1 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:28,879 Speaker 1: At a book. 2 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 2: If you'd like to be able to listen to the 3 00:01:29,719 --> 00:01:32,680 show without ads and have full access to bonus content, 4 00:01:33,079 --> 00:01:36,319 that's an option. To find out how, please go to 5 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:42,959 Dogmanencounters dot com Forward slash podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so 6 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,120 much for listening to another episode of Dogman Encounters Radio. 7 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,079 Really appreciate you joining us. On last week's show, we 8 00:01:50,159 --> 00:01:52,799 had Phoenix come on and talk about several of the 9 00:01:52,879 --> 00:01:56,959 dogman encounters he's had, most notably an encounter he had 10 00:01:56,959 --> 00:01:59,799 when he was eleven when he was home alone. Unfortunately 11 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,599 one night and between four and five am, unfortunately, a 12 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,920 dog man came paying him a visit. He and his family, 13 00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:13,159 they call them booger bears. But to a little boy 14 00:02:13,319 --> 00:02:16,240 like that, it's just a monster. You can't tell him 15 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,719 it's anything else. Well, we ran out of time on 16 00:02:19,719 --> 00:02:22,800 that show last week, so I wasn't able to ask 17 00:02:22,879 --> 00:02:26,360 him questions, and he still had experiences that he wasn't 18 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,680 able to share. Ran out of time. Luckily, he's agreed 19 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,759 to come back for a part too here tonight and 20 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,039 share those other experiences with you and give me a 21 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,879 chance to ask him a bunch of questions. And of course, 22 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,319 if you're in the live chat and have questions for him. 23 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,199 He's ready to answer your questions as well well, without 24 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,879 any further Ado, let's bring him in here now. Phoenix, 25 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:50,360 thanks so much for coming back. 26 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,759 Speaker 1: I think it's good to be back. 27 00:02:55,319 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: Well, it's great having you, it really is, Phoenix. I 28 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,879 guess right off the top, if you can just chair 29 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,039 the other experiences that you've had with dog Men, and 30 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,159 then after you do that, that's what I'm going to 31 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:08,639 dive into my questions for you. 32 00:03:09,719 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: Okay. So, like I said, I think the last thing 33 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:22,520 we mentioned was the furnace outside in the back, and 34 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:27,599 that was in twenty fifteen, and things were relatively quiet, 35 00:03:27,719 --> 00:03:36,520 if memory serves correct, until about twenty twenty two. I 36 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,840 was in a party chat on PlayStation with one of 37 00:03:40,879 --> 00:03:46,680 my friends and a cousin, and I was heating up 38 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:55,800 my leftover out back steakhouse. It was the onion bloom 39 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,360 thing and it was in the air fier and I 40 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,240 was just waiting for to heat up. And I have 41 00:04:01,319 --> 00:04:05,039 a tendency to pace when I'm just in a party 42 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,319 chat like that, but not actually on a game, and 43 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,639 so I was pacing in the dining room between the 44 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,399 table and the window in the back, which is facing 45 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:25,560 the woods, and all of a sudden, as I'm you know, 46 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:33,279 pacing and standing around waiting for my dinner, I heard 47 00:04:34,759 --> 00:04:38,279 what sounded like a roar. But the thing was is 48 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:42,279 it was it felt like it was so loud that 49 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:50,079 it kind of vibrated through my chest and I thought 50 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,360 maybe I had somehow gotten disconnected and it was something 51 00:04:53,360 --> 00:05:00,160 from the game. But that's when both my friends and 52 00:05:00,199 --> 00:05:07,959 cousin we're asking what that was. And so sitting there, 53 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:13,040 you know, like, oh, you heard that, So that wasn't 54 00:05:13,079 --> 00:05:22,360 from the game, no, they said, And I didn't actually 55 00:05:22,439 --> 00:05:25,839 see anything. I looked out the window and uh, these 56 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:29,680 these were lace curtains. So I mean, it's not like 57 00:05:29,759 --> 00:05:37,120 I could have just remained hidden, but I didn't see 58 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:46,120 anything at that point, and I didn't have anything else 59 00:05:46,319 --> 00:05:50,959 strange happened that night. Although I was a little shaken 60 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,839 on that because I had no idea what that was. 61 00:05:58,079 --> 00:06:05,399 I think the next thing that happened may have been 62 00:06:05,879 --> 00:06:11,279 the time where I was sitting out on the front 63 00:06:11,319 --> 00:06:21,319 porch and I was on a mobile game. And I 64 00:06:21,319 --> 00:06:23,600 feel like I talked about this in the last episode, 65 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:33,639 but I was just sitting there and something walked and 66 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,759 hearing the footsteps, it sounded like it was walking with 67 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,319 two legs as opposed to four, and they were very 68 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:47,680 long strides. And as I'm sitting there, I'm kind of listening, 69 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,720 and I hear it walk past the porch that I 70 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:55,560 was on, It goes down, crosses the road. I hear 71 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:01,839 the crunch of the gravel, and the dumpster lid opens 72 00:07:01,959 --> 00:07:07,040 and then closes, and then it walks back up. And 73 00:07:07,079 --> 00:07:09,680 as I'm sitting there and listening because now it has 74 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:17,360 my attention because there shouldn't be anyone there, and when 75 00:07:17,399 --> 00:07:21,519 it gets parallel to me, it starts doing the heavy breathing, 76 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,319 very very reminiscent of what I heard when I was eleven. 77 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:35,800 And as far as that goes, I saw the silhouette 78 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,839 of it because there was a light source behind it, 79 00:07:37,879 --> 00:07:39,639 but as far as that part of the yard it 80 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:46,560 was completely dark, and I only saw the eyes. They 81 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,319 were glowing like a bluish green, with like an amber 82 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:56,560 tent to it. And the thing about that porch is 83 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,839 it comes up about six feet off the ground and 84 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,399 I am about five eight, and whatever that was was 85 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:16,920 almost eye level with me from that high and I 86 00:08:16,959 --> 00:08:21,879 collected my things and from my little table and went inside. 87 00:08:22,759 --> 00:08:26,800 That's when I got in touch with my ex, who 88 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:31,120 was away with a friend at a birthday party, and 89 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:36,720 I told him that, you know, what had happened just then, 90 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:42,679 and we decided I should call the police. We had 91 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:51,039 a sheriff's deputy come out, and after he came out, 92 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,879 it took him like maybe half an hour to get there, 93 00:08:56,159 --> 00:08:59,679 and the whole time I was I just felt really 94 00:08:59,759 --> 00:09:05,320 un comfortable because of that. But when he got there, 95 00:09:05,639 --> 00:09:10,919 he walked around the property, walked around the campground and 96 00:09:12,399 --> 00:09:18,399 the store, which was the business that my ex's family has, 97 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:25,039 and he wasn't really looking for like any prince or anything. 98 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:31,559 But as I was following him with his flashlight, I 99 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:40,480 didn't see any prince. But once he got around to 100 00:09:40,519 --> 00:09:48,919 the side of the house where it had walked, I 101 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:55,120 declined to go any further towards the woods because this thing, 102 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:04,600 like I said, was apparently very lard and from the silhouette, 103 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,799 it looked like it had those big pointy ears that 104 00:10:11,759 --> 00:10:15,320 had they not been so elongated and pointed like that, 105 00:10:15,799 --> 00:10:18,039 I would have maybe considered that was a bear, But 106 00:10:18,159 --> 00:10:23,200 I I don't think I could rightly consider it to 107 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:30,399 be a bear. Because of those ears and the way 108 00:10:30,519 --> 00:10:35,840 the eyes just seemed to glow like that without any 109 00:10:36,279 --> 00:10:40,639 light source actually hitting them that I could tell. But 110 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:54,879 after he left, it just felt very like, very tense. 111 00:10:55,200 --> 00:11:04,120 It's a difficult sensation to describe. I would almost describe 112 00:11:04,159 --> 00:11:09,200 it like a kind of a pressure, like an external 113 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,000 pressure on the outside of the body. But that's all 114 00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:19,080 I could describe it with of how I felt After 115 00:11:19,399 --> 00:11:29,399 that sheriff deputy left and that night I loaded up 116 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,120 the shotgun, went upstairs to the office and slept in 117 00:11:32,159 --> 00:11:44,240 the office computer chair next to that shotgun. And probably 118 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,639 it wasn't the next day, but it wasn't more than 119 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:56,919 a week. I think I was coming home from work 120 00:11:59,639 --> 00:12:02,279 and as I pulled up, I could see the door. 121 00:12:02,519 --> 00:12:07,200 The back door was just about ripped off the hinges. 122 00:12:07,799 --> 00:12:11,600 It was just hanging by the lower hinge. And we 123 00:12:12,799 --> 00:12:22,840 did call the conservation department out and when the when 124 00:12:22,879 --> 00:12:27,399 the conservation officer came out, he assessed the damage on 125 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:34,120 the door, and we asked him, you know, what do 126 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,840 we do about this bear that tried to get into 127 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:44,559 the house. And he said, well, there are some very 128 00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:50,679 large claw marks on the door, but they're not consistent 129 00:12:50,799 --> 00:12:53,919 with a bear, And at that point we're like, okay, 130 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:59,559 maybe it's Mittens out Mittens is the mountain lion that 131 00:13:00,879 --> 00:13:05,440 frequented our area, and that's just the name that I 132 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:12,120 gave it. But when I brought this up, he was like, 133 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:16,679 this is definitely not a big cat. So at this 134 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,960 point my ex husband and I looked at each other 135 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:24,440 in a kind of both shock and amusement, because like, what, 136 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,759 what do you mean? This isn't a cat, but it's 137 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:32,240 not consistent with a bear. And so then my ex asked, 138 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:38,720 you think it's a person. He said absolutely not. So 139 00:13:39,159 --> 00:13:44,440 we were questioning what what else could it be? And 140 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:53,080 the only thing he said after that was, we don't 141 00:13:53,159 --> 00:13:58,159 know what it could be, so we're just going to 142 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:03,440 have to go with bear. And he left some rubber 143 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,399 shotgun shells if we needed them, not that I needed them. 144 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:20,000 I had magnum shot slugs for the shotgun. So and 145 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:31,279 after that, for about maybe a week or two, every night, 146 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:38,200 from maybe one in the morning to three in the morning, 147 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,480 there was a helicopter that would fly around our area 148 00:14:44,679 --> 00:14:46,960 and at first, you know, I thought maybe it was 149 00:14:47,039 --> 00:14:54,759 just like the medavac chopper from the hospital, because they 150 00:14:54,759 --> 00:14:59,039 occasionally would fly over, and I just happened to be 151 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:04,200 up late enough one night that I was out on 152 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,840 the porch and it flew by, but I could see 153 00:15:08,919 --> 00:15:16,519 that it was using a search light, and I thought 154 00:15:16,519 --> 00:15:21,080 that was really strange, and so every time I would 155 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,159 hear it after that, just out of curiosity, I would 156 00:15:24,159 --> 00:15:29,360 get up and go and look, and every time for 157 00:15:29,639 --> 00:15:35,279 that about two weeks, it was a helicopter flying around 158 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:38,879 with a searchlight around the woods and it was flying 159 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:43,919 fairly low, but it's like they were looking for something. 160 00:15:44,039 --> 00:15:48,360 And I had no idea who that would be, because 161 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:56,240 it wouldn't make sense. I didn't think for like conservation 162 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,600 department to send someone out looking for something for like 163 00:15:59,679 --> 00:16:04,399 a bay, especially in that area. And I don't think 164 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:10,000 there was like any escape convicts or anything. But I 165 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:22,559 just thought that was extremely odd. And as far as 166 00:16:23,879 --> 00:16:39,679 the other incidents go, there's there was a storm and 167 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:48,759 so the storm blew over a half of a tree. 168 00:16:50,159 --> 00:16:53,679 It's kind of was kind of growing up in. It 169 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:57,080 was not growing up in, but it was. The deck 170 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,759 was built around the tree, so it was basically part 171 00:16:59,799 --> 00:17:05,519 of the deck which was the neighbor's house now our driveway. 172 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:10,359 The way it worked was. It was on the other 173 00:17:10,519 --> 00:17:17,880 side of the cabin where they lived, and it would 174 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,480 just lead up to the back of our house to 175 00:17:20,519 --> 00:17:26,079 the back door under the car port. Well, this tree 176 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:35,240 had been partially blown over, but there was one big, 177 00:17:35,319 --> 00:17:40,039 long branch that was the only thing that was blocking 178 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,759 the car from getting out. When I noticed that it 179 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,720 was blocking my way out, since I did have to 180 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:54,599 work in the morning, I was like, well, we need 181 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:59,720 to get this taken care of so I can get 182 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,680 to work in the morning. And my ex came out 183 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,160 there with me and looked at it, and he was like, 184 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,759 all right, well, just give me about an hour to 185 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:14,480 finish this movie, because he was streaming on discord with 186 00:18:14,599 --> 00:18:22,359 a few friends watching the movie together. And so I 187 00:18:22,519 --> 00:18:26,839 go back in continued doing whatever I was doing, and 188 00:18:27,079 --> 00:18:31,000 once he was done with his movie, we came back out. 189 00:18:32,279 --> 00:18:36,240 He went and got the chainsaw. We met up at 190 00:18:36,279 --> 00:18:46,200 the tree and that big branch was gone, and I 191 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:51,400 looked at where the branch had had been on the tree, 192 00:18:51,519 --> 00:18:54,599 and it looked like it hadn't been broken and twisted off, 193 00:18:57,319 --> 00:19:04,680 and I wasn't really sure what to make of that, 194 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:12,000 and my my ex tried to rationalize that it must 195 00:19:12,039 --> 00:19:15,440 have been one of the neighbors who came out and 196 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,720 got rid of it, and I was like, well, they 197 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,880 didn't use a chainsaw. We would have heard that. And 198 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,200 I said that, you know, we both tried to break 199 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:31,319 it with our combined strength, and it was too strong 200 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:36,000 to break. It's too big, and so I was like, 201 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,160 it couldn't have been a neighbor because they wouldn't have 202 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,359 been able to break it either, and they used no tools, 203 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:49,839 and the way it's broken indicates that it was just 204 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:55,319 brute forced off off of the main trunk. He would 205 00:19:55,400 --> 00:20:04,079 not hear any any other explanation, but I tried to 206 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,480 reason with him that, you know, even even if someone 207 00:20:08,519 --> 00:20:12,160 were to have passed by, it would have been also 208 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,680 at that point too dark for them to even notice it, 209 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:20,200 and that if they did, we would have heard them. 210 00:20:20,279 --> 00:20:27,240 We heard nothing, and he was just adamant that someone 211 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:36,519 that lived nearby had come and removed that branch. And 212 00:20:36,599 --> 00:20:42,680 as far as anything else, I don't really have anything 213 00:20:42,759 --> 00:20:49,200 of note, except for one evening after I'd gotten off 214 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:55,519 of work. I usually got off at about four unless 215 00:20:55,559 --> 00:21:06,279 I stayed late, which would have been about six because 216 00:21:06,279 --> 00:21:08,400 the drive through at the bank that I worked at 217 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,839 at the time was open until six, so either either 218 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,559 I was coming home late from work or I had 219 00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:20,319 gone grocery shopping, and either way, it was dusk it 220 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,839 was starting to lose light. But the only other thing 221 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,599 that I can say that I may have seen is 222 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,960 on my way home on the road out in the country, 223 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,680 I did see something as I was coming down a hill, 224 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,720 and at first I did think bayre But the way 225 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:53,720 it stood so tall and moved down the embankment so 226 00:21:54,039 --> 00:22:02,319 fast and seemingly on two feet, where it disappeared into 227 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:09,079 the really tall underbrush before going into the woods, it 228 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:16,160 kind of did resemble that. But as far as what 229 00:22:16,319 --> 00:22:20,640 I've experienced, that would pretty much cover that. 230 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 2: Well a lot of experiences, especially considering how many encounters 231 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,720 you've had, Phoenix. How long did you know about me 232 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,559 before you decided to contact me. 233 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: After the incident in twenty two where I heard the 234 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,680 breathing while I was on the porch and saw the silhouette, 235 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,400 I started researching into what that could have possibly been 236 00:22:51,599 --> 00:22:57,599 because I had no logical explanations, and given the experience 237 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,240 I had when I was eleven, I wanted answers and 238 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,799 I could think of nothing logically, so I started to 239 00:23:04,839 --> 00:23:12,640 expand my search and eventually came across your show as 240 00:23:12,839 --> 00:23:19,920 well as other resources pointing to the dog Man. And 241 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,599 I'll say, initially I wrote it off, but I did 242 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:29,440 continue to listen to your show just because I like 243 00:23:29,559 --> 00:23:38,799 to hear these experiences. But so I would say, since 244 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,359 about twenty twenty two is when I first started, well, 245 00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:48,200 so listening to your show about three years. 246 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 2: Then, well, if you'd had all these experiences, how could 247 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,000 you write it off? 248 00:23:55,200 --> 00:24:05,039 Speaker 1: Well, because since I hadn't seen like up close and 249 00:24:06,039 --> 00:24:09,920 where they're close enough where I couldn't deny what it was, 250 00:24:13,319 --> 00:24:19,240 I think that would be why, Because yes, I saw 251 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,920 what the silhouette looked like, I saw what the shadow 252 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:28,319 looked like, but I didn't actually see up close without 253 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:34,839 any possible other explanation. I mean, not that there is 254 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:40,880 really much explanation for the things that I saw, which 255 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:46,880 is what led me on that search. But I think 256 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,440 that is the big reason why, especially for so long 257 00:24:51,519 --> 00:24:59,880 that I wrote it off as well. Typical response would 258 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:04,079 be oh, that's a bear, No, I don't think so. 259 00:25:05,559 --> 00:25:14,720 And having reflected on them for a bit, it was 260 00:25:14,759 --> 00:25:21,119 when I decided to finally contact you because I was 261 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:26,559 kind of hoping we could, I don't know, at least 262 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:29,119 me share the story, maybe gain some info out of it, 263 00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:31,640 some insight. 264 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,759 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that was a compensation device, trying to write 265 00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:39,480 it off, even though you'd seen the silhouette that one 266 00:25:39,599 --> 00:25:42,480 night and you saw the shadow on your sister's window. 267 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,920 I can understand why you would do that, because the 268 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,880 world's a lot more comfortable of a place. It's a 269 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,079 safer place if you can somehow convince yourself, yeah, these 270 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,720 things aren't really out there. It was just my eyes 271 00:25:54,759 --> 00:25:57,160 playing tricks on me. But I think deep down you 272 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,279 knew exactly what you were dealing with. And again I 273 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,160 understand it, but I think that's why you did that. 274 00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:06,119 You think I'm on the right track here, Do you 275 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:06,759 think I won't? 276 00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: I think so. 277 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, that would make sense, It really would. And 278 00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:15,240 Phoenix being a kid is hard enough. Did you suffer 279 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,200 from many behavioral issues or other problems after you had 280 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:24,000 that really frightening experience in the middle of the night. 281 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: Now, I wouldn't say I would. I was a relatively 282 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:41,680 good kid, But aside from just not going on those 283 00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:47,440 hikes with my dogs for a few months now, I 284 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,799 don't think I really had anything except for like I 285 00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:59,119 mentioned before, I really you do not care to go camping, 286 00:26:59,599 --> 00:27:04,799 especially anywhere that is more remote. 287 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,039 Speaker 2: Well, that's totally understandable. It's one thing after having one 288 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,799 encounter to try to bring yourself to do something like that. 289 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,839 But you have a history of encounters with these things. 290 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,720 I can only imagine how difficult it's been to come 291 00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:20,759 to terms with all that. I mean, it's just every 292 00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:24,079 time you turned around, it was reinforced that these things 293 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:31,039 are out there. Wow, that's not good. The radio interference, Yeah, 294 00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:33,680 I think someone in the area is using a non 295 00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:37,599 FCC compliant radio that's way too powerful and it is 296 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,119 bleeding over into my equipment. So I apologize for any 297 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,799 of that feedback that we get or the buzz, but 298 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,680 we'll sol drawn and try to keep on going. But 299 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,319 it's one thing to hear your parents tell you that 300 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,200 booger bears are actually out there, but seeing them that's 301 00:27:56,279 --> 00:28:00,279 totally different after you realize one was definitely out there. 302 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,440 I even night when you were eleven and that one 303 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,440 tormented you. Did you ever go outside alone again after 304 00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:09,279 that point? 305 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:21,799 Speaker 1: Or yeah, ah, I did, but it was definitely a 306 00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:26,200 good A good little while before. Uh, say, for example, 307 00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:29,599 I would, uh, you know, take the trash out after dark. 308 00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:37,000 And then when if I were to you know, walk anywhere, 309 00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:42,240 say to my aunt's house or anything like that, I 310 00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:44,599 made sure to always have one of the dogs with me. 311 00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, whatever you can do to make yourself feel 312 00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:52,640 comfortable by all means, I'm glad you did that. Yeah, 313 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,000 whatever it takes. Like I said, being a kid, it's 314 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,480 hard enough you have all these fears, some are justified, 315 00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:01,559 some aren't. But when you have this thrend to the mix, 316 00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:04,359 that's just not right. No kids should have to deal 317 00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:09,200 with that. They really shouldn't. It's also hard enough to 318 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,160 wrap your mind around the idea of how you could 319 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,559 possibly have one dog mean an encounter. But in your case, 320 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,200 you've had a ton of them. Do you think there's 321 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,200 something behind that, the fact you've had so many, or 322 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:21,720 do you think it's just dumb luck. 323 00:29:25,759 --> 00:29:34,599 Speaker 1: I question that. Actually, I've noted, as you know, listening 324 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:43,559 to your show, it does seem to target specific people. 325 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,559 I don't know if it if they seem to just 326 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:57,400 like to go after more spiritual people were not, but 327 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:08,319 I do seem to notice a trend that they do 328 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:13,599 typically go after Christians, but or at least that's what 329 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,400 I've gathered so far. And now, mind you, I haven't 330 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,680 gotten completely caught up with all of your episodes yet, 331 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:28,240 but that is just the trend I've noticed. No, I 332 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:33,680 am not Christian, but I am more on the spiritual side. 333 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:39,000 But it's just one thing that I've noted. 334 00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 2: It seems like there is some sort of a religious 335 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,880 element to these guys, at least some of them. Well, 336 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,279 actually quite a few encounters when we get down to it, 337 00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:54,279 But there have been plenty of atheists who have seen 338 00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:56,920 these things too, So I'm not really sure what to 339 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,319 make of that. There's so many things to this old 340 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,000 dogmenon that it's just really hard to know what to 341 00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:06,680 think about it. But that's just how it is. Do 342 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,920 you think that the same dog man has been present 343 00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:12,000 and involved every time you've had all these encounters, or 344 00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:13,960 do you think we're talking about different ones. 345 00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: I would have to say that I think it would 346 00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:28,880 be different ones, just for this whole reason of you know, 347 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,680 the one when I was eleven that was in Mississippi 348 00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:38,039 and the other one would have been in Missouri. 349 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,759 Speaker 2: Well, I can appreciate you feeling that way because of 350 00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:45,000 that fact, but I mean, there are people who have 351 00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:48,799 been on vacation thousands of miles away from their homes. 352 00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:51,039 They have a dog me in the counter. It shakes 353 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:53,480 them up, so they decide to fly home the next day, 354 00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:56,680 and that next morning, that next afternoon they go out 355 00:31:56,759 --> 00:31:59,200 back behind their house and have an encounter with the 356 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,039 exact same dog man. So yeah, you never really know. 357 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,079 It's entirely possible. And that's just another thing it's so 358 00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:08,400 hard to wrap your mind around. I mean, there's so 359 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,960 many credible eyewitnesses who report things that point sallely towards 360 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,279 these things being either demonic entities or some type of 361 00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:21,640 evil entities. But then again, there are other credible eyewitnesses, 362 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,319 quite a few of them who report seeing these things 363 00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:27,359 do that point sallely towards them being nothing more special 364 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,000 than flesh and blood creatures that just try to make 365 00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:34,680 a living out there in the woods. So maybe it's 366 00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:38,559 a case where some dog men are flesh and blood 367 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,319 just normal creatures, and others or supernatural beings from the ether. 368 00:32:43,079 --> 00:32:47,519 Maybe some are made in a test tube. But yeah, 369 00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:49,440 it's really hard to know. It's hard to know what 370 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,279 to think about that. 371 00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: Well, I have my own theory on that. Actually if 372 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:07,880 you're aware of the fae. I have a theory that 373 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,440 kind of ties in with the missing four four one 374 00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:19,599 one cases. But uh, what's it called? Tirnanogue also known 375 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,799 as the other World or commonly referred to as the 376 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:29,039 Fay Wild. There is a bit of lore regarding that 377 00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:35,599 area where it is said if a human ends up 378 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:41,960 in that area, they can, if they cannot control their emotions, 379 00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:52,079 can be turned into beasts. And with so many people 380 00:33:52,160 --> 00:34:01,680 disappearing and no traces and under strange circumstances, I mean, yeah, 381 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,000 it kind of does sound like that could be, you know, 382 00:34:05,079 --> 00:34:15,880 some people falling into say a portal or something. Maybe 383 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:26,199 they're not all formerly human, but I think that's a possibility. 384 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really hard to know what to think, and 385 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,400 there's so many things about this where we're never going 386 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,880 to know, so all we can do is guess when 387 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,800 it comes to things like that. But yeah, like I said, 388 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,679 there are tons and tons of very credible eyewitnesses or 389 00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:46,280 reports seeing them step out of portals and they witness 390 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,480 other things that point soundly towards them having abilities that 391 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,320 are well above and beyond what just a normal animal 392 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,360 would be able to do or have. So yeah, it's 393 00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:01,719 something else. Have you ever played with the Ouiji board Phoenix? 394 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:14,800 Speaker 1: I'd probably say yes, I think, or at least was 395 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,079 there when it was played with. 396 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 2: So you never had your hands on the board or 397 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:26,840 held hands with the people using it. No, okay, that's good. 398 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,599 Hate the idea that you're actually there. It might have 399 00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:35,920 taken something home with you, but wow, yes's There's definitely 400 00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:38,519 seems to be a connection between Oigi boards and a 401 00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:42,119 lot of eyewitnesses because a lot of eyewitnesses have played 402 00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:45,559 with them. So it does make you wonder. Do you 403 00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:48,320 think the reason why that helicopter flew of your property 404 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,119 acting strangely the way it did was due to you 405 00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:54,920 contacting the conservation officer and having them come out, or 406 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,599 do you think it's due to some other reason? 407 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: Well being the Like I said, I don't recall any 408 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:11,920 escaped convicts being in the area, and this being almost 409 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:18,400 immediately after that gentlemen came out to assess things for us. 410 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,039 I would have to say that they were looking for something. 411 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:31,559 That would be I wouldn't know, but someone was looking 412 00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:33,840 for something most assuredly. 413 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,599 Speaker 2: Well, I'd say they were. Yeah, that's a given given 414 00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:44,440 their behavior, So yeah, they probably are connected. Were you 415 00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:48,480 raised to believe that cryptids didn't exist or were your 416 00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:52,119 parents open minded about them being around? And it's a 417 00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:54,960 two part question. Did they ever talk about things like. 418 00:36:54,920 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: That with you? You know, not really No, it's it's not 419 00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:12,280 something that we really believed in. I think we we 420 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:19,840 entertained the idea at times, but when all was said 421 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:26,920 and done, they were simply like, you know, well, if 422 00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:34,360 these things existed, then more people would have h for example, 423 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:41,679 pictures or video. And I mean phone camera's not going 424 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,440 to do that good. Not all of us run around 425 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:44,800 with three thousand dollars cameras. 426 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 2: So yeah, no doubt. 427 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 1: As So yeah no. And and the thing is is, 428 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,440 uh my, my mom even has a couple of friends 429 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:07,480 who have said that they have seen several dog men. 430 00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:12,760 They went on ah, some sort of camping trip, I 431 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:18,239 think is the story that I remember, and they were 432 00:38:18,519 --> 00:38:23,320 across the It was pretty wide creek from what I 433 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:31,199 heard described, but they said that a couple of them 434 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,239 stood on their hind legs and looked at them and 435 00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:41,400 they felt like they were menacing. And I don't remember 436 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,559 these friends names, but I wish I could get a 437 00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:44,119 hold of them. 438 00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:49,280 Speaker 2: Well, you'll have that sometimes. 439 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:58,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, but she she doesn't necessarily believe in those things 440 00:38:58,599 --> 00:39:06,320 because we would have confirmed that they exist by now. 441 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,039 Speaker 2: Well, there are a lot of things that are out 442 00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:13,519 there that we don't know about that aren't officially considered 443 00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:17,840 to be extant. So that's a pretty flawed way of thinking. 444 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:24,599 Speaker 1: That's true. And I've tried to tell her that, but ah, 445 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,199 she wouldn't budge. 446 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, some people have opinions that definitely aren't based 447 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,559 in fact. I say, she's definitely one of them. For me, 448 00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:37,760 there's something about your second encounter that's got this extra 449 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,599 creep factor to it. One of the big biggest factors 450 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,119 in children feeling secure is or believe that their parents 451 00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:51,440 can protect them from just about anything. Did that experience 452 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,039 blow any sense of security that you had out of 453 00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:58,159 the water or was your sense of security unaffected. 454 00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: My sense of security was definitely affected, I would say, because, 455 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,960 like I said, I was always at home alone in 456 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,639 the morning because they had to get up and go 457 00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:18,400 to work and drop off my siblings, so I was 458 00:40:18,679 --> 00:40:25,599 totally alone. And so actually for quite a while afterward, 459 00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:29,840 when I would wake up in the morning, I just 460 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:38,239 had this intense anxiety because of that experience, and I 461 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,519 knew that there was no one there to help me 462 00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:46,199 because they were gone. They were at work or on 463 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,840 their way to work. And you know, back then cell 464 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:56,639 phones weren't widely in use. They had one, but a 465 00:40:56,639 --> 00:40:59,840 lot of the areas that they drove through to get 466 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:05,719 to work because my stepdad was a farmer and mom 467 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:12,559 worked in a couple of towns away, and it was 468 00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:16,239 a lot of country, back, roady areas that she would 469 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,639 go to u just because it was quicker from our location. 470 00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:27,960 But there wasn't really any way for me to reach them, 471 00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:32,239 typically because they were out in the middle of nowhere, 472 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,559 and so really the only the only person I had 473 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:44,440 in close proximity was my great grandfather and the other 474 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,599 neighbor who lived nearby. 475 00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:52,800 Speaker 2: Well, poor little guy. That's horrible. I'm glad your grandpa 476 00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:56,960 was right there next door. But still, I mean, if 477 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,639 you have something that's going down, being able to contact 478 00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:03,320 your parents immediately there's a lot of value to that, 479 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,559 and the fact that you couldn't do that that's horrible. 480 00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:07,639 But then again, I'm sure they had to do what 481 00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:11,280 they had to do. I'm not faulting them for that, because, 482 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,039 after all, they in their eyes. Your grandfather was right there, 483 00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:17,960 but still they didn't make this any easier for you, 484 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,400 not by a long shot. Being an adult now, Phoenix, 485 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,280 after having had such a traumatic encounter talking about the 486 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,880 one when you were eleven home alone that night, what 487 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,800 advice would you like to share with any little kids 488 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,440 who had their own encounters with dog men who might 489 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,199 be listening to tonight's show. 490 00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:46,519 Speaker 1: Well, I would say, if anything like that were to 491 00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:54,719 happen to another kid, try and get in contact with 492 00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:00,679 someone who can be there relatively quickly. I wasn't able 493 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,840 to because I was afraid to go to the phone, 494 00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:08,360 which was right next to a window, and I was 495 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,280 terrified that if I went to that phone, that whatever 496 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,599 that was was going to reach through that window and 497 00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:17,480 snatch me out and drag me out of the house. 498 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:24,400 But I would say try and find it, especially most 499 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,039 kids these days have have a cell phone or you know, 500 00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:33,679 just a means to contact someone nearby. But I would say, 501 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:41,159 try to not engage or provoke it, and try and 502 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,559 get someone to come help you at that house. 503 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good advice, really good advice. It's always extra painful, 504 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,679 and hear about little kids having encounters with these things, 505 00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:57,800 because it's bad enough when you're an adult, A well 506 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,440 adjusted adult is going to likely have tu will come 507 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,920 to terms with an experience like this. A little kid, 508 00:44:04,159 --> 00:44:07,679 they don't stand a chance, but of course, you know, 509 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,519 they can try to get help and everything to deal 510 00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:12,000 with it, but it just makes it that much more difficult. 511 00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:17,199 It really does excuse me. Have you shared your encounters 512 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,400 with every important person in your life or do you 513 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,679 do that based on evaluating how their response is going 514 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:24,920 to be in your opinion? 515 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:35,880 Speaker 1: Well, I did tell my father about the incident in 516 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:42,280 Missouri where I was on the front porch, and he 517 00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:50,960 wanted to say it was my ex and some friends, 518 00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:53,440 but they were all the way in Saint Louis at 519 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:58,599 that point, and I had watched a couple of videos 520 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:03,239 on their fee of the party, so I knew they 521 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:08,039 were hours away. But he didn't seem to believe it 522 00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:12,039 could have been anything but a person trying to mess 523 00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:17,079 with me, which would be stupid. Everyone knew we were armed, 524 00:45:19,679 --> 00:45:23,320 Everyone in that area was armed, so it'd be stupid 525 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,920 to mess with people like that. But he didn't seem 526 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,920 to believe it could be anything other than a person, 527 00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:37,639 and that kind of irritated me actually, But the only 528 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,639 other person I've actually told I mean my cousin of course, 529 00:45:41,679 --> 00:45:46,519 because he was there when I mean in the party 530 00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:54,840 chat when he heard the roar over the microphone. And 531 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,760 then also that same friend is aware of both encounters 532 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:00,360 as well. 533 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,360 Speaker 2: It really is a shame that you have to value it. 534 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,880 Whether it's a good idea to share an experience like that, 535 00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:12,119 a very traumatic experience like that, or in your case, 536 00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:16,480 traumatic experience is plural with other people because you're not 537 00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:19,760 sure they're going to respond to it when putting it 538 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,199 out there, especially with people that you love and who 539 00:46:23,199 --> 00:46:25,320 are close to you. That's the best thing that you 540 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,519 could do, as long as they're going to support you 541 00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:30,280 and not make fun of you. Of Course, that's why 542 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,840 I talk about the whole prison without walls effect, because 543 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,800 that's really how it is. It's like living inside one. 544 00:46:39,039 --> 00:46:41,280 I'm not sure if you thought about this or not, Phoenix, 545 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,719 but if you have, when you hear people or see 546 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,840 people make comments about how they've never had an account 547 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,840 with a dog man, but they want to have one, 548 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:56,880 what goes through your mind. 549 00:46:56,519 --> 00:47:00,440 Speaker 1: I have mixed thoughts on this because I I am 550 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,559 the same way, uh like I mentioned I've never actually 551 00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:06,920 seen one full on. I would like to be able 552 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,679 to see one and not be able to deny in 553 00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:16,239 my mind what it what it is, even though with 554 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:22,599 its features that that I have seen it most certainly 555 00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:27,840 was not a bear. But at the same time, it's like, no, 556 00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:32,199 you really don't want to see them because that that 557 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,840 the first thing that always pops up is is those 558 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,360 two encounters, and primarily the one when I was eleven, 559 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:46,199 because that one was where it literally tormented me, and 560 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,639 so I kind of view that as as like a 561 00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:56,159 double edged sword, like, yes, that's that would be interesting, 562 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,719 but no, you don't want that. 563 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,000 Speaker 2: You're right, you don't want to have a dogman encounter. 564 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,280 There's life before and after a dog mean encounter. You 565 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,239 know that you've lived it. But there's so many people 566 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,199 out there who want to have encounters with these guys 567 00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,480 who've never seen one that just don't realize that that's unfortunate. 568 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,679 If you have any questions you want me to ask Phoenix, 569 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,480 please go ahead and type them out in all caps 570 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,719 if you're in the live chat now, and then I'll 571 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,400 just go through those questions and I'll ask them some 572 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,960 of them, and also before I get back to the questions. Tonight, 573 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,239 I dropped four new episodes of my new dogman podcast. 574 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,880 The new podcast is called dog Me and Tales. You 575 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,559 can't find it on YouTube. You would need to use 576 00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:43,840 your favorite way of listening to podcasts to listen. iHeartRadio, 577 00:48:44,039 --> 00:48:50,800 Apple Music or Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, Spotify, Spreaker. You 578 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:55,039 name the podcast platform and the show's available again. It's 579 00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:58,159 called dog Me and Tails and tales are spelled teas 580 00:48:58,199 --> 00:49:03,519 and tom al Eu. Yes, all right, moving forward, You've 581 00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:06,559 never seen a dog man, clearly, You've only seen the 582 00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:08,800 silhouette of one that was standing in the dark that 583 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,960 one night, and then you saw the shadow of the 584 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,800 one that was on your sister's window deep down, do 585 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,639 you wish you could have gotten a clear view of 586 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,039 one or are you glad that you weren't able to 587 00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:20,360 do that? 588 00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:28,599 Speaker 1: I would say probably not the one when I was eleven, 589 00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:34,719 because I was already terrified if I had seen, you know, 590 00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:40,320 and you know, even seeing the shadow, I was already 591 00:49:40,519 --> 00:49:44,159 a pretty big horror movie buff at that point. Anyway, 592 00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:49,599 I knew what were wolves were. They were my favorite genre, 593 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:56,880 favorite mythical beast, and you know they still are. But 594 00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,119 I don't think I could have handled that at that age. 595 00:50:02,679 --> 00:50:08,840 When I was an adult and I had that encounter, yeah, 596 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:15,320 I felt an incredible anxiety and that primal fear like 597 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,400 I felt back back then. But I also felt a 598 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:25,960 little more secure because I had a shotgun, I had 599 00:50:26,599 --> 00:50:30,559 the three inch magnum slug rounds. I felt more secure. 600 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:36,039 I felt if it couldn't be killed, it could at 601 00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:43,440 least be repelled. So I think I would have handled 602 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,199 it better as an adult, yes, But as a child 603 00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:47,000 now I would not have. 604 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you have so many more experiences to draw 605 00:50:51,679 --> 00:50:55,400 upon to fall back on as an adult, so yeah, 606 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,920 that's a given there. That's one of the reasons why 607 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:02,039 it's so unfortunate that kids encounters with these guys too. 608 00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:02,920 I really hate that. 609 00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:04,039 Speaker 1: I do. 610 00:51:05,199 --> 00:51:09,119 Speaker 2: When you had that traumatic encounter when you're eleven, Shadow 611 00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:12,199 and Sasha were chained up outside, you said, Now, you 612 00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,239 were just a kid at the time, granted, but would 613 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,559 you've gotten into trouble if you would have brought those 614 00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:19,599 two in the house before you headed over to your 615 00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:20,559 grandfather's house. 616 00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:34,360 Speaker 1: I probably would have. Yeah, I would say I probably 617 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:34,840 would have. 618 00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,519 Speaker 2: Well, that really is a shame. Can you imagine the 619 00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:42,360 tear they experienced that night, having that thing rooming around 620 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,719 the house, being chained up to a dog box. That's 621 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,320 just horrible, it really is. But like I said, you 622 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,800 were a kid. I mean, you can only do so much. 623 00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:55,079 Speaker 1: That's true. I did want to bring them in, but 624 00:51:56,119 --> 00:52:02,119 I knew Sasha was uh she was partially house trained, 625 00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:06,920 but Shadow was not. He would have he would have 626 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,280 messed everywhere, and that's that's where I would have gotten trouble. 627 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,360 But yeah, I did definitely want to bring them in, 628 00:52:16,039 --> 00:52:23,480 and I did get a bit more protective if there were, 629 00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:30,440 you know, strange sounds out at night, and I would 630 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,480 go out because you know, I felt a little more 631 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:39,360 bold when when you know, everyone else was there and 632 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,480 I wasn't alone, so I would go out and check 633 00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:49,519 on them if there was any kind of noises outside. 634 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,199 Speaker 2: I'm sure you did feel more bold. Yeah, that's natural. 635 00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:53,559 Speaker 1: There. 636 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,280 Speaker 2: Well, let's get to some of these questions here. The 637 00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,519 first one on deck is from that's a mouthful that 638 00:53:01,559 --> 00:53:05,599 you has a trade embargo on Britain. That's an interesting 639 00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:09,119 name for a YouTube account. 640 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:10,880 Speaker 1: Anyway. 641 00:53:11,159 --> 00:53:13,599 Speaker 2: They want to know are there any caves nearby where 642 00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:15,119 this dog man could be living. 643 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:25,280 Speaker 1: In? Mississippi. No, not that I was aware of. I've 644 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:32,800 been all over that property for for years, and on 645 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:39,320 my little hiking trips with my dogs, I never came 646 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:48,039 across any sort of cave. But in Missouri, yes, and 647 00:53:48,199 --> 00:53:52,280 there was one. Actually, I think there were a couple 648 00:53:53,239 --> 00:54:00,119 that were not terribly far away from the house, and 649 00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:05,280 one of them, because we lived on a lake. One 650 00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:10,159 of these caves in particular, because my ex had been 651 00:54:10,199 --> 00:54:17,039 in that one basically goes under under the lake and 652 00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:23,360 goes across that section of water and comes up somewhere 653 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:28,039 on the other side. And I'd never been in them. 654 00:54:29,199 --> 00:54:30,760 But there are a couple out there. 655 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,400 Speaker 2: Well, they love caves, so they're probably using them at 656 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:41,039 least sometime at some point. The next question is from 657 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,840 Bang Bang. She wanted to know Phoenix, did it smile 658 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,639 at you? But you said the one time you had 659 00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:50,039 the sighting, all you saw was silhouette, So I take 660 00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:50,840 it the answer. 661 00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,320 Speaker 1: Was no, Yeah, if it did, I didn't, I couldn't 662 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:54,880 have seen it. 663 00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I thought. Well. The next question is 664 00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:03,280 from I like Ike and they want to know after 665 00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,079 you had your experience, did you have odd or weird 666 00:55:06,119 --> 00:55:07,280 events after that? 667 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:21,519 Speaker 1: Aside from the like I tried to describe like the 668 00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:28,079 external pressure around the body, and I eventually took it 669 00:55:28,119 --> 00:55:32,400 to mean that that was like a sign that they 670 00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,920 were nearby. Other than that, not necessarily. 671 00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:43,719 Speaker 2: Interesting. The last one for you is from Beverly Jaeger, 672 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,679 and she wants to know, Phoenix, what were you thinking 673 00:55:46,679 --> 00:55:55,280 when you felt the rumble going through your chest? 674 00:55:55,079 --> 00:55:58,599 Speaker 1: At first, I really did think that I had like 675 00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:05,920 unplugged the headset from my controller, and uh, maybe that 676 00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:08,440 there had been a sound come from the TV because 677 00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,079 we had a theater system, so it could it could 678 00:56:12,159 --> 00:56:15,800 do that. But when I realized after both my friend 679 00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:21,119 and my cousin were like, what was that, I realized 680 00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:28,400 that was something outside, which was probably right behind me 681 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:36,760 at the window. And once I realized that, I immediately 682 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:45,880 moved away from that window. But yeah, I did legitimately 683 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:50,440 think that it was something from the TV at first. 684 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:58,719 Speaker 2: Well that's understandable. Olkham's razor the simplest explanation, but unfortunately 685 00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,039 that's not what it was. I wish that's all it was, 686 00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:05,360 but unfortunately that wasn't the case. Got one more question 687 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,679 that popped up from Anne Console and Nan wants to 688 00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:14,199 know were there any odors. 689 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:21,000 Speaker 1: No, not that I can remember. With the first one, 690 00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:25,440 I didn't even come out of the house until I 691 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:29,159 heard what, you know, that sound that sounded like a gunshot, 692 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,599 and then everything went quiet and it appeared to be gone. 693 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,639 And it was at least ten minutes before I even 694 00:57:38,679 --> 00:57:41,320 went outside at that point. And for the one in 695 00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:48,199 Missouri where I was outside with it, I didn't smell anything, 696 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:55,000 nothing like what I've heard described anyway. I did kind 697 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,599 of get a hint of wet dog, but nothing like 698 00:57:58,599 --> 00:58:01,119 the robbing meat that I that I frequently hear other 699 00:58:01,159 --> 00:58:02,039 people talk about. 700 00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:08,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes I'll witnesses reports smelling that. Other times they don't. 701 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:13,280 Most of the time they don't, but yeah, sometimes they do. Well, 702 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,199 before we get out of here, Phoenix, do you have 703 00:58:15,199 --> 00:58:16,960 any clothes in comments you'd like to put out. 704 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:26,440 Speaker 1: There for us, I would say that if you've had 705 00:58:26,679 --> 00:58:30,159 any kind of experience, turn out to do what I 706 00:58:30,159 --> 00:58:36,960 did and just deny it, because, yeah, while I didn't 707 00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:45,440 technically see it full on up close, I know that 708 00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:48,960 it was not something that I could logically explain away, 709 00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:54,280 even though I tried two for years, and I think 710 00:58:55,519 --> 00:59:00,000 eventually that will start to take a toll on you. 711 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:04,239 So it's good to find someone that you can talk 712 00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:05,000 to about that. 713 00:59:07,199 --> 00:59:08,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be so nice if you could just 714 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,000 explain away a dog meann encounter or as in your case, 715 00:59:12,039 --> 00:59:15,880 dog me and encounters plural. But I mean, you can't 716 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,920 fool yourself. You know, you had those experiences, you know 717 00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:23,199 something real was going on, and then you had irrefutable 718 00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,760 proof when you saw the shadow on your sister's window 719 00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,920 and then you actually saw that one. You saw the silhouette, 720 00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,480 but you saw a dog mean nonetheless, So like I said, 721 00:59:32,519 --> 00:59:35,039 you can't fool yourself. You can do things to try 722 00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:38,239 to make yourself feel better, but deep down the truth 723 00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,320 is always going to be there, so it's best just 724 00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,920 to try to deal with it head on. But having 725 00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,079 said that, I can't thank you enough for coming back 726 00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:49,679 on and sharing those new experiences with us that you 727 00:59:49,719 --> 00:59:52,719 shared tonight with us and answering all these questions. I 728 00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:53,800 really appreciate it. 729 00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,119 Speaker 1: Well, it was a pleasure coming on and sharing that 730 00:59:59,159 --> 00:59:59,679 with you all. 731 01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,639 Speaker 2: Well, that's great to have you. Like I said, thanks 732 01:00:03,679 --> 01:00:06,159 again so much for your time, Phoenix, and have a 733 01:00:06,159 --> 01:00:06,679 great night. 734 01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:08,960 Speaker 1: Thank you you do the same. 735 01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:14,320 Speaker 2: Thanks. I'll try we'll see well. That's it for another episode. 736 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,000 Like I said earlier, I've got a new Dogman podcast 737 01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:21,360 I released call Dogman Tails. If you're having a hard 738 01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,639 time finding a way to listen to it, if you 739 01:00:23,679 --> 01:00:27,280 don't have a go to you podcast app or podcast platform. 740 01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:30,599 If you go to Dogmanancounters dot com and visit the 741 01:00:30,639 --> 01:00:35,440 podcast page, there's a link there for Dogman Tails that 742 01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,599 you can click on, and it'll take you right to 743 01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:41,199 the Spreaker homepage for the show. That way, it makes 744 01:00:41,239 --> 01:00:43,159 it really easy to listen to it that way as 745 01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,960 a fallback. But having said that, if you've had a 746 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,239 Dogman encounter that you'd like to get help with so 747 01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,280 that I can help you come to terms with it, 748 01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,679 or if you'd like to be a guest on the show, 749 01:00:55,079 --> 01:00:58,440 please go to Dogmanancounters dot com and submit a report. 750 01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,159 If you do that, then I'll be more than happy 751 01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:05,679 to contact you and schedule a film conversation so we 752 01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,559 can get to the bottom of what's going on with 753 01:01:07,639 --> 01:01:12,360 your experience or experiences. But having said that, thanks again 754 01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,079 so much for listening everyone. I really appreciate it.