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Speaker 1: And welcome.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: How are you welcome to the Big Podcast. It is Tuesday.

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Today is the sixteenth day of September, year of our

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lower twenty twenty five. My name is Tom Sullivan. So

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we have Yeah, we've got a lot to go over today.

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A big chunk of it will be from the Utah

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County District Attorney on the charges that he's going to

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lay on the shooter. I got a nice email from

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Noel who said, don't call him the shooter, call him

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the killer. All right, we'll call him the killer.

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Speaker 3: We got that, But there's just.

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Speaker 1: A lot of this is just so strange, and I

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keep thinking, no, it's we're not changing. You know, eighty

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percent of us are probably closer to each other than

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we think. And there's maybe ten percent wacko birds on

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the left and on the right, but most of us are.

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And I'm starting to question my naive tay. Maybe we've

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got first of all, Luigi Maggioni was in court today

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here in New York. We'll get into that. We've got

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socialism is on the rise. Now, capitalism still wins. Capitalism

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is going down, Socialism is going up. I don't know

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where that's going to wind up today. The FED has

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day one of their two day meeting. Lisa Cook is there, yep,

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because the judge said that you can't fire her, and

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I told you mentioned it yesterday. There are real questions

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about the documents that Bill Poulte said that she forged

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or she lied on them about her mortgage applications, and

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it's turning out where there's more reporting that says that

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she did not. So she's got to have her day

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in court to figure out what that is. But meantime

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she's at the FED meeting. Was one of the governors today.

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Robert Redford passed away today at the age of eighty

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nine at his home. They're not saying from what, but man,

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was he a big deal. I mean the list of

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his movies. He was an actor, director. He got into

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environmentalism in a big way. But the story he told

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about that was kind of interesting. He was born and

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raised in Los Angeles, and he said that back in

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the thirties, and he said, growing up in La La

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was the most beautiful city he's ever seen in the

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whole wide world. It was great. And then he said

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as he was starting, as he was growing up, he

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saw La start to get skyscrapers and freeways and traffic

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and smog and congestion, and he wanted to go to

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where there was an abundance of nature, just the opposite

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of what la Is is is an asphalt jungle. So

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that's why he bought a place of Botsom Land and

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in Park City, Utah, and the rest of it was

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the rest of the stories there. So I mean he's

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he has Sundance. He invented the Sundance Festival. He was

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in all the President's Men, he was in the Sting,

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he was in the Way We were, he was in

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ordinary people, he was in the natural, he was in

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Butch Cassidy, The Great Gatsby. I mean, he's kind of

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one of the last of the old Hollywood actors who

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were big deals back in the day. So God bless

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Robert Redford passed away at the age of eighty nine.

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All right, let's get in. I want to give you

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also a layout of the what the podcast is about. Today,

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the Utah County District Attorney gave almost a half an

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hour ressertation on the charges that he's bringing this to

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the killer, to the guy who who shot Charlie Kirk.

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So it's long, but I will play the whole thing

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for you. I cut off at the very end. He

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went through ten fifteen minutes of thanking everybody. But it

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was nice. But we have the meat for you of

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what's going on with that particular case. Before we get

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to that, though, let me get some of the other

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news of the day. I'll start with Luigi Maggioni was

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in court and the defense lawyer said that it's double

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jeopardy because the Feds and the state are both coming

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after him for murder. It's not exactly right. But this

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was in state court today and the judge in the

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case said, I agree with you. He threw out two

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terrorism charges. They were dismissed. There were people out in

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the street in front of the courthouse. It wasn't that many.

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The camera focused in on them. I'm guessing thirty people,

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and a lot of them were dressed in green, which

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is the character in Mario Brothers Luigi. The character is

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wears a green outfit. He's the kind hearted, cowardly Italian

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plumber and the younger fraternal twin brother in sidekick Camrio.

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So they really they're all dressed up in a in

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a Luigi costume, which is kind of weird. But here's

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some which some of them had to say about Luigi.

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Speaker 3: Heujing Gonzoni is an innocent man who's been held up

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by the rulinged glass an effort to make an example

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of an ncent person so that the rest of you

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don't dare to do anything that might be out of

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iron with Why would you bring the weapon with you

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to McDonald's. There's a lot of holes in the story,

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so if they say that he's guilty, will have to

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continue to fight. I think they framed him as a passy.

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they said, Hey, here's a kid with good teeth and

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nice hair, looks like that guy in the camera.

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Speaker 4: Let's string him up. Do you consider him a hero? Yeah,

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but he's charge of the murder.

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Speaker 5: Oh well, we're hoping, in a glimmer of hope that

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that changes.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not, I'm not jokes. Those people, the

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voices you just heard, were dressed up in Luigi Mario

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Brothers outfit, so kind of hard to take them seriously,

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But I guess they have nothing else to do in life,

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and maybe maybe they were Some of the people that

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were asked in all these surveys, there's a there's a

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big increase shocking, I can't believe people would say this,

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but a big increase in tolerance for would you be

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okay with murdering Elon Musk? Would you be okay with

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murdering President Trump? And the numbers are much much bigger

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than I would have imagined, And and they come out

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where it shows people on the left are much more

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positive about Yeah, we're fine with political violence or Musk

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or Trump than people on the right. So we're into

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this left versus right and who's more violent and who's

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not and who it's all of this. People are keeping scorecards,

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and I'm sure some of you have gone in and

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researched about, oh, who shot this person and who'd committed

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this crime? And were they on the left or on

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the right. I'm not sure that's the right question. It

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really comes down to me. What I'm concerned about is

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what is your reaction when you hear about political violence?

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Are you okay with it? Or does it make you

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stop and go, Oh, that's not right, that's not right.

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So it's right versus wrong. I know a lot of

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people doing the scorecard thing. I'm more concerned about just

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my names, my fellow countryman, are you okay with political violence?

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I know it's a lot easier when you attach a

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name like Elon Musk or Donald Trump to it, and

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then you can go, oh yeah, you can elicit a

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very strong response that way. But I'm not sure if

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it's anything more than just a strong response but not reality.

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Maybe I'm wrong, but our old friend Harry Enton, the statistician,

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has been checking on socialism and how socialism is doing

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in this country versus capitalism. Here's Harryton.

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Speaker 6: Okay. You know, I'm not really surprised that Kathy Holko

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decided to, in fact endorse Ramondani, because the fact is,

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socialism is not a four letter word in democratic primaries,

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not among democratic voters. It's a five letter word in

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the minds of a lot of Democrats, that five letter

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word being great. Look at this net popularity of socialist

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among Democrats. You go back to twenty ten, it was

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plus seven points. Look how high it is now up

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like a rocket, up to plus thirty six points. That's

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a jump of nearly thirty points on the net popularity

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scale among Democrats in just fifteen years. And I was

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looking at the polling from New York City, and what

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you see is the clear plurality of New York democrat.

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New York City democrats think the idea of having a

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socialist mayor is a good idea, matching.

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Speaker 3: What we see Nashally.

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Speaker 6: The bottom line is socialism isn't a dirty word among

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Democrats at this particular point. It's actually a word that

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one attach democrats seem to like it. That's all of

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a sudden, Socialism is now a five litter word great.

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What I would say is capitalism in the mine of

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democrats is a three litter word bad. What are we

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talking about net popularity of socialism among democrats. Look at

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this trend. It was plus eight points in twenty ten

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on the positive side of the ledger. Look at where

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we are in twenty twenty five, down falling through the

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floor at minus thirteen points. That's a drop of over

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twenty points in just fifteen years. So we see the

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exact op It's a trend that we see at socialism

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which is up and away. What we see with capitalism

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is down, down, down, through the floor. This is where

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the danger is for democrats, because if socialism plays in

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democratic primaries, it does not play in the general electorate.

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Speaker 4: What do we see going on here?

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Speaker 6: Net popularity among all adults, Capitalism is on the positive

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side of the ledger at plus twelve points, Socialism way

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way way underwater at minus eighteen points. So that's capitalism

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running away by thirty points over socialism. That is why

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Republicans are thanking their lucky stars if Mondonnie in fact

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wins the general election, because they feel like they can

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play off of him, because socialism may play in New

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York City among Democrats, but among the general electorate, Donald

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Trump and the Republicans are saying, hey, look at the

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socialist mayor in New York City. This is what we're

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dealing with. So again, something may play in democratic primaries,

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that may play in the very democratic city of New York,

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but among the general electorate, Republicans are salivating at the

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idea that they can run against a democratic socialist being

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the mayor of New York City.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and if things don't change, we're not that far

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away from election day. Mondannie is way ahead of everybody else.

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So and Kathy Hogle did, in fact throw an endorsement

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to her. And what's interesting about that is that none

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of the others are doing that. None of the others

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are jumping on board. I mean, Hakeem Jeffries, a Brooklyn Congressman,

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Chuck Schumer, Senator from New York. You can get on

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the list of Democrats are not following her. But she

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says that she is endorsing Mondannie because of Donald Trump

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and the fact that Donald Trump is interfering by the

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rumors were that he was offering some position to Eric Adams,

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the mayor. None of that has been verified, but she's not.

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She says, I have a lot of problems with what

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man Donnie is for his issues, but I will endorse

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him because I'm against Donald Trump. That's Kathy Hochele, the

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governor of the state of New York. What a sad,

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sad case. All right, you want to listen to this guy.

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I've always thought that Bill Maher was a big Democrat.

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I thought he hung out on the left side of

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the aisle. Here's his observation about all of this.

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Speaker 7: I don't want to talk. It's my main issue with them.

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They and Charlie Kirk was a guy who like he

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was always talking, and I talked to him here. You know,

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the right wingers say what you want about them, but

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they talk to you. They're not into this leftist think

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that the left really has much more of a I

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don't talk to you. I don't want to deal with you.

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You're deplorable. I can't break bread with you. Yeah, that

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attitude and like all the right wingers, they don't have

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that attitude.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's Bill Maher. I don't know. Maybe maybe he's

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coming around, but he very much is not impressed with

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the fact that leftists apparently think that they are not

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they're above you if you're on the right side of

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the aisle. So let's get to the update today on

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Charlie Kirk's case and the killer, the shooter is By

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the time we're done with this today, he will be

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a range. Well, he'll have his hearing. It'll be VI

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virtual hearing in Utah County, which is basically or Utah.

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So the DA there is a man by the name

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of Jeff Gray and he is, you know, he's the

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district attorney. And he came out today and laid out

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the case that he is presenting before the judge following.

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It's a very long it's twenty some minutes long. He

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lays out the case detail. You will hear things I

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hadn't heard before, and he's disclosing a lot of this information.

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out there on what mister Gray had to say. So

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here is the district attorney from Utah County, Utah who's

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presenting the case against the killer.

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Speaker 8: The murder of Charlie Kirk is an American tragedy. Charlie

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Kirk was murdered while engaging in one of our most

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sacred and cherished American rights, the bedrock of our democratic republic,

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the free exchange of ideas in a search for truth, understanding,

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and a more perfect union. It is also an offense

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against the state and to the peace and enjoyment of

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the people of Utah and of all those who visit here.

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But Charlie Kirk's murder also strikes a more personal and

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intimate court. Charlie Kirk was first and foremost a husband

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and a father to two beautiful young children. He was

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a son, He was a brother and a friend. Like

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all murders, the senseless and needless taking of Charlie Kirk's

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life has shattered the lives of those he loved and

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those who loved him, to Charlie's wife, Erica, his two

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young children, his parents, his family, and his friends. I

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express my sincere condolences and offer my heartfelt prayers on

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your behalf. I also went to express my concern for

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everyone who was at Charlie's Turning Point USA event at

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the university or University, Utah Valley University, and all who

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have been impacted by this tragedy. As County Attorney, I

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am charged with bringing justice to those who offend our laws.

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I am charged with bringing justice for those who harm

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for those who are harmed. I am charged with bringing

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justice for Charlie Kirk. I am committed to these aims.

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I take this responsibility seriously. Today, after reviewing the evidence

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that law enforcement has collected thus far, I am filing

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a criminal information charging Tyler James Robinson, aged twenty two,

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with the following crimes. Count one aggravated murder, a capital

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offense for intentionally or knowingly causing the death of Charlie

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Kirk under circumstances that created a great risk of death

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to others. Count two felony discharge of a firearm causing

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serious bodily injury, a first degree felony The state is

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further alleging aggravating factors on counts one and two because

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the defendant is believed to have targeted Charlie Kirk based

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on Charlie Kirk's political expression and did so knowing that

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children were present and would witness the homicide. The state

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is also charging defendant with count three obstruction of justice,

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a second degree felony for moving and concealing the rifle

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used in the shooting. Count four obstruction of justice a

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third degree, a second degree felony for disposing the clothing

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he wore during the shooting. Count five witness tampering, a

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third degree felony for directing his roommate to delete his

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incriminating texts. Count six witness tampering a third degree felony

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for directing his roommate to stay silent if police questioned him.

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And Count seven commission of a violent offense in the

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presence of a child a Class A misdemeanor for committing

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homicide knowing that children were present and may have seen

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or heard the murder, and did so based on Charlie

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Kirk's political expression. Also following the press conference, I am

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filing a notice of intent to seek the death penalty.

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I do not take this decision lightly, and it is

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a decision I have made independently as County Attorney, based

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solely on the available evidence and circumstances and nature of

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the crime. Because we are seeking the death penalty, the

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defendant will continue to be held without ball in the

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Utah County Jail. Turning to the ten page information, these

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are the allegations. On September tenth, twenty twenty five, at

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approximately twelve twenty three pm, Charlie Kirk was shot and

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killed while speaking to a large crowd on the campus

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of Utah Valley University in Orum, Utah. Police found the

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suspected murder weapon, a Bold Action thirty six rifle, nearby.

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Over the next approximately thirty three hours, police conducted a

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manhunt for the shooter until the evening of September eleventh,

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twenty twenty five, when Tyler James Robinson surrendered to police

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at the Washington County Sheriff's side. DNA consistent with Robinson

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was found on the rifles trigger. After shooting mister Kirk,

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Robinson hid the gun, discarded the clothing he wore when

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he fired the rifle, and told his roommate to delete

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incriminating text messages and not talk to police. Children were

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present at the time of the shooting. The shooting, Turning

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Point USA, a nonprofit organization founded in twenty twelve by

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Charlie Kirk, organized a public outdoor event to be held

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at noon on September tenth, twenty twenty five, at UVU.

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The event was the first in a series of similar

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events to be held at college campuses nationwide. Mister Kirk

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is a well known conservative activist, famous for these type

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of events where he discusses various political issues and debates

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with audience members. His events and comments have garnered a

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significant number of supporters and drawn the ire of many

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who disagree with his political views. The event at UVU

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was announced foreign advance and garnered significant publicity and interest. Consequently,

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several hundred people attended. Mister Kirk was interacting with the

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crowd before the event officially got under way. Then, at

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approximately noon, mister Kirk seated himself under a portable canopy

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behind a table and microphone. He began speaking to the

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crowd and fielding questions from attendees, a format mister Kirk

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commonly used at his events. Mister Kirk allowed his questionnaires

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to approach him a microphone position directly in front of him.

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Mister Kirk's team members were very close to him on

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his right and left, as well as some behind his canopy,

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and others at various close locations near him. The large

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crowd surrendered surrounded mister Kirk on three sides. Temporary metal

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fencing separated tendees from mister Kirk by only a matter

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of feet. Directly above and behind mister Kirk was the

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UVU Hall of Flags, an indoor walkway spanning several hundred

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feet with floor to ceiling glass windows which overlooked the

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plaza where mister Kirk was seated. People were in the

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walkway at the time of the shooting. Approximately fifteen minutes

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into the event, mister Kirk was answering a question about

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mass shootings by transgender individuals when a gunshot rang out.

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The bullet struck mister Kirk in the neck. He slumped

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to the ground almost immediately. The bullet's trajectory passed closely

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to several other individuals beside mister Kirk, including the questioner

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who was standing directly in front of mister Kirk. Children

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were visible near mister Kirk's stage when he was shot.

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Mister Kirk was rushed to a nearby hospital, where he

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was declared deceased. The medical examiner's report is still pending

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so UVU surveillance so at the moment of the shot,

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a UVU police officer was watching the crowd from an

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elevate advantage point. As soon as he heard the shot,

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he began to scan the area for threats. Believing the

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shot came from a rifle because of its sound, he

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looked for potential sniper positions. He noted a roof area

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approximately one hundred and sixty yards way Kirk as a

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potential shooting position and rushed there to look for evidence.

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The suspected shooting position is adjacent to an open, publicly

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accessible walkway. To access the suspected location, a person must

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climb over a railing and then drop to the roof

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only slightly below. The uv officer climbed over the railing

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and down onto the roof. He then walked to the

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suspected shooting position and confirmed a clear shooting corridor between

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the position and mister Kirk's seat. He also noticed markings

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in the gravel rooftop consistent with a sniper having lain

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on the roof impressions in the gravel potentially left by

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the elbows, knees, and feet of a person in a

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prone shooting position. Police reviewed surveillance from the case the

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roof and discovered that it recorded an individual dressed in

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dark clothing, crossed the railing from the public walkway and

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drop onto the roof at approximately twelve to fifteen pm.

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Although the individual moved out of the camera's view for

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a short time, the camera again captured the individual running

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across the roof and then low crawling to the area

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the UBU officer recognized as where the suspected sniper had

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dropped into a prone shooting position. After a short time,

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which matches the known time of the shot, the individual

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arose and ran across the roof to the northeast. This

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discovery led to an intensive review of UBU surveillance recordings

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to attempt to track and identify the suspect. Surveillance revealed

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the following At approximately eleven fifty one am, the suspect

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entered campus from the north. He is seen wearing a

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black shirt with an American flag in the center, a

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dark baseball cap, and large sunglasses. Throughout the surveillance, the

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suspect keeps his head down and rarely raises his head

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enough to get a clear image of his face. As

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he proceeds across the campus, he is seen walking with

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an unusual gait. The suspect walks with very little bending

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in his right leg, consistent with a rifle being hidden

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in his pants. This unusual gate continues until the suspect

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is seen crossing the railway, off the open walkway and

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onto the roof, where he leaves the camera's view. A

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camera later captures the suspect as he runs across the

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roof to the suspected shooting position. Immediately after the shot

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was fired, A camera uptures the suspect running across the

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roof carrying an item whose shape is consistent with a rifle.

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The suspect is then seen climbing down from the roof.

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He appears to drop the item he was carrying as

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he hits the ground in a controlled fall. He then

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picks up the item and runs toward the northeast end

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of campus. Expanded crime scene investigation law enforcement officers followed

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the suspect's escape path to the northeast end of campus,

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where they believe the suspect left campus and entered a

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wooded area. In that wooded area, investigators found a bolt

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action rifle wrapped in a towel. The rifle contained one

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spent round and three unspent rounds. This is consistent with

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the fat officers observed at the time of and immediately

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after the shootings. No shell casings were found on the roof,

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suggests a bull action rather than an auto loading weapon,

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and only a single round was fired. Each round in

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the rifle contained an etched inscription as follows. The fired

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cartridge was etched, No Tye's bulge? Oh woh, what's this?

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The second cartridge that was That was again not spent.

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The last three were not spent, were not fired. The

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second hey fascist catch with aero symbols. The third cartridge

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Oh bella chow bella chow bella chow chow chow. The

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fourth cartridge If you read this you are gay LMAO.

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The rifle, ammunition, rounds, and towel were sent for forensic processing.

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DNA consistent with defendant was found on the trigger, other

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parts of the rifle, the fired cartridge casing, two of

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the three unfired cartridges, and the towel. Law enforcement was

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unable to immediately locate the shooter, so they published photos

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of the shooter from the UVU surveillance cameras and asked

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for the public's help to identify him. Meanwhile, law enforcement

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continued to try to identify the shooter through other means

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the Washington County investigation. On the evening of September eleventh,

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twenty twenty five, as law enforcement continued their investigation, Tyler

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James Robinson went to the Washington County Sheriff's office with

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his parents and a family friend to turn himself in.

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Robinson's mother stated that the following to police. On September eleventh,

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twenty twenty five, the day after the shooting, Robinson's mother

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saw the photo of the shooter in the news and

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thought the shooter looked like her son. Robinson's mother called

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her son and asked him where he was. He said

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he was at home sick, and that he had also

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been at home homesick on September tenth. Robinson's mother expressed

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concern to her husband that the suspect shooter looked like Robinson.

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Robinson's father agreed. Robinson's mother explained that over the last

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year or so, Robinson had become more political and had

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started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro

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gay and trance, writes Oriented. She stated that Robinson began

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to date his roommate, a biological male who was trans

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transitioning genders. This resulted in several discussions with family members,

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but especially between Robinson and his father, who have very

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different political views. In one conversation before the shooting, Robinson

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mentioned that Charlie Kirk would be holding an event at UVU,

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which Robinson said was a stupid venue. For the event,

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Robinson accused Kirk of spreading hate. Robinson's father reported that

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when his wife showed him the surveillance image of the

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suspected shooter in the news, he agreed that it looked

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like their son. He also believed that the rifle that

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police suspected the shooter used matched a rifle that was

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given to his son as a gift. As a result,

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Robinson's father contacted his son and asked him to send

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a photo of the rifle. Robinson did not respond. However,

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Robinson's father spoke on the phone with Robinson, Robinson implied

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that he planned to take his own life. Robinson's parents

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were able to convince him to meet at their home.

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As they discussed the situation, Robinson implied that he was

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the shooter and stated that he couldn't go to jail

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and just wanted to end it. When asked why he

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did it, Robinson explained there was too much evil and

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the guy, referring to Charlie Kirk, spreads too much hate.

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They talked about Robinson turning himself in and convinced Robinson

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Robinson to speak with a family friend who's a retired

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deputy sheriff at Robinson's father. At Robinson's father's request, the

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family friend met with Robinson and his parents and convinced

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Robinson to turn himself in. The family friend spoke to

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police and reported telling Robinson that it would be better

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if he brought all evidence with him to the sheriff's

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office to avoid police having to search his parents' home.

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The friend also asked Robinson if he had any clothes

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that were related to what he did. Robinson replied that

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he had disposed of the clothes in different areas. The roommate.

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Police interviewed Robinson's roommate, a biological male who was involved

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in a romantic relationship with Robinson. The roommate told police

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that the roommate received messages from Robinson about the shooting,

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and he did provide those messages to police. On September tenth,

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twenty twenty five, the roommate received a text message from

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Robinson which said, drop what you're doing, look under my keyboard.

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The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note

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that stated quote, I had the opportunit unity to take

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out Charlie Kirk, and I'm going to take it. Police

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00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:10,880
found a photograph of this note. The following exchange text

477
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:16,760
exchange then took place. After reading the note, the roommate responded,

478
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:22,840
what you're joking, right, Robinson? I am still okay, my love,

479
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:26,599
but am stuck in Orum for a little while longer yet,

480
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,960
shouldn't be long until I can come home. But I

481
00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:33,800
got to grab my rifle still. To be honest, I

482
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,079
had hoped to keep this secret till I died of

483
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:41,679
old age. I am sorry to involve you, roommate. You

484
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,679
weren't the one who did it, right Robinson? I am,

485
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:52,679
I am. I'm sorry, roommate. I thought they caught the person, Robinson. No,

486
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,559
they grabbed some crazy old dude. Then interrogated someone in

487
00:35:56,679 --> 00:36:00,360
similar clothing. I had planned to grab my rifle from

488
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,159
my drop point shortly after, but most of that side

489
00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:08,400
of town got locked down. It's quiet, almost enough to

490
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:14,519
get out, but there's one vehicle lingering. Roommate, Why Robinson?

491
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:19,639
Why did I do it? Roommate, Yeah, Robinson, I had

492
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,360
enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out.

493
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,639
If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I

494
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:33,760
will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve

495
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,239
it again. Hopefully they have moved on. I haven't seen

496
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,800
anything about them finding it. Roommate, how long have you

497
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,920
been planning this, Robinson? A bit over a week. I

498
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,719
believe I can get close to it, but there is

499
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,360
a squad car parked right by it. I think they

500
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,280
already swept that spot, but I don't want to chance it.

501
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,559
Robinson Again, I'm wishing I had circled back and grabbed

502
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:03,360
it as soon as I got to my vehicle. I'm

503
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,000
worried what my old man would do if I didn't

504
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:11,599
bring back Grandpa's rifle. ID e k if it's had

505
00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:15,360
a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me. I

506
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,920
worry about Prince. I had to leave it in a

507
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,840
bush where I changed outfits. Didn't have the ability or

508
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,440
time to bring it with I might have to abandon

509
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,360
it and hope they don't find Prince. How the F

510
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:33,880
will I explain losing it to my old man? Only

511
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,440
thing I left was the wrapple. Was the rifle wrapped

512
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,920
in a towel. Remember how I was engraving bullets. The

513
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:46,920
FN messages are mostly a big meme. If I see

514
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:52,800
notice bulge UWU on Fox New, I might have a stroke.

515
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,639
All right, I'm going to have to leave it. That

516
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:01,039
really FN sucks. Judging from today, I say, Grandpa's gun

517
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,280
does just fine. I DK, I think that was a

518
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:16,519
tooth a two K dollar scope. Wink wink Robinson. Robinson again,

519
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:21,719
delete this exchange again, Robinson. My dad wants photos of

520
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,679
the rifle, he says, Grandpa wants to know who has what.

521
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:28,880
The Fed's released a photo of the rifle and it

522
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:34,800
is very unique. He's calling me rn not answering Robinson.

523
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:42,599
Since Trump got into office, my dad has been pretty diehard. Maga, Robinson.

524
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,440
I'm going to turn myself in willingly.

525
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 3: One of my.

526
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 8: Neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff again, you

527
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,679
are all I worry about love that came from robinson roommate.

528
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,519
I'm much more worried about you. Robinson, don't talk to

529
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:04,239
the media. Please, don't take any interviews or make any comments.

530
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,519
If any police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer,

531
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:14,639
and stay silent. The search for Robinson's residence, police executed

532
00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:19,320
a search warrant on Robinson's residence. During that search, police

533
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,679
discovered a shellcasing with etchings like the etchings found on

534
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,599
the shells in the rifle near Uvu. Police also found

535
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:37,039
several target boards with bullet holes in Robinson's home. Now,

536
00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:41,239
as I stated in the beginning, when I read those allegations,

537
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:47,599
these are allegations, and like the evidence set forth in

538
00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:52,559
this statement, those allegations, what you've heard from the media,

539
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:56,719
even from state and federal officials, has not been tested

540
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:03,400
in the crucible of a jury trial. I understand the

541
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:08,119
public's desire to know the facts. My own family members

542
00:40:08,679 --> 00:40:14,119
have pressed me for information. Why are we reluctant to

543
00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:18,800
share the details of the investigation itself and comment on

544
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,400
the case. Because I want to ensure a fair and

545
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:28,199
impartial trial. I became a prosecutor because of my love

546
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,559
for the ideals of this great country and the principles

547
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,480
embedded in our constitution. The free exchange of ideas and

548
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:42,199
opinions is critical to this great American experiment. But so

549
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:47,320
too are the protections afforded to the accused found in

550
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,519
the fifth and sixth Amendments. The right against self incrimination,

551
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,480
the right to a speedy and public trial, the right

552
00:40:56,559 --> 00:40:59,880
to the effective assistance of counsel, the right to confront

553
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:05,000
one's accusers, and the right to compel, the attendance of witnesses, And,

554
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:10,760
perhaps most importantly, under our constitution, the accused is presumed

555
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:16,280
innocent until we, the state, prove to an impartial jury

556
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:21,559
of defendant's peers his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. That

557
00:41:21,679 --> 00:41:28,000
jury cannot rely on our allegations, on what they hear

558
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:30,760
in the news, or on what they hear from a

559
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,360
public official. The jury is the sole trier of fact,

560
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,760
and they will ultimately determine those facts based on evidence

561
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:47,400
a trial judge has determined is admissible. Again, as prosecutors,

562
00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:51,199
we bear the burden to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt,

563
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:58,199
But make no mistake, we welcome this burden. I'm going

564
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:04,679
to explain just the procedural steps. We're not a grand jury.

565
00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:07,159
We don't have a grand jury system like the federal

566
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,159
courts do. It's it's a preliminary hearing system. So the

567
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,000
arrest and filing of the criminal information are merely the

568
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:20,119
first steps in the criminal justice process. Today, at three PM,

569
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,119
the defendant will appear before a judge in the Utah

570
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:27,880
Fourth District Court for his first appearance to be informed

571
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,599
of these charges and to ensure that he has an

572
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:34,599
attorney to represent him. The hearing will be brief. The

573
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:40,079
judge will conduct that first appearance virtually via WebEx This

574
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:45,119
is not unusual in the Fourth District. All felony first

575
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:49,280
appearances for defendants who are in custody are held virtually.

576
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,199
A link to that hearing is available for media on

577
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:59,320
the Utah State Court's ex account at Utah State Courts. Now,

578
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:04,400
following defendant's first appearance, he will be entitled to a

579
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,960
preliminary hearing. At that hearing, the state will be required

580
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,920
to show probable cause that defendant committed the crimes. The

581
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,519
purpose of the preliminary hearing is not to determine guilt,

582
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,079
but simply to assure the court that the prosecution has

583
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:26,599
enough evidence to proceed to trial. If a judge finds

584
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:29,679
probable cause and binds the case over for trial and

585
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,480
arraignment hearing will be held. At that hearing, a judge

586
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,039
will again inform defendant of the charges against him and

587
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:42,239
require him to enter a plea to each charge. The

588
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,360
next sit step. The next step following the arraignment is

589
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,440
an opportunity for the parties to file any relevant motions

590
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:54,719
and then ultimately the trial itself. This case has generated

591
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,360
a tremendous amount of interest across our nation and even

592
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:03,800
the world. The public desire for information is desire is understandable,

593
00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:07,719
but it bears reiterating that this case will be tried

594
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:12,360
in a court of law consistent with our constitution, not

595
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,760
the court of public opinion. Thus, we will only discuss

596
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,920
with the press. Discuss the case with the press occasionally.

597
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,719
It will not be a day to day or even

598
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:29,760
week to week occurrence, but we will only do so

599
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,360
in a manner as not to jeopardize the fair trial process.

600
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: All right, That was the DA for Utah County. Her

601
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,320
name is Jeff Gray, and a lot of that information

602
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,199
about the back and forth with the roommate was not

603
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,119
ever disclosed that I know of before. Here's some of

604
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:55,440
the reaction from law enforcement and lawyers. Let's start with

605
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,639
Paul Morrile, former NYPD lieutenant.

606
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,119
Speaker 2: Right, So that's actually heard a lot of that. That

607
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,280
was in that press conference when I was out in Utah.

608
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,840
That's the equivalent of a speaking indictment, where the prosecutor

609
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,599
puts a lot of information into the indictment. In this case,

610
00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:15,079
it's an information. He didn't want to go outside the

611
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:17,920
four corners of that information, but he laid out a

612
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,440
lot of his case. He got a lot of it

613
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,280
out there, created that narrative, created the picture of what's

614
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,199
going on. The reason I reacted to the witness tampering

615
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,320
and the destruction of evidence thing is because he's being

616
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,360
charged with that. But that was the main perpetrator, the

617
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,440
alleged perpetrator directing his roommate to do it. Now a

618
00:45:36,519 --> 00:45:40,199
question becomes, did the roommate do it. The roommate apparently

619
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,480
did not provide the original note. If you caught it,

620
00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:45,159
is that the cops of a photograph of the original note. Right,

621
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:49,760
So maybe that person the trend the t roommate destroyed

622
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,760
the original note. My point is this, they might have

623
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,079
some leverage over the roommate, but they don't want to

624
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:58,039
charge the roommate because the roommate right now is a

625
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:02,519
really valuable investigatory vector. Leslie and Ley just closed with this.

626
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:04,760
I know we have other guests. I've been saying since

627
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,400
the beginning that this thing screams to be a state case.

628
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,079
I think that this prosecutor laid out why you've got

629
00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:15,519
the aggravated murder because it ticks the box of putting

630
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:18,559
others in danger aside from the shooter and the perpetrator.

631
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,079
It really seems to be quite within the contours of

632
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:27,000
a state palmicide a capital murder case for the Feds.

633
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:28,960
In my opinion, the best movie on ear is the

634
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,400
subject of a lot of debate. The best move is

635
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,440
for them to participate in the investigation, do everything that

636
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,280
they can. Don't file, because that way you don't have

637
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,159
a speedy trial thing. If the Feds ever want to

638
00:46:39,199 --> 00:46:42,159
bring their case, wait, let the stay case go. You'll

639
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,280
learn a lot from the state case. As long as

640
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,519
you were within the statute of limitations, you can always

641
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:49,159
bring your federal case later. Gives you another bite at

642
00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:51,119
the apotol. I think that's how this is going.

643
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,519
Speaker 1: All right, So let's go to the lawyers and see

644
00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:58,119
what they have to say. Donna Rotundo is a defense lawyer.

645
00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:01,119
I mean she usually sticks up for anybody that's charged

646
00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:03,559
with the crime. That's her job. This is what she said.

647
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 3: Sure well.

648
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 9: First of all, I think the prosecutor did a great

649
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,880
job out there. I think he highlighted everything he needed to.

650
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,679
I think it was a fabulous summary. He gave us

651
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,039
a lot of information. I think the text messages are

652
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,199
very clear in terms of a confession. And I agree

653
00:47:20,199 --> 00:47:25,679
with Paul that keeping this roommate slash lover really as

654
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,559
a ally to law enforcement will be most helpful because

655
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:31,960
they really will have more leverage in terms of the

656
00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:35,519
charges themselves. I am happy. I'm glad to see that

657
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:39,840
they are moving forward on charges involving exactly what happened

658
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,239
out there, the number of people who were in danger,

659
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:45,119
the fact that Charlie was targeted for his views and

660
00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:48,199
his beliefs. I think these charges are a very very

661
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,960
fair assessment about what actually took place out there, and

662
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:54,440
I think they're going to be very successful. There's good

663
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,320
evidence here so far, and I know that there's more

664
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:56,719
to come.

665
00:47:57,199 --> 00:48:01,039
Speaker 1: Andy McCarthy takes his crack get the evidence that was

666
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:01,880
laid out today.

667
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, one of the things I'd be concerned about

668
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,280
with respect to that. As I was listening to the narrative,

669
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,639
and I agree with what's been said about how thorough

670
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:13,920
and comprehensive it was. It seems like the parents have

671
00:48:14,159 --> 00:48:19,280
very important witnesses. In my experience, juries don't like it

672
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,280
when parents have to testify against defendants, so when prosecutors

673
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,800
asked them to do that, and I can only think

674
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,400
of that being exacerbated in a case where the testimony

675
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,079
could lead to the death penalty. So I was happy

676
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:36,760
to see that there was so much evidence arising out

677
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,519
of the text message with the roommate, because maybe that

678
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:44,320
will obviate the need to have the parent's testimony. And

679
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,679
beyond that, I quite agree with Paul that this is

680
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,360
a state case. That's the most straightforward way to do it.

681
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: Nicole Parker is a former FBI agent.

682
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 5: She says this, I mean, as DNA is all over

683
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,400
the trigger and the case things is well used and unused.

684
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:04,320
But what I think is really interesting. I've always wondered

685
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:05,880
how long did he plan for this, and based on

686
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,480
what I heard in that press conference. He had been

687
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:09,320
planning this for about a week, according to what he

688
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,239
said and also his whole mind process. He was right

689
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,199
there in the vicinity of the crime that he had

690
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,559
just committed, waiting for the cops to leave. He's like, gosh,

691
00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:18,360
I really want to go back and get that rifle,

692
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:19,960
but I'm not sure that I can. There's an officer

693
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:22,239
right there. I wonder at what point he said, you

694
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,199
know what, forget it. I've I've got to leave. I

695
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,199
got to go back to Saint George, and I'm just

696
00:49:26,199 --> 00:49:28,079
going to have to leave the evidence behind. And I

697
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:30,320
think it's very alarming. Again, I like to look at

698
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,320
this rifle and that the weapon selection this was given

699
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,480
to him by his father. From what I understand, it

700
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:38,719
was his grandfather's and he wanted to his father's like, look,

701
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,159
send me a picture of it. I want a picture

702
00:49:40,199 --> 00:49:41,920
of this weapon. And he said, oh, they won't be

703
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,480
able to trace the weapon back to me. If they

704
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,480
do a trace, it'll go back to my grandfather. There's

705
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:48,159
something of that sort. But I think this is very

706
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,039
very compelling evidence. That evidence is mounting. And let me

707
00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:53,760
tell you, the investigation is just beginning. This is just

708
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,679
what they have for the probable cause aff of David

709
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,039
for the information. This is not even the whole case.

710
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:59,840
I am so glad to hear that they are officially

711
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,280
go going for the death penalty.

712
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: I mean, this young man was a four point zero student,

713
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:12,320
did super well in school, so BookSmart, but man seems

714
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like he really did not understand all the evidence he

715
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was leaving behind him. Here's another defense journey by the

716
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name of Joshua River.

717
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Speaker 10: I thought one of the things that stood out to

718
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me most of all was how suspicious his own parents

719
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were of him. They confronted him at first, saying, hey,

720
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where were you and he said, I'm sick, and that's

721
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not enough to stop the parents. They still feel like

722
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they feel that he could have been involved. And I

723
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think it was one the pictures that we've seen, but two,

724
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these political leanings that they thought he had started to

725
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develop inside of him. I'll tell you another thing that

726
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I thought was remarkable is what the prosecutor did not mention,

727
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and that was any kind of allegations of conspiracy. We

728
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:55,239
talked a lot about conversations that he had with his

729
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,519
roommates since the time of the shooting, but there was

730
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very little information shared about the plan and who was

731
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involved or who knew about the planning leading up to

732
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the murder. And there's no conspiracy charges here, so it's

733
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interesting if they believe that he acted alone and informed

734
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no one else of his plans.

735
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Speaker 1: That's a great point. What was the plan leading up

736
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to the shooting? They only talked about everything that happened

737
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:23,559
after the shooting. There's all. There's also, we didn't talk

738
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about it yesterday. But Sunday night they had the Emmys,

739
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and yeah, somehow I did not watch it, but I

740
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,000
read where the celebrities that were going to the Emmy

741
00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:38,880
Awards were all concerned about their personal safety. They're worried

742
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about some a shooter. And I guess I don't want

743
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to deny that of them. Their they're celebrities, they're well known,

744
00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:55,079
Uh the other crowd, but I'm sorry, it's it's no.

745
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,960
You were absolutely safe, but the LAPD apparently had to

746
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:05,360
marshall a larger number than usual to make everything feel

747
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,840
safe at the Emmys. The other group that is running

748
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:14,559
around saying they are afraid are lawmakers in Congress. I

749
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:18,639
guess maybe in your state capitals, but in Congress, they're

750
00:52:18,679 --> 00:52:23,480
all worried and they want more money to have more security.

751
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:27,840
I heard Mike Johnson speaker talking about it yesterday, saying

752
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,960
they're going to ALEC try to get more money to

753
00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:33,840
allocate toward not only security at the Capitol in Washington,

754
00:52:34,119 --> 00:52:40,159
but also at the homes of the various legislators. And yes,

755
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,920
I know about the lady in Minnesota who she and

756
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,800
her husband were shot and killed. It's so, so so rare.

757
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,079
But I mean, so now everybody's running around thinking that

758
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,559
they're in danger. And Charlie Kirk put himself out there,

759
00:52:56,599 --> 00:53:01,239
and yes, there were people that vehemently disagreed with, but

760
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,360
nobody thought that somebody would actually pull the trigger. Unless

761
00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:10,800
we're getting into this realm of violence, especially political violence,

762
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is okay. I don't know how we got there either.

763
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,199
So I have another question before we leave for the day.

764
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The reporting is is that thirty seven thousand applications have

765
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been submitted for Turning Point USA chapters on college and

766
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high school campuses around the country. Thirty seven thousand. I

767
00:53:40,639 --> 00:53:44,440
would love to have your response. Call me send me

768
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,280
an email. My email address is right on my website

769
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Tomsullivan dot com. The phone number to call is eight hundred.

770
00:53:53,079 --> 00:53:58,280
I'm sorry eight five five two nine five sixty six

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00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,639
hundred eighty five five two nine five sixty six hundred.

772
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:09,519
The question of the day is will Turning Point USA survive?

773
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:20,199
Charlie Kirk very influential, very gifted. Not many people are

774
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,000
like him. He was one of a kind. And I

775
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:28,679
relate this to I'll talk about my old friend Rush.

776
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,800
He was one of a kind. Now, there's a lot

777
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,440
of us that have done talk radio, but nobody was

778
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:40,400
in the same class as Rush Limbaugh. And after he

779
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:43,360
passed away, I know they've got the guys doing his

780
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,039
former show and all that. The ratings are nowhere near

781
00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:51,719
what Rush was able to do. So does life go on? Yes,

782
00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:55,360
but Rush was one of a kind. I think Charlie

783
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,519
Kirk was one of a kind. I'm not so sure.

784
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:01,960
I know Erica Kirk, this widow is saying she's not

785
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:07,880
going to let it die. I'm curious what you think

786
00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:13,559
because I have my suspicions it was not an organization

787
00:55:14,119 --> 00:55:18,719
that was running Turning Point USA. Yeah, he had an organization,

788
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,639
but it was it was him. It was him and

789
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:26,239
only him. One of a kind. And now that he's gone,

790
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,320
can't you can't just go get somebody to replace him

791
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:37,719
not possible. So with that we check out with finding

792
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,599
out what happened on Wall Street today. The Fed, like

793
00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:42,840
I said, is meeting today. Tomorrow they will tell us

794
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,360
what they're doing with interest rates. My bet is they

795
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,920
will lower rates by just a quarter of a percent.

796
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,320
Some people are thinking they're going to lower it by

797
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,400
half a percent. I don't, only because of the fact

798
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,519
that they've been super cautious all the way along. So

799
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the market today down on the Dow on one hundred

800
00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:04,599
and twenty five to close at forty five thousand, seven

801
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:09,679
fifty seven, the SMP down eight, the Nasdaq down fourteen.

802
00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:13,440
The price of gold went up twelve dollars to thirty

803
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,360
seven point thirty. Oil went up a buck and a

804
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,599
quarter up to sixty almost sixty five dollars now for

805
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,840
one barrel of oil. Thank you for coming by today.

806
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We'll have much more again tomorrow. Hope to see you then,