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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty the Gary and Shannon Show on demand

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<v Speaker 1>on the iHeartRadio app. Breaking news out of Hollywood today,

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle Trachtenberg, just thirty nine years old, was found dead.

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<v Speaker 1>They're saying now that her body may have rejected the

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<v Speaker 1>liver transplant she received within the last year, causing complications.

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<v Speaker 1>Her mother found her, of course, Michelle Trachtenberg. She was

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<v Speaker 1>in Gossip Girl, Buffy the Vamfire Slayer euro Trip Gossip.

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<v Speaker 1>I already mentioned that police sources have confirmed that its

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<v Speaker 1>natural causes. The exact cause remains unclear. Police and paramedics

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<v Speaker 1>responded to a call for a woman in cardiac arrest

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<v Speaker 1>found her unresponsive dead on the scene. She was pronounced

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<v Speaker 1>she had been known to struggle with alcohol and again

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<v Speaker 1>had that liver transplant recently within the last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Internationally, we know that Hama said it's going to prepare

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<v Speaker 2>to release it the last four Israeli hostage bodies included

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<v Speaker 2>in the initial phase of this ceasefire deal. In Israeli

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<v Speaker 2>official confirmed that they were going to receive the bodies

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<v Speaker 2>would be eleven o'clock local time. I believe so that

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<v Speaker 2>would be I think it's one o'clock our time. Israel

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<v Speaker 2>had previously refused to release the more than six hundred

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinian prisoners and deteenies last weekend because they accused Tamas

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<v Speaker 2>of breaching the ceasefire deal by those ridiculous public parading

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<v Speaker 2>of the hostages in Gaza before they would turn home

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<v Speaker 2>over to the Red Cross, and Egyptian officials who have

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<v Speaker 2>been working on this ceasefire have apparently gotten promises from

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas that they won't be doing that again.

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<v Speaker 3>In DC, it's time for swamp watching a politician, which

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<v Speaker 3>means I'm a cheat and a liar.

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<v Speaker 4>And when I'm not kissing babies, I'm still in that lollipops.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we got. The real problem is that our leaders

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<v Speaker 3>are done.

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<v Speaker 1>The other side never quits.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not going anywhere. So that is how you train the.

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<v Speaker 3>I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by

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<v Speaker 3>what has been. You know, Americans have always been guman act.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not stupid.

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<v Speaker 5>A political plunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>Have the people voted for you were not swap watch,

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<v Speaker 3>They're all countero.

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump has previewed as plans for a new visa

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<v Speaker 1>gold card, describing it as somewhat like a Green card,

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<v Speaker 1>but at a higher level of sophistication.

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<v Speaker 2>He was signing his latest round of executive orders yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>one of them related to terras on copper imports. Lutnick

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<v Speaker 2>Howard Lutnick is the Commerce Secretary, and explained that this

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<v Speaker 2>Trump gold Card, as he called it, would replace the

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<v Speaker 2>EB five visa, which would also or does also provide

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<v Speaker 2>a pathway to citizenship for a wealthy foreign investor, but

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<v Speaker 2>has been an avenue for fraud a lot of places.

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<v Speaker 2>Lutnick implied that the administration would be more discerning as

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<v Speaker 2>to who would qualify for the gold card, and the

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<v Speaker 2>plan is not just we don't want to just get

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of rich people in here.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously their money would be.

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<v Speaker 2>Great, but it's the idea that they would be smart

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<v Speaker 2>enough business owners that they would then turn around and

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<v Speaker 2>create jobs in the United States. Is it as simple

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<v Speaker 2>as saying it's a five hundred dollars price tag on this,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know if that passes legal

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<v Speaker 2>muster or if there would be rules against that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of thing when it comes to immigration.

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<v Speaker 1>But did you say five hundred or did I have

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<v Speaker 1>an aneurysm. No.

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<v Speaker 3>I may have said five hundred, but five million is the.

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<v Speaker 1>Feeds a million dollars. It's for very high level people

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<v Speaker 1>for their route to citizenship. We're going to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>they're wonderful, world class global citizens what Nick said. Trump added,

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<v Speaker 1>it will be people with money and people that create jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>Asked whether a Russian oligarch might be eligible for a

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<v Speaker 1>gold card, Trump seemed amused, Yeah, he replied possibly. He said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I know some Russian oligarchs that are nice people, if possible,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he said they're not as wealthy as they

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<v Speaker 1>used to be, but I think they can afford five

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Secretary Lutnik did say that they would have to go

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<v Speaker 2>through a vetting, of course, to make sure that they

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<v Speaker 2>are wonderful, world class global citizens, and Lutnik is using

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<v Speaker 2>the exact same language that his boss is. It sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like more than twenty civil service employees resigned from the

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<v Speaker 2>Department of Government Efficiency, saying that they're refusing to use

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<v Speaker 2>their technical expertise to dismantle critical public services is what

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<v Speaker 2>they see.

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<v Speaker 1>These are the tech workers who are not the doze

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<v Speaker 1>rising young stars of Elon Musk's choosing. These are tech

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<v Speaker 1>workers that have already been in the federal government and

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<v Speaker 1>are raising their hands and saying, we are not using

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<v Speaker 1>our skills in the tech world to dismantle what this

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<v Speaker 2>Essentially, Yeah, they resigned from the US Digital Service, which

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<v Speaker 2>is an that was established during Obama's administration after the

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly cocked up rollout of the healthcare dot gov web

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<v Speaker 2>portal that they completely blew. And again, that's proof that

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<v Speaker 2>the government is not good at some things, and this

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<v Speaker 2>was one of those things that the government was not

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<v Speaker 2>good at. There's an interesting aspect This story specifically kind

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<v Speaker 2>of crystallizes something that I've been thinking about but couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>quite put into words.

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<v Speaker 3>Seth Moulten, Yes, that's Seth Moulton ran for president. Seth

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<v Speaker 3>Moulten talk.

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<v Speaker 1>To everyone remembers that it.

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<v Speaker 2>Talks about the importance of having an actual plea. You

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<v Speaker 2>can't just complain about Elon Musk and Doge. You got

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<v Speaker 2>to have a plan.

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<v Speaker 6>Actually, the last time there was a big push for

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<v Speaker 6>government efficiency, it was under Clinton and Gore, and it

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<v Speaker 6>was a widely praised effort. Saved hundreds of billions of dollars,

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<v Speaker 6>but didn't create the chaos that Musk is creating today.

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<v Speaker 6>My case is Democrats need another plan like that. Do

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<v Speaker 6>what Clinton and Gore did, show that we want to

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<v Speaker 6>reform government too. We're just going to be more responsible

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<v Speaker 6>about going about it, and we can rather than just

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<v Speaker 6>complain about Musk.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, there's a thing about that he's going that's going

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<v Speaker 2>on that I thought he brought to light. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>crystallize it until he said that. This is similar to

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans saying we've got to do away with Obamacare. It's

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<v Speaker 2>an absolute mess, it's not doing anybody any favors, but

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<v Speaker 2>then not having a plan to replace it with. And

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats right now are saying Elon Musk is tearing apart government.

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<v Speaker 2>He shouldn't be going after the waste, fraud, and abuse,

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<v Speaker 2>he shouldn't be cutting these programs or these workers, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>But then they don't have a program to do just

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<v Speaker 2>those things. They don't have it. That's set up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like most people, they don't like the way

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<v Speaker 1>things are, but then they don't want change, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's there was a memo that was distributed today by

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<v Speaker 1>Trump his administration that federal agencies must develop plans to

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<v Speaker 1>eliminate employee positions. So now they're putting the onus on

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<v Speaker 1>the federal agencies. Come up with your own hatchet plan.

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<v Speaker 1>They say, it's going to be a sweeping realignment of

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<v Speaker 1>American government. The memo expands Trump's effort to downsize the

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<v Speaker 1>federal workforce. He's described it as an impediment to his agenda.

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<v Speaker 1>Thousands of sorry probationary employees have already been fired, and

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<v Speaker 1>now they're looking at people who have civil service protection

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<v Speaker 1>and get ready for the lawsuits. We're cutting down the

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<v Speaker 1>size of government, he says. We have to. We're bloated,

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<v Speaker 1>we're sloppy, we have people that are not doing their jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>So in this memo this morning, it says agencies are

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<v Speaker 1>directed to submit by March thirteenth their plans for what

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<v Speaker 1>is known as reduction in force, which would not only

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<v Speaker 1>lay off employees, but eliminate the positions all together, which

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<v Speaker 1>would be extensive changes in how government functions. Going to

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of a lot of people, and then you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to come up with new protocols in

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<v Speaker 1>all those departments.

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<v Speaker 2>The White House says that that large bruise that is

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<v Speaker 2>on the back of President Trump's right hand is from

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<v Speaker 2>him shaking so many hands.

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<v Speaker 1>He shakes a lot of hands. He shakes hands all day,

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<v Speaker 1>every day, is what they say.

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<v Speaker 2>He has had visible bruising or redness on his right

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<v Speaker 2>hand on at least two other occasions, in August and

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<v Speaker 2>November of last year, which obviously would have been right

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<v Speaker 2>in this middle of campaigning stuff. Bruises on his hand

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<v Speaker 2>were also noted by various news outlets last year, and

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<v Speaker 2>Time magazine quoted Trump in twenty in December of twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>saying it's from shaking hands with thousands of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Daily mail, which is the bastion of journalism as we

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<v Speaker 1>know it, ran to a doctor named doctor Stuart Fisher.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuart Fisher says that while an aggressive handshake could be

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<v Speaker 1>partly to blame, that his age may also provide a clue.

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<v Speaker 1>We all know this. We've all had relatives that have

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<v Speaker 1>bruises or age spots that look like bruises on their hands.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a couple of them, he says. The doctor

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<v Speaker 1>that old age naturally weakens blood vessels, makes them more brittle,

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<v Speaker 1>which makes bruising on any part of the body much

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<v Speaker 1>more likely and severe. That osteo arthritis of course breaks

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<v Speaker 1>down cartilage and bone and the joints. That could be

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<v Speaker 1>another possibility. It can cause easy bruising or discoloration that

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<v Speaker 1>affects joints in the hand. The doctor says he thinks

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably all of those things together.

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<v Speaker 2>If you look on social media, which is also a

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<v Speaker 2>great idea, the suggestion is that this was an IV.

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<v Speaker 3>That bruise.

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<v Speaker 2>It put an IV on the top of the hand

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<v Speaker 2>there and that left a bruise when they removed it.

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<v Speaker 1>But rich people get dehydration ivs like every day. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a thing. It keeps your energy up, you keep those

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<v Speaker 1>B twelve shots in. It's a thing. So that also

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<v Speaker 1>would not be out of the realm of possibility. And

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<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't be like he needed an IV because he's

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<v Speaker 1>near death or he's experiencing health problems. It's probably just

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<v Speaker 1>because you get a little you get a little boost,

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<v Speaker 1>you get a little hydration. Especially with all the diet

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<v Speaker 1>cokese he drinks, probably doesn't drink.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of water.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't be surprised if he got regular hydration ivs.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you worried about him?

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<v Speaker 1>No, Okay, I just said, I wouldn't be surprised if

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<v Speaker 1>he just gets regular hydration IVS.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, but that consistent dehydration could be an issue too.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, it's not like dehydration that can put you

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<v Speaker 1>in the hospital. It's just you know, you've seen those places.

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<v Speaker 1>They've popped up everywhere now, the hydration therapy. They're in

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<v Speaker 1>like strip malls and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>The only time I think I've even recognized them was Vegas.

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<v Speaker 3>They're all over the place.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, yeah, there is a proposal, and I want to

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<v Speaker 2>throw this in there only because it's weird. State assembly

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<v Speaker 2>Member Rick Chavez Burr introduced a bill last week to

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<v Speaker 2>substantially narrow the legal justification for homicide in California. Homicide

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<v Speaker 2>is just person on person death. Basically, the term for

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<v Speaker 2>murder actually is illegal homicide, which would mean that there

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<v Speaker 2>are legal homicides that are there. For example, if your

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<v Speaker 2>life is threatened, you can defend yourself. But they talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this bill. Homicide would no longer be justifiable when

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<v Speaker 2>it's committed in defensive property or habitation. So somebody could

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<v Speaker 2>break into your house, you can't shoot them unless they

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<v Speaker 2>are killing you, or unless they're about to kill you.

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<v Speaker 1>Kamala Harris said she was going to shoot you if

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<v Speaker 1>you broke into her home.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you trying to protect the people who just happen

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<v Speaker 3>Or you're trying to protect.

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<v Speaker 2>The law abiding homeowner who wants to protect his fam

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<v Speaker 2>And how do I know when you break into my

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<v Speaker 2>And do I have to wait until you try to

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<v Speaker 1>That's why you need to get a burn a gun.

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<v Speaker 1>You can shoot them, name them and not kill them,

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<v Speaker 2>are threatened. If someone threatens to you, sorry, it is

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if if you named a kid a certain name,

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<v Speaker 1>if he or she would be more apt to to

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<v Speaker 2>What if you named your kids Spider something like that,

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<v Speaker 2>or Tommy two thumbs.

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<v Speaker 1>Or something Tommy two thumbs.

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<v Speaker 3>Just thinking of mafia hit.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm gonna give my baby some time to

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<v Speaker 1>develop its nickname in the mafia world. You're gonna think, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Justin worship Is with us, host of the Dad podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>We like talking parenting things.

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<v Speaker 2>The idea of naming your kid is obviously probably step

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<v Speaker 4>I like that sequence. I'm afraid to ask what one

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<v Speaker 4>number one is?

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<v Speaker 3>You gotta make it?

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<v Speaker 4>There you go, thanks Gary, or buy it?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know how people get their kids these. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Three is gonna be okay, So what are we gonna

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<v Speaker 4>Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a lot you're setting up your kid for

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<v Speaker 1>financial failure if if you don't pick these top five names.

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<v Speaker 5>Yep, yeah, if you if you named your kid uh Anna, Maria, Laura, Helen.

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<v Speaker 4>Or Sarah, you did good for them.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna do a good female.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, they're gonna do. They're gonna be great financially. For

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<v Speaker 5>the guys, it's Andrew, Sam Alex, Christopher and Darren.

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<v Speaker 4>Good for you.

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<v Speaker 1>But my husband, I mean, I'm sorry, my brother. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a weird slip. My brother's name is Andrew, right at

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the list.

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<v Speaker 4>Zoom number one. Well, guess what, borrow some money from bro.

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<v Speaker 3>He's loaded.

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<v Speaker 4>And then if you're doing poorly. Karen's taken a lot

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<v Speaker 5>She topped the list of struggling financially, probably because she's

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<v Speaker 5>calling the cops on people that now deserve to be

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<v Speaker 5>got a lot of retain.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh, Claire, Lisa, Jennifer and Rachel. And then for guys

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<v Speaker 5>because if you shorten it from Christopher, not so good financially,

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<v Speaker 5>but if you got the full toafer going on, you were,

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<v Speaker 1>That's just the most ridiculous circle. I've ever read that

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<v Speaker 1>in my life. It's insane and ps. Claire is a strong,

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<v Speaker 1>firm name. I don't think. I don't think of Claire

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<v Speaker 1>as a financial failure. I don't see Claire as somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who's in a gutter in financial ruin. But that's how

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<v Speaker 1>Claire doesn't live on skid row.

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<v Speaker 4>That's how strong Claire is.

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<v Speaker 5>She can make you believe she's thriving when in actuality,

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<v Speaker 4>She needs a hug.

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<v Speaker 1>No, she's not. Claire has a matching sweater set and

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but she's financed. They're all on credit card debt. Shannon, Oh,

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<v Speaker 5>maybe that's what I'm saying. I'm telling you Claire is

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<v Speaker 5>not okay. If you have a friend named Claire, you

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<v Speaker 5>need to call her and make sure she's okay and

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<v Speaker 5>buy her lunch.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not going to split yes about Claire.

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<v Speaker 2>But they don't even there's no there's no connection, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean right, I mean they can't establish what the connection

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<v Speaker 2>would be between these names and films.

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<v Speaker 5>They just basically went through and looked at social security

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<v Speaker 5>data and figured out who was thriving. Financially and what

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<v Speaker 5>the most common names were about for those people that

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<v Speaker 5>were thriving financially, and then technically you should all be fired.

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<v Speaker 1>Those people should be elon musk. If your job is

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<v Speaker 1>to go through Social Security data and find out what

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<v Speaker 1>the first name is successful.

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<v Speaker 5>This is a This is a college funded study, So

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think this is actually from the federal government.

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<v Speaker 4>What was it. I think it was Brigham Yell.

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<v Speaker 4>It's funny they did kind of what I The reason.

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<v Speaker 5>Why I brought this to you guys is for just

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<v Speaker 5>the funny of just laughing that your name has anything

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<v Speaker 5>to do with your financial success. But I also think

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<v Speaker 5>it's a reflection of what I feel that these anks

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<v Speaker 5>written parents go through. That we've now added icing onto

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<v Speaker 5>multiple flower icing flower that's being added on top of

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<v Speaker 5>the cake of like things you should worry about. You

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<v Speaker 5>failed your kid because you didn't name them Anna, right,

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<v Speaker 5>You would have just named them Anna.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, there's pressure in the process of naming the kid already.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's your point.

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<v Speaker 2>And in terms of what we were saying, what my

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<v Speaker 2>exercise of what would you even begin? Would you want

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<v Speaker 2>a family name? Would you want to name it after

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<v Speaker 2>your grandfather? Like? What, how do you even begin? There's

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of pressure. You got it, and you should cut

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<v Speaker 2>down on the rules. The rules are basically for me,

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<v Speaker 2>the rules were, I'm not going to name my son

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<v Speaker 2>anything close to one of your ex boyfriends.

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<v Speaker 3>That was really the only thing I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>That is so ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>That is not ridiculous because she's had so many boyfriends

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<v Speaker 2>that the list was pretty small.

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<v Speaker 4>See, this is why I brought this. I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 4>This was an undintended consequence. Look at how much fun

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<v Speaker 1>That's such an early twenties thing, like I'm not what

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<v Speaker 1>are your ex boyfriends name?

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<v Speaker 5>The fun game I named with I played with my

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<v Speaker 5>all the girl names, Kiara, Noel, these were all names

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<v Speaker 5>that she was thrown around, and Kiara was my favorite.

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<v Speaker 5>And so when we bought our house, we adopted this

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<v Speaker 4>Like, oh, let's keep the kitten. I was like, you

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<v Speaker 4>know what your neighbor is Kiara. That's one of the

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<v Speaker 5>And my wife is so caught up in the emotional

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<v Speaker 5>She's like, that's a great idea, and I'm like, great.

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<v Speaker 4>We never have a daughter named Kiara now.

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<v Speaker 2>And then an electric fence was built around the name Kiara.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so manipulative.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, I know, I'm very I'm very very rarely

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<v Speaker 1>That like, especially my wife peace of who you are?

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<v Speaker 5>I know, but it felt so strong. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 5>wait a minute, hold on. I have never felt more

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<v Speaker 5>alive than that day.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's an immature thing to say, is

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<v Speaker 2>you can't name my son after ex boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying it's immature. I'm saying that, like in

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<v Speaker 5>I was more Yeah, she's saying it was a sign

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<v Speaker 5>of the time of your age. You're right, because because

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<v Speaker 5>if I look, yes, because right now, if I look

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<v Speaker 5>three years previous, I'm the only person that my wife

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not even.

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<v Speaker 1>Thinking about it in your forties or whatever, right, and

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<v Speaker 4>That's all.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorky, all right, good, like.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what's funny about me? As soon as you

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<v Speaker 5>I dotched that bullet.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing is her most I think the boyfriend

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<v Speaker 2>that she had before me was also named Andy, and

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<v Speaker 2>if that had happened, and like, we named our kid

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<v Speaker 2>and I know five million andies now and they all

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<v Speaker 3>Remind me of my my wife's sex boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 5>I was afraid one of them was going to be

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<v Speaker 4>Or Alan or something.

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<v Speaker 1>The best part of that is like, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>Like one of your best friend's name is Andy now, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think also there's this weird thing that that

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<v Speaker 3>And it hurts every time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I do that sometimes. I haven't done it in

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<v Speaker 2>what was it like at work this week? And I

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<v Speaker 5>Nobody on this planet is better, by the way than

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<v Speaker 5>your Shannon. And like the comedic response take to that

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<v Speaker 5>of just like I just imagined going stiff and just

431
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<v Speaker 5>lowering her head at a.

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<v Speaker 4>Forty five and.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my wife said, My wife corrected her right away,

434
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<v Speaker 2>She's like, his name is Gary, And to her credit,

435
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<v Speaker 2>my mother in law now mother in law, was mortified.

436
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<v Speaker 2>But and she said it like at dinner time, I'm

437
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<v Speaker 2>really sorry for calling you that I didn't. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>and my wife then again, she pops up, she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Do it all the time. No, we don't, and yes

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<v Speaker 3>you do.

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<v Speaker 1>How long were they together?

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<v Speaker 3>Gosh, that's a great question. I don't know. Months.

444
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<v Speaker 1>It's it's so weird. And I said, how long were

445
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<v Speaker 1>Shannon and Andy together? Because my whole life it's been

446
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<v Speaker 1>Shannon and Andy, Shannon and Andy.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we'll try living my life where I go

448
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<v Speaker 2>home and they're like, who who? When I went to

449
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<v Speaker 2>get notarized yesterday's signature and they're like, who's who's signing today?

450
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<v Speaker 3>And I said, Gary and Shannon.

451
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<v Speaker 4>Don't forget to download the podcast.

452
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<v Speaker 1>They together.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was a year plus. I don't know.

454
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<v Speaker 2>I honestly don't know. He just got a list. He

455
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<v Speaker 2>didn't get time, pranks.

456
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<v Speaker 1>He just needed seems like it's enough time for the

457
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<v Speaker 1>mother or the father to continually call the new one

458
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<v Speaker 1>the old one.

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<v Speaker 4>And nice, and that's what.

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<v Speaker 1>Similar.

461
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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we have time to go into this

462
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<v Speaker 2>blonde hair. He's also addicted to porn. But that's sorry.

463
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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't just let that. Yeah, you had to take

464
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<v Speaker 2>a shot at him. You won, Garrett, It's okay. You wondorn.

465
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<v Speaker 2>The study that reveals that parents do have a favorite child,

466
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<v Speaker 2>and to break it down, by U and Western University

467
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<v Speaker 2>looked at all of these different things. Kids who are

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<v Speaker 2>favored tend to have better mental health, to do better

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<v Speaker 2>in school, to have better family relationships.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure if.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the cause or the effect of being a favorite

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<v Speaker 2>or but they also said that the older child and

473
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<v Speaker 2>often girls, yes, tend to be the favorite child.

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<v Speaker 4>Daughters predominantly are favorite.

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<v Speaker 5>And this is what I love is bringing this in

476
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<v Speaker 5>is that both of you guys have siblings that, like,

477
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<v Speaker 5>you have a sister, Shannon has a brother.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you think that your sister got favorite of treatment.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they at times did get the favorite treatment, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but for different reasons. I mean, one of them was

481
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<v Speaker 2>very school minded and driven and was the first to

482
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<v Speaker 2>graduate college because she was older. But but and then

483
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<v Speaker 2>the other one was very sporty, like she was super.

484
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<v Speaker 3>Involved and.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then I was like, hey, there's there's that

486
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<v Speaker 2>guy keeps showing.

487
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<v Speaker 3>Up at our house every day.

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<v Speaker 4>That was the opinion on you.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Shannon, do you think that you got I think,

490
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<v Speaker 5>like Gary, you're a rule follower, like before you got here.

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<v Speaker 1>Justin we were talking about it and Gary said that

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<v Speaker 1>his parents routinely told him that he was the favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>And and I think that you are really good with

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<v Speaker 1>following rules and not getting like you get into the

495
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<v Speaker 1>correct amount of trouble without being a like a problem

496
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<v Speaker 1>or a problem or a worry. Yeah, whereas your sisters

497
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<v Speaker 1>there was two of them. Girls are kind of tricky

498
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<v Speaker 1>boys a lot of the time. I think probably get

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<v Speaker 1>the bad rap because they're little boys, and they're all

500
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<v Speaker 1>over the place, and they're dirty, and they're not rule followers,

501
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<v Speaker 1>and they're you know, they're rambunctious, and that's just what

502
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<v Speaker 1>little boys are. And I think that that's probably it.

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<v Speaker 1>Girls are probably more self contained for the most part.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, because what I've heard is that like daughters feel

505
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<v Speaker 5>like they aren't that the brother always has more leeway,

506
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<v Speaker 5>particularly like going out to parties and dating, because for

507
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<v Speaker 5>whatever reason, parents worry less about their sons, but brothers

508
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<v Speaker 5>feel like the girls get away with more because they

509
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<v Speaker 5>get treated with a little bit more mittens and like

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<v Speaker 5>and tenderly than the boy would.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>That's like, and I think the other thing that this

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<v Speaker 5>article kind of talks about, which I kind of agree with,

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<v Speaker 5>is that this is really about a kid's perception. This

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<v Speaker 5>opened my eyes because I think if you were to

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<v Speaker 5>ask me until recently, I would probably if I had to,

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<v Speaker 5>like gun to my head, I had to pick a

518
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<v Speaker 5>favorite kid, it would be my older son until recently.

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<v Speaker 5>Now my younger son is probably more my favorite because

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<v Speaker 5>he's employed. I've decided that having a child.

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<v Speaker 3>In two weeks.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I've decided that having a child that has a

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<v Speaker 5>job is my new favorite thing about being a father.

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<v Speaker 4>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing we were talking about, too, is how

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<v Speaker 1>it changes, like your favorite kid changes.

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<v Speaker 4>My dad said.

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<v Speaker 5>The way he I asked him, and I know I've

529
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<v Speaker 5>said this multiple times here is that I said, do

530
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<v Speaker 5>you really have a favorite? And he was like, you

531
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<v Speaker 5>don't have a favorite, You just always have. It rotates

532
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<v Speaker 5>who you're worried about, Like there's always he said, there's

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<v Speaker 5>always one of you that your mom and I are

534
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<v Speaker 5>worried about. And then when that one starts to like rally,

535
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<v Speaker 5>he goes, you don't stop worrying because now you're like

536
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<v Speaker 5>looking at the other two of going Okay, which what's

537
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<v Speaker 5>going to happen to you two now because all three

538
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<v Speaker 5>of you are never thriving at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, it just doesn't work out that way. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>we've used the quote before. I heard it said by

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<v Speaker 2>Heraldo Rivera, but I don't know if he was the

542
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<v Speaker 2>one who originated it, which is your never as you're

543
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<v Speaker 2>only as happy as your unhappiest child, and that, I

544
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<v Speaker 2>mean that kind of plays into it. There you go

545
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<v Speaker 2>back and forth, they go through different light and depending

546
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<v Speaker 2>on how old they are too, if there's a wide

547
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<v Speaker 2>age separation, they're going to go through different life stages

548
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<v Speaker 2>at very different times and give you sort of the

549
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<v Speaker 2>roller coaster effect of got to pay attention to this

550
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<v Speaker 2>one as she's a preteen, but that guy's going to

551
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<v Speaker 2>be an you know, late adolescent.

552
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<v Speaker 3>What's happening with their and vice versa.

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<v Speaker 5>Because like like it says, the more agreeable child is

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<v Speaker 5>also usually the more favorite, which is I think what

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<v Speaker 5>Shannon's saying about you. I would also say that about

556
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<v Speaker 5>my older son. It's just always been easier for me

557
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<v Speaker 5>to talk to my older son. He's like me, he

558
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<v Speaker 5>likes to talk things out. My younger son is like

559
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<v Speaker 5>my wife. He holds it in if he's upset and

560
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<v Speaker 5>you have to pull it out of him. But I

561
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<v Speaker 5>would also argue that if you're talking about favoritism my

562
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<v Speaker 5>older son, I think thinks that we favor the younger

563
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<v Speaker 5>one because I have to try, I have to put

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<v Speaker 5>in an effort to get things out of my younger son,

565
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<v Speaker 5>whereas I don't have to do anything with my older

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<v Speaker 5>son to feel like I have, like that he knows

567
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<v Speaker 5>that there's a connection there. I guess I don't know,

568
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<v Speaker 5>but it's all perception. Nothing is real, because how do

569
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<v Speaker 5>you sit down and have a sincere conversation about who

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<v Speaker 5>do you think mom and dad love more?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? And when I talked about it last week, there

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<v Speaker 2>were people who were upset that I would even entertain

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<v Speaker 2>the thought of telling one of my children that they

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<v Speaker 2>were my favorite, Like, what good is that? You're just

575
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<v Speaker 2>going to sew division between the two of them, which

576
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<v Speaker 2>I've never I want to tell these people shut up.

577
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<v Speaker 3>Well, I would never.

578
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<v Speaker 2>Also, I don't think I would ever seriously say to them, Hey,

579
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<v Speaker 2>it's like, sit them both down and go. You know

580
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<v Speaker 2>it's been bugging me for a long time. You I

581
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<v Speaker 2>hate you, But she I like her? She for you're

582
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<v Speaker 2>a moron, but he's really got his stuff together right now, and.

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<v Speaker 5>Listen, I'll be the first to admit that I'm not

584
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<v Speaker 5>perfect or do we all this great? But I'll tell

585
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<v Speaker 5>you like, we have videos of my wife telling me

586
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<v Speaker 5>she was pregnant with each of our sons, and with

587
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<v Speaker 5>the second one, it was not a happy moment. It

588
00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:53.160
<v Speaker 5>was definitely like we were struggling financially. And after the video,

589
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<v Speaker 5>she goes, should I delete this, like basically erasing the evidence?

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<v Speaker 4>And I said no, I said, because yes, this is.

591
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<v Speaker 5>Kind of like a oh crap moment, But in reality,

592
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<v Speaker 5>I go, if this kid looks at this video at

593
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<v Speaker 5>twenty two years of age and doesn't laugh at it

594
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<v Speaker 5>because he has spent the last twenty two years of

595
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<v Speaker 5>his life being loved and growing in this family and

596
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<v Speaker 5>being supported, then yeah, we were hosted to begin with.

597
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<v Speaker 5>And that video didn't change any of it. Like that

598
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<v Speaker 5>doesn't make any difference, I said, so I think it.

599
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<v Speaker 4>Is what it is.

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<v Speaker 5>And both of my sons have listened to both all

601
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<v Speaker 5>of my comedy albums, which is just me jokingly like

602
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<v Speaker 5>making fun of being them and talking about how bad

603
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<v Speaker 5>being a dad is, and they laugh like, I don't

604
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<v Speaker 5>think it really matters. It matters when it's like when

605
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<v Speaker 5>I guess it's real, Like I think if you genuinely

606
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<v Speaker 5>told your kids, like.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, you're my favorite, I don't think it's really that sincere.

608
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<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean exactly.

609
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<v Speaker 1>That's really sweet that your kids have listened to your albums.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh it scared me. My dad played them when he

611
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<v Speaker 4>brought him home.

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<v Speaker 5>He played all three of them when they were like

613
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<v Speaker 5>four and seven, and I'm like, Dad, did you.

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<v Speaker 4>Give any context?

615
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<v Speaker 5>He's like, no, I just thought theyd get a kick

616
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<v Speaker 5>out of hearing their dad do what he does, and

617
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<v Speaker 5>they still to this day.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they like it.

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<v Speaker 5>They think it's funny, like which I agree, Shannon, it does.

620
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<v Speaker 5>It warms my heart.

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<v Speaker 3>But your point also is they probably don't take it seriously.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't. They know much. I love them.

623
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<v Speaker 5>I cry at everything they do, and I hug them

624
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<v Speaker 5>all the time. Again, like this idea that we worry

625
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:07.279
<v Speaker 5>that the kids don't feel like you love them, I

626
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<v Speaker 5>start crying right now.

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<v Speaker 4>I already am.

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<v Speaker 2>As the greatest affter half an hour. Thank you, justin.

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<v Speaker 3>You've been listening to the Gary and Shannon Show.

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<v Speaker 2>You can always hear us live on KFI AM six

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