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<v Speaker 1>For decades, people have disappeared in the woods without a trace.

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<v Speaker 1>Some blame wild animals, others whisper of creatures the world

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<v Speaker 1>refuses to believe in. But those who have survived they

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<v Speaker 1>know the truth. Welcome to Backwoods Bigfoot Stories, where we

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<v Speaker 1>share real encounters with the things lurking in the darkness bigfoot,

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<v Speaker 1>dog man, UFOs, and creatures that defy explanation. Some make

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<v Speaker 1>it out, others aren't so lucky. Are you ready, because

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<v Speaker 1>once you hear these stories, you'll never walk in the

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<v Speaker 1>woods alone again. So grab your flashlight, stay close, and

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<v Speaker 1>remember some things in the woods don't want to be found.

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<v Speaker 1>Hit that follow or subscribe button, turn on auto downloads,

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<v Speaker 1>and let's head off into the woods if you dare.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been on this road a long time now, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you've been riding along with me through the backwoods

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<v Speaker 1>of this country, you know how this works. By now,

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<v Speaker 1>we pick a state, we pick a stretch of woods,

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<v Speaker 1>and we go looking for the thing that lives in

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<v Speaker 1>the stories people tell there. Some of those stops have

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<v Speaker 1>been swamp country, some of them have been mountain country.

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<v Speaker 1>This one is river country, and river country has its

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<v Speaker 1>own rules. Missouri is state number twenty five for us,

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<v Speaker 1>the halfway mark of this road trip. Twenty five states

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<v Speaker 1>behind us and twenty five still ahead of us. Half

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<v Speaker 1>the country's worth of back roads and bad smells and

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<v Speaker 1>people who saw something they can't explain, and we're only

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<v Speaker 1>now standing at the turn. The highway drops down out

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<v Speaker 1>of the farmland and starts to bend the way the

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<v Speaker 1>water bends, and the bluffs come up on the side

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<v Speaker 1>of the road like a wall somebody built and then

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<v Speaker 1>walked away from. This isn't the Missouri that people picture

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<v Speaker 1>when they think of Missouri. There's no flat corn horizon here,

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<v Speaker 1>no long clean view. Northeast Missouri along the Mississippi is

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<v Speaker 1>folded and wooded and cut through with creeks that run

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<v Speaker 1>down out of the hills and go quiet in the summer,

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<v Speaker 1>and the timber is thick enough that a man standing

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<v Speaker 1>forty yards off the road can watch you go by

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<v Speaker 1>and you'll never know he was there. The town we're

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<v Speaker 1>stopping in is called Louisiana, not the state, the town.

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<v Speaker 1>It sits on the west bank of the Mississippi in

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<v Speaker 1>Pike County, about twenty five miles down the river from Hannibal,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the town Mark Twain made famous. Louisiana never

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<v Speaker 1>got that kind of famous. What Louisiana got was one

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<v Speaker 1>summer and one hill and a name that stuck to

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<v Speaker 1>it for more than fifty years. The hill is called

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<v Speaker 1>Marsof Hill, though most of the younger people in town

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<v Speaker 1>now call it Star Hill, and the name change tells

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<v Speaker 1>you something about how a place tries to move on.

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<v Speaker 1>Marsof Hill runs along the western edge of the town

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<v Speaker 1>like a spine. There's a water reservoir up on top

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<v Speaker 1>of it, a big one holding something like a million

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<v Speaker 1>and a half gallons, And in the summer of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy two, the neighborhood kids played up there the way

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood kids play everywhere, throwing rocks at things that made

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<v Speaker 1>a noise when you hit them. At the foot of

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<v Speaker 1>that hill, on Allen Street, there was a house with

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<v Speaker 1>a family in it, and on the afternoon of July eleventh,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy two, two little boys were playing in the

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<v Speaker 1>backyard of that house with the family dog. That's where

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<v Speaker 1>this one starts. The kids saw it first, and that

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<v Speaker 1>matters more than most people give it credit for. I

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<v Speaker 1>spent sixteen years in law enforcement, taking statements from every

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<v Speaker 1>kind of person there is, and children are a strange

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<v Speaker 1>kind of witness. They're terrible with time, they're terrible with distance.

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<v Speaker 1>They will tell you something was as big as a

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<v Speaker 1>house when it was as big as a refrigerator. But

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<v Speaker 1>children are also the worst liars in the world when

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<v Speaker 1>they're actually frightened, because a frightened child doesn't construct. A

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<v Speaker 1>frightened child reports, and the report comes out sideways and

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<v Speaker 1>messy and full of the wrong details. And that mess

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<v Speaker 1>is exactly what makes it worth listening to. The town

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<v Speaker 1>of Louisiana laughed at the kids for about a day

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<v Speaker 1>and a half. Then the adults started seeing it too.

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<v Speaker 1>This didn't come out of nowhere, And the people who

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<v Speaker 1>tell you this story as a bolt from the blue

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<v Speaker 1>are skipping the part I find most interesting. Northeast Missouri

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<v Speaker 1>had quiet talk about something in the timber going back decades.

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<v Speaker 1>There are references in the older accounts to reports around

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<v Speaker 1>Louisiana in the middle nineteen forties, and what survives of

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<v Speaker 1>them is thin. What we have is mostly recollection collected

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<v Speaker 1>later people saying that their parents or their neighbors had

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<v Speaker 1>talked about a big, hairy thing along the river. Before

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<v Speaker 1>the war and just after it. That's not documentation. That's

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<v Speaker 1>oral history. And oral history is a real thing that

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<v Speaker 1>historians use, but it isn't the same animal as a

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<v Speaker 1>police report, and it doesn't get to wear the same clothes. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>when a thing shows up in a town's mouth thirty

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<v Speaker 1>years for it shows up in the newspaper, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>pattern worth noticing, because towns tend to invent their monsters

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<v Speaker 1>after the newspapers arrive, not before. The first account with

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<v Speaker 1>real names attached to it comes from the summer of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy one, and it happened north of town. Two women,

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<v Speaker 1>Joon Mills and Mary Ryan, were driving back towards Saint

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<v Speaker 1>Louis on Highway seventy nine, which is the road that

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<v Speaker 1>runs along the river and through some of the prettiest

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<v Speaker 1>and loneliest country in that part.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the state.

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<v Speaker 1>They stopped to eat. That's the whole beginning of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Two women pulled off the highway at a wooded spot

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<v Speaker 1>to have a picnic lunch on a summer day, the

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<v Speaker 1>most ordinary thing two people can do. According to the

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<v Speaker 1>account kept by the local Historical Society in Louisiana, and

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<v Speaker 1>according to the newspaper coverage that followed. They started hearing

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<v Speaker 1>something out of the trees. They didn't call it a

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<v Speaker 1>roar or a growl or a scream. They called it gurgling.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was coming from the timber a few yards

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<v Speaker 1>off from where they were sitting with their lung lunch.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it came out of the woods, and the description

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<v Speaker 1>they gave was half ape and half man, dark upright

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere around six feet, though estimates in these accounts drift

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<v Speaker 1>around the way estimates always do. And with it came

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<v Speaker 1>the smell, the one that's going to follow this entire story,

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<v Speaker 1>like a dog following a truck. The women got into

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<v Speaker 1>their car and locked the doors, and the thing came

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<v Speaker 1>in close, close enough that the distance in the retelling

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<v Speaker 1>gets measured in a few paces rather than a few yards.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it did the single most animal thing in

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<v Speaker 1>the entire account, the detail that always stops me.

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<v Speaker 2>It went for the food.

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<v Speaker 1>Their lunch was still sitting out where they had left it,

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<v Speaker 1>and by the accounts that survived, the creature helped itself

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<v Speaker 1>and then went back into the trees.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a version of this story where.

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<v Speaker 1>The monster menaces two women on a Lonely Highway, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's the whole point. And that version is a campfire story.

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<v Speaker 1>The version where it eats the sandwiches is a different

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<v Speaker 1>kind of story. A thing that raids a picnic isn't

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<v Speaker 1>a nightmare. A thing that raids a picnic is hungry,

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<v Speaker 1>and hunger is a very ordinary motive, and ordinary motives

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<v Speaker 1>are what real animals have. I don't know what Joan

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<v Speaker 1>Mills and Mary Ryan saw. I wasn't there, and neither

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<v Speaker 1>was anybody else with a camera. What I know is

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<v Speaker 1>that the account entered the record a full year before

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<v Speaker 1>the town of Louisiana had any reason to be primed

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<v Speaker 1>for it, which means when the thing on Marsov Hill

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<v Speaker 1>showed up the following July, it didn't arrive as a

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<v Speaker 1>brand new idea. It arrived as a second data point.

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<v Speaker 1>And in nineteen seventy two, the second data point came

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<v Speaker 1>from a fifteen year old girl standing at a bathroom window.

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<v Speaker 1>On the afternoon of Tuesday, July eleventh, nineteen seventy two.

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<v Speaker 1>Both parents were at work. Edgar Harrison was at the

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Public Works, where he'd put in twenty one years,

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<v Speaker 1>and Betty was down at the cafe the family ran

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<v Speaker 1>on Main Street. Doris was home minding her brother. She

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<v Speaker 1>was fifteen, Terry was eight, and Wally was five, and

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<v Speaker 1>the house was at ten o four Allen Street, right

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<v Speaker 1>at the bottom of mars Off Hill. Doris was cleaning

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<v Speaker 1>the bathroom sink. The boys were out back with the

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<v Speaker 1>family dog, a dog they called Chubby. The back of

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<v Speaker 1>that yard runs right up into the timber at the

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<v Speaker 1>base of the hill, so there's no real line between

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<v Speaker 1>the mode grass and the woods, just the place where

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<v Speaker 1>one stops being one and starts being the other. Sometime

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<v Speaker 1>around half past three, Terry started screaming. Doris told the

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<v Speaker 1>Saint Louis Post Dispatch that Terry and Wally Paul were

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<v Speaker 1>out in the back with Chubby when she heard Terry

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<v Speaker 1>start screaming, and that she looked out the bathroom window

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<v Speaker 1>and saw it and started crying and ran into the

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<v Speaker 1>other room to call her mother on the telephone, and

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<v Speaker 1>then her parents came home. What she saw was standing

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<v Speaker 1>right by a tree, six or seven feet tall, black

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<v Speaker 1>and hairy, and she said it stood like a man,

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<v Speaker 1>but that it didn't look like one to her. Both

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<v Speaker 1>Doris and Terry got a look at it and both

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<v Speaker 1>of them said the same thing about the head, which

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<v Speaker 1>was that they couldn't see a face because hair covered

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<v Speaker 1>the whole animal from the crown down. It didn't appear

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<v Speaker 1>to have a neck. The head sat directly on the shoulders,

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<v Speaker 1>and I believe that's where the pumpkin description in the

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<v Speaker 1>later coverage comes from. Some accounts add glowing orange eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>and the eyes are the piece that moves around, depending

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<v Speaker 1>on which witness is talking and what year they were talking,

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<v Speaker 1>in running orange in some teilings and red or green

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<v Speaker 1>in others. It was carrying something under one arm, a

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<v Speaker 1>dead dog, by every account, and the hair of the

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<v Speaker 1>creature was flecked with blood from whatever it was holding.

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<v Speaker 1>The dead dog and the family dog are two different animals,

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<v Speaker 1>and nearly every short version of this case runs them together.

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<v Speaker 1>Chubby was the Harrison's dog, and he was out in

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<v Speaker 1>that yard with those two boys, and he came back.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever the creature was carrying was some other dog, and

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<v Speaker 1>that dog was never identified and never recovered. Nobody in

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<v Speaker 1>Louisiana produced a carcass, and no owner ever came forward

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<v Speaker 1>to claim one. What happened to Chubby after the incident

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<v Speaker 1>is that he got sick. His eyes went bloodshot, and

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<v Speaker 1>he started vomiting violently, and by the accounts, he stayed

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<v Speaker 1>that way for hours before he came around, and what

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<v Speaker 1>finally settled him was a meal of bread and milk.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a long standing assumption in the reporting that the

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<v Speaker 1>smell was what did it to him, And my own

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<v Speaker 1>view is that a badly frightened dog can present the

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<v Speaker 1>same way, and that both of those roads lead back

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<v Speaker 1>to the same place, which is that something was in

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<v Speaker 1>that yard. Edgar Harrison got home around four. He didn't

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<v Speaker 1>find a monster. What he found was brush beaten down

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<v Speaker 1>where his children said the thing had been standing, faint

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<v Speaker 1>footprints in the dust, and black hair stuck to some twigs.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he told his kids it was probably a hobo

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<v Speaker 1>who had already moved on. That's the part I keep

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<v Speaker 1>coming back to, because it's the last ordinary thing anybody

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<v Speaker 1>in that family got to say about it. It didn't

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<v Speaker 1>stay contained to that one yard. That same afternoon, a

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<v Speaker 1>woman who lived a few blocks from the Harrisons, listed

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<v Speaker 1>in the papers of that era as Missus Clarence Lee,

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<v Speaker 1>reported animal sounds outside her house. She never claimed to

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<v Speaker 1>see anything. What she reported was a creature carrying on

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<v Speaker 1>something terrible somewhere off toward the hill. And not long

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<v Speaker 1>after that she reportedly spoke with a local farmer whose

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<v Speaker 1>dog had gone missing. Missing dogs run all the way

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<v Speaker 1>through this case, and they come back in a serious way.

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<v Speaker 2>About a week later.

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<v Speaker 1>The next Friday was July fourteenth. Edgar was hosting the

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<v Speaker 1>regular Pentecostal prayer meeting at the house, and this was

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<v Speaker 1>of the time. There were something like fifty people there

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<v Speaker 1>that evening. Around half past eight. The meeting broke up

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<v Speaker 1>and most of the congregation started for home. Edgar and

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<v Speaker 1>about a dozen of them stayed outside talking. Betty and

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<v Speaker 1>the children were in the house. That's when the fireballs

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<v Speaker 1>much careful war on American monster cases as anybody alive,

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<v Speaker 1>preserved the account. Two objects came over Marsov Hill and

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<v Speaker 1>dropped down into the trees behind an abandoned school across

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<v Speaker 1>the street. They came about five minutes apart, and the

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<v Speaker 1>first one was white and the second one was green.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the seam in the Momo case where a

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<v Speaker 1>hairy animal story turns into something else, and depending on

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<v Speaker 1>which investigator you follow, it's either the most important part

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<v Speaker 1>of the file or the thing that ruined it. About

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<v Speaker 1>a quarter past nine, Edgar heard a ringing off the

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<v Speaker 1>top of the hill, the sound rocks make hitting a

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<v Speaker 1>metal water reservoir. That tank holds a million and a

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<v Speaker 1>After one especially loud ring, he heard a growl. In

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<v Speaker 1>his own words, it got louder and louder and kept

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<v Speaker 1>coming closer. He wanted to find out what was making

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<v Speaker 1>the noise, so he and his family hopped in the

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<v Speaker 1>car and drove down Allen Street and across Town Branch,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the creek that cuts through that part of town,

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<v Speaker 1>and he stopped the car. By then the noise had

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<v Speaker 1>pulled people out of their houses all down that street.

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<v Speaker 1>Edgar put the number at forty. Some of them were

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<v Speaker 1>carrying guns. Some of them were headed up toward the

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<v Speaker 1>reservoir to see for themselves. Then somebody yelled that here

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<v Speaker 1>it comes. In Edgar's version, his wife and children shouted

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<v Speaker 1>it from the car to the people in the street.

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<v Speaker 1>In the version that ran in the local paper, it

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the neighbors who yelled it either way.

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<v Speaker 1>Forty people turned around and ran back down Allen Street

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<v Speaker 1>in the dark. Police officers Jerry Floyd and John Whittaker

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<v Speaker 1>came out to the house, searched the residence and the

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<v Speaker 1>area around it, and found nothing. Edgar and Betty gave

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<v Speaker 1>the Post Dispatch a planer account. They were having their

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<v Speaker 1>regular church meeting when they all heard it, a loud

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<v Speaker 1>growling noise three separate times, and then a sound like

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<v Speaker 1>the thing was hurt, a large yelp. Betty said it

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<v Speaker 1>sounded like a gorilla. Then she went further than her

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<v Speaker 1>husband ever did and named it, saying that's what it was,

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<v Speaker 1>a bigfoot, and that she'd heard they had one in

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<v Speaker 1>California and up in Canada.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the moment the.

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<v Speaker 1>Vocabulary arrives in Louisiana, Missouri. Nineteen seventy two is five

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<v Speaker 1>years after the Patterson Gimlin film got into the culture.

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<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot was on television and in paperbacks and in men's

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<v Speaker 1>adventure magazines by then, and Betty Harrison, reaching for the word,

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<v Speaker 1>tells us the frame was sitting there and the town

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<v Speaker 1>knew it. Later that same night, Edgar went up the

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<v Speaker 1>hill with several other men and found the old building,

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<v Speaker 1>a vacant shack with a pile of leaves and debris

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<v Speaker 1>in one corner, and a stench coming out of it

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<v Speaker 1>that the men compared to rotten flesh and to foul,

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<v Speaker 1>stagnant water. Edgar described it as a moldy horse smell

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<v Speaker 1>or a strong garbage smell. The smell runs through this

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<v Speaker 1>whole case. It's in the nineteen seventy one picnic account,

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<v Speaker 1>it's in that shack, it's on the hill during the searches,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's in half the sightings that came after. Of

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<v Speaker 1>everything in the Momo fire, well, the odor is the

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<v Speaker 1>part that stays the same, more than the height, more

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<v Speaker 1>than the eyes, more than anything about the head. Stay

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<v Speaker 1>tuned for more Backwoods Bigfoot stories. We'll be back after

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<v Speaker 1>these messages. Betty had had enough. She took the children

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<v Speaker 1>and moved in with Edgar's brother, Vivian Howchins and his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>and told her reporter she'd never go back up there.

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<v Speaker 1>Houchins never saw it. He was fifty six years old,

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<v Speaker 1>and what he got was the odor and the sound.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, the odor was worse than any old goat

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<v Speaker 1>you ever smelled, and then he said the line that

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<v Speaker 1>has stuck with me for years, that the growl was

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<v Speaker 1>like a bear's growl, but that a bear doesn't run

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<v Speaker 1>on two feet. Edgar was doing something I respect and

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<v Speaker 1>would probably not do myself. He hung fish and hamskin

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<v Speaker 1>on a tree behind the house for bait. He tied

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<v Speaker 1>his own dog up on the hill. He sat outside

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<v Speaker 1>in the dark and waited. He eventually took a leave

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<v Speaker 1>of absence from the waterworks and camped at the foot

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<v Speaker 1>of Marsof Hill for twenty one night's running. Nothing took

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<v Speaker 1>the bait. His position, as he gave it to the press,

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<v Speaker 1>was that there was something up there and they hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>found it yet. Around five the next morning, Saturday the fifteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>a Louisiana man named Pat Howard watched something man like

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<v Speaker 1>cross the road near Marsof Hill. He wouldn't go past,

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<v Speaker 1>calling it a dark object running like a man. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>take an unglamorous report like.

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<v Speaker 2>That any day of the week. The man who had.

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<v Speaker 1>To deal with all of it was the Louisiana Chief

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<v Speaker 1>of Police, Shelby Ward. I've been on the other end

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<v Speaker 1>of that radio, so I know what his week looked like.

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<v Speaker 1>By the middle of July, Ward's department was rolling night

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<v Speaker 1>after night on things people had heard, rather than things

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<v Speaker 1>people had seen. That's the worst kind of call a

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<v Speaker 1>small department can catch. There's nothing to process and nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to photograph, nothing to put in a report except a time,

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<v Speaker 1>an address, and the.

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<v Speaker 2>Words the caller used.

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<v Speaker 1>Every one of them still has to be answered, because

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<v Speaker 1>the night of department decides not to roll is the

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<v Speaker 1>night something is actually out there. On Wednesday, the nineteenth

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<v Speaker 1>Ward quit answering calls one at a time and put

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<v Speaker 1>together a posse. Twenty men spread out with walkie talkies,

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<v Speaker 1>and they combed that ridge end to end and made

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<v Speaker 1>three passes up the hill. They found an old dump

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<v Speaker 1>that had been dug up recently, with rubbish strewn around.

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<v Speaker 1>And they found two dog graves that had been opened,

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<v Speaker 1>with the bones scattered. Nobody has ever explained that dogs

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<v Speaker 1>dig sure, and Missouri has never had a shortage of coyotes.

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<v Speaker 1>A man with a shovel and a bad sense of

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<v Speaker 1>humor is never off the table in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>a monster flap. But that town had just spent a

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<v Speaker 1>week talking about missing dogs and about a creature carrying

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<v Speaker 1>a dead one, and then a search party walked up

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<v Speaker 1>the hill and found two dog graves opened, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>never been able to file that anywhere comfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>Ward told the press.

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<v Speaker 1>They hadn't found a thing, and he hoped that ended it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it didn't end it. Searchers went back over the

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<v Speaker 1>same ground the next day and found trampled brush, signs

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<v Speaker 1>of digging tracks better than ten inches long, and handprints

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<v Speaker 1>pressed into hard, dry soil that the men out there

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<v Speaker 1>figured would have taken enormous pressure to make. They got

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<v Speaker 1>the smell again, close enough that they thought the thing

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<v Speaker 1>was standing right there with them, and they saw nothing around.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Edgar took a Chicago reporter named Richard Crow up

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<v Speaker 1>the hill, and Crow rode up a set of tracks.

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<v Speaker 1>The two of them found together human looking prints, one

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<v Speaker 1>of them ten inches long and five wide, even with

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<v Speaker 1>the heel impression incomplete. There had been no rain in

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<v Speaker 1>ten days, and the two of them figured better than

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred pounds of pressure would have been needed to

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<v Speaker 1>make a print in ground that hard. By the twenty third,

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<v Speaker 1>the Post Dispatch was reporting that police had sealed off

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred acres of woods while about twenty five hunters

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<v Speaker 1>went through it. A good many of them expecting to

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<v Speaker 1>turn up a black bear. Some accounts put one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>armed men on that hill.

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<v Speaker 2>At the peak of it.

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<v Speaker 1>The creature in the town's mouth was getting bigger the

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<v Speaker 1>whole time. It went from six or seven feet to twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>It picked up clawed hands. Its eyes were red in

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<v Speaker 1>one telling, orange in another, green in a third, and

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<v Speaker 1>somebody started a story that the thing had lifted the

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<v Speaker 1>back end of an automobile and dragged it into a ditch.

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<v Speaker 1>Eight days in and the town was producing a tall

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<v Speaker 1>tail rumor was out running report. Ward was worried about

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<v Speaker 1>something more immediate than the record. He said out loud

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<v Speaker 1>that people were going to go up that hill with

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<v Speaker 1>guns looking for this thing, and somebody was going to

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<v Speaker 2>Gus Artists.

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<v Speaker 1>The state conservation agent working with him, said much the same,

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<v Speaker 1>that he hoped it would die down before a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of adventure seekers overran the place. They were both right

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<v Speaker 1>to worry. That's not a monster problem. That's a Tuesday

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<v Speaker 1>night problem, and it's why law enforcement hates a public

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<v Speaker 1>panic more than almost anything. Ward had an unknown number

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<v Speaker 1>of armed civilians moving through dark timber at night on

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<v Speaker 1>a hill above a town all of them looking for

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<v Speaker 1>a large dark shape, so Ward barricaded the hill. He

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<v Speaker 1>said they'd been up there and were convinced there was

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<v Speaker 1>nothing there. Now he allowed that kids would get up

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<v Speaker 1>there at night anyway, and then he gave his own

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<v Speaker 1>theory of the case that kids making noises was more

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<v Speaker 1>than likely. How the whole thing started. Friday night, July

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<v Speaker 1>twenty first, Elis Minor, sixty three years old, was sitting

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<v Speaker 1>north of town when his bird dog started to growl.

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<v Speaker 1>Miner got his big hunting flashlight and put the beam

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<v Speaker 1>out toward the road, and it was standing there. He

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<v Speaker 1>told a United Press International reporter he couldn't see its

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<v Speaker 1>eyes or its face because the hair came down about

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<v Speaker 1>to its hind parts. As soon as he threw the

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<v Speaker 1>light on it, it whirled and took off. He didn't

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<v Speaker 1>call the police, He called GUS artists the conservation officer.

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<v Speaker 1>Another sighting from that stretch belongs to Richard Allan Murray,

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<v Speaker 1>chief of the local fire department and a member of

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<v Speaker 1>the city council. Murray reported driving along a creek bed

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<v Speaker 1>and putting his headlights on a large, upright creature he

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<v Speaker 1>had to go to work the next morning. He had

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<v Speaker 1>to sit in meetings with people who'd needle him about

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<v Speaker 1>it for the rest of his life, and he told

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<v Speaker 1>it anyway. Then the investigators arrived. Hayden Hughes ran an

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<v Speaker 1>outfit out of Oklahoma City called the International Unidentified Flying

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<v Speaker 1>Object Bureau, and he came up with an assistant named

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Garcia. They camped in the Harrison backyard. They took statements.

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<v Speaker 1>They cast the two tracks on Marsov Hill and came

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<v Speaker 1>away impressed. Both impressions are described in the reporting. One

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<v Speaker 1>was about ten inches long and five inches wide. The

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<v Speaker 1>other ran around five inches curved through the middle, with

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<v Speaker 1>three impressions on.

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<v Speaker 2>It that looked like toes.

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<v Speaker 1>The three toad print is a problem. North American Harry

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<v Speaker 1>Hominid reports overwhelmingly describe a five toed foot, and the

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<v Speaker 1>casting record in this field, for all its faults, is

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<v Speaker 1>dominated by five toad prints. Historically, when a three toad

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<v Speaker 1>track turns up in the middle of a flap, it

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<v Speaker 1>has very often turned out to be a man with

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<v Speaker 1>a board and a jigsaw. The cast went to Lawrence Curtis,

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<v Speaker 1>then the director of the Oklahoma City Zoo, and botanical garden,

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<v Speaker 1>a man who had spent his professional life looking at

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<v Speaker 1>the feet of actual large primates. The record splits badly

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<v Speaker 1>on what came back. A number of sources say Curtis

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<v Speaker 1>examined the material and called it a hoax. Others say

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<v Speaker 1>he described the prince as belonging to an unknown primate species.

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<v Speaker 1>Both have been in print for fifty years and I

423
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<v Speaker 1>can't reconcile them, And anybody who tells this story as

424
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<v Speaker 1>though the Curtis verdict is settled has gone past what

425
00:22:46.039 --> 00:22:49.759
<v Speaker 1>the record supports. On the night of Saturday the twenty second,

426
00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:52.599
<v Speaker 1>Hughes and Garcia camped on the hill hoping to get

427
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<v Speaker 1>a tape of the growling. Around half past nine that night,

428
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<v Speaker 1>somebody called the police to report hearing the thing on

429
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<v Speaker 1>the far side of the hill from where the two

430
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<v Speaker 1>of them were sitting. They walked over, but they got

431
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<v Speaker 1>nothing at all. Hugh said afterward that they didn't see

432
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<v Speaker 1>or smell or hear anything, and then added that from

433
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<v Speaker 1>the number of reports, he believed something had clearly been sighted.

434
00:23:15.559 --> 00:23:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Hughes came in convinced Momo fit what he called a

435
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<v Speaker 1>giant hairy biped, a category he said his organization had

436
00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:25.640
<v Speaker 1>collected close to three hundred reports of since it opened

437
00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:28.799
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fifty seven. His first theory was that a

438
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<v Speaker 1>flying object had left the creature there. Then he softened

439
00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:36.480
<v Speaker 1>into four possibilities, running from an experimental animal dropped off

440
00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:40.319
<v Speaker 1>by a craft, to a prehistoric survivor, to an escaped

441
00:23:40.519 --> 00:23:44.759
<v Speaker 1>zoo primate, to a good old fashioned hoax. On the

442
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<v Speaker 1>first of August, he held a press conference to say

443
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<v Speaker 1>that despite finding some hoaxes while interviewing at least twenty people,

444
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<v Speaker 1>he believed the creature was most likely an unknown form

445
00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:57.880
<v Speaker 1>of hominid, something along the lines of a Neanderthal that

446
00:23:57.960 --> 00:24:00.799
<v Speaker 1>never went extinct, and that it needed to be taken

447
00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:04.519
<v Speaker 1>alive because it would be the greatest anthropological find in history.

448
00:24:05.359 --> 00:24:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Nothing was ever taken alive or otherwise. On Monday the

449
00:24:09.519 --> 00:24:13.240
<v Speaker 1>twenty fourth, two farm families out between Louisiana and Bowling

450
00:24:13.319 --> 00:24:16.599
<v Speaker 1>Green reported a circle of flashing lights that hovered or

451
00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:19.279
<v Speaker 1>seemed to set down in the distance and stayed about

452
00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:23.759
<v Speaker 1>five minutes. I've got some complicated feelings about the investigators here.

453
00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:28.359
<v Speaker 1>Hughes collected statements that would otherwise have evaporated, and men

454
00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:31.680
<v Speaker 1>like Coleman who came at it from the cryptozoology side

455
00:24:31.720 --> 00:24:34.920
<v Speaker 1>instead of the flying saucer side, preserved a chronology of

456
00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:38.319
<v Speaker 1>that July we would not otherwise have. They did the

457
00:24:38.359 --> 00:24:41.559
<v Speaker 1>field work in the heat on their own money. The

458
00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:45.559
<v Speaker 1>flying object angle is also where this case lost anybody serious.

459
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:49.519
<v Speaker 1>Once an investigation frames a hairy animal as cargo dropped

460
00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:53.640
<v Speaker 1>off by a spacecraft, it has stopped doing zoology. The

461
00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:55.559
<v Speaker 1>sober people who might have gone up that hill with

462
00:24:55.640 --> 00:24:59.799
<v Speaker 1>cameras and casting kits and a little discipline stayed home instead.

463
00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:04.440
<v Speaker 1>The case got enormous attention and almost no rigor. The

464
00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:06.799
<v Speaker 1>last piece of the flap came early on the morning

465
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<v Speaker 1>of August third, northwest of town, at the farm of

466
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<v Speaker 1>Bill Sutdarth and his wife. They heard a high pitched

467
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<v Speaker 1>howling in the yard in the middle of the night

468
00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:18.240
<v Speaker 1>and went out with flashlights, and in the middle of

469
00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:22.400
<v Speaker 1>their garden they found four large prints. Sutdarth called his

470
00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:26.799
<v Speaker 1>hunting partner, Clyde Penrod, who came over and cast one.

471
00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:29.720
<v Speaker 1>What Penrod couldn't work out was that the prince started

472
00:25:29.720 --> 00:25:32.079
<v Speaker 1>abruptly in the middle of the garden and ended just

473
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<v Speaker 1>as abruptly twenty feet from anything else, with no trail

474
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<v Speaker 1>leading in or out. Years later, a woman named Gail

475
00:25:39.279 --> 00:25:42.359
<v Speaker 1>Sa Darth, who was seven years old that summer, said

476
00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:45.920
<v Speaker 1>she'd been out picking tomatoes in that garden, bored thinking

477
00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:48.880
<v Speaker 1>about the monster everybody was talking about, and that she

478
00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:51.319
<v Speaker 1>drew a big footprint in the soft dirt with her

479
00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:54.680
<v Speaker 1>own big toe. The accounts differ on the date and

480
00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:57.160
<v Speaker 1>on the number of prints, so I can't tell you

481
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<v Speaker 1>those are the same event.

482
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<v Speaker 2>What I can tell.

483
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<v Speaker 1>You is that the last piece of physical evidence in

484
00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:06.240
<v Speaker 1>this case has a grown woman attached to it, saying

485
00:26:06.279 --> 00:26:09.079
<v Speaker 1>she made one as a child with her toe. The

486
00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:11.440
<v Speaker 1>name showed up somewhere in the middle of this flap,

487
00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:14.000
<v Speaker 1>and the name is a big part of why we're

488
00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:17.920
<v Speaker 1>still talking about it today. In twenty twenty six, the

489
00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:21.599
<v Speaker 1>press dubbed the thing Momo, short for Missouri monster, and

490
00:26:21.640 --> 00:26:25.200
<v Speaker 1>they did it as a joke. Nobody in Louisiana used

491
00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:28.319
<v Speaker 1>the word before the papers did. The family called it

492
00:26:28.599 --> 00:26:33.039
<v Speaker 1>a monster, Betty called it a bigfoot. Houchens called it

493
00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:36.039
<v Speaker 1>a thing that smelled worse than a goat. The name

494
00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:39.640
<v Speaker 1>went national inside of a week. A wire story could

495
00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:42.960
<v Speaker 1>travel farther in nineteen seventy two than most people remember

496
00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:47.000
<v Speaker 1>once the Associated Press and United Press International had it.

497
00:26:47.559 --> 00:26:50.319
<v Speaker 1>That story ran in papers all over the country, and

498
00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:52.640
<v Speaker 1>the photographs that went with it are the ones still

499
00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:56.319
<v Speaker 1>in circulation. Men in short sleeves standing on a wooded

500
00:26:56.400 --> 00:27:00.920
<v Speaker 1>hillside holding rifles and plaster casts. Ports spread with the

501
00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:04.480
<v Speaker 1>name up and down the Mississippi from Saint Charles County

502
00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:07.920
<v Speaker 1>in the south, all the way north past Hannibal. Then

503
00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:11.200
<v Speaker 1>it got into the culture. A disc jockey at a

504
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:14.480
<v Speaker 1>country station over in Bowling Green recorded a song called

505
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:17.759
<v Speaker 1>Momo the Missouri Monster, and by at least one account,

506
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:21.000
<v Speaker 1>that record did more for the legend than any newspaper did,

507
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:25.000
<v Speaker 1>because a song gets played and replayed and hummed and requested.

508
00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:28.440
<v Speaker 1>For several years after the scare, the town of Louisiana

509
00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:32.039
<v Speaker 1>held Momo Days, with people walking around in wigs combed

510
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:35.480
<v Speaker 1>down over their faces. That's a town making its peace

511
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:39.200
<v Speaker 1>with its monster. Whatever scared everybody in July is on

512
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:41.720
<v Speaker 1>a T shirt by the next summer, and there's nothing

513
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:45.000
<v Speaker 1>cynical in it. It's how people survive a strange year.

514
00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:48.400
<v Speaker 1>What it does is shut people up. Once a case

515
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:51.440
<v Speaker 1>becomes a festival, the ones who actually saw something close

516
00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:54.279
<v Speaker 1>their mouths because the whole business is a joke now,

517
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:57.480
<v Speaker 1>and nobody wants to be the punchline. The louder the

518
00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:01.759
<v Speaker 1>legend gets, the quieter the real witness are. By the

519
00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:05.200
<v Speaker 1>first week of August, it was done. The sightings tailed off,

520
00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:08.480
<v Speaker 1>the reporters left, and Louisiana went back to being a

521
00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:12.519
<v Speaker 1>rivertown with a hill behind it. The explanations people offered

522
00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:15.319
<v Speaker 1>are part of the record too. The first was a bear,

523
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:17.240
<v Speaker 1>and that's what a lot of the searchers on that

524
00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:21.480
<v Speaker 1>hill thought they were after. Missouri's black bear population in

525
00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:25.720
<v Speaker 1>the early seventies was small and concentrated down in the Ozarks,

526
00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:29.039
<v Speaker 1>and a bear in Pike County in nineteen seventy two

527
00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:32.720
<v Speaker 1>would have been a notable event by itself. The second

528
00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:35.359
<v Speaker 1>was kids, which is where the chief of Police landed.

529
00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:38.839
<v Speaker 1>It covers the noises and the reservoir and a fair

530
00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:41.559
<v Speaker 1>amount of the movement on that hill. The third is

531
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:46.079
<v Speaker 1>a costume, and there's a name attached. Priscilla Guildner, a

532
00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:49.839
<v Speaker 1>retired Louisiana educator, has said for years that she knows

533
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:52.359
<v Speaker 1>it was a put on because three of her former

534
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:55.559
<v Speaker 1>students confessed it to her. She has never named them.

535
00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:58.880
<v Speaker 1>They have never come forward. The fourth is that a

536
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:02.039
<v Speaker 1>fifteen year old girl, an eight year old boy, a

537
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:05.400
<v Speaker 1>fire chief, an old man with a bird dog, two

538
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:08.599
<v Speaker 1>women having a roadside picnic the summer before, and a

539
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Pentecostal congregation of about fifty people all reported something inside

540
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:15.200
<v Speaker 1>of a year in the same stretch of river country.

541
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I think something happened behind that house on the eleventh.

542
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:21.440
<v Speaker 1>I think the children and their teenage sister saw it.

543
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:24.759
<v Speaker 1>The smell is, in my opinion, the strongest.

544
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:25.079
<v Speaker 2>Thread in the file.

545
00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:29.440
<v Speaker 1>The tracks are worthless, and the flying object material muddied

546
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>a case that might have gotten a serious look from

547
00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:35.920
<v Speaker 1>serious people. Edgar Harrison believed what he experienced for the

548
00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:38.920
<v Speaker 1>rest of his life and became the man people drove

549
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:43.400
<v Speaker 1>into town to talk to. Doris grew up, married, became

550
00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:47.359
<v Speaker 1>Doris Harrison Bliss until her death. She said what she

551
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:49.359
<v Speaker 1>and her brother saw at the foot of that hill

552
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:53.799
<v Speaker 1>was not an animal known to science. Marsov Hill is

553
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:56.960
<v Speaker 1>called Star Hill. Now, most people in that town under

554
00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.839
<v Speaker 1>fifty couldn't say what marsof Ever was. The older folks know,

555
00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:04.160
<v Speaker 1>and they know exactly which house on Allen Street it was,

556
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:06.880
<v Speaker 1>and they'll talk about it with somebody who buys them

557
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:09.400
<v Speaker 1>a cup of coffee and doesn't act like a tourist.

558
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:13.319
<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned for more Backwoods Bigfoot stories. We'll be back

559
00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:18.519
<v Speaker 1>after these messages. The documented record runs out around the

560
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:21.640
<v Speaker 1>first week of August, and that's where most tellings stop,

561
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:24.720
<v Speaker 1>with the reporters packing up and the hill going quiet,

562
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:27.720
<v Speaker 1>and the whole business folding itself into a festival and

563
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:31.279
<v Speaker 1>a song strip the name off it, though. Take away

564
00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Momo and the wigs and the novelty record and the

565
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:36.680
<v Speaker 1>flying object material hughes hung on the side of it,

566
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:40.279
<v Speaker 1>and look at what's in that file. A tall bipedal

567
00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:43.960
<v Speaker 1>figure covered in hair, no visible face, and no visible neck,

568
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:49.400
<v Speaker 1>an overpowering odor prey carried under one arm. A dog

569
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:52.480
<v Speaker 1>that came apart, noise off a wooded ridge at night,

570
00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:56.359
<v Speaker 1>tracks in dry ground. Every item on that list is

571
00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:01.000
<v Speaker 1>an ordinary sasquatch report. Almost everything about the Harrison encounter

572
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:03.759
<v Speaker 1>that sounds outlandish came from what the press did to

573
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:07.000
<v Speaker 1>it afterward. The raw thing that happened behind a house

574
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:09.920
<v Speaker 1>on Allen Street on a July afternoon would fit without

575
00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:12.960
<v Speaker 1>a wrinkle into any file cabinet of North American hairy

576
00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:17.400
<v Speaker 1>hominid reports. Anybody wants to open Those reports didn't stop

577
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:20.799
<v Speaker 1>in Missouri in nineteen seventy two, and they didn't slow down.

578
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:24.640
<v Speaker 1>They stopped being famous. I'd argue the state has been

579
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:27.680
<v Speaker 1>quietly producing some of the more interesting encounters in the

580
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:32.119
<v Speaker 1>Midwest ever since, in near total silence, because everybody who

581
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:34.680
<v Speaker 1>lives there learned in the summer of seventy two what

582
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:37.920
<v Speaker 1>happens to your name when you talk. So the second

583
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:40.839
<v Speaker 1>half of our stop in Missouri belongs to the Sasquatch.

584
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.160
<v Speaker 1>The big Foot Field Researchers organization has cataloged something north

585
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:48.359
<v Speaker 1>of one hundred and sixty reports out of Missouri, which

586
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:51.839
<v Speaker 1>puts the state around ninth in the country. That's higher

587
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:55.200
<v Speaker 1>than anybody expects from a place most people picture as farmland.

588
00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:59.839
<v Speaker 1>The database is self submitted accounts, some investigated in person

589
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:04.519
<v Speaker 1>a volunteer, and some not. The organization sorts them into classes.

590
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:08.519
<v Speaker 1>The strongest is a clear visual observation under decent conditions.

591
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:11.960
<v Speaker 1>The middle is sounds or odor or activity without a

592
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:15.640
<v Speaker 1>good look at the animal. The weakest is secondhand material

593
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:19.440
<v Speaker 1>that reached the investigator through somebody else. What a database

594
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:23.279
<v Speaker 1>like that gives us is geography. The Missouri geography is

595
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:27.039
<v Speaker 1>consistent to the point of being boring. Reports cluster along

596
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:30.079
<v Speaker 1>the Big River corridors and up in the Ozark Uplands,

597
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:34.880
<v Speaker 1>with Pike County, Crawford County, and Jackson County turning up

598
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:38.279
<v Speaker 1>over and over the eastern half of the state. The

599
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:42.319
<v Speaker 1>Mississippi side has been generating them since before Momo and

600
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:46.559
<v Speaker 1>has never stopped. West of Louisiana out toward Bowling Green,

601
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:49.359
<v Speaker 1>a farmer named William Maigi has a place where he

602
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.279
<v Speaker 1>and members of his family have been reporting a sasquatch

603
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:56.319
<v Speaker 1>since nineteen ninety one. His own encounter came that year.

604
00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:59.079
<v Speaker 1>He was driving along a creek on his own ground,

605
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:02.160
<v Speaker 1>came around a bend, and there it was down in

606
00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:05.000
<v Speaker 1>the creek bottom, squatting on two legs the way a

607
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:09.160
<v Speaker 1>man squats about seven feet of it, hunched over, covered

608
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:12.240
<v Speaker 1>in black brown hair. It turned its head and looked

609
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:12.599
<v Speaker 1>at him.

610
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:13.519
<v Speaker 2>He says.

611
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:16.440
<v Speaker 1>The face struck him as more human than ape. Then

612
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:18.519
<v Speaker 1>it went straight up and over a creek bank that

613
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:22.119
<v Speaker 1>stands about eight feet high, and it was gone down

614
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.240
<v Speaker 1>in Lincoln County, in and around Queverra River State Park.

615
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:27.880
<v Speaker 1>There have been enough reports in the last few years

616
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:31.759
<v Speaker 1>to make the news repeatedly queverra River is better than

617
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:34.640
<v Speaker 1>six four hundred acres of hard wood and prairie and

618
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:38.039
<v Speaker 1>river bottom, and it sits within an easy night's travel

619
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:41.960
<v Speaker 1>of everything we've been talking about. At Bowling Green Lake,

620
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:45.000
<v Speaker 1>at least three separate people came forward with sightings over

621
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>about three years. A farmer, a state park, a lake.

622
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:51.839
<v Speaker 1>Three unconnected people, and not one of them making a

623
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:55.359
<v Speaker 1>nickel off any of it. Move west across the state,

624
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:59.559
<v Speaker 1>and they keep coming. Late May of twenty twelve, Clay County,

625
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:03.240
<v Speaker 1>at a game access area near Smithville Lake, a young

626
00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:06.400
<v Speaker 1>man named Cody, a college student, then was out there

627
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:08.960
<v Speaker 1>at night with three friends, sitting in a jeep with

628
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:12.280
<v Speaker 1>the windows cracked. Everything went quiet at once, and in

629
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:16.480
<v Speaker 1>every direction. Cody had seen bears, He'd seen mountain lions

630
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:19.159
<v Speaker 1>and bobcats. He'd been out in the dead of night

631
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:22.440
<v Speaker 1>in southern Arkansas checking game cameras when a panther screamed.

632
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:25.239
<v Speaker 1>And that's a sound that will take the legs out

633
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:27.639
<v Speaker 1>from under a grown man the first time he hears it.

634
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:30.519
<v Speaker 1>With all of that behind him, he said he had

635
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:33.119
<v Speaker 1>never in his life heard woods go as quiet as

636
00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:36.079
<v Speaker 1>those woods went. The man who has done most of

637
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:37.880
<v Speaker 1>the legwork in that part of the state for the

638
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:42.480
<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot Field Researchers organization is Carter Bouchard out of Liberty.

639
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:46.000
<v Speaker 1>He's consulted on finding Bigfoot and he's led well over

640
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:49.760
<v Speaker 1>one hundred private nighttime expeditions. He's also a friend of

641
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.800
<v Speaker 1>mine and has appeared on my show Sasquatch Odyssey as

642
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.880
<v Speaker 1>a guest several times over the years. That's an enormous

643
00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:59.000
<v Speaker 1>number of unpaid hours in the dark, and the people

644
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:01.039
<v Speaker 1>who put in those hours are the ones who end

645
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:04.800
<v Speaker 1>up with the real witness relationships. A witness will tell

646
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:07.119
<v Speaker 1>a man at their own kitchen table things they will

647
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:10.159
<v Speaker 1>never type into a form. Carter says he can hear

648
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:12.880
<v Speaker 1>it over the phone with no picture at all, when

649
00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:16.239
<v Speaker 1>somebody has been moved and possibly changed by what they saw.

650
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:20.599
<v Speaker 1>Southeast Missouri has its own scene built around a research

651
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:23.559
<v Speaker 1>group working out of the Cape Girardeau area, and two

652
00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:26.000
<v Speaker 1>of their people went on the record in a documentary

653
00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:29.800
<v Speaker 1>a few years back about the Mark Twain National Forest Country.

654
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:32.880
<v Speaker 1>The first was a man named Matt, who wasn't a

655
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:36.880
<v Speaker 1>believer in any of this beforehand. In twenty eighteen, he

656
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:39.360
<v Speaker 1>was driving and caught movement in the woods, and his

657
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:42.159
<v Speaker 1>brain told him it was a deer. Then it came

658
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:44.280
<v Speaker 1>out and walked across the road in front of him,

659
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:46.880
<v Speaker 1>and it was far bigger than a deer. He said

660
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:49.599
<v Speaker 1>it was brown as a paper sack, with long black hair,

661
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:52.679
<v Speaker 1>and he watched it jump down into a ditch, and

662
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:56.519
<v Speaker 1>he said its feet were jet black. The second was

663
00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:59.280
<v Speaker 1>a man named Bill who camped in an area with

664
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:02.360
<v Speaker 1>a history of reports and expected nothing but a night's sleep.

665
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:05.119
<v Speaker 1>He woke around half past one in the morning to

666
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:09.039
<v Speaker 1>noise owl's going off, and then to something huffing and

667
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:11.800
<v Speaker 1>blowing near his tent. He came up out of the

668
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:14.360
<v Speaker 1>bag and turned around, and what he saw is what

669
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:17.400
<v Speaker 1>put him in that documentary. His line that's stuck with

670
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:20.000
<v Speaker 1>me is that they'll let you have the daytime, but

671
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:22.639
<v Speaker 1>they don't want you out there at night. There's an

672
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:25.480
<v Speaker 1>older account out of Douglas County down in the Ozarks

673
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:28.840
<v Speaker 1>from an October morning in nineteen eighty a nineteen year

674
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:31.480
<v Speaker 1>old hunting on a relative's private ground around eight in

675
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:34.119
<v Speaker 1>the morning. And there's a secondhand story out of Saint

676
00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:37.039
<v Speaker 1>Charles County going back to the seventies from a man

677
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:39.760
<v Speaker 1>whose father was a serious hunter and came in from

678
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:42.679
<v Speaker 1>the field early one night and wouldn't finish the evening,

679
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:45.639
<v Speaker 1>saying somebody big and tall and dark had been out

680
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:48.760
<v Speaker 1>there with him. He'd assumed it was another hunter until

681
00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:51.199
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't, and by his account, he came out of

682
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:55.000
<v Speaker 1>those woods with something behind him. There's organized work going

683
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:58.000
<v Speaker 1>on in the Ozarks now too. My good friend Mary

684
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Ann has run investigations in Missouri with an emphasis on

685
00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:05.440
<v Speaker 1>physical evidence and sample collection, and that's the only approach

686
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:10.039
<v Speaker 1>that will ever settle anything. She organizes an annual conference

687
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:13.199
<v Speaker 1>and camp out down there that puts witnesses and researchers

688
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:16.239
<v Speaker 1>in the same room. I've spoken at that conference for

689
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:18.920
<v Speaker 1>the past two years, and it does more good than

690
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:22.599
<v Speaker 1>people realize, because the hardest problem in this field is

691
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:25.920
<v Speaker 1>that witnesses often think they're the only one. They're never

692
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:30.159
<v Speaker 1>the only one. That's the whole reason I do this, Anne.

693
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:33.519
<v Speaker 1>Missouri has more going for it physically than most people assume.

694
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Two of the largest river systems on the continent meet

695
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:40.639
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of that state, and river corridors are

696
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:45.079
<v Speaker 1>highways for everything that walks. The Mark Twain National Forest

697
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:47.920
<v Speaker 1>is scattered across a million and a half acres in pieces.

698
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:52.000
<v Speaker 1>The ozark uplands are steeper and rougher and emptier than

699
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the postcards suggest, full of hollows and caves and creek

700
00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:59.039
<v Speaker 1>bottoms and stands of timber nobody has walked through in

701
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:02.360
<v Speaker 1>fifty years. There's a deer herd down there that would

702
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:06.599
<v Speaker 1>feed anything, plus hardwood, mast and water everywhere, and a

703
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:09.599
<v Speaker 1>creature moving north and south along the Mississippi bottoms can

704
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:13.639
<v Speaker 1>cover enormous distance in continuous cover while never being more

705
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:16.480
<v Speaker 1>than a few miles from a road and never being

706
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:19.440
<v Speaker 1>seen by anybody who isn't standing in exactly the wrong

707
00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:23.119
<v Speaker 1>place at exactly the right hour. That's what I think

708
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:25.920
<v Speaker 1>happened at the bottom of mars Off Hill, not a

709
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:29.679
<v Speaker 1>resident population on a ridge above a town. Something passing

710
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:32.880
<v Speaker 1>through a corridor in a hot, dry summer, coming down

711
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:35.440
<v Speaker 1>to water and getting caught in the open by two

712
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:37.800
<v Speaker 1>little boys who weren't supposed to be that close to

713
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:40.719
<v Speaker 1>the timber. The rest of what I have came in

714
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:43.480
<v Speaker 1>the mail. Every time we put an episode of this

715
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:46.719
<v Speaker 1>road trip out, people write, and Missouri has produced some

716
00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:49.719
<v Speaker 1>of the heaviest male we've ever gotten. Most of it

717
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:52.719
<v Speaker 1>says the same thing in different words. They never talked

718
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:56.280
<v Speaker 1>about it, or they told one person, got laughed at

719
00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:59.880
<v Speaker 1>and never told anybody again, or they waited until they're

720
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:02.880
<v Speaker 1>was gone because their father wouldn't have wanted it.

721
00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Repeated.

722
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:07.039
<v Speaker 1>People sit on these things for decades, some of them

723
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:09.599
<v Speaker 1>sat on them for fifty years, and a part of

724
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:11.880
<v Speaker 1>the state that had already learned what happens when you

725
00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:15.480
<v Speaker 1>say it out loud. The first is from Jenny. Jenny

726
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:19.039
<v Speaker 1>was seven years old in the summer of nineteen seventy three,

727
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:21.840
<v Speaker 1>a year passed the newspaper frenzy, and right in the

728
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:25.000
<v Speaker 1>stretch when everybody had officially decided the whole thing was

729
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:28.159
<v Speaker 1>kids on a hill. She spent most of that summer

730
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:31.840
<v Speaker 1>at her grandmother's place, an old farmhouse well outside of town,

731
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:34.559
<v Speaker 1>with a creek along the back of the property and

732
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:36.920
<v Speaker 1>timber on the other side of the creek that went

733
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:39.960
<v Speaker 1>on forever as far as a seven year old was concerned.

734
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:44.360
<v Speaker 1>The thing Jenny remembers first isn't the creature. It's the laundry.

735
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:47.679
<v Speaker 1>Her grandmother hung wash on a line that ran from

736
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:49.800
<v Speaker 1>the corner of the house out to a post by

737
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:52.679
<v Speaker 1>the garden, and Jenny's job that summer was to bring

738
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:56.360
<v Speaker 1>it in before dark. She hated it because the line

739
00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:58.679
<v Speaker 1>was closest to the creek, and her grandmother wouldn't turn

740
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:01.320
<v Speaker 1>the porch light on until the wash was in the basket,

741
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:04.280
<v Speaker 1>so there were always a few minutes where Jenny was

742
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:06.079
<v Speaker 1>out at the end of that line, in the blue

743
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:09.159
<v Speaker 1>part of the evening, with the house behind her. She

744
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:13.280
<v Speaker 1>smelled it before anything else happened. The way she describes it,

745
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:15.440
<v Speaker 1>it came in on the air all at once, instead

746
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:19.199
<v Speaker 1>of building, like walking past an open door. She was

747
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:21.920
<v Speaker 1>seven and had no language for it, so what she

748
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:24.599
<v Speaker 1>reached for at the time was that somebody had dumped

749
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:27.760
<v Speaker 1>a deer. Then the sheet moved. There was a sheet

750
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:29.960
<v Speaker 1>on the line about ten feet from her, and it

751
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:33.119
<v Speaker 1>moved the wrong way wind moves a sheet in a

752
00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:36.239
<v Speaker 1>lift and a settle down the whole length of the line.

753
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:38.480
<v Speaker 1>This one moved the way a sheet moves when something

754
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:42.360
<v Speaker 1>on the other side touches it and stops. She didn't run,

755
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:44.880
<v Speaker 1>she says. She stood there with a clothes pin in

756
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:47.119
<v Speaker 1>her hand and looked at the bottom of that sheet

757
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:49.920
<v Speaker 1>where it wasn't quite touching the grass, and there were

758
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:53.400
<v Speaker 1>legs behind it, two of them covered in dark hair.

759
00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:56.920
<v Speaker 1>The legs turned and went toward the creek. Jenny could

760
00:40:56.960 --> 00:40:59.119
<v Speaker 1>hear it going down the bank, and she says, the

761
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:01.079
<v Speaker 1>sound in the water. It wasn't a splash, but a

762
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:03.679
<v Speaker 1>series of long steps, and then it was up the

763
00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:06.719
<v Speaker 1>other side and into the timber. She walked back to

764
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:10.320
<v Speaker 1>the house. She didn't bring the laundry in. Her grandmother

765
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:12.199
<v Speaker 1>took one look at her, then went out on the

766
00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:14.719
<v Speaker 1>porch and stood there a while with her arms folded,

767
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:17.840
<v Speaker 1>and didn't say anything, and then came back in and

768
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:20.960
<v Speaker 1>locked the back door. They didn't lock doors out there.

769
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Jenny had never in her life seen that door locked.

770
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:28.320
<v Speaker 1>Nobody in that house ever discussed it. Her grandmother brought

771
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:30.320
<v Speaker 1>the wash in herself for the rest of the summer,

772
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:33.519
<v Speaker 1>and when Jenny raised it once as a teenager, her

773
00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:36.679
<v Speaker 1>grandmother said that some things you leave alone, and then

774
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:39.960
<v Speaker 1>asked her if she wanted pie. The next one is

775
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:42.199
<v Speaker 1>from Ray, who was a young man in the late

776
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:46.039
<v Speaker 1>seventies working nights. He was driving a river road, the

777
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:48.679
<v Speaker 1>kind that runs between the bluffs and the bottoms, with

778
00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:52.440
<v Speaker 1>almost nothing on it after midnight. He'd driven that stretch

779
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:54.800
<v Speaker 1>several hundred times and could have told you where every

780
00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:58.639
<v Speaker 1>pothole was. It was fall cold enough that he had

781
00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:01.840
<v Speaker 1>the window up. There was fog sitting in the low spots,

782
00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:05.239
<v Speaker 1>the way it does along the Mississippi. In October, he

783
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.360
<v Speaker 1>came around a bend and there was something in the road.

784
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:11.119
<v Speaker 1>It was already crossing when he came around, moving left

785
00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:14.119
<v Speaker 1>to right. It was tall enough that his head lights

786
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:16.800
<v Speaker 1>caught it across the chest instead of across the head.

787
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:20.199
<v Speaker 1>It was dark, and he couldn't tell whether the darkness

788
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:23.000
<v Speaker 1>was hair or just the way a backlit thing looks.

789
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:25.559
<v Speaker 1>And he says, anybody claiming they got a good look

790
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:28.840
<v Speaker 1>at texture at highway speed in fog is telling stories.

791
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:32.039
<v Speaker 1>What he did see, and what he has never stopped

792
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:35.599
<v Speaker 1>seeing is the way it moved. It didn't hurry, and

793
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:37.840
<v Speaker 1>it didn't look at him, and it took the whole

794
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:40.840
<v Speaker 1>width of that road, and what he swears was three steps,

795
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:43.119
<v Speaker 1>and then it went down the bank on the right

796
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:47.400
<v Speaker 1>side and was gone. Ray didn't stop, he says. He

797
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:49.679
<v Speaker 1>thought about stopping for about a mile and a half,

798
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:52.800
<v Speaker 1>then thought better of it and kept going. And at

799
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:54.559
<v Speaker 1>the end of his shift, he sat in his car

800
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:57.199
<v Speaker 1>in the driveway a while before he went in the house.

801
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:01.760
<v Speaker 1>He told only one person he worked with, and that

802
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:04.920
<v Speaker 1>man told him he'd seen a bear. Ray grew up

803
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:08.159
<v Speaker 1>around that river. He'd seen a black bear exactly once

804
00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:10.480
<v Speaker 1>in his life, in a different part of the state.

805
00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:12.760
<v Speaker 1>And what struck him about it was how much of

806
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:16.199
<v Speaker 1>a bear's business gets done with its head down. A

807
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:18.599
<v Speaker 1>bear crossing a road is a low animal with a

808
00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:21.880
<v Speaker 1>rolling gate. What Ray watched go across in front of

809
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:24.440
<v Speaker 1>him was a tall, vertical thing with its head up,

810
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:27.280
<v Speaker 1>covering ground the way a man covers ground when he's

811
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:30.960
<v Speaker 1>late and refuses to run. He said, one more thing.

812
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:34.280
<v Speaker 1>I haven't been able to shake for about a year. Afterward,

813
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:37.599
<v Speaker 1>he drove a different route home, longer by eleven miles,

814
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:40.800
<v Speaker 1>and he never told his wife why. The next account

815
00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:43.320
<v Speaker 1>is from Marla, and hers is the only one in

816
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:46.679
<v Speaker 1>this batch with anything physical in it. Marla and her

817
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:50.800
<v Speaker 1>husband kept hunting dogs, working hounds rather than pets, a

818
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:53.920
<v Speaker 1>kennel of them out behind the house. Anybody who has

819
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:56.239
<v Speaker 1>been around a hound kennel knows the noise is more

820
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:57.199
<v Speaker 1>or less constant.

821
00:43:57.639 --> 00:43:58.800
<v Speaker 2>They talked to each other.

822
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Into raccoons, and to the mail carrier, and to the wind,

823
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:05.039
<v Speaker 1>and to nothing at all. Late spring, and she puts

824
00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:07.039
<v Speaker 1>it in the middle eighties without being able to pin

825
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:10.679
<v Speaker 1>the year, and the kennel went silent. That's what brought

826
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:13.880
<v Speaker 1>her outside, because a silence like that is louder than

827
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:16.679
<v Speaker 1>the noise. She came out on the backstep and the

828
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:19.039
<v Speaker 1>dogs were pressed into the far corner of the run,

829
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:22.760
<v Speaker 1>all of them in a group, and not one making

830
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.480
<v Speaker 1>a sound. The only thing she could hear was one

831
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:28.719
<v Speaker 1>of them breathing. She called out and got no answer.

832
00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:32.360
<v Speaker 1>Then she got the smell. Marla has a farm woman's

833
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:35.119
<v Speaker 1>vocabulary for bad smells, and she used all of it

834
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:38.920
<v Speaker 1>on me. It wasn't carrying, and she knew carrying. It

835
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:41.960
<v Speaker 1>wasn't a skunk, it wasn't the hog operation a few

836
00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:44.719
<v Speaker 1>miles over. It wasn't a dead animal under the floor

837
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:46.519
<v Speaker 1>of an outbuilding, which.

838
00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:47.400
<v Speaker 2>She had also dealt with.

839
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:50.079
<v Speaker 1>The closest she could get was a wet dog that

840
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:52.440
<v Speaker 1>had rolled in something and then been shut in a

841
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:56.119
<v Speaker 1>car in August, and even that wasn't right. She went

842
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:59.039
<v Speaker 1>in and got her husband. He took a light and

843
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:01.440
<v Speaker 1>a rifle and walked the fence line and came back

844
00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:04.480
<v Speaker 1>twenty minutes later with nothing to report except that he'd

845
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:07.079
<v Speaker 1>smelled it too, and that the dogs wouldn't come out

846
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:09.440
<v Speaker 1>of the corner for him either. Stay tuned for more

847
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Backwoods bigfoot stories. We'll be back after these messages. The

848
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:17.960
<v Speaker 1>next morning they found the tracks. There was a low

849
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:20.719
<v Speaker 1>spot along a fence where the ground stayed soft into

850
00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:23.840
<v Speaker 1>the summer, and there were impressions in it. Her husband

851
00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:25.960
<v Speaker 1>put his own boot down next to one, and the

852
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:28.559
<v Speaker 1>impression was longer than his boot by a good margin,

853
00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:32.280
<v Speaker 1>and considerably wider. There were four of them in a line,

854
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:35.159
<v Speaker 1>and the spacing was wrong for a man walking too

855
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:38.719
<v Speaker 1>much distance between them. He stepped it off twice trying

856
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:41.360
<v Speaker 1>to match it, and couldn't do it without lunging. They

857
00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:44.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't cast it. They didn't photograph it. Her husband looked

858
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:47.480
<v Speaker 1>at it, got quiet, and then went and got a

859
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:50.840
<v Speaker 1>shovel and turned the ground over. Marla didn't understand that

860
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:53.639
<v Speaker 1>at the time and asked him about it. He told

861
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:55.280
<v Speaker 1>her that if there was something in the timber, he

862
00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:58.400
<v Speaker 1>didn't want people coming out to look for it, because

863
00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:01.000
<v Speaker 1>men looking for something in the dark with guns are

864
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:04.119
<v Speaker 1>more dangerous than whatever they're looking for. I heard that

865
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:06.840
<v Speaker 1>and thought about Shelby Ward standing in front of reporters

866
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:09.800
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy two, saying he was afraid somebody was

867
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:13.039
<v Speaker 1>going to get shot up on that hill, same instinct,

868
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:17.679
<v Speaker 1>fifteen years apart, two people who never met. Marla's husband

869
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:20.679
<v Speaker 1>has since passed. She said she's telling it now because

870
00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:23.760
<v Speaker 1>there's nobody left for it to embarrass. The next one

871
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:26.599
<v Speaker 1>is from Dean, and Dean is a deer hunter. That

872
00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:29.519
<v Speaker 1>means he has spent hundreds of hours sitting perfectly still

873
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:32.599
<v Speaker 1>in the dark in the woods watching for movement. He

874
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:35.800
<v Speaker 1>has seen coyotes at forty yards. He has watched a

875
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:39.159
<v Speaker 1>bobcat cross a clearing, had a great horned owl come

876
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:41.880
<v Speaker 1>off a limb over his head, had a deer walk

877
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:45.480
<v Speaker 1>under his stand close enough to touch. Dean was in a

878
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:47.880
<v Speaker 1>stand along a fence line on the second morning of

879
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:51.639
<v Speaker 1>a season sometime in the nineties, cold and still dark

880
00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:54.760
<v Speaker 1>in that gray fifteen or twenty minutes before a man

881
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:57.800
<v Speaker 1>can really see color. He'd been up there about half

882
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:00.480
<v Speaker 1>an hour. The first thing he noticed was that the

883
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:03.679
<v Speaker 1>woods were wrong, and he was specific about what he meant.

884
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:08.119
<v Speaker 1>The squirrels had started, and then they stopped. The songbirds

885
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:11.159
<v Speaker 1>that had begun stopped, and it happened in a sequence

886
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:14.159
<v Speaker 1>that moved, starting off to his left and traveling to

887
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:17.519
<v Speaker 1>his right, the way a wave of silence moves ahead

888
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:20.880
<v Speaker 1>of something walking. Then he heard it walking on two feet.

889
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:24.400
<v Speaker 1>He was emphatic with me about that, and his reasoning

890
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:27.760
<v Speaker 1>had nothing to do with counting steps. A four legged

891
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:30.400
<v Speaker 1>animal in leaves makes a sound with a rhythm to it,

892
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:34.000
<v Speaker 1>a kind of soft rolling gallop of noise, even at

893
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:39.119
<v Speaker 1>a walk. What he heard was two impacts, evenly spaced,

894
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:41.639
<v Speaker 1>with a pause between them, long enough that he started

895
00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:44.559
<v Speaker 1>narrating it in his head, the way a man narrates

896
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:47.639
<v Speaker 1>another man coming up on his stand. He assumed it

897
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:50.119
<v Speaker 1>was another hunter. He got ready to say something so

898
00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:52.960
<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't get shot. Then it came out along the

899
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:56.480
<v Speaker 1>fence line sixty or seventy yards off, walking in the

900
00:47:56.519 --> 00:47:59.159
<v Speaker 1>open at the edge of the field. Dean could see

901
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:01.480
<v Speaker 1>the shape of it against the field, which was lighter

902
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:05.199
<v Speaker 1>than the timber. It was tall, and its shoulders were wrong,

903
00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:08.400
<v Speaker 1>that's the word he used, and he couldn't improve on it.

904
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:11.320
<v Speaker 1>The shoulders were too wide for the height, and they

905
00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:13.960
<v Speaker 1>sat too high, so there didn't appear to be much

906
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:18.079
<v Speaker 1>neck involved. It walked the fence line without stopping, went

907
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:20.599
<v Speaker 1>into the timber on the far end, and he never

908
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:23.920
<v Speaker 1>heard it again. Dean sat in that stand until full

909
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:26.960
<v Speaker 1>daylight because he didn't want to climb down. Then he

910
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:30.119
<v Speaker 1>walked the fence line himself and found nothing because the

911
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:33.599
<v Speaker 1>ground was frozen and covered in leaf litter. He hunted

912
00:48:33.639 --> 00:48:36.760
<v Speaker 1>that property another six or seven years. He never saw

913
00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:40.000
<v Speaker 1>it again and never heard anything like it again. The

914
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:42.320
<v Speaker 1>closest he can come to a conclusion is that he

915
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:44.960
<v Speaker 1>saw a person, except there was no reason for a

916
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:47.159
<v Speaker 1>person to be walking a fence line in the dark,

917
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:49.679
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of nowhere, on the opening weekend of

918
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:52.320
<v Speaker 1>a season, with no vehicle anywhere, no.

919
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:53.679
<v Speaker 2>Light, and no dog.

920
00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:57.599
<v Speaker 1>I asked him what I always ask, whether he has

921
00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:00.920
<v Speaker 1>an explanation. He prefers, he said, but he doesn't have one,

922
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:03.360
<v Speaker 1>and he's at peace with that. And then he said

923
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:06.320
<v Speaker 1>the experience didn't turn him into a believer in anything.

924
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:09.159
<v Speaker 1>It took one thing off the list of things he

925
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:12.480
<v Speaker 1>was sure about. The next one is from Colleen, and

926
00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:15.800
<v Speaker 1>I saved hers for this spot on purpose. Colleen was

927
00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:19.039
<v Speaker 1>raising three children in the early two thousands, well out

928
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:21.760
<v Speaker 1>in the country. It was summer and the kids were

929
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:24.199
<v Speaker 1>outside in that stretch of the evening when supper is

930
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:27.320
<v Speaker 1>nearly ready and everybody's being told to stay in the yard.

931
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Colleen was in the kitchen and the window over her

932
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:34.599
<v Speaker 1>sink looked out on the back Her middle child started screaming.

933
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:37.239
<v Speaker 1>She says that as a mother, you develop a whole

934
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:41.000
<v Speaker 1>taxonomy of your children's screams, that most of them are nothing,

935
00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:44.000
<v Speaker 1>and that maybe twice in a childhood you hear the

936
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:46.400
<v Speaker 1>one that puts you through a door before you've decided

937
00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:50.280
<v Speaker 1>to move. This was that one. She was outside before

938
00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:53.719
<v Speaker 1>she registered turning off the burner. All three kids were

939
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:56.360
<v Speaker 1>coming across the yard at a dead run, and the

940
00:49:56.400 --> 00:49:59.440
<v Speaker 1>youngest wasn't screaming at all, which worried her more than

941
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:02.559
<v Speaker 1>the screaming did. They came in around her and got

942
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:05.159
<v Speaker 1>behind her and turned around, and all three of them

943
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:08.920
<v Speaker 1>pointed at the same place along the tree line. Colleen looked,

944
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:12.280
<v Speaker 1>she saw nothing. She stood in her own backyard and

945
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:15.199
<v Speaker 1>looked directly at the place three children were pointing, and

946
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:17.840
<v Speaker 1>she didn't see one thing out of place. Then she

947
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:20.519
<v Speaker 1>smelled it, and she said, she made a sound she

948
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:24.280
<v Speaker 1>has never made before or since. She got the kids

949
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:26.559
<v Speaker 1>inside and locked the door and stood at the window

950
00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:30.320
<v Speaker 1>over the sink. After some period of time, she couldn't estimate.

951
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Something moved back in the timber. It moved inside the

952
00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:37.239
<v Speaker 1>trees rather than coming out of them. She says it

953
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:39.519
<v Speaker 1>was a change in the pattern of the dark rather

954
00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:42.960
<v Speaker 1>than a shape she could describe. Here's what the children said.

955
00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:45.880
<v Speaker 1>The oldest, who was ten, said it was standing at

956
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:48.199
<v Speaker 1>the edge of the trees, that it was as tall

957
00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:50.760
<v Speaker 1>as the doorway, and that it had hair on it.

958
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:54.000
<v Speaker 1>The middle child, who was seven, said it didn't have

959
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:56.920
<v Speaker 1>a face. The youngest, who was four, said nothing at

960
00:50:56.960 --> 00:50:59.440
<v Speaker 1>all the rest of that night, and then at breakfast

961
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:01.960
<v Speaker 1>the next morning, said one word about it, and the

962
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:05.280
<v Speaker 1>word was harry, and then went back to eating. A

963
00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:07.639
<v Speaker 1>seven year old in the early two thousands gave the

964
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:10.760
<v Speaker 1>same description. A fifteen year old girl gave a newspaper

965
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:15.000
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy two, twenty some miles away. What a

966
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.880
<v Speaker 1>child means by it is hair hanging over a head

967
00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:21.440
<v Speaker 1>with no features visible through it and no face is

968
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:24.719
<v Speaker 1>the only way a kid knows to say that. Colleen's

969
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:27.239
<v Speaker 1>husband got home an hour later and did what husbands do,

970
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:30.679
<v Speaker 1>which has walked the tree line with a flashlight. He

971
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:32.760
<v Speaker 1>came back and said there was nothing there and the

972
00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:35.480
<v Speaker 1>kids had spooked each other. She let him have that.

973
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:38.639
<v Speaker 1>She says she has never contradicted him about it in

974
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:41.880
<v Speaker 1>twenty years of marriage and doesn't intend to start. She

975
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:44.519
<v Speaker 1>also told me she hasn't planted anything along that side

976
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:47.519
<v Speaker 1>of the yard since when the kids were small. She

977
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:49.800
<v Speaker 1>moved the swing set to the other side of the house,

978
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:52.800
<v Speaker 1>and she told the children they could play anywhere they

979
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:56.000
<v Speaker 1>wanted except the back fence. The last one before we

980
00:51:56.079 --> 00:51:58.639
<v Speaker 1>get back on the road is from Wes, and Wes

981
00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:01.639
<v Speaker 1>was out on the river. He fishes at night, which

982
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:04.199
<v Speaker 1>is its own culture and its own kind of person.

983
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Night fishing on a big river means a small boat,

984
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:10.440
<v Speaker 1>a lantern or a headlamp, a lot of hours of

985
00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:14.320
<v Speaker 1>very little happening. In a relationship with the dark, most

986
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:17.559
<v Speaker 1>people never develop. Wes has been doing it since he

987
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:19.599
<v Speaker 1>was a teenager. And he told me that the river

988
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:23.239
<v Speaker 1>at night is loud. He rattled off barges and carp jumping,

989
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:27.559
<v Speaker 1>and beaver and trees coming apart in the current. Somewhere upstream.

990
00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:30.280
<v Speaker 1>He knows all of it by sound. He was anchored

991
00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:32.400
<v Speaker 1>in close to a bank where the timber comes right

992
00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:34.840
<v Speaker 1>down to the water, and there's no road behind it

993
00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:38.199
<v Speaker 1>for a good long way. Middle of the night, something

994
00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:40.920
<v Speaker 1>came down the bank into the water. His first thought

995
00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:43.760
<v Speaker 1>was a deer, But a deer entering water makes a

996
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:46.320
<v Speaker 1>lot of noise all at once and then commits, and

997
00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:49.800
<v Speaker 1>this was different. It came in slowly, It stayed in

998
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:52.920
<v Speaker 1>the shallows. It moved along the bank instead of out

999
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:55.360
<v Speaker 1>into the current, and he could hear the water break

1000
00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:59.239
<v Speaker 1>and close around it in a way that suggested legs plural,

1001
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:03.519
<v Speaker 1>moving one at a time, waiting rather than swimming. He

1002
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:06.440
<v Speaker 1>turned his light on it. Wes won't claim he saw

1003
00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:08.880
<v Speaker 1>a monster. What he says is that he saw the

1004
00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:11.679
<v Speaker 1>top half of something standing chest deep about forty feet

1005
00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:14.760
<v Speaker 1>from his boat, that it was dark and wet, that

1006
00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:16.559
<v Speaker 1>there was too much of it above the water for

1007
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:19.159
<v Speaker 1>a deer, and that it didn't run when the light

1008
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:22.360
<v Speaker 1>hit it. Everything on that river runs from a light.

1009
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:23.199
<v Speaker 2>He said.

1010
00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:25.280
<v Speaker 1>It turned its head and he couldn't see a face

1011
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:27.320
<v Speaker 1>in it, and then it went back up the bank

1012
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:29.920
<v Speaker 1>against the current, with the water breaking off it, and

1013
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:33.519
<v Speaker 1>up into the timber. Some period of time later, from

1014
00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:36.559
<v Speaker 1>up in that timber, he heard a knock one hollow

1015
00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:40.760
<v Speaker 1>strike wood on wood, well back from the water. He waited,

1016
00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:44.199
<v Speaker 1>and about a minute later there was another one farther off.

1017
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Wes pulled his anchor and left. He says he didn't

1018
00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:50.559
<v Speaker 1>do it in a panic, that he was deliberate about it,

1019
00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:53.239
<v Speaker 1>that he coiled his line and stowed his rod and

1020
00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:55.880
<v Speaker 1>started his motor and idled out and didn't look back

1021
00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:58.719
<v Speaker 1>at that bank. He has never fished that spot again,

1022
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:01.400
<v Speaker 1>and he has kept night fishing everywhere else on that

1023
00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:03.280
<v Speaker 1>river for twenty years.

1024
00:54:03.880 --> 00:54:05.159
<v Speaker 2>That's where we leave Missouri.

1025
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:08.119
<v Speaker 1>Momo has a particular place in the file for me

1026
00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:11.039
<v Speaker 1>because it's the one case where the whole life cycle

1027
00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:14.199
<v Speaker 1>of an American monster story is visible from end to

1028
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:18.039
<v Speaker 1>end inside of about three weeks. On the eleventh, there

1029
00:54:18.039 --> 00:54:19.840
<v Speaker 1>are two boys and a dog and a yard and

1030
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:23.400
<v Speaker 1>a teenager at a bathroom window. By the fourteenth, there

1031
00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:25.920
<v Speaker 1>are fifty people from a prayer meeting on Allen Street

1032
00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:29.440
<v Speaker 1>and a growl coming down off a hill. By the nineteenth,

1033
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:32.400
<v Speaker 1>the chief of police and twenty men with walkie talkies

1034
00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:35.519
<v Speaker 1>are making three passes over that hill and turning up.

1035
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Two open dog graves.

1036
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:40.519
<v Speaker 1>By the twenty second, there are out of state investigators

1037
00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:44.159
<v Speaker 1>camped in a family's backyard with a tape recorder. Then

1038
00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:47.079
<v Speaker 1>come the wire services, the name, the song on the

1039
00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:50.519
<v Speaker 1>country station over in Bowling Green, the twelve foot creature

1040
00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:53.000
<v Speaker 1>that lifts the back end of a car, and Momo

1041
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Days with the whole town in wigs. It took three

1042
00:54:57.039 --> 00:54:59.199
<v Speaker 1>weeks to get from a girl at a bathroom window

1043
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:03.000
<v Speaker 1>to a novelty record. Underneath all of it, the original

1044
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:06.159
<v Speaker 1>event just sits there, as small and as strange as

1045
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:09.840
<v Speaker 1>it was. On the first afternoon, two boys were screaming

1046
00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:12.519
<v Speaker 1>in a yard. There was a tall, dark shape by

1047
00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:15.039
<v Speaker 1>a tree, with hair over its face and something dead

1048
00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:18.280
<v Speaker 1>under its arm. The family dog came home and threw

1049
00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:20.880
<v Speaker 1>up for hours, and there was a smell in an

1050
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:24.320
<v Speaker 1>abandoned shack. I don't think Marsof Hill had a monster

1051
00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:27.360
<v Speaker 1>living on it, because an animal that size can't hold

1052
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:29.639
<v Speaker 1>a wooded ridge on the edge of a populated town

1053
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:32.599
<v Speaker 1>through a summer of armed searches and leave nothing behind.

1054
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:36.320
<v Speaker 1>The geography doesn't allow it. What I think is that

1055
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:39.360
<v Speaker 1>the river lets something pass through, and that for a

1056
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:42.360
<v Speaker 1>few days in July of nineteen seventy two, a lot

1057
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:45.320
<v Speaker 1>of ordinary people in one small town got to look

1058
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:47.719
<v Speaker 1>at something that doesn't fit in any of the boxes

1059
00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:51.280
<v Speaker 1>we brought with us. Then the newspapers arrived and made

1060
00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:54.920
<v Speaker 1>it silly, and the silliness did what silliness always does.

1061
00:55:55.719 --> 00:55:58.840
<v Speaker 1>It protected the mystery by making sure no serious person

1062
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:02.679
<v Speaker 1>would ever go Look. The kids saw it first. That's

1063
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:05.159
<v Speaker 1>the part I keep coming back to, and it's why

1064
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:08.559
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to make this stop. Nobody believes the kids.

1065
00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:12.559
<v Speaker 1>Nobody ever believes the kids in the Harrison case. The

1066
00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:14.239
<v Speaker 1>town got about a day and a half of that

1067
00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:17.000
<v Speaker 1>before fifty people from a prayer meeting came running down

1068
00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:20.679
<v Speaker 1>Allen Street in the dark, and after that nobody in Louisiana,

1069
00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Missouri thought it was funny for the rest of the month.

1070
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:26.519
<v Speaker 1>Star Hill is still up there, with houses on it

1071
00:56:26.599 --> 00:56:29.239
<v Speaker 1>now and a water tank on top, and a generation

1072
00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:32.760
<v Speaker 1>of kids who never heard the name marsov The scene

1073
00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:35.079
<v Speaker 1>at the bottom of it is still there too. Down

1074
00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:37.679
<v Speaker 1>at the end of Allen Street, where the mode grass

1075
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:41.000
<v Speaker 1>quits and the timber starts, it's the same few feet

1076
00:56:41.039 --> 00:56:43.280
<v Speaker 1>of ground an eight year old boy was standing on

1077
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:46.360
<v Speaker 1>when he started screaming, We're back on the road soon.

1078
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:49.559
<v Speaker 1>With twenty five states in the mirror and twenty five

1079
00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:52.639
<v Speaker 1>to go. The river runs east from here, and where

1080
00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:55.320
<v Speaker 1>the river goes, the stories go with it. And I've

1081
00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:56.679
<v Speaker 1>got to stop in mind on the.

1082
00:56:56.639 --> 00:57:55.000
<v Speaker 3>Other side of that water that I've been saving.

1083
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<v Speaker 1>Did did didn't
