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great Super Bowl Champion. We got Brady Papinga on the line, Beatpop.
How you living?
Speaker 4: What's up? Ben? How you doing, Buddy? Always fun to jump.
Speaker 3: On do an awesome man. One of the best times
of the year is we get We get Camp Kallani, Springball,
we get March Madness and NFL free agency. The combine
NFL free agency and eventually the draft coming up one
of the most wonderful times of the year in my opinion.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty fun. Fan of the springball element. But uh,
I get it. It's it's always good to talk football
and specially to be Willia football. But but yeah, I
think my favorite time of year is August September. Yeah,
that where it gets really exciting.
Speaker 3: No doubt about it.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, champions are built in the offseason. Uh
what is uh what's the buzz around b YU right
now during springball? Would you say?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean the guys are competing hard, you know,
and I think that's just expected. That's just who these
guys are, you know. And that's one thing that I
always laugh at, you know. And you get these coaches
sometimes and they're always like, we gotta we gotta find
some physical or we gotta have a physical football team
that can pete hard. You know. Well, the first step
in doing that, ladies and gentlemen, you recruit those kind
of guys. You recruit guys that are physical. You're recouit
guys that are competitive, and then you just let them go.
And that's what Kilani and their staff is done, is
they got a high level, high volume amount of guys
that are competitors. They put physical, they play hard, they
like the game, actually love the game, and so you
put the ball down anywhere. I mean, at any time.
These guys are gonna go out. They're gonna play hard,
they're gonna have fun doing it, They're gonna be physical,
they're gonna do it the right way. And that's how
they've been this whole time during the spring. And the
things that just jump out of me, though, are you
just have guys stack in years. You know, you have
guys that maybe got the feet wet last year or
entered the program last year. Bear, and now all of
a sudden you have this whole time now where you
kind of reset the installation, you reset you know, the
how comfortable you are with certain things. Now you have
an offense it's geared towards you, and all of a sudden,
it's like, I'm just in the flow, you know. That's
what Bar looks like right now, which is fun to see,
you know. And then he's getting more and more comfortable
with his new auditions at tight end and then also
on the edges there with Casper, and Casper's looked great,
by the way, the big tak receiver from Ore getting
very good in the fade game. He's also shown some
proficiency in this route running in the short area. Also,
I liked how all the guys in terms of offensive
receivers have been very adept to reacting to man versus
his own, finding the dead spaces in the zone, understanding
the leverage points and man and where the help is,
and then running away from the leverage point and not
running towards help. You know, like for example, he's got
a you know, middle of field safety, and you got
a guy who's running a post. Oh, he's gonna skinny
that post a little bit more if he's got a
middlefield safety sit there, you know. And it's listen to
nuances that I just don't know, we saw a lot
of last year, which makes sense because you got guys
that are kind of just learning. And then I'll talk
that you're getting comfortable with this, you know, with quarter
I'm referencing training camp, you know, getting comfortable with your quarterback.
And so that's very much behind us right now. And
then we have two other quarterbacks that have looked also
very sharp, you know, you know, watching the young guy,
I'd say is the guy that really is interesting, just
because he's so big and he's got all these different
arm angles he can throw from and he's so rod
just because he has showed up a couple of months ago.
But you kind of see him going through that same
learning curve too, where every day he's kind of getting
a little more comfortable, a little bit more in the flow.
So it's been it's been good. I'd say overall is
you're Kwai and that staff. You have to feel good.
You're especially happy guys that stayed healthy and just hope
he continued on that same path. And like I said,
if anything, you're gonna if there's any air here, just
air to keep guys fresh, keep him healthy because they're
looking good.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like Kyler Casper could be a wide
receiver one for BYU, similar to what like Chase was
maybe last year for b Yu.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's you know who I receive one, two,
three things an interesting conversation because it's not really dictated,
pre determined. I mean, it's really not pre determined. I
think that's what I'm getting at it. It's really who's
open and who's gonna beat a guy like especially if
you know it's Manda Man and and he's the guy
that really seems like it doesn't matter who you have
on him. He's he's able to use his height. His
catch radious too, and and he's competitive. That's one thing
too that people try to cut I I do don't
don't give a lot of these receivers credit. Is when
there are those fifty fifty balls or you got our
you know, Carver corner just drades all over, you gotta
find a way to make the play. And he's been
doing that pretty consistently. He's been testing our guys, and
our guys are good. You know, got Trey, you got
you know, got maybe there and you get you know,
I got a new addition from uh, you know down
south there that's uh, that's transfer. So we got some
good corners and he's been he's done a nice job
of being competitive. But I will say there's other guys
too that are showing up and they're they're doing good stuff,
and it's gonna come to me. It's very suf to
just get open, make plays and gets like Jojo he's
been looking good to But it's like, get open and
make plays and they're just gonna give you the ball
and then ball it's like, oh, I guess you're the one,
you know, number one right, white out or whatever. Number
one receiver. So just that's that's my thing is just
get open, make plays. You're gonna get a lot of
opportunities because guess what, everybody wants to see you make plays.
And that's the beauty of also being by U part
of the BYU experiences. Those fans, man, it's it's it's
just they yearn for people to make plays. They want
to cheer for you, they want you to become legendary,
you know, So just just just comply with them, man,
Just go ahead and do it.
Speaker 3: Go make some plays. We're gonna see a whole lot
more twelve personnel this season for Kaloni Sataki Kalani was
asked the question about who he's been most impressed by
from a position group, and he mentioned Walker Lyons and
Roger style of Paga. The two transfers, one from USC
one from from Oregon and uh look like uh? Is
this another dynamic doulo a like onto a tool a
Melian had Lewis like under Johnny Harley and Dan Coat
like onto Dennis Pitta and Andrew George. What do you
make of it?
Speaker 4: Well, it's it's very evident that it's very difficult when
you have a two tight end tandem like that to
defend because they can mold and morph without change of
personnel groupings into a lot of different offenses. You know,
they they can flex those guys out into the slot
and make it basically a spread formation. They could flex
one guy out, put one guy in the end of
the line of scrimmage like a general eleven personnel grouping.
Then you can put them both on the end of
the line of scrimmage where you can just make like
a twelve personnel with two tight ends on either side,
and then you can put one in the back of
the kind of motion of around. Now you got a
twenty one personel look all with the same personnel grouping,
and they're capable of doing that. I like about these
tight ends that I feel like I haven't seen in
a while, although we had some good tight end play
last year. I'm not trying to, you know, thrill them
under the bus. But one thing I feel like I'm
seeing more with these two guys, as Fannie mentioned, is
their propensity to get into a man and man situation.
Shake a guy, option off a guy, cut off a guy,
and then boom, they're open. I mean, it's like and
it's tough. You know, these guys are not easy to cover,
and it's nice to see that because that also creates
a lot of actions for your quarterback, and it creates
a lot of problems for defense if you try to
man up these guys, because then you have to start
to think. In addition to all your fun stuff that
you do on defense, you start have to wonder, okay,
do we want a linebacker on this guy? Do you
want a safety even or maybe at times we need
a corner. So adds for defense is kind of another
level of how you're going to implement your personnel, which
complicates things. It doesn't help you, it makes it harder.
And so it's interesting to see that. We'll see how
far they can take it, because if, like I said,
they get to a point to where they're just uncomfortable
with the tight end up on a linebacker, now you
have to make some adjustments in terms of your Manda
Man fits who you're gonna match up with. And those
are good things. And then when you have cas for
some of these other guys showing some signs too of
being really proficient against man and man, all of a sudden,
now things start to read challenging for a defense, because
you got to remember the reason why we're going to
see a lot of Manda Man is because uh Manda
man concepts. Cover three post safety stuff is because of
wanting to stop Bear in our offensive rushing attack. So
we're going to see a lot of it. They're not
gonna want to go to you know, split safety that's
allowing us just to gain yards. And the other complexity
of Manda man also is you have to then have
some spy to put their eyes on the quarterback because
you just can't go straight that man and man against Bear.
I mean, he's you're looking at the defense is looking
at their man to cover. He can run eight ten
yards before all of a sudden you realize, oh, he's
not throwing the ball, he's trying to run it. So
there's some good stuff going on offensively. I'm I'm pretty impressed.
And then you know, you got Roderick's's skill of and
they're they're an installation face, so you don't see a
lot of nuances of game planning, but they still have
a really cool schemes that just bust your reads as
a defense, you know, and so it requires you as
a defense to be extra detailed, layered in your ability
to decipher what's going on. So our offense is I
like it. It's very different, you know, because the vibe
last year in training camp was like, Okay, let's make
this very simple, let's simplify this as much as we can.
Where as now it's like, this is full blown what
we can see it. It's a beautiful thing to watch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love where those teams at right now. In
your opinion, how does this team coming off of the
eleven and two and twelve and two seasons, stay humble,
stay hungry, and not fall prey to maybe that pride
cycle this year?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean it comes down to the leaders. The
leaders have to keep guys locked in and they have
to also keep their their focus on what's most important,
you know. I mean, are they okay with just showing
up or they want to really go for what they're
capable of? And as we all know, if you want
to go with what your for what you're capable of,
it is going to be the hardest way you could imagine.
There's nothing easy about it and there will be nothing
easy about it. And I hate to say it, I'm
not trying to dog on the basketball team. But I
think the basketball the football team has actually fallen into
that trap where there was a lot of assumption of, hey,
we got more talent, we could just show up and win,
and all of a sudden, all these teams are less talented.
You are just I mean, just ripping you apart. And
it's because nothing is ever easy. As a matter of fact,
the more talent you do have, it actually gets more
complex because with it comes expectations, There's comes higher pressure
from the outside, there comes that that interior intrinsic challenge.
The thing we gotta we gotta keep pushing because we
and then we got to find a way to get
a chip on our shoulders. We have to keep this
edge and urgency because the thing that will ultimately put
YU over the top isn't raw talent. I hope people
realize that it's not row talent. Now, raw talent helps,
but it's the combination of broad talent and that BYU
traditional underdog mentality that led to US beating Miami in
nineteen ninety that led to us beating you know, Kansas State,
Texas A and m in ninety six, that led to
us having a heck of a run at two thousand
and one. That led to us and you know my
year two thousand and four to beat Door Dame and
and and then you can go down you know where
we went down and we beat Oklahoma in the Jerry
World the first time and TCUs and you know, upsetting
these teams that really, I mean, you go look at
that Miami game. I don't know, so you guys, just
just for fun, go YouTube that Miami game in nineteen
ninety and go look at the receivers we had. Wow,
I'm just still shocked. And I mean I was looking
at our receivering car. I was like, ho, how did
we how do we score let alone win the game? Right?
But it's because dudes showed up and competed their tails
off and they didn't care. They weren't caught up with talent,
they weren't caught up with anything. Going out and finding
a way to make it happen. Having some urgency and
your competitive approach, those are the things that really have
to happen. Now, you can have all the talent in
the world, but if you don't have the combination of
those two, then the talent will get canceled out, like
we see them with the basketball team, and it'll be
very disappointing. So the team has to get their mindset,
and the mindset is this the way for them to
achieve their goals is the only way possible is through
the hardest, most challenging path that they're ever going to
have to face. And if they don't accept that reality,
then they're in for a really big surprise because guess
what they're gonna face. Something else is equally as challenging,
it as hard. That's just the nature of this game,
the nature competition. It is going to be brutally hard.
I don't care what talent we have. And so they
keep them out and the colonia does a nice job
and the staff does a nice job of that. I
think we've got a chance. If not, then it's gonna
be really frustrating to have to try to humble these
dudes and get them back on track and get their
focus back on. Half of that edge, which also may
be part of the dealer is year. We just don't know.
These guys are going to have to make that choice
based off of how they're gonna approach this year.
Speaker 3: Let's uh, one last thing regarding b YU football is
it is it feasible to see like a two like
an empty set with you know, two tight ends, Walker Lions,
Roger Saliapaga and then these three other wide receivers. Kyler
Casper six six two ten, Jojo Phillips sixty five to ten,
Reggie frishnet sixty four to ten. That's a big receiving group.
It kind of reminded me of like a Cody Hoffman
Ross Oppo, Tarren Howe, Mitch Matthews, that crew with a
bunch of tall, lanky, physical wide receivers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's I think that's that's possible. You know,
I'm partial, quite frankly, to just this. Give me a
five eight, one hundred and seventy five pound due that
can get open. Give me that guy, just just any
anything that's in his area, he is going to sacrifice
his soul to get it. Give me that guy. I
don't need size. I don't need these dudes that look good.
Get them out of here if they can't get out
there and compete. Quite frankly, I don't need a I
don't need a pony. When I needed some freaking dogs, man,
I need some rough edged dudes. They're gonna be on
the edge. When the dude comes up and jam you,
you better be disrespected that he would come up and
put his hands on you to the point to where
not that you're going to foul him, not that you're
going to have to retaliate, but that you're gonna beat him,
and you're gonna catch ball after ball after ballf and
then you're gonna get back on the other day to kick.
That's the guy, like, that's that's the guy I like
to see, you know what I mean? That's the guy.
What was that guy that we had that you had
in six Cody that give me.
Speaker 3: Nate mickelkel Man, Yeah, false love, Nate, mikel Eric Eric
Drag give me this.
Speaker 4: Give me those guys you know, now let's let's hey.
I will tell you this. You give me those guys
with the physical ability of the guys you just mentioned. Okay,
now we got a real lethal combination. But I don't
mean all this. You know, we we got look we
look good, okay, but I played against a lot of
teams that look good that suck. Okay, play you know.
We gotta towns low. I mean, I out dude. Every
single times we played the Cowboys. It was a dog
and Pony Show. Even when I played on the Cowboys
forging out loud. I'm looking around on my there's a
lot of good looking players that are just not good,
you know what I mean. I remember just so crazy,
you know. And then you look at the Patriots, you know,
even though the Packers. I'll never forget it, dude. And
we were we were playing actually we're playing the Vikings,
and Vikings had this minute they had like they had
a future Hall of Famer in Hutchinson who was like
six' five three point. FIFTY i swear he's like a.
Bulldog then we had this big tackle he was From.
MIAMI i forget his. Name he's like six eighty sixty.
NINE i swear hes three hundred and seventy five. Pounds
and then they have all these just big, dudes you.
Know i'm looking at, them and THEN i look at
our offense. Line our offensive line, average like we had
our center literally was six feet and on and on the,
program his name Is Scott well as you guys should
look him. Up he's a he's a, redheaded short.
Speaker 2: Guy.
Speaker 4: Short so we got on The on the, program they
listed him at two like ninety. Five in, reality he
was a six foot two hundred and seventy pounds, center you,
know what the? Heck and THEN i look at their defensive.
Front you, know they Got Kevin, Williams Pat, williams they
Got Jared, allen And i'm, like how is our offensive?
Line that of how is this going to? Work and guess,
what we hardly ever lost to those, guys hardly ever
lost it because there were a dog and pony show
and we had the, substance, right we have the. Competitiveness
so that's my point of the. Day and that's WHAT
i want to see out of these. Guys and we've
seen some good, competition you, know it's been. Good but
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