1 00:00:02,799 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Broadcasting from the comfy confines of Studio ay Here at 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,439 Proven Winters, Color Joy Shrubs. It's time for the Gardening 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,439 Simplified Show with Stacy Hervella Me, Rick weisst and our 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,719 engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, Stacy, we need to 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,160 eat more plants. Everybody needs to eat more plants. And 6 00:00:22,199 --> 00:00:24,679 I had so much fun at the greenhouse this past 7 00:00:24,719 --> 00:00:29,679 weekend with the spring season kicking in, selling some of 8 00:00:29,719 --> 00:00:35,719 the Proven Winters edibles like Splendid Blue blueberry. And to me, 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:40,759 a blueberry plant is the perfect example of a plant 10 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,880 that can be functional providing food, but also be esthetically 11 00:00:46,119 --> 00:00:48,640 pleasing with gorgeous fault color. 12 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:54,119 Speaker 2: It's true. They are eminently landscape worthy, beautiful foliage in 13 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,759 the spring and flowers in the spring, and then you 14 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,039 got the fruit, and then you've got amazing fall color 15 00:00:59,479 --> 00:01:01,560 and then those nice red stems, As anybody who lives 16 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,319 in West Michigan and drives literally anywhere can tell you, 17 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,640 they're fabulous even in winter. And Splendid Blue is one 18 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,439 of our newer varieties. It's a blueberry. The blue, of 19 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,719 course comes from the blueberry, but also the foliage is blue. 20 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,239 I mean you've seen it at the greenhouse, isn't it 21 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:16,359 just absolutely gorgeous? 22 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: Gorgeous and people were very excited to see that on display. 23 00:01:22,239 --> 00:01:27,120 Right next to it, Taste of Heaven, thornless BlackBerry, easy 24 00:01:27,359 --> 00:01:28,760 as pie bush cherry. 25 00:01:29,079 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited about this. 26 00:01:30,599 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: You know, so a bush cherry. It's not a plant 27 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,079 that a lot of people are familiar with. Now, if 28 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:36,760 you fear like a hardcore food gardener, you probably know 29 00:01:36,799 --> 00:01:39,280 of bush cherries, but the average person doesn't. You know, 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,680 they grow weeping cherry, flowering cherry. You can't eat those, 31 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:45,400 they don't produce any fruits. But the bush cherry easy 32 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,079 as pie is a shrubby cherry does not need a pollinator. 33 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,400 It's great for an edible hedge, and it gets bright 34 00:01:52,439 --> 00:01:55,480 red fruits. Now they're quite tart, but not like I wish. 35 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,439 I wouldn't have eaten this tart. They're still good enough 36 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,319 to eat and you don't need pollinator. They're pretty much 37 00:02:01,359 --> 00:02:03,799 pest and disease free. It's just a great way to 38 00:02:03,959 --> 00:02:07,120 have edible fruit at arm's length. You know, in the summer, 39 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:07,959 I agrease. 40 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: They see it's a This is a shrub that I 41 00:02:10,159 --> 00:02:13,120 would plunk smack dab right in the middle of my 42 00:02:13,319 --> 00:02:16,520 landscape and be very happy to do that. 43 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 3: And of course we were. 44 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: Busy selling pesto besto basil and a masal basil. To me, 45 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,000 it's just basil instinct, one of the most popular annuals 46 00:02:27,039 --> 00:02:30,520 that you will sell in a greenhouse. Of course, you 47 00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:35,360 think of the versatility in cuisine like manute, while many 48 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:41,520 dishes like Italian pesto salads thaie cuisine. So you know, 49 00:02:41,719 --> 00:02:46,879 all these great plants essentially add to the landscape. Esthetically, 50 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,719 we want to eat more plants, but at the same 51 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:54,719 time it brings up the point that we also enjoy 52 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:59,039 these plants many times for what they visually give to us. 53 00:02:59,080 --> 00:02:59,719 Speaker 3: And when we. 54 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: Get in a vegetable planting season, that's an intense time 55 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,560 of the year at the greenhouse or a garden center 56 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,919 because it's a short it's similar to the Christmas season. 57 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:17,199 It's short, it's compact, it's intense, and if you live 58 00:03:17,479 --> 00:03:22,039 in Northern States or into Canada, we have what I 59 00:03:22,159 --> 00:03:27,520 typically call the do over planting season. Some years we 60 00:03:27,719 --> 00:03:30,599 have that where you get very excited about putting out 61 00:03:30,719 --> 00:03:34,919 vegetables and getting your vegetables season starting because we want 62 00:03:34,919 --> 00:03:36,680 to maximize the. 63 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 3: Yield in the garden. 64 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: But if we plant a little too early, we get 65 00:03:41,719 --> 00:03:45,120 one of those zinger frosts. People come back and plant 66 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,280 a second time some years. 67 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,759 Speaker 2: Which you should do. I mean my all is if 68 00:03:48,759 --> 00:03:52,560 you got overly enthusiastic, you know, I mean, everyone has 69 00:03:52,599 --> 00:03:54,599 their first your vegetable gardening. But if you live in 70 00:03:54,599 --> 00:03:58,599 a cold climate, you're pretty familiar with those cold snaps 71 00:03:58,639 --> 00:04:01,039 come in somewhat time in those two weeks first weeks 72 00:04:01,039 --> 00:04:04,520 to May Mother's Day typically without fail. Last reason, I 73 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,080 have a Mother's Day frost, but that was the rare 74 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,879 Mother's Day they have a frost. But yeah, it's never 75 00:04:09,919 --> 00:04:11,199 too late to start again. I mean, it can be 76 00:04:11,199 --> 00:04:14,280 a little disheartening. You could also protect your plants if 77 00:04:14,319 --> 00:04:16,319 a frost or freeze is called for. But you know, 78 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,560 I think most gardeners who have a little experience under 79 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,160 their belt definitely aren't putting out anything super tender tomatoes, peppers, 80 00:04:23,639 --> 00:04:27,600 egg plant, basil, any of those cucumbers, delicate plants. They're 81 00:04:27,639 --> 00:04:30,560 not going out until third week of May at best. 82 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I agree, And I love planting oregano and chives. 83 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,800 As long as we're talking about eat more plants and 84 00:04:39,079 --> 00:04:43,800 edible plants. Of course, chives mind come back year after years. 85 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,959 Sometimes just let them go to flour and they're beautiful. 86 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,680 Same thing with oregano. Sometimes I just let it go 87 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,240 to flour and it's gorgeous. And I just added to 88 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:59,759 my landscape drops of Jupiter ornamental oregano chartruse yellow leaves 89 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,000 top with mauve pink flowers. 90 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:03,759 Speaker 3: What a great plant. 91 00:05:03,879 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: Again, Stacy, The point here is when we're landscaping, gardening, 92 00:05:07,759 --> 00:05:08,639 whatever it may be. 93 00:05:10,519 --> 00:05:12,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, we look at a plot. 94 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: Where we want to maximize yields, and there's methods of 95 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,800 doing that, and we can chat about that today. But 96 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:24,040 to me, edible plants, well, they're just plain beautiful. 97 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: They're beautiful, and you know, it really is I think, 98 00:05:28,079 --> 00:05:29,720 and I've said this on the show before, just the 99 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,959 ultimate and luxury to be able to go into your 100 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:37,839 own backyard and have a grocery store of sorts. You know, 101 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,120 I think if you're growing the right plants for the 102 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,360 food that you like to eat, you know, with trial 103 00:05:43,399 --> 00:05:47,040 and error and expanding your palate every year, you end 104 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,519 up with plants that, you know, it's just I don't, 105 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,040 I just I can't even explain the joy of being 106 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,199 in the kitchen and going, oh, shoot, I didn't buy 107 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,639 any scallions. Well, I can just go back, you know, 108 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:01,639 outside and pick garlic, chives, or pick you know, the chives, 109 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,600 or you know, any number of plants, and it's just 110 00:06:04,959 --> 00:06:07,839 there's nothing. I'm gonna say this too, there's nothing like 111 00:06:07,959 --> 00:06:10,800 you're cooking and then you're like, oh wait, I need 112 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:12,920 something from the garden, and so you get your garden 113 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,480 shoes on, you take a little break from the kitchen, 114 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,959 you go out. It's a beautiful summer evening and you 115 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,160 just go out and you pick the stuff and you 116 00:06:22,199 --> 00:06:24,480 bring it back in, and it's just that's what I 117 00:06:24,519 --> 00:06:26,800 wait all year for. That's just the most magical moment 118 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:27,480 in gardening for me. 119 00:06:27,639 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: I agree, stay see one hundred percent. It's like the 120 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:34,800 salary said to the carrot, you have a point, and 121 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:39,560 the point well, and the point is this is that 122 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:44,759 many people talk about adding edibles or vegetable gardening because 123 00:06:44,879 --> 00:06:49,240 Adriana likes that it was a good one, well thank you, 124 00:06:49,879 --> 00:06:56,040 but many people will think about, sorry, it just came out. 125 00:06:56,959 --> 00:06:57,639 Speaker 2: It was good. 126 00:06:58,480 --> 00:06:59,399 Speaker 3: Sorry. 127 00:07:00,519 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 2: Well, you know, as a cucumber said to the tomato, 128 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:04,360 you threw me for a loop. 129 00:07:04,759 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: Yeah right, we're hot today. 130 00:07:14,279 --> 00:07:16,399 Speaker 3: I don't even remember what the point was that I 131 00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:17,160 was going to make it. 132 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:19,439 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. 133 00:07:19,519 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: So the deal is you'll see people on YouTube or 134 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,920 wherever it may be talking about the fact that you 135 00:07:27,959 --> 00:07:30,480 need to grow a vegetable garden because it will save 136 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,959 you money. I'm not so sure about that, because by 137 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,879 the time you've bought the soil, the plants, or raised 138 00:07:36,879 --> 00:07:41,160 bed containers, fertilizer, everything else, those tomatoes can get a 139 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:44,879 little bit of expensive. I personally believe that edible gardening 140 00:07:44,879 --> 00:07:48,399 and edible landscape is important, not only for the esthetics, 141 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:53,279 but in addition to that, the health factor and the 142 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:56,839 taste factor. You're so right, Stacy on a summer day 143 00:07:56,839 --> 00:07:59,199 to be able to go out there, clip a few chives, 144 00:07:59,279 --> 00:08:01,600 grab a tomato plants, some basil leaves. 145 00:08:01,879 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 3: Wow, it's just a thrill. 146 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I am a knitter in my spare 147 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:08,839 time when I'm not gardening, and knitting, similarly, is very 148 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:11,680 much not about saving money. You know, you buy yarn 149 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,360 for a sweater or a pair of socks. It costs 150 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,560 well more than a sweater or a pair of socks 151 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,519 that you'd buy, but it's about the hobby time, which 152 00:08:17,519 --> 00:08:20,319 is so important if you enjoy this having that time. 153 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,319 And it's about the quality and selection because you can 154 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,720 make when you're knitting, you can make everything exactly to 155 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,759 your taste. And similarly, when you're vegetable gardening, you're not 156 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,720 limited by the tomatoes that happen to keep well on 157 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:33,919 the grocery shelf. Yes, you can go and buy those cheaply, 158 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,559 and they're of course better in the summer. But you know, 159 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:41,159 I this year am growing eight or nine different tomatoes 160 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,799 that I've never grown before, really unique varieties, and I 161 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,799 am just super excited about having them. And yeah, the 162 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,519 electricity I'm spending right now to have my heat mats 163 00:08:50,519 --> 00:08:53,360 and my fan and my grow lights on everything I 164 00:08:53,399 --> 00:08:55,360 spent to have the plants ship because of course, once 165 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,879 I started shopping for seed, then you get free shipping 166 00:08:57,919 --> 00:08:59,440 at a certain amount, so then you got to add 167 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,559 more till you to that amount. It's not about saving money. 168 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,039 You may save money, and if so, that's awesome, but 169 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,519 it really is about the joy and the satisfaction. And 170 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,720 if you love to eat, and I should love growing 171 00:09:11,799 --> 00:09:13,240 vegetables too, Yeah. 172 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 3: No, I agree. 173 00:09:14,159 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: And when you approach it you have to think about. 174 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,440 I'm going to do this in quotes, your root print, 175 00:09:20,039 --> 00:09:23,279 your root print. In other words, as we've talked about 176 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,600 with landscape plants going vertical or fastigit plants, we can 177 00:09:27,639 --> 00:09:30,639 do the same thing with vegetable plants. I have a 178 00:09:30,639 --> 00:09:33,600 picture for our YouTube viewers of a cucumber that was 179 00:09:33,639 --> 00:09:36,799 trying to escape the compound last year. Oh no, in 180 00:09:36,879 --> 00:09:40,080 my vegetable garden. Yeah, and he got stuck in the fence. 181 00:09:40,639 --> 00:09:43,799 But I grow my cucumbers at a forty five degree 182 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,080 angle allow air underneath. And of course you want to 183 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,399 have lots of flowers around your vegetable garden too, because 184 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,960 it attracts pollinators to the garden and it benefits the 185 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,720 vegetable garden so so much that we can talk about. 186 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,720 We will also in segment four give you some pointers 187 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,240 on achieving this a more edible garden. Let me mention 188 00:10:07,399 --> 00:10:10,840 the eat more plants limb a rick before we go 189 00:10:10,879 --> 00:10:12,000 to plants on trial. 190 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 3: Here. It is my diet. 191 00:10:14,159 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: I need to enhance, not leave my health to chance. 192 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:23,559 So I might fantasize about a drive through burger and fries, 193 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,600 but my goal is to eat more plants. Some foods 194 00:10:27,639 --> 00:10:32,440 have a real downside. I admit sometimes I backslide. Just 195 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,360 mix up some batter and some oil to splatter because 196 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:36,840 I like. 197 00:10:36,799 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 3: My onions and Okra deep Fried and I. 198 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 2: Do yeah, and that's some good stuff. I'm not gonna lie. 199 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: Plants on trial. Coming up next here on the Gardening Simplified. 200 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:55,919 Speaker 2: Show, beautify your home and community with proven Winner's Color 201 00:10:56,039 --> 00:10:58,919 Choice Shrubs. With over three hundred and twenty five unique 202 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,000 varieties to choose from. There's a flowering shrub or evergreen 203 00:11:02,039 --> 00:11:04,840 for every taste and every space. Just look for the 204 00:11:04,879 --> 00:11:07,919 distinctive white container your local garden center or learn more 205 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:13,399 at proven Winner's Color Choice dot com. Greetings gardening friends, 206 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,919 and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where we're 207 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,519 talking all about vegetable gardening, because especially if you are 208 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,080 in a cooler climate, it is time to start planning 209 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,600 and planting. Still a little too early for tomatoes and 210 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,000 eggplants and peppers and the like, if that is your 211 00:11:30,039 --> 00:11:33,200 inclination in these colder climates. But of course our warm 212 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,440 climate friends are probably going gangbusters with their tomatoes and 213 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,320 peppers and everything. But it's not too really to do 214 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:44,919 things like radishes, carrots, lettuce, parsley, all sorts of wonderful things. 215 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,679 And so we want it to be timely and inspire 216 00:11:47,759 --> 00:11:51,200 you to think about growing something, because you know, I 217 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:56,120 think there's just so much benefit to growing your own vegetables. 218 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,200 You don't have to go crazy, you don't have to 219 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,240 like cord an off a huge part of your yard, exactly. 220 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:02,919 You can just grow one to mate. Oh, you can 221 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,960 just grow one cucumber, whatever you like to eat. It 222 00:12:06,759 --> 00:12:08,600 changes the way you think about food, It changes the 223 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,159 way you think about plants, It changes the way you 224 00:12:10,159 --> 00:12:13,080 think about gardening. And it's just a wonderful thing. 225 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,519 Speaker 1: And when I was a kid in the nineteen sixties, 226 00:12:15,639 --> 00:12:19,320 kids then, you know, people had big plots, big garden plots, 227 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,679 and boy, on a summer day you'd spend your time 228 00:12:21,759 --> 00:12:26,960 picking beans and shocking corn and working on the you know, 229 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,240 you'd be laboring out there, and you didn't like it 230 00:12:30,279 --> 00:12:30,799 so much. 231 00:12:30,919 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 2: Well, no, And you know, also, just like when we 232 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,919 have talked in the past about how you know, flowers 233 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,919 and gardening was very different because of plant breeding. Vegetable 234 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,720 gardening is very different because of plant breeding. You know, 235 00:12:42,759 --> 00:12:46,320 you no longer need to worry about diseases even some 236 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:51,080 pests have. There's been varieties developed to be resistant, stringless 237 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,440 peas and beans and all of these things that you 238 00:12:53,519 --> 00:12:56,039 no longer have to labor over, although there is something 239 00:12:56,080 --> 00:13:00,120 to be said about a summer afternoon shelling beans and 240 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,519 that kind of thing, but it's gotten a lot easier 241 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,080 from what you might think back in the day. Now, 242 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,919 I need to change gears here because I want to 243 00:13:09,919 --> 00:13:13,000 share something that I heard last weekend in a video 244 00:13:13,039 --> 00:13:16,840 on YouTube. It just happened to catch this. It was 245 00:13:16,879 --> 00:13:19,039 in a video about an architect in a house that 246 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,759 he had designed, and he says in the video, his 247 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:27,159 name's Jim Cutler. Creating habitat is a high calling and 248 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,240 that just really stuck with me, and I've been thinking 249 00:13:30,279 --> 00:13:32,559 a lot about it over the last week ever since 250 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:37,080 I heard that. Because when you garden, whatever your goal 251 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,960 in gardening is, it's because you like flowers, it's because 252 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,159 you want to grow vegetables, it's because all of your 253 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,480 neighbors have plants in your yards looking kind of barren. 254 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:50,440 Whatever your reason for planting something, you are creating habitat. 255 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,799 Because animals, for everything from birds to bugs, to beavers 256 00:13:54,840 --> 00:14:00,360 and everything else, they are interconnected with plants at some level, 257 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,440 I mean, are all of life depends on plants. So 258 00:14:02,519 --> 00:14:07,279 when we when we plant anything, we are planting habitat. 259 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:10,919 Now we can make our choices to be habitat for 260 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,600 you know, better habitat for things that we want in 261 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,120 our garden, or we can you know, make them worse habitat. 262 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,679 But there's always going to be something, some birds, something 263 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,559 taking advantage of that habitat in your garden. And when 264 00:14:23,559 --> 00:14:28,120 you are a vegetable gardener, your vegetable garden is habitat too, 265 00:14:28,799 --> 00:14:32,559 and very often it's habitat for things that you don't 266 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,120 necessarily want in there because they are competing with you 267 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,120 for the very vegetables that you are trying to produce 268 00:14:39,639 --> 00:14:43,720 from this garden, and so sometimes those need to be managed. 269 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:45,960 But very often, you know what I aim to do 270 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:47,919 in my garden, because no one really wants to use 271 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,799 a bunch of pesticides on that vegetable garden. You want 272 00:14:50,799 --> 00:14:54,159 to look for you know IPM Integrated pest Management alternative 273 00:14:54,159 --> 00:14:56,720 methods for managing it. And one of the ways that 274 00:14:56,799 --> 00:15:01,919 you can do that is to create habitat for beneficial insects. 275 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,480 And we've talked about beneficial insects here and there kind 276 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,879 of name drops some things like lace wings or minute 277 00:15:07,919 --> 00:15:10,759 pirate bugs or parasitic wasps. There's lots and lots of 278 00:15:10,759 --> 00:15:13,320 them out there. Ladybugs of course, probably one of the 279 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,320 most famous praying mantis. Little non discriminating in what it eats, 280 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:21,000 but still an effective predator. So a beneficial insect is 281 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:26,639 an insect that eats insects that eat plants at one 282 00:15:26,679 --> 00:15:30,279 of its life stages. So lots of beneficial insects will 283 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,000 only eat insects in one of their life phases. So 284 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,320 you know, insects can undergo complete metamorphosis like a butterfly 285 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,559 where you go caterpillar larva to butterfly, or incomplete metamorphosis, 286 00:15:41,559 --> 00:15:44,440 which is something like oh, a grasshopper, right, so you 287 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,279 would see something a baby grasshopper. It's just a little grasshopper, 288 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:50,320 and then the grasshopper gets bigger through the season, sheds 289 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,200 its skin and gets bigger and bigger. So sometimes in 290 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,919 that case it would be the smaller versions of that 291 00:15:56,039 --> 00:16:00,440 will eat the insects very often the larger the adult 292 00:16:00,679 --> 00:16:05,080 insects need to feed on nectar, sure, so they are 293 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,840 attracted to nectar in your garden, not the pest insects. 294 00:16:08,879 --> 00:16:12,200 They're eating the nectar, they're eating flowers, their larva, they 295 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,639 lay their eggs if the habitat looks suitable. So what 296 00:16:16,679 --> 00:16:18,759 we really want to do when we're vegetable gardening is 297 00:16:18,799 --> 00:16:22,480 to think about the larger habitat in and around our 298 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,879 vegetable gardens and have plants in it that attract beneficial 299 00:16:26,879 --> 00:16:28,960 insects so we can rely on them to do some 300 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,240 of the work. Not only is that going to help 301 00:16:31,279 --> 00:16:34,679 us from a pest control perspective, but it's just delightful. 302 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,679 I know, you know, I'm a big advocate for insects. 303 00:16:38,679 --> 00:16:41,919 It's the reason why a garden. I love to see 304 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,000 insects in my garden. The more the better. They're endlessly fascinating, 305 00:16:46,399 --> 00:16:48,440 and so to me, this is all a very good thing. 306 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,519 Even if you're a little squeamish about them, I think again, 307 00:16:51,679 --> 00:16:56,679 once you start vegetable gardening, your attitude towards everything just changes. 308 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: Super important to educate ourselves on these things mentioned in 309 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,919 the first segment. My frame of reference to nineteen sixties 310 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,599 working in the vegetable garden with my dad. But if 311 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:09,839 you think back to the nineteen sixties, you have Silent Spring, 312 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,599 which came out in nineteen sixty and the decade culminated 313 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:18,079 with Earth Day. April of nineteen seventy was the first day. 314 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,160 So yeah, getting a familiarization with these types of things 315 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,119 and these methods and using beneficial insects to your advantage 316 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:27,119 super important. 317 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 2: We become a participant in the ecosystem. So today's plants 318 00:17:31,519 --> 00:17:35,119 on trial are those pollinator plants that you know, again 319 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:36,960 we're not just doing it because we want them to 320 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,640 pull into our vegetables, although that is important. A number 321 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,799 of vegetables are self fruitful in that they don't need 322 00:17:42,839 --> 00:17:45,559 an insect to come along and move pollen from one 323 00:17:45,599 --> 00:17:49,039 flower to another. But you know, having more pollination in 324 00:17:49,039 --> 00:17:52,000 the vegetable garden is always a good thing. And again 325 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,440 it attracts these beneficial insects, so they will stick around, 326 00:17:55,759 --> 00:17:57,680 have babies in your yard, and they'll give you that 327 00:17:57,799 --> 00:18:01,599 free pest control. Now, I will tell a lie. The 328 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:08,400 majority of beneficial insects sustaining plants are not shrubs. It's 329 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,079 just no two ways around us. And this is you know, 330 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,240 proven winter's color choice shrubs. So we talk about witty 331 00:18:13,279 --> 00:18:16,240 plants a lot. The best plants that you can plant 332 00:18:16,319 --> 00:18:19,759 for beneficial insects are in the apac family, which is 333 00:18:19,799 --> 00:18:23,559 also known as the Umbelliferae or the umbel family. So 334 00:18:23,559 --> 00:18:27,960 we're talking things like dill, parsley, anything that has that wide, 335 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,119 beautiful kind of flower. Queen Anne's lace is another great 336 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:35,200 example that people may know and love. Also plants in 337 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,000 the Astoraci or the daisy family. Now what you'll notice 338 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,440 about both of those plants is the flowers are made 339 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,039 up of lots and lots of teeny tiny little flowers, 340 00:18:43,039 --> 00:18:45,880 so these little insects can get in there and get 341 00:18:46,039 --> 00:18:49,680 that nectar. And the other great thing about these is 342 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,680 there great plants to have around the vegetable garden. To 343 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,920 have dial to have parsley, to have sunflowers, to have 344 00:18:55,039 --> 00:18:58,400 zinnias in your vegetable garden. It's just it's beautiful and 345 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,160 it's beneficial. But on the outside of the vegetable garden, 346 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,319 your landscape, any flower garden that you have, there are 347 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,680 actually a number of shrubs that you can plant that 348 00:19:09,759 --> 00:19:12,640 are going to give you a similarly long bloom time 349 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,359 and serve as a really really good source of nectar. 350 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,799 So again, when we think about the choices that we 351 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,519 make in our gardening, you can opt for these plants 352 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:27,039 create more habitat to create a better environment for everyone. 353 00:19:27,079 --> 00:19:29,720 So my number one choice here without question. If you 354 00:19:29,759 --> 00:19:32,759 live in a cool climate, it's Happy Face Potentilla bet Now, 355 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:37,119 potentilla's in general are a great plant for pollinators, especially 356 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,680 the herbaceous, but the woody ones are as well. The 357 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,279 Happy Face Potentilla from Privenvener's color choice shrubs, very big flowers, 358 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,200 wide open, tons of pollen and nectar. And what's great 359 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,839 about them they bloom NonStop all summer long. So there's 360 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,599 always going to be that sustained food source. Because when 361 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,960 you're attracting these insects to your garden, you know you 362 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,920 don't want them to say, oh, well, hey, this thing 363 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,640 isn't blooming anymore. I guess I better move on. This way, 364 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,119 you're going to always have that supply of flowers. So 365 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,240 Happy faced Potentilla comes in four colors, yellow, which would 366 00:20:07,279 --> 00:20:10,119 be my first choice for pollinators, white, and then there's 367 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,400 also two different pinks. Very easy plant to grow, full sun, 368 00:20:14,839 --> 00:20:18,640 super deer resistant and very cool deer resist, very dear resistent. 369 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,079 Not your vegetable garden so much you're gonna need to 370 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,480 fence that off if deer resistance is a concern. The 371 00:20:24,519 --> 00:20:26,640 other one that people might be surprised to think about 372 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:31,519 is roses. Any rose where you can see those interior parts. 373 00:20:31,559 --> 00:20:35,039 All of that pollen and nectar will attract beneficial insects. 374 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,519 There's lots of it in there for them. And similar 375 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:43,000 to the to the potentilla blooming all summer long, so 376 00:20:43,039 --> 00:20:45,880 you're gonna again have that sustained food source. Another choice. Now, 377 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,200 I know that butterfly bush can be very controversial for 378 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,759 lots of people when we're talking about pollinators, but the 379 00:20:51,799 --> 00:20:55,279 fact is butterflies are not the only insect that can 380 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,039 use a butterfly bush. And much like the last two 381 00:20:58,039 --> 00:21:00,440 plants I mentioned, you're going to have that can consistent 382 00:21:00,519 --> 00:21:04,160 flowering all summer long, absolutely full of nectar. So there's 383 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,279 going to be all sorts of bees and beetles and 384 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,960 all of these wonderful things that will help you out 385 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,960 in your garden and invite more diversity. And the more 386 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,440 diversity you have in your garden in plants in insects, 387 00:21:15,599 --> 00:21:18,839 trust me, the better off you are all going to be. 388 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:20,839 I could go on and on and on about this 389 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,119 topic because I am so passionate about flowers and insects 390 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,079 in the garden, but we have to take a little break, 391 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,519 so we will do that and when we come back, 392 00:21:28,599 --> 00:21:30,240 we're going to be opening up the mail bag, so 393 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:40,680 please stick around. 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That is amazing, Thank you, 423 00:23:12,519 --> 00:23:14,240 thank you very I mean, that's hard to believe, right, 424 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,599 we've seen it all. Yeah, you've had the opportunity to 425 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,200 so congratulations on serving the West Michigan gardening community for 426 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,039 fifty years. That's truly incredible. 427 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:24,559 Speaker 3: Thank you. 428 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,599 Speaker 1: It's been It's been a fun adventure and I have 429 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,279 so many stories that I can share with people interacting 430 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,559 with people in the garden center. It's just been a 431 00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:34,759 great experience for me. 432 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,279 Speaker 2: Well, unfortunately, you've had your excellent sense of humor to 433 00:23:37,319 --> 00:23:39,960 sustain you through even the most maddening moment. 434 00:23:40,079 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: You have to have a sense of humous if you're 435 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,079 going to be in the garden center retail business. 436 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:46,799 Speaker 2: Yes, so what do we got here? 437 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 3: So lotus pods? 438 00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:51,839 Speaker 1: Just want to mention we're talking about edible plants today 439 00:23:52,319 --> 00:23:56,880 and I'm walking the beach on Sunday, so live along 440 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,119 the lake shore here in West Michigan, Lake Michigan, and 441 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:06,799 thousands of these lotus pods. Our YouTube viewers can see them. Yeah, 442 00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:07,720 and they're rattles. 443 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're getting sand all over me. 444 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 3: But thousands of them. 445 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,279 Speaker 1: So I took some pictures, a little bit of video, 446 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:16,880 put it in social media. 447 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,319 Speaker 3: It was picked up by the media. 448 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,599 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, the NBC affiliate here in 449 00:24:21,599 --> 00:24:26,680 West Michigan, Ellen Baka, the meteorologist at Wood TV eight, 450 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:31,200 picked up on it and people just jumped all over 451 00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:34,319 This number of people had no idea what they were. 452 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,279 They're American lotus pods floated out of the marsh. With 453 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,079 the heavy rains that we had in April into Lake 454 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,759 Michigan and the storm pushes them up on the shore 455 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,279 whil you have these rattles all over the place. And 456 00:24:48,319 --> 00:24:50,880 it was interesting to me. Two things that were interesting 457 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,640 to me, Stacey. One, a lot of people have a 458 00:24:53,759 --> 00:24:59,279 phobia of lotus pods or honeycomb or sponges. 459 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 3: It's quite interesting. 460 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: The other is that the seeds within the lotus pods 461 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:07,359 are edible. 462 00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:09,039 Speaker 3: I did not know that. 463 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,799 Speaker 2: Yes, the seeds are edible, and also the roots of 464 00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:16,200 lotus are highly edible and delicious. Now I can't speak 465 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,559 so much about the American There are North American native lotus, 466 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,599 but in Japan it's very popular. It's known as rain 467 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,160 rain colon, and I actually ate at a restaurant in 468 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,880 Tokyo that was devoted exclusively to lotus, and so it's 469 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,400 really crunchy, really tasty. You can put it in soups, 470 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,799 there's all sorts of different things that you can do 471 00:25:35,839 --> 00:25:38,720 with it. I'm not sure that the North American lotus 472 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:41,319 is quite as seculent for its roots, but the seeds 473 00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:44,039 are absolutely edible. And it's really cool that you've seen 474 00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:47,200 these whole because normally when these wash up on the shore, 475 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:50,960 they're pretty beat up right, and these are like perfectly intact. Yeah, 476 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,720 and now is the time you see so many come 477 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:56,039 up on shore. So if you are anywhere in the 478 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,279 vicinity of Lake Michigan on the east shore or the 479 00:25:58,319 --> 00:26:02,319 west shore, you'll probably see some of these and beautiful plant. 480 00:26:02,319 --> 00:26:03,839 The problem is, you know, we don't really get to 481 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,000 see lotus plants blooming or growing because they grow out 482 00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:09,839 kind of in the middle of the bayous and marshes 483 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,599 around here. So unless you're a kayaker or canoe or 484 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,319 you're not going to get a good look at our 485 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,000 beautiful and amazing native lotus. 486 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 3: And they are gorgeous, you bet you. 487 00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:21,799 Speaker 2: And you know the flower, like the inside when it's 488 00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:24,480 a fresh flower is so interesting because it's like a 489 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,480 little miniature green version of this and then it expands 490 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:33,400 into this. So just a beautiful, interesting plant, symbolic in 491 00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:36,240 North America and super symbolic of course in Asia as 492 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:37,960 it's associated with Buddhism. 493 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 3: Fantastic. 494 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,039 Speaker 1: Let me mention also Stacey for the mail bag. I 495 00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:48,920 had someone stop me the other day, a person who 496 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,920 listens to our podcast, and she said that she goes 497 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,559 to Florida for three months in winter. Her husband does 498 00:26:58,599 --> 00:27:01,920 not want to go. He stays home and she put 499 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,440 him in charge of taking care of the plants. And 500 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,680 under the sink is the water soluble fertilizer for the plants, 501 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:14,200 but he instead grabbed the bubble powder for the grand kids. 502 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,920 They used to make big bubbles using a wand fed 503 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,599 the plants all winter while she was gone with the. 504 00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 2: Bubbles, so it wasn't a one time. 505 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 3: Thing and the plants survived it. 506 00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:29,279 Speaker 2: Wow. He must have been a good water then, so 507 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,519 he was like rinsing away all of that soap residue 508 00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:34,720 that would normally not be so right for the plants. 509 00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:38,759 Speaker 1: So that's typical of those kinds of stories that I've had, 510 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,480 you know I've heard in the garden center. 511 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,799 Speaker 2: Well, no, it's water soluble. For how did it not 512 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,160 bubble up like crazy? 513 00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 3: He just used it. 514 00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:50,799 Speaker 1: He was instructed to use it, and he grabbed the 515 00:27:50,839 --> 00:27:51,880 wrong container. 516 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 3: And there you go. 517 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: And you know, a picture for our YouTube viewers of 518 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,680 those big bubbles you can make with this a picture 519 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,759 I took on the beach last summer. But I just 520 00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:05,759 found that really amusing. And that's what I'm saying, Stacy. 521 00:28:05,759 --> 00:28:08,240 I have hundreds and hundreds of those kinds of series 522 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:09,759 through the years. 523 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 2: Well, we are glad that you do. Now what we 524 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,480 got in the mailbag this week. 525 00:28:14,519 --> 00:28:15,079 Speaker 3: Deb Rights. 526 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,519 Speaker 1: I had my yard professionally landscaped a couple years ago. 527 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 3: Three now, I guess. 528 00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: And a lot of my plants are planted in rocks, 529 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,880 medium sized rocks. I keep losing plants. Is it because 530 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,160 they're planted in rocks? 531 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. One of the banes of my existence 532 00:28:31,319 --> 00:28:36,319 is a horticulture. So the answer for Deb and anyone 533 00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:40,680 else who is struggling with a similar situation, it's probably 534 00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:46,160 not the rocks. But nine times out of ten, probably 535 00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:49,519 nine point five times out of ten, landscape rocks like 536 00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:53,880 this are paired with soil separator, landscape fabric, weed barrier, 537 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,519 call it whatever you want. It is all bad news. 538 00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:00,680 And I don't know why the rocks and a landscape 539 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,599 separator always seem to go hand in hand. But what 540 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,359 happens is those even though those are well intentioned, you know, 541 00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:09,000 everyone thinks that they're doing a good thing and this 542 00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:12,000 is going to keep weeds down, they do not. What 543 00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:17,079 they do do, however, is they prevent oxygen from reaching 544 00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:19,519 the plant roots and from carbon dioxide from going out 545 00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:23,880 of the plant. Roots, and they create a really unfavorable environment, 546 00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:28,720 especially for sensitive plants. So I have seen so many plants, 547 00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:32,200 especially lilacs in panicle hydrangeas, which are two plants that 548 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,960 are quite sensitive to this situation. Many many plants killed 549 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,079 this way. So the solution, if you have the landscape 550 00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:42,079 fabric underneath, if you're planting into it for the first time, 551 00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:46,759 pull it well away from the plant. You know, I'm 552 00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:49,839 talking a good two foot circle around the plant, so 553 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:54,160 that there's plenty of open soil for the water and 554 00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:58,440 air to you know, exchange there. If you already have 555 00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:00,519 plants in there, I would just go ahead and cut 556 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:02,799 away even more. It doesn't hurt. 557 00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 3: Now. 558 00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:06,799 Speaker 2: The other thing, even aside from the soil separator landscape fabric, 559 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,680 you very often have rocks holding on to a lot 560 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:11,000 of heat. 561 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,279 Speaker 3: That's exactly it. 562 00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: They generate a lot of or they absorb heat and 563 00:30:16,519 --> 00:30:20,000 they reflect and it creates real problems for the plants. 564 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 3: Stacey. I've always called them riot rocks. 565 00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 2: Riot rocks, riot rocks. 566 00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:26,039 Speaker 3: You know, the riot rocks. 567 00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:30,119 Speaker 2: They're not much of a riot. And you know, no 568 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,640 one thinks about what happens when you're done with the rocks. 569 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,319 And then you've got to somehow wheelbarrow away whatever's left 570 00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:39,039 of the rocks. The rocks are in your lawn. It's 571 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,359 you know, there are certainly plants that can withstand it 572 00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:43,440 just fine. And you know, we've actually talked about doing 573 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,160 a gravel gardens segment in the future, which which we 574 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,279 will we shall probably do this summer. But you know, 575 00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:53,920 the landscape rocks as a kind of mulch can definitely 576 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,200 be problematic. There are plants that will have no issue 577 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,319 with it. So you can either change your planting to 578 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,920 have as that are going to be very tolerant of 579 00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:05,880 that intense heat, that are maybe potentially going to be 580 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,039 tolerant of some drainage issues if you have a lot 581 00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:11,160 of rain and there's that, you know, layer of soil 582 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,480 separator underneath. That's kind of a rough combination, but it 583 00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:21,039 is possible. But really remedying the whole situation favorably is 584 00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:23,279 going to be a very uphill battle. So you kind 585 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:25,960 of are going to have to work your way through 586 00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:29,960 a combination of proper planting choices that can withstand the 587 00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:35,599 conditions as well as again pulling away that separator, pulling 588 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,359 away the rock. And I have found that you know, 589 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,440 even if you're looking down on the landscape from your home, 590 00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:43,079 you're going to be able to see those big holes 591 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,920 when your landscape is viewed from the street. It doesn't 592 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,160 you know that foreshortening that you have doesn't really make 593 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,079 a different. So it's not like people are like, why 594 00:31:50,119 --> 00:31:51,920 is there a huge moat around that plant with no 595 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,279 rock around it? From the street going perspective, it will 596 00:31:55,279 --> 00:32:00,200 look pretty similar. So definitely keep those well away from 597 00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:04,160 the base of the plant, and you and the plants 598 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,440 will be happier. I know rocks seem like a low 599 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,640 maintenance choice. 600 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,519 Speaker 3: But they're not a low maintenance. 601 00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:14,359 Speaker 2: They are not a low Speaking of your fifty years 602 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,519 in the industry, aren't you glad that lava rock is 603 00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:17,519 barely a thing anymore? 604 00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: Oh, my neighbor just brought in a five yard load 605 00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:24,880 of lava rock no landscape. I said, why didn't you 606 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,519 ask me first before. 607 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 3: You ordered this? 608 00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:28,799 Speaker 2: I didn't even know it was still around enough to 609 00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:34,440 get five yards. All right, On that note, we are 610 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,559 going to take a little break and when we come back, 611 00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:40,200 we are continuing our conversation on vegetable gardening, So please 612 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:49,440 stay tuned. Thanks for listening to the Gardening Simplified podcast 613 00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:52,319 brought to you by Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs. Our 614 00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:55,359 award winning flowering shrubs and evergreens are trialed and tested 615 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,279 by experts with your success in mind. Learn more at 616 00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:01,759 Proven Winners color Choice dot com. 617 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,559 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show as we try 618 00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:09,319 to eat more plants and Stacy. My dad taught me 619 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,640 at a young age working in the vegetable garden with 620 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:18,400 him that planting depth, properly drained soil, organic matter, and 621 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,599 sunlight were the keys. And my dad is now ninety 622 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,039 six years old at a retirement village and he's very 623 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,319 picky about the vegetables that he eats. I find it 624 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,279 really interesting because edibles in the garden, vegetables you can 625 00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:40,480 steam them, roast them, microwave them, saute them. He wants 626 00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:44,240 them boiled, and he wants them boiled to the point 627 00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:48,200 where they boil the life out of those things. Otherwise 628 00:33:48,279 --> 00:33:50,880 he won't eat it. And I think it's just strange. 629 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,720 And I think back to that time, the fifties and sixties, 630 00:33:54,759 --> 00:33:59,880 the big thing was the invention of Lipton onion soup. Mit. 631 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, and everybody used that. 632 00:34:03,079 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: When there was a radio personality called Arthur Godfree, and 633 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,519 eventually they began to call it the Arthur Godfree dip. 634 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:18,360 But that revolutionized the way people enjoyed vegetables at that time. 635 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,079 And I just find it interesting that my dad wants 636 00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:22,000 them boiled. 637 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 3: Or he doesn't want them. 638 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:23,639 Speaker 2: Wow. 639 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,559 Speaker 3: So interesting. 640 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: Now using fish as fertilizer with our edibles, oh yeah, 641 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,960 or fish emulsion fertilizer. 642 00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 3: Have you used that? Oh? 643 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. 644 00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 3: How do you feel about that? 645 00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it is an excellent fertilizer source 646 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,840 if you want to stay away from quote unquote industrial 647 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,400 fertilizers that are made from minerals in that kind of thing. 648 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,679 It does stink to high heaven, So depending on your dog, 649 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,400 it may or may not be a great choice, but 650 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,920 it's immediately available nitrogen. It does cost a little bit more, 651 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,280 and yeah, mixing it up is not for the squeamish 652 00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:09,559 or weak stomached. But I do think it's an outstanding fertilizer, 653 00:35:09,559 --> 00:35:13,440 and I think, you know, fish fertilizer is much more 654 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,320 common and affordable in areas where there's a lot of fishing. 655 00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:19,039 So if you're on the West coast, if you're on 656 00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:20,920 the East coast, it's going to be very different than 657 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,760 if you are in say the middle of Michigan, where 658 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,400 there's not a lot of that, and it's all going 659 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,840 to have to be shipped in from somewhere else. But 660 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,599 I mean, I mean people used to bury fishbones around 661 00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:33,320 their plants and you know, that kind of thing. And 662 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,480 as long as you aren't gonna, you know, accidentally dig 663 00:35:35,519 --> 00:35:38,119 it up before it's time, that is perfectly fine. But 664 00:35:38,199 --> 00:35:42,000 I have used it before, and yeah, I'm absolutely a fan. 665 00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:44,199 If you want an organic fertilizer, yeah, so. 666 00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: I think composted manures or fish emulsion fertilizer make great 667 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,199 fertilizers for edible plants. If you think of the Native 668 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,239 Americans and the first settlers, you know, they taught them 669 00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:01,440 to use fish. Another important aspect of an edible landscape 670 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,079 or edible garden is that what you plant or try 671 00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:06,679 to grow has to make sense. 672 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,679 Speaker 3: For example, I love celery. 673 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: I love celery, but it doesn't make sense to me 674 00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:15,800 to try and grow it in the vegetable garden because 675 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,360 it's like one hundred and twenty to one hundred and 676 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,840 forty days to maturity. 677 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,199 Speaker 2: It's not the easiest crap to grow and it's crazy. 678 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,519 There was a day in American history where celery was 679 00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:28,559 the height of luxury, like exactly. You know, you can 680 00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:31,480 buy Victorian celery vases, like it was like the thing 681 00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:34,199 that you did to show everybody, like how wealthy you 682 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,320 were and how yeah that you serve them celery. And 683 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,400 now it's like almost like a punchline and it's so 684 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,320 inexpensive at the grocery store. But yeah, growing it is 685 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,239 not easy. Yeah, I'm actually growing some this year, but 686 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,519 I'm growing leaf celery, okay, So I'm not trying to 687 00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:50,119 get the big stock celery that you have at the 688 00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:54,000 gardens at the grocery store. It's more like a leafy 689 00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:57,440 fin stock for Chinese cooking and for soups and that 690 00:36:57,519 --> 00:36:58,840 kind of thing. So I'm exciting. 691 00:36:59,119 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 3: I like that. 692 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: You know, the bulk of the celery like we see 693 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,400 in stores is grown in California. You have to have 694 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,559 a coolish environment some areas in California because it takes 695 00:37:10,559 --> 00:37:13,119 so long to mature. I guess that's the whole point 696 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,639 for me. I love it in tuna fish, and I 697 00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:19,280 love peanut butter on celery sticks, and people use them 698 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,320 as stirs and bloody Marry ay's. 699 00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:23,159 Speaker 3: I think it's a fantastic plant. 700 00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 2: Have you ever grown lavage? 701 00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:26,079 Speaker 3: No? I have not. 702 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 2: All right, well, I'm starting lovage. See it's for Adriana 703 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,760 this year. And did you know that they say when 704 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,880 you have a mature lavage plant, it's a perennial that 705 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,719 tastes like celery. Once it gets bigger, stems are hollow 706 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,639 and you can use it as a straw for a 707 00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:46,840 bloody mary and it has that celery flavor. So it's 708 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,679 going to be a few years. Some my lavage plants 709 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,639 are at straw level, but I am growing lavage for 710 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,679 a select few bloody marry connoisseurs on staff here at Choice. 711 00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 3: I love that. 712 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,679 Speaker 1: That's great, you know, so you take those things into 713 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,960 consideration because I also believe some plants grow better in 714 00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:10,960 containers than in the ground. If you look, for example, 715 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,840 at flowering annuals like a calibri CoA much better in 716 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,880 a container than it is in the ground. And I 717 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,920 think the same applies to vegetable plants. Growing tomatoes in 718 00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:27,559 containers is huge fun, but you may want to steer 719 00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:32,719 towards a determinate or semi determinate tomato rather than an 720 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,639 indeterminate tomato unless you have an absolutely huge container. 721 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,199 Speaker 3: So my point here. 722 00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:44,559 Speaker 1: Is this, a vegetable that gives a continual harvest of 723 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,320 something to eat like peppers or tomatoes makes sense to 724 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,199 me in a container, but certainly not celery or our 725 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,239 good friend, the carrot really doesn't make sense in a container. 726 00:38:57,639 --> 00:38:59,679 Speaker 2: Not ornamental enough either. Now, of course, if you're an 727 00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:02,840 apartment and you love carrots, or you found a really 728 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,400 cool carrot and that's your only way to grow it, 729 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,920 by all means, do that. But I agree, when we 730 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,800 are looking at containers, we should be thinking of plants 731 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,800 that are going to give us a better harvest and 732 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,119 have significant ornamental appeal. And you know, I said earlier 733 00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:18,400 that I went a little bonkers on the seed purchasing 734 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,239 this year. I bought everything from Adaptive Seeds out in Oregon, 735 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,960 and their selection was just insane. There's so many cool 736 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,559 things that I've never seen. So I could not hold 737 00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:30,599 myself back to the point where this year, probably like 738 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,880 ninety percent of my containers are going to have to 739 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,719 be hot peppers, because really I bought so many, but 740 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,440 I think they're beautiful enough to merit that. I mean, 741 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,719 because they're so colorful. You know, I'm not just buying 742 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,199 like jalapenos, which same like the cellary, like, you can 743 00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:46,000 grow jlapenos, and it is very nice to have an 744 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,800 abundant supply of jalapenos in your backyard, but you might 745 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,719 want to use that space for something a little more interesting. 746 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,880 So I have really cool hot peppers from all over 747 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:58,440 the world pink, I mean red, orange, yellow, chocolate, purple 748 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,400 color and I'm super excited to see what this is 749 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:02,119 all gonna look like. 750 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,280 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought this up because I think this 751 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,000 is important. You know, last year you shared some peppers 752 00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:07,360 with me. 753 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,559 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the habanadas. 754 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the. 755 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 1: Color in that orange was gorgeous. And it helps put 756 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,039 an exclamation point on what we're trying to say today, 757 00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:20,079 and that is we all should eat more plants. But boy, 758 00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:22,239 aesthetically they are incredibly pleasing. 759 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 2: They are. And you know, I'm glad that you kind 760 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,280 of made that connection to you because for me, you know, 761 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,119 it was a big moment in my personal journey to 762 00:40:32,159 --> 00:40:36,920 grow my own tomatoes and see them get cat faced, 763 00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:39,320 to see them get crashed, and to say there is 764 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,760 no way I am not eating this beautiful tomato I 765 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,320 know where this has been and that really changed the 766 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,400 way that I look at food at the farmer's market 767 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,320 and at the grocery store as well, because it is 768 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,880 a challenge to grow food. If food is too uniform 769 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,760 and two perfect chances are you've given up something in flavor. 770 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,280 So I think it really helps to increase our tolerance 771 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,599 for quote unquote less than perfect produce, which is important 772 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:03,840 for food waste and everything. 773 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to be interested to see and I'm sure 774 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,039 our listeners and viewers also the development of your pepper 775 00:41:11,079 --> 00:41:14,679 plantings this year, because you've really gotten me excited about 776 00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:19,360 that and growing peppers for the esthetic value of it. 777 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,159 It's it's a pretty neat thing. Another plant that we 778 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,800 could grow in that way, and it's a perennial, and 779 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,559 that would be rhubarb. 780 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:31,280 Speaker 3: Now, rhubarb is the term rhubarb. 781 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: Is tied into a New York sports writer or a 782 00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:39,000 broadcaster in the nineteen thirties who coined the phrase that 783 00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:42,400 a fight or fisticuffs or a. 784 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 3: Brew haha would be called a rhubarb. 785 00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:49,119 Speaker 2: What. Yeah, it wasn't called before that? 786 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,039 Speaker 3: No? What was no? No? 787 00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 1: No, the plant was called I'm saying a fight an 788 00:41:57,039 --> 00:42:03,679 altercation was called a rhuburb gotcha, but what a great 789 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:08,039 ornamental perennial plant. Many people referred to it as pie plant, 790 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:14,880 and Rhubarb's popularity grew to a peak before World War Two. 791 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,239 But a lot of people feel because of sugar rationing, 792 00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:25,880 that its culinary use dropped dramatically during and after the war. 793 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,079 So that phrase came along before World Working. 794 00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 2: I was real confused. I was like, were they using 795 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,199 the botanical name or. 796 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:36,119 Speaker 3: Now? 797 00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:38,360 Speaker 1: Of course, if we're talking about edible plants, and we 798 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,599 mentioned it in the first segment, I mentioned how much 799 00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:46,960 I love oregano and chives, but Stacey herbs are one 800 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,599 of those plants that, in my opinion, are perfectly suited 801 00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:54,440 to grow in containers. 802 00:42:54,679 --> 00:42:57,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely. I grow herbs everywhere I can because I love them. 803 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,519 I grow all my basilin containers because I don't want 804 00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:02,559 to have to unlatch my vegetable garden and get in 805 00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:06,079 there into the enclosure the compound, my little compound to 806 00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:08,440 pick that basil. And it's deer resistant. And how lucky 807 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,440 are we that the deer never touched basil? 808 00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 3: That's exactly it. So it's beautiful, yeah, exactly. 809 00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:19,559 Speaker 1: So have some fun out there enjoying edible plants, eat 810 00:43:19,679 --> 00:43:23,920 more plants, and enjoy the esthetic value of. 811 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,760 Speaker 3: Those plants in your landscape. Stacy, this has been fun. 812 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,599 Speaker 2: Thanks been super fun. I am ready to get out 813 00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:29,280 in the vegetable garden. 814 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,199 Speaker 3: I don't know about you, me too ready to go. 815 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 1: Thank you, Adriana, and thanks most of all to all 816 00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:38,119 of you who tune us in on YouTube every week, 817 00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:41,400 or tune in the radio version of our show, or 818 00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:44,719 look for our podcast. Have yourself a gray week.