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<v Speaker 1>Deep track alert on a Tuesday, no hits. We follow

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<v Speaker 1>the advice of Andy Bernard when it comes to Dave

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<v Speaker 1>Matthews band all right typically joins us on Fridays. And

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<v Speaker 1>my initial hypothesis is that it's sixty two degrees outside.

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<v Speaker 1>So Chris Camaraddie wanted to leave his house, but why

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<v Speaker 1>don't we get you on a Tuesday today, not a Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>because I got to leave the house. That's what it

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<v Speaker 1>is with shorts on, shorts on, I got the T

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<v Speaker 1>shirt on.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's I'm not going to complain about it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's amazing. So I don't obviously want this to happen

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<v Speaker 2>often because we are very reliant on these atmospheric rivers

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<v Speaker 2>to bless our mountains with water to help, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the hotter times of the year. But I don't mind

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<v Speaker 2>a couple sixty sixty five degree days in February.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it puts wind in the sales. Yeah, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>get you to the end. We already made it through January,

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<v Speaker 1>so shout out to the group.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah we did it.

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<v Speaker 1>Congrats everybody. And now to me, February is just the second.

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<v Speaker 3>Worst month of the year, shortest month, but it is

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<v Speaker 3>a short month, agreed.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we'll get to March, and ultimately we'll probably

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<v Speaker 1>still have a lot of cold weather and snow in March.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you get to March, you've just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>made it to the end.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how I feel.

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<v Speaker 2>I had this conversation with my in laws recently and

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<v Speaker 2>they all disagreed. They all said March is too much

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<v Speaker 2>of a tease in terms of the fluctuation of the weather,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, well, if that's a teas, then

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on right now?

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<v Speaker 1>The same big teas because it will snow this Weekend's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be freezing next week. But nonetheless, we got you

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<v Speaker 1>out of the house and on schedule release day.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh huge c K.

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<v Speaker 1>Schedule release day here. Look, you know it's an exercise

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<v Speaker 1>in futility to try to analyze whether or not Utah

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<v Speaker 1>is an easy schedule or a hard schedule. Just tell

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<v Speaker 1>me who was picked to finish sixteenth, and then I'll

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<v Speaker 1>pick them to win it like Arizona State, but for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time since nineteen sixty seven, Utah and BYU

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<v Speaker 1>play in October. It's October the eighteenth. Now for me,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a last yearst Game of the Year guy. And

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<v Speaker 1>my second option would be like first game of the year,

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<v Speaker 1>but not buried in the middle October the eighteenth. And

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<v Speaker 1>there were a lot of people in the Big Twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you hear these things like, oh, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're excited at BYU and Utah are conference, but we

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<v Speaker 1>don't really know what that rivalry is all about. And

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<v Speaker 1>if last year was the first time you watched that game,

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<v Speaker 1>you were indoctrinated. It was excellent start to finish. Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>you'd fans wish you went the other way. It was close,

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<v Speaker 1>it was dramatic, the overnight splits were through the roof.

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<v Speaker 1>Millions of people watched it, and there are other rivalry

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<v Speaker 1>games being played later on Arizona Arizona State's the final

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<v Speaker 1>game of the year. So I don't really have a question.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think that's the one thing that stands out

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<v Speaker 1>of BYU Utah damn, you know, kind of slammed there

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of October.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, since you know I'm a man of the people,

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<v Speaker 2>I know you are. The first thing I thought of

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<v Speaker 2>was the Big Twelve hijacked uea weekend for families. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>they did this entire state. I hadn't considered that that

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<v Speaker 2>angle that is a a Disneyland weekend, that is a

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<v Speaker 2>fall break is a very important staple in the Utah

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<v Speaker 2>Public Public School calendar. And the fact that that is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be part of the week I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>think maybe it's not going to keep people from traveling

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<v Speaker 2>and going to do stuff with their family. It'll just

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<v Speaker 2>presumably make one spouse angry that another spouse is going

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<v Speaker 2>to want to hijack theoretical happenings on the on the vacation.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's the first thing I thought of. I was like, dude, what, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a good point. I mean, my wife's a first

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<v Speaker 2>grade teacher. I'm always looking at UEA weekends as a

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<v Speaker 2>time to potentially get out of town. It's also around

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<v Speaker 2>the time my son was born. But I think it's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, like, maybe we'll get some light shed.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if Brett or Mark will be taking

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<v Speaker 2>questions because I know when he when Utah joined, he

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<v Speaker 2>did like these mini like round tables with media members

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<v Speaker 2>andvarious markets, and I was part of one and he

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<v Speaker 2>spoke glowingly of the rivalry, said it's, you know, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the best in the country. As we know it is.

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<v Speaker 2>So the fact that we go from November ninth and

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<v Speaker 2>year one to October eighteenth and year two, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really get it, man. I mean that is

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<v Speaker 2>that is basically just it's doing a disservice to the rivalry. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it's doing a disservice to the fans.

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<v Speaker 1>And you just brought up another dynamic, which is UA weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I don't know. That's the one thing

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<v Speaker 1>because again analyzing the rest of this stuff, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>is it easier? Is at hard? I don't know, neither

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<v Speaker 1>do you.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the one you're not You're not crushing Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 2>well springball tape.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the issue is, yeah, we'll look at springball stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>but then another portal window opens and I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>know what they're going to look like in the fall,

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<v Speaker 1>none of these teams. So the BYU game is the

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<v Speaker 1>one that stands out non con UCLA opening week pass,

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<v Speaker 1>it being a little Rose Bowl action And if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to take a road trip, that's probably the option

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<v Speaker 1>because then it's cal Poly here at home.

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<v Speaker 2>It would have been cool if they played cal Poly

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<v Speaker 2>on the road. San Luis Obispo would never happen in

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<v Speaker 2>a million years, but an amazing college town. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people each time I'm sure aren't familiar with it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>smack dab in the middle of south central California. Beautiful place.

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<v Speaker 2>Had lots of friends in high school who went there.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is all a preamble to the ultimate unveiling

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<v Speaker 2>of the third game.

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<v Speaker 1>Laramie.

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<v Speaker 3>Have a great Laramie story, you do.

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<v Speaker 1>Does it involve fans throwing feces at people?

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<v Speaker 3>It does not.

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<v Speaker 2>It involves the late great Dirk Facer trying to save

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<v Speaker 2>my life out to Dirk. It was the two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and eight season they went undefeated. I was the beat

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<v Speaker 2>writer at the CROWNNY that year, and I think the

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<v Speaker 2>game was in the middle of October, so everybody was like,

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<v Speaker 2>thank god, we got to Laramie and we're dodging potentially

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<v Speaker 2>a very sticky situation. It was like fifty degree or

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<v Speaker 2>fifty mile an hour wins in that day. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like a crazy odd game. Nobody threw the ball. When

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<v Speaker 2>we're leaving the stadium, I looked out to like the

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<v Speaker 2>West or whatever, and I've never seen like a stranger

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<v Speaker 2>things type like cloud, just pure black, and I thought

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<v Speaker 2>were screwed because everybody, not only me, the DEAs guys,

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<v Speaker 2>Tribune guys, everybody, they were trying to put it home,

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<v Speaker 2>and we you know, looked up and back then, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think the weather on the internet was all that much,

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<v Speaker 2>like it wasn't as accurate as it was now.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're like, all right, let's just brave it.

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<v Speaker 2>So we get in our car and we start to

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<v Speaker 2>drive home, and within like an hour, it is like

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<v Speaker 2>the worst blizzard I've ever been a part of.

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<v Speaker 3>It was so bad.

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<v Speaker 2>It got so cold so fast that the roads the

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<v Speaker 2>roads had about like six inches of solid ice on top.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're stuck because there was an accident. Obviously, we're

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<v Speaker 2>stuck between Laramie and Rock Springs, Wyoming, and is calling

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<v Speaker 2>us because they were a little ahead of us, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was like, did you get through? And I was like, no, man,

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<v Speaker 2>we're stuck. And he was like, all right, well just

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<v Speaker 2>keep calling me to make sure you guys are all right,

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<v Speaker 2>because like we you know, you can't like just run

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<v Speaker 2>your car. You're gonna burn gas. And we don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how long we're going to be there. The temperatures are dropping.

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<v Speaker 2>It's insane, Like I got out on the highway. Was

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<v Speaker 2>just like a sheet device. It was like a hockey arena.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the wildest thing. So for hours and hours

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<v Speaker 2>on end we had to sit there. Eventually we got going.

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<v Speaker 2>We got to Rock Springs at like four thirty am,

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<v Speaker 2>and I vowed that I would never ever, in a

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<v Speaker 2>million years go back to Laramie again.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, to your point, the good news is this is

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<v Speaker 1>September thirteenth.

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<v Speaker 3>Does that matter though it's sixty six degrees.

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<v Speaker 1>In februarying, I guess nothing is real. I learned which

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<v Speaker 1>I did not know. Maybe I should if this game

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<v Speaker 1>has been on the schedule for like ten years. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and so is this the final? Like, hey, okay, we

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<v Speaker 1>did the thing. The deal is complete and no more

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<v Speaker 1>of this nonsense.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, considering this was made when Utah was a

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<v Speaker 2>Pac twelve team. A a home game versus Wyoming makes

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<v Speaker 2>sense because Wyoming is traditionally a decent Mountain West Conference team.

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<v Speaker 2>It is not a bad schedule and it's not a

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<v Speaker 2>bad team to have on your schedule. The trip to

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<v Speaker 2>Laramie can be tricky, man, it can be Harry. I

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<v Speaker 2>know by you handled it last year.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's that bad frankly for a Utah

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<v Speaker 2>team that does not have a ton of great road games.

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<v Speaker 2>With this upcoming twenty twenty five schedule, it's like two

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<v Speaker 2>out of the three first games you can go to

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<v Speaker 2>and they make sense. Pasadena in August, which is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be great, probably hot, and then Laramie in September

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<v Speaker 2>it'll still be green.

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<v Speaker 3>You can what can you do in Laramie?

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<v Speaker 1>Wrong? Got ath Lyne jays all over the place?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I would assume that I'm not the type

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<v Speaker 2>of person that can just walk into any sort of

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<v Speaker 2>establishment in Laramie and be welcomed with open arms.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe wish I could argue with that. Maybe probably probably

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<v Speaker 1>following on that one.

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<v Speaker 3>But cool stadium, I'll say, I don't have you been there?

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<v Speaker 1>Not for years?

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting stadium? Yeah, if you're looking to splash your cash,

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<v Speaker 2>is it like, do you want to drive whatever it

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<v Speaker 2>is six or seven hours Selaramie or do you want

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<v Speaker 2>to say for a five thousand dollars trip to Morgantown

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<v Speaker 2>because you got a flight to Pittsburgh.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, again, we are the wrong people. Ask with that

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<v Speaker 1>guy in there. Porters is out front facing excited. Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>about the.

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<v Speaker 3>App Man on the Street.

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<v Speaker 2>Man on the Street interviews every single day, calling in

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<v Speaker 2>live hits.

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<v Speaker 1>So what is uh, what what is calling your heart

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<v Speaker 1>about this potential September weekend trip to Laramie.

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<v Speaker 4>I just like the the open skies of Wyoming, I guess, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean, listen when you get out on the planes. I've

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<v Speaker 2>driven through there multiple times in the summer. It is

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<v Speaker 2>something to behold like from like a this we're at there.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what elevation they're at. They're at very

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<v Speaker 2>high elevation. It's just like the planes, and you're like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>this is like very much the most secluded Division one

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like that.

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<v Speaker 1>What will you be doing with your free time when

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<v Speaker 4>I've been to Laramie for one football game. I've been

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<v Speaker 2>See if there's a rodeo, I'm down right like you

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to go, I do not, but I will

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<v Speaker 1>support the two of you in your endeavors. Headed to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about road trip options. We already talked about Pasadena.

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<v Speaker 1>We just got into Laramie, all due respect. Then it's Morgantown, Provo, Waco, Texas, Lawrence, Kansas.

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<v Speaker 3>Never been to any of those places?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, I know a lot of good places

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<v Speaker 2>to a place that's not in Provo. The Purple Turtle.

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<v Speaker 1>So hit up the Purple Turtle on the way to

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<v Speaker 3>And it makes sense. Purple.

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<v Speaker 2>it's a perfect place for people.

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<v Speaker 1>To meet any gut feel on uh BYU next year,

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<v Speaker 1>like top preseason, top twenty five. Where do you think BYU.

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<v Speaker 2>Land fifteen fifteen. I'm trying to think how many guys

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to lose to the draft. They didn't lose

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<v Speaker 1>Honor Pay graduated, Baddie graduated.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean so like they have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>they're arguably one of their best defensive players in Connor Was.

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<v Speaker 2>that's a huge get. Jake Retzlov has another year in

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<v Speaker 2>aeron system. They still have a bunch of weapons. Chase

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<v Speaker 2>out to be one of the better defensive teams in

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<v Speaker 2>the Big twelve. I don't know what their non con

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<v Speaker 2>schedule is like in twenty twenty five. You might have

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<v Speaker 1>You talking about BYU, Yeah, yes, I will pull it up.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like Portland's not it's not all that. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>Portland State, they have to go to East Carolina. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a tricky one that finishes their deal with them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a tricky game.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's Portland State. They have Portland State in Provo,

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<v Speaker 2>That's a pretty decent non con schedule if you think

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<v Speaker 2>about it. I mean, I know, Stanford is no world

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<v Speaker 2>beater at the moment, Andrew Luck is back at his

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<v Speaker 2>alma mater trying to to build things as the pseudo

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<v Speaker 2>GM of the football program. But Stanford here and then

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<v Speaker 2>at East Carolina, I mean, there are worse non conference schedules.

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<v Speaker 1>BYU is on the road quite a bit as I'm

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<v Speaker 1>reading this. So Portland State home, Stanford home, bye week out,

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<v Speaker 1>East Carolina at Colorado home against West Virginia at Arizona

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<v Speaker 1>home against Utah, and then yeah Jack Trice for Iowa State,

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<v Speaker 3>Those are tough games.

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<v Speaker 1>TCU at home, Cincinnati on the road, UCF at home, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you couldn't schedule Utah November twenty ninth because you had

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<v Speaker 1>to fit in UCF. That's BYU's final game.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was Utah's final game this year, right, don't,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I mean, I'm sure trying to get everybody

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<v Speaker 2>somewhat pleased with a sixteen team schedule is near impossible.

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<v Speaker 2>But again, if you're the Big Twelve, this is is

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<v Speaker 2>there a outside of Arizona State in Arizona? Is there

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<v Speaker 2>another rivalry within this conference?

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<v Speaker 3>Right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Pay State, Kansas?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean those are your three. Yeah, but I maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I'm biased here. I feel like the casuals will turn

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<v Speaker 2>in for Utah BYU way more than Arizona Arizona State.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and again based off of the debut of that

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<v Speaker 1>game in the Big Twelve last year, just checked every box.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the one thing that's certainly puzzling Dion. Without Shador,

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<v Speaker 1>what does Colorado look like? You know? They they had

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<v Speaker 1>Travis and Travis Hunter. They according to what I read

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<v Speaker 1>this morning, they have the number one QB transfer.

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<v Speaker 3>They got Caden Psalter from Liberty.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's another and Juju Lewis, who was a five

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<v Speaker 2>star kid who was committed to USC for a very

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<v Speaker 2>long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that was the kid I read about. So obviously

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<v Speaker 1>Dion has shown he can get talent. But now that

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<v Speaker 1>you know Travis Hunter and his kid is, they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to move on? What's both U town buy? You have

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<v Speaker 1>Colorado next year? What do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is the great question that a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people who followed Dion Sanders and follow Colorad are

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<v Speaker 2>wondering is for so long Dion was adamant that you

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<v Speaker 2>know the reason why he wanted to do this was

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<v Speaker 2>to coach his sons, and I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people were waiting for the other shoe to drop when

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<v Speaker 2>Shador and Shiloh and Travis graduated and or moved on

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<v Speaker 2>to their professional aspirations. They did a pretty good job.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you land a five star kid, high school kid,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you land one of the best dual threat

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<v Speaker 2>quarterbacks in the portal and Cadence Salter. You could do worse,

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<v Speaker 2>but this it will be a significant step down. I

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<v Speaker 2>think people underestimate how good Shador Sanders was behind a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty bad offensive line again for a second year in

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<v Speaker 2>a row, and I know that's been their priority is

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<v Speaker 2>to beef up the offensive line. I'm fascinated to see

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<v Speaker 2>what their rushing attack looks like. Because I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>Dion was patting Shadoor stats, but you could tell that

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<v Speaker 2>their their best option was to go five wide and

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<v Speaker 2>to have Shador drop back and throw it to Travis

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<v Speaker 2>or a bevy of those you know, future and NFL receivers.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what their schedule looks like. I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>looked at it, but nobody's out of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Man Like.

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<v Speaker 2>If twenty twenty four taught us one thing, everybody's in play,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think they have. I think they have Georgia

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<v Speaker 2>Tech at home to start their non conference schedule, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a great non conference game, but it'll be fascinating,

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<v Speaker 2>man Like. Dion has coached his kids since they were

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<v Speaker 2>nine years old, and it's been like this for.

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<v Speaker 3>Fifteen years.

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<v Speaker 2>And not only like, he literally went from Peewee to

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<v Speaker 2>prep school, to high school, to Jackson State and now

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<v Speaker 2>to Colorado.

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<v Speaker 1>The latest mock, this is Matt Miller's mock, has Shador

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<v Speaker 1>going six in the NFL draft, and that would be

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<v Speaker 1>to the Vegas Raiders. That might be my favorite option.

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<v Speaker 3>There are worse places to go. Listen.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be fascinating to have the ultimate football dad,

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<v Speaker 2>Dion Sanders have to deal with Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, two guys.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he respects a ton for obvious reasons from

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<v Speaker 2>the fit and scheme point of view. For our guy,

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<v Speaker 2>shout out, John Paul Uhud are going to play for

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<v Speaker 2>Chip Kelly. I mean, there are worse offensive minds to

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<v Speaker 2>go play for. I mean, I think I read somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>that the Raiders are going to pay Chip six million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars a year to be there.

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<v Speaker 3>O see.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I guess that's why you leave Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 2>After one which is which is more than Dion is

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<v Speaker 2>making right now at Colorado.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ever think Dion was seriously flirting with Jerry Jones?

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't think so? Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I talked to so many people who covered

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<v Speaker 2>the Cowboys and they were like, listen, nobody is ever

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a bigger star in the room than Jerry.

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry might make it seem like, I mean, who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe he was helping Dion out being able to cultivate

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<v Speaker 2>some leverage in his ongoing renegotiation talks with Colorado because

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<v Speaker 2>Colorado is paying Dion five five point seven million a year,

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<v Speaker 2>right now, that's a that's a bargain, I think, considering

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<v Speaker 2>what he's been able to do in two years. Now

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<v Speaker 2>the hard part comes though, to your point, it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>what does Colorado look like post Shador, post Travis Hunter?

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to see It sounds super cliche, but it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're really going to see what kind of coach Gian is?

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<v Speaker 3>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, for sure? What are you? I know you're

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<v Speaker 1>not a scout, but I'm a scout. Well, I know

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<v Speaker 1>you Gran Ta Okay, I know you're Gran Tape. No,

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<v Speaker 1>a're a ball I'm ready should during the NFL? How

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that looks? Hmmm?

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<v Speaker 2>Behind a good line, he's he can be really good

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<v Speaker 2>man Like he has like tremendous touch, Like he gets

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<v Speaker 2>the ball out so fast unless he's running for his life,

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<v Speaker 2>which he did way too often the last two years.

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<v Speaker 2>But it yeah, in the right system where he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have to throw it forty five times. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>can be good if he goes to a team that

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<v Speaker 2>has an offensive mind at the helm, that understands how

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<v Speaker 2>they want to play, and if they have a def

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<v Speaker 2>all those things generally helps make a quarterback be successful.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's just say like him going to the Raiders,

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<v Speaker 2>which is even crazy to say like that to me,

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<v Speaker 2>would say like Chador will have more success as opposed

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<v Speaker 2>to going to the Titans at one, or the Giants

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<v Speaker 2>at whatever number they're at, or even the Browns. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to a guy

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<v Speaker 2>like Pete Carroll who's won a Super Bowl and has

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<v Speaker 2>been to several Super Bowls, and a guy like Chip

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<v Speaker 2>Kelly who just led Ohio State to a national title.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to have somebody who understands what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's not the case for Chador. It's it's for

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<v Speaker 2>every quarterback. So where's cam Ward gonna go? Is cam

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<v Speaker 2>Ward going to go to Tennessee and be successful? I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, man, Like I can't even tell you who's

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Miller has cam Ward off the board of three

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<v Speaker 1>to the Giants. Okay, they need a quarterback, I would

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<v Speaker 1>argue Tennessee needs one too. Abdual Carter the Edge Russia

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<v Speaker 1>for the number one pick, Travis Hunter off the board

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<v Speaker 1>of two, cam Ward three, Mason Graham a tackle at four,

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<v Speaker 1>Will Johnson, the Michigan quarterback, corner back at five, then

425
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<v Speaker 1>Shador at six. Any like Jayden Daniels comps there well

426
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<v Speaker 1>to see what Jayden did this year. I mean Shador

427
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<v Speaker 1>at times there's a little bit of they're built the same,

428
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<v Speaker 1>They're very similar.

429
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<v Speaker 2>With their Jayden's way more of a like a dual threat. Yeah,

430
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<v Speaker 2>Like Shador can take off and run if he needs to,

431
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<v Speaker 2>but he's way more content staying in the pocket and

432
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<v Speaker 2>waiting for routes to open up. And he's really good

433
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<v Speaker 2>at delivering the ball on time in you know, difficult,

434
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<v Speaker 2>difficult circum circumstances. Jayden, I mean, nobody saw it coming.

435
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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's like I remember my year on the

436
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<v Speaker 2>beat for the Athletic I think was the year that

437
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<v Speaker 2>Asu was here, and it was like that rainy day

438
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<v Speaker 2>and Utah's defense just really made him look like the

439
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<v Speaker 2>true freshman that he was. And then he goes to

440
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<v Speaker 2>LSU and everything kind of pops off, and then he

441
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<v Speaker 2>goes to the NFL and has an MVP caliber type

442
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<v Speaker 2>season in his rookie year. I think we have to

443
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<v Speaker 2>be careful with the comps because he set the bar

444
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<v Speaker 2>so high. So does Shador have the capability to be

445
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<v Speaker 2>as good as Jaden? I don't know, but he's he

446
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<v Speaker 2>can be a good quarterback if he finds the right team.

447
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<v Speaker 1>And I do think the Raiders fit is somewhat interesting.

448
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<v Speaker 1>And you know, honestly, yeah, face value. I always kind

449
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<v Speaker 1>of roll my eyes when I hear a parent say, well,

450
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<v Speaker 1>I will not let my son play for this franchise,

451
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<v Speaker 1>or you know, we're going to step in to make

452
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<v Speaker 1>sure that he has the best chance of succeeding. But

453
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<v Speaker 1>it's happened so many times over the.

454
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<v Speaker 2>Years, and Wheneverie not going to Sandy.

455
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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely and then John Elway back in the day, like

456
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<v Speaker 1>and so, I don't believe Zach Wilson was going to

457
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<v Speaker 1>be a great NFL quarterback anywhere he landed. But I

458
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<v Speaker 1>always thought Sam Darnold had in him what he did

459
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<v Speaker 1>this year in minnesot To, and when the Jets drafted

460
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<v Speaker 1>him as a Jets fan, I'm like, all right, we

461
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<v Speaker 1>got our guy.

462
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<v Speaker 3>You want him to bring him home.

463
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<v Speaker 1>I would love that, really, I would love that for me.

464
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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't love it for Donald because ultimately, whether it's

465
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<v Speaker 1>Sam Donald Zach Wilson. I'll leave Aaron Rodgers out of this.

466
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<v Speaker 1>I would I would get it like if if my

467
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<v Speaker 1>son Connor was the potential number one pick in the

468
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<v Speaker 1>draft and the Jets had the number one pick in

469
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<v Speaker 1>the draft, even though as a Jets fan, I think

470
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<v Speaker 1>I'd be tempted to be involved to get him to

471
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<v Speaker 1>a place where he has the best chance to succeed

472
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<v Speaker 1>long term. Zack essentially is out of the league and

473
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<v Speaker 1>Sam luckily had enough, He had enough coaches who.

474
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<v Speaker 2>Got to go to San Francisco and sit behind. Yeah,

475
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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a huge.

476
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<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of smart football people that love

477
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<v Speaker 1>Sam Donald, and I don't think Zach had that going

478
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<v Speaker 1>for him. I don't mcveigha him a shot, but he

479
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<v Speaker 1>was third string all year and I'm not even sure

480
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<v Speaker 1>that they'll be in the league next year, So I've

481
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<v Speaker 1>kind of changed my tune. Like, if you're a father

482
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<v Speaker 1>and you have a chance to influence what will chart

483
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<v Speaker 1>the course of your son's future, you do that, even

484
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<v Speaker 1>if it's getting involved to make sure that he lands

485
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<v Speaker 1>with the Raiders to play for Pete Carroll as opposed

486
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<v Speaker 1>to the Titans or whatever. It is I would kind

487
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<v Speaker 1>of understand if Dion wanted to flex his muscles a

488
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<v Speaker 1>little bit, Oh.

489
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, without a doubt.

490
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<v Speaker 2>And he has the clout and the type of way

491
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<v Speaker 2>that I think if he when he talks, people listen

492
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<v Speaker 2>like I think when you have the type of career

493
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<v Speaker 2>and the personality like Dion, your words go a long way.

494
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<v Speaker 3>And Chador too.

495
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like being around those guys for the last

496
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<v Speaker 2>couple of years, it is not hard to see that

497
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<v Speaker 2>the apple hasn't fallen too far from the Treatly, those

498
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<v Speaker 2>guys are totally understanding of life as a professional athlete,

499
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<v Speaker 2>even at you know, the time they were teenagers, all

500
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<v Speaker 2>the way up until now. You can make an argument

501
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<v Speaker 2>that nobody's ever been more prepared from a social standpoint

502
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<v Speaker 2>being in a locker room understanding the ins and outs

503
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<v Speaker 2>of being a professional than Shaudor because he's been around

504
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<v Speaker 2>his dad his entire life, and his dad has kind

505
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<v Speaker 2>of treated him as such. So yeah, it's going to

506
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<v Speaker 2>be an interesting top part of the draft because I'm

507
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<v Speaker 2>no expert, but I don't know if the Cleveland Browns

508
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<v Speaker 2>or the Tennessee Titans are the type of franchise where

509
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<v Speaker 2>you want to go in and become the savior.

510
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<v Speaker 3>Maybe.

511
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you can become the savior of the

512
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<v Speaker 2>Cleveland Browns, you'll walk on water. But that's that's easier

513
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<v Speaker 2>said than done. Shiloh Pro is his other kid, a

514
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<v Speaker 2>pro special teamer. I mean he might get a late

515
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<v Speaker 2>round draft or an undrafted free agent.

516
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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, all right, Utah schedule release, Big twelve schedule release.

517
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<v Speaker 1>We have Chris Camaraddi live in studio. We'll do a

518
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<v Speaker 1>little bit more a college football cks on the college

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<v Speaker 1>football side of things for the athletic Deep tracks Snow

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<v Speaker 1>Outside Away from the World twenty twelve. But I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that's just me because I'm an expert. But we do

522
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<v Speaker 1>follow the Andy Bernard rule. Deep tracks, no hits. Did

523
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<v Speaker 1>you see our guy and the band let's get his

524
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<v Speaker 1>mic out. Our guy and the band be inducted into

525
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<v Speaker 1>the Hall of Fame to ask you this already.

526
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<v Speaker 3>I think we talked about this a few weeks ago.

527
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<v Speaker 3>Rock and roll.

528
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, don't remember what ad for breakfast this morning. We're

529
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<v Speaker 1>just talking off air. Nothing is real now, but Chris

530
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<v Speaker 1>Camerani is live in studio four o'clock hour. Look, I

531
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<v Speaker 1>know you're not an NBA guy. Okay, and I know

532
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<v Speaker 1>that you're plugging in a college football. We'll get back

533
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<v Speaker 1>to little college football in a bit. But what has

534
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<v Speaker 1>happened this week in pro basketball is truly historic and

535
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<v Speaker 1>it's never happened before. But for a guy like you,

536
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<v Speaker 1>who once upon a time maybe watch a little more

537
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<v Speaker 1>pro basketball than he does now, and the data is

538
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<v Speaker 1>in man, no matter what you want to spin as

539
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<v Speaker 1>an NBA employee or an NBA person, less people are

540
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<v Speaker 1>simply watching pro basketball. They just are. I have my

541
00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:44.279
<v Speaker 1>own theories about it. And as we approach the end

542
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<v Speaker 1>of football season super Bowl, you know, the Sunday, and

543
00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:49.680
<v Speaker 1>then we move into football offseason, the numbers will grow.

544
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<v Speaker 1>They always do. But does news like this reverberate with

545
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<v Speaker 1>you at all? That Luka Doncich, a twenty five year

546
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<v Speaker 1>old generationally special players been traded to the Lakers. Does

547
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<v Speaker 1>that do anything for a non NBA guy like yourself.

548
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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna risk myself sounding super nerdy, but like to me,

549
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<v Speaker 2>I'm way more fascinated like what ends up being reported,

550
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<v Speaker 2>like how how each side basically tries to construct and

551
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<v Speaker 2>control various narratives as to why something's happened and why

552
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<v Speaker 2>some things didn't.

553
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<v Speaker 3>I did.

554
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<v Speaker 2>I like to listen to press conferences because one I

555
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<v Speaker 2>think for reporters it's really important to learn to ask simple, succinct,

556
00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:39.799
<v Speaker 2>easy questions, but with meaning. And I watched some of

557
00:26:40.599 --> 00:26:44.640
<v Speaker 2>Luka Doncic and Rob Polinka's press conference today and you

558
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<v Speaker 2>know a lot of those guys, you know, you have

559
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<v Speaker 2>some of these guys on your show, did it? We're

560
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<v Speaker 2>pretty direct in asking Luca and Rob like some of

561
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<v Speaker 2>these theories of why Luca got traded and why.

562
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<v Speaker 3>He might have been on the block.

563
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<v Speaker 2>And it's fascinating to me in this world where and

564
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<v Speaker 2>I'm obviously as a reporter myself, like you have to

565
00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:07.920
<v Speaker 2>try to always tell the truth and find the right

566
00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:11.160
<v Speaker 2>people to talk to. But yeah, and the meat in

567
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:13.799
<v Speaker 2>the Meeta aftermath, I was wondering, like, who who is

568
00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:15.920
<v Speaker 2>going to take control of the spin zone with this?

569
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<v Speaker 2>And immediately I was texting my brother in law, who's

570
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<v Speaker 2>a diehard Mavericks fan, and I was like asking him,

571
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<v Speaker 2>I was like, how do you explain this to Sasha,

572
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:27.720
<v Speaker 2>my nephew who's who's nine and loves and loves the

573
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<v Speaker 2>MAVs like they live in northern California. They went and

574
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<v Speaker 2>saw Luca play in Sacramento like two months ago. He

575
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<v Speaker 2>has a Luca jersey. I was like, how do you

576
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:37.000
<v Speaker 2>explain this to him? And he was like, it's hard, man,

577
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:39.160
<v Speaker 2>like this is this is part of the dad life

578
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:41.680
<v Speaker 2>where it's like, yeah, sometimes things don't work out.

579
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

580
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<v Speaker 3>But then I told him.

581
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<v Speaker 2>I was like, hey, well, I mean that you can

582
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<v Speaker 2>look at it from like a glass half full point

583
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<v Speaker 2>of view, And I said, you could tell him, and

584
00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:50.799
<v Speaker 2>you can tell me if this is wrong. But like,

585
00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:53.440
<v Speaker 2>aren't the MAVs in theory going to be a better

586
00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:59.960
<v Speaker 2>team this year on paper with Anthony Davis then if

587
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<v Speaker 2>if healthy, then with Luca and Kyrie.

588
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, potentially, Okay, I would say no, just because Luca.

589
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<v Speaker 1>I've never really seen a player at Luca's age impact

590
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:14.799
<v Speaker 1>the game the way he impacts it. In five years,

591
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:17.960
<v Speaker 1>five first team All NBA selections, five All Star Games,

592
00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:21.279
<v Speaker 1>he was thirty five, eleven and nine last year in

593
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:24.000
<v Speaker 1>the playoffs and led them to the finals. He actually

594
00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:26.359
<v Speaker 1>led the NBA in minutes played if you combine the

595
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.839
<v Speaker 1>regular season in the postseason last year, mile like, he

596
00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:32.160
<v Speaker 1>must be such a royal pain in the ass. It's

597
00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:35.039
<v Speaker 1>the only thing that makes sense from a basketball standpoint,

598
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:37.680
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't make sense at all in my opinion. Now

599
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:40.839
<v Speaker 1>maybe it frees up Kyrie a little bit. And Anthony

600
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<v Speaker 1>Davis is really good. I mean, Luca is so good

601
00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:45.680
<v Speaker 1>that we're talking about Anthony Davis like he's Curtis Borcher,

602
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:47.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, the big the jazz here that had horrible feed.

603
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:49.279
<v Speaker 1>He's a really good player.

604
00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:50.200
<v Speaker 3>Ben han logged in.

605
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<v Speaker 1>Good shout out. Ben hand logged in Onto Tuesday. It's

606
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:54.759
<v Speaker 1>never a bad time to get a Ben hand logged

607
00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:58.880
<v Speaker 1>and shout out. And maybe it ups there, you know.

608
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<v Speaker 1>Bottom line this year a little bit, but moving forward,

609
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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm not a conspiracy theory guy, you know that.

610
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<v Speaker 1>And usually when somebody is, I kind of roll my eyes,

611
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:11.799
<v Speaker 1>whether it's sports or politics or religion. But the Lakers

612
00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:16.960
<v Speaker 1>man wilt to Kareem. Kareem's your bridge, Kareem to Magic.

613
00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:19.640
<v Speaker 1>Magic was your bridge, Magic to Shaq and Kobe. There's

614
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<v Speaker 1>your bridge, Kobe and Shack to.

615
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<v Speaker 3>Lebron, Kobe and Shack to Kobe and Powell.

616
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<v Speaker 1>Correct, correct, Chay, just another bridge. And now the bridge

617
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<v Speaker 1>is Lebron to Luca and it's the if you're a

618
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:34.119
<v Speaker 1>Lakers fan, it is the perfect you could not have

619
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:37.640
<v Speaker 1>hand picked a better player to step in and run

620
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:40.359
<v Speaker 1>your team after Lebron is done, whether that's this year

621
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<v Speaker 1>or the year after. Lebron has a player option to

622
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<v Speaker 1>play for the Lakers for one more year. My guess

623
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:47.759
<v Speaker 1>is he probably wants to play for one more year.

624
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:49.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean, as he already got his kid in the

625
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:51.880
<v Speaker 1>league and poor kid can't play. I kind of feel

626
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<v Speaker 1>bad for him, But ultimately I think you get Lebron

627
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<v Speaker 1>for one year next to Luca. We'll see how that works.

628
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<v Speaker 1>There's some redundancy, but that's the type of redundance you

629
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<v Speaker 1>want because they're both brilliant and they're both geniuses with

630
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<v Speaker 1>making decisions.

631
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<v Speaker 2>Has there ever been redundancy at that level in the

632
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<v Speaker 2>NBA and have it worked to a championship level?

633
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<v Speaker 1>Good question. I mean, when you think about teams with

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of great like heatles, you know, I was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say, the one interesting thing you talked about is

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<v Speaker 1>Lebron played with peak Dwayne Wade, like in his prime

637
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<v Speaker 1>Dwayne Waight right, and those two figured it out right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so I've never been I've always pushed back on

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<v Speaker 1>the whole, like, well, they both need the ball, so

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<v Speaker 1>they can't play together like no.

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<v Speaker 2>Especially in today's NBA works, it's like, just try to

642
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<v Speaker 2>just use your skill to get open. Nobody's running these

643
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<v Speaker 2>complex sets. It's like, give no outset the screen, get

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<v Speaker 2>around him.

645
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<v Speaker 1>Give me the talents, and then we'll figure it out.

646
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<v Speaker 1>I've always been that guy. So even though there is

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of redundancy between the two, there are

648
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<v Speaker 1>two of the top I don't know four or five

649
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<v Speaker 1>decision makers in the history of the game, and at

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five you do not make this trade. It truly

651
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<v Speaker 1>is wild and I haven't talked to anybody around the

652
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<v Speaker 1>league that saw this coming. Everybody is just completely.

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<v Speaker 2>Seeing I think that's like fascinating to me more than

654
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<v Speaker 2>like the encore part my job. It's like, in this

655
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<v Speaker 2>day and age, how did Nico Harrison and Rob Polinka

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<v Speaker 2>basically keep this under wraps? I mean, Rob basically said

657
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<v Speaker 2>in his press conference today he was like, it was

658
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<v Speaker 2>made clear that if this got out, if this was

659
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<v Speaker 2>leaked at all, we would not go.

660
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<v Speaker 3>Forward with this trade. YEA.

661
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:21.119
<v Speaker 2>So it was basically two old friends that knew each

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<v Speaker 2>other going back to their you know, Rob's Rob days

663
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<v Speaker 2>with with Kobe and Nico's days at Nike and ownership

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<v Speaker 2>groups obviously, but yeah, what's it going to do for

665
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:35.000
<v Speaker 2>the league though? That's that's my points Like to you,

666
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:36.440
<v Speaker 2>I asked you that off there, and you're like, people

667
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<v Speaker 2>will maybe watch more Lakers games.

668
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but like, what do you think Rob Polinka does

669
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<v Speaker 1>a night when he's not working. There's something off about

670
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<v Speaker 1>that dude. He was dressed like he was the lead

671
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<v Speaker 1>singer of a bad Bond Jovie band for the press conference.

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<v Speaker 1>There's something jail.

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<v Speaker 2>The jail pointed downward is the is the first question

674
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<v Speaker 2>that I have that the tight leather jacket unzipped on

675
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<v Speaker 2>both ends a little bit. It was a secondary one.

676
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<v Speaker 2>But listen, man, like, when you're living that la elite lifestyle,

677
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<v Speaker 2>you got to keep up with the with the joneses.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, if you go to the Viper Room on

679
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<v Speaker 1>a random Tuesday morning at like one am, there's a

680
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<v Speaker 1>chance Polinka just comes limping out of the restaurant.

681
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<v Speaker 2>You don't You don't think he's, you know, playing some

682
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<v Speaker 2>pickup on Santa Monica.

683
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:22.039
<v Speaker 1>No, I get vibes from him. The bodies are buried somewhere.

684
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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna lie. He's a good rob. Blow he

685
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:28.240
<v Speaker 1>does look a lot like blah, but but but ultimately

686
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:31.000
<v Speaker 1>does this up the bottom line of interest for the league?

687
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, over the past twenty four or forty eight hours,

688
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<v Speaker 1>the highest downloaded articles on ESPNS dot com or all

689
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<v Speaker 1>this Luca is this Luca trade. Everybody's talking about it,

690
00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:45.519
<v Speaker 1>all right? Moving over to our local pro basketball team.

691
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<v Speaker 1>When you're at a family gathering or you're hanging out

692
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<v Speaker 1>with friends and they know that you cover sports, what

693
00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:52.599
<v Speaker 1>what do they ask you? What do they say to

694
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<v Speaker 1>you about you get me free tickets? Outside of of

695
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:57.279
<v Speaker 1>course being mooches, because they all are, but outside of

696
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:00.400
<v Speaker 1>wanting pre jazz tickets? What? What's the jazz taker on town?

697
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<v Speaker 3>Right now?

698
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<v Speaker 1>It's tough, isn't It's a tough scene.

699
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<v Speaker 3>I think, apoplectic, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if there is a vibe right now,

701
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<v Speaker 2>I think, and again for if there is a faction

702
00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:17.440
<v Speaker 2>of jazz fans that are frustrated that the franchise is

703
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:21.079
<v Speaker 2>where it is, I'll give my unsolicited opinion that people

704
00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:22.880
<v Speaker 2>don't care about It's like they're doing what they're supposed

705
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:28.519
<v Speaker 2>to be doing. Listen, Like, even if you would have

706
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<v Speaker 2>been able to keep Rudy or keep Donovan, one of

707
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:33.079
<v Speaker 2>those guys. If you would have been able to build

708
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:36.039
<v Speaker 2>around the edges, those guys weren't going to be able

709
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<v Speaker 2>to compete with some of these teams that have been

710
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<v Speaker 2>constructed in the Western Conference right now.

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<v Speaker 3>They just couldn't.

712
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<v Speaker 2>Like I wouldn't take those guys over Memphis over the

713
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:48.839
<v Speaker 2>young Houston team obviously. Okay, see, like the list is

714
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<v Speaker 2>pretty long, so and and I guess I'm gonna bob

715
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<v Speaker 2>and weave a little bit. Going back to Luca. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the reason why people are so upset in

717
00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:04.039
<v Speaker 2>Dallas is because they probably realized that they struck lottery twice.

718
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<v Speaker 2>They had Dirk and then I don't know how many

719
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:09.719
<v Speaker 2>years between Dirk and Luca, but it couldn't have been

720
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<v Speaker 2>more than two handful.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say, did Dirk play with Luca one year?

722
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:15.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I mean maybe we can get our guy to.

723
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:19.280
<v Speaker 1>Check ESPN Stats and info or guy like it.

724
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<v Speaker 2>Just doesn't happen in this league. So the fact that

725
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:26.079
<v Speaker 2>you had a player like that on your team the

726
00:34:26.119 --> 00:34:28.639
<v Speaker 2>face of the franchise, it's so difficult to land those

727
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<v Speaker 2>guys in the first place. And I'm not even comparing

728
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<v Speaker 2>Luca to Donovan because we know Luca is a generational player,

729
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<v Speaker 2>and Donovan's a good he's a good NBA player, He's

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<v Speaker 2>an one.

731
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<v Speaker 1>One season together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it is so hard, especially in markets that

733
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<v Speaker 2>aren't LA and not you know, New York. But that

734
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<v Speaker 2>being said, if you do look at the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the powers that be now, it's in the East Eastern

736
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<v Speaker 2>Conference obviously Boston, but Cleveland, Milwaukee, not destination towns. Oklahoma City, Houston,

737
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<v Speaker 2>Memphis in the West, not destination places. It's all about

738
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<v Speaker 2>how you build, and the Jazz have to build and

739
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:08.599
<v Speaker 2>they we honestly don't know if they have any building

740
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<v Speaker 2>blocks right now beyond lowry marketing. I guess you could

741
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:15.239
<v Speaker 2>make an argument for Walker Kessler. Yeah, but your two

742
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:19.400
<v Speaker 2>bigs in twenty twenty five do not solve your problem

743
00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:23.000
<v Speaker 2>because the game is now, who are your six foot seven,

744
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:24.960
<v Speaker 2>six foot eight, six foot nine wing players and the

745
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:26.599
<v Speaker 2>Jazz need to find those well.

746
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<v Speaker 1>And to your point about this not necessarily happening very

747
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:34.920
<v Speaker 1>often in pro basketball, you just have to rely on

748
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:38.599
<v Speaker 1>savvy planning and then luck. You just have to like

749
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<v Speaker 1>because it has happened in other places, it just hasn't

750
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:45.440
<v Speaker 1>happened here. The only time the Jazz have been built

751
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:47.800
<v Speaker 1>correctly and they've been able to win at a high level.

752
00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:51.760
<v Speaker 1>You had some very smart talent evaluators find some very

753
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<v Speaker 1>very high value in places in the draft that you

754
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:56.679
<v Speaker 1>don't typically find it. John and Carl mid late first round,

755
00:35:57.199 --> 00:35:59.840
<v Speaker 1>go Baar twenty seven, Donovan late lottery even Hayward late

756
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:03.760
<v Speaker 1>Millsap second round, like most of our best players, if

757
00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:06.719
<v Speaker 1>not all of our best players. Darren top five pick,

758
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:10.880
<v Speaker 1>but he's the outlier right anytime they like they I

759
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:13.519
<v Speaker 1>think Cantor was the third pick, like that was you

760
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:17.400
<v Speaker 1>blew that one. But most of the value they found

761
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:20.360
<v Speaker 1>have been mid lottery lad first round, sometimes in the

762
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<v Speaker 1>second round. And when you look at the markets to

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<v Speaker 1>your point where you have to be analogous with Salt

764
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<v Speaker 1>Lake Denver, was your cousin who drove up to Idaho

765
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<v Speaker 1>and about the lottery ticket and then the powerball numbers

766
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<v Speaker 1>hit because they got Jokich at forty three and is

767
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.280
<v Speaker 1>the best player in the world. Milwaukee Yiannis mid first round.

768
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<v Speaker 1>You know, so something like that needs to fall into

769
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<v Speaker 1>place for the Jazz.

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00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:45.440
<v Speaker 3>And you need a couple huge dominoes.

771
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and the most likely way to do that in

772
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<v Speaker 1>a market like Salt Lake is simply having a top

773
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<v Speaker 1>pick like san Antonio did. I always draw the San

774
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:58.199
<v Speaker 1>Antonio example. I have done this for years because people

775
00:36:58.239 --> 00:36:59.920
<v Speaker 1>will say, well, you can't do it in Salt Lake.

776
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, have you been to San Antonio tape?

777
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:04.159
<v Speaker 3>Man? I like san Antono.

778
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:05.800
<v Speaker 1>I liked it in the first couple of times, and

779
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:07.920
<v Speaker 1>it's like, Okay, are we doing nachos in the river

780
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:09.119
<v Speaker 1>walk again? Okay?

781
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:11.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm with you. The tech, the text mex if

782
00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:14.559
<v Speaker 2>you find the right spots there. But yes, I'm with you.

783
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So I would prefer saw Lake over San Antonio.

784
00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Then when you look at the you know, the media numbers,

785
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:24.320
<v Speaker 1>they're a smaller market than we are. But san Antonio

786
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:27.880
<v Speaker 1>David Robinson first overall pick, Tim Duncan, first overall pick.

787
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<v Speaker 1>You talk about Laker bridges. Okay, now we have San

788
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Antonio bridges, and now they have Victor Wemmen. Yeah, I'm

789
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<v Speaker 1>a number one overall pick. They had three opportunities to

790
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:36.639
<v Speaker 1>draft the number one player overall and they've knocked it

791
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:38.559
<v Speaker 1>out of the park all three times. And the Jazz

792
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:40.400
<v Speaker 1>have never had the number one overall pick. It just

793
00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:42.880
<v Speaker 1>is going to take a Little San Antonio time Lady. Luck.

794
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:47.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they've They've chosen wisely when it comes to choosing

795
00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:49.800
<v Speaker 2>to be bad, right, because I think the year that

796
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:53.960
<v Speaker 2>they chose Duncan, I think Robinson was really hurt. The

797
00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:57.119
<v Speaker 2>year before was it the lockout.

798
00:37:56.800 --> 00:37:59.079
<v Speaker 1>No, No, the lockout year was the year they won

799
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:01.880
<v Speaker 1>the title over Trell Springs, arou Al in Houston and

800
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:04.920
<v Speaker 1>the New York Knickerbockers. But the year Duncan was a

801
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<v Speaker 1>senior at Wake Forest. As the story goes, David Robinson

802
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:10.199
<v Speaker 1>reported a camp and he was like, hey, I'm good,

803
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:12.199
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, well, actually you're not.

804
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<v Speaker 3>Not.

805
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, your back really hurts, and so he wanted to

806
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<v Speaker 1>play that year and they basically said, just watch this

807
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:20.320
<v Speaker 1>kid at wake Forest. That's why you're not playing it.

808
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:23.360
<v Speaker 1>But again, you need the lottery luck. Yeah, best laid

809
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:25.360
<v Speaker 1>plans a side seek. Yeah, you still need the luck

810
00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:26.079
<v Speaker 1>to follow your way.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny if that's true that they told like the

812
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<v Speaker 2>most in shape giant human in the history of the world.

813
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:36.320
<v Speaker 2>Like I remember like in Awe of David Robinson who

814
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:38.400
<v Speaker 2>was like seven to one and was like cut like

815
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<v Speaker 2>a bodybuilder and the stuff that he could do. But Anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>my question to you, and this is where we're getting

817
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:47.519
<v Speaker 2>really sports talk radio, why doesn't the NBA follow the

818
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:51.239
<v Speaker 2>NFL model where the worst team gets the best top pick. Like,

819
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<v Speaker 2>do you think there's a world in which the NBA

820
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:54.960
<v Speaker 2>could go that route?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, once upon a time that was talked about, and

822
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<v Speaker 1>the fear is that too many teams tams would just

823
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:03.400
<v Speaker 1>be unserious. Well that's what they're always they're doing.

824
00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:04.039
<v Speaker 3>Anyways.

825
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:06.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the NBA would tell you their spin is

826
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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to avoid the tanking that is so clearly happening.

827
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:09.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

828
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<v Speaker 2>The irony to me is that in the NFL, I'm

829
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<v Speaker 2>sure there are some tankers, but like, for the most part,

830
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:20.480
<v Speaker 2>people are trying way harder than in the NBA. And

831
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<v Speaker 2>the NBA has the lottery system. It's just iron Yeah.

832
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:26.599
<v Speaker 1>The way the NFL is set up, really top to

833
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:31.480
<v Speaker 1>bottom is a better business model. It's not as favorable

834
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:34.440
<v Speaker 1>to the players, right, And so this is an unpopular take.

835
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:38.079
<v Speaker 1>If if a pro athletes listening to the show, because really,

836
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:43.880
<v Speaker 1>the guaranteed contracts in pro basketball change the way players

837
00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:47.239
<v Speaker 1>decided to approach their job. There was a time, Chris,

838
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:50.519
<v Speaker 1>where NBA players honestly needed paychecks on the first and

839
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:53.280
<v Speaker 1>the fifteenth of every month, and if they didn't show

840
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:57.360
<v Speaker 1>up and play in games, they weren't paid right, and

841
00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:01.079
<v Speaker 1>they needed the money. They really did. Now, what's Lebron

842
00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:03.559
<v Speaker 1>need another dollar for it? And not just Lebron. You

843
00:40:03.639 --> 00:40:05.440
<v Speaker 1>can go down the list. A lot of these players

844
00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:07.440
<v Speaker 1>will never have to work a day in their life,

845
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:11.000
<v Speaker 1>and neither will four generations behind them. And at the

846
00:40:11.079 --> 00:40:12.679
<v Speaker 1>end of the day, that's a good thing because there

847
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:15.360
<v Speaker 1>were too many oligarchs making millions on their backs and

848
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:18.760
<v Speaker 1>so I'm all for the basketball related income split that

849
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:21.480
<v Speaker 1>goes to the players. Now the NFL simply doesn't do that.

850
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.480
<v Speaker 1>There are very few guaranteed deals. There are more now

851
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:26.719
<v Speaker 1>than there used to be, but for the most part,

852
00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:28.159
<v Speaker 1>you got to show up, you got to play hard

853
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:30.360
<v Speaker 1>so you can earn your paycheck. And that leads to teams,

854
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:33.239
<v Speaker 1>even if they're trying not to be great, employing players

855
00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:35.599
<v Speaker 1>that are playing their ass off every week, and that's

856
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:38.119
<v Speaker 1>why you get more parody. It's a better business model

857
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:41.280
<v Speaker 1>for the viewer, which is why the NFL has the

858
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:44.000
<v Speaker 1>best TV show when it comes to sports period. End

859
00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:44.840
<v Speaker 1>of story. It just does.

860
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Do you think if the NBA adopted the worst to

861
00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:52.719
<v Speaker 2>first model. Do you think that would expedite the process

862
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:59.000
<v Speaker 2>of teams teams that need to rebuild faster, like the

863
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Jazz or like the Wizards. Do you think that would

864
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:03.920
<v Speaker 2>help the parody?

865
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Maybe is the answer. It's tough because another model that

866
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:10.599
<v Speaker 1>I've seen thrown around is simply you just cycle it

867
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:13.519
<v Speaker 1>every year, just you know, Okay, the Jazz have the

868
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:15.360
<v Speaker 1>first pick next year, then they go to the thirty

869
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:17.119
<v Speaker 1>second pick next and then they move up, you know,

870
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:19.960
<v Speaker 1>and then they just kind of rotated that way. This

871
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:22.239
<v Speaker 1>is one way where you flatten a lot of the odds,

872
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:24.400
<v Speaker 1>and so you're trying to avoid the the you know,

873
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:27.440
<v Speaker 1>the the tanking stuff at the end. And maybe if

874
00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:29.840
<v Speaker 1>you just did worst gets first, you would have some

875
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:32.360
<v Speaker 1>interesting games where you could watch where teams are just

876
00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:35.400
<v Speaker 1>really horrible and like the trainer's playing point guard or something.

877
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:38.639
<v Speaker 1>You know what, man, I just go back to promotion relegation.

878
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Let's just bring it to the NBA.

879
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:41.679
<v Speaker 3>It would be communist, man.

880
00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:45.440
<v Speaker 2>It would rule that you I mean, listen, it would

881
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:47.320
<v Speaker 2>rule that's a reality check podcast.

882
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:51.159
<v Speaker 1>It is man, But that that would rule all right,

883
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:53.920
<v Speaker 1>So Jazz basketball Steph Curry and Town tomorrow night. They

884
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:56.639
<v Speaker 1>lost the Pacers last night. NBA trade deadline comes and

885
00:41:56.679 --> 00:42:02.440
<v Speaker 1>goes on Thursday afternoon. There actually is something that you

886
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:05.519
<v Speaker 1>shared that you actually wrote about recently, and it's interesting

887
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:08.440
<v Speaker 1>because I talked about on the show. I believe college

888
00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:11.480
<v Speaker 1>football games should be played on college football campuses. Yeah,

889
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:15.000
<v Speaker 1>and I believe that should go for every single game,

890
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:18.159
<v Speaker 1>maybe besides the National championship game. You make that your

891
00:42:18.199 --> 00:42:20.800
<v Speaker 1>super Bowl. We've already talked about the Joel Clatt thing.

892
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:23.400
<v Speaker 1>He wants the Rose Bowl to be the college football

893
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:25.920
<v Speaker 1>super Bowl. He's not wrong, and I think it would

894
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:28.559
<v Speaker 1>be really cool. Yeah, and then every game prior to

895
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.880
<v Speaker 1>the Rose Bowl super Bowl for college football is played

896
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:34.039
<v Speaker 1>on a college campus, because that, to me is one

897
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:36.840
<v Speaker 1>of the things that makes college football amazing. You did

898
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:41.159
<v Speaker 1>a deep dive though, on what it cost fans, namely

899
00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:42.039
<v Speaker 1>Notre Dame fans.

900
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:42.559
<v Speaker 3>It was.

901
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:45.079
<v Speaker 2>I talked to fans of each of the four semi

902
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:48.719
<v Speaker 2>finalist teams who had gone to various playoff games, whether

903
00:42:48.760 --> 00:42:50.719
<v Speaker 2>they were all of them or a few of them.

904
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:53.000
<v Speaker 1>So give us an idea of what that economic impact

905
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:54.719
<v Speaker 1>was like if you were a fan of a team

906
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:56.920
<v Speaker 1>and had to go to multiple venues to see them

907
00:42:56.920 --> 00:42:58.480
<v Speaker 1>play in the CFP. Yeah.

908
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:02.280
<v Speaker 2>So the Utter Dame fan I talked to was awesome

909
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:05.760
<v Speaker 2>because she's based in Pittsburgh, isn't a lum, isn't a

910
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:08.639
<v Speaker 2>season ticket holder, so she doesn't have the inn in

911
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:14.039
<v Speaker 2>terms of maybe a not as significant hit from a

912
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:17.559
<v Speaker 2>ticket's point of view. But she went to the home

913
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:21.480
<v Speaker 2>game against Indiana, She went to the Sugar Bowl against Georgia,

914
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:26.199
<v Speaker 2>the semi final against was it Penn State maybe Pensteak, Yeah,

915
00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:27.760
<v Speaker 2>and then they went to the National She went to

916
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:31.679
<v Speaker 2>the National championship game against Ohio State, and you know,

917
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:34.639
<v Speaker 2>bless her heart, she was awesome. She's a diehard Notre

918
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Dame fan, and she just basically broke down, like down

919
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:39.719
<v Speaker 2>to the dollar, how much everything costs. And I don't

920
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:41.000
<v Speaker 2>have it pulled up in front of me, but it

921
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:43.280
<v Speaker 2>was a lot of money. And it's the type of

922
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:48.519
<v Speaker 2>money that do you remember when we were kids and

923
00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:52.159
<v Speaker 2>it was like your parents would be like, one day,

924
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:55.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna take you on that once in a lifetime.

925
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:56.119
<v Speaker 3>Trip to wherever.

926
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Like that was like I remember that being the conversation

927
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:00.800
<v Speaker 2>when I was a kid. This is kind of what

928
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:03.719
<v Speaker 2>I equated it to like this is probably fans that

929
00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:06.880
<v Speaker 2>have been saving or have the means to be able

930
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:08.239
<v Speaker 2>to splurge when they see.

931
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:09.760
<v Speaker 3>The moment present itself.

932
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:14.800
<v Speaker 2>And you know, to me, the tickets weren't as expensive

933
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:19.199
<v Speaker 2>as everything else, Like it's it's the last minute flights,

934
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:25.159
<v Speaker 2>it's the hotels, it's the miscellaneous stuff, the lifts, that everything.

935
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:29.840
<v Speaker 2>And to your point, I think you could be able

936
00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:34.280
<v Speaker 2>to curb the cost of so many fans emptying their

937
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:36.960
<v Speaker 2>pockets for this stuff. But at the same time, I

938
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:39.320
<v Speaker 2>think one thing we often and I did this when

939
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:41.239
<v Speaker 2>I first started working on this piece, We can't all

940
00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:44.239
<v Speaker 2>assume that that fans are lums of schools live in

941
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:46.440
<v Speaker 2>that town anymore, for sure. So like a lot of

942
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:48.880
<v Speaker 2>these folks of friends, you know, fans of these schools

943
00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:50.719
<v Speaker 2>like that. The Ohio State fan I talked to is

944
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:53.519
<v Speaker 2>a is a special education teacher in Santa Monica, and

945
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:55.000
<v Speaker 2>he still went to everyone. You know, it's like you

946
00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:58.920
<v Speaker 2>find a way. But everybody that I talked to, I

947
00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:00.800
<v Speaker 2>asked him that question. I say, like, would you like

948
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:04.760
<v Speaker 2>to see the model morph from what it is now

949
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:06.840
<v Speaker 2>to having home games.

950
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:08.400
<v Speaker 3>Up until the National Championship game?

951
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:12.119
<v Speaker 2>And pretty much everybody said yes, the Notre Dame fan said, like,

952
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:14.599
<v Speaker 2>I would like that, but because we're an independent, it's

953
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:16.599
<v Speaker 2>not currently set up that we would be able to

954
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:19.519
<v Speaker 2>because you know, we know the system currently favors the

955
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:25.639
<v Speaker 2>conference champions. My only thing, And I think the reason

956
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:28.119
<v Speaker 2>why this would never happen is college football as a

957
00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:31.519
<v Speaker 2>whole is way too embedded in its relationship with those

958
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:35.880
<v Speaker 2>high profile bowls. And if we're talking about I mean,

959
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:38.320
<v Speaker 2>you remember like that Penn State SMU game was like

960
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:42.079
<v Speaker 2>ten degrees? Are you really going to keep risking that

961
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:45.760
<v Speaker 2>going deeper and deeper into December and January? I think

962
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:48.880
<v Speaker 2>I think the product potentially being hurt would be very

963
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:51.920
<v Speaker 2>a reason for apprehension for the powers that be.

964
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:56.920
<v Speaker 1>So the breakdown and this is the lady, the Notre

965
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Dame alum, and is this just did you have family

966
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:01.360
<v Speaker 1>with her? Is this just her?

967
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:02.039
<v Speaker 3>Just her?

968
00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:04.840
<v Speaker 1>So? Can you imagine if you're traveling with like a

969
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:07.840
<v Speaker 1>family force. So this is what it cost one Notre

970
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Dame fan to attend Indiana, Georgia, Penn State and Ohio

971
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:17.199
<v Speaker 1>State Ohio State first round against Indiana, tickets, lodging, miscellaneous,

972
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:21.119
<v Speaker 1>one thousand and sixty two quarterfinal UGA, same stuff. One

973
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:25.480
<v Speaker 1>eight hundred and ninety five semifinal Penn State, same stuff,

974
00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:29.159
<v Speaker 1>one thousand, seven hundred and twenty five championship game against

975
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Ohio State twenty five hundred dollars. She spent seven thousand,

976
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:35.039
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and eighty two dollars to attend four Notre

977
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:35.639
<v Speaker 1>Dame games.

978
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:38.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I think her name is Christy.

979
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:40.159
<v Speaker 1>It is okay.

980
00:46:41.199 --> 00:46:45.199
<v Speaker 2>Christy had an inn of sorts because some of her

981
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:48.559
<v Speaker 2>group of friends are more high profile donors, and at

982
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Notre Dame, if you the more you donate, the more

983
00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:54.400
<v Speaker 2>likely you are to get a friendly budget hit when

984
00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:58.719
<v Speaker 2>it comes to tickets. So that worked out great for them.

985
00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:01.719
<v Speaker 2>It probably was a lot more tickets wise for other

986
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:04.360
<v Speaker 2>people who aren't in that realm. But like what was

987
00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:08.760
<v Speaker 2>crazy is looking at the data from the last few playoffs,

988
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:12.119
<v Speaker 2>there haven't been that many games where the tickets, even

989
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:14.119
<v Speaker 2>as you got into the semi finals in the finals

990
00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:19.800
<v Speaker 2>were really out of you know, extraordinary value. But this

991
00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Ohio State Notre Dame game was nuts. I think it

992
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:25.719
<v Speaker 2>was like at one point, I think game during the

993
00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:28.480
<v Speaker 2>game day, like at like seven or eight am, like

994
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:30.360
<v Speaker 2>tickets were like already in like the three to four

995
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:31.559
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars range.

996
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:32.719
<v Speaker 3>But I mean a lot of that.

997
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:36.320
<v Speaker 2>The factors are, like you're talking about regional rivals to

998
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:39.599
<v Speaker 2>Midwest teams. Notre Dame hadn't been there, I think in

999
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:42.239
<v Speaker 2>like eleven years. Haven't won a national title since nineteen

1000
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:44.559
<v Speaker 2>eighty eight. So there are a lot of mitigating factors there.

1001
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:47.320
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean, just for one person, like seventy

1002
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:49.519
<v Speaker 2>one hundred bucks, and then like you said, if you

1003
00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:52.480
<v Speaker 2>want to take a spouse and a couple of kids,

1004
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:55.719
<v Speaker 2>like shoot, man, like you might as well take out

1005
00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:56.960
<v Speaker 2>a second mortgage on your house.

1006
00:47:57.039 --> 00:47:58.880
<v Speaker 1>It's a lot to ask, Yeah, it really is. And

1007
00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:03.320
<v Speaker 1>it's interested in college football fans. It's just I don't know,

1008
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:05.480
<v Speaker 1>if you get older, you just realize most of these things,

1009
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:10.679
<v Speaker 1>and maybe you don't understand entirely. Politics, football, religion is

1010
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:13.840
<v Speaker 1>so much about community, yeah, right, and that's really all

1011
00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:16.000
<v Speaker 1>it is. In a lot of ways, even people don't

1012
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:18.360
<v Speaker 1>even care to intellectualize the community they're in. They just

1013
00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:20.280
<v Speaker 1>want to be in it, yeah, you know, and so

1014
00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:22.320
<v Speaker 1>they don't give a rip if weird things are happening

1015
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:24.719
<v Speaker 1>at the White House, or if weird things are happening

1016
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:26.199
<v Speaker 1>in college football. They just want to be in the

1017
00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:27.760
<v Speaker 1>they want to wear the red hat and feel good

1018
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:28.880
<v Speaker 1>when they go out, that's kind of it.

1019
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:30.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And they want to flash the you.

1020
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they want to flash to you whatever it is. Yeah,

1021
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:35.679
<v Speaker 1>in that community. Yeah, I was surprised to know this

1022
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:40.880
<v Speaker 1>most expensive tickets round one Indiana other name.

1023
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:42.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean the proximity.

1024
00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:44.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like you could have also history, the.

1025
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:45.440
<v Speaker 3>First ye history.

1026
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:50.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like they the folks who were either legally

1027
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:54.599
<v Speaker 2>or illegally selling tickets, yeah, could just inflate those numbers

1028
00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:57.840
<v Speaker 2>to an ungodly level. Because when is Indiana going to

1029
00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:00.079
<v Speaker 2>get back there? Maybe yeah, maybe they will. But like

1030
00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:03.559
<v Speaker 2>I think Bloomington is a three hour drive to South Bend.

1031
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:05.599
<v Speaker 2>Like the fact that they were so close, it was

1032
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:07.840
<v Speaker 2>just a no brainer for people to be able to

1033
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:11.760
<v Speaker 2>take advantage of our capitalistic market.

1034
00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Place, indeed, the neoliberal capitalistic takeover. But look, when you

1035
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:18.079
<v Speaker 1>had been indoctrinated into a community and you love being

1036
00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:21.519
<v Speaker 1>part of that community, You're fine spending this money. Oh.

1037
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:23.119
<v Speaker 3>Everybody I talked to is like, I do it again.

1038
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:23.920
<v Speaker 3>I do it in a heartbeat.

1039
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:26.239
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna buy the shoes, You're gonna buy the bibles,

1040
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:28.519
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna buy the tickets. You're gonna shell out the

1041
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:31.039
<v Speaker 1>cash because you want to be part of that community.

1042
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:33.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, and for so many of these schools this year

1043
00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:35.960
<v Speaker 2>at least, like like I said, this is potentially a

1044
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:38.800
<v Speaker 2>once once in a blue moon type deal. Like for

1045
00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:43.280
<v Speaker 2>the Ohio States or Texas's they'll be back and they'll

1046
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:45.599
<v Speaker 2>have home games. But for a lot of these schools,

1047
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:48.199
<v Speaker 2>like I mean, I remember there was a in real

1048
00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:52.400
<v Speaker 2>time SMU was trying to get to stay college. But

1049
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:54.440
<v Speaker 2>because it's so hard to get there, like a boot

1050
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:57.519
<v Speaker 2>like a plane of really rich boosters were like late

1051
00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:00.480
<v Speaker 2>getting to this private airport and they were being bust

1052
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:03.199
<v Speaker 2>there privately, and like I think they eventually got there

1053
00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:04.880
<v Speaker 2>for like the third quarter, but by the time they

1054
00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:06.079
<v Speaker 2>got there, the game was out of hand.

1055
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<v Speaker 3>It's like, yeah, you just go for it if you can, all.

1056
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<v Speaker 1>Right, before I set you loose. The Utah Hockey Club

1057
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:14.920
<v Speaker 1>has narrowed their list of name options. What are we

1058
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:18.159
<v Speaker 1>at so fans can go through the motion of pretending

1059
00:50:18.159 --> 00:50:20.159
<v Speaker 1>to vote for the name tonight one more time and

1060
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:21.960
<v Speaker 1>then just give qual Tricks your info then they'll do

1061
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:25.559
<v Speaker 1>whatever they want. That's the bottom line. But anyway, the

1062
00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:29.639
<v Speaker 1>exercise is thought to allow these people to potentially vote

1063
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:34.760
<v Speaker 1>on Utah Hockey Club, Utah Mammoth, and then the Utah Outlaws,

1064
00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:37.679
<v Speaker 1>and we learned that Porter's distant cousin is Billy the

1065
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:40.639
<v Speaker 1>Kid or who is it? It's it's one of the Outlaws.

1066
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:41.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna wait till you get it right.

1067
00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:45.599
<v Speaker 1>Which Cassidy and the Sun Dance Kid and the Wild

1068
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:48.079
<v Speaker 1>Bunch Porters related to Butch Cassidy. So we did a

1069
00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:50.880
<v Speaker 1>twenty minute history lesson on Outlaws in Utah last week.

1070
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:57.119
<v Speaker 3>Who's the dude? Who was the uh like the henchman

1071
00:50:57.239 --> 00:50:58.239
<v Speaker 3>for Brigham Young.

1072
00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:01.639
<v Speaker 1>Porter Rock with Porter Rock well his namesake?

1073
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:03.480
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so another I don't even know.

1074
00:51:03.519 --> 00:51:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Is it yep?

1075
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:06.039
<v Speaker 3>My third great grandfather we talked about was like his

1076
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:09.400
<v Speaker 3>best friend. So we have so what I before I go?

1077
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:10.960
<v Speaker 3>I want to know your votes for the name.

1078
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:11.719
<v Speaker 1>Utah Hockey Club.

1079
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:13.960
<v Speaker 3>I keep going back and forth.

1080
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:16.440
<v Speaker 4>I'm kind of like a dinosaur fossil nerd as well

1081
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:18.880
<v Speaker 4>as like an outlaw nerd. So I'm kind of cool

1082
00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:21.079
<v Speaker 4>with either one. And Spence has kind of gotten me

1083
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:24.320
<v Speaker 4>on board with Utah Hockey Club being a decent option

1084
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:27.559
<v Speaker 4>as well. So I'm going to currently vote for Outlaw.

1085
00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:29.400
<v Speaker 4>But I'm I'm going either way.

1086
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:32.639
<v Speaker 2>So we in this state, we are known for having

1087
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:38.000
<v Speaker 2>dinosaur fossils. The mammoth thing, I don't really understand, particularly

1088
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:40.039
<v Speaker 2>like I don't know when when was the last time

1089
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:43.079
<v Speaker 2>if we ever have had a mammoth fossil here, I'm

1090
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:45.320
<v Speaker 2>gonna be with Porter, but I'm gonna go hockey club

1091
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:47.639
<v Speaker 2>one Outlaws to mammoth is out for me.

1092
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:50.719
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I think I've landed on that as well. We

1093
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:52.119
<v Speaker 1>just did an hour with well.

1094
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:54.880
<v Speaker 3>We didn't even talk about the.

1095
00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:56.199
<v Speaker 1>Trays in Santa Barbara.

1096
00:51:56.280 --> 00:51:57.519
<v Speaker 3>So they're in Coachella.

1097
00:51:57.599 --> 00:51:59.559
<v Speaker 1>Man, Oh, that's right, they're in Coachella.

1098
00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:00.840
<v Speaker 3>Now, ocella invitation.

1099
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:02.559
<v Speaker 1>I bet Pobs is tripping on something.

1100
00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:05.280
<v Speaker 3>Let's tripping on formations.

1101
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:09.360
<v Speaker 1>Little Jack, Little Jack Johnson, Ben Harper on the speaker, Oh,

1102
00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:13.239
<v Speaker 1>golfing with Pobs man, the music that comes. We had

1103
00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:15.559
<v Speaker 1>a we had a couple of Jason Moraz tunes. Oh yeah,

1104
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:18.639
<v Speaker 1>you've told me about that. That's okay, No, it's not, No,

1105
00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:21.559
<v Speaker 1>it is. There has to be a line, Jason Maras

1106
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:23.039
<v Speaker 1>has to be the line. There has to be a line.

1107
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:24.599
<v Speaker 3>You're offending Dave Fox in here.

1108
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:27.119
<v Speaker 1>Give me a I'm sure Fox loves Maras. I can

1109
00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:30.599
<v Speaker 1>see Fox in a Fedora. What's what's what's going on

1110
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:33.079
<v Speaker 1>right now? Give me a quick thought on the lads Setulus.

1111
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:35.159
<v Speaker 2>I think it's two weeks from today. They they're down

1112
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:36.800
<v Speaker 2>in Costa Rica's right, Ye conquered cast.

1113
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:42.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Quick thought is they got worse this offseason?

1114
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:42.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

1115
00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:45.199
<v Speaker 2>They did, And there's no really other way to spin it.

1116
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:50.119
<v Speaker 2>And I think the fan base is probably very bummed

1117
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:52.119
<v Speaker 2>out because for a long time they were waiting to

1118
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:56.239
<v Speaker 2>have the type of roster constructed that they had last year,

1119
00:52:56.360 --> 00:52:59.280
<v Speaker 2>and to see it dissipate in eight months is probably

1120
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:00.000
<v Speaker 2>pretty heartbreaking.

1121
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:04.239
<v Speaker 1>Up, you're not buying the spin goals by committee, thirty

1122
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:05.559
<v Speaker 1>five year old keeper good with his.

1123
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:07.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's MLS dude, Like who knows, like they

1124
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:10.239
<v Speaker 2>could for all that we know, like they could get

1125
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:11.880
<v Speaker 2>the seventh seed and go on to run to MLS

1126
00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:13.599
<v Speaker 2>Cup next year with a bunch of with a bunch

1127
00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:15.440
<v Speaker 2>of dudes. I mean, I guess we know some of them,

1128
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:17.119
<v Speaker 2>but like I don't know.

1129
00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:20.599
<v Speaker 1>Christopher, great to see you. It's still sixty two. Did

1130
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:22.840
<v Speaker 1>you ride you can? Did you ride the bus?

1131
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:23.239
<v Speaker 3>Should have?

1132
00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow?

1133
00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:25.920
<v Speaker 3>I had to run errands before.

1134
00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:26.400
<v Speaker 1>We'll get home safe.

1135
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:26.519
<v Speaker 3>Man.

1136
00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Good to see it.

1137
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<v Speaker 3>Thanks Man.
