WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:03.680 Welcome to the Trauma Therapist Podcast. My name is Gamiferson. 2 00:00:04.240 --> 00:00:07.839 I interview incredible people who've dedicated their lives to helping 3 00:00:07.879 --> 00:00:11.000 those who've been impacted by trauma. A big thank you 4 00:00:11.080 --> 00:00:16.120 to our sponsors and our guests who are supporting the show. Five, four, 5 00:00:16.280 --> 00:00:20.960 three and two and one. All right, Emily, where are 6 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:24.079 you from originally? And where you are you currently? 7 00:00:25.280 --> 00:00:31.519 So? I am from I was born in Canada and 8 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:39.320 I am living in Calgary, Alberta. How much do you 9 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:39.840 want to know? 10 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:43.679 Like, do you want just that? Just that's it? That's it? 11 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:46.719 All right, Michael? How about you? 12 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:47.399 So? 13 00:00:47.759 --> 00:00:50.960 I have grown up here in Central Illinois. I did 14 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:55.679 a little stint in Ohio in my early twenties and 15 00:00:55.719 --> 00:00:58.399 then came back to Central Illinois to start the practice. 16 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:02.719 Okay, all right, awesome, all right, So Michael, why are 17 00:01:02.719 --> 00:01:04.280 we here today? 18 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:04.719 Yeah? 19 00:01:04.760 --> 00:01:07.319 So, I wanted to share some exciting things. It's been 20 00:01:07.359 --> 00:01:09.519 a while since we've been able to connect, and a 21 00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:15.439 lot has happened, But the biggest thing is the If 22 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:20.359 you remember, in twenty eighteen, there was the symposium in 23 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:24.239 Canada with doctor Perry that was life changing for me 24 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:28.879 personally and professionally, and the that. 25 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:31.079 And it's just to interrupt you, we're talking about doctor 26 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:31.760 Bruce Perry. 27 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:37.719 Doctor Bruce Perry. Yes, And so that symposium launched a 28 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:39.640 lot of things from me. At that point, our clinical 29 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:42.640 practice was just there were just two of us. I 30 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:46.200 didn't I knew about trauma. I knew how trauma impacted 31 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:48.920 the brain, but I didn't know a whole lot about 32 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:53.200 what it looked like in clinical practice. And that symposium 33 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:57.239 connected with me with people from around the world, and 34 00:01:57.359 --> 00:01:59.760 it stirred to firing me that I wanted to come back. 35 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:02.439 And that's where the Rising Tide Conference came from, because 36 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:05.280 that was just so incredible for me. I wanted to 37 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:08.159 give that gift to other people. And over the years 38 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:10.319 we've been able to stay in touch and build some 39 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:12.879 of the closest friendships that I have with the neuro 40 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:16.400 Sequential Network and the people there. And now finally, after 41 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:20.840 eight years, the symposium is back, and I wanted to 42 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:24.319 make sure that people know about this symposium and to know, 43 00:02:24.919 --> 00:02:27.879 you know, I think in the trauma discussion, there is 44 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:30.680 a lot of stuff that's out there about how trauma 45 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:33.159 impacts the brain and kind of what we see with behavior. 46 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:34.919 But if I'm going to be honest, I think there's 47 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:38.159 this struggle between that content and what does it look 48 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:41.439 like in practice, And so this symposium brings all those 49 00:02:41.479 --> 00:02:47.360 things together and brings some incredibly brilliant minds together. And 50 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:49.680 so that's why doctor Wong is on here as well 51 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:53.240 as the symposium chair. That we just wanted to make 52 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:58.240 sure professionals know about this, and it's located in Banff, Canada. 53 00:02:58.400 --> 00:02:59.919 I mean, I can't get any better than that. 54 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:05.400 So Emily, how did you how did you meet Michael? 55 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:07.479 How did you come on board here? 56 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:10.879 Yeah, so that's a really good question. So we met 57 00:03:11.080 --> 00:03:14.000 at one of the symposiums and I have to say, 58 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:16.280 you know, when we think about the neurosquential model and 59 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:20.960 doctor Perry's work, it really is something that has shifted 60 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:25.919 the lens of everything that we do. So you know, 61 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:31.159 I would say in my earlier years as a psychologist, 62 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:37.039 there was clear expectations and directives of you know, looking 63 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:41.680 at psychology from the lens of behaviors. And when we 64 00:03:41.759 --> 00:03:44.240 started to work with doctor Perry, what we started to 65 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:48.199 understand was what was behind those behaviors. And I would 66 00:03:48.199 --> 00:03:50.719 say that in the whole field it became a bit 67 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:55.039 of a paradigm shift. It became really not just understanding, 68 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:58.159 you know, cognitively, how do we shift behaviors, but really 69 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:01.159 being understand being able to understand the physiology of what 70 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:04.479 was happening inside the bodies that created some of these 71 00:04:06.039 --> 00:04:09.039 maladaptive behaviors for kids and families that we were working with. 72 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:15.919 So that shift really created a new way of us 73 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:19.680 being able to look at how kids were behaving and 74 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:22.480 what we needed to do to support them. So instead 75 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:24.759 of supporting how their behaviors were going to change, we 76 00:04:24.759 --> 00:04:27.519 were supporting more how are we going to develop their 77 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:30.000 brain in a way that is so much more effective. 78 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:35.680 And as Michael was saying, you know, our whole, our 79 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:40.319 whole idea around this is understanding the lens of the 80 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:43.240 neurosequential model, but being able to really think about what 81 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:46.000 that looks like in practice. So when we bring together 82 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:50.160 people from this sympos for this symposium, they're really coming 83 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:53.319 together to say, this is what I've done with what 84 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:55.480 I've understood about the lens, and this is what I've done. 85 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:58.639 And it's amazing how creative people can be up with 86 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:03.240 ways of understanding what brain development means, understanding what this 87 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:08.040 means in practice, understanding how I want these children and 88 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:11.639 families that I'm working with to better understand well, to 89 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:21.000 be better able to capture the the best part of 90 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:23.079 their development and the best part of their brain. 91 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:31.319 Right, Michael, for our listeners, and as we kind of 92 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:35.279 get into this conversation here, how would you describe how 93 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:37.480 would you define the neuro sequential model. 94 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:42.439 Okay, so the New York model is taking a look 95 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:47.600 at how it's how the brain naturally develops and how 96 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:53.279 the brain develops in sequential order, and that in order 97 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:58.199 to you know, that sequential order gets impacted by trauma, 98 00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:02.399 and that it develops in the bottom up and develops 99 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:05.319 all these systems that are at work, and when trauma 100 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:10.720 comes into play, that trauma impacts those systems, and the 101 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:13.279 neuro squential model looks at how do we help those 102 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:17.160 systems heal by engaging them in the way that we're 103 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:20.720 naturally created, the way that we our brain naturally develops. 104 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:23.680 And so the neuals culture model is looking at those 105 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:27.759 pieces and the power of understanding how those systems work 106 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:30.959 and how do we properly engage them, and the power 107 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:34.600 the healing power of relationships and connection, and it's bringing 108 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:37.879 all of those pieces and parts together in a way 109 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:41.000 that I think one of the beautiful parts is understanding. 110 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:43.920 The brain is so complex, and doctor Perry's work has 111 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:48.759 made it understandable and digestible and gives us practical strategies 112 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:51.120 of how do we engage that brain and help the 113 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:55.000 healing process. No matter if you're working with little kids 114 00:06:55.040 --> 00:06:56.319 or if you're working with adults. 115 00:06:57.160 --> 00:06:57.839 He makes it. 116 00:06:58.279 --> 00:06:59.920 He breaks it down and makes it make sense. 117 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:00.519 For all of us. 118 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:06.600 So emily kind of expanding on that, if I'm hearing 119 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:10.920 this correctly, if we've got a young kid six seven, eight, 120 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:18.199 the experience of trauma at a certain point, when that trauma, 121 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:21.839 that trauma is happening at a certain developmental stage, right, 122 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:26.439 So the work, if I'm hearing correctly, is that and 123 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:29.600 understanding when that happens is very important because that may 124 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:32.720 or may not have impacted their developmental stage. Talk a 125 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:33.560 little bit about that. 126 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:38.000 Yeah, So we know that the brain develops much more 127 00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:41.120 quickly in the earlier years. So between zero to three, 128 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:44.800 zero to five years of age, the brain is developing 129 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:49.519 very quickly, and as a result of that, the impact 130 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:53.720 of what is happening in those early years is a 131 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:58.360 lot greater than what happens in the later years. But 132 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:00.319 you know, as soon as I say that, we have 133 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:05.199 to also be aware that the brain is always the 134 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:08.480 brain has a level of neuroplasticity, so we're always going 135 00:08:08.519 --> 00:08:10.720 to be changing, We're always going to be growing. It's 136 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:13.360 just the impact of what happens in those earlier years 137 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:15.759 is so much greater as a result of how quickly 138 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:18.519 the brain is developing at that stage. 139 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:24.079 And if we're looking through the lens of the neurosesequential model, again, 140 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:29.680 it's understanding specifically when that trauma happened, Yes, and politically 141 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:33.200 it impacted the kid, Yes, the kid's developmental stage. 142 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:36.360 Yeah, And so what people talk about often is that 143 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:40.320 developmental trauma. So there are many different aspects of trauma. 144 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:43.039 You can talk about trauma from the perspective of having 145 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:47.440 a specific experience that results in post traumatic stress disorder. 146 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:50.480 You can talk about a single incident trauma. You can 147 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:54.080 talk about intergenerational trauma. When we're talking about those early 148 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:57.519 years of development, we are talking about developmental trauma. What 149 00:08:57.639 --> 00:09:02.279 has happened in those early relationship interactions, What has happened 150 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:06.879 during the interuterine period. Uh, if there was a lot 151 00:09:06.919 --> 00:09:09.279 of chaos, if there was poverty, if there was substance 152 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:12.159 abuse to Mexic violence during those periods of time, and 153 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:16.000 the attachment period is impacted, then there's more likely to 154 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:19.879 be what we call developmental trauma, which then changed the 155 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:22.679 changes the trajectory of how the brain develops. 156 00:09:23.320 --> 00:09:29.600 Okay, so Michael, stepping back a little bit, what is 157 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:35.799 your goals more specifically with with the symposium? 158 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:39.440 So I, you know, I think that this is such 159 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:43.960 an incredible gift, you know, getting connected to doctor Long 160 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:48.279 and doctor Perry and then Neurosequential community has been such 161 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:51.080 an incredible gift that it's like a gift that I 162 00:09:51.480 --> 00:09:55.679 can't help but share because there are a lot of 163 00:09:55.799 --> 00:09:58.600 us in the mental health field that battle burnout, and 164 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:02.519 the community and the support that comes from the neuro 165 00:10:02.600 --> 00:10:05.440 Sequential network and the community of people there has been 166 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:08.120 has helped me through some of the hardest days in 167 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:11.679 my career, not just you know, like managing things from 168 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:13.879 cases and being able to say, hey, I'm stuck, can 169 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:17.120 you help me here? As well as just being a 170 00:10:17.159 --> 00:10:21.440 source of encouragement and support. That's the hope is that 171 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:24.519 people would come to this and not just learn content 172 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:26.759 related stuff you know, I think that's really important. But 173 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:30.480 the connection in the community, I just I can't say 174 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:33.320 enough about it because it's what it's what's helped me, 175 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:35.679 and I know that it can help so many other people, 176 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:38.559 and so I just I wanted to make sure that 177 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:40.799 we were on here so that we could share this 178 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:45.840 with other people. I kind of joke you get continuing 179 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:49.240 education and it's like a vacation being in Banff. I 180 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:52.200 think it's you can't get any better than that. And 181 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:55.000 then also as a part of the symposium, there's the 182 00:10:55.039 --> 00:10:58.519 pre conference with doctor Perry and taking a look at 183 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:03.320 the natural rhythms of the natural healing rhythms of the 184 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:06.240 world and being able to take a look at what 185 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:08.799 are we doing for our bodies and making sure that 186 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:12.360 we're taking care of ourselves as professionals as well. I 187 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:15.559 think is really important in making sure that we're letting 188 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:18.600 people know this isn't just about content, it's about connection, 189 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:22.240 it's about experiencing. Like I think the way that the 190 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:26.759 even the schedule is put together is helping us with 191 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:30.759 doctor Perry's concept the regulate relate reason. So you're not 192 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:32.879 only going to learn about this at the symposium, you're 193 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:36.159 going to experience it, and I think that that's just incredible. 194 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:41.000 But you've got a preconference and the symposium. You've got 195 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:44.840 an incredible venue and incredible connection with people that will 196 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:48.399 last long after the symposium. And so that's that's my goal. 197 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:50.399 That's my hope, is that more people hear about this. 198 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:54.639 So this what is the date of the symposium? Number one? 199 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:58.440 And is it you mentioned it's in bamp Is there 200 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:01.399 going to be an online virtual act component as well? 201 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:02.960 So there is? 202 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:06.799 It is October twenty sixth through the twenty ninth. The 203 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:11.240 pre conference in October twenty sixth, and the symposium twenty seventh, 204 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:15.480 twenty eighth, twenty ninth. And this is in person, so 205 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:18.720 that we're encouraging everybody. You know, while we love the 206 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:23.080 convenience of online, there's just something about that connection. 207 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:28.320 Of course, now you're talking about the neurosequential community. Is 208 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:33.159 this symposium solely for people in the community, And when 209 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:35.080 you say community, what do you what do you mean 210 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:36.399 by that? For our listeners? 211 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:41.559 Yeah, so this is open to everybody, and I'm speaking 212 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:46.679 to the simposed or to the neurosequential community because that's 213 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:49.840 where we're connected and that's the base of where these 214 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:55.320 things are driving from. The presentations are selected because they 215 00:12:55.519 --> 00:13:00.240 are utilizing the neurosequential model as the framework, and so 216 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:03.639 that's that's part of why that is there. But if 217 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:06.720 you are somebody that's new to the neuro sequential network 218 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:09.919 in doctor Perry's work, or you're somebody who's very seasoned 219 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:12.840 in this, this symposium is going to have different presentations, 220 00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:15.960 the different content that's going to equip and inspire and 221 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:20.279 encourage you. So it's open to everybody, but you I 222 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:21.879 have to warn you you're going to get connected to 223 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:24.200 an incredible community if you're not already part of the 224 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:25.440 neurosequential community. 225 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:33.960 Emily, one of the things I know that Michael wanted 226 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:37.919 to talk about was what this looks like in practice 227 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:42.080 talking about this this lens. Talk a little bit about that. 228 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:46.559 Yeah, so you know, this is the beauty of the model. 229 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:49.919 And before I get into practice, is it okay if 230 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:53.919 I mentioned a couple other things, just of course, okay? 231 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:56.879 So you know, when we are looking at the neurosequential model, 232 00:13:56.919 --> 00:14:00.200 there are so many different models of trauma informed care, 233 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:03.720 and with the neurosquential model, we believe that there are 234 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:07.639 so many elements of being able to create a deeper dive. So, 235 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:11.919 in other words, oftentimes if you are a child and 236 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:16.879 youth care counselor, you can understand the brain from a 237 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:20.360 certain level. If you are a neuroscientist, or if you 238 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:25.240 are really well versed in neuroscience and maybe not a 239 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:27.720 neuroscientist and you want to understand more about the core 240 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:31.759 regulatory networks serotonin, nor pinefrin and things like that, you 241 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:33.840 can just go into a bit of a deeper dive. 242 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:36.919 So it has so many levels of understanding in which 243 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:39.360 we can do our work, in which we can think 244 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:44.000 about ourselves as clinicians, neuroscientists, as researchers as well. We 245 00:14:44.039 --> 00:14:46.559 have a component of the symposium that is going to 246 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:50.200 be focused on bringing researchers together to think about how 247 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:54.320 they want to be looking at outcomes for kids, how 248 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:58.000 they want to be understanding evidence based treatments for children 249 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:02.240 and families as well. The other piece that I think 250 00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:04.879 is really important when we think about the neurosquentcial model 251 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.720 of their When we think about the neursequential model, there 252 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:11.919 are so many different models within that. It started from 253 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:17.000 the neurosquential model of therapeutics, which was all about maltreated children. 254 00:15:17.240 --> 00:15:22.720 But since then, you know, it's really been there is 255 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:26.480 now the neurse quential model in education, the neurse quential 256 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:32.360 model of therapeutics in early childhood, in reflective practice and supervision, 257 00:15:32.559 --> 00:15:35.759 in sport, in caregiving. So what that tells us is 258 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:38.480 that we're no longer just looking at trauma, but we're 259 00:15:38.519 --> 00:15:42.200 also looking at how the brain develops, just neurobiologically, right, 260 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:45.000 So instead of saying that we're trauma informed, we're actually 261 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:48.519 being neurobiologically informed, so that when we're an educator and 262 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:51.559 we're we have a classroom full of students, how are 263 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:54.360 we going to optimize their education? How are we going 264 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:57.799 to optimize their development? And it's no longer about okay, 265 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:00.519 we're going to understand trauma and therefore that's going to happen. 266 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:03.639 But we're basically saying, what does a teacher need in 267 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:08.360 order to provide a best an opportunity for each child 268 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:11.559 within the classroom. So of course the piece around that 269 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:15.000 is what does it look like organizationally? So even though 270 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:20.320 this is a model speaking about each individual child, as 271 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:22.919 you know, when we're trauma informed, we're often talking about 272 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:29.320 you know, being developmentally appropriate for each child. But amongst 273 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:32.519 along with that, we also have to provide structure. We 274 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:35.440 have to provide predictability. So what does the organization or 275 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:38.799 what does the classroom in that particular case look like. 276 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:42.519 We're going to create as much predictability as possible, so 277 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:48.200 the brain has access to novel information, and so it's 278 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:51.759 not just about the child, it's also about organizationally. It's 279 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:54.440 also so when we think about the neuro sequential model 280 00:16:54.559 --> 00:17:00.519 in reflective supervision and reflective supervision, we're thinking about, so, 281 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:03.879 how are these teachers doing, for instance, I'm using education 282 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:06.720 as an example, how are these caregivers doing. If they 283 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:09.000 are not doing well, there's no way they're going to 284 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:11.759 be able to support children and families as well. So 285 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:15.160 it really is we start with the child in the middle, 286 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:18.079 and then we say, but the whole system has to 287 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:19.960 change in order for us to be able to do 288 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:23.880 this well. And that's what symposium is really bringing together 289 00:17:24.079 --> 00:17:27.759 is that entire system of people that are working with 290 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:32.480 these families, caregivers, professionals. How are we thinking about the child, 291 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:35.400 How are we supporting the caregivers? How are we supporting 292 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:39.119 the professionals in a way that is neurobiologically informed so 293 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:41.480 that they can do the best work that they can 294 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:42.279 do in those places. 295 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:44.640 Yeah. I really appreciate you mentioning that because I think 296 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:48.960 that speaks to people listening from all who are coming 297 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:55.119 at this from all different angles. Yeah, exciting, Michael, talk 298 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:58.880 a little bit about Emily You're dove in just a 299 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:02.200 little bit. But how the how the symposium structured, who's 300 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:04.240 going to be there? Maybe give us a little taste 301 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:08.279 what are uh some of the headings going to look like? 302 00:18:08.279 --> 00:18:09.720 What is it? Could talk to us? 303 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:12.920 Yeah, and I'm going to invite doctor Wong as well 304 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:16.640 to share because there's there's so many amazing people that 305 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:18.839 I don't want to miss out on that. But we've 306 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:22.960 got doctor Bruce Perry, We've got doctor Stewart Avalon with 307 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:32.559 think Kids, doctor Mark Brackett, and then Miles and I'm right, 308 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:38.440 I'm John, Yes, So, uh, those are our our keynote speakers, 309 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:43.799 and then we have a whole list of highlighted speakers. 310 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:47.680 Doctor Long if you want to, well, let me let 311 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:48.519 me interrupt us. 312 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:51.240 Rather than speakers, just give us the headings of what 313 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:52.799 they're going to be talking about, because I think that 314 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:56.240 might be able to speak or get more more people 315 00:18:57.480 --> 00:18:58.039 as attention. 316 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:02.000 Well, and so doctor Wong was talking about how the 317 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:07.799 nerves stricture model has these different components of the neuroscrientual 318 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:11.640 model of caregiving, of sport, of education, all of those things, 319 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:16.640 and so the presenters are bringing those pieces together and 320 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:19.359 saying this is what it looks like in education and 321 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:23.000 so for the neu scripture model education for caregivers. So 322 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:27.119 we've got the people who've helped kind of launch the 323 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:30.240 nerves scrich model education that Katie and Hailey will be 324 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:33.160 there and they've worked with doctor Ferry and all that, 325 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:34.599 and looking at what does it look like. 326 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:35.240 In the schools. 327 00:19:35.359 --> 00:19:37.839 We've got doctor Christy Brandt with the nurse quatre model 328 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:42.400 of the early childhood that has been you know, looking 329 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:46.759 at that zero to five piece. You've got Michelle Miketder 330 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:50.200 with the caregiving she's going to be speaking on that 331 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:52.960 and what does that look like? And I think the 332 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:55.279 structure of this is we wanted to take a look 333 00:19:55.440 --> 00:20:00.039 at no matter what population you're working with, that you 334 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:02.559 you can see how the neuro sequential model can be 335 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:06.839 carried out and put into practice. They're understanding the neurobiology 336 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:10.359 of the population you serve with, and so it's broken 337 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:14.440 down into those different I guess categories. 338 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:16.880 Of you because we all have brains. 339 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:24.039 And there are you know, we do have a component 340 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:29.839 speaking about indigenous practices and how they're tied into the 341 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:35.960 neurosquentchial model. We have Elder Casey Eagle Speaker. He's going 342 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:39.599 to be talking, He's going to be doing some experiential 343 00:20:39.680 --> 00:20:42.160 So that's another piece that's going to be really valuable 344 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:45.640 here is people are going to get to experience what 345 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:51.400 it's like to be involved, what does the implementation look like, 346 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:55.680 And I get to play a little bit when i'm 347 00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:57.799 you know, kind of thinking about what this is going 348 00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:01.599 to look like in my practice. So we've got occupational 349 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:04.119 therapists who's going to be talking about some of the 350 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:09.319 specific somatosensory activities that are happening. We have teachers who 351 00:21:09.359 --> 00:21:12.119 have activities that they provide that are from the you 352 00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:13.759 know what we would call the bottom up in the 353 00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:21.440 nerus quenchial model somatosensory activities. We've got land, a land 354 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:24.599 based indigenous circle that Elder Casey Eagle Speaker is going 355 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:29.880 to be providing for us as well, and opportunities for 356 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:32.279 with the researchers to talk about what are some of 357 00:21:32.279 --> 00:21:34.039 the topics that are missing. What are some of the 358 00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:37.039 topics that we need to be really addressing so that 359 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:40.799 we're ensuring that we're continuously improving the practice for children 360 00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:42.000 and families. 361 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:46.000 Emily before, How did you get involved with the neurse 362 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:46.720 sequential model. 363 00:21:47.359 --> 00:21:54.880 Yeah, so, well we started in twenty eleven and at 364 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:57.400 the not for profit agency that I was working for, 365 00:21:57.480 --> 00:22:01.640 the Hull Services, the people that are we that the 366 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:06.400 organization that is putting on the symposium. So we got 367 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:09.599 to know doctor Perry in twenty eleven. Actually I had 368 00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:12.319 met him several years prior to that when I was 369 00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:17.599 working in Iowa, and then saw him again when he 370 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:20.039 was speaking in Alberta, and we had a bit of 371 00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:23.720 a conversation and we told I told him what we 372 00:22:23.720 --> 00:22:26.839 were doing, and he, you know, he really invited us 373 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:30.960 to start thinking about things from that neurosquential lens. It 374 00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:35.039 was a huge change for us in our agency. So 375 00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:39.319 in an agency with at the time twenty eight programs 376 00:22:39.359 --> 00:22:42.759 that we're all doing different evidence based treatments in silos, 377 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:46.759 we had a common language. We started to understand brain development, 378 00:22:46.799 --> 00:22:50.680 We started to understand and really be creative. Our frontline 379 00:22:50.680 --> 00:22:54.480 workers were amazingly creative, which you will see at the 380 00:22:54.519 --> 00:22:58.920 symposium in thinking about what does this mean in practice? 381 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:00.799 If this is how the brain develops, and if this 382 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:04.680 is the sequence in which we need to practice, what 383 00:23:04.759 --> 00:23:08.200 can we provide for all of these kids? And you know, 384 00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:12.759 as a result of that, we have a huge skateboarding program. 385 00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:15.839 Now we have a huge Signifium farm that started with 386 00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:20.039 you know, a few boxes of garden elements and now 387 00:23:20.119 --> 00:23:27.680 has become a farm to table yearly event in the school. 388 00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:32.119 It's absolutely beautiful. In fact, guy, you should come and 389 00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:35.720 visit sometime because it's it's definitely worth Well. 390 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:40.119 Well, you both are very amazing salespeople. I'm like ready 391 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:44.160 to ready to jump in here. Like Michael, how about you? 392 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:47.160 How I mean you just glow when you talk about 393 00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:54.160 this the experience in totality, but more specifically the neuro 394 00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:57.240 sequential model. How has it shifted what you do? 395 00:23:58.799 --> 00:23:59.000 Yeah? 396 00:23:59.079 --> 00:24:02.839 So you you know that I have always worked with horses. 397 00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:06.559 That is my thing. And you know I had my 398 00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:11.799 master's in counseling, and I grew up showing and training horses. 399 00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:15.039 Knew that there was something incredible about them. And then 400 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:20.200 I came into I went to a natural lifemanship training 401 00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:23.200