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<v Speaker 1>One of the best to ever do it. You know him,

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<v Speaker 1>you love him.

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Mitchell on a Tuesday afternoon. Scott, Happy Tuesday, buddy,

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<v Speaker 2>How are we doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Excuse me? Thanks, I'm doing wonderful, Spence. You know, I

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<v Speaker 3>was up in Ogden last week. I drove through there

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<v Speaker 3>on my way to Logan.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, I wish you were back up here today,

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<v Speaker 2>but we'll do it over the phone today, Scott, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>do it over the phone. I want to start with

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<v Speaker 2>a question about two before we get to the utes,

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<v Speaker 2>which is where we'll spend most of our conversation. So

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<v Speaker 2>news just came down, Scott. He's going to the IR

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<v Speaker 2>so he's gonna miss four. And the conversation, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>is should he just stop playing? Should he step away

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<v Speaker 2>from the game as a father and as a husband

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<v Speaker 2>who's already made generational wealth, is it something he should

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<v Speaker 2>consider doing. I don't have the perspective you do, because

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<v Speaker 2>you guys are unicorns. What do you make of the

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<v Speaker 2>conversation right now surrounding Tua tonguava loa.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's a history that you know. This isn't the

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<v Speaker 3>first time, it's not even the second time. It's the

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<v Speaker 3>third time, and you really start to have to ask

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<v Speaker 3>yourself the question. There's a lot of history with guys

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<v Speaker 3>who have had concussions. They they start to get them

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<v Speaker 3>and then they just they don't go away and they

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<v Speaker 3>come back more frequently. Steve Young had the Troy Aikman

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<v Speaker 3>Chris Miller back in my time, and so it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>something that more than likely is never going to go

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<v Speaker 3>away in his career. And it's a real thing that

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<v Speaker 3>the concussions, and you know, it's it's not about you know,

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<v Speaker 3>your life, because your life in the NFL, even if

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<v Speaker 3>it's a long time, it's really a short time in

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<v Speaker 3>your life. There's a lot a lot to go, a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of life to live after you're done, and you

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<v Speaker 3>really have to ask you thisself a question. It's hard, though,

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<v Speaker 3>to answer that question, because to get there, you put

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<v Speaker 3>your you put your body through so much, you put

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<v Speaker 3>your mind through so much. You've sacrificed so much, and

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<v Speaker 3>in a lot of cases, you know, you've sacrificed a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of having a normal body ever again. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>just the reality of it. And so to get there,

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<v Speaker 3>to have that drive, to have that competitive it's hard

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<v Speaker 3>just to turn it off. I mean, you thought kind

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<v Speaker 3>of dealing that with that with Cam Rising. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>he's a guy that doesn't know half speed. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>know when the runout of bounds, he doesn't know discretion.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, He's just like full speed ahead, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to you know, and I'm gonna I'm just going

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<v Speaker 3>to run into whatever I can and and you don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to take that away, you know, from from a

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<v Speaker 3>really good player, and I think it's hard to So

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<v Speaker 3>it's a hard, a hard decision. On top of you know, Spence,

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<v Speaker 3>it's really cool to go to go do that. Like

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<v Speaker 3>I can't even describe to people what it felt like

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<v Speaker 3>to play. It was incredible, It was amazing, and I

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<v Speaker 3>loved it and I loved every minute of it. And

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<v Speaker 3>when it's over, it's over and you don't go back

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<v Speaker 3>to that. So it's a lot of conflicting emotions and

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<v Speaker 3>feelings going through a decision to go, Hey, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm going to pack it in. But you really,

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<v Speaker 3>it's your health, your family, and your your life, your

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<v Speaker 3>quality of life really should should win the day.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder some interesting stuff there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was talking about this earlier because ultimately you

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<v Speaker 2>had an experience that most of the rest of us

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<v Speaker 2>who played sports growing up dreamed of having but weren't

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<v Speaker 2>able to get there. You were able to get there.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I talked to a lot of X pros.

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<v Speaker 2>I work with a lot of X pros on the

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<v Speaker 2>media side. I was on the team side for a

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<v Speaker 2>number of years. Do you ever come close to experiencing anything,

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<v Speaker 2>anything at all like you did when you were a player?

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<v Speaker 1>And attendant to the question, have you ever talked to a.

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<v Speaker 2>Peer or a former teammate that has been able to

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<v Speaker 2>find that thing that fills that board? It always is

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<v Speaker 2>interesting to me to witness former longtime successful pro athletes

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<v Speaker 2>try to figure out what to do next, and even

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<v Speaker 2>if they're successful in those endeavors, which plenty of them are,

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<v Speaker 2>they never seem to find that thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, you know what I mean. So give me your

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts on that.

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<v Speaker 3>Well. The only thing that I've come close to feeling

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<v Speaker 3>like when I played is some of the interviews I've

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<v Speaker 3>had on your show. But they were close, they just

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<v Speaker 3>weren't quite there.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm glad I can help till the board.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually one of the things that I really enjoy because

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<v Speaker 3>you can't there's nothing. There's nothing that I've I've not

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<v Speaker 3>found anything that that replaces it. But I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 3>something that was close. And it was coaching and coaching

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<v Speaker 3>high school football even And it's one thing to go

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<v Speaker 3>out and do it yourself. And and the entery, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the excitement of a game. And and I don't care

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<v Speaker 3>where you play, you know, or a coach or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Going out and playing in the game, it's fun, it's exciting,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's it's a great thing. But to see other

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<v Speaker 3>people learn and have success from something you taught them

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<v Speaker 3>that that was a that was a cool thing for me.

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<v Speaker 3>And and to see them, uh progress and get better

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<v Speaker 3>and win and succeed at it and and and really,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, seeing you change lives, that that was extremely

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<v Speaker 3>exciting for me. I had an opportunity to spend some

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<v Speaker 3>time with Roger Staubach, who did an incredible transition from

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<v Speaker 3>his playing career into very very successful commercial real estate endeavor.

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<v Speaker 3>And I actually asked him, I said, you know, you

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<v Speaker 3>impact the lives of so many people in your business,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I think he had fifteen hundred employees. And

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<v Speaker 3>I said, that must be a really satisfying thing. And

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<v Speaker 3>he says, It's the one thought I think about every

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<v Speaker 3>day that my decisions and how I run my business,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, impact the life of thousands of people every day,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's really the driving force of what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I think, you know, engaging in things that

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<v Speaker 3>make a difference and impact people in a good way,

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<v Speaker 3>that's kind of where I've found. It Certainly doesn't replace

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<v Speaker 3>or feel the same as when you played football at

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<v Speaker 3>its highest level, but it's it's a very rewarding thing

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<v Speaker 3>to be a part of.

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<v Speaker 2>Well said, all right, last pro football question that we'll

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<v Speaker 2>move on to some mute stuff. Britain Covey Scott last night,

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<v Speaker 2>I got six targets, six catches, which equals the targets

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<v Speaker 2>and catches he had had prior to last night.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, no Aj Brown, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Philly's wide receiver one, but that's still a crowded room.

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<v Speaker 2>They got DeVante Smith some other good players. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>think we're going to see this moving forward? Britain Covey

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<v Speaker 2>being utilized not just as a punt or a kickoff returner,

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<v Speaker 2>but actually getting wraps and getting looks from Jalen Hurts

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<v Speaker 2>as a wide receiver.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, I've always loved Britain. I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>they utilized him as effective as they could have. At Utah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean he's in that slot position where you're not

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<v Speaker 3>going up against the team's you know, shut down corner.

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<v Speaker 3>You're a little bit undersized, but amazing speed quickness. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>he has that speed and quickness that translates to the NFL.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a playmaker. He's a guy that can make plays

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<v Speaker 3>and and he's got a you know, he's just a

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<v Speaker 3>tremendous human being. I mean he's just a really good person.

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<v Speaker 3>He understands, he gets it, he works hard at it

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<v Speaker 3>and there and for guys like that, there's always a place.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Taysom Hill at Buyu, he was a quarterback,

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<v Speaker 3>but he was a much greater athlete and they figured

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<v Speaker 3>out how to utilize him. And the NFL is good

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<v Speaker 3>at that. They just find they find places for people

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<v Speaker 3>who have unique abilities and talents. And you see that

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<v Speaker 3>Julian Edelman's and some of these undersized receivers have a

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<v Speaker 3>ton of success in the NFL because they're they're quick,

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<v Speaker 3>and they can get open and they can be productive

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<v Speaker 3>and and uh, you know, I just see Britain being

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<v Speaker 3>a guy like that, and he's he's done enough. He's

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<v Speaker 3>found ways to keep himself there and relevant because there

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<v Speaker 3>you know, your opportunity will come at some point if

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<v Speaker 3>you stick around, you just have to be ready for

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<v Speaker 3>it when it happens. And you're seeing a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>of that with with Britain UH in Philadelphia.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, moving over the Utes, Let's go back to

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<v Speaker 2>last Saturday, Maverick Stadium, first time up in Logan in

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<v Speaker 2>twelve years.

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<v Speaker 1>For the Utes started out a little Harry and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people were nervous.

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<v Speaker 2>You could definitely feel it, getting the text messages from

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<v Speaker 2>buddies and family members like is this really going to

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<v Speaker 2>go down? But Isaac answered some questions Scott, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I was proud of the kid.

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<v Speaker 1>It's weird to say, but youte fans.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, a little PTSD from a year ago when

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<v Speaker 2>it you know, Cam goes down, then Brandon goes down,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was Bryson, then it was Nate, then it

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<v Speaker 2>was Bryson and Nate, and it just it never looked.

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<v Speaker 1>It never looked the way it needed to to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be prepared for an emergency if you lose a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of quarterbacks, and I think at least for one day.

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<v Speaker 2>Isaac answered some questions about what it does look like

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<v Speaker 2>should Cameron have to miss time. So give me your

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts on Isaac's performance against UTAs here.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we witnessed the Cam rising backup full on Saturday,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, between Bryce and Barnes and Isaac Wilson and

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<v Speaker 3>won the former and now the present, and you know

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<v Speaker 3>that was that was the really big thing for me. Football.

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<v Speaker 3>Football seasons are and games have emotional ebbs and flows

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, the whole the whole tide of the

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<v Speaker 3>game kind of you know, it just it just changes

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<v Speaker 3>all the time, and good teams, mature teams and capable

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<v Speaker 3>teams find a way to kind of change that momentum

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<v Speaker 3>and answer to that momentum. I think Utah was down

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<v Speaker 3>fourteen to three, and you know I was one of

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<v Speaker 3>those nervous people as well, and that's when that's when

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<v Speaker 3>it just clicked in and they went on a drive,

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<v Speaker 3>went down and scored and it was really that moment

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<v Speaker 3>of kind of changing that low point in the game

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<v Speaker 3>into a really positive thing. And look, two things are happening. First,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a road game, and road games are real regardless

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<v Speaker 3>of the opponent. And you're in and Utah's in this

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<v Speaker 3>new environment. It's tough. They came to play, they have

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<v Speaker 3>they have some players, and then you're starting a true

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<v Speaker 3>freshman quarterback, Isaac Wilson is it's I mean, he's fairly

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<v Speaker 3>out of high school, barely looks like he's at a

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<v Speaker 3>junior high school. And and it's and so he's, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>he's dealing with that, and the whole team's dealing with that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, houses kid's gonna respond even though it's you

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<v Speaker 3>know not they're not playing Texas, They're still playing a

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<v Speaker 3>good football team. And and and you still get nervous

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<v Speaker 3>before your first start. And so it took a minute

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<v Speaker 3>and and and it and then when he started gaining confidence,

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<v Speaker 3>it's when everyone else really started gaining confidence. But I

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<v Speaker 3>appreciated coach Whittingham, coach Ludwig for saying, we're not going

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<v Speaker 3>to abandon this kid, We're not going to stifle him.

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<v Speaker 3>Where I mean, they started the third quarter, I think

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<v Speaker 3>they threw the ball five or six straight times in

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<v Speaker 3>a row. I don't know that. I don't know that's

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<v Speaker 3>ever happened with Cam Rising in the game, and he

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<v Speaker 3>and Isaac Wilson was way up to the challenge. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>he made some really really mature moves and throws in

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<v Speaker 3>the location, and you know, he can throw the ball

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<v Speaker 3>pretty much anywhere you need him to, and you can

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<v Speaker 3>just see him getting more comfortable and more confident as

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<v Speaker 3>thoroughly impressed with the very beginning of Isaac Wilson.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's move over now to what Utah State was

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<v Speaker 2>able to do and what you think it means as

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<v Speaker 2>far as what Utah has to improve upon moving forward,

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<v Speaker 2>because look, there was soul Faizan kid is a good back.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're about to see Ali Gordon, who won the

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<v Speaker 2>dok Walker a year ago nineteen carries one point fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Utah State goes for three eighty five in total. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I would imagine that Morgan and Kyle aren't thrilled with that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's probably fair to say that if

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<v Speaker 2>you're not better in those areas, Okay States can provide

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<v Speaker 2>a really really stiff challenge on the road. So your

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts on that dynamic and other dynamics you think Utah

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<v Speaker 2>needs to improve upon this week to go get that

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<v Speaker 2>win in Stillwater?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, offensively, you know it's being able to consistently go

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<v Speaker 3>down the field and score. You're just going to have

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<v Speaker 3>to do that. You're gonna have to. You can't get

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<v Speaker 3>shut down and go three and out four or five

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<v Speaker 3>times in a game. You don't. They don't have very

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<v Speaker 3>many possessions even anymore in college football with the change

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<v Speaker 3>of time, you can't get your defense tired. So and

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<v Speaker 3>that's what Cam Rising is really good at is he

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<v Speaker 3>can consistently go down the field and score on teams.

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<v Speaker 3>Oklahoma State has had some challenges defensively, but on the

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<v Speaker 3>defensive side, you know, Utah decided to go after Bryce

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<v Speaker 3>and Barnes put their dvs who really haven't been put

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<v Speaker 3>in a lot of tests, you know, press man coverage,

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<v Speaker 3>and bryceon took shots, I mean, and some of them

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<v Speaker 3>he connected on amazing catches, but also some really good

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<v Speaker 3>defensive plays. You know, you kind of throw those fifty

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<v Speaker 3>to fifty balls and it was kind of fifty to

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<v Speaker 3>fifty fifty percent of the time. They made great catches

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<v Speaker 3>and we had two really really good interceptions smith Snowden

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<v Speaker 3>and Cameron Calhoun. But you tak dna is to stop

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<v Speaker 3>the run, Oklahoma States, dna is to run the football.

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<v Speaker 3>And so it's a it's a it's a matchup of

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<v Speaker 3>power versus power. What Oklahoma State has shown is that

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<v Speaker 3>they're not afraid if you're gonna stack the box on them,

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<v Speaker 3>which everyone has done. Everyone's just so far this season

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<v Speaker 3>just said we're not going to let Olli Gordon beat us.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna have to be to throwing the football and

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<v Speaker 3>and Alan Bohannon has actually been able to do that

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<v Speaker 3>so far. And that that's the thing I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>really surprised me is Oklahoma State's willingness to throw the

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<v Speaker 3>ball and throw it a lot early this year. I

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<v Speaker 3>think I think that's going to be the challenge of

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<v Speaker 3>the game is you know, you've got to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to stop the run. I mean, if you don't stop

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<v Speaker 3>the run, you're just not gonna win. So you've got

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<v Speaker 3>to be able to stop the run. But you also

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<v Speaker 3>have to minimize the success that Oklahoma State's going to

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Scott, before I set you, I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I hate to even say it this way, but if

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<v Speaker 2>I told you that you had to place a sizeable

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<v Speaker 2>bet with the Scott Mitchell quarterback NFL savings on whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not Cameron Rising was going to play all season.

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<v Speaker 2>My guess is you would say probably not. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what the confidence level is around here that the

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<v Speaker 2>kid can stay healthy.

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<v Speaker 1>I want him to.

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<v Speaker 2>We all want him to. So let's move over to

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday and let's go under center with Cam. We all

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<v Speaker 2>believe he is going to be the guy. What do

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<v Speaker 2>you hope to see from him? Because the whole conversation

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<v Speaker 2>I had it with you, I had it with other coaches,

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<v Speaker 2>other people leading up to the season, is can you

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<v Speaker 2>change the way that kid's mind is wired so that

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<v Speaker 2>when he is in trouble he gets out of trouble

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to trying to make something happen. So from

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<v Speaker 2>the standpoint of that, what are you hoping to see

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<v Speaker 2>on Saturday? And then just from a big picture standpoint,

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<v Speaker 2>what are we hoping to see from Cameron Rising in

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the thing I'm curious about is how much does

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<v Speaker 3>this impact his ability to throw? I mean, he had

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<v Speaker 3>a glove on last week. There's a lot of speculation

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<v Speaker 3>that will wear a glove. Some quarterbacks have had a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of success. Kurt Warner started wearing a glove all

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<v Speaker 3>the time and really liked it. And I know, I

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<v Speaker 3>know when you go from not wearing a glove to

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<v Speaker 3>wearing a glove, there's just a time of getting comfortable

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<v Speaker 3>and confident with that. And if it if it helps

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<v Speaker 3>Cam to be successful, you know, maybe wearing a glove

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<v Speaker 3>makes all the difference in the world. And he's totally

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<v Speaker 3>fine throwing the ball, but if it's if it's awkward

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<v Speaker 3>and it feels weird and he can't feel get comfortable

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<v Speaker 3>with it, it's going to be an issue. But to me,

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<v Speaker 3>can he throw effectively? And he's going to have to

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<v Speaker 3>because they're going to stack the box against Utah because

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<v Speaker 3>these two teams are mirror images of each other. They

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<v Speaker 3>want to run, they're going to try to run against

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<v Speaker 3>you know, an expanded front, but they're also going to

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<v Speaker 3>throw the ball down the field when they have to.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just to me, can he can he throw

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<v Speaker 3>and not not have this be an issue. One of

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<v Speaker 3>the good things Utah has this year is two bye weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>Have a bye week it's the first of October in

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<v Speaker 3>the first of November, and a lot of these kind

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<v Speaker 3>of nagging injuries that some of these players are going

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<v Speaker 3>to get, they're going to get some really good time

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<v Speaker 3>to rest up and go through what I think is

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<v Speaker 3>going to be a long season. And but Cam has

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<v Speaker 3>got to be able to to throw the football. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not gonna at this point in Cam's career. I think

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<v Speaker 3>Kyle's kind of come to this as well. He's not

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<v Speaker 3>going to change who he is. He's going to go

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<v Speaker 3>out there and he's gonna, you know, he's gonna storm

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<v Speaker 3>the beaches and and do his thing and and I

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<v Speaker 3>think you just have to roll with it. And but

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<v Speaker 3>I think you can feel pretty comfortable with Isaac Wilson

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<v Speaker 3>being a, you know, a solid backup and he'll probably

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<v Speaker 3>end up playing some more this year.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Scott, thanks for the time, Buddy, travels safe

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<v Speaker 2>and have a great call on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I appreciate it. Thanks