Speaker 1: Deep track alert on a Tuesday, no hits. We follow
Speaker 1: the advice of Andy Bernard when it comes to Dave
Speaker 1: Matthews band all right typically joins us on Fridays. And
Speaker 1: my initial hypothesis is that it's sixty two degrees outside.
Speaker 1: So Chris Camaraddie wanted to leave his house, but why
Speaker 1: don't we get you on a Tuesday today, not a Friday,
Speaker 1: because I got to leave the house. That's what it
Speaker 1: is with shorts on, shorts on, I got the T
Speaker 1: shirt on.
Speaker 2: I mean it's I'm not going to complain about it.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. So I don't obviously want this to happen
Speaker 2: often because we are very reliant on these atmospheric rivers
Speaker 2: to bless our mountains with water to help, you know,
Speaker 2: the hotter times of the year. But I don't mind
Speaker 2: a couple sixty sixty five degree days in February.
Speaker 1: I think it puts wind in the sales. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: get you to the end. We already made it through January,
Speaker 1: so shout out to the group.
Speaker 3: Yeah we did it.
Speaker 1: Congrats everybody. And now to me, February is just the second.
Speaker 3: Worst month of the year, shortest month, but it is
Speaker 3: a short month, agreed.
Speaker 1: And then we'll get to March, and ultimately we'll probably
Speaker 1: still have a lot of cold weather and snow in March.
Speaker 1: But when you get to March, you've just kind of
Speaker 1: made it to the end.
Speaker 3: That's how I feel.
Speaker 2: I had this conversation with my in laws recently and
Speaker 2: they all disagreed. They all said March is too much
Speaker 2: of a tease in terms of the fluctuation of the weather,
Speaker 2: and I was like, well, if that's a teas, then
Speaker 2: what's going on right now?
Speaker 1: The same big teas because it will snow this Weekend's
Speaker 1: gonna be freezing next week. But nonetheless, we got you
Speaker 1: out of the house and on schedule release day.
Speaker 3: Oh huge c K.
Speaker 1: Schedule release day here. Look, you know it's an exercise
Speaker 1: in futility to try to analyze whether or not Utah
Speaker 1: is an easy schedule or a hard schedule. Just tell
Speaker 1: me who was picked to finish sixteenth, and then I'll
Speaker 1: pick them to win it like Arizona State, but for
Speaker 1: the first time since nineteen sixty seven, Utah and BYU
Speaker 1: play in October. It's October the eighteenth. Now for me,
Speaker 1: I'm a last yearst Game of the Year guy. And
Speaker 1: my second option would be like first game of the year,
Speaker 1: but not buried in the middle October the eighteenth. And
Speaker 1: there were a lot of people in the Big Twelve.
Speaker 1: You know, you hear these things like, oh, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're excited at BYU and Utah are conference, but we
Speaker 1: don't really know what that rivalry is all about. And
Speaker 1: if last year was the first time you watched that game,
Speaker 1: you were indoctrinated. It was excellent start to finish. Obviously
Speaker 1: you'd fans wish you went the other way. It was close,
Speaker 1: it was dramatic, the overnight splits were through the roof.
Speaker 1: Millions of people watched it, and there are other rivalry
Speaker 1: games being played later on Arizona Arizona State's the final
Speaker 1: game of the year. So I don't really have a question.
Speaker 1: I just think that's the one thing that stands out
Speaker 1: of BYU Utah damn, you know, kind of slammed there
Speaker 1: in the middle of October.
Speaker 2: Well, since you know I'm a man of the people,
Speaker 2: I know you are. The first thing I thought of
Speaker 2: was the Big Twelve hijacked uea weekend for families. Yes,
Speaker 2: they did this entire state. I hadn't considered that that
Speaker 2: angle that is a a Disneyland weekend, that is a
Speaker 2: fall break is a very important staple in the Utah
Speaker 2: Public Public School calendar. And the fact that that is
Speaker 2: going to be part of the week I mean, I
Speaker 2: think maybe it's not going to keep people from traveling
Speaker 2: and going to do stuff with their family. It'll just
Speaker 2: presumably make one spouse angry that another spouse is going
Speaker 2: to want to hijack theoretical happenings on the on the vacation.
Speaker 2: But that's the first thing I thought of. I was like, dude, what, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a good point. I mean, my wife's a first
Speaker 2: grade teacher. I'm always looking at UEA weekends as a
Speaker 2: time to potentially get out of town. It's also around
Speaker 2: the time my son was born. But I think it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like, maybe we'll get some light shed.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Brett or Mark will be taking
Speaker 2: questions because I know when he when Utah joined, he
Speaker 2: did like these mini like round tables with media members
Speaker 2: andvarious markets, and I was part of one and he
Speaker 2: spoke glowingly of the rivalry, said it's, you know, one
Speaker 2: of the best in the country. As we know it is.
Speaker 2: So the fact that we go from November ninth and
Speaker 2: year one to October eighteenth and year two, I don't
Speaker 2: I don't really get it, man. I mean that is
Speaker 2: that is basically just it's doing a disservice to the rivalry. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I think it's doing a disservice to the fans.
Speaker 1: And you just brought up another dynamic, which is UA weekend,
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know. That's the one thing
Speaker 1: because again analyzing the rest of this stuff, like, hey,
Speaker 1: is it easier? Is at hard? I don't know, neither
Speaker 1: do you.
Speaker 2: So that's the one you're not You're not crushing Cincinnati
Speaker 2: well springball tape.
Speaker 1: I mean the issue is, yeah, we'll look at springball stuff,
Speaker 1: but then another portal window opens and I don't even
Speaker 1: know what they're going to look like in the fall,
Speaker 1: none of these teams. So the BYU game is the
Speaker 1: one that stands out non con UCLA opening week pass,
Speaker 1: it being a little Rose Bowl action And if you
Speaker 1: want to take a road trip, that's probably the option
Speaker 1: because then it's cal Poly here at home.
Speaker 2: It would have been cool if they played cal Poly
Speaker 2: on the road. San Luis Obispo would never happen in
Speaker 2: a million years, but an amazing college town. A lot
Speaker 2: of people each time I'm sure aren't familiar with it. It's
Speaker 2: smack dab in the middle of south central California. Beautiful place.
Speaker 2: Had lots of friends in high school who went there.
Speaker 2: But this is all a preamble to the ultimate unveiling
Speaker 2: of the third game.
Speaker 1: Laramie.
Speaker 3: Have a great Laramie story, you do.
Speaker 1: Does it involve fans throwing feces at people?
Speaker 3: It does not.
Speaker 2: It involves the late great Dirk Facer trying to save
Speaker 2: my life out to Dirk. It was the two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight season they went undefeated. I was the beat
Speaker 2: writer at the CROWNNY that year, and I think the
Speaker 2: game was in the middle of October, so everybody was like,
Speaker 2: thank god, we got to Laramie and we're dodging potentially
Speaker 2: a very sticky situation. It was like fifty degree or
Speaker 2: fifty mile an hour wins in that day. It was
Speaker 2: like a crazy odd game. Nobody threw the ball. When
Speaker 2: we're leaving the stadium, I looked out to like the
Speaker 2: West or whatever, and I've never seen like a stranger
Speaker 2: things type like cloud, just pure black, and I thought
Speaker 2: were screwed because everybody, not only me, the DEAs guys,
Speaker 2: Tribune guys, everybody, they were trying to put it home,
Speaker 2: and we you know, looked up and back then, I
Speaker 2: don't think the weather on the internet was all that much,
Speaker 2: like it wasn't as accurate as it was now.
Speaker 3: So we're like, all right, let's just brave it.
Speaker 2: So we get in our car and we start to
Speaker 2: drive home, and within like an hour, it is like
Speaker 2: the worst blizzard I've ever been a part of.
Speaker 3: It was so bad.
Speaker 2: It got so cold so fast that the roads the
Speaker 2: roads had about like six inches of solid ice on top.
Speaker 2: So we're stuck because there was an accident. Obviously, we're
Speaker 2: stuck between Laramie and Rock Springs, Wyoming, and is calling
Speaker 2: us because they were a little ahead of us, and
Speaker 2: he was like, did you get through? And I was like, no, man,
Speaker 2: we're stuck. And he was like, all right, well just
Speaker 2: keep calling me to make sure you guys are all right,
Speaker 2: because like we you know, you can't like just run
Speaker 2: your car. You're gonna burn gas. And we don't know
Speaker 2: how long we're going to be there. The temperatures are dropping.
Speaker 2: It's insane, Like I got out on the highway. Was
Speaker 2: just like a sheet device. It was like a hockey arena.
Speaker 2: It was the wildest thing. So for hours and hours
Speaker 2: on end we had to sit there. Eventually we got going.
Speaker 2: We got to Rock Springs at like four thirty am,
Speaker 2: and I vowed that I would never ever, in a
Speaker 2: million years go back to Laramie again.
Speaker 1: Well, to your point, the good news is this is
Speaker 1: September thirteenth.
Speaker 3: Does that matter though it's sixty six degrees.
Speaker 1: In februarying, I guess nothing is real. I learned which
Speaker 1: I did not know. Maybe I should if this game
Speaker 1: has been on the schedule for like ten years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so is this the final? Like, hey, okay, we
Speaker 1: did the thing. The deal is complete and no more
Speaker 1: of this nonsense.
Speaker 2: I mean, considering this was made when Utah was a
Speaker 2: Pac twelve team. A a home game versus Wyoming makes
Speaker 2: sense because Wyoming is traditionally a decent Mountain West Conference team.
Speaker 2: It is not a bad schedule and it's not a
Speaker 2: bad team to have on your schedule. The trip to
Speaker 2: Laramie can be tricky, man, it can be Harry. I
Speaker 2: know by you handled it last year.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that bad frankly for a Utah
Speaker 2: team that does not have a ton of great road games.
Speaker 2: With this upcoming twenty twenty five schedule, it's like two
Speaker 2: out of the three first games you can go to
Speaker 2: and they make sense. Pasadena in August, which is going
Speaker 2: to be great, probably hot, and then Laramie in September
Speaker 2: it'll still be green.
Speaker 3: You can what can you do in Laramie?
Speaker 1: Wrong? Got ath Lyne jays all over the place?
Speaker 3: I mean wrong.
Speaker 2: I mean I would assume that I'm not the type
Speaker 2: of person that can just walk into any sort of
Speaker 2: establishment in Laramie and be welcomed with open arms.
Speaker 1: Maybe wish I could argue with that. Maybe probably probably
Speaker 1: following on that one.
Speaker 3: But cool stadium, I'll say, I don't have you been there?
Speaker 1: Not for years?
Speaker 2: Interesting stadium? Yeah, if you're looking to splash your cash,
Speaker 2: is it like, do you want to drive whatever it
Speaker 2: is six or seven hours Selaramie or do you want
Speaker 2: to say for a five thousand dollars trip to Morgantown
Speaker 2: because you got a flight to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, again, we are the wrong people. Ask with that
Speaker 1: guy in there. Porters is out front facing excited. Yeah
Speaker 1: about the.
Speaker 3: App Man on the Street.
Speaker 2: Man on the Street interviews every single day, calling in
Speaker 2: live hits.
Speaker 1: So what is uh, what what is calling your heart
Speaker 1: about this potential September weekend trip to Laramie.
Speaker 4: I just like the the open skies of Wyoming, I guess, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, listen when you get out on the planes. I've
Speaker 2: driven through there multiple times in the summer. It is
Speaker 2: something to behold like from like a this we're at there.
Speaker 2: I don't know what elevation they're at. They're at very
Speaker 2: high elevation. It's just like the planes, and you're like, man,
Speaker 2: this is like very much the most secluded Division one
Speaker 2: versity in the country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that.
Speaker 3: I'm a whenever i'm there, I'm like, how do they
Speaker 3: recruit people?
Speaker 1: What will you be doing with your free time when
Speaker 1: you're not working in Laramie?
Speaker 3: Probably will be spending too much time there.
Speaker 4: I don't know, Uh, have you been except yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 4: I've been to Laramie for one football game. I've been
Speaker 4: to Laramie for a couple of rodeos.
Speaker 2: See if there's a rodeo, I'm down right like you
Speaker 2: could overlap some stuff in Laramie.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, if there's an event like I can, I'll
Speaker 2: throw down. I'll go to Laramie with Porter.
Speaker 1: You want to go, I do not, but I will
Speaker 1: support the two of you in your endeavors. Headed to
Speaker 1: UH to Laramie, whether it's a football game or a rodeo.
Speaker 1: I think I'm good. But let's pull out the c
Speaker 1: K Yelp Guide, the K travel Zagat Guide, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: talk about road trip options. We already talked about Pasadena.
Speaker 1: We just got into Laramie, all due respect. Then it's Morgantown, Provo, Waco, Texas, Lawrence, Kansas.
Speaker 1: Any hot rex with the other trip potential.
Speaker 3: Never been to any of those places?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know a lot of good places
Speaker 2: in Provo. Come on, I'll give an underrated shout out
Speaker 2: to a place that's not in Provo. The Purple Turtle.
Speaker 2: American Fork, great burgers, amazing tater tots, like a mom
Speaker 2: and pop fast food place. Yeah, the Purple Turtle.
Speaker 1: So hit up the Purple Turtle on the way to
Speaker 1: in America.
Speaker 3: And it makes sense. Purple.
Speaker 2: You know, it's the melding of red and blue. It's
Speaker 2: it's a perfect place for people.
Speaker 1: To meet any gut feel on uh BYU next year,
Speaker 1: like top preseason, top twenty five. Where do you think BYU.
Speaker 2: Land fifteen fifteen. I'm trying to think how many guys
Speaker 2: they're going to lose to the draft. They didn't lose
Speaker 2: anybody that significant in the portal.
Speaker 1: Honor Pay graduated, Baddie graduated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so like they have a lot of
Speaker 2: a couple guys in the trenches. Baddy was was. You know,
Speaker 2: they're arguably one of their best defensive players in Connor Was.
Speaker 2: Both guys are team captains. They get Keanu Tonavasa like
Speaker 2: that's a huge get. Jake Retzlov has another year in
Speaker 2: aeron system. They still have a bunch of weapons. Chase
Speaker 2: Roberts decides to come back.
Speaker 3: LG. Martin's coming back.
Speaker 2: They're deep, man like, I mean think, I think their
Speaker 2: defense surprised a lot of people last year. They turned
Speaker 2: out to be one of the better defensive teams in
Speaker 2: the Big twelve. I don't know what their non con
Speaker 2: schedule is like in twenty twenty five. You might have
Speaker 2: it pulled up on your fancy MacBook.
Speaker 1: You talking about BYU, Yeah, yes, I will pull it up.
Speaker 1: It's like Portland's not it's not all that. It's like
Speaker 1: Portland State, they have to go to East Carolina. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's a tricky one that finishes their deal with them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm almost talking about that earlier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a tricky game.
Speaker 1: So it's Portland State. They have Portland State in Provo,
Speaker 1: they have Stanford in Provo, and then they have a
Speaker 1: September thirteenth by which is wild and then they're out
Speaker 1: East Carolina.
Speaker 2: That's a pretty decent non con schedule if you think
Speaker 2: about it. I mean, I know, Stanford is no world
Speaker 2: beater at the moment, Andrew Luck is back at his
Speaker 2: alma mater trying to to build things as the pseudo
Speaker 2: GM of the football program. But Stanford here and then
Speaker 2: at East Carolina, I mean, there are worse non conference schedules.
Speaker 1: BYU is on the road quite a bit as I'm
Speaker 1: reading this. So Portland State home, Stanford home, bye week out,
Speaker 1: East Carolina at Colorado home against West Virginia at Arizona
Speaker 1: home against Utah, and then yeah Jack Trice for Iowa State,
Speaker 1: Lubbock for Texas Tech.
Speaker 3: Those are tough games.
Speaker 1: TCU at home, Cincinnati on the road, UCF at home, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you couldn't schedule Utah November twenty ninth because you had
Speaker 1: to fit in UCF. That's BYU's final game.
Speaker 2: And that was Utah's final game this year, right, don't,
Speaker 2: I don't. I mean, I'm sure trying to get everybody
Speaker 2: somewhat pleased with a sixteen team schedule is near impossible.
Speaker 2: But again, if you're the Big Twelve, this is is
Speaker 2: there a outside of Arizona State in Arizona? Is there
Speaker 2: another rivalry within this conference?
Speaker 3: Right now?
Speaker 1: Pay State, Kansas?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean those are your three. Yeah, but I maybe
Speaker 2: I'm biased here. I feel like the casuals will turn
Speaker 2: in for Utah BYU way more than Arizona Arizona State.
Speaker 1: Well, and again based off of the debut of that
Speaker 1: game in the Big Twelve last year, just checked every box.
Speaker 1: So that's the one thing that's certainly puzzling Dion. Without Shador,
Speaker 1: what does Colorado look like? You know? They they had
Speaker 1: Travis and Travis Hunter. They according to what I read
Speaker 1: this morning, they have the number one QB transfer.
Speaker 3: They got Caden Psalter from Liberty.
Speaker 2: But there's another and Juju Lewis, who was a five
Speaker 2: star kid who was committed to USC for a very
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 1: Okay, that was the kid I read about. So obviously
Speaker 1: Dion has shown he can get talent. But now that
Speaker 1: you know Travis Hunter and his kid is, they're going
Speaker 1: to move on? What's both U town buy? You have
Speaker 1: Colorado next year? What do you think?
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the great question that a lot
Speaker 2: of people who followed Dion Sanders and follow Colorad are
Speaker 2: wondering is for so long Dion was adamant that you
Speaker 2: know the reason why he wanted to do this was
Speaker 2: to coach his sons, and I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people were waiting for the other shoe to drop when
Speaker 2: Shador and Shiloh and Travis graduated and or moved on
Speaker 2: to their professional aspirations. They did a pretty good job.
Speaker 2: I mean, you land a five star kid, high school kid,
Speaker 2: and then you land one of the best dual threat
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in the portal and Cadence Salter. You could do worse,
Speaker 2: but this it will be a significant step down. I
Speaker 2: think people underestimate how good Shador Sanders was behind a
Speaker 2: pretty bad offensive line again for a second year in
Speaker 2: a row, and I know that's been their priority is
Speaker 2: to beef up the offensive line. I'm fascinated to see
Speaker 2: what their rushing attack looks like. Because I'm not saying
Speaker 2: Dion was patting Shadoor stats, but you could tell that
Speaker 2: their their best option was to go five wide and
Speaker 2: to have Shador drop back and throw it to Travis
Speaker 2: or a bevy of those you know, future and NFL receivers.
Speaker 2: I don't know what their schedule looks like. I haven't
Speaker 2: looked at it, but nobody's out of it.
Speaker 3: Man Like.
Speaker 2: If twenty twenty four taught us one thing, everybody's in play,
Speaker 2: and I think they have. I think they have Georgia
Speaker 2: Tech at home to start their non conference schedule, which
Speaker 2: is a great non conference game, but it'll be fascinating,
Speaker 2: man Like. Dion has coached his kids since they were
Speaker 2: nine years old, and it's been like this for.
Speaker 3: Fifteen years.
Speaker 2: And not only like, he literally went from Peewee to
Speaker 2: prep school, to high school, to Jackson State and now
Speaker 2: to Colorado.
Speaker 1: The latest mock, this is Matt Miller's mock, has Shador
Speaker 1: going six in the NFL draft, and that would be
Speaker 1: to the Vegas Raiders. That might be my favorite option.
Speaker 3: There are worse places to go. Listen.
Speaker 2: It would be fascinating to have the ultimate football dad,
Speaker 2: Dion Sanders have to deal with Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly.
Speaker 3: Yep, two guys.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he respects a ton for obvious reasons from
Speaker 2: the fit and scheme point of view. For our guy,
Speaker 2: shout out, John Paul Uhud are going to play for
Speaker 2: Chip Kelly. I mean, there are worse offensive minds to
Speaker 2: go play for. I mean, I think I read somewhere
Speaker 2: that the Raiders are going to pay Chip six million
Speaker 2: dollars a year to be there.
Speaker 3: O see.
Speaker 1: Oh, I guess that's why you leave Ohio State.
Speaker 2: After one which is which is more than Dion is
Speaker 2: making right now at Colorado.
Speaker 1: Did you ever think Dion was seriously flirting with Jerry Jones?
Speaker 1: You didn't think so? Now.
Speaker 2: I mean I talked to so many people who covered
Speaker 2: the Cowboys and they were like, listen, nobody is ever
Speaker 2: going to be a bigger star in the room than Jerry.
Speaker 2: Jerry might make it seem like, I mean, who knows.
Speaker 2: Maybe he was helping Dion out being able to cultivate
Speaker 2: some leverage in his ongoing renegotiation talks with Colorado because
Speaker 2: Colorado is paying Dion five five point seven million a year,
Speaker 2: right now, that's a that's a bargain, I think, considering
Speaker 2: what he's been able to do in two years. Now
Speaker 2: the hard part comes though, to your point, it's like,
Speaker 2: what does Colorado look like post Shador, post Travis Hunter?
Speaker 2: We're going to see It sounds super cliche, but it's like,
Speaker 2: you're really going to see what kind of coach Gian is?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, for sure? What are you? I know you're
Speaker 1: not a scout, but I'm a scout. Well, I know
Speaker 1: you Gran Ta Okay, I know you're Gran Tape. No,
Speaker 1: a're a ball I'm ready should during the NFL? How
Speaker 1: do you think that looks? Hmmm?
Speaker 2: Behind a good line, he's he can be really good
Speaker 2: man Like he has like tremendous touch, Like he gets
Speaker 2: the ball out so fast unless he's running for his life,
Speaker 2: which he did way too often the last two years.
Speaker 2: But it yeah, in the right system where he doesn't
Speaker 2: have to throw it forty five times. I think it
Speaker 2: can be good if he goes to a team that
Speaker 2: has an offensive mind at the helm, that understands how
Speaker 2: they want to play, and if they have a def
Speaker 2: do you line and a decent running game like's It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: all those things generally helps make a quarterback be successful.
Speaker 2: But let's just say like him going to the Raiders,
Speaker 2: which is even crazy to say like that to me,
Speaker 2: would say like Chador will have more success as opposed
Speaker 2: to going to the Titans at one, or the Giants
Speaker 2: at whatever number they're at, or even the Browns. Like
Speaker 2: I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to a guy
Speaker 2: like Pete Carroll who's won a Super Bowl and has
Speaker 2: been to several Super Bowls, and a guy like Chip
Speaker 2: Kelly who just led Ohio State to a national title.
Speaker 2: You have to have somebody who understands what they're doing.
Speaker 2: And that's not the case for Chador. It's it's for
Speaker 2: every quarterback. So where's cam Ward gonna go? Is cam
Speaker 2: Ward going to go to Tennessee and be successful? I
Speaker 2: don't know, man, Like I can't even tell you who's
Speaker 2: on that roster.
Speaker 1: Matt Miller has cam Ward off the board of three
Speaker 1: to the Giants. Okay, they need a quarterback, I would
Speaker 1: argue Tennessee needs one too. Abdual Carter the Edge Russia
Speaker 1: from Penn State seems to be getting all the love
Speaker 1: for the number one pick, Travis Hunter off the board
Speaker 1: of two, cam Ward three, Mason Graham a tackle at four,
Speaker 1: Will Johnson, the Michigan quarterback, corner back at five, then
Speaker 1: Shador at six. Any like Jayden Daniels comps there well
Speaker 1: to see what Jayden did this year. I mean Shador
Speaker 1: at times there's a little bit of they're built the same,
Speaker 1: They're very similar.
Speaker 2: With their Jayden's way more of a like a dual threat. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like Shador can take off and run if he needs to,
Speaker 2: but he's way more content staying in the pocket and
Speaker 2: waiting for routes to open up. And he's really good
Speaker 2: at delivering the ball on time in you know, difficult,
Speaker 2: difficult circum circumstances. Jayden, I mean, nobody saw it coming.
Speaker 2: I mean it's like I remember my year on the
Speaker 2: beat for the Athletic I think was the year that
Speaker 2: Asu was here, and it was like that rainy day
Speaker 2: and Utah's defense just really made him look like the
Speaker 2: true freshman that he was. And then he goes to
Speaker 2: LSU and everything kind of pops off, and then he
Speaker 2: goes to the NFL and has an MVP caliber type
Speaker 2: season in his rookie year. I think we have to
Speaker 2: be careful with the comps because he set the bar
Speaker 2: so high. So does Shador have the capability to be
Speaker 2: as good as Jaden? I don't know, but he's he
Speaker 2: can be a good quarterback if he finds the right team.
Speaker 1: And I do think the Raiders fit is somewhat interesting.
Speaker 1: And you know, honestly, yeah, face value. I always kind
Speaker 1: of roll my eyes when I hear a parent say, well,
Speaker 1: I will not let my son play for this franchise,
Speaker 1: or you know, we're going to step in to make
Speaker 1: sure that he has the best chance of succeeding. But
Speaker 1: it's happened so many times over the.
Speaker 2: Years, and Wheneverie not going to Sandy.
Speaker 1: Absolutely and then John Elway back in the day, like
Speaker 1: and so, I don't believe Zach Wilson was going to
Speaker 1: be a great NFL quarterback anywhere he landed. But I
Speaker 1: always thought Sam Darnold had in him what he did
Speaker 1: this year in minnesot To, and when the Jets drafted
Speaker 1: him as a Jets fan, I'm like, all right, we
Speaker 1: got our guy.
Speaker 3: You want him to bring him home.
Speaker 1: I would love that, really, I would love that for me.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't love it for Donald because ultimately, whether it's
Speaker 1: Sam Donald Zach Wilson. I'll leave Aaron Rodgers out of this.
Speaker 1: I would I would get it like if if my
Speaker 1: son Connor was the potential number one pick in the
Speaker 1: draft and the Jets had the number one pick in
Speaker 1: the draft, even though as a Jets fan, I think
Speaker 1: I'd be tempted to be involved to get him to
Speaker 1: a place where he has the best chance to succeed
Speaker 1: long term. Zack essentially is out of the league and
Speaker 1: Sam luckily had enough, He had enough coaches who.
Speaker 2: Got to go to San Francisco and sit behind. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that's a huge.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of smart football people that love
Speaker 1: Sam Donald, and I don't think Zach had that going
Speaker 1: for him. I don't mcveigha him a shot, but he
Speaker 1: was third string all year and I'm not even sure
Speaker 1: that they'll be in the league next year, So I've
Speaker 1: kind of changed my tune. Like, if you're a father
Speaker 1: and you have a chance to influence what will chart
Speaker 1: the course of your son's future, you do that, even
Speaker 1: if it's getting involved to make sure that he lands
Speaker 1: with the Raiders to play for Pete Carroll as opposed
Speaker 1: to the Titans or whatever. It is I would kind
Speaker 1: of understand if Dion wanted to flex his muscles a
Speaker 1: little bit, Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, without a doubt.
Speaker 2: And he has the clout and the type of way
Speaker 2: that I think if he when he talks, people listen
Speaker 2: like I think when you have the type of career
Speaker 2: and the personality like Dion, your words go a long way.
Speaker 3: And Chador too.
Speaker 2: I mean, like being around those guys for the last
Speaker 2: couple of years, it is not hard to see that
Speaker 2: the apple hasn't fallen too far from the Treatly, those
Speaker 2: guys are totally understanding of life as a professional athlete,
Speaker 2: even at you know, the time they were teenagers, all
Speaker 2: the way up until now. You can make an argument
Speaker 2: that nobody's ever been more prepared from a social standpoint
Speaker 2: being in a locker room understanding the ins and outs
Speaker 2: of being a professional than Shaudor because he's been around
Speaker 2: his dad his entire life, and his dad has kind
Speaker 2: of treated him as such. So yeah, it's going to
Speaker 2: be an interesting top part of the draft because I'm
Speaker 2: no expert, but I don't know if the Cleveland Browns
Speaker 2: or the Tennessee Titans are the type of franchise where
Speaker 2: you want to go in and become the savior.
Speaker 3: Maybe.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you can become the savior of the
Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns, you'll walk on water. But that's that's easier
Speaker 2: said than done. Shiloh Pro is his other kid, a
Speaker 2: pro special teamer. I mean he might get a late
Speaker 2: round draft or an undrafted free agent.
Speaker 1: But yeah, all right, Utah schedule release, Big twelve schedule release.
Speaker 1: We have Chris Camaraddi live in studio. We'll do a
Speaker 1: little bit more a college football cks on the college
Speaker 1: football side of things for the athletic Deep tracks Snow
Speaker 1: Outside Away from the World twenty twelve. But I mean
Speaker 1: that's just me because I'm an expert. But we do
Speaker 1: follow the Andy Bernard rule. Deep tracks, no hits. Did
Speaker 1: you see our guy and the band let's get his
Speaker 1: mic out. Our guy and the band be inducted into
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame to ask you this already.
Speaker 3: I think we talked about this a few weeks ago.
Speaker 3: Rock and roll.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't remember what ad for breakfast this morning. We're
Speaker 1: just talking off air. Nothing is real now, but Chris
Speaker 1: Camerani is live in studio four o'clock hour. Look, I
Speaker 1: know you're not an NBA guy. Okay, and I know
Speaker 1: that you're plugging in a college football. We'll get back
Speaker 1: to little college football in a bit. But what has
Speaker 1: happened this week in pro basketball is truly historic and
Speaker 1: it's never happened before. But for a guy like you,
Speaker 1: who once upon a time maybe watch a little more
Speaker 1: pro basketball than he does now, and the data is
Speaker 1: in man, no matter what you want to spin as
Speaker 1: an NBA employee or an NBA person, less people are
Speaker 1: simply watching pro basketball. They just are. I have my
Speaker 1: own theories about it. And as we approach the end
Speaker 1: of football season super Bowl, you know, the Sunday, and
Speaker 1: then we move into football offseason, the numbers will grow.
Speaker 1: They always do. But does news like this reverberate with
Speaker 1: you at all? That Luka Doncich, a twenty five year
Speaker 1: old generationally special players been traded to the Lakers. Does
Speaker 1: that do anything for a non NBA guy like yourself.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna risk myself sounding super nerdy, but like to me,
Speaker 2: I'm way more fascinated like what ends up being reported,
Speaker 2: like how how each side basically tries to construct and
Speaker 2: control various narratives as to why something's happened and why
Speaker 2: some things didn't.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 2: I like to listen to press conferences because one I
Speaker 2: think for reporters it's really important to learn to ask simple, succinct,
Speaker 2: easy questions, but with meaning. And I watched some of
Speaker 2: Luka Doncic and Rob Polinka's press conference today and you
Speaker 2: know a lot of those guys, you know, you have
Speaker 2: some of these guys on your show, did it? We're
Speaker 2: pretty direct in asking Luca and Rob like some of
Speaker 2: these theories of why Luca got traded and why.
Speaker 3: He might have been on the block.
Speaker 2: And it's fascinating to me in this world where and
Speaker 2: I'm obviously as a reporter myself, like you have to
Speaker 2: try to always tell the truth and find the right
Speaker 2: people to talk to. But yeah, and the meat in
Speaker 2: the Meeta aftermath, I was wondering, like, who who is
Speaker 2: going to take control of the spin zone with this?
Speaker 2: And immediately I was texting my brother in law, who's
Speaker 2: a diehard Mavericks fan, and I was like asking him,
Speaker 2: I was like, how do you explain this to Sasha,
Speaker 2: my nephew who's who's nine and loves and loves the
Speaker 2: MAVs like they live in northern California. They went and
Speaker 2: saw Luca play in Sacramento like two months ago. He
Speaker 2: has a Luca jersey. I was like, how do you
Speaker 2: explain this to him? And he was like, it's hard, man,
Speaker 2: like this is this is part of the dad life
Speaker 2: where it's like, yeah, sometimes things don't work out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But then I told him.
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, well, I mean that you can
Speaker 2: look at it from like a glass half full point
Speaker 2: of view, And I said, you could tell him, and
Speaker 2: you can tell me if this is wrong. But like,
Speaker 2: aren't the MAVs in theory going to be a better
Speaker 2: team this year on paper with Anthony Davis then if
Speaker 2: if healthy, then with Luca and Kyrie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, potentially, Okay, I would say no, just because Luca.
Speaker 1: I've never really seen a player at Luca's age impact
Speaker 1: the game the way he impacts it. In five years,
Speaker 1: five first team All NBA selections, five All Star Games,
Speaker 1: he was thirty five, eleven and nine last year in
Speaker 1: the playoffs and led them to the finals. He actually
Speaker 1: led the NBA in minutes played if you combine the
Speaker 1: regular season in the postseason last year, mile like, he
Speaker 1: must be such a royal pain in the ass. It's
Speaker 1: the only thing that makes sense from a basketball standpoint,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense at all in my opinion. Now
Speaker 1: maybe it frees up Kyrie a little bit. And Anthony
Speaker 1: Davis is really good. I mean, Luca is so good
Speaker 1: that we're talking about Anthony Davis like he's Curtis Borcher,
Speaker 1: you know, the big the jazz here that had horrible feed.
Speaker 1: He's a really good player.
Speaker 3: Ben han logged in.
Speaker 1: Good shout out. Ben hand logged in Onto Tuesday. It's
Speaker 1: never a bad time to get a Ben hand logged
Speaker 1: and shout out. And maybe it ups there, you know.
Speaker 1: Bottom line this year a little bit, but moving forward,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not a conspiracy theory guy, you know that.
Speaker 1: And usually when somebody is, I kind of roll my eyes,
Speaker 1: whether it's sports or politics or religion. But the Lakers
Speaker 1: man wilt to Kareem. Kareem's your bridge, Kareem to Magic.
Speaker 1: Magic was your bridge, Magic to Shaq and Kobe. There's
Speaker 1: your bridge, Kobe and Shack to.
Speaker 3: Lebron, Kobe and Shack to Kobe and Powell.
Speaker 1: Correct, correct, Chay, just another bridge. And now the bridge
Speaker 1: is Lebron to Luca and it's the if you're a
Speaker 1: Lakers fan, it is the perfect you could not have
Speaker 1: hand picked a better player to step in and run
Speaker 1: your team after Lebron is done, whether that's this year
Speaker 1: or the year after. Lebron has a player option to
Speaker 1: play for the Lakers for one more year. My guess
Speaker 1: is he probably wants to play for one more year.
Speaker 1: I mean, as he already got his kid in the
Speaker 1: league and poor kid can't play. I kind of feel
Speaker 1: bad for him, But ultimately I think you get Lebron
Speaker 1: for one year next to Luca. We'll see how that works.
Speaker 1: There's some redundancy, but that's the type of redundance you
Speaker 1: want because they're both brilliant and they're both geniuses with
Speaker 1: making decisions.
Speaker 2: Has there ever been redundancy at that level in the
Speaker 2: NBA and have it worked to a championship level?
Speaker 1: Good question. I mean, when you think about teams with
Speaker 1: a couple of great like heatles, you know, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, the one interesting thing you talked about is
Speaker 1: Lebron played with peak Dwayne Wade, like in his prime
Speaker 1: Dwayne Waight right, and those two figured it out right,
Speaker 1: And so I've never been I've always pushed back on
Speaker 1: the whole, like, well, they both need the ball, so
Speaker 1: they can't play together like no.
Speaker 2: Especially in today's NBA works, it's like, just try to
Speaker 2: just use your skill to get open. Nobody's running these
Speaker 2: complex sets. It's like, give no outset the screen, get
Speaker 2: around him.
Speaker 1: Give me the talents, and then we'll figure it out.
Speaker 1: I've always been that guy. So even though there is
Speaker 1: a little bit of redundancy between the two, there are
Speaker 1: two of the top I don't know four or five
Speaker 1: decision makers in the history of the game, and at
Speaker 1: twenty five you do not make this trade. It truly
Speaker 1: is wild and I haven't talked to anybody around the
Speaker 1: league that saw this coming. Everybody is just completely.
Speaker 2: Seeing I think that's like fascinating to me more than
Speaker 2: like the encore part my job. It's like, in this
Speaker 2: day and age, how did Nico Harrison and Rob Polinka
Speaker 2: basically keep this under wraps? I mean, Rob basically said
Speaker 2: in his press conference today he was like, it was
Speaker 2: made clear that if this got out, if this was
Speaker 2: leaked at all, we would not go.
Speaker 3: Forward with this trade. YEA.
Speaker 2: So it was basically two old friends that knew each
Speaker 2: other going back to their you know, Rob's Rob days
Speaker 2: with with Kobe and Nico's days at Nike and ownership
Speaker 2: groups obviously, but yeah, what's it going to do for
Speaker 2: the league though? That's that's my points Like to you,
Speaker 2: I asked you that off there, and you're like, people
Speaker 2: will maybe watch more Lakers games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like, what do you think Rob Polinka does
Speaker 1: a night when he's not working. There's something off about
Speaker 1: that dude. He was dressed like he was the lead
Speaker 1: singer of a bad Bond Jovie band for the press conference.
Speaker 1: There's something jail.
Speaker 2: The jail pointed downward is the is the first question
Speaker 2: that I have that the tight leather jacket unzipped on
Speaker 2: both ends a little bit. It was a secondary one.
Speaker 2: But listen, man, like, when you're living that la elite lifestyle,
Speaker 2: you got to keep up with the with the joneses.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, if you go to the Viper Room on
Speaker 1: a random Tuesday morning at like one am, there's a
Speaker 1: chance Polinka just comes limping out of the restaurant.
Speaker 2: You don't You don't think he's, you know, playing some
Speaker 2: pickup on Santa Monica.
Speaker 1: No, I get vibes from him. The bodies are buried somewhere.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. He's a good rob. Blow he
Speaker 1: does look a lot like blah, but but but ultimately
Speaker 1: does this up the bottom line of interest for the league?
Speaker 1: I mean, over the past twenty four or forty eight hours,
Speaker 1: the highest downloaded articles on ESPNS dot com or all
Speaker 1: this Luca is this Luca trade. Everybody's talking about it,
Speaker 1: all right? Moving over to our local pro basketball team.
Speaker 1: When you're at a family gathering or you're hanging out
Speaker 1: with friends and they know that you cover sports, what
Speaker 1: what do they ask you? What do they say to
Speaker 1: you about you get me free tickets? Outside of of
Speaker 1: course being mooches, because they all are, but outside of
Speaker 1: wanting pre jazz tickets? What? What's the jazz taker on town?
Speaker 3: Right now?
Speaker 1: It's tough, isn't It's a tough scene.
Speaker 3: I think, apoplectic, Like.
Speaker 2: I don't know if there is a vibe right now,
Speaker 2: I think, and again for if there is a faction
Speaker 2: of jazz fans that are frustrated that the franchise is
Speaker 2: where it is, I'll give my unsolicited opinion that people
Speaker 2: don't care about It's like they're doing what they're supposed
Speaker 2: to be doing. Listen, Like, even if you would have
Speaker 2: been able to keep Rudy or keep Donovan, one of
Speaker 2: those guys. If you would have been able to build
Speaker 2: around the edges, those guys weren't going to be able
Speaker 2: to compete with some of these teams that have been
Speaker 2: constructed in the Western Conference right now.
Speaker 3: They just couldn't.
Speaker 2: Like I wouldn't take those guys over Memphis over the
Speaker 2: young Houston team obviously. Okay, see, like the list is
Speaker 2: pretty long, so and and I guess I'm gonna bob
Speaker 2: and weave a little bit. Going back to Luca. It's like,
Speaker 2: I think the reason why people are so upset in
Speaker 2: Dallas is because they probably realized that they struck lottery twice.
Speaker 2: They had Dirk and then I don't know how many
Speaker 2: years between Dirk and Luca, but it couldn't have been
Speaker 2: more than two handful.
Speaker 1: I want to say, did Dirk play with Luca one year?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean maybe we can get our guy to.
Speaker 1: Check ESPN Stats and info or guy like it.
Speaker 2: Just doesn't happen in this league. So the fact that
Speaker 2: you had a player like that on your team the
Speaker 2: face of the franchise, it's so difficult to land those
Speaker 2: guys in the first place. And I'm not even comparing
Speaker 2: Luca to Donovan because we know Luca is a generational player,
Speaker 2: and Donovan's a good he's a good NBA player, He's
Speaker 2: an one.
Speaker 1: One season together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is so hard, especially in markets that
Speaker 2: aren't LA and not you know, New York. But that
Speaker 2: being said, if you do look at the kind of
Speaker 2: the powers that be now, it's in the East Eastern
Speaker 2: Conference obviously Boston, but Cleveland, Milwaukee, not destination towns. Oklahoma City, Houston,
Speaker 2: Memphis in the West, not destination places. It's all about
Speaker 2: how you build, and the Jazz have to build and
Speaker 2: they we honestly don't know if they have any building
Speaker 2: blocks right now beyond lowry marketing. I guess you could
Speaker 2: make an argument for Walker Kessler. Yeah, but your two
Speaker 2: bigs in twenty twenty five do not solve your problem
Speaker 2: because the game is now, who are your six foot seven,
Speaker 2: six foot eight, six foot nine wing players and the
Speaker 2: Jazz need to find those well.
Speaker 1: And to your point about this not necessarily happening very
Speaker 1: often in pro basketball, you just have to rely on
Speaker 1: savvy planning and then luck. You just have to like
Speaker 1: because it has happened in other places, it just hasn't
Speaker 1: happened here. The only time the Jazz have been built
Speaker 1: correctly and they've been able to win at a high level.
Speaker 1: You had some very smart talent evaluators find some very
Speaker 1: very high value in places in the draft that you
Speaker 1: don't typically find it. John and Carl mid late first round,
Speaker 1: go Baar twenty seven, Donovan late lottery even Hayward late
Speaker 1: Millsap second round, like most of our best players, if
Speaker 1: not all of our best players. Darren top five pick,
Speaker 1: but he's the outlier right anytime they like they I
Speaker 1: think Cantor was the third pick, like that was you
Speaker 1: blew that one. But most of the value they found
Speaker 1: have been mid lottery lad first round, sometimes in the
Speaker 1: second round. And when you look at the markets to
Speaker 1: your point where you have to be analogous with Salt
Speaker 1: Lake Denver, was your cousin who drove up to Idaho
Speaker 1: and about the lottery ticket and then the powerball numbers
Speaker 1: hit because they got Jokich at forty three and is
Speaker 1: the best player in the world. Milwaukee Yiannis mid first round.
Speaker 1: You know, so something like that needs to fall into
Speaker 1: place for the Jazz.
Speaker 3: And you need a couple huge dominoes.
Speaker 1: Yes, and the most likely way to do that in
Speaker 1: a market like Salt Lake is simply having a top
Speaker 1: pick like san Antonio did. I always draw the San
Speaker 1: Antonio example. I have done this for years because people
Speaker 1: will say, well, you can't do it in Salt Lake.
Speaker 1: I'm like, have you been to San Antonio tape?
Speaker 3: Man? I like san Antono.
Speaker 1: I liked it in the first couple of times, and
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, are we doing nachos in the river
Speaker 1: walk again? Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. The tech, the text mex if
Speaker 2: you find the right spots there. But yes, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: Okay. So I would prefer saw Lake over San Antonio.
Speaker 1: Then when you look at the you know, the media numbers,
Speaker 1: they're a smaller market than we are. But san Antonio
Speaker 1: David Robinson first overall pick, Tim Duncan, first overall pick.
Speaker 1: You talk about Laker bridges. Okay, now we have San
Speaker 1: Antonio bridges, and now they have Victor Wemmen. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: a number one overall pick. They had three opportunities to
Speaker 1: draft the number one player overall and they've knocked it
Speaker 1: out of the park all three times. And the Jazz
Speaker 1: have never had the number one overall pick. It just
Speaker 1: is going to take a Little San Antonio time Lady. Luck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've They've chosen wisely when it comes to choosing
Speaker 2: to be bad, right, because I think the year that
Speaker 2: they chose Duncan, I think Robinson was really hurt. The
Speaker 2: year before was it the lockout.
Speaker 1: No, No, the lockout year was the year they won
Speaker 1: the title over Trell Springs, arou Al in Houston and
Speaker 1: the New York Knickerbockers. But the year Duncan was a
Speaker 1: senior at Wake Forest. As the story goes, David Robinson
Speaker 1: reported a camp and he was like, hey, I'm good,
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, actually you're not.
Speaker 3: Not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your back really hurts, and so he wanted to
Speaker 1: play that year and they basically said, just watch this
Speaker 1: kid at wake Forest. That's why you're not playing it.
Speaker 1: But again, you need the lottery luck. Yeah, best laid
Speaker 1: plans a side seek. Yeah, you still need the luck
Speaker 1: to follow your way.
Speaker 2: It's funny if that's true that they told like the
Speaker 2: most in shape giant human in the history of the world.
Speaker 2: Like I remember like in Awe of David Robinson who
Speaker 2: was like seven to one and was like cut like
Speaker 2: a bodybuilder and the stuff that he could do. But Anyways,
Speaker 2: my question to you, and this is where we're getting
Speaker 2: really sports talk radio, why doesn't the NBA follow the
Speaker 2: NFL model where the worst team gets the best top pick. Like,
Speaker 2: do you think there's a world in which the NBA
Speaker 2: could go that route?
Speaker 1: Well, once upon a time that was talked about, and
Speaker 1: the fear is that too many teams tams would just
Speaker 1: be unserious. Well that's what they're always they're doing.
Speaker 3: Anyways.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the NBA would tell you their spin is
Speaker 1: they're trying to avoid the tanking that is so clearly happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The irony to me is that in the NFL, I'm
Speaker 2: sure there are some tankers, but like, for the most part,
Speaker 2: people are trying way harder than in the NBA. And
Speaker 2: the NBA has the lottery system. It's just iron Yeah.
Speaker 1: The way the NFL is set up, really top to
Speaker 1: bottom is a better business model. It's not as favorable
Speaker 1: to the players, right, And so this is an unpopular take.
Speaker 1: If if a pro athletes listening to the show, because really,
Speaker 1: the guaranteed contracts in pro basketball change the way players
Speaker 1: decided to approach their job. There was a time, Chris,
Speaker 1: where NBA players honestly needed paychecks on the first and
Speaker 1: the fifteenth of every month, and if they didn't show
Speaker 1: up and play in games, they weren't paid right, and
Speaker 1: they needed the money. They really did. Now, what's Lebron
Speaker 1: need another dollar for it? And not just Lebron. You
Speaker 1: can go down the list. A lot of these players
Speaker 1: will never have to work a day in their life,
Speaker 1: and neither will four generations behind them. And at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, that's a good thing because there
Speaker 1: were too many oligarchs making millions on their backs and
Speaker 1: so I'm all for the basketball related income split that
Speaker 1: goes to the players. Now the NFL simply doesn't do that.
Speaker 1: There are very few guaranteed deals. There are more now
Speaker 1: than there used to be, but for the most part,
Speaker 1: you got to show up, you got to play hard
Speaker 1: so you can earn your paycheck. And that leads to teams,
Speaker 1: even if they're trying not to be great, employing players
Speaker 1: that are playing their ass off every week, and that's
Speaker 1: why you get more parody. It's a better business model
Speaker 1: for the viewer, which is why the NFL has the
Speaker 1: best TV show when it comes to sports period. End
Speaker 1: of story. It just does.
Speaker 2: Do you think if the NBA adopted the worst to
Speaker 2: first model. Do you think that would expedite the process
Speaker 2: of teams teams that need to rebuild faster, like the
Speaker 2: Jazz or like the Wizards. Do you think that would
Speaker 2: help the parody?
Speaker 1: Maybe is the answer. It's tough because another model that
Speaker 1: I've seen thrown around is simply you just cycle it
Speaker 1: every year, just you know, Okay, the Jazz have the
Speaker 1: first pick next year, then they go to the thirty
Speaker 1: second pick next and then they move up, you know,
Speaker 1: and then they just kind of rotated that way. This
Speaker 1: is one way where you flatten a lot of the odds,
Speaker 1: and so you're trying to avoid the the you know,
Speaker 1: the the tanking stuff at the end. And maybe if
Speaker 1: you just did worst gets first, you would have some
Speaker 1: interesting games where you could watch where teams are just
Speaker 1: really horrible and like the trainer's playing point guard or something.
Speaker 1: You know what, man, I just go back to promotion relegation.
Speaker 1: Let's just bring it to the NBA.
Speaker 3: It would be communist, man.
Speaker 2: It would rule that you I mean, listen, it would
Speaker 2: rule that's a reality check podcast.
Speaker 1: It is man, But that that would rule all right,
Speaker 1: So Jazz basketball Steph Curry and Town tomorrow night. They
Speaker 1: lost the Pacers last night. NBA trade deadline comes and
Speaker 1: goes on Thursday afternoon. There actually is something that you
Speaker 1: shared that you actually wrote about recently, and it's interesting
Speaker 1: because I talked about on the show. I believe college
Speaker 1: football games should be played on college football campuses. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I believe that should go for every single game,
Speaker 1: maybe besides the National championship game. You make that your
Speaker 1: super Bowl. We've already talked about the Joel Clatt thing.
Speaker 1: He wants the Rose Bowl to be the college football
Speaker 1: super Bowl. He's not wrong, and I think it would
Speaker 1: be really cool. Yeah, and then every game prior to
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl super Bowl for college football is played
Speaker 1: on a college campus, because that, to me is one
Speaker 1: of the things that makes college football amazing. You did
Speaker 1: a deep dive though, on what it cost fans, namely
Speaker 1: Notre Dame fans.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: I talked to fans of each of the four semi
Speaker 2: finalist teams who had gone to various playoff games, whether
Speaker 2: they were all of them or a few of them.
Speaker 1: So give us an idea of what that economic impact
Speaker 1: was like if you were a fan of a team
Speaker 1: and had to go to multiple venues to see them
Speaker 1: play in the CFP. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the Utter Dame fan I talked to was awesome
Speaker 2: because she's based in Pittsburgh, isn't a lum, isn't a
Speaker 2: season ticket holder, so she doesn't have the inn in
Speaker 2: terms of maybe a not as significant hit from a
Speaker 2: ticket's point of view. But she went to the home
Speaker 2: game against Indiana, She went to the Sugar Bowl against Georgia,
Speaker 2: the semi final against was it Penn State maybe Pensteak, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then they went to the National She went to
Speaker 2: the National championship game against Ohio State, and you know,
Speaker 2: bless her heart, she was awesome. She's a diehard Notre
Speaker 2: Dame fan, and she just basically broke down, like down
Speaker 2: to the dollar, how much everything costs. And I don't
Speaker 2: have it pulled up in front of me, but it
Speaker 2: was a lot of money. And it's the type of
Speaker 2: money that do you remember when we were kids and
Speaker 2: it was like your parents would be like, one day,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take you on that once in a lifetime.
Speaker 3: Trip to wherever.
Speaker 2: Like that was like I remember that being the conversation
Speaker 2: when I was a kid. This is kind of what
Speaker 2: I equated it to like this is probably fans that
Speaker 2: have been saving or have the means to be able
Speaker 2: to splurge when they see.
Speaker 3: The moment present itself.
Speaker 2: And you know, to me, the tickets weren't as expensive
Speaker 2: as everything else, Like it's it's the last minute flights,
Speaker 2: it's the hotels, it's the miscellaneous stuff, the lifts, that everything.
Speaker 2: And to your point, I think you could be able
Speaker 2: to curb the cost of so many fans emptying their
Speaker 2: pockets for this stuff. But at the same time, I
Speaker 2: think one thing we often and I did this when
Speaker 2: I first started working on this piece, We can't all
Speaker 2: assume that that fans are lums of schools live in
Speaker 2: that town anymore, for sure. So like a lot of
Speaker 2: these folks of friends, you know, fans of these schools
Speaker 2: like that. The Ohio State fan I talked to is
Speaker 2: a is a special education teacher in Santa Monica, and
Speaker 2: he still went to everyone. You know, it's like you
Speaker 2: find a way. But everybody that I talked to, I
Speaker 2: asked him that question. I say, like, would you like
Speaker 2: to see the model morph from what it is now
Speaker 2: to having home games.
Speaker 3: Up until the National Championship game?
Speaker 2: And pretty much everybody said yes, the Notre Dame fan said, like,
Speaker 2: I would like that, but because we're an independent, it's
Speaker 2: not currently set up that we would be able to
Speaker 2: because you know, we know the system currently favors the
Speaker 2: conference champions. My only thing, And I think the reason
Speaker 2: why this would never happen is college football as a
Speaker 2: whole is way too embedded in its relationship with those
Speaker 2: high profile bowls. And if we're talking about I mean,
Speaker 2: you remember like that Penn State SMU game was like
Speaker 2: ten degrees? Are you really going to keep risking that
Speaker 2: going deeper and deeper into December and January? I think
Speaker 2: I think the product potentially being hurt would be very
Speaker 2: a reason for apprehension for the powers that be.
Speaker 1: So the breakdown and this is the lady, the Notre
Speaker 1: Dame alum, and is this just did you have family
Speaker 1: with her? Is this just her?
Speaker 3: Just her?
Speaker 1: So? Can you imagine if you're traveling with like a
Speaker 1: family force. So this is what it cost one Notre
Speaker 1: Dame fan to attend Indiana, Georgia, Penn State and Ohio
Speaker 1: State Ohio State first round against Indiana, tickets, lodging, miscellaneous,
Speaker 1: one thousand and sixty two quarterfinal UGA, same stuff. One
Speaker 1: eight hundred and ninety five semifinal Penn State, same stuff,
Speaker 1: one thousand, seven hundred and twenty five championship game against
Speaker 1: Ohio State twenty five hundred dollars. She spent seven thousand,
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty two dollars to attend four Notre
Speaker 1: Dame games.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think her name is Christy.
Speaker 1: It is okay.
Speaker 2: Christy had an inn of sorts because some of her
Speaker 2: group of friends are more high profile donors, and at
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, if you the more you donate, the more
Speaker 2: likely you are to get a friendly budget hit when
Speaker 2: it comes to tickets. So that worked out great for them.
Speaker 2: It probably was a lot more tickets wise for other
Speaker 2: people who aren't in that realm. But like what was
Speaker 2: crazy is looking at the data from the last few playoffs,
Speaker 2: there haven't been that many games where the tickets, even
Speaker 2: as you got into the semi finals in the finals
Speaker 2: were really out of you know, extraordinary value. But this
Speaker 2: Ohio State Notre Dame game was nuts. I think it
Speaker 2: was like at one point, I think game during the
Speaker 2: game day, like at like seven or eight am, like
Speaker 2: tickets were like already in like the three to four
Speaker 2: thousand dollars range.
Speaker 3: But I mean a lot of that.
Speaker 2: The factors are, like you're talking about regional rivals to
Speaker 2: Midwest teams. Notre Dame hadn't been there, I think in
Speaker 2: like eleven years. Haven't won a national title since nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty eight. So there are a lot of mitigating factors there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, just for one person, like seventy
Speaker 2: one hundred bucks, and then like you said, if you
Speaker 2: want to take a spouse and a couple of kids,
Speaker 2: like shoot, man, like you might as well take out
Speaker 2: a second mortgage on your house.
Speaker 1: It's a lot to ask, Yeah, it really is. And
Speaker 1: it's interested in college football fans. It's just I don't know,
Speaker 1: if you get older, you just realize most of these things,
Speaker 1: and maybe you don't understand entirely. Politics, football, religion is
Speaker 1: so much about community, yeah, right, and that's really all
Speaker 1: it is. In a lot of ways, even people don't
Speaker 1: even care to intellectualize the community they're in. They just
Speaker 1: want to be in it, yeah, you know, and so
Speaker 1: they don't give a rip if weird things are happening
Speaker 1: at the White House, or if weird things are happening
Speaker 1: in college football. They just want to be in the
Speaker 1: they want to wear the red hat and feel good
Speaker 1: when they go out, that's kind of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And they want to flash the you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they want to flash to you whatever it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in that community. Yeah, I was surprised to know this
Speaker 1: most expensive tickets round one Indiana other name.
Speaker 3: I mean the proximity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like you could have also history, the.
Speaker 3: First ye history.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like they the folks who were either legally
Speaker 2: or illegally selling tickets, yeah, could just inflate those numbers
Speaker 2: to an ungodly level. Because when is Indiana going to
Speaker 2: get back there? Maybe yeah, maybe they will. But like
Speaker 2: I think Bloomington is a three hour drive to South Bend.
Speaker 2: Like the fact that they were so close, it was
Speaker 2: just a no brainer for people to be able to
Speaker 2: take advantage of our capitalistic market.
Speaker 1: Place, indeed, the neoliberal capitalistic takeover. But look, when you
Speaker 1: had been indoctrinated into a community and you love being
Speaker 1: part of that community, You're fine spending this money. Oh.
Speaker 3: Everybody I talked to is like, I do it again.
Speaker 3: I do it in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1: You're gonna buy the shoes, You're gonna buy the bibles,
Speaker 1: You're gonna buy the tickets. You're gonna shell out the
Speaker 1: cash because you want to be part of that community.
Speaker 2: Well, and for so many of these schools this year
Speaker 2: at least, like like I said, this is potentially a
Speaker 2: once once in a blue moon type deal. Like for
Speaker 2: the Ohio States or Texas's they'll be back and they'll
Speaker 2: have home games. But for a lot of these schools,
Speaker 2: like I mean, I remember there was a in real
Speaker 2: time SMU was trying to get to stay college. But
Speaker 2: because it's so hard to get there, like a boot
Speaker 2: like a plane of really rich boosters were like late
Speaker 2: getting to this private airport and they were being bust
Speaker 2: there privately, and like I think they eventually got there
Speaker 2: for like the third quarter, but by the time they
Speaker 2: got there, the game was out of hand.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, you just go for it if you can, all.
Speaker 1: Right, before I set you loose. The Utah Hockey Club
Speaker 1: has narrowed their list of name options. What are we
Speaker 1: at so fans can go through the motion of pretending
Speaker 1: to vote for the name tonight one more time and
Speaker 1: then just give qual Tricks your info then they'll do
Speaker 1: whatever they want. That's the bottom line. But anyway, the
Speaker 1: exercise is thought to allow these people to potentially vote
Speaker 1: on Utah Hockey Club, Utah Mammoth, and then the Utah Outlaws,
Speaker 1: and we learned that Porter's distant cousin is Billy the
Speaker 1: Kid or who is it? It's it's one of the Outlaws.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna wait till you get it right.
Speaker 1: Which Cassidy and the Sun Dance Kid and the Wild
Speaker 1: Bunch Porters related to Butch Cassidy. So we did a
Speaker 1: twenty minute history lesson on Outlaws in Utah last week.
Speaker 3: Who's the dude? Who was the uh like the henchman
Speaker 3: for Brigham Young.
Speaker 1: Porter Rock with Porter Rock well his namesake?
Speaker 3: Okay, so another I don't even know.
Speaker 1: Is it yep?
Speaker 3: My third great grandfather we talked about was like his
Speaker 3: best friend. So we have so what I before I go?
Speaker 3: I want to know your votes for the name.
Speaker 1: Utah Hockey Club.
Speaker 3: I keep going back and forth.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of like a dinosaur fossil nerd as well
Speaker 4: as like an outlaw nerd. So I'm kind of cool
Speaker 4: with either one. And Spence has kind of gotten me
Speaker 4: on board with Utah Hockey Club being a decent option
Speaker 4: as well. So I'm going to currently vote for Outlaw.
Speaker 4: But I'm I'm going either way.
Speaker 2: So we in this state, we are known for having
Speaker 2: dinosaur fossils. The mammoth thing, I don't really understand, particularly
Speaker 2: like I don't know when when was the last time
Speaker 2: if we ever have had a mammoth fossil here, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be with Porter, but I'm gonna go hockey club
Speaker 2: one Outlaws to mammoth is out for me.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think I've landed on that as well. We
Speaker 1: just did an hour with well.
Speaker 3: We didn't even talk about the.
Speaker 1: Trays in Santa Barbara.
Speaker 3: So they're in Coachella.
Speaker 1: Man, Oh, that's right, they're in Coachella.
Speaker 3: Now, ocella invitation.
Speaker 1: I bet Pobs is tripping on something.
Speaker 3: Let's tripping on formations.
Speaker 1: Little Jack, Little Jack Johnson, Ben Harper on the speaker, Oh,
Speaker 1: golfing with Pobs man, the music that comes. We had
Speaker 1: a we had a couple of Jason Moraz tunes. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you've told me about that. That's okay, No, it's not, No,
Speaker 1: it is. There has to be a line, Jason Maras
Speaker 1: has to be the line. There has to be a line.
Speaker 3: You're offending Dave Fox in here.
Speaker 1: Give me a I'm sure Fox loves Maras. I can
Speaker 1: see Fox in a Fedora. What's what's what's going on
Speaker 1: right now? Give me a quick thought on the lads Setulus.
Speaker 2: I think it's two weeks from today. They they're down
Speaker 2: in Costa Rica's right, Ye conquered cast.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Quick thought is they got worse this offseason?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: They did, And there's no really other way to spin it.
Speaker 2: And I think the fan base is probably very bummed
Speaker 2: out because for a long time they were waiting to
Speaker 2: have the type of roster constructed that they had last year,
Speaker 2: and to see it dissipate in eight months is probably
Speaker 2: pretty heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: Up, you're not buying the spin goals by committee, thirty
Speaker 1: five year old keeper good with his.
Speaker 2: I mean it's MLS dude, Like who knows, like they
Speaker 2: could for all that we know, like they could get
Speaker 2: the seventh seed and go on to run to MLS
Speaker 2: Cup next year with a bunch of with a bunch
Speaker 2: of dudes. I mean, I guess we know some of them,
Speaker 2: but like I don't know.
Speaker 1: Christopher, great to see you. It's still sixty two. Did
Speaker 1: you ride you can? Did you ride the bus?
Speaker 3: Should have?
Speaker 1: Oh wow?
Speaker 3: I had to run errands before.
Speaker 1: We'll get home safe.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Good to see it.
Speaker 3: Thanks Man.