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Let's get out to the hotline. Welcome and former BYU

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great Super Bowl Champion. We got Brady Papinga on the line, Beatpop.

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How you living?

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Speaker 4: What's up? Ben? How you doing, Buddy? Always fun to jump.

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Speaker 3: On do an awesome man. One of the best times

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of the year is we get We get Camp Kallani, Springball,

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we get March Madness and NFL free agency. The combine

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NFL free agency and eventually the draft coming up one

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of the most wonderful times of the year in my opinion.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty fun. Fan of the springball element. But uh,

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I get it. It's it's always good to talk football

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and specially to be Willia football. But but yeah, I

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think my favorite time of year is August September. Yeah,

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that where it gets really exciting.

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Speaker 3: No doubt about it.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, champions are built in the offseason. Uh

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what is uh what's the buzz around b YU right

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now during springball? Would you say?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean the guys are competing hard, you know,

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and I think that's just expected. That's just who these

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guys are, you know. And that's one thing that I

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always laugh at, you know. And you get these coaches

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sometimes and they're always like, we gotta we gotta find

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some physical or we gotta have a physical football team

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that can pete hard. You know. Well, the first step

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in doing that, ladies and gentlemen, you recruit those kind

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of guys. You recruit guys that are physical. You're recouit

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guys that are competitive, and then you just let them go.

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And that's what Kilani and their staff is done, is

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they got a high level, high volume amount of guys

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that are competitors. They put physical, they play hard, they

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like the game, actually love the game, and so you

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put the ball down anywhere. I mean, at any time.

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These guys are gonna go out. They're gonna play hard,

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they're gonna have fun doing it, They're gonna be physical,

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they're gonna do it the right way. And that's how

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they've been this whole time during the spring. And the

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things that just jump out of me, though, are you

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just have guys stack in years. You know, you have

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guys that maybe got the feet wet last year or

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entered the program last year. Bear, and now all of

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a sudden you have this whole time now where you

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kind of reset the installation, you reset you know, the

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how comfortable you are with certain things. Now you have

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an offense it's geared towards you, and all of a sudden,

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it's like, I'm just in the flow, you know. That's

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what Bar looks like right now, which is fun to see,

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you know. And then he's getting more and more comfortable

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with his new auditions at tight end and then also

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on the edges there with Casper, and Casper's looked great,

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by the way, the big tak receiver from Ore getting

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very good in the fade game. He's also shown some

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proficiency in this route running in the short area. Also,

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receivers have been very adept to reacting to man versus

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his own, finding the dead spaces in the zone, understanding

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the leverage points and man and where the help is,

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and then running away from the leverage point and not

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running towards help. You know, like for example, he's got

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a you know, middle of field safety, and you got

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a guy who's running a post. Oh, he's gonna skinny

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that post a little bit more if he's got a

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middlefield safety sit there, you know. And it's listen to

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nuances that I just don't know, we saw a lot

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of last year, which makes sense because you got guys

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that are kind of just learning. And then I'll talk

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that you're getting comfortable with this, you know, with quarter

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then we have two other quarterbacks that have looked also

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very sharp, you know, you know, watching the young guy,

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because he's so big and he's got all these different

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arm angles he can throw from and he's so rod

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just because he has showed up a couple of months ago.

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learning curve too, where every day he's kind of getting

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a little more comfortable, a little bit more in the flow.

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So it's been it's been good. I'd say overall is

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you're Kwai and that staff. You have to feel good.

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he continued on that same path. And like I said,

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if anything, you're gonna if there's any air here, just

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air to keep guys fresh, keep him healthy because they're

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Speaker 3: Do you feel like Kyler Casper could be a wide

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receiver one for BYU, similar to what like Chase was

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maybe last year for b Yu.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's you know who I receive one, two,

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three things an interesting conversation because it's not really dictated,

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pre determined. I mean, it's really not pre determined. I

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think that's what I'm getting at it. It's really who's

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open and who's gonna beat a guy like especially if

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you know it's Manda Man and and he's the guy

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that really seems like it doesn't matter who you have

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on him. He's he's able to use his height. His

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catch radious too, and and he's competitive. That's one thing

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too that people try to cut I I do don't

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don't give a lot of these receivers credit. Is when

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there are those fifty fifty balls or you got our

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you know, Carver corner just drades all over, you gotta

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find a way to make the play. And he's been

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doing that pretty consistently. He's been testing our guys, and

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our guys are good. You know, got Trey, you got

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south there that's uh, that's transfer. So we got some

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good corners and he's been he's done a nice job

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of being competitive. But I will say there's other guys

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too that are showing up and they're they're doing good stuff,

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and it's gonna come to me. It's very suf to

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just get open, make plays and gets like Jojo he's

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been looking good to But it's like, get open and

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make plays and they're just gonna give you the ball

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and then ball it's like, oh, I guess you're the one,

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you know, number one right, white out or whatever. Number

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one receiver. So just that's that's my thing is just

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get open, make plays. You're gonna get a lot of

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opportunities because guess what, everybody wants to see you make plays.

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of the BYU experiences. Those fans, man, it's it's it's

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just they yearn for people to make plays. They want

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to cheer for you, they want you to become legendary,

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you know, So just just just comply with them, man,

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Speaker 3: Go make some plays. We're gonna see a whole lot

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more twelve personnel this season for Kaloni Sataki Kalani was

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asked the question about who he's been most impressed by

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from a position group, and he mentioned Walker Lyons and

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Roger style of Paga. The two transfers, one from USC

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one from from Oregon and uh look like uh? Is

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this another dynamic doulo a like onto a tool a

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Melian had Lewis like under Johnny Harley and Dan Coat

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like onto Dennis Pitta and Andrew George. What do you

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Speaker 4: Well, it's it's very evident that it's very difficult when

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you have a two tight end tandem like that to

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defend because they can mold and morph without change of

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personnel groupings into a lot of different offenses. You know,

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they they can flex those guys out into the slot

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and make it basically a spread formation. They could flex

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the line of scrimmage where you can just make like

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the kind of motion of around. Now you got a

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twenty one personel look all with the same personnel grouping,

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and they're capable of doing that. I like about these

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tight ends that I feel like I haven't seen in

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a while, although we had some good tight end play

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last year. I'm not trying to, you know, thrill them

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under the bus. But one thing I feel like I'm

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seeing more with these two guys, as Fannie mentioned, is

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their propensity to get into a man and man situation.

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and then boom, they're open. I mean, it's like and

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it's tough. You know, these guys are not easy to cover,

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and it's nice to see that because that also creates

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a lot of actions for your quarterback, and it creates

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a lot of problems for defense if you try to

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man up these guys, because then you have to start

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to think. In addition to all your fun stuff that

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do we want a linebacker on this guy? Do you

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want a safety even or maybe at times we need

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a corner. So adds for defense is kind of another

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level of how you're going to implement your personnel, which

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complicates things. It doesn't help you, it makes it harder.

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far they can take it, because if, like I said,

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they get to a point to where they're just uncomfortable

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with the tight end up on a linebacker, now you

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have to make some adjustments in terms of your Manda

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some of these other guys showing some signs too of

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being really proficient against man and man, all of a sudden,

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now things start to read challenging for a defense, because

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you got to remember the reason why we're going to

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see a lot of Manda Man is because uh Manda

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man concepts. Cover three post safety stuff is because of

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wanting to stop Bear in our offensive rushing attack. So

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we're going to see a lot of it. They're not

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gonna want to go to you know, split safety that's

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allowing us just to gain yards. And the other complexity

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of Manda man also is you have to then have

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at their man to cover. He can run eight ten

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yards before all of a sudden you realize, oh, he's

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not throwing the ball, he's trying to run it. So

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there's some good stuff going on offensively. I'm I'm pretty impressed.

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lot of nuances of game planning, but they still have

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a defense to be extra detailed, layered in your ability

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like it. It's very different, you know, because the vibe

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last year in training camp was like, Okay, let's make

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this very simple, let's simplify this as much as we can.

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Where as now it's like, this is full blown what

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we can see it. It's a beautiful thing to watch.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love where those teams at right now. In

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your opinion, how does this team coming off of the

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eleven and two and twelve and two seasons, stay humble,

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stay hungry, and not fall prey to maybe that pride

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cycle this year?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean it comes down to the leaders. The

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leaders have to keep guys locked in and they have

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to also keep their their focus on what's most important,

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you know. I mean, are they okay with just showing

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up or they want to really go for what they're

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capable of? And as we all know, if you want

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to go with what your for what you're capable of,

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it is going to be the hardest way you could imagine.

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There's nothing easy about it and there will be nothing

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easy about it. And I hate to say it, I'm

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not trying to dog on the basketball team. But I

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think the basketball the football team has actually fallen into

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that trap where there was a lot of assumption of, hey,

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we got more talent, we could just show up and win,

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and all of a sudden, all these teams are less talented.

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You are just I mean, just ripping you apart. And

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it's because nothing is ever easy. As a matter of fact,

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the more talent you do have, it actually gets more

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complex because with it comes expectations, There's comes higher pressure

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from the outside, there comes that that interior intrinsic challenge.

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The thing we gotta we gotta keep pushing because we

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and then we got to find a way to get

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a chip on our shoulders. We have to keep this

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edge and urgency because the thing that will ultimately put

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YU over the top isn't raw talent. I hope people

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realize that it's not row talent. Now, raw talent helps,

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but it's the combination of broad talent and that BYU

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traditional underdog mentality that led to US beating Miami in

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nineteen ninety that led to us beating you know, Kansas State,

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Texas A and m in ninety six, that led to

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us having a heck of a run at two thousand

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and one. That led to us and you know my

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year two thousand and four to beat Door Dame and

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and and then you can go down you know where

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we went down and we beat Oklahoma in the Jerry

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World the first time and TCUs and you know, upsetting

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these teams that really, I mean, you go look at

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that Miami game. I don't know, so you guys, just

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just for fun, go YouTube that Miami game in nineteen

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ninety and go look at the receivers we had. Wow,

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I'm just still shocked. And I mean I was looking

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at our receivering car. I was like, ho, how did

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we how do we score let alone win the game? Right?

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But it's because dudes showed up and competed their tails

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off and they didn't care. They weren't caught up with talent,

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they weren't caught up with anything. Going out and finding

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a way to make it happen. Having some urgency and

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your competitive approach, those are the things that really have

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to happen. Now, you can have all the talent in

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the world, but if you don't have the combination of

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those two, then the talent will get canceled out, like

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we see them with the basketball team, and it'll be

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very disappointing. So the team has to get their mindset,

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and the mindset is this the way for them to

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achieve their goals is the only way possible is through

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the hardest, most challenging path that they're ever going to

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have to face. And if they don't accept that reality,

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then they're in for a really big surprise because guess

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what they're gonna face. Something else is equally as challenging,

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it as hard. That's just the nature of this game,

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the nature competition. It is going to be brutally hard.

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I don't care what talent we have. And so they

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keep them out and the colonia does a nice job

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and the staff does a nice job of that. I

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think we've got a chance. If not, then it's gonna

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be really frustrating to have to try to humble these

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dudes and get them back on track and get their

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focus back on. Half of that edge, which also may

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be part of the dealer is year. We just don't know.

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These guys are going to have to make that choice

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based off of how they're gonna approach this year.

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Speaker 3: Let's uh, one last thing regarding b YU football is

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it is it feasible to see like a two like

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an empty set with you know, two tight ends, Walker Lions,

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Roger Saliapaga and then these three other wide receivers. Kyler

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Casper six six two ten, Jojo Phillips sixty five to ten,

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Reggie frishnet sixty four to ten. That's a big receiving group.

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It kind of reminded me of like a Cody Hoffman

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Ross Oppo, Tarren Howe, Mitch Matthews, that crew with a

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bunch of tall, lanky, physical wide receivers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's I think that's that's possible. You know,

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I'm partial, quite frankly, to just this. Give me a

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five eight, one hundred and seventy five pound due that

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can get open. Give me that guy, just just any

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anything that's in his area, he is going to sacrifice

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his soul to get it. Give me that guy. I

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don't need size. I don't need these dudes that look good.

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Get them out of here if they can't get out

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there and compete. Quite frankly, I don't need a I

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don't need a pony. When I needed some freaking dogs, man,

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I need some rough edged dudes. They're gonna be on

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the edge. When the dude comes up and jam you,

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you better be disrespected that he would come up and

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put his hands on you to the point to where

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not that you're going to foul him, not that you're

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going to have to retaliate, but that you're gonna beat him,

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and you're gonna catch ball after ball after ballf and

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then you're gonna get back on the other day to kick.

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That's the guy, like, that's that's the guy I like

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to see, you know what I mean? That's the guy.

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What was that guy that we had that you had

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in six Cody that give me.

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Speaker 3: Nate mickelkel Man, Yeah, false love, Nate, mikel Eric Eric

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Drag give me this.

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Speaker 4: Give me those guys you know, now let's let's hey.

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I will tell you this. You give me those guys

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with the physical ability of the guys you just mentioned. Okay,

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now we got a real lethal combination. But I don't

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mean all this. You know, we we got look we

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look good, okay, but I played against a lot of

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teams that look good that suck. Okay, play you know.

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We gotta towns low. I mean, I out dude. Every

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single times we played the Cowboys. It was a dog

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and Pony Show. Even when I played on the Cowboys

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forging out loud. I'm looking around on my there's a

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lot of good looking players that are just not good,

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you know what I mean. I remember just so crazy,

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you know. And then you look at the Patriots, you know,

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even though the Packers. I'll never forget it, dude. And

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we were we were playing actually we're playing the Vikings,

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and Vikings had this minute they had like they had

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a future Hall of Famer in Hutchinson who was like

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six' five three point. FIFTY i swear he's like a.

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Bulldog then we had this big tackle he was From.

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MIAMI i forget his. Name he's like six eighty sixty.

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NINE i swear hes three hundred and seventy five. Pounds

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and then they have all these just big, dudes you.

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Know i'm looking at, them and THEN i look at

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our offense. Line our offensive line, average like we had

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our center literally was six feet and on and on the,

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program his name Is Scott well as you guys should

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look him. Up he's a he's a, redheaded short.

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Speaker 2: Guy.

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Speaker 4: Short so we got on The on the, program they

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listed him at two like ninety. Five in, reality he

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was a six foot two hundred and seventy pounds, center you,

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know what the? Heck and THEN i look at their defensive.

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Front you, know they Got Kevin, Williams Pat, williams they

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Got Jared, allen And i'm, like how is our offensive?

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Line that of how is this going to? Work and guess,

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what we hardly ever lost to those, guys hardly ever

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