WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.599 Making children disappear as the war we wage with God 2 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:12.080 makes people lose their faith, turns them into demons. Like 3 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:18.640 you had to slow down since my husband disappeared. I 4 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:23.000 do what I can, stuck the car. 5 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:29.000 I'm getting very schizophrenic covering this stuff lately. 6 00:00:29.480 --> 00:00:31.199 But we're about to dive. 7 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:33.960 Deep into the ideology of nine A and I had 8 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:34.920 just the man. 9 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:35.479 On for it. 10 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:38.240 I wrote my first book in twenty ten about Alistair Crowley. 11 00:00:38.399 --> 00:00:40.520 Then I followed up with a true prime book about 12 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:43.079 the West, Memphis three. And then my fourth book was 13 00:00:43.119 --> 00:00:45.119 this one that we're talking about global death called I 14 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:50.280 published that in twenty twenty one. Hey, out there in 15 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:52.880 the code, getting lonely, getting old? 16 00:00:53.240 --> 00:00:54.359 Can you feel me? 17 00:00:54.759 --> 00:00:56.200 Why is that got me again? 18 00:00:57.520 --> 00:00:59.960 I guess my point is, you know, these are idiot 19 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:03.679 ologies that people act upon. They have a philosophy, they 20 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:06.239 have a practice of practice. 21 00:01:09.359 --> 00:01:13.599 Hey, you don't help them to buried life. 22 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:20.959 Don't get in. 23 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:24.040 Without a fight. 24 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:34.159 And nine was really set apart from these other kind 25 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:37.879 of strains of occult modern strains of occultism like the 26 00:01:37.959 --> 00:01:40.519 Oto Church of Satan, Temple of Set. 27 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:48.120 Hey against the wall, when you force someone to. 28 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:49.840 Call out, could you touch me. 29 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:58.280 Hey, you would you help me to carry this stone? 30 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:04.519 Oh? 31 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:16.680 Good, your heart, I'm coming hard. Hello. 32 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:19.879 Welcome back to the Noway Jose podcast. This is your host, 33 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:24.520 Jose Galison. Today I will be joined by Doc Inferno. 34 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:27.240 We're gonna be talking about nine A seven six four. 35 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:30.360 It's been a while since we've talked about this, aside 36 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:33.280 from just in passing on the show, so I figured 37 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:36.000 it was a good time to, uh, you know, rehash 38 00:02:36.159 --> 00:02:39.520 some of this these concepts since I do think they 39 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:43.599 may be coming to the four with some late late 40 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:45.240 late things going on. 41 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:48.159 But with that is going at Doc in here. Hey, Doc, 42 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:48.719 how are. 43 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:52.360 You good to be here? Are you doing doing all right? Well? 44 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:53.919 Sniffle all of a sudden, sorry, and so I'll try 45 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:55.400 to mute not be gross, but I might be a 46 00:02:55.400 --> 00:02:58.919 little bit nasally so. But Doc, it's a pleasure to 47 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:00.719 have you. This is the first time we're having you 48 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:04.599 on the show. If you could, maybe for my audience, 49 00:03:04.719 --> 00:03:08.639 just take a moment to introduce yourself. Let them know 50 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:11.919 anything pertinent that that would interest them. I mean, I 51 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:13.759 know we were talking about other podcasts you've been on 52 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:16.639 like that. We're interest cross and you're talking about you 53 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:18.960 going JJ Vance's show. Quite a bet he's a friend 54 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:21.719 of the show. But just yeah, what it is you do? 55 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:24.439 What is you're interested in? The things of the like. 56 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:29.120 Okay, my name is Doc and Doc Inferno, and I 57 00:03:29.159 --> 00:03:34.479 host a show which covers apocalypticism, parapolitics and all its 58 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:39.080 consequences on the modern world. And basically I research edgy 59 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:45.039 internet culture, and I also research apocalypticism and acceleration and 60 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:49.560 extremism and how it affects our society and its developments 61 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:53.840 from that, all forms of kind of occultism, all forms 62 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:59.159 of cult milieu, and all assorted trappings of that. I've 63 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:01.759 just gotten recently into kind of looking at sort of 64 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:06.080 the psychological underpinnings of a lot of these types of 65 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:09.919 activity online. And I think, honestly, there's a lot of overlap, 66 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:12.800 believe it or not, with stuff like the human potential 67 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:16.000 movement and some of the other stuff that you guys 68 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:18.319 talk about on a regular basis, like the process and 69 00:04:18.879 --> 00:04:20.240 a lot of those other things. There's a lot of 70 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:21.680 overlap from what I've discovered. 71 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:24.319 Yeah, I mean, it does seem like the more you look, 72 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:27.600 the more everything's connected. You did come to me kind 73 00:04:27.639 --> 00:04:30.079 of want to talk on nine A seven six four, 74 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:34.800 I think maybe a good place to start. I don't 75 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:37.720 know if this is perfectly up your wheelhouse, but perhaps 76 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:41.120 if you could, you know, regale my audience and kind 77 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:43.160 of the formation of O nine A, maybe that might 78 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:44.560 be a good place to start. We could always go 79 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:46.079 the other way around and start from seven to six 80 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:48.600 four and work our way back. But I mean, you know, 81 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:51.680 I think the especially with some of the happenings going on, 82 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:53.120 I mean, the show right now we're doing is probably 83 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:55.360 gonna get paid well released a couple weeks later, but 84 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:57.720 I still feel like it'll probably be a huge paradigm 85 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:00.360 shifting moment in the front of people's head. We just 86 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:02.920 had the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and obviously I'm not 87 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:05.079 saying we don't know what at this point was going out. No, 88 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:07.480 if it's O nine A seven sixty four, between all 89 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:10.560 the shootings and stuff, O nine A is does have 90 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:13.879 seemingly has connections to Gladio, and it seems like a 91 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:16.360 lot of people have made connections to years of lead 92 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:20.120 and kind of that we're approaching these times, So it's 93 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:22.160 only fitting that just kind of start there and then 94 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:24.040 obviously then to kind of bring you know, it will 95 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:27.079 work forward to seven sixty four, which is kind of well, 96 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:30.240 maybe it's not a perfect uh you know one for 97 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:32.279 one of what we think of when we think of Gladio, 98 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:34.600 but to some extent, it's kind of a newer version 99 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:37.879 of it. We're kind of simultaneously getting the uh we're 100 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:41.079 simultaneously getting the modern day version and also like somewhat 101 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:42.839 of the old school at the same time, like we're 102 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:45.800 getting ah, you know, multiple like when multiple versions of 103 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:48.360 humans were coexisting amongst each other type thing we have. 104 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:51.480 We have is evolved and the and the different species 105 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:52.720 are now living amongst each other. 106 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:53.720 That's what we're dealing with. 107 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:56.439 Yeah, I would I would call it like it's a 108 00:05:56.480 --> 00:05:58.720 digital Gladio. But let me start out with nine A. 109 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:02.439 For anybody that's been living under rock practically dough. Nine 110 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:07.879 A is what I would call basically an accelerationist philosophy 111 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:14.839 that combines hermeticism sort of other far right ideologies. It 112 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:19.720 also deals with stuff like Spangler and even a little 113 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:23.959 bit of hy hydegarian kind of philosophy as well. As 114 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:29.800 there's different forms of nine A culture. There's the Ruitha culture, 115 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:35.120 which deals with kind of the rule British culture that 116 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:39.240 Mayat weaved in, and Maya of course took a lot 117 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:44.160 of these things from various different formats, everything from Crawley 118 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:50.759 to Spangler to Hydegarian philosophy to chaos magic. So basically 119 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:54.519 it's just, in my opinion, a watered down version of 120 00:06:55.480 --> 00:07:00.920 Arabian kind of hermeticism and planetary matt that deals with 121 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:03.959 the septenary system, which is the seven forms, which is 122 00:07:04.079 --> 00:07:07.600 just you know, in stuff like the Pika Trix and 123 00:07:07.639 --> 00:07:11.759 the Shams el Arif and all these various different texts 124 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:15.480 and its whole. It also functions in a way as 125 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:18.720 a decentralized kind of spy network, which is I think 126 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:23.480 was intentional, probably because as you mentioned previously, Mayat of 127 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:27.240 course was in column eighty eight. He had experience with that, 128 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:30.000 and he also had experience with people like Colin Jordan 129 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:32.879 and a lot of the National Socialist networks as well 130 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:36.199 as Combat eighteen. So that's like kind of in a 131 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:41.319 nutshell what ninety is kind of about, if you know 132 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:45.360 their their motivation also is to open up these type 133 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:50.560 of portals or these like stargates to bring about intergalactic 134 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:54.759 Laban's realm through this thing called the star game and 135 00:07:55.519 --> 00:08:00.000 through sideway basically side real time, and to do accelerate 136 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:03.399 through evil acts and evil deeds. And it doesn't matter 137 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:07.560 if it comes from the far left to the far right. Fundamentally, 138 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:11.040 it's like entropy. It works like an anthropic system where 139 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:13.720 it just builds up and sort of as a catalyst 140 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:16.959 to all this negative energy as opposed to some of 141 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:20.040 the dark gods and just open up the portals and 142 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:23.480 supposedly bring about the destruction of what they call the 143 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:27.920 Maigian order, which is Judeo Christian order, which they think 144 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:32.639 is degenerate and also is in the Nietzschean sense, is 145 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:35.600 weak and cowardly. 146 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:40.440 All right, now, with Maya, I know with he is 147 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:45.600 known for being as I guess the traces of the 148 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:47.000 world would call a fabulist. 149 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:49.320 He is a serial fabulist. 150 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:53.840 Now, I do believe, if I recall correctly, some of 151 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:56.519 the things of his legend have been confirmed. 152 00:08:56.519 --> 00:08:59.120 I believe the column eighty eight stuff. 153 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:00.639 But I guess I kind of just ask you with 154 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:02.480 his legend, I kind of what what do you take 155 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:04.360 seriously of his backstory? 156 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:07.440 H What don't you? I know there's a lot of 157 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:08.799 lore that goes along with him. 158 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:10.240 I mean, hell, use even some of the stuff he 159 00:09:10.360 --> 00:09:12.639 just listed just now was like of the you know, 160 00:09:12.679 --> 00:09:14.639 the different occult stuff that he stole from this and 161 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:17.600 that it gets pretty I mean, he hell myight himself 162 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:20.080 is kind of an enigma, I know, the one, you know, 163 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:22.559 thing that people seem to grapple with when they start 164 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:24.879 digging into O nine A is like is O nine 165 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:27.320 eight even a thing? Because once you start getting deep 166 00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:29.759 into it enough, you start going, is it just like 167 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:33.200 a couple people, you know, pretending to be multiple people 168 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:35.200 pretending to do this, who's also pretending to do that? 169 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:38.159 You just get lost in the enigma of it all 170 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:40.639 to the point where you kind of questioned whether it's 171 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:44.639 real or not. And it is kind of a weird 172 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:47.559 enapsolation of what Intel, I guess kind of is. I mean, 173 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:50.639 how often do we hear of Intel assets that you 174 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:53.639 know they were, you know, making all these crazy claims 175 00:09:53.799 --> 00:09:55.840 and uh, you know, some some of it might be true, 176 00:09:55.919 --> 00:09:57.720 some may not, and some you know later they find 177 00:09:57.720 --> 00:09:59.639 out later like oh yeah, he actually was a CIA 178 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:03.799 ass that, uh but yeah, but also some of it 179 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:05.440 is made up. I think this is kind of a 180 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:09.720 somewhat somewhat the game of being in a a you know, 181 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:12.039 a person of espionage, But I guess just what are you? 182 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:12.919 What are your thoughts is? 183 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:17.639 Do you give credence to the Gladio connections of nine 184 00:10:17.720 --> 00:10:20.360 A or is this the ravings of a madman? 185 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:24.519 Well, I mean it definitely is contemporary with like stuff 186 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:27.639 as you mentioned the years of lead, and with a 187 00:10:27.639 --> 00:10:30.039 lot of stuff with Franco Freda and some of the 188 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:34.320 Italian accelerations we're doing. And what's interesting even about that 189 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:38.000 is there was actually a far right Italian sect of 190 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:43.879 people that were into esoteric Hitlerism, and so that kind 191 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:46.039 of leads credence to a lot of what Mayat is 192 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:50.120 talking about and these occulted networks that stretched from Italy 193 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:54.240 into the UK's it's very plausible for it for that 194 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:57.519 to take it consideration. And also another factor that's very 195 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:02.799 plausible is that utionary groups are very much intertwined with 196 00:11:02.919 --> 00:11:07.039 neo Nazi groups and Combat eighteen and paramilitary groups are 197 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:10.840 recruited from football hooligans, So it does make sense that 198 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:13.399 they would court a lot of these people. And you 199 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:15.960 kind of also see this method with Believe it or 200 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:17.759 Not with seven sixty four and a lot of these 201 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:20.720 troll armies are forming, only with a different format. They've 202 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:25.240 exchanged football holigans for a whole new genre of you know, 203 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:30.440 sociopathic and unhinged people that they can farm and allocate 204 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:34.240 as possible. So I know that doesn't really answer the questions. 205 00:11:34.279 --> 00:11:41.399 And Plus Mayad also typically in his own autobiography, I 206 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:45.039 think My Weird Full Life, I can't pronounce I'll be 207 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:47.879 honest with you, I can't pronounce the name that he 208 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:51.639 entitled it. But in My Weird Full Life he talks 209 00:11:51.679 --> 00:11:56.000 about being also like a son of a diplomat. Typically 210 00:11:56.480 --> 00:12:01.639 sons and daughters of diplomat are kind of groomed for intelligence. 211 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:04.879 And so that's where I think, you know Mayat probably 212 00:12:04.879 --> 00:12:07.440 from a very early age. And plus he has quite 213 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:11.159 believe it or not, Maya, unlike Sutter, actually has a 214 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:16.720 classical education. He actually seems to have sort of like 215 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:21.519 a flare for performative arts, which is also another indication 216 00:12:21.639 --> 00:12:23.720 of a gate kit or like someone that has been 217 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:27.519 selected for these types of services. So I'm inclined to 218 00:12:27.559 --> 00:12:31.559 believe Mayat is not lying. Due to his father's involvement 219 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:34.720 with Indonesia and with China and with the Far East 220 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:38.240 and with Africa in Eastern Africa, you know, which was 221 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:41.000 a colonial I believe a colony of the UK. I'm 222 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:43.480 inclined to believe that Mayatt is not lying. And also 223 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:47.320 the proximity I would say to mercenary groups and soldier 224 00:12:47.360 --> 00:12:50.279 of fortunes groups which believe it or not, are very 225 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:55.720 much interlinked with neo Nazi groups in also with various 226 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:59.639 different you know, other groups that have sort of been 227 00:12:59.720 --> 00:13:03.639 fun into I would say, white extremist circles. So I'm 228 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:07.440 not surprised and I lend credence to that with a 229 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:10.360 little bit of trepidation. But I think the more you 230 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:12.720 dig into MIAs fast you're going to discover, the more 231 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:14.879 it sort of glows. Yes. 232 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:17.559 Yeah, and just because he lies about some stuff doesn't 233 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:19.480 mean it's all fake. If anything, that's kind of the point. 234 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:21.320 It's going to make a question what the hell the 235 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:25.080 reality of the situation is there? You did mention Setter, 236 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:27.480 this is an important person that does come up in this. 237 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:30.919 Although he's never neither nine A nor seven six y four, 238 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:33.960 I know what he's he was the Temple of Blood guy. 239 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:37.240 But I believe there's kind of a connection. I believe, yes, 240 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:40.480 Temple of Blood was considered some sort of offshoot off 241 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:40.919 of O nine. 242 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:41.879 I forget what they call them. 243 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:44.440 What is the the offs They have a specific term 244 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:46.639 for the offshoots. But I'll pass it off to you 245 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:48.360 to just kind of because in the sense it's kind 246 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:50.399 of I think is part of the lore of all 247 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:53.840 this annexium or whatever. Yeah, yeah, so, but yeah, go 248 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:55.639 go ahead and let the let audience don't just kind 249 00:13:55.639 --> 00:13:57.120 of remind him what Temple of Blood is. And I 250 00:13:57.159 --> 00:13:59.799 guess I think obviously the significant of you mentioned glowing. 251 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:04.720 I mean obviously, so Sutter that is. That's where like 252 00:14:04.799 --> 00:14:07.679 for those who go like, okay, well, like, why why 253 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:09.399 are you telling me about this, It's like, well, like 254 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:12.799 I would think you wouldn't like the government paying for 255 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:14.960 this sort of shit, because that's what's happening right here. 256 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:16.360 So but yeah, go ahead and take it away. 257 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:19.360 Well, to be fair, I think the government got Sutter 258 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:22.039 at kind of a bargain price. It was only ten 259 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:24.679 thousand dollars per a year. But still I'm I agree 260 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:26.919 with you. I don't like the fact that you know, 261 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:29.879 the tax dollars go to an entity that is definitely 262 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:32.519 connected to a lot of these but I'm sure it 263 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:35.600 has paid off in dividends. I'm very sure that they've 264 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:38.960 used Sutter for and they're still continuing to use him 265 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:42.840 as evidence by the I Ain't Nomad and the Castle. 266 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:46.480 I just don't trust them to use these people judiciously 267 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:48.120 or benevolently. 268 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:50.759 That's my consign Yeah. 269 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:54.960 I agree, I would agree. So basically Sutter is his 270 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:58.120 father was I believe a Christian I dentist minister. He 271 00:14:58.279 --> 00:14:59.639 was in the League of the South. 272 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:06.879 Of course he was, of course both counts, so Soutter. 273 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:10.840 Basically, I think there was a after uh, you know, 274 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:14.559 Pastor Butler died from the you know, the Area Nations. 275 00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:16.360 What happened was is there was kind of a skill. 276 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:18.799 Real quick, before you move on, I don't want to 277 00:15:19.159 --> 00:15:21.039 did you ever watch my Gletti interview because you would 278 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:24.679 actually probably get get interested out of this. Actually yeah, okay, okay, 279 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:26.879 I just want to mention because I remembered as you met, 280 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:29.159 you're saying that Gletti had a tale that he fucking 281 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:32.799 uh he said that like he he said, uh was 282 00:15:32.799 --> 00:15:34.960 I I forget the specific one as obviously, go check 283 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:36.919 out the episode to see exactly what happened, but he 284 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:39.759 claimed doing some satanic something or other with I believe 285 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:40.559 Sutter's dad. 286 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:42.440 I believe if I recall. 287 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:47.120 Correct, that's probably true. I'll have to go back and 288 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:49.200 watch it. But anyway, sorry, don't want to throw that off, 289 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:50.639 but I was like, I had to mention that now 290 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:53.279 because it's significant. If you're like trying to have what 291 00:15:53.320 --> 00:15:56.240 do we give the story Glettie is you know, another asset, 292 00:15:56.360 --> 00:15:59.840 So it's like another another connecting point here, but go ahead. 293 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:01.840 So and for those who want to go check that out, 294 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:03.320 I did an interview with Glettie. 295 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:03.519 It is. 296 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:05.360 I think it's one of those ones that like people 297 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:07.960 don't realize what a big deal the interview was. So 298 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:12.519 it's a that dude did some groundbreaking fed stuff that 299 00:16:12.519 --> 00:16:14.000 they're not supposed to do, but go ahead. 300 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:18.559 No, Basically, what would happen is is Sutter was in 301 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:23.000 charge of the Aryan Nation's internet services, and this is 302 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:27.639 where Mayat made connections, I believe, because Maya would go 303 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:31.919 on Stormfront under the name Dark Logos. He also went 304 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:36.759 on the Area Nation I believe website as well under 305 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:39.559 Dark Logos. So this is around two thousand and five 306 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:43.480 and Sutter was under a Norse name wolf rum Hall 307 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:47.200 was the name of him, and so this connection sort 308 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:49.519 of like was sealed back in two thousand and five 309 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:53.240 and probably goes back further sometime in the nineties when 310 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:57.039 Sutter and may Ant sort of make this connection. So 311 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:03.320 what happened was, I suppose Mayat wanted something a little 312 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:07.440 bit more edgy, more sinister, or maybe Sutter wanted something 313 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:11.920 a little bit more edgy or sinister than just watered 314 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:16.079 down hermeticism and Arabian astromagic. 315 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:18.599 Tail is all as time these satanic circles. You're just 316 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:21.319 not edgy enough, I'm gonna break off and grabe another group. 317 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:24.559 There's totally not This wasn't like a concerted effort to 318 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:26.640 break off, but gone, yeah. 319 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:29.319 No, I suppose like they had a meeting of the 320 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:33.480 minds or whatever you want to call it, and Sutter decided, 321 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:36.920 And I'm not sure like how affront Sutter was to 322 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:41.519 Maat about the breakup of the next on or like 323 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:44.319 that he was going to integrate a bunch of weird 324 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:49.599 let's just say, weird pedophilic stuff like iron gates or 325 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:53.000 some of the Detroe stuff and some of the other things. 326 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:57.519 I mean, Mayat's let's just say, I think a lot 327 00:17:57.559 --> 00:18:01.119 of times people are interjecting the stuff to type of 328 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:04.640 b edge lords. So it's it's hard to gauge. I mean, 329 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:07.599 in many cases it's still it's it's definitely wrong. And 330 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:10.960 uh I don't endorse it, by the way, though I 331 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:13.279 research it, I don't endorse that kind of stuff. But 332 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:16.079 uh so I think you know, he was pushing it 333 00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:20.480 in the direction of, let's make O nine a more sinister, 334 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:25.119 you know, let's add more elements of blood magic. Let's 335 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:28.440 add more like sort of sinister elements serial killers to 336 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:33.000 trow Let's also riff off the whole entire Let's let's 337 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:36.440 not deny our Gladio links, let's embrace it fully, which, 338 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:40.759 by the way, Gladio doesn't actually work like that to 339 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:43.319 a lot of people. You don't actually announce your Gladio 340 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:46.599 or announce that your Angleton Press, because that was the 341 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:49.240 name of like the press that he first started. So 342 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:53.039 I think he like incorporated the de trou stuff, incorporated 343 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:56.799 all of the sort of you know, mother of Darkness, Castle, 344 00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:01.359 the whole conspiracy around you know what you've read in 345 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:05.720 like David Gallon's book, the first chapter in Pedocracy, he 346 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:09.799 incorporated all that stuff into you know, the Temple of 347 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:15.359 Blood and wrote a dystopic novel called Iron Gates, which 348 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:17.319 which he wanted, Like I said, he wanted the dread, 349 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:19.359 he wanted the blood, and he wanted it to be 350 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:23.839 more edgy than nine A, which practically, I mean, it's bad. 351 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:27.039 It It does have stuff like calling, it does have 352 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:30.400 some other like you know, bad stuff, but it's practically 353 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:33.039 just chaos magic mixed with her meticism, with a little 354 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:37.920 bit of Arabian uh, you know, astromagic and planetary magic 355 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:41.759 such as the Sectenary system. It's it's not good per se, 356 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:44.400 but it's not as bad, let's just say as Temple 357 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:46.480 of Blood. His Temple of Blood is just balls to 358 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:51.400 the wall kind of fanatical and extremism. And so I think, 359 00:19:51.480 --> 00:19:54.759 you know, Sutter wanted to accelerate even more than Mayat 360 00:19:54.799 --> 00:19:57.799 wanted to accelerate against what he I guess called the 361 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:02.079 Meijian world and U Another thing I think he added 362 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:05.960 to it was the vampirism. That was another thing, even 363 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:08.960 though that was not original. The Church of Satan had 364 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:12.720 the whole cult of the vampire, but they sort of 365 00:20:12.799 --> 00:20:15.680 extended it further as being like this psychic vampire, which, 366 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:19.000 by the way, they burned from a German guy named 367 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:22.680 George Virick where they came up with like this this 368 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:27.599 whole thing the Drekians or the Vampire Order. So he 369 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:29.200 incorporated a lot of that stuff. So that was sort 370 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:32.079 of the difference between Sutter and Mayan. He kind of 371 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:35.000 owned that he was a snitch and that he was 372 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:38.000 like an informant, and he was you know, he was 373 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:39.920 like he was in your face. Which, by the way, 374 00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:42.799 I want to explain to the audience that may not 375 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:46.960 know why Sutter snitched, there is actually a reason why 376 00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:50.119 he snitched is because there was a guy named Scott 377 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:54.160 Thornton and there was like another guy called Morris Gulett 378 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:56.640 who was a CI minister that was affiliated with the 379 00:20:56.680 --> 00:21:00.400 Arian Nation, and so Sutter wanted to burn them and 380 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:03.200 that's partially why. And they they're alleged to have set 381 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:05.440 him up for a gun charge. That's kind of the 382 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:08.480 reason why, you know, he went on a bender and 383 00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:11.680 just basically said, you know, fuck the Arian Nation, fuck 384 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:16.000 all this stuff, and let's just inforum on like people. 385 00:21:16.400 --> 00:21:18.359 You know, I'm just saying that's kind of his rationale 386 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:20.759 y logifying it. And also I think he's an egoist 387 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:24.839 kind of Satanist. Perhaps that is like perhaps like sort 388 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:25.880 of his logic. 389 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:29.200 Okay, I thought you were trying to build to some 390 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:32.240 sort of actual reason, Like I guess that is the 391 00:21:32.279 --> 00:21:35.559 reason his reason, that's it. I thought you were gonna 392 00:21:35.599 --> 00:21:38.400 be like ahead of on this or like something of like. Okay. 393 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:40.759 I was like that you were building towards Okay. I 394 00:21:40.759 --> 00:21:44.160 could sympathize with that somewhat. And but nope, not at all. 395 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:44.519 Okay. 396 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:46.440 And I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you some 397 00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:49.519 of the things people leave out when they're talking about 398 00:21:49.559 --> 00:21:52.920 Sutter is that I suppose there was a reason why 399 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:55.680 he you know, in forum for the FBI. I mean, 400 00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:58.519 if if I was involved with certain kind of thing, 401 00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:01.519