Speaker 1: Making children disappear as the war we wage with God
Speaker 1: makes people lose their faith, turns them into demons. Like
Speaker 1: you had to slow down since my husband disappeared. I
Speaker 1: do what I can, stuck the car.
Speaker 2: I'm getting very schizophrenic covering this stuff lately.
Speaker 3: But we're about to dive.
Speaker 2: Deep into the ideology of nine A and I had
Speaker 2: just the man.
Speaker 4: On for it.
Speaker 5: I wrote my first book in twenty ten about Alistair Crowley.
Speaker 5: Then I followed up with a true prime book about
Speaker 5: the West, Memphis three. And then my fourth book was
Speaker 5: this one that we're talking about global death called I
Speaker 5: published that in twenty twenty one. Hey, out there in
Speaker 5: the code, getting lonely, getting old?
Speaker 2: Can you feel me?
Speaker 4: Why is that got me again?
Speaker 5: I guess my point is, you know, these are idiot
Speaker 5: ologies that people act upon. They have a philosophy, they
Speaker 5: have a practice of practice.
Speaker 3: Hey, you don't help them to buried life.
Speaker 4: Don't get in.
Speaker 1: Without a fight.
Speaker 5: And nine was really set apart from these other kind
Speaker 5: of strains of occult modern strains of occultism like the
Speaker 5: Oto Church of Satan, Temple of Set.
Speaker 4: Hey against the wall, when you force someone to.
Speaker 5: Call out, could you touch me.
Speaker 2: Hey, you would you help me to carry this stone?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Good, your heart, I'm coming hard. Hello.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Noway Jose podcast. This is your host,
Speaker 2: Jose Galison. Today I will be joined by Doc Inferno.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be talking about nine A seven six four.
Speaker 2: It's been a while since we've talked about this, aside
Speaker 2: from just in passing on the show, so I figured
Speaker 2: it was a good time to, uh, you know, rehash
Speaker 2: some of this these concepts since I do think they
Speaker 2: may be coming to the four with some late late
Speaker 2: late things going on.
Speaker 3: But with that is going at Doc in here. Hey, Doc,
Speaker 3: how are.
Speaker 4: You good to be here? Are you doing doing all right? Well?
Speaker 2: Sniffle all of a sudden, sorry, and so I'll try
Speaker 2: to mute not be gross, but I might be a
Speaker 2: little bit nasally so. But Doc, it's a pleasure to
Speaker 2: have you. This is the first time we're having you
Speaker 2: on the show. If you could, maybe for my audience,
Speaker 2: just take a moment to introduce yourself. Let them know
Speaker 2: anything pertinent that that would interest them. I mean, I
Speaker 2: know we were talking about other podcasts you've been on
Speaker 2: like that. We're interest cross and you're talking about you
Speaker 2: going JJ Vance's show. Quite a bet he's a friend
Speaker 2: of the show. But just yeah, what it is you do?
Speaker 2: What is you're interested in? The things of the like.
Speaker 4: Okay, my name is Doc and Doc Inferno, and I
Speaker 4: host a show which covers apocalypticism, parapolitics and all its
Speaker 4: consequences on the modern world. And basically I research edgy
Speaker 4: internet culture, and I also research apocalypticism and acceleration and
Speaker 4: extremism and how it affects our society and its developments
Speaker 4: from that, all forms of kind of occultism, all forms
Speaker 4: of cult milieu, and all assorted trappings of that. I've
Speaker 4: just gotten recently into kind of looking at sort of
Speaker 4: the psychological underpinnings of a lot of these types of
Speaker 4: activity online. And I think, honestly, there's a lot of overlap,
Speaker 4: believe it or not, with stuff like the human potential
Speaker 4: movement and some of the other stuff that you guys
Speaker 4: talk about on a regular basis, like the process and
Speaker 4: a lot of those other things. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: overlap from what I've discovered.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it does seem like the more you look,
Speaker 2: the more everything's connected. You did come to me kind
Speaker 2: of want to talk on nine A seven six four,
Speaker 2: I think maybe a good place to start. I don't
Speaker 2: know if this is perfectly up your wheelhouse, but perhaps
Speaker 2: if you could, you know, regale my audience and kind
Speaker 2: of the formation of O nine A, maybe that might
Speaker 2: be a good place to start. We could always go
Speaker 2: the other way around and start from seven to six
Speaker 2: four and work our way back. But I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: I think the especially with some of the happenings going on,
Speaker 2: I mean, the show right now we're doing is probably
Speaker 2: gonna get paid well released a couple weeks later, but
Speaker 2: I still feel like it'll probably be a huge paradigm
Speaker 2: shifting moment in the front of people's head. We just
Speaker 2: had the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and obviously I'm not
Speaker 2: saying we don't know what at this point was going out. No,
Speaker 2: if it's O nine A seven sixty four, between all
Speaker 2: the shootings and stuff, O nine A is does have
Speaker 2: seemingly has connections to Gladio, and it seems like a
Speaker 2: lot of people have made connections to years of lead
Speaker 2: and kind of that we're approaching these times, So it's
Speaker 2: only fitting that just kind of start there and then
Speaker 2: obviously then to kind of bring you know, it will
Speaker 2: work forward to seven sixty four, which is kind of well,
Speaker 2: maybe it's not a perfect uh you know one for
Speaker 2: one of what we think of when we think of Gladio,
Speaker 2: but to some extent, it's kind of a newer version
Speaker 2: of it. We're kind of simultaneously getting the uh we're
Speaker 2: simultaneously getting the modern day version and also like somewhat
Speaker 2: of the old school at the same time, like we're
Speaker 2: getting ah, you know, multiple like when multiple versions of
Speaker 2: humans were coexisting amongst each other type thing we have.
Speaker 2: We have is evolved and the and the different species
Speaker 2: are now living amongst each other.
Speaker 3: That's what we're dealing with.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would I would call it like it's a
Speaker 4: digital Gladio. But let me start out with nine A.
Speaker 4: For anybody that's been living under rock practically dough. Nine
Speaker 4: A is what I would call basically an accelerationist philosophy
Speaker 4: that combines hermeticism sort of other far right ideologies. It
Speaker 4: also deals with stuff like Spangler and even a little
Speaker 4: bit of hy hydegarian kind of philosophy as well. As
Speaker 4: there's different forms of nine A culture. There's the Ruitha culture,
Speaker 4: which deals with kind of the rule British culture that
Speaker 4: Mayat weaved in, and Maya of course took a lot
Speaker 4: of these things from various different formats, everything from Crawley
Speaker 4: to Spangler to Hydegarian philosophy to chaos magic. So basically
Speaker 4: it's just, in my opinion, a watered down version of
Speaker 4: Arabian kind of hermeticism and planetary matt that deals with
Speaker 4: the septenary system, which is the seven forms, which is
Speaker 4: just you know, in stuff like the Pika Trix and
Speaker 4: the Shams el Arif and all these various different texts
Speaker 4: and its whole. It also functions in a way as
Speaker 4: a decentralized kind of spy network, which is I think
Speaker 4: was intentional, probably because as you mentioned previously, Mayat of
Speaker 4: course was in column eighty eight. He had experience with that,
Speaker 4: and he also had experience with people like Colin Jordan
Speaker 4: and a lot of the National Socialist networks as well
Speaker 4: as Combat eighteen. So that's like kind of in a
Speaker 4: nutshell what ninety is kind of about, if you know
Speaker 4: their their motivation also is to open up these type
Speaker 4: of portals or these like stargates to bring about intergalactic
Speaker 4: Laban's realm through this thing called the star game and
Speaker 4: through sideway basically side real time, and to do accelerate
Speaker 4: through evil acts and evil deeds. And it doesn't matter
Speaker 4: if it comes from the far left to the far right. Fundamentally,
Speaker 4: it's like entropy. It works like an anthropic system where
Speaker 4: it just builds up and sort of as a catalyst
Speaker 4: to all this negative energy as opposed to some of
Speaker 4: the dark gods and just open up the portals and
Speaker 4: supposedly bring about the destruction of what they call the
Speaker 4: Maigian order, which is Judeo Christian order, which they think
Speaker 4: is degenerate and also is in the Nietzschean sense, is
Speaker 4: weak and cowardly.
Speaker 2: All right, now, with Maya, I know with he is
Speaker 2: known for being as I guess the traces of the
Speaker 2: world would call a fabulist.
Speaker 3: He is a serial fabulist.
Speaker 2: Now, I do believe, if I recall correctly, some of
Speaker 2: the things of his legend have been confirmed.
Speaker 3: I believe the column eighty eight stuff.
Speaker 2: But I guess I kind of just ask you with
Speaker 2: his legend, I kind of what what do you take
Speaker 2: seriously of his backstory?
Speaker 3: H What don't you? I know there's a lot of
Speaker 3: lore that goes along with him.
Speaker 2: I mean, hell, use even some of the stuff he
Speaker 2: just listed just now was like of the you know,
Speaker 2: the different occult stuff that he stole from this and
Speaker 2: that it gets pretty I mean, he hell myight himself
Speaker 2: is kind of an enigma, I know, the one, you know,
Speaker 2: thing that people seem to grapple with when they start
Speaker 2: digging into O nine A is like is O nine
Speaker 2: eight even a thing? Because once you start getting deep
Speaker 2: into it enough, you start going, is it just like
Speaker 2: a couple people, you know, pretending to be multiple people
Speaker 2: pretending to do this, who's also pretending to do that?
Speaker 2: You just get lost in the enigma of it all
Speaker 2: to the point where you kind of questioned whether it's
Speaker 2: real or not. And it is kind of a weird
Speaker 2: enapsolation of what Intel, I guess kind of is. I mean,
Speaker 2: how often do we hear of Intel assets that you
Speaker 2: know they were, you know, making all these crazy claims
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, some some of it might be true,
Speaker 2: some may not, and some you know later they find
Speaker 2: out later like oh yeah, he actually was a CIA
Speaker 2: ass that, uh but yeah, but also some of it
Speaker 2: is made up. I think this is kind of a
Speaker 2: somewhat somewhat the game of being in a a you know,
Speaker 2: a person of espionage, But I guess just what are you?
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts is?
Speaker 2: Do you give credence to the Gladio connections of nine
Speaker 2: A or is this the ravings of a madman?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean it definitely is contemporary with like stuff
Speaker 4: as you mentioned the years of lead, and with a
Speaker 4: lot of stuff with Franco Freda and some of the
Speaker 4: Italian accelerations we're doing. And what's interesting even about that
Speaker 4: is there was actually a far right Italian sect of
Speaker 4: people that were into esoteric Hitlerism, and so that kind
Speaker 4: of leads credence to a lot of what Mayat is
Speaker 4: talking about and these occulted networks that stretched from Italy
Speaker 4: into the UK's it's very plausible for it for that
Speaker 4: to take it consideration. And also another factor that's very
Speaker 4: plausible is that utionary groups are very much intertwined with
Speaker 4: neo Nazi groups and Combat eighteen and paramilitary groups are
Speaker 4: recruited from football hooligans, So it does make sense that
Speaker 4: they would court a lot of these people. And you
Speaker 4: kind of also see this method with Believe it or
Speaker 4: Not with seven sixty four and a lot of these
Speaker 4: troll armies are forming, only with a different format. They've
Speaker 4: exchanged football holigans for a whole new genre of you know,
Speaker 4: sociopathic and unhinged people that they can farm and allocate
Speaker 4: as possible. So I know that doesn't really answer the questions.
Speaker 4: And Plus Mayad also typically in his own autobiography, I
Speaker 4: think My Weird Full Life, I can't pronounce I'll be
Speaker 4: honest with you, I can't pronounce the name that he
Speaker 4: entitled it. But in My Weird Full Life he talks
Speaker 4: about being also like a son of a diplomat. Typically
Speaker 4: sons and daughters of diplomat are kind of groomed for intelligence.
Speaker 4: And so that's where I think, you know Mayat probably
Speaker 4: from a very early age. And plus he has quite
Speaker 4: believe it or not, Maya, unlike Sutter, actually has a
Speaker 4: classical education. He actually seems to have sort of like
Speaker 4: a flare for performative arts, which is also another indication
Speaker 4: of a gate kit or like someone that has been
Speaker 4: selected for these types of services. So I'm inclined to
Speaker 4: believe Mayat is not lying. Due to his father's involvement
Speaker 4: with Indonesia and with China and with the Far East
Speaker 4: and with Africa in Eastern Africa, you know, which was
Speaker 4: a colonial I believe a colony of the UK. I'm
Speaker 4: inclined to believe that Mayatt is not lying. And also
Speaker 4: the proximity I would say to mercenary groups and soldier
Speaker 4: of fortunes groups which believe it or not, are very
Speaker 4: much interlinked with neo Nazi groups in also with various
Speaker 4: different you know, other groups that have sort of been
Speaker 4: fun into I would say, white extremist circles. So I'm
Speaker 4: not surprised and I lend credence to that with a
Speaker 4: little bit of trepidation. But I think the more you
Speaker 4: dig into MIAs fast you're going to discover, the more
Speaker 4: it sort of glows. Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just because he lies about some stuff doesn't
Speaker 2: mean it's all fake. If anything, that's kind of the point.
Speaker 2: It's going to make a question what the hell the
Speaker 2: reality of the situation is there? You did mention Setter,
Speaker 2: this is an important person that does come up in this.
Speaker 2: Although he's never neither nine A nor seven six y four,
Speaker 2: I know what he's he was the Temple of Blood guy.
Speaker 2: But I believe there's kind of a connection. I believe, yes,
Speaker 2: Temple of Blood was considered some sort of offshoot off
Speaker 2: of O nine.
Speaker 3: I forget what they call them.
Speaker 2: What is the the offs They have a specific term
Speaker 2: for the offshoots. But I'll pass it off to you
Speaker 2: to just kind of because in the sense it's kind
Speaker 2: of I think is part of the lore of all
Speaker 2: this annexium or whatever. Yeah, yeah, so, but yeah, go
Speaker 2: go ahead and let the let audience don't just kind
Speaker 2: of remind him what Temple of Blood is. And I
Speaker 2: guess I think obviously the significant of you mentioned glowing.
Speaker 2: I mean obviously, so Sutter that is. That's where like
Speaker 2: for those who go like, okay, well, like, why why
Speaker 2: are you telling me about this, It's like, well, like
Speaker 2: I would think you wouldn't like the government paying for
Speaker 2: this sort of shit, because that's what's happening right here.
Speaker 3: So but yeah, go ahead and take it away.
Speaker 4: Well, to be fair, I think the government got Sutter
Speaker 4: at kind of a bargain price. It was only ten
Speaker 4: thousand dollars per a year. But still I'm I agree
Speaker 4: with you. I don't like the fact that you know,
Speaker 4: the tax dollars go to an entity that is definitely
Speaker 4: connected to a lot of these but I'm sure it
Speaker 4: has paid off in dividends. I'm very sure that they've
Speaker 4: used Sutter for and they're still continuing to use him
Speaker 4: as evidence by the I Ain't Nomad and the Castle.
Speaker 2: I just don't trust them to use these people judiciously
Speaker 2: or benevolently.
Speaker 3: That's my consign Yeah.
Speaker 4: I agree, I would agree. So basically Sutter is his
Speaker 4: father was I believe a Christian I dentist minister. He
Speaker 4: was in the League of the South.
Speaker 3: Of course he was, of course both counts, so Soutter.
Speaker 4: Basically, I think there was a after uh, you know,
Speaker 4: Pastor Butler died from the you know, the Area Nations.
Speaker 4: What happened was is there was kind of a skill.
Speaker 2: Real quick, before you move on, I don't want to
Speaker 2: did you ever watch my Gletti interview because you would
Speaker 2: actually probably get get interested out of this. Actually yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: I just want to mention because I remembered as you met,
Speaker 2: you're saying that Gletti had a tale that he fucking
Speaker 2: uh he said that like he he said, uh was
Speaker 2: I I forget the specific one as obviously, go check
Speaker 2: out the episode to see exactly what happened, but he
Speaker 2: claimed doing some satanic something or other with I believe
Speaker 2: Sutter's dad.
Speaker 3: I believe if I recall.
Speaker 6: Correct, that's probably true. I'll have to go back and
Speaker 6: watch it. But anyway, sorry, don't want to throw that off,
Speaker 6: but I was like, I had to mention that now
Speaker 6: because it's significant. If you're like trying to have what
Speaker 6: do we give the story Glettie is you know, another asset,
Speaker 6: So it's like another another connecting point here, but go ahead.
Speaker 6: So and for those who want to go check that out,
Speaker 6: I did an interview with Glettie.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: I think it's one of those ones that like people
Speaker 2: don't realize what a big deal the interview was. So
Speaker 2: it's a that dude did some groundbreaking fed stuff that
Speaker 2: they're not supposed to do, but go ahead.
Speaker 4: No, Basically, what would happen is is Sutter was in
Speaker 4: charge of the Aryan Nation's internet services, and this is
Speaker 4: where Mayat made connections, I believe, because Maya would go
Speaker 4: on Stormfront under the name Dark Logos. He also went
Speaker 4: on the Area Nation I believe website as well under
Speaker 4: Dark Logos. So this is around two thousand and five
Speaker 4: and Sutter was under a Norse name wolf rum Hall
Speaker 4: was the name of him, and so this connection sort
Speaker 4: of like was sealed back in two thousand and five
Speaker 4: and probably goes back further sometime in the nineties when
Speaker 4: Sutter and may Ant sort of make this connection. So
Speaker 4: what happened was, I suppose Mayat wanted something a little
Speaker 4: bit more edgy, more sinister, or maybe Sutter wanted something
Speaker 4: a little bit more edgy or sinister than just watered
Speaker 4: down hermeticism and Arabian astromagic.
Speaker 2: Tail is all as time these satanic circles. You're just
Speaker 2: not edgy enough, I'm gonna break off and grabe another group.
Speaker 2: There's totally not This wasn't like a concerted effort to
Speaker 2: break off, but gone, yeah.
Speaker 4: No, I suppose like they had a meeting of the
Speaker 4: minds or whatever you want to call it, and Sutter decided,
Speaker 4: And I'm not sure like how affront Sutter was to
Speaker 4: Maat about the breakup of the next on or like
Speaker 4: that he was going to integrate a bunch of weird
Speaker 4: let's just say, weird pedophilic stuff like iron gates or
Speaker 4: some of the Detroe stuff and some of the other things.
Speaker 4: I mean, Mayat's let's just say, I think a lot
Speaker 4: of times people are interjecting the stuff to type of
Speaker 4: b edge lords. So it's it's hard to gauge. I mean,
Speaker 4: in many cases it's still it's it's definitely wrong. And
Speaker 4: uh I don't endorse it, by the way, though I
Speaker 4: research it, I don't endorse that kind of stuff. But
Speaker 4: uh so I think you know, he was pushing it
Speaker 4: in the direction of, let's make O nine a more sinister,
Speaker 4: you know, let's add more elements of blood magic. Let's
Speaker 4: add more like sort of sinister elements serial killers to
Speaker 4: trow Let's also riff off the whole entire Let's let's
Speaker 4: not deny our Gladio links, let's embrace it fully, which,
Speaker 4: by the way, Gladio doesn't actually work like that to
Speaker 4: a lot of people. You don't actually announce your Gladio
Speaker 4: or announce that your Angleton Press, because that was the
Speaker 4: name of like the press that he first started. So
Speaker 4: I think he like incorporated the de trou stuff, incorporated
Speaker 4: all of the sort of you know, mother of Darkness, Castle,
Speaker 4: the whole conspiracy around you know what you've read in
Speaker 4: like David Gallon's book, the first chapter in Pedocracy, he
Speaker 4: incorporated all that stuff into you know, the Temple of
Speaker 4: Blood and wrote a dystopic novel called Iron Gates, which
Speaker 4: which he wanted, Like I said, he wanted the dread,
Speaker 4: he wanted the blood, and he wanted it to be
Speaker 4: more edgy than nine A, which practically, I mean, it's bad.
Speaker 4: It It does have stuff like calling, it does have
Speaker 4: some other like you know, bad stuff, but it's practically
Speaker 4: just chaos magic mixed with her meticism, with a little
Speaker 4: bit of Arabian uh, you know, astromagic and planetary magic
Speaker 4: such as the Sectenary system. It's it's not good per se,
Speaker 4: but it's not as bad, let's just say as Temple
Speaker 4: of Blood. His Temple of Blood is just balls to
Speaker 4: the wall kind of fanatical and extremism. And so I think,
Speaker 4: you know, Sutter wanted to accelerate even more than Mayat
Speaker 4: wanted to accelerate against what he I guess called the
Speaker 4: Meijian world and U Another thing I think he added
Speaker 4: to it was the vampirism. That was another thing, even
Speaker 4: though that was not original. The Church of Satan had
Speaker 4: the whole cult of the vampire, but they sort of
Speaker 4: extended it further as being like this psychic vampire, which,
Speaker 4: by the way, they burned from a German guy named
Speaker 4: George Virick where they came up with like this this
Speaker 4: whole thing the Drekians or the Vampire Order. So he
Speaker 4: incorporated a lot of that stuff. So that was sort
Speaker 4: of the difference between Sutter and Mayan. He kind of
Speaker 4: owned that he was a snitch and that he was
Speaker 4: like an informant, and he was you know, he was
Speaker 4: like he was in your face. Which, by the way,
Speaker 4: I want to explain to the audience that may not
Speaker 4: know why Sutter snitched, there is actually a reason why
Speaker 4: he snitched is because there was a guy named Scott
Speaker 4: Thornton and there was like another guy called Morris Gulett
Speaker 4: who was a CI minister that was affiliated with the
Speaker 4: Arian Nation, and so Sutter wanted to burn them and
Speaker 4: that's partially why. And they they're alleged to have set
Speaker 4: him up for a gun charge. That's kind of the
Speaker 4: reason why, you know, he went on a bender and
Speaker 4: just basically said, you know, fuck the Arian Nation, fuck
Speaker 4: all this stuff, and let's just inforum on like people.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm just saying that's kind of his rationale
Speaker 4: y logifying it. And also I think he's an egoist
Speaker 4: kind of Satanist. Perhaps that is like perhaps like sort
Speaker 4: of his logic.
Speaker 3: Okay, I thought you were trying to build to some
Speaker 3: sort of actual reason, Like I guess that is the
Speaker 3: reason his reason, that's it. I thought you were gonna
Speaker 3: be like ahead of on this or like something of like. Okay.
Speaker 2: I was like that you were building towards Okay. I
Speaker 2: could sympathize with that somewhat. And but nope, not at all.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: And I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you some
Speaker 4: of the things people leave out when they're talking about
Speaker 4: Sutter is that I suppose there was a reason why
Speaker 4: he you know, in forum for the FBI. I mean,
Speaker 4: if if I was involved with certain kind of thing,
Speaker 4: I don't think I would, but I think I would
Speaker 4: just leave, you know, I would just leave the uh
Speaker 4: what the movement if I was a part of it.
Speaker 4: But uh, he felt like it was necessary to burn Gulay,
Speaker 4: Morris Gulette and Scott Thornton.
Speaker 2: So yeah, uh did you find uh the breakup or
Speaker 2: the or the the move to I guess say, well,
Speaker 2: I guess there was never really a breakup.
Speaker 3: I guess he was little.
Speaker 2: He seems like he kind of co opted on nine
Speaker 2: A because in my head, I kind of and you
Speaker 2: kind of created a very much a. It reminded me
Speaker 2: of the Church of Saintanto, the Temple of set Jump,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of like you're not edgy enough.
Speaker 3: And then we then we leaved.
Speaker 2: But I guess in this case, Sutter did kind of
Speaker 2: seemingly co opt it. So now we have this dynamic
Speaker 2: where you always see it seems like the Mayats, the
Speaker 2: Maya always wants to blame all the negative aspects of O.
Speaker 2: Nine A on Uh Sutter, Uh, what are your thoughts
Speaker 2: on that it can because it does seem to be
Speaker 2: It almost seems to be this weird game that's played
Speaker 2: out to where they can kind of easily avoid any
Speaker 2: responsibility for anything. So I know, what are your thoughts.
Speaker 2: Is Sutter really legitimately responsible for this or is this
Speaker 2: just some sort of blame games nonsense of some sort.
Speaker 4: Now this is like a very thorny subject, and I
Speaker 4: try to be as even though I don't like the
Speaker 4: nine and I don't like the tob I try to
Speaker 4: be as objective as possible when doing research. From what
Speaker 4: I've seen, Mayat sort of moved in the direction also,
Speaker 4: and he met I think with someone named Chloe or Tega,
Speaker 4: they have like these notes and these meetings together to
Speaker 4: where they correspond with each other and saying that you know,
Speaker 4: we need to make you know then I more more
Speaker 4: sinister or more edgy, because like people are not taking
Speaker 4: us seriously. We're sort of like a laughingstock, sort of
Speaker 4: like they consider Church of Satan or the I think
Speaker 4: what is the Satanic temple? Uh? And so like there
Speaker 4: is allegedly I don't know for sure, I have to
Speaker 4: but I think there is like emails that have been
Speaker 4: leaked between Chloe Ortega and Mayat that do talk about
Speaker 4: making it more edgy. Now there is, of course within
Speaker 4: nine a stuff that is edgy, like the offer such
Speaker 4: as the call and tech the calling text where they
Speaker 4: talk about calling people what they consider offers, which I
Speaker 4: think is German for offering. So that did exist. I'm
Speaker 4: not aware of anything that reportedly is attached to that
Speaker 4: prior to kind of its American iteration. I wouldn't doubt
Speaker 4: if there was in the seventies. I mean, forensics wasn't
Speaker 4: very good, you know, back then, So I mean, I'm
Speaker 4: sure there's probably some incidents of that occurring, maybe on
Speaker 4: the British Isles where someone lashed onto it. There certainly
Speaker 4: is that. By the way, in the years of lead,
Speaker 4: there definitely is sacrifices in occultic sacrifices by actual esoteric
Speaker 4: Nazis that go around and kill pre east and homosexuals
Speaker 4: and you know, and various types of people they consider undesirables.
Speaker 4: And there definitely is that undercurrent, I would say, of
Speaker 4: where it's will to power and destroy people that you
Speaker 4: consider kind of to be worthless or demean them to
Speaker 4: a certain extent. But it's not as pronounced I would say,
Speaker 4: as in tob But you know, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 4: I think the jury is still out on that, and
Speaker 4: Mayad is not necessarily transparent about the past or about
Speaker 4: one of his transgressions. Before you move on, I want
Speaker 4: to mention something that's kind of interesting and probably unrelated,
Speaker 4: but I think during the seventies I six actually initiated
Speaker 4: a Satanic panic utilizing the Protestants against the Catholic population
Speaker 4: there where they would I believe, light black candles and
Speaker 4: throw cadavers into churches to freak out the local people
Speaker 4: during the troubles in the early seventies. So that kind
Speaker 4: of coincides with you know, Mayaan and a lot of
Speaker 4: his machinations, not necessarily related, but interesting to note. Like
Speaker 4: I said, there's a cult undercurrent with the years it
Speaker 4: led to. Uh maybe I'll talk about that some other time,
Speaker 4: but yeah, I mean, it's definitely there and it does
Speaker 4: need to be a sustilet for people to find it.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 2: On the culling side of things, I've had It was
Speaker 2: actually funny. It wasn't too long ago. I actually had
Speaker 2: someone in my comments kind of debating on what it is.
Speaker 2: And now I'll be honest, I have not you referred
Speaker 2: to me, I think as a researcher at one point.
Speaker 2: Maybe in some aspects, maybe in like okay see stuff,
Speaker 2: but in most of these things, I'm a podcaster. I
Speaker 2: have a cursory understanding of this stuff now. So I
Speaker 2: haven't read many of the or really any of the
Speaker 2: primary documents of any of this stuff, or or the
Speaker 2: the you know, the source material or whatever. I just
Speaker 2: kind of take it from people like you, William Ramsey,
Speaker 2: b X. All the different people kind of conglomerate the
Speaker 2: different stuff, and you know, sometimes we'll get to the
Speaker 2: root of certain specific things. But you know, this is
Speaker 2: such a huge rabbit hole that I just don't have
Speaker 2: time to become an expert on this along with everything
Speaker 2: else probably as well, yes, exactly, but when it comes
Speaker 2: to culling, you know it is, I have found there
Speaker 2: was someone who you want in my comments recently was
Speaker 2: kind of seemingly downplaying the concept, acting like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: I don't know if they're even they're implying that maybe
Speaker 2: it doesn't even necessarily mean a killing and then you
Speaker 2: don't have to do that to advance or whatever. I
Speaker 2: don't know, but I guess just kind of what is
Speaker 2: your take on it? I mean, I think it's intentionally
Speaker 2: probably seemingly a little bit ambiguous as to what it is.
Speaker 2: But it seems to me, like I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe when I've heard other people talk about maybe they're
Speaker 2: exaggerating a little bit, but it seems to me implying
Speaker 2: a sacrifice of sorts. Interestingly enough, I think there are
Speaker 2: notes of what seems to imply perhaps you know, by
Speaker 2: means of water, which and a lot of people then
Speaker 2: go into like smiley faced killers and kind of thing
Speaker 2: you make those connections. So and then also I do
Speaker 2: find it interesting that from my understanding of the belief
Speaker 2: system is that essentially, the forward facing propaganda all ends
Speaker 2: until you've committed a calling essentially, and then you essentially
Speaker 2: go to some other level to where you're somehow receiving
Speaker 2: information some other way. So which kind of makes sense
Speaker 2: if you are you know what culling is. It's supposed
Speaker 2: to be the perfect crime of sorts, So if you're
Speaker 2: able to get away, I mean, it makes sense that
Speaker 2: people would be able to look for it and identify
Speaker 2: when it happened. Those who are looking for it, and
Speaker 2: you know, they're probably ways to contact each other. They know,
Speaker 2: oh that's probably so, and so they probably might even
Speaker 2: help you. It would make sense for an initiation process
Speaker 2: into something much darker, like, I don't know, some sort
Speaker 2: of weird gladio something or other. So just kind of
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on the culling is it? Is
Speaker 2: it a what if you're reading into it, is it
Speaker 2: seem like exactly what I'm implying it is?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean it's kind of hard to measure, you know,
Speaker 4: stuff like occultic killings, because a lot of times occultic
Speaker 4: killings people that look into it don't exactly know what
Speaker 4: I would say to look for and a lot of
Speaker 4: occultists are supposed to be quiet about their occultism. That's
Speaker 4: kind of one of the rules of occultism. And supposedly
Speaker 4: also oh nine A, even though they're very vocal on
Speaker 4: the internet, are you know, not really supposed to you know,
Speaker 4: announce their insight role or announce their callings. But I
Speaker 4: would if you know, if these things theoretically do exist,
Speaker 4: I would say it would kind of you know, and
Speaker 4: you mentioned the water, which is interesting. I believe that's
Speaker 4: also kind of a Masonic punishment, you know, or some
Speaker 4: kind of secret society punishment for a lot of people.
Speaker 4: But theoretically, according to Mayat from what I've read, is
Speaker 4: that it's supposed to be someone that is like sort
Speaker 4: of an un desirable type of person that you would
Speaker 4: consider part of the Magian order. There probably would be politicians.
Speaker 4: It would probably be I would say, kind of like
Speaker 4: in the same sense that Joseph Paul Franklin what he
Speaker 4: did historically. Are you familiar with him? He was a
Speaker 4: racist serial killer during the I believe the seventies that
Speaker 4: was killing off you know, African American males and interracial relationships.
Speaker 4: I would imagine that a lot of these people would
Speaker 4: probably do those sort of killings, you know, and then
Speaker 4: I would imagine probably you know, at the hands of
Speaker 4: somebody that interprets oh nine A literature and their lens.
Speaker 4: I would guess it would be highly kind of interpretive
Speaker 4: to what they were doing because it is like decentralized.
Speaker 4: But yes, like like I said, I I don't doubt
Speaker 4: that there is like handiwork of occultic killings and sort
Speaker 4: of these racist killings too that do kind of coincide
Speaker 4: with one another. And I would imagine also that it
Speaker 4: would also like kind of be laid out by the
Speaker 4: lone Wolf system if you're familiar with like the lone
Speaker 4: wolf system that they arranged during they were fighting the
Speaker 4: communist and the nineteen fifties when they were behind the
Speaker 4: lines of Soviet sort of lines. They would probably arrange
Speaker 4: for someone to be a lone wolf actor that would
Speaker 4: do that. Like I said, I do think there is
Speaker 4: like one O nine A killing that a lot of people,
Speaker 4: researchers don't talk about it. It's like there was a
Speaker 4: black metal group that was highly into the on nine
Speaker 4: A their name escapes me at this point, and they
Speaker 4: were into they killed a I believe a homosexual man
Speaker 4: and it was like a ritualistic killing. Like I said,
Speaker 4: there is like a specific neo Nazier or like esoteric
Speaker 4: hitler Rist group during the years led that some people
Speaker 4: may believe might be connected to the monsters of Florence
Speaker 4: that I would imagine they would probably that would probably
Speaker 4: be in the same manner, on the same capacity of
Speaker 4: what a culling would potentially look like.
Speaker 2: You did mention about kind of the collings of like
Speaker 2: homosexuals or racial stuff and things like that. Now, I
Speaker 2: do find it interesting, maybe I'm jumping a little bit ahead,
Speaker 2: because this kind of gets a little bit maybe more
Speaker 2: into the modern to the seven six'. Four what are your,
Speaker 2: Thoughts it almost feels like there's like an inversion on.
Speaker 2: That but it's like it's almost this like inversion of
Speaker 2: the typical. Hierarchy now to where from my impression of
Speaker 2: THE i guess the seven six, four if, anything many
Speaker 2: of them would be and it kind of like training
Speaker 2: death cult stuff that either the right boom or nonsense
Speaker 2: talking about the kind of to some extent it is
Speaker 2: actually sort of true of seven six four while also
Speaker 2: sort of also kind of weirdly having This nazi. Ideology
Speaker 2: it's like this like odd thing where you see like
Speaker 2: A Nazi jew or. Something you're, like, what but they
Speaker 2: seemingly this seems to be. Happening so what are Your
Speaker 2: do you have anything any thoughts on?
Speaker 4: That is that?
Speaker 2: True is is it perhaps like a is there something
Speaker 2: to that to wr because if, anything IF i what's
Speaker 2: to think of them actually choosing?
Speaker 3: Targets?
Speaker 2: NOW i would think of them as, being you, know
Speaker 2: the standard smiley face killing type, targets almost the the the,
Speaker 2: blemish the unblemish lamb type of, archetype or or the jock,
Speaker 2: archetype or the the kind of what the what society
Speaker 2: thinks is. Good but they're kind of just the dumb
Speaker 2: sheep from their, perspective as from the pretentious, perspective and,
Speaker 2: uh that's why they need to be culled because they're
Speaker 2: stupid and we know better than them or, whatever you
Speaker 2: know WHAT i. Mean but while that they're still to
Speaker 2: some extent not the the what would be considered the
Speaker 2: conventional peak.
Speaker 3: ARCHETYPE i guess you know WHAT i. MEAN i don't.
Speaker 2: Know it's it's an Odd, uh they're they're a Hierarchical
Speaker 2: yet while at the same time being an oddened version of,
Speaker 2: it if that makes.
Speaker 4: Sense, well that's interesting that you mentioned, that AND i
Speaker 4: think what's glossed over in many instances you mentioned the
Speaker 4: smiley faced killers WITH i believe people that are athletic
Speaker 4: and are really the epitome of what mayan and a
Speaker 4: lot of these people would call the. Ubermensch it would
Speaker 4: be their.
Speaker 2: Ideal, actually, yeah like, young, handsome, tall, athletics, smart you,
Speaker 2: know good, grades these type of people doing going places
Speaker 2: in life and young and you, know.
Speaker 4: Promising what's funny about that is that you, mentioned you,
Speaker 4: know also the. Inversion, ALSO i didn't say specifically as
Speaker 4: like a sort of you, know racial, basis BUT i
Speaker 4: would SAY i would guess that it would be orientation
Speaker 4: and race that would probably figure in. That but, YEAH
Speaker 4: i mean what's interesting also about nine as that there
Speaker 4: are non whites that are in NINE. A there are
Speaker 4: people that are non binary and. Transgender there are people
Speaker 4: that are you, know. Homosexuals there are people that are
Speaker 4: into that type of. Lifestyle they're even you, know non
Speaker 4: whites that are into it as, well THAT i suppose
Speaker 4: are attracted to the metaphysical or the hermetic aspects of
Speaker 4: ons and, that and that's what's perplexing about the whole
Speaker 4: thing is that there are non whites Like Chloe, ortega
Speaker 4: who is the outward representative of the THE i believe
Speaker 4: the star next to the honor uh three five two
Speaker 4: was someone who was non, white was actually Of mexican
Speaker 4: And cambodian. Descent Uh, SO i mean it kind of gets.
Speaker 4: Murky and there's nothing in the nine a text that
Speaker 4: actually forbids stuff like. Homosexuality but it does seem like
Speaker 4: a lot of people would believe it or not associated
Speaker 4: with the far, right in with Neo. Nazism, REALLY i
Speaker 4: think it's kind of a Morphous i'm not going to
Speaker 4: quite call it nihilistic BECAUSE i really don't like the
Speaker 4: nihilistic violence extremist label because it's like it's it's a slippery.
Speaker 4: Slope they can label just about anybody that. Is you,
Speaker 4: know it seems like it's just a weasily way to
Speaker 4: like interfere with in. Profiling it's not in an exact, science.
Speaker 3: Yeah like attitude keep an eye on.
Speaker 4: Them it kind of. FITS i mean it kind of
Speaker 4: fits because a lot of the people in the seventy
Speaker 4: sixth floor it don't really have a basis of an
Speaker 4: internal sort of. Ideology but, YEAH i mean it is
Speaker 4: it is rather interesting that there are various different like
Speaker 4: groups that are in and it's really also the phenomenon
Speaker 4: of the online sort of non white nazi and fascist
Speaker 4: is something that is, LIKE i think puzzled a lot
Speaker 4: of like researchers and a lot of counter terrorist researchers
Speaker 4: and a lot of extremist researchers because they don't expect.
Speaker 2: That but it's like racist unite like of all different. Brands, yeah,
Speaker 2: YEAH i mean it's.
Speaker 4: Like it's kind of, perplexing especially With Solomon henderson and,
Speaker 4: uh you, know there's even like female spree shooters and
Speaker 4: school shooters, now which was out of the. Norm believe
Speaker 4: in the nineties there was a few like THE I
Speaker 4: Hate monday's. Shooter but it's really. Perplexing SO i think
Speaker 4: a lot of what happened is just because society is
Speaker 4: like overtly politically correct about. EVERYTHING i think now people
Speaker 4: sort of think the The nazism thing is sort of
Speaker 4: the edgy and cool thing to be, online and it's
Speaker 4: just sort of the, rebellion just like in the sixties
Speaker 4: people were against you, know, communism as they were against.
Speaker 2: Communism, well that's a that's a good, point like the
Speaker 2: the the for, example the the.
Speaker 3: Shooter in was It?
Speaker 2: MINNESOTA i think the the the recent church, shooting like
Speaker 2: all the stuff he had written all over the. THING
Speaker 2: i mean most of those things were, hell they were conflicting.
Speaker 2: Things they mostly were just kind of a, well let's be.
Speaker 2: REAL i think those are probably to get attention from
Speaker 2: the the, media but to some, EXTENT i think it
Speaker 2: also signals kind of what you're getting at there and
Speaker 2: the idea of that they're LIKE i don't give a,
Speaker 2: shit like oh, No i'll Say i'll make mouse sounds
Speaker 2: like oh what are you gonna do about? It like
Speaker 2: it's that type Of it's that type of it's the you,
Speaker 2: know it's literally it's a, WELL i don't know what
Speaker 2: your perspective On kanye aary that, thing but like it's
Speaker 2: literally the nigga Hal Hitler like it's like. That it's
Speaker 2: like you, SAY i can't make this, song So i'm
Speaker 2: gonna make this, song And i'm gonna make it fucking.
Speaker 3: Slap it's that. Concept any whether you agree with it or,
Speaker 3: not is that it's.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 4: Yeah at the same, TIME i want TO i also
Speaker 4: want to emphasize also that believe it or, not, unfortunately
Speaker 4: there is sort of a racist subculture online that, originates
Speaker 4: believe it or, not From Dylan. Roof that's called the Ball.
Speaker 4: Patrol and if you notice on the gun it says
Speaker 4: bullpilled on the. Gun if you notice a lot of
Speaker 4: researcher's sort of glossed over. That BUT i actually wanted
Speaker 4: to speak about, that IF i, may yeah about well
Speaker 4: basically in you, know in twenty, fifteen people know that
Speaker 4: the Bull patrol or not, sorry not the Bull, beatrol
Speaker 4: But Dylan ruth went into a church and shot up
Speaker 4: Uh African, americans An African american. Congregation AND i want
Speaker 4: to emphasize also WHEN i talk about this kind of,
Speaker 4: STUFF i want to sympathize also with the victims at a
Speaker 4: lot of. Incense So i'm not glory glorifying any of this.
Speaker 4: Stuff i'm just simply putting this out there so people
Speaker 4: will know what their their kids are into and, like you,
Speaker 4: know to pull them out because it is assorted sort
Speaker 4: of festering type of toxic pool on the. Internet so
Speaker 4: what happened was is that believe it or, not of all,
Speaker 4: people there was a guy Named Weave Andrew. Ahnheimer are
Speaker 4: you familiar with. Him, well we've was this, hacker uh
Speaker 4: Turn nazi that was into, hacking and he supposedly switched
Speaker 4: the digits on AN at AND t phone and sneaked
Speaker 4: into iPads and well not, iPads but like you, know
Speaker 4: iPhones And apple products and was stealing LIKE at AND
Speaker 4: t and leaked. Information, initially he was kind of a
Speaker 4: darling of the. Left he was a darling of the.
Speaker 4: Left he was In occupy back in twenty. Thirteen so
Speaker 4: what happened Is Andrew ahrenheimer decided to become A nazi
Speaker 4: and he joined up with this guy Named Andrew, anglin
Speaker 4: and they started this website called The Daily. Stormer and
Speaker 4: what's ironic about this is the potentially we might Be,
Speaker 4: jewish you, know we know that that really isn't a,
Speaker 4: deterrent such As Faint colin and a lot of different
Speaker 4: people have been in The Nazi party that Were. Jews
Speaker 4: BUT i mean, coincidentally what happened was is that we've
Speaker 4: met these people online in this, forum in The Daily stormer,
Speaker 4: forum and they decided to lionize and canonize these various
Speaker 4: different racial, saints starting With Dylan rufe and that's sort
Speaker 4: of what the seeds in the foundation of The Bull patrol.
Speaker 4: Started so it kind of grew like an aggrigore and
Speaker 4: grew like a presence, online and it just proliferated until
Speaker 4: like other Racial saints according to, them this is according
Speaker 4: to them THAT i think they call it, collectively Now
Speaker 4: saint culture started to seep into edgy internet, culture which
Speaker 4: sort of formed the whole like weird kind of LARPer
Speaker 4: core that's part of The minneapolis. Shooter it's just it's
Speaker 4: a weird mix of all these different racial shooters that
Speaker 4: you saw on the you, know on the rifle THAT
Speaker 4: i believe the person, was you, know using such As,
Speaker 4: terran such as you know, bowers all these different sort
Speaker 4: of racial sort of. Saints it's really kind of strange
Speaker 4: in my, opinion but it did grow legs And weave
Speaker 4: was one of the people that initially you, know started.
Speaker 4: It but there was another guy also whose name was
Speaker 4: online Was Vic. Mackey he was another person and him
Speaker 4: And weave and another guy Named Uncle dad corresponded on
Speaker 4: This Daily stormer forum and they started sort of this
Speaker 4: Racial saint culture and it grew into The Ball patrol
Speaker 4: and believe it or. Not like most, things people don't
Speaker 4: realize that the intersection between the occult and These nazi
Speaker 4: circles is that these people are usually into like more
Speaker 4: than one. Thing they're into Esoteric, Hitlerism they're into stuff
Speaker 4: Like Miguel serranos AND Vi True devi and matter of,
Speaker 4: Fact mayat was into cib True. Debby she has this
Speaker 4: concept about man above, time man in. Time. Uh and
Speaker 4: these are very much been weaven integrated into like the ninety.
Speaker 4: Mythos and so this is WHY i say a lot of,
Speaker 4: people lot of researchers don't realize is that these memes
Speaker 4: have crossed pollinated various different platforms to the extent you
Speaker 4: have something like seven to six y. FOUR i also
Speaker 4: want to say something else that a lot of people
Speaker 4: don't realize about these communities is that we have a
Speaker 4: PROBLEM i think in many instances of people not having
Speaker 4: communities to go, to not sort of having you, know
Speaker 4: family ties to people not having and so that makes
Speaker 4: them very. Vulnerable and a lot of kids online AND
Speaker 4: i maybe even myself might be a little bit on
Speaker 4: the autistic, spectrum and they are easily coached and coerced
Speaker 4: into people that are charismatic sociopaths that happen to you,
Speaker 4: know like extremism and. Edgy it really isn't that. Complex
Speaker 4: in many, cases there is like this overlying meet those
Speaker 4: that does build up on The, internet but it's not
Speaker 4: extremely complex to the point to where a lot of
Speaker 4: it is just you, know people don't have a community
Speaker 4: to go, to and so they tend to go to
Speaker 4: these communities and find a refuge with these. People, UNFORTUNATELY
Speaker 4: i want to, SAY.
Speaker 2: I do find it interesting because it almost seems like
Speaker 2: you can almost understand this is like a cancer leaking
Speaker 2: into other areas because we go FROM o NINE a
Speaker 2: and kind of spreading and becoming a bigger, thing you,
Speaker 2: know because we HAVE o NINE a that kind of
Speaker 2: spreads off to its other little nexioms into seven six.
Speaker 2: Four and it seems to me like what you're describing
Speaker 2: is almost the thesis that's safer with The Minnesota. Stator
Speaker 2: perhaps he wasn't even necessarily associated with any one specific.
Speaker 2: Group it's become such a, diffuse ubiquitous concept within certain
Speaker 2: realms of the inner that that it's just kind of
Speaker 2: that's the that's the zeitgeist in that in that, area
Speaker 2: that's that that, genre that, whatever that niche that that group,
Speaker 2: like that's what they're about as opposed to having to
Speaker 2: be like a formalize specific. Group AND i don't, know who,
Speaker 2: Knows maybe we'll see twenty years from now that almost
Speaker 2: tastitizes something that then gives birth to something.
Speaker 3: Else but AM i?
Speaker 2: Correct and that's kind of what you're getting at that
Speaker 2: it is just kind of that this concept's kind of
Speaker 2: fusing because it is kind of a self, perpetuating you, know,
Speaker 2: ideology you, know WHICH i kind of we're about to
Speaker 2: get into the connection between NINE a into seven sixty
Speaker 2: four and you, know kind of the different the idea
Speaker 2: of the nexiums and. Stuff SO i think you probably
Speaker 2: agree with, this BUT i, mean anything on, THAT i
Speaker 2: think that's interesting that that that thesis that you seem
Speaker 2: to be kind of driving at with a.
Speaker 4: Shooter, okay let me let me just circle back to
Speaker 4: the GUY i was talking, About Vic, mackie which by the,
Speaker 4: way is named after the corrupt cop on the. Shield,
Speaker 4: Now Vic mackie is an interesting. Case he thought it
Speaker 4: was a very good idea to somehow cross pollinate racist
Speaker 4: accelerationist memes with the true crime. Community as a matter of,
Speaker 4: fact he was kind of the one of the early
Speaker 4: adopters of this sort of. Phenomenon and already what's coincidentally
Speaker 4: is a lot of the people in the true crime
Speaker 4: community were Making dylan ruth edits. Uh and previously there was,
Speaker 4: like of course the Colon biner's, culture which also weirdly
Speaker 4: in some, circles gets attached to the Whole saint Racial
Speaker 4: saint culture as, well and it sort of congeals, together
Speaker 4: uh and fuses together with u you, know with like
Speaker 4: even the seven six four and oh ninety, stuff which
Speaker 4: you have like the maniac murder, cult which is sort
Speaker 4: of a continuation of a lot Of i'll be in
Speaker 4: a sort of like more twisted version of, that if
Speaker 4: like there wasn't already not a twisted version of, that
Speaker 4: it's kind of a more perverse and profane version of.
Speaker 4: That so these things sort of congealed together, until LIKE i,
Speaker 4: said they become kind of a living aggregre and they
Speaker 4: just proliferate. Online Uh, So, yeah it was Like Dick
Speaker 4: mackey that was like responsible and if you look up his,
Speaker 4: name his name Is Andrew. Kusuarez he's he's actually BEEN
Speaker 4: i THINK i think he's actually AND i hate the docs,
Speaker 4: people But Andrew kusuarez is sort of known to a
Speaker 4: lot of people out there as like being one of
Speaker 4: the architects of The Bull, patrol although he's not the sole.
Speaker 4: One we've definitely participated and constructing The Bull patrol and
Speaker 4: it's sort of like grew a life of its. Own but,
Speaker 4: yes LIKE i, said the true crime. Community and this
Speaker 4: is not to indict people that maybe watch you, know
Speaker 4: true crime documentaries and sort of like looking and peering
Speaker 4: and want to be amateur LIKE fbi, profilers but unfortunately
Speaker 4: a lot of the true crime community they live vicariously
Speaker 4: through a lot of these you know, people including a
Speaker 4: lot of these racial, saints and they sort of play
Speaker 4: out this whole sort of theater online and the same
Speaker 4: thing goes with. It and what this is like mixed
Speaker 4: with oh nine, a it's sort of like an occultic
Speaker 4: theater for the masses that just spreads, online is that
Speaker 4: that's just far as.
Speaker 2: Echoes, okay sorry you, Coughed so it made it made
Speaker 2: it a little odd like are you were you in the
Speaker 2: middle of? This was giving you moment because it's never
Speaker 2: been in the middle of. It all, right, uh all,
Speaker 2: right let's.
Speaker 3: Get into seven six.
Speaker 2: Four let's start off with what the hell is seven six,
Speaker 2: four just as a reminder to the, people and then
Speaker 2: let's explore the, connection because that's A i know many
Speaker 2: people find that dubious on its, own but, uh seven
Speaker 2: six four kind of took a very different, flavor uh
Speaker 2: from THE O g NINE A a little bit different
Speaker 2: flavor From temple Of.
Speaker 4: Blood.
Speaker 2: Uh you, know they took the they took the cool
Speaker 2: parts Of temple Of, blood it seems like with seven six,
Speaker 2: four and they're, like you know, what let's throw that
Speaker 2: all out and then we'll just go with the scum
Speaker 2: fuck shit and just stick with, that you know, whatever
Speaker 2: whatever little aesthetics that made it, cool The temple Of,
Speaker 2: blood LIKE i don't, know kind of, metal you, know
Speaker 2: at least so you're kind of kind OF i can
Speaker 2: kind of vibe with that a little, bit but. Black,
Speaker 2: yeah but seven six, FOUR i don't, know JUST i
Speaker 2: just gay Little nazi stuff and they're just the. WORST
Speaker 2: i hate them very very. Much there's nothing, redeeming and
Speaker 2: it is all about seemingly mostly about targeting, children just
Speaker 2: the idea of doing the most to prave things WHICH
Speaker 2: i don't. Know it's one thing where you're, like oh,
Speaker 2: COOL i do gang stuff and you're, like, okay, whatever
Speaker 2: we can kind of glorify by gang violence and like
Speaker 2: a fun, hope you, know into rap, music but it
Speaker 2: doesn't really vibe the same when you're Like Dylan Little,
Speaker 2: Kids you're, like, whoa.
Speaker 3: You lost? Me so that's.
Speaker 2: Yeah so that's where that's kind of where we're at
Speaker 2: with seven six. Four not a whole lot redeeming about.
Speaker 2: Them at Least temple Of. Blood i'd be, like that's pretty,
Speaker 2: metal that's kind of. Cool and Nine a's got this
Speaker 2: weird vampire vibe to, it you, know like they read
Speaker 2: books and you know they their house smells the. Mahogany
Speaker 2: but seven six four is just that's the. Worst but
Speaker 2: let the audience know what is seven six? Four how
Speaker 2: would you try to describe what exactly it? Is and then,
Speaker 2: michuess we'll kind of get into the.
Speaker 4: Link, okay seven six, four from WHAT i can, surmise
Speaker 4: is a sextortionist, cult believe it or, not is like
Speaker 4: run by other teenagers to extort other teenagers and people
Speaker 4: that are, underage primarily, girls but it does target THE
Speaker 4: lgbt community as, well and you're probably wondering how such a,
Speaker 4: sick fucked up community sort of came into. Existence, well
Speaker 4: and initially it was the, comms and the comms like
Speaker 4: it can mean like, hackers credit card, scammers it can
Speaker 4: mean like various different. Forms there are like different segments
Speaker 4: of the. Comms BUT i want to remind people that
Speaker 4: think that a lot of these things are. Separate AND
Speaker 4: i would posit that a lot of people that are
Speaker 4: into credit card scamming and a lot of people that
Speaker 4: are into sort of criminal activity are also a little
Speaker 4: bit into THE cp stuff. Too let's just say that
Speaker 4: if you cross like analyze a lot of the serial
Speaker 4: killers and a lot of the other people that partaking.
Speaker 4: Crime matter of, fact the guy that that was, busted
Speaker 4: which was not seven six Four Angel Alameda, goucher which
Speaker 4: by the, way does have a Bull patrol, connection believe
Speaker 4: it or, not and like he went under like many different.
Speaker 4: Aliases he went under the alias mister two one. One
Speaker 4: he went under the Alias Sodom. WAFFING i mean the beta.
Speaker 3: Boy you say a? Boy is that what you? Said data?
Speaker 4: Boy?
Speaker 2: OKAY i was like, that, Okay beta, Boy, Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: yeah all, RIGHT i.
Speaker 4: KNOW i told you this was disturbing. STUFF i told.
Speaker 4: YOU i told.
Speaker 2: YOU i mean these sound like names of people of
Speaker 2: group Chats i'm, in but they named it ironically just because.
Speaker 2: Theirs but.
Speaker 4: What's interesting About Angel alameda and Or gorbuncher duck as
Speaker 4: like some of the people call. THEM i want to
Speaker 4: like also like caution a lot of researchers out there
Speaker 4: that are into like researching them this, self looking At Kiwi,
Speaker 4: farms WHICH i guess is a lot of where people
Speaker 4: extract this. Information be very careful because what's going on
Speaker 4: now because they're, outed is a lot of the people
Speaker 4: that are in six six nine six and you, know
Speaker 4: into even like remits the seven six four are trying
Speaker 4: to like do revisionist. History they're trying to, backtrack and
Speaker 4: they're trying to lie about a lot of the previous.
Speaker 4: People so that's why when you research these, people bring
Speaker 4: those receipts and stick it to these people and make,
Speaker 4: sure like, you you, know you call them out and
Speaker 4: don't let them like get away for what they. Did
Speaker 4: and Gore, butcher by the, way that schedule that you
Speaker 4: showed in the, beginning that's actually from A satanic front
Speaker 4: that's actually was bought From satanic. Front that's Probably Satanai
Speaker 4: manibus Or Draco noctoole Or Bartalk likeas's. Blood it might
Speaker 4: even Be sutter's, blood to be quite honest with, you
Speaker 4: Because Angel alameda was quite an afficionado of A Kino Peter,
Speaker 4: carroll who was a chaos Magician. Levey and it seems
Speaker 4: also that he was no slouch when it came to
Speaker 4: studying like psychological techniques That levey and also like A
Speaker 4: kino were. INTO i would say he's probably was into
Speaker 4: this book called The command To, look which is also
Speaker 4: what rape or you Know Cameron denton From adam often
Speaker 4: used when he was like constructing his. Propaganda and by the,
Speaker 4: way he got rape From Boyd. Rice that's where he
Speaker 4: got that name. From if you're familiar with the industrial,
Speaker 4: musician that Is Cameron. Denton but going back To Gor,
Speaker 4: butcher LIKE i, said what's interesting about him is that
Speaker 4: he actually wanted to use OR cp or should say
Speaker 4: See Sam i'm depending on whatever format this is. ON
Speaker 4: i want to BE i don't want to get you
Speaker 4: demonetized and various different like animal crush to demoralize and
Speaker 4: this is where like the really, disgusting nasty stuff really
Speaker 4: comes Into he thought he could utilize this as a
Speaker 4: psychological technique to wear people down and to and if
Speaker 4: like you couldn't tolerate this, stuff you were considered to
Speaker 4: be an ubermine and you were considered right kind of
Speaker 4: for the. Calling he never did any of the, calling
Speaker 4: but that was his sort of rationale for doing. That
Speaker 4: and also addition to, that he, said LIKE i, said
Speaker 4: he said he took techniques From akino and from Like
Speaker 4: levey and kind of compelled and cangilled it. Together and
Speaker 4: by the, way he was quite a big fan as
Speaker 4: his sutter and Also draco noctol Aka bartok. Likes they're
Speaker 4: quite fans of, mcgallon and they like to mock the
Speaker 4: Whole Serah killer program to kill sort of. Meme they
Speaker 4: like TO. Mockt they like to also play into, it
Speaker 4: as you can kind of see with the Casual international
Speaker 4: pm FAKE pmc that's going around THE I ain't nomad.
Speaker 4: Guy they like TO. Mockt they like to just sit
Speaker 4: there and mock it and sort of thumb their nose
Speaker 4: at researchers because they know like, researchers you, know this
Speaker 4: is first of all disturbing. Stuff the one except for you,
Speaker 4: know people that you don't LIKE, bx we'll probably look into,
Speaker 4: it and, myself which you, KNOW i lost my sanity
Speaker 4: from looking into, it to be quite honest with, You
Speaker 4: AND i primarily did that because they were spamming DISCORDS
Speaker 4: i was. In they were spamming PLACES i were. In
Speaker 4: it was just relentless with, spam AND i was wondering,
Speaker 4: where you, know the stuff was coming. Back but let
Speaker 4: me go back To Angel.
Speaker 2: Alameda are you getting at the harassment that you? Got
Speaker 2: dig into this a little. Bit i've been. THERE i
Speaker 2: mean not NOT i ONLY, i LIKE i, said even
Speaker 2: only cursory dig into it WHEN i started to like
Speaker 2: just be helpful and kind of platforming this BECAUSE i
Speaker 2: was one of the early people when this first start
Speaker 2: popping off with all the spits. THINGS i guess maybe
Speaker 2: of the semi larger is, shows not THAT i even
Speaker 2: have that big of a, show but yeah it, was and,
Speaker 2: yeah they just started. Show every now and Then i'll
Speaker 2: still have one show up in my live. CHAT i
Speaker 2: Mean i'll just usually make fun of him real quick
Speaker 2: and then they'll they'll. Bounce but it is weird that
Speaker 2: they do show. UP i wouldn't be surprised if one
Speaker 2: shows up in the comments, here and if, so hey.
Speaker 3: WHATEVER i don't. Care if, ANYTHING i think they're, jokes
Speaker 3: like but they're kind of.
Speaker 2: Cowards but, yeah they pray on week week like you,
Speaker 2: know the women and. Children but, yeah they're not really
Speaker 2: anything to be concerned, about aside from if you are.
Speaker 3: Vulnerable sorry If.
Speaker 4: I'm, RANDOM i don't mean to interrupt, you But i'm
Speaker 4: sorry If i'm random with the. Names BUT i have
Speaker 4: to be specific When i'm naming a lot of stuff
Speaker 4: because it's a lot Of this is like really through
Speaker 4: who's connected to who and whose names or? Who or
Speaker 4: what chat is? That what's telegram is? That Uh? So
Speaker 4: one of the guys that is connected To gorbucher is
Speaker 4: a guy Named antonio and he's quite. INFAMOUS i would
Speaker 4: say the Ball. Patrol one of the things they like
Speaker 4: to they like to do was spamming inter racial gay
Speaker 4: porn to various different. Chats they were into. That it
Speaker 4: comes from the whole upbreaking. MEME i, guess LIKE i,
Speaker 4: Said i'm, sorry this is like disturbing, stuff BUT.
Speaker 2: I, mean this is this is the kids though isn't,
Speaker 2: it because we're talking about to, Everybody, okay BECAUSE i
Speaker 2: KNOW i hear that AND i think that's, LIKE i
Speaker 2: know that is like that seems like some stupid PRANK
Speaker 2: i would have done in high.
Speaker 3: School so it's kind of.
Speaker 2: Funny but, obviously depending on the depending on THE i
Speaker 2: guess the who you're sending it, to that could be, holy,
Speaker 2: holy Holy.
Speaker 3: Moly so, SORRY i want.
Speaker 4: To see they believe it or. Not there is a
Speaker 4: precedent for this with these disturbing. Images i'm pretty sure
Speaker 4: you're familiar with The nexium, cult.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah N, X i v V, m you know
Speaker 2: The roman, Numerals, yeah the the rich, PEOPLE i, know
Speaker 2: The bronfman's were big into it and a Pure deal's
Speaker 2: boyfriend died at the house Of Claire. Bronfman, yeah so
Speaker 2: the next time cult is one of these ONES i
Speaker 2: need to dive on on these.
Speaker 4: Days so, basically then this is my. Theory, okay this
Speaker 4: is my. Theory where a lot of this stuff comes?
Speaker 4: From IS i believe a lot of This probably these
Speaker 4: people were imitating a lot of. THIS a lot of,
Speaker 4: researchers like you, Know negate the fact that these people
Speaker 4: are you, know they may be sick and, twisted but
Speaker 4: a lot of them are not, stupid and a lot
Speaker 4: of them do to read true, crime and a lot
Speaker 4: of them do study psychological techniques that are deployed by other.
Speaker 4: Cults and the reason Why i'm Where i'm going with,
Speaker 4: this in case you're, wondering is The fright study resembles
Speaker 4: just like The. Gore it's down to like the Whole
Speaker 4: american HISTORY x curb scene and LIKE i, said The,
Speaker 4: Gore and you, know from my research and What i've
Speaker 4: looked into is that a lot of this stuff goes
Speaker 4: back to the Human potential movement a. Lot and you
Speaker 4: know WHEN i go on and talk to, people they're,
Speaker 4: like what does this have to do with the human potential? Movement,
Speaker 4: well part of the human potential movement in the nineteen,
Speaker 4: sixties AND i believe this seventies through est was confronting your,
Speaker 4: fear confronting your, phobia through confronting these things head. On
Speaker 4: and part of like the therapy would be they would
Speaker 4: show people, gore they would show people disturbing. Images and
Speaker 4: ALSO i want to say that also a big signature
Speaker 4: of the ball patrol is also Like islamic, beheadings as.
Speaker 4: Well that's a, big, big big part of their like
Speaker 4: whole entire, spam so they like can jeal it all.
Speaker 4: Together the interracial gaye worn the, beheadings and now it
Speaker 4: seems like This antonio guy who goes by the name
Speaker 4: Of hezchado Both Hermanto Visigothic belasco and perel lablax of braxis.
Speaker 4: Brown that's actually his. Name note the reference to a
Speaker 4: braxis the gnostic demiurgic, deity, which by the.
Speaker 3: WAY i found out a while.
Speaker 2: BACK a brass six is how it's spelled in some,
Speaker 2: places and that's, why and that's why you see in
Speaker 2: The dutreaux, thing the whole occult of a bra.
Speaker 3: Six that's what it. Is it's a different.
Speaker 2: Spelling so BECAUSE i know some people are, like, what
Speaker 2: so that is just it's just a braxis there's, NOTHING
Speaker 2: i guess some places it's just a different.
Speaker 3: Spelling SO i don't people get hung up on.
Speaker 2: That do you have anything you wanted to cover in this,
Speaker 2: realm because Otherwise i'd like to get into honing in
Speaker 2: on the connection of NINE a and seven sixty four
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i know that it's kind of kind of hotly
Speaker 2: debated amongst researchers in this.
Speaker 4: Area, okay, BASICALLY i just want to, say like BEFORE
Speaker 4: i move, on before we move, ON i want to
Speaker 4: say that it was Like antonio and also another guy
Speaker 4: Named daniel McMahon that through this telegram server Called Team
Speaker 4: Rock kids that also worked With Gore butcher to introduce
Speaker 4: a lot of seven sixty four to let's just, say
Speaker 4: white nationalists and radical extremist communities and spread it throughout
Speaker 4: that millile and spread it further and into seven sixty.
Speaker 4: Four they were very instrumental in doing. That AND i
Speaker 4: never hear anybody mention. THAT i think they're kind of
Speaker 4: concealing themselves and depending on people's ignorance to. Them SO
Speaker 4: i want to highlight that as.
Speaker 2: Well all, right uh, so all, right let's get into
Speaker 2: a connection of NINE a and seven Thir what is
Speaker 2: your perspective on? This is this a DIRECT nat seem
Speaker 2: a direct? OFFSHOOT i know some people debate this being
Speaker 2: the case seven sixty four just being its own. THING
Speaker 2: i guess just kind of naturally popped. Up uh you,
Speaker 2: know it is the the connection between the, two BECAUSE
Speaker 2: i mean not THAT i think it is a Direct
Speaker 2: uh you, know arking perfectly controlled. Conspiracy but a lot
Speaker 2: of people will buck this BECAUSE i guess they feel like,
Speaker 2: it you, know saying the connection between the two kind
Speaker 2: of implies such so, Well i'm going.
Speaker 4: To contend THAT i think seven six four took aesthetics
Speaker 4: from NINE a AND tob and used it to heighten
Speaker 4: its edginess and for its appeal more so than its ideological.
Speaker 4: UNDERPINNINGS i don't think seven six. Four this is WHERE
Speaker 4: i will agree with a lot of the nihilist of
Speaker 4: violent extremist, people is that seven sixty four at its
Speaker 4: core basically doesn't have an. Ideology it's just. Nothingness it's a.
Speaker 4: Void we can just say that it just thrives off
Speaker 4: doxing people and extorting, people and it's primarily let's just,
Speaker 4: say A Larry clark movie and euphoria and all the
Speaker 4: rest of this stuff on on. Steroids that's pretty much
Speaker 4: what it. Is it's just a.
Speaker 2: Dodge that would that fill the concept of NINE a
Speaker 2: of an opt for or even perhaps you could even
Speaker 2: maybe the case of a, culling because in a sense
Speaker 2: you are if you create a nihilistic, person they're essentially
Speaker 2: throwing their life away in service OF i guess your
Speaker 2: overarching concept of like control through chaos type thing.
Speaker 4: In a, sense it wouldn't a sense and AND i
Speaker 4: imagine there are probably people that would differ from. THAT
Speaker 4: i am. NOT i just want to reiterate THAT i
Speaker 4: am not a. NINER i don't practice that type of.
Speaker 4: IDEOLOGY i am interested in like left hand. Path let's just, say,
Speaker 4: uh you, know magic and things of that like and
Speaker 4: looking into. That But i'm not into NINE a or into,
Speaker 4: uh you, know any of its offshoots or its. Nexions
Speaker 4: but some PEOPLE i, WOULD i would assume or, presume,
Speaker 4: uh they would probably consider that an offer offer or
Speaker 4: off per uh in it's in it's like probably not
Speaker 4: in his proper. Sense. Uh but LIKE i, SAID I
Speaker 4: i want to underline the fact that a lot of
Speaker 4: that you, know seven to six four stuff is just
Speaker 4: kind of, edgy sextortionist kind of cult. Activity and they
Speaker 4: they're very selective About one THING i will say about
Speaker 4: them is they're very selective about communities they. Target they
Speaker 4: typically target communities that don't have a lot of that
Speaker 4: have a lot of people in it that might be
Speaker 4: vulnerable and might also be predisposed to. Extremism and sociopathic,
Speaker 4: Behavior so it's kind of a switch off to where
Speaker 4: they switch from person to. Person AND i would even
Speaker 4: argue a lot of the seven six four people probably
Speaker 4: offer other seven sixty four people just TO i guess
Speaker 4: protect whatever architect designed it in the first, place which,
Speaker 4: maybe you, know if you'll invite me back, On i'll
Speaker 4: actually go into WHERE i think seven sixty four kind
Speaker 4: of really originates and where it really comes. From but,
Speaker 4: yeah that's WHAT i think about seven to six. Four
Speaker 4: not NECESSARILY o NINE a affiliated or haven't tob, affiliated
Speaker 4: but it definitely took the esthetics and maybe it serves
Speaker 4: their purpose in a.
Speaker 3: Way All, right we would definitely be open for having
Speaker 3: you on.
Speaker 2: Again maybe we can find some sort of, specific you,
Speaker 2: know more honed in topic on this larger topic to
Speaker 2: come in.
Speaker 3: On but, UH i mean we've kind of touched on
Speaker 3: the major.
Speaker 2: THINGS i guess this does set the scene for a
Speaker 2: future discussion if you want to hone in and on
Speaker 2: specific aspect of all of, this you, know tangled. Web
Speaker 2: but BEFORE i let you go for, today is there
Speaker 2: anything particular that you felt like you wanted to talk
Speaker 2: about that we didn't get to, Today any specific. ANGLE i,
Speaker 2: MEAN i kind of just, like LIKE i, said it
Speaker 2: was a little bit more of a boilerplate kind of
Speaker 2: rehashing this stuff type episode like this is setting the
Speaker 2: stage for perhaps a future discussion to get a little
Speaker 2: bit more. Technical but you, KNOW i don't know if
Speaker 2: maybe there was something that was really itching at. You
Speaker 2: is there anything you felt like that we missed this.
Speaker 2: Discussion otherwise you can let people know where to find
Speaker 2: you At.
Speaker 4: OKAY i want to also emphasize BEFORE i go on,
Speaker 4: THIS i want to point out that's often glossed over
Speaker 4: when people look at The minneapolis shooter and even like
Speaker 4: the let's just say The Mystic physicists shooter or The
Speaker 4: BROWNIE o nine as like What i'd like to call, shooter,
Speaker 4: which by the, way they have The brony NINE a
Speaker 4: guy has a connection to THE uh, two definite connection
Speaker 4: to NINE, a unlike The minneapoli, shooter which is kind
Speaker 4: of up in the air and conjecture to a lot of.
Speaker 4: People but one THING i want to point out is
Speaker 4: that the mirror scene where the where it shows like
Speaker 4: The minneapolis shooter appearing in the, mirror where it appears
Speaker 4: to be like an indication of. POSSESSION i want to
Speaker 4: emphasize that this resembles something called reality, shifting which is A,
Speaker 4: jit which is a zoomer subculture, online which involves mirror
Speaker 4: work or mirrors, crying which does indicate that perhaps The
Speaker 4: minneapolis shooter was into reality shifting or mirror scrying and
Speaker 4: into more than one.
Speaker 3: Community another fucker, speaking, yes, yes, yeah, Yeah holy, crap
Speaker 3: that's that's some wild. Stuff all.
Speaker 2: Right he's staring deep into the, mere summoning the old,
Speaker 2: ones speaking to, Them.
Speaker 3: Okay trying to Summon john d And Edward. Kelly all,
Speaker 3: Right oh, Wow, sorry go, ON i didn't mean to
Speaker 3: cut you. OFF i just WAS i was.
Speaker 4: FINISHED i don't want to like expand into the. Technique
Speaker 4: yeah maybe at another TIME i. Will i'm kind of,
Speaker 4: tired but, Uh i'll just say, that, like they were
Speaker 4: into reality, shifting and it's definitely something that people should look.
Speaker 4: Into AND i want to emphasize also that researchers out
Speaker 4: there that are looking into, this it's The. Internet things are.
Speaker 4: Decentralized just because you don't immediate it doesn't immediately jump
Speaker 4: out at you doesn't mean that necessarily it's not the.
Speaker 4: CASE i. KNOW i also want to say about The
Speaker 4: Skibbitty farms. Thing, also, WELL i want to Mention Skibby farms.
Speaker 4: Before that's a very disgusting cess pool OF i, mean
Speaker 4: it's unfortunately these places. Exist but there's like a place
Speaker 4: Called Skibbity farms that is like a, twisted even more
Speaker 4: sort of psychotic version of Of Kiwi farms and The Skivity. Farms,
Speaker 4: actually believe it or, not the last two, Shooters Natalie
Speaker 4: rubnow and except for The broni nine to a guy
Speaker 4: who killed his, parents But Natalie Rubbnown Solomon henderson went
Speaker 4: On Skivney. Farms SO i wouldn't doubt with considering this
Speaker 4: person is also into like The saints Or saint culture
Speaker 4: or racial killers that are being exalted on the, INTERNET
Speaker 4: i wouldn't doubt that they were probably On Skivvy. FARMS
Speaker 4: i know that it's the whole thing out there has.
Speaker 4: Been that's WHAT i think is the problem with all
Speaker 4: this is there's Misdirect you think on The internet there
Speaker 4: would be like things that are just archived and there
Speaker 4: would be, screenshots but there are people trying to constantly sweep,
Speaker 4: up you, know from all of. This so people have
Speaker 4: to be really thorough if they're documenting this. Stuff but,
Speaker 4: YEAH i just want to Mention Skibbity farms and the
Speaker 4: whole reality shifting community is something to look into for
Speaker 4: some of their. Motives just a little interesting side note
Speaker 4: also that they do seem like they were steeped into the,
Speaker 4: occult which brings the mind like how far are we
Speaker 4: going to do this nihilistic violence extremist, thing and like
Speaker 4: how far are we going to stretch? IT i definitely
Speaker 4: see some people fit that, category BUT i mean The minneapolis, Shooter,
Speaker 4: LIKE i, mean how nihilistic were? They that's like a
Speaker 4: QUESTION i just want to, ask you, know to like
Speaker 4: researchers out, there AND i think we we owe, people you,
Speaker 4: know responsibility as researchers looking into the stuff to try
Speaker 4: to document. It and ALSO i want to emphasize everybody
Speaker 4: likes the glory that comes from this and like kind
Speaker 4: of the, attention but let's consider the victims also as.
Speaker 4: Well AND i mean it's okay to like take credit for,
Speaker 4: that but like there's really people that are like getting
Speaker 4: victimized and it's ruining their. Lives AND i mean these
Speaker 4: are people's, children these are people's you, know daughters and
Speaker 4: sons and you, know and ALSO i want to emphasize
Speaker 4: also that quite, unfortunately ALSO i think a lot of the,
Speaker 4: people the perpetrators of this stuff maybe were abused as
Speaker 4: kids as. WELL i want to, say Like i'm not
Speaker 4: Saying i'm saying their ship bags, definitely But i'm saying
Speaker 4: they were, Definitely And i'm not making excuses for them
Speaker 4: or saying that.
Speaker 3: Complicated you, know people.
Speaker 4: Hurt, yeah BUT i want to emphasize that also is
Speaker 4: that you, know it's like it's like it's just an
Speaker 4: all around disgusting thing and indicative of kind of where
Speaker 4: society has, gone and like communities are very important and
Speaker 4: raising your children is very. Important to please raise your
Speaker 4: children and keep them away from these a septic tanks
Speaker 4: on the. Internet please do because.
Speaker 2: Yeah well evil. PERVERTS i think that's the thing to
Speaker 2: keep in mind, here evil.
Speaker 3: Perverts so, YEAH i don't, know it's, awful awful.
Speaker 2: Shit but demento or Not, Demento i'm using your other,
Speaker 2: Name Doc inferno is using Your twitter. Name where can
Speaker 2: people find you? AT i am really interested in particularly
Speaker 2: even you really did catch me there at the end
Speaker 2: with the The anochian, Talk i'd be interested in maybe
Speaker 2: digging perhaps into some more of that lore in another another.
Speaker 2: Episode but you want to let people know where they
Speaker 2: can find, you and we'll go ahead and get out of.
Speaker 4: Here, Well i'd like to also talk to you sometime
Speaker 4: about the years Of lead also as.
Speaker 3: Well hell, yeah some of those.
Speaker 4: Esoteric hitlerist groups THAT i think may have given rise
Speaker 4: to The Nine air led to some of Maybe, mayat's
Speaker 4: although not a direct. Connection so basically you can find
Speaker 4: me my Wet my YouTube channel Is Demento. MAURY i
Speaker 4: have a podcast that's about, apocalyptusis, parapolitics, extremism and. Crime
Speaker 4: as of, lately and FORTUNATELY i haven't produced much. Content
Speaker 4: i've kind of been on a, hiatus but it's like
Speaker 4: in the, works AND i plan to also regularly make
Speaker 4: podcasts and explore some of these like more extremist topics
Speaker 4: and dive unfortunately into the waters of this uh, tepid
Speaker 4: the sordid mess of like The internet and looking into
Speaker 4: these things because somebody's got to do, it and somebody's
Speaker 4: got to like shine a light on some of this.
Speaker 4: Darkness so that's. Me you can find me on. YouTube
Speaker 4: uh maybe PERHAPS i will GIVE i WILL i will
Speaker 4: Give jose my YouTube, channel so where you can find me.
Speaker 4: There uh and, yeah that's pretty much What i'm doing for.
Speaker 4: Now AND i want to thank You jose for bringing me.
Speaker 4: ON i really do appreciate, this and you know, this
Speaker 4: this is this is great bringing me on and talking you,
Speaker 4: know even though like it is a kind of disturbing
Speaker 4: sort of. Subject i'm gonna thank you for bringing me
Speaker 4: on and Hopefully i've added some depth of knowledge to you,
Speaker 4: know what people understand about these. Groups so, WELL i
Speaker 4: THINK i.
Speaker 2: DID i think it was good even even just to
Speaker 2: rehash some of the information over, again BECAUSE i do
Speaker 2: think this is important stuff going on right, now AND
Speaker 2: i do think it's going to tie into our current.
Speaker 2: World BUT i appreciate you joining, us AND i am
Speaker 2: definitely interested in get you having you on. Again there
Speaker 2: is multile things you just mentioned. NOW i THINK i
Speaker 2: got a few EPISODES i could pitch to you to
Speaker 2: come on for so.
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