Speaker 1: I've Bill cunning in the Great America. One of the
Speaker 1: great reasons that so many of the American people have
Speaker 1: put Donald Trump in office is to stop the madness
Speaker 1: when it comes to all these windmills and solar panels
Speaker 1: from communist Red Shawnt, etc. And the lower the price
Speaker 1: of energy. We have an energy demand which is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: In fact, when you talk to the so called experts,
Speaker 1: because of AI, every year we're going to have a
Speaker 1: five to seven percent increase in the need for electricity.
Speaker 1: And every year, because of cutbacks and brown outs and blackouts,
Speaker 1: we have a five to seven percent decrease of energy production,
Speaker 1: which is a major problem. We hope the problem has
Speaker 1: been solved. But Sterling Burnett, PhD is the director of
Speaker 1: the Robinson Center on Climate and Environmental Policy at the
Speaker 1: Heartland Institute. And Sterling Burnett, welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show.
Speaker 1: And first of all, let's talk about the road that
Speaker 1: was taken before we get to what's going to happen
Speaker 1: in the future. Tell me the Biden energy policy and
Speaker 1: how that increase costs for all of the American people,
Speaker 1: gave us less electricity, fewer jobs, and in bold in China,
Speaker 1: let's assume that Kamala Harris had won the road, thank god,
Speaker 1: not taking what were what was the Biden policy on
Speaker 1: energy and things of that character.
Speaker 2: Well, the Biden policy was for Americans to live less,
Speaker 2: to live less well, to pay more for goods and
Speaker 2: services that depend on energy. Energy is the lifeblood of economy.
Speaker 2: Everyone thinks about energy when they turn on their lives
Speaker 2: till they drive their car. But energy goes into everything.
Speaker 2: If you get food, it was grown using a lot
Speaker 2: of energy, and it was transported using a lot of energy.
Speaker 2: If you wear clothes, they were if they're probably you know,
Speaker 2: any kind of unnatural fiber, non natural fiber, they were.
Speaker 2: They were. They were produced using oil and gas and
Speaker 2: of course shipped manufactured. Everything uses energy as an opponent.
Speaker 2: Plastics six thousand plastics produced by all and Biden and
Speaker 2: Harris did everything they could to raise the price of that.
Speaker 2: And they're so called, you know, in their idiotic fight
Speaker 2: against climate change and climate change America.
Speaker 1: You know, every now and then it's so cold where
Speaker 1: I live in the Midwest. I could use some global
Speaker 1: warming right now. It'd be a good thing. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine how cold it would be without global warming. But
Speaker 1: the plan was this a I can't imagine having a policy.
Speaker 1: Get in Get in the heads of a leftist. If
Speaker 1: you can, doctor Burnette, you're in the head of a
Speaker 1: leftist right now. You're Kamala Harris's energy provider, and you're
Speaker 1: sitting in the White House now for about a week
Speaker 1: and you're in charge. Are you thinking, you know what
Speaker 1: we need to live less? Well, we need to pay
Speaker 1: more for gasoline, oil, natural gas, we need to cut
Speaker 1: off LNG exports, we need to put out of work
Speaker 1: and those on the Keystone pipeline. Is that what a
Speaker 1: leftist actually thinks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is what they actually think. They think
Speaker 2: they think. No, it's not that we need to it's
Speaker 2: that the other people need to sacrifice for the causes
Speaker 2: we are important. Remember, Kamala Harris isn't suffering, Biden, isn't
Speaker 2: suffering Obama. They don't suffer. They pay the higher cost,
Speaker 2: but they can absorb the higher cost. They think other
Speaker 2: people must sacrifice. The poor in America must sacrifice to
Speaker 2: pay off corrupt politicians and developing countries to satisfy their
Speaker 2: elite friends. They take their private jets and they don't
Speaker 2: want us to travel at all. That's what they truly believe.
Speaker 2: They many of them are what you call they're missing tropic.
Speaker 2: But they think there are too many people on Earth.
Speaker 2: They think the problem is too many people and too
Speaker 2: much consumption. So people suffering, that's no problem with them.
Speaker 2: They talk a good game, Oh we're for the poor,
Speaker 2: we're for the workers, and then they do everything they
Speaker 2: can to make it worse for the poor and the workers.
Speaker 2: So you have to look at their actions, not their words,
Speaker 2: to figure out what's really going on.
Speaker 1: In our head. As far as the climate risks, it's
Speaker 1: almost a biblical belief they have that the climate is
Speaker 1: affected by human activity causing man made global warming resulting
Speaker 1: in climate change. And if one would take the last
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty years of the Industrial age, I'm
Speaker 1: told that the average temperature on Earth's gone up and
Speaker 1: maybe as much as two degrees fahrenheit. And that is
Speaker 1: the judgment of those doing the measurement who wanted to
Speaker 1: find result. If you know what I mean, how much
Speaker 1: of a risk to me, Tony Bender and others is
Speaker 1: man made global warming that is causing all these climate risks?
Speaker 1: How much of a risk is it?
Speaker 2: So ask yourself this, If you step outside today and
Speaker 2: the temperature goes up two degree? Do you die?
Speaker 1: No, it's a good thing.
Speaker 2: Most people. Most people in fact, when they retire, where
Speaker 2: they don't retire as much as beautiful plays. It may
Speaker 2: be is Minnesota or North Dakota, they typically retire down
Speaker 2: south where it's warmer. Warmer is better for human life,
Speaker 2: Warmer is better for biological diversity. In the end, a
Speaker 2: warmer world is a better world. And we're not warming
Speaker 2: that much. CO two is plant food, So we're feeding
Speaker 2: more people than ever before in history. We have fewer
Speaker 2: deaths tied to temperatures than ever before in history. We
Speaker 2: have fewer people day as a result of natural disasters
Speaker 2: than ever before in history. So you have to show
Speaker 2: me where climate change is making anything worse? And does
Speaker 2: the data not the headlines, not what people the so
Speaker 2: called expert say. The data does not back up the
Speaker 2: claim that we face a climate crisis. And that's what
Speaker 2: Trump recognized. That's the hoax Trump calls out when he
Speaker 2: calls climate change a hoax.
Speaker 1: You know, doctor Sterling Burnette, when I watched Jim Acosta
Speaker 1: and CNN who kind of lost his gig. But nonetheless,
Speaker 1: it just seems like there's more hurricanes. It just seems
Speaker 1: like there's more tornadoes. It just seems like there's more wildfires, seams.
Speaker 1: Everything's getting worse. Going to hell in a handbasket?
Speaker 2: Is it? Is it worse? It's we're able to track
Speaker 2: them better. Where there's a lot more reporting, you know,
Speaker 2: twenty four hours seven reporting used to if a tornado
Speaker 2: happened in the middle of Kansas or the panhandle of
Speaker 2: Texas and it didn't strike a town or a house,
Speaker 2: no one knew about it. Now you have radar that
Speaker 2: sees every little hurricane, that tornado that forms, regardless of
Speaker 2: whether it ever impacts any place. You get tornado warnings.
Speaker 2: I get tornado I live in I live in Dallas.
Speaker 2: I've lived here most of my life. When I didn't
Speaker 2: live here, I live in Ohio, which was also part
Speaker 2: of a tornado alley. Know. I know tornadoes, very familiar
Speaker 2: with tornadoes. I get tornado warnings all the time. I
Speaker 2: probably have ten of a year. I haven't my town
Speaker 2: the day after Christmas, about eight years ago, had tornado
Speaker 2: struck about half a mile from me, That's the only
Speaker 2: one that came anywhere close to my house. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: even have known about them, except for the one that
Speaker 2: was nearest me years ago, because they wouldn't have been
Speaker 2: reporting on it because they didn't know it. They didn't
Speaker 2: know the radar didn't track the little funnel coming down
Speaker 2: right until it did some damage, until it hurts somebody,
Speaker 2: And even then, if it was just one small farm
Speaker 2: that got rocked out, you may never have known it.
Speaker 2: C and N didn't exist twenty four hours day. Cable
Speaker 2: news weather channels are a relatively recent invention. So it's
Speaker 2: not that any of this stuff is getting worse because
Speaker 2: the data. Once again, I would quaye go back to this,
Speaker 2: because that's what science is built on. The data don't
Speaker 2: show that these things are happening more frequently, or when
Speaker 2: they do occur, that they're more palaul than they've ever
Speaker 2: been before.
Speaker 1: H So you know one of the things I saw
Speaker 1: on Fox News the alarmists, Yeah, the alarmist because aren't
Speaker 1: people paid to hold these opinions? In other words, much
Speaker 1: like DEI, which is die there's an eight billion dollar
Speaker 1: industry built or around DEI and the college is universities,
Speaker 1: many major businesses costco for example, a lot of people
Speaker 1: are getting paid and so when lots of people are
Speaker 1: paid lots of money. Guess what there's going to be
Speaker 1: man made climate change causing global warming.
Speaker 2: Correct, Well, if it wasn't climate, if it wasn't global warming,
Speaker 2: it was global cooling. Look, the environmentalists have had scare
Speaker 2: stories going back since the turn of the twentieth century,
Speaker 2: and the story is always the same. Humans. It's the
Speaker 2: Bible story, human sin. In this case, they developed energy,
Speaker 2: and you have to repent your sin. You need to
Speaker 2: get rid of the energy. No matter what the crisis is,
Speaker 2: whether it was global cooling in the seventies and the
Speaker 2: next Ice Age, whether it was intocrene disruptors in the
Speaker 2: early eighties that were going to make it impossible for
Speaker 2: humans to have children, it was clean, it was air
Speaker 2: and water in the sixties. The problem is always the same,
Speaker 2: humans consuming too much. And their answer is always the same,
Speaker 2: bigger and bigger government, to control your lives, to dictate
Speaker 2: to you. Those things are common whatever the environmental problem is.
Speaker 2: And the other thing that's always the same is academics
Speaker 2: and the media raking in a lot of money on it.
Speaker 2: If the environmental scares go away, funding to these academics
Speaker 2: goes away as well. Their whole careers are built on disaster,
Speaker 2: big business and for the media, look, it's not new.
Speaker 2: If it bleeds, it leads. If they had to report
Speaker 2: nothing bad happened today, many.
Speaker 1: Times I talked to those in the news and saying, well,
Speaker 1: we have to report something at six o'clock. They got
Speaker 1: to find something that's going on. One of the best
Speaker 1: things I saw in a congressional hearing about three months
Speaker 1: ago was my favorite senator or Senator John Kennedy Louisiana,
Speaker 1: and he is a panel of experts, what percent of
Speaker 1: the atmosphere is CO two? And these were experts supposedly
Speaker 1: from academia, and they were giving numbers like one percent,
Speaker 1: five percent, seventeen percent, one percent of the actual atmosphere
Speaker 1: of mother Earth is CO two.
Speaker 2: Well, a small fraction. CO two is probably less than
Speaker 2: one percent. If you talk about the percentage of CO
Speaker 2: two as the greenhouset. Remember, greenhouse gases are only a
Speaker 2: small part of the atmosphere, right, And the dominant greenhouse
Speaker 2: gas ninety six to ninety seven percent of the greenhouse
Speaker 2: gays in the appophere is water vapor, right, correct, So
Speaker 2: so CO two and methane and all those of the
Speaker 2: greenhouse gass you hear about are are two to three
Speaker 2: percent of the atmosphere. Are two to three percent of
Speaker 2: the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, which is a small
Speaker 2: fraction of all the gases in the appal Well.
Speaker 1: Senator Kennedy had a government expert that admitted that the
Speaker 1: percentage of CO two in the appmisphere is somewhere between
Speaker 1: point zero three and point zero four. For those who
Speaker 1: may not have a math background, that is well less
Speaker 1: than one tenth of one percent. So if you take
Speaker 1: an inch divided by ten, then go down to point
Speaker 1: oh three of that. That's the percentage of CO two
Speaker 1: in the atmosphere, which is part of methane, which is
Speaker 1: a good thing, and it is not a significant part.
Speaker 1: In fact, Mother Earth itself will regulate by itself methane
Speaker 1: and CO two in the atmosphere by what it does.
Speaker 2: And one might.
Speaker 1: Add doctor Sterling Burnett I read in a scientific journal
Speaker 1: that the wildfires in California have now put more CO
Speaker 1: two in particulate matter in the atmosphere that's been so
Speaker 1: called saved by California in the past twenty eight years.
Speaker 1: So you have one wildfire and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: all the priuses that are driven don't matter anymore anyway,
Speaker 1: because Mother Earth regulates, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now, you know, And these as bad as terrible
Speaker 2: as they are because where they're located, you know, right
Speaker 2: in the populated Los Angeles area. These are small wildfires
Speaker 2: compared to some of the wildfires that have happened in
Speaker 2: California in recent years. You know, these are twenty forty
Speaker 2: seven thousand acres, but they've had you know, millions of
Speaker 2: acres burning in the last few years at wildfires have
Speaker 2: put out more. All the sacrifices, all the sacrifices, the
Speaker 2: lack of energy, the jobs lost, the people moving out
Speaker 2: of the state because it's losing population largely do the
Speaker 2: high energy cost, high housing costs, all the regulations. None
Speaker 2: of that has done anything to prevent any climate change
Speaker 2: at all, and it won't America. America picked to borrow
Speaker 2: the President Trump and go tomar And if there were
Speaker 2: a light switch, turn off all the energy in the US,
Speaker 2: and emissions would continue to climb. And it's not a
Speaker 2: bad thing. You know what, During the last ice age,
Speaker 2: we dip down to one hundred and eighty parts per
Speaker 2: million of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. Plants stop photosynthesis.
Speaker 2: They die at one hundred and fifty parts the atmosphere.
Speaker 2: So we were in danger of all life on Earth.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't due to global warming. It was due
Speaker 2: to global cooling and too little CO two. At CO
Speaker 2: two not come back after the ice age to two
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty parts per million, we'd be in bad shape, right,
Speaker 2: And most of the plants on most of the life
Speaker 2: on Earth, most of the plants on Earth, evolved at
Speaker 2: a time when CO two was much higher in the
Speaker 2: atmosphere than it is now. Four hundred and twenty parts
Speaker 2: per million is not a danger to anyone all of us.
Speaker 1: You know, all of us are against pollutants. I'm against pollution,
Speaker 1: but I'm in favor of economic development. Lastly, the left's
Speaker 1: going crazy because of the Paris climbing of cords, which
Speaker 1: is ending Chinese controlled renewable energy. Explain how the Chinese
Speaker 1: are making money out of this deal.
Speaker 2: Well, the Chinese weren't bound by anything. They didn't have
Speaker 2: to cut their emission under the Pair's Climate Court. They
Speaker 2: said that at some point in the future they expect
Speaker 2: they will peak commissions. But if they peak a double
Speaker 2: where they are now, and they're already more than double
Speaker 2: what the US puts out, more than what the entire
Speaker 2: developed world puts out. Then it wouldn't matter even if
Speaker 2: you believe CO two was causing climate change, because they
Speaker 2: would swamp anything, any sacrifices we make. So they were
Speaker 2: going on their merry way putting out CO two, and
Speaker 2: then they were selling us green technology, so called so
Speaker 2: called green technologies, and our energy systems were becoming dependent
Speaker 2: upon Chinese technology, Chinese critical minerals, and you know to
Speaker 2: the extent that those are built in the Chips. Let's
Speaker 2: say that Chinese didn't like us all of a sudden
Speaker 2: and war broke out, they might be able to turn
Speaker 2: off our technologies and minerals. It was crazy. It is
Speaker 2: crazy to make your electrical grid and your transportation system
Speaker 2: dependent on min rules technologies that come from a country
Speaker 2: that is not your ally but is your enemy. No.
Speaker 1: In fact, getting out of the Paris climate, that's that's
Speaker 1: what they did. And thank god Trump did that, because
Speaker 1: without that, we'd have more of these battery plants built
Speaker 1: by the communists, red Chinese in Mexico to sell us
Speaker 1: cheap evs that were mandated. I can only imagine if
Speaker 1: we'd gone through four years of Joe Biden, then eight
Speaker 1: years of Kamala Harris, then four years of Governor Tim
Speaker 1: Watz as the vice president to be reelected. We're done,
Speaker 1: it's over. We're going to turn over our economy to
Speaker 1: the Red Chinese. It was a great thing. Once again,
Speaker 1: Doctor Sterling Burnett, you're the climate environmental policy at the
Speaker 1: Heartland Institute. And how many times is CBS, NBC, ABC
Speaker 1: or PBS or The New York Times put your thoughts
Speaker 1: of the Heartland Institute's thoughts in their stories? Does that
Speaker 1: ever happen?
Speaker 2: Very very rarely, because they decided about a decade ago
Speaker 2: that there was no debate and they were going to
Speaker 2: they were no longer going to cover this ing voices
Speaker 2: on climate matters. So I won't say it never happens,
Speaker 2: but when it does, it's never complementary.
Speaker 1: Something's wrong with you. You're not thinking right. We went
Speaker 1: to Chinese.
Speaker 2: Do what they do is they try and compare us
Speaker 2: the Holocaust deniers they cause climate deniers. They say we're
Speaker 2: holding up progress on climate change. No, we're defending American
Speaker 2: prosperity and American's freedom to choose.
Speaker 1: Well, until Starship Enterprise shows up with the lithium crystals,
Speaker 1: we're going to have to rely upon coal and natural
Speaker 1: gas and oil for a long time, hundreds of years,
Speaker 1: and we have the supply. And don't believe what the
Speaker 1: mainstream media tells you, because a lot of it is
Speaker 1: a bunch of lies. And you just laid it out.
Speaker 1: And once again, doctor Sterling Burnett, PhD, the Heartland Institute,
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. And
Speaker 1: doctor Burnett, you're a great American. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, sir, have a good day, and God.
Speaker 1: Bless God, bless America. Let's continue with more of the truth.
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