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much for your support. So I'm sure Brett talked about this.

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I think I heard him talk about this the other day.

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The what's his name, Hargender Singh, the truck driver down

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in Florida who had a CDL license to drive a

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big rig, got it from California, got one from Washington State.

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Doesn't really speak any English, can't tell you what road

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sids look like or what they mean. And he was

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on the interstate down in flaw and decided to use

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one of the turn the U turn lanes like you know,

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the for official use only that you know, emergency vehicles

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are supposed to use. And he decided to just hang

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a U turn using that lane to turn around, and

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in doing so, he turns the you know he turns

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the the rig and now he's blocking all of the

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interstate lanes because the trailer when you turn like that right,

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it's now perpendicular to the flow of traffic. And a

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van comes zooming down the highway and plows right into

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it because you don't expect a truck to do that.

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That's why it's illegal. And it killed all three people

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in the van, and they took him back to Florida.

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He's been charged with believe it's reckless or negligent homicide

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or something. There's a development though in this story that

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is disgusting, which is there is now a petition that

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has been launched on his behalf, a petition asking the

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governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis, to be lenient on him,

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like to show mercy and why First off, DeSantis is

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not going to do that. Number one right, but number

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two like, why would you even do this? Why would

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you sign it, let alone rack up nearly three million

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signatures for this guy?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: What are you doing? Everything about this case, writes David

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strom Over at hot air dot com. Everything about this

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case is infuriating. Hargender seeing should never have been in

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America in the first place. He's an illegal alien. Number two,

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he should never have been issued a commercial driver's license,

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but he got two of them from two different states.

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He should never have been hired by any company to drive,

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yet he was. All the people who made this happen

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are going to get off scot free, though not seeing

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that guy, he's probably going to jail to prison right

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as he should. But the people who allowed this to happen,

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that enabled him, right, the people who set the policies

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that sing utilized to get into the country, Those who

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tested his English proficiency found it wanting and then gave

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him a CDL anyway, and the companies that have hired

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him over the last what seven years I think he's

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been in the country. He failed an English language proficiency assessment.

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He could only provide correct responses to two out of

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twelve verbal question He doesn't speak the language, and he

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could only identify correctly one of the four highway traffic signs.

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Singh has lived in the US for seven years. He

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hasn't learned the language, and he hasn't had to, right,

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That's the problem. He hasn't had to even though his

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job required him to be able to read signs and

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follow directions he hasn't had to and why because leftists

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keep repeating the same mantra about refugees and migrants just

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trying to get by. We're told that the rules don't

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apply to them because they are just victims. That's the

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sick logic that gets millions of people to rally behind MS.

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Thirteen and trende Arabah members illegal aliency can do no

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wrong because they're victims. This is what's called toxic empathy.

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According to David Strom, I use the term suicidal empathy,

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but toxic is fine too. Right, This idea and this

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is the core tenet of Marxism, and it just gets

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smuggled in in all these different scenarios, in different situations.

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But it is always oppressor oppressed mindset. There's always a victim.

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And then you just target a particular other category or

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class of people, whether it's the landowners, the wealthy, a

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racial group, whatever. And what it does is it calcifies

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in the brain what's called the tendency for interpersonal victimhood TIV.

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It is an actual psychological personality defect, tendency for interpersonal victimhood.

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And when you start thinking like this, and you start

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thinking in terms that you're the victim. And this does

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replicate at scale. Right, there are all sorts of damaging

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downstream effects of this. For one thing, like you don't

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sympathize with other people who are actually going through some

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terrible thing. Do you ever wonder why the left makes

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these arguments about who's going to clean your toilets if

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we deport all illegal aliens, who's going to clean your toilets?

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Who's going to raise your kids? Right, that's not that's

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not a sympathetic argument because you're you're you're basically saying

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that there's a whole class of people that that's what

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they should be doing. Right, That's that's not sympathetic. But

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they think that they're being sympathetic, but they actually are not. Yeah,

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this guy should not have been here, and there are

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people all along the way that enabled this, and now

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three innocent people are dead in Florida. It's the same

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thing like we just talked about in the last hour

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about crime. These are choices and Donald Trump is showing

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that when you make a different choice, you get different results.

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And the different choice is no, we're actually going to

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enforce our immigration law. No, we're actually going to enforce

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our criminal law. We're going to put more people on

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the streets of the District of Columbia because he can

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do that. I don't know if he can do it

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with these cities he's talking about now, sending them to

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Chicago and stuff, and I don't know if you I

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don't know if you've got that kind of authority. But

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then again, we're buying shares of intel, so I don't

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even know what we're doing anymore. With Like, I'm old

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enough to remember when that was considered to be socialism

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and that was not good, not good. Although it's not

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surprising to me because I recognize Donald Trump is a

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lifelong Democrat, so he has these instincts that tend towards

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that old philosophy of state ownership of things. And yeah,

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I'm not a fan of that. That doesn't mean I

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hate Donald Trump. I'm just saying if this was Joe

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Biden or Barack Hussein Obama, I don't think people would

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be cool with it. Well, I mean leftists would be

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cool with it. But meanwhile, quite the admission from ABC

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News headline, immigrant families fear Trump's deportations as children returned

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to school school, public school. So this is an admission

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right that illegal aliens do carry a cost for public benefits. Right,

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they are accessing taxpayer funded services and such, right, And

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they just you know, admit it, just acknowledge it that

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many of the nation's school districts are returning to the

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classroom with immigrant families. No, no, no, no, illegal immigrant families,

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illegal immigrant families. See, this is how this is what

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they take from you. They take the language. You control,

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the language, you control the debate. That's why they are

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dropping the word illegal. They drop the word alien. They

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tried undocumented, unauthorized, whatever. Now they're just saying immigrant. Now

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they're just lumping all immigrants together, illegal and legal. And

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they do it to opfuskate, to cloud the argument because

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then they can win that argument by playing to your

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suicidal empathy. All right, if you're listening to this show,

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From the text line, here's one from Doug who says

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we are already in a proxy civil war. Half the

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Congress and the mayors of blue cities are welcoming and

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protecting violent illegal immigrants as well as the homegrown violent

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radical elements. Um Let see here. Joseph says, the Trump

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administration just said they're reviewing fifty five million visas. Couple

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that with at least thirty five million illegals, and you

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can safely assume one out of every four people here

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should not be here. No wonder howses cost so much

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and you can't get into the er. This is an

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eight to eight number. I agree with you on the

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renaming of illegal aliens. What's the deal with American born

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jobs reports?

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Speaker 3: Though?

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Speaker 1: What do you mean, what's the deal with American born job? Yeah,

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well that's data. Whenever they put the jobs report out,

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they break it down foreign born and American born, And

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so what we have seen since Trump took office is

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a declining share. It's actually the people who are foreign born,

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their numbers have been dropping as far as employment, and

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American born employment is growing, which is due to deportations

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and also self deportations, right, which is what Mitt Romney

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promoted back in twenty twelve, And he said, like, if

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you enforce the law that's already on the books, as

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Trump is doing, if you enforce the law, then it

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makes it untenable, unappealing, unattractive for people who are here

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illegally to remain here, and they will self deport That's

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what Mitt Romney said. And oh my gosh, like the

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amount of people that went nuts over that like we

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hadn't had to have the national conversation over Mitt Romney

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saying people will self deport. Oh my gosh, bring out

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the fainting couches. But he was right, and there isn't

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anything wrong with that. There isn't. That's why you have law.

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You have these laws so as to know, disincentivize certain behaviors. Otherwise,

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don't have the law. If you're not going to enforce

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this stuff, then just take it all off the books.

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Why even bother having it on the books. Just repeal

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all of the law and just allow people to come

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across the border without even signing the guest book on

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the way in, right, like why bother? And by the way,

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like this is not hyperbole. This is now what we

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have witnessed now thanks to Donald Trump, is that you

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we do have half the country roughly that is advocating

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for open borders. They don't believe anybody should be deported.

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They I mean this guy, what's his name, Abrago Garcia

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that now they just they picked him up, he turned

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himself in, They picked him up. They're going to send

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him to Uganda because they couldn't send him to l Salvador, right,

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because that was where he is from, and uh, now

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they're going to send him to Uganda and they're like,

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you can't send him there, So now they're suing overall

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of that too. But the guy was trafficking people and

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this is their poster child. Which is one of the

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things that's always intrigued me with the left is why

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do they always pick the worst poster children for these

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types of issues. I mean, it's one thing to take

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the wrong side of the issue, and then it's another

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to find like the worst type of an offender in

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that system, in that structure, and then to go to

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bat for that person. It's like the hands up, don't

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shoot Michael Brown Ferguson thing, Like, really, that's the guy

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you chose. The guy went in and robbed the convenience

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store and tried to take a cops gun, Like that's

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the anyway. So many of the nation's school districts are

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now going back to the classroom, and this has gotten

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immigrant families fearful. According to ABC News, they quote Esmeralda Alday,

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former executive director of Dual Language and English as a

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Second Language Migrant Education for the San Antonio Independent School District,

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which is one heck of a title. I don't think

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it fits on a business card. She says. It's coming

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at our families from every angle. It's affecting our families

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from all angles, almost leaving them with no choice but

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to self deport. Yes, right, because the law was put

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on the books in order to make things not comfortable

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for people who are violating the law. And if you

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are violating the law, then you should be worried that

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you are going to be caught and suffer the repercussions

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of that, which is a one way flight back to

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your home country. So you can make arrangements ahead of time,

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Like you can make some plans now and do it

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on your schedule, right, Like you can make sure you

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get everything taken care of and then go back on

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dread dropping their kids off at school. Some won't even

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I want to welcome to the program, bread Wingeable Brett.

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How are you, sir.

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Speaker 2: I'm great. I'm fleeing the uh, I'm fleeing the Beltway.

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We are leaving Washington, d C. And we had an

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incredible day of talking to the people that are making

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policy here at the White House, and it was it

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was it was a really great day, especially on this

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day where we found out that Kilmar only speak Spanish,

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only speak Spanish.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how long has he been in the country, like

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fifteen years or something?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's kind of interesting. It's they took him

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back into custody just in the last hour or so,

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and they wouldn't say where they're taking him. And everybody's

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very upse everybody's upset about that. Pete. Every everybody who

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was at that press conference earlier this morning was very upset.

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And so now we don't know where he is.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, he's not going back to El Salvador, right,

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He's not. We know where he's not going. He's not

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going to l Salvador, right.

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Speaker 2: So with that in mind, we had we had a

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we had a couple of briefings Ron Votello, who is

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his customs in Border Patrol. Uh, he was, he was

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really magnificent. I'm gonna play all this stuff tomorrow because

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we got out of here late because we had the

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South Korean president at the White House, so it tied

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everything up, so we weren't gonna be able to move

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very easily in that regard. But we so Ron Vitello

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and Mike Banks, who is the actual chief of the

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Border Patrol, and man, they are they are so happy

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just to not be getting attacked by by the Bidenistas

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and that sort of stuff. They're happy to be allowed

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to do their job. Pete, I don't understand. I've never

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thought that you should be able to do your job,

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especially if it's national security.

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Speaker 1: Right now. Look, I started, uh started the first hour

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talking about this Ukrainian woman that was murdered on the

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Charlotte light rail line, uh, covering the immigration stuff in

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this hour and in both. The connection with both of

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these topics is what you just said there. It's like

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this lack of focus on your first order, your first priority,

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which is public safety. That's the only reason why we

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seed some liberty to a government. It's so we have

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mutual protection. And if you're if you're not going to

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do that, then there isn't any reason for me to

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be involved in this, in this social contract any longer.

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Speaker 3: It's right.

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Speaker 2: And I was talking when talking to Chief Banks, who

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he's been stationed all over the southwestern part of the

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United States, and he's he's one of those guys where

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you're saying, Okay, this guy lived it, and he lives

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it every day. You know, he knows what's going on.

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And he said, I asked him, how does this grate

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on you when you hear you're not you know what's

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going on in La, what's going on in Baltimore, what's

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going on in Chicago. And he says, people think that

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this is a race issue. This is not a racist

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it's a safety issue. And he said, he said, sixty

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percent of our people in the Border Patrol are Hispanic, right,

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And he says, and he said, he said something like

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I don't remember the exact number. He said, like thirty

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percent that we hire our first generation Americans or have

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come to the United States to become Americans. And he said,

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including my wife who's also a Border Patrol agent and

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was and was from Mexico City. And he says, and

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they try to tell us that we're fascists and we're rats,

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and he's like, nobody, No, none of these people are racists.

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They're just one enforcing the law.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one. It's it's part of the suicidal empathy

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in the Western societies, which is like all other countries

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are allowed to have borders and protect them however they

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see fit, except us.

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Speaker 2: Right exactly. Okay, Now I want you to say this

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to me. Who else did you talk.

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Speaker 1: To well Bred before I let you go? Who else

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did you talk to?

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Speaker 2: Doctor Oz?

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Speaker 1: Really the man behind the curtain.

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Speaker 2: We had a great conversation. He loves the CMS, not

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not not Charlotte Mecklenburg School, but he loves the CMS

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and the and the and the process. You know what.

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He's he's got a crazy idea people. Uh oh, he

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wants to get older people healthy, and he's saying what

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they need to do is go check out with their

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doctors because it's the thing that they're supposed to do,

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so we don't end up blowing up the healthcare system

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because people don't go and get their cell themselves checked out.

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Speaker 3: Is that that's kind of interesting.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that that sounds pretty fascisty right there.

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I don't know. I mean, yeah, I mean this guy

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sounds like as big of a racist monster as the

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border patrol guy.

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Speaker 2: No, No, he's thought, he's actually really incredible, and he's

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he's he's he's just mesmerizing when you talk to him.

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I mean, he's he's got such a passion for people

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being healthy and saving lives and and that sort of stuff.

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And then the pier there resistance Pete Judge shanein.

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Speaker 1: Very cool.

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Speaker 2: So we'll be playing the stuff tomorrow because I am driving,

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I'm speeding back, speeding but I'm driving back from the

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f L Way as quickly as I can because I

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don't want to get contaminated. But it's it was. It

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was a very fullsome number of hours and uh, they

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really gave us their best in so many ways. Uh,

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and so I just wanted to report back and uh,

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you know, just if if you've got any questions, I'll

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take them, Pete.

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Speaker 1: But you know, proof of well, it was I did

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promise proof of life to your audience. So I'm glad you. Uh,

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I'm glad you, uh because I thought I was colonizing

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your show and that that's what you do. So you're

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the colonizer. So wait, I am curious were you Were

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you able to If I had known you were going

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to talk with doctor Oz, I would have I would

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have suggested this before you went to talk with him,

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which is, can you can he changed the acronym instead

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of it being CMS, can it be C M M

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S because that's actually the acronym. There are two m's.

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Speaker 2: You know you're right about that. I start it. I

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think I have his card. I think I can maybe

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reach out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it's just like a text or something like.

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I don't wonder stand why everybody drops one of the m's,

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you know, because it's Medicare and Medicaid.

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Speaker 3: Well is it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess you know what it's. I think it's

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probably because of dogeus.

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Speaker 1: Had to drop a letter you gotta drop. They would

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save on some printing costs, sign printing, sign manufacturing, any

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any of the signs you gotta do. I guess that

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would help. But yeah, for years they call it CMS.

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I've never understood why they why they drop one of

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the m's so opportunity, I guess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to buy a vowel pete.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, no, no, it's consonant, hard consent anyway, it's

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soft consonant or anyway. Bread Winnable travel safe. I will

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keep the seat warm for you. Yes, you're doing a

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great job.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Thanks.

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Speaker 1: Buddy, appreciate it. That's Brett Winnable. I'm keeping his seat warm.

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Do not, don't ask how, but he'll be back tomorrow

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and safe travels to him.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: You hear me talk a lot about incentives, right, Well,

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let's talk about incentive trips, the kind that companies offer

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Visit incentive tripkit dot com because great trips deserve even

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better returns. That was yes, Brett Winterble. This is the

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Brett Winterble Show. I am not Brett Winterble. I was

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just talking with Brett. He's in DC meeting with muckety

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MUCKs pooh bahs if you will of the White House,

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and he will return to the airwaves tomorrow and I

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will go back to my noon to three slot. Let

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me jump over to the phones here and get Ray. Hello, Ray, Ray,

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how you doing?

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Speaker 3: Hey?

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Speaker 1: I'm well, how are you pretty good?

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Speaker 3: I know your Pete. And the previous caller was Brett Winnable.

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But yeah, I wanted to make sure that you know,

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how do you know that was Brett Winnerable and not

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one of your callers that call in under different identity

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sometime and he was maybe changed his political persuasion but

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didn't want people to know it and call in talking

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for the Conservative life Unable.

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Speaker 1: That's a fair question. We UH thoroughly vetted him when

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he called. Uh, and by we I mean Isaac. Isaac

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vetted him when he called. Asked him, you know the

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secret code words and such and he passed, so we

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knew it was Brett. But otherwise very good. It's a

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very good flag to raise. Luckily Isaac was on it. Also,

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we have caller ideas.

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Speaker 3: I was just learned to make sure.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, take care, Ray, I appreciate it. Here is

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a message from russ Uh just spitballing here, Pete. But

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illegal aliens may have gotten the idea that Democrats want

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to give them amnesty and they just need to wait

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it out from you know, like based off of like

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policies that like Los Angeles distributing debit cards to illegals

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who are afraid to go outside due to Trump's fascist

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deportations and such like. That may be that may be

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why they've gotten in their head that they just need

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to hunk her down and wait it out for about

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three and a half more years and then they will

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be allowed to come out of the shadows, as it were. Now,

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I saw this piece at the Charlotte Observer, and then

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there was another one at Enlache Latino andc dot org.

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They apparently both got to sit down interview with Assistant

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Field Office Director Maria Summers from the Immigration Customs Enforcement

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in Charlotte, and there was something interesting here at the.

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Speaker 3: She is.

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Speaker 1: I believe she is a naturalized citizen. She's originally from Mexico.

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To Brett's point, Yeah, she told us she is a

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Mexican of Mexican origin and is a naturalized citizen and

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that she has been working for the AGE for twenty

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three years. Maria Summers. Now that's reported in the En

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Latche Latino, NC dot Org piece by Patricia Ortiz that

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did not make it into the Charlotte Observer article, but

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I think that it probably should have because it's I

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think an important piece of information, particularly when you start

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off the piece by saying, quote, the official leading Immigration

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and Customs enforcement in Charlotte denied that the agency racially

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profiles people. That's how you started the article. So don't

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you think that I think it would be of note

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that she is of Mexican origin herself. No, she's a

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naturalized citizen. She's an immigrant, So that seems to be

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kind of relevant, particularly if you're starting off with this

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denial of an accusation that ICE is racially profiling people,

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and what evidence is there for that. Who is making

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these accusations. Our job is to enforce immigration law, and

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we do it very humanly, she said. Since President Donald

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Trump returned to the White House in January and launched

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a mass deportation campaign, ICE has been more active in Charlotte.

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Increasingly public arrests have led to anguish and backlash. Churches,

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a parent teacher association, an immigrant advocacy group, and others

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have accused the agency of violating people's rights and creating dysfunction.

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Throughout the observers and Lache Latino's hour long conversation with Somers,

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she frequently redirected public criticism of Ice. What does that mean?

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She redirected public criticism. I don't know what that means.

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Then they have her quote people are very defiant. End quote.

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That's it. Now you go to the Lache Latino piece,

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and she says she pointed out that in operations, people

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turn out to be very challenging. Quote. People don't just

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say here, I am please, what can I do? We

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don't always have cooperation, although we also have it in

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some cases. That's another possibility. We have our identification machines

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that we can use. We have, you know, different means

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to do it. However, everything depends on the situation and

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the level of cooperation of the person. Quote. The truth

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is that when we are making an arrest and people

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start running or fighting, many of them say I did

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nothing wrong because they think that being here illegally is

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not doing anything wrong, or because they were allowed to

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stay and be released without any action being taken against them,

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they think they haven't done anything wrong, and then we

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find them they're not very receptive or cooperative. So I'm

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a why guy. I like to ask why, and just

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like with the other question about like why are people

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behaving this way? Why do they think this is a

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good strategy? Well, why do they think that they haven't

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done anything wrong? What would give them that idea? This

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question is not some answerary question here. This is at

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the core of the entire issue. Yet the observer doesn't

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even explore it. They don't report it, they don't This

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isn't even in the observer story, and there's no exploration

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of why, because that's the first thing I would have

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asked her. Why do they think that there's nothing wrong? Oh, well,

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because they haven't. They haven't faced any ramifications for breaking

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the law in the first place, or they've been recruited

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to come and they've been told and sold a bill

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of goods that you can go there and you're not

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going to be deported. Who's spreading those messages? All right?

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That'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much

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