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Speaker 1: I on the Ball with Steve Ribera and Jay Gonzalez,
Speaker 1: Fox Sports fourteen fifteen.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to Winning the Ball here at Fox
Speaker 2: Sports fourteen fifteen. I'm Steve Roberta in today for Jay.
Speaker 2: This is Lemon Hunry and now we have one with
Speaker 2: breaking news.
Speaker 1: This is I on the Ball, Breaking news.
Speaker 3: All right, y'all, Happy Friday out there. From yours truly,
Speaker 3: mister goody two shoes. Starting off with some Olympic news,
Speaker 3: the USA mixed relay team say a world record and
Speaker 3: placed first in gold and therefore by four hundred. The
Speaker 3: team of Vernnon Norwood, sameir, Little Kaylon Brown and Bryce
Speaker 3: Deadman did it with the time of three seven forty one.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, you.
Speaker 4: Said bix based on previous performances.
Speaker 3: No, so like man and women's Oh I didn't know
Speaker 3: they had.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they have a mix male and females run together
Speaker 4: just the first time.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 4: I heard the word mixed, so I was that's good.
Speaker 2: That's a good question.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I guess so kind a sport guy
Speaker 4: on you.
Speaker 2: Not a good one, not a good I told you,
Speaker 2: I've told people on the show. I'm not a sports
Speaker 2: fan anymore. You you're fan. You athletes are a bunch of
Speaker 2: pain in the asses. Why would I follow you guys?
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 4: That's why I stayed behind it from away from them, right.
Speaker 2: Well, you know you probably have friends with some of
Speaker 2: those guys are just kind of not not great guys.
Speaker 4: I apologize, but explain that one. We got to figure
Speaker 4: it out out.
Speaker 3: See if I can get that more information on that,
Speaker 3: because I barely know enough about it. But I mean
Speaker 3: it's a new Olympics. You know, they looked through everything
Speaker 3: after what we went through the last four years and
Speaker 3: all the changes and everything. So I think it's a
Speaker 3: cool thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And with with highs of highs, there comes lows. The
Speaker 3: USA men's soccer team was eliminated today by.
Speaker 4: Morocco or not even close?
Speaker 2: Yeah close.
Speaker 3: So, but I mean they went out there, they competed.
Speaker 2: Before your daughter got into soccer. Did you know anything
Speaker 2: about soccer? Yeah, me too, I didn't know it was
Speaker 2: called that was all sides. What position did you play?
Speaker 4: She played defensive?
Speaker 2: Port? Oh so she was out front?
Speaker 3: Okay. On the Olympics men's basketball side. Germany beat France today,
Speaker 3: which kept Greece alive for the Olympic knockout round, but
Speaker 3: you kind of Germany's undefeated, so you're kind of looking
Speaker 3: at a possible opponent for the USA men's team. They've
Speaker 3: been doing good, possibly headed for a collision course with
Speaker 3: the USA team.
Speaker 4: Did they play the women?
Speaker 3: I think they did. I believe they play one early
Speaker 3: this morning.
Speaker 2: I can find that, and did did the chase playing
Speaker 2: ger and then play already?
Speaker 3: And simp they played today? I played later today. I
Speaker 3: know they're one two.
Speaker 4: That's exciting.
Speaker 2: They're one and two or one and one, one and two.
Speaker 2: They lost again. Oh they're not going to get out
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 3: Round then, okay.
Speaker 4: So it's now in the men's volleyball. Is it two
Speaker 4: teams one?
Speaker 2: They have to they have two because I saw the
Speaker 2: second team play yesterday and they won yesterday. I didn't
Speaker 2: know that either, but I guess to have two teams.
Speaker 4: Because I figured it is because they have two women.
Speaker 4: We got to do our researches.
Speaker 2: See mixed mixed volleyball.
Speaker 4: Research with that mixed basketball.
Speaker 2: But look at the three on three.
Speaker 4: I had no idea about that.
Speaker 2: That just started and they're not doing Could you do
Speaker 2: that and they're not doing well?
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, how could we have such a bad
Speaker 4: three on three Because be some talents.
Speaker 2: There is, but they're not pro well. Jimmy ferd was
Speaker 2: was one of the key guys. Good players, guys that
Speaker 2: you would name. No, but they're not NBA guys or not.
Speaker 4: But the three on three used to be x NBA players.
Speaker 2: Yeah kind of yeah, well at least one of them was.
Speaker 2: I can't remember the other two. They weren't the final four.
Speaker 2: They kind of did an exhibition. But guess what. The
Speaker 2: other places have pretty good. There are other weightlifting or
Speaker 2: or places that sell equipment that do pretty well. I'll
Speaker 2: give you that. Are there.
Speaker 4: No, we don't show it town.
Speaker 2: Oh look at you monopoly.
Speaker 4: No, no, it just turned that way. Come see me serious.
Speaker 4: Series is no longer your business. You put them out
Speaker 4: of business. No, they made that choice. I had nothing
Speaker 4: to do with it. It's a guy here, I'm sure.
Speaker 3: Go ahead to follow up on the women's basketball. They
Speaker 3: beat Belgium eighty seven seventy four yesterday, so that was okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how about how about the women's gymnastic start again tomorrow?
Speaker 2: Right, I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's free. There's like five different it's called it free something. Oh,
Speaker 4: freestyle freestyle. I think that's different than the Olympics, the
Speaker 4: ones that you.
Speaker 2: Just saw because in the Biles kind of winning, but.
Speaker 4: She got an opportunity. They don't get medals for the freestyle.
Speaker 2: That's different. I think that's with the ribbons and stuff. See,
Speaker 2: this is the homework that we don't do. This is
Speaker 2: you know, but she's a part of it. Oh, I
Speaker 2: don't know about that because she just won the all around.
Speaker 2: She won, I know that, which means that kind of
Speaker 2: almost almost wrapping up the whole situation because that's a
Speaker 2: different type of thing. And we're gonna get a call
Speaker 2: here saying that we don't know what the hell we're
Speaker 2: talking about. It would stead be right right because I
Speaker 2: have you bring it up stuff, but don't talk about that.
Speaker 2: We don't know.
Speaker 4: I just work here.
Speaker 3: But UH, as some NBA news, the Kobe Bryant Staples
Speaker 3: Center locker UH sold for two point nine million at
Speaker 3: an auction. What's up the locker from two thousand and three?
Speaker 3: Four seasons?
Speaker 2: So we have time, we have time to be as
Speaker 2: I know, you collect stuff, and you have stuff because
Speaker 2: you're in house and blah blah blah. What's the cool
Speaker 2: most thing you have that would be it would be
Speaker 2: worth something.
Speaker 4: Oh well, I got a few things that were something.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, well I gotta I have a autograph football
Speaker 4: with Roger starback on it. I have a helmet with
Speaker 4: Jim Brown on it. Okay that can I have a
Speaker 4: basketball with she's the basketball coach at U s l A.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, we wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't we would not have a basketball and an autograph book.
Speaker 2: I have that.
Speaker 4: So those are three things.
Speaker 2: That mean something to you.
Speaker 4: You know what. Actually, the one autograph that I do
Speaker 4: have that means to me, it's it's it was from
Speaker 4: Randy White that and actually Randy White was playing for
Speaker 4: the Cowboys. It just started. I was a Cowboys fan
Speaker 4: back in the day, and Randy White was just started
Speaker 4: playing for the cowboy Boys, and and Ricky was on
Speaker 4: his recruiting ship at Maryland and Randy played that and
Speaker 4: so Ricky got he had this this shirt of something
Speaker 4: and he had ran the right autographic for me. And
Speaker 4: that means something to me because I was a big
Speaker 4: Cowboy fan.
Speaker 2: And so you it's it's a shirt, a shirt with
Speaker 2: his autograph, just a sample shirt. Yeah, framed or.
Speaker 4: No, no, I got I had it.
Speaker 2: Like folded up. Okay, okay, cool?
Speaker 4: But yeah that that was about doing and stand up
Speaker 4: and man, I have other things I got stuff like that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's just collective, is that it?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: You got going In the NFL news Seahawks. You know,
Speaker 3: Smith got positive news on his injury. They said he
Speaker 3: should have been missing any more time than the practice.
Speaker 3: You know Smith, quarterback.
Speaker 4: The quarterback. Okay, he was hurt. He got injured at
Speaker 4: the end of the year, didn't it. Yeah. How about
Speaker 4: the Cowboys? Man, it's seas Lamb. Is he gonna? Are
Speaker 4: you gonna sign on?
Speaker 3: If you did?
Speaker 4: What it matter? You must be a Reskin no Commander.
Speaker 2: Fan, a Cowboy fan. Not really so I used to be.
Speaker 2: I grew up in New Mexico. The only thing you
Speaker 2: saw was the Cowboys. I got over that a long
Speaker 2: time ago. The fact that he was there last weekend
Speaker 2: and I called them the they're the delusionals because you know,
Speaker 2: when we were both young men, the last time they
Speaker 2: played in the Super.
Speaker 4: Bowl exactly right, and you know, and and the only
Speaker 4: reason I became a cowboy fan because I didn't want
Speaker 4: to be a redskin everybody.
Speaker 2: Else in my house my dad was askin.
Speaker 4: We're from Virginia, so that was the team back there,
Speaker 4: and so I wanted to be different, and so I
Speaker 4: became this big cowboy fan. And you know, and the
Speaker 4: stallbacks and well it was okay when you were younger
Speaker 4: was great, Thursty, Oh my god. We had the biggest
Speaker 4: fights in.
Speaker 2: My house, especially especially when the quarterback replaced who replaced
Speaker 2: starback that.
Speaker 4: You remember you got in a fight.
Speaker 2: Fight. Eventually he saved him, he saved and then he
Speaker 2: got in the fight and then he was gone.
Speaker 4: He was yeah, because he's gotten to fight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know you were a Dallas Cabs. Moved
Speaker 2: to Dallas out of college and possibly end up there
Speaker 2: and worked at the paper. And do you realize that's
Speaker 2: too big of a market for a kid?
Speaker 4: Now? Did I see something about Jerry selling his team
Speaker 4: to Crunky the Rams or is that fake news?
Speaker 2: That's gotta be fake.
Speaker 4: That's gotta be that's fake.
Speaker 2: What sites are you on?
Speaker 4: Fake? But I saw something I did. I saw something
Speaker 4: like that. He the deal is a solid, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, he has nothing else, but this team to live.
Speaker 4: For well first and foremost. He can't sell that team
Speaker 4: to his own. So now you know, now I know
Speaker 4: it's fake. You answered your old question. I did. Well,
Speaker 4: maybe there was there was some hope and belief that
Speaker 4: new ownership can make the difference in this team.
Speaker 2: There you go, that's a solution.
Speaker 4: This that's where it all started. Ownership. She's been ownership.
Speaker 4: But we got time. And then when I played for
Speaker 4: the Indianapolis coach and I played for the family field
Speaker 4: and my god, you tell my ownership. And honestly, the
Speaker 4: reason why we didn't win is because.
Speaker 2: Of well he was still in trouble two or three
Speaker 2: years ago. I kept that's the son. Well that's the
Speaker 2: same family.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But but but what I'm saying is that did
Speaker 4: Daddy Jim or say himself. He didn't treat the team
Speaker 4: like you know, a real business or team.
Speaker 2: That was just plato.
Speaker 4: He was practicing one day, right and he brings his
Speaker 4: helicopter and laying right on the field while we practice.
Speaker 4: We've just moved out a way out here, right office
Speaker 4: and go back to practice and stuff.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 4: It was awful and and it just goes to show you, man,
Speaker 4: you got good management.
Speaker 2: Sure he went on the field. No, kind of like
Speaker 2: we're talking about coaches and players, you have to have
Speaker 2: the top at the top.
Speaker 4: I guess I answered that question to I guess I'm
Speaker 4: coming to your side.
Speaker 2: Usually happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's rare.
Speaker 4: No, it's on his side.
Speaker 2: Usually, I don't know what he's got a point?
Speaker 4: Yeah he has one point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all I need. That's all I need.
Speaker 3: That's in some college football news Baylor consulting. Gary Patterson
Speaker 3: is no longer within his role.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that. That just happened today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was hired in February. Yes, they didn't see
Speaker 3: I but.
Speaker 4: So because he couldn't be the head coach.
Speaker 2: They probably didn't believe in his philosophy.
Speaker 3: But he was with the Texas Texas Longhorns before that.
Speaker 3: Obviously with the coaching.
Speaker 2: I thought, he's a pretty good coach.
Speaker 4: Maybe you'll go back to Texas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that probably take all the hell.
Speaker 2: Do you know you know dope County? Oh Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sure he was in your trying to get in
Speaker 2: your pockets too, trying to give me some money. He's
Speaker 2: a he's a character.
Speaker 4: No, you know, I wasn't even in his radar. Oh, yes,
Speaker 4: a different radar you don't.
Speaker 2: Have deep enough, that makes sense.
Speaker 4: But yeah, he's a character. He's in the right place.
Speaker 3: But today is the official first day for Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado,
Speaker 3: and Utah's members of the Big Twelve.
Speaker 4: See that's what I said earlier, Stee that for them, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: but the Big Twelve, Yeah for them, right, So they
Speaker 4: made it seem like it's a big thing for the
Speaker 4: whole Big Twelve.
Speaker 2: It's all about.
Speaker 4: The teams that's coming into the Big Twelve.
Speaker 3: Correct, pretty much?
Speaker 4: Thank you, he's pretty much.
Speaker 2: So here's what I was gonna Are you kind of pregnant?
Speaker 2: But you either you are or not.
Speaker 3: What I was gonna say is that all across social media,
Speaker 3: the social media teams posted like hey, welcome to the
Speaker 3: Big Twelve, Houston, TCU, all introducing us to their traditions
Speaker 3: and where they're at. Like we didn't know where TCU, but.
Speaker 4: Those teams was already there. You can't welcome someone who's
Speaker 4: already here. So it was a welcome Asu, Arizona. It
Speaker 4: was a welcome from Utah, Colorado. Let me you was
Speaker 4: not we're bringing you to our community.
Speaker 2: Someone's Instagram.
Speaker 4: It says officially official Arizona a s u Utah and
Speaker 4: Colorado's in the Big twelve.
Speaker 2: You got to talk to you, who does your social media?
Speaker 4: Welcome to the Big twelve. That's what it says.
Speaker 2: So official.
Speaker 3: But what I found funny about Arizona released this video
Speaker 3: with this singer in the country band.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they showed that this morning. It was pretty good.
Speaker 3: There's a line in there where he says space is
Speaker 3: Wildcat Country, and right away, you see, I'm not sure
Speaker 3: about that, Houston, I'm not sure about that. So now
Speaker 3: there's this whole beef between serious beef being like between
Speaker 3: the schools, like who who's what's space?
Speaker 4: Whose country?
Speaker 3: Or like what whose territory is it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they showed that at the meeting this morning, and
Speaker 4: you liked it. Minute you said there was some words spoken,
Speaker 4: that was it, but there was only the only thing
Speaker 4: we had was music.
Speaker 3: Oh someone, there's a video out there of.
Speaker 4: Oh someone took the video, okay, because what we saw
Speaker 4: this morning was the video and there was music in
Speaker 4: the background. There was no words.
Speaker 3: There's a video out there of someone talking about like, hey, welcome,
Speaker 3: Arizona's in the bagbel Oh last thing I got before
Speaker 3: we run out of time. Tyler Loop named to the
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so we got to go. We're going to
Speaker 2: talk to the psychologist, maybe get you some help with her.
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Speaker 1: Breaking down all the exes and oh it's Steve Rivera
Speaker 1: and Jagen Salvins. This is I on the Ball on
Speaker 1: Fox Sports fourteen fifty.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to I have the ball here Fox
Speaker 2: Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve your Lamont we don't have
Speaker 2: her on right, okay, so go ahead kill that line
Speaker 2: and then just try her while we're while we're trying,
Speaker 2: we're talking, so we're gonna try to get a hold
Speaker 2: Jenny Kraska. She's the new psychologist at u.
Speaker 4: A Sports you used to help outter this session.
Speaker 2: You're gonna go to your wife and say, you know what,
Speaker 2: I love you, honey. I just I understand it now
Speaker 2: I appreciate you more. Oh the uh to dial out?
Speaker 2: Just just do what you normally do and take the
Speaker 2: the nine and the one or whatever you gotta do.
Speaker 2: Have old school. It's old school man, old school stuff.
Speaker 4: So we hope to get wondering.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, no, I would know that stuff, Lily Tomlan.
Speaker 2: That stuff was old stuff. It's about your time.
Speaker 4: What are you sixty three?
Speaker 2: Sixty two? Okay, so you're not too much older than me?
Speaker 4: Too much? Not too much? I look much younger.
Speaker 2: You don't good for Hello? Is this Jenny?
Speaker 12: Yes? This is Jenny.
Speaker 2: Fantastic, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4: We need you, miss Jenny.
Speaker 2: Yes, I have I have a lot of people. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: this time you're you have Lamont Hondley year. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you know who he is former UA football
Speaker 2: player here his brother.
Speaker 12: Yes we have met. Okay, yeah, okay, God bless you.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I'm sure, yeah, I'm using your I'm sure
Speaker 2: you're using Yourse called you with these two guys, and
Speaker 2: I always and I'm Steve Rivera. I love what you do.
Speaker 2: We talked to your predecessor a lot because I believe
Speaker 2: I don't know if you believe in psych To me,
Speaker 2: it's like the most important thing. And Jenny, if I
Speaker 2: asked you what percentage you would you give me? You
Speaker 2: have an athlete like Lamont, the importance of headstrong, athletic ability,
Speaker 2: all that stuff because you need that, you need you
Speaker 2: need the things between your ears to be stable.
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, entirely. I think it plays a massive role
Speaker 12: for all athletes, especially at the elite level. Right, Like,
Speaker 12: you have the skills, if you're playing college or you're
Speaker 12: playing professionally, you have the physical ability, but really what
Speaker 12: sets everyone apart is the mental side of the game.
Speaker 2: And you played forty years ago. Sorry to say that
Speaker 2: forty years ago and you're probably not even twenty five, Jenny,
Speaker 2: But how how do you think it's changed since the
Speaker 2: time Lamont played Today?
Speaker 12: It's changed a lot the landscape has changed, I believe
Speaker 12: in a positive way. Even when I was a former
Speaker 12: college athlete as well, So even from when I was playing,
Speaker 12: it's way more supported to talk about mental health and
Speaker 12: mental performance. It's more integrated, respected at these elite levels,
Speaker 12: and it's more accessible, which is great for athletes. I
Speaker 12: didn't have it. I doubt you had it either back then.
Speaker 12: So it's an excellent movement that we've had, and it's
Speaker 12: becoming more and more a priority.
Speaker 4: Well, I think it was. It was more taboo to
Speaker 4: talk that way, you mean, to put that out in front.
Speaker 4: And I was speaking to Steve earlier. I can recall
Speaker 4: when we had a gentleman with common and and have
Speaker 4: all of us just lie down on a on a
Speaker 4: football or the gymnasium floor and close eyes and think
Speaker 4: good thoughts and do all these different things and whatnot.
Speaker 4: I was like, why the heck am I doing this?
Speaker 4: You know? I mean, how is this going to help
Speaker 4: me tackle somebody?
Speaker 12: You know?
Speaker 4: And so it wasn't to me back in those days.
Speaker 4: It wasn't mainly, I mean, you don't do this, you know,
Speaker 4: But I do believe it's very important. It's very important
Speaker 4: to help your game and any any game you play.
Speaker 4: I think it's very important to push yourself mentally in
Speaker 4: that position so you can see the game happen before
Speaker 4: the game is played.
Speaker 12: Yep, exactly, It's just part of the preparation.
Speaker 2: Does each person like you, the people who come in
Speaker 2: have different philosophies or it's it's a standard philosophy and
Speaker 2: you're there to help the kids.
Speaker 12: Great question. Our team, we are a team of four
Speaker 12: sports psychologists and providers. We have some different training and
Speaker 12: different education, different areas of expertise, but overall, the philosophy
Speaker 12: is pretty consistent that we prioritize and see our athletes
Speaker 12: as humans and individuals first and take care of them
Speaker 12: and their mental health. And then we also see them
Speaker 12: as this added layer of a high performer, and how
Speaker 12: do we also take care of them within the context
Speaker 12: of being a high performer and an elite athlete.
Speaker 4: Let me question, what time period did this become really
Speaker 4: relevant in regards to having a person like yourself on
Speaker 4: staff or needing a person like yourself on safe I mean,
Speaker 4: what is it that happened that all of a sudden
Speaker 4: this had to be a muss.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's a good question.
Speaker 12: Yeah, great question. So the MLB, Major League Baseball, I
Speaker 12: think they were the first professional organization to really prioritize
Speaker 12: mental health and mental skills. They're the first org to
Speaker 12: have a sports psychologist or a mental skills clinician mandated
Speaker 12: to be on staff. So they were a big time movement.
Speaker 12: And then I think over the past ten years there's
Speaker 12: been a really big push from professional and collegiate athletes
Speaker 12: speaking out about their own mental health how it impacts
Speaker 12: their performance. So seeing that has certainly helped change the landscape.
Speaker 12: And then unfortunately, just due to the level of acuity
Speaker 12: and increase and concern for mental health that we're seeing
Speaker 12: in the college population, the NCAA has put out a
Speaker 12: mandate essentially to have a mental a designated mental health
Speaker 12: provider on staff for college students.
Speaker 2: Makes sense to me, especially in baseball. And you know
Speaker 2: this a month back in the day, and this should
Speaker 2: happen way before. Remember Steve, Steve, Steve no no second
Speaker 2: basement for the Dodgers. It was that Steve Gouty was
Speaker 2: second basement. He had the yips. Couldn't throw the ball
Speaker 2: the first base. Simple it's throwing the ball for the
Speaker 2: first base, and you're thinking he just couldn't do it
Speaker 2: because he's mentally something happened. And then golfers who can't
Speaker 2: hit the two foot buttons, right, So is that kind
Speaker 2: of that's obvious stuff, right, But there's more to it.
Speaker 2: There's more to it than that.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's very complex and individualized. And look at Simone Biles.
Speaker 12: I think she's a perfect example of this right now.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, twists.
Speaker 2: To overcome.
Speaker 4: Okay, you use the word mental health. Obviously that work
Speaker 4: can go pretty much anywhere. But then yet, now you
Speaker 4: do you find yourself as far as being in position
Speaker 4: you in that kids use that against the game In
Speaker 4: regards to I can say, use mental health as a
Speaker 4: reason not to do whereas mentally they they're they're really
Speaker 4: not mentally in a bad situation.
Speaker 12: Yeah, great question. I can speak on what we do
Speaker 12: here at University of Arizona. So we work with our
Speaker 12: student athletes and our coaches in a way that we
Speaker 12: never want to enable an athlete to use mental health
Speaker 12: as an excuse per se. I think that's a misconception.
Speaker 12: We encourage the student athletes to take initiative in taking
Speaker 12: care of themselves, right, and we support them in that,
Speaker 12: but we also hold them accountable, like what are you
Speaker 12: doing to better your mental health and better yourself? That's
Speaker 12: the key point for us. How are we working towards
Speaker 12: getting through this and improving? And we work together as
Speaker 12: a medical team, We work with coaches, we work with athletes.
Speaker 12: We take a very holistic approach to help hold the
Speaker 12: athlete accountable and move forward. But I do think it's
Speaker 12: a little bit of a misconception. I'm sure it happens
Speaker 12: that some people could potentially use it as an use,
Speaker 12: but overall that's how we work around it. At Arizona,
Speaker 12: Steve Sachs.
Speaker 2: Was the guy Steve Sacks.
Speaker 4: You googled it.
Speaker 13: The name.
Speaker 2: I did google your name. I don't. You didn't get much,
Speaker 2: so somebody else, How have you been doing this?
Speaker 12: Yeah, So I've been at University of Arizona for two years.
Speaker 12: Prior I was at Washington State and Arizona State unfortunately
Speaker 12: for two years. So I've been actively working for four
Speaker 12: years in the field, and then prior to that, got
Speaker 12: my doctorate over a five year span and worked with
Speaker 12: student athletes and specialized in this along the way. So
Speaker 12: a good, good chunk of time and I love it,
Speaker 12: super passionate about it being a former college athlete myself too,
Speaker 12: it's really meaningful work to me.
Speaker 2: So because you're a former athlete, we're at just what
Speaker 2: was the sport?
Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm a former college soccer player. I played a
Speaker 12: small school in southern California.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so good two questions. The thing that I've
Speaker 2: observed most, at least I've heard too, having been a
Speaker 2: sports where depression is a huge deal in college with
Speaker 2: all the pressures involved in school and life and all that.
Speaker 2: And one, now you worked pre nil and now they're
Speaker 2: making money, So what's the difference with that as well?
Speaker 2: So both depression that's one issue, and now the pre
Speaker 2: money and now the post money.
Speaker 12: Yeah, great, great question. Our athletes present with a lot
Speaker 12: of different things. Depression is certainly something that we work
Speaker 12: with frequently. Anxiety is also a big one, So managing
Speaker 12: the pressures related to performing in their sport, and that
Speaker 12: includes NIL.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 12: You know a lot of our athletes are also providing
Speaker 12: for their families and people back home, so there's family
Speaker 12: pressure even behind the scenes that's going on. So NIL
Speaker 12: and the ever changing landscape of what college athletic finances
Speaker 12: is going to look like. It's just an added layer
Speaker 12: of stress. There's great benefits that comes with it, but
Speaker 12: there's also a level of pressure and stress that comes
Speaker 12: along too. So it's certainly something that we talk about
Speaker 12: frequently with with our athletes.
Speaker 4: Question Jenny, Yeah, within the within the landscape, male female,
Speaker 4: do you find yourself, you know, dealing with male or
Speaker 4: female more or less? And why?
Speaker 12: Good question. At University of Arizona, we're highly utilized and
Speaker 12: because that is because we're highly embedded and respected and
Speaker 12: valued within the department. So I've met you actually because
Speaker 12: I'm the lead provider for our football team. So I'm
Speaker 12: out at practices, at games, I travel, I'm in the
Speaker 12: training room. I am very very supported by coaches and staff.
Speaker 12: I'm just another part of the team, part of the squad.
Speaker 12: I've sit next to coach on Lee on the plane.
Speaker 12: So because of that, I'm able to see more of
Speaker 12: our football guys what is historically an underserved population and
Speaker 12: there's a ton of stigma that exists for them. I'm
Speaker 12: able to build those relationships so they feel more comfortable
Speaker 12: seeing me. So fortunately, at University of Arizona, it's about
Speaker 12: a fifty to fifty split between female and male athletes
Speaker 12: that we.
Speaker 2: See so I'm sure in your studies these guys are
Speaker 2: are are superlative athletes, elite athletes, in fact, most many
Speaker 2: of them. Is it mirror what we see day to
Speaker 2: day in normal people's life, like me or other people.
Speaker 4: You're not athlete.
Speaker 12: So they're humans, right, Like, they're just like us. I
Speaker 12: come from, very like they're people first, and then they
Speaker 12: have these additional stressors, right, So these athletes have family, stress, relationships, stuff, academics,
Speaker 12: just regular clinical things like the general population has depression
Speaker 12: and anxiety, adjustment, trauma, all of that. And then there's
Speaker 12: the added layer of the pressures and the time demands
Speaker 12: and everything that comes with being a college athlete. So yes,
Speaker 12: they're humans just like us, very high achieving humans, and
Speaker 12: there's all these additional layers that make it even harder.
Speaker 2: So do you have a solution for a co host
Speaker 2: who doesn't listen? That solution for what for a co
Speaker 2: host who doesn't listen?
Speaker 4: And you called him human?
Speaker 2: Yeahs, but no, I don't.
Speaker 12: It's all about working with with people, right Like I'm
Speaker 12: in the field of being a human and also working
Speaker 12: collaboratively with coaches, athletes, everybody, just support.
Speaker 2: I want to hear a specific thing. But you've been
Speaker 2: here for four years, You've done this for a while now,
Speaker 2: great education, Anything surprise you that you've learned along the way.
Speaker 12: That's a good question. I think the deeper I get
Speaker 12: into working in athletics, I'm able to just see the
Speaker 12: depth the true death and the demands that these athletes face,
Speaker 12: and it just continues to kind of build every year. Honestly,
Speaker 12: it just seems to continue to increase over time. And
Speaker 12: the resiliency that these athletes have is something that I
Speaker 12: knew from the jump that it's there. Being an athlete,
Speaker 12: you know, you learn that resiliency. But with the added pressures,
Speaker 12: I think just seeing how resilient that these athletes are
Speaker 12: to manage all the things, the ever changing landscape, I
Speaker 12: think that has just been really pleasant and empowering surprise
Speaker 12: to see.
Speaker 2: It's like more money, more money, more problems exactly, you know, exactly, Jenny.
Speaker 4: I think your position is very important, you know, because
Speaker 4: because this, like you said, this day and time, I mean,
Speaker 4: all kids, I mean all kids got so many edit
Speaker 4: pressures that's coming on them, and you know, and and
Speaker 4: and a lot of these kids are like not just
Speaker 4: taking care of themselves. They've taken care of family members.
Speaker 4: That comes additional pressures, you know. So I think the
Speaker 4: road that you play, you know, is very important. It's
Speaker 4: just like being on the coaching staff and and one
Speaker 4: of the coaches that's over there.
Speaker 12: So I applaud you, thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: So what point did you decide you want to do this.
Speaker 12: I'm a little bit rare. I knew pretty early on.
Speaker 12: I think I was a freshman or sophomore in undergrad.
Speaker 12: I loved psychology, and then I did a little bit
Speaker 12: of research on what some options were to get into
Speaker 12: the field, and I sound sports psych and I was
Speaker 12: that was. It came over.
Speaker 2: Over time. Don't deal with coach Hunley. Deal with Brothernley
Speaker 2: and he'll really put you to work.
Speaker 4: You know. But there's more, honey, So it's trust and
Speaker 4: we can keep you employed.
Speaker 12: How you get I love then they're great people.
Speaker 2: Six brothers, six brothers. You'd make a ton of money.
Speaker 12: Oh wow, okay, so I got some more to beat.
Speaker 4: The only thing I know about you feel is Pablo Dog.
Speaker 4: I learned that in in psychology one on one.
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, that's.
Speaker 4: The only thing.
Speaker 2: Well, Jenny Dog, funny, fun to have you Jenny but
Speaker 2: probably use you a lot as we go through the year.
Speaker 12: Yeah, you have my number.
Speaker 2: Thanks a bunch you guys.
Speaker 12: I'm a good one.
Speaker 2: Take Jenny Presca, I agree with you at this time
Speaker 2: of year party even when you played it so it
Speaker 2: was not known, but it was still there, right, just
Speaker 2: didn't show up. Uh much needed.
Speaker 4: As much more than ever. I mean, like because more
Speaker 4: is given to these kids, right, and they have to
Speaker 4: be able to you know, be able to manage it
Speaker 4: and having someone like her to allow them to manage
Speaker 4: what's going on.
Speaker 2: They have four I'm surprised that they have the university.
Speaker 4: You know what. When she said because she's dealing with
Speaker 4: the guys more, she feels that that's more need for
Speaker 4: the well, she ain't say in those terms, but she
Speaker 4: finds that there's more guys that she's dealing with versus females.
Speaker 4: Well maybe because it's his numbers and then she deal
Speaker 4: with on a regular base. But I still, you know,
Speaker 4: I still would say that, you know, guys need it
Speaker 4: more than females. I think I think, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 4: I think a lot of the females they kind of
Speaker 4: balanced it.
Speaker 2: Let's let's go to the other side and come back
Speaker 2: and we'll talk about that. Maybe Kevin Lima will give
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Speaker 1: the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox
Speaker 1: Sports fourteen to fifteen.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to I in the Ball here on
Speaker 2: Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. In with me
Speaker 2: is Payn Neck, Lamont Leywan is with me for fifteen
Speaker 2: more minutes. Somebody Gody thinks, give me the hell out
Speaker 2: of here.
Speaker 4: We know people. Yeah, yeah, you can call it Jenny anytime.
Speaker 4: Jenny's here to help us.
Speaker 2: Yes, you're to call out the show. What can I
Speaker 2: get my personal appointment?
Speaker 4: Who need a beer? When you got Genny?
Speaker 2: The cost of cope that you get four beers that well,
Speaker 2: I don't know beers going up to James. James, you know,
Speaker 2: I love that stuff. I love that stuff. But you
Speaker 2: asked a couple of good questions, mister Unley.
Speaker 4: I can pull everyone every now and if you let
Speaker 4: me know who the guests, I do research.
Speaker 2: We don't do that, so.
Speaker 4: At least I could be you know, we have some
Speaker 4: understanding what's in.
Speaker 2: Front of you were good to today with with our
Speaker 2: guy Jake Fisher, you know.
Speaker 4: Is different, you know, and I've been in the locker
Speaker 4: room together. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we talked about this with women and men.
Speaker 2: I texted Kevin Leeman maybe to see if he could
Speaker 2: call us in and give us his observations in terms
Speaker 2: of men and women. And uh, that's a why do
Speaker 2: you say men would probably I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: You had you had a girl who played sports. I
Speaker 2: had a guy, a son who played in college sports,
Speaker 2: that I would think that there's a lot of No,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go here. I'm not gonna go here
Speaker 2: because it's issues issues on teams and issues on women's teams.
Speaker 4: But well, there's different issues on both sides. You're right
Speaker 4: as far as and some people think, you know, there's
Speaker 4: more female issues than risk right on. My My thinking
Speaker 4: is this, I think women are more balanced than men
Speaker 4: period and mentally in life balance.
Speaker 2: What do you mean by balance?
Speaker 4: As far as they know what they want, they know
Speaker 4: where they're going, and they can make it happen. We
Speaker 4: as young guys, we chasing those women first and foremost.
Speaker 2: Which is the problem.
Speaker 4: Yeah, at least I'll give you.
Speaker 2: I'll give you that.
Speaker 4: I'll give it into a big problem. Yeah, okay, So
Speaker 4: that's why I'm saying. I think I think young men
Speaker 4: need that help quicker and faster than the females would
Speaker 4: want to need it. Young men choose not to want
Speaker 4: that help or accept that help, so they.
Speaker 2: Think something.
Speaker 4: Get is what whatnot is keeping them want to go
Speaker 4: that direction. So I think most males you know, don't
Speaker 4: even consider, you know, trying to get some psychological help
Speaker 4: in regards to you know, if it's it's it's it's
Speaker 4: not mental health per se or whatever they might term
Speaker 4: it nowadays. But most guys seem that that's a bad thing.
Speaker 4: There's no way I can be that way. And if
Speaker 4: if I tell my friends, you know, they gonna think
Speaker 4: I'm a sissy. The female. They are open with themselves.
Speaker 4: If I got a problem, I'd have.
Speaker 2: To Well, you're speaking from a man's perspective.
Speaker 4: I'm thinking from a man's perspective that has daughters.
Speaker 2: You see, and you have more credibility there than me.
Speaker 2: But I would like to ask a female about that
Speaker 2: to see is this accurate? Is it not accurate?
Speaker 4: This is only no, no no.
Speaker 2: But I'll say this because you there's a line here.
Speaker 2: Maybe you've got somebody here likes solve this issue. Hello,
Speaker 2: you on the air, eye on the ball.
Speaker 13: Hey, Steve Lamont, this is uh, this is done done?
Speaker 2: How are you just done? He calls him.
Speaker 13: I'm all right. I wanted to talk to Lamont's point
Speaker 13: about the women and the and the stresses that they
Speaker 13: have to go through. They just had a situation a
Speaker 13: few years ago with the women's soccer team that it
Speaker 13: never came out when when the coach was here until
Speaker 13: after he got fired at Florida. Yeah, and then he
Speaker 13: had like he had he had his players on certain
Speaker 13: diets because he wanted them to look a certain way,
Speaker 13: and they had to lose weight, and there was girls
Speaker 13: that were quitting the team, and and and transferring out
Speaker 13: out and things like that, and that never came out
Speaker 13: when he was here.
Speaker 2: Well wait wait, you know this because it happened at Florida, right.
Speaker 4: But it didn't came out in regards did he come
Speaker 4: out here where they.
Speaker 13: Did not come out here? Well after after he was
Speaker 13: I mean I would I would have remembered hearing that
Speaker 13: those stories.
Speaker 2: So that's my point. Did you it never came out here?
Speaker 2: You're just assuming that happened here?
Speaker 13: No, because after after the Florida thing, there was some
Speaker 13: there was there was girls that had played at Arizona
Speaker 13: under him, and they said, yeah, we had we had
Speaker 13: to follow that same thing. And the stories didn't come
Speaker 13: out here until after he was the guy was fired
Speaker 13: at Florida for that stuff, right right, And so I
Speaker 13: think I think that all these kids and then here
Speaker 13: we go again, Steve. Now they're kids again, right right now,
Speaker 13: they're kids. They're not don't just because the nil but
Speaker 13: these young people, I mean, they're away from home, they're
Speaker 13: having to deal with all this stuff on their own.
Speaker 13: They don't have you know, they don't have that support,
Speaker 13: or maybe sometimes they don't think they don't have that support.
Speaker 4: And they have to listen to their coaches and maybe
Speaker 4: because that's that's the authority that's in front of them.
Speaker 4: And especially I mean, you know, in this well I
Speaker 4: can speak of it because my daughter was on that team.
Speaker 4: My daughter was actually uh her freshman year. She was
Speaker 4: on the team under Tony. Tony was her first coach
Speaker 4: and okay, and my daughter was there for one semester,
Speaker 4: one semester. And when I first introduced myself to Tony,
Speaker 4: I said, Tony, first and foremost, this is what you're
Speaker 4: gonna have. You're gonna have a father that does not
Speaker 4: intrude in your sport. But I'm gonna take and give
Speaker 4: you my daughter's hand, and you take care of my baby.
Speaker 4: That's all I ask, you, know you. And and I
Speaker 4: remember Tony calling me at the end of the season
Speaker 4: and letting me know that, well, I don't think your
Speaker 4: daughter is just this and this and good enough to
Speaker 4: play on this team. And there was some things that
Speaker 4: was spoken. Now that I know think about it, it
Speaker 4: is in the lines of what happened in Florida, not
Speaker 4: directly to my baby, but in a way he was
Speaker 4: trying to push my daughter off the team, My daughter
Speaker 4: and a few other young ladies off the team because
Speaker 4: he had some other kids that he wanted to bring
Speaker 4: in to fill in that scholarship spot. And so I said, well, Tony,
Speaker 4: first and foremost, I don't raise a baby. I hadn't
Speaker 4: raise a kid as a quitter. So I'm gonna have
Speaker 4: a talk to my baby and see what's going on.
Speaker 4: Because you're not talking to the average parent. You're talking
Speaker 4: about trying to know the system here. So I will
Speaker 4: respect you if you're telling me you need the money.
Speaker 4: And my daughter is one of these people that's going
Speaker 4: to be pushed out. And so my daughter and I
Speaker 4: think it was two or three other girls that was
Speaker 4: on that team knew that they wasn't wanted. So my
Speaker 4: daughter and these other young ladies, they say, we quit,
Speaker 4: and that's what he was doing. He was leading them
Speaker 4: up to quit. So they end up quitting. And and
Speaker 4: at that point of time, I mean, positive things did
Speaker 4: happen for my baby because she went to Pima and
Speaker 4: became college football it's a junior college All American, and
Speaker 4: got a full scholarship at Utah and finish her career there.
Speaker 4: But those things did take place and do take place,
Speaker 4: and you know, like you say, you're dealing with young
Speaker 4: girls or young kids in general, people in general, who
Speaker 4: has to deal with that? And you got a leader
Speaker 4: who's supposed to be the coach who's doing things like that.
Speaker 4: And the kids, some kids didn't have what have what
Speaker 4: my daughter had, You met my support and so now
Speaker 4: you got these kids with their back against the wall.
Speaker 4: And and that's where miss Jenny comes in place, right,
Speaker 4: you know, that's the beauty of having a person like
Speaker 4: her on that staff, so these kids can get their
Speaker 4: mentor right.
Speaker 2: So, so, Donnie, what was your point You're calling it
Speaker 2: the women's have more issues.
Speaker 13: Or I was just I was just saying it's it
Speaker 13: probably likely is, like the guest said, is pretty pretty
Speaker 13: down the middle. I do think that that girls are
Speaker 13: more strong willed earlier than boys. And I do think
Speaker 13: that if if they do have a support system with
Speaker 13: them and everything, I think that they have the better
Speaker 13: tools to thrive easier. I agree with I agree with
Speaker 13: Lamont on that one for sure.
Speaker 2: Stick on the lines, even though I want another call.
Speaker 2: But Lamont, Okay, So we've talked about this a few times.
Speaker 2: The kids are getting money, not a little money, They're
Speaker 2: getting a lot of money. Are they Are they fair game?
Speaker 2: Now to be criticized by people like the media. Me
Speaker 2: need the media.
Speaker 4: I got it all. No, no, they don't make a difference, man,
Speaker 4: just because these kids get what they get I mean professional,
Speaker 4: but they're still kids, they're still young kids, and they people,
Speaker 4: and they are performers. So you make that choice to
Speaker 4: go spend a dollar to watch him play. So why
Speaker 4: would you sit there and criticize somebody because you made
Speaker 4: that choice to spend the dollar. If you was good enough,
Speaker 4: you'll but be on the field playing too. So their kids,
Speaker 4: I mean when it comes to criticizing, I mean that's
Speaker 4: to me. I hate that. I can't. I mean I'm
Speaker 4: in the stands and I heard people talk about, oh
Speaker 4: I can do that. Why you do that? You do well?
Speaker 4: If you can do it, you'll be out there playing.
Speaker 4: You can't do it. They need that support, they need
Speaker 4: the cheering so it can turn over and become a
Speaker 4: win and all.
Speaker 2: The loss your thoughts and your thoughts too quick.
Speaker 13: I agree with that to the point of until they
Speaker 13: start playing games like the price socks deal. When he
Speaker 13: tweeted out his jersey, his Arizona jersey for sale and
Speaker 13: stuff right, and he knew he was going to transfer
Speaker 13: out when you if you do shady stuff, then your
Speaker 13: fair game. That's what I say. But I agree, I
Speaker 13: agree with you, Lama, And I'd like to add that
Speaker 13: if you're a kid playing D one sports, in my opinion,
Speaker 13: you're an lead athlete because not everybody can play at
Speaker 13: D one, absolutely and and and the same goes for
Speaker 13: D two because you know, just just think of how
Speaker 13: many high schools are there in the country and how
Speaker 13: many colleges are there for these kids to continue.
Speaker 4: But just because just because you're an lead athlete, that
Speaker 4: doesn't make you a target, a target for anybody. You know,
Speaker 4: in my opinion, that just doesn't make your time because
Speaker 4: you're on a stage and you're performing, and you're performing
Speaker 4: because you know, for the fans.
Speaker 2: I hear you, and I kind of I agree with you.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. They're making a ton
Speaker 2: of money. They're professionals kind of now without being professionals.
Speaker 4: So what they wasn't professional last week when they were
Speaker 4: not making the money? Did you yell?
Speaker 2: And I'm talking about more media, how they can say
Speaker 2: this guy didn't perform up to his capability.
Speaker 4: To his dollars dollars capability is still there. Okay, so
Speaker 4: up to the dollar amount he's getting paid.
Speaker 2: Correct, So then we're going.
Speaker 4: To measure a guy's snaps. They saw how much money
Speaker 4: he is probably probably Well.
Speaker 5: The thing is to those TeVeS is the media has
Speaker 5: always done that. Yes, yes, you know, because who's like
Speaker 5: they say, who's the most popular kid on the you know,
Speaker 5: who's the most popular player on the football team? Is
Speaker 5: the second second string quarterbacks?
Speaker 13: If the first stream guy isn't getting it done, let's
Speaker 13: get the other guy in. Yeah, yeah, well you know,
Speaker 13: so that's that has always happened. I just don't want
Speaker 13: I just don't want to see a student athlete, you know,
Speaker 13: acting up and thinking they're above things and then seeking
Speaker 13: that they're above any type of criticism that they get
Speaker 13: because like it or not, they're professionals. If they're making money,
Speaker 13: they're professionals.
Speaker 4: But I think the attitude is within the person if
Speaker 4: he has dollars on, so if that person gonna be
Speaker 4: an ugly person, he or she gonna be an ugly person, regardless.
Speaker 2: You're talking about the criticizer.
Speaker 4: No, no, no player becoming the player the player him or her. Okay,
Speaker 4: they may be, it's not based on.
Speaker 13: You look at the character of the guys that stuck
Speaker 13: it out to play with to stay wildcats, and to
Speaker 13: stay together for this next season, right you think of that?
Speaker 13: Those are high character guys.
Speaker 4: Ye, perfect example right there.
Speaker 13: Okay, they're going, Hey, I love my guys. I love
Speaker 13: playing with my guys.
Speaker 2: Okay done.
Speaker 13: You know, why are we gonna mess this up? Let's
Speaker 13: keep dancing.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Donny, thanks for the call.
Speaker 13: Thanks guys, good call.
Speaker 2: Good call. Kevin's probably not gonna call, but fifty to
Speaker 2: fifty I'll give you that because it's the kind of
Speaker 2: the smart answer women to men issues. And you have women,
Speaker 2: so so you did you know soccer was kind of
Speaker 2: the way they were. They were good under Tony. He
Speaker 2: didn't get that job because they were bad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well obviously, mean, you know, he did do some
Speaker 4: good things here in regards to points and loss and
Speaker 4: and and and that's where Florida came to get it.
Speaker 4: And then obviously Florida knew what they got eventually. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, I didn't know how deep it was, honestly,
Speaker 4: of off that end of it as far as you know,
Speaker 4: because that wasn't directed to my kid, you know, at
Speaker 4: least my daughter never said that, but I knew some things.
Speaker 4: Some things was going on as far as the character
Speaker 4: him as a coach, especially the conversation him and I had.
Speaker 2: With my daughter after the season after that.
Speaker 4: First did she.
Speaker 2: Played much her first year?
Speaker 4: She didn't play much first and and and his big
Speaker 4: thing was that he don't think she's big enough, strong enough.
Speaker 4: She has I mean, she's one of the smartest kids
Speaker 4: on the team. And so and my my comeback is this,
Speaker 4: it's your job to coach. Mark your job to get
Speaker 4: a stronger you know, in the weight room, that's your job.
Speaker 4: Coach up, coach, coaches.
Speaker 2: Better, coaches better. Another point of us, you got to
Speaker 2: I got to friend for you on a good note. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not. I'm leaving right there right. Thank
Speaker 2: you for joining me today.
Speaker 4: We're not done.
Speaker 2: I always love having you in. You know that. You
Speaker 2: know I love you. You know.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you for good stuff. Good Thanks for
Speaker 2: the calls and and and the conversations for the people.
Speaker 2: Jenny was great, so is Jake. Uh talk to you
Speaker 2: guys later. Thank you