WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:01.600 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that 2 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:03.879 I've been on for most of my life. Ever since 3 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:05.799 I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and 4 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.320 wild men while spending time with my friends and family. 5 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:11.439 As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, 6 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:14.679 my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened. 7 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.160 That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 8 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:21.640 I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The 9 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:25.280 Untold Radio Network is a live streaming podcast network that 10 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.359 airs a new show every day across all podcast platforms, YouTube, 11 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.119 and more. 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It's free to subscribe. 21 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.400 So what are you waiting for visit www dot untold 22 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:06.560 radionetwork dot com today. 23 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.680 Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going 24 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:12.120 on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to 25 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:12.840 kill your dog? 26 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:14.040 My dog. 27 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:16.159 We're flying through there over the tree. I don't know 28 00:01:16.200 --> 00:01:21.439 how it did it? Okay, damn, I'm really confused. All 29 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:23.239 I saw was my dog coming over the fence, and 30 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:25.400 name was dead once you hit the grill. I didn't 31 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:27.319 see any cars. All I saw was my dog coming 32 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:46.959 over the fence. Sat, what are you reporting? We got 33 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:57.640 some wonder or something crawling around out here? Did you 34 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:00.680 see what it was? It was enough here. Look, I'm 35 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:02.439 new to window now and I don't need anything. I 36 00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:10.560 don't want to go outside. It is fit. Hello, hit 37 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:12.919 the boddy out here? What quin on out there? It's 38 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:15.639 thought of a mention about text nine. I don't know. 39 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:18.039 Easy annount there. Yeah, I'm welcome right. 40 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:22.039 Heady, Welcome back everyone. I've got a very special episode 41 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:24.479 for you today, one that I've been looking forward to 42 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:28.120 for a long time. If you're a fan of bigfoot research, 43 00:02:28.439 --> 00:02:31.560 the Sierra Sounds, or just the pursuit of the unknown, 44 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:34.840 you're in for a treat. I had the privilege of 45 00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:38.080 sitting down face to face with none other than Ron Moorehead, 46 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:41.639 a man whose name is synonymous with the legendary Sierra 47 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:45.439 Camp recordings. From the late nineteen sixties through the mid 48 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:48.400 nineteen seventies, Ron was part of a small group that 49 00:02:48.520 --> 00:02:51.800 documented some of the most compelling audio evidence ever captured 50 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:55.759 in the world of sasquatch research. In this interview, Ron 51 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:58.800 takes us deep into those early days, how they set 52 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:01.759 up their recording equipment, where the microphones were placed, in 53 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:05.039 relation to their makeshift shelter, and the challenges they faced 54 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:09.000 while capturing these incredible sounds. But that's just the beginning. 55 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:12.560 I also press Ron on some of the tougher questions, 56 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:16.759 the footprint evidence, the authenticity of the sounds, and the 57 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:21.240 scientific scrutiny surrounding them. We discussed the work of Scott Nelson, 58 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:25.520 a former military linguist who has analyzed these recordings in detail, 59 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:29.800 as well as doctor Curlin's findings, and yes, I ask 60 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:33.080 the big question, will Scott Nelson submit his research for 61 00:03:33.120 --> 00:03:36.879 peer review? But perhaps the biggest highlight of this episode 62 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:41.199 is something truly special. Over six minutes of never before 63 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:45.280 released vocalizations recorded by Al Berry in nineteen seventy two. 64 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:50.000 These sounds have never been made public until now, and 65 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:54.240 let me tell you they are something else. During our conversation, 66 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:57.280 Ron also mentioned some exciting work he's been doing with 67 00:03:57.319 --> 00:04:01.400 Brett Eichenberger and Jill Rimmen Snyder, the creative minds behind 68 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:05.319 the documentary A Flash of Beauty. They are actively working 69 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:08.400 with Ron to bring even more of these unreleased recordings 70 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:12.199 into the public eye in their new documentary. I've been 71 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:14.520 in touch with both Brett and Jill, and once their 72 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:17.079 latest project is ready, I plan to have them on 73 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:20.600 the show to dive deeper into what they've uncovered. I'm 74 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:23.759 still reviewing twenty more minutes of recordings and what you'll 75 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:27.319 hear today is just the beginning. And trust me, there 76 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:29.720 are some nuggets in this conversation that I don't think 77 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:34.120 Ron has ever addressed before. So sit back, get comfortable, 78 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:37.000 and prepare yourself for an interview that dives deep into 79 00:04:37.079 --> 00:04:42.959 the history, the mystery, and the evidence behind the Sierra Sounds. Ron, 80 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:45.720 first and foremost, thanks so much for inviting me here. 81 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:47.759 It is great to be here in the great state 82 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:52.480 of North Carolina talking about the Sierra Sounds. Let's get 83 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:55.360 the full picture for everybody. Can you take us back 84 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:58.160 to what these guys were experiencing up there and how 85 00:04:58.199 --> 00:05:00.199 you got involved in the camp. 86 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:02.959 Sure, thank you, Brian. Yeah, it started for me in 87 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:07.079 nineteen seventy one. I was involved with some hunters. They 88 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:09.439 came out with a story about these things coming around 89 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:12.839 the camp. This is incident about a mollains between Alec 90 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:15.680 Tahoe and Yosemite. The two brothers are gone up that 91 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:18.439 summer into this camp, which is about eighty four hundred 92 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:22.360 feet in elevation and eight miles into the wilderness or 93 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:24.959 a remote area. But that's where they got The deer 94 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:27.600 hunting camp had been since sinety fifty eight for the 95 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:31.160 Johnson brothers, and they came out with this story. There 96 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:33.439 was something besides bear messing with them up there. At night. 97 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:35.680 They went out when the commotion was over with, and 98 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:38.800 I saw these huge tracks in the mud there. Donald 99 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:40.879 wouldn't go back by himself. He invited me to go 100 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:43.639 back with him, just because didn't like what happened at all. 101 00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:45.279 He didn't know where to put that in his paradigm. 102 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:48.800 His religion said that giants don't exist anymore. They're just 103 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:52.040 in the Bible and somewhere like that. They went back up. 104 00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:54.360 The guys were okay, so we went out. I started 105 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:56.360 going back as often as I could get somebody go 106 00:05:56.439 --> 00:06:00.240 with me that nineteen seventy one several times, I don't 107 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:03.040 remember how many times, but we all started taking tape 108 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:06.279 recorders up there and started recording The winner of nineteen 109 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:09.199 seventy two. Warren Johnson, the leader of our group. He 110 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:14.560 wrote Ivan Sanderson, cryptozoologist. Ivan Sanderson thought he was probably 111 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:17.279 having his leg pool or something, so he contacted Peter 112 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:18.720 Burns said, I don't know if it's anything to this 113 00:06:18.879 --> 00:06:20.720 or not, but he thought it was a hoax. Peter 114 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:23.759 read the twenty three page later from one he thought 115 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:26.800 it was a hoax also, however, because that don't happen, 116 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:31.199 I have repeated visits like that anyway. Peter knew a 117 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:34.839 man named Al Berry who worked for a record Searchlight 118 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:38.079 newspaper in read in California. Totally if he wanted to 119 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:39.800 go down and check it out, he could, but too 120 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:41.480 far away for him to go down there just see 121 00:06:41.480 --> 00:06:44.199 if it was good or not. All actually thinking the 122 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:46.120 same thing. And I didn't know all this until later 123 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:49.199 years when I've seen the correspondence between them all. Al 124 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:51.160 came down and interviewed us Hall and asked if he 125 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:53.600 to go up. And so in nineteen seventy two when 126 00:06:53.639 --> 00:06:56.079 we could get back in, Warren Johnson took me back 127 00:06:56.079 --> 00:06:59.199 in and we'll started going back and he started experiencing 128 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:02.360 the same thing. He was trying to find out who 129 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:04.240 could be pulling our leg way back in the middle 130 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:06.680 of nowhere and leaving no signs except for their tracks 131 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:10.839 and sounds they were recorded. Albert was recording also, we 132 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:12.680 were all recording, so we had a lot of redundancy 133 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:15.680 in the sounds. This went on seventy one actually all 134 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:19.759 the way through seventy six. Repeated to visits, not every time, 135 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:23.839 but many times in seventy two, seventy four right in there, 136 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:26.360 and it wasn't until seventy four when I actually saw 137 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:30.279 one very elusive. They're very fast. I was recorded at 138 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:32.480 the same time, so therefore I got to see what 139 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:34.240 made the sound. So they say, if you don't see 140 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:36.199 what made the sound, you don't know what made the sound. 141 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:39.199 He's been accused of all kinds of things. Albery. He's 142 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:40.959 one that kind of pro concused, the one that's trying 143 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:43.279 to go out and try to solicit some professionals to 144 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:46.800 study the sounds. He went to a little Belieberman at 145 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:49.759 Brown University, first in phil Flaud. He was a former 146 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:51.399 student trying to make fun of him or something, and 147 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:55.319 he's a congressive researcher and said that he wouldn't do it. 148 00:07:55.920 --> 00:07:58.879 I finally found the professor Kurlin at the University of Wyoming, 149 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:02.040 who took a lot unbiasedly. I'll just wanted he wanted 150 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:03.920 to get a professional hind and say it's either fake 151 00:08:04.040 --> 00:08:07.000 or it's real. Doctor Kerwin did a year long study, 152 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:09.720 gave his report at the University of a British Columbia 153 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:14.480 nineteen seventy six, I think it was. He wrote it 154 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:16.560 in a paper that was posted in a book A 155 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:20.720 Man Like Monsters on Trial nineteen eighty or UCB Press. 156 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:23.319 Anybody wanted to see that would have to get that 157 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:26.480 book and read the paper. He concluded after a year 158 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:29.360 long study there was no fowel making. It was all 159 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:33.200 legitimate stuff. It hadn't been slowed down, speeded up. There 160 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:36.120 was no sixty cycle Holme minute. There was nothing else. 161 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:39.840 There was legitimate, real he said. On one clip of 162 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:43.320 it represented an animal eight foot tall, eight foot two. 163 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:45.200 I think he said something like compared to the human 164 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:48.279 vocal mechanism, So that kind of put it up there, 165 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:50.480 but not enough for academia, because I still think it's 166 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:53.600 an ape in the woods, right, and we all did 167 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:57.200 too at the time. Didn't realize just how significant all 168 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:01.240 this was until modern times we saw it all started 169 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:03.120 looking around up there while he was there, all did 170 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:05.080 to you, still trying to figure out how anybody could 171 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:08.159 do this, And that was before current said it was 172 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:10.600 above the human range, and a lot of it was anyway. 173 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:13.159 We started going out and talking about it after that 174 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:17.279 in different conferences and places all over the United States actually, 175 00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:20.000 but still couldn't answer the odyssey that went with it. 176 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:22.759 There were some strange things went on up there besides 177 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:27.519 the organizations, strange lights, strange sounds that wouldn't language at all. 178 00:09:27.559 --> 00:09:30.720 It was. I talked about this my first book of 179 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:33.600 Voices in a Wilderness. But there's more to it. There's 180 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:35.519 just more to it where you're still looking how an 181 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:37.960 ape could do this. We didn't realize that only humans 182 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:41.200 have the vocal mechanism for spoken language like I'm doing now. 183 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:45.480 That was revealed in actually Philip Lieberman's paper his only 184 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:50.440 humans have the cognitive ability to speak like with morphine streams. 185 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:52.799 It wasn't until two thousand and eight till a crypto 186 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:55.840 linguist was trained by the Navy as a crypto linguist. 187 00:09:56.200 --> 00:09:59.000 It's been his career in the Navy. It desidherim transcribing 188 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:02.840 the foreign silence. It's either codes or language, and determine 189 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:04.799 if it was a language. He got a hold of 190 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:07.120 the sounds by accident and came out and interviewed me 191 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:11.279 and Albery both got the context behind the sounds. Ask 192 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:14.080 the stadium. We let him. He came back and says, 193 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:16.919 this is spoken language. By the human definition of language, 194 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:19.720 it means a morphine stream of words. It means cognitive 195 00:10:19.759 --> 00:10:23.080 ability like we're talking now. I know that animals, supposely, 196 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:25.840 not a whale, not a dolphin, nothing has that abilities 197 00:10:25.879 --> 00:10:30.879 of us as humans. That's established by Philip Liberman actually, 198 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:34.159 and he said that only humans have that bok mechanism. 199 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:36.919 That's a highly bulon with the tongue of nervous system 200 00:10:36.919 --> 00:10:41.360 into the brain to say innumerable amount of words. So 201 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:43.600 that put it over the edge for me right there. 202 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:46.440 If that's the case, you got those three bullet points 203 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:49.240 you got doctor Curlin saying it's out the human range. Outside, 204 00:10:49.879 --> 00:10:53.000 you got Scott Nelson the crypto language, who says it's 205 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:56.080 a spoken language. Then you got doctor Philip Lieberman says 206 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:57.919 it's only humans have that, So it has to have 207 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:00.440 a human component, and that's where I go with it. 208 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:03.799 I didn't really realize all that until years later when 209 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:07.279 I called this promission together for my studies. So it's 210 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:09.000 certainly put me on a hunt for how they did 211 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:12.279 what they did. They did some really strange things and 212 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:15.320 had some really strange things go on up there. So 213 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:18.200 I got out of the Newtonian physics which were all 214 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:21.399 raised in which sixteen eighty seven, we know the things 215 00:11:21.399 --> 00:11:24.120 that are all fall easier to the fall, you can 216 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:27.600 measure anything, it's all predictable. That's what we live in 217 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:30.879 our third dimensional environment. So that's how it got started 218 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:33.080 for me, and I got me on a a worldwide 219 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:35.799 wind check other countries out and see what's going on 220 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:36.200 with them. 221 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:38.679 Let's talk a little bit about your siding when you 222 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:40.440 got to see these things, because that's one of the 223 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:42.720 things I did was get some questions from the audience, 224 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:44.440 and that was one of the questions that the audience 225 00:11:44.519 --> 00:11:47.399 had was did you or any of the other guys 226 00:11:47.440 --> 00:11:50.799 that were up there see what you were interacting with? 227 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:52.720 Clearly you did that. Can you talk a little bit 228 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:54.519 about that set up the scene for us and talk 229 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:56.279 about what you saw and what you experienced. 230 00:11:56.600 --> 00:11:59.080 Sure was the night I recorded the Simuri cry that 231 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:02.759 called it fineteen seventy four. Bill and I he was 232 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:05.399 our packer. We just got into camp, and these things. 233 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:07.840 We're at the camp when we got there, so they 234 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:10.159 obviously knew where it was going. And we put thought 235 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:12.240 all together from other signs we saw on the way 236 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:15.639 in just before was it was dusk but not dark. 237 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:18.279 We heard the pounding. They're cracking on the rocks and 238 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:21.879 coating they give with whoops, whooping sounds, and we knew 239 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:23.720 we was in for it then, but we still outside 240 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:26.200 the shelter. Normally they wouldn't interact with us until we 241 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:28.639 were inside the shelter. We had which was a group 242 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:30.559 of trees that grew in a circle. We wrapped our 243 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:32.679 cables around it. I didn't, but it was done before 244 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:35.519 I was went up there. Put classic over the top 245 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:37.120 of it, so that gets you out of the weather 246 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:41.200 and dead, folding it up against the cables. Anyway, they 247 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:44.879 started messing with us, chattering stuff like that. I said, 248 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:47.080 messing with this, that's what they do and mess with 249 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:49.679 I think that they know more about their woods than 250 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:51.960 we do. They do. It was an exciting night and 251 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:55.039 I heard that thing. Well, we was hearing two of 252 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:56.919 them chatter. We think it's too ado, less than a 253 00:12:56.919 --> 00:13:00.159 female down below by the creek. And then behind this 254 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:03.480 was a semurai cry goes on and actually that money 255 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:05.600 maker he coined that when he heard first heard these 256 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:07.840 sounds and the ninety five I think it was. That 257 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:10.200 night was a big night. I saw this thing shoot 258 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:13.279 down through the trees. Could not give you any definition 259 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:15.399 on it, but it was fast. It was by a beetle, 260 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:19.000 and that was very smooth, very fast. That's first and 261 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:20.799 only glimpse I ever got the one that I know 262 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:24.600 of other people. My daughter saw them three times up there. 263 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:27.120 But there's something about got to watch out for you 264 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:30.200 bring a young lady pretty well anything, because the young 265 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:33.279 ones out there and they crossbreed, I believe with indigenous 266 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:37.519 people it's also the Native American lore as they are crossbreed. 267 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:39.200 I think some of them are a little more human 268 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:40.919 like than others, and some of them I may have 269 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:44.200 different abilities than others. I get into how they did 270 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:47.240 what they did because it didn't make sense the Newtonian 271 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:49.519 world that we live in, which is three of us environment. 272 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:53.519 I get reports on these things, they them disappear, and 273 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:56.279 it has to be a scientific answer. Al Burry the 274 00:13:56.279 --> 00:13:58.600 guy we took in there in seventy two and I 275 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:00.840 became friends with him after that, and where we started 276 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:03.679 talking about. He said, don't talk about this strange stuff 277 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:07.000 because you lose people with that stuff, because people can't 278 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:09.480 understand anything outside of what they can see, you feel 279 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:13.360 in touch, and anything material or physical and predictable. Everything 280 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.039 we know of is that way. But that's not true. 281 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:19.159 There's a whole other science out there called quantum science, 282 00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:22.440 and it's acknowledged science, but it's out of our being 283 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:26.159 able to prove it because it's out of our site. 284 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:28.960 You can't see it. Ever, that got me into quantum 285 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:32.039 science and trying to understand the enigma's associated with these beings. 286 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:33.879 I think I've got a lot of the answers put 287 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:36.279 together in my head. Anyway, I don't know if anyone 288 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:38.840 else wants to agree with it. I just encourage people 289 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:40.840 to look into that because it rides on the back 290 00:14:40.919 --> 00:14:44.840 of our Nictonian physics of everything, which is sixteen eighty seven. 291 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:49.600 Quantum science wasn't even established to explain, got the Nobel 292 00:14:49.639 --> 00:14:53.279 Prize in nineteen eighteen for it. Businessests like Einstein have 293 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:56.519 been studying today. You got theoretical physicals. So they've got 294 00:14:56.559 --> 00:14:59.480 to be called theoretical because you can't see it. It's 295 00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:02.159 like ourselves. You can see how that works, but it works. 296 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:05.559 Stay tuned for more sasquatch ot to see. We'll be 297 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:07.360 right back after these messages. 298 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:13.120 A lot of other things work on the back of 299 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:17.320 quantum science. Back Doctor Christopher Prayer at West Texas A 300 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:20.120 and M says, everything from the atom through the cosmos 301 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:22.840 works on the laws of quantum physics. It's just things 302 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:25.159 for out there that we don't see, that we don't 303 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:28.240 understand yet. That's because of who we are at humans. 304 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:31.000 We're born into with this restriction. We only go into 305 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:34.200 this environment of this third dimensional density. We only see 306 00:15:34.279 --> 00:15:36.600 within one in thirty and seven and seventy terror herts, 307 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:41.120 that's our frequency, everything everything, So one more time, everything 308 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:44.360 is energy, frequency and vibration. If you don't find the 309 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:47.159 vibration of something that's where you get into everything how 310 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:50.320 things change. Because you can find the vibration of anything, 311 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:53.440 you can change its matter. According to quantum physics. How 312 00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:56.000 does matter change in energy? That was proven by CERN 313 00:15:56.039 --> 00:15:58.879 in twenty twelve when the hydront collide and made energy 314 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:00.600 out of a particle. They learn to how to do 315 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:02.519 a lot of things, and they're learning more and more 316 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:04.600 all the time. And I just want to ride to 317 00:16:04.639 --> 00:16:07.039 Agaway and try to learn more because there's some strange 318 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:09.480 things that going on up there. How do they disappear? 319 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:12.360 That's been told? Everybody just shoves them off. Nothing can 320 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:15.840 disappear if they said it ain't there. Not true. You 321 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:18.840 got doctor Paul de Rock at the Nobel Prize in 322 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:23.600 nineteen thirty three for substantiating antimatter. He called it because 323 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:26.759 there's antimatter and there's matter. That's the direct change between 324 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:30.799 energy and matter. Matter and energy are interchangeable, hands down. 325 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:34.720 That's been established now mathematically was established, but it's also 326 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:38.240 established by a CERN. Get into that and you think 327 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:42.039 if they can find the frequency of their matter, they 328 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:44.720 could change in the energy. Now a lot of people 329 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:46.600 don't want to go with that, but it can happen 330 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:49.919 if they can change the matter energy, they'd go out 331 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:53.039 of our visual perception. We only see within the frequency 332 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:57.159 of learned thirty subment city terrors. That pretty much put 333 00:16:57.159 --> 00:16:59.679 that one out of most people's reach. But a lot 334 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:02.759 of people want to follow that would understand that's possible. 335 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:06.720 But they got to reach some frequency. All these vocalizations 336 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:08.960 we had up there, which are outside the human range, 337 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:12.160 a lot of we don't know how high, because our 338 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:16.440 little cassette recorders wouldn't do that. They wouldn't tell you everything. 339 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:19.880 So that's all we had in those days, real to real, 340 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:21.680 but we never took really real up there, just too 341 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:25.680 much for the mules our saddle bags. So anyway, it 342 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:28.680 was quite an adventure and still is. I don't know 343 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:30.400 if I'll ever get to the bottom of it until 344 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:32.279 one of these things comes out of the woods and says, HI, 345 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:34.759 tells us what they're saying. But they were trying to 346 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:37.440 say something to me that nineteen seventy four before I 347 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:39.759 was fortunate enough to get my cassette recorder out of 348 00:17:39.759 --> 00:17:41.359 the saddle bag and turn it on. 349 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:43.759 I'm glad you mentioned the setup and what you guys 350 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:45.599 were using. That's one of the first questions that I 351 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:47.640 had because I worked with sound all the time. I'm 352 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:51.000 a content creator. I do podcasts, so I'm constantly listening 353 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:55.079 to sounds and what is out there in the zeitgeist. 354 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:58.480 As far as the Sierra sounds, a couple of times 355 00:17:58.519 --> 00:18:01.440 I've heard them and it sounds like you guys are 356 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:05.160 in the shelter and there's times when these creatures are vocalizing. 357 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:07.559 Can you talk a little bit about how you did that, 358 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:10.319 because I've heard it other places that I know. You 359 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:13.319 can google it now and there's like a four minute 360 00:18:13.480 --> 00:18:16.039 thing on YouTube and it sounds almost in some of 361 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:20.039 those clips that you guys are in the same place 362 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:23.039 with these creatures. Can you paint the picture for me 363 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:25.960 and the audience about how this was done. Were you 364 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:29.240 guys recording from inside your shelter or did you have 365 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:32.839 recorders outside where they were closer to the creatures? How 366 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:33.319 did that work? 367 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:36.279 As far as the set up in seventy one, thirty 368 00:18:36.359 --> 00:18:39.640 seventy by, not seventy four, but those years, we had 369 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:42.559 the microphone set in the cracks of the shelter and 370 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:45.319 the recorders were extra our sleeping bags where we're we're playing. 371 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:48.559 They usually when it was outside by the stove which 372 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:52.240 we carried in and put together on mules. We'd wait 373 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:54.680 till we heard a big crack or a sound of 374 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:58.519 some type, because it's very distinctive, very decisive when you 375 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:02.160 hear it. It's not like some bear, some deer stepping on 376 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:05.119 something that's heavy. That's the time we thought let's go in, 377 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:07.519 because we leave food out for him generally, and I 378 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:10.599 take it generally. Once we was inside the shelter, we 379 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:13.880 could turn the tapecros on or off. The night that 380 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:16.119 dal Berry got those very clear ones, which were my 381 00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:19.799 first CD I produced, Dunton Freaks and narrates it. It's 382 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:22.319 integrated with the sounds that he was recording at night. 383 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:24.839 We were all recording, but he got the very best ones. 384 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:26.880 He had it remote it up about forty feet from 385 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:29.920 the shelter. Behind our shelter as on a little pine 386 00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:33.720 tree actually had a turned upside dock to the stereo recorder, 387 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:35.240 but we didn't know that at the time. When you 388 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:37.440 taped the microphone to the tree, one of them was 389 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:39.960 right behind one of those big trees up there. He 390 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:43.599 thinks you are behind a big rock out cropping. I 391 00:19:43.599 --> 00:19:46.400 had some very unique recordings from several other times that 392 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:49.640 I lost in a house fire. Unfortunately, I had my 393 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:53.279 stereo microphone set up. I had a little portable D 394 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:56.400 cell battery. It does operate on stereo, so it was 395 00:19:56.400 --> 00:19:58.200 a little bigger than a cassette, but I could all 396 00:19:58.319 --> 00:20:01.880 it in. I lost all the in the fire. Fortunately, 397 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:04.200 one of them that I had i'd send off after 398 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:06.720 I got back to the seventy four recording. I sent 399 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:08.920 it to al Berry, so I had a copy of it. 400 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:12.200 I didn't lose that one. Bill McDowell who was with me, 401 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:15.559