Speaker 1: It has begun, it has started. The first in the
Speaker 1: series of Ancient Apocalypse has been released, and actually you
Speaker 1: can watch the whole series in one long stream. Most
Speaker 1: of the episodes are like forty to forty five minutes.
Speaker 1: And I've enjoyed it so far. But you know what,
Speaker 1: there's pushback already, there's pushback the archaeological entities. Individuals on Facebook,
Speaker 1: on x on Instagram are beginning to dump on Graham
Speaker 1: and the work, saying that he isn't up to speed,
Speaker 1: he doesn't know what he's doing, and so forth and
Speaker 1: so on, and this is to be expected, but you know,
Speaker 1: you would think that people would be a little brighter
Speaker 1: about the whole thing. This is a benefit. This is
Speaker 1: a benefit to history, to historians. It helps everyone. And
Speaker 1: you know, I've had conversations offline with Ed Barnhart, our
Speaker 1: own in house archaeologist Mayanus, and he says that, you know,
Speaker 1: he told he said that he enjoyed his time filming
Speaker 1: Ancient Apocalypse with Graham, And I haven't seen the episode
Speaker 1: with Graham and Ed yet, but I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: And you know, Ed's outspoken and he is kind of
Speaker 1: growing in popularity. He's not actually a phil archaeologist like
Speaker 1: Richard Hanson is down in Elmeador, Guatemala, or any of
Speaker 1: the other philed archaeologists, but he's got his hands in it.
Speaker 1: A number of the people that he has on staff
Speaker 1: in his company are field archaeologists, so he's he's up
Speaker 1: to date, he's on the move, he's you know, present
Speaker 1: when it comes to the latest research. But you know,
Speaker 1: to have these people just trash Ancient Apocalypse simply because
Speaker 1: it's not from the National Geographic or the Smithsonian or
Speaker 1: even the History Channel is kind of sad. And if
Speaker 1: you're one of these people that are put off by
Speaker 1: non academics stepping into your field, wake up. He's gonna
Speaker 1: have forty or fifty or sixty million people watching this series.
Speaker 1: In fact, right now, it's I think it's a broken records.
Speaker 1: There's so many people watching and downloading this series right
Speaker 1: now that it's a good thing. It gets people thinking
Speaker 1: and it helps everybody. And if you're not you know,
Speaker 1: on board with it, then at least accept it as
Speaker 1: part of the continual education of the public. People want
Speaker 1: to know what's happening. They want to know what happened
Speaker 1: in our past. They want to know what's happening now,
Speaker 1: what's the research going on? In today's interview with Andrew Collins,
Speaker 1: he is interacting with archaeologists who are excavating go Beckley, Teppe,
Speaker 1: Carahan Teppe and these other ancient sites in Turkey. You know,
Speaker 1: just because you don't have a PhD next to your name,
Speaker 1: just because you're not an academic, doesn't mean the material
Speaker 1: is not valid. I remember years ago there was a
Speaker 1: series on It was a mutual o'maha that was the sponsor,
Speaker 1: and I think the guy was his name was Perkins,
Speaker 1: and he's talking about animals and he was just a
Speaker 1: lover of animals and they were talking about the different
Speaker 1: species and stuff like that. People didn't go crazy and
Speaker 1: say get off the air. You have no business being
Speaker 1: on the air because you're not a veterinarian, you're not
Speaker 1: an animal specialist. It's the same thing with Hancock. This
Speaker 1: guy is a journalist. He has to use evidence on
Speaker 1: his based on his theories and his hypotheses. And everybody
Speaker 1: in this program Ancient Apocalypse, they're all archaeologists, anthropologists, filled geologists.
Speaker 1: They're all working with him. The other thing that I've
Speaker 1: noticed about the Americans who are unhappy with Hancock. There's
Speaker 1: one thing, unfortunately, I'm embarrassed to say, is that when
Speaker 1: we speak of about American academics, it's like we're the
Speaker 1: top of the food chain. They don't interact with Chinese
Speaker 1: or European, some Europeans or Russian or other. South American
Speaker 1: is a big one. The archaeologists and the anthropologists in
Speaker 1: South America have a lot of very unusual theories on
Speaker 1: the evolution of man. They believe that man came from
Speaker 1: the Arctic. And I've talked about this on this program.
Speaker 1: That's not accepted in the United States. The Chinese point
Speaker 1: of view on history is not accepted. So we're very
Speaker 1: myopic tunnel vision, you know. And here's Graham. This show
Speaker 1: is fabulous. This Ancient Apocalypse series is fabulous. And so
Speaker 1: you know, people like Dibble. I mean, it's all over
Speaker 1: the YouTube now too. People are very unhappy in the
Speaker 1: circles in there, and they're you know, they're not being
Speaker 1: very graceful at all. This is a benefit, it's a
Speaker 1: benefit to any anyone who has anything to do with history,
Speaker 1: research investigators, field archaeologists, anthropologists, so forth, and so on.
Speaker 1: And I see this with younger newly minted newly graduated
Speaker 1: archaeologists and anthropologists as well having a problem with Graham.
Speaker 1: So enjoy it. It's helping everyone, it's benefiting everybody. Ancient
Speaker 1: Apocalypse on Netflix. If you haven't seen it, check it out.
Speaker 1: They're very well put together, high quality production, and I'm
Speaker 1: really enjoying it. And when Graham's on the program in December,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk to him about exactly the process
Speaker 1: of doing these and what he feels are the benefits
Speaker 1: for his cause. Now on the third season, excuse me,
Speaker 1: third episode, Graham goes to Rapa Nui and that's Easter Island,
Speaker 1: and man, I'm really looking forward to it. By the way,
Speaker 1: we're down to our last handful of seats of participants.
Speaker 1: If you want to join us in next March March fifteenth,
Speaker 1: of the twenty third on Easter Island with doctor Edward
Speaker 1: Barnhart as our guide, go to Earth Ancients dot com
Speaker 1: forward slash tours and check it out. Because this is
Speaker 1: we only got like a handful of maybe three or
Speaker 1: four places left. So if you want to come Earth
Speaker 1: Ancients dot com forward slash tours and check out the itinerary,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be just so cool. So anyhow, Graham's walking
Speaker 1: around Easter Island and man, I am so looking forward
Speaker 1: to seeing these huge Mai sculptures and the and the
Speaker 1: he gets real close to the quarry, which is fun
Speaker 1: as well. So and we're actually gonna our tour with
Speaker 1: Ed Barnhardt because he's been there and he has all
Speaker 1: the private visits, connections and people to work with. Is
Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna see a lot more than what Graham SyES.
Speaker 1: So that's gonna be a blast. So Ancient a Park clips.
Speaker 1: Keep watching it. It's you know, you can watch the
Speaker 1: whole thing in a long in a long day. It'll
Speaker 1: be a few hours. But I actually believe that they're
Speaker 1: going to do a third and a fourth series. So wow,
Speaker 1: just amazing. Here our program Todays with author and research
Speaker 1: investigator Andrew Collins. He has released a brand new book
Speaker 1: called Carahan Teppee Civilizations of the Ananaki and the Cosmic
Speaker 1: Origins of the Serpent of Eden. This book is so
Speaker 1: packed with brand new photographs, I mean just really really
Speaker 1: fresh and they're colored, and I'm going to be posting
Speaker 1: a gallery of probably up to ten. He's given me
Speaker 1: permission to post at least ten photographs of this Carahan
Speaker 1: Tepee site and we were just there in August, and
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I don't know how he got the
Speaker 1: permission to take these photographs because most of them are
Speaker 1: really really close to these artifacts and these pits subsurface
Speaker 1: temples with all the details of the sculpture, and we
Speaker 1: were not allowed to go in there, so he must have.
Speaker 1: Most of the photographs I think are taken early this
Speaker 1: year and late last year, so they're really really fresh,
Speaker 1: really really detailed and fabulously accurate, very accurate photographs, So
Speaker 1: check that out. You can see the gallery on Facebook.
Speaker 1: Go to Facebook, go to Earth Ancients, go to group,
Speaker 1: or the international page. I'm even going to post a
Speaker 1: few on Instagram, so you'll have some on Instagram. Hey,
Speaker 1: by the way, face our YouTube channels down right now.
Speaker 1: I'm working on getting it back up, so if you
Speaker 1: haven't seen it seen us online, please check it out.
Speaker 1: In about two weeks, I'm going to start actively placing
Speaker 1: more shorts on there because I have a lot of
Speaker 1: footage from some of these places that we go to
Speaker 1: that would be interesting for YouTube shorts, so be sure
Speaker 1: to check that out. So I'm sorry about that. I
Speaker 1: don't like to not have the YouTube videos up because
Speaker 1: we have a lot of video material. So all right,
Speaker 1: So today's program is Carahad Tepi and my guest is
Speaker 1: Andrew Collins. We're featuring an incredible opportunity to visit one
Speaker 1: of the real enigmas of the ancient world, and that
Speaker 1: is Easter Island in the Pacific Ocean. This is a
Speaker 1: new tour that we're doing. But we're lucky because doctor
Speaker 1: Edwin Barnhardt, our host and our tour leader, has been
Speaker 1: surveying this island for over a number of years and
Speaker 1: has some really amazing insights on just how detailed and
Speaker 1: how complicated and how mysterious this island is going to be.
Speaker 1: March fifteenth through twenty third, I wanted to ask I
Speaker 1: had just a brief question or two because I obviously
Speaker 1: have never been there. I'm really excited to be a
Speaker 1: part of this. It was a highlight talk about the moi.
Speaker 1: There's a number of them, aren't there.
Speaker 2: There are so many moai there, it's outrageous. You see
Speaker 2: from coffee table books that there's lines of them, but
Speaker 2: in point of fact, there's over one thousand moi and
Speaker 2: they're spread all over the island there where ancient villages
Speaker 2: used to be, so we're gonna go visit a bunch
Speaker 2: of those. There's also the quarry. There's one quarry where
Speaker 2: almost all of them were made, and a lot of
Speaker 2: them are still half made lying in the quarry. That
Speaker 2: thing is just a site to see how grew up.
Speaker 1: Briefly, and I didn't realize they have an observatory there.
Speaker 1: Is it a planetarium or is it more of a
Speaker 1: setup for evening sites.
Speaker 2: It's a planetarium. It's a passion project by a man
Speaker 2: named EDMUNDO. Edwards who's been studying the archaeoistomy of the
Speaker 2: island for his entire life, I think almost fifty years now.
Speaker 2: He knows more than anyone and he put together this
Speaker 2: planetarium to share this lifetime of knowledge with the visitors
Speaker 2: that come to the place.
Speaker 1: Fantastic. So March fifteenth to the twenty third, that is
Speaker 1: a week, and it sounds like we've really packed a
Speaker 1: lot in during those seven days, right.
Speaker 2: I tell you, For an island that's only twelve miles across,
Speaker 2: there is an endless amount of things to see there.
Speaker 1: Looking forward to it. Fantastic all right? For more information
Speaker 1: to go to Earthncients dot com forward slash tours. Look
Speaker 1: for the photo of Ed standing next to one of
Speaker 1: the big Mai sculptures and register as soon as you
Speaker 1: can again go to Earthnchiens dot com Forward slash tours.
Speaker 1: Thanks Ed, Thank you, Cliff. I mentioned earlier that I
Speaker 1: had gotten back from Go Beckley Teppe and Carahan Teppy
Speaker 1: and our Turkey tour earlier this year. We were there
Speaker 1: in August, and I have to tell you that Go
Speaker 1: Beckley Teppe is a sight to see when you go there,
Speaker 1: and the way they've designed it is amazing, I have
Speaker 1: to say to this. Also, we also had a chance
Speaker 1: to visit Carahan Teppee and meet with the field archaeologists
Speaker 1: there and get a first hand look at it exactly
Speaker 1: what it was composed of. It's it's sub level like
Speaker 1: Go Beckley Teppy, but a completely different design and makeup
Speaker 1: and composition. We're going to talk about this today. I've
Speaker 1: been waiting for this book by my guests today, Andrew Collins,
Speaker 1: the books called Kraahan Teppe, Civilization of the Ananachi, and
Speaker 1: the Cosmic Origins of the Serpent of Eden. And he's
Speaker 1: been working on this book for a while now. But
Speaker 1: he just released it. It just came out a few weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and we're going to talk to Andrew, and just before
Speaker 1: I bring him on. If you can get to Turkey,
Speaker 1: if you can get over there, you need to see
Speaker 1: these places. And they are very unusual. There's a sacredness
Speaker 1: about where they're located, and they're very odd and mystery
Speaker 1: mysterious as well. So hey, Andrew, welcome to Earth. The
Speaker 1: interest is great to see you, great to be Backcliff,
Speaker 1: Congratulations on the book.
Speaker 3: Tholla, thank you.
Speaker 1: It took you away. This one took you a couple
Speaker 1: of years.
Speaker 4: Easy, Yeah, I mean generally it's in the camp for
Speaker 4: a couple of years before the publishers bring it out.
Speaker 4: In all honesty, I mean I started working on it
Speaker 4: at the beginning of twenty twenty two, and so really
Speaker 4: it's only just come out, but it is fully updated.
Speaker 4: I was able to edit it along the way and
Speaker 4: even in the proofreading stages to add brand new material in.
Speaker 3: So it's fully up.
Speaker 4: To date with all the discoveries there. And of course
Speaker 4: it's a twenty year journey, you know. It's not something
Speaker 4: that I suddenly decided to do on the spur of
Speaker 4: the moment. I mean I first went to Gebecley Tape
Speaker 4: in two thousand and four as part of a cultural festival.
Speaker 4: My book from the Ashes of Angels had just been
Speaker 4: published in Turkish and I went out there to give
Speaker 4: lectures and I you know, as part of the deal,
Speaker 4: I got a driver and a interpreter and we went
Speaker 4: around for a week to all these sites that I'd
Speaker 4: been writing about. And so I went to Goebecley Tape
Speaker 4: for the first time. I went to the ancient city
Speaker 4: of Haran, and whilst I was there, there were some
Speaker 4: children trying to sell me a second hand copy of
Speaker 4: a local guidebook, which I you know, looked at and
Speaker 4: I saw this picture of a T shaped pillar at
Speaker 4: a place called Kahan TAPEI and I've never heard of
Speaker 4: this place, I mean, nothing was known about it. And
Speaker 4: I just thought, well, this is obviously the same type
Speaker 4: of site as Cabeci Tape.
Speaker 3: I need to find it.
Speaker 4: So two days later I was in the tech Tech Mountains. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we were just driving around for about an hour and
Speaker 4: a half just trying to find it, and nobody knew
Speaker 4: aything about it. And then finally a guy, you know,
Speaker 4: this guy in Arab on a tractor, you know, pointed
Speaker 4: in a certain direction, and we got to this farmhouse
Speaker 4: and a little kid came out, and you know, there
Speaker 4: our driver interpreted talked to him, and he just pointed
Speaker 4: towards the hill, towards the south. So we went towards that,
Speaker 4: and I started to see stone tools on the ground,
Speaker 4: and the closer you got to this hill, the more
Speaker 4: stone tools you saw, until eventually they were scattered everywhere,
Speaker 4: thousands of them. And you also saw the heads of
Speaker 4: t shaped pillars just sticking out of the ground. And
Speaker 4: also there were these angled corners of what we call
Speaker 4: pultholestones just scattered about, and you know, so finally worked
Speaker 4: were they that they could have come off of a
Speaker 4: medieval building, and yet these were at least eleven thousand
Speaker 4: years old and they were just there scattered about. I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, they were even being used to as you know,
Speaker 4: around fires and things like this, and I just thought,
Speaker 4: this is just bizarre, because it's quite clear that somewhere
Speaker 4: underneath this soil and dirt and rubble was something similar
Speaker 4: to Gebecley tape. And so I would just keep going
Speaker 4: back there year after year, exploring every single part of it.
Speaker 4: Exploring caves in the northern Tepe on the northern hill
Speaker 4: that Corahan faces, trying to get the astronomical alignments based
Speaker 4: on very meager evidence at that time, and just trying
Speaker 4: to work out what was really happening there. We did
Speaker 4: this right the way through until about twenty eighteen, and
Speaker 4: that year we heard that the University of Istanbul were
Speaker 4: arriving to do a survey of the site in preparation
Speaker 4: for excavations, and of course they did that and started
Speaker 4: excavating in twenty nineteen and within two to three years
Speaker 4: and had uncovered this entire complex. I mean, that's even
Speaker 4: more remarkable than Gobecley Tape. And one of the main
Speaker 4: central features of it is the fact that you have
Speaker 4: subsurface structures cut into the bedrock, and this is something
Speaker 4: that you don't see certainly in the same way at
Speaker 4: Gobecy Tape, of which the most impressive of them is
Speaker 4: what we call the Pillar Shrine. They call it Structure
Speaker 4: AB and it's basically there's this huge I can't remember
Speaker 4: the exact shape of trapezoid that's it trapezoid or structure
Speaker 4: that's cut down into the bedrock and it's got ten
Speaker 4: pillars that are cut out the bedrock and rise up
Speaker 4: for about you know, up to about six feet, and
Speaker 4: there's ten of those, and an eleventh pillar that's curved
Speaker 4: and clearly been cut outside and brought in and put
Speaker 4: into a slot, and coming out of the west wall,
Speaker 4: the wall that faces onto the actual cliff of the hill,
Speaker 4: is this massive human head on a long serpent like neck,
Speaker 4: and this head is three times the size of a
Speaker 4: normal human head, and all of that has been up
Speaker 4: out of the bedrock. Basically, I mean, it's an incredible
Speaker 4: engineering feet in its own right.
Speaker 3: And not only is it eleven.
Speaker 4: Thousand years old, but it constitutes the oldest rock architecture
Speaker 4: anywhere in the world. I mean, we're obviously familiar with
Speaker 4: Hindu temples cut out of rock, Ethiopian churches cut out
Speaker 4: of rock, but this was going on eleven thousand years ago.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just extraordinary, and it begs the question
Speaker 4: of what was.
Speaker 3: Going on there at this time.
Speaker 1: And I remember just sturb for I want to ask you.
Speaker 1: We went to a museum there that had a number
Speaker 1: of sculptures from Karahan Teppy that were outstanding, but there
Speaker 1: was a map that we saw Andrew and the map
Speaker 1: was of thirty or forty of these sites that they
Speaker 1: had found that they had excavated. And what does Karrahan
Speaker 1: Teppy mean.
Speaker 4: Well, bizarrely enough, Carahan means the dark Lord, the dark Lord,
Speaker 4: the dark Lord. Yeah, it's the hill of the dark Lord.
Speaker 4: But there is a mundane explanation for it, because that
Speaker 4: wasn't its original name.
Speaker 3: Originally.
Speaker 4: It was actually called Ketchile Tape, which essentially has a
Speaker 4: strong female connotation.
Speaker 3: It kept catch. It comes from the.
Speaker 4: That the Kurdish route catch, which means woman basically, so
Speaker 4: it's like a sort of the female heel, very much
Speaker 4: like female hills in so many other countries, you know.
Speaker 4: In other words, it's like the embodiment of a woman
Speaker 4: in the landscape. But what happened was that the guy
Speaker 4: that discovered Karahn to pay an archaeologist by the name
Speaker 4: of Mahatin Chellek.
Speaker 3: He realized that looters.
Speaker 4: Would come and try and take away whatever they could,
Speaker 4: so he deliberately created a new name to try it
Speaker 4: and fool them so they wouldn't know where it was.
Speaker 4: And that's one of the reasons why it was so
Speaker 4: difficult for me to get there, because nobody knew it
Speaker 4: because this was a created name.
Speaker 3: But as I said, he took ka from.
Speaker 4: One particular local historical site and hand from another one
Speaker 4: and put them together to create Karahan to Pay.
Speaker 3: And as I said, so it means hill of the
Speaker 3: dark Lord.
Speaker 4: I mean that's the title of one of the chapters
Speaker 4: of the book, just out of interest. So he hasn't
Speaker 4: got anything to do with dark lords, I'm afraid. But
Speaker 4: I mean, so you have to ask yourself what is
Speaker 4: going on there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's the question I have for you,
Speaker 1: is that if there's thirty or forty of these these temples, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's the thinking? This is outrageous. And they just announce
Speaker 1: the other day and I can't remember the name of it.
Speaker 1: There's another They just find a place that's fourteen thousand
Speaker 1: years old and it's within these thirty ranges. It's a
Speaker 1: circular group of these these hills, these tepees.
Speaker 3: That's just weird.
Speaker 1: What's going on? What do we think is going on?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean quite clearly there's a lot going on here.
Speaker 4: But the archaelogists want to call this culture and I
Speaker 4: would call them the first post ice Aage civilization taesh
Speaker 4: Tepla teesh Tepola means stone or stony hills. The stone
Speaker 4: relates to the use of tea pillars, and the hills
Speaker 4: are the tepees or occupational mounds in which these uh
Speaker 4: temples if you want to call them, that are being uncovered,
Speaker 4: almost like the revealing of a layer cake of human activity.
Speaker 4: And there are twelve official hash tabla sites excuse me,
Speaker 4: the most obvious being Gebeckley Tape and Carahan Tape, but
Speaker 4: there are a number of others, including a brand new
Speaker 4: site that's being looked at right now, which is Cyburge,
Speaker 4: which is just a few miles to the west of
Speaker 4: shan Lufa.
Speaker 3: But there are many others as well.
Speaker 4: Like Cepha Tepe that that's being excavated at the moment,
Speaker 4: and various others that are either being excavated or about
Speaker 4: to be excavated. But having said that, this is just
Speaker 4: the tip of the iceberg, I mean, some estimates suggest
Speaker 4: there could be anything up to thirty to forty of these,
Speaker 4: as you mentioned, and doctor Lee Claire, who is the
Speaker 4: lead archaeologist at Goebeckley Tepe, you know, he suggests there
Speaker 4: could be as many as one hundred in this three
Speaker 4: And the important thing is that all of them are
Speaker 4: doing roughly the same thing, and what they are doing
Speaker 4: are creating stone enclosures with a series of T shaped
Speaker 4: pillars in the shape of a like the spokes of
Speaker 4: a wheel around either a pair of central monoliths or
Speaker 4: a single monolith. I mean, some of the ones that
Speaker 4: are being found and uncovered right now at Sidbirds just
Speaker 4: have a single monolith.
Speaker 3: In the middle.
Speaker 4: And many of these monoliths are anthropomorphic. You know, they
Speaker 4: have arms carved onto the side, they have the hems
Speaker 4: of garments vertically going down, some of them have belts, obviously,
Speaker 4: they have their hands over their navels, and the actual
Speaker 4: heads themselves are the T shaped terminations of the pillars.
Speaker 4: So you're clearly talking about anthropomorphic human like figures that
Speaker 4: probably represent divine ancestors or some kind of supernatural agency.
Speaker 4: And I mean as far back as twenty twelve, Klaus Schmidt,
Speaker 4: the discoverer of Gebecti Tepe, concluded that they represented the
Speaker 4: ann Archive, the ann Archive being the builder gods, you know,
Speaker 4: the founders of the civilization that would become Samaria and
Speaker 4: a cad and Babylonia and whatever, and that they were
Speaker 4: the ones that helped humanity and gave them the gifts
Speaker 4: of civilization, whether it was the construction of cities, irrigation,
Speaker 4: or sheep and grain. I mean, you know, one of
Speaker 4: the stories relating to the ann Archive is that they
Speaker 4: gave us a gift to humanity sheep and grain. Well,
Speaker 4: this is quite clearly a metaphor for animal husbandry and
Speaker 4: the invention of agriculture in particular, the domestication of which
Speaker 4: we know took place in this very area and was
Speaker 4: instigated by the tash Tepula culture. And this is really
Speaker 4: interesting because you know, there are stories in the very
Speaker 4: area of Cabecti Tepe focused upon the city of shan Lufa,
Speaker 4: which was ancient Odessa in the Bible, that this was
Speaker 4: the garden of Eden. This was the place where God
Speaker 4: put Adam down on earth as a soul, and that
Speaker 4: he made his body out of the red earth locally
Speaker 4: so created him as a man, and from his reb
Speaker 4: obviously they created Adam sorry Eve, and that they lived
Speaker 4: in the Garden of Eden. And you know, they were
Speaker 4: tempted by the serpent of Eden, and this serpent basically
Speaker 4: convinces them to eat of the tree of knowledge of
Speaker 4: good and evil. They realized that they're naked, they lose
Speaker 4: their innocence, and God throws them out of the garden
Speaker 4: because he doesn't want them to eat of the other tree,
Speaker 4: which is the tree of life and live forever. And
Speaker 4: according to the local tradition at Shan Lufa, they go
Speaker 4: east onto the Haran Plane, which is you know, just
Speaker 4: close by, and there they invent.
Speaker 3: Agriculture, and in particular wheat.
Speaker 4: And there's an actual quite funny story relating to this,
Speaker 4: because accord into the story, and I mean there are
Speaker 4: references to this, they're all in my book.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Adam turns to Eve and says, well, what are we
Speaker 4: going to grow? And she said, well, how about this?
Speaker 4: You know this that I brought out of heaven. And
Speaker 4: she opens her hand and she has this stalk of wheat,
Speaker 4: and she said, let's grow that.
Speaker 3: So they grow this and for the first few through
Speaker 3: a few years, the yield.
Speaker 4: Is very low because it's hard work and they can't
Speaker 4: do much plowing. And then a bull appears and they
Speaker 4: realize that they can use the bull to plow the land,
Speaker 4: and the yield gets more and more as it each year.
Speaker 4: So what they do is they have a ritual where
Speaker 4: every year they kiss the head of the bull, you know,
Speaker 4: to give thanks. And you know, at first you think
Speaker 4: this is a very peculiar ceremony, you know, kissing the
Speaker 4: heads of bulls. But the fact is that in Anatolia,
Speaker 4: particularly in Eastern Anatolia, the land itself is the bull.
Speaker 4: You know, everything is the bull. The bull is the land.
Speaker 4: And whenever the bull shakes, you get earthquakes, you get
Speaker 4: thunderstorms and lightning, and the horns of the bull hold.
Speaker 3: Up the heavens themselves, the vault of heaven.
Speaker 4: And this is represented in a lot of art, particularly
Speaker 4: when you come into the Bronze Age. So you know,
Speaker 4: when they're kissing the bull's head, what they're doing quite
Speaker 4: clearly is paying their respects to the land itself as
Speaker 4: part of some kind of ceremony, almost like a thanksgiving
Speaker 4: or harvest festival or something like that. So you know,
Speaker 4: that's the stories from Chandler. And of course, if agriculture
Speaker 4: did begin in this region, which we know it did,
Speaker 4: I mean as much as fifty to sixty different varieties
Speaker 4: of wheat that we use today for everything from beer
Speaker 4: to bread, cakes, pasta can be traced back to a
Speaker 4: source that's within sight of Gobeckley Taepe a place called
Speaker 4: Karaja Dar, which is this extinct volcano. So we know
Speaker 4: that this is where wheat was domesticated for the first time.
Speaker 4: And this area also produced the first beer, the first wine,
Speaker 4: the first idols, the first rectilinear buildings, and so much
Speaker 4: more of our first metallurgy, the earliest animal husbandry, the
Speaker 4: first use of bulls took place in this area a
Speaker 4: site called cha So this is the cradle of civilization,
Speaker 4: there's no question about that.
Speaker 1: But is it a restart, Andrew? Is it a reboot
Speaker 1: from the previous epoch? And on that same note, why
Speaker 1: did the answer archaeologists call these dwellings temples because there's
Speaker 1: sub surface which is very very odd. We don't see
Speaker 1: anything like this any place, asked, And then after that
Speaker 1: I have another question on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the term temple was first used by
Speaker 4: Klaus Schmidt, the discoverer of Gabet Tape, and I'll be honest,
Speaker 4: a lot of the archaelogists that followed in his footsteps
Speaker 4: have wanted to play that down. The most current way
Speaker 4: of thinking is that these are simply special buildings, places
Speaker 4: where community activity took place. Yes, they probably had sharmans
Speaker 4: and storytellers and you know, initiates, and you know these
Speaker 4: were places of rights of passage and whatever.
Speaker 3: But they do play them down now.
Speaker 4: And what they believe is that most of the enclosures
Speaker 4: at places like g Beckley or Carahan are domestic, that
Speaker 4: they were just simply places that people lived. I don't
Speaker 4: believe that, in my opinion, you're dealing with, certainly, in
Speaker 4: the case of Gebecley Tape, almost something like a cathedral,
Speaker 4: if you could think of a cathedral. You have a
Speaker 4: high altar, but you also have a whole load of
Speaker 4: other smaller chapels that are all dedicated to the other
Speaker 4: saints and divinities, you know, the Virgin Mary, Saint Michael, St.
Speaker 4: Joseph or whatever else. And it's I think it's very
Speaker 4: similar with go Beckley Tape. People would come to Gobeckley
Speaker 4: Tape from far re Is, probably all over Anatolia, probably
Speaker 4: from the Levant, and they would spend time there in
Speaker 4: individual enclosures doing their own thing, you know, probably doing
Speaker 4: their own rituals, probably having dream incubation ceremonies, maybe healing,
Speaker 4: something like that. And obviously they would they would visit
Speaker 4: the larger enclosures as well, but then they would go
Speaker 4: away and they would probably not come back there for
Speaker 4: a year or maybe five years or something like that.
Speaker 4: So in other words, the smaller enclosures are almost like
Speaker 4: hotel rooms in a way, but hotel rooms that were
Speaker 4: kitty get kitted out specifically for ceremonies and rituals to
Speaker 4: take place. And obviously that the bigger structures like let's
Speaker 4: say enclosures A, B, C, and D combat to Tape
Speaker 4: that these are where the serious work went on.
Speaker 3: These were like the high altars.
Speaker 4: These were the points of contact between this world, which
Speaker 4: we'd call the middle world and the sky world or
Speaker 4: the underworld, and the whole idea of using them would
Speaker 4: be to access these other levels of existence basically. And
Speaker 4: for this obviously all of the symbolism had to be correct,
Speaker 4: the numerology had to be correct in the right amount
Speaker 4: of pillars.
Speaker 3: And of course teaching was involved.
Speaker 4: I mean, at Gebecley Tape you have pillar forty three,
Speaker 4: which is probably the most famous of all of the
Speaker 4: standing stones at the site. And this seems to be
Speaker 4: almost like a monomic, almost like a sky map that
Speaker 4: enables you to know exactly how to go from this
Speaker 4: world into the sky world, and what you will encounter
Speaker 4: when you get into the sky world you have a huge,
Speaker 4: great vulture, and this vulture symbolizes the soul bird, the
Speaker 4: so called psychopomp. The psychopomp is a Greek word meaning soul,
Speaker 4: a company and or soul carrier. And the reason why
Speaker 4: the vulture was chosen for this purpose is because vultures
Speaker 4: would be allowed to come down and pick clean human
Speaker 4: bodies in the process that we call sky burials. This
Speaker 4: is something that still takes place to this day in
Speaker 4: countries like Tibet and Tibetan Plateau. I mean, if you
Speaker 4: want to just put sky burial Tibet in the search,
Speaker 4: endine engines and very gruesome pictures will come up. And
Speaker 4: you know, this was a process that allowed the body
Speaker 4: to excarnate, you know, the opposite to incarnate, in other words,
Speaker 4: the soul to leave the body. And it was believed
Speaker 4: that these vultures would act a psychopomps, carrying the soul
Speaker 4: into the next world and on the wing of the
Speaker 4: the vulture. GABETI, it's got this this this circle. Now
Speaker 4: that circle represents the human soul. This was their absolute
Speaker 4: symbol for the human soul which they felt resided in
Speaker 4: the head or skull of a human.
Speaker 3: And what the.
Speaker 4: Vultures doing is accompanying that soul into the next world,
Speaker 4: is literally protecting it and taking it into the sky world.
Speaker 4: So this is what's on offer there. But Pillar forty
Speaker 4: three is also a skymap. The vulture is the constellation
Speaker 4: of sickness, which was seen as a vulture in the
Speaker 4: Near East and Anatolia in ancient times. And you know,
Speaker 4: there are other constellations on there as well, like the
Speaker 4: big scorpion on there is almost certainly Scorpius. And once
Speaker 4: you overlay the sky of nine thousand BC with pillar
Speaker 4: forty three, everything becomes apparent as to what's going on there.
Speaker 3: And I think that this was used.
Speaker 4: By Sharman's you know, astronomer priest to show initiates, you know,
Speaker 4: what lay out there. You know, it was quite literally
Speaker 4: something that allowed you to understand the cosmos. And you know,
Speaker 4: this is obviously this is just one of many, many
Speaker 4: different pillars, and we can't interpret all of them, of course,
Speaker 4: but we can certainly interpreate that one.
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Speaker 1: with my guest today Andrew Collins, presenting his newest book,
Speaker 1: Carahan TEPPI will be right back. My guest today is
Speaker 1: Andrew Collins, who has spent a great deal of time
Speaker 1: in Turkey studying go Beckley Teppe and now Carahan Teppee,
Speaker 1: and has produced a new book called Carahan Teppee Civilization
Speaker 1: of the Ananaki and the Cosmic Origins of the Serpent
Speaker 1: of Eden. And we're discussing his views of this ancient relic.
Speaker 1: Let's talk real briefly about your interpretation of these temples,
Speaker 1: because in your book you have what looks like an
Speaker 1: applied configuration to each temple. So there's one portion that's
Speaker 1: an observatory, one portion that's for ceremony, and then another
Speaker 1: portion that's for education. Is this what they are? They
Speaker 1: all kind of seem to have this configuration, don't they.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, let us go to Carahan.
Speaker 4: The most enigmatic enclosure there is the Pillar Shrine. And
Speaker 4: I was there a couple of years ago, and I
Speaker 4: was on a tour, one of our tours, and a
Speaker 4: lady said, if she was looking down at a slide
Speaker 4: of it, you know, on the world looking down on it,
Speaker 4: and she said, there's a there's a big curve that
Speaker 4: goes behind it, you know, carved deeply into the surface
Speaker 4: behind it, that looks almost serpentine in nature. And she said,
Speaker 4: I wonder if the actual shine shrine represents a you know,
Speaker 4: a seed, a human you know, semen and you know,
Speaker 4: with the tail coming out of it. And I thought
Speaker 4: about it for a second and I said, nah, it
Speaker 4: can't be, because they didn't have microscopes back then.
Speaker 3: And but then I looked at it.
Speaker 4: I thought, wit a minute, what if it's not you know, human,
Speaker 4: you know, semen and whatever it is. But what if
Speaker 4: it's an actual snake? What if the shrine is actually
Speaker 4: modeled on the head of a snake. So I realized
Speaker 4: that the one of the most common snakes in the
Speaker 4: Tech Tech Mountains was the Anatolian meadow viper, was very
Speaker 4: poisonous snake. And I overlaid its head on the shrine
Speaker 4: and it was perfect. And you know, and once you
Speaker 4: do this, it's very difficult to undo it. Once you
Speaker 4: realize that this whole shrine is not just a an
Speaker 4: overhead projection of a snake head, but the interior is
Speaker 4: the mouth of a snake. And you have to say
Speaker 4: to yourself, why would you want to go inside the
Speaker 4: head of a snake? And the answer to that is
Speaker 4: to be consumed by it, to quite literally be eaten
Speaker 4: by the snake. Why would you do that to become
Speaker 4: at one with that snake? And the snake is not
Speaker 4: a mundane snake here, I think that we're dealing with
Speaker 4: a cosmic snake, the snake which they saw in terms
Speaker 4: of some kind of supernatural agency that was in the sky.
Speaker 4: And because I'd already discovered that the shrine next to
Speaker 4: the pill of shrine, which we call the pit shrime,
Speaker 4: becaus got this huge, great hole going right the way
Speaker 4: down into the ground for no apparent reason. What I
Speaker 4: found is that that was aligned not only to the
Speaker 4: mid summer sunset around nine thousand B but if you
Speaker 4: continued to look at the same direction where the sun
Speaker 4: set just two hours later, the milky Way would be
Speaker 4: seen rising up into the sky. Now that was interesting,
Speaker 4: But all around the horizon was what's known as the
Speaker 4: galactic bulge, and the galactic bulge which is marked in
Speaker 4: the sky by the stars of Scorpius off Yourchus the
Speaker 4: serpent Bearer, also known as the thirteenth sign of the zodiac.
Speaker 4: The galactic bulge was much brighter in the past, and
Speaker 4: it's on the Milky Way. In fact, it marks the
Speaker 4: center of our own Milky Way galaxy. And I realized
Speaker 4: that this probably represented the head of a cosmic serpent
Speaker 4: that was the actual Milky Way itself. It was a
Speaker 4: world encircling serpent, which is found in.
Speaker 3: Mythologies all over the world.
Speaker 4: It's there in a mythology, it's there in Venic mythology,
Speaker 4: it's there in Native American tradition, it's there in may
Speaker 4: Own tradition, it's in South America as well, and it
Speaker 4: represents the head of a great snake. And this is
Speaker 4: I think exactly what the people at Karahan to pay
Speaker 4: themselves believed and perceived in the sky back in around
Speaker 4: nine thousand BC. So the idea of going into this
Speaker 4: shrime was quite literally to become at one with this
Speaker 4: cosmic serpent, to achieve communication with its active spirit. Now
Speaker 4: that active spirit, I think was represented by the head
Speaker 4: coming out of the wall, which is on a long
Speaker 4: serpentine neck in the pillar shrine, because it has a
Speaker 4: mouth that's oval in shape that looks like it's talking
Speaker 4: to you. You know, if you sit in front of
Speaker 4: it and stare at it long enough, as I have done,
Speaker 4: then the only impression that you get from it is
Speaker 4: that it's trying to tell you something, and if you're
Speaker 4: in an not a state of consciousness, you're going to
Speaker 4: be told whatever that is. It's a little bit like
Speaker 4: with a painting. You know, people say that the eyes
Speaker 4: of paintings follow you around. Yeah, therefore there must be
Speaker 4: some kind of spirit in that painting. Well, it's the
Speaker 4: same thing with this head.
Speaker 1: Did you have to get down in there in the
Speaker 1: pit and see it face to face?
Speaker 4: I've never been in the pit itself, but I've sat
Speaker 4: opposite it in the past.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately you can't do that today, but in the past
Speaker 4: I was able to do that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, your interpretation of it being kind of an oracle
Speaker 1: is the first time I've heard that that, which means
Speaker 1: that perhaps they're using psychedelics to do vision quests or something.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I mean, I mean there's a new enclosure
Speaker 4: that they've just uncovered that's very close to the Pillar Shrine,
Speaker 4: which we're calling the kitchen. And the reason why we're
Speaker 4: calling it the kitchen is because they found what they
Speaker 4: believe is preparations for food there. But what we know
Speaker 4: is that they found a large quantity of bones of
Speaker 4: the Anatolian meadows viper. And this has only come out
Speaker 4: in the past year. In fact's not even officially.
Speaker 3: Been announced yet.
Speaker 4: And I didn't even know that, or certainly I had
Speaker 4: no confirmation that the people at Carahan were actually, you know,
Speaker 4: using the Anatolian meadow viper. And this was the very
Speaker 4: one that I would say the pillar shrine was modeled on,
Speaker 4: that they had the shape of it. So I think
Speaker 4: that they were using this particular form of viper, you know,
Speaker 4: as their point of contact with this cosmic form of
Speaker 4: the serpent. Now what they would do with these snakes,
Speaker 4: I don't know. Maybe they were eating them, maybe they
Speaker 4: were using their venom, you know, or maybe they were
Speaker 4: just holding them in rituals. And I think that if
Speaker 4: you want to comparison to what's going on at carahnd.
Speaker 4: Nine thousand BC, just think in terms of the Delphic oracle.
Speaker 4: The oracle of Delphi involved a priestess who would sit
Speaker 4: on a tripod seat and she would absorb the fumes
Speaker 4: coming out from a dead serpent that was beneath the
Speaker 4: ground that had been killed supposedly by the god Apollo,
Speaker 4: and these fumes would intoxicate her and would allow Apollo
Speaker 4: to possess her and speak through her and make pronouncements.
Speaker 4: What's interesting is that the form of Apollo that came
Speaker 4: through was not Apollo, you know, the beautiful sky or whatever.
Speaker 3: It was a snake.
Speaker 4: It was snakes that would actually come through and possess
Speaker 4: the priestesses. This has shown in various of the you know,
Speaker 4: the depictions of the the oracle and how important snakes were,
Speaker 4: and the fact that Apollo would appear to people in
Speaker 4: the form of a snake. And of course this reminds
Speaker 4: me of ayahuasca experiences because one of the primary things
Speaker 4: that people see when they're on an aahuasca journey is
Speaker 4: a snake. And I mean, you know, they can say
Speaker 4: loads of snakes, but often they will say one snake,
Speaker 4: and it will come up to them like, you know,
Speaker 4: like the Master of Snakes, if you like. And I've
Speaker 4: heard this from more than one person. I've never done
Speaker 4: Aahuascar myself, but I've heard this from from people that
Speaker 4: have that this snake wants to enter inside you, and
Speaker 4: people become fearful that this is actually going to take place,
Speaker 4: so they back away and you know, come out of that.
Speaker 4: But afterwards they say, well, actually, I wish I had
Speaker 4: allowed it, because I think that I would have gained
Speaker 4: some kind.
Speaker 3: Of wisdom and knowledge. And I think that this.
Speaker 4: Is exactly what was going on at Carahan toa Pay.
Speaker 4: They probably were using hallucinogens, almost certainly mushrooms, I should think,
Speaker 4: because there's a lot of mushroom energy, particularly at Goebecley Tape,
Speaker 4: and that they were allowing this spirit of the snake,
Speaker 4: this active spirit of the cosmic serpent, the world encircling
Speaker 4: snake to enter inside them and speak through them.
Speaker 3: And even to.
Speaker 4: This day there are culps around the world that allow snakes,
Speaker 4: you know, you know, the spirits of snakes or gods
Speaker 4: in the former snakes to enter inside people so that
Speaker 4: they become possessed by them and they will then fall
Speaker 4: onto the ground and writhe around like snakes.
Speaker 3: It happens in Thaireland, it happens.
Speaker 4: In Haiti, and I think that this is what was
Speaker 4: going on at Carahan to Pay eleven thousand years ago.
Speaker 1: You described in one of your chapters Structure a d
Speaker 1: which is unusual because it has a window.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what was that used for?
Speaker 1: Was that observation, cosmological observation or something else.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it is astronomically aligned. It's aligned just.
Speaker 4: To the south of east where on dark nights the
Speaker 4: Milky Way would have rose up horizontally, exactly in line
Speaker 4: with its axis, And as the Milky Way rose, the
Speaker 4: Galactic Bulge would rise right in front of you with
Speaker 4: the stars of Scorpius, the salms of Scorpius when I
Speaker 4: certainly represented the active spirit of this cosmic serpent. And
Speaker 4: we can say that because Serpent Mound in Adams County, Ohio,
Speaker 4: for instance, has been interpreted as a form of Scorpius
Speaker 4: in the form of a snake, because Scorpius played a
Speaker 4: prominent role on Midsummer's Night, which is exactly the direction
Speaker 4: that the head of the snake is orientated towards. Now
Speaker 4: that's obviously in North America, but I think that the
Speaker 4: spirit of this snake, well what I call the active spirit,
Speaker 4: was symbolized by Scorpius itself.
Speaker 3: The stars of Scorpias.
Speaker 4: That actually looked like a folk tongue and they're coming
Speaker 4: out of the galactic bulge. And I think that they
Speaker 4: came to represent this active spirit of the cosmic serpent,
Speaker 4: and this is exactly what the Great Ellipses we call
Speaker 4: it structure AD was aligned towards. But I think there
Speaker 4: was more going on here, because, as you've pointed out,
Speaker 4: there was a thin wall on one side with a
Speaker 4: tiny little porthal in it that you could crawl through
Speaker 4: and get into the pillar strine, which is what we've
Speaker 4: been talking about. But you know, you couldn't sort of
Speaker 4: properly climb through it. You had to slither through it,
Speaker 4: almost as if you had to go up then you know,
Speaker 4: push your head and body through it because it wasn't
Speaker 4: very big this whole, and then you would basically have
Speaker 4: to slither down into the shrine itself. And there's a
Speaker 4: suggestion that this may have contained water in the past,
Speaker 4: so you'd have been slithering down into water. What did
Speaker 4: the water represent. I think it represented what many ancient
Speaker 4: cultures referred to as the cosmic ocean or the primeval void,
Speaker 4: which was seen to be like a watery domain existing
Speaker 4: beyond the physical universe itself, and that all life and
Speaker 4: the universe as a whole came from it.
Speaker 3: You get the.
Speaker 4: Ideas for instance, in Gnostic tradition, and there is very
Speaker 4: strong comparisons between what's happening at Carahantapey and Gnosticism.
Speaker 3: The Gnostics believed.
Speaker 4: In a form of God that was beyond the physical,
Speaker 4: beyond the universe as a whole.
Speaker 3: It was in some.
Speaker 4: Kind of supernal realm, and it was like an invisible sun,
Speaker 4: a sun that existed in the darkness, and this was
Speaker 4: seen as the true God, and its manifestation was a
Speaker 4: serpent known as the Good Serpent, and it was this
Speaker 4: that created the universe and the world.
Speaker 3: One of the terms for.
Speaker 4: It, of course, is the demiurge, and the Gnostics would
Speaker 4: try to make contact with God through this serpent. They would,
Speaker 4: you know, use real snakes, as we know. That's why
Speaker 4: they were called Auphites, which means basically, you know that
Speaker 4: the worshipers of the snake, and they would allow this
Speaker 4: snake meta physically to enter inside them and to give
Speaker 4: them these ecstatic experiences so that they could experience the
Speaker 4: oneness with God, the gnosis. This is what they were
Speaker 4: trying to achieve, this oneness with the divine, with God itself,
Speaker 4: and they would do it through communication with the Son
Speaker 4: of God which was the snake of the serpent. And
Speaker 4: a lot of these ideas come from Haran in southeast
Speaker 4: Turkey on the Haram plane, within just a short distance
Speaker 4: of both Krahan to Pay and Gebecley to Pay. And
Speaker 4: it's my belief, and I give all the evidence in
Speaker 4: the book that the ideas that were there Cararahan to
Speaker 4: Pay in particular, were passed down by word of mouth
Speaker 4: and through different cults and religions and groups for many
Speaker 4: thousands of years until they fully manifest at Horan. That
Speaker 4: becomes the center of the Sibiens, the center of the
Speaker 4: Chowde and astronomers and astronomers, and it's the source of Hermetica.
Speaker 4: You know that the Egyptian America, which was processed and
Speaker 4: sent out from Horan, and even the Tarot pack. Believe
Speaker 4: it or not, some of the cards of the major
Speaker 4: Arcana are based upon Horan.
Speaker 3: Just out of interest. But that's another story.
Speaker 1: This one pit that I saw which has this big head,
Speaker 1: it's it's a column pit. It's like so strange. It
Speaker 1: doesn't look like an observatory. It looks like some kind
Speaker 1: of a game where you're you're passing a bar between
Speaker 1: the columns it's so weird. What do you suspect that
Speaker 1: was used for astronomy?
Speaker 4: We can only but speculate, but I think there's a
Speaker 4: growing body of evidence to suggest that it could have
Speaker 4: had water in it. I mean how much water, We
Speaker 4: don't know. It could only have been maybe a foot deep,
Speaker 4: or it might have been more. But that this represented
Speaker 4: the primeval waters, and that that means that people would
Speaker 4: have to, you know, swim around in that wallow, wallow
Speaker 4: around in it, have to process that in some ways.
Speaker 3: It may even be that the water was much higher.
Speaker 4: But the pillars themselves seemed to be almost like an
Speaker 4: assault course in the sense that you had to navigate
Speaker 4: them in a certain order. And I think you probably
Speaker 4: ended the journey by staring up at that head on
Speaker 4: the wall, and that that represented the active spirit of
Speaker 4: the cosmic serpent, and it would talk to you, and
Speaker 4: it would possibly in some way enter inside you as well,
Speaker 4: and that this was part of an initiatory process that
Speaker 4: begins in the greater ellipse structure AD. You then pass
Speaker 4: through that ault whole window into the pillar shrine, and
Speaker 4: at the end of that you get out through some
Speaker 4: steps and go into the third and final shrine, which
Speaker 4: is what we call the pit shrine structure AA. And
Speaker 4: this has got this it in the middle, and it's
Speaker 4: almost and it's got this stone almost like a sort
Speaker 4: of diving board right by the side of it, which
Speaker 4: tempts us to suggest that this also had water in
Speaker 4: it and that you had to dive into that water
Speaker 4: again for some kind of initiation process, some kind of
Speaker 4: communication with the divine And this reminds us, of course,
Speaker 4: of what the Druids would do. I mean, the Druids
Speaker 4: had what we call plunge poles. Those plunge poles polls,
Speaker 4: they would have to go into at night and stay
Speaker 4: there for a considerable period of time, maybe twelve hours,
Speaker 4: maybe even longer than that, and they would have to
Speaker 4: you know, not only communicate with supernatural agencies, but also
Speaker 4: to chart and to recount stories, you know, bardic stories.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is what we know about that the Druids,
Speaker 4: and I think that once again something similar was going
Speaker 4: on at Carahan Tape.
Speaker 3: And now I mean.
Speaker 4: All of this is speculation, of course it is, but
Speaker 4: I think that we are heading in the right direction
Speaker 4: where there. But of course there's more because a lot
Speaker 4: of people say, well, those.
Speaker 3: Pillars coming out of the ground.
Speaker 4: They have larger heads on them, aren't they Just a
Speaker 4: whole load of penises.
Speaker 3: And there's a new statue on the top of the hill.
Speaker 4: You probably saw it yourself in the new enclosure that
Speaker 4: has this huge of a statue that, even in a
Speaker 4: seated position, is seven and a half feet tall. Right,
Speaker 4: And he's he's you know, he's got full faces, he's ribs,
Speaker 4: he's got this weird mullet haircut, and he's holding his privates. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and this is a familiar style of statue that we
Speaker 4: find at the tape and also at this other new
Speaker 4: site that we talked about called Cyberg.
Speaker 3: So you had to say, why why these guys want
Speaker 3: to hold their privates?
Speaker 4: Is it sexual? Are they, you know, trying to show off?
Speaker 4: Are they masturbating or whatever. I don't think he's got
Speaker 4: anything to do with that at all. It's about power.
Speaker 4: It's about the seat of power.
Speaker 3: If you if you think of.
Speaker 4: Vedic tradition, the source of the chakras is in the
Speaker 4: base chakra right at the you know, the the base
Speaker 4: of the body what the the Romans called the cathedra,
Speaker 4: the arch of the body, you know, where the genitals
Speaker 4: are and it was believed that that power rose up
Speaker 4: from there into the upper part of the body. This
Speaker 4: is something we know from yogic and tantric practices, the
Speaker 4: whole chakra system, you know, of the energies rising up
Speaker 4: to the body. And I think that's what they're doing.
Speaker 4: That what they are doing when they're holding their privates
Speaker 4: is saying I have the power, you know, And what
Speaker 4: that means is that they have the power control over
Speaker 4: their environment, over dangerous animals, over fate and destiny, over
Speaker 4: their neighbors, over those around them. You know, they are
Speaker 4: in control, and that energy comes from the base. And
Speaker 4: of course, in Vedic tradition and in Gnostic tradition, I
Speaker 4: show the similarities in the book, both of them are
Speaker 4: represented by a snake inside the body rising up from
Speaker 4: the genitalia upwards through into.
Speaker 3: The upper part of the body.
Speaker 4: That was the symbol of that power, the snake rising
Speaker 4: inside the body itself.
Speaker 1: So here's a fertility statue of some cays.
Speaker 3: As you suggesting, I'm not saying that I don't.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, fertility is obviously important here because
Speaker 4: you know this is a male thing, obviously, but I
Speaker 4: believe that Carahan tape was predominantly female. I think a
Speaker 4: lot of the Shamans were actually charmaness's. They were female,
Speaker 4: probably like the priestesses at the oracle in Delphi. And
Speaker 4: of course, in a traditional sense, it is the woman
Speaker 4: that has the ability to allow the men to gain
Speaker 4: an erection, and that, you know, and.
Speaker 3: That was their power.
Speaker 4: Their power was to bring about the power within the
Speaker 4: man himself. And I think that there's a dualistic relationship
Speaker 4: here between male and female which were symbiotic with these people.
Speaker 4: And I think, you know, it involved very strongly both
Speaker 4: male and female who had their roles here. And so
Speaker 4: it's not about crude sex, you know, this is about
Speaker 4: obtaining a power through sexual energy, something that we refer
Speaker 4: to today as tantrism or the tantric tradition.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 1: with my guest today, Andrew Collins discussing his new book
Speaker 1: Carahan TEPPI.
Speaker 5: I saw the city passing, Mama Wind was in the crowd,
Speaker 5: butterfl so long the demophone like every the second.
Speaker 1: The future is blurry. And my guest today is Andrew Collins,
Speaker 1: the author of Karahan Teppe. I want to remind you
Speaker 1: that we will be in Kraahan Teppe this coming spring
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. You can read all about it at
Speaker 1: earthagents dot com forward Slash Tours. This is a unique
Speaker 1: tour because we have archaeologists who are on the field
Speaker 1: doing the actual digs as our guides. One of the
Speaker 1: things that I've been curious about for a number of
Speaker 1: years since the discovery of Go Beckley Teppe is where
Speaker 1: are the human remains? Where the skeleton remains? And we
Speaker 1: were in there's a go Beckley Tempe Museum and then
Speaker 1: there's another one that's dedicated to Krahan Teppe. And the
Speaker 1: depictions that the the curators had was of a caveman,
Speaker 1: obviously Homo sapien sapien in evolution. But just a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago they reported of finding a petrified skull in
Speaker 1: one of these locations, and they say when they showed
Speaker 1: that picture, it wasn't of a typical Homo sapien sapien.
Speaker 1: I wonder if you know anything about that. And number two,
Speaker 1: it was petrified, Andrew, and petrification starts at ten thousand
Speaker 1: years plus. We haven't heard anything since then, but this
Speaker 1: thing could be extremely old.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the skull we were talking about was discovered at
Speaker 4: a site called Cepha Tep Pike. That's to the northeast
Speaker 4: of Karhan, towards the city of Veranshia.
Speaker 3: It's right on the edge of the Tech Tech Mountains.
Speaker 4: And I was there just a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 4: talking to the archaeologist who actually discovered it. You know,
Speaker 4: she was able to point out, you know, where it
Speaker 4: was found. It was in the extreme northwestern end of
Speaker 4: a special building as they call it, facing towards the north.
Speaker 3: It was on its side.
Speaker 4: However, having said that, I don't know of anything saying
Speaker 4: that it was petrified.
Speaker 3: I aren't going to have to look that up.
Speaker 4: She never mentioned anything about it being petrified. But it
Speaker 4: was definitely for cultic practices because it was on its own.
Speaker 4: It clearly wasn't simply a burial. So you know, obviously
Speaker 4: we wait with baited breath for more news on that.
Speaker 4: As far as human remains are concerned, they find some,
Speaker 4: not many. They have found some more at Gobeckley tapagently.
Speaker 4: Claire and his team have discovered some recently, and we
Speaker 4: obviously await the reports on that, and last year they
Speaker 4: uncovered some at cidbirds and I was fortunate enough to
Speaker 4: actually be there to see those remains, you know, as
Speaker 4: they were being exposed, so you know, yeah, they're there.
Speaker 3: But I must say that I am pretty certain that the.
Speaker 4: Bodies of these people were probably put out for the
Speaker 4: vultures to pick clean, and of course what they would
Speaker 4: do is take away some of those bones. It would
Speaker 4: only be the heaviest of the bones that would remain,
Speaker 4: and the heads would be removed before the bodies were
Speaker 4: put out. There's a lot of symbolism, particularly at Gebecley
Speaker 4: and also at Chattlehoyak, which is a slightly later dated
Speaker 4: site in southern central Turkey, clearly showing the difference between
Speaker 4: you know, people that were being put out for excarnation
Speaker 4: and the so the souls were represented by human heads
Speaker 4: and the bodies that were being put out were being
Speaker 4: shown as headless. You see a headless figure, for instance,
Speaker 4: at the base of Pellar fourty three, but Quebecty tape
Speaker 4: and the headless people basically represent the body itself or
Speaker 4: the lower soul, or only one part of the soul.
Speaker 4: The higher part of the soul is represented by the
Speaker 4: head and that is what's carried away by the vulture
Speaker 4: into the sky world.
Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, what do you think is the purpose of
Speaker 1: these subsurface dwellings? And I mean, if we're coming up
Speaker 1: with dats of perhaps fourteen thousand years ago, this is
Speaker 1: definitely into the Ice Age period. You speculated in one
Speaker 1: of your earlier books that these could have been have
Speaker 1: come down from Siberia and so forth and so on.
Speaker 1: But what's your feeling now, Are you still on that
Speaker 1: track of thinking.
Speaker 4: Yes, I am, yeah, definitely, And more information is going
Speaker 4: to be coming out about this within the next year.
Speaker 4: I happen to know some information which which is going
Speaker 4: to completely blow this one out of out of the
Speaker 4: camp basically because there is a lot of evidence that
Speaker 4: the archaeologists are now beginning to accept that these stone
Speaker 4: tools that were manufactured in Anatolia can be traced back
Speaker 4: to Siberia and Mongolia. It's a journey that doesn't just
Speaker 4: take a few hundred years. I must point out. It
Speaker 4: takes tens of thousands of years for the for the
Speaker 4: full waves of migration to actually reach Anatolia. But there's
Speaker 4: little question that the people involved with tash Tepla at
Speaker 4: least some of them were a shamanic elite that begin
Speaker 4: their journey much further east beyond the Eurasian step, beyond
Speaker 4: the Ural Mountains into Siberia and Mongolia. But having said that,
Speaker 4: it's not the only people involved here. It's quite clear
Speaker 4: that the peoples of the Levant, you know, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Israel, Jordan,
Speaker 4: were also involved.
Speaker 3: All the way down into Egypt.
Speaker 4: There was a major settlement at the time of Gebecley
Speaker 4: Tape at a place called Halwan in Egypt, which is
Speaker 4: within sight of the Great Pyramid, where stone tolls have
Speaker 4: been found that match exactly those of the tached Tepla
Speaker 4: culture of Cabecty Tape. So we know that there was
Speaker 4: at least trading going on between Anatolia and Egypt as
Speaker 4: early as nine thousand BC. And this is not some
Speaker 4: mad theory that I've come up with. Professor Klaus Schmidt,
Speaker 4: you know, the discoverer of gobekley Tepe, wrote a little
Speaker 4: known article, you know, calling this out years ago, and
Speaker 4: I wrote all about this in my book The Signus Key,
Speaker 4: which came out in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: So, you know, there was a relationship between Anatolia all
Speaker 4: the way down into Egypt. But on top of this,
Speaker 4: you would have had people coming in from western Anatolia,
Speaker 4: the Marmarra region. You'd have had people from the Aegean,
Speaker 4: who was almost certainly were seafarers by this time, colonizing Cyprus.
Speaker 4: So you'd have had a huge mix, a cosmopolitan mix
Speaker 4: of people that would have been behind all of the
Speaker 4: different techniques, the technologies, the engineering, the cosmologies, and the
Speaker 4: ideas of tash Tepla. You know, this is not simply
Speaker 4: one group. This is a culmination they're bringing together of
Speaker 4: a number of different peoples. But there must have been
Speaker 4: some kind of hierarchical society, because that's the only way
Speaker 4: that you can get people to create the same type
Speaker 4: of structure in multiple different places over a period of
Speaker 4: fifteen hundred years. I mean, it's like Christianity. You know,
Speaker 4: why do we always build churches with altars in the
Speaker 4: east and we put crosses on those altars and decorate
Speaker 4: them in a similar way, in a way that we've
Speaker 4: been doing for fifteen hundred years. Why do we keep
Speaker 4: doing that because we believe that if we don't do it,
Speaker 4: you won't have a place of worship of God. Basically
Speaker 4: you won't have anywhere to consecrate. And I think that
Speaker 4: it's a similar thing with creating all of these enclosures
Speaker 4: with these T shaped billers.
Speaker 3: Why did they keep doing it? You know, so many
Speaker 3: different settlements. You know, we know of twelve thirteen of
Speaker 3: these tsh Tabla, there could be many as many as
Speaker 3: thirty or forty of them.
Speaker 4: Leclai thinks there could be as many as one hundred.
Speaker 4: Why did they all do exactly the same thing now?
Speaker 4: And the answer to that is that they were told
Speaker 4: to do it because if they didn't do it, something
Speaker 4: bad would happen. And that's something bad, I think, is
Speaker 4: to do with cataclysms. Remember, this is the tail end
Speaker 4: of a major twelve hundred year period known as the
Speaker 4: Younger Dreas that was triggered by almost certainly by a
Speaker 4: comet impact around ten thousand, eight hundred BC. For hundreds
Speaker 4: of years after, there were minor cataclysms and events and
Speaker 4: things going on. And on top of that you had
Speaker 4: this ice age that gripped in the northern hemisphere for
Speaker 4: twelve hundred years. Now that goes eventually and after this,
Speaker 4: places like Gabecty to pay a bill. But you have
Speaker 4: to say yourself, you know what state of mind were
Speaker 4: the people in in once these cataclysms had finished. And
Speaker 4: Barbara han Kloe that the visionary writer referred to it
Speaker 4: as catastrophobia, you know, the fear further catastrophes. I think
Speaker 4: it's a brilliant, brilliant way of looking at it. And
Speaker 4: back then there were no psychoanalysts, there were no psychologists
Speaker 4: or whatever. You only had shamans. And you listen to
Speaker 4: the shamans. If the sharman said, look, I can sort
Speaker 4: all this out for you. You know, you can live in peace,
Speaker 4: you can live without worry every time a comet appears
Speaker 4: in the sky that a cataclysm is going to occur.
Speaker 4: But you have to do what we ask you to
Speaker 4: and that includes building these structures in a certain manner.
Speaker 4: And I think that it's a lot more complicated than that,
Speaker 4: but I think that this is what they wanted. Why
Speaker 4: did they want to create these enclosures because they wanted
Speaker 4: easy access into the sky world and this is the
Speaker 4: way to do it. There are so many catastrops the
Speaker 4: myths around the world where the first thing that happens
Speaker 4: after the you know, the Noah like family survives the cataclysm.
Speaker 4: The first thing they do is build an altar and
Speaker 4: say thank you to their God so that doesn't happen again.
Speaker 4: And I think that that's exactly what the whole tash
Speaker 4: Tepla movement was all about. And it's this that came
Speaker 4: about after the end of the Last Ice Age. Tash
Speaker 4: Tebla is the first host Ice Age civilization, but it's
Speaker 4: also the civilization of the ann archive m HM.
Speaker 1: As we conclude, you've been to Malta and the Hypergem
Speaker 1: and haven't. Oh, I thought, oh, okay, you haven't. I
Speaker 1: mean I was, Hugh Hughes been there.
Speaker 3: I've seen it on television, and I've had.
Speaker 1: People on the show that have found in parts of
Speaker 1: northern Germany and I think in somewhere in close to
Speaker 1: the learning grad is underground ceremonial pits and caves.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is it possible that a portion of these Krahan Teppe
Speaker 1: SATs were made for this type of toning and sounding ceremony.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean Beckley tape, the main enclosures all have
Speaker 4: very specific geometry that seems to be fine tune for
Speaker 4: acoustic purposes. Ratios of four to three, which you find
Speaker 4: even to this day used in the construction theaters. For instance,
Speaker 4: you have very similar going on within the Greater Lips
Speaker 4: at Krahan Tapey that also seems to be finely attuned
Speaker 4: for acoustic purposes. And these type of subsurface enclosures are
Speaker 4: definitely a development of the use of caves during pay
Speaker 4: Lithic times, and a classical example of that would be
Speaker 4: Lascal in southern France. There you have what's known as
Speaker 4: the well shaft, which is this huge, great circular shaft
Speaker 4: that you have to descend down into using a rope,
Speaker 4: and painted on the walls are various different features including this.
Speaker 3: Bird on a pile, a birdman.
Speaker 4: And a bison and a rhino and things like this,
Speaker 4: and they can all be interpreted in astronomical terms, and
Speaker 4: they are in the precise area of where the constellations are,
Speaker 4: but you can't see those constellations, but it's quite clear
Speaker 4: that they existed within this underworld environment and that they
Speaker 4: felt that that same link could be made by going
Speaker 4: underground and using them for rituals and ceremonies that would
Speaker 4: have involved in toning and chanting, and you know the
Speaker 4: use of instrumentation, and of course we know that instrumentation
Speaker 4: will allow you to.
Speaker 3: Get into an alto state of consciousness.
Speaker 4: I mean, there are many cultures, for instance, particularly in Africa,
Speaker 4: that actually don't use hallucinogens. You know, they solely rely
Speaker 4: on other forms to get into water states of consciousness,
Speaker 4: including let's say, drumming. Drumming, if you do drumming for
Speaker 4: several hours on end, eventually you're going to get into
Speaker 4: an auto state of consciousness.
Speaker 3: If you're doing it well into.
Speaker 4: The night, you know, and if you're drumming for days,
Speaker 4: god knows what would happen. So you know, there are
Speaker 4: other forms of doing it. So sound was the way
Speaker 4: of entering into an alto state of consciousness.
Speaker 1: The book's called Carahan Teppy Civilization of the Annarchy and
Speaker 1: the Cosmic Origins of the Serpent of Eden, and my
Speaker 1: guess it has been Andrew Collins.
Speaker 3: This book just.
Speaker 1: Came out, and I wanted to mention to you that
Speaker 1: the photographs are excellent, and I'll tell you why because
Speaker 1: the publisher Inner Traditions, actually published color photos and Andrew took,
Speaker 1: which is very rare. Most of the time that'll be
Speaker 1: black and white. So Andrew twisted some arms to get
Speaker 1: them to actually print the color photographs. I have been
Speaker 1: given permission by Andrew to publish up to seven photographs.
Speaker 1: I'll have those on the Facebook page. Go to Facebook,
Speaker 1: go to Earth Ancients, either group page or the international page.
Speaker 1: They're outstanding. I can't tell you how great they are.
Speaker 1: And they're very recent. A couple of them are from
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, which makes the book very timely.
Speaker 1: The books available on Amazon I just saw it, and
Speaker 1: probably available Andrew wherever you get your publications, correct.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean just any good online bookstore, Amazon, Barnes
Speaker 4: and Noble. And if you want to know more about
Speaker 4: the book and about any of these subjects we're talking about,
Speaker 4: go on to Andrewcollins dot com. You know there's links
Speaker 4: there to all my social media. There's articles on all
Speaker 4: of these subjects. And also, if you want to come
Speaker 4: with us out to Turkey next year, we're going there
Speaker 4: in May and September. You know that I do this
Speaker 4: with my good friend Hu Newman of Megalithmania. So all
Speaker 4: the details are on our website, and you know these
Speaker 4: are voyages of discovery. I mean, we're able to get
Speaker 4: out there because of the tours. If we did not
Speaker 4: have the tours, the chances are we wouldn't be able
Speaker 4: to go out there, certainly not as often. And we
Speaker 4: make discoveries when we're there. I mean every time we
Speaker 4: ever go out there, something new is discovered. You know,
Speaker 4: somebody in the tour group will discover something or realize something,
Speaker 4: so you know it's exciting. So come with us sometime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're that's on megal Lithormania dot com. I believe,
Speaker 1: no dot co dot UK, oh dot co dot UK.
Speaker 1: Thank you for remembering that.
Speaker 3: As I say, everything's on Andrew Colins dot com.
Speaker 1: As we're actually gonna do two tourists of Turkey next year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean we do one in May, which
Speaker 4: is basically to the whole of the country, you know,
Speaker 4: starting off in Istanbul and ending up going through shan
Speaker 4: Laufer and Mardin, which is a beautiful, beautiful place. We
Speaker 4: go to Kappadocia, but then in the September one we
Speaker 4: usually go further east to Lake Varn and all the
Speaker 4: incredible sights out there and reach as far as Mount
Speaker 4: Arrarat in the very northeastern part of Antlia, and that's
Speaker 4: a very interesting area. That's taking my Yeah, we'll taking
Speaker 4: my tress even more and more because I think there
Speaker 4: is that there's stuff to be found out of there
Speaker 4: relating to Tepla, that is drawing me, and I'll be
Speaker 4: going out there.
Speaker 1: You know. I want mentioned and maybe you can talk
Speaker 1: about this for a second. When I was in Anatolia,
Speaker 1: I can't remember, we were at a monastery that produced
Speaker 1: some of the best white wines I've ever had before,
Speaker 1: and their varietal grapes are phenomenal. Because you drink Egyptian wine,
Speaker 1: it's horrible. They don't have anyone. They're so religious they
Speaker 1: won't test their wine. But in Turkey their wine is
Speaker 1: quite palatable.
Speaker 4: I think you're talking about the Saffron monastery at Mardin.
Speaker 1: Are you yes? You go ahead it on the nose.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's a beautiful place, beautiful place, all right.
Speaker 3: Well, and I know the wine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was excellent, so I'm alwayn't sure about that.
Speaker 1: As we conclude. At Karahan Teppe, there was a sunken
Speaker 1: hole at Structure AA that was so smooth it looked
Speaker 1: like a sauna of some kind. Was that filled with water?
Speaker 1: Do they speculate or what? Yeah, very strange.
Speaker 4: I mean, it looks like a mini swimming pool. I
Speaker 4: mean there's even a diving board on the side of it.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it.
Speaker 3: Was full of water.
Speaker 4: I think that they were able to put water in it.
Speaker 4: I think that that was part of the experiential journey.
Speaker 4: I think that the idea was to go back into
Speaker 4: the primeval void that, you know, the cosmic ocean itself,
Speaker 4: to become at one with the source of everything. I mean,
Speaker 4: I think what these people were trying to do at Carahan,
Speaker 4: more so than k Beeckley, was to find out who
Speaker 4: we are, where we came from, what it's all about,
Speaker 4: and to make a connection with what we call God,
Speaker 4: and to get that God to communicate with us. I
Speaker 4: think all of these things, what you might call ontological ideas,
Speaker 4: is what was going on through their head. And I
Speaker 4: actually think that Carara Hantape was a split from the
Speaker 4: Battley Tape. The Batley Tape is almost like a sort
Speaker 4: of Catholic cathedral, whereas what was going on at Carahntape
Speaker 4: is like a Gnostic church.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I would say it.
Speaker 1: Last question and I'll let you go, what do you
Speaker 1: hope to see as a breakthrough at these tepees. What
Speaker 1: do you think is the real What do you suspect
Speaker 1: is the real unveiling here?
Speaker 4: Well, I think that we're just going to see you know,
Speaker 4: I'm going to say more of the same, but I
Speaker 4: mean quite clearly, with every discovery that's made there, we're
Speaker 4: learning something. But what I fear is that the excavations
Speaker 4: are not going to go fast enough for us to
Speaker 4: get the full answers, and that those answers probably are
Speaker 4: not going to be found in southeastern Anatolia, and that
Speaker 4: we've got to start looking elsewhere. And if I wanted
Speaker 4: to follow my nose, I think it would be into
Speaker 4: Armenia and in the direction of the Caucasus, and probably
Speaker 4: even beyond that into the Russian step. I think that's
Speaker 4: where we're going to start finding the links that will
Speaker 4: show us how the tash Tebla movement evolved. You know,
Speaker 4: there are a number of very very early sites on
Speaker 4: the Tigris River, whereas obviously all of tash Tepla is
Speaker 4: on the Euphrates River, and it's those on the Tigris
Speaker 4: that are much much earlier, but they clearly are the
Speaker 4: prototypes of what will eventually take place. You know, places
Speaker 4: like the Veterepe and Kahan, so you know we have
Speaker 4: to learn from those. But even then you say, well,
Speaker 4: where did their technology and innovation come from? And that
Speaker 4: clearly seems to be coming from the north, So you
Speaker 4: know that's what we're looking at.
Speaker 3: You know that the.
Speaker 4: Origins really and to really build that bridge, the bridge
Speaker 4: that not just myself, but many Turkish archaeologists are beginning
Speaker 4: to realize that he's there and that's the bridge between
Speaker 4: Anatolia and Siberia.
Speaker 1: In particular, I thought you would have mentioned something like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm hoping to find the complete grave of a Dinersafin.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you know that the huge statue that
Speaker 4: was found in the enclosure on the top of the
Speaker 4: hill at kara Hand last year. I mean it's seven
Speaker 4: and a half feet tall.
Speaker 3: Statue.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he's seven and a half fect or
Speaker 4: sitting down. If he if he stood up, he'd be
Speaker 4: nine feet tall. He's got this huge, massive.
Speaker 3: Giant head.
Speaker 4: And I've done reproductions of what I think you know
Speaker 4: that the hybrids of the Dinisavans look like, and it's
Speaker 4: very very similar in d To me, what that represents
Speaker 4: is a memory of these ancestors, the people behind the
Speaker 4: creation of tash Tepola. I think that that's the way
Speaker 4: they perceived them, and for some reason, they saw them
Speaker 4: in terms of giants, and I think that here we
Speaker 4: get onto the watchers and the Nephelin, whose story does
Speaker 4: really begin in that area of southeastern and eastern Anatolia,
Speaker 4: as I've written in many of my books, going all
Speaker 4: the way back to from the Ashes of Angels back
Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety six, which I was writing at the
Speaker 4: very time that the first spades were going into the
Speaker 4: ground at the Beetley Tape, and it was almost like
Speaker 4: I knew that there was a missing part of history,
Speaker 4: and now we have found it.
Speaker 1: Wow. As always, wonderful, very insaneful my success on the
Speaker 1: new book, Andrew, and thank you. I appreciate you being
Speaker 1: on the program.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Cliff.
Speaker 1: I mentioned at the beginning of the program that we
Speaker 1: will probably be in Turkey in the spring. I forgot
Speaker 1: that we'll be in March. We're going to be in
Speaker 1: Easter Island Rephannui, and then it looks like it's going
Speaker 1: to be June July for Turkey, and then the final
Speaker 1: tour of the year will be Day of the Dead
Speaker 1: in Guatemala at Tikal and other may insights. So if
Speaker 1: you want to join us for the Turkey tour, and
Speaker 1: I already have some people that want to sign up again,
Speaker 1: it's probably July June, July. We'll have a firm date,
Speaker 1: probably in the next couple of weeks. I'll i'll announce
Speaker 1: it on the show. And this is an opportunity to
Speaker 1: see go Beckley, Tepe, Carahan, Teppe, a number of monasteries,
Speaker 1: a number of places where Roomy was living in some
Speaker 1: of his quotes from his books some of the inspiration
Speaker 1: for those. And the museums in the Turkey are fabulous,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't get over them. They're just
Speaker 1: so modern, multi lingual, and all of them are automated,
Speaker 1: so as you enter a room, the lights go on,
Speaker 1: the sound goes on, the multi playing devices, the digital
Speaker 1: devices are turned on. Very very cool. In fact, they
Speaker 1: arrival many of the Western museums that we see in
Speaker 1: Paris and New York and then London. So real fun tour.
Speaker 1: We're going to try to go when it's not so hot.
Speaker 1: August is a little too hot. Average temperature was one
Speaker 1: hundred and two, but we will be making plans, and
Speaker 1: I know some of you want to go. If you
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Speaker 1: everyone who makes this thing happen. You guys rock all right,
Speaker 1: Take care of you well, and we'll talk to you
Speaker 1: next time.