WEBVTT 1 00:00:20.039 --> 00:00:23.440 It has begun, it has started. The first in the 2 00:00:23.679 --> 00:00:28.239 series of Ancient Apocalypse has been released, and actually you 3 00:00:28.280 --> 00:00:32.280 can watch the whole series in one long stream. Most 4 00:00:32.320 --> 00:00:35.759 of the episodes are like forty to forty five minutes. 5 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:39.159 And I've enjoyed it so far. But you know what, 6 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:48.560 there's pushback already, there's pushback the archaeological entities. Individuals on Facebook, 7 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:53.719 on x on Instagram are beginning to dump on Graham 8 00:00:53.799 --> 00:00:58.320 and the work, saying that he isn't up to speed, 9 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:00.719 he doesn't know what he's doing, and so forth and 10 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:04.239 so on, and this is to be expected, but you know, 11 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:06.840 you would think that people would be a little brighter 12 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:09.640 about the whole thing. This is a benefit. This is 13 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:15.079 a benefit to history, to historians. It helps everyone. And 14 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:18.879 you know, I've had conversations offline with Ed Barnhart, our 15 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:24.200 own in house archaeologist Mayanus, and he says that, you know, 16 00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:28.319 he told he said that he enjoyed his time filming 17 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:34.040 Ancient Apocalypse with Graham, And I haven't seen the episode 18 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:38.000 with Graham and Ed yet, but I'm looking forward to it. 19 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:44.480 And you know, Ed's outspoken and he is kind of 20 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:49.120 growing in popularity. He's not actually a phil archaeologist like 21 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:53.599 Richard Hanson is down in Elmeador, Guatemala, or any of 22 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:56.760 the other philed archaeologists, but he's got his hands in it. 23 00:01:57.319 --> 00:01:59.560 A number of the people that he has on staff 24 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:05.959 in his company are field archaeologists, so he's he's up 25 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:09.240 to date, he's on the move, he's you know, present 26 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:12.199 when it comes to the latest research. But you know, 27 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:20.639 to have these people just trash Ancient Apocalypse simply because 28 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:26.319 it's not from the National Geographic or the Smithsonian or 29 00:02:26.360 --> 00:02:30.479 even the History Channel is kind of sad. And if 30 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:33.960 you're one of these people that are put off by 31 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:39.719 non academics stepping into your field, wake up. He's gonna 32 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:44.680 have forty or fifty or sixty million people watching this series. 33 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:47.719 In fact, right now, it's I think it's a broken records. 34 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:52.800 There's so many people watching and downloading this series right 35 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:55.840 now that it's a good thing. It gets people thinking 36 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:59.879 and it helps everybody. And if you're not you know, 37 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:04.800 on board with it, then at least accept it as 38 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:09.840 part of the continual education of the public. People want 39 00:03:09.879 --> 00:03:12.319 to know what's happening. They want to know what happened 40 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:15.400 in our past. They want to know what's happening now, 41 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:21.080 what's the research going on? In today's interview with Andrew Collins, 42 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:25.599 he is interacting with archaeologists who are excavating go Beckley, Teppe, 43 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:31.400 Carahan Teppe and these other ancient sites in Turkey. You know, 44 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:33.960 just because you don't have a PhD next to your name, 45 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:37.560 just because you're not an academic, doesn't mean the material 46 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:42.800 is not valid. I remember years ago there was a 47 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:47.319 series on It was a mutual o'maha that was the sponsor, 48 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:51.000 and I think the guy was his name was Perkins, 49 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:55.080 and he's talking about animals and he was just a 50 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:58.199 lover of animals and they were talking about the different 51 00:03:58.240 --> 00:04:01.400 species and stuff like that. People didn't go crazy and 52 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:03.919 say get off the air. You have no business being 53 00:04:03.919 --> 00:04:05.719 on the air because you're not a veterinarian, you're not 54 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:11.560 an animal specialist. It's the same thing with Hancock. This 55 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:19.600 guy is a journalist. He has to use evidence on 56 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:25.079 his based on his theories and his hypotheses. And everybody 57 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:33.120 in this program Ancient Apocalypse, they're all archaeologists, anthropologists, filled geologists. 58 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:37.079 They're all working with him. The other thing that I've 59 00:04:37.120 --> 00:04:42.240 noticed about the Americans who are unhappy with Hancock. There's 60 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:45.639 one thing, unfortunately, I'm embarrassed to say, is that when 61 00:04:45.720 --> 00:04:49.199 we speak of about American academics, it's like we're the 62 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:53.160 top of the food chain. They don't interact with Chinese 63 00:04:53.839 --> 00:05:02.399 or European, some Europeans or Russian or other. South American 64 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:05.519 is a big one. The archaeologists and the anthropologists in 65 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:10.959 South America have a lot of very unusual theories on 66 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:16.079 the evolution of man. They believe that man came from 67 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:20.120 the Arctic. And I've talked about this on this program. 68 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:24.800 That's not accepted in the United States. The Chinese point 69 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:27.639 of view on history is not accepted. So we're very 70 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:32.519 myopic tunnel vision, you know. And here's Graham. This show 71 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:36.120 is fabulous. This Ancient Apocalypse series is fabulous. And so 72 00:05:37.720 --> 00:05:41.439 you know, people like Dibble. I mean, it's all over 73 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:46.319 the YouTube now too. People are very unhappy in the 74 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:49.040 circles in there, and they're you know, they're not being 75 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:52.199 very graceful at all. This is a benefit, it's a 76 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:54.759 benefit to any anyone who has anything to do with history, 77 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:59.519 research investigators, field archaeologists, anthropologists, so forth, and so on. 78 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:05.560 And I see this with younger newly minted newly graduated 79 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:10.959 archaeologists and anthropologists as well having a problem with Graham. 80 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:16.800 So enjoy it. It's helping everyone, it's benefiting everybody. Ancient 81 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:19.920 Apocalypse on Netflix. If you haven't seen it, check it out. 82 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:26.920 They're very well put together, high quality production, and I'm 83 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:30.920 really enjoying it. And when Graham's on the program in December, 84 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:33.959 we're going to talk to him about exactly the process 85 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:39.800 of doing these and what he feels are the benefits 86 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:45.439 for his cause. Now on the third season, excuse me, 87 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:50.720 third episode, Graham goes to Rapa Nui and that's Easter Island, 88 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:53.519 and man, I'm really looking forward to it. By the way, 89 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:58.399 we're down to our last handful of seats of participants. 90 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:02.199 If you want to join us in next March March fifteenth, 91 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:05.839 of the twenty third on Easter Island with doctor Edward 92 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:09.639 Barnhart as our guide, go to Earth Ancients dot com 93 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:13.360 forward slash tours and check it out. Because this is 94 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:15.639 we only got like a handful of maybe three or 95 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:18.720 four places left. So if you want to come Earth 96 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:24.560 Ancients dot com forward slash tours and check out the itinerary, 97 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:27.319 it's gonna be just so cool. So anyhow, Graham's walking 98 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:31.920 around Easter Island and man, I am so looking forward 99 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:35.879 to seeing these huge Mai sculptures and the and the 100 00:07:37.040 --> 00:07:40.319 he gets real close to the quarry, which is fun 101 00:07:40.399 --> 00:07:45.519 as well. So and we're actually gonna our tour with 102 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:47.759 Ed Barnhardt because he's been there and he has all 103 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:53.600 the private visits, connections and people to work with. Is 104 00:07:53.639 --> 00:07:55.959 gonna We're gonna see a lot more than what Graham SyES. 105 00:07:56.079 --> 00:08:00.319 So that's gonna be a blast. So Ancient a Park clips. 106 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:02.000 Keep watching it. It's you know, you can watch the 107 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:05.600 whole thing in a long in a long day. It'll 108 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:09.360 be a few hours. But I actually believe that they're 109 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:12.800 going to do a third and a fourth series. So wow, 110 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:18.519 just amazing. Here our program Todays with author and research 111 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:22.879 investigator Andrew Collins. He has released a brand new book 112 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:28.800 called Carahan Teppee Civilizations of the Ananaki and the Cosmic 113 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:32.879 Origins of the Serpent of Eden. This book is so 114 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:37.279 packed with brand new photographs, I mean just really really 115 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:41.039 fresh and they're colored, and I'm going to be posting 116 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:45.120 a gallery of probably up to ten. He's given me 117 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:51.399 permission to post at least ten photographs of this Carahan 118 00:08:51.480 --> 00:08:55.559 Tepee site and we were just there in August, and 119 00:08:55.639 --> 00:08:57.840 I gotta say, I don't know how he got the 120 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:01.759 permission to take these photographs because most of them are 121 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:06.399 really really close to these artifacts and these pits subsurface 122 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:10.240 temples with all the details of the sculpture, and we 123 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:12.200 were not allowed to go in there, so he must have. 124 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:15.919 Most of the photographs I think are taken early this 125 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:19.559 year and late last year, so they're really really fresh, 126 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:25.159 really really detailed and fabulously accurate, very accurate photographs, So 127 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:30.279 check that out. You can see the gallery on Facebook. 128 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:33.720 Go to Facebook, go to Earth Ancients, go to group, 129 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:36.559 or the international page. I'm even going to post a 130 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:40.879 few on Instagram, so you'll have some on Instagram. Hey, 131 00:09:40.919 --> 00:09:44.759 by the way, face our YouTube channels down right now. 132 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:48.159 I'm working on getting it back up, so if you 133 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:51.960 haven't seen it seen us online, please check it out. 134 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:55.759 In about two weeks, I'm going to start actively placing 135 00:09:55.799 --> 00:09:59.399 more shorts on there because I have a lot of 136 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:01.320 footage from some of these places that we go to 137 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:04.879 that would be interesting for YouTube shorts, so be sure 138 00:10:04.879 --> 00:10:08.039 to check that out. So I'm sorry about that. I 139 00:10:08.039 --> 00:10:11.840 don't like to not have the YouTube videos up because 140 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:14.679 we have a lot of video material. So all right, 141 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:19.480 So today's program is Carahad Tepi and my guest is 142 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:26.799 Andrew Collins. We're featuring an incredible opportunity to visit one 143 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:30.200 of the real enigmas of the ancient world, and that 144 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:34.440 is Easter Island in the Pacific Ocean. This is a 145 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:37.840 new tour that we're doing. But we're lucky because doctor 146 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:41.879 Edwin Barnhardt, our host and our tour leader, has been 147 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:46.200 surveying this island for over a number of years and 148 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:51.159 has some really amazing insights on just how detailed and 149 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:56.679 how complicated and how mysterious this island is going to be. 150 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:00.039 March fifteenth through twenty third, I wanted to ask I 151 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:02.960 had just a brief question or two because I obviously 152 00:11:02.960 --> 00:11:05.399 have never been there. I'm really excited to be a 153 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:08.440 part of this. It was a highlight talk about the moi. 154 00:11:08.919 --> 00:11:10.399 There's a number of them, aren't there. 155 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:16.879 There are so many moai there, it's outrageous. You see 156 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:19.679 from coffee table books that there's lines of them, but 157 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:23.559 in point of fact, there's over one thousand moi and 158 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:27.399 they're spread all over the island there where ancient villages 159 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:30.000 used to be, so we're gonna go visit a bunch 160 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:33.440 of those. There's also the quarry. There's one quarry where 161 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:35.639 almost all of them were made, and a lot of 162 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:38.840 them are still half made lying in the quarry. That 163 00:11:38.919 --> 00:11:42.360 thing is just a site to see how grew up. 164 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:45.720 Briefly, and I didn't realize they have an observatory there. 165 00:11:45.759 --> 00:11:48.559 Is it a planetarium or is it more of a 166 00:11:49.399 --> 00:11:51.399 setup for evening sites. 167 00:11:52.639 --> 00:11:56.039 It's a planetarium. It's a passion project by a man 168 00:11:56.159 --> 00:12:00.799 named EDMUNDO. Edwards who's been studying the archaeoistomy of the 169 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:05.879 island for his entire life, I think almost fifty years now. 170 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:08.399 He knows more than anyone and he put together this 171 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:13.200 planetarium to share this lifetime of knowledge with the visitors 172 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:14.159 that come to the place. 173 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:18.320 Fantastic. So March fifteenth to the twenty third, that is 174 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:22.240 a week, and it sounds like we've really packed a 175 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:24.559 lot in during those seven days, right. 176 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:28.279 I tell you, For an island that's only twelve miles across, 177 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:30.519 there is an endless amount of things to see there. 178 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:33.960 Looking forward to it. Fantastic all right? For more information 179 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:37.919 to go to Earthncients dot com forward slash tours. Look 180 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:40.360 for the photo of Ed standing next to one of 181 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:43.879 the big Mai sculptures and register as soon as you 182 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:48.200 can again go to Earthnchiens dot com Forward slash tours. 183 00:12:48.240 --> 00:13:30.720 Thanks Ed, Thank you, Cliff. I mentioned earlier that I 184 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:34.600 had gotten back from Go Beckley Teppe and Carahan Teppy 185 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:37.440 and our Turkey tour earlier this year. We were there 186 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:40.639 in August, and I have to tell you that Go 187 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:44.799 Beckley Teppe is a sight to see when you go there, 188 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:49.000 and the way they've designed it is amazing, I have 189 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:51.639 to say to this. Also, we also had a chance 190 00:13:51.679 --> 00:13:56.679 to visit Carahan Teppee and meet with the field archaeologists 191 00:13:56.679 --> 00:14:00.480 there and get a first hand look at it exactly 192 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:07.399 what it was composed of. It's it's sub level like 193 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:12.399 Go Beckley Teppy, but a completely different design and makeup 194 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:17.240 and composition. We're going to talk about this today. I've 195 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:20.679 been waiting for this book by my guests today, Andrew Collins, 196 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:24.519 the books called Kraahan Teppe, Civilization of the Ananachi, and 197 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:29.080 the Cosmic Origins of the Serpent of Eden. And he's 198 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:31.039 been working on this book for a while now. But 199 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:35.600 he just released it. It just came out a few weeks ago, 200 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:38.559 and we're going to talk to Andrew, and just before 201 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:43.039 I bring him on. If you can get to Turkey, 202 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:45.440 if you can get over there, you need to see 203 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:52.799 these places. And they are very unusual. There's a sacredness 204 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:57.000 about where they're located, and they're very odd and mystery 205 00:14:57.240 --> 00:15:00.840 mysterious as well. So hey, Andrew, welcome to Earth. The 206 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:03.720 interest is great to see you, great to be Backcliff, 207 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:06.320 Congratulations on the book. 208 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:07.759 Tholla, thank you. 209 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:11.639 It took you away. This one took you a couple 210 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:12.159 of years. 211 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:16.120 Easy, Yeah, I mean generally it's in the camp for 212 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:18.159 a couple of years before the publishers bring it out. 213 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:20.919 In all honesty, I mean I started working on it 214 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:25.440 at the beginning of twenty twenty two, and so really 215 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:27.679 it's only just come out, but it is fully updated. 216 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:30.840 I was able to edit it along the way and 217 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:34.960 even in the proofreading stages to add brand new material in. 218 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:36.440 So it's fully up. 219 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:40.720 To date with all the discoveries there. And of course 220 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:43.679 it's a twenty year journey, you know. It's not something 221 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:47.279 that I suddenly decided to do on the spur of 222 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:51.000 the moment. I mean I first went to Gebecley Tape 223 00:15:51.279 --> 00:15:56.279 in two thousand and four as part of a cultural festival. 224 00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:59.519 My book from the Ashes of Angels had just been 225 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:04.159 published in Turkish and I went out there to give 226 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:07.039 lectures and I you know, as part of the deal, 227 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:10.360 I got a driver and a interpreter and we went 228 00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:13.000 around for a week to all these sites that I'd 229 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:17.240 been writing about. And so I went to Goebecley Tape 230 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:20.120 for the first time. I went to the ancient city 231 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:23.399 of Haran, and whilst I was there, there were some 232 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:25.559 children trying to sell me a second hand copy of 233 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:29.720 a local guidebook, which I you know, looked at and 234 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:34.200 I saw this picture of a T shaped pillar at 235 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:37.200 a place called Kahan TAPEI and I've never heard of 236 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:40.799 this place, I mean, nothing was known about it. And 237 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:43.639 I just thought, well, this is obviously the same type 238 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:44.919 of site as Cabeci Tape. 239 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:46.240 I need to find it. 240 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:51.759 So two days later I was in the tech Tech Mountains. Yeah, 241 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:53.679 we were just driving around for about an hour and 242 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:55.720 a half just trying to find it, and nobody knew 243 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:58.799 aything about it. And then finally a guy, you know, 244 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:02.600 this guy in Arab on a tractor, you know, pointed 245 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:05.079 in a certain direction, and we got to this farmhouse 246 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:09.720 and a little kid came out, and you know, there 247 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:12.599 our driver interpreted talked to him, and he just pointed 248 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:16.240 towards the hill, towards the south. So we went towards that, 249 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:20.640 and I started to see stone tools on the ground, 250 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:23.720 and the closer you got to this hill, the more 251 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:27.799 stone tools you saw, until eventually they were scattered everywhere, 252 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:31.640 thousands of them. And you also saw the heads of 253 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:35.640 t shaped pillars just sticking out of the ground. And 254 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:40.759 also there were these angled corners of what we call 255 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:45.880 pultholestones just scattered about, and you know, so finally worked 256 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:48.680 were they that they could have come off of a 257 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:53.319 medieval building, and yet these were at least eleven thousand 258 00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:56.759 years old and they were just there scattered about. I mean, 259 00:17:57.119 --> 00:18:00.319 you know, they were even being used to as you know, 260 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:02.960 around fires and things like this, and I just thought, 261 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:07.880 this is just bizarre, because it's quite clear that somewhere 262 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:13.759 underneath this soil and dirt and rubble was something similar 263 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:17.680 to Gebecley tape. And so I would just keep going 264 00:18:17.720 --> 00:18:21.839 back there year after year, exploring every single part of it. 265 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:26.240 Exploring caves in the northern Tepe on the northern hill 266 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:31.559 that Corahan faces, trying to get the astronomical alignments based 267 00:18:31.599 --> 00:18:35.640 on very meager evidence at that time, and just trying 268 00:18:35.640 --> 00:18:39.279 to work out what was really happening there. We did 269 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:44.160 this right the way through until about twenty eighteen, and 270 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:49.400 that year we heard that the University of Istanbul were 271 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:52.359 arriving to do a survey of the site in preparation 272 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:56.960 for excavations, and of course they did that and started 273 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:01.599 excavating in twenty nineteen and within two to three years 274 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:07.880 and had uncovered this entire complex. I mean, that's even 275 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:13.200 more remarkable than Gobecley Tape. And one of the main 276 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:16.960 central features of it is the fact that you have 277 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:22.920 subsurface structures cut into the bedrock, and this is something 278 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:25.720 that you don't see certainly in the same way at 279 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:30.400 Gobecy Tape, of which the most impressive of them is 280 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:33.240 what we call the Pillar Shrine. They call it Structure 281 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:39.920 AB and it's basically there's this huge I can't remember 282 00:19:39.960 --> 00:19:44.480 the exact shape of trapezoid that's it trapezoid or structure 283 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:47.519 that's cut down into the bedrock and it's got ten 284 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:51.960 pillars that are cut out the bedrock and rise up 285 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:55.480 for about you know, up to about six feet, and 286 00:19:56.279 --> 00:20:00.680 there's ten of those, and an eleventh pillar that's curved 287 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:03.079 and clearly been cut outside and brought in and put 288 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:06.400 into a slot, and coming out of the west wall, 289 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:10.240 the wall that faces onto the actual cliff of the hill, 290 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:17.160 is this massive human head on a long serpent like neck, 291 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:21.359 and this head is three times the size of a 292 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:24.279 normal human head, and all of that has been up 293 00:20:24.519 --> 00:20:28.160 out of the bedrock. Basically, I mean, it's an incredible 294 00:20:28.680 --> 00:20:30.440 engineering feet in its own right. 295 00:20:31.119 --> 00:20:32.799 And not only is it eleven. 296 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:37.599 Thousand years old, but it constitutes the oldest rock architecture 297 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:41.000 anywhere in the world. I mean, we're obviously familiar with 298 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:46.240 Hindu temples cut out of rock, Ethiopian churches cut out 299 00:20:46.279 --> 00:20:50.680 of rock, but this was going on eleven thousand years ago. 300 00:20:50.839 --> 00:20:54.680 I mean, it's just extraordinary, and it begs the question 301 00:20:54.839 --> 00:20:56.079 of what was. 302 00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:58.119 Going on there at this time. 303 00:20:58.559 --> 00:21:01.119 And I remember just sturb for I want to ask you. 304 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:04.559 We went to a museum there that had a number 305 00:21:04.599 --> 00:21:09.319 of sculptures from Karahan Teppy that were outstanding, but there 306 00:21:09.400 --> 00:21:12.039 was a map that we saw Andrew and the map 307 00:21:12.279 --> 00:21:15.559 was of thirty or forty of these sites that they 308 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:20.400 had found that they had excavated. And what does Karrahan 309 00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:21.160 Teppy mean. 310 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:28.680 Well, bizarrely enough, Carahan means the dark Lord, the dark Lord, 311 00:21:28.839 --> 00:21:31.400 the dark Lord. Yeah, it's the hill of the dark Lord. 312 00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:37.319 But there is a mundane explanation for it, because that 313 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:38.640 wasn't its original name. 314 00:21:39.319 --> 00:21:39.960 Originally. 315 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:45.920 It was actually called Ketchile Tape, which essentially has a 316 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:47.279 strong female connotation. 317 00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:49.480 It kept catch. It comes from the. 318 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:55.759 That the Kurdish route catch, which means woman basically, so 319 00:21:55.880 --> 00:21:59.039 it's like a sort of the female heel, very much 320 00:21:59.119 --> 00:22:02.680 like female hills in so many other countries, you know. 321 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:04.640 In other words, it's like the embodiment of a woman 322 00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:08.680 in the landscape. But what happened was that the guy 323 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:12.519 that discovered Karahn to pay an archaeologist by the name 324 00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:14.440 of Mahatin Chellek. 325 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:18.440 He realized that looters. 326 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:20.720 Would come and try and take away whatever they could, 327 00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:25.640 so he deliberately created a new name to try it 328 00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:27.640 and fool them so they wouldn't know where it was. 329 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:29.559 And that's one of the reasons why it was so 330 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:33.119 difficult for me to get there, because nobody knew it 331 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:34.680 because this was a created name. 332 00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:39.039 But as I said, he took ka from. 333 00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:43.519 One particular local historical site and hand from another one 334 00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:47.079 and put them together to create Karahan to Pay. 335 00:22:47.720 --> 00:22:49.559 And as I said, so it means hill of the 336 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:50.200 dark Lord. 337 00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:51.880 I mean that's the title of one of the chapters 338 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:55.839 of the book, just out of interest. So he hasn't 339 00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:58.119 got anything to do with dark lords, I'm afraid. But 340 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:01.400 I mean, so you have to ask yourself what is 341 00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:02.119 going on there? 342 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:04.279 Yeah, I mean that's the question I have for you, 343 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:09.720 is that if there's thirty or forty of these these temples, yeah, 344 00:23:09.759 --> 00:23:12.960 what's the thinking? This is outrageous. And they just announce 345 00:23:13.039 --> 00:23:14.960 the other day and I can't remember the name of it. 346 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:18.519 There's another They just find a place that's fourteen thousand 347 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:23.279 years old and it's within these thirty ranges. It's a 348 00:23:23.319 --> 00:23:27.480 circular group of these these hills, these tepees. 349 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:29.000 That's just weird. 350 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:31.759 What's going on? What do we think is going on? 351 00:23:32.759 --> 00:23:36.599 Well, I mean quite clearly there's a lot going on here. 352 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:40.160 But the archaelogists want to call this culture and I 353 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:45.160 would call them the first post ice Aage civilization taesh 354 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:50.559 Tepla teesh Tepola means stone or stony hills. The stone 355 00:23:50.599 --> 00:23:53.960 relates to the use of tea pillars, and the hills 356 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:59.839 are the tepees or occupational mounds in which these uh 357 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:03.599 temples if you want to call them, that are being uncovered, 358 00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:07.799 almost like the revealing of a layer cake of human activity. 359 00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:14.119 And there are twelve official hash tabla sites excuse me, 360 00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:18.519 the most obvious being Gebeckley Tape and Carahan Tape, but 361 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:21.200 there are a number of others, including a brand new 362 00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:24.559 site that's being looked at right now, which is Cyburge, 363 00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:27.920 which is just a few miles to the west of 364 00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:29.400 shan Lufa. 365 00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:31.640 But there are many others as well. 366 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:35.480 Like Cepha Tepe that that's being excavated at the moment, 367 00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:39.839 and various others that are either being excavated or about 368 00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:42.960 to be excavated. But having said that, this is just 369 00:24:43.240 --> 00:24:45.680 the tip of the iceberg, I mean, some estimates suggest 370 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:48.920 there could be anything up to thirty to forty of these, 371 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:53.640 as you mentioned, and doctor Lee Claire, who is the 372 00:24:54.279 --> 00:24:57.640 lead archaeologist at Goebeckley Tepe, you know, he suggests there 373 00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:00.440 could be as many as one hundred in this three 374 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:03.359 And the important thing is that all of them are 375 00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:06.559 doing roughly the same thing, and what they are doing 376 00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:11.359 are creating stone enclosures with a series of T shaped 377 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:14.839 pillars in the shape of a like the spokes of 378 00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:20.359 a wheel around either a pair of central monoliths or 379 00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:22.880 a single monolith. I mean, some of the ones that 380 00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:25.920 are being found and uncovered right now at Sidbirds just 381 00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:27.799 have a single monolith. 382 00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:27.960 In the middle. 383 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:33.400 And many of these monoliths are anthropomorphic. You know, they 384 00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:38.599 have arms carved onto the side, they have the hems 385 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:43.960 of garments vertically going down, some of them have belts, obviously, 386 00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:48.400 they have their hands over their navels, and the actual 387 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:52.000 heads themselves are the T shaped terminations of the pillars. 388 00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:58.759 So you're clearly talking about anthropomorphic human like figures that 389 00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:04.759 probably represent divine ancestors or some kind of supernatural agency. 390 00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:09.839 And I mean as far back as twenty twelve, Klaus Schmidt, 391 00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:14.880 the discoverer of Gebecti Tepe, concluded that they represented the 392 00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:20.000 ann Archive, the ann Archive being the builder gods, you know, 393 00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:25.119 the founders of the civilization that would become Samaria and 394 00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:29.640 a cad and Babylonia and whatever, and that they were 395 00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:33.079 the ones that helped humanity and gave them the gifts 396 00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:38.799 of civilization, whether it was the construction of cities, irrigation, 397 00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:43.039 or sheep and grain. I mean, you know, one of 398 00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:46.519 the stories relating to the ann Archive is that they 399 00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:49.200 gave us a gift to humanity sheep and grain. Well, 400 00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:54.440 this is quite clearly a metaphor for animal husbandry and 401 00:26:55.119 --> 00:27:00.720