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Speaker 1: All right off of a weekend in which Jaron Ennis

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did what we thought and he did it very quickly

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with a blowout first round knockout win as a junior middleweight.

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We're ready to recap that from Philadelphia. We're ready to

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recap and entertaining. It was entertaining Matmudov versus David Allen

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heavyweight battle that could be David Allen's final fight again

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as a fan favorite England. We're gonna recap those fights.

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We got lots of fight news. I'm bummed we're not

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gonna get Fundorra Thurman. At least for now, we're gonna

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talk about all of that.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in.

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Speaker 1: It is the Fight Freaking Night Recap podcast. I am

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merely the somewhat capable host TJ.

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Speaker 2: Reeves.

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Speaker 1: Hello to our insider, Big Dan Rayfield. Fight Freaking Night

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Full disclosure, we're doing this Sunday night after my Buccaneers

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have won again. You're actually in a decent mood because

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the Giants clopper the Eagles.

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Speaker 2: The Buccaneers have won.

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Speaker 1: Buccaneers look like one of the best team right now

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in football with the way they're rolling after a five

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and one start. So I'm in a particularly good mood.

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How are you feeling as we're ready to recap some

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fights off the weekend.

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Speaker 3: I'm good because it was Sunday and the Giants couldn't

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lose because they played on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you something?

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Speaker 1: Thursday night is the reason why you don't bet on football,

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because after your team blew a game into the New

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Orleans Saints, who would have thought they were going to

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beat the Super Bowl champs, much less take the crap

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out of it.

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Speaker 3: What we're seeing, though, is the learning curve of the

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young quarterback Jackson is That's the thing. It's a learning curve.

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That's what happens in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And come for the boxing, stay for the quarterback takes

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of Dan Rayfield here.

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Speaker 3: Don't you think that's like, Yes, the guy's barely had

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any snaps in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: He's see learning.

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Speaker 1: Tell you what you're seeing out of Baker Mayfield of

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the b U C C A N E E R

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S Go Bucks.

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Speaker 2: He looks like the MVP right now. It's exciting stuff.

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But nonetheless, the peeps are here to hear us talk boxing.

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Speaker 1: Uh so let's get into but after all, make sure

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that you find us, make sure you subscribe. We've been

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very dedicated about being here, even with lean times, with

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the fight cards, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: We do our best. Upfront.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna save the Joseph Parker interview for his upcoming

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interim WBO heavyweight title defense that's in a couple of weekends.

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We're gonna save that interview stand by because we've got

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plenty of news to go over, including the collapse of

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the Sebastian Fundora Keith Thurman pay per view card that

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was due to be here in a couple of weeks

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as well. All right, let's start with Jaron Ennis. No

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one's gonna remember this opponent, but he did what he

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was supposed to do. It was impressive, it was quick,

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it was overfast in the matchroom, disown min event in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of ways that we can look

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at this. The first thing is exactly what you said,

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when you're matched with a nobody, do what you're supposed

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to do to a nobody, and that's annihilate him and

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leave no doubt and just destroy him. Because if you

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go in this type of fight and meres three, four, five, eight,

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twelve rounds. You may win the fight, but you're gonna

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suffer some criticism because they're like, what's he doing letting

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this guy hang around for twelve rounds? Are however long

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the fight win. So boots Ends did what he was

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supposed to do, nothing more, nothing less. He destroyed the

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man in about two minutes. And I said from the

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get go, and I certainly wasn't the only one, this

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was a disgraceful fight. This was a total mismatch. This

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was a piece of shit I took in coming from

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Eddie Hearn, which is fine. I'm a big boy. You

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know who criticized me for having that take. I was

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proven right. The guy showed absolutely nothing. He had no

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into the fight unless you are a big proponent of

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the IBO title, which I am not. So there's that.

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I have nothing against him as a person. He came

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in good shape. I'm sure he tried. He spoke well

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during the build up in terms of what he wanted

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to accomplish, and then the bell rang, and you know,

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there's as the as the kids say, DJ, there's levels

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to this, Yes, And this was Boots Ennis, who is

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clearly a hum massively talented fighter in with a guy

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that if you consider Boots to be like an A

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level talent, this guy is like a Sea level ish

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type talent. It's just not in the same league, both

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in terms of the size. Not the size. The size

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that was the one thing he might have had going

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for him, but the speed, the power, the technique, the defense,

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the experience in the professional ranks. And so he went

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in there and he blew the guy away. He wins

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the the unnecessary in annoying WBA Interim Junior Middleweight title.

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his his debut in the one hundred and fifty four

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pound weight class. He had unified two of the titles

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at walter weight, had been struggling to make that weight

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for a while, and it was a you know something.

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and wait at some point, and this was that. Now

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is a way class that is for my money right now.

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of the best talent and in depth of any of

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the divisions in the whole sport. So he got to win.

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He looked good doing it, but he still doesn't proven

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anything in my rage. But if we get nice things

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in boxing, which we often don't, but it looks like

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we may if Virgil Ortiz Junior takes care of his

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business and he's in a much tougher fight than Boots

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Ennis was. He has titango with Eric Slubin in November.

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like they're serious and they're going to make ns against

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Arties for the first quarter of twenty twenty six. Eddie

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Hern has said a thousand times that when he signed

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Boots Ennis to his contract extension for their promotional deal,

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there was an agreement in place between him and Boots

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to do that fight. So they're on apparently on board

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for the terms. They still have to tidy up with

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Golden Boy. I'm sure Golden Boy has to tidy up

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with Virgual Artis. Eddie says, the Zone is on board.

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but let Virgil get through the fight in November against

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Lubin and then we'll sit down. And I can understand

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that you don't want to be making fights while you're dealing.

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Speaker 1: With of course, but you fight the guy in front

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of you and be worried about that. But let's not

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revise history here.

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Speaker 2: Let's be clear.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, you take care of yourself greatly

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on social media, swatting people, going back and forth. And

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I was entertained watching your stuff Saturday night and Sunday

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because that was bred man Edwards. You were going at

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it with too, as well as Eddie heard.

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Speaker 3: Let's be clear, I was not going at it. Bread

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mean and I are friendly, we understand, but.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm talking about in a good way. You're

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going back and forth with difference of opinions.

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Speaker 3: But are some guys I'll rip the.

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Speaker 1: You know, and you don't do that to me there

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at least most of the time.

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Speaker 2: You should be good to bet.

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Speaker 1: But let me say this, all right, the Ortiz fight

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could have happened a year ago, yes, and the let's

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don't revise history. The reason is is because boots and

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be one hundred and fifty four pound fight. So let's

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don't revise history that that fight could have already happened.

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about it on this podcast. So this knockout on Saturday

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night doesn't change the facts, the facts, the facts.

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Speaker 2: That it couldn't happen.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't change what happened then, but it does change

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now they can move forward maybe at the end of

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the day. Boots ns and I'm not taking sides, I'm

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stating facts. Yes, they had a deal in place, whether

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it was him or his people, or his promoter or

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the network or whoever. The weight was changed in the draft.

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That Golden Boy was given from a one hundred and

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fifty four pound fight to one hundred and forty seven

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pound fight, which was obviously ridiculous. You know, burgel Artis

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ended up in the hospital because he tried to make

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one forty seven. He had a serious situation there, and

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he had taken a couple of fights already went fifty four.

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He was not going back to that's amen.

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Speaker 1: Anybody that knew anything about that situation that was never

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gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: Non starter exactly.

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Speaker 3: So Anyway, the bottom line is NI is still in

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his heart wanted to at least have a unification. He

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had that. He looked great against Daniotis kN tak away

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from him. He unified the belts. Virgil went on and

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had other fights and uh, you know, had some exciting

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you know, he had you know, fought some good fighters

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Boatchuk and obviously he had the uh who's the other

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guy he fought, oh magrum Off. You know, he had

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some he had some good fights, and so now there's

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no more excuses. Boots has got his tune up, so

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to speak, in the fifty four pounds weight class. Yep,

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Virgil is not taking a tune up.

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Speaker 2: Ericson.

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Speaker 3: Lubin is a formidable, legitimate top contender, and that's a

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much more difficult fight, at least on paper. Uh you know,

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this is no guarantee that Virgil wins that fight. So

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that that's you know, first and foremost. And I do

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like what Boots was saying. He goes, look, if Virgil

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doesn't win that fight, you know, I'll fight Lubin. And

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then he started also naming all the other champions and

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then you know he's talking about uh, you know, talking

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about Xander's eyes. He's talking about about uh Baker Martazaleev.

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other guys, they all can get it. Who's the other

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champion in the weight class? There was find Fondora was

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the other guy he mentioned, So he mentioned Beru, who

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now because he won the interim belt and Baru was

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became the only title holder when Terrence Crawford went to

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one sixty eight and left behind the fifty four pound

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weight class. So that will hopefully be if he wins Virgil,

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that would be a big fight for us to look

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forward to in the first part of next year. It's

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a tremendous battle. I may not agree with Eddie Hern

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on everything, but I do agree with him when he

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talks about how it's an outstanding fight for American boxing.

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You know two guys who are prime fighters right now

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in their twenties, both with a lot of skills, both

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a lot of power, both with growing fan bases. You know,

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one fighter from Texas, one fighter from the Northeast, different regions.

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One's a black fighter, one's an American Hispanic fighter. I mean,

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you got a lot of fan bases that you can

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service with that kind of matchup. You got companies that

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are certainly capable of putting on a quality undercard. You

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put Golden Boy in Mattroom and osc He and Eddie

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promoting together, obviously they can get the word out. I

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mean it really does have all the hallmarks for a

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true fight fans kind of fight.

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Speaker 2: So hopefully and we have good things.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned and again you've qualified it or Teez has

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got to get through this fight with Lubin coming up

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in November, and then we'll see.

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Speaker 3: One thing about about Ennis. Very fast, good with the punches,

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put those shots together and knock and lean out scored

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the two knockdowns like he didn't like Lima did even

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look like you knew what hit him.

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the fight Inns, and then he was all over him.

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Two knockdowns and you know he's blasting them away to

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to to Lima's credit, he did get up twice on

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harsh knockdowns and then at some point you know later on,

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you know a few seconds later when he was quartered

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and Boots is real and off literally like about a

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dozen unanswered punches. Obviously, the referee, who did a good job,

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Sean Clark, had no choice but to jump in there

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and then waved this bad boy off, and it was

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what it was. But I will take issue with anybody

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who says, like, you know, and I was kind of,

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you know, jib in a little bit with my man

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Sergio Mora on on Twitter about it. Don't tell me

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that he's a great fighter, or that's a generational performance

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or blah blah blah or whatever whatever he had to say.

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but he still hasn't done anything.

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Speaker 1: Show us something like that against Virgil Ortiz. Of course,

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even we start having that, you beat if you beat.

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Speaker 3: Guys like Virgil Ortiz, you beat guys like any of

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those other champions, You beat guys Alive mag or mav Boa,

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show any of these guys, you know whoever. You beat

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fighters like that, and you do it on a consistent basis,

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and you string together two or three wins in a

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role like that, Yep, you're gonna get the credit. But

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right now, it's just sized. We're tantalized.

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Speaker 1: Down, settle down, and let's see what happens. All right,

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heavyweight action on the cod feature. And you did explain

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in the preview pod this got moved up because of

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an injury in the other fight that was gonna be

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the co feature. And look, we had fireworks from the

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heavy weights, including Guido Vianello, the former Italian Olympian, and

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he scored a big knockout.

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Speaker 2: Give me a little more on that.

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Speaker 3: This was a very fun fight, I know, like you mentioned,

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it was elevated from a little bit further down the

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cart into the co feature position because of the light

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heavyweight Khalil Co with drawing with an injury, so his

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fight with the Philadelphia fighter Jesse Hart was canceled off

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the cart. But when they made this match between Viennello

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and Burri, I sort of like was like, this will

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be a fun fight. You know, I've seen Burreri fight

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a couple of times, big guy, strong guy, not too

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much professional experience, had about the same number of fights

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as Guido did, but Guidos fought much better opposition in

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my mind, so this was sort of like you look

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at Vannello's record he's fourteen to three and one, not

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the greatest record in the world. He has one knockout loss.

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But if you know that what happened that knockout loss,

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that was a due to a cut and a kind

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of a freakish situation. That was a couple of years ago.

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Twenty twenty three, had very very close split decision to

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a jog But he certainly could have won that fight,

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really really close fight. Had the victor. We're gonna talk

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about Arslan Beck Mackmanduv in the next fight, but he's

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got a knockout victory against him that followed up that

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Ajagua loss. He's got a decision loss to Richard Torres

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that he was coming off of. So he has been

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kind of up and down. But he had that background,

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and you know, he was not stepping up in top

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of a level competition, and they put on a really

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fun fight, exciting fight, and in the end, Guido just

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had the He really I feel like he wanted it

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more like I think Brari thought like I'm the favorite,

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I'm supposed to win, and I don't know, I'm not

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just my like sort of my read it. I can't

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say for sure, but it felt like he wasn't taking it.

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Speaker 1: As Vanello showed punching power. He dropped him and he

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finished him.

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Speaker 3: He knew that this was a do or die kind

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of fight. You can't go losing three out of four

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in the heavyweight division and expect to still be in

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a in a solid position on the card and maybe

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an A side and make the real money. And he

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did a tremendous job. So he took the shot, and

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he delivered some heavy, heavy duty leather and he knocked

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the guys as the Brits say, spark out in the

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fifth round, and he dropped him and he didn't get up,

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and that's all shrot He had him. I think, if

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I'm not mistaken TJ, I think had him down twice

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in the fights. I mean that was probably I mean

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not to be too dramatic, but I guess that win

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and maybe the Makmadu have win. Those were like his

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best performances he has had so far as a professional.

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And you know what, I'll tell you one thing, you

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could probably put Wiedo Vnello in with pretty much just

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met anybody in the top ten. He may not win

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those fights. He may win here and win there. He's

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gonna probably always be in a fun fight though, because

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he's not afraid to step in there and throw shots.

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He's taken shots, and he's in great condition. When he

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comes into these fights, he takes it seriously. So to me,

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there is room in boxing for just good contender types.

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Not everybody's gonna be the heavyweight champion or a champion

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in their weight class, but you need fighters like Guido

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Vannello to make the visions fun, to give the fans entertainment.

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He can make a living, he can make still good money.

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You know, he won that fight. If he loses another fight,

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it's not like his career is over. And you know,

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on the on the right night, maybe he does pick

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up a big time win against you know, somebody even

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a level better than Alexis Berrari. But that that was

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a very entertaining fight, certainly the best fight on otherwise,

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you know, not not the biggest name card. And of

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course we talked about the main event. That was a

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complete one sided ass kicking that we all, or at

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least I did figure that it was going to be.

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So that was the fight of the night in my estimation,

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and it was worth it because heavyweights always delivered the

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goods when they have that kind of battle.

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Speaker 1: All right, So speaking of heavyweights delivering the goods, good

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segue so earlier in the afternoon US time, and it

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was Saturday night primetime in Sheffield, England. The return of

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David Allen, a fighter that's retired a couple of times.

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He was off for more than two years.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he ever actually retired.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean I thought, yeah, he made an

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announcement about his retirement, were writing about it on the website.

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But he's back and as as we thought, this was

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quite an atmosphere. There was a partisan crowd for him.

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I'll say it this way. He acquitted himself well on

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taking punches, giving punches.

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Speaker 2: I just don't know how much he had left.

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Speaker 1: And as you mentioned, Machmdov ends up winning the decision,

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a fight that I know you were saying in advance.

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Speaker 2: This could be over quickly.

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Speaker 1: They both showed chin, they both showed heart, and it

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went the distance and there was a lot of toe

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to toe action, especially in the back half of the fight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this was two like CS level guys who were

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I guess somewhat evenly matched going in there trying to

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you know, save their careers in terms of being in

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this level of a fight, and mach Madouv, who was

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to me, he's the better skilled fighter and the better puncher,

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but he's so vulnerable because his chin is so terrible

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that you just never know what's gonna happen. This was

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only the second time he's ever heard the final bell

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in his career, because all of his wins before were

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by knockout but one, and his two losses were by

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very harsh knockout. He was going into the Lions then,

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as they say, he's a Russian fighter that's based out

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of Montreal. He was fighting in England where Dave Allen

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had you know, is a beloved figure, and it was

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like a love fest fall a whole week. He had

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the whole crowd on his side. They did like nine

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ten thousand people in that arena for a fight of

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that level, which is not you know, at the championship level,

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is a pretty amazing feet when you think about it. He's,

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like I said a popular guy that the way that

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Makmandu won this fight is he he did have a

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lot of you know times where he was out punching him,

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but he basically won it because he was out boxing,

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which is amazing because Makandu has always been kind of

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a one punch I mean, like a one trick pony,

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and that's the big punch. So he kind of banked

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a lot of those rounds in that first half of

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the fight where he was way up on the cards.

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And so when Alan finally came back to some degree

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later in the fight, like I believe it was in

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the ninth round, at the end of the round ninth, yep,

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he had Mackmanduke out on his feet at the end

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that there's maybe ten to fifteen seconds left in the round.

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Maybe he gets him out of there. But every time

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Dave Land did a good shot and you see Mackmanduv rock,

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he's got such a it's so like he in boxing.

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One of the things you do as fighter. And I'm

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not that I'm a fighter, but I've heard fighters talk

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about this. Sometimes he got a bullshit your way through around.

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You can't show that you're hurt when you're hurt. The

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thing about mahkma Do is every time he gets hit,

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it's all over his face, like you know, he's messed up,

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and the judges that and that has an impact on scoring,

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not that it's mattered because he's knocked most of his

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guys out, but every time Dave Allen hit him, he

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rocked him. And Dave Allen would take shots and never budge.

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And after the fight was over, Dave was talking about

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like he hurt me six seven times and he's the

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best puncher I've ever faced, et cetera. And macmado, if

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you could tell, was kind of I won't say scared,

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that's not fair, but you know, worry about getting hit

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because he did so much holding that that Ultimately Steve Gray,

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who was the referee, the duck did two points from me.

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He took one in the sixth round for excessive holding,

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and then he took one in the twelfth round for

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excessive holding. And even with the points off, he still

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was the clear winner one seventeen to one oh nine,

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one fifteen to one eleven, and one sixteen to one ten.

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But Dave Allen it was maybe a whisker away from

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scoring a knockdown or maybe a knockout in that ninth round.

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Close the close the fight really well. They battled. The

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toe to toe was a very entertaining heavyweight fight. I

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suspect that even with that loss. The populatory that Dave

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Allen has, the lovable loser, unfortunately is the tag you'll have.

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But he's gonna be able to still have a career

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if he wants to put the work in, if he

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if he if he's if he's interested to continue, I'm

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sure Mattrium or whoever would be willing to work with

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him and put him on other shows, maybe even in

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a main event, in the right kind of circumstance, and

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he can make a living and and uh, and still

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do something in Macmandou. Look, it's the best win of

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his career. Uh, I don't know. You know where he's

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going if you believe him, And this is important. And

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he was calling out Anthony Joshua after the fight. He

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showed what he claims as a screenshot of a direct

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message on social media that was between him and Anthony

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Joshua where Joshua was saying, if you win against Allan,

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you know, I'll fight you next. And so he calls

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out after the fight, and so I think, I guess

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that's a distinct possibility, because look, Joshua, you know, if

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they if they can, I still don't believe they're gonna

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make the fury fight, and immediately I think Joshua was

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gonna want to come back off of the elbow surgery

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and the knockout loss and try to bank some kind

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of win. They talked about maybe a fight in Africa

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even in December and to be kind of short notice,

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but perhaps at the very beginning of next year, and

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he's gonna fight somebody. They brought mac Madouf to the UK,

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so he has some profile to a degree in England,

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where Joshua is from. So if Joshua fought fighter like

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him and then and and would, and even Joshua in

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a diminished state, I still think athletically and speed wise

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and power wise probably gets rid of Mackmanduf and at

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that point later and next year, you know, late in

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the first half of next year, hopefully they do make

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that Tyson Fury fight. But Mackmandou by winning in a

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good fight, probably scared.

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Speaker 1: Himself, only helped himself and in his dollars exactly on

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a higher profile fight.

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Speaker 3: Just just clarify the one thing on this fight. This

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is not elite heavyweights. What they are is hard working

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guys that could put on a good show that entertain

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the fans. And and again similar to what I said

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about Guido Vanello in boxing heavyweights or otherwise. You need

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these types of fighters and fights to you know, they're

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the middle class. If you will not everybody's in an

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all start fight or a superstar fight or a huge

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money fighter, a championship fight. But but you make entertaining

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matchups with competent guys who are you know, who are

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who are good professionals to put in the work, you're

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gonna get good fights like we got with Guido Vnelli

475
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,839
in Brari, like we got with Makadu and Dave Allen.

476
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 1: All Right, good stuff, Let's move to some news while

477
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,519
we have a few minutes. Listen, I leave you in charge,

478
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,400
and you know, we're going about our business. And the

479
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,400
next thing is suddenly the virtual press conference that Premier

480
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,920
Boxing champions had set up for Sebastian Fundora and Keith

481
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,279
Thurman to have happened on Thursday didn't happen. I immediately

482
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,200
said to you, something, something's up here. You said back

483
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,039
to me, well, listen, press conferences get canceled all the time. Well,

484
00:21:55,039 --> 00:21:58,720
it turns out this was something, and it's Sebastian Fundora

485
00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:01,039
with a hand injury. You did some digging. You did

486
00:22:01,039 --> 00:22:04,599
some reporting, and not only is the main event off,

487
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,720
but the entire pay per view card for a couple

488
00:22:06,759 --> 00:22:09,240
of weeks from now in Las Vegas is now off.

489
00:22:10,079 --> 00:22:12,119
That surprises me a little bit. We'll circle back to that,

490
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,519
but start with Fondora the injury, and now we're kind

491
00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:19,160
of in an unknown as to when he can fight again.

492
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,359
And if I'm just gonna say, if if the that

493
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,519
the Thermon Fight's gonna still be there, go ahead and

494
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:25,960
tell me what you've learned on the weekend.

495
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 3: Okay. So this was scheduled to be the main event

496
00:22:28,279 --> 00:22:30,920
on the PBC on Prime Video pay per view October

497
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,559
twenty fifth at the MGM in Las Vegas, and as

498
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,359
PBC announced, and I had actually broken it a little

499
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,160
before they announced it, actually because I had been told

500
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,759
about it earlier in the day. But they the way

501
00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:44,599
that they described it in their announcement was that Fondora

502
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,839
had suffered a hand contusion in sparring, which was a

503
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,240
I guess a very bad bruise inspiring, not a fracture.

504
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,319
That was made clear to me when I spoke later

505
00:22:53,599 --> 00:22:57,359
to his promoter, Samson Lukwitz, but that the doctor that

506
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,440
they saw said look, you gotta lay off for three weeks,

507
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,440
no punching with the hand, and obviously if the fight's

508
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,839
are two weeks away, you know that's a problem. So

509
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,880
the way Samson's played looked the fighter. Like a lot

510
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,400
of fighters, he wanted to go through with it. He

511
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,880
wanted to see if he could do it. But between

512
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,319
the doctor and his father, Freddie, who's also his trainer,

513
00:23:15,319 --> 00:23:17,440
they're like, no, we're gonna sit out. We're gonna we're

514
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,039
gonna make sure we're healthy, and so they called off

515
00:23:20,079 --> 00:23:22,559
the fight. Now they are planning to reschedule the fight.

516
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,400
I talk to people at PBC and Samson. Everybody is

517
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,440
trying to reschedule this fight by you know, so it

518
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,039
won't happen in October. They're looking for a date in January.

519
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,440
So good chance that they rescheduled this fight for January. Meanwhile,

520
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,119
you have him, he'll try to heal up. I kind

521
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,000
of felt really terrible because Keith Thurman is like mister

522
00:23:42,039 --> 00:23:44,759
hard luck in all senses here, because he's a guy

523
00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:47,720
that had his entire career upside down because of his

524
00:23:47,799 --> 00:23:51,880
own injuries that forced various postponements and cancellations, and finally

525
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,240
apparently he's healthy and ready to go, and this time

526
00:23:54,279 --> 00:23:57,160
it's his opponent that suffers the injury that causes this

527
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,759
fight to be delayed, so he has to lay off

528
00:23:59,759 --> 00:24:05,680
even longer. Unfortunately Keith sapro and so look, if they rescheduled,

529
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,839
great and hopefully they'll find their date. They didn't say

530
00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:10,559
where will be rescheduled. But the rest of the card

531
00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:14,440
you have the co feature, a very solid fight between

532
00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:17,720
Stephen Fulton moving up from he's one of the Featherway

533
00:24:17,759 --> 00:24:19,920
title holders, moving up to du or lightweight to challenge

534
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,799
the WBC title er Oshaki Fosser, a fight that was

535
00:24:22,839 --> 00:24:28,000
a pretty interesting fight. That fight has not been It's

536
00:24:28,039 --> 00:24:30,480
not necessarily going to be canceled, but it's not necessarily

537
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,599
going to be rescheduled because they got to figure out

538
00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:34,839
when it's going to be. Remember, this fight was agreed

539
00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:37,519
to back in April, back when they were still trying

540
00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:39,880
to do Tank Davis and Lamont Roach rematch. It was

541
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,839
supposed to be the co feature. That fight was going

542
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,839
to be on a various bunch of dates. They kept

543
00:24:43,839 --> 00:24:47,440
getting delayed, delayed, delayed, and then finally Tank pulled out

544
00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:50,720
and went sideways and decided to go fight the exhibition

545
00:24:50,759 --> 00:24:53,680
with Jake Paul, So that fight was sort of kind

546
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,839
of lingering out their top rank and PBC, like I said,

547
00:24:55,839 --> 00:24:58,680
had made that deal in the spring of you in

548
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,599
April of this year, and so it was on this card.

549
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,359
And so now, given the fact that I already been

550
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,960
postponed several times, the contract that I am told this

551
00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:10,839
by Top Rank is they haven't opt out. They don't

552
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,079
have to. Most contracts have a provision to reschedule a

553
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,240
fight within whatever it could be, thirty days, sixty days,

554
00:25:17,319 --> 00:25:20,079
ninety days, whatever it is. But the way I understand

555
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,240
is that with the fight not happening on October twenty fifth,

556
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,200
they can opt out immediately. They don't have to wait

557
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,240
for any kind of rescheduling. That's not to say that

558
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,400
they will, but they need to sit down and talk

559
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,920
to their fighter, Oshaki Fossar, to see what he wants

560
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,480
to do. So maybe they'll reschedule it, and then again

561
00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:37,160
maybe they won't. It's a real bummer because, like I said,

562
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,200
interesting fight. It's too bad. I have an interview that

563
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,279
I had just conducted like a couple of days before

564
00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:43,319
that with Stephen Fulton that we were going to play

565
00:25:43,319 --> 00:25:45,759
on the podcast, maybe we can salvage a little bit

566
00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:47,920
of it, or or maybe we won't, but whatever, we'll

567
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,279
see what happens with that. And so now you go

568
00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:51,039
to the rest of the car.

569
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: So could I just ask real quick, Yeah, why couldn't

570
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,880
they proceed and just make this a PBC on Prime

571
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,720
Card and not a pay per view without the main

572
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,920
event and then figure out a way to use whatever

573
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,559
money in the bank to pay the fighters that are

574
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,920
lesser than Fondra and Thurman's asking price. Probably, why couldn't

575
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,519
they just go ahead, keep the data and have the

576
00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:12,920
other guy's fight and not make it a pay per view.

577
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: Again, that seems too logical, makes too much.

578
00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 3: Sense because Prime is apparently not interested to do that

579
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,519
at this point. It's not the kind of thing they

580
00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:26,079
can probably budgetarily change at the last minute. I mean,

581
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,079
I'm theorizing you have to plan these things out now.

582
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,079
They're not paying money for a lot of these shows,

583
00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:34,720
or maybe they're doing production or they're paying a little bit,

584
00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:37,839
but mainly it's it's being done. They're the distributor. They're

585
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,039
not really that's right. They don't have skin in the game.

586
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,119
Like when HBO and Showtime were doing fights. They were

587
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,000
paying big money, or when ESPN was paying top rank,

588
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,839
or when for example, Fox was paying PBC. Different kind

589
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,119
of model. So in a perfect world, you're right, they

590
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,119
would have just like, okay, no main event and we'll

591
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,839
just you know, put some of these fights on and

592
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,240
just do it like a non pay per view. That

593
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,680
would have been great, but it's not realistic. I don't

594
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,400
think they could have it was you couldn't really keep

595
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,400
the MGM grand for that. I mean, look, Fondora Thurman

596
00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:06,400
is a heart sell at in eighteen thousand Seed Arena

597
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,480
in Miami in the first place. Now you take that

598
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,400
fight off the show and you're left with.

599
00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 2: Fulton probably it's only two weeks away. That's a copy.

600
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 3: They're really good fighters, but they're not selling tickets to

601
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,039
that big arena. I mean, I'm sorry, that's just not

602
00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:19,799
the way it works.

603
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: You know.

604
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,799
Speaker 3: You could put that in like a three thousand seater

605
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,759
and they might not sell it out. So that's the

606
00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:27,359
reason for that. But so we'll see what happens. Fondora

607
00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:31,240
and Thurman will get rescheduled. I guess in January. The

608
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:32,960
jury is out on what's going to go down in

609
00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:37,119
terms of if and when they reschedule Foster against Fulton,

610
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,839
the other fights which were on the pay per view,

611
00:27:39,839 --> 00:27:42,279
which and and the and even the preliminary fights that

612
00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:45,640
they announced. You're talking about Jesus Ramos against Shane Mosley

613
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,359
Junior that was for the WBC's interim middleway title. YadA

614
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,039
Isaac Lucero, a good up and coming junior middleweight taken

615
00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:56,559
on Roberto Valenzuela Junior. I was told that more again

616
00:27:56,599 --> 00:27:59,960
not done one hundred percent, but most likely they're gonna

617
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:02,319
swap those because they hadn't done this yet. They're working

618
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,440
on it. They're gonna take those fights and they're gonna

619
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,240
move them just a few weeks later. Instead of taking

620
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,559
place on October twenty fifth on the pay per view

621
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,880
with Fondora and Thurman, they're gonna shift them to December sixth,

622
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,720
and they'll be on the Pitbull Cruise Lamont Roach Junior

623
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,599
pay per view. And the same may go for some

624
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,480
of those fights that are, you know, further down on

625
00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:23,240
the card that we're gonna be safe. For example, the

626
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,519
free preliminary fights, Frank Martin's fight where he was coming

627
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:29,119
back from the long layoff he was supposed to fight

628
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,559
against Rancis Barthelmy, and they had announced a couple of

629
00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:34,160
other fights. So it's a pretty good bet that when

630
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,680
you see the lineup on December sixth, some of the

631
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,279
bouts you see on that pay per view and the

632
00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:40,799
preliminators are gonna be awfully familiar because they were the

633
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,319
ones who were supposed to take place on October twenty fifth. So, look,

634
00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:46,759
it's unfortunate that when one guy gets hurt, the whole

635
00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:50,039
card has to get you know, rearranged and postponed. But

636
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,079
that's life in boxing. Unfortunately, sometimes you can salvage it

637
00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:55,359
and do other things, and in this particular case, for

638
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:56,640
different reasons, it wasn't the case.

639
00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: All right, Let's move on to a couple of other

640
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,240
items you were reporting, because I read my substack it

641
00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:04,480
is the Fight Freak Nite recap pod here and the

642
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:06,920
Fight Freak Night substack told me that it looks like

643
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,319
we're gonna get a unification middleweight title fight with janebec

644
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:14,559
Alim Canooley who has two of the belts, a WBO

645
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:19,160
and the IBF belt, and aris Landi Laura, the WBA champion.

646
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:22,000
What have we figured out and when might this be

647
00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:22,839
as well?

648
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 3: So what I was mentioning to about those fights from

649
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,240
the postponed Fundora and Thurman fight moving to December sixth,

650
00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:34,480
some of them probably will Moseley Junior fight against Ramos

651
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,400
and Lucero his fight against Valezuela. But the co feature,

652
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,759
because these are usually four fight pay per views, the

653
00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:43,160
co feature is supposed to be if they tidy things

654
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:50,039
up this fight between Janebec and the unification fight against Laura. Now,

655
00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:53,440
there had been a lot of conversation because PBC has

656
00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:56,599
Lara as the WBA champion, and they also are involved

657
00:29:56,599 --> 00:29:59,640
with Carlos and Damas, who was the WBC champion, and

658
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,559
there was conversation between them and their fighters and with

659
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,079
Top Rank, which is the promoter for Janebec, about perhaps

660
00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:07,599
doing Janebek against a Damas. I don't know if it

661
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:10,680
was a financial situation or the preference or whatever it was,

662
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,039
but a Damas is out and Lara is going to

663
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:15,839
be the opponent. So this is not even like uh.

664
00:30:16,279 --> 00:30:19,319
This was specifically PBC officials and Top Rank officials both

665
00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:21,759
telling me that they were tidying things up and that

666
00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:25,400
everything was moving along and they didn't expect there to

667
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,000
be any hang ups. Everybody was sort of on the

668
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,519
same page. So you know, I I wouldn't say it's

669
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:33,039
done yet, but it looks like it's let's call it

670
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:35,640
a trending in that direction, and that they were feeling

671
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,079
like there was not going to be any problems and

672
00:30:37,119 --> 00:30:40,880
that will be Is it the biggest attraction fight ever? No,

673
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,759
But what it does is it it will continue to consolidate,

674
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,119
you know, a poor weight class and at least put

675
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,200
one guy in a great position to have three of

676
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,440
the belts. And you know, if you think, what's Terrence

677
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,880
Crawford are going to do next? Maybe he comes and

678
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,880
fights the winner to try to win three belts and

679
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,599
make some history there, and then there's just the one

680
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,359
belt left after that, which maybe he would you know,

681
00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:03,960
if he were gonna fight let's say twice next year,

682
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,119
maybe he goes after that because the other a fighter

683
00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:09,079
would be the WBC champion, which is a domis. So

684
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,279
you know, you never say never, but it'll give the

685
00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:14,960
winner between janebec and Laura at least a carrot to

686
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:18,359
stick out there to potentially to fight with Terrence Crafford.

687
00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:22,200
But on its own, look, Laura has fought a bunch

688
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,319
of absolute shit fights for the last However, many years

689
00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:29,319
he's just absolutely miserable opposition. Since he came to middleweight.

690
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,240
He was so fighting complete drects his in his waning

691
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:35,920
days at junior middleweight. You know, he fought Danny Garcia

692
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,240
in his last fight. Now, Danny is a potential future

693
00:31:38,279 --> 00:31:40,240
Hall of Famer, but not as a middleweight. The guy

694
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:42,599
was coming up all the playoffs, had never fought above

695
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,519
fifty four, and he just got absolutely just you know,

696
00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:48,799
just killed basically in that fight. So I'm not saying

697
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:50,599
that Danny is not a good fighter, but at middleweight

698
00:31:50,599 --> 00:31:52,400
it was ridiculous. And if you go and look at

699
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,880
Laura's record, it's pathetic what he's fought at middleweight. And

700
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,160
janebec you know, he unified against Goltieri who had the

701
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,240
title for like thirty seconds that you never heard of

702
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:03,759
who and you'll never hear from again. Uh, And he

703
00:32:03,799 --> 00:32:06,720
has that's not his fault. You know, he has not

704
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:09,400
fought top opponents either, because he didn't fight another champion,

705
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,839
and you know, he's been somewhat inactive. He fought an

706
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,160
unknown guy in his home country of Kazakhstan his last fight,

707
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,440
so he's kind of been off the map, off the map,

708
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,119
at least if you put these two guys together. Look, Laura,

709
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,000
you love Martam. He's a well known commode. He's been

710
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,880
around forever, uh and he's still a pretty good fighter.

711
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,039
And even in his older age where he used to

712
00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:31,839
stink to join up, I run in our mood, you know,

713
00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:35,200
staying away from everybody, those forty two year old.

714
00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: L and Jay.

715
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: He can't get away that much, and he's got a

716
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:39,440
big heart.

717
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,319
Speaker 1: The carrot again is you're a three belt unified champion,

718
00:32:43,359 --> 00:32:45,680
and maybe the name Terrence Crawford is there as you.

719
00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: Just laid out, so that that has some incentive.

720
00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:51,119
Speaker 3: In and of itself if you can make a unification

721
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,680
fight and it adds some depth to that card. Look,

722
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,720
I said to you on when we were discussing their

723
00:32:57,119 --> 00:33:00,480
press conference from the other week between Pitt b Roach

724
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,440
on its own, you know again pay per view main event. Notwithstanding,

725
00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:09,240
I really like the Pitbull and Roach fight. You throw

726
00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:12,319
on a three belt unification that probably will be pretty

727
00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:15,240
good in the ring because Janebek is an aggressive fighter. Yeah,

728
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,400
and Laura, you know, he just doesn't move like he

729
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,839
wants it. He's sort of ever since the Jared Herd

730
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,240
fight basically he's he kind of has to stand and

731
00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:24,680
fight and he's got big heart, so he'll do it

732
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,880
if he has to, so we'll see. Maybe that could

733
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,000
be a fun fight. So that will be the co feature,

734
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,519
assuming they get all the paperwork wrapped up in and

735
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,599
that'll be December sixth and San Antonio.

736
00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:37,279
Speaker 2: Sticking with the theme of can we have good things?

737
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,279
What is this now?

738
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: I saw this also on my news and Notes on

739
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,480
my Rayphael Substack that Archer Better Biev is not going

740
00:33:43,559 --> 00:33:46,680
to be part of the Massive Ring magazine card in

741
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,680
Saudi Arabia November the twenty second. But it's not necessarily

742
00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:53,039
an injury. I mean, we what have we found out here?

743
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,960
As he's now forty one years.

744
00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 3: Old yet not yet forty one.

745
00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,079
Speaker 2: Soon to be.

746
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,799
Speaker 1: But the third with Better but with Bevil is maybe looming.

747
00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:04,960
But he's off this November twenty second card.

748
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: What's up?

749
00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:08,079
Speaker 3: Well? When they made it, it was sort of like position.

750
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:09,960
It seemed to me that he was gonna stay busy

751
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,679
while waiting for Bevill. Everybody knows Bevill had the recent

752
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,840
back surgery. It's seemingly unclear just how long he's going

753
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,119
to be out, but it just feels like they're not

754
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,280
trending towards that third fight right now. Better BM was

755
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,159
announced to be on this big card on November twenty second.

756
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:27,360
He was a late addition. They'd already announced some of

757
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,559
the other bouts to my recollection, and then he was

758
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:32,199
added to the show. It was the weakest of the fights.

759
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:34,920
He was basically staying busy. He was gonna fight, not

760
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:37,280
in a big championship fight or anything like that. Obviously,

761
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,559
the bivol had all the adults until he gave up one

762
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:41,679
of the titles. That ended up, you know, because of

763
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,480
mandatory reasons and all that business. But he was gonna

764
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:48,079
he was gonna be on this card and now he's

765
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:50,880
not now the reason, I'm told by people involved with

766
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,440
Better BV directly he is not injured. It's he was

767
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,960
fighting Dian Nicholson, not obviously a top name. If anybody knows,

768
00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:02,320
they may have saw him. He when Deontay Wilder had

769
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,679
his return fight a few months ago, he fought on

770
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,719
that undergarden and got you know, and performed on that

771
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,639
pay per view. I feel like it's probably a financial

772
00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:13,280
thing that maybe Turkey was like, you know what, I

773
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,679
don't want to spend crazy money on a Better Be

774
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,039
a fight against a Dion Nicholson level opponent when I

775
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:20,480
don't even know if I'm going to get a B

776
00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:22,920
B all third fight. That sort of seems to have

777
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,280
lost a little bit of the luster in terms of

778
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:28,400
the interest in it. That as as more time goes

779
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,400
by since the second fight, and as we tape this,

780
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,360
by the way, where one year removed from their first

781
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,119
fight on this day one year ago on Sunday, so

782
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,199
Better b is not on the card now. The interesting thing,

783
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,480
as I was recording this, it has come to my

784
00:35:41,559 --> 00:35:45,039
attention that you know, promoters love to, like, you know,

785
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:46,960
go crazy when they sign a fighter and it gets

786
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,239
announced and they have press releases and press conferences and

787
00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:51,840
you know social media and they talk to the reporters

788
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,960
and do YouTube interviews in all that business. When they

789
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,639
contract runs out or they release a guy here they're

790
00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:00,320
not with the guy anymore. That sometimes stays quiet. So

791
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:03,559
as I'm reporting what's going on with better Viv, that

792
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:05,320
he's not going to be in this November twenty two card,

793
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,800
which by the way, is still a phenomenal card because

794
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,840
you still got Dnavidis against Yard and you saw have

795
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,760
Brian Norman against Devin Hating used to go Bam Rodriguez

796
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,559
against Puma Martinez. He's still got Abdulla Mason against Sam Noakes.

797
00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:20,360
It's a stacked cart. And I don't use the word

798
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,320
stacked lightly. I bust chops when promoters use it when

799
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,360
it's a bunch of shit. This is not that this

800
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,639
is a tremendous card. But as I'm reporting this outday,

801
00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:29,920
it comes to my attention that the contract that Arthur

802
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,880
better Biev, who was for several years, ever since he

803
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,199
first won a world title, you know, a number of

804
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,719
years ago, he's been with Top rank, that contract ran

805
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,280
out like June July. So he's a free agent in

806
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,960
terms of his promotion, and there is no a paper

807
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,400
maybe morally or what they were promised or whatever, but

808
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,639
there's no contractual obligation to this third Bibo fight. So

809
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:52,360
we'll see what he decides to do. He's not hurt.

810
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,199
Maybe he'll stick with Turkey and do something else with him,

811
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,079
Maybe he'll go elsewhere. I just don't know the answer.

812
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:00,440
But the bottom line is he ain't with Top rank anymore.

813
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:03,440
He's not fighting on November twenty second. He's not injured,

814
00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:06,000
and the Devo fight for the third time, seems farther

815
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:06,519
away than.

816
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:12,559
Speaker 1: Ever TBD on Better BF. Interesting, Yeah, and what a

817
00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:14,400
difference a year makes. And again he's up there in

818
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,519
age and he's had some injuries, but as you are reporting,

819
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:18,679
this is not an injury thing for November twenty second,

820
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,079
so stay tuned on where he re surfaces.

821
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 2: Sad news.

822
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: And I remember this name from my youth. Alex Wallow,

823
00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:29,079
who was a longtime boxing analyst, writer and analyst for

824
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:31,719
ABC on their TV on their Wide World to Sports

825
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,679
boxing and their big events, has passed away at the

826
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,000
age of eighty.

827
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: I do know this. You and I didn't rehearse this.

828
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,559
Speaker 1: Wallow previously battled cancer battle throat cancer actually and had

829
00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:43,760
surgery many years ago.

830
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: So Dan pick up the trail here.

831
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,159
Speaker 1: The newer boxing fans don't know that name, but you

832
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:52,400
and I are the nostalgic type. The older fans, we

833
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:54,880
remember him calling a lot of the network TV fights

834
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:55,679
in the United States.

835
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 3: So if you watched Wide Role of Sports post Howard

836
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,679
cosell Is nineteen eighties, this is when the blow by

837
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,280
blow announcer was Jim Lampley before he went to HBO,

838
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,199
and then after Jim Lampley went HBO. You had for

839
00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:11,280
many years, you had the retired NFL player Dan Dierdorf,

840
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,119
who did a great job blow by blow. But their

841
00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:17,559
analyst for most of those events was Alex Wallow, a

842
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:22,679
tremendous announcer, a very well respected person within the business,

843
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:25,920
and and you know, an Emmy Award winner, did a

844
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,119
lot of great calls on fights. You know, I watched

845
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:30,400
a ton of fights that he did back in the

846
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,199
day with Deardorf. He was very concise with the way

847
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,920
he described it. He didn't you know, one thing I appreciated.

848
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,480
The way that Walu did the job was no bullshit,

849
00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:41,840
like in a different way, not not folks see the

850
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,719
way that like a Larry Merchant was. But he was

851
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,320
a he was a truth teller. If the fight stunk,

852
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,800
he said it. If a guy was fighting badly, he

853
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,239
said it. And he didn't beat around the bush, you know,

854
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,639
he said what was up. I mean, his job was

855
00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:56,119
to give his view and to analyze what was happening,

856
00:38:56,119 --> 00:39:00,000
and he did that. But he was known to the public,

857
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:02,480
I guess mostly because that's he was a front facing

858
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:05,920
talent doing these events at ringside. But he you know,

859
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,639
he also was a producer. He directed. But the thing

860
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:11,079
that's so bizarre, I think, and that some people think

861
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:13,599
this is kind of weird. He went from basically being

862
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:17,480
a commentator and a producer eventually worked as wet. He

863
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:20,199
became the president of ABC, like all the way up

864
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:23,159
to the top level. Been retired for you know, several years.

865
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:25,360
He was eighty years old when he passed. I found

866
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,400
out about it because I had received a statement from

867
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:32,960
Jim Lampley, from his publicist, our good friend, Fred Sternberg,

868
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:35,639
because Jim had been close to Alex for years they

869
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:38,440
worked together, and you know, he offered his condolences. And

870
00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:42,320
I saw also from Bruce Trampler, the longtime top rank

871
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,280
Hall of Fame matchmaker who knew Alex really well for

872
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,079
a million years, posted on social media about the fact

873
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:53,000
that he had passed. You know, ABC hadn't done a

874
00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:55,400
fight since two thousand. The last fight they did was

875
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,079
on the afternoon in June of two thousand, before or

876
00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:02,679
later that night was when Oscar de la Hoya fought

877
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:05,679
Shane Moseley, and Alex did that event with Deirdar. So

878
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,320
he hadn't been doing boxing coverage twenty five years. Now

879
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,920
Here we have in twenty twenty five. Right, like you said,

880
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,760
a lot of folks may not know him, but he

881
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,440
was absolutely top of the food chain, elite broadcaster for

882
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,320
a long time, and he's been on the Hall of

883
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,519
Fame ballot for several years, and you have to go

884
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:25,599
back and look. I'm pretty sure there have been times

885
00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:28,400
where I have voted for him, because you only have

886
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:29,920
so many guys you can vote for in the category.

887
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,960
It's such a hard category of the of the observers.

888
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,320
But Alex Wilder was, without question, you know, Hall of

889
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,320
Fame worthy, and it'd be really unfortunate if he I mean,

890
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,440
it'd be'd be great if he got in, but on

891
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,760
the on the flip side, because the ballots are due

892
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,039
in the next couple of weeks, it would be unfortunate

893
00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:47,159
for him to get in. I'll give the right after

894
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:48,800
he died, fans.

895
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,639
Speaker 1: A couple of Easter eggs, two or three Easter eggs.

896
00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:54,599
He did the Marvius Praiser Mike Tyson Destruction live with

897
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,880
Jim Lampley on the call when the fight didn't even

898
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,360
last forty seconds. He's also on the call all for

899
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:05,880
the George Foreman knockout of Jerry Cooney, which which I

900
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,599
believe that was the delayed call because it was a

901
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:08,960
pay per view, but they ran it on ABC.

902
00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: I remember him on that.

903
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: You know, what's a great call that he does. By

904
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,679
the way, most people know Meldrick Taylor and Chava is

905
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,079
one of from HBO, you know, with Lampley and Larry

906
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:22,280
Merchant doing that call. But ABC replayed that fight, and

907
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,880
I actually, when I saw that Alex had passed, I

908
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,760
always remembered that call to fight. I went and I

909
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,119
searched it up as the kids say on YouTube, and

910
00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:33,039
I watched round twelve of Chavez Meldrick Taylor one where

911
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:35,840
Deerdorf and while they were calling the fight, they did

912
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:37,880
just a greater call, if not better than what was

913
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,639
on h I mean, that was the level of fights

914
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:42,880
they did, because as you said, HBO had it live

915
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,280
and then like a month later, however, long after the fact,

916
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,199
they showed it on the network. That's the way of

917
00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:50,719
boxing stuff happened back in those days. That's just, you know,

918
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,639
it's a sad thing. But he was a tremendous broadcaster

919
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,920
and in many ways that was along with the h

920
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:05,239
Biel crew Lampley, Deardorf and later a Lampley and Wallow

921
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,360
and Deardorf and wall In. Any Ways, the soundtrack of

922
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,920
my boxing like as.

923
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,039
Speaker 2: A team, very noteworthy. Rest in peace there for that?

924
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:15,360
All right?

925
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,159
Speaker 1: One more quick note. Diego Pacheco was going to be back.

926
00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:20,599
When is he back?

927
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,559
Speaker 2: How soon? What we think here?

928
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,039
Speaker 3: Well, they announced it during the Nslee McCard on his own.

929
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,440
This is not a surprise. It's always sort of been

930
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,400
I guess known, if not official, that he was going

931
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,559
to fight in December on a dizone matchroum USA card,

932
00:42:34,559 --> 00:42:37,119
And that's going to happen December thirteenth. It'll take place

933
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:40,920
in Stockton, California, and he's going to take on Kevin

934
00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:43,639
Lele Sad Joe, who was if you follow your the

935
00:42:43,679 --> 00:42:45,639
European scene, he's a pretty good contender.

936
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 2: I rely on you.

937
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:50,519
Speaker 1: I don't know this is this is a guy that name,

938
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:52,079
so educate us a little more real quick.

939
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,159
Speaker 3: No, just a just a good contender. I mean he's

940
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:57,719
he's a strong African fighter, uh and just just good

941
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,119
chant it seems like. And he's got good power. And

942
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:03,920
they're bringing them to America to take on Pachecko. Now

943
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,039
they haven't announced, like what the stakes are. I guess

944
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:08,199
at least I didn't hear that. Perhaps it'll wind up

945
00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:11,000
being some type of elimination fight, but he's gonna be

946
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:13,760
on that card. They also announced that the junior welterweight

947
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,519
up and comer Tito Mercado will be on the show,

948
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and so that's gonna be probably I guess that'll be

949
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the last match from American card of this year. And

950
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Pachecko gets back in the ring. But again he's taken.

951
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,559
I don't know if it's it's maybe a decent step up.

952
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:31,559
He's certainly, in my mind, a better opponent than Celeski was,

953
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:34,360
who he knocked out in the first round, even though

954
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,920
Celeski had never been never been stopped previously, or maybe

955
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,280
he had been stopped, but certainly not that quickly. But

956
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,639
but look, Pachecko is a is an excellent young fighter.

957
00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:48,159
You just want to see him have the development, keep active,

958
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:50,840
you know, keep what they say, lining them up and

959
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,480
knocking him down, and he'll get his chance. He's still

960
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:55,280
very young fighter. There's still plenty of room for improvement,

961
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:57,519
plenty of things he can learn. And you go in

962
00:43:57,559 --> 00:43:59,599
the ring with a with a tough, solid fighter like

963
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,199
Joe and uh, you know, you're gonna learn something. However,

964
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,639
the thing ends up. I mean, so they've been matching

965
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:08,599
them the right way. You know, he's been a good

966
00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:10,320
building job by match him. They sign him out of

967
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,840
the amateurs. I mentioned you about when he knocked out Celeski.

968
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,320
It wasn't the first round, it was the sixth round.

969
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:19,400
But that was the first time he had ever been stopped.

970
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,800
I was thinking about because after that, a couple of

971
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,400
fights later he fought Mobilly and the abillity stoped Celeski

972
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,159
in the first round. But yeah, Pa Gecko, this is

973
00:44:26,159 --> 00:44:29,400
back in twenty twenty four. He was the first, the

974
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,599
first one to stop him in a fight. And so

975
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you know, sad Joe will say, I mean, like I said,

976
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:39,079
strong guy. Uh maybe not the most uh gifted in

977
00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:41,599
terms of his skills, more of like a rugged type

978
00:44:41,639 --> 00:44:44,960
of you know, come forward type of guy. But feels

979
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,719
like I had a good chin. We'll see it's gonna

980
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,039
be again. Is it the biggest fight of all time? No,

981
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:52,440
but it's if you're if you're a boxing geek, I

982
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,079
feel like that's a pretty interesting matchup.

983
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: And uh again, this is for December, for the return

984
00:44:57,039 --> 00:45:00,480
of Diego Pacheco as we're talking about h and we've

985
00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:04,559
we've gone over plenty here tonight again it is a

986
00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:07,960
Danny Garcia fight week Later this week the return to.

987
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 3: Brooklyn interview, my interview with the Missouri.

988
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 2: The interview is up.

989
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 3: By the way, I didn't mention about his first TROGI goes.

990
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,719
I just looked us up and we're talking. He's twenty

991
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,360
six and oh with twenty three knockouts.

992
00:45:18,679 --> 00:45:20,079
Speaker 2: The guy that's gonna fight Pacheco.

993
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 3: Right, he's a little older, but he's not like a

994
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,679
used he's thirty five, but he's not a used up

995
00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:26,159
shot guy. I mean he's and he said, like I said,

996
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:26,920
strong as a bull.

997
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for that.

998
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: Listen, great stuff here off the weekend. Everybody have a

999
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,559
good week as we rock on in October. Disappointing that

1000
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:38,960
the Fundurra uh Thurman card is gone, but Joseph Parker,

1001
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,159
who you'll hear later on this podcast feed in the

1002
00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:47,159
coming shows, is still scheduled to defend the WBO interim

1003
00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:49,360
title also on that same weekend, so we still do

1004
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,519
have some action here as the month. Fabio Wardley, right,

1005
00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:55,239
Fabio Wardley could be it would be dangerous here with

1006
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,159
Parker again risking his position to maybe fight User or

1007
00:45:59,199 --> 00:45:59,920
be the full champion.

1008
00:46:01,039 --> 00:46:03,159
Speaker 2: Stay tuned, Stay tuned for that listen.

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Speaker 1: Have a good week and for all the Peaks, have

1010
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a good weekend, Rayphiel.

1011
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Speaker 2: Thank you.

1012
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Speaker 3: Bet DJ.

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