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Speaker 2: Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
Speaker 2: on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to
Speaker 2: kill your dog?
Speaker 3: My dog.
Speaker 2: We're flying through there over the tree. I don't know
Speaker 2: how it did it? Okay, damn, I'm really confused. All
Speaker 2: I saw was my dog coming over the fence, and
Speaker 2: name was dead once you hit the grill. I didn't
Speaker 2: see any cars. All I saw was my dog coming
Speaker 2: over the fence. Sat, what are you reporting? We got
Speaker 2: some wonder or something crawling around out here? Did you
Speaker 2: see what it was? It was enough here. Look, I'm
Speaker 2: new to window now and I don't need anything. I
Speaker 2: don't want to go outside. It is fit. Hello, hit
Speaker 2: the boddy out here? What quin on out there? It's
Speaker 2: thought of a mention about text nine. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Easy annount there. Yeah, I'm welcome right.
Speaker 1: Heady, Welcome back everyone. I've got a very special episode
Speaker 1: for you today, one that I've been looking forward to
Speaker 1: for a long time. If you're a fan of bigfoot research,
Speaker 1: the Sierra Sounds, or just the pursuit of the unknown,
Speaker 1: you're in for a treat. I had the privilege of
Speaker 1: sitting down face to face with none other than Ron Moorehead,
Speaker 1: a man whose name is synonymous with the legendary Sierra
Speaker 1: Camp recordings. From the late nineteen sixties through the mid
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, Ron was part of a small group that
Speaker 1: documented some of the most compelling audio evidence ever captured
Speaker 1: in the world of sasquatch research. In this interview, Ron
Speaker 1: takes us deep into those early days, how they set
Speaker 1: up their recording equipment, where the microphones were placed, in
Speaker 1: relation to their makeshift shelter, and the challenges they faced
Speaker 1: while capturing these incredible sounds. But that's just the beginning.
Speaker 1: I also press Ron on some of the tougher questions,
Speaker 1: the footprint evidence, the authenticity of the sounds, and the
Speaker 1: scientific scrutiny surrounding them. We discussed the work of Scott Nelson,
Speaker 1: a former military linguist who has analyzed these recordings in detail,
Speaker 1: as well as doctor Curlin's findings, and yes, I ask
Speaker 1: the big question, will Scott Nelson submit his research for
Speaker 1: peer review? But perhaps the biggest highlight of this episode
Speaker 1: is something truly special. Over six minutes of never before
Speaker 1: released vocalizations recorded by Al Berry in nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 1: These sounds have never been made public until now, and
Speaker 1: let me tell you they are something else. During our conversation,
Speaker 1: Ron also mentioned some exciting work he's been doing with
Speaker 1: Brett Eichenberger and Jill Rimmen Snyder, the creative minds behind
Speaker 1: the documentary A Flash of Beauty. They are actively working
Speaker 1: with Ron to bring even more of these unreleased recordings
Speaker 1: into the public eye in their new documentary. I've been
Speaker 1: in touch with both Brett and Jill, and once their
Speaker 1: latest project is ready, I plan to have them on
Speaker 1: the show to dive deeper into what they've uncovered. I'm
Speaker 1: still reviewing twenty more minutes of recordings and what you'll
Speaker 1: hear today is just the beginning. And trust me, there
Speaker 1: are some nuggets in this conversation that I don't think
Speaker 1: Ron has ever addressed before. So sit back, get comfortable,
Speaker 1: and prepare yourself for an interview that dives deep into
Speaker 1: the history, the mystery, and the evidence behind the Sierra Sounds. Ron,
Speaker 1: first and foremost, thanks so much for inviting me here.
Speaker 1: It is great to be here in the great state
Speaker 1: of North Carolina talking about the Sierra Sounds. Let's get
Speaker 1: the full picture for everybody. Can you take us back
Speaker 1: to what these guys were experiencing up there and how
Speaker 1: you got involved in the camp.
Speaker 3: Sure, thank you, Brian. Yeah, it started for me in
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy one. I was involved with some hunters. They
Speaker 3: came out with a story about these things coming around
Speaker 3: the camp. This is incident about a mollains between Alec
Speaker 3: Tahoe and Yosemite. The two brothers are gone up that
Speaker 3: summer into this camp, which is about eighty four hundred
Speaker 3: feet in elevation and eight miles into the wilderness or
Speaker 3: a remote area. But that's where they got The deer
Speaker 3: hunting camp had been since sinety fifty eight for the
Speaker 3: Johnson brothers, and they came out with this story. There
Speaker 3: was something besides bear messing with them up there. At night.
Speaker 3: They went out when the commotion was over with, and
Speaker 3: I saw these huge tracks in the mud there. Donald
Speaker 3: wouldn't go back by himself. He invited me to go
Speaker 3: back with him, just because didn't like what happened at all.
Speaker 3: He didn't know where to put that in his paradigm.
Speaker 3: His religion said that giants don't exist anymore. They're just
Speaker 3: in the Bible and somewhere like that. They went back up.
Speaker 3: The guys were okay, so we went out. I started
Speaker 3: going back as often as I could get somebody go
Speaker 3: with me that nineteen seventy one several times, I don't
Speaker 3: remember how many times, but we all started taking tape
Speaker 3: recorders up there and started recording The winner of nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy two. Warren Johnson, the leader of our group. He
Speaker 3: wrote Ivan Sanderson, cryptozoologist. Ivan Sanderson thought he was probably
Speaker 3: having his leg pool or something, so he contacted Peter
Speaker 3: Burns said, I don't know if it's anything to this
Speaker 3: or not, but he thought it was a hoax. Peter
Speaker 3: read the twenty three page later from one he thought
Speaker 3: it was a hoax also, however, because that don't happen,
Speaker 3: I have repeated visits like that anyway. Peter knew a
Speaker 3: man named Al Berry who worked for a record Searchlight
Speaker 3: newspaper in read in California. Totally if he wanted to
Speaker 3: go down and check it out, he could, but too
Speaker 3: far away for him to go down there just see
Speaker 3: if it was good or not. All actually thinking the
Speaker 3: same thing. And I didn't know all this until later
Speaker 3: years when I've seen the correspondence between them all. Al
Speaker 3: came down and interviewed us Hall and asked if he
Speaker 3: to go up. And so in nineteen seventy two when
Speaker 3: we could get back in, Warren Johnson took me back
Speaker 3: in and we'll started going back and he started experiencing
Speaker 3: the same thing. He was trying to find out who
Speaker 3: could be pulling our leg way back in the middle
Speaker 3: of nowhere and leaving no signs except for their tracks
Speaker 3: and sounds they were recorded. Albert was recording also, we
Speaker 3: were all recording, so we had a lot of redundancy
Speaker 3: in the sounds. This went on seventy one actually all
Speaker 3: the way through seventy six. Repeated to visits, not every time,
Speaker 3: but many times in seventy two, seventy four right in there,
Speaker 3: and it wasn't until seventy four when I actually saw
Speaker 3: one very elusive. They're very fast. I was recorded at
Speaker 3: the same time, so therefore I got to see what
Speaker 3: made the sound. So they say, if you don't see
Speaker 3: what made the sound, you don't know what made the sound.
Speaker 3: He's been accused of all kinds of things. Albery. He's
Speaker 3: one that kind of pro concused, the one that's trying
Speaker 3: to go out and try to solicit some professionals to
Speaker 3: study the sounds. He went to a little Belieberman at
Speaker 3: Brown University, first in phil Flaud. He was a former
Speaker 3: student trying to make fun of him or something, and
Speaker 3: he's a congressive researcher and said that he wouldn't do it.
Speaker 3: I finally found the professor Kurlin at the University of Wyoming,
Speaker 3: who took a lot unbiasedly. I'll just wanted he wanted
Speaker 3: to get a professional hind and say it's either fake
Speaker 3: or it's real. Doctor Kerwin did a year long study,
Speaker 3: gave his report at the University of a British Columbia
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy six, I think it was. He wrote it
Speaker 3: in a paper that was posted in a book A
Speaker 3: Man Like Monsters on Trial nineteen eighty or UCB Press.
Speaker 3: Anybody wanted to see that would have to get that
Speaker 3: book and read the paper. He concluded after a year
Speaker 3: long study there was no fowel making. It was all
Speaker 3: legitimate stuff. It hadn't been slowed down, speeded up. There
Speaker 3: was no sixty cycle Holme minute. There was nothing else.
Speaker 3: There was legitimate, real he said. On one clip of
Speaker 3: it represented an animal eight foot tall, eight foot two.
Speaker 3: I think he said something like compared to the human
Speaker 3: vocal mechanism, So that kind of put it up there,
Speaker 3: but not enough for academia, because I still think it's
Speaker 3: an ape in the woods, right, and we all did
Speaker 3: too at the time. Didn't realize just how significant all
Speaker 3: this was until modern times we saw it all started
Speaker 3: looking around up there while he was there, all did
Speaker 3: to you, still trying to figure out how anybody could
Speaker 3: do this, And that was before current said it was
Speaker 3: above the human range, and a lot of it was anyway.
Speaker 3: We started going out and talking about it after that
Speaker 3: in different conferences and places all over the United States actually,
Speaker 3: but still couldn't answer the odyssey that went with it.
Speaker 3: There were some strange things went on up there besides
Speaker 3: the organizations, strange lights, strange sounds that wouldn't language at all.
Speaker 3: It was. I talked about this my first book of
Speaker 3: Voices in a Wilderness. But there's more to it. There's
Speaker 3: just more to it where you're still looking how an
Speaker 3: ape could do this. We didn't realize that only humans
Speaker 3: have the vocal mechanism for spoken language like I'm doing now.
Speaker 3: That was revealed in actually Philip Lieberman's paper his only
Speaker 3: humans have the cognitive ability to speak like with morphine streams.
Speaker 3: It wasn't until two thousand and eight till a crypto
Speaker 3: linguist was trained by the Navy as a crypto linguist.
Speaker 3: It's been his career in the Navy. It desidherim transcribing
Speaker 3: the foreign silence. It's either codes or language, and determine
Speaker 3: if it was a language. He got a hold of
Speaker 3: the sounds by accident and came out and interviewed me
Speaker 3: and Albery both got the context behind the sounds. Ask
Speaker 3: the stadium. We let him. He came back and says,
Speaker 3: this is spoken language. By the human definition of language,
Speaker 3: it means a morphine stream of words. It means cognitive
Speaker 3: ability like we're talking now. I know that animals, supposely,
Speaker 3: not a whale, not a dolphin, nothing has that abilities
Speaker 3: of us as humans. That's established by Philip Liberman actually,
Speaker 3: and he said that only humans have that bok mechanism.
Speaker 3: That's a highly bulon with the tongue of nervous system
Speaker 3: into the brain to say innumerable amount of words. So
Speaker 3: that put it over the edge for me right there.
Speaker 3: If that's the case, you got those three bullet points
Speaker 3: you got doctor Curlin saying it's out the human range. Outside,
Speaker 3: you got Scott Nelson the crypto language, who says it's
Speaker 3: a spoken language. Then you got doctor Philip Lieberman says
Speaker 3: it's only humans have that, So it has to have
Speaker 3: a human component, and that's where I go with it.
Speaker 3: I didn't really realize all that until years later when
Speaker 3: I called this promission together for my studies. So it's
Speaker 3: certainly put me on a hunt for how they did
Speaker 3: what they did. They did some really strange things and
Speaker 3: had some really strange things go on up there. So
Speaker 3: I got out of the Newtonian physics which were all
Speaker 3: raised in which sixteen eighty seven, we know the things
Speaker 3: that are all fall easier to the fall, you can
Speaker 3: measure anything, it's all predictable. That's what we live in
Speaker 3: our third dimensional environment. So that's how it got started
Speaker 3: for me, and I got me on a a worldwide
Speaker 3: wind check other countries out and see what's going on
Speaker 3: with them.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about your siding when you
Speaker 1: got to see these things, because that's one of the
Speaker 1: things I did was get some questions from the audience,
Speaker 1: and that was one of the questions that the audience
Speaker 1: had was did you or any of the other guys
Speaker 1: that were up there see what you were interacting with?
Speaker 1: Clearly you did that. Can you talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about that set up the scene for us and talk
Speaker 1: about what you saw and what you experienced.
Speaker 3: Sure was the night I recorded the Simuri cry that
Speaker 3: called it fineteen seventy four. Bill and I he was
Speaker 3: our packer. We just got into camp, and these things.
Speaker 3: We're at the camp when we got there, so they
Speaker 3: obviously knew where it was going. And we put thought
Speaker 3: all together from other signs we saw on the way
Speaker 3: in just before was it was dusk but not dark.
Speaker 3: We heard the pounding. They're cracking on the rocks and
Speaker 3: coating they give with whoops, whooping sounds, and we knew
Speaker 3: we was in for it then, but we still outside
Speaker 3: the shelter. Normally they wouldn't interact with us until we
Speaker 3: were inside the shelter. We had which was a group
Speaker 3: of trees that grew in a circle. We wrapped our
Speaker 3: cables around it. I didn't, but it was done before
Speaker 3: I was went up there. Put classic over the top
Speaker 3: of it, so that gets you out of the weather
Speaker 3: and dead, folding it up against the cables. Anyway, they
Speaker 3: started messing with us, chattering stuff like that. I said,
Speaker 3: messing with this, that's what they do and mess with
Speaker 3: I think that they know more about their woods than
Speaker 3: we do. They do. It was an exciting night and
Speaker 3: I heard that thing. Well, we was hearing two of
Speaker 3: them chatter. We think it's too ado, less than a
Speaker 3: female down below by the creek. And then behind this
Speaker 3: was a semurai cry goes on and actually that money
Speaker 3: maker he coined that when he heard first heard these
Speaker 3: sounds and the ninety five I think it was. That
Speaker 3: night was a big night. I saw this thing shoot
Speaker 3: down through the trees. Could not give you any definition
Speaker 3: on it, but it was fast. It was by a beetle,
Speaker 3: and that was very smooth, very fast. That's first and
Speaker 3: only glimpse I ever got the one that I know
Speaker 3: of other people. My daughter saw them three times up there.
Speaker 3: But there's something about got to watch out for you
Speaker 3: bring a young lady pretty well anything, because the young
Speaker 3: ones out there and they crossbreed, I believe with indigenous
Speaker 3: people it's also the Native American lore as they are crossbreed.
Speaker 3: I think some of them are a little more human
Speaker 3: like than others, and some of them I may have
Speaker 3: different abilities than others. I get into how they did
Speaker 3: what they did because it didn't make sense the Newtonian
Speaker 3: world that we live in, which is three of us environment.
Speaker 3: I get reports on these things, they them disappear, and
Speaker 3: it has to be a scientific answer. Al Burry the
Speaker 3: guy we took in there in seventy two and I
Speaker 3: became friends with him after that, and where we started
Speaker 3: talking about. He said, don't talk about this strange stuff
Speaker 3: because you lose people with that stuff, because people can't
Speaker 3: understand anything outside of what they can see, you feel
Speaker 3: in touch, and anything material or physical and predictable. Everything
Speaker 3: we know of is that way. But that's not true.
Speaker 3: There's a whole other science out there called quantum science,
Speaker 3: and it's acknowledged science, but it's out of our being
Speaker 3: able to prove it because it's out of our site.
Speaker 3: You can't see it. Ever, that got me into quantum
Speaker 3: science and trying to understand the enigma's associated with these beings.
Speaker 3: I think I've got a lot of the answers put
Speaker 3: together in my head. Anyway, I don't know if anyone
Speaker 3: else wants to agree with it. I just encourage people
Speaker 3: to look into that because it rides on the back
Speaker 3: of our Nictonian physics of everything, which is sixteen eighty seven.
Speaker 3: Quantum science wasn't even established to explain, got the Nobel
Speaker 3: Prize in nineteen eighteen for it. Businessests like Einstein have
Speaker 3: been studying today. You got theoretical physicals. So they've got
Speaker 3: to be called theoretical because you can't see it. It's
Speaker 3: like ourselves. You can see how that works, but it works.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more sasquatch ot to see. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: A lot of other things work on the back of
Speaker 3: quantum science. Back Doctor Christopher Prayer at West Texas A
Speaker 3: and M says, everything from the atom through the cosmos
Speaker 3: works on the laws of quantum physics. It's just things
Speaker 3: for out there that we don't see, that we don't
Speaker 3: understand yet. That's because of who we are at humans.
Speaker 3: We're born into with this restriction. We only go into
Speaker 3: this environment of this third dimensional density. We only see
Speaker 3: within one in thirty and seven and seventy terror herts,
Speaker 3: that's our frequency, everything everything, So one more time, everything
Speaker 3: is energy, frequency and vibration. If you don't find the
Speaker 3: vibration of something that's where you get into everything how
Speaker 3: things change. Because you can find the vibration of anything,
Speaker 3: you can change its matter. According to quantum physics. How
Speaker 3: does matter change in energy? That was proven by CERN
Speaker 3: in twenty twelve when the hydront collide and made energy
Speaker 3: out of a particle. They learn to how to do
Speaker 3: a lot of things, and they're learning more and more
Speaker 3: all the time. And I just want to ride to
Speaker 3: Agaway and try to learn more because there's some strange
Speaker 3: things that going on up there. How do they disappear?
Speaker 3: That's been told? Everybody just shoves them off. Nothing can
Speaker 3: disappear if they said it ain't there. Not true. You
Speaker 3: got doctor Paul de Rock at the Nobel Prize in
Speaker 3: nineteen thirty three for substantiating antimatter. He called it because
Speaker 3: there's antimatter and there's matter. That's the direct change between
Speaker 3: energy and matter. Matter and energy are interchangeable, hands down.
Speaker 3: That's been established now mathematically was established, but it's also
Speaker 3: established by a CERN. Get into that and you think
Speaker 3: if they can find the frequency of their matter, they
Speaker 3: could change in the energy. Now a lot of people
Speaker 3: don't want to go with that, but it can happen
Speaker 3: if they can change the matter energy, they'd go out
Speaker 3: of our visual perception. We only see within the frequency
Speaker 3: of learned thirty subment city terrors. That pretty much put
Speaker 3: that one out of most people's reach. But a lot
Speaker 3: of people want to follow that would understand that's possible.
Speaker 3: But they got to reach some frequency. All these vocalizations
Speaker 3: we had up there, which are outside the human range,
Speaker 3: a lot of we don't know how high, because our
Speaker 3: little cassette recorders wouldn't do that. They wouldn't tell you everything.
Speaker 3: So that's all we had in those days, real to real,
Speaker 3: but we never took really real up there, just too
Speaker 3: much for the mules our saddle bags. So anyway, it
Speaker 3: was quite an adventure and still is. I don't know
Speaker 3: if I'll ever get to the bottom of it until
Speaker 3: one of these things comes out of the woods and says, HI,
Speaker 3: tells us what they're saying. But they were trying to
Speaker 3: say something to me that nineteen seventy four before I
Speaker 3: was fortunate enough to get my cassette recorder out of
Speaker 3: the saddle bag and turn it on.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned the setup and what you guys
Speaker 1: were using. That's one of the first questions that I
Speaker 1: had because I worked with sound all the time. I'm
Speaker 1: a content creator. I do podcasts, so I'm constantly listening
Speaker 1: to sounds and what is out there in the zeitgeist.
Speaker 1: As far as the Sierra sounds, a couple of times
Speaker 1: I've heard them and it sounds like you guys are
Speaker 1: in the shelter and there's times when these creatures are vocalizing.
Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about how you did that,
Speaker 1: because I've heard it other places that I know. You
Speaker 1: can google it now and there's like a four minute
Speaker 1: thing on YouTube and it sounds almost in some of
Speaker 1: those clips that you guys are in the same place
Speaker 1: with these creatures. Can you paint the picture for me
Speaker 1: and the audience about how this was done. Were you
Speaker 1: guys recording from inside your shelter or did you have
Speaker 1: recorders outside where they were closer to the creatures? How
Speaker 1: did that work?
Speaker 3: As far as the set up in seventy one, thirty
Speaker 3: seventy by, not seventy four, but those years, we had
Speaker 3: the microphone set in the cracks of the shelter and
Speaker 3: the recorders were extra our sleeping bags where we're we're playing.
Speaker 3: They usually when it was outside by the stove which
Speaker 3: we carried in and put together on mules. We'd wait
Speaker 3: till we heard a big crack or a sound of
Speaker 3: some type, because it's very distinctive, very decisive when you
Speaker 3: hear it. It's not like some bear, some deer stepping on
Speaker 3: something that's heavy. That's the time we thought let's go in,
Speaker 3: because we leave food out for him generally, and I
Speaker 3: take it generally. Once we was inside the shelter, we
Speaker 3: could turn the tapecros on or off. The night that
Speaker 3: dal Berry got those very clear ones, which were my
Speaker 3: first CD I produced, Dunton Freaks and narrates it. It's
Speaker 3: integrated with the sounds that he was recording at night.
Speaker 3: We were all recording, but he got the very best ones.
Speaker 3: He had it remote it up about forty feet from
Speaker 3: the shelter. Behind our shelter as on a little pine
Speaker 3: tree actually had a turned upside dock to the stereo recorder,
Speaker 3: but we didn't know that at the time. When you
Speaker 3: taped the microphone to the tree, one of them was
Speaker 3: right behind one of those big trees up there. He
Speaker 3: thinks you are behind a big rock out cropping. I
Speaker 3: had some very unique recordings from several other times that
Speaker 3: I lost in a house fire. Unfortunately, I had my
Speaker 3: stereo microphone set up. I had a little portable D
Speaker 3: cell battery. It does operate on stereo, so it was
Speaker 3: a little bigger than a cassette, but I could all
Speaker 3: it in. I lost all the in the fire. Fortunately,
Speaker 3: one of them that I had i'd send off after
Speaker 3: I got back to the seventy four recording. I sent
Speaker 3: it to al Berry, so I had a copy of it.
Speaker 3: I didn't lose that one. Bill McDowell who was with me,
Speaker 3: also recording, but he transfers his onto reel to reel
Speaker 3: when he gets hold and reuses them again. By the way,
Speaker 3: if you're out there listening to this, don't do that.
Speaker 3: If you record it once, leave it alone, you get
Speaker 3: a studied or see what's going on with it, because
Speaker 3: once you screw with them, you can't get a forensic
Speaker 3: study again. Now, I had quite a few recordings that
Speaker 3: I wish I still had, but I don't produce the
Speaker 3: second CD from the copy that al Berry had of mine.
Speaker 3: There sounds so different than seventy four when he was recording.
Speaker 3: When they're outside, they were actually yelling something at me,
Speaker 3: and i'd yell back, trying to mimic them, still thinking
Speaker 3: I'm talking to an ape out there. They can't talk
Speaker 3: about whatever they're doing. I'm going to try to duplicate it.
Speaker 3: And that's what I was trying to do. But if
Speaker 3: I know them, then what I think I know now,
Speaker 3: I would do things differently because there since you had
Speaker 3: been lookst what we were dealing with up there, and
Speaker 3: I got to say that pretty clearly what we were
Speaker 3: dealing up there. I don't think all of them are
Speaker 3: that way, some of them can. I think some of
Speaker 3: them have crossed reread so many eons of time with
Speaker 3: Indigenous people that some of them have lost that that
Speaker 3: maybe speaking. I don't know. I just know that the
Speaker 3: Patterson track, I think that was a hybrid, definitely a hybrid.
Speaker 3: Have a lot of years across reading is there are
Speaker 3: tracks in the Pattison track way which I have one
Speaker 3: are so different than ours, but in different in the
Speaker 3: way that there's not the arts that's in the Patterson track,
Speaker 3: there's not the angle of the toes like the Patison tck.
Speaker 3: All ours are just even not across the top. That's
Speaker 3: over years of being up there seeing tracks. I just
Speaker 3: think that there's different ones, and some of them have
Speaker 3: different attributes than others, and that gets us into way
Speaker 3: back history. Because I was raised religious, say, I have
Speaker 3: a pretty good knowledge of Biblical scriptures and stuff. So
Speaker 3: I was originally trying to find out where giants came from,
Speaker 3: what happened to them. But then I had to get
Speaker 3: into Mesopotanian, the Samerian texts, and got all the way
Speaker 3: into the canaform to find the core of most of
Speaker 3: our languages, most are written languages. That's the core that
Speaker 3: Pustup came out. It was a canaiform text. You find
Speaker 3: that what takes a chapter or two to explain things
Speaker 3: in the Bible, it took hundreds of thousands of years.
Speaker 3: You read how it falls right into how they took
Speaker 3: that and just about every written language it has a
Speaker 3: core in that. So I got into that and I
Speaker 3: found out a whole lot more what's really going on.
Speaker 3: And they talked about hibrisation, the fallen ones in the Bible,
Speaker 3: or I call them aliens that came down and they
Speaker 3: were at an Achey. They cross spread with indigenous people
Speaker 3: and created what ended up with in several different trial periods,
Speaker 3: I think us I said, so the desthmic man in
Speaker 3: our image, and then you get into caniform text or
Speaker 3: why they talked, because it was like twelve ali ali
Speaker 3: in the caniform text as God always talked about and singular,
Speaker 3: but there was actually twelve of them. But there was
Speaker 3: an innumerable mind about an hockey, some good, some bad.
Speaker 3: How they were doing what they shouldn't have done, which
Speaker 3: was coming down here and interfere with us. But that's
Speaker 3: where the Samarians got there, pigured it up rear to
Speaker 3: it us all the knowledge that we have today, smiles
Speaker 3: of it. I don't think they was in the computers
Speaker 3: that much.
Speaker 1: Speaking of high strangeness and some of the weird things
Speaker 1: that you've described that you guys were experiencing up there,
Speaker 1: the strange lights and some of the other things that
Speaker 1: were going on, something that people have talked about many
Speaker 1: times on the show. I have had less Strouds or
Speaker 1: Ivoryman on the show has talked about having what he
Speaker 1: believes to be a telepathic connection to Sasquatch. Interestingly enough,
Speaker 1: I had an interview recently with a gentleman. He was
Speaker 1: talking about this new podcast that came out a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago called The Telepathy Tapes. In a nutshell.
Speaker 1: A couple of doctors and this lady who does this
Speaker 1: podcast has looked into nonverbal autistic children and young adults
Speaker 1: and they have proven that they have telepathic ability. They
Speaker 1: communicate telepathically with each other A lot of times it's
Speaker 1: a connection with a parent, and I used to laugh
Speaker 1: at that theory. Chris Noel is one of those people
Speaker 1: who have talked about written books about possibly Sasquatch being
Speaker 1: some sort of savant or having some sort of autism
Speaker 1: and being able to have that telepathic connection with each
Speaker 1: other and with human beings. Did you, guys, ever experience
Speaker 1: anything that you would even attribute to being close to
Speaker 1: a telepathic communication of it?
Speaker 3: We were all very analytical. I think everybody has the ability.
Speaker 3: Everybody has the ability to do that. I think sometimes
Speaker 3: you might sense of some usparient call you in the
Speaker 3: phone ringers and nuts version college, you know. I think
Speaker 3: we just need to exercise our intuitiveness, which is another
Speaker 3: thing you do when you meditate. I think it's all
Speaker 3: goes back into frequency. You find the frequency and a
Speaker 3: lot of people I've heard people tell me about the
Speaker 3: telepathic thing's going on with them. Maybe that's what they
Speaker 3: were trying to tell me that night. It relaxed my
Speaker 3: brain a little bit. Maybe I get an saying what
Speaker 3: they're saying. I don't know. That's a funny way to
Speaker 3: look at it. Yeah, Telepathy is something that I think
Speaker 3: we all have in our genes. We have that ability
Speaker 3: if we just learn how to clean upon ourselves. That
Speaker 3: means going into the penia. Language is in here, which
Speaker 3: the receptor in my opinion, the receptor of above the
Speaker 3: source whatever that is, It has direct traction to your heart,
Speaker 3: which has its own brain. By the way, most people
Speaker 3: don't understand that. Yeah, but it does. That has to
Speaker 3: be in coherence with upstairs, what's going on above your shoulders,
Speaker 3: because we're all being conditioned. The conditioning is all you
Speaker 3: got to go by what you learned from, whether it's
Speaker 3: your language or culture or whatever it is. We're all conditioned.
Speaker 3: So the strangest up there to the story, it balls
Speaker 3: into quantum science, I believe. But telepathically, they have that
Speaker 3: ability to do anything with their frequency. If you're on
Speaker 3: the right frequency, they work with you. I think they
Speaker 3: do a lot of that. People at night and it's dark,
Speaker 3: because I think the frequency the earth drops to our
Speaker 3: frequency at night. Things happen when you get in that era.
Speaker 3: It's easier for them to communicate with people who are
Speaker 3: in their laxed state, not that you're asleep. A lot
Speaker 3: of things happened when need to go to sleep the people.
Speaker 3: I think it's just a dream or something, but maybe
Speaker 3: it's a little bit more than that.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the footprints and what was left behind that
Speaker 1: you guys found. How often did you find these footprints.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things that has been a little
Speaker 1: bit of a contested moment about some of the things
Speaker 1: that happened.
Speaker 3: To know.
Speaker 1: Grover Krantz had some things to say about those, and
Speaker 1: Meldrum has had his opinion on the footprints. Can you
Speaker 1: describe those You mentioned them being a little different than
Speaker 1: Patty's Prince for example. Can you describe where you were
Speaker 1: finding them, how you guys found them, What did they
Speaker 1: look like physically?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were bigger or one thing there was small ones.
Speaker 3: We had some nine inch onans while with an eighteen
Speaker 3: inch win in snow that told us it was an
Speaker 3: adolests that cross. We had heard an adolyst too. One
Speaker 3: night in seventy four. I actually recorded it. That's why
Speaker 3: I think it was ad less than a mother down there.
Speaker 3: I think ad lessons are getting a little bit bold
Speaker 3: around humans. Maybe they're teaching them something. I don't know.
Speaker 3: But the tracks up there were five toed all of them.
Speaker 3: They had a very little arts to them and walk
Speaker 3: one print in front of the other. I wouldn't expect
Speaker 3: the Krantz who's passed away now or Melding me the
Speaker 3: one to acknowledge them. I never let them have a
Speaker 3: truck to check, so I didn't know Krantz. He lived
Speaker 3: in Squim, of course, where I used to live. He
Speaker 3: wouldn't even talk to us about it. He comes mind
Speaker 3: because they're all conditioned in a parameters of classical science.
Speaker 3: It doesn't follow the rules. They won't get off that box.
Speaker 3: I hate to say that to Jeff. I know Jeff
Speaker 3: pretty well. I've been on with him a lot of
Speaker 3: times over in Russia with the Mexicans Siberia, and he
Speaker 3: won't even talk to you about it. Asking about then
Speaker 3: that was twenty eleven. I'd been into it then, trying
Speaker 3: to figure out something that you've got to be with
Speaker 3: science when you get with this stuff where people aren't
Speaker 3: going to buy it, not to be professor behind it PG.
Speaker 3: That's why these guys get the attention because they got
Speaker 3: the PhD. I'm a citizen PhD and I've looked into
Speaker 3: it and I think it answers a lot of questions.
Speaker 3: I had. The tracks, We looked for them. You only
Speaker 3: find what you look for. If you're not careful, you
Speaker 3: walk right by them. We look for the toes mainly,
Speaker 3: then you find out the trackway if there is one.
Speaker 3: They're not easy because we had to compose granted up
Speaker 3: there a lot of times in a lot of the
Speaker 3: areas around our shelter as we're sometimes if you hear
Speaker 3: the sounds right outside there, you know there's got to
Speaker 3: be a track somewhere. So you find them out there,
Speaker 3: and we'd cast them, and I've cast them, and I've
Speaker 3: got the cast. I got an original track cast. But
Speaker 3: people like Jeff Meldrim, they're going to compare it to
Speaker 3: the Patterson track if it's got everything Patterson track has.
Speaker 3: If it doesn't, it's considered a faker or not real
Speaker 3: or something else. I know Jeff, he's a good gentleman,
Speaker 3: a good nice man, but he has to stay with
Speaker 3: his parameters. I understand that, so I don't begrudge him
Speaker 3: at all, but there's no upside to us giving him
Speaker 3: out of tracks. So I know what we deal to
Speaker 3: with up there. I don't have to prove it by
Speaker 3: a track, but if I wants a question about that,
Speaker 3: that's my answer. They're going to compare it to what
Speaker 3: they know. What they feel like they know is a
Speaker 3: big Poot track, and that's a Patterson track because there
Speaker 3: was a film with it right. As many times as
Speaker 3: we tried to get a picture, we never got a picture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's one thing that I have dealt with.
Speaker 1: I have cast prints on my property in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: We've done entire shows on one of my other podcasts
Speaker 1: about gatekeeping in the Bigfoot community. There is gatekeeping to
Speaker 1: an extent when it comes to evidence. Because people were
Speaker 1: asking me as soon as I put those tracks out
Speaker 1: and I cast them and allowed people to see them,
Speaker 1: They're like, has it been validated by Jeff Meldrum or
Speaker 1: Cliff Barrickman. I know Jeff and Cliff both. Yes, I
Speaker 1: was going to send it to them, but at that moment,
Speaker 1: it really made me think about all the evidence. The
Speaker 1: Sierra sounds, the tracks from there, my tracks, my prints,
Speaker 1: my audio I've recorded, was are we putting too much
Speaker 1: stock in one or two opinions because they are just
Speaker 1: comparing it with what's already been known quote unquote known,
Speaker 1: and then they're sticking to their paradigm. And if they're
Speaker 1: not looking outside of that and willing to be more
Speaker 1: open minded about differences in your tracks or my tracks
Speaker 1: or Patty's tracks, are we doing a disservice to some
Speaker 1: of the evidence. In my opinion, I think we are.
Speaker 1: I think it's important. I have great respect for Jeff,
Speaker 1: I have great respect for Cliff, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: they've been wrong. Let's just be honest. They've been wrong
Speaker 1: about certain trackways that ended up being hoaxes, and they
Speaker 1: were one hundred percent on board with them being real.
Speaker 1: So if they made a mistake, then could they make
Speaker 1: a mistake now? So I think we have to be
Speaker 1: very careful in my opinion as a community on gatekeeping
Speaker 1: and looking at evidence with an open mind. Stay tuned
Speaker 1: for more sasquatch Oat to see. We'll be right back
Speaker 1: after these messages.
Speaker 3: I agree with you one hundred percent. That's very important,
Speaker 3: and that's what my goal is. At my age. I'm
Speaker 3: in my eighties now, I just want to bring classical
Speaker 3: science and quantum slize together because they won't get out
Speaker 3: of their balks. And I believe that's what they're in.
Speaker 3: They're in a condition paradigm, and that they won't get
Speaker 3: out of that. I think if one of us come
Speaker 3: in and start talking to them, they'd still say that
Speaker 3: they don't. I make a difference some people, but I've
Speaker 3: been around these things. I've seen some of the stuff
Speaker 3: they do, and there's no answer for it in classical science,
Speaker 3: and that's where they're at. It's a shame that they
Speaker 3: have to degrade things that don't meet up with their paradigm.
Speaker 3: I know they do that, and that's okay with me.
Speaker 3: It's truth will prevail. That's my favorite saying whatever sureth
Speaker 3: will come out sooner or later. They're not all the same.
Speaker 3: I believe. I got way back into beings from the
Speaker 3: Cosmos coming here hos Ago. That's what I write about
Speaker 3: in my last book. It's just that there's been a
Speaker 3: lot of hibrisation programs going on here. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of things went on by advanced beings. They have been here,
Speaker 3: they're here now. Why they don't expose themselves is because
Speaker 3: We're in a place where we're supposed to live out
Speaker 3: our karma. We're supposed to know, we're supposed to learn
Speaker 3: from our experiences when we're here. That's teaching everything because
Speaker 3: nothing else has what we have as humans. We're made
Speaker 3: into images. I'm very special of very high frequench of being.
Speaker 3: If we learn from that, and that's what we're life's about,
Speaker 3: and we will die. If you don't learn, you got
Speaker 3: to learn it. I got to come back and learn it.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I wasn't raised this way to reven multiple embodiments,
Speaker 3: but I do now because you got to learn. And
Speaker 3: if you don't learn, how you learn, you learn from
Speaker 3: you know what it's like, what's really we're supposed to
Speaker 3: be like. You have to learn with love and compassion
Speaker 3: with everybody else. You can't go out there hurting people
Speaker 3: or live in a victim paradigm yourself. You have to
Speaker 3: just learn to care. We're in a warring species and
Speaker 3: that's because of the Aninochy, the ones that fell, They've
Speaker 3: created the wars. Getting into Greek pathology, you're going to
Speaker 3: get into wars between the gods that were all at
Speaker 3: different names with all that special abilities they were called
Speaker 3: the powerful ones from the sky. You get into that
Speaker 3: and you realize just what all went on. We're here
Speaker 3: to expand to learn. Once we've learned to love and
Speaker 3: compassion with our human compadres out there, we will step
Speaker 3: ahead and we are vibration will get higher because we've
Speaker 3: got to get out of this third dimension. That's our goal.
Speaker 1: Let's go back a little bit to what you guys
Speaker 1: were experiencing up there when you were making these recordings.
Speaker 1: Did you ever notice any difference in the vocalization patterns
Speaker 1: based on any kind of environmental factors like the weather,
Speaker 1: the moon phases? Were you more successful in one season
Speaker 1: versus the other?
Speaker 3: With the activity we're going to get up there in
Speaker 3: the wintertime? Number one, just too much snowload. Roads were
Speaker 3: closed off anyway to get you close to it. Maybe
Speaker 3: you want to get close to it, You couldn't get
Speaker 3: up that high anyway. We wouldn't go until spring timeland.
Speaker 3: Any of the snow is a meltdown far and where
Speaker 3: we're going to make the trail in without getting hurt
Speaker 3: too bad. I've had a few broken cribs on the
Speaker 3: trail on the horse went off the edge, But our
Speaker 3: biggest time was during deer hunting season, but that might
Speaker 3: have been because we was up there. It might have
Speaker 3: been because they didn't want to go around other camps
Speaker 3: that they didn't trust. There was no other camps real
Speaker 3: close to us. There was one that wasn't too far
Speaker 3: away from us, but it was never inhabited. In fact,
Speaker 3: we rated it. We always looked there to see if
Speaker 3: anybody use it. No one's used it's all the time
Speaker 3: I was coming up there from the seventies. We checked
Speaker 3: around to see I because anybody else running around up there,
Speaker 3: and there wasn't. That was when we first started. But
Speaker 3: there was a hunting camp and that's what the guys
Speaker 3: went up there for. He stayed to come around at
Speaker 3: night when during honey season and actually move our deer.
Speaker 3: We'd hang them up and skin them blow out behind
Speaker 3: the shelter on a cable. They'd come up and they
Speaker 3: had actually moved it and found some tracks at a
Speaker 3: One time we went our deer. Larry Warren's son who
Speaker 3: was ten years my junior. Him and I were there
Speaker 3: at the stove one night and we thought, let's go
Speaker 3: back there and clean up around the deer so when
Speaker 3: it comes out at the end we can get tracks. Sure,
Speaker 3: now that happened, there's three tracks there underneath this deer,
Speaker 3: and the deer had been mood. There's three tracks. You
Speaker 3: could have seen over our shelter down to where we
Speaker 3: were sitting, so one was watching us when that was
Speaker 3: going on. We went back there, found the tracks and wow,
Speaker 3: that's an eyelder. I think these things are spying on you.
Speaker 3: They know what you're doing, and we had no idea
Speaker 3: they could figure out what he was doing. But like
Speaker 3: the camera shops where we set up, can't believe anybody
Speaker 3: camera was at the time. We thought it, well a
Speaker 3: trick them in I tricked these things. They see your vibration,
Speaker 3: they see your intent, they see your motives, they see
Speaker 3: right through that, and they have these abilities that we
Speaker 3: haven't learned to evolve into yet.
Speaker 1: My opinion, did you see a difference in the way
Speaker 1: they were communicating with you, for lack of a better term,
Speaker 1: when you started communicating back or trying to elicit a response,
Speaker 1: and if so, what kind of differences in the communication.
Speaker 3: Did you see? What the difference between seventy one and
Speaker 3: seventy two and the one that recorded seventy four. The
Speaker 3: crypto linguists because they are they sound different. I asked you,
Speaker 3: it's not the same bunch of creatures or something different,
Speaker 3: because they sounded a little different. He said, it sounds
Speaker 3: the same vocal back did the sounds for both years.
Speaker 3: He says he thinks they slowed their vocal plations down
Speaker 3: to possibly something I could understand. They talk real fast,
Speaker 3: very fast chatter, very much of John Green mit his
Speaker 3: apes among us from his interview with Albert Osman, which
Speaker 3: I've been up there looking for Albert Osman where he
Speaker 3: was taken up their airplane and floated around for a
Speaker 3: whole day, slow flying, looking for the land of the
Speaker 3: Camel River, went over there to where he said he was,
Speaker 3: and I'd write about that my second book at Albert
Speaker 3: Osman Story anyway, from seventy one, seventy two, seventy four,
Speaker 3: because seventy one seventy two is very intimidating, and it
Speaker 3: sounded like we found out at least I think they
Speaker 3: were arguing amongst themselves, not directed to that. We didn't
Speaker 3: know first if they were. That's what scared Donald off
Speaker 3: at first, because be afraid they was arguing about who's
Speaker 3: going to put the saltm pepper on us, but everybody's
Speaker 3: heavily armed. I got to tell you that we never
Speaker 3: went up there with that some kind of self protection,
Speaker 3: but a lot of that wasn't to protect us from
Speaker 3: these things as much as we thought it might be
Speaker 3: at the beginning. But seventy one, seventy two or the
Speaker 3: as it sounds, were chest beating very much a big
Speaker 3: grilla would do, or something that you're thinking it was
Speaker 3: a little spooky. I got to tell you then because
Speaker 3: you still didn't know. You don't know. To this day,
Speaker 3: we don't know. We do know that in seventy four
Speaker 3: there was more subtle. They were trying to say something
Speaker 3: to me, and I don't to this day know what
Speaker 3: it was, because until you get one to come in
Speaker 3: and start talking to you, you don't know that goo
Speaker 3: google means a tree. You don't know what that means.
Speaker 3: You know it's a language, though, by the human destination,
Speaker 3: a language, and that's important. They were talking slower. I
Speaker 3: don't know what they're saying, but I try to become home.
Speaker 3: That was exciting. That was why we're outside the shelter,
Speaker 3: which was unusual, very unusual.
Speaker 1: You mentioned that you thought, or you guys thought that
Speaker 1: there might be juveniles and some older adults, maybe possibly
Speaker 1: a female. Could you differentiate between what you guys thought
Speaker 1: was the juvenile and if so, what was the difference
Speaker 1: in the type of vocalizations from the adults versus the juvenile.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can hear that sounds like come in my
Speaker 3: first book. I got a link in that book where
Speaker 3: you can hit the sound when I get to the context. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you could definitely hear the difference. It's a smaller voice,
Speaker 3: you just know it smaller. Then you hear the bigger voice.
Speaker 3: Come down, don't do that or something. Then hear the
Speaker 3: male voice or big one. You can tell the difference
Speaker 3: in their aptitude. At least we could tell. I could
Speaker 3: tell the difference. So could the other guys pretty much.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you hear the old man. They call him that one.
Speaker 3: I don't know how big he was. But we're pounding
Speaker 3: some tracks up on the ridge. One time when I
Speaker 3: was meeting up from a hunt and found these tracks
Speaker 3: coming off of these boulders down into this sandy area
Speaker 3: and then often too the brush on four big tracks
Speaker 3: ever twenty five and a half inches. That's pretty big,
Speaker 3: and I got pictures of that. There's thirteen foot between them.
Speaker 3: There wasn't running well at that three loop. I didn't
Speaker 3: show that one to talk about it for a long time.
Speaker 3: But nowadays, at my age, I don't care. I just
Speaker 3: want to share things that I think I know and
Speaker 3: hope it helps somebody else.
Speaker 1: Here's a question from the audience that people have asked
Speaker 1: a couple of times, and I wanted to get it
Speaker 1: directly from you. Have you ever worked with anybody outside
Speaker 1: of Scott Nelson as far as a linguist or somebody
Speaker 1: else who could look at these and make some determinations.
Speaker 1: And here's the second part of that question, And this
Speaker 1: is something that I think Meldrum actually mentioned recently on
Speaker 1: an interview I saw him do. Was he had asked
Speaker 1: I don't know if he had talked to you about it,
Speaker 1: or if he had talked to Scott about putting Scott's
Speaker 1: work together in a paper for peer review and letting
Speaker 1: other people take a look at these That's a two
Speaker 1: part question. Is anybody another linguist or somebody along the
Speaker 1: line of Scott Nelson looked at these things? And is
Speaker 1: Scott even considering possibly putting his stuff into a paper
Speaker 1: for peer review? And if not, do you have any idea.
Speaker 3: Why I certainly do now. Melder just talked to Scott.
Speaker 3: I've talked to Scott. Scott's writing this up. In fact,
Speaker 3: he's putting it in now to hopefully do something like
Speaker 3: that soon. Scott's laid back though he's retired now. He's
Speaker 3: not a bigfoot person. People want to send me a
Speaker 3: yell or something like that to send the Scott to
Speaker 3: see if it's a bigfoot. God doesn't do that. He
Speaker 3: looks for a language. He's a language person. He's a
Speaker 3: crypto linguist, though that is an art farm. It's not
Speaker 3: like a regular languist. So I've had people contact me.
Speaker 3: These things are open for anybody wants to investigate them.
Speaker 3: They always have been. But I want to make sure
Speaker 3: they're qualified if they try to put it into some
Speaker 3: of their category and their paradigm, but that it's not
Speaker 3: going to work. And listen, in my opinion, they got
Speaker 3: to get all the way back into the manipulation of
Speaker 3: the DNA of hominids and how much that happens. I
Speaker 3: think the whole earth is just a big playground for aliens,
Speaker 3: it says. And I got a call on the carpet
Speaker 3: here a few days ago about somebody saying they were
Speaker 3: phony the sounds were phonny because they heard a reverb
Speaker 3: or something in there they thought they did. But I
Speaker 3: don't know who did that or whatever. But they can't
Speaker 3: disprove what PhD's have proven so far they have it.
Speaker 3: And yes, I've had different languages. It's different people say
Speaker 3: their linguists. But again it's comparing apples with oranges. A
Speaker 3: regular linguist isn't qualified to do with Scott Nelson. There's
Speaker 3: only one or two people in the world discuss says
Speaker 3: he would trust to. I really look into this like
Speaker 3: he has, and they're retired like he is. But there's
Speaker 3: probably others out there somewhere, but no one ever approached
Speaker 3: me with that offer. And that says they're crypto linguist.
Speaker 3: Crypto linguist is an art form treated the same as
Speaker 3: regular linguists, so to put it under an peer review,
Speaker 3: Scott don't trust them. He wrote a letter to a
Speaker 3: very nice letter. Is he want subject his work to
Speaker 3: somebody that don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Some researchers have suggested that the Sierra sounds might contain infrasound,
Speaker 1: or at least elements of infrasound. When you guys were
Speaker 1: up there, did you ever have any physical effects like vibrations, dizziness,
Speaker 1: or an overwhelming fear that might be associated with infrasound.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, I've had that happened me twice up there.
Speaker 3: I don't know what it was, might have been infrasound,
Speaker 3: but I have no doubt that they can go into
Speaker 3: infrasound and ultrasound both. I say, I have no doubts,
Speaker 3: But our cassette recorders didn't record those things scientists that
Speaker 3: recorded infra sound and ultrasound. But the big animals use
Speaker 3: those elephants, giraffes, tigers, they communicate a lot in infersound.
Speaker 3: And Warren Johnson and I were in shelter with one
Speaker 3: of these things with mouth at all up there, and
Speaker 3: we was pretty good about then. We didn't think they're
Speaker 3: going to eat us anymore. We left the sheltered door open,
Speaker 3: which was just a log between two big trees and
Speaker 3: an angle, and we thought we'll go out there right
Speaker 3: quick and walk up there. We'll see this thing run
Speaker 3: away because we want to get a good viewer one.
Speaker 3: But we did just that. We jumped out of the
Speaker 3: door real quicks We get out. And I started walking
Speaker 3: up to where the stiles were coming from, which wasn't
Speaker 3: that far away, and we got within about fifteen feet
Speaker 3: of the tree. We thought it was behind and him
Speaker 3: and I both just got froze, and we weren't talking
Speaker 3: to each other, and we were about ten fifteen feet apart.
Speaker 3: We were just I don't know how to express it
Speaker 3: other than I I write about that, and it's like
Speaker 3: a force field. You can't go forward anymore. And Warren
Speaker 3: looked at me and I don't know about you, but
Speaker 3: I can't move, and I said I can't either, and
Speaker 3: we started going backwards, and we go backwards and couldn't
Speaker 3: go forward. I brought that up to liverroy Fish. He
Speaker 3: was a biologist, he was a scientist. E secs now
Speaker 3: good man. But he's science can't take on your fears.
Speaker 3: I said, we were not afraid. Believe me, we were
Speaker 3: not afraid. We realize these things are here to hurt us,
Speaker 3: or they would have already done it if I weren't
Speaker 3: here to carry away to sleeping bag. They had to
Speaker 3: carry us a way if they wanted to eat, if
Speaker 3: they could eat, and they're going to throw a rock
Speaker 3: at us. I could have done that when we got
Speaker 3: back in we no sooner got back in the sheltering
Speaker 3: and saying started South africaon like it was hah, which
Speaker 3: they can they'd play with you like that. And I
Speaker 3: had it happened to begin when I was loaning out
Speaker 3: in the woods. I was walking along and not thinking
Speaker 3: about it at all, and all of a sudden, the
Speaker 3: hairstead o my back. I just was froze right too,
Speaker 3: and I started looking around where what's going on here?
Speaker 3: And I couldn't say a source of anything. And of
Speaker 3: course I didn't know about doctor Durach's anti matter at
Speaker 3: the time either, because I think they can send out
Speaker 3: a frequency to you that can stun you like that.
Speaker 3: I've heard a lot of people say the same thing.
Speaker 1: This comes from a listener, Bud. He wanted you to
Speaker 1: talk about It was funny, he said, ask him about
Speaker 1: Bigfoot and energy the quantum theory. I read his book,
Speaker 1: but I still don't understand it. Could you go a
Speaker 1: little bit more into that and also talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about You've mentioned a couple of times about them
Speaker 1: possibly having two sets of vocal cords, so you can
Speaker 1: you talk a little bit about the Bigfoot energy quantum
Speaker 1: theory and then possibly something along the lines of the
Speaker 1: two vocal cords.
Speaker 3: Sure, we've been hitting on that during this whole program
Speaker 3: a little bit, but everything is energy frequency vibration. Do
Speaker 3: you take outstell of that's my new level of the
Speaker 3: atom we are, that's not the Wrost level. But did
Speaker 3: you get all the way down to who we are?
Speaker 3: Were energy vibrating at a frequency, and if you can
Speaker 3: find the frequency, you can change matter. And that's established.
Speaker 3: I think I talked about that literally who I could
Speaker 3: listen to it, But that's how that's who we are,
Speaker 3: and that's who we're made to be. But we have
Speaker 3: not evolved in understanding that yet. These are mathematical facts
Speaker 3: that can't be disproven, or they would have disproven mathematically.
Speaker 3: That's what Paul Durck got the Nobel Price for. We
Speaker 3: have two sets. But mostly I've heard on a podcast
Speaker 3: is on years ago a medium, I said, I need
Speaker 3: to talk to this guy for this over with. I
Speaker 3: talked to him and I said, what's going on? How
Speaker 3: do they do what they do with their vocal work?
Speaker 3: He says, I don't know that. No, so you until
Speaker 3: you get one, you don't know. But that's what gives
Speaker 3: them such a frequency diversity. Things that we can't do
Speaker 3: they can do with their vocal equism. If that leads
Speaker 3: into antimatter, if that leads into the frequency, that can
Speaker 3: change their matter who they are, and that's what we
Speaker 3: are do energy only they go out of our perception
Speaker 3: and that's what that's my theory.
Speaker 1: Sticking to it all right, this is a little off topic,
Speaker 1: but this comes up quite a bit about the Bigfoot
Speaker 1: nine to one one call that everybody uses. I've used
Speaker 1: it in the intro from my show for years. Tons
Speaker 1: of other podcasts used that famous Bigfoot nine one one call.
Speaker 1: This actually comes from Brent and he asked the question,
Speaker 1: can you talk a little bit about that nine one
Speaker 1: one call, because apparently people have done some Fourier requests
Speaker 1: and they've tried to find it, and there doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to be a record of the call. Can you talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about that. I know you got to
Speaker 1: interview that gentleman. He's even asked if there was a
Speaker 1: specific police report number that was taken for the call
Speaker 1: that maybe somebody could go back and reference. But in general,
Speaker 1: the Foyer request turned up nothing on the nine one
Speaker 1: one call. But you actually got to talk to this gentleman.
Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about that for people
Speaker 1: that may not be familiar.
Speaker 3: You are retired Navy and he had a Vietnam bed.
Speaker 3: He organi his garage. At about one o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 3: his sense of light went off out of his garage.
Speaker 3: He had this glass or plastic lights out as he
Speaker 3: could see through his garage at certain height, he saw
Speaker 3: this thing. Now two weeks prior to that, something scared
Speaker 3: him out there. It was his big German shepherd dog
Speaker 3: who never went out, just stayed there. He had two
Speaker 3: younger dogs, their grasser dogs go out and bark That
Speaker 3: night two years two weeks later when he saw it,
Speaker 3: actually his German shepherd went out. It's who other dogs
Speaker 3: came in and cowered down right there, and German shepherd
Speaker 3: went out there and started barking at something. All of
Speaker 3: a sudden he heard a big funk and a squeal.
Speaker 3: It came flying over the fence and landed the thirty
Speaker 3: five feet away from the fence. He showed us where
Speaker 3: it went over the fence. It had to be thrown
Speaker 3: nine foot high, and we went over there, Peter Burn
Speaker 3: and I did looking for tracks, looking for anything that
Speaker 3: could have done at a horse or something like. I
Speaker 3: could have kicked him. But he had a sighting. You
Speaker 3: can't deny that when you hear that. Peter contacted the
Speaker 3: service department because he said after side of the sighting
Speaker 3: that he saw it run away across the older road
Speaker 3: there and a car had gone by and had a
Speaker 3: car actually went off a little bit to miss it.
Speaker 3: Peterder even put it add the paper trying to find
Speaker 3: anybody saying nothing unusual that night on that road, and
Speaker 3: didn't get any response from it. Peter would have had
Speaker 3: the number of that report from the first department there.
Speaker 3: This is a Kidsap County peninsula up there. I'm sure
Speaker 3: there's a number somewhere. I just don't have it. I
Speaker 3: edited it. I took out the typing and all that
Speaker 3: stuff that was in between the reports, because there's two reports,
Speaker 3: one two weeks and later than the other one two
Speaker 3: weeks later on was when he had the sighting. That's
Speaker 3: when he said, oh, get somebody here. He was afraid
Speaker 3: to say bigfoot because he knows they laughed at offers.
Speaker 3: I'm probably when it came out two weeks prior to
Speaker 3: that is when the New Sun was going on. He
Speaker 3: called him in, so he had a man take the
Speaker 3: report then, and then a lady took the report two
Speaker 3: weeks later. That's the story behind it. I didn't leave
Speaker 3: his guys have had people trying to get a hold
Speaker 3: of me to find his name and all that. You
Speaker 3: don't respond to his phone anymore. I don't know he's alive. No,
Speaker 3: I don't know if he lives there anymore, because something
Speaker 3: like that goes on of you generally, you in your life.
Speaker 1: When we were waste, I guess it was last year
Speaker 1: maybe sometime. I heard you and Todd Nice were on
Speaker 1: over on Piel Island research with Jeff doing a podcast,
Speaker 1: and Todd just threw it out there and said, hey, Ron,
Speaker 1: you remember that time me and you and Peter Burn
Speaker 1: were down in the nineties doing this and you brought
Speaker 1: the shoe box full of all the Sierra sounds that
Speaker 1: haven't been released, and I was like, whoa wait what.
Speaker 1: Jeff actually reached out to me and was like, dude,
Speaker 1: did you hear them talking? There's more Sierra sounds that
Speaker 1: we've never heard. So I started talking about it on
Speaker 1: my podcast and we've talked about it and done some
Speaker 1: interviews with other people and talked about it, and we've
Speaker 1: done other shows about it, Wayne and I on that
Speaker 1: Bigfoot podcast. So I reached out to you and got
Speaker 1: this conversation going about that. You've obviously talked about it
Speaker 1: with me privately, So can we talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about what you have as far as the unreleased sounds,
Speaker 1: how many they are, and what exactly is in there
Speaker 1: and why it is that you've chosen not to release
Speaker 1: those after all these years.
Speaker 3: We have release are the very best recordings we have
Speaker 3: that are good, but we have redundancy. But what's very
Speaker 3: important to me right now is there's a documentary being
Speaker 3: made on this aer camp by production company, and I
Speaker 3: don't want to interfere what they're doing because they're going
Speaker 3: to emphasize these because they also got their recordings from
Speaker 3: Warren Johnson's archive, which East passed AWE years ago. They're
Speaker 3: going to release those in the documentary, which would be
Speaker 3: about an hour and a half long. They're doing a
Speaker 3: really good job. They've been working on this for a
Speaker 3: couple of years. Whatever. I don't want to interfere with
Speaker 3: their work. They're very good people. They're going to do
Speaker 3: a good job I've known them now for a while,
Speaker 3: so I hope that people aren't offended. It's all chatter
Speaker 3: that you don't understand. Well, I've listened to them all
Speaker 3: that we have hours of it. Really. I have Bill
Speaker 3: mcdowall's recordings and the production company has Warren Johnson's recordings.
Speaker 3: So they got to to get all this together, all
Speaker 3: the silus I've I've been asked several times about this,
Speaker 3: and so I give you one or two, I think,
Speaker 3: and you want to play those because we run them
Speaker 3: through the production people that are doing this, and they
Speaker 3: said it's okay because really none of them sounds. It's different.
Speaker 3: It's just chatter. But they talk so much faster than us.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of space and time between a lot
Speaker 3: of them. Two which I mentioned to you, which has
Speaker 3: our voices back in the shelter. It's just very important
Speaker 3: that we don't interfere with them. To me, it's important
Speaker 3: and to them. They spend a lot of money on this,
Speaker 3: and they're still spending money on it. They're in the
Speaker 3: editing phase, I think now, but we can play those.
Speaker 3: We want to.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more sasquatch Otasy. We'll be right back
Speaker 1: after these messages.
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Speaker 1: I had a conversation with Jil via email after you
Speaker 1: and I had talked and you express some concerns about that,
Speaker 1: and she said, what we're doing is not going to
Speaker 1: interfere with that at all. So we're pressing forward with
Speaker 1: that for sure. I guess the last question here related
Speaker 1: to the sounds is just looking back on your years
Speaker 1: of research, everything you did at the Sierra Camp. Everything
Speaker 1: you've done since. Is there anything that you know now
Speaker 1: that would cause you to do things differently back then?
Speaker 1: Or is there anything about the whole situation that still
Speaker 1: keeps you up at night?
Speaker 3: Nothing keeps me up at night, nothing more. I'm not
Speaker 3: a surprise at anything that happens, because you get into
Speaker 3: quantum theory and you realize that anything can happen. No,
Speaker 3: I think I would have done things differently. I would
Speaker 3: have not underestimated. None of us would we underestimate. I'm
Speaker 3: thinking there's a nap in the wood run around. They
Speaker 3: got to document in some way, so you got in,
Speaker 3: cast tracks you out, and try to record you out,
Speaker 3: and try to trick or me do all that. So
Speaker 3: there are a step ahead of you, at least what
Speaker 3: we dealt with those step ahead of is so. I've
Speaker 3: been to other places too. Really, it's just a phenomenal
Speaker 3: history back here. I'm writing my biography now, and just
Speaker 3: the places I've been, the things I've seen are pretty
Speaker 3: interested in me anybody else or not. But I think
Speaker 3: my message to people, if I have a message, is
Speaker 3: to know who you are as a human being and
Speaker 3: how special we are as even mean, what we're here
Speaker 3: for it's written in my third book. I've written three books,
Speaker 3: produced two CDs out the Sounds and narrated, one by
Speaker 3: me and one by Fricks story Trek Next Generation. They're
Speaker 3: both about forty minutes long with integrated sounds in them.
Speaker 3: They're both downloadable on my website. Also, my books are
Speaker 3: downloadable on my website or you can get the hard
Speaker 3: copy through Amazon, which is ordered through my website. Again,
Speaker 3: it's just to know that we have to respond with
Speaker 3: love and compassion. That's what it's going to elevate us
Speaker 3: as human beings.
Speaker 1: Very wise words. I will link to all that in
Speaker 1: the show notes for you guys to go over and
Speaker 1: get the books. Check out the Sounds.
Speaker 3: Ron.
Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for inviting me into your home.
Speaker 1: Have had a blast talking to you.
Speaker 3: Thank you. It was good. Good questions.
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Speaker 9: Step.
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Speaker 4: ride back?
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