WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:04.480 How is it. We've got so many places with people 2 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:09.039 that have private properties with this activity, and how do 3 00:00:09.080 --> 00:00:11.119 they deal with it? In my mind, we've got a 4 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:14.800 species complex. I'm not convinced we're dealing with the same 5 00:00:14.919 --> 00:00:18.359 darn thing across the board from here to Alaska down 6 00:00:18.440 --> 00:00:23.399 to South America. It's just amazing the variation we share. 7 00:00:23.879 --> 00:00:27.160 What is an extreme variation of them? I think we're 8 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:30.760 still finding out and all these things that people would 9 00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:33.560 claim that they could do with all these superpowers, this 10 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:36.840 you know, paranormal if you like, or science that hasn't 11 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:41.240 caught up to them or whatever. It just becomes intriguing, 12 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:46.280 especially in a little bit that dabbles with you and 13 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:48.000 you experience some of it yourself. 14 00:01:21.879 --> 00:01:24.799 I'd like to welcome Dan Adrello to the show. Dan 15 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:30.959 is a professional photographer and a biologist from Wisconsin. And yeah, man, 16 00:01:31.280 --> 00:01:32.159 thanks for joining me. 17 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:34.680 Lost appreciate it. 18 00:01:35.959 --> 00:01:39.159 So just to get us started, you know the question 19 00:01:39.239 --> 00:01:42.599 everybody asked, how did you end up in the Bigfoot world? 20 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:49.200 Well, to expand on that, I'll just say I was 21 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:52.359 an animal guy. Early when all the other kids said 22 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:55.879 pet goldfish, I had a bullfrog tadpole. Turns out later 23 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:59.280 there's probably a green frog tad pole, judging by our location. 24 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:04.680 My father passed away when I was five, and I 25 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:07.239 knew right away I wanted to travel. In the same month, 26 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:12.039 we ended up moving up into my mother's parents, and 27 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:16.240 her father passed away the same month, so I lost 28 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:19.000 my father and my grandfather. So I knew right away 29 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:22.479 there's none of those shit's guaranteed. If you're gonna get 30 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:24.800 crap done, you better probably do it as fast as 31 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:28.319 you can. And unfortunately I took that to the stream, 32 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:30.439 but I say it unfortunately, But on the other hand, 33 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:33.520 I'm glad I did. I don't walk well now. I've 34 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:38.000 been a victim of Brusidis, and it's a struggle to 35 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:40.280 walk a mile or to stand for three or four 36 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:44.599 hours without having pain. And I'm getting better and I'm 37 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:48.400 making improvement. I'm playing on dropping significant Wait, long story short, 38 00:02:48.439 --> 00:02:51.159 How did I get into the Sasquad stuff? I knew 39 00:02:51.159 --> 00:02:53.240 that there were two things on this planet I wanted 40 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:55.319 to do. I wanted to see as many animals as 41 00:02:55.319 --> 00:02:59.280 I could see, and I wanted to travel as hard 42 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:03.319 and as fast as I could go, which I accelerated 43 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:07.120 as soon as I could drive a vehicle. Nobody ever 44 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:10.360 took me anywhere hardly, and so all my friends got 45 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:12.680 to see all over the country in the United States 46 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:14.800 and Yellowstone and all this and all that, and I 47 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:19.360 did nothing. And we did touch around Canada once when 48 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:21.240 I was in sixth grade, and then when I was eighteen, 49 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:26.560 my grandparents took us to South Dakota, which was pretty cool. 50 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:33.439 And after that it was all me. And as far 51 00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:36.120 as the interest in the animals, I was going to 52 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:39.520 be a herpetologist, so I was your little American Steve Irwin, 53 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:43.639 and I had what I would call snake fever. I 54 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:47.280 just loved these dinosaurs, and there weren't any real dinosaurs 55 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:50.439 left to study. I wasn't very familiar with m Kelly 56 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:54.479 Movembi and didn't know Adam Davies so at the time 57 00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:58.719 when I was in third grade, so you know, you're 58 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:01.240 just reading and reading and reading. One of the first 59 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:04.199 things I found out was how terrified adults were snakes, 60 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:07.719 and I could not understand that. And so right away 61 00:04:07.800 --> 00:04:11.599 one of my niches was to through four ancient boy 62 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:16.639 Scouts public relations regarding Okay, this is a bull snake, 63 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:19.920 this is a timber rattler, easily identified by the black 64 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:24.839 velvet tale and et cetera, et cetera, and so I 65 00:04:24.879 --> 00:04:29.759 had those activities going on from third grade on. What 66 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:36.079 probably captivated me the most was snakes, turtles, lizards, crocs, 67 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:39.319 all that good stuff. But then the big permates and 68 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:43.519 I became a burden very early. So I was very 69 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:47.920 intrigued with wildlife of all kinds. And I thought, if 70 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:50.879 I'm going to be a photographer, or excuse me, if 71 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:53.720 I'm going to be a repetologist and travel like crazy, 72 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:59.639 I better try to document my journey, and that means photography. 73 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:04.079 I got involved that heavily fast. So the sasquat stuff 74 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:06.920 didn't come in until fifth grade, which happened to be 75 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:09.839 the year sixty seven, so I've dated myself. I'm sixty 76 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:15.560 eight now. And basically what had happened was my teacher 77 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:20.480 in fifth grade stated the words abominable sumia and described 78 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:23.680 a little bit about the year shifting shifting situation in 79 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:27.680 the Himalayas and the eddy and I just lost it. 80 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:36.439 I thought a giant primate bigger than gorillas, really, and 81 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:39.079 I went nuts. And it was an encyclopedia, and then 82 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:43.879 that led to literature search and I stumbled across Ivan T. 83 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:47.240 Sanderson's Abominable Sumi and Let You Come to Life. And 84 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:51.199 so I just studied that book all through elementary school, 85 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:55.439 middle school, high school. The next thing that happened in 86 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:58.800 fifth grade was I was over the buddy's place and 87 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:01.839 his dad come in from sleigh in the snow and 88 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:08.360 slaps the copula across tribune down on the floor next 89 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:10.279 to us is a look at that guy and a 90 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:13.439 monkey suit. Of course it was the Patterson film. I 91 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:17.319 grabbed that, stared at it and read it nine times 92 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:21.560 and just I mean, I don't have to go to Asia. 93 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:26.279 And I think that happened before I got the Ivan 94 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:31.240 Ivan Tis Anderson worked because obviously that coast in North 95 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:35.680 America and worldwide stuff. But anyway I was. I was launched. 96 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:38.079 So I was grabbing every book I could find, and 97 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:40.759 there weren't very mini back there. And then all through 98 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:44.199 school the problem was you just didn't have anybody to 99 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:47.959 talk to about it. I knew that certain adults took 100 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:51.279 it serious. I didn't know why, but I wanted to 101 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:55.360 know why. And I studied the behavioral sequences and they 102 00:06:55.519 --> 00:06:58.439 ran parallel in so many places, and I thought, Okay, 103 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:03.199 I got all these descriptions. I've got all these claims, 104 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:07.839 yet there's no body. This doesn't make sense. But yet 105 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:13.079 I felt very strongly that something's going on, but I 106 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:16.680 didn't have those answers at all. And the first thing 107 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:18.839 that ever happened to me that could have been satisfatched 108 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:21.079 and appears to be, but I didn't see the callmaker 109 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:24.959 was we were out in a church camp in northern 110 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:29.720 Wisconsin and pine woods and something after midnight there was 111 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:34.319 a number of US students in seventh grade with flashlights 112 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:40.160 focusing on something loud splashing behind vegetation that wouldn't come out. Now, 113 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:43.519 what was interesting about it was the vocalization. It was 114 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:46.160 a hiss and I don't know if you've ever heard 115 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:48.839 of a bull snake hissed before, but it can be 116 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:55.560 quite loud. But this was jocks magnified literally across the lake. 117 00:07:55.959 --> 00:07:58.759 And I'm like, I can't see raccoon doing that. The 118 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:02.879 black bears do that. Black bear's hissed, but not like that. 119 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:05.720 And so I was just taking with that, and I 120 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:10.160 did not associate sasquatches with it at the time. After 121 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:14.639 I got into the BFROH and then later after i'd 122 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:18.920 hooked up with Stacey and Jim Flowers. They had some 123 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:23.519 recordings in their Michigan recording project. It was close to 124 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:27.600 what I heard. Plus they had visuals on the songmakers, 125 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:31.519 so some of their team had so so I'm like, okay, 126 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:35.879 that's probably what's going on there. But all through college 127 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:38.000 I couldn't talk to anybody about it. I had one 128 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:40.120 student come up to me in my speech class when 129 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:41.960 I was doing it on Bigfoot, and she said, Hey, 130 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:44.799 I just want to know. I saw footprints in a 131 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:48.080 pond when dad was stranded, and I just took a 132 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:50.759 hike and I got up from the pond and looked, 133 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:53.480 and here there were big prints going across the barn. 134 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:56.559 Like okay, thank you. I told I have a thing, 135 00:08:57.159 --> 00:09:02.240 And all through my twenties parties nothing happened. I chased 136 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:05.799 timber rattlers and virtually every rubber rover bluff I could find. 137 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:09.440 Thought I'd probably do my master's degree onned didn't and 138 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:14.480 ended up going into environmental education a lot speaking by 139 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:19.759 a microphone, throwing alligators in diamondbacks and all kinds of 140 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:24.759 fun stuff, big pythons on the table, and having kindergarteners 141 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:27.360 line up and hold big pythons and all that that stuff. 142 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:30.519 And I did that for probably forty years, and then 143 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:33.399 budget cuts came and then I don't do I do 144 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:36.159 very little of that now, but from time to time 145 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:41.080 I get speaking engagement on it, no sasquat stuff. And 146 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:46.399 two thousand my mom passed away, and I was forty three, 147 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:49.759 and by this time I was listening to vocals online 148 00:09:49.759 --> 00:09:52.279 a little bit. My sister made a bet. She said, Hey, 149 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:56.919 I bet you don't become computer literate, and I bet 150 00:09:57.080 --> 00:10:01.440 you don't net work professionally with other with other investigators 151 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:03.799 on the subject that you love so much. And I 152 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:06.960 told her, Okay, you're on, because you can't let your 153 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:09.399 little sister in a bet. And I'd been wanting to 154 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:11.879 learn more, and I knew there was starting to be 155 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:15.720 people around and made claims and I wanted to evaluate them, 156 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:18.320 and I so I started. I hooked up, and of course 157 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:21.159 the bufos probably wanted and I'm kind of hanging lo 158 00:10:21.480 --> 00:10:25.120 and just looking and listening to vocals and seeing some 159 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:31.000 reports from Wisconsin, and eventually I bombarded a particular guy 160 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:34.200 whom I forgot the name at the moment, but he 161 00:10:34.279 --> 00:10:36.320 was out of Ohio and turned out to be Man's 162 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:40.000 second buddy that was working in the Bufrorobic at that time. 163 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:44.279 In two thousand and he finally faced off and said, hey, 164 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:49.399 who are you? Who the hell are you? Why do 165 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:51.600 you want to know all this stuff? And I said, 166 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:54.279 I told him and then he said he you got 167 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:57.080 a resume? I do, and he said I see it 168 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:00.440 and I said sure, well it wasn't loaning me back, 169 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:03.639 and said, I think you are somebody we could really 170 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:09.399 use them there. Would you'd be interested in investigating hair scat, 171 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:13.759 listening to vocals, interviewing people, looking at footprints. I'm like, 172 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:16.600 oh yeah. And the next thing I knew I had 173 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:19.799 the password, and then I was in the organization. So 174 00:11:19.840 --> 00:11:22.200 I hung out there for four years. I got a 175 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:26.080 little too excited, I was. I was probably far too 176 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:29.879 happy than I should have been, and bugged everybody in 177 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:34.519 constantly and got to meet, you know, some of the 178 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:36.960 people that created the books that interested me in the 179 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:41.480 first place, and notably John Green and eventually Jeff Melvermont 180 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:44.399 in California in two thousand and three, Mad had helped 181 00:11:44.519 --> 00:11:51.879 document the two thousand and three Sasquatch Symposium International Sasquatch Symposium, 182 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:54.519 and I was kind of buddies for John Bender Niggle 183 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:56.679 at the time, and really hadn't got to meet Milder 184 00:11:56.840 --> 00:11:59.799 much and Ron Moorehead and some of the other prominent 185 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:03.519 names as it came up. And what I found was 186 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:07.320 being in the organization it allowed me to attack a 187 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:13.559 lot of different situations and they were made by people, 188 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:19.039 all these claims, and so I ended up traveling to Indiana, Tennessee, 189 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:27.039 and of course Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, and eventually numerous 190 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:32.639 other places including California, Arizona. But I never got a 191 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:37.840 visual and I never really saw good tracks. Those were 192 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:40.279 kind of hoarded by some of the top level folks, 193 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:44.279 so I never really got into the fresh stuff. And 194 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:48.440 being kind of I'm more of am you know, I 195 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:50.879 have a tendency to go more towards the animals and 196 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:53.879 wild than I did people, So while other people are 197 00:12:53.919 --> 00:12:56.799 having the party, I'm kind of like kicking around flipping 198 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:02.919 rocks in the woods and and still not successful. So 199 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:07.159 eventually I dropped out of the BFRO. Primarily my typing 200 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:09.000 had gone from thirty five words a minute to one 201 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:12.080 hundred and five. I did well over four hundred interviews, 202 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:17.679 I published quite a few reports and pretty good standing 203 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:20.440 with most of the people, but I'm ru unorthodox and 204 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:24.360 like I said, my energy level was ridiculous, so I 205 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:26.159 just thought it was best for me to drop out. 206 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:28.440 And I had some other circumstances going on. I didn't 207 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:33.480 share with people, so I just almost took from probably 208 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:36.919 didn't get back into it until four oh five. And 209 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:40.720 what brought me around was I met a woman in 210 00:13:40.759 --> 00:13:45.559 Georgia in two thousand and eight and had she claimed 211 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:49.039 sasquatches under the house. Well, eventually I went there, saw 212 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:53.960 my first footprints, got my first vocalisations that I considered legit, 213 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:57.320 and then I would send her a recording equipment and 214 00:13:57.360 --> 00:14:01.679 she was able to get some recordings. So at that 215 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:04.720 point in time, I felt like, Okay, I'm going to 216 00:14:04.759 --> 00:14:08.240 go in this and I'm going to keep working. And 217 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:12.879 nothing really happened big until twenty ten. I was a 218 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:17.039 private property. This I'm going to describe the situation because 219 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:19.600 I think your listeners might friend it interesting. I was 220 00:14:19.639 --> 00:14:23.519 there on a rattleson call and I had contracted with 221 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:25.960 Deanan Andor as a herpetologists for a couple of years 222 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:29.519 doing Miss Saga Radle sneak work and in commercial take 223 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:36.639 on Mississippi River turtles, and then survey environmental survey assays 224 00:14:36.679 --> 00:14:40.080 once for road operations and bridges and things like that. 225 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:45.360 And basically what had happened was found this property. And 226 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:48.799 she said, I said, you got any one life here 227 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:52.320 that you find really interesting? He goes, boy do I ever? 228 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:55.279 And that was interesting? And she went on to describe 229 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:58.120 cougar screams. And I said, what was the circumstance with that? 230 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:01.360 She said, well, there was. She divorced her husband. She 231 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:04.279 lived there until she passed away, over thirty five years alone. 232 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:07.960 And what was interesting about it was she had some 233 00:15:08.039 --> 00:15:10.759 activity in the basement and they assumed that was cooger. 234 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:16.399 Well there wasn't any obvious footprints, but had to be cougar. 235 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:19.000 And then the light that she shut the door in 236 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:23.080 the basement. She went to bed about two o'clock in 237 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:26.360 the morning, which courses a golden magic hour for our 238 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:35.320 target species. She gets this loud, skull splitting scream stop, 239 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:38.480 and she's, of course thinking cougar. I think she died 240 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:42.000 thinking it was cougar, but it was. She was like, 241 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:44.000 om afraid it's gonna come through the wall, for it's 242 00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:46.200 gonna come through the window of the wall the door, 243 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:48.679 and so she moves to the kitchen with her dogs. 244 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:52.120 She had two little flap dogs and they're sitting huddled 245 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:57.639 around the table while this thing is just skull splitting, screaming, 246 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:01.120 and in the course of the event describe rats and 247 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:04.080 mice which are probably rats, and younger rests coming out 248 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:09.200 of the floor boards, coming out from behind, you know, 249 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:11.919 certain holes in the walls, behind the cupboards or whatever. 250 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:18.480 And they were having trouble orienting across the floor. And 251 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:21.159 so my first thought is, well, the pitch of the 252 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:27.320 sound they have affected their orientation, so I probably should 253 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:31.200 pay some attention to this property. And so I got 254 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:33.799 permission over time to eventually come in at night and 255 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:37.320 sit with the recorders. Didn't have a lot things happened, 256 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:41.039 but on the first night where I decided this is 257 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:49.759 really interesting. I've got the to set recorder going, and 258 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:52.120 I had a pack of coyotes come down off the 259 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:54.000 hill and run real close to me, and I had 260 00:16:54.039 --> 00:16:57.559 a parabolic you know, the bionic year as we like 261 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:03.559 to call it, and oh, best coyote recording I ever got. 262 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:05.559 So no matter what happened that night, I was happy 263 00:17:05.559 --> 00:17:11.359 with that. Well, uh, the next thing that happens is 264 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:15.799 the land or her sneezes behind me, I mean really close. 265 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:18.519 First parabolic is going to have something to do with that. 266 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:21.160 So I'm sitting there thinking what is she doing up? 267 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:23.200 I turned around look at the house and it's all 268 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:26.000 locked up, all black. So I'm sitting in the dark. 269 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:31.200 Something just sneezed from a height that was well over 270 00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:33.599 the fence, and my guess was it was behind the fence, 271 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:37.480 possibly up the hill. So was that another coyote? Did 272 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:41.000 a cougar follow the coyote pack? Or was this what 273 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:44.799 I was opening up? I turned a microphone for the 274 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:48.559 cassette player back on because I had actually I had 275 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:50.799 shut it off because I was concerned about battery power. 276 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:54.160 And I'm sitting there for forty five minutes waiting for 277 00:17:54.200 --> 00:17:58.240 a shifting weight, maybe a clear of the throat, maybe 278 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:03.000 some sort of vocals. I just sat quiet, forty five 279 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:06.119 minutes in the dark, waiting. I wasn't quite you know, 280 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:09.400 I knew enough about Komber to know that the likelihood 281 00:18:09.440 --> 00:18:13.759 of an attack is extremely reduced, but you know, you're 282 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:15.519 at see anyway because you don't want to be the 283 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:20.799 one stat And finally I just stood up shut it 284 00:18:20.839 --> 00:18:24.119 off and said, hey, this has been wonderful. Thank you. 285 00:18:24.200 --> 00:18:26.720 If you're still here, I hope we can do some more. 286 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:30.839 And I hear the equipment in my truck and drove off. 287 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:37.200 That was one of the most curious incidences that I had. 288 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:43.599 But before that, my best vocal was simply sitting right 289 00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:46.319 at the edge of dust. The sun was just going down. 290 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:49.079 All of a sudden, we've got dog coyote action up 291 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:57.640 on the hill. Inswer standard are oh, and something goes. 292 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:09.720 Extremely allowed low base, almost sounds like a person in 293 00:19:09.720 --> 00:19:14.319 the sense, and it's just that wow sound that goes 294 00:19:14.359 --> 00:19:15.240 across the valley. 295 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:19.559 The canines were immediately quiet, so I was extremely suspicious. 296 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:24.680 Gave myself a fist bump, uh, you know, happy happy, 297 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:28.480 got it on recording. Send it to Michael Johnson over 298 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:32.319 at SI r U Sasquatch Investigation of the Rock. He's 299 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:35.880 got to Jeff Felick and numerous other people that are there, 300 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:41.920 and he will be back and called me back and said, Daniel, congratulations, 301 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:44.799 they do that here. And of course I didn't see 302 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:47.880 the soundmaker, but that certainly filled me with happiness. And 303 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:50.279 send it to another friend of mine who's deceased to 304 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:52.519 head them on his property. And he said the same, 305 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:55.680 and so I thought, okay, I've got to stick this 306 00:19:55.759 --> 00:20:01.200 place out more longer. So from about two thousand and 307 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:05.799 nine to when she passed away in twenty twenty two 308 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:08.960 or the twenty three, I spent a significant amount of 309 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:12.880 time on that property trying to get a visual. I 310 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:15.759 didn't do much banning. She was kind of against that, 311 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:18.559 even though she threw a lot of her refuse from 312 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:22.960 salads and stuff over the fence. And there were a 313 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:27.759 few tracks, and there were some more sounds. There was 314 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:32.519 wood knocking. And then I started interacting from the standpoint 315 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:35.440 of like leaving a white rock on the rock ledge, 316 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:39.799 noticing a big rock covered with moss, put on the 317 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:44.319 rock ledge, noticing a table picked up and moved across 318 00:20:44.359 --> 00:20:48.160 the yard, lead up against the house. Noticed that the 319 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:51.519 screens were taking off. The leaf ducks up ten feet 320 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:54.480 up on the roof and laid gently down at the base. 321 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:58.640 There were pipes, you know, the for the water that 322 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:02.559 might collect on the edge the roof. Those were taken off. 323 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:07.039 They gently in a nice pile under the clothesline. Up 324 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:10.839 to five times in one year and for five or 325 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:14.279 six years. So I started trying to get okay, what 326 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:20.160 can I do to possibly get some interesting things going? 327 00:21:20.599 --> 00:21:23.400 And somewhere along the line, I decided on a little 328 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:27.599 piece of tile from a bathroom floor, and I put 329 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:31.519 a penny on it. Somewhere along the line that penny 330 00:21:31.640 --> 00:21:37.480 was moved okay, well, crows, fox nos, and I put 331 00:21:37.519 --> 00:21:41.559 more coins on. I continued to be moved around, and 332 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:44.119 eventually they got to where they were set off and 333 00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:48.759 sitting vertical. And I noticed of all the things that happened, 334 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:51.680 taking the coin off and sliding it and making it 335 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:54.720 vertical along the edge of the tile or in a 336 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:58.680 different location, but the coins were put vertically. I thought 337 00:21:59.279 --> 00:22:02.960 that be something that's important that I can share in 338 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:09.079 the future. We'll see continued. Another interesting was there there 339 00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:11.640 were some bricks. One of the bricks was I noticed 340 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:17.119 it sitting at seven o'clock. Excuse me, five o'clock. I 341 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:19.519 made a flush, so it's like six o'clock lined up 342 00:22:19.519 --> 00:22:21.480 with all the other brooks. Each day I would come 343 00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:25.559 in here that brick is turned. Well. This went on 344 00:22:25.640 --> 00:22:27.960 and on for years, and I really didn't get a 345 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:31.319 lot accomplished, and unfortunately they weren't earning any tracks. There 346 00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:35.000 was a lot of suspicious things with potential tracks drug 347 00:22:35.079 --> 00:22:38.839 in the substrate, and so there's nothing convincing there. Really. 348 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:45.039 I left in twenty eighteen because I had to have 349 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:49.559 skin grab surgery from setting myself on fire accidentally. That's 350 00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:53.240 a long story for another time, but I've arrived. I 351 00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:57.920 was in the Dame Hospital for seventeen days the skin 352 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:01.119 grab surgery got back. One of the first things I 353 00:23:01.160 --> 00:23:04.200 did was I went to that property. Yeah, I'm telling you, 354 00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:10.200 it wasn't two days. And there was a plant there 355 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:18.119 and it was on the trading stone and the roots 356 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:22.359 were ripped off. And it's called burdock, which you may 357 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:25.799 well be familiar with. It's kind of like a sticker plant, right, 358 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:29.680 And I'm like, okay, why is there burdock on the 359 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:32.559 trading plot? So I go home and I check it 360 00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:34.759 out and the roots are ripped off and it turns 361 00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:38.359 out rets are a cancer inhibitor. Thank you. Apparently I 362 00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:40.880 didn't need that. And the next thing I'm looking at 363 00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:46.920 is what does brudock do? Well? Apparently it is very 364 00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:54.359 helpful with epidermal problems, particularly burns. The plant owner had 365 00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:56.960 nothing to do with this, and there were other things 366 00:23:57.000 --> 00:23:59.079 put on the trading block that she wasn't very happy with. 367 00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:01.640 So she would grow them and take them and put 368 00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:03.920 them on my truck and give me quite and have 369 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:08.799 quite a fit about them showing up. So anyway, my 370 00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:12.559 first question is how did this happen? One? And two? 371 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:16.680 If it's them, how would they know right? And I'm like, 372 00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:20.000 can they smell the burn? And my leg seventeen percent 373 00:24:20.079 --> 00:24:23.279 of the leg was burned below the knee, so you know, 374 00:24:23.319 --> 00:24:28.880 I'm third degree obviously necessary for skin grass, So that 375 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:31.400 was one of the big questions. From that location. I 376 00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:36.440 would get wood knocks and fog, and there would be 377 00:24:36.519 --> 00:24:39.880 incredible lay down beds and you're familiar with deer beds, 378 00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:42.880 these would be much bigger. And then if you get 379 00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:45.720 there early in the morning, there'll be due and there 380 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:51.559 would be uh trails where the bedmaker walked off and 381 00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:55.519 it wasn't deer, there was an impression with a large foot, 382 00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:58.079 so you know that could be extracted to black bear. 383 00:24:58.160 --> 00:25:01.880 Perhaps the best thing that happened on the property was 384 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:07.839 I had been instructed to talk to the woods, and 385 00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.079 so I thought was can't hurt, so why not? And 386 00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:13.359 I did that And in one case we used a 387 00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:16.519 game cam five feet three inches off the ground, attached 388 00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:23.640 to the narrow pole for the clothesline, and she had 389 00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:26.880 one of those narrow poles with the clothesline apparatus up 390 00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:31.160 above was strung with string or strung with wires so 391 00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:33.519 that she could hit close from it. But anyway, long 392 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:39.000 story short, I did get a silhouette shot, and it 393 00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:42.960 could be interpreted as some kind of odd dog, but 394 00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:45.839 you get head and shoulders, and what it appears to 395 00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:47.880 me is knowing that it was five ft three off 396 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:52.319 the ground, my guess is individual significantly higher than me 397 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:56.119 stepped back, bent down and looked into the camera and 398 00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:59.000 the flash did not go off. Unfortunately, that might have 399 00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:03.000 been that might caused the opposite effect with a blowout, 400 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:06.440 pure white, pure white image. I don't know, but anyway, 401 00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:10.039