right because you save my life. You owe me. The
first time they approach the subject him and Buck, he's like, oh,
it's a shame, we should take this opportunity to kill him,
and it's like, oh, okay, so one makes match is
like a fucking idiot. But That's where I'm just like,
now I really don't if next season doesn't start with hey, everybody,
Matt Murdoch's stare level, How do you like, why would
Fisk even be hiding that now? Is what does he
have to gain by not giving it out there? It
felt I'm I guess that's not a negative. I'm just
I'll have to wait till next year to see how
they answer that for me.
Speaker 3: I guess if he does that, then that kind of
like the people of New York still look at Daredevil
in like a very positive light. So if he's doing
this thing and he's trying to like find dared Devil,
hunt him down and use a public to help track
him down, I feel like that would not go over
well with the public. That would like turn them against him,
or it would turn like a certain amount of people
against him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then you got the fifth supporters that would
be like, if they see Matt Murdoch, they're gonna call
the task for us, right and be oh, I just
saw her to shoot him or to shoot him, yeah,
if you see.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's kind of already the case with like,
you know, cops on every corner, these corrupt cops. So
I feel like he's already kind of got those eyes
and ears that he needs.
Speaker 1: So then do you think he would tell the task
Force that Matt Murdoch is Daredevil, because why shouldn't they know,
right like this thing, like if Matt is just doing
his law and I.
Speaker 3: Guess they kind of already do if they went to
his apartment and stuff, right like some yeah Schakman other
already did so in theory like they all do, and
they were all like they're on the radio, like hey,
calling for backup and stuff.
Speaker 1: But even then they refer to them separately. They said
daredubl and Punisher and gone, and so is Matt Murdoch
and Karen Page or I think they said the blonde Lady,
So they still talk about them separately. So I just
I just don't know if we get to a case
where he's in a court case or doing something. I
just don't find that believable this time around, that Matt
Murdock can do Matt Murdoch things for the time while
Fisk's top guy.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I think everything around the way that
that was tackled is kind of just like a full
on negative for me, just just the way that it
played out of like the way that it ended last
week's episode with Matt jumping in front of that bullet,
Like that is such a massive, big moment, and like
the biggest thing that comes out of it is Kingpin's like, Oh, well,
now he's vulnerable, so we can just kind of like
fucking take the pillow and just snuff him out in
the hospital bed. Like it just seems so unplanned by
like a writing standpoint, Like I thought he was gonna
have a lot more of just significant like maybe Kingpin
is like, wow, he actually is like a true ally
or something, and like this, I thought he was gonna.
Speaker 1: Be pitching to bring him over. Because when he's like, oh,
we can use this, I'm like, oh, are they gonna
use Like I don't think that would ever join it,
but are they gonna kind of do some sort of
truce and like have to work together? And that didn't happen.
But when he's like, oh we could use this, I'm like,
oh my god, what's Or if thisisk like had a
weird joker thing where he's like, oh, he saved me,
like he wants to be with us, Like but no,
we didn't.
Speaker 2: Go and this without each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it didn't. It didn't affect Matt either, Like
sure he held his shoulder a couple of times, but
he was saying there about it.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know why
I did it. I guess it's just instinct, like you
just heard a gun chuckle off and went yeah. Like
it was so like really like this is the best
we can do here for the finale. Like I for me,
that was like one of the lowest points of this
entire episode honestly, and it definitely brings down like the
season for me.
Speaker 1: And I mean even just from a physical standpoint, You're
right about like he's like, I don't really know, Like
we didn't get many answers. Even Frank's like, why'd you
save that asshole? I was like, just just doing the right.
Speaker 2: Thing, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, He's like, I don't know, which I was a
really good answer, actually yeah.
Speaker 1: But then he I meant physically, other than like holding
his side, he was fine. I last week we talked
about I was like, oh, maybe they'll jump like a
couple of weeks ahead, just to be like, Okay, it's
not fully healed, but like he's someone he'll same night
he's in there, him and Frank jump off a balcony.
He holds Frank with the side he got shot. Yeah,
in my mind, you'd hold Frank in the second he'd
grab oh and let Frank go.
Speaker 3: But no, he was completely like it was a fucking
sniper rifle that he got hit by some rinkingting pistol
that like, you know, Frank took like seventeen pistol shots
in this episode, like this, this was a sniper rifle. Yeah,
from bullseye, So that should have done more damage because
he's only in the hospital for mere hours before he's
already yeah, up and out of there.
Speaker 1: Twelve I don't even want to say twelve hours, but
that's like the max I'd give it, because Keepinsel's fucking
blood on his jacket and suit while he's doing half
of these scenes, and Matt's like, which awesome, awesome moment
in the hospital because fuck Yeather, she's go Matka and
Karen Karen Yeah, and his boyfriend's like, oh, it's just
the drugs, just the drugs and anything like that. But uh,
let's talk about either quickly because they're not much to say.
Matt or Mike said this in the discord. I'm happy
it happened. She's with Fisk. I'm fine with her just
being yeah, she's a bad guy now, or she might
have like a because she seemed a little uneasy even
shaking his hand. I think eventually should have like a
baby face turn. But I'm fine with now because on
her neck, Yeah, the no tramp snamp of the I'm
not sure it's gonna be right there, but like it's
just for me, even this again in this episode, she's like, oh, well,
you know, they did try to shoot at Fisk. It's
like that doesn't mean he's a good guy. Like that
means literally nothing, Like Okay, find that shooter and ask
him why he's shooting at Fisk. Like it's just I
hate how they've written this character so honestly, like I'm
fine if she's just with Fisk and at some point
Frank guns are down, Like they've made me not care
about Heather at all. So I'm glad that it's weird.
I guess they don't even break up. I guess they're
just no, you know, just done. You know.
Speaker 2: So that's what was bugging me, is like, hey, this
is gonna be the moment like Matt just tell her
a fuck off, Like I think we should see other
people just do it right here in this scene and
then I'll talk to you and your head's right, and
then she like stops out of there. Whatever she said
is just Yeah, she's such an annoying character, and I like,
I feel like I just don't even like her scenes.
So I almost feel like next season they should just
go over the top with her even more, like make
her like a mustache Totley villain. I agree, like making
like mind control sea room for Kingpin or something. I
don't know what it is, but.
Speaker 3: She's the next muse.
Speaker 2: Ye.
Speaker 1: Did you know I took chemistry in high school films? Yeah?
But yeah, anything it's saying Heather there, Dylan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feeling really weird about this character. Like this
is like I knew she was a defender, but I
think I thought that not a defender in the way
that like Matt and the rest of the crew in
the Netflix season ever watched that show, Yeah, I gotta
go back to c she makes some mind control potion.
But yeah, like the whole season when we've had this
tension where she well obviously was doing the therapy with them,
but he didn't know about that for most of it,
and then he was trying to coox that information out
of I think it was mostly his last episode when
he was doing that, and so we're kind of getting
this like tension drama. I never really thought that was
gonna lead to her teaming up with Fisk, and so
that was maybe like the biggest plot twist of this
episode for me, which is why I think like most
of this episode was kind of by the numbers and
we kind of you know, Travis, you were like, oh,
Commission's definitely dead. Yeah, He's like, there's just a lot
of things that we kind of saw coming other than
you know, Karen didn't really see her coming back, but yeah,
this other thing is a surprising one too. But it's like,
I don't know, it'll be like, from what we've seen
she had doesn't really have any like evil side to her.
She's not like a villain in any sense of the word. Right,
So I'm like, I feel like, you can't really be
part of fisks team for more than like two days
before you see all the corruption and shitty things it does.
So it's like, is she just like, are we gonna
get that that turn where she is just actually evil?
To me, that would be really out of character for her.
It wouldn't really make any sense like she seems like
she is a good person, and like she the concern
she has for like against you know, the vigilantes is
maybe a little overblown, but it like there is some
validity to it as well. So I don't know. I
I it it is a kind of surprising thing, and
I'm really curious what route we're gonna go with this.
But I just don't know what kind of like tension
we can get because I feel like once Matt sees that, oh,
you're close to Fisk, like I feel like that's when
he would want to tell her more meaningful information. But
maybe she just won't even hear him out anymore.
Speaker 1: Like I just feel like, just lay a bunch of
stuff on the line. But no, I kind of agree,
like just.
Speaker 3: To protect her right, like give her all this infos,
like so you got to get out of there, like
trust me, like and don't just trust me now like
here's actual tangible evidence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can't say I'm daredevil because she'd probably
be like.
Speaker 2: Like, just muse him myself.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I agree. Also, didn't hear him to drop
an F bomb, But I agree with Kirklam that I
wish something happened in the hospital and he's just like, hey,
if you're with Fisku, I can't be with you, like
and it's either me or him, and if she chooses him,
then she can may that's something she can talk about
later on that she regrets it if we pick up
with season two, and like I said, I don't want
him to be doing lawyer things. As much as Kirkland's
gonna hate this and Taylor hate this too, he's listening
to it. I do feel like they should kind of
do like season three where Matt Murdley, like he was
never Matt Murdock, he was just daredevil, like hanging on
the church. They should kind of do that again where
he's just Daredevil and Josie because I just feel like
if he's being a lawyer and if I him and
Heather trying to make it work while she's work, like
I do not need some relationship drawing. Well oh well,
you know, fisk gives a bad guy and work with
him is very dangerous. Like, no, a second she's working
with this, that's it. I'm done, like even for his
safety or karen safety, like I can't be with you like,
so I really hope they do just kind of As
much as that's kind of annoying, it feels like this
did like parts of the show did copy season three.
I'm kind of saying, do it again and just have
him mostly be Daredevil because that's what happened everyone. They
didn't say Matt Murdock was dead season three, just that
he had left town and same thing. Maybe you can
do this where that house explosion, people think Matt Murdock's dead,
but X Y and Z. So it's like, maybe that's
why Fist doesn't even have to say Matt Murdock is
Daredevil because if he's missing, then well maybe Fist does
think he's dead. Maybe he's all bring the Shadows or whatever.
There's no point to bring Matt Murdock down because he
doesn't exist. So I'm kind of hoping they go that
way and he's just like living at Josies for a
little bit. You know.
Speaker 2: I didn't love how it was done in like the
previous show, but I think it really fits where we're
at right now, especially with just like Fisk having like
his city state thing that he's forming, Like it just
seems like we're at the point where it's like, yeah,
like like don't focus on your day job here, Matt
like like, we need you in the in the mask,
like from this point going forward, and cause it really
feels like we're in the middle of a war, like
we have fists with like his full on army. Uh,
they've already mentioned like Matt's kind of assembling his army
with his ragg Tak crew. They need to get some
more members because it looks pretty one sided right now.
Speaker 1: People. If you look at that crew are fucking banging
and get iron fists back. It's like to me, like,
you got to go on the one cop I can't
remember his name that left him already Jerry. You got
the one bank cop who I'm not a fan of.
You got two random cops who have never met over
here that are just like in uniform. And then you
got Josie, who I'm sure Josie is like just gonna
be like, hey, you can use this as a base.
But still it's like this is the worst team ever,
like us like take out Daredevil. US four could go
defend New or better than maybe some of these people.
I was just like, like, what's Cherry gonna do? What's
what's he really gonna do in this situation, Fiscus like
they've captured Frank Castle at least if Frank Castle's in
that room, you like, hey, he counts as ten, you know,
but he's not even there, so it's like, what are
we gonna do? So I do think, like I think
a couple of weeks ago Terror and didn't do that newscast,
but the Defender rumors in next season. I do think
that's where you get Jones. You'll get a lot of them.
What you get Heather Well, I think Jones is for sure,
and then I think, uh, White Tiger, like the niece
becomes like that hero. So that's too right there. I'm
hoping Cage and Iron Fist, and this is where I
know you can't. It just fucking sucks. And I'm very
curious what they're gonna do with the movie. I don't
know how you have a Spider Man movie in New
York and all this is going on and it's not
even mentioned, And I hope it is, because it's just
very odd that same thing, as like knowing Home to
This ends with Peter Parker is no longer there. I'm
just gonna be Spider Man, I'm gonna be crime fighter.
The city is other than maybe when the Shatari attack
is in the worst state possible right now, a merafis
and what's Spider Man doing? And that's why I hope
in Spider Man for he is like in a different
multivers or somewhere, because if he's in New York, just like, oh,
I'm looking after Vulture, it's like, yeah, but what about Fisk. Dude,
Like he's literally squashing cops heads like melons, like and
guess what. Spider Man could probably have this wrapped up
in like a day or two, you know, he just
like he's a superpower being his Spider Set's like he's
gonna be able to beat the fuck out of Fisk,
like he's a super powered Avenger. He could help, but
he'll get Frank out of there like nothing. He's gonna
come in web them. Frank's oh, like in the sky
like easy. But that's what sucks is it feels, you know,
I get why Thor's not there, I get why CAP's
not there, but for Spider Man, it's like this is
gonna be a tough pills wall. In Spider Man for
if he's just like, oh, mister Negative has some bad
charity like funds and I'm looking after it. It's just
I don't know, it's it's a weird it's.
Speaker 3: The release state of these bad boys again though, like.
Speaker 1: Spider on the show, spec of which of this.
Speaker 3: What's coming first season two or a Spider Man.
Speaker 1: We don't know currently, So your point could be that
maybe they wrap this up before, but even then, like
where was he during all this? You know, what was
Peter Parker doing right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, the city's like they're they're kind of the power,
They're not like.
Speaker 3: He was caught up in That's that's the truth answer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, delivering shit, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I I yeah. Kind of two thoughts here, Like, I mean, yeah,
it really does not make a whole lot of sense
that he could be just hitting up the lawyer the
court system again to like solve this problem just with like,
you know, the context of everything that's going gone on here.
But at the same time, like they did go to
Foggy's locker and they were like getting all this information
and then they're like doing a stake out and stuff.
So it makes me wonder what the process is gonna
be there. But I think, like who would he want
to defend at this point? Obviously when Hector got taken
hose because he was a vigilante. There's more there, but
like I would be worried if I was Matt to
defend anyone right now, because like I just don't know
what Fisk and his cronies would do to them, uh,
you know, and just do anything like stop his career
from happening. I mean that is, even if like Matt
could get in a court room without just getting shot.
At at this point, like it seems like he's just
like enemy number one and they at any moment they
just do another blackout and like try and kill him
right in a way that's he's really easy to hide
the crime and all that. So especially now that they
could frame him as like oh this what he is,
actually dareduvil, here's all this proof, and we gunned him down.
We got rid of this evil vigilante. So I don't know,
I yeah, I feel like it'd be pretty hard pill
to swallow if we're actually getting like any of those
downtime episodes. I feel like there's so much to do
that like and even have room for like a filler episode,
let alone, like you know, some semi plot progression like
lawyer stuff, Like I feel like we're not really not
really going to get that. Do you think he recruits
she Hulk as a member of the army.
Speaker 1: Calls? I don't think she fits in this show unfortunately.
I think it's too serious. I would love them to
change up that that drama curve and just show, Hey,
she could do that, because Tatiana is a great act.
Speaker 3: What if she Hulk but Melon's Kingpin's head and that's
the end of the sea.
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, and she's joking about it while
she's doing it, like breaking the fourth wall. But no,
I don't. I don't think so. I think he might
see Scar before che huwk. You know, so, I will
say to you, I don't think this. I could be
pulling this out of my ass, but I think next
year is one episode shorter as well. I think it's
eight episodes. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty positive
on that fact.
Speaker 3: Well, we can take the bank episode out of this season.
It was pretty much eight episodes long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, correctly seen che Hulk. Uh No.
Speaker 2: I would love it, but it maybe like after the season,
if we get a third season, you know, when they
dispatch with Kingpin and we can go back to life
as it once was before the mayor Old Kingpin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well maybe he calls her in to do the
lawyering while he goes and does the does the vigilante.
Speaker 2: I would like that. I would like that because I'm
really not like attached to like any people around like
Matt on the lawyer side, like we never know her name, Kirk, Kirsten,
Kristen whatever is like partner. I just liked his his
other compatriots in the previous show. I think that's why
I was more attached to that lawyer side of the show.
And it was probably just done better as well. But
you know, if we get Tatiana, maybe they become partners
then yeah, I'm down with that. We can skew it
more on the uh the lawyer side as opposed to
the daredevil Vinchilandes.
Speaker 1: And just may or don't have her she hulked out,
you know, for the budget sake of the budget of
the show. Like have her she can she hulk out
every once in a while, but most get.
Speaker 2: Even better double the amount of money that was used.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't want to do that, you know, so
but uh yeah, speaking of Karen, we're gonna get back
to him. But I just have to say, like, great
to see Karen. She made the call of Frank. That's fantastic, man.
I just absolutely love that we're getting acknowledgment of the
whole Frank Karen Matt dynamic here of they they lay
it on thick. When they get back to Punisher's base
and we want some coffee, Gun you want to go
go like he's trying to I don't know, do whatever
Frank does to flirt, like he can't flirt all because
he's mentally damaged. We're like, oh, we want you want
some red No no, no, no, no, I'm good, but like
we'll talk about seeing maybe more later when we get
to punish her. But when it's Matt and Karen alone
and she's he's like, oh yeah, like you talked to
Frank Lawn, She's like He's like oh, She's like, oh,
you know, what's the two you and whatnot and everything?
Like you a little jealous? She's like, oh, Matt's like, oh,
I heard your heart fluttering, and I heard his heart
fluttering a lot too, And then they also say, oh
I heard your what was my heart do when I
saw you? Which actually didn't need you know, just as
I've said before. I just want Karen and Punished to
be thinking. But I don't mind because they still have
some sort of connection there. But that's the first time
the show like they've always had like a lot of
subtexts there with Karen and Frank, but this is the
first time they've ever like said, like, yeah, especially on
the Frank side, he's feeling something there, So I don't
think that's by accident. I don't know. Again, you could
never date the Punisher. There's not a that's not a
working relationship you can have. Even though Karen has a
lot more flexibility on the killing rule because she's killed
multiple times and she seems he doesn't have the same
problem with Frank doing it as Matt does. But no,
all that day, it was great. You know, sucks that
Foggy's gone, but if you're gonna tell me, like I
get Frank, Matt and Frank, Matt and Karen instead of Foggy,
Karen and Matt, Like, yeah, I definitely like that trio better.
And yeah, I was. It was great to see it again.
I was happy they were bringing stuff in from the
Netflix and Punisher show just perfect and good stuff there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the the aligne adrenaline. I'm sure that we got
a couple of times there was like beautiful. I really
loved the information implementation of that. I thought that both
those scenes were really great, especially that yeah scene in
the storage room. Other than like it was just awkward
how they're like having this conversation but then like everyone's
from all you just like Karen like picks up a
random box. Like I just fell like the set piece
of it was like a little clunky, honestly, Like I
wish they were just like in an apartment somewhere just
having a convo, but instead we had like you know,
had to do some plot stuff on the side of it.
But otherwise I guess it did lead to a cute
little moment with the Alvocados at law thing you get
a little foggy backstory, so a cute little moment, so
probably worth it in the end. But yeah, overall, I
really love that that dynamic.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, I I think it was. It was so good.
It made me sad that we didn't have her for
the for the whole season, because it just seemed like
we had so much juice in this quick amount of time.
Yeah no, I don't really have anything else to say
it was good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, be excited to see more that next year, can't
I can't wait to see where we go with that.
And yeah, they also because I don't want to forget it.
In the same scene they established The big deal with
Red Hook is that this little I don't know, I
won't say little property, but little like a property. Nonetheless,
it's completely I guess just they had some term for it,
and it's yeah, it's just there's no law, it's no regulation, regulations, nothing,
just rambling in New York, there's this property that you
get away with anything. So yeah, it seems like a
like works enough for me. It seems very random, like
I just don't believe anything like that could happen.
Speaker 3: Like Genosha or something just like half.
Speaker 1: For Kingpin, Welcome to my home. But yeah, so that
makes sense what Foggy was doing. We didn't get any
hints of Foggy being alive anything like that, so I'm
wondering what the Foggy and iers are feeling. I did
feel like I voted on our discord poll that I
think if he's allowed, gonna be next year. But I've
said this before, I'm still on the Bandwag and if
I'd like him to stay dead because I just think
if you bring him back, you lose a lot of
the motivations for Matt and everything. I think that it
would be kind of a little pissed too, like you'd
be happy, but at the same time, it's like, man,
I really torpedoed a year of my life for you
to like pretend you were dead. So I'm still happy
that hasn't happened. I liked all those moments and we'll see.
But yeah, Red Hook, I guess that'll be another thing
they have to bring down next year is try to,
you know, bring down this pier that has just unlimited
crime going on that can't be stop, which is good
for Frank though, because he can kill anybody that It's not
legal there either, right, so.
Speaker 2: It's like international waters. I guess right, yes, No, there's
just no law.
Speaker 3: It's more like the Moon. I feel like it's just
like not even on Earth or I guess the Moon
is owned by the US or something.
Speaker 2: The mirror, Mirror, realm Moonnight, Moonnight.
Speaker 1: Next season my Home. So what what do we want
to talk about next?
Speaker 3: I guess maybe just a quick hit here the the
well two things and once the last episode I talked
about how really like the the brief but a good
scene between the Commissioner and Bbie uh and then yeah, Traves,
You're like, all commissioner is definitely dead. Next episode, which
is unfortunately the case very brutal scene, like because that's
that's something I was thinking about, was like, man, I'm
not finding Kingpin a whole lot, Like he's not super intimidating. Also,
at like one point when he was like in his
office having that conversation to me, he was just starting
to sound like Lieutenant Aldo Rain from uh Inglorious Bastards,
and I just I just couldn't take him seriously. I
was like, I need Kingpin to like scare me a
little bit here. And then that seeming came up like
a few minutes later, where yeah, I mean, of course
he had a little cgi there, of course, but he
just like have him crushing this guy's head. So that
was pretty good. The commissioner, Yeah, he I don't know
why he went in that building, don't know why he
didn't jettison out of that car when that guy picked
him up, and it was not who he thought was
gonna pick him up, So I don't know he guess.
I guess he had a lot of trust her faith there,
but I don't know where he got that trust her
faith from. I found all that BB was not in
this episode like she technically had like we saw her
for like a frame at the end. Yeah, and they
got a couple like BB shots, But that's another character
that I feel like, I guess it's just one of
the you know, set up season things, as you guys
were mentioning, like season two, we're gonna get more of
her role. But it just felt odd that, like in
the finale, there isn't really any content for her. So
I don't know, maybe just the result of the rewrites
and things like that. In this episode's already an hour long?
What else are you gonna do with BB? Not too sure,
but curious to see what she does, especially given now
that commissioner who they were gonna be buddies now now
he's gone, so she doesn't have as many inns.
Speaker 1: I guess we'll find out if maybe next season, if
she got those files from him or not. You know,
you know, it's like what is it even marry though? Right?
Like what was he gonna do at this point? Like
is literally just shutting the power off of the city
and it works because.
Speaker 3: Like I don't it would be like a weird flashback
though if we got that revealed in season two, we
got like a flashback of them like doing a handoff,
like you.
Speaker 1: Might just have like an email from them, you know,
like you know, for your eyes only, and then that
and then because if it's like hey, next season they
bring fist down and it's like here's the twenty ways
we can do it and just pile on to him
and stuff. So I hope, I hope she's around a lot. Again.
I found the scene like a little cheesy when they
are talking to all the city council people and say, oh,
what about those north shore bank accounts, like and what
about you? Like, I guess every single and maybe this
is the way it is politicians but are politics, but
it's like you tell me every single person here in
New York, like there's not one guy. It's like I
got elected kindly like everything they got during everybody right.
Speaker 3: My head kind of for that was like, yeah, like that, okay,
that person that he was specifically at that moment had
some offshore like a legal thing, but like everyone else
probably just gets the same threat that the commissioner got of,
like I know your family lives in Philadelphia, Like, oh shit,
okay sandwich, Yeah exactly, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why you're in that building either,
just like I think it's better OD just to jump
out of the car and run.
Speaker 3: Yeah, walks into a fucking dexter kill room with the
plastic everywhere, Like what are you doing, buddy?
Speaker 2: How his skull could take it? Yeah, it was like
I get it. He's like in a more managerial type role,
but I'm like, just like why does he have a
gun on him? Like especially just the threat of like
Kingpin out there, He's already like fleeing the town, Like yeah,
it was ill prepared that guy. Uh yeah, you could
have been more prepared.
Speaker 1: But how you feel about Kingpin right now? Care? Because
I feel like you've always been like, oh man, I
want this brutal crime boss. I feel like maybe in
this end, like the episode you saw Flashes, I feel
like next year you're gonna get at Lease as close
as you could. Because he just went to Vanessa like yeah,
I wanted to be the mayor, but uh fuck it,
let's do crime again. And now he's like literally just
like busting people's skulls. So I feel like he's full
launting next year, like there's no cover. And even the
end of this series, he's he's, what is it that
you got this what was it called Safe Street program?
Where it's like a PM review and vigilantes are just
gonna be killed on site and stuff like that. So
he's he's doing a lot of that eight PM The
Street or you will be Vigilante?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got up at nine. Yeah, I am really
digging it for just yeah, like like the full on,
like straight up villain of what he's become. And I
think one thing that that I will defend like throughout
the whole season is like kind of that progression of
that individual character. And well, I guess him and Vanessa,
like throughout the whole thing, they've kind of been evolving
a little bit to the point that here we are
now and he just feels like he's like he says,
I love the city, you know, I'm trying to make
it a safer city. But like every action that he's doing,
like like there's no like shaking hands and kissing babies
on screen anymore. Like I just feel like he's he's
just straight up like a villain. Yeah, so I I
like it, and I think that it was actually paced
decently well because if you if you compare like episode
one ap to where we are here for just Fisk,
like he is a completely different position. Like I feel
like he was really against Vanessa, trying to like stay
true to that criminal side. Maybe from the beginning he
was trying to plant these seeds of this freeport thing
that he was doing, Like maybe that was his plan
all along. It was kind of, you know, shown to
us with bread crumbs throughout the season, so it's tough
to say, but where we are now, I like it.
I like when, like multiple times in this episode we
see him with just like that smile that he has
when he's just like just crushed a man's skull and
he's like oh yes, and he's just he takes out
his handkerchief wipes the blood off his face. Like I
like this Fisk a lot. So yeah, I'm I'm really
really down for it. And in terms of Vanessa as well,
I'll just pairing since I brought her up, I think
this episode like didn't do a lot for me, Like
for her, I think her better episode would have been
probably last week just just with her and Matt just
I really like that scene when they were dancing. But yeah, no,
I'm I'm okay with her being on team with Team Fisk,
even though earlier on in the in the season, I
really thought that they were I didn't think they were
gonna be able to smooth it out. I thought one
of them was gonna be kicking the bucket and I
didn't think it was gonna be Kingpin. But yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: The one one thing that seems slightly off to me
and I wonder about is they were they were those
who having a conversation. I think this is like right
after I guess essentially the events of last week. Uh,
and he was talking about like, oh, we like when
when I was away, you were, you know, dealing in millions,
but now that I'm Mayor, I can deal in billions
or something like that. But I like, I forget exactly.
But the moral of it is, I feel like she
was kind of down playing her, like maybe talking down
to her, and I didn't really feel like we got
a perception of her feeling that way. But I wonder
if that is something that leads to I don't know,
a disconnection between them where she feels like she is
not being respected and she wants to feel like she's
the mayor too, even though technically he's the one that's
like been elected and all that. But Yeah, I didn't
really feel like this episode was really hinting at that.
It's more like one kind of little breadcrumb. But curious
to see what kind of journey she goes on in
season two because I feel like it must be something
or else, Like, I don't know. I kind of feel
like we got her arc to lead up to this point,
and like maybe she's just a lackey or maybe she
just gets killed by Frank early on and that's like
leads to some other issue and she's like more of
a plot device character. But I kind of feel like
they've built her up to be a pretty major character
who has her own train of thought and like is
doing stuff, and we didn't see any of that because
it was all like, you know, when the show wasn't
around kind of thing. But I don't know, I feel
like there's I'm curious to see what route she goes
on in the next season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess they might just have her do more
issues that like, hey, if Fisk were to get caught here,
it look really bad, So send Vanessa because she's not
the mayor, even though she's the mayor's wife. It's like, well,
you go deal with like the Lucas of the world
or whatever, where he can just stay behind his office
because before he might make those calls or send Buck
or whatever. But now he knows that he has like
his other half. So yeah, well we'll see it. Definitely
to me, because I at one point thought they were
not gonna make her fist, was gonna kill her fell
like in the middle season, they were definitely going a
different route and we got here, which is fine because
I like that relationship. But yeah, we'll be curious, Kay,
what do you do now? There's as of right now,
no conflict. Right they resolved that they're both criminals, they're
both gonna build this organization. So are they just happy together?
I don't know. I guess he could always like I
don't want them to, but you can always throw a
kid in the mix, because they do have kids together,
and that's not been touched upon the show, right, So,
and that to me is just always a classic TV show,
a thing of what, oh we ought nothing for this
female character. Well that's get her pregnant, you know, and
they could do that because, like I said, it's it's cannon.
So yeah, right, uh let's get that break and then
we'll beat right back and we are back. So I
want finally talk about my boy Frank cast we've talked
around him. I had to switch seats because in my
house I got this stupid fucking window that he can't
put blinds on it. So on Frank Entrance, I couldn't.
It's just a music cune. I couldn't see Frank. So
I like I literally had to take a chair and
like sit like to left of the TV. It's awful
because it's summer now and it's these episodes. Drop whatever,
just to whatever complaint. But uh, yeah, Frank is there.
He's back. We knew he was coming or had a
good hunch she was coming back.
Speaker 3: Just hang the thumbnail again, like fuck off with these thumbnails.
Just spoil, like let me be surprised, please, who was
gonna come?
Speaker 2: But still when when I go to it, and.
Speaker 3: Like I didn't know for sure until I went on
Disney Plus I saw it.
Speaker 2: But I was so piss though, because I hovered over
it and it showed like last week's episode halfway progression,
as if I'm like watching the thumbnail forward last week's episode,
but it just says Frank Devil's standing in there. I'm like,
I don't even on the fucking episode and you're showing
me this. God damn it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see. I wasn't all because there are some
things you guys said. I thought, oh, there might be
some ways you don't know because if we've definitely I
think at least talk about this in the discord, because
they're like there's been set photos galore of these scenes
of like Punisher and Matt together, so we always knew, like, Okay,
he's coming.
Speaker 3: But it's still like it would have been hype if
I didn't see him coming.
Speaker 1: And I will say, this is where it's like love
that he's back, but it does just feel like the
TAD just rushed your messy just like hey Frank, yeah
I'm back. Someone called let's kill some bad guys. It's
just like to go from that one conversation to nothing.
It's similar to the Karen thing right to nothing else into
the season to like, okay, I'm back now. I even
thought we might get a solo scene of Frank, like
he's at his place struggling because Karen says that comming like, oh,
you know, you want us to believe you don't care,
but I think you do. So even if you saw him,
like seeing the TV or heard that, Matt merkshawn, he's
like rock in his chair thinking about it. But now
I just showed up and they know. They make the
joke like oh, you're all shaven, but it's like, yeah,
why is he all shave? Like why is he all clean? Cuties?
Like it just feels definitely like, Okay, we got we
had only a John Berthel for a certain amount of time.
Here we go, but it's great. We get this great
dynamic which we've never really gotten before. The two dynamics
we've gone was season two where it's Daredevil hunting Frank,
or is Frank is trying to kill someone and Daredevil's
trying to stop him. This is they have to work together.
Matt has no choice because unfortunately he doesn't work with Frank,
He's likely gonna be gunned down here. But at the
same time, while Dared Devil's trying to do his heroic
like do takedowns on guys, you just in the background,
just here and see Frank, and he's just like killing
people here stopped Frank. Yeah, and he's just killed him.
Especially at one time there's the one cop where they
found the bullets. We found out which cop did do
the killing on White Tiger.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the guy that we've seen a lot, but like
still has zero personality compared to everyone.
Speaker 1: He's just like bad Cop number two. But like even
then he like, go Frank goes to shoot him, and
Punisher or sorry, yeah, Punisher goes to shoot him. Daredevil
stops is going like, oh, you can't do that, Oh
do what this? And then you just headshots and other cops.
So it did put Mad in a very and I'm
not saying this is a bad thing for the show,
just like an interesting scenario. Again, even for next season.
It's like, and that's why I'm curious what they're gonna
do with him and the kill rule because the way
he was talking to Karen and he sounded like he
was like, oh my whole life, I've kind of denied
the darkness, but it's definitely their So it's like, are
you just gonna be killing people or really hurting people
because they have put them in kind of an empire
strikes back situation where like I don't know, you might
have to kill your way out of this. Like again,
the easiest resolution is just for Frank to put a
ball in Kingpin. Like honestly, like none of us take
down the loss stuff everything. It's like it's just get
them in the same room together. But birth not all delivered.
Like I said, my only con here was there's way
too much CGI blood in here. Every person like was
a like a water balloon. It's so it just lost
its impact. I'd rather be like, if there's gonna be
four kills in the scene, three out of four just
like a gunshot at a stab and they fall down,
and then there's one where it's like, oh gnarly, But
every time when he's just like it just looks like
video game effects not as good. And then also just
like in general, just the fight scenes were just not
as good, Like when Frank went to go take down
the cops by himself at Red Hook, it was just
a lot of like close ups on him like elbowing
guys and shoot, you couldn't see much just was like, okay,
I get it, you guys. Shot was probably quickly because
it was not planned, So I hope with the Punisher
Special and next year just the action is a little
bit better, but maybe it's never going to reach that
Netflix slow and I just have to be used to that,
you know.
Speaker 3: So Yeah, overall I did like the scene. I don't
maybe you know, maybe I thought the scene was like dark.
I didn't like notice the blood as much, maybe as
the glare on your TV was just like making the
blood glow like Stanley's green drink from whatever movie that
happens in. Okay, but yeah, I really like that scene.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 3: I did think it was a little odd, just like
the pacing of it that like almost all of Frank
shots were in slow mo, but then almost all of
Matt's shots were in like regular mo, I guess, so
it was just like it just was jarring to go
back and fourth, not super jarring, iss to like get
really fun scene. I think mostly just the tension of like, yeah,
Frank just killing these people, Matt not wanting to kill him,
but it's still like doing some pretty brutal stuff for them,
and then just kind of that tension between it. So
I really like that scene. But I agree with you
the the takedown of him, like you take down a
guy like punisher very rarely. I feel like you should
make that scene and like pop a little bit more
once again. It was just like a dark, little like
ramp in the side of this facility. Yeah, like it
could have been a little bit better, or at least, like,
I could have been more fun if he took down
a lot more people before that happened, like took down
like twenty guys or something like that. But it was
a little bit smaller scale, so could have been a
little bit better. I think that was maybe maybe maybe
just the pacing of like having the big action set
piece like earlier on in the episode and then kind
of a more mediocre stuff at the end. Maybe that
was why I was a little unsatisfied. But like when
credits were rolling, I guess he.
Speaker 1: Did get to kill all those fucking cops. Though, you know,
that was great. I've been you. He got a lot
of KOs and I can't he still didn't get that
main one, so I can't wait for whether it's in
the special or season two when he gets his hands
on the guy who's like, you know, Frank, we all
really love you around here. You're kind of like an idol.
That's one thing before Kirkling goes that I loved that scene.
I wish I wanted a little bit more. Also, they
couldn't do this because in the comic books he's like,
you don't look after me, you look after that guy.
It's like a post of Captain America. It's like, that's
a fucking hero. I'm not a hero. I like they
did do the speech of like you don't know my
pain and everything like that, but I just wish that
scene would have been a bit longer to really get
into like why you guys following me? But like it's
just like Perfle being like you've clowns, your fucking clowns.
Like he's doing his mumble things.
Speaker 3: It was too one sided. I think, yeah, we need
like a spice of your character on the other end.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, Yeah, so I think it was a
good scene. I just think there was meat left on
the bone. I don't know if that's because they, like
I said, reshot stuff whatever, or because we're getting that
special if they're just like, well, let's really dive into
this dynamic when we got forty five to fifteen minutes
just alone with Frank. So for me, it's a wait
and see it was a good scene could have been.
I was hoping it was gonna be a great scene
like the Matt and Daredevil, like Tomboy ideologies, because you
could say the same that Frank. You could have a
good cop character that is bad just say like, it
doesn't matter, you're still killing all these people. Then it
should be up to Frank to be like explained, Yeah,
but you're not me. You're here to protect and serve,
you're here to pull the law. You're not supposed to
be what I'm doing. I'm an example of the law
failing and the system failing. Not all of you should be.
But I thought it was a great shot of Frank
waking up and they had the camera behind him and
it's just dozens of cops with the Punisher logo of
just like and he's just shaking head. I thought that
was like a really nicely done shot.
Speaker 2: So hmm, yeah, I really love that scene. I agree
with everything you guys said. I pretty much just across
the board wanted more of that stuff. I did like
how like the quick little lines that Frank would be
saying the bad cop, Like it'd be a quick little
thing like yeah, your fucking clowns or whatever you would say,
and then we would cut back to the other sequence.
I think that was when the Commissioner was getting lemon.
See it was yeah, yeah, so it'd go like from
back and forth there, so it kind of just like
drew out the ten. But I think, like the Frank stuff,
it didn't like it. It's worthy of just standing on
its own, like it doesn't have to be paired with
another scene. So I would have just appreciated more of that.
I could have just taken Commissioner being killed off screen
because I don't have a lot attached for that character.
I assumed he was gonna be killed there, though I
didn't really I like I I I guess I like
the Kingpin action, but just like the technical technicality of it,
it looked just really cgi for me. And like when
when he actually like squished his head, I was expecting
to just like pop like a like a water balloon,
but he like rips the jaw and then it like
looks like he like peels his face back. But then
I like I like clued in, and then it was
just because like yeah, his jaw broke and then blood
just went kind of everywhere. And it's just the way
that he like rubs his hand on his head. It
just made it look really really strange, as if he
just peeled an orange or something. But uh, yeah, I
don't know. Maybe maybe I was getting the uh the
Travis c Gi blood that I had the same brightness. Yeah, exactly,
You're just me standing there naked watching the episode.
Speaker 1: Well, and what's something I didn't said much? You think
we've all agreed. Mike said, I was begging for someone
to turn the lights on in those action scenes, which
you know, I think that's just like, unfortunately a Hollywood
thing the past fifteen years, Like just even night scenes
in general. Right, we always talk about like sometimes like
what's going on. I can't remember what movie we were watching,
me and Emily, but it's like all the nighttime stuff
was blue, and I'm just like I wish just go
back to that. I know it looks fake and whatever,
but it's like, just make my time.
Speaker 2: To go again in the sky where they filmed it
all in the day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe not that much, because that is bad thing.
But like even when we film our stuff, like we
try our best to be like, hey, we're gonna have
a light outside, even if it's like you can tell hey,
it's a light. It's like, I can't remember who said
it to Peter Jackson, but uh god, what's this Shawn
Assen's I think with Shawn Assen, he asked somebody about
the music and he's like, well, you know, in this
movie it's very fantasy blah blah, and he's like, well,
where are those lights coming from? And the director, I
think it's director Jackson or someone goes like, it's the
same place where the music's coming from. It's like, it's
a fucking movie. It's a show. Like no one's gonna care.
Like if these if you're like, oh, it's nighttime, but
why can we see man punishers so clearly? I don't care.
I'd rather just see them clearly, like throw a fucking
light there and just be like, oh, there's a headlight
or who cares. It's as long as you can see
outside a window. It's nighttime, right, it's nighttime.
Speaker 2: I get the guys at the boom mics, you know,
breaking the fourth wall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe not that far, of course.
Speaker 2: Closing out my thoughts on the Punisher stuff here, I
think I was a little bit disappointed with how it ended,
because you do like, it's a big build up of
the whole season of like Frank actually conversing with like
these cops that are taking the whole symbol of the
punisher in a completely wrong, wrong sense, especially with what
their job is supposed to be, just the way that
it ends with him just getting like beat on. I
think I was just in my mind expecting him to
get an escape, which doesn't happen. I guess it does
happen later on, So it's like, why even have him
go on the boat or wherever the hell he is,
Like you don't even have Kingpin interact with him or
anything like that. Like, it just seemed like such a
waste of We're gonna crown him, get into the scene
mid credit scene, he's gonna be smoozing this cop that's
just in love with him. He's gonna rip his arm off,
and that's how he gets out. So it just seemed
like a lot of it seemed like we took the
long route when there was an obvious shortcut to get
to the same situation. And I felt a little bit, Uh,
I don't know, I was gonna say disappointed.
Speaker 1: I was disappointing the med critsy because I agree with you,
because I was fun with him being locked up. Okay,
again I would It's Colm book stuff, right, Why would
you not just assassinate Frank Castle? You know how dangerous
he is. The second you have him gunshot on the head,
it's over see layer Punscher. But I can get Fiscus
who he is. He wants to dangle the carro and whatnot.
They have a history, right.
Speaker 3: And to make a publicity stunt out of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, the execution of Frank Castle live on Thursday,
you know. Yeah, at seven fifty on the Dodge, we're
off according to the fight scenes, we don't know oh yet,
but so like I get that, and I did. I
was a little this when uh Kingpin walked right past him,
because I've talked about this on the sow many times
that Frank said the next obviously he's chained up, but
he said the next time I see you, I'm gonna
kill you. And I do hope we're going that way
or something that way. But I was fine with, Okay,
Frank's locked up, because I thought that was gonna be
the special Okay, the specialist. Frank's got to get out
of here and we're gonna see him just tear through
this red hook and like that to me, if you
were to pitch me, hey, it's a Frank Castle has
to escape a prison movie. That sounds cool. I'm all
down for that, But then one when he escapes in
the mid credits, like Kurtin said, why do we do this?
And two, for me, it was just dumb. I cannot
believe any especially when he's like, oh, yeah, you know
who I am. Oh, yeah, I know you are. I'd
rather at least the cop be like, no, man, I
don't know the fuck you are. I'm just watching you, right,
because that would be dumb. But at least you'd maybe
not think, oh, it's a punisher. If you know this
guy's a punisher, you're gonna shake his hand. That's some
of the laziest writing ever. And an he prays it
like do something like there's like and this is why
I literally think. I wonder if this scene was like
they announced that special and like we should put something.
I wonder if they did the show and they went
thar with a special, and my idea was that they
were gonna have Frank locked up. But the special they
want to do, they're like, actually, we don't want to
do Frank locked up? That sounds boring, like we want
to do something else, but like, but in season two
we had him locked up, Well what if we like
quickly like get John back and film him break it out?
Like it felt like they completely turned back around said, actually,
we don't want to do that storyline. We want to
get him out of there, which is just like there's
lots of guards there. How can he get out this
time but not get like but he got captured last time.
It's very it's messy. It has nothing to do with
birth all. Birthall is always just one hundred percent there.
I think he's acting good of like, oh yeah, I'm
from Jersey too, and like he's he's so he reminds
me of such a young de Naro. It's so funny,
but it's very lazy and it doesn't make any sense
why he's there unless the special literally picks up with
him again to have the cage and it's still that
of him versus all these cops again. So I'll wait
and see, but very very weak, like there's great, these
people are great showrunners writers. You couldn't think of anything
else to get him out of this cage, like and
he's even chained up too. He's not like the other
people are just in there. He's chained up like Hannibal Elector.
I don't even know why he doesn't have a mask
around his mouth.
Speaker 3: But I agree, what is the point of that chain
if he can still walk around the room and like he.
Speaker 1: Can literally extend his hand outside the hole.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy, no sense? Yeah, yeah, really really weird? Uh,
I think, Yeah, what you're saying there, like that feels
like a scene that they had him come back to
do and like I have to go back and watch
the shot again when like Kingpin's walking through there. But like, yeah,
there's just no chance that those two actors were on
set the same day in my opinion, Like I don't know,
maybe they just didn't write a line for it, but yeah,
like they the fact that they wouldn't have like a
glance at each other or like that was would have
been a great opportunity to hindsight to just have like
a minute or two of Kingpin just like digging into
him hard, like hey, I won this thing. Yeah, and yeah,
maybe I don't know, Like I'm sure Frank would yeah
back at him, but I don't know what that whole
scene would look like but even if somehow they like
locked up his mouth or something so he couldn't talk
and it was just Kingpin like berating him, I think
that would have been really great. But like, yeah, that
definitely seems like a in the eleventh hour kind of thing,
like coming into to make a change to get that
scene happening.
Speaker 1: Even that moment would have been great for Frank to
just be like, hey, why don't you just kill me?
And you know, Kingpin have this nice good so silo
qui of just like, oh, I want to keep you
alive so you can watch all this. You know, like
that doesn't give me. Killing you is not satisfying. It's
you having to just sit here in the cage and
rod away like and the thing is like, even then,
like couldn't you have shot that? Like Dylan, you've never
seen it. But they in the Zack Snarers, just like
they at the end of the movie, they give Jared
Leto's Joker and Ben Afflex Batman a scene together for
the first time. They were not in the same room
when they shot this, but they like use doubles and
it's like a five minute conversation and it looks like
they're beside each other talking and it's like even that
if you can't get them together. So I wonder if
King Pin at one point walked by age that did
not have Frank Castle or something, you know, because it
just feels like that that's there was such a sticking
point in season two, like there was a big moment
where they helped each other out of prison in a
way and they both made threats at each other. So
I was really hoping for one mini fifteen to twenty
second conversation of just like, yeah, I won, and you're
gonna sit here and watch him win every single day,
you know. But no, nothing, It's just like, ah, he's
another guy. We didn't mention they also got swordsmen, so he's, uh,
he's locked up there. I guess he didn't make that donation,
so you know.
Speaker 2: I thought that was val next to him for a
second too. The thunderbolts, like, oh my god, they're really
setting upon bowls here. What what's going on?
Speaker 1: I get Frank on that team, man, fuck. I'd love
to see him, like I put Red Guardian him in
a room together and just see what happens, Just see
what happens for a little bit you know. So I'm
not saying he's gonna kill him, just I think Frankle
fuck him up a little.
Speaker 2: You can replace task Master.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it's him under that mass. That's how they
snuck him out of there. He found a task master
cost you in the frank comp or the fist comp.
But is there anything else with Punisher we're not talking about.
Speaker 2: Uh when they're all in his little uh prepper shelter
thing that he has with Karen and Matt, like before
he offers them coffee, he does like his his own
stitches and then Karen's like, oh, yeah, how you doing.
It's like never been better. He walks over and in
like a true punish her fashion, Like I never thought
about like how the Punisher takes medicine, but like, of
course he just fucking choose the like the pills and
like the audio and don't had the audio design around it.
It is like he's chewing like crunchy hard candies, like
he's just breaking a jaw, just crunching down.
Speaker 1: Took the whole bottle.
Speaker 2: It sounded so loud when he was just crunching.
Speaker 3: On jawbreaking, just like the commissioners.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I'm sure he just choose jawbreakers also like apples,
like like if he maybe it's his favorite type of candy.
Just you just he's that hard man. He's the punisher,
so he's probably really appreciated that detail.
Speaker 1: He's buying through people's bones with those teeth. You know,
all these pills are nothing for him. Frank. Yeah, let
me look at my notes here, make sure he didn't
forget anything on Frank. Oh, that's one thing I did
like when we talked about a little bit. But Frank
was trying to get Matt to kill that cop, and
I really liked that moment he had the baton and
Matt s do it, Red, go on, do it? Just
get old, we'll do it, and like I like, again
Matt didn't fully go that way, but I love that stuff.
And then after he didn't did it, they got like
a pushing match until like grenade what and then like
he like runs him out, which again good time on
the jump, because what happens if Frank just jumps and
like Matt does not catch him, and poor Karen.
Speaker 3: They put into Matt as if they had choreographed that move.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not like the Defenders. They've like fought together
a few times in like eight years, like they've.
Speaker 3: Not and the way he threw his arms out punish her,
like you know, he was like, I'm just gonna I'm
just gonna like fly and squirrel this, I'm gonna like
resist as much as again. I'm just gonna smash into
the pavements like fucking bulls Eye, and I'm gonna survive
it just like bulls Eyed.
Speaker 1: Or I guess that's always the thing too with that,
with him going to the cops, Frank Castle is kind
of always looking to like he's kind of suicidal in
a sense, right, Like he's always just looking for someone
to put him as his misery. So maybe Daredel didn't
do my favor that he's like, this is a good
way to go out. I'm gonna jump out Haden and
Matt everyone read I could catch myself.
Speaker 2: But like he's never seen Matt use that gadget before, right,
so he's probably pretty sure he was gonna die.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I guess they always say what I guess,
I'll try to help them out as they say. I
think there's like five years between season three and now,
so clearly I guess maybe they've bumped into each other
a couple times, which again I always say, then why
didn't Matt like turn him in? Like it's a weird
dynamic where Matt's like, don't kill these people, but like
he doesn't like arrest them, he doesn't tell the cops.
So it's like a very tough gray area, but you know.
Speaker 2: And then not killing innocence, right because it's.
Speaker 1: True, but pre doesn't want to kill anybody, right. That's
the thing. Except for Bullseye, which we'll talk about in
a second.
Speaker 3: Someone is the more he wants them alive. Yeah, when hector,
he's like, ah, fine, that's fine, he can pass away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's all good. Yeah, there's another good punisher shot.
Like when Karen was like clean up Matt's wounds, they
framed it that Frank's like head was in the background
and he kept like looking over at him. I enjoyed that,
just Frank being kind of weird and stuff.
Speaker 3: But Karen, I got some wounds, do.
Speaker 1: Want some coffee? Foo?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, just some fun. But yeah, I whatever, I whatever
it is, I can't wait now. I guess I shouldn't
say whatever, because, like we said, we had some problems
with that scene. I hope that the Punisher special is
uh because of some good stuff. And again I'll always
be saded for birth All. I think birth All you
could put him in Seek Your Invasion and he would
still be the best thing in that show.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: He just always delivers, didn't miss a beat, his greatest punisher,
just tear through some people. And I'm excited for him
to getting his hands on that cop eventually because it's
got a that cop has to go down by Frank
one hundred percent in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's just got like the worst, like shitting and
grin like all the time too, Like it just as
a permanent smirk when when Fisk is like a dress
seeing his like cabinet or whatever, and then they go
out on their orders and he's just always like, oh yeah,
we're gonna go punish some people. I'm ready for him
to die. Yeah, man, it's funny that just talk abou
John Berthal. I just randomly on rotation, I started watching
How I Met Your Mother Again, haven't watching a long time.
He appears in like the second episode of that show,
and he is like a completely no name, like just boyfriend,
hookup guy. It's just it's so funny, like literally watch
that like two days ago. He's like way younger. Also, yeah,
and then.
Speaker 1: I'll bring it up. I'll bring a photo up and.
Speaker 2: Then to watch this here where he's like clean cut
Frank Castle just kick an ass and yeah, he's he's
come a long way with his career. That guy.
Speaker 3: True, he's on the top.
Speaker 1: Of the world ship. Look at this.
Speaker 3: It's like Connor.
Speaker 1: He does. Yeah, that's the Punisher right there before he
goes to war.
Speaker 2: You know, he's that's dependent that he's gone. Maybe it's
actually the logo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I met the Punisher. Yeah, that's what they called
the Special too. Just yeah, so we talked about them
quickly they did another tie. I guess we'll talk about
this so we can bring up Kirkland's favorite boy here. Uh.
They we got a flashback with Bullseye with Vanessa talking
to him giving him a release because they said that, uh,
Fist got acquitted because the the I was corrupt and
as I put the discord and yeah, but like Fisk
is the one that corrupted him. So I feel like
that shouldn't be going to prison. But I guess their
idea kind of was saying that, like because there was
so many bad FBI agents and whatnot. They didn't know
what would stick or right out, so Fist got a quitted.
So if anyone was wondering because he got arrest in
season three and him Vesta got split up, I guess
he did go to trial and just got to quitted
and he was fine off and Danny thought it was
a weak reason. I agree with Mike. I'm glad they
gave one. But it was very much like okay, Like
when you watched season three, you just know, like, okay,
A couple of months later or I guess maybe a year,
but still it's just like they're like, no, yeah, he's fine,
he's not guilty, let him go. And I guess what
that happens in real life. Of course it's just in
a TV show. It so like a little anti climatic.
But I just remember for years people being like, was
it the blip? Was it? This was it that she's
like now it was regular like they couldn't get it
together and stuff. But she's talking to bulls Eye. And
this is what's very interesting, right because they put Bullseye
in a seam and we didn't talked about like him
and Vanessa and leaving a good place like he was
trying to kill Vanessa the last time they saw each other, right, yeah,
specific because asient Nedine was crep, but like he was
corrupt because they killed a guy in front of the
demon said like, you gotta do this or we'll kill
your fucking family. Like that does not sound like Nadine.
You know, I get it he was crep, but like
it's corrupt because fists made him do these things. I digress.
She's talking to bulls Eye saying, oh, well, it's no,
it's no fair. You shouldn't get a second chance. You
know it wasn't right what happened to you, and you
know your problems with my husband. I haven't seen my
husband in months. Whatever, If you sign this, you get
a second lease on life. But I also need to
kill Foggy Nelson and could you do that for me?
What I'm I'm intrigued in, but I'm also I'm not
gonna say worried, but don't know if I want In
this flashback, they made him very It was very much
someone taking advantage of a mentally ill person. He is
shaken up, he's not good. She's not even letting them
give him his fucking pills unless he signs his papers.
It's like, what choice does he have but sign this paper?
And then at the end of this episode, I think
he was back at like where like Avocado's a lot
like it looked like where madd and Foggy used to be,
Like they're building. I think they're gonna make Bullseye a
fucking good guy or he's gonna be on our side
next season. I really do, because when they had that
shot the glass and then he just like hugging his
head down, it wasn't like, oh yeah, bulls Eyes coming,
it looks like he's hurting now again, how much didn't
you cheer for a guy that killed Foggy Nelson Again?
Maybe that's why Foggy's not actually dead and that could
be the full thing that redeems bulls Eye right of
like even though he did kill like twelve people in
that bar. But I think it's gonna be a situation
where they have to work with bulls Eye and they're
highlighting him as a I won't say simpath that a character,
but a character that's been taken advantage of. So, Kirkle,
how do you feel about us.
Speaker 3: Are gonna take advantage of him?
Speaker 1: Just No, I think Bulls I will come to and
be like, I'll help you kill Fisk. I'll kill Fisk,
I'll kill Vanessa, I'll do them all, because I think
it's gonna be like the enemy, the enemy is my friend. So, Kirk,
how do you feel about Bulls. I I'm telling you
he's joining Team Dared all the next season they're gonna
be They're gonna be a team. They might still decide
to fight at the end of it and say, hey,
once this is over, I'm coming for you. But I
think he's getting a minor Kylo ren Esh redemption arc here.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, if it's gonna happen and I
can't stop it, I'm just hoping the writing is good
around that character, and I think a complicated dynamic, like
he wants to basically help the force of Matt Murdock.
We're already kind of picking apart us.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he needs some troops. Cherry, you know, you
need point dexter Man. We can't Cherry can't throw pencils
at people.
Speaker 2: Cherry hasn't shot a gun in a while. They need
the guy that shoots his teeth with the rattling gun.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's got tons of weapons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I feel like, also, you know, to push
back on myself, I feel like the way that they've
handled Bullseye in this specific show, like I've actually liked
him a lot more than and the actors great too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, delivers everything.
Speaker 2: He was really good for sure. I did like seeing
that sequence of the flashback when he's just super super vulnerable,
just a terrible like nurse or like medicine official that
like just hands out the medicine just like walks away.
It's all like ma'am, Like you can't just take his
pills away from him, like he kind of has to
take those. But whatever, I'm hyper analyzing that sequence. But no,
I'm I'm intrigued by this wild factor, especially just with
how this season ended. It seems like the whole city
is kind of under Kingpin's thumb right now, so to
have just a lot more wild cards out there, Frank,
you know, you go out pretty pretty easily. Bullseyes out
there like there is people that really want fist dead
out there, and uh yeah, no, I'm excited to see
that dynamic.
Speaker 1: And imagine if Frank meets back up with them and
he sees that Matt Murdoch is working with bulls Eye
and then that whole thing about like Frank being like,
why didn't you kill that guy? Why didn't you like,
oh he got life, Like what about Foggy's life? Like
I would cause I guess I'm also I want the agenda.
I go, I want Punisher versus bulls Eye, like I
want to fight. I want that YouTube clip. I want
that to happen. But I just feel like Frank would
be so discussed and even Karen. Imagine Karen having the
like and there's so many times even in the Punisher show,
right like or Sin Dared Devil, Karen would side with
Punisher over Matt, and Matt would just be like disgusted
by it. But I guess see that situation where Karen
hates that we're working bulls Eye and Frank comes back,
He's like, what the fuck? Like you're working with this guy?
Like there's lots of good dynamics there, and oh man.
Speaker 3: Could be it would be pretty intense if we got it.
Kind of like like let's say this is like an
episode one thing of season two, like flipping it comparing
it to this season of like everyone's in Josie's bar,
We're making the plan, How are we gonna take this down?
And like Bullseye walks in the door, oh yeah, you know,
just like he did at the start of this season,
but like a in a very different context and this
time like trying to trying to make a deal to me.
That would be like I don't know if I'd be
like a jumping the Shark moment, but I just feel
like that would be a huge stretch of logic for
a lot of our carriages. I feel like maybe more
like realistic situation is we're like at the what's it
called the Red Hook, right, We're like there or you know,
one of these places with a bunch of the corrupt
cops and whatnot, and like Daredevil's there, maybe he's there
with Punisher and they're taking out some bad guys and
then like Bullseye also shows up, and then they kind
of realize, okay, we're after the same guys here, and
they like work together like in that scene. But I
don't I don't see it ever get to the point
where like bulls eyes like hanging out of Josie's drinking
like a whiskey sour and like, okay, guys, what's the plan?
What are we gonna do next, Like you guys want
to go, you know, up another bar after this, like
go get some drinks whatever, Like I don't. I don't
see it like getting to that kind of No.
Speaker 1: I agree with your scenario where I still think they
would have maybe for like if it's that episode where
Karen finds out about this and it's a little disgusted
with Matt that he had to even like for a second,
work with them, but they she'll eventually understand. But I
think it's like that where it's just there's a situation
or the show up at the same time, or there's
some McGuff and that bulls Eye has, whether it's information
or a person that they have to get from bulls Eye.
So yeah, I think it'll be like that. I don't
think he's ever gonna get a tabot Jose. He's gonna
go back to a normal This man can't go back
to a normal life. It's it's over for him, you know.
But I love because I just we told this last week.
To me, he just represents chaos. So I just love now.
Even next year, I think we're just gonna be okay.
We know Bullsy's gonna be there. What's he gonna do
like at any moment he could. He he could turn
on Matt in the middle of that battle when they're
working together. You know, he decided, you know what, actually
I do want to kill Dared Dobell and then he's
gonna throw whatever he has in his hands or his
feet or his mouth, whatever it could be. So yeah,
teeth tell yeah, maybe he's gonna have new teeth and
just shoot those out. They'll be like uh grills where
you can have them like file. So yeah, but I
can't wait. More bulls Eye the better I'm I can't wait.
I'm happy. Like season two could be really great if
we get Punisher back for that with the special we
got bulls Eye, made some other heroes, Karen's back, we
got fist full and like bad guy mode, like season
two has like the potential. They got tons of things
set up that are like all I'm interested in.
Speaker 2: So mm hmm, this meme just won't die. I'm just
I'm gonna have to live it.
Speaker 1: None see you get yet you see him again next year.
Can't wait. And I think I have seen some set
photos that looks like they're actually giving him the uh
the bulls eye on his mask now finally on his
skin mask, just the masks. They're not going that far,
So that's that's nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh anything else we have touched upon.
Speaker 3: Negative spats?
Speaker 1: Nope, Uh, mister Buss, what would you give this?
Speaker 3: Oh that's really tricky.
Speaker 2: Such a mixed bag.
Speaker 3: We had some low episodes, we had some filler episodes,
we had some great episodes. We had some decent episodes
that had some great moments. So we really ran the gamut.
I think I'm just gonna drop a clean seven point
five on this bad boy, maybe seven point three. I
want to go higher than a seven, but five feel
a little high. I gon have seven point three. Looking
forward to next season, I think we definitely if this
truly was a setup season all along, I think we're
due for like a really spicy one next season. So yeah,
hopefully we get that either way. I was just really
happy to have Daredvel back. And yeah, I wasn't perfect,
but I still had a good time with this for
the most part. Only like a little bit of down
points in the in the in the middle there, but
like started pretty well, ended pretty well. So yeah, I'm
I'm I'm happy. I'm satisfied, I'll say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like not that we're excusing show because
I feel like that I'm pretty much exact same as
you do. Because at first I was like, oh, seven
point five, I'm like, oh, that seems too high, and
then seven seems too low. It's like I think I'm
with you, like seven three or seven point two five
somewhere there. Let me. I kind of sit on it
for a bit, which is like a down great because
the other shows to me, we're all like nine and above,
so that's like a couple points off. And even then,
like I like, I feel like I think I have
like a couple of seasons out of ten. So I
love that old show. But next year, there's no like, oh,
Frankenstein's season. All the different creators like to me, it's
there's no more like, oh it's starting slow. It's like,
I'll give you this it again. Also came at a time
where there's tons of change over Disney. The strikes. They
were changing leadership, you know, swapping one ball with another.
They changed all their kind of modules again of how
they're doing TV and movies. So it's like, Okay, a
lot of stuff went down, But next year, no excuse.
I'm not saying every episode has to be ten to
ten next seasons ten no, no, no, just the way we
talk about how there's some stuff that was not consistent,
whether it was even in the episodes that were the
former team or this team or all together. Just I
hope that there is a clear path next year. But
I think another thing that just makes this show so
strong is the performances we talk about every week. But
you know, even though we'll not carry Karen for a
little bit, but like Matt Kingpinn, Vanessa, Frank, like those performances,
even with the any of the guy who did, like
who played White Tiger, he was fantastic. Like even times
where it's like the materials a little lacking, these actors
do raise it up. But yeah, some mess some episodes
that were kind of you know, I didn't love the
Bank episode. I didn't love episode three, like Kirkle. I
had those like very low down lots of you know,
stuff that I wish fights were better, some very iffy
CGI and kind of you know, just not volume stuff,
but volume s stuff. So yeah, definitely some jots down
for writing, and then also just on a technical side,
So I'll say seven point two five, so just a
little under mister bustle point zero five.
Speaker 2: So uh kurkle, Yeah, I'm I'm right in that ballpark
with you guys. I think I'll go seven point five four.
Oh yeah, yeah, just some point four, a little bit
under seven point five. I I feel like an average
earlier on Like there's only really four I think four,
I think really just four episodes out of this whole
season of nine episodes that I'm like, yeah, those are
those are bangers, which you know that's that's under fifty percent,
but I think they were true bangers in my eyes,
and like really lifted it up as a whole. And
as I had already said, the ones that I I
don't mention in those four there's like they're still okay,
like like like the performances are still really good, it's
just the where they fit in the overall story. I'm
not necessarily the biggest fan of. So yeah, I think
this this reborn you know, Daredevil Born Again season. It
could have been way worse. It could have been like,
oh man, they really really did not do it. They
probably should just let this one die. I'm glad we
were not having those topics of conversation right now, what's.
Speaker 1: That original season like then, you know, before they did
the like when we don't have episodes.
Speaker 3: Oh I see, yeah, you know have been a four
point seven out Yeah, Like.
Speaker 1: I would love to see at that point when they
sat down and they did go like we gotta fix
this and reshoot some stuff, like I wonder what it
was looking like near the end especial because remember that
was when they were doing the eighteen episodes as well,
like for a lot of muse Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: We'll to stretch out that bank scene, the bank in
the trilogy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh yeah. So next time, I'm sure on a
next Geek First podcast when we do what we've been watching,
we'll get Tato's final thoughts or something like that. But
uh yeah, thank you everyone that tuned in. Thank everyone
in the discord. It's been a fun time. But uh,
luckily it'll be back next year for Daredevil and then
this Punisher special. We got lots of stuff more meat
on the bone that happened, and uh, this is a
good time especially for you me though, And this was
completely new. We've been doing this binge in the past
and now we did this we weekly, so it was
something different, but.
Speaker 3: And you know what, Like, after having Black Mirror this weekend,
I don't like binging anymore. I can't do it anymore.
Speaker 1: So I like weekly with Yeah, well, if you like weekly,
we're always here weekly by daily, and we'll be here
next year for Daredevil Born Again season two and it
will not be boring