Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen. What what's going to happen?
Speaker 1: What help.
Speaker 2: You know in various ways. But but also you would
Speaker 2: be given this opportunity to witness these epiphanies from the
Speaker 2: ascended masters uh and and uh and the visions right
Speaker 2: that apparently would would be provided to to the initiates
Speaker 2: or the initiated members, right and and apparently this is
Speaker 2: when the expert in the production of holographic images, and
Speaker 2: Antonio Dutois came into this story because he was providing
Speaker 2: the obviously behind the curtain and apparently I believe it
Speaker 2: was the ambros son, the Mambro's son later blew the
Speaker 2: whistle on this, right as he leaves the coult and
Speaker 2: and I believe also the uh, the alleged solar god king,
Speaker 2: the the child Emmanuel.
Speaker 1: Right. It's very interesting because it turns out that.
Speaker 2: Basically as she continues to age, she essentially just and
Speaker 2: ages out of the cult in a way and it's
Speaker 2: like this is absolutely ridiculous, like I am not a
Speaker 2: part of this, right and uh and as she leaves,
Speaker 2: she she kind of like collaborates with her brother and
Speaker 2: and essentially kind of blows the whistle on the inderworkings
Speaker 2: of of this sort of elaborate scheme of providing these
Speaker 2: holographic images that that and are supposed to to you know,
Speaker 2: obviously be this this ascended Master.
Speaker 1: That's that's you know, sort.
Speaker 2: Of providing you with with a potential vision, which I
Speaker 2: think was also a part of psychedelics that you know
Speaker 2: that we're being provided. So I don't know you consider
Speaker 2: all of that with with sort of like the decorpoate
Speaker 2: what is it decorporealizing right of of of the the
Speaker 2: transit to the Star Serius. Like it's strange because this
Speaker 2: is where you're supposed to join the ascended Masters and
Speaker 2: and you're now basically transcended as into an immortal and
Speaker 2: an awakened soul, right and and yeah, it's very interesting,
Speaker 2: but it seems to be like the Star Serius is
Speaker 2: a massive part of this donning age of Aquarius in
Speaker 2: some strange way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's do you think it's like part belief system,
Speaker 3: part part of this hypnotic program that they're programming with this.
Speaker 2: Antie exactly because the anti cult network was heavily involved
Speaker 2: in this exact moment, and essentially the European anti cult
Speaker 2: network was basically they firmly established themselves off of the
Speaker 2: back of especially the ots, which I found very interesting,
Speaker 2: and basically started issuing these these kind of proclamations against
Speaker 2: these new ag esoteric organizations and things of that nature,
Speaker 2: which I found interesting because all of the anti cult
Speaker 2: network seems to directly tie into a lot of m
Speaker 2: k Ultra operatives who who who tend to be like
Speaker 2: Rabbi Maurice Davis being one of them, obviously doctor johny
Speaker 2: On West Uh, clearly doctor Jolly's one of them. But
Speaker 2: you know, still it's like we have the dark Sorcerer
Speaker 2: of m k Ultra himself, right, Who's doctor sid Sidney Gottlieb.
Speaker 2: Who's who's kind of employing a lot of these these
Speaker 2: m k Ultra operatives who are now becoming key prominent,
Speaker 2: you know, individuals and advocates of the anti cult network
Speaker 2: who are then going into all these scandals and cases
Speaker 2: and infiltrating and and sort of you know, just sawing
Speaker 2: themselves into the yeah to the criminal trials and various
Speaker 2: things of that nature too. With the False Memory Syndrome
Speaker 2: Foundation and the Right Board of Advisors of the Scientific
Speaker 2: Board of Advisors that are on that as.
Speaker 3: Far as I think, you're pointing out some great things here,
Speaker 3: because once these things fail and they get rolled up,
Speaker 3: then they have to come up with a new program.
Speaker 3: So the anti cult network you were just describing, you know,
Speaker 3: Scientology sues the largest organization. They're the one that's really
Speaker 3: orchestrating all that stuff, the Cult Awareness Network. They sue
Speaker 3: them out of existence Serra nineteen ninety four, right around
Speaker 3: the same times, and then they get all their assets.
Speaker 3: So then the scary thought is real quick if when
Speaker 3: you start calling the cold awareness that we're to get
Speaker 3: out of cult, you start talking to Scientology and no
Speaker 3: one knew about it for years.
Speaker 2: Man, there's so many different parallels in my mind as
Speaker 2: well to Scientology and in many ways to the Ota
Speaker 2: doctrine as well, and the way they kind of function.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's just like that is what struck me. Clearly.
Speaker 2: They were much more of of, you know, a secret
Speaker 2: society than even a cult group in my mind, Like
Speaker 2: it's kind of how they functioned, and they were sort
Speaker 2: of just like, what is it? The uh Neo Templar
Speaker 2: Renaissance is essentially what they claimed that Joseph de Maambro
Speaker 2: was basically you know, responsible.
Speaker 4: For and always a Joseph Right.
Speaker 1: Funny.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm just I'm fascinated by all of this
Speaker 2: because this kid, Emmanuel right, who's considered the cosmic child,
Speaker 2: and uh an Avatar right, and and it does like
Speaker 2: their aim was was sex magic.
Speaker 3: You know, just obviously you're you're always it always is.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, but.
Speaker 4: I find it like interesting too.
Speaker 5: You mentioned about the marriages, Like the month before JFK died,
Speaker 5: Jackie goes on Onnassas's yacht, pissed off because her baby
Speaker 5: passed away and he didn't want to come and deal
Speaker 5: with it. And so then all of a sudden, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: twice twice he did this.
Speaker 4: To her twice.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: Her sister was dating on Nassas and she talks her
Speaker 5: into getting on this yacht, which he then tells her,
Speaker 5: you better get off that yacht if you have to swim.
Speaker 5: And I'm curious, like if they did this drugging to
Speaker 5: her and made her believe a that her husband's going
Speaker 5: to die, which hello, and b that you know she
Speaker 5: actually was truly in love with Onassis because he mentioned
Speaker 5: on the yacht to his help, which is documented that
Speaker 5: that will be my next wife.
Speaker 1: That is crazy.
Speaker 5: I did not know that Gabor a nice diamond bracelet
Speaker 5: on her exit out and her sister that was the
Speaker 5: girl got like some little trinket.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 6: Someone put in the comments that Emmanuel means God with
Speaker 6: us in Biblical God.
Speaker 7: Is God is with us. I honestly.
Speaker 6: I thought the based on like what ancient Aliens said,
Speaker 6: that the little girl Emmanuel was possessed by an alien
Speaker 6: or something like that. Of course they went with that direction,
Speaker 6: but it sounds like before we started recording that you
Speaker 6: fad program to kill. I know JJ has to, and
Speaker 6: I think people have a hard time thinking that secret
Speaker 6: societies or cult ritualism or government programs are independent of
Speaker 6: each other and that they somehow can't be connected because
Speaker 6: people just like to put things in boxes like, oh,
Speaker 6: this is a ritual or oh this is a secret society.
Speaker 6: It can't be tied to the government in some way.
Speaker 6: And it's like, that's the biggest mistake you can make,
Speaker 6: is making those two things separate and independent of each other,
Speaker 6: because most of the time they run in tandem or
Speaker 6: they are directly involved with each other. So to me,
Speaker 6: when I saw this story about the solar Temple. It
Speaker 6: was like, what three letter agencies connected with forming this group?
Speaker 6: Much like the Manson family and more notable cults throughout time,
Speaker 6: they're always related to something.
Speaker 1: I would argue that three letter agency may in factor
Speaker 1: be the s OC.
Speaker 7: All right, then, so there you go.
Speaker 3: It makes sense to me. But I mean you're a
Speaker 3: spot on there, Julia, for sure. Oh yeah, everything that
Speaker 3: you just said I entirely agree with.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: It's something that I just at a certain point when
Speaker 2: you it's just I do not believe in coincidence any longer, right,
Speaker 2: Like it's just been driven out of me. There's no
Speaker 2: there's no way in hell at this point at that again,
Speaker 2: at this level of uh and of research right where
Speaker 2: it just it's it becomes undeniable where you have like
Speaker 2: these these crazy ass political mafia Gladio ties to to Gurre.
Speaker 1: And and Demembro, where you had.
Speaker 2: Like basically there was even a psychiatrist who who made
Speaker 2: this this support of this claim that the the affair
Speaker 2: had a political mafia tie, citing possible links between Jorre
Speaker 2: and members of Gladio, which clearly that comes in the
Speaker 2: form of Julian Rigez in many ways, which is very
Speaker 2: interesting story that that specifically ties in, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: the Gladio operation. But what's what's interesting here is just
Speaker 2: that you have basically this trail which seems to implicate
Speaker 2: that Demambrol was linked to Jean Luis Farge, a Tuln
Speaker 2: crime boss who was murdered in ninety three apparently. And
Speaker 2: so there was the ots was basically implicated in these
Speaker 2: French political scandals, and there were all these connections with
Speaker 2: the French politicians like Charles Pascal and this assassination of
Speaker 2: Jan Piet I believe, and and so it's it's interesting
Speaker 2: because it seems like there's clearly, if you look at
Speaker 2: the Alex Constantine archive.
Speaker 1: Like he's a great resource.
Speaker 2: By the way, every time I stumble upon some connection
Speaker 2: that he's he's provided like the at least a resource
Speaker 2: as far as an investigative accountant.
Speaker 1: He tends to take.
Speaker 2: A direction that appeals directly to, you know, my the
Speaker 2: way that I kind of view the world in general.
Speaker 2: But as far as just uh, you know, the international
Speaker 2: covert intelligence apparatus.
Speaker 1: That seems to be very well entrenched. But but he
Speaker 1: basically we did a great job when I ran Contra
Speaker 1: and O. J. Simpson stuff too there.
Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah, yep, yeah, it gets it gets nuts
Speaker 2: because you know, they basically were claiming that through destroying
Speaker 2: the chalets where the deaths had all taken place, basically
Speaker 2: the evidence had been burned and and obviously that was
Speaker 2: a key component of what they were hoping to attempt
Speaker 2: to to cover up was was clearly they but so
Speaker 2: found dead and in the Vercors though Wash was apparently
Speaker 2: an agent of the intelligence service that was close to Pascal.
Speaker 1: And uh so there there.
Speaker 2: Was a presentation of of these sources of uh that
Speaker 2: apparently an agent of the Central Directorate of the Order
Speaker 2: Police was a mole who had infiltrated the Order and
Speaker 2: that so this this is a it's very interesting because
Speaker 2: apparently you have a combination here of international arms smuggling,
Speaker 2: right the presence of BCCI obviously, which which is just
Speaker 2: completely a CIA cut out, and then you have these
Speaker 2: Canadian journalists that were followers of the mambro and Jeor
Speaker 2: Ray who were also killed allegedly to bury public disclosures
Speaker 2: of this gun running and money laundering at the same time.
Speaker 2: So it seems like very much like Jonestown, where they're
Speaker 2: just kind of like Okay, Operation green Light the cover
Speaker 2: up here basically, right, and and essentially we have to
Speaker 2: cover our tracks here and if we never let a
Speaker 2: good crisis go to waste. And obviously we're going to
Speaker 2: take victims of the Montreal experiments, maybe even undocumented children
Speaker 2: of some kind that right, that you've been conducting experiments on.
Speaker 2: And then who knows why, oh, doctor Leslie Moutu just
Speaker 2: can't count because the Guyanese are retarded. But in reality, right,
Speaker 2: it's it's the fact that they're just.
Speaker 3: Adding bodies to the pile because they're trying to cut
Speaker 3: tie off all these loose ends for these covert operations
Speaker 3: that are being conducted.
Speaker 2: All over the world. That's what bo Gritz said happened
Speaker 2: at Jonestown. He said, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Speaker 2: This is what green bereys told me. Who flew in
Speaker 2: on the site were told to fire on site from
Speaker 2: the helicopter you had green berets. Specifically, there was one
Speaker 2: individual green Beray, who claimed that he was flown into
Speaker 2: the remote location in the Jungles of Guyana there to
Speaker 2: the People's agricultural project and he basically was told that
Speaker 2: all the green berets were told to fire on site,
Speaker 2: and they so, he said, as they flew in in
Speaker 2: the helicopter, he witnesses survivor running up as the helicopter's landing,
Speaker 2: calling for help, and they fired upon them before the
Speaker 2: helicopter even landed. That was the alleged story that was
Speaker 2: told the Bo Gritz and Bo Grits. He said that
Speaker 2: he was told that exactly what I just said happened,
Speaker 2: that they potentially had taken MK Ultra victims from doctor
Speaker 2: Ewan Cameron's Montreal experiments in Canada and just dropped the
Speaker 2: bodies in the People's temple as far as as far
Speaker 2: as just kind of like linked them directly to you know.
Speaker 2: That's why all the body bags were already prepared and ready,
Speaker 2: and the Joint chiefs of Staff where it's just like man,
Speaker 2: all of this was and the site itself had been
Speaker 2: secured by the CIA and and Golan for training up
Speaker 2: and Golan rebels and shit prior to this, and in
Speaker 2: operation was it Project Shalom or Operations Shalom, which which
Speaker 2: ties in Colston Westbrook, who's a Project Phoenix operative. And
Speaker 2: this guy is the guy who set up the pipeline
Speaker 2: US as a who comes back he gets a call. Right,
Speaker 2: all right, man, uh you we're good with your project Phoenix,
Speaker 2: uh covert operations to come back here with those skills
Speaker 2: that you've acquired, and and let's place you at U. C.
Speaker 1: Berkeley as a as a fake professor to set up.
Speaker 3: A pipeline too to an institution in California that that
Speaker 3: happens to house.
Speaker 1: Uh right.
Speaker 2: Uh, well, first of all, it was outed by Congressman
Speaker 2: Leo Ryan as being a key uh facility for m
Speaker 2: k Ultra experiments at the time. They were they were
Speaker 2: basically utilizing the California prison complex and uh they had
Speaker 2: prison guards who were on the payroll, and they were
Speaker 2: they were running these m k Ultra experiments and then
Speaker 2: releasing prisoners and claiming they escaped, and they would, like you,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, they would turn up in Dallas,
Speaker 2: all the way across the country committing a mass shooting
Speaker 2: and I get a yeah, get a very light sentence,
Speaker 2: and then he brought back to that specific institution.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But still it's insane that Colston Westbrook set up that
Speaker 2: pipeline that Patty Hurst wound up in visiting Donald sink
Speaker 2: you to freeze before she was ever kidnapped, right at
Speaker 2: that specific facility where MK Ultra experiments were being conducted.
Speaker 2: It's just the Manson girls who were in that situation
Speaker 2: as well. So you look at the what was it,
Speaker 2: the hydra, the cobra of the s LA, the symbol
Speaker 2: of the Symbionese Liberation Army.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just like, well, you're describing.
Speaker 3: All these innate plans and details and stuff right when
Speaker 3: you do a great job at also but I think
Speaker 3: the one thing they consider was you're describing how quickly
Speaker 3: these folks operate. Is when they go into these operations,
Speaker 3: they have contingency plans, they have plans to roll the
Speaker 3: things up, and they have plans to move forward. So
Speaker 3: in the event these things do happen, these things are
Speaker 3: already in place. Yeah, they just got to hit the switch, right,
Speaker 3: So you know, you know, I think that's one thing
Speaker 3: I've seen over the years is folks trying to you know,
Speaker 3: they have you're not having you know, you're explained that.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to you know, hammer him.
Speaker 3: The point you're making there is these things are well developed,
Speaker 3: well established, and when when things ship does with the fan,
Speaker 3: they have a number of different contingency plans in which
Speaker 3: the deal with things. So which is how you're describing
Speaker 3: out quickly these things roll up and operate continuously.
Speaker 6: Oh so you're saying like this is the French jonestown
Speaker 6: pretty much?
Speaker 1: She feels like it, But of course I mean it's
Speaker 1: any different, right, yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 2: The geographical designation of the group itself was obviously primarily France, Switzerland,
Speaker 2: and then what French Quebec Canada, right and.
Speaker 3: Like that to me French Guyana right, yeah, it's yeah,
Speaker 3: and right on the border by the way, right, and
Speaker 3: which is very interesting because of the covert operations that
Speaker 3: they would launch from that area.
Speaker 1: It's clearly it was a black site.
Speaker 3: Man, what you're dealing with a Belgian Belgian mercenary, right,
Speaker 3: We're dealing with the French Belgian mercenary fella.
Speaker 1: Right exactly. And that's what network.
Speaker 3: Right, like an Operation forty or a few experierum kind
Speaker 3: of network or the part of the military assistance command, right,
Speaker 3: that of Bill Colby, right, because Bill Golby is involved
Speaker 3: in all the business relative.
Speaker 1: To P two as well, right exactly. And you can
Speaker 1: ship what am I talking about?
Speaker 3: Bill Colby setup Gladio and during Sun testified against Orenthal
Speaker 3: J Simpson just saying.
Speaker 2: During Operation Condor, I just realized that they're just they're
Speaker 2: just naming this based on the geographical representation of the
Speaker 2: of this this bird, right, Phoenix, Uh, Condor. You have
Speaker 2: these various uh you know, manifestations of the it's the.
Speaker 1: Same project, right.
Speaker 2: And what I realized that what was happening with Condor
Speaker 2: is that they had this joint intelligence operation that they
Speaker 2: were all conducting. I forget the location where they all
Speaker 2: had the meeting, uh to to effectively, you know, just
Speaker 2: they established the agenda in a very you know, uh
Speaker 2: strategic and uh you know, they had a hierarchy of
Speaker 2: priorities that they were that they were implementing here. And
Speaker 2: and I believe that's obviously why you have a Colonia
Speaker 2: Dignidad and right being utilized in the remote jungles of Chile, right,
Speaker 2: and and they're just like, what are they doing there?
Speaker 2: And that's what that's by the way, that's how I
Speaker 2: discovered the OTS was through the Colonia Dignidad story, which
Speaker 2: I was introduced to from Jonestown. And that's what had
Speaker 2: happened is that Adam from Deborah gets red pilled, which
Speaker 2: I miss him. I was I wish they were still
Speaker 2: doing stuff, man, because I love Adam.
Speaker 1: He was always good to me. Good. Yeah, he's so relaxed.
Speaker 6: The way you present stuff is like, all right, I
Speaker 6: feel like I'm just talking to like one of my friends.
Speaker 1: About you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 2: He he was our very first producer for Already Dead
Speaker 2: when Jose and I started, because I had gotten to
Speaker 2: know Adam just from he invited me on when they
Speaker 2: were still doing I think I was actually the very
Speaker 2: last episode they ever did, which I was.
Speaker 1: Like, Man, that makes me sad, you know.
Speaker 2: But at the same time they said as much while
Speaker 2: while they introduced me and stuff. But I think he's
Speaker 2: just living that life, you know, as far as his
Speaker 2: core principles, he's actually exercising them as a homesteader.
Speaker 1: Like it's beautiful to see.
Speaker 2: I think he got his purple belt in jiu jitsu
Speaker 2: by the time he was about to leave the show,
Speaker 2: and he's like, man, I gotta leave because my jiu
Speaker 2: jitsu class. And I think it just was kind of
Speaker 2: he was, you know, opting out at that point.
Speaker 3: And I get it at a certain level, but I
Speaker 3: live in a man down by the river. So sometimes
Speaker 3: you just got to do these things in life, exactly, buddy, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I very much admire it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, anyway, to say the least that he's the
Speaker 2: one who introduced me to Colonia Dignidad because he had
Speaker 2: brought me on. We just were talking about all different
Speaker 2: you know, things that we've covered, and and jonestown of
Speaker 2: course came up and and then I was introduced to
Speaker 2: Colonia Dignidad. I had no idea that that that existed.
Speaker 2: And and you know.
Speaker 1: Paul Schaeffer, the pedophile s S officer who.
Speaker 2: Fled, who fled, and and and uh with all these children,
Speaker 2: you know, and while and then he uh he uh
Speaker 2: he resurfaces in Chile and and he he he creates
Speaker 2: this this Nazi safe haven and in the Chile and jungle.
Speaker 2: And and that, by the way, still exists this day.
Speaker 2: I forget the name of it now, but it's been renamed.
Speaker 2: But it basically was a Nazi enclave in in Chile
Speaker 2: during the Pinochet and right during these massive uh it.
Speaker 1: Was the right exactly.
Speaker 2: So they were sending political prisoners to Colonia Dignidad to
Speaker 2: get tortured and ship and they had underground bunkers. They
Speaker 2: had a whole weapons uh arsenal that they were manufacturing weapons.
Speaker 2: It had an air strip where apparently what's his name,
Speaker 2: Joseph Mangela stayed in Colonia Dignidad for a time. They
Speaker 2: said he would come and visit and that this was
Speaker 2: a way for them to essentially uh you know, uh
Speaker 2: of a skirt any sort of and circumvent any sort
Speaker 2: of real like uh, you know, customs or anything of
Speaker 2: that nature. Right, this is a this is a cleandestine operation,
Speaker 2: so we need you know, covert flights.
Speaker 3: And I learned about it through a spook, So isn't
Speaker 3: that weird? Oh my god, Peter lavend I learned about.
Speaker 5: Bringing up barrel and who all went and visited Bariloch
Speaker 5: each president except for few, so.
Speaker 2: Man, and you know, there's a there was a file
Speaker 2: they found in Paul Schaeffer's archives that was a JFK
Speaker 2: file and had bullets that matched the gun allegedly, And
Speaker 2: it's just so crazy that that. And by the way,
Speaker 2: there's a connection there to the Lettlea assassination Eva in
Speaker 2: d C, who is a diplomat that was just killed
Speaker 2: in the car bomb, and and that was apparently.
Speaker 3: Bomb I took I took I took Nick by that
Speaker 3: site on our d C tour. When I took Nick
Speaker 3: on a d C too, I took him out of
Speaker 3: that's right, that's right by. That's right by the Society
Speaker 3: Cincinnati headquarters. It's literally right there.
Speaker 7: It's connected to the Solar Tip.
Speaker 3: The bombing, Yeah, that bombing is connected to the It's
Speaker 3: connected to the Colonia Dignidad, right, which, yeah, the Nazi
Speaker 3: in Chile.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm sorry I jumped around.
Speaker 3: Do you recall when Peter Lavenda went down there and
Speaker 3: invaded that place and created an international incident.
Speaker 1: Invaded He definitely invaded that place, right, He was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I was just a young dude.
Speaker 3: It was just going places and looking at things. He
Speaker 3: worked for the software company at the time. It was
Speaker 3: also employed his buddy John Podesta. Isn't it weird that
Speaker 3: both Thelamites, decades later, we're doing all this alien stuff
Speaker 3: together when they started out together doing that.
Speaker 6: My God, Austin, something just really quick. I don't know
Speaker 6: how much time we're going to go on for, but
Speaker 6: I just wanted to ask Austin about the Third Incident
Speaker 6: really quick before we wrap, Like the Solar Temple because
Speaker 6: in my opinion, it's the weirdest one out of all three.
Speaker 7: I think it's the weirdest one.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I think that, you know, it's it definitely,
Speaker 2: it's it's super interesting as far as each each individual
Speaker 2: uh you know, uh mass death that occurred, it was
Speaker 2: it was definitely you know, just to me, each and
Speaker 2: every one of them seemed to to provide another window
Speaker 2: into the real actual motivation you know that was playing
Speaker 2: out here, in which I believe was just that. Again,
Speaker 2: I think that this organization itself was entirely.
Speaker 1: Just kind of overexposed.
Speaker 2: And I think the criminal investigations that being conducted into
Speaker 2: Duret and Demembro himself for for effectively, you know, he
Speaker 2: he had uh you had members of the cult who
Speaker 2: were leaving and they were apparently, you know, filing lawsuits
Speaker 2: against Demambro for apparently you know, gaining control of major
Speaker 2: portions of their private property and things of that nature,
Speaker 2: as in sort of this this way of convincing them,
Speaker 2: you know, to hand over their assets in a strange way.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, it's it's definitely, Uh, I'll get into
Speaker 2: this this third instant incident because like what what you
Speaker 2: have to realize too, is that like the way these
Speaker 2: bodies were found in the original uh in Cherrie, Switzerland. Right,
Speaker 2: it's crazy because this is a room that had been
Speaker 2: converted right Sophie stopped it's my dog, I'm sorry, into
Speaker 2: uh into a this conference center, right that was chill
Speaker 2: out anyway, that was that was basically converted into like
Speaker 2: again this this uh secret ritual chamber in a way.
Speaker 1: But they found all these.
Speaker 2: Handbags, suitcases, clothes, you know, the switch Swiss, French and
Speaker 2: Canadian passports. So obviously for the organization, I think again
Speaker 2: it kind of like plays out that that they were
Speaker 2: obviously you know, facilitating a lot of these uh you know,
Speaker 2: weapons sales and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: And and and.
Speaker 2: That definitely seems to have provided many of these in
Speaker 2: the financial assets of the organization itself and how they
Speaker 2: were kind of utilizing uh, the enterprise.
Speaker 1: But there were all these traces.
Speaker 2: Of blood on the floor and and uh and the
Speaker 2: false store right that that basically is what led them
Speaker 2: to as far as the traces of blood led them
Speaker 2: to the false dore uh and in the wall right
Speaker 2: to the other room, which is this is what I
Speaker 2: thought was worth noting. It's draped with crimson satin wall
Speaker 2: coverings as you mentioned before, right as far as just
Speaker 2: the way the actual room looked, and it was adorned
Speaker 2: with this messiah like painting of Luke Gerrae. And this
Speaker 2: is where they had found the eighteen bodies that were
Speaker 2: arranged in a sunlike circle, right, and.
Speaker 3: Their heads were pointing outwards. Inside the circle was a
Speaker 3: golden chalice on an altar, and you had these very
Speaker 3: tall mirrors that filled the room.
Speaker 1: And so you had a.
Speaker 3: Small temple, a smaller temple where like three bodies or
Speaker 3: more we're lying as well. And this twenty third corpse
Speaker 3: was found in a separate room at the foot of
Speaker 3: a table.
Speaker 1: But some of the.
Speaker 2: Bodies had plastic bags over their heads and some were
Speaker 2: even handcuffed behind their backs. Twenty had traces of bullet wounds,
Speaker 2: and investigators even said that some cultists had been injected
Speaker 2: with powerful drugs before their deaths, so that at least
Speaker 2: corroborates what I had mentioned earlier about the pharmaceutical you know,
Speaker 2: batches that had just recently been provided leading up to this,
Speaker 2: which seemed to be far more you know it the
Speaker 2: number of the batches themselves, right, that as far as
Speaker 2: how much they were actually receiving, seemed to implicate that
Speaker 2: they had something planned for, right, this sort of mass
Speaker 2: transit exodus in a way. So at the very least
Speaker 2: you have membership, at least members of the leadership that
Speaker 2: were very much you know, read in on this. But
Speaker 2: then you have one hundred miles south of Shecheri right after,
Speaker 2: by the way, you have all these you know, white, black, red,
Speaker 2: and golden ceremonial robes that were discovered and some of
Speaker 2: the bodies at the farm, right, and police discovered a sword, right,
Speaker 2: three rifles, a box of ammunition, empty champagne bottles littered
Speaker 2: the scene, and a freezer was filled with vegetables growing
Speaker 2: by sect members. And it was interesting because the bullet
Speaker 2: wounds on the bodies they didn't correspond with any of
Speaker 2: the weapons found at the farm, which obviously suggests that
Speaker 2: someone performed executions and then fled the scene, which was
Speaker 2: another thing that investigators were pointing out that was something
Speaker 2: worth the you know, being aware of, obviously, because that
Speaker 2: definitely does imply that that clearly these individuals were under
Speaker 2: the you know, impression that they were they were just
Speaker 2: you know, I think performing a ritual having a party
Speaker 2: and then effectively were mass murdered and one hundred miles
Speaker 2: south of Sherry, Switzerland.
Speaker 3: Right, you have fires break out. I think that's a
Speaker 3: great point you make there by May real quick y Alston.
Speaker 3: That's a great point you make where some I think
Speaker 3: some of these folks they think they're doing a ritual
Speaker 3: and then you know, I think it goes wrong with them,
Speaker 3: just like when they say, like with all these false
Speaker 3: flags and they're doing an exercise and suddenly it goes live,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's kind of the same kind of concept. I think
Speaker 1: within this ritual sack.
Speaker 3: I don't think all these people are signing up for
Speaker 3: ritual sacrifices, you know what I mean. No, they're being dupe.
Speaker 3: They're being duped is what I'm getting. And they're being
Speaker 3: told it's some sort of ritual they're participating in. Then whoops,
Speaker 3: the days we.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 9: No, Definitely that brings up a good question, a question
Speaker 9: that I had earlier kind of with the first one.
Speaker 9: I'm not trying to like take away from the this
Speaker 9: third one, but uh, you know.
Speaker 1: I promise you I'll talk about it, Julia, Sorry, Nick,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 9: Just even like looking at how you think blackmail and
Speaker 9: rich people could there really have been nothing, no outcome
Speaker 9: from the sex magic except for blackmail.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, like I think that's part of it, right,
Speaker 3: it's it's the whole. I call it the whole hog effective.
Speaker 3: They also just called the whole.
Speaker 1: So there.
Speaker 3: I just don't want folks to get you know, that's
Speaker 3: a great point because folks position they're doing all of
Speaker 3: the things, right, I.
Speaker 8: Think you gotta have sex to make this work. They'll
Speaker 8: do it.
Speaker 4: They had to charge, Yeah, whatever, for sure, I think
Speaker 4: it's a great year.
Speaker 1: That's definitely part of it. Yeah, now go back.
Speaker 2: I just when you when you get into the third
Speaker 2: event in ninety seven, right, it's I think it was
Speaker 2: March of ninety seven is when it actually occurred.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is where you.
Speaker 2: Have you know, they burned down the house with them inside,
Speaker 2: which clearly is another example of just entirely destroying evidence.
Speaker 2: I think was a major component of what they were
Speaker 2: attempting to achieve here. And it goes without saying, honestly,
Speaker 2: as far as the incendiary devices that were all strategically placed,
Speaker 2: and and and as the investigators found who were honest
Speaker 2: in the beginning of the the uh, you know, original
Speaker 2: just kind of responding to the scene. They they they
Speaker 2: one discovered undetonated you know, incendiary devices that were intended
Speaker 2: to entirely destroy the rest of the evidence, and that
Speaker 2: would have, I think, you know, effectively covered up a
Speaker 2: lot of the questions that we we that the public
Speaker 2: had following the event, you know, and and so but yeah,
Speaker 2: they were.
Speaker 1: Man ask question.
Speaker 3: And I do apologize Julia, because I think you were
Speaker 3: you were correct. What was the date on this sort
Speaker 3: of the March.
Speaker 1: Laws in March March twenty second, nineteen ninety seven, was
Speaker 1: this was this was the same date as the Heaven's Gate.
Speaker 1: My god, that's what I thought.
Speaker 6: There was something with the solar temper escape being on
Speaker 6: the same fucking yeah, you you.
Speaker 3: Are recommend I was conflated earlier with nineteen ninety four
Speaker 3: and stuff. Maybe I got lost in an ornithology. Simpson
Speaker 3: on the warm.
Speaker 2: Holder really good because it was the September ninety four
Speaker 2: when the more and highest Cherry Surry and Alvant fires
Speaker 2: right broke out, and and.
Speaker 3: We're talking the end of these activities, and that they
Speaker 3: that is the precise same date as Heaven's Gate.
Speaker 1: So these maybe these folks. Maybe they got it right.
Speaker 7: On Haley's comment, well, that's why I said, there's maybe.
Speaker 3: We're the ones who are wrong, Julia. They're all having
Speaker 3: a good time right now and Haley.
Speaker 10: Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 7: Send it up my ass.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's no coincidence though that those two things
Speaker 6: happened and they had such SI sure.
Speaker 7: But anyways, go ahead.
Speaker 3: Can I make one point on all that similarities and
Speaker 3: all these other things? And I don't and I don't
Speaker 3: want to cutch you off there, Austin, but I do
Speaker 3: want to whenever you're done, I would like to bring
Speaker 3: it all back my comments on the society and Operation
Speaker 3: pack On and how it connects to all this stuff.
Speaker 3: I would like to because it doesn't sound like it
Speaker 3: should right with all the French stuff, right, but like
Speaker 3: it literally does.
Speaker 1: It literally does, dude.
Speaker 2: I'm very interested now because as much as I'm aware
Speaker 2: of pat Con just essentially being the right wing version
Speaker 2: of Cointel pro, you know, it's it's it's obviously you know.
Speaker 2: And also I think it's very interesting that the timing
Speaker 2: of it all right, the total information awareness objectives that
Speaker 2: were playing out the continuity of government that's leading into
Speaker 2: the Patriot Act. I forget the precursor to the Patriot
Speaker 2: Act that passed just after the Oka CE bombing, but
Speaker 2: that was all pat con that that staged the president
Speaker 2: setting operations that that clearly led to that dystopian framework
Speaker 2: being implemented and called for. Right, problem reaction solution is
Speaker 2: the name of the game, you know, and just too often,
Speaker 2: right I consistently we're describing elements of the same the
Speaker 2: same beast here. You know when I say these are
Speaker 2: connected to did you have any more on that? On the
Speaker 2: third instinct? Because I thought, I just because I didn't
Speaker 2: want to cut you because I want to hear more
Speaker 2: about it. I just don't want to cut you off.
Speaker 2: Because Julia was definitely correct there that this is literally.
Speaker 3: The same days as the Heaven's Gate situations popping off
Speaker 3: in San Diego. That's fast Adam home at a home
Speaker 3: connected to the nine to eleven, uh folks an eleven terrorists.
Speaker 1: Jesus bad? I uh, you know what's hilarious.
Speaker 3: I actually they were like, I gotta get on some
Speaker 3: of this alien action here, you know, before I A.
Speaker 1: I have a note card that I pulled up.
Speaker 2: All right, you can't read it, but it says ots notes,
Speaker 2: and it's just a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's like four notes that I had written down.
Speaker 3: That's that's a lot of that's a lot of words
Speaker 3: there though, that's some good notes.
Speaker 1: It's just one little note. If you looked at my space,
Speaker 1: I look like a psychopath. I got zero notes. So well,
Speaker 1: I will say that I just have to because I will.
Speaker 2: I just too too many details running around in my
Speaker 2: mind that I I and I'm too skitz o brained
Speaker 2: where I just uh obviously we we uh we call
Speaker 2: the homies on already dead right the audience skits O bros.
Speaker 1: We're basically the Skitzo Bros. But so that is very accurate.
Speaker 3: I will say, as far as the way my mind works,
Speaker 3: I can't help myself.
Speaker 1: It has to. I think it's it's the.
Speaker 3: Right the Charlie meme, you know, the Pepe Sylvia, you
Speaker 3: know what I.
Speaker 1: Mean, the arms and stuff.
Speaker 2: Exactly from It's always sunny and that that is effectively
Speaker 2: I think how your mind has to function in a
Speaker 2: way in order to kind of even breach these subjects
Speaker 2: and and and in an objective way to where you're
Speaker 2: at least pursuing uh some legitimate uh let's say just
Speaker 2: at the very least. I'm always attempting, as I said
Speaker 2: in the beginning of this, to reinforce and corroborate as
Speaker 2: much evidence as possible, because I don't want to sit
Speaker 2: here and and and make allegations if they're if they're
Speaker 2: too far reaching. Although I will say there are moments
Speaker 2: where I'm purely being speculative. I try and always be
Speaker 2: honest about that, but in terms of you effectively have
Speaker 2: to speculate at times because you have to ask these questions, right,
Speaker 2: like why on earth you know, is Joseph the bro uh,
Speaker 2: you know, traveling across international borders with major amounts of
Speaker 2: financial capital which seems to be some FASc money laundering happening, you.
Speaker 3: Know, which which clearly was occurring. And like, if you know,
Speaker 3: is he wrapping some Vatican Bank interest? What do you
Speaker 3: if I made just ask him, what do you think
Speaker 3: they're Vatican Bank interts with this guy?
Speaker 1: Or was he doing mafia stuff? What's he doing?
Speaker 2: I think the fact that he has tied so directly
Speaker 2: into and yeah, I do think that that you have
Speaker 2: again the unholy Alliance playing out there. You go, Gladio,
Speaker 2: like you really do have that playing out here? And
Speaker 2: and so I think that he's representing someone's interest.
Speaker 3: Right, you got you got the other fellows doing you know,
Speaker 3: like I said, he's got a lot of society cincin
Speaker 3: na stuff going on around him. So and then you
Speaker 3: got this guy represents some some other interests like the
Speaker 3: MOB or the Vatican, right or you know something.
Speaker 2: And you know what is P two, I mean what
Speaker 2: is less circle? Like they are directly affiliated with the Vatican.
Speaker 2: And I think that you know, the Vatican Bank finances
Speaker 2: these organizations, you know, and that's where they washed a
Speaker 2: lot of the money too, right, And I didn't realize
Speaker 2: that with what was what's her name?
Speaker 1: Oh ship No, No, oh my god, she's a world banker,
Speaker 1: talks about laundering, washing and stuff, right, right, but uh,
Speaker 1: mother Teresa.
Speaker 3: Right, oh, affiliated, she's directly affiliated with child sex trafficking
Speaker 3: and laundering the profits through the Vatican Bank, which I
Speaker 3: didn't realize. Yeah, Mother Teresa directly affiliated with George Bush Sr.
Speaker 3: And and even had an an orphanage connection to Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 3: And I didn't realize this, But that makes a lot
Speaker 3: more sense considering the Laura Silsby stuff and and you know,
Speaker 3: obviously just the Haitian children scandal. And and what it's
Speaker 3: even worse than that. I mean, I found out children
Speaker 3: that Hillary Clinton allegedly eats, right, yeah, exactly, yeahrazed.
Speaker 6: The ugliness of her inside definitely matches the ugliness of
Speaker 6: her outside. My the tree so looks like a fucking
Speaker 6: scraggly ass cigarette.
Speaker 7: But and there is no way to look like that.
Speaker 7: But think about it.
Speaker 6: It's like it's like, there's all the crimes that she's
Speaker 6: committed against children, it's all over her fucking face. Look
Speaker 6: at her, look at it. She looks like a demon
Speaker 6: hag in a fucking nuns outfit.
Speaker 1: And consider what she represents right now.
Speaker 2: That is a perfect example of the inverted moral landscape.
Speaker 1: Right like this, No shit, what in the hell you
Speaker 1: know that?
Speaker 3: This is supposed to be the bright and shining beacon
Speaker 3: of right and just like not mine.
Speaker 6: No, she looks like a fucking wrinkled asshole. And I
Speaker 6: can't believe. It's like the more you look into her,
Speaker 6: it's like, of course you know she oh, mother tree,
Speaker 6: So mother tree.
Speaker 7: Fuck you.
Speaker 6: I cannot believe it's becoming a conspiracy theorist. You have
Speaker 6: to understand, you cannot have any idols, nobody, not music,
Speaker 6: not movies, not politically nothing, every single person that you think, oh, well,
Speaker 6: maybe they're a good guy.
Speaker 7: Oh maybe they are. No, they're not.
Speaker 6: They probably eating fuck kids or they fucking do some
Speaker 6: kind of a like literally, I'm sorry, I just after
Speaker 6: reading Program to Kill and and looking into Dave McGowan's work,
Speaker 6: it's like you have nothing.
Speaker 3: Laurel King, You're not wrong, Julie, that's damn sure. It's
Speaker 3: it's a dark world.
Speaker 2: I mean, the escellent Institute, right, just like Tavistock gone West.
Speaker 2: I mean that's really what happened in a way, right,
Speaker 2: and and uh, it's just like all these celebrity personalities
Speaker 2: are clearly manufactured and and uh if many of them
Speaker 2: are entirely manufactured out of whole cloth and then kind
Speaker 2: of like given this this uh this you know, disingenuous
Speaker 2: rise right to this level of prominence.
Speaker 1: That is so clearly uh as far as just like they.
Speaker 2: Were put on the path by the permanent establishment and
Speaker 2: and are are given uh, the these these very it's
Speaker 2: just you're you're given that privileged position of of you
Speaker 2: get all these opportunities come your way, right, because it's
Speaker 2: it's entirely a corrupt obviously, uh deliberately a corrupt system.
Speaker 2: You know, that's that's intentionally creating these influencing operations as
Speaker 2: far as that's what they become, right, they become these
Speaker 2: sort of.
Speaker 6: There is a Laurel Canyon of podcasting too. I know
Speaker 6: people like to skirt around that.
Speaker 1: But partly, boy, I'd like to talk.
Speaker 3: I like to talk about Pat con anciently and cargo
Speaker 3: cults in the society of Cincinnative made real quick.
Speaker 1: Definitely, But what do you think of Sean Ryan? What
Speaker 1: do you think of it?
Speaker 3: Like, I have a lot of thoughts on a lot
Speaker 3: of those subjects. I just I just understand that the
Speaker 3: amount of dust that gets spun up when when these
Speaker 3: things get.
Speaker 2: I just think that the alternative media landscape is very
Speaker 2: much oversaturated with what seemed to be you know, intelligence
Speaker 2: assets put into positions strategically to influence the fleeing masses
Speaker 2: from the death of the mainstream media, who are.
Speaker 3: Being former Navy seals and suddenly pop up with a
Speaker 3: full blown studio and all the guests that Joe Rogan is.
Speaker 6: Let me tell you something for the last and he
Speaker 6: vouch because I said this month ago I said, you watch,
Speaker 6: Joe Rogan is going to start talking about coming a
Speaker 6: Christian and did da da da da, And I went
Speaker 6: on and on, and I said, there's this disingenuine Christian
Speaker 6: conspiracy podcaster movement. And just recently my husband brought this
Speaker 6: to my attention. Joe Rogan's been talking about going to
Speaker 6: church and doing and I said, I fucking told all
Speaker 6: of you. I said, wait, it's gonna happen. And I'm
Speaker 6: just saying, as much as there's a Laurel Canyon of
Speaker 6: anything else, there's a Laurel Canyon of podcasting. And just
Speaker 6: just to kind of sum up something that I had
Speaker 6: thoughts on the Solar Temple really quick after I read
Speaker 6: Program to Kill in a couple other books, I thought
Speaker 6: it was important, and then I read a book about
Speaker 6: the Solar Temple after I saw on Ancient Aliens, like
Speaker 6: a year or two ago. People don't have time to
Speaker 6: like sit and consume information in the way that a
Speaker 6: lot of other people do. Like for me, I actually
Speaker 6: like reading, like that was one of the things I
Speaker 6: like to do before I started to podcast. But people
Speaker 6: don't consume information in that way anymore. So I feel
Speaker 6: like it's really cool that we could take a subject
Speaker 6: like the solar Temple, like there's probably tons of books
Speaker 6: and shit written about it. There's obviously programmed to kill
Speaker 6: as a book strange scenes inside the canyon.
Speaker 7: With a book, you take it and you make.
Speaker 6: It like consumable podcast style for people to just have
Speaker 6: like conversations about it, and I think it makes it
Speaker 6: more easily digestible. And that's why a lot of these
Speaker 6: weird subjects are coming back to the forefront after all
Speaker 6: these years, is because podcasters are making like podcast versions
Speaker 6: of books and the information is more readily accessible. And
Speaker 6: that's why I love listening to podcasts right, because you
Speaker 6: get like Nick's perspective, Austin's perspective, HEIDIJJ and I obviously
Speaker 6: have my own perspective, but it's these same topics, like
Speaker 6: how many people are gonna go and be like, oh,
Speaker 6: I'm at the library. I wonder if I can get
Speaker 6: a book about weird cults today.
Speaker 7: Nobody's doing that.
Speaker 5: To your point, it's so important to have all it's
Speaker 5: going to stand out different for you, for Nick, for me,
Speaker 5: for JJ, for Austin.
Speaker 4: I think you're right. I think this is so critical.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean they will listen to a podcast, but
Speaker 6: they won't read the book. Right. How many times have
Speaker 6: I said in podcasts, read this book, you should read
Speaker 6: this book. Nobody's going to read the book.
Speaker 4: They just want to They just want to talk about.
Speaker 7: It, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Hear me talk about this to me?
Speaker 3: Yeah, read like the summarise, you know, I mean my
Speaker 3: understanding what you're describing.
Speaker 1: I just don't read ship. No.
Speaker 2: But I think that most of us have been conditioned
Speaker 2: to to into this sort of you know, one for one,
Speaker 2: the attention span has been deliberately and intentionally you know,
Speaker 2: shortened for this purpose. And I think that's in order
Speaker 2: to effectively place you in the trap of the ideological prison.
Speaker 2: And and you most people aren't even aware that right
Speaker 2: they remain in these chains of right and of ideological subversion,
Speaker 2: that that is clearly kind of corrupting their ability to
Speaker 2: even engage with reality in any sort of objective way
Speaker 2: and in an honest way. And and and I think
Speaker 2: that with that comes this lack of discipline, which comes
Speaker 2: the lack of effort. And it's just now we we've
Speaker 2: been conditioned to become these just lazy, I mean under educated,
Speaker 2: but I mean it's not within the context of public
Speaker 2: education or the system itself, right, I mean actual information, right,
Speaker 2: like the And that's another thing is who's studying like
Speaker 2: primary source documents and trying to pull.
Speaker 6: The I mean, I'm a nineties kid, and I remember
Speaker 6: like so looking forward to this stupid fucking book fair
Speaker 6: and like actually getting books and shit, and like asking
Speaker 6: my mom for money to like get books at the
Speaker 6: stupid fucking book fair. Like I think I'm the nineties
Speaker 6: kids are like the last generation of kids who were
Speaker 6: made to read in school and like you would have
Speaker 6: homework of reading this book and like coming back and
Speaker 6: like I loved that shit. And I still to this day,
Speaker 6: I'll be like, oh my god, I found this book.
Speaker 6: But I mean there's a bookshelf behind me. My husband's
Speaker 6: collected all these books. But I think, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 6: podcasts are just like people talking about interesting books and
Speaker 6: shit that they've read that other people are not going
Speaker 6: to read. And I think it's very important because if
Speaker 6: you can't google it these days, it's just like, I
Speaker 6: guess information's not out there, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I've had people on the show that that's what they
Speaker 8: do for podcasting, is preview books.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's important, I think, oh yeah, But anyways,
Speaker 6: I didn't want a tangent too far. I just wanted
Speaker 6: to say I I do think that the Solar Temple
Speaker 6: is one of the subjects among many that have been
Speaker 6: documented throughout time. But it's just coming to the forefront
Speaker 6: now because people don't go searching for this information. They're
Speaker 6: interested in reading stuff. They're not interested in, you know,
Speaker 6: diving deep into weird rabbit holes about stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So right, you know it, no attention to the man behind.
Speaker 6: The curtain, right right, right, It's just two weird French
Speaker 6: dudes who had a bug up the pass right, who
Speaker 6: murdered a bunch of people underground tunnels like that.
Speaker 7: That's what they want you to believe.
Speaker 6: Is they just set a bunch of random idiots on fire,
Speaker 6: and it's like, well, yeah, no.
Speaker 7: The same with Heaven's Gate, the same with a lot
Speaker 7: of these colds.
Speaker 6: They want you to believe it's a lone nuh right
Speaker 6: who starts a cult and murders everybody and that's just
Speaker 6: the end of the story.
Speaker 1: There, She wrote, I got so many ideas on Heaven's Gate.
Speaker 3: I mean, you want to talk about mind control they
Speaker 3: call themselves, Guinea and pig.
Speaker 7: Yes, I know they did.
Speaker 1: They I'm always talking about.
Speaker 7: Doling tea, all these weird fucking names.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the inmental hospital, right, yeah it is yeah, yeah, people,
Speaker 3: finy nettles.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I fucking know all about the heaven skate assholes.
Speaker 6: And in the end, it's more cult ritualism. Shave your head,
Speaker 6: become androgynists, castraight yourself and now and now poison yourself.
Speaker 6: Wear Nikes, you know, gives a whole new meaning to
Speaker 6: just do it.
Speaker 7: Okay, how much.
Speaker 3: How much you think Nike paid again on that side
Speaker 3: be a good marketing? I mean, come on, bad pr
Speaker 3: Everyone still talks about them black Nikes.
Speaker 6: I got my own pair, and I've talked about the
Speaker 6: Nikes before, Okay, the same way, the same way that
Speaker 6: they promoted the fucking Nikes and Forrest Gump the running shoes.
Speaker 6: Nike shows up on all kinds of weird places. If
Speaker 6: you if you're really looking for it, is.
Speaker 1: That what you're talking about?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, just saying just saying Solar Temple did not
Speaker 6: get off the hook for me as just being like
Speaker 6: two fucking weird French dudes that set a bunch of
Speaker 6: people on fire.
Speaker 7: It just it cannot be that simple.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no way in my opinion.
Speaker 2: And there was a letter, by the way, that was
Speaker 2: clearly it was written after the fact. It was supposed
Speaker 2: to provide a motivation, a motivating factor for the murders, right,
Speaker 2: that was that was discovered, And it's really strange it essentially.
Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, there's an anonymous This is
Speaker 2: a clue, right as far as these two anonymous letters
Speaker 2: that were sent to the Swiss newspapers, and the first
Speaker 2: was a twenty two page document that said the deaths
Speaker 2: were an act of transition from this world and gave
Speaker 2: sufficient details of the order's activities to make clear that
Speaker 2: this author was apparently deeply involved in them, so obviously
Speaker 2: insinuating that he's a member of the OTS. And it's
Speaker 2: interesting because obviously if you look at these letters and
Speaker 2: also consider the fact that the envelope was analyzed and
Speaker 2: it showed that it had been posted in Geneva at
Speaker 2: eleven am on Wednesday, and this is long after the
Speaker 2: fires had been put out, right, So it's an interesting
Speaker 2: timing to say the least. And you have the author
Speaker 2: who apparently was attempting to delude investigators into thinking he
Speaker 2: was part of a suicide pact. He wrote, to everyone
Speaker 2: who can still hear the voice of wisdom, we addressed
Speaker 2: this final message. It is with boundless love, unspeakable joy,
Speaker 2: and no regret at all that we leave this world.
Speaker 7: That's coming from Joseph Dimambro.
Speaker 3: This is anonymous, anonymous letters sent to Swiss newspapers, supposedly
Speaker 3: from the cult. Right, this is the claim, yes is
Speaker 3: it's it's uh see this.
Speaker 6: This is another thing that makes me think this is
Speaker 6: all just set up bullshit, because it's like they gotta
Speaker 6: make this scary letter like you know, oh, I'm peeing
Speaker 6: my panties now. They sent this fucking letter about so
Speaker 6: long farewell avdter saying we're burning ourselves.
Speaker 7: Like this doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 6: They have to have like some scary letter that they
Speaker 6: send like we did this to ourselves and look at
Speaker 6: and then you really look into the forensic medications and
Speaker 6: what they got poisoned and shot in the head and okay,
Speaker 6: who wrote the letter? Which one wrote the letter? Because
Speaker 6: they were all murdered.
Speaker 2: Exactly I mean, and that that, you know, begs the
Speaker 2: question why are all these as far as it at
Speaker 2: the very least, it in a way explains the fact,
Speaker 2: right that you had all these police raids that occurred
Speaker 2: in these on these apartments in Geneva after after this
Speaker 2: took place, and apparently this there was a second letter, right,
Speaker 2: that was, they were both sent the same time, but
Speaker 2: this second letter happened to denounce the way in which
Speaker 2: the Coultists transition from life right had taken place and
Speaker 2: seemed to attack Durrey's incompetent and deviant behavior allegedly barbaric
Speaker 2: even was even what it was called in the in
Speaker 2: the letter. And it was also posted at the same
Speaker 2: time eleven am on the Wednesday, which is, you know,
Speaker 2: hours after the fires had had been put out, as
Speaker 2: they said, So the police apparently believed at the time
Speaker 2: that these authors of both of the letters were still
Speaker 2: alive in Geneva, obviously, right, because the fires have already
Speaker 2: been put out. So these are members of the cult
Speaker 2: who clearly knew of the mass death and then provided
Speaker 2: these letters that allegedly gave the motivation for which the
Speaker 2: cult members were, you know, pursuing this mass death, revolutionary
Speaker 2: mass suicide. And so yeah, he says that at least
Speaker 2: the police, the police and the authorities. They claimed that
Speaker 2: these individuals were potentially still in Geneva at the time
Speaker 2: and were directly connected to the deaths and the two villages.
Speaker 2: And then they subsequently rated apparently a long list of
Speaker 2: apartments in Geneva that were connected to this investigation. And
Speaker 2: that's why you have like evidence in Sharie and Salvaon
Speaker 2: and more in heights that also undermined the theory of
Speaker 2: collective suicide, because you had fifteen bodies found not in
Speaker 2: the two chalets that burnt down, but in a third
Speaker 2: chalet where timing devices, as I mentioned.
Speaker 1: Before, had failed to set off the fire.
Speaker 2: And uh, and you had these witnesses right that said
Speaker 2: it was clear that the farm owner had died before
Speaker 2: the fire on Tuesday night.
Speaker 1: The corpse was cold, long cold.
Speaker 2: He must have died by the previous afternoon, they said.
Speaker 2: Apparently one witness claims and the discovery of these drugs
Speaker 2: once again administered to the cultists at Sharie by injections
Speaker 2: or intravenous drip, gave for the reason for individuals investigating
Speaker 2: the case to believe that.
Speaker 6: The Iravy really, yeah, man, this is some fucked up fuckery.
Speaker 7: I mean, an IVY drip v drip.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, right, what did you say that too? Sounds like.
Speaker 3: Zizzies with the plastic bags on some of the victim's heads.
Speaker 7: Apparently that's like head and skate. They put fucking plastic
Speaker 7: bags on their heads.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 2: They said that the reason being was they excused it.
Speaker 2: There was a justification, justification that jiorret himself. Luke Jora
Speaker 2: said his group had used plastic bags and rituals to
Speaker 2: symbolize humanity sinning against nature.
Speaker 4: Conditioned all the way around.
Speaker 7: Well, you have to be.
Speaker 6: You'd have to be because you know, and I don't
Speaker 6: know if we're about to wrap up or what, but
Speaker 6: just think of the mindset you'd have to have to
Speaker 6: want to do something like this to yourself. It sounds
Speaker 6: like most of them didn't want to and they were
Speaker 6: just murdered, which makes more sense to me because I'm
Speaker 6: not going down. I'm not killing myself in this way
Speaker 6: over some retarded stuff like this. But it's like, let's
Speaker 6: say that some of them did kill themselves. You must
Speaker 6: have to be so completely under the control of these
Speaker 6: two guys that sound it would sound better to die
Speaker 6: than to continue living without them.
Speaker 5: I think they just yeah, they just poisoned them after
Speaker 5: the fact, they got them to sleep and then you know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean that makes more sense to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 2: And considering that, you know, as I mentioned multiple times,
Speaker 2: just the wealthy nature of many of the recruits and
Speaker 2: initiates of the OTS, like you had members of the cult,
Speaker 2: like one of the members wives inevitably sued de Mambro, right,
Speaker 2: I believe she sued the cult and ended up receiving
Speaker 2: a ninety five thousand pound out of court settlement. And
Speaker 2: so there was definitely like some and this is all
Speaker 2: leading up to the mass deaths, and so you had
Speaker 2: a police discovering that the OTS had even infiltrated the
Speaker 2: Provinces Electric Power Company in Quebec, Canada, right, Hydro Quebec
Speaker 2: is the name. And this is, as I said before,
Speaker 2: where a number of these bombings of transmission towers had
Speaker 2: taken place the exact same year as the infiltration of
Speaker 2: the OTS members. And Jerra was was even convicted of
Speaker 2: illegal possession of weapons in ninety three, just before the
Speaker 2: deaths all began to happen in ninety four, and so
Speaker 2: you know he was even uh oh yeah, and he
Speaker 2: was there.
Speaker 5: Was a tape right about them talking after the fact, right,
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: They're dealing in guns, right, oh yeah, yeap. And mean
Speaker 3: they're speaking of the tapes. They're on tape discussing the
Speaker 3: branch Davidians beat them to the bunch.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's what it was that I'm thinking of.
Speaker 3: Yes, and the branchda Indians are dealing guns, and I
Speaker 3: suspected dealing guns through what is known as the Midwest Depot,
Speaker 3: the secret CIA depot in northern part of San Antonio,
Speaker 3: Texas Air Force.
Speaker 2: That's where they said the institution was that uh, that
Speaker 2: David Koresh and at least I believe seven of his
Speaker 2: you know, inner circle were allegedly programmed at the institution
Speaker 2: by an MK ultra operative that was you know, in
Speaker 2: that area.
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, And it turns out through the Paul Wilcher
Speaker 2: connection that I mentioned earlier, right that journalists who was
Speaker 2: assassinated said he knew more than Danny Castilero. It was
Speaker 2: through that contact that CIA domestic uh uh you know
Speaker 2: uh operative who who was who claimed to be the
Speaker 2: pilot in the October surprise.
Speaker 1: He also claimed.
Speaker 2: That that David Koresh was under mind control. He was
Speaker 2: essentially they were programmed to pursue the creation of a bomb,
Speaker 2: and that they were actually trying to to uh uh
Speaker 2: they had. It's very interesting. They said that many Green Berets.
Speaker 2: There was a program that was up where green Berets
Speaker 2: would be domestically, uh brought back to the US domestically
Speaker 2: and then Special Forces.
Speaker 4: Y was it doctor sir hand? Was it doctor hypnotists?
Speaker 4: Sir hand? Sir hand?
Speaker 7: Guy?
Speaker 1: Oh, oh my god, right, like it's the same.
Speaker 7: Somehow the Branch Davidians. My husband was telling me.
Speaker 6: Somehow the Branch Davidians inspired the Oklahoma City bombing stuff.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that what was that guy's name?
Speaker 1: That Oklahoma bomb was there?
Speaker 7: That's right, that's.
Speaker 3: Right, And they're all connected to the Order in Idaho. Yes,
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 6: David Koresh is a severely misunderstood character in my opinion,
Speaker 6: and I think I mean I've covered him in my
Speaker 6: cult series, but yeah, I mean that's a whole other
Speaker 6: with the Ruby Ridge and everything. There's an HBO series
Speaker 6: on that.
Speaker 3: By the way, I think that twenty Special Forces Group
Speaker 3: is a key thing to understand there also your point.
Speaker 2: Out absolutely, Yeah, I'm there's this fascinating uh cavedef dot org.
Speaker 2: George from cave Def. He's super cool, dude. He has
Speaker 2: provided you know, quite a bit of the resources available
Speaker 2: at at cabdef dot org that as far as like,
Speaker 2: he's put together a very long list of let's say,
Speaker 2: there's one on mind control programs, there's one on the
Speaker 2: son of Sam even just right that goes into very
Speaker 2: deep levels of research.
Speaker 1: It's a great resource.
Speaker 2: But this is where I first discovered the alleged connection
Speaker 2: right between uh, the the potential mind control wrinkle to
Speaker 2: the Waco siege, which just blew me away. Because if
Speaker 2: you I mean Waco was one of my red pill moments,
Speaker 2: I'm very much it was. It was really Ruby Ridge,
Speaker 2: Waco and Okac that woke me up. You know that
Speaker 2: I related so much to to Sammy Weaver, right, Sam
Speaker 2: Sammy we for the little boy out on the farm
Speaker 2: with his dog and his gun, you know, and and
Speaker 2: that's how I was raised. I mean, I grew up
Speaker 2: on a thirty five acre farm in northwest Arkansas. It
Speaker 2: was just like I related directly to this, and sure
Speaker 2: it does one of these activities in that region, right,
Speaker 2: the image you're talking about where you're exactly, and it's
Speaker 2: it's really just a perfect window into, you know, the
Speaker 2: very least what what your government is capable of, right,
Speaker 2: And that's it's kind of the way that I look
Speaker 2: at it.
Speaker 3: But you, David, it was all those Special Forces guys
Speaker 3: you're talking about throughout all this stuff from Fort Bragg
Speaker 3: operating through the twenty Special Forces Group like that, the
Speaker 3: infamous Mina, Arkansas pilot for the meddying cartaeil, trafficking of
Speaker 3: Iran contrac coke into America, Berry Seal, likely member of
Speaker 3: the Society of Cincinnati, member of the twenties Special Forces.
Speaker 1: So crazy.
Speaker 6: So if you were going to give the Solar Temple
Speaker 6: a rating from one to ten, did jock Straps connected.
Speaker 7: To you know, did jock?
Speaker 1: I'm betting the bank. I'm betting ten jocks, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bet.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna bet eight jock Straps on the Solar. I've
Speaker 6: heard crazier. But they're up there, right, they got to
Speaker 6: be up there. They got connections, they got weirdness, they
Speaker 6: got burnt bodies, They've got three different you know, events
Speaker 6: happening over the span of a couple of years.
Speaker 3: I'm going on both sides of the bombs. They're on
Speaker 3: both sides of they've they've gone international on both sides
Speaker 3: of the ponders.
Speaker 1: They're very prolific.
Speaker 7: All right, all right, I amend my rating. I'll give
Speaker 7: it nine. Did jock straps?
Speaker 1: Nick?
Speaker 7: Where are you?
Speaker 1: Let me?
Speaker 2: Uh quick, I'll be right back and then I'll give
Speaker 2: my final thoughts on that, and I'll be right back.
Speaker 8: Guy. I like a seven or eight.
Speaker 9: And the reason the reason why it's getting a lower
Speaker 9: rating is because.
Speaker 8: I do think it's probably intelligence behind that. I think
Speaker 8: if there was actually organic organic every like, hell, that's
Speaker 8: fucking crazy.
Speaker 3: Yep, I'm reading my boat. I'd like to read you
Speaker 3: my I'm gonna downgrade them for being French. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: give them a five.
Speaker 5: I'm going to give them a six because I am
Speaker 5: certain if I study hard enough on this, Bouvier is
Speaker 5: gonna come up because of the French connection, and this ship.
Speaker 3: Is going to go a wild So he challenge except
Speaker 3: challenge except yes? Five?
Speaker 7: Did jocks drop?
Speaker 4: I said six?
Speaker 3: I'm going to actually, I'm gonna i'd like to I'd
Speaker 3: like to redo mine to give them zero jockstraps.
Speaker 5: Because the zero read just because I'm just saying some
Speaker 5: there is some fuckery about There is so many. He's
Speaker 5: mentioned another podcast that I watched prepping for this. He's
Speaker 5: mentioned some people that he didn't go all the way
Speaker 5: up the line, like like Thane Eugene Caesar, and I'm like,
Speaker 5: keep going, keep going.
Speaker 6: People are in the comments also should rate people in
Speaker 6: the comments section need to rate one to ten? Did
Speaker 6: jockstraps for the Solar Temple? Just curious what the listeners
Speaker 6: think out there because I'm reading, Yeah, did jock strap?
Speaker 2: So I I think we're at We're at. I mean, definitely,
Speaker 2: I'm ten out of ten. I believe this was Operation
Speaker 2: Gladio all day long. And I think that, you know, again,
Speaker 2: as I said before, like why for who is the
Speaker 2: membro crossing borders with massive sums of money?
Speaker 1: That's one major NASA And also like.
Speaker 2: We have like two French policemen who were stationed in animas, right,
Speaker 2: the alleged assassins.
Speaker 1: Who who who basically were supposed to have been involved, right?
Speaker 2: And uh, And essentially what happened was there was Charles Pascal,
Speaker 2: right was was directly as far as a few days
Speaker 2: before the Vercors massacre. Right, these two alleged assassins go
Speaker 2: to the Ministry of the Interior headed by Charles Pascal,
Speaker 2: who's directly involved in the local Gladio connections that are
Speaker 2: playing out with the ots. And and this is a
Speaker 2: few days before the Coors massacre happens. And so I
Speaker 2: think that this is like deliberate connection to the plot,
Speaker 2: that this is how we're carrying it out.
Speaker 1: The plan is being hatched at this moment.
Speaker 2: And and there's a fascinating link as far as these
Speaker 2: sort of organizations, right, the Grand Lodge de France and uh,
Speaker 2: all all these belonged to this this sort of it
Speaker 2: was called the g l n F Opera, and it
Speaker 2: was essentially like, uh, this this umbrella organization and uh
Speaker 2: and it kind of like really just like you had
Speaker 2: you know, a commander of the O s mt J
Speaker 2: involved as well then you, which is obviously you have
Speaker 2: this Martinist order, the renovated Order of the Temple, the
Speaker 2: o RT connection that's involved here, the head of which
Speaker 2: right was was propelled.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: Uh this collaborator Julian Rigas, who is in my mind
Speaker 2: the direct connection to Luke Gerray for the Gladio Dynamic
Speaker 2: and that's what I find so interesting here, right, is
Speaker 2: that you have essentially, you know, with Julian Rigas, his
Speaker 2: background is so strange, right, and he's he's connected in
Speaker 2: with with essentially you have like the rectified Scottish Rite
Speaker 2: that's involved ancient, uh ancient and accepted Scottish Rite. There's
Speaker 2: all these different versions that seem to overlap with each other.
Speaker 5: But the Grand Dark Rights, the Dark Rights are the
Speaker 5: ones exactly Cagliostro ones exactly right.
Speaker 2: And so I think that you know, it's the Freemasonry
Speaker 2: links to very much interests me, you know as well,
Speaker 2: because I just think that it's hard to it's hard
Speaker 2: to ignore at the very least that you have Jacques
Speaker 2: Bryer and Aleister Crowley. Even I think with the White
Speaker 2: Brotherhood as far as in many ways the Great White
Speaker 2: Brotherhood is very in the Great White Lodge. Much of
Speaker 2: this is sort of you know, just the least baked
Speaker 2: in Crowleyism in a way, right, where you kind of have.
Speaker 1: A lot so much further.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like Mystery Babylon.
Speaker 5: This goes back to Scott a chronicon and Mystery Babylon.
Speaker 4: This is so much further.
Speaker 5: But then everybody perverts it their own way, you know,
Speaker 5: whichever flavor.
Speaker 7: So Austin is going ten ten on that.
Speaker 6: I mean, I feel like you could go ten just
Speaker 6: based off of the body count, because it's much much
Speaker 6: like Jonestown. Jonestown gets ten jockstraps for me just because
Speaker 6: of the you know, ten favarades, ten grape drinks, whatever,
Speaker 6: just off the body count. I mean, Solar Temple, it's
Speaker 6: it's it's one of those high up ones kind of.
Speaker 6: I told Nick about a cult called the Restoration of
Speaker 6: the Ten Commandments of God. They've got a body count
Speaker 6: like at least a thousand people, so they get a
Speaker 6: ten for me.
Speaker 7: Again, just.
Speaker 8: A point, right, dude.
Speaker 6: He roasted he roasted at least seven hundred and fifty
Speaker 6: people in a church, so he gets he gets ten
Speaker 6: roasted booty holes just based.
Speaker 7: Off the body count.
Speaker 6: Oh, Julia, Oh my god, crazy dude, These cults are crazy.
Speaker 6: Solar Temple is wild, you know, so.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, But I think so the aregas connection,
Speaker 2: I think we definitely should like I should at least
Speaker 2: tie that in directly to Durret because I do think
Speaker 2: that that's like a smoking gun honestly, in terms of
Speaker 2: the Gladio connection to the OTS, right and uh, beyond
Speaker 2: the fact that you have like this very strange Luciferian
Speaker 2: Internationale that I mentioned before, that that made like these
Speaker 2: announcements that seem to be very much, uh you know,
Speaker 2: as far as like the the foundational principles of the
Speaker 2: OTS as they were as.
Speaker 1: It was being formed by Demambro.
Speaker 2: And I think that you you essentially you have like this,
Speaker 2: you have basically where the Green Order they make this announcement, right,
Speaker 2: this this Luciferian you had not only the Green Order,
Speaker 2: but the Grand Lodge of the Dragon, the Celtic Brotherhood
Speaker 2: apparently the Aryan Order, the Sons of Fire, and the
Speaker 2: Lucifer Gazelle Shaft, which was the Luciferian lucifer Society that
Speaker 2: was based in Cologne at the time. And they made
Speaker 2: this crazy ass announcement that said, the time has come
Speaker 2: for a solid union of all our societies. It is
Speaker 2: high time that the sons and daughters of Hyperborea raise
Speaker 2: the flame of the new Times and of the divine
Speaker 2: superman air of the grail end of the Boreal Crown.
Speaker 2: From Shimbala, the Holy City of Agartha, comes this polar
Speaker 2: message unite. And then you have these representatives of the
Speaker 2: Luciferian Associations who met in Brussels in seventy five. And
Speaker 2: this is crazy because it even has like this, what
Speaker 2: was they claimed was in order to seal the charter
Speaker 2: of unification of the legions of Mythris, like this is
Speaker 2: the terms that they utilize, which is just that's just
Speaker 2: extraordinarily right there. Yeah, exactly, we're talking the Age of
Speaker 2: Aquarius or modern Babylon in my mind, which is kind
Speaker 2: of like what we I think we're uh, kind of
Speaker 2: in this environment where we're in.
Speaker 5: Oh, look at the symbolism for the Look at the Vatican.
Speaker 5: It looks like a key hole that the Mormon Church
Speaker 5: just copied them.
Speaker 4: It's a key hole.
Speaker 5: The o NASAs Foundation is a key hole. Go look
Speaker 5: at all these things. They all have the same information.
Speaker 5: They're just in their own factions.
Speaker 2: It's the mob, right absolutely all right when they come Sorry,
Speaker 2: it's it's just it's this part right here I think
Speaker 2: is worth mentioning because it's again it the Age of
Speaker 2: Aquarius is upon us.
Speaker 1: They are at the very.
Speaker 2: Least attempting to kind of you know, usher this in
Speaker 2: and in more ways, wasn't he Oh, yes, and and
Speaker 2: uh and and the Green Order themselves And during this
Speaker 2: this this time specifically, they had they had made this,
Speaker 2: this proclamation that it is indispensable to unite all the
Speaker 2: Polar and Solar forces before the Age of Aquarius and
Speaker 2: the New Man. The superman must be ready to take
Speaker 2: the destiny of humanity into his own hands, because when
Speaker 2: the most critical moment of the Black Age comes, there
Speaker 2: will be only one people left to carry the flame
Speaker 2: us an aryan order of chivalry must be created, and
Speaker 2: an elite of superiors must be formed who hold the
Speaker 2: secrets possessed by our ancestors in the Polar Empire. And
Speaker 2: this Julian Arriguez that I keep mentioning, who's directly tied
Speaker 2: in with Dimambro and Gladiol. He happened to be well
Speaker 2: known in these far right circles in the seventies and
Speaker 2: had connections with this neo fascist movement in Italy. And
Speaker 2: so it's Gladiold instantly, because in addition to the Green Order,
Speaker 2: Origas happened to be a member of By the way,
Speaker 2: he also was a member of the International Luciferian Luciferian Right,
Speaker 2: which is just Luciferian International and the Center Templar de Tutis,
Speaker 2: I think is how you pronounce it. But it's historique
Speaker 2: philosophique at esulterik, right, which is just basically how it
Speaker 2: was pronounced it. As far as the organization in this, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's interesting though, because the grand master
Speaker 2: of this Swiss branch of the O s MTJ right
Speaker 2: O s MTJ, if you don't know, it's his Sovereign
Speaker 2: Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem, which is interesting
Speaker 2: considering Joseph de Membrose connection to israel I also did
Speaker 2: find important. But you had these essentially you had members
Speaker 2: that of this the Usafarian Internationale, who were trafficking weapons
Speaker 2: in connection with P two that was headed by Lucio
Speaker 2: Gelli at the time, and this he was utilizing Julian
Speaker 2: Orrigaz for much of these covert operations, and so that
Speaker 2: you had all these raids carried outs right by Italian
Speaker 2: authorities at Lucio Gelli's place and everything. But and it
Speaker 2: inevitably connected back to the OSMTJ and the formation of
Speaker 2: these strange Masonic allies and right, but the smoking gun
Speaker 2: comes in the form of in nineteen eighty one right
Speaker 2: Origas becomes acquainted with Luke Giorre, Belgium ex military official
Speaker 2: with ties to Gladio Right.
Speaker 1: So that is Origas who Jorre.
Speaker 2: Was also happened to be a friend of this Italian
Speaker 2: fascist linked to Gladio by the name of Claudio Mouti.
Speaker 2: Mouti follower of Franco Freda, one of the leading neo
Speaker 2: Nazi and neo fascist intellectuals of the postwar Italian far right.
Speaker 2: Freda belonged to the MSI, which was a neo fascist
Speaker 2: political party in the Italian social movement, and he began
Speaker 2: to criticize its leadership and as far as saying that
Speaker 2: it was taking on this Nazi maoist inclination. But it
Speaker 2: turns out that you have this strange, you know, group
Speaker 2: of r right ar based on the philosophy of Julius
Speaker 2: Evola and managed this far right library. Freda described himself
Speaker 2: apparently as an admirer of Hitler, and he participated in
Speaker 2: the activities of the Ordine Nuovo and was convicted later
Speaker 2: acquitted even for lack of evidence, for involvement in the
Speaker 2: Piazza Fontana bombing. So clearly we're talking about that paramilitary
Speaker 2: underground that I had referenced earlier with the wacken Hut
Speaker 2: connections to all of this, and so the the final
Speaker 2: point point here is that from a very young age
Speaker 2: Muti himself which again is is Claudio Muti directly linked
Speaker 2: as an Italian fascist to Gladio friends with Jiorre and
Speaker 2: and it turns out that Muti he joined the MSI,
Speaker 2: but was expelled and then joined the Greek member John
Speaker 2: Francois Thury Art's Young Europe gr ECE also known as
Speaker 2: the Research and Study Group of European Civilization. Thirty Art,
Speaker 2: together with Joorrey and Joseph de Mambro, members of Amoork
Speaker 2: associate associated with Jacques Bryer, had helped organize a split
Speaker 2: in the Communist Party of Belgium in the nineteen seventies,
Speaker 2: creating the party UH, this Nazi mauise party that was
Speaker 2: it was basically called the PCE and UH and and
Speaker 2: so this party was which succeeded to be basically this
Speaker 2: this juin Jewan Europe, I believe is how you pronounced it.
Speaker 1: But Young Europe is what it was really what all that.
Speaker 2: It referenced, right, the that's all it translates to and
Speaker 2: and this is a neo fascist euro nationalist movement formed
Speaker 2: by John Jean Thury Art in Belgium. And this group
Speaker 2: was allegedly controlled by the SDR A eight, which is
Speaker 2: a branch of Belgium's Gladio. So that is where the
Speaker 2: direct connection to Luke Jerra comes in into play, Claudio Muti,
Speaker 2: Julian Arriguez, and that all brings in the scope of
Speaker 2: the international Luciferian Green Order.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's fascinating stuff.
Speaker 2: But I think that's really just the crux of the
Speaker 2: point that I wanted to make was that it goes
Speaker 2: so deep into the levels of connections to the Gladio
Speaker 2: operation at the time. Uh, the strategy of tension obviously,
Speaker 2: the the what they were really trying to do is
Speaker 2: create an environment of destabilization, right more than anything. So
Speaker 2: it's just a fascinating thing to me. And I think
Speaker 2: that Gladio never ended either, right, I mean, it comes,
Speaker 2: it resurfaces in full force in terms of the Omar
Speaker 2: Matine Pulse night club shooting. Even I couldn't believe he
Speaker 2: was a security guard for G four S Secure Solutions,
Speaker 2: which just so happened to be the renamed version of
Speaker 2: the wacken Hut Security Organization, which was directly tied in
Speaker 2: as a CIA front to stage GLADIO operations in the
Speaker 2: strategy of tension.
Speaker 1: So I no, and I know that was a lot
Speaker 1: of names, and I apologize, but.
Speaker 2: I do think it's very important to at the least
Speaker 2: kind of trace this record of GLADIO connections, at least,
Speaker 2: you know, at some surface level, just to to kind
Speaker 2: of reinforce the re that this was definitely an intelligence operation.
Speaker 1: Right. So that's my sure, and.
Speaker 3: That's why we see the connections right with like pat
Speaker 3: Con and stuff like that. I think that's the one
Speaker 3: of the biggest key points to take away from all
Speaker 3: this conversation is the Gladia never ended. It's still going on,
Speaker 3: and we see it right there. We see it with
Speaker 3: what I call Idaho Contra. In my opinion, I've seen
Speaker 3: a lot of different things, right, but you know, we
Speaker 3: see it with these comparisons to pat Con and that
Speaker 3: quote from Heidi earlier that we were talking about with
Speaker 3: the the you know they were talking about, you know,
Speaker 3: the branch Davidians beat them to the punch. Folks can
Speaker 3: check that that quote out from a book that compares
Speaker 3: these cults, you know, the Branch Davidians and everything else.
Speaker 3: And it's called Apocalypse Observed Religious Movements and Violence in
Speaker 3: North America, Europe and Japan. So they do a direct
Speaker 3: comparative analysis in that book. And I would like to
Speaker 3: note that the author of that book, a Philip Daniel Schuler,
Speaker 3: is a van Rensseloar Schuler, direct paternal descendant of Colonel
Speaker 3: Shulder of the New Jersey chapter of the Society of
Speaker 3: the Cincinnati I'm not saying he's a member.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, he's certainly in the mix.
Speaker 7: So JJ, does that mean you're amending your rating because
Speaker 7: you gave them zero jockstraps.
Speaker 3: I'm amend my rating to negative five jockstraps because they're friends.
Speaker 10: Come on.
Speaker 1: The other French and I'll give them negative ten. Watch well.
Speaker 6: I did also want to say somebody in the comments
Speaker 6: section said that they appreciate my dark sense of humor
Speaker 6: and thank you, because.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate your darkness review.
Speaker 7: Thank you, guys.
Speaker 6: I mean I feel like, yeah, this is horrible, a
Speaker 6: lot of people burned up and died, but I mean
Speaker 6: everything is also at the same time open for being
Speaker 6: a joke.
Speaker 3: Well, if you can't, we all got to continue life
Speaker 3: as it is. And if you can't make a joke
Speaker 3: about it, what what what?
Speaker 4: We definitely and we got more to do, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can say that this this was very informative.
Speaker 6: Even after looking into the Solar temple myself, what I
Speaker 6: would consider to be a pretty good deep dive, you
Speaker 6: uh surpassed me and a lot of the things that
Speaker 6: that I was looking into. Yeah, Austin green job, barn
Speaker 6: burner as that.
Speaker 3: The hell of a barn burner right there, and discourse
Speaker 3: for sure, the barn not the.
Speaker 4: Barn, I mean house.
Speaker 10: One.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 8: The podcast has a house burner that I made, Oh.
Speaker 1: My god, very fritting. Yeah, yeah, and literally but.
Speaker 2: I forgot most of these details because it's been quite
Speaker 2: a while since I did my my deep dive into it,
Speaker 2: and uh, just coming out the other end of this
Speaker 2: Atlanta case, like my mind is oversaturated with those details
Speaker 2: of that case obviously at this moment, and so I
Speaker 2: would have preferred to have done a little bit more
Speaker 2: of prep get back affiliated with the.
Speaker 1: Good job, thank you. Yes, I definitely would have remembered
Speaker 1: more of these details. I don't know how that's possible, sir.
Speaker 5: I think we derailed you, and it would have been
Speaker 5: as much as now.
Speaker 6: He did amazingly better than ancient aliens. So if you
Speaker 6: can at least.
Speaker 2: Do better, friends alone, oh my god. But the only
Speaker 2: thing I have left to say really is just that
Speaker 2: what Alex Constantine said, you know, in his archived version
Speaker 2: of like his story of of the ots and kind
Speaker 2: of the bridging of he kind of made a lot
Speaker 2: of these Gladiol connections, and and uh very much I
Speaker 2: appreciated him reinforcing a lot of the details in certain ways,
Speaker 2: and and what he had said, basically the way he
Speaker 2: ended his piece, I found this to be so poignant,
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of this case. And it's kind
Speaker 2: of what I mentioned earlier as far as just what
Speaker 2: he suggests, obviously, is that the combination of international arms
Speaker 2: smuggling BCCI and BCCI presented a familiar enough picture of
Speaker 2: cia sedition. The Colt's connection to BCCI, reported in Europe
Speaker 2: but filtered from American newspaper accounts, fed speculation among Canadian
Speaker 2: journalists that followers of De Maambro and Jeorret were killed
Speaker 2: to bury public disclosures.
Speaker 1: Of gun running and money laundering.
Speaker 2: But the fraternizing of America's national security elite and the
Speaker 2: colts did not begin in Sharise, Switzerland. The Order of
Speaker 2: the Solar Temple was but the latest incarnation of mind
Speaker 2: control operations organized and overseen by the CIA and the
Speaker 2: Department of Defense. I just thought that was beautiful, because.
Speaker 7: It is sure, for sure, very vor wait to sum
Speaker 7: it up.
Speaker 2: Right, I just think it's it's too often the case,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, with many of these scandals, right, but
Speaker 2: I was thoroughly convinced that this this this was a
Speaker 2: a very sophisticated cover up, you know, and it's it's unfortunate,
Speaker 2: but it tends to be.
Speaker 6: The sophisticated yet sloppy and ongoing. Right, Yeah, sophisticated yet
Speaker 6: you know. But it's it's right up there. And like
Speaker 6: I said, you did a great job. I learned a lot.
Speaker 7: And I'm sure, I'm sure.
Speaker 6: I can't I mean, I can't speak for Nick, but
Speaker 6: I mean I think he dug into some ship that
Speaker 6: I was not even aware of.
Speaker 8: That's why I said and said it covering on myself.
Speaker 8: I'll just have him come on.
Speaker 1: So thank you Nick.
Speaker 3: By the way, I really appreciate you brother, you as well,
Speaker 3: and Julia Heidi, like, it's really nice to be you
Speaker 3: guys officially, Like I've known of you guys for for
Speaker 3: quite a while.
Speaker 1: But uh, I.
Speaker 2: Was looking forward to this because I was hoping once again,
Speaker 2: like the more the more interaction I can have with
Speaker 2: like minded people like yourselves, Like, I'm so grateful for this,
Speaker 2: Like it's, you know, something that gives me purpose, man,
Speaker 2: you know, and that's very in this moment in time.
Speaker 2: I'm everyone should be desperate for this, and I think
Speaker 2: that most people are there's and this is the reason
Speaker 2: why they're subconsciously acting out in many ways, right because
Speaker 2: they might not be entirely aware of this. But yeah, anyway,
Speaker 2: I just want to say thank you to all of
Speaker 2: you guys, and I appreciate you guys, you know, for
Speaker 2: for giving me this opportunity.
Speaker 1: Of course.
Speaker 3: Man, yes, sir, your time, I mean you brought. I
Speaker 3: got a couple of tabs open it every time we talk.
Speaker 3: I listened to your all share. Other day, I got
Speaker 3: a couple of tabs open here to check out. So
Speaker 3: I'm definitely looking forward to our conversation here in the future.
Speaker 6: I love meeting new conspiracy friends. Should I met my
Speaker 6: husband conspiracy podcasting?
Speaker 7: Thanks Nick, Next.
Speaker 3: The matchmaker room for you, And.
Speaker 6: I mean, I mean you never you never know who
Speaker 6: you're gonna meet. And honestly, I just wanted to say
Speaker 6: to your point, it's great to be able to connect
Speaker 6: with people on on you know that are on the
Speaker 6: same page.
Speaker 7: So yeah, I love the conversation today.
Speaker 4: It was great, man again, but.
Speaker 5: Love it.
Speaker 8: Thank you so much.
Speaker 9: Yeah, j all right, Julia, you want to let everybody
Speaker 9: know what I know.
Speaker 8: You want to try. You want to try real quick,
Speaker 8: just to let everybody know where they can find.
Speaker 7: You, cosmic peach. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, great, great conversation, Austin, I appy sure your time, sir,
Speaker 3: h JJ vance Operation g c D not the Vice
Speaker 3: President got Fridays tonight with Phil's ze. That'll be an epic,
Speaker 3: farm burning kind of conversation right there. And Julia, I
Speaker 3: hope you bring your dark humor to the review of
Speaker 3: ghost Story next Wednesday night and Operation GCD live.
Speaker 7: You can count on it.
Speaker 3: You can count you always appreciate the time, man, and
Speaker 3: look forward to our occult esoteric review of So I
Speaker 3: Married an Axe Murder, one of my favorite films that's
Speaker 3: come up in two weeks in Operation GCD Live Nice, Nice,
Speaker 3: and then Operation GCD Sundays. This weekend here, I got
Speaker 3: to a pm E at Easter standard times or daylight times,
Speaker 3: whatever the fuck that means. I don't know the difference.
Speaker 3: The uh it's gonna be uh. That's the legends of
Speaker 3: Nathaniel Barr Jonah. And that's the homicidal Kednitlan cannibalistic psychopathic
Speaker 3: serial killer whom I came face to face with in
Speaker 3: two thousand and one in Great Falls, Montana and may
Speaker 3: or may not who may or may not have.
Speaker 1: Served me human meat burgers at the parties.
Speaker 7: Of the job man, human eye.
Speaker 3: A lot of comparisons around the cold activity surrounding this
Speaker 3: man in Great Falls, Montana to the Sun of sam
Speaker 3: process activity in mind No, North Dakota, because the two
Speaker 3: cities are very similar, with the same Air Force bases
Speaker 3: in the same missions in both locations.
Speaker 1: So Detective James.
Speaker 7: And mine never go to Hardy.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, he's a legendary there. Any I'm a big friend
Speaker 3: of his research and work and what he's accomplished there, and.
Speaker 1: Any boots Man, he makes me cry.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm not even playing like reading reading anyway, I
Speaker 2: won't get into it, but thank you guys, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Go ahead and keep going. Sorry, I appreciate everyone.
Speaker 10: Si.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to throw on some plugs there for
Speaker 3: any because again, I appreciate everyone's time. And I got
Speaker 3: some some good shows with your cult rejects coming up,
Speaker 3: and Nick obviously will be there as well in.
Speaker 1: A couple of those at least.
Speaker 8: Okay and Heidi next, let us go on.
Speaker 5: I am Heidelve on Filtered Rice podcast Everywhere. Podcasts are
Speaker 5: served on filtered Rise podcast dot com and that's where
Speaker 5: you can find me. Thank you so much Austin for
Speaker 5: your presentation, and to all of the occult rejects and Boss,
Speaker 5: thanks a lot. Yeah yeah, the organizer A that's enough,
Speaker 5: it's a lot.
Speaker 8: Uh said. Please let everybody please let everybody know they
Speaker 8: music brother.
Speaker 2: Man again, Nick, thank you, brother, I appreciate you having
Speaker 2: me on for this and and uh yeah, I uh
Speaker 2: really The Underclass Podcast obviously is my my show, and
Speaker 2: and I have a show every Tuesday night at nine
Speaker 2: thirty Eastern time with jose galisong from Noway jose and
Speaker 2: it's it's a good time. It's called already dead, and
Speaker 2: uh yeah, we basically skitz so out for a good
Speaker 2: forty five and then do like a live interaction with
Speaker 2: with patrons or or call in as well at that point.
Speaker 2: But it's it's a good time and and also the
Speaker 2: best place to support me is definitely my Patreon. I
Speaker 2: have some incentives in place, at least one of them
Speaker 2: being at even at the three dollars level, like you
Speaker 2: can get my Paywalt show called whatever this is with
Speaker 2: with Brad Bankley and Sam Tripley, which is a lot
Speaker 2: of fun. And and beyond that, man, oh yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess I should say. I'm going to uh the Bohemian
Speaker 2: Grove event next week so in Florida, so that'll be
Speaker 2: a lot of fun. Hopefully some of the other rejects
Speaker 2: might be there.
Speaker 1: But but either way, I heard some cancelation around.
Speaker 2: Dramatic At the very least, I got nothing belove for
Speaker 2: everybody involved, you know, and and I think that you
Speaker 2: know it, things hopefully will will at the very least,
Speaker 2: hopefully we'll we'll see some sort of.
Speaker 3: I don't know, just just awa, yeah, well what differences aside?
Speaker 3: I mean, it sounds like you guys are able to
Speaker 3: get it together still there exactly, it's still happen. Seems
Speaker 3: to be the most important part.
Speaker 2: Had to change venues, but it is still happening, and
Speaker 2: I know Owen and Sam will still be there to perform.
Speaker 2: I know Shane Cashman is going to be the m
Speaker 2: c uh.
Speaker 1: And then I.
Speaker 2: Talked to I talked to Jake, Jake's producer last night,
Speaker 2: actually Jake Shields, and he just hit me up and
Speaker 2: was like, for sure they're coming. So that'll that'll be
Speaker 2: fun at least, like, well, we'll actually have some legitimate
Speaker 2: personalities there to to.
Speaker 1: I think it's you're showing up. You mean.
Speaker 3: You said about I mean, it all sounds like quite
Speaker 3: a lineup, But I mean I was about to say,
Speaker 3: as far as any kind of research goes or ground
Speaker 3: breaking information, I don't know if any of those fellas
Speaker 3: are beating you their search.
Speaker 2: But I will say, uh, it'll be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: I think as a networking opportunity alone, like just to
Speaker 2: kind of get to meet personally and in physical form
Speaker 2: some some of the homies will be really ice and
Speaker 2: and uh and beyond that, man stand on principle right,
Speaker 2: like just to be able to pursue the First Amendment,
Speaker 2: you know, just in this fashion, I think, especially in
Speaker 2: this moment right where there are so many various justifications
Speaker 2: to infringe upon the First Amendment, Like we got to
Speaker 2: stay in tall with these you know, with these principle you.
Speaker 1: Ain't getting values, you ain't kidding.
Speaker 6: Conspiracy, postcasting, it's ten jock straps.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm done. Thank you guys. I appreciate you all.
Speaker 8: Yeah, definitely check out that live show.
Speaker 9: He does I know, uh, JJ and Headless has jumped
Speaker 9: on recently.
Speaker 3: Already tune in. I usually I'm usually typing around those hours.
Speaker 3: I tune in and listening a lot. But I did
Speaker 3: I hear you all say something. I'm like, I gotta
Speaker 3: go to comment on that one.
Speaker 1: That's a good yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So I definitely go check out that lot. I
Speaker 8: was glad that you mentioned it because if he didn't,
Speaker 8: I was gonna bring that up. Uh.
Speaker 9: Thank you all again for coming on, Julia, JJ, Heidi,
Speaker 9: that's what's up.
Speaker 8: I love it. I really appreciate you guys being here.
Speaker 9: Austin. Thank you so much. Man again, don't worry about rescheduling.
Speaker 9: It worked out the way it was supposed to. So
Speaker 9: there we go. And that is the end of another
Speaker 9: occult rejects and thank you everybody in the chat.
Speaker 8: That's what's up. We'll see you again later on.
Speaker 9: Tonight and that is the end of another cult rejects
Speaker 9: until the next one.
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